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Topic subjectHaha yea this is all probly fair and I saw your post #303
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13357001, Haha yea this is all probly fair and I saw your post #303
Posted by Brew, Thu Nov-21-19 11:35 PM
... after I sent my post. I went to respond to you but then got sidetracked and have been drinking lol; so I planned - and still plan - to revisit this tomorrow with you. Cause you're probably onto something - I may or may not be guilty of buying into the "m4a flip flip" narrative and pluralizing it. So I want to be better researched and more sober before I respond lol.

That said, I've been skeptical of Pete from day one because of the Darryl Boykins situation - my condemnation of which I stand by, but also may be skewing my opinion of him overall.


>At this point it just seems like folks are blindly repeating
>twitter chatter, without any examples.
>
>Like I'll give an example of a flip flop with a different
>candidate:
>
>In an early town hall, Kamala stated she favored abolishing
>private health insurance. She later walked that back after
>significant outcry, and her healthcare reform plan allows
>private insurers to continue as long as they adhere to
>Medicare requirements and offer through the system, kind of
>like Part C. This to me was a flip flop (although, not
>necessarily a bad one).
>
>But Pete saying he thinks "Medicare for All" (using the term
>to mean "Universal Coverage" NOT "Single-payer", which is
>actually the only way the term makes any sense since actual
>Medicare is not even single payer) is the "right goal", or is
>the "true center position" on healthcare (i.e. as a halfway
>point between a fully market-based system and a fully
>nationalized system like NHS) etc and then proposing a public
>option - is not in any way a flip flop lol. Public options ARE
>a way to achieve universal coverage. And if anything, he did
>the field a favor by offering a simple explanation to help
>folks understand that "ALL" the Dem candidates are in
>consensus to EXPAND health insurance coverage and simply
>offering different ways of doing so, and that it is
>Republicans that are trying to RESTRICT health insurance
>coverage (eg. by trying to repeal PPACA).
>
>But there must be OTHER areas where people feel he has flip
>flopped since I keep seeing people say "flip flops" plural
>lol. What have I missed??
>
>
>>
>>Agreed. Pete's entire campaign, the changes and the flip
>>flops, seem entirely disingenuous. Whether due to personal
>>shortcomings, or bad advice from aides, I'm not sure. But
>>either way it's been glaring and jarring.
>