13355976, all great points Posted by Stadiq, Thu Nov-14-19 04:21 PM
>> >>But a part of me thinks that some Dems aren't afraid Bernie >or >>Warren would lose to Trump. I think they are afraid one of >>them would win. >> > >Exactly. It's easy to forget sometimes there's more than one >Dem nomination process happening too.
Good point. Hell, I don't even get how it works to be honest.
> >I mean Bloomberg, Patrick.. and whoever else might jump in >from the shadows?? No way these guys are throwing their name >in this late to actually build coalitions, sweep states, etc >lol. Though it might help their cause. I think the filings >might just be a formality at this point bc what they're really >competing for is the delegate game behind-the-scenes.
Again, I'm not sure how the delegate game works.
I did read that Clinton (Bill) jumped in in October of 91. So, in the ere of social media, etc...I think it is theoretically possible for a candidate to get in now and make some noise. I mean, hell, Donald Trump is president. Anything is possible.
It would have to be the right candidate though. I honestly spaced the Patrick Bain connection.
> >Like, most regular folks probably still think their support >could help determine the nominee. Their focus is on hoping >their fave will win the state caucuses/primaries, >purity-testing their fave's opponents' policies and donors, >etc. The cute stuff. Meanwhile, the actual donor class/Dem >establishment already anticipated a brokered convention a long >time ago and has probably been putting plans in play for that >all along. > >I'm still game-theorizing (lol), but so far I think party >insiders had a "(Instead Of) Bernie Plan" and a "(Just In Case >We Can't Rely On) Biden Plan". I think both plans (initially) >favored Warren, and that they completely underestimated >Buttigieg's ability to appeal to both moderates and >progressives (he's pulling secondary supporters from all >over.. Biden, Warren, Harris, Klobuchar, etc).
I could definitely see this. > >But they seem to be scrambling now, because they didn't >anticipate Warren doubling-down as strongly as she has to her >progressive leanings/inner tax maniac (eg. with her M4A plan)
Yep. I think this will be looked back on as a huge misstep, unfortunately. I think she was all set to be the 'more favorable' option to Bernie. Then she tripled down.
>and there appears to be some latent ageism and homophobia when >it comes to Buttigieg (who else could some >obviously-not-progressive donor types be talking about when >they say they're not confident about the field?? He's the only >other high-polling moderate) despite his emergence as a >'unifying' candidate (at least in ideological coalition).
I could see that, but I think there is also a fear of his inability to connect with black voters.
> >Basically: Warren was probably the "insider approved" >emergency backup for both Sanders and Biden but she stopped >moving as expected and they realized they have no >backup-plan-for-the-backup-plan. And their weird electability >calculus won't let them give Buttigieg a chance. So now it >appears their plan is to pump more moderates in the field that >insiders and all their Never45 friends can "get behind", who >can replace Warren as the emergency backup nominee and peel >away Buttigieg delegates if he keeps outperforming Biden.
Right. It just seems like for it to work, others would have to drop out.
> >Only wealthy insiders could even MEET the criteria TO BE such >late candidates, because who else would have the resources and >connections to stand-up even a pretend campaign a few months >before votes start being cast? lol. I really don't thin these >late entries have anything to do with the people/electorate. >They're gonna pick who it'll be at the convention and move >on. >
I mean maybe. Which would add fuel to the fire of the Dem party would rather lose with Biden or Patrick than win with Warren or Bernie. Unreal.
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