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"Poll question: The OFFICIAL one year out Dem primary poll and election post"


  

          

That other post is too damn long.
Have things changed?

Poll result (59 votes)
Joe Biden (3 votes)Vote
Bernie Sanders (21 votes)Vote
Elizabeth Warren (25 votes)Vote
Kamala Harris (5 votes)Vote
Pete Buttigieg (4 votes)Vote
Other (1 votes)Vote

  

  

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Battleground poll numbers: Trump pretty strong in states that matter
Nov 04th 2019
1
this should be pretty sobering for democrats.
Nov 04th 2019
2
even if you accept this? Mayo Pete and Weekend at Bidens
Nov 06th 2019
24
      This is why it will be Biden
Nov 06th 2019
27
Warren is looking weaker and weaker in a general v. Trump
Nov 04th 2019
9
      RE: Warren is looking weaker and weaker in a general v. Trump
Nov 06th 2019
22
im still warren but would definitely vote for bernie too
Nov 04th 2019
3
Bernie
Nov 04th 2019
4
Bernie or Kloubochar (even though they're not alike)
Nov 04th 2019
5
lol Guess we're just being nice by including Kamala on this?
Nov 04th 2019
6
Pretend it's Tulsi and toss her a vote.
Nov 04th 2019
7
Being that Tulsi has outperformed "top-tier" Kamala - why not.
Nov 04th 2019
8
      According to who ?
Nov 04th 2019
10
           There have been recent polls (like the Suffolk poll)
Nov 04th 2019
12
           Word fair enough - that makes sense.
Nov 04th 2019
13
           vex be on some trump white house lawn shit lol.
Nov 04th 2019
14
                Hahah yea this was hilarious:
Nov 04th 2019
15
                she got some pop in literally *1* poll after the clinton beef
Nov 04th 2019
16
                According to you Tulsi would've been ousted like a dozen others
Nov 04th 2019
18
                     beto dropped out and is still polling higher than tulsi lol.
Nov 04th 2019
19
                          Hahahahaha
Nov 04th 2019
20
                          I wont even type her name, non-factor
Nov 04th 2019
21
Just copied the last poll. But it real should just be 4 plus the others
Nov 04th 2019
11
might be the best bernie endorsement so far:
Nov 04th 2019
17
Pressley endorses Warren
Nov 06th 2019
23
the most impressive member of the squad
Nov 06th 2019
28
Warren will get the nod but lose the general.
Nov 06th 2019
25
Listened to this yesterday and it made my wife change on Warren
Nov 06th 2019
26
this poll from a while ago says it all:
Nov 06th 2019
29
      Scary times. Like I been saying..
Nov 06th 2019
30
      Damn 34 perecent
Nov 06th 2019
31
      thats better than hrc. and she won the popular vote by 3 mil.
Nov 06th 2019
34
      Democrats used to be the party of working class/poor whites
Nov 06th 2019
32
      youre leaving out a ton of historical context
Nov 06th 2019
33
           rare instance of where we agree:
Nov 06th 2019
35
                i dont think anyone here is under this impression lol
Nov 06th 2019
39
      damn...
Nov 06th 2019
36
           i never even thought about it in this way.
Nov 06th 2019
38
           well, this segment of the electorate considers Warren a socialist too
Nov 06th 2019
40
                Right, which further makes the point
Nov 06th 2019
41
                     RE: Right, which further makes the point
Nov 06th 2019
46
                          RE: Right, which further makes the point
Nov 06th 2019
51
who was it on here that said mayor pete might pull that upset in iowa?
Nov 06th 2019
37
RE: who was it on here that said mayor pete might pull that upset in iow...
Nov 06th 2019
42
Meh SC will take care of him
Nov 06th 2019
45
Gabbard & Klobuchar meet thresholds for November debates
Nov 06th 2019
43
Damn
Nov 06th 2019
44
LOL right. Just saw a headline in my iPhone news aggregate ...
Nov 06th 2019
52
      Jennifer Rubin loves Kamala - praised her again recently.
Nov 06th 2019
53
      I generally don't.
Nov 07th 2019
57
      Exactly
Nov 06th 2019
54
           Yes it's bad.
Nov 07th 2019
58
                RE: Yes it's bad.
Nov 07th 2019
71
klobuchar had already qualified for nov, she now qualified for dec
Nov 06th 2019
47
Why is there a monthly debate?
Nov 06th 2019
49
      smh people will complain about anything.
Nov 07th 2019
61
           That was me, and kfine set me straight lol.
Nov 07th 2019
80
           lol i aint even see that.
Nov 08th 2019
87
                Yea it was. And I fell into the trap.
Nov 08th 2019
93
                     lol
Nov 08th 2019
107
           You ain’t gotta lie (c)
Nov 08th 2019
97
29 votes and ain't nann votes for Biden? Who are these pollsters calling...
Nov 06th 2019
48
based on previous results he will get 2 votes in this poll
Nov 06th 2019
50
Haha.. I will vote for Warren or Bernie in the primary
Nov 06th 2019
55
Interesting that Bernie is doing a lot better in this poll than the firs...
Nov 06th 2019
56
i think Warren would be a more effective president than Bernie
Nov 07th 2019
59
      bernie is running on stuff a lot of dems would lose their seat over.
Nov 07th 2019
60
medicare4all has been taking a beating now that its getting scrutinized.
Nov 07th 2019
62
so they support infrastructure investment?
Nov 07th 2019
63
everybody supports infrastructure investment.
Nov 07th 2019
65
btw i think warren releasing her plan for m4a might have been
Nov 07th 2019
64
      she must really believe strongly in M4A
Nov 07th 2019
74
      maybe but she was clearly waffling during the campaign.
Nov 08th 2019
91
      She was damned if she did damned if she didn't tho.
Nov 07th 2019
79
           I wouldn't be mad, heck I even hope, she pivots to public option at conv...
Nov 08th 2019
100
michael bloomberg is running.
Nov 07th 2019
66
Lol oh lord. What's your guess on the strategy here? Why Alabama??
Nov 07th 2019
69
i would guess albama is just because of the deadline
Nov 07th 2019
72
right. These egos man...
Nov 07th 2019
75
LOL! Your pettiness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Nov 07th 2019
76
Ah. Good point lol. Don't know why I didn't check that
Nov 07th 2019
77
i really have no idea what he is doing.
Nov 07th 2019
73
      lol, right. a little Boomer psychology sprinkled in there too, I'm sure
Nov 07th 2019
78
      you and this boomer psychology lol.
Nov 08th 2019
85
      tin foil hat time? He's prepping a 3rd party run just in case
Nov 08th 2019
127
I literally said
Nov 07th 2019
70
I went with "Oh fuck off." on the e-mail chain I'm on
Nov 07th 2019
81
      lol yep
Nov 08th 2019
125
someone has to look out for the rich!
Nov 08th 2019
90
tom steyer aide caught offering paid endorsement scheme.
Nov 07th 2019
67
and this was after another steyer aide was caught stealing data
Nov 07th 2019
68
LOL I'm dying.
Nov 07th 2019
82
tulsi gabbard does new interview with progressive outlet breitbart.
Nov 07th 2019
83
VEXXXXX come get your girl.
Nov 07th 2019
84
LOL
Nov 08th 2019
86
"Hillary made her do it" - Captain Clown Shoes
Nov 08th 2019
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We gonna do this every time?
Nov 08th 2019
92
      Damn you are straight up shameless.
Nov 08th 2019
94
      RE: Damn you are straight up shameless.
Nov 08th 2019
96
           Multiple people, including myself, have tried to help you.
Nov 08th 2019
99
                Lol y’all ok?
Nov 08th 2019
119
                     That was adorable.
Nov 08th 2019
120
      this is pretty pathetic. no punchline.
Nov 08th 2019
105
           And worse - she's not challenging them on *anything*.
Nov 08th 2019
108
           according to vex its all part of a brilliant campaign strategy
Nov 08th 2019
113
                Hahaha exactly. That may be the most hilarious argument he made ...
Nov 08th 2019
117
           When people tell you who they are, believe them
Nov 08th 2019
115
           Actually - you make a good point
Nov 08th 2019
121
Eric Holder might get in
Nov 08th 2019
88
turning into a royal rumble
Nov 08th 2019
98
lol
Nov 08th 2019
102
jesus I thought those articles were bullshit
Nov 08th 2019
124
Kamala's numbers tumble as she calls for longer school days
Nov 08th 2019
95
It's interesting that you keep calling him out for this ...
Nov 08th 2019
101
He caped the hardest for HRC
Nov 08th 2019
103
^ the only person on OKP worse than Vex at talking in circles.
Nov 08th 2019
106
      i just be standing to the side watching dude argue with himself lol.
Nov 08th 2019
109
      Hahah smart move.
Nov 08th 2019
111
      dude *still* tryna get my attention like a sidechick scorned lol.
Nov 08th 2019
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           LOLOL I'm dying.
Nov 08th 2019
116
                lol poor kid.
Nov 08th 2019
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      ^^^ endorses Taylor Swift as a political strategist
Nov 08th 2019
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      Didn’t think you’d address the content of my post
Nov 08th 2019
110
           Let them cook w/ the #NeverBernie posturing
Nov 09th 2019
138
                RE: Let them cook w/ the #NeverBernie posturing
Nov 10th 2019
139
vex keeps bringing up kamala like im supposed to be hurt lol.
Nov 08th 2019
104
      RE: vex keeps bringing up kamala like im supposed to be hurt lol.
Nov 08th 2019
123
      Kamala the strongest candidate in the field
Nov 08th 2019
126
           how'd you vote five times though, man?
Nov 11th 2019
151
ah okay. You think everything is an agenda
Nov 08th 2019
122
Typical negative confirmation bias, why didnt you share this?
Nov 08th 2019
128
      The pushback on this was kinda wild
Nov 11th 2019
150
           The author of the vice version is Anti Black AF
Nov 12th 2019
160
                Stormfront is all-in on Gabbard.
Nov 12th 2019
161
Real talk: I would not be surprised to see Clinton jump into the race
Nov 08th 2019
129
Bloomberg is
Nov 08th 2019
130
The Stop and Frisk campaign what could go wrong?
Nov 08th 2019
133
Bloomberg will get CRUSHED...
Nov 08th 2019
134
      I'm not super confident this'll happen either tho lol.
Nov 08th 2019
135
lol she wont
Nov 08th 2019
131
Lmao.. that ain’t happening.
Nov 08th 2019
132
      Her betting odds are increasing lol. Never say never
Nov 08th 2019
136
           I think she is tired of being embarrassed
Nov 10th 2019
140
Bernie & AOC host largest Iowa rally of the primary season
Nov 09th 2019
137
WATCH: 2019 Presidential Forum on Environmental Justice
Nov 10th 2019
141
A specter is haunting, uh, the Americas?
Nov 10th 2019
142
Warren: "I'm just a player in the game"
Nov 11th 2019
143
^^^ seen
Nov 11th 2019
145
eh.. those clips are something for people who want them to be something
Nov 11th 2019
146
      Cool - doesn't have to be a "thing" for you necessarily.
Nov 11th 2019
147
Great interview with activist Philip Agnew on the Bernie movement
Nov 11th 2019
144
thanks for posting! my homie is a poc surrogate for sanders too.
Nov 11th 2019
148
this is a good read
Nov 11th 2019
149
Great read. Bernard's support base is truly intersectional
Nov 11th 2019
152
Meh
Nov 12th 2019
154
Another moderate seeing an opening. Deval Patrick considering
Nov 11th 2019
153
new iowa poll: buttigieg: 22% | biden: 19% | warren: 18% | sanders: 13%
Nov 12th 2019
155
14 point jump??
Nov 12th 2019
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I don't know about that
Nov 12th 2019
158
medicare for all likely dead. 3 dems wont nuke the filibuster.
Nov 12th 2019
157
at the very least it is going to be a question
Nov 12th 2019
159
ah yes
Nov 14th 2019
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      would you rather them hand over their 3 senate seats to repubs
Nov 14th 2019
183
Clinton: "never say never"
Nov 13th 2019
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It's ridicuolous how they make big stories out of everything she says.
Nov 14th 2019
166
the Democrats are expending more resources not to go further left
Nov 14th 2019
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It's maddening.
Nov 14th 2019
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It really is infuriating. Dems, man
Nov 14th 2019
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      Yea it's wild. To steal a sports cliche they're playing not to lose.
Nov 14th 2019
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      Most Dems are moderate
Nov 14th 2019
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      Yea, progress is stupid.
Nov 14th 2019
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      RE: Most Dems are moderate
Nov 14th 2019
187
      BINGO. I think this is it:
Nov 14th 2019
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           all great points
Nov 14th 2019
189
                RE:to work others would need to dropout -not as a delegate strategy tho.
Nov 14th 2019
196
billionaires eager to put in their two-cents
Nov 14th 2019
190
Bernie/Warren Ticket would win the election...I just don't see it occurr...
Nov 14th 2019
165
could be Warren/Bernie.. either way, it's a LOCK to win...
Nov 14th 2019
170
who could come in that would actually excite people?
Nov 14th 2019
168
Obama isn't walking through that door. 2016 Bernie isn't walking ...
Nov 14th 2019
169
for a lot of people its hard to get excited about a 70 y/o white person
Nov 14th 2019
171
basically
Nov 14th 2019
184
Only Michelle or Oprah (not being funny - that's the correct answer)
Nov 14th 2019
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      this is true.
Nov 14th 2019
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      Michelle is not running and I wouldn't want her to, that family has been...
Nov 14th 2019
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           The question was who would excite people, not who ought to run.
Nov 15th 2019
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                I agree with some of what you said....
Nov 15th 2019
219
candidates in 2018 who ran on medicare for all performed 5 points less
Nov 14th 2019
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warren/sanders running 10 points behind clinton with black voters
Nov 14th 2019
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      when people talk about the dangers of dems going 'too far left'
Nov 14th 2019
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           Not to mention, Patrick entering to compete against Warren is telling af...
Nov 14th 2019
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                hes prolly more likely to stop biden lol.
Nov 14th 2019
185
                     EXACTLY. I mean I had to laugh.. a billionaire and Bain Capital exec?
Nov 14th 2019
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                          it really comes off as complete panic.
Nov 14th 2019
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                               RE: it really comes off as complete panic.
Nov 14th 2019
191
                                    thats the confusing part.
Nov 14th 2019
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                                    Pete is not a serious candidate.
Nov 14th 2019
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                                         You're usually so much more fact-based than this,Strav. I'm disappointed
Nov 14th 2019
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                                         Ugh.
Nov 14th 2019
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                                              Damn.You really have me in here going to bat for dude. Alright let's go ...
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                   Good Christ, his father translated Gramsci
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                   And Harris's father was a prominent Marxist economist @ Stanford who
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        Yeah, I'd vote for either Harris/Buttigieg dad
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                             Lol.I'll leave this alone only because I don't actually know why he move...
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                  I can clear that right up
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                       LOL always a pleasure, Walleye.
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                            *points and nods*
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                   You are going hard for Pete
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        Mayor Pete to surprised endorsers: You didn't opt out
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        Damn lol
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        ok I did literally LOL at this. oh well tho. its not like they didn't
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        Yeah, it's mostly goofy campaign ineptitude
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        He should drop out right now.. What an asshole move..
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                        "Exposing" is an interesting word to use. Wouldnt be my choice lol
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                             "Exposing" is the correct choice, unless you see Pete through rose colo...
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                  LOL @ linking a bunch of TYT anti-Pete tabloid junk after I said miss me
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                       The whole SB police chief story is such a non-factor, speaks for itself.
Nov 15th 2019
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                                                                       you sound just like Trump... "FAKE NEWS!!!!"
Nov 18th 2019
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                                                                            LOL!nah.I just like my facts with as little commentary and spin possible
Nov 18th 2019
269
                                                                            Exactly
Nov 19th 2019
275
                                         When do you think he'll flame out?
Nov 15th 2019
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Been awhile since a legitimate scandal - Deval Patrick
Nov 14th 2019
194
Pass on Deval Patrick
Nov 14th 2019
197
Damn that's awful. Worst skeleton in the closet we've heard. He done.
Nov 15th 2019
215
Right? Rare to see a genuine disqualifier these days
Nov 15th 2019
217
horrible.
Nov 15th 2019
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damn
Nov 15th 2019
221
sheesh
Nov 15th 2019
229
deval patrick defends intervening in brother in laws sex offender case.
Nov 15th 2019
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      mind you...this is his *sister* being raped.
Nov 15th 2019
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warren endorses public option as transition into medicare for all.
Nov 15th 2019
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there would always be a transition
Nov 15th 2019
220
RE: there would always be a transition
Nov 15th 2019
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      Warren's plan would destroy the fight for single payer
Nov 15th 2019
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      Who the fuck is Carl Beijer and why should we listen to them
Nov 15th 2019
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      you guys are going to get Pete or Biden nominated
Nov 15th 2019
228
      Do you reply with macros? It's always the same thing :)
Nov 15th 2019
233
           Haha! Not a bad idea but I have yet to read/hear
Nov 15th 2019
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                RE: Haha! Not a bad idea but I have yet to read/hear
Nov 15th 2019
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      do we care about the fight or getting the victory?
Nov 15th 2019
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           RE: do we care about the fight or getting the victory?
Nov 15th 2019
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      can you help me understand the transition path in bernies plan?
Nov 15th 2019
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           RE: can you help me understand the transition path in bernies plan?
Nov 15th 2019
238
                so the concern with warrens plan compared to bernies is?
Nov 15th 2019
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                     RE: so the concern with warrens plan compared to bernies is?
Nov 15th 2019
240
not sure if the tweet has a link to her plan (cant see twitter)
Nov 15th 2019
232
The idea of going to M4A in 4 years was ludicrous, stupid and bad.
Nov 15th 2019
234
Chart comparing Warren's transition plan with Pete & Biden's plans
Nov 18th 2019
256
Obama: Average Americans aren't with all that CHANGE
Nov 16th 2019
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fam these new p booty iowa numbers:
Nov 17th 2019
246
Reuters/Ipsos: Sanders 19%; Biden 19%; Warren 13%; Pete 6%
Nov 17th 2019
247
Tulsi ... ?
Nov 18th 2019
252
      character limit on subject lines
Nov 18th 2019
254
      Who?????
Nov 18th 2019
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      doing way better than most thought she'd be doing at this stage
Nov 18th 2019
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           shes at 9% when you include *all parties*.
Nov 18th 2019
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                *massive smile emoji*
Nov 18th 2019
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                Maybe you’re unaware of how an open primary works
Nov 18th 2019
265
                     riiiiight.
Nov 18th 2019
266
                          VS closed Primary where only D's can vote?? FOH
Nov 18th 2019
268
                               silly of democrats to pick the leader of the democratic party.
Nov 18th 2019
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                                    You mean DNC officials and super delegates - but that’s ok.
Nov 18th 2019
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                                    the same superdelegates bernie wanted to overturn an election
Nov 18th 2019
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                                         Sure.
Nov 21st 2019
291
                                    So u think independents shouldn't have a say in elections?
Nov 19th 2019
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                                         youre really bad at this.
Nov 19th 2019
280
                                              Vex and My SP's responses remind me of the hearings LOL
Nov 19th 2019
282
                                                   lol perfect.
Nov 19th 2019
284
I don't believe this Pete shit
Nov 17th 2019
248
its almost exclusively in ia and nh right now.
Nov 17th 2019
249
and you shouldn't.
Nov 17th 2019
250
      He doesn't need to "win" SC tho.As long as candidates get more than 15%
Nov 18th 2019
251
           For sure. He's a great story, but he won't succeed in the long run.
Nov 18th 2019
259
is biden trying to tank now?
Nov 18th 2019
253
Could be either one of two things
Nov 18th 2019
257
Maybe he thinks Cornpop and the rest of the jets
Nov 19th 2019
286
How would US voters vote in a parliamentary system
Nov 18th 2019
260
parliamentary system would be an absolute disaster in the u.s.
Nov 18th 2019
264
      Right. Plus.. I view the 2 party thing in the US as more "cultural" than
Nov 18th 2019
267
           and if americans have a problem with the power/influence
Nov 18th 2019
270
the hill: Biden 30%, Sanders 18%, Warren 15%, Unsure 10%, Pete 7%
Nov 18th 2019
274
Which candidates will refuse to cooperate with fascism abroad?
Nov 19th 2019
276
Bernie is truly the world candidate
Nov 19th 2019
278
Mayor Pete getting good support in New Hampshire
Nov 19th 2019
279
this is crazy.
Nov 19th 2019
281
yeah the amount of rise in such a short time is odd
Nov 20th 2019
288
I'm struggling to figure out why
Nov 19th 2019
283
Yeah that was quick
Nov 19th 2019
285
Flavor of the month.
Nov 20th 2019
287
Having spent a ton of time on the ground in NH
Nov 21st 2019
290
Mayor Pete: habitual line stepper
Nov 21st 2019
292
Trump polling well in Wisconsin (re: election and impeachment)
Nov 20th 2019
289
no debate talk?
Nov 21st 2019
293
what is tulsis agenda other than attacking democrats?
Nov 21st 2019
294
im not sure lol
Nov 21st 2019
296
it's this. this has always been her focus before the beefing started
Nov 21st 2019
299
      exactly
Nov 21st 2019
301
      Exactlyyyy
Nov 21st 2019
328
you can't get enough of Tulsi
Nov 21st 2019
305
and i have no idea who pete buttigieg even is right now.
Nov 21st 2019
295
he is the biggest nosedive candidate I've seen in a minute.
Nov 21st 2019
297
Tried checking out his platform? lol that might help. Also,180s on what?
Nov 21st 2019
303
100%
Nov 21st 2019
329
      whaaaat fliiip flooops thoooo LOL. I keep asking.
Nov 21st 2019
331
           Haha yea this is all probly fair and I saw your post #303
Nov 21st 2019
332
                Lol! Fair enough. Although I thought about it some more after asking
Nov 22nd 2019
333
affordable housing
Nov 21st 2019
298
thoughts:
Nov 21st 2019
300
the are you high line was outright funny
Nov 21st 2019
302
lol it was hilarious. and this is how I feel about Warren too.
Nov 21st 2019
304
      many do have fleshed out platforms
Nov 21st 2019
306
           I hear ya.
Nov 21st 2019
314
fantastic post...nailed it
Nov 21st 2019
310
It was really hard to take Tulsi seriously on the white nationalism ques...
Nov 21st 2019
316
What's the "relationship" she had/has w/ Steve Bannon?
Nov 21st 2019
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      Wasn't she being considered for a spot in their admin or something??
Nov 21st 2019
320
           Coasting on this implication sucks real bad
Nov 21st 2019
321
                I don't conflate her appeal to them with her foreign policy stance tho.
Nov 21st 2019
323
                     That’s the thing: there is no association
Nov 21st 2019
324
                          Alright well, endorsements from Bannon and David Duke may not be
Nov 21st 2019
326
                          I’m just asking for minor fact checking
Nov 21st 2019
330
                          Your plea for folks to be grounded in reality
Nov 21st 2019
327
The "end regime-change wars" language is striking
Nov 21st 2019
322
      RE: The end regime-change wars” language is striking
Nov 21st 2019
325
MSBNC really tried to soft-serve up a moment for low-tier Kamala
Nov 21st 2019
307
Ya I agree unfortunately. Warren's quite weak on foreign policy. Or at
Nov 21st 2019
317
hrmm, i dont even know what it is
Nov 21st 2019
318
see, I ain't even mention her
Nov 25th 2019
344
First time in my adult life, I've stopped watching the Dem debates.
Nov 21st 2019
308
i dont know what needs to be done
Nov 21st 2019
311
I think it might have been Kamala's best debate so far. I rank her best.
Nov 21st 2019
309
ill check these out later
Nov 21st 2019
312
I do think Kamala has enough time to become a contender again.
Nov 21st 2019
313
Lol! Ya I honestly don't know what to expect with this race anymore
Nov 21st 2019
315
so according to petes healthcare memo i would pay more?
Nov 22nd 2019
334
      RE: so according to petes healthcare memo i would pay more?
Nov 22nd 2019
338
      4% for how long tho? There's a bunch of independent studies now
Nov 24th 2019
341
           RE: 4% for how long tho? There's a bunch of independent studies now
Nov 25th 2019
342
                Nah. I'm not missing anything lol. The math doesn't work out in Bernie's
Nov 25th 2019
347
                     You're forgetting the existing federal spending
Nov 26th 2019
352
                          No. You're conflating Federal Spending w/ NHE. They're not the same.
Nov 26th 2019
366
                               We're arguing from two disparate points
Nov 26th 2019
                                    There's only estimates of less spending if comparing NHE. Not Federal.
Nov 26th 2019
377
      8.5% of income is the CAP tho, so never "higher" but perhaps lower
Nov 24th 2019
340
           a few things
Nov 25th 2019
343
                Cool. And yes you have been lucky lol
Nov 25th 2019
348
                     i mean the world will end before we have to handle the deficit
Nov 26th 2019
350
if you seen one you seen em all
Nov 22nd 2019
335
      What's this ?
Nov 22nd 2019
336
           yeah lol shit was awkward
Nov 22nd 2019
337
                those seem to be Joe's standard non verbal reactions
Nov 22nd 2019
339
Medicare for all could be a huge pay raise to the middle class
Nov 25th 2019
345
Ds definitely need to reframe the topic
Nov 25th 2019
346
Pick a (good) running mate for a candidate you don't like
Nov 26th 2019
349
Biden and Stacey Abrams
Nov 26th 2019
351
is Stacey that progressive? How about Ayana?
Nov 26th 2019
355
      TBH, not sure how progressive she is so legit and the real deal to me.
Nov 26th 2019
356
Harris and Buttigieg
Nov 26th 2019
375
Pete Buttigieg Is a Lying MF
Nov 26th 2019
353
I was extremely frustrated that
Nov 26th 2019
370
Pete Buttigieg Called Me. Here's What Happened
Nov 26th 2019
378
      I can't stand how this guy writes
Nov 26th 2019
379
The Best Health Care System in the World: Which One Would You Pick?
Nov 26th 2019
354
question for Bernie supporters...this Politico article on Obama
Nov 26th 2019
357
i was reading that earlier
Nov 26th 2019
358
RE: question for Bernie supporters...this Politico article on Obama
Nov 26th 2019
359
RE: question for Bernie supporters...this Politico article on Obama
Nov 26th 2019
368
      RE: question for Bernie supporters...this Politico article on Obama
Nov 26th 2019
374
What's Obama going to do?
Nov 26th 2019
360
you don’t think Obama has pull?
Nov 26th 2019
363
      According to these articles, Obama is negative on everyone.
Nov 26th 2019
364
      I don't know about that
Nov 26th 2019
367
           If it ends up being a brokered convention I'm upping this post lol
Nov 26th 2019
371
      Right. The thing is..Obama, Clinton, Pelosi, Schumer etc they're all SDs
Nov 26th 2019
369
      Sounds democratic!
Nov 26th 2019
373
           Lol! And ya you raise important questions
Nov 26th 2019
376
      He couldn't get Clinton over the hump against a game show host
Nov 26th 2019
372
           lol fair but that was a general election
Nov 27th 2019
381
                It's hard to estimate him one way or the other
Nov 27th 2019
382
This was a clear hit-piece on Bernie
Nov 26th 2019
362
      RE: This was a clear hit-piece on Bernie
Nov 26th 2019
365
Vice Chair of NY Democratic Committee: Trump preferable to Tulsi
Nov 26th 2019
361
these recent polls are weird
Nov 27th 2019
380
Who is ahead in the Democratic primary race?
Nov 27th 2019
386
I’ve already mentally prepared myself for a Dem loss
Nov 27th 2019
383
lol
Nov 27th 2019
384
      Like I said... until he loses I’m good on that type of thinking
Nov 27th 2019
385
I blinked and missed the Kamala Harris Crash and Burn
Nov 30th 2019
387
her roasting Biden WAS her crash and burn
Dec 03rd 2019
391
      this is objectively false
Dec 03rd 2019
396
           nah, we just saw it different
Dec 03rd 2019
398
                but thats just not true
Dec 03rd 2019
401
                     politics is more than poll bumps
Dec 03rd 2019
409
                     You got most of it right
Dec 03rd 2019
411
                     In hind sight, I think seasoned vet is right on this one.
Dec 03rd 2019
413
WaPo: lobbyists helped craft lawmaker's anti-M4A op-eds
Dec 03rd 2019
388
Kamala's out...
Dec 03rd 2019
389
was about to post this
Dec 03rd 2019
390
right
Dec 03rd 2019
395
We've collectively decided to go with Biden
Dec 06th 2019
467
      seriously?
Dec 06th 2019
468
I liked her but her campaign left a lot to be desired...
Dec 03rd 2019
392
She seemed like she didn't care abt anything...besides getting elected
Dec 03rd 2019
394
"Top-tier" Kamala.
Dec 03rd 2019
393
Good. She played herself during the first debate going after Biden
Dec 03rd 2019
397
she was pandering to #ADOS like a dummy
Dec 03rd 2019
399
lmao
Dec 03rd 2019
406
Lmao
Dec 03rd 2019
408
I legit have never heard anyone mention ADOS in real life
Dec 03rd 2019
425
Pandering to #ados?!
Dec 04th 2019
433
lol
Dec 03rd 2019
405
Hahahaha
Dec 03rd 2019
429
lol what??
Dec 03rd 2019
421
Take Corey with ya bish!
Dec 03rd 2019
400
so now we're left with 70 year-old white people and racist Pete
Dec 03rd 2019
402
Pete aint in it, never was. #PeteBootyghey
Dec 03rd 2019
403
Go Bernie!
Dec 03rd 2019
410
      Tales From the Crypt
Dec 03rd 2019
419
but Pete can stay?
Dec 03rd 2019
423
      Yeah, he can stay with you.
Dec 03rd 2019
428
           lol what?
Dec 04th 2019
436
Bye. Don't let the door hit'cha.
Dec 03rd 2019
404
I blame her husband.
Dec 03rd 2019
407
https://twitter.com/shujaxhaider/status/1201927566753435649?s=19
Dec 03rd 2019
412
I knew that horrible staff, hired from Hillary's failed campaign...
Dec 03rd 2019
415
      Exactly - what a horrible idea to run a Hillary 2.0 campaign
Dec 03rd 2019
416
           Post #6
Dec 03rd 2019
417
           i guess the good news is that they will take down bloomberg next?
Dec 03rd 2019
418
           How do they keep getting jobs
Dec 03rd 2019
420
                Yeah, the Op-Ed should have been career suicide.
Dec 03rd 2019
422
                They run in the same circles and don't care about
Dec 03rd 2019
426
                It's not a political party
Dec 05th 2019
438
                     Hello, nail. Meet hammer.
Dec 05th 2019
441
PBS does a long update on all the candidates except one
Dec 03rd 2019
414
Was it Williamson?
Dec 03rd 2019
424
McKinsey to ICE: Have you tried *more* cruelty
Dec 03rd 2019
427
Holy fucking shit.
Dec 03rd 2019
430
Goodbye, Kamala.
Dec 03rd 2019
431
Don’t worry, Mr. President. I’ll see you at your trial.🔥🔥🔥
Dec 04th 2019
432
      Yea that was good. The first response to that tweet was almost better th...
Dec 04th 2019
435
Joe Biden's is DONE.. Roaches/Hairy Legs/Kids on lap???
Dec 04th 2019
434
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-A4VrEUyyI
Dec 05th 2019
442
biden dropped that hottest mixtape of the year.
Dec 05th 2019
437
didn't Hillary have something very similar?
Dec 05th 2019
443
      she did
Dec 05th 2019
445
I think this Biden clip sums up what's wrong with Dems.
Dec 05th 2019
439
did he say, "Look, fat.."
Dec 05th 2019
440
Yep
Dec 05th 2019
444
Thought I heard that too hahaha.
Dec 05th 2019
446
yeah I'm sure dude wasn't the only fat person in the room
Dec 05th 2019
448
And here’s “fat” calmly roasting Biden by
Dec 06th 2019
459
      ^^^ This should be the takeaway from that exchange
Dec 06th 2019
464
      yea, Trump made "grab em by the pussy" a non factor in fucking week
Dec 06th 2019
474
           he called "fat" too old to vote for him lol
Dec 06th 2019
476
CNN moron comes back and says "It's been a good week for Biden"
Dec 06th 2019
455
Hillary on Howard Stern: accuses Bernie of being a Russian prop lol
Dec 05th 2019
447
Oh no.
Dec 05th 2019
449
Worst part about all of this: It fractures Democratic cohesion
Dec 05th 2019
450
      Yea I wish she'd just stay out of it honestly.
Dec 06th 2019
451
           i never wanted to be one of those 'go away' folks
Dec 06th 2019
453
                With you 100%.
Dec 06th 2019
457
                stop sucking his dick
Dec 06th 2019
463
                     Whatever your (probably terrible) point is, it's being clouded ...
Dec 06th 2019
466
                          ‘playing as a team like repubs’ <— im with you 100%
Dec 06th 2019
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                               Damn you're an angry little elf. Get therapy.
Dec 06th 2019
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                                    thats EXACTLY how the Rupubs stick together you dumb fuck
Dec 06th 2019
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                                         You're very, very, very stupid - I'll leave you to cry and scream alone ...
Dec 06th 2019
482
                                              buy a Thesaurus hoe
Dec 06th 2019
483
                                                   You spelled "sorry I don't understand stuff" wrong.
Dec 07th 2019
485
                It is very odd
Dec 06th 2019
479
she needs to go on somewhere with this bullshit.
Dec 06th 2019
452
agreed 100% -- she is a MOTHERFUCKING LOSER.
Dec 07th 2019
488
at this point, i wish Trump DID lock her up...
Dec 06th 2019
454
i hope you're not being serious
Dec 06th 2019
465
Howard's probably still the goat of making people open up
Dec 06th 2019
456
apparently Monica questions were off limits...
Dec 06th 2019
458
      Thank you
Dec 06th 2019
460
Good for Hillary
Dec 06th 2019
462
I listened to almost all of it. didn't really see a big deal in much she...
Dec 07th 2019
490
      I actually thought the interview humanized her pretty effectively
Dec 08th 2019
492
           it's as unguarded as she's been
Dec 08th 2019
495
interesting that theres only 1 other vote
Dec 06th 2019
461
Trump's gonna get re-elected because the Dems don't have good candidates
Dec 06th 2019
471
All they need to do is get a handful of votes in Wisconsin, Penn, Michig...
Dec 06th 2019
472
Goig back to Clinton, one thing I wish she'd done was to play-up her roo...
Dec 06th 2019
481
      Trump's "everyman" appeal was never economic though
Dec 09th 2019
500
Trump pissed off too many ppl to get re-elected
Dec 06th 2019
477
goddamn this is crazy, i literally cannot call it.
Dec 06th 2019
473
Say what you want about Biden but this ad is fire
Dec 06th 2019
475
do you think this will work better in '20 than it did in '16?
Dec 06th 2019
478
7000 miners are losing their jobs per month under trump!
Dec 06th 2019
484
Buttigieg getting pushed on his McKinsey work
Dec 07th 2019
486
Excellent
Dec 07th 2019
487
https://media1.tenor.com/images/d57c419b86ecd577fa0b537701e1d4b1/tenor.g...
Dec 07th 2019
489
He could just tell us
Dec 08th 2019
494
He released a timeline and description of all he did there yesterday (sw...
Dec 07th 2019
491
Sure, nothing to see here
Dec 08th 2019
493
Lol. I'm starting to resent that I've become this de facto Pete defender
Dec 09th 2019
497
Here's one guy's guess on the MI health insurance provider
Dec 09th 2019
496
      So, question: Why is similar scrutiny not demanded for the candidate
Dec 09th 2019
498
           Tweets don't represent national opinion at all
Dec 09th 2019
499
           You busted me clearing a path for ... John Delaney
Dec 10th 2019
503
                Don't try to frame this stuff as vetting, Walleye. lol
Dec 11th 2019
510
                I'd be disappointed if I thought a candidate was holding back
Dec 11th 2019
511
                     Lol what is he concealing? He wrote a lengthy medium post under NDA
Dec 11th 2019
512
                          you see why i wanted to take a break from following candidates??
Dec 11th 2019
513
                               ^^^^ well said
Dec 11th 2019
514
                               I disagree entirely on Pete pushing Warren to cost M4A. Hers is the only
Dec 11th 2019
515
                                    is Pete your guy? I'm confused
Dec 11th 2019
516
                                    Lol! Yes you are confused :) 1st of all, I'm a woman. And I like a few
Dec 13th 2019
536
                                    how informed is the comparison though?
Dec 11th 2019
518
                                         Fair points.
Dec 13th 2019
525
                                              a couple of things
Dec 13th 2019
526
                                                   There's been another independent study trying to estimate M4A costs
Dec 13th 2019
533
                                                        hopefully moderates are prepared to throw their full support
Dec 13th 2019
534
                lol I can't believe dude used Delaney
Dec 11th 2019
517
McKinsey gives him permission to disclose clients
Dec 09th 2019
501
Goodbye Kamala!
Dec 10th 2019
502
ADOS is overdoing it with her
Dec 10th 2019
504
      You mean Yvette and Antonio
Dec 10th 2019
505
           Yeah those two
Dec 10th 2019
506
yang is in the december debate
Dec 10th 2019
507
Who the fuck is Tom Steyer? His commercials just started...
Dec 10th 2019
508
      What ?
Dec 10th 2019
509
      RE: Who the fuck is Tom Steyer? His commercials just started...
Dec 12th 2019
521
UK News: Boris Fucking Johnson wins majority government.
Dec 12th 2019
519
worst defeat since 1924.
Dec 12th 2019
520
      if Trump can beat Bernie, he will easily beat the rest...
Dec 13th 2019
524
      meh I don't think the panic is necessary
Dec 13th 2019
527
      "There isn't a 'red' America and a 'blue' America..."
Dec 13th 2019
537
           RE: &quot;There isn't a 'red' America and a 'blue' America...&quot;
Dec 13th 2019
538
                RE: &quot;There isn't a 'red' America and a 'blue' America...&quot;
Dec 13th 2019
539
      it isn't running left. it's running unprepared
Dec 13th 2019
530
that mayor pete + lizzo cross promotion smh
Dec 13th 2019
522
***BARF***
Dec 13th 2019
523
working over-time for Pete too
Dec 13th 2019
528
Shit, I can think of at least three I hate more than Biden
Dec 13th 2019
531
im not too sure its the media for me
Dec 13th 2019
532
Indeed
Dec 13th 2019
529
Democratic candidates threaten to skip debate amid labor fight
Dec 13th 2019
535
cbs poll: biden choice for 50% of black dems in super tuesday states
Dec 22nd 2019
540
btw i think we are gonna end up with a messy brokered convention.
Dec 22nd 2019
543
I think so too re:convention. But re:vp pick...is that just "DemThink"??
Dec 22nd 2019
546
RE: btw i think we are gonna end up with a messy brokered convention.
Dec 22nd 2019
547
and most of the Black votes are from Southern states that are red
Jan 02nd 2020
550
Feels like Klobuchar is the media favorite of the week
Dec 22nd 2019
541
Her candor is refreshing
Dec 22nd 2019
542
      serious question: why do you think she does so well in minnesota?
Dec 22nd 2019
544
           She works her ass off and the DFL has built a strong coalition
Dec 22nd 2019
545
Down goes Castro.
Jan 02nd 2020
548
surprised he managed to stay in this long
Jan 02nd 2020
549
Lol. I know you're being snarky but you forgot Booker, Gabbard, Williams...
Jan 02nd 2020
552
      Oops,
Jan 02nd 2020
553
           Lol
Jan 02nd 2020
554
Deval P doesn't make MI ballot after submitting forged(?) signatures
Jan 02nd 2020
551
Julián Castro endorses Elizabeth Warren for president
Jan 06th 2020
555
It actually makes sense on a craven careerist level.
Jan 06th 2020
556
      this is hilarious
Jan 06th 2020
557
This is the definitive article of this moment
Jan 08th 2020
558
Fuck Bernie
Jan 10th 2020
574
      A short list of some of Bernie's accomplishments
Jan 10th 2020
575
           I'm nowhere near the Bernie Bro you are, but ...
Jan 10th 2020
588
New 538 analysis: Biden likely nominee. Then Sanders. Then Pete/Warren
Jan 09th 2020
559
its most likely gonna come down to black voters like it did in 2016.
Jan 09th 2020
560
      We always discount the Latinx vote - which is a big demographic
Jan 09th 2020
562
extremely bad favorability numbers for sanders/warren in fl.
Jan 09th 2020
561
The only way a democrat wins is with good anti-Trump turnout
Jan 09th 2020
563
Stop saying Biden is the 'most electable'. Trump will run rings round hi...
Jan 10th 2020
567
nah... there is a real thin group of voters in most toss up states
Jan 10th 2020
569
      RE: nah... there is a real thin group of voters in most toss up states
Jan 10th 2020
572
Man... I’ve always believed Biden has the best shot
Jan 10th 2020
568
      i was very hopeful that the debate performances would affect him
Jan 10th 2020
570
      Then what?
Jan 10th 2020
571
           So your suggestion is to live in a fantasy land.
Jan 10th 2020
577
                Yes
Jan 10th 2020
578
                     And reality should be for everybody!
Jan 10th 2020
579
Tom Steyer looking to swoop in and buy this thing. Surging in polls
Jan 09th 2020
564
dude made the debate again
Jan 10th 2020
565
He is the only one I hear on urban radio in Charlotte.
Jan 10th 2020
566
Changing my vote to Biden
Jan 10th 2020
573
from whom?
Jan 10th 2020
576
No candidate is polling at >50%. Why not just support who one wants?
Jan 10th 2020
580
you should definitely vote for who you want to in a primary
Jan 10th 2020
581
      I'd argue exactly the opposite.
Jan 10th 2020
583
           its not absolute
Jan 10th 2020
584
                I'm reluctantly starting to see sense in a Biden-Bernie "unity" ticket
Jan 10th 2020
585
                     nothing but old white men running for president
Jan 10th 2020
586
                     Lol! Reminds me of these guys:
Jan 10th 2020
589
                     Does Bernie seem like he'd be content with a VP spot? lol
Jan 10th 2020
587
                          Lol no, not really. But at the same time, maybe a former VP is the only
Jan 10th 2020
590
                               i wonder what bidens answer would be to this question
Jan 10th 2020
591
marianne williamson was still in it...i guess?
Jan 10th 2020
582
Cory Booker out
Jan 13th 2020
592
Bump.. lmao
Mar 04th 2020
593
damn lol
Mar 04th 2020
594

PimpTrickGangstaClik
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Mon Nov-04-19 08:16 AM

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1. "Battleground poll numbers: Trump pretty strong in states that matter"
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Mon Nov-04-19 08:18 AM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

  

          

Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Florida, Arizona, NC.
Biden holding his own. Warren getting crushed.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIhkULCWwAAX94H.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIhkULCWkAAOsxU.jpg

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/04/upshot/one-year-from-election-trump-trails-biden-but-leads-warren-in-battlegrounds.html

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You ain't the only one whose got problems. You ain't the only one who knows pain. Get up off your ass and just solve them. You still got a chance to try to change, try the shit again.
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Reeq
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Mon Nov-04-19 08:33 AM

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2. "this should be pretty sobering for democrats."
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that 'progressive' agenda isnt winning the states that will most likely decide the election. its great for areas that are already bright blue.

2018 showed us the agenda that won dems much of the sun belt *and* the rust belt (and almost tx, ga, fl). its political malpractice for dems to ignore the will of those voters.

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24. "even if you accept this? Mayo Pete and Weekend at Bidens"
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are just not good options in the general.


It is odd that these two are the best moderates the Dems can deliver.

Even when I get nervous and entertain the idea that a more moderate candidate would be a safer bet, I remember the candidates. No thank you.


I wonder if someone like Booker regrets not going more moderate, cuz no one is going to overtake Warren AND Bernie on the left. Biden being the Biden a lot of us knew he would be has left the door open...see: Pete being a thing.




  

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27. "This is why it will be Biden"
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Y’all want it to be one way but I’m telling y’all.. the coast don’t pick the president.. the middle does.

Don’t get upset, get smart

shut up already, damn

  

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9. "Warren is looking weaker and weaker in a general v. Trump"
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and I think her consultants/team are partially to blame. She has clearly tried to pivot more towards the Establishment than embracing her progressive, bold identity. I think that's a mistake in this political climate.

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Stadiq
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22. "RE: Warren is looking weaker and weaker in a general v. Trump"
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>and I think her consultants/team are partially to blame. She
>has clearly tried to pivot more towards the Establishment than
>embracing her progressive, bold identity. I think that's a
>mistake in this political climate.
>
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What are you referring to?


As far as polls, as you yourself have pointed out a lot of this shit still varies.

https://twitter.com/AJentleson/status/1192103191174926340


  

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3. "im still warren but would definitely vote for bernie too"
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Mon Nov-04-19 10:25 AM by mista k5

  

          

everyone else im meh on but would obviously vote for over trump.

if i just voted with my heart it would be bernie 100% i think warren is the best shot to actually get everything that bernie is pushing for.

petes actual intentions are starting to show for me. i used to think he was 100% pro bernies policies but just wanted to frame the conversation differently so people would go for it. it definitely seems like he isnt really for it though.

i was considering making a poll of who your second choice would be but wasnt sure if theres a point to that.

i sure hope we get another 8 or so candidates to drop out this month.

edit
last poll results
who would you vote for?:
Poll result (92 votes)
Joe Biden (6 votes) Vote
Bernie Sanders (19 votes) Vote
Elizabeth Warren (53 votes) Vote
Kamala Harris (4 votes) Vote
Pete Buttigieg (4 votes) Vote
Other (6 votes) Vote

first poll results
Who do you want to win the Dem nomination?:
Poll result (87 votes)
Kamala Harris (16 votes) Vote
Joe Biden (4 votes) Vote
Bernie Sanders (35 votes) Vote
Beto O'Rourke (11 votes) Vote
Elizabeth Warren (13 votes) Vote
Other (post below) (8 votes) Vote

  

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4. "Bernie"
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I had been leaning Warren earlier this year, but I'm back on team Bernie. Liz as the second choice.

I still like Warren/Castro as a ticket.

For Bernie it's a more difficult ticket for me to come up with. Ideally, I'd like Bernie and Stacey Abrams or maybe Nina Turner, but that may be a harder ticket to sell because... well you know... American hates Black women

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5. "Bernie or Kloubochar (even though they're not alike)"
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if i was choosing a president from the bunch it would still Warren, but I only care about who can win, and I think Bernie/Amy are the reps from their respective wings of the party that could pull enough of the "both sides suck" vote to win.

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6. "lol Guess we're just being nice by including Kamala on this?"
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7. "Pretend it's Tulsi and toss her a vote."
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8. "Being that Tulsi has outperformed "top-tier" Kamala - why not."
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10. "According to who ?"
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https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-primaries/democratic/national/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/us/elections/democratic-polls.html

And even if their positions were switched I wouldn't exactly be bragging about a 3-4% to 1-2% advantage on either side lol.

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12. "There have been recent polls (like the Suffolk poll)"
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that show Tulsi outpacing Kamala. She's certainly outperforming her in NH - where Kamala has shut down her offices and laid off staff (never a good sign this far out).

But the reason I said Tulsi has outperformed Kamala is because where they started, respectively. Kamala was touted as a "top-tier" candidate - but she's essentially fighting with Yang, Klobuchar, Castro, Tulsi for 5th place - and her numbers get worse as time goes on, whereas Tulsi numbers have gotten better as time goes on.

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13. "Word fair enough - that makes sense."
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And just to be clear I am a fan of neither, so I wasn't caping for Kamala by any means.


>But the reason I said Tulsi has outperformed Kamala is because
>where they started, respectively. Kamala was touted as a
>"top-tier" candidate - but she's essentially fighting with
>Yang, Klobuchar, Castro, Tulsi for 5th place - and her numbers
>get worse as time goes on, whereas Tulsi numbers have gotten
>better as time goes on.

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14. "vex be on some trump white house lawn shit lol."
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if the truth doesnt fit his narrative...he just abandons the truth. he doesnt abandon the narrative lol.

lol @ tulsi polling at 0% in some polls.

tulsi is outperforming kamala like bernie has a more diverse coalition than biden.



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15. "Hahah yea this was hilarious:"
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>lol @ tulsi polling at 0% in some polls.

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16. "she got some pop in literally *1* poll after the clinton beef"
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and her supporters sprinted with it.

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18. "According to you Tulsi would've been ousted like a dozen others"
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by now - including your golden boy Beto who you posited as the next big thing. He ain't even running anymore lol.

Let's also not forget the whole Biden/Kamala dream-team that you were pumping not so long ago.

Your predictions haven't aged well fam. Might want to sit this one out.

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19. "beto dropped out and is still polling higher than tulsi lol."
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tulsi putting up john delaney numbers lmaooo.

good luck with that.

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20. "Hahahahaha"
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>RE: beto dropped out and is still polling higher than tulsi lol.
>tulsi putting up john delaney numbers lmaooo.
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>good luck with that.

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21. "I wont even type her name, non-factor"
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Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
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11. "Just copied the last poll. But it real should just be 4 plus the others"
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But Harris is the best of the rest according to most polls

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17. "might be the best bernie endorsement so far:"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B4ZAJL4Hgdh/

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23. "Pressley endorses Warren"
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That was expected - not just because they are both MA politicians - but because Pressley endorsed Clinton in the '16 primary.

Good endorsement for Warren, who really needs to rally more diverse support in the primary.

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28. "the most impressive member of the squad "
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in terms of retail politics.

she had to beat a popular incumbent who was just as progressive as her (if not more) and actually ran a real campaign to save his seat.

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25. "Warren will get the nod but lose the general. "
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I hope I’m wrong though and that we get that asshole out of the White House.

  

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26. "Listened to this yesterday and it made my wife change on Warren"
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https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/05/podcasts/the-daily/whos-ahead-2020.html?action=click&module=audio-series-bar®ion=header&pgtype=Article


Basically, uneducated whites are not going to vote for a woman. According to the polling they did, Biden would barely win and Sander is be in a very close race.

I'm still for Warren. That is not changing any time soon.

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29. "this poll from a while ago says it all:"
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1124010483571482625
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Head-to-head @CNN 2020 poll among whites without a college degree:

Trump +13% over Biden
Trump +15% over Buttigieg
Trump +16% over O'Rourke
Trump +17% over Sanders
Trump +28% over Harris
Trump +34% over Warren
Trump +37% over Clinton '16
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30. "Scary times. Like I been saying.. "
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I don’t trust white America.

These people out here saying he is the best president ever just because he cusses and talks shit.

Lives are shit but they still see him and think it’s a win.

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31. "Damn 34 perecent"
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34. "thats better than hrc. and she won the popular vote by 3 mil."
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there prolly wouldnt be another mcgovern just because of how polarized/partisan many states are now.

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32. "Democrats used to be the party of working class/poor whites"
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including whites with a h.s. diploma. That has obviously changed and Hillary was probably the most unpalatable candidate the Dems have ever run to that demographic. Part of it was because she was a woman - but part of it was also because of how she talked down to that group and was a Wall Street Limousine Liberal.

With Warren - it's definitely a lot about misogyny as she's a candidate who has advocated her whole life for working-class/poor people. I would expect her to do better than Clinton but we've still got a long way to go in this country.


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33. "youre leaving out a ton of historical context "
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that has nothing to do with hrc.

republicans specifically targeted this group for re-alignment with the southern strategy, contract with america, etc. thats what the racist dogwhistling and white identity politics is for. reagan democrats and trump rust belt converts are the same thing. this is not a new playbook (they even used the same exact maga slogan).

if it was just about 'limousine liberals' talking down to them...then why do dems draw expanding majorities with the working class of every other demo but whites without a college degree? exactly. theres something specific to this one particular group.

the biggest exoduses of non-college degree whites from the dem party happened after the signing of the civil rights act of 1964 (the majority of whites have never voted for a dem prez since then) and the election of the 1st black president. coincidence?

other than that...liberal activist stances on abortion, fossil fuels, and marriage equality have polarized many of ncd whites against the dem party as well. which is why repubs center entire campaigns around these issues to this day (liberals going 'too left').

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35. "rare instance of where we agree:"
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>republicans specifically targeted this group for re-alignment
>with the southern strategy, contract with america, etc. thats
>what the racist dogwhistling and white identity politics is
>for. reagan democrats and trump rust belt converts are the
>same thing. this is not a new playbook (they even used the
>same exact maga slogan).

Absolutely - Republicans pivoted post civil rights to appeal to the "silent majority" with Nixon which set off this NeoCon movement that has its footing into the white nationalist segment of the electorate (which is larger than most thought it was).

>if it was just about 'limousine liberals' talking down to
>them...then why do dems draw expanding majorities with the
>working class of every other demo but whites without a college
>degree? exactly. theres something specific to this one
>particular group.

Well - it's definitely because the Republicans have dog whistled and played to the fears/racism of that electorate as you noted, but it's also because of a lack of competition: The Dems have been able to summon the POC vote simply because Republicans have committed political (and moral) malpractice by abandoning that demographic - which will put the nail in their coffin soon enough (already seeing signs of it with last night's wins in VA and KY).

>the biggest exoduses of non-college degree whites from the dem
>party happened after the signing of the civil rights act of
>1964 (the majority of whites have never voted for a dem prez
>since then) and the election of the 1st black president.
>coincidence?

Yes - but also important to note that it was the Democratic party that was the epitome of racism, Jim Crow, and pro-slavery for over a century before the parties flipped identity during the Civil Rights movement. Why do I bring this up? Because the parties have proven to be malleable - such that we can't just oversimplify things and say the Democratic Party has always been the party of justice -- it most certainly hasn't -- but is our best bet right today in 2019.




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39. "i dont think anyone here is under this impression lol"
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>such that we can't just oversimplify things and say the
>Democratic Party has always been the party of justice

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36. "damn..."
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Its kind of crazy to think that 'Murikkka is more scared of a woman academic than a socialist.


  

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38. "i never even thought about it in this way."
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40. "well, this segment of the electorate considers Warren a socialist too"
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let's not kid ourselves - they aren't looking at Warren as some capitalist.

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41. "Right, which further makes the point"
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Why is Warren less liked than Bernie to these people?


only one real big difference between the two.


Oh, and Bernie actually calls himself a socialist.


If nothing else, take this and run with it. Maybe Bernie really is more electable- though I hate the idea of catering to this group.

  

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46. "RE: Right, which further makes the point"
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>Why is Warren less liked than Bernie to these people?
>
>
>only one real big difference between the two.

You can look to my response above that calls out the misogyny associated with that.

>Oh, and Bernie actually calls himself a socialist.

Democratic Socialist - let's be accurate.

>If nothing else, take this and run with it. Maybe Bernie
>really is more electable- though I hate the idea of catering
>to this group.

I also don't think it's true to the point where we should just pick the guy to cater to these prejudiced segments of the electorate. If Warren is the candidate you believe in - you should run with that, period. She's qualified and the fact that she's a woman should be something celebrated, not something she's penalized for.

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51. "RE: Right, which further makes the point"
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>>Why is Warren less liked than Bernie to these people?
>>
>>
>>only one real big difference between the two.
>
>You can look to my response above that calls out the misogyny
>associated with that.

I didn't say that you didn't.

>
>>Oh, and Bernie actually calls himself a socialist.
>
>Democratic Socialist - let's be accurate.

I'm talking in context of how this specific group of voters would view him.

To your point, they will both be labeled socialists. Only difference is that Bernie actually wears the label proudly. This group isn't going to care about the 'democratic' part of his label. He's a socialist to them.

You would think *that* would hurt him more than Warren's gender, but he is actually quite a bit more popular with this group.

It is...disappointing and a little surprising.

There is no reason to dislike Warren that much more than Bernie, other than the obvious.


>
>>If nothing else, take this and run with it. Maybe Bernie
>>really is more electable- though I hate the idea of catering
>>to this group.
>
>I also don't think it's true to the point where we should just
>pick the guy to cater to these prejudiced segments of the
>electorate. If Warren is the candidate you believe in - you
>should run with that, period. She's qualified and the fact
>that she's a woman should be something celebrated, not
>something she's penalized for.
>
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Well, yeah. Okay. Not everything needs to be a big debate. Warren is still my preferred candidate, and we all obviously hate the sexism at play.


And I think there is still time to win some of those folks over, but that gap is a little disappointing to see in the context of winning the election. And Bernie's # might be inflated by comparison due to name recognition I suppose.


Just pointing out that, if anything, you should just take this poll as a plus for your guy.

Do you ever not argue? lol I didn't say anything bad about Tulsi, Lebron, and I even complimented Bernie's chances. lol nothing to debate man

  

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37. "who was it on here that said mayor pete might pull that upset in iowa?"
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1192185915063652354
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New Quinnipiac poll among Iowa likely Democratic caucus-goers

Warren 20
Buttigieg 19
Sanders 17
Biden 15
Klobuchar 5
Harris 4
Steyer/Gabbard/Yang 3

MOE +/- 4.5

https://t.co/A5NGpI6Ztx
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his recent surge in the state has been impressive. its pretty clear who those biden ship jumpers are mostly going to.

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42. "RE: who was it on here that said mayor pete might pull that upset in iow..."
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I think a few did, but I was one. I started getting the feeling he would win Iowa a few weeks ago. When Warren stumbled on M4A and Pete was in attack mode.

Still a long ways to go until what, Feb?

But...I think he probably pulls it out.

>https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1192185915063652354
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>New Quinnipiac poll among Iowa likely Democratic caucus-goers
>
>Warren 20
>Buttigieg 19
>Sanders 17
>Biden 15
>Klobuchar 5
>Harris 4
>Steyer/Gabbard/Yang 3
>
>MOE +/- 4.5
>
>https://t.co/A5NGpI6Ztx
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>
>his recent surge in the state has been impressive. its pretty
>clear who those biden ship jumpers are mostly going to.

Yeah and I would guess he is chipping at Warren too. I think Warren probably lost some folks on the M4A if I had to bet.

I wish I didn't dislike/distrust him, and I wish I felt better about his chances in the general.

Kind of crazy how far Harris has fallen. She is an afterthought at this point.

  

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45. "Meh SC will take care of him"
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43. "Gabbard & Klobuchar meet thresholds for November debates"
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44. "Damn"
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Hopefully she will not make Dec

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52. "LOL right. Just saw a headline in my iPhone news aggregate ..."
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>Hopefully she will not make Dec

... from Faux "News" praising Tulsi, again. Don't even remember what it said and can't find it but ... it shouldn't need to be said over and over but if they love her we shouldn't.

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53. "Jennifer Rubin loves Kamala - praised her again recently."
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and therefore we shouldn't praise Kamala!

#Logic

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57. "I generally don't."
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>and therefore we shouldn't praise Kamala!
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54. "Exactly"
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>... from Faux "News" praising Tulsi, again. Don't even
>remember what it said and can't find it but ... it shouldn't
>need to be said over and over but if they love her we
>shouldn't.


Just watched some of her Tucker Carlson interview. He was pushing the usual Faux talking points about the impeachment with no counter from her. She didn't challenge anything.

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58. "Yes it's bad."
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>Just watched some of her Tucker Carlson interview. He was
>pushing the usual Faux talking points about the impeachment
>with no counter from her. She didn't challenge anything.

But ask Vex and she's not giving credence to bogus fascist party conspiracy theories and helping to spread lies to the benefit of our fascist, criminal president, no no no ! She's just making herself more accessible to a wider range of voters ! What's so wrong with that ?!

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71. "RE: Yes it's bad."
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>>Just watched some of her Tucker Carlson interview. He was
>>pushing the usual Faux talking points about the impeachment
>>with no counter from her. She didn't challenge anything.
>
>But ask Vex and she's not giving credence to bogus fascist
>party conspiracy theories and helping to spread lies to the
>benefit of our fascist, criminal president, no no no ! She's
>just making herself more accessible to a wider range of voters
>! What's so wrong with that ?!


LOL right. These complete strangers (Tulsi, Bernie, Bron)become like family to him. Unconditional love.


Find someone who looks at you like Vex looks at his famous idols.

  

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47. "klobuchar had already qualified for nov, she now qualified for dec"
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just to clarify.

  

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49. "Why is there a monthly debate?"
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It's overkill.

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61. "smh people will complain about anything."
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in 2016 people said there were too few debates.

now theres too many.

we done had like a 12 hour climate town hall marathon for multiple candidates. something completely unprecedented where everybody got to address their climate position uninterrupted for like an hour.

and people are still bitching about not having some climate debate with 10 candidates squeezing in 1 minute answers to chuck todd questions about greta thunbergs twitter profile.

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80. "That was me, and kfine set me straight lol."
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>and people are still bitching about not having some climate
>debate with 10 candidates squeezing in 1 minute answers to
>chuck todd questions about greta thunbergs twitter profile.

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87. "lol i aint even see that."
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93. "Yea it was. And I fell into the trap."
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I had actually totally forgotten about the climate town halls so that was 100% on me. I deleted all my retweets hahah.

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107. "lol"
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97. "You ain’t gotta lie (c)"
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The complaint IRT climate change and the subsequent debates is it’s omission as a topic

i.e. it’s not being brought up or discussed

Compared to health care, which is equally as important

I think you can see the disparity in how the issues are being debated.

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48. "29 votes and ain't nann votes for Biden? Who are these pollsters calling..."
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I know Okp are a bunch of extremists, but Biden can't get 3% in the okp poll?

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50. "based on previous results he will get 2 votes in this poll"
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only 29 people have voted, previous ones had around 90. give it time.


i am surprised how much is bernie/warren at this point. so far it looks like bernie might gain compared to the last poll.

  

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55. "Haha.. I will vote for Warren or Bernie in the primary "
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but I’m voting for Biden in the general because he is going to win the nomination

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56. "Interesting that Bernie is doing a lot better in this poll than the firs..."
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Also runs parallel with BErnie's actual poll numbers which are on the rise. His campaign is aging well.


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59. "i think Warren would be a more effective president than Bernie"
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but I think Bernie has a better chance of beating Trump

i'd also love for him to prove me wrong. but i imagine a Bernie presidency as pure resistance across the board, and not much actually getting done.

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60. "bernie is running on stuff a lot of dems would lose their seat over."
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dems lost 60+ seats in the midterms following the passage of obamacare. obama knew that was a possibility and convinced many dems to support it because it was the right thing to do. but 2010 was an absolute disaster for dems (and america) and the consequences are still being felt today with gerrymandered districts, voter suppression via repub legislatures/govs/sos that won in those midterms, etc.

dont expect dems to stick their necks out like that again any time soon.

not to mention...dems needed a virtual supermajority in the senate to get that past the finish line. theyd be fortunate to get a simple majority this time around. especially when you consider the fact that bernie winning would leave a senate seat open for the republican vt gov to appoint a replacement to for about a year (and a repub might win that seat later).

plus...in 30 years of work in congress...bernie hasnt really built a coalition/network among the majority of democrats. he hadnt really been a big campaigner/fundraiser for dem allies like biden/warren/harris. he has no real ties to the congressional black/hispanic caucus. and he has a pretty bad record on primary endorsements (no coattails).

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62. "medicare4all has been taking a beating now that its getting scrutinized."
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https://twitter.com/amyewalter/status/1192436346712940544
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support for Green New Deal: 67/31;
ban on assault weapons 54/45.
Med. For All 36/62.
Ban on fracking 40/54
border crossing not illegal: 27/71

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m4a underwater with rust belt swing voters by almost -30 points. its the 2nd worst position only to decriminalizing border crossings. that should tell you a lot.

the poll also highlights the tricky dichotomy that has lost support for dems in the rust belt. green new deal and environmental issues are popular. but when it comes to affecting local jobs like the gas/fracking industry...its a no go for most people.

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63. "so they support infrastructure investment?"
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65. "everybody supports infrastructure investment."
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unspecific to the green new deal.

its one of the most popular proposals at all levels of government on a bipartisan basis (but repub politicians hate it).

honestly trump could have cruised to a second term if he did it (and every dem would have gone along cuz they dont play cutthroat politics like repubs).

renewable energy is also very popular. so people love that part too.

but when you start talking about phasing out gas/oil/coal...then things can go south quick depending on region and local economy.

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64. "btw i think warren releasing her plan for m4a might have been"
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one of the worst things that happened to it.

bernie is just like fuck it we are gonna raise your taxes but hypothetically decrease out of pocket medical expenses.

warren...who usually has clear concise sensible plans for everything...put out a convoluted mess just to stick to the 'no tax raises for the middle class' script. it relies on stuff like immigration reform passing...which we know wont happen.

it makes some smooth palatable form of medicare for all seem like a pipe dream to many people now.

earlier in the campaign...it felt like she was doing the right thing imo...and leaving room to pivot to something transitional like a public option (she stated medicare for all was simply a 'framework'). but then she doubled down after she was put under pressure during/following the last debate.

i think her doubling down on m4a as it falls in popularity is the main reason for her leveling off or falling in polls. bernie already has m4a baked into his cake. no matter how (un)favorable the general public views it...those who support him are riding with him on everything regardless. but liz is kinda live with the plan/policy die by the plan/policy.

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74. "she must really believe strongly in M4A"
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Yeah man I was surprised myself.

When you look at even just through the lens of winning the primary, it was an odd move.

I really doubt Bernie is going to lose a significant amount of support and he clearly isn't going anywhere anytime soon. In other words, I don't think Liz dropping a detailed plan was ever going to win over Sanders supporters- and thats understandable.


Seems like she could have picked off some Biden supporters, etc by just not being as 'radical' as Bernie. Had she left some wiggle room, she probably could have won over more moderate Dems- especially given the terrible options there.


But she left the door open for someone like Pete, and I imagine it probably contributed at least a little to the Billionaire Mayor jumping in late.

Only thing I can come up with? She must really, really believe in M4A cuz she risked a lot by doubling down.

  

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91. "maybe but she was clearly waffling during the campaign."
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either way...like you said...her and bernie are leaving a clear lane for someone like pete to come right up the middle and snatch the healthcare vote.

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79. "She was damned if she did damned if she didn't tho."
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>one of the worst things that happened to it.
>

>bernie is just like fuck it we are gonna raise your taxes but
>hypothetically decrease out of pocket medical expenses.
>
>warren...who usually has clear concise sensible plans for
>everything...put out a convoluted mess just to stick to the
>'no tax raises for the middle class' script. it relies on
>stuff like immigration reform passing...which we know wont
>happen.
>

Oddly enough, her plan made me respect her even more. Like, she did what I assumed was impossible... I'm one of the most vocal M4A-skeptics ever and now I'm only mildly anti (lol) and support America at least trying her M4A plan out. Do I think it could pass into law? ehh. Do I think it could be sustained? Repubs would gut that shit the moment they took back power (leaving everyone with an underfunded overstrained system and no alternatives since the Dems would have killed private health insurance). But she's badass for putting out an M4A plan that might actually work if it was law, though not without issues. Like.. EVEN IF she and Bernie are both overestimating the extent of their plans' cost savings, and underestimating the extent utilization will increase once all of America is covered, and underestimating the number of doctors that would elect out of practicing within the system due to such drastic paycuts... her financing proposal is still stronger in my eyes bc the inevitable ballooning costs would fall mostly on corporations and the super wealthy as opposed to lower/middle income taxpayers.

But ya, there's hella risk in relying on CIR for revenue as you said. Not to mention a massive defense cut which has been talked about for years with no traction and what are likely to be deeply unpopular corporate taxation reforms. Oh ya and the problem with funding a staple program by relying on sticking billionaires with a multi-billion dollar tax bill each year is that there's relatvely few of them and eventually M4A will eat up all their billions and slow the formation of more so... lol. Especially considering her proposed capital gains tax changes too. I feel like people really underestimate how much of a black hole M4A would be.


leaving room to pivot to something
>transitional like a public option (she stated medicare for all
>was simply a 'framework'). but then she doubled down after
>she was put under pressure during/following the last debate.
>

Personally? I think she is still capable of pivoting once it comes time to actually govern. But she needed to cost this plan. Not only due to growing pressure from less progressive opponents/pundits/the public, but also to differentiate herself from Bernie. A lot of the punditry around M4A is starting to focus more on her now, as opposed to Bernie, because she actually cut the bullshit and put out hard numbers. I respect her effort to turn M4A from a series of talking points into substantive policy.

>i think her doubling down on m4a as it falls in popularity is
>the main reason for her leveling off or falling in polls. >bernie already has m4a baked into his cake. no matter how
>(un)favorable the general public views it...those who support
>him are riding with him on everything regardless. but liz is
>kinda live with the plan/policy die by the plan/policy.

I guess we'll see. But it looks like her M4A proposal is becoming the "referent" now, for lack of a better term. Yes Bernie can say he "wrote the damn bill" but he didn't feel the need to show his work so *shrug* too bad. Furthermore, now the costing question can be set up like "If America chooses M4A who should pay: the middle class taxpayers? or corporations, ultra-millionaires and billionaires?" If M4A has any shot at all... Warren is now the better-equipped salesperson and she kinda out-manouvered Bernie a bit too.

  

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100. "I wouldn't be mad, heck I even hope, she pivots to public option at conv..."
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If her general additude is you have to run on bold ideas of what's possible, I think alot of her proposals make a lot of sense.

I think we learned from Obama that running on what you think you can achieve means you end up, after it's negotiated, even less than that.

If after the convention she pivots to a public option an a much higher income tax rate for the wealthy (instead a wealth tax on assets), then I think that's okay and increases her odds to win in a general.



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66. "michael bloomberg is running."
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https://twitter.com/alexburnsNYT/status/1192567277029339136

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69. "Lol oh lord. What's your guess on the strategy here? Why Alabama??"
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I mean it's looking pretty clear he's trying to run as a spoiler.. but for whom lol...

The consensus online seems to converge on him aiming to be an alternative (replacement??) to Biden... He's far wealthier than Biden and can self-fund in contrast to Biden's fundraising issues... so is he filing in a southern state to start trying to compete against Biden's stronghold in the south?

Or is he moreso after Warren (or someone else "unpalatable"... i.e. Sanders, Buttigieg etc), and starting in Alabama because it's a Super Tuesday state which would allow him to watch for who sweeps the early states before pouncing..? Perhaps he'll be focusing more on securing superdelegate support, since the race is likely headed towards a brokered convention anyway?? Superdelegates is probably where he has an advantage over the field.

Or both?? Having trouble understanding billionarese lol.

Oh and the quote floating aroung about his concern that the top polling candidates aren't well-positioned to beat 45 is silly, given recent matchups all have them beating him and the margins have been growing throught the year.


Also, some folks online wishing that he'd run as a republican or independent instead and pull Repub votes from 45 lol

Whatever the case, Dem politics right now is... interesting.

  

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72. "i would guess albama is just because of the deadline"
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https://ballotpedia.org/State_and_federal_candidate_filing_deadlines_for_2020

i am so glad we will now how an old white man that thinks we need to appease republican voters.

finally.

  

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75. "right. These egos man..."
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>i am so glad we will now how an old white man that thinks we
>need to appease republican voters.
>
>finally.
>
>

If Bloomberg and/or Seyer really gave a fuck, they could spend money to torch Trump/the GOP in a few swing states and have money left over to win the senate.

Hell, they could probably spend less on those two things than what they are about to spend to poll at 2-4%.

fucking unreal.


But, by all means, I hope there are more OkayPlayer threads that derail into defending billionaires and their charitable hearts.

  

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76. "LOL! Your pettiness >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"
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77. "Ah. Good point lol. Don't know why I didn't check that"
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I'm thinking there's still a little strategy in there too tho. And Boomer psychology lol ("I always wanted to run for Pres dammit")

  

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73. "i really have no idea what he is doing."
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i think we are just seeing the billionaire dem donor class overwhelmingly out of touch with dem voters and just panicking because biden is fading and elizabeth warren wants them to pay a little bit more.

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78. "lol, right. a little Boomer psychology sprinkled in there too, I'm sure"
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85. "you and this boomer psychology lol."
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127. "tin foil hat time? He's prepping a 3rd party run just in case"
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I think he knows he won't win the nom.

But if he runs as a 3rd party out of the gate he'll get labelled a spoiler, etc.


What if he's running in the primary to a)look like a good democrat and b) get on debate stages, in polls, etc to build at least some support within the party.

Then, if its Bernie or Liz, he'll run 3rd party. Maybe even get a never-trumper GOP VEEP or something.




  

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70. "I literally said"
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"what the fuck" out loud, when I saw this on Twitter.

  

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125. "lol yep"
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Unreal man

  

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90. "someone has to look out for the rich!"
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fuck him.

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"How you not a sell-out if a sell-out spits a rhyme and you enjoy it?"
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67. "tom steyer aide caught offering paid endorsement scheme."
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https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1192495269981687808
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oddly enough this was only the 2nd dumbest headline involving a billionaire presidential candidate today.

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68. "and this was after another steyer aide was caught stealing data"
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from the kamala harris campaign

https://twitter.com/axios/status/1191525808579342336
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82. "LOL I'm dying."
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>oddly enough this was only the 2nd dumbest headline involving
>a billionaire presidential candidate today.

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83. "tulsi gabbard does new interview with progressive outlet breitbart."
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https://twitter.com/BreitbartNews/status/1192516277174181890

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84. "VEXXXXX come get your girl."
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Nah nevermind I know - she's just trying to expand her reach.

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86. "LOL"
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Building a consensus with the alt right crowd.

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89. ""Hillary made her do it" - Captain Clown Shoes"
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you know what the deal is when someone capes for that monster more than your auntie ever did for Obama

"We supposed be leaders, now why you wanna follow each other?"
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92. "We gonna do this every time?"
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She's appeared on every radio show from the political spectrum - from left-wing fringe greens to Conservative Libertarians - and everywhere in between.

If you want to run for President - it's wise to speak to all Americans (who you will be representing should you succeed). Her media strategy has worked pretty well for her thus far.

What's both interesting and sad is that some right-wing shows have treated her more fairly than centrist programming on cnn and msnbc - where they essentially read off of a script and ask her questions she's already answered 175 times before.

But yea - I guess she just only go on the Rachel Maddow show and speak to ~17% of the electorate? Makes sense.

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94. "Damn you are straight up shameless."
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Constantly sidestepping the point.

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96. "RE: Damn you are straight up shameless."
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>Constantly sidestepping the point.

I keep asking you what the point is - and you don't seem to have one. So what's the point?

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99. "Multiple people, including myself, have tried to help you."
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I refuse to keep repeating myself.

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119. "Lol y’all ok?"
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Out here really upset when somebody has a different point of view.

“Vex me and some other guys who think just like me disagree - respond to us and explain!!!”

Everything’s gonna be ok.
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120. "That was adorable."
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Reeq
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105. "this is pretty pathetic. no punchline."
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alt right following. david duke endorsement. tucker carlson regular guest. breitbart interviews.

apparently 'reaching out' to racists is perfectly cool with you.

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108. "And worse - she's not challenging them on *anything*."
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She's going on these shows, and doing all these interviews, with the glaring *purpose* of parroting their talking points, perpetuating their lies, whataboutisms, and misdirections ... being all cordial and agreeable (<-- there Vex, I repeated myself again).

*That's* the offensive part and the context (<-- VEX) making these appearances inexcusable and disqualifying.

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113. "according to vex its all part of a brilliant campaign strategy"
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to keep her polling at 0-2%.

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117. "Hahaha exactly. That may be the most hilarious argument he made ..."
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... on her behalf.

"She's beating Kamala in the polls !" lololol

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115. "When people tell you who they are, believe them"
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#AllOutletsMatter

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121. "Actually - you make a good point "
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If there’s one thing we know white nationalists and the alt-right love - it’s definitely a progressive Democratic woman of color who is a member of a religious minority.

Makes sense.
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88. "Eric Holder might get in"
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https://twitter.com/eugene_robinson/status/1192575677658206208

It gets even more interesting. I hear from a good source that Eric Holder has been consulting strategists about possibly jumping into the Dem presidential race

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98. "turning into a royal rumble"
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i bet kirsten really went under the ropes. shes gonna come back in and stun folks.

  

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102. "lol"
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yeah it's too much

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124. "jesus I thought those articles were bullshit"
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Waiting on the Hillary announcement at this point.

  

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95. "Kamala's numbers tumble as she calls for longer school days"
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https://qz.com/1743573/kamala-harris-extended-school-day-bill-is-a-costly-gamble/

Who is advising Kamala? Oh right, she inherited Hillary Clinton's genius inner strategist circle.

REEEEEEQ what happened to Biden/Kamala for America?

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101. "It's interesting that you keep calling him out for this ..."
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>REEEEEEQ what happened to Biden/Kamala for America?

... considering he's already adjusted his stance on both candidates. Cause that's what people do when they're presented with context and evidence suggesting that their candidates are trash.

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103. "He caped the hardest for HRC "
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and still is as you can see from an exchange in this post and the constant Bernie bashing j

Posted Biden and Beto 2020 posts

Dude is just wrong...that is the context.

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106. "^ the only person on OKP worse than Vex at talking in circles."
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>and still is as you can see from an exchange in this post
>
>Posted Biden and Beto 2020 posts
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>Dude is just wrong...that is the context.

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109. "i just be standing to the side watching dude argue with himself lol."
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111. "Hahah smart move."
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114. "dude *still* tryna get my attention like a sidechick scorned lol."
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116. "LOLOL I'm dying."
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I've said this before in response to an exchange he was having w/Lurkmode but like 85% of responses to bentagain are some variation of "what?!?" lolol.

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118. "lol poor kid."
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112. "^^^ endorses Taylor Swift as a political strategist "
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You the ops.

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110. "Didn’t think you’d address the content of my post "
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138. "Let them cook w/ the #NeverBernie posturing"
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"Beto is the one! no wait Kamala! no wait Biden/Kamala! no wait Warren!"

They might stan for Bloomberg next if it comes down to it.

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139. "RE: Let them cook w/ the #NeverBernie posturing"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2g5Hz17C4is


>"Beto is the one! no wait Kamala! no wait Biden/Kamala! no
>wait Warren!"
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>They might stan for Bloomberg next if it comes down to it.
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104. "vex keeps bringing up kamala like im supposed to be hurt lol."
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he cant imagine someone not stanning for a failed candidate like he stans for tulsi lmao.

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123. "RE: vex keeps bringing up kamala like im supposed to be hurt lol."
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>he cant imagine someone not stanning for a failed candidate
>like he stans for tulsi lmao.


I'm curious how old dude is. Like, has he not been let down by a politician before? How has he not learned that lesson?

  

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126. "Kamala the strongest candidate in the field"
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Her plan is brilliant and much needed, much like her other plans.

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151. "how'd you vote five times though, man?"
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122. "ah okay. You think everything is an agenda"
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That's why everything is an argument with you. Its also why you don't leave room to admit the weaknesses of your heroes. Got it.


>REEEEEEQ what happened to Biden/Kamala for America?
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He changed his mind, man. People are allowed to do that. Especially as time goes on, more information comes out, etc.

Not only that, but I'm pretty sure he straight up admitted he was wrong on Biden specifically.


Again, not only are people allowed to do that- but it is a pretty good sign of maturity.


And this is my point- eventually, I hope you grow out of your hero worship/ agenda style politics.


You calling Reeq out for being 'wrong' on this only further highlights your foolish stannery of your heroes. Seriously man, these famous people you worship are not saints. Leave yourself room to change your mind and allow grey areas, etc.





  

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128. " Typical negative confirmation bias, why didnt you share this?"
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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/kamala-harris-school-day-longer-education.html

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150. "The pushback on this was kinda wild"
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It's pretty much "more money for more after-school programs" but because of how certain tweets described it, folks were thinking Kamala wants to trap kids at school all day. And....how would that make ANY sense?!

Kamala's not my top candidate but damn...people wanted to dunk on this pretty hard.

  

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160. "The author of the vice version is Anti Black AF"
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He says our community doesnt need special attention in areas of need.
People only concerned about demonizing tho.

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161. "Stormfront is all-in on Gabbard."
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129. "Real talk: I would not be surprised to see Clinton jump into the race"
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Right now I see three tracks.

The "radical" track: Sanders and Warren leading this pack. I guess Kamala can be in here, maybe Booker (don't know where to put him, and honestly it doesn't matter)

The "wild card" track: Toss Yang in here. Also Gabbard (I see you Vex)

The "moderate" track: Biden leading this pack. Buttigieg a bit behind. Also throw in Klobuchar.


If Biden has to drop out for whatever reason, investigation, competence, etc., that moderate track is looking pretty weak. That's why I think we're seeing Bloomberg jump in. And rumblings of Holder.

Clinton would be squarely in the moderate track. And she's got the built in support to win that track if the heavy hitter Biden is out.

Then it's just a face off with the "radical" with the winner taking on a weak Trump.

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130. "Bloomberg is"
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Hill should stay out
but Bloomy should go ahead and put his foot in it
liberals love him, hes pragmatic af, and he can appeal to all the people who liked trump because he was "a businessman" - well Bloomy is way better at, he's way richer, and way more stable.

  

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133. "The Stop and Frisk campaign what could go wrong?"
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Bloom needs to go sit down.

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134. "Bloomberg will get CRUSHED... "
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>Hill should stay out
>but Bloomy should go ahead and put his foot in it
>liberals love him, hes pragmatic af, and he can appeal to all
>the people who liked trump because he was "a businessman" -
>well Bloomy is way better at, he's way richer, and way more
>stable.


it's scary if people actually believe this. Thankfully they don't.


Bring him in though.. I would love to see these shitty billionaires crumble as Bernie & Warren rip them apart in front of the american people.





  

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135. "I'm not super confident this'll happen either tho lol."
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>I would love to see these shitty
>billionaires crumble as Bernie & Warren rip them apart in
>front of the american people.

They may be a little shook but like I said in the other post, ultimately they'll be fine cause they always are.

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131. "lol she wont"
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HRC is a lot of things, but shes not an idiot

I think it keeps coming because people legit miss hating her.

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132. "Lmao.. that ain’t happening. "
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shut up already, damn

  

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136. "Her betting odds are increasing lol. Never say never"
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2% chance back in September, got up to about 10% in October

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/

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140. "I think she is tired of being embarrassed "
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shut up already, damn

  

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137. "Bernie & AOC host largest Iowa rally of the primary season"
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Naomi Klein also came out to endorse Bernie and is speaking with him today.

Dude's campaign just keeps getting better and better as the primary season heats up.

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141. "WATCH: 2019 Presidential Forum on Environmental Justice"
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Apparently, climate change is a big deal to voters in SC...go figure.

https://www.democracynow.org/live/watch_2019_presidential_forum_on_environmental

The first-ever Presidential Forum on Environmental Justice was held on Friday night in South Carolina. Democracy Now!’s Amy Goodman and former EPA official Mustafa Ali co-moderated the event.

Senators Elizabeth Warren and Cory Booker, Tom Steyer, Marianne Williamson, John Delaney and Joe Sestak took part in the forum at South Carolina State University in Orangeburg.

The forum — hosted by the National Black Caucus of State Legislators and leaders from frontline and tribal communities, civil rights, youth and environmental organizations — included discussion on how presidential hopefuls intend to manage the impacts of the climate crisis on the communities most affected.


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142. "A specter is haunting, uh, the Americas?"
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Lulu out. Bernie's gonna win. We're gonna win.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/lula-da-silva-freed-brazil-prison_n_5dc606f9e4b02bf5793ffc11

Brazil’s Former Left-Wing President ‘Lula’ Is Freed From Prison, Hailed By Bernie Sanders

By Mary Papenfuss

A ruling by Brazil’s Supreme Court allowed former leftist President Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva to walk free from prison Friday, surrounded by throngs of cheering supporters.

The court ruled late Thursday in a landmark decision that defendants may remain free while they exhaust appeals in their cases. The former head of state, popularly known as Lula, has suddenly reemerged as a possible contender against his political opposite: controversial far-right President Jair Bolsonaro. But da Silva, 74, cannot run unless his corruption conviction is overturned.

Da Silva was mobbed by supporters as he left the federal police headquarters building in the southern city of Curitiba on Friday. He already looked like he was campaigning as he raised his fist and embraced well-wishers. “They tried to criminalize the left,” he said in an address to the crowd, The New York Times reported. “They didn’t lock up a man, they tried to kill an idea. But an idea can’t be destroyed.”

Da Silva announced that he would hold a gathering of supporters at a metalworkers union in São Paulo on Saturday before launching a national tour.

U.S. Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) linked to a story on da Silva’s release on Twitter and said he was “delighted.” Sanders said his incarceration “never should have happened in the first place.”

Da Silva responded to Sanders in a tweet, thanking him for his “solidarity” and adding that Sanders has “always been my candidate for the U.S. presidency.”

Da Silva began serving a 12-year sentence (later reduced to less than nine years) in 2018 for corruption and money laundering linked to charges that he and his wife illegally received about $1.1 million from a construction company tied to a beachfront apartment. In exchange, the construction operation was granted contracts from the state-controlled Petrobas oil company, according to prosecutors.

Critics contend the charges were politically motivated at a time when da Silva had been favored to win the 2018 presidential election. Bolsonaro won instead.

Others in the corruption case that ensnared da Silva are also being freed, along with thousands of other inmates appealing their sentences. Until the new ruling, people convicted could be ordered to prison to begin their sentences before their appeals were exhausted.

The former union leader and head of the Workers Party was in charge during a run of economic growth from 2003 to 2010 that boosted the nation’s middle class. Da Silva’s massive welfare program also helped lift millions from poverty, and he left office with an approval rating of more than 80%.

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143. "Warren: "I'm just a player in the game""
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This is a really bad look for Warren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmiqVD8xmm8

Krystal Ball's analysis is excellent, per usual.

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145. "^^^ seen"
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As a CA resident, I have the same sentiment 

Who gives AF about Iowa?

CA is the world’s 5th largest economy 

and we’re relegated to onlooker every cycle 

Warren had a chance to speak on it...and whiffed 

In SC, where I’m ASSuming she’s looking to garner support
from black voters 

Really a wtf moment 

I won’t go full on...she’s a fraud...just yet 

But Harry Reid reminding us she’ll pivot to the center in
the general is ringing in my ears

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146. "eh.. those clips are something for people who want them to be something"
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i'm concerned about Warren as an effective candidate against Trump but none of those clips were the "..Wow" she wants them to be, and all I really got out of that 9 minutes is the feeling that Krystal Ball is kind of a hack.

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147. "Cool - doesn't have to be a "thing" for you necessarily. "
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But I think there are plenty of voters who do care that she calculates with these questions instead of just giving honest, straight-forward answers.

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144. "Great interview with activist Philip Agnew on the Bernie movement"
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https://www.jacobinmag.com/2019/11/bernie-sanders-campaign-national-surrogate-phillip-agnew

  

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148. "thanks for posting! my homie is a poc surrogate for sanders too. "
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and hopes to publish in jacobin as well.

great passage here:

By contrast, Bernie is all about it. It’s right there in his slogan, “Not Me, Us.” And he doesn’t just mean a mobilizing to get him elected. He says all the time that this movement needs to fight for its demands while he’s in office.

To that end, he has made an effort to build relationships with movements that he doesn’t already have strong ties with. For example, he’s been extremely open to taking up the demands that have been put forward by Black Lives Matter activists, specifically around criminal justice, right?



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I’m going to tell you a true story. I had just joined the Bernie Sanders campaign as a surrogate, and I was sent his criminal justice platform when it was already 98 percent complete. So I looked at it, and as I read the Google Doc, I began putting comments in the sidebar for things that I didn’t see reflected. As I read the document, I had to click resolve on all of the comments because they were all referenced later in the Doc.

And as I kept reading, I got emotional. I started calling people who I couldn’t show the platform to yet, and telling them, “You’re going to almost cry when you see it.” There were things on there that we’ve been talking about for years. There were things on there that I hadn’t even thought of.

I have it in front of me. Let’s look at what we have here. Banning for-profit prisons. You know, 100 percent of the juvenile facilities in the state of Florida are private. Making phone calls and other communications free. Unless you’re doing prison work and going inside prisons, you don’t even know how important this is. Ending cash bail. How long has the movement been cobbling together dollars to bail mothers out on Black Mama’s Bail Out Day? A non–law enforcement response system. Abolishing the death penalty. Ending the war on drugs. I could go on.

When we’re talking about the criminal justice system, we’re talking about a system by which capital is able to hide labor that is not being able to be used. Plantation owners at least had a small amount of reason to preserve the life or the ability of a slave to do work. It didn’t mean that they weren’t heinous and brutal, but if a person is a piece of equipment for you, then you have some interest in preserving that equipment. The prison system has no such considerations, and is one of the most evil and inhumane systems that we’ve ever seen in the history of humanity. And Bernie’s talking about tearing it up by the roots.

So to answer your question directly, yes, Bernie’s criminal justice platform responds to the demands of a movement that has been in the streets for the last five years, and also the demands of people who have been working for the last forty or fifty years to end solitary confinement or making sure that kids under eighteen don’t go to jail. His criminal justice platform is an amazing example of a campaign that is responsive to a movement, in a way that Sanders rarely gets credit for.

I am an abolitionist. Bernie’s platform goes farther than any other candidate’s on this issue and, while it is not abolition, it seriously diminishes the power of police and prisons in the lives of our people.

  

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149. "this is a good read"
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He makes some good points.

  

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152. "Great read. Bernard's support base is truly intersectional"
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and is legitimately the largest, most dynamic political movement at play.

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154. "Meh"
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That was not great.

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153. "Another moderate seeing an opening. Deval Patrick considering"
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https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/former-mass-governor-deval-patrick-considering-presidential-run-n1080316

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155. "new iowa poll: buttigieg: 22% | biden: 19% | warren: 18% | sanders: 13%"
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1194321492537991169
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New Monmouth poll of Iowa, trend since August:

Buttigieg: 22% (+14)
Biden: 19% (-7)
Warren: 18% (-2)
Sanders: 13% (+5)
Klobuchar: 5% (+2)
Harris: 3% (-9)
Steyer: 3% (-)
Yang: 3% (+2)
Booker: 2% (+1)
Gabbard: 2% (+1)
Bullock: 1% (-)
Castro: 1% (+1)

Klobuchar closer to Dec debate
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huge gains for p booty. bernie and liz left an opening on healthcare and he took advantage. cant even hate on him.

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156. "14 point jump??"
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it looks like mostly from kamala and joe. bernie stays consistent.

who is getting more excited for klobuchar?

  

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158. "I don't know about that"
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>huge gains for p booty. bernie and liz left an opening on
>healthcare and he took advantage. cant even hate on him.

I am going to have no problem hating on him lol


Even though I called his rise in Iowa, I fucking hate it.


How much of a boost is he getting from white male priv? Plus Biden being Biden?

I mean, I'm sure there is some 'outsider' appeal which we shouldn't underestimate. People of all kinds like an outsider.

But

Just seems like moderates don't have any exciting choices.


Pete is on fire. Even fucking Klobuchar is gaining. Honestly? Deval Patrick probably should jump in.

Let Pete get some actual arrows now that he is in the lead, make some noise in NH, and build some momentum for SC and beyond.

He'd probably eat Pete and Biden's lunch. And I would probably feel better about his chances in a general versus those two also.

I'm not happy about it, though. I'm frustrated that Warren has stumbled, and the amount of sexism she has already ran into is pretty disheartening.

But, yeah...if DP has presidential aspirations of any kind now is the time.


  

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157. "medicare for all likely dead. 3 dems wont nuke the filibuster."
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theres prolly a lot more who wouldnt nuke it but havent come out in vocal opposition.

https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1194007374035587073
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Joe Manchin (WV), Jon Tester (MT) and Kyrsten Sinema (AZ) say they won't vote to nuke the legislative filibuster.

That's probably enough to block major pieces of any 2020 candidate's agenda—Sanders, Warren and (yes) Biden—if Democrats win the tri-fecta.

https://t.co/BDI5I7hTXX
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that puts to rest all of the 'big bold structural change' talk from warren and bernie. i wonder if theyll be forced to modify the message or if theyll keep running on an agenda thats logistically/realistically impossible now.

outside of stuff like voting rights and tax cut repeal (which i believe only requires a simple majority under budget reconciliation process)...theres almost a nonexistent chance of passing any progressive legislation when one party will completely obstruct any proposals that benefit the american people and still get people to vote for them en masse.

and this is all assuming dems get a majority of senate seats in 2020.

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159. "at the very least it is going to be a question"
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in debates, etc...and they better have something.


I admire the energy, but "I'll hold rallies in Manchin's backyard" probably isn't the way to make allies.

  

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164. "ah yes"
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>Joe Manchin (WV), Jon Tester (MT) and Kyrsten Sinema (AZ) say
>they won't vote to nuke the legislative filibuster.

The Hall of Bitchniggas, with Chief Bitchnigga Manchin leading the charge.

In my ideal world, he and his daughter would occupy a gulag for the remainder of their living days.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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183. "would you rather them hand over their 3 senate seats to repubs"
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by doing something unpopular among their own voters just to try to pass something that would get dismantled by republicans 2-4 years later with those new senate seats?

im not sure why we would expect any dems to do something their own voters (and a popular majority) dont support.

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162. "Clinton: "never say never""
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“I, as I say, never, never, never say never,” the former secretary of State said on BBC Radio 5 Live. “I will certainly tell you, I’m under enormous pressure from many, many, many people to think about it.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/12/hillary-clinton-presidential-run-2020-070318

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166. "It's ridicuolous how they make big stories out of everything she says. "
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Woman says she isn't running. That should be the end of the headline.

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163. "the Democrats are expending more resources not to go further left"
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than they are fighting the state-by-state voting cheats that denied them the White House in 2016 and governorships like the one Stacy Abrams rightfully owns. fuck that Russia shit. it was Americans, time and time again.

Cory Booker ain't good enough for the centrist establishment that believes that we are living in 2008 before Obama made them all mad and they brought back the poll tax?

Deval Patrick and Bloomberg talking about running. man, if you don't get the fuck. HILLARY talking about running. If you don't get the ENTIRE fuck.

Just be GONE. The politics of the billionaire-appeasing middle is OVER.

Back Warren and brace yourself for Sanders, Democrats. Fuck all these imaginary swing voters in Ohio. these niggas ain't gonna back off dangling whiteness carrots. make sure people can VOTE without much restriction first.

  

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167. "It's maddening."
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>than they are fighting the state-by-state voting cheats that
>denied them the White House in 2016 and governorships like the
>one Stacy Abrams rightfully owns. fuck that Russia shit. it
>was Americans, time and time again.
>
>Cory Booker ain't good enough for the centrist establishment
>that believes that we are living in 2008 before Obama made
>them all mad and they brought back the poll tax?
>
>Deval Patrick and Bloomberg talking about running. man, if you
>don't get the fuck. HILLARY talking about running. If you
>don't get the ENTIRE fuck.
>
>Just be GONE. The politics of the billionaire-appeasing middle
>is OVER.
>
>Back Warren and brace yourself for Sanders, Democrats. Fuck
>all these imaginary swing voters in Ohio. these niggas ain't
>gonna back off dangling whiteness carrots. make sure people
>can VOTE without much restriction first.

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172. "It really is infuriating. Dems, man"
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On one hand, I get the fear of losing to Trump. I do.

And I can't really pretend to get in the mind of a moderate, but I gotta think they aren't too excited with their leading choices. Though, for the life of me, I don't get why Booker isn't doing better.

Like, how in the fuck is Pete that much more popular than Booker?

And if I'm a moderate, I see all the excitement over Warren and Sanders, I'm probably a little disappointed that I got Weekend at Biden's telling me Cornpop stories and shit.



But a part of me thinks that some Dems aren't afraid Bernie or Warren would lose to Trump. I think they are afraid one of them would win.

As Doc said, the party seems to be more worried about becoming the party of Warren or Bernie than elections being stolen, etc.

And, as usual, much more worried about convincing one R to vote D than getting 3 new voters to the polls.


To your point, Obama isn't walking through that door. But even at that, I think a lot of folks have forgotten some of the progressive/populist shit Obama was saying/promising in his primary. Yes, he talked about unity. But he talked a lot about workers rights, bad trade deals, joining picket lines, etc.






  

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173. "Yea it's wild. To steal a sports cliche they're playing not to lose."
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Not playing to win.

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174. "Most Dems are moderate"
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and real talk.

Super progressives are kind of annoying. The average person isn’t trying to go THAT far left.

Booker isn’t doing better because he’s Black. We aren’t getting another Black President for a loooooong time. Like not in our lifetime long time.

shut up already, damn

  

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175. "Yea, progress is stupid."
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>Super progressives are kind of annoying. The average person
>isn’t trying to go THAT far left.

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187. "RE: Most Dems are moderate"
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>
>Booker isn’t doing better because he’s Black. We aren’t
>getting another Black President for a loooooong time. Like not
>in our lifetime long time.
>
>


I was *kind of* being tongue in cheek with the Booker vs Pete comparison for this reason. Even considering that, the huge separation between the two doesn't really add up to me.

I'd say its a combo of racism, folks not trusting white america again (fair), people liking an outsider, and I'm guessing Booker's campaign isn't very well run or something.

If there really are dem voters out there who don't like Warren's 'anger' (lol) etc...Booker is all positivity every time I hear him speak.




  

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177. "BINGO. I think this is it:"
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>
>But a part of me thinks that some Dems aren't afraid Bernie or
>Warren would lose to Trump. I think they are afraid one of
>them would win.
>

Exactly. It's easy to forget sometimes there's more than one Dem nomination process happening too.

I mean Bloomberg, Patrick.. and whoever else might jump in from the shadows?? No way these guys are throwing their name in this late to actually build coalitions, sweep states, etc lol. Though it might help their cause. I think the filings might just be a formality at this point bc what they're really competing for is the delegate game behind-the-scenes.

Like, most regular folks probably still think their support could help determine the nominee. Their focus is on hoping their fave will win the state caucuses/primaries, purity-testing their fave's opponents' policies and donors, etc. The cute stuff. Meanwhile, the actual donor class/Dem establishment already anticipated a brokered convention a long time ago and has probably been putting plans in play for that all along.

I'm still game-theorizing (lol), but so far I think party insiders had a "(Instead Of) Bernie Plan" and a "(Just In Case We Can't Rely On) Biden Plan". I think both plans (initially) favored Warren, and that they completely underestimated Buttigieg's ability to appeal to both moderates and progressives (he's pulling secondary supporters from all over.. Biden, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, etc).

But they seem to be scrambling now, because they didn't anticipate Warren doubling-down as strongly as she has to her progressive leanings/inner tax maniac (eg. with her M4A plan) and there appears to be some latent ageism and homophobia when it comes to Buttigieg (who else could some obviously-not-progressive donor types be talking about when they say they're not confident about the field?? He's the only other high-polling moderate) despite his emergence as a 'unifying' candidate (at least in ideological coalition).

Basically: Warren was probably the "insider approved" emergency backup for both Sanders and Biden but she stopped moving as expected and they realized they have no backup-plan-for-the-backup-plan. And their weird electability calculus won't let them give Buttigieg a chance. So now it appears their plan is to pump more moderates in the field that insiders and all their Never45 friends can "get behind", who can replace Warren as the emergency backup nominee and peel away Buttigieg delegates if he keeps outperforming Biden.

Only wealthy insiders could even MEET the criteria TO BE such late candidates, because who else would have the resources and connections to stand-up even a pretend campaign a few months before votes start being cast? lol. I really don't thin these late entries have anything to do with the people/electorate. They're gonna pick who it'll be at the convention and move on.

  

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189. "all great points"
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>>
>>But a part of me thinks that some Dems aren't afraid Bernie
>or
>>Warren would lose to Trump. I think they are afraid one of
>>them would win.
>>
>
>Exactly. It's easy to forget sometimes there's more than one
>Dem nomination process happening too.

Good point. Hell, I don't even get how it works to be honest.

>
>I mean Bloomberg, Patrick.. and whoever else might jump in
>from the shadows?? No way these guys are throwing their name
>in this late to actually build coalitions, sweep states, etc
>lol. Though it might help their cause. I think the filings
>might just be a formality at this point bc what they're really
>competing for is the delegate game behind-the-scenes.

Again, I'm not sure how the delegate game works.

I did read that Clinton (Bill) jumped in in October of 91. So, in the ere of social media, etc...I think it is theoretically possible for a candidate to get in now and make some noise. I mean, hell, Donald Trump is president. Anything is possible.

It would have to be the right candidate though. I honestly spaced the Patrick Bain connection.

>
>Like, most regular folks probably still think their support
>could help determine the nominee. Their focus is on hoping
>their fave will win the state caucuses/primaries,
>purity-testing their fave's opponents' policies and donors,
>etc. The cute stuff. Meanwhile, the actual donor class/Dem
>establishment already anticipated a brokered convention a long
>time ago and has probably been putting plans in play for that
>all along.
>
>I'm still game-theorizing (lol), but so far I think party
>insiders had a "(Instead Of) Bernie Plan" and a "(Just In Case
>We Can't Rely On) Biden Plan". I think both plans (initially)
>favored Warren, and that they completely underestimated
>Buttigieg's ability to appeal to both moderates and
>progressives (he's pulling secondary supporters from all
>over.. Biden, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, etc).

I could definitely see this.
>
>But they seem to be scrambling now, because they didn't
>anticipate Warren doubling-down as strongly as she has to her
>progressive leanings/inner tax maniac (eg. with her M4A plan)

Yep. I think this will be looked back on as a huge misstep, unfortunately. I think she was all set to be the 'more favorable' option to Bernie. Then she tripled down.


>and there appears to be some latent ageism and homophobia when
>it comes to Buttigieg (who else could some
>obviously-not-progressive donor types be talking about when
>they say they're not confident about the field?? He's the only
>other high-polling moderate) despite his emergence as a
>'unifying' candidate (at least in ideological coalition).

I could see that, but I think there is also a fear of his inability to connect with black voters.



>
>Basically: Warren was probably the "insider approved"
>emergency backup for both Sanders and Biden but she stopped
>moving as expected and they realized they have no
>backup-plan-for-the-backup-plan. And their weird electability
>calculus won't let them give Buttigieg a chance. So now it
>appears their plan is to pump more moderates in the field that
>insiders and all their Never45 friends can "get behind", who
>can replace Warren as the emergency backup nominee and peel
>away Buttigieg delegates if he keeps outperforming Biden.

Right. It just seems like for it to work, others would have to drop out.


>
>Only wealthy insiders could even MEET the criteria TO BE such
>late candidates, because who else would have the resources and
>connections to stand-up even a pretend campaign a few months
>before votes start being cast? lol. I really don't thin these
>late entries have anything to do with the people/electorate.
>They're gonna pick who it'll be at the convention and move
>on.
>

I mean maybe. Which would add fuel to the fire of the Dem party would rather lose with Biden or Patrick than win with Warren or Bernie. Unreal.

  

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196. "RE:to work others would need to dropout -not as a delegate strategy tho."
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If the dems end up having a brokered convention then it switches to a delegate vote, and delegates can switch to whomever from their initial candidate. Have to google the exact number delegates a candidate needs to win but I want to say ~2000?? Maybe more?

I forget the article I read recently where an insider opened up about how greasy the delegate securing process can get. A lot of pledges exchanged for admin posts/political favors and stuff. Real backroom deal shit.

So it seems, to avoid having insiders install whoever it is they want, "one" candidate would have to sweep the caucuses/primaries to negate the possibility of a brokered convention in the first place. Things are pretty polarized tho. Not to mention... the highest polling candidate who's attracting across the ideological spectrum and raising a shit-ton of money can't seem to win folks' trust/confidence he could bring it home in a GE (despite multiple matchup polls suggesting otherwise).

Really not sure what to expect next year tbh, lol


>>
>>Basically: Warren was probably the "insider approved"
>>emergency backup for both Sanders and Biden but she stopped
>>moving as expected and they realized they have no
>>backup-plan-for-the-backup-plan. And their weird
>electability
>>calculus won't let them give Buttigieg a chance. So now it
>>appears their plan is to pump more moderates in the field
>that
>>insiders and all their Never45 friends can "get behind", who
>>can replace Warren as the emergency backup nominee and peel
>>away Buttigieg delegates if he keeps outperforming Biden.
>
>Right. It just seems like for it to work, others would have
>to drop out.
>

  

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190. "billionaires eager to put in their two-cents "
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but not willing to pay two-cents in taxes

edit:
https://shop.elizabethwarren.com/collections/drinkware/products/billionaire-tears-mug

  

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165. "Bernie/Warren Ticket would win the election...I just don't see it occurr..."
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170. "could be Warren/Bernie.. either way, it's a LOCK to win..."
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168. "who could come in that would actually excite people?"
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get the undecideds behind them and possibly bring along voters that are already leaning towards someone?

if this had already leaned down to around 5 people i could maybe understand these people trying to jump in but were back to what 18 candidates????

  

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169. "Obama isn't walking through that door. 2016 Bernie isn't walking ..."
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... through that door.

There's enough to like about Bernie and Warren to get behind them. We need to stop thinking another Obama is on the way. He was special in 2008 and the leadup to it. Very rare.

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171. "for a lot of people its hard to get excited about a 70 y/o white person"
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184. "basically"
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179. "Only Michelle or Oprah (not being funny - that's the correct answer)"
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181. "this is true."
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itd have to be a broadly likeable candidate with big name recognition who was extremely favorable to black voters and college educated white people.

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192. "Michelle is not running and I wouldn't want her to, that family has been..."
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through enough, let them enjoy their retirement and book tours unlike these white folks who are going to go to the grave trying to run the world.

Same for Oprah, she doesn't want or need that mess.

45 was an egomaniac who ran for the hell of of it and when he saw people actually believed his BS he kept it going.

  

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205. "The question was who would excite people, not who ought to run."
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Those two would excite people.

In general, though, the poplace seems to look strictly to clebrities now - there appears to be less of a serious appetite for professional politicians to run for national office.

My theory is that capable, talented people, the types who used to be drawn to politics, are making way more money in finance and the private sector and don't have as much interest in political power, as in previous eras. So all the people in serious contention for the last two cycles are old, as a result.

  

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219. "I agree with some of what you said...."
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>Those two would excite people.
>
>In general, though, the poplace seems to look strictly to
>clebrities now - there appears to be less of a serious
>appetite for professional politicians to run for national
>office.

Not necessarily celebrities but they are looking for another "Obama" and he was a once in a lifetime candidate.

>My theory is that capable, talented people, the types who used
>to be drawn to politics, are making way more money in finance
>and the private sector and don't have as much interest in
>political power, as in previous eras. So all the people in
>serious contention for the last two cycles are old, as a
>result.

^^^I think this is very true.

  

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176. "candidates in 2018 who ran on medicare for all performed 5 points less"
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than candidates who didnt.

https://twitter.com/conorsen/status/1195047833965125632
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Candidates in 2018 supporting M4A ran five points worse than candidates who didn’t after controlling for district partisanship.

https://t.co/B0MjwwcDgM
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something ive really been tryna hammer home on here. its generally bad politics to run a presidential campaign centered on a policy that has no history of winning consequential elections (and is actually rejected by many voters in states/districts necessary to win a majority).

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178. "warren/sanders running 10 points behind clinton with black voters"
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https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/1194258362365546496
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Big thing in @Nate_Cohn’s polls that I don’t see people paying enough attention to is all three Democrats are running slightly ahead of Clinton with white voters but behind with black & hispanic ones.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJLbafrW4AE-KdL?format=jpg&name=large

https://t.co/8Q1YHd0ZBK
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if the eventual nominee does even worse with black voters than clinton...its goodnight irene for dems.

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180. "when people talk about the dangers of dems going 'too far left'"
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the 2 tweets above are why.

we can complain all we want on here in our insulated left of center online community.

but we arent a progressive nation. and the electorate (the people who actually cast votes) is even less left than that.

the dem path to victory is pretty clear. in va 2017/2019, ky/pa 2019 and nationwide 2018 (especially tx/ga/az)...college educated voters in the suburbs swung big towards dems. those folks could likely abandon the party in the event of a further left nominee.

warren is my horse. but we gotta acknowledge the potential for disaster in nominating a candidate like that (mcgovern 1984). theres a reason why she is barely above water in her own (solid blue) state while the *moderate* republican governor is above 70% approval.

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182. "Not to mention, Patrick entering to compete against Warren is telling af..."
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>
>warren is my horse. but we gotta acknowledge the potential
>for disaster in nominating a candidate like that (mcgovern
>1984). theres a reason why she is barely above water in her
>own (solid blue) state while the *moderate* republican
>governor is above 70% approval.

He's always been a major donor to her and there's even a recent clip of her naming Patrick specifically as a must-have in her cabinet if she won lol.

Them 1%ers got in his ear big time. STOP HER!!!! lol

  

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185. "hes prolly more likely to stop biden lol."
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im not sure what these folks are thinking with bloomberg and patrick...but if they wanted a closer-to-moderate candidate that might actually win (other than biden...who they obviously lost confidence in)...theyd be better served to get behind the only other viable candidate mayor pete.

honestly this is why repubs win way more than they should. if these democratic billionaires were any good at politics...they wouldnt be blowing their money on these quixotic hail mary campaigns (either them or their preferred candidate). they would be buying out state legislatures and governorships and instituting policy there that blunts the impact of any federal policy regardless of who the president is.

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186. "EXACTLY. I mean I had to laugh.. a billionaire and Bain Capital exec?"
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In an era where Sanders, Warren, and a dude under 40 are leading the polls/getting all the non-45 energy. Really? Lol.

It's such a staggering misread o