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"DEFINITION OF RACISM"


          

rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

There is nothing in the definition about power. There is nothing in the definition about opression. What most of you are talking about when you say that power is a prerequisite to racism is INSTITUTIONAL racism. By the very definition of the word, blacks can be racist. Whites can be racist. Hispanics, Native Americans and Australian Aboriginies can be racist. Koreans can be racist. Eskimos can be racist. If a white man calls someone a "slope" he is being racist. If a black man calls someone "caveboy" he is being a racist. If you say black people can't be racist, then you are either inventing your own definition of the word "racism", or you don't understand the actual definition of the word. A dictionary may be helpful in alleviating this deficiency.


  

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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 17th 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      Emphatically Now Cipher!
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!
Jul 17th 2002
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      *Ties locks back & bites into tofu wrap w/quinoa*
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: *Ties locks back & bites into tofu wrap w/quinoa*
Jul 17th 2002
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      Quick detour
Jul 18th 2002
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           RE: Quick detour
Jul 18th 2002
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                Any word w/ology is science
Jul 18th 2002
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                     RE: Any word w/ology is science
Jul 18th 2002
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      Is this FS?
Jul 17th 2002
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           RE: Is this FS?
Jul 17th 2002
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      God Paul
Jul 19th 2002
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      Melanin
Jul 22nd 2002
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           Actually
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                True point indeed!
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                     Sounds like...
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                          RE: Sounds like...
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                               RE: Sounds like...
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                                    Another quick detour...
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                                    God's plan
Jul 23rd 2002
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                                         *Smiles, while listening to "Sanctuary" by Miles Davis*
Jul 23rd 2002
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                                              RE: *Smiles, while listening to "Sanctuary" by Miles Da
Jul 23rd 2002
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                                    RE: Sounds like...
Jul 25th 2002
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      RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!
Jul 19th 2002
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      why niggaz always trying to teach the DEVIL?
Jul 18th 2002
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           Peace BlackMan, do me favor...
Jul 18th 2002
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           dont do that
Jul 24th 2002
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      RE: your response...
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           RE: your response...
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           RE: your right
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           *LOL* and *claps* N/M
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                RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M
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                RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M
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                RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M
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           RE: your response...
Jul 18th 2002
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                Great response...
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           RE: your response...
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where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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      Whats the point of this post
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      RE: Whats the point of this post
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: Whats the point of this post
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           Ooh... this oughta be entertaining
Jul 17th 2002
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           Seriously
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                RE: Seriously
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                     RE: Seriously
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                     RE: Seriously
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                     RE: Seriously
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                     RE: Seriously
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                     RE: Seriously
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                          RE: Seriously
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                               RE: dumb or dumber?
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                               RE: dumb or dumber?
Jul 17th 2002
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                                    RE: dumb or dumber?
Jul 17th 2002
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                                         RE: dumb or dumber?
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                                              RE: he's going agaisn't the grain
Jul 17th 2002
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                                                   RE: he's going agaisn't the grain
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                                                        RE: *nods head*
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                               ABOUT MIKE DEF'S #34
Jul 17th 2002
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                                    RE: ABOUT MIKE DEF'S #34
Jul 17th 2002
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                     RE: Seriously
Jul 18th 2002
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                     RE: Seriously
Jul 21st 2002
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                     RE: Seriously
Jul 19th 2002
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      RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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           RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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                RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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                damn.
Jul 17th 2002
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                     Jackpot.
Jul 17th 2002
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                RE: where'd you get
Jul 18th 2002
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                     RE: where'd you get
Jul 18th 2002
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                          RE: where'd you get
Jul 18th 2002
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                               RE: hhmmm
Jul 18th 2002
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                                    I have no real comments except:
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                                         RE: *looks around*
Jul 21st 2002
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      RE: where'd you get
Jul 17th 2002
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      uh oh...
Jul 17th 2002
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      RE: where'd you get
Jul 20th 2002
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      wow...
Jul 24th 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 17th 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 17th 2002
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This post produced in coordination with...
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RE: of ONE MORE
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RE: of ONE MORE
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      RE: of ONE MORE
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           RE: of ONE MORE
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this can't be real
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RE: this can't be real
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RE: this can't be real
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RE: this can't be real
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RE: this can't be real
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      that is some bullshit
Jul 18th 2002
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           RE: that is some bullshit
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                Jackass
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                     nah
Jul 18th 2002
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Paul Nice=schitt stain on humanity
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It's all about power
Jul 18th 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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superiority = power
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
A Nerd
Jul 18th 2002
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dictionary definition is not relevent...
Jul 18th 2002
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well done! n/m
Jul 24th 2002
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Hey Paulie:Black vs. White Racism
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RE: Hey Paulie:Black vs. White Racism
Jul 18th 2002
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      RE: Hey Paul...Are you serious?
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      RE: Hey Paul...Are you serious?
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           I guess your not serious
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           lol....
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           Just the facts.
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                RE: Just the facts.
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      RE: Hey Paulie:Black vs. White Racism
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      *scoff*
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           RE: *scoff*
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                *scoff*
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                RE: *scoff*
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                     RE: *scoff*
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                          RE: *scoff*
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                               RE: *scoff*
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                                    RE: *scoff*
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                                         RE: *scoff*
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                                              RE: *scoff*
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                                                   wow Paul...you really
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                                                   ai'ight...
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                                                        RE: ai'ight...
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                RE: *scoff*
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                     RE: *scoff*
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      HEEEEHAAAAWWW
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      Beautiful n/m
Jul 22nd 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 20th 2002
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You know what's funny...
Jul 19th 2002
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RE: You know what's funny...
Jul 19th 2002
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RE: You know what's funny...
Jul 22nd 2002
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WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE
Jul 19th 2002
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RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE
Jul 19th 2002
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      RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE
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      I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE
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           RE: I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE
Jul 20th 2002
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                RE: I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE
Jul 21st 2002
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                     RE: I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE
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                          RE: I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE
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      RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE
Jul 22nd 2002
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uggghhh...
Jul 21st 2002
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RE: uggghhh...
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RE: uggghhh...
Jul 22nd 2002
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Paul is an idiot
Jul 21st 2002
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RE: Paul is an idiot
Jul 21st 2002
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      RE: Paul is an idiot
Jul 22nd 2002
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           RE: Paul is an idiot
Jul 22nd 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 21st 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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           You're an ex-catholic?
Jul 22nd 2002
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                RE: You're an ex-catholic?
Jul 22nd 2002
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                RE: You're an ex-catholic?
Jul 22nd 2002
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I'm rooting for Paul.
Jul 21st 2002
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RE: I'm rooting for Paul.
Jul 22nd 2002
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      RE: I'm rooting for Paul.
Jul 22nd 2002
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      RE: I'm rooting for Paul.
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      RE: I'm rooting for Paul.
Jul 22nd 2002
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           Um...
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      RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul.
Jul 22nd 2002
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           RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul.
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                RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul.
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                     RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul.
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                          RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul.
Jul 25th 2002
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      It's OK cued....
Jul 22nd 2002
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           RE: It's -not- OK bluetiger....
Jul 22nd 2002
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                Fine, my man. Inbox if you want.
Jul 22nd 2002
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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      RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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           RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
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                No sir, 'understood' is correct
Jul 25th 2002
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Racism -- Re:Definition
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RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM
Jul 25th 2002
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We are still minstrels...that is all.
Jul 25th 2002
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Let's end this: Racism is....
Jul 25th 2002
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RE: Let's end this: Racism is....
Jul 25th 2002
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      Please refrain from using the term racist
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      Exact;y!!!!!!!!!! Now you get it!!!!!!
Jul 25th 2002
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      soc101 ...University hard knocks
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           yup...200!
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jenNjuice
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1. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Jul-17-02 12:45 PM

          

i thought there was no such thing as RACE

next...

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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PaulNice
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2. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
In response to Reply # 1


          

That's irrelevant. If someone believes there is such a thing, and bases his beliefs on it or believes in the superiority of one "race" over another, or believes that "race" accounts for differences in character or ability, then they are a racist.

  

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Intelligently95
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4. "Emphatically Now Cipher!"
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You have semantically contextualized the true meaning of racism in an very inappropriate fashion! In this instance, fuck the dictionary! Why do you insist on Black people having the ability to be racist? This is a bogus claim! Study the historical tenets of the socially engineered concept of race and the inception of imperialism & the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trades, then rapidly reconfigure your thesis.

In the root word of RACISM you have RACE, which denotes competition. In this competition the objective is to marginalize your opponent. There is no parity amongst Blacks in comparison to whites politically, economically, culturally etc etc... & damn near any other ethnic groups or "minorities." This is the true function of RACISM! To create disproportions in the distribution of wealth, & accesses to the resources that would allow Black people to function autonomously of White people! White people control the fulcrum of society thru imperialism!

“True racism exists only when one group holds a disproportionate share of wealth and power over another group (or groups) then uses those resources to marginalize, exploit, and subordinate Blacks. Whites can deny Blacks employment, educational opportunities, business resources, a place to live & or the right to vote. Therefore, according to this definition, Black people cannot be racist. No group of Blacks has the power or the exclusive control of resources to the degree that they can educationally, politically, economically and socially exploit and marginalize the white race.” – Dr. Claud Anderson

So now on that note...

BISMILALLAH-I AM BORN (9) POWER (5) INTELLIGENTLY COMPLETE-PEACE
_________________________________________________________________

“When a man dictates the diameter of your words, he controls the circumference of your activities.” - The Most Honorable Elijah Muhammad

“5% Science demands that the Black Family Master the pro-pensities of Righteousness; to hold error in check w/Truth, to Conquer Ignorance w/intelligence and to Overcome deceit w/probity. This is the “Power” of Universal Thought activating righteously.” - Minister Aleek Jahkim Allah

“...This is why I shall continue to labor and endure the strong currents of spirituality, the manifestations of which are health, purity, and self immulation, must deepen the human experience; until the beliefs of material existence are seen to be bold impositions; and sin, as well as disease, & death, give everlasting place to the scientific demonstration of Truth in mathematics, and to God, the Perfect Man, Allah.” - Minister Aleek Jahkim Allah


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PaulNice
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19. "RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!"
In response to Reply # 4


          


>In the root word of RACISM you have RACE, which denotes
>competition.

There's no reason to counter all the other crap in your post, because this idiotic statement is the entire foundation for your erroneous assertion. There is more than one definition of "race" and they are not all related. The CORNY 5% habit of breaking down words in order to change their meaning only serves to distance you from the true and actual definition of the word, and puts you at a disadvantage when debating someone who has a firm and unwavering grasp of the English language. For instance -

What is MELANIN? Why are black people always talking about it? Well, let's break it down - melanin is melon - in. Now, what do you put your melon in? A basket! See! Melanin is the basket of hate that angry blacks put all white people in regardless of if they're racist or not!

Drop that fucking horse shit. It's stupid.

  

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24. "*Ties locks back & bites into tofu wrap w/quinoa*"
In response to Reply # 19


          

You semantical cosmopolitian attention seeking moron! What I did was parallel to an etymology, you fuckin idiot, stop trolling the discussion & please do yourself a favor & save your droaning humor, u are nowhere near the hemisphere of being funny! Now Once again, I implore you to STUDY the socially engineered concept of race & imperialism. The word race first appeared w/the emergence of the slave practice in the 16th century. Records indicate the word race was selected because the various EUROPEAN slave-trading nations were in a CONTEST, COMPETING, to profit from the mineral & human wealth of Africa. This is the inception of Western Civilization...

You Paul Nice are as RIDICULOUS AS JAMES TRAFFICANT'S WIG! Dismal idiot! On that note...

BISMILALLAH-I AM BORN (9) POWER (5) INTELLIGENTLY COMPLETE-PEACE
_________________________________________________________________

“… You can’t even absorb the rhymes I record, or resolve the deep laws of the physics involved. I travel to the edge of the universe & beyond, parsecs I arranged from a cellular star-tech, from the galaxy of andromeda; I puzzle brothers like crop circles & other unexplained phenomena’s.” – Can-I-Bus


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PaulNice
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26. "RE: *Ties locks back & bites into tofu wrap w/quinoa*"
In response to Reply # 24


          

Once again you are wrong. You should concentrate on content and stop searching for multisyllabic words in your thesaurus. The word "race", as it is used in conjunction with a group of people, was first used in France to describe wines with a common characteristic flavor - the Middle French word "razza". It later went on to mean "group of people with common occupation," and "generation". The modern meaning of "one of the great divisions of mankind based on physical peculiarities" is from 1774. It never referred to any "competition" in any way shape or form.

Perhaps you should READ the definition of the word "etymology" before you use it again.

  

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Intelligently95
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52. "Quick detour"
In response to Reply # 26


          

Why am I wrong, because you say so? LOL, I do not search for multisyllabic words as you put it, that is just how I speak, & I personally do not own a thesaurus.

Ok on to etymology. An etymology is the branch of science that deals w/the origin and historical development of words. Tracing its earliset usage and the transmission of words via other languages. Ok example, patriarch is a male leader or a society ran by a man or men. The etymology of this word has its inception in the word PADRE, which is Latin for father. W/all of this in mind, that's why I said what I did was parallel to an etymological breakdown.

Being prejudice & racist are not synonymous. Understanding the cosmopolitian ploys of semantics is rudimentary for this discussion. On this note...

BISMILALLAH-I AM BORN (9) POWER (5) INTELLIGENTLY COMPLETE-PEACE
_________________________________________________________________

“...You can’t even absorb the rhymes I record, or resolve the deep laws of the physics involved. I travel to the edge of the universe & beyond, parsecs I arranged from a cellular star-tech, from the galaxy of andromeda; I puzzle brothers like crop circles & other unexplained phenomena’s.” – Can-I-Bus

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PaulNice
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54. "RE: Quick detour"
In response to Reply # 52


          

Wrong again. Etymology is not a branch of science, it is the branch of linguistics dealing with the history of words. And the root word of "patriarch" is not "padre" - that's Spanish. The root wort of "patriarch" is "pater", which does mean father and is latin. Race as a competition and race as a group of people have 2 different root words, the first being Old Norse "raes" meaning a strong running brook or stream.

And no - you're not wrong because I say so, you're wrong because you put forth an erroneous assertion that runs contrary to all philology and etymology.

  

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Intelligently95
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63. "Any word w/ology is science"
In response to Reply # 54


          

science is the study or observation of etc... Etymology is the study of words and their historical derivatives etc etc... You are correct in stating the linguistics aspect of this, but you are misconstruing the point. Etymology is a science because you are studying, gathering information to make it relevant to whatever the circumstances may be.

Add on: You are the only one w/this erroneous assertion of Black people having the ability to be racist. It is bigger than me not liking someone based on their ethnicity, that's called pre-judging someone. Nettrice eloquently responded to this post stating it is all about power! I have to concur w/her assessment. So now on this note...

BISMILALLAH-I AM BORN (9) POWER (5) INTELLIGENTLY COMPLETE-PEACE
_________________________________________________________________

“...This is why I shall continue to labor and endure the strong currents of spirituality, the manifestations of which are health, purity, and self immulation, must deepen the human experience; until the beliefs of material existence are seen to be bold impositions; and sin, as well as disease, & death, give everlasting place to the scientific demonstration of Truth in mathematics, and to God, the Perfect Man, Allah.” - Minister Aleek Jahkim Allah

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PaulNice
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79. "RE: Any word w/ology is science"
In response to Reply # 63


          

>science is the study or observation of etc... Etymology is
>the study of words and their historical derivatives etc
>etc... You are correct in stating the linguistics aspect of
>this, but you are misconstruing the point. Etymology is a
>science because you are studying, gathering information to
>make it relevant to whatever the circumstances may be.

Ah. You're right, I'm wrong.

>Add on: You are the only one w/this erroneous assertion of
>Black people having the ability to be racist. It is bigger
>than me not liking someone based on their ethnicity, that's
>called pre-judging someone. Nettrice eloquently responded
>to this post stating it is all about power! I have to
>concur w/her assessment. So now on this note...

You may concur, but you'd be wrong. To prove this, I once again refer you to the definition of the word "racist", posted above. I think you will find no references to "power" whatsoever.

  

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42. "Is this FS?"
In response to Reply # 24


          


  

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jenNjuice
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47. "RE: Is this FS?"
In response to Reply # 42


          

what's that?

"fs"?

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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93. "God Paul"
In response to Reply # 19


          

You are really stoopid.
Wow.

You put melon in a basket huh? Good one
lol!

Peace Allah

I was Hip Hop b4 Hip Hop had rules.

Pure is my thought
Much purer is my heart


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146. "Melanin"
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Definition:
The natural substance that gives color (pigment) to hair, skin, and iris.

Meaning: Every one has melanin in them. The less you have, the lighter your skin color or pigment. The more, the darker.

And as far as race, call me naive, but I thought there was only one race. The human race. Nationallity of a person is one thing, but we are all humans, aren't we?!
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148. "Actually"
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There's only one race: Negro. All peoples came from Southeast Africa. Genetically speaking, since Africans can produce the greatest amount of diversity in a species, Africans are the only race.

Kill all the people who carry African blood and the white people will only be able to produce offspring that look like them. Kill all the white people and the people left, who have genetic diversity, can create white people again (even if it takes a while).


So no, the one race isn't "human", it's Negro... or even better, African.

Peace,

Quentin

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149. "True point indeed!"
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I dig ya'.
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164. "Sounds like..."
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the two of you (DeRaye Mustafa & Cued) are cosigning the science of grafting, is this true? On this note...

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“True racism exists only when one group holds a disproportionate share of wealth and power over another group (or groups) then uses those resources to marginalize, exploit, and subordinate Blacks. Whites can deny Blacks employment, educational opportunities, business resources, a place to live & or the right to vote. Therefore, according to this definition, Black people cannot be racist. No group of Blacks has the power or the exclusive control of resources to the degree that they can educationally, politically, economically and socially exploit and marginalize the white race.” – Dr. Claud Anderson

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167. "RE: Sounds like..."
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Grafting is not a science, it's a fairytale for weak minded fools.

  

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168. "RE: Sounds like..."
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...it's a genetic fact. I won't say that a man named Yacub actually grafted the white man from the black, but do your study on genetics (dominate and recessive genes) along with the study of human history and you'll find that the first human being came Africa and that's it's more than possible for people of a lighter skin tone to come from a people of a dark skin tone. Not the other way around. It's genetics. Not fantasy. And not grafting.
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169. "Another quick detour..."
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because I'm aware that this is not the premise of this post/discussion. With that being said, if its not grafting, then what would you call it, Eugenics? On this note...

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170. "God's plan"
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171. "*Smiles, while listening to "Sanctuary" by Miles Davis*"
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I concur w/your assessment! On this note...

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173. "RE: *Smiles, while listening to "Sanctuary" by Miles Da"
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There are those - and I am not included in their number - who believe that blacks evolved into a more advanced species of homosapien.

  

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185. "RE: Sounds like..."
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Ya know, I heard about that when I was... 20... listening to one of the most beautiful and vibrant sistas I have ever met. She was a recently converted Five Percenter. To be honest, religions make me go blank, except I LOVE the mysticism of all religions.

Anyway, it wasn't until I read _Existentia Africana_ that I found that little (but HUGE) kernal of truth and I was overjoyed.

Lesson: There's truth in most everything.

And there I was, thinking she was a fanatic and wondering why she would subscribe to any religion that sought to break her down and make her submissive. Yes, I had a crush on her. A BIG OL' crush. But I was very in that place of letting women know that my primary attractions were towards male-oriented humans. (convoluted enough? But there is a reason for me to say it like that, but I digress... you can inbox me if you really wanna know)

So... I did nothing but watch her be beautiful and tell me these stories and like a chump, say nothing.

I might've seen her once after that summer. When she realized I played for the other team, her smile was never as open. Felt shitty, but dat's life, folks!

peace,

Q

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** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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48. "RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!"
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ok, but then by that definition you are calling white people as a whole, racist. because it is the government, it is cops, it is society as a whole holding down the black race. but his definition is speaking on a more relevant level, person to person. and thats what we are, individuals. so by his definition, an individual black person can indeed be racist. this isnt debateable, black people dont only live in america. in africa, one group of black people can easily oppress another. what would you call that? both groups are black, but they are different economicaly and culturaly. so what you are describing can be the case for many groups around the world, it doesnt have to be based on race. thats just the case in america. i dont know, im sure ill learn more as my life progresses, and there are many definitions of racism, but understand, there are also many different types, and not all of them involve society as a whole.
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101. "RE: Emphatically Now Cipher!"
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>ok, but then by that definition you are calling white people
>as a whole, racist. because it is the government, it is
>cops, it is society as a whole holding down the black race.
>but his definition is speaking on a more relevant level,
>person to person. and thats what we are, individuals. so by
>his definition, an individual black person can indeed be
>racist. this isnt debateable, black people dont only live in
>america. in africa, one group of black people can easily
>oppress another. what would you call that? both groups are
>black, but they are different economicaly and culturaly. so
>what you are describing can be the case for many groups
>around the world, it doesnt have to be based on race. thats
>just the case in america. i dont know, im sure ill learn
>more as my life progresses, and there are many definitions
>of racism, but understand, there are also many different
>types, and not all of them involve society as a whole.
>peace


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62. "why niggaz always trying to teach the DEVIL?"
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whats the point...you duty is to teach the babies..he aint a baby. now cipher on that!

  

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64. "Peace BlackMan, do me favor..."
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please do not refer to me as a nigga!

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178. "dont do that"
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DONT CALL PEOPLE OUT THERE NAMES

UMMM YEAH BUT WHY CUZ ITS YA DUTY BROTHER
U FORGOT O SOMETHING

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30. "RE: your response..."
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and there in lies the problem

people want to break shit down to a t

we (especially you) are stuck in a quagmire of "exactness"

in doing so more focus is based on the goobly gook defined by some fat bellied european (u know i had to throw that shit in there right:) and at the same time less focus-(negation) is based on facts shaped by REALITY


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Wrong. The reality is that there ARE black people who believe whites are inferior, and that is racist. Period.

  

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33. "RE: your right"
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YOU ARE INFERIOR TO ME

but i still luv you snow flake

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68. "*LOL* and *claps* N/M"
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"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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78. "RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M"
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hey, what does n/m stand for or mean? i've always wondered that.

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87. "RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M"
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no message

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90. "RE: *LOL* and *claps* N/M"
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and once again, ppl i admire in these boards make their point across in great class! jenjuice, cued, thank God we have you around.

PEACE

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66. "RE: your response..."
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See, I was agreeing with you until now, Paul. I believe blacks as well as anybody else has the capabilities to be racist. I think that this remains merely a possibility, a hypothesis, because I'm not sure how many people truly believe that whites are inferior. That is, there many, such as your man in here, that'll scream the rhetoric of inherent white inferiority, and even though there are certain documented manifestations of particular weaknesses on behalf of anglos (i.e., biologically--recessive genes, prone to diseases, etc.), I'm not sure how many of these actually believe the thought that whites are inferior. I happen to believe that much of the NOI movement and various other ideologies that espouse white evilness or inferiority are borne out of a feeling of over-compensation and bravado as opposed to analysis and deep-rooted belief. Therefore, I'd say that while we have the capabilities to be as racist as anybody, especially as people of color are empowered in different fashions worldwide, for the most part we cannot be racist because we are still overly concerned with the rhetorical parts of racism and not the actual systematic manifestations of it. In other words, we want to look militant, yet we really don't have the experience and expertise or even the mindstate being oppressors like white folks do. It's a skill, I imagine.

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I was Hip Hop b4 Hip Hop had rules.

Pure is my thought
Much purer is my heart


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>goobly gook defined by some fat bellied european

LMAO! *Spits ice tea*

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3. "where'd you get"
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that definition? From Webster's white man's dictionary? Of course, you're conditioned to go by white man's definitions. You've been brainwashed into acceptin' their ideology as absolute truth in order to protect yourselves.

  

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What definition of "racism" do you use, Freeman? Definitions are not objective. This would be like me saying to a Frenchman "Oui? Oh, I see - you're using the French Man's dictionary. MY definition of "oui" is "cantelope"." It's fucking ridiculous - it's not the white man's dictionary - IT'S THE FUCKING ENGLISH DICTIONARY YOU STUPID JACKASS!

  

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6. "Whats the point of this post"
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Whats the point of this post. You know there are some Blacks that hate Whites, and there are sure as hell alot of whites thats hate. Thats not the issue. The issue is we live under a system that favors whites and the expense of people of color, and this is coming from a white man.

  

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7. "RE: Whats the point of this post"
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Your posts remind me how stupid teenagers are

  

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8. "RE: Whats the point of this post"
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>Whats the point of this post. You know there are some Blacks
>that hate Whites, and there are sure as hell alot of whites
>thats hate. Thats not the issue. The issue is we live under
>a system that favors whites and the expense of people of
>color, and this is coming from a white man.

Listen whitey, you're probably the only dipshit here who doesn't know the point of this post. This has been an ongoing point of contention between myself and some others on the board. Many people here assert that black people CAN NOT be racist, that there is not ONE racist black person in America, because they don't have power. I am illustrating - by posting the very definition of the word - that power is irrelevant when deciding who is or isn't racist. Try and follow the bouncing ball for chrissakes.

  

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10. "Ooh... this oughta be entertaining"
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11. "Seriously"
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>Listen whitey, you're probably the only dipshit here who
>doesn't know the point of this post. This has been an
>ongoing point of contention between myself and some others
>on the board. Many people here assert that black people CAN
>NOT be racist, that there is not ONE racist black person in
>America, because they don't have power. I am illustrating -
>by posting the very definition of the word - that power is
>irrelevant when deciding who is or isn't racist. Try and
>follow the bouncing ball for chrissakes.

I think you're actin' sensitive cos you're afraid your white privilege isn't as secure as you imagined it to be. And again, power is very much a part of the equation. Why be worried 'bout a "racist" who can't act on his opinions? Whatever hate is only internalized. Nobody's hurtin' you Paul so stop shittin' in your pants.

  

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12. "RE: Seriously"
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That was a nice tactical retreat. And I don't give a chunk of flying fucking dogshit about "white priveledge" - I can stand on my own because of my obvious and imposing intellect. Though sometimes I envy you and your scapegoat safety-net. If me and the other cavedwellers lose our "white priveledge", can I borrow it?

LOL

  

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16. "RE: Seriously"
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>That was a nice tactical retreat. And I don't give a chunk
>of flying fucking dogshit about "white priveledge" -

Right, right. You only say that cos you haven't been to the other side of the fence. You're where you're at right now because of that "white" pass. Clearly, you have the intelligence and sense of a five year-old( and that's givin' you too much credit) and yet, even despite that, I'm sure you're livin' decently. Had you been born black, you'd be scrapin' toilets.

I can
>stand on my own because of my obvious and imposing
>intellect.

No, you stand only because of your white status. Had you been born into another race with that level of intellect, your ass wouldn't have made it past your first birthday.

  

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27. "RE: Seriously"
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"white Priveledge" "scapecoat"
-the average income for a black American is 61% less per year than the the average white income
-Whites are 5 times more likely than blacks to receives emergency clot-emergency-busting treatment for stroke
-Black levels of Unemployment have been roughtly twice those of whites since 1954
This may have little to do with your bullshit "rasicism" dissucusion, but comments like the one you made above piss me off. Yes we are priveledged. Deal with it Your a fuckin jack ass

  

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28. "RE: Seriously"
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A black man stole your girlfriend i bet.

  

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29. "RE: Seriously"
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You are 100% right. This has absolutely nothing to do with this post.

  

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32. "RE: Seriously"
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"the average income for a black American is 61% less per year than the the average white income"

DAMN

still?

even after ALL the more white people on welfare than black folk?

wow

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34. "RE: Seriously"
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Blacks make up 15 20 percent of the population do the math. Thats why I delt in percentages you fuckin idiot.

  

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35. "RE: dumb or dumber?"
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pick one

cuz i was agreeing with you you fucking idiot

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37. "RE: dumb or dumber?"
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Yeah im sorry dawg. you made a good point Paul is a jack ass

  

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38. "RE: dumb or dumber?"
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cool

BUT i don't think pauls a jack ass

HE'S REAL

and that's why i like him, because he doesn't play the complacement white boy-and i have nothing but admiration for people that do that...(that is play complacement)

your the bomb to me if you go agaisn't the grain

i'll take his over analytical bull shit any day over a white person agreeing with everything that's right from a "black perspective" all the time (not that there's anything wrong with that) but you know what im tryin to say

and although i don't agree with that mother fucker he DOES have some valid points, plus a shit load of wit which makes him O.K in my book..


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41. "RE: dumb or dumber?"
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But the majority of white boys share his opinion. Not only do they follow his definition of racism, but they refuse to accept knowledge from Blacks. So, he isn't going against the grain. He's a regular Joe white Boy.

  

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44. "RE: he's going agaisn't the grain"
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from what i see HERE in the activist department

the majority of white people (from what i see on this message board) if they share similar views w/joey aren't THAT verbose and blatant as HE is.

if you want to accuse him of refusing to accept knowledge from blacks, you might as well accuse me, yourself, and any other black person that disagree's with him for the same thing..

i.e:"not accepting knowledge from whites"

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45. "RE: he's going agaisn't the grain"
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>if you want to accuse him of refusing to accept knowledge
>from blacks, you might as well accuse me, yourself, and any
>other black person that disagree's with him for the same
>thing..
>
>i.e:"not accepting knowledge from whites"

But I admit to that. I don't want to accept any more than what I've already been brainwashed with (in primary, secondary, junior/senior high, and in college). I don't hide behind some politically correct front.

And now, I'm movin' beyond the boards and into reality:

If someone clearly has issues acceptin' knowledge from Blacks, I want them to say it out loud for the world to hear. I mean, what's so obvious/blatant to us is the last thing to be noticed by *insert any white person's name".

  

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46. "RE: *nods head*"
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>But I admit to that. I don't want to accept any more than what >I've already been brainwashed with (in primary, secondary, >junior/senior high, and in college). I don't hide behind some >politically correct front.

but why is it brain washed?

can you honestly say that ALL the information you received was for the betterment of the white race/belittlement of the black mind, non factual/genuine?

>And now, I'm movin' beyond the boards and into reality:

>If someone clearly has issues acceptin' knowledge from Blacks, >I want them to say it out loud for the world to hear. I mean, >what's so obvious/blatant to us is the last thing to be noticed >by *insert any white person's name".

what is this knowledge?

or are you speaking in terms of knowledge based on "racial issues"?

from what OR who's perspective should it be deemed correct, and why?

p. i DO see what your saying, and to some extent agree)

i just need a lil more elaboration, flex your brain muscle's and impress m

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36. "ABOUT MIKE DEF'S #34"
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Interestingly enough, that had nothing to do with the post either. You wanna post about your favorite Creed album next, geek?

  

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40. "RE: ABOUT MIKE DEF'S #34"
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neither does this

shut up

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69. "RE: Seriously"
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Dude,

You are SOOOOOOOOO far away from being anywhere NEAR intelligent!

*lol*

You are using a dictionary... a _dictionary_! to make a statement about reality.

*shakes head*

You are the otherside of intelligent my friend. Sorry.

Dictionaries are best use to find the distinct differences between similar words, pronunciations, and etymology (which IS a science *shakes head*). Does it exist in reality? No. Is it going to favor those who "won" in the history books? Yes. Is it impartial and objective? No. It's a dictionary and you have to use it like a dictionary. It is a _TOOL_ not the machine.

Your privilege allows you to write the stupid shit you wrote in here without thinking twice about how dumb you truly appear.

People of color cannot be racist because they don't have the power to implement any race prejudice they have.

That doesn't mean people of color can't be prejudiced. It doesn't mean people of color can't be bigots. And it sure as hell doesn't mean we can't be rude. But it does me we can't oppress you the way you and your brethren and sistern (heh) can oppress us at any given time under any circumstances.

Take, for example, years ago when Susan Smith drowned her children. On her word, in South Carolina that summer, they searched high and low for the Black man who kidnapped and drowned her children. They even got some poor joker to confess to it. Then they found out she did it.

Does this mean that Susan Smith hated Black people? Not necessarily. But she did have the power to direct attention away from herself and onto Black men and have people believe her, even find someone to confess to it, while she committed the crime herself.

Racism is a system. It isn't a collection of ill will or feelings. It is like a machine and it has parts to it and it is fueled. It is fueled by people like you who can't own to their part in perpetuating it and people like me who don't always fight it as hard as they can when it is crushing their backs.

So there, I have said what I think you are really after. Yes, not all Black people like white people. Yes, some of us, even rightfully, think of ourselves as being superior to white folks. Yes, some of us want nothing to do with buckras. (a word I am learning to love) However, do people of color have the power to be believed _at their word_ like Susan Smith? While the example of Susan Smith picks up institutionally, what gets me is how her word was believed without doubt. Never in my life have I uttered a word to these selfsame institutions without my word being challenged and 'buked. Yet, a white woman, a white person, can say, "A Black man kidnapped my chill'un and drown'd them!" and be believed.

Think on it and come up to being as intelligent as you say.

Peace,

Quentin

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132. "RE: Seriously"
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i read most the posts on here and i think this one really breaks down the differences of racism, bigotry, prejudice and hatred.
i am wonderin why it hasn't been responded to yet.
i'm not smart like all y'all people, but i pride myself in being fairly open minded, but not to the extent of accepting whatever someone will tell me.
so i don't know, maybe i'm off on my opinion of this post, but i thought it was well put
peace
w/love
dave

i don't want to do this

  

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96. "RE: Seriously"
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I can
>stand on my own because of my obvious and imposing
>intellect.

LOL!!! BWAHAAAHAAAAA!! *wiping tears from eyes*
Paul you funnier than Chris Rock....nah nah nah Cedric. You funnier than Cedric the Entertaina nigga.
Yeah Paul you my nigga
peaces
lolol!!!


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9. "RE: where'd you get"
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>What definition of "racism" do you use, Freeman?

Seriously, how many times am I gonna have to define this for you until you see the light?

Racism=institutionalized racism. And IR is the only form of racism that we need to be concerned with.


>Definitions are not objective.

But it is. Which is the reason why it is okay for me to use words like "nigga" or "nip". On the other hand, your use of these words would carry on a new meaning of hate.

This would be like me saying
>to a Frenchman "Oui? Oh, I see - you're using the French
>Man's dictionary. MY definition of "oui" is "cantelope"."
>It's fucking ridiculous - it's not the white man's
>dictionary - IT'S THE FUCKING ENGLISH DICTIONARY YOU STUPID
>JACKASS!

You're takin' this out of context as you usually do in your desparate attempt to prove your sorry-ass case. Racism is not as simple a word as "oui". It takes on different meanings, depending on which side of the power structure you're on. And of course, the exploiter will define racism in a way that would help him achieve his ends.

  

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14. "RE: where'd you get"
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True - like how right now you're exploiting the history of your people to warp the definition of a word. Pathetic, but typical. Why not just say "institutional racism" if you mean "institutional racism" and not "racism"? At least by extention you are admitting that by every definition of "racism" in every English Dictionary in the world black Americans CAN BE RACIST. Good - you're making progress. PM me if you'd like some help making more.

  

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21. "RE: where'd you get"
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>True - like how right now you're exploiting the history of
>your people to warp the definition of a word.

How am I exploiting the history of my people? While history provides a prime example to state my case, I didn't even mention history in my reply. I specifically pointed my finger at the modern day institutions that uphold white privilege.

And whatever words I threw into the discussion are defined according to its modern context.


Pathetic, but
>typical.

Indeed. You are pathetically typical. But I don't expect you to be any different.

Why not just say "institutional racism" if you
>mean "institutional racism" and not "racism"? At least by
>extention you are admitting that by every definition of
>"racism" in every English Dictionary in the world black
>Americans CAN BE RACIST. Good - you're making progress. PM
>me if you'd like some help making more.

Did you not read my reply, you illiterate gump? I said the definitions set by Websters lack no depth. That said, your argument lacks any real value because it is supported by illegitimate sources.

  

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22. "RE: where'd you get"
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R i i i i g h t. The dictionary is an illegitimate source for the definition of words. Don't you have any sense of the ridiculous? Isn't there ever a voice in your head that says "WAIT - even I can't say something this fucking stupid!"

LOL



  

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Just when I thought you crawled back under the stones, you caught a second wind.

>R i i i i g h t. The dictionary is an illegitimate source
>for the definition of words.

Don't you know by now that some words have solid definitions while others are malleable dependin' on its time/space?

History books give an example of this. What's recorded as fact is debateable which is why history is constantly bein' redefined.

Don't you have any sense of
>the ridiculous?

Of course junior. I see it in you.

Isn't there ever a voice in your head that
>says "WAIT - even I can't say something this fucking
>stupid!"

You only think it's stupid because you piss and quake anytime someone(especially a Black person) doesn't define life according to your hare-brained ways.

  

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25. "Jackpot."
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"You only think it's stupid because you piss and quake anytime someone(especially a Black person) doesn't define life according to your hare-brained ways."

I agree. Now that he's found out, I bet he's gonna be a little cranky.

  

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70. "RE: where'd you get"
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Hon,

Stop arguing with him. It's pointless. While Jen agrees with his method, I see through it.

He wants to be validated for hating Black people because they're Black and being a racist. He wants racism to be universalized instead of particularized so that he can be guilt-free. This whole discussion and his responses stem out of a basic non-want to be/feel guilty, which is great! It truly is. His racial formation level is probably at a 2. Aware that racism exists, but he would like to go back to pre-knowledge where he believed all things were equal and while the world was pro-white, it didn't necessarily mean anti-Black, thus escaping seeing himself and his people whole. You can't change this. You can do nothing but exhaust yourself trying to get blood from a turnip and, honestly, it ain't none of your concern. You can't "explain" to someone who already has their mind made up. You can't plead to the senses of one who has already made her mind up to hate, perpetuate, and benefit. You just can't. No use trying. A waste of your precious mind and insight which would be better used on your brothas and sistas.

Peace,

Quentin

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72. "RE: where'd you get"
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heay cued

SOMEBODY gotso agree with the white bo

but on a serious note, i think that's just WHO HE IS

i don't expect him to bend over back wards for me because im black and he's white and HIS kind done MY kind wrong for hundreds of years...

i don't agree with what he says and THAT'S it...and just bc he has a difference of opinion im not going to label him a jackass because he doesn't deliver his message the way "black people" want him to..

but you DO have a point, i see your concern, and i respect your comments.peace

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73. "RE: where'd you get"
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Jen,

>SOMEBODY gotso agree with the white bo

Why? That's some slave mentality if I ever heard some! No onehas to agree with anyone -- especially if you don't really agree. Then you're just perpetuating... what, ignorance, racism, etc., it's a grab-bag, really. I'm sure you were raised to validate yourself and to be grounded if necessary which could mean getting told you were wrong. Why should be be treated special? Cuz he white?



>but on a serious note, i think that's just WHO HE IS

Mmmmhmmm

>i don't expect him to bend over back wards for me because im
>black and he's white and HIS kind done MY kind wrong for
>hundreds of years...

I don't expect it either because most of them will tell you with a mouth butter wouldn't melt in how much they like OUR kind and how that was THEIR ancestors not THEM, despite profiting from it. Or they might get bold and tell you that their family owned slaves and dare you to speak on it as you wonder why the fuck they felt they needed to offer that information.

But you know, that's the real world. I don't expect much, to be quite honest. But this is the cyber-world and this is OkayPlayer and you know what? I don't expect to come onto this board and see this kind of racist bullshit. I really, honestly don't. This whole post is wrong in more ways than I can count. From the way it was implemented to the way it was defended. I like to call this style of argumentation "King of the Hill." What happens is the orginal person asserts a position and everyone who comes up the hill is shot with a gun. Gun = senseless death, no reasoning with a gun.

King of the fucking hill.

>i don't agree with what he says and THAT'S it...and just bc
>he has a difference of opinion im not going to label him a
>jackass because he doesn't deliver his message the way
>"black people" want him to..

I _called_ him a jackass (it was no lable at all) because he is one. All "king of the hill" argumentation is that of jackasses with insecurity anxieties. But there are other problems with what you are attributing to me which I don't like. It has nothing to do with "black people" because I am not presenting myself as a racial entity. Secondly, it has nothing to do with him puppeting the words I want to hear. That's slam insulting. However, he is a jackass (=mule=stubborn and/or ="not bright") because he attributed "code" with alphabetizing instead of what the orginal author meant and intended. Jackass. He asserts his superiority (internalized racial superiority) and his intelligence, but he's really: 1) playing king of the hill and 2) wanting validation for hating Black people, a la "It's okay if I hate niggers because niggers hate me. Wait! That isn't racism!!!"

Why should I, you, or anyone have time for that?

Peace,

Quentin

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76. "RE: hhmmm"
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1. the smiley face at the end of my first sentence is usually an indication of me NOT BEING SERIOUS

note: i was joking when i said someone has to agree with the white boy...BUT if you read any of the post btwn me and paul you would KNOW that i NEVER agreed with him, x'cept for one thing

2. I AM serious when i say i don't think pauls a jack ass though

3. why do you care about what I think of him?

he may be a racist son of a bitch-and he'll still be cool to me if he doesn't hide that, because i know exactly WHAT im dealing with

4. you say that no one has to agree, BUT it seems as though you desperately want me to hop on that bandwagon

5. what yt' thinks of black people is NOT that serious to me
why do you hold what he says to suh value?

6. and bc of #5 i can disagree with him on a different level without the addition of reverting the victimized negro role, (not saying that that's what you or anyone else is doing, im just stating)

7. ok activist are real people hiding behind cyber identity, art imitates life, i consider this a macrocosm of the "real world"

8. im out..

peace

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88. "I have no real comments except:"
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what you stated on 4:

I don't give a _fuck_ where you hop.
Just don't get cute in my face and expect me to
shine teeth back because I am not like that.

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127. "RE: *looks around*"
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the fuck you talking bout?

and i'll leave it at THAT...

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13. "RE: where'd you get"
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i used to dislike you but i think i love you now.

  

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17. "uh oh..."
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backpedaling.....

  

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118. "RE: where'd you get"
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if your intent is to enlighten others, then you might want to lay off the namecalling, as it serves only to make you sound as though you think youre better than everyone else and put other people on the defensive, which is counterproductive to that which i would think youre trying to acheive

just a thought...

peace

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181. "wow..."
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your ignorance is not only as deep as it is wide...it's arrogant as well. that's not so good.

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15. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Paul,

We cannot be racist. Give it up! How can you tell me? Rascism is based on a superiority complex.

"Keep It Movin"

  

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20. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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No, it's not. Read the definition.

  

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18. "This post produced in coordination with..."
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IGNORANCE.

Peace.

  

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39. "RE: of ONE MORE"
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you stated

race is

1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

so am i racist if i believe that white people and black people have different abilities?

i.e: athletic abilit williams sister's are kicking ass)...

your second DEFINTION for racism was discrimination

which according to my dictionary states:

1.Treatment or consideration based on class or category rather than individual merit; partiality or prejudice

you than said something about racism not being based on power well according to YOUR dictionary and MINE to "discriminate" you have to be in a certain POSITION (which gives you POWER over other individuals) in order for this act to administered

is it not power to turn someone down for a job because of discrimination?

if not, than what would you call it?

many black people aren't in the position to DO this..

you talk of self made definitions, but i see ALOT of self made applications on your part

so which definition for racism is correct or which are you speaking of exactly?

a)1
b)2
3)both

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55. "RE: of ONE MORE"
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Are you saying that no black person in American history has ever owned a business and given a job to a brother instead of a white man?

  

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67. "RE: of ONE MORE"
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>Are you saying that no black person in American history has >ever owned a business and given a job to a brother instead of a >white man?

im not saying that at ALL

but can YOU give me ANY examples where a white person was turned down for a position because of his color..

better yet, how many WHITE people seek position's in black owned businesses...

than get back to me...peace

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109. "RE: of ONE MORE"
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>but can YOU give me ANY examples where a white person was
>turned down for a position because of his color..

-----

My white friend wanted to get a part time job in a Chinese Takeaway coz he figured that he'd get nice greasy MSG Chinese food for free...

He got turned down...

I guess in a chinese restaurant, one would feel more comfortable being served by a chinese guy..




  

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43. "this can't be real"
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one book. just one good book could completely shut this discussion down.

get out of your own head.

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49. "RE: this can't be real"
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I'll offer an idea. Feagin's "Racist America." Just read it and learn.

What you think you know means jack shit.

I hate when people separate objective from reality.

  

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51. "RE: this can't be real"
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its funny how freeman disputes everytime paul makes a point in favor of whites...yet when jen makes a statement with similar sentiments he jumps on the biggest dick in the world.....accept knowledge from blacks....lol...thats funny....id accept knowledge from a black person anyday as long as theyre knowledgeable.....and as long as it isnt any one of these half- read- quick- to -jump (conclusions or dicks)ghetto scholars who have nothing better to do than complain about situations and circumstances...."butbutbut what about dis an dat and t'other???????"......awwww...shaddup!......its funny how USUALLY no post concerning race can be productive....on okayplayer....


feh!

Means
.
.

Long before a thermonuclear war can come about,

we have had to lay waste to our own sanity.

We begin with the children.

It is imperative to catch them in time.

Without the most thorough and rapid brain-washing

their dirty minds would s

  

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59. "RE: this can't be real"
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>its funny how freeman disputes everytime paul makes a point
>in favor of whites...

And that's somethin' I should be ashamed of? lol....you cmtfu.

yet when jen makes a statement with
>similar sentiments he jumps on the biggest dick in the
>world.....

Can you read? She never said she agreed with him. She stated that she respects him for his honesty.

accept knowledge from blacks....lol...thats
>funny....id accept knowledge from a black person anyday as
>long as theyre knowledgeable.....

Yes, you accept their knowledge so long as it doesn't put any blame on yourself or White America. Any coloured person who threatens your security loses credibility. That puts all pro-Blacks on your black list.

and as long as it isnt any
>one of these half- read- quick- to -jump (conclusions or
>dicks)ghetto scholars who have nothing better to do than
>complain about situations and circumstances...."butbutbut
>what about dis an dat and

A ghetto scholar? Now, you're really buggin'. That phrase alone made you lose any credibility you might of had.
And, complainin' and questionin' the way things are are foreign to you because you are blissfully ignorant in that Smallsville life of yours.

>t'other???????"......awwww...shaddup!......its funny how
>USUALLY no post concerning race can be productive....on
>okayplayer....

If that's the case, why are you here?

IMO, any discussions on race is productive.
If you have nothin' to bring to the table, do us all a favor and put a ball of fist in your mouth.

  

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56. "RE: this can't be real"
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>one book. just one good book could completely shut this
>discussion down.
>
I agree wholeheartedly. And that book is called The Dictionary.

  

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57. "that is some bullshit"
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not only that, it's some funny bullshit.

the dictionary, like everything else written, is historicized.
that means it came from a particular, time, place and conditions.

it was written, as is the language itself, to codify meanings of words, hence culture, hence reality.

if a dominant group develops the language and gives it meaning, they will only do so to justify their own existence. & to justify the methods that allow it. from that we will get a simple ahistorical definition of a word that, if further investigated, completely blows up their spot.

so, as useful as it is to those of us trapped by the english language, it would be completely ridiculous for us to give it the kind of authority you seem to.


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61. "RE: that is some bullshit"
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>the dictionary, like everything else written, is
>historicized.
>that means it came from a particular, time, place and
>conditions.

I agree. The time? Now. The place? Here. Dictionaries are updated and republished EVERY SINGLE YEAR.


>it was written, as is the language itself, to codify
>meanings of words, hence culture, hence reality.

Wrong. The codifying in this case is alphabatizing, which makes the definitions more accesible. The Dictionary was assembled to provide definitions for words that people (like you) don't understand.

>if a dominant group develops the language and gives it
>meaning, they will only do so to justify their own
>existence. & to justify the methods that allow it. from
>that we will get a simple ahistorical definition of a word
>that, if further investigated, completely blows up their
>spot.

Wrong. There is no justification of anything's existence in the Dictionary. This is such total bullshit I'm suprised you actually wrote it. If this is true, what is the word for someone who believes certain races are superior to others? Without a concrete set of definitions words entirely lose their meaning and become intangible things subject to the whims of fools like you. And could you please explain to me how the definition of "racism" justifies the existence of white people? LOL


  

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71. "Jackass"
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You totally mis-understood what he meant by "codify."

Funny, you speak about linguistics but know _NOTHING_ about it.

*rolls eyes*

What did they TEACH YOU in school???

____________


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75. "nah"
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i want to say he ain't misunderstand a damn thing, but that wouldn't be quite right.

either dude does not have the capacity to understand shit or he's running a serious game on us arguing the idea that the dictionary determines how people understand reality.

& i'm not talking about the meanings of words cuz that is important. but they're tools & can be controlled.
contoured, even.

either way this crazy fuckin line of thinking has to be a joke.
i'm gon have to bow out of keeping mr. paul entertained.


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50. "Paul Nice=schitt stain on humanity"
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<read with Texas accent,please>

I reckon
call me what you want...by any definition and it won't matter to me paul nice, cuz you's 1 simple minded white man.

You must be some kind of a freak...the way you like to have soul bruthas and soul sistas hand you yr empty head on a daily basis.

what do they call that in yr "honkie' dictionary, boy?
sadomasochist?
sadochist?
massengil?

whatever the word is, y'know what I mean...don'tcha ho?

s.blak
i'ont even like akkin' like that

keep: looking,searching,seeking,finding

  

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53. "It's all about power"
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Actually, folks are not angry about the word racism. They are angry about power and the psychological effects of how racism is used to generate/maintain power. The dictionary does not define racism in context. It's the surrounding circumstances that give this word power. When people have the power to act on their prejudices to the point of conditioning, controlling or dominating the lives of others, then we are beyond the basic definition(s).

It's not as simple as stating that people hate or judge others based on differences. When hate is transformed to suffering we are talking about another level. We are talking about psychology, not terminology or etymology. We are talking about the ability to create reality. Everyone has the power to create their reality but we are surrounded by circumstances that threaten to destroy any sense of control we may have over our lives, esp. to feel safe, valuable and loved. When this is taken away because of race then we are no longer talking about what's in the dictionary.

In high school, I decided to stop using the word racism to describe what I experienced. I used the word imperialism, supremacy, manifest destiny, etc. My experience transcended race. It was about external power and my need to break my domestication that kept me enslaved by fear. It was never about a word but that word has the power to invade the mind, create energy, and thrive on fear and suffering. Talking about the word (racism) makes people upset and angry. They focus on the word or a simple definition without ever talking about the bigger picture. In the bigger picture, lots of people are talking but no one understands each other. This is what domestication or conditioning causes...fear and suffering.

What we really should be talking about is how to break away from the conditioning and create new realities. There is external power, the belief system we are conditioned with and there is internal power or the reality we create. Racism is just a part of the external form and freedom is just a part of the internal. Racism as a word in a dictionary has no meaning for me. It does not describe my experience and it no longer controls my reality.

For me (from my corner), the next step is creating opportunities for others to break free and create their own realities despite what is going on externally. Maybe if more people break away from the external, there will be less reason to fear or suffer.


<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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60. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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the word has been re-defined... look at who wrote the dictionary and look at how much has happened to re-shape the word since.
One paragraph will never be enough to define racism.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

  

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65. "superiority = power"
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n/m

  

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74. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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racism is an aspect of capitalism. racism isn't limited to skin colour. strange enough but I've never seen racist children. Racism is taught.

  

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77. "dictionary definition is not relevent..."
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considering that the dictionary is one of the most racist pieces of literature every printed....there's a book by a friend of mine named Dr. Firpo Carr called Wicked Words: Poisened minds....this book details the origins of more then just words, but the origins of the definitions of these words...the dictionary has historiclly been one of the major tools to promote white supremacy and black inferiority ever.....

Paul....chunk the dictionary away if your trying to prove anything having to do with race...

  

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182. "well done! n/m"
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-

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80. "Hey Paulie:Black vs. White Racism"
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Lets assume I accept your blacks can be racist

What are the effects of Black racism vs. White Racism

(and please come with something better than somebody called me cave-boy)

  

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82. "RE: Hey Paulie:Black vs. White Racism"
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Wait a second... Is this an intelligent post? AND I DIDN'T POST IT?!! Apart from the fact that blacks commit 20% of all hate crimes (according to a 1998 justice dept. survey) while only making up about 13% of the population - which means they commit more racist hate crimes per capita than whites - the negative effects of black racism are minor, and totally insignificant when compared with the effects of white racism on society. The problem is that more and more blacks believe it's okay to be racist (the dictionary definition), which will only serve to hurt them in the end. And if they ever become, as a people, self sufficient, and gain a long-overdue modicum of power, then black racism will hurt whomsoever they deem inferior.


This, of course, is besides the point. My point is that black people can be racist - a point made obvious by the many black racists who regularly post on this site, not to mention the very definition of the word. I ONLY made this post in the first place because this board is chock-full of black racist hypocrites.

  

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86. "RE: Hey Paul...Are you serious?"
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Apart from the fact that blacks commit 20% of
>all hate crimes (according to a 1998 justice dept. survey)
>while only making up about 13% of the population - which
>means they commit more racist hate crimes per capita than
>whites -

lol
Cause I sure can't take you serious.

*From now on I will harass ALL posts you make*
thank you
and that is all
peaces

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89. "RE: Hey Paul...Are you serious?"
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>lol
>Cause I sure can't take you serious.

Of course you can't. You and most of the other angry dipshits on this thread refuse to believe anything that doesn't fit into your narrow and fictional idea of how the world is. Why don't you try pulling a contrary statistic out of your ass, geek. I didn't make that shit up - YOU make shit up; I bring facts and figures, references and statistics, definitions and an indefatiguable intellect.


>*From now on I will harass ALL posts you make*
>thank you
>and that is all
>peaces

In case you haven't noticed, donkey, EVERYBODY harasses all the posts I drop. And you, being a know-nothing dickhead who brings ZERO to the table, need to learn from MFreeman and Sherron, 2 of the very few folks on this spot who can hang with me in an argument.

  

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91. "I guess your not serious"
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Cause your a joke Paul.
You take your stats and statistics too seriously.
And by the way I ain't trying to hang with you foolio. I don't hang with intellectual wannabes gassed up by their pseudo intelligence. We are not on a debate team and I'm not hear to put you up or down home skillet. Just letting you know that you're the one being narrow minded.
Statistics are great and errythang, but we all know what's right and wrong. Statistics and numbers will not distract me from seeing what's RIGHT & WRONG!! you're on here cursing and chirping about some bull shit that no one can hang wit you on an arguement, but nobody gives a FUCK. It's the internet dawg, get a life.

Funny thang iz 99% of people who talk all this intellectual and statistical shit on here wouldn't have SHIT to say in a real face to face open discussion. Most of you (Paul) couldn't formulate questions and ideas in a real round table discussion.
Socially retarted folks like yoself need some getright...keep yo game tight
peaces upon you Paul

I was Hip Hop b4 Hip Hop had rules.

Pure is my thought
Much purer is my heart


PeaceShine

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95. "lol...."
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thanks for the shout-out. Now go back to crackin' corn.


  

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97. "Just the facts."
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>Why don't you try pulling a contrary statistic
>out of your ass, geek.

According to the American Psychological Association, "By far the largest determinant of hate crimes is racial bias, with African Americans the group at greatest risk. In 1996, 4,831 out of the 7,947 such crimes reported to the FBI, or 60%, were promulgated because of race, with close to two-thirds (62%) targeting African Americans. Furthermore, the type of crime committed against this group has not changed much since the 19th century; it still includes bombing and vandalizing churches, burning crosses on home lawns, and murder."

http://www.apa.org/pubinfo/hate/

In 1998, the FBI received 7,755 reports of hate crime incidents. Of these, over 68% were crimes against persons, and 31%were crimes against property.

Offenses against African Americans constituted 67% of all race-based hate crimes, followed by offenses against whites (18%), Asians/Pacific Islanders (7%), and American Indians/Alaskan Natives (1%).

Of all known hate crime offenders in 1998, 66% were white, 17% were African-American, 5% were multiracial persons, 2% were Asian/Pacific Islander, and less than 1% were American Indian/Alaskan Native.

Overall, the percentage of anti-black hate crimes increased from 35.5% in 1991 to 38.7% in 1998. In the same period, anti-white hate crimes decreased steadily as a percent of all hate crimes from 20.3% in 1992 to 10.7% in 1998, after growing between 1991 and 1992 by nearly 2 percentage points.

African Americans represented 17% of all hate crime offenders in 1991. This jumped to 41% of all offenders in 1992, the year of the civil unrest in Los Angeles, and then steadily decreased back to 17% in 1998. The percentage of hate crime offenders who were white nearly doubled over the period, from 36.8% in 1991 to 66.4% in 1998.

http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/factsheet/hate_crimes_factsheet.htm

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc97all.pdf


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HoChi, I have never asserted that blacks commit more hate crimes than whites. Thus the use of the term "per capita".

  

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A hate crime is a devil not giving a brother a job just because he is a brother. Was that included in the Justice Department's study?

  

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>Wait a second... Is this an intelligent post? AND I DIDN'T
>POST IT?!! Apart from the fact that blacks commit 20% of
>all hate crimes (according to a 1998 justice dept. survey)
>while only making up about 13% of the population - which
>means they commit more racist hate crimes per capita than
>whites -

Wow, you really are clueless. Don't you know by now that hate crimes against blacks go unnoticed? White hate crime isn't even recorded. In fact, it's fucking legalized by the popo.

  

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>Wow, you really are clueless. Don't you know by now that
>hate crimes against blacks go unnoticed? White hate crime
>isn't even recorded. In fact, it's fucking legalized by the
>popo.

I'd say that the opposite is true. Everybody hears about the white guys that dragged that black guy behind their pickup, but nobody hears about the black guys who did the EXACT same thing to a white guy in Illinois. It's so un-PC to mention black racism that the media's petrified to even acknowledge its existence.

  

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>I'd say that the opposite is true. Everybody hears about
>the white guys that dragged that black guy behind their
>pickup, but nobody hears about the black guys who did the
>EXACT same thing to a white guy in Illinois. It's so un-PC
>to mention black racism that the media's petrified to even
>acknowledge its existence.

Dude.....what's it gonna take for you to realize that hate crimes against colored folks are committed everyday? The only time it gets noticed is when the shit gets caught on tape (Ex: Donovan Jackson).

And, it's un-PC to mention "black racism"(whatever the hell this is)? If that's the case, why did the media light a match under Farrakhan's ass?

The media loves to address hate crimes committed against white folks, which explains why 9-11 was a huge media hit.

  

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>Dude.....what's it gonna take for you to realize that hate
>crimes against colored folks are committed everyday?

As there are far more than 365 hate crimes committed against whites per year, they're comitted against whites everyday as well.

>The
>only time it gets noticed is when the shit gets caught on
>tape (Ex: Donovan Jackson).

That's bullshit. Was that dragging caught on tape?

>And, it's un-PC to mention "black racism"(whatever the hell
>this is)? If that's the case, why did the media light a
>match under Farrakhan's ass?

Because the media always jumps on anti-semitism, as it jumps all over anti-black hate crimes.

>The media loves to address hate crimes committed against
>white folks, which explains why 9-11 was a huge media hit.

I've gone from thinking you're just deluded to believing you're a fucking liar. And if you're trying to call the 9/11 attacks a racially motivated hate crime, then you need to read up on the reasons why they did what they did. You obviously do not comprehend the myriad issues that Muslim extremists have with the US gov't. And perhaps you dont know this - or don't care - but there were people of all races killed in that attack, dunny. Smarten up before you bring some weak shit like that. You know better.

  

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>As there are far more than 365 hate crimes committed against
>whites per year, they're comitted against whites everyday as
>well.

Okay then, if the number of hate crimes against whites is that great, can you personally give me some names of white folks who have been hurt? I can give you a list of fifty, and I'm only one black person. My friend was killed. Another black person can add another ten to the list. Another can bring ten more to the table.

>>The
>>only time it gets noticed is when the shit gets caught on
>>tape (Ex: Donovan Jackson).
>
>That's bullshit. Was that dragging caught on tape?

Well even if it wasn't caught on tape, how do you know 'bout this dragging? By media sources, I suppose. And, I'm sure the blacks who dragged that man are serving time. And yet, police are authorized/paid to beat the shit outta blacks. Hate crime against blacks is institutionalized.

>Because the media always jumps on anti-semitism, as it jumps
>all over anti-black hate crimes.

Okay, let me get back to this line:

It's so un-PC to mention black racism that the media's petrified to even acknowledge its existence.

The reason why the media doesn't acknowledge black power groups(who according to your definition are racists because they advocate black supremacy) is because they'd threaten the white supremacy the media is designed to uphold. By now, I should have a talk show on nbc but of course I don't because the media doesn't want me to disseminate my views of black(coloured) superiority.

Isn't it fucked up that white racism is pc in media? Everytime I turn on the tv, I'm reminded that whites don't think coloured folks deserve representation on the screen.

>I've gone from thinking you're just deluded to believing
>you're a fucking liar. And if you're trying to call the
>9/11 attacks a racially motivated hate crime, then you need
>to read up on the reasons why they did what they did. You
>obviously do not comprehend the myriad issues that Muslim
>extremists have with the US gov't. And perhaps you dont
>know this - or don't care - but there were people of all
>races killed in that attack, dunny. Smarten up before you
>bring some weak shit like that. You know better.

It was more racially/politically motivated than you think. Y'see, I happened to watch the news when Usama's video first came out. They made the mistake of airing the video in its entirety. Usama clearly addressed the political motivations behind the attacks. He specified that the attack against the Twin Towers and Pentagon were an attack on white capitalism (that's tainting the Middle East) and white government(for its occupation of Palestine and Saudi Arabia). Of course, the media realized its mistake and edited the video, showing only parts that made him look like an incoherent lunatic, with the excuse that the edited parts were sending out subliminal messages. *cough*

  

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>Okay then, if the number of hate crimes against whites is
>that great, can you personally give me some names of white
>folks who have been hurt?

I personally have been jumped twice by a crowd of blacks, both times because I was white in a place which was mostly black. A great many of the people I know who are white have been attacked for the same reason and in the same fashion - of course it was only when they were alone.

>Well even if it wasn't caught on tape, how do you know 'bout
>this dragging? By media sources, I suppose.

You suppose wrongly, again. I had to google for that shit, because shit like that rarely makes the national news.

>The reason why the media doesn't acknowledge black power
>groups(who according to your definition are racists because
>they advocate black supremacy) is because they'd threaten
>the white supremacy the media is designed to uphold

On the contrary, giving voice to those groups would strengthen white authority, because it would expose the idiocy of such asinine movements.

>By now,
>I should have a talk show on nbc but of course I don't
>because the media doesn't want me to disseminate my views of
>black(coloured) superiority.

I would imagine it's more like the same reason they won't let David Duke have his own show - the networks need to keep up at least an appearance of some level of professionalism, and having a joke like you or Duke on would destroy that facade. Not to mention that all evidence - poverty levels, high school test scores, IQ test scores, average life span, the complete inability of any African nation to be self sufficient - argues against black superiority. Obviously taken in socioeconomic and historical context they don't argue for black inferiority either, but your arguments are few and far between, and would run contrary to any actual empirical evidence that exists.

>Isn't it fucked up that white racism is pc in media?
>Everytime I turn on the tv, I'm reminded that whites don't
>think coloured folks deserve representation on the screen.

You're like the most efficient bullshit factory in the world. Blacks make up over 18% of characters on prime-time television. Because they make up only 13% of the population, they are actually OVER represented.

>It was more racially/politically motivated than you think.
>Y'see, I happened to watch the news when Usama's video first
>came out. They made the mistake of airing the video in its
>entirety. Usama clearly addressed the political motivations
>behind the attacks. He specified that the attack against the
>Twin Towers and Pentagon were an attack on white capitalism
>(that's tainting the Middle East) and white government(for
>its occupation of Palestine and Saudi Arabia)

Could you please provide a link (non-black supremacist) to this funny theory you just made up?

LOL


  

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>I personally have been jumped twice by a crowd of blacks,
>both times because I was white in a place which was mostly
>black. A great many of the people I know who are white have
>been attacked for the same reason and in the same fashion -
>of course it was only when they were alone.

Y'know...I don't believe you. Why? Because I don't think you are so stupid as to take your white racist ass into an all-black environment. I have faith in your idiocy, but not that much. You have enuff sense to know that if you're within' ten feet of a black community, I or anyone else would whup your ass.

And point #2:
And if by chance you are even more stupid than I imagined and got your ass kicked, that's too minor to be considered a hate crime. Everyone gets jumped. It's not that big of a deal. I'd only be concerned if your ribs were cracked in two.

>You suppose wrongly, again. I had to google for that shit,
>because shit like that rarely makes the national news.

Actually, I don't believe this either. Why?

Point #1: I remember hearin' of this story. It happened in Texas or somethin'....And, I know for a fact that the black men involved were sentenced.

Point #2: I doubt you did a goggle search on "white boy victimization" or something related to that. Again, I don't think you're so stupid as to go out of your way doin' research on a topic as lame as this.

>On the contrary, giving voice to those groups would
>strengthen white authority, because it would expose the
>idiocy of such asinine movements.

Black power movements are far from being "asinine". They are based on educatin' Blacks of our rich history, culture, and place in politics. They have no mainstream voice because the white-dominated entertainment industry has nothing to gain from black empowerment.

>I would imagine it's more like the same reason they won't
>let David Duke have his own show - the networks need to keep
>up at least an appearance of some level of professionalism,
>and having a joke like you or Duke on would destroy that
>facade.

They need to maintain a level of professionalism? LOLOLOLOL. That's some funny shit, considering that shows like WWF, Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire, and other trashy shows get top ratings. Integrity is no longer an issue.

And, why is it that white racists like Bill O'Reilley have their own shows to showcase their backwardsass politics? You have to come up with a better argument cos this one has the runs.

Not to mention that all evidence - poverty levels,
>high school test scores, IQ test scores, average life span,
>the complete inability of any African nation to be self
>sufficient - argues against black superiority.

Africans? Or Black Americans?
Why aren't African nations self-sufficient? Because of western colonization. And get the fuck outta here with that low iq bullshit? Sopdet, Finespeaker, and a buncha other African scholars done schooled you on the great African civilizations.

Why do I advocate Black superiority? Because my people are responsible for creating rich traditions in history, politics, literature, music, art, dance, etc.

Superiority is not measured by all those instruments you measured. You seem to measure superiority by a group's ability to exploit/colonize. I don't go by that definition.

Can you honestly say that you are proud of your history? Do you love Thomas Jefferson in the same way I love Malcolm X? Do you have posters of Lincoln hangin' on your walls? I doubt it. We have a history of dynamic personalities (who struggled to secure rights for us) that are absent in white history.

And that's why I'm proud of bein' black.

Obviously
>taken in socioeconomic and historical context they don't
>argue for black inferiority either, but your arguments are
>few and far between, and would run contrary to any actual
>empirical evidence that exists.

OMG! *sends out bat signal* You can't be serious. What you said above clearly blew your cover.

>
>You're like the most efficient bullshit factory in the
>world. Blacks make up over 18% of characters on prime-time
>television. Because they make up only 13% of the
>population, they are actually OVER represented.

Damn, you just don't get it. All of the prime-time shows are in urban settings where Black folks are greater in number. I don't care if they're only 13% out of the entire American population. Montana may be 99% white but none of the shows are set there are they? The shows are concentrated in areas like Los Angeles or New York where minorities are the majority.

Not to mention, all the minority actors out there play Samboish roles that conform to the whitewashed system. Rather than tell the story of the minority experience, they are forced to play roles that don't challenge white supremacy.

>>It was more racially/politically motivated than you think.
>>Y'see, I happened to watch the news when Usama's video first
>>came out. They made the mistake of airing the video in its
>>entirety. Usama clearly addressed the political motivations
>>behind the attacks. He specified that the attack against the
>>Twin Towers and Pentagon were an attack on white capitalism
>>(that's tainting the Middle East) and white government(for
>>its occupation of Palestine and Saudi Arabia)
>
>Could you please provide a link (non-black supremacist) to
>this funny theory you just made up?
>
>LOL

It's not a theory. It's a fact. I tried to find a link, but couldn't. What's also interesting is that Usama, when addressing the list of white American atrocities, mentioned the heinous bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They were quick to edit that out becos they sure as hell didn't want him to look like he's making sense.

  

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>Y'know...I don't believe you. Why? Because I don't think you
>are so stupid as to take your white racist ass into an
>all-black environment. I have faith in your idiocy, but not
>that much. You have enuff sense to know that if you're
>within' ten feet of a black community, I or anyone else
>would whup your ass.

I dont care if you don't believe me. I had zero probs in that spot before or after. People were just pissed that a white kid was pulling their girls.

>And point #2:
>And if by chance you are even more stupid than I imagined
>and got your ass kicked, that's too minor to be considered a
>hate crime. Everyone gets jumped. It's not that big of a
>deal. I'd only be concerned if your ribs were cracked in
>two.

You wouldn't be concerned at all. I was physically assaulted because of the color of my skin, and was called various racial epithets throughout the encounter. If the colors were reversed, you'd be on here with a kleenex box, whining and bitching.

>Point #1: I remember hearin' of this story. It happened in
>Texas or somethin'....And, I know for a fact that the black
>men involved were sentenced.

No, it happened in Illinois. Nice guess, though.

>Point #2: I doubt you did a goggle search on "white boy
>victimization" or something related to that. Again, I don't
>think you're so stupid as to go out of your way doin'
>research on a topic as lame as this.

Yes, I am that stupid. And the reason I searched for it is because someone mentioned it on another website, and I didn't believe that it happened and no one reported it. I was wrong, like you.

>Black power movements are far from being "asinine".

Black supremacy movements ARE asinine.

>They are
>based on educatin' Blacks of our rich history, culture, and
>place in politics. They have no mainstream voice because the
>white-dominated entertainment industry has nothing to gain
>from black empowerment.

Is that why there are no blacks on MTV, VH1, BET, every pop and r&b radio station, every professional sport, and a whole slew of movies? - lol, you're funny.

>They need to maintain a level of professionalism? LOLOLOLOL.

You are twisting my words. I said an APPEARANCE of some LEVEL of professionalism. And I was referring specifically to news programs.

>And, why is it that white racists like Bill O'Reilley have
>their own shows to showcase their backwardsass politics?

I will agree with you that his being on television is a travesty.

>Africans? Or Black Americans?
>Why aren't African nations self-sufficient? Because of
>western colonization.

Yes, I know. That's why I said that "taken in socioeconomic and historical context, these facts don't argue for black inferiority". But they certainly don't argue for black superiority!

>Why do I advocate Black superiority? Because my people are
>responsible for creating rich traditions in history,
>politics, literature, music, art, dance, etc.

So are every people. Big deal.

>Superiority is not measured by all those instruments you
>measured. You seem to measure superiority by a group's
>ability to exploit/colonize. I don't go by that definition.

Neither do I. I wasn't arguing FOR the superiority of any race, I was arguing AGAINST the superiority of any race. Don't forget - you're the supremacist here, not me.

>Can you honestly say that you are proud of your history?

Yes I can.

>Do
>you love Thomas Jefferson in the same way I love Malcolm X?

No, I do not love Jefferson because he is a pop icon. I love him because he was a great philosopher, activist and revolutionary.

>Do you have posters of Lincoln hangin' on your walls?

No, I do not. Posters are corny as shit.

> I
>doubt it. We have a history of dynamic personalities (who
>struggled to secure rights for us) that are absent in white
>history.

You are apparently ignorant regarding American history.

>Damn, you just don't get it. All of the prime-time shows are
>in urban settings where Black folks are greater in number. I
>don't care if they're only 13% out of the entire American
>population. Montana may be 99% white but none of the shows
>are set there are they? The shows are concentrated in areas
>like Los Angeles or New York where minorities are the
>majority.

So, you don't like TV. Turn it off and READ SOMETHING. Regardless, blacks are overrepresented on television, so please stop whining.

>Not to mention, all the minority actors out there play
>Samboish roles that conform to the whitewashed system.
>Rather than tell the story of the minority experience, they
>are forced to play roles that don't challenge white
>supremacy.

Silly.

>It's not a theory. It's a fact. I tried to find a link, but
>couldn't

Surprise, surprise. Didn't see that one coming! LOL

. What's also interesting is that Usama, when
>addressing the list of white American atrocities, mentioned
>the heinous bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They were
>quick to edit that out becos they sure as hell didn't want
>him to look like he's making sense.

Suuuure he did. Hey you know what? I saw that too! Right at the end he said he was just kidding, and that he attacked the towers because he found "Queens Of Comedy" offensive and hates black people. Really. I'd hook you up with a link, but I can't seem to find one...

  

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Well, it's obvious to me that you're on the losing end of this debate as you have resorted to respondin' with weak one-liners and conveniently deletin' parts of my reply that you cannot argue against.

>You wouldn't be concerned at all. I was physically
>assaulted because of the color of my skin, and was called
>various racial epithets throughout the encounter. If the
>colors were reversed, you'd be on here with a kleenex box,
>whining and bitching.

Dude...if the roles were reversed, I woulda effortlessly whupped their collective frail asses.

>No, it happened in Illinois. Nice guess, though.

But they are now in prison, right?

On the other hand (like I mentioned repeatedly), those who commit hate crimes against blacks are backed by the government.


>Is that why there are no blacks on MTV, VH1, BET, every pop
>and r&b radio station, every professional sport, and a whole
>slew of movies? - lol, you're funny.

Oh fuck....so you are of the opinion that blacks only have the capacity to rap and play basketball? You're fully exposed now. Believe it or not, there are plenty of afrocentric blacks who are conscious of their history and culture and yet, they've yet to be repped on the screen because of their potential threat to institutionalized racism.

>You are twisting my words. I said an APPEARANCE of some
>LEVEL of professionalism. And I was referring specifically
>to news programs.

Yeah, like we should be really proud of our news programs Paul. They're so objective and go through a lot of trouble to present both sides of the story.

>Neither do I. I wasn't arguing FOR the superiority of any
>race, I was arguing AGAINST the superiority of any race.
>Don't forget - you're the supremacist here, not me.

Then why did you go out of your way to measure blacks accordin' to their i.q. and level of poverty? You're the one who veered into that direction.

No use tryin' to cover up your tracks now.

>>Do
>>you love Thomas Jefferson in the same way I love Malcolm X?
>
>No, I do not love Jefferson because he is a pop icon. I
>love him because he was a great philosopher, activist and
>revolutionary.

Good god. Now I know why you are the way you are. In case you didn't know, TJ was a racist bastard who hid behind a front of democracy while characterizing blacks as wild beasts incapable of intellect.

Please read David Walker's Appeal to the Coloured People of the World which documents TJ's views of blacks and the rationale behind his justification of slavery. It's only 100 pages and written in simple language so even a simp like you can comprehend.


>You are apparently ignorant regarding American history.

White America's history is tainted with centuries of colonization, exploitation, and oppression. What's there to be proud of. Even your musical traditions suck, which is why white america attempts to co-opt every black musical genre.

>So, you don't like TV. Turn it off and READ SOMETHING.
>Regardless, blacks are overrepresented on television, so
>please stop whining.

When I said coloured folks, I include Asians, Latinos, Middle Easterns, etc. Considering how large in number we are, we are disproportionately repped on tv.

>>Not to mention, all the minority actors out there play
>>Samboish roles that conform to the whitewashed system.
>>Rather than tell the story of the minority experience, they
>>are forced to play roles that don't challenge white
>>supremacy.
>
>Silly.

Yes, to you it's silly because this has nothing to do with you.

>. What's also interesting is that Usama, when
>>addressing the list of white American atrocities, mentioned
>>the heinous bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They were
>>quick to edit that out becos they sure as hell didn't want
>>him to look like he's making sense.
>
>Suuuure he did. Hey you know what? I saw that too! Right
>at the end he said he was just kidding, and that he attacked
>the towers because he found "Queens Of Comedy" offensive and
>hates black people. Really. I'd hook you up with a link,
>but I can't seem to find one...

Go do your own homework. Ever wonder why the Middle East, along with the rest of the world, wants to fry our ass? Ever wonder why Palestinians, post 9-11, paraded in the streets with Osama's head printed on their shirts? Think 'bout it. Clueless ass Americans are convinced that the world is with us, when they're not.

btw, wtf you studyin' in school?

  

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>But they are now in prison, right?

I would hope so. What's your point?

>Oh fuck....so you are of the opinion that blacks only have
>the capacity to rap and play basketball?

Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You said the ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ignored blacks. In a lifetime of idiotic statements, that one is up there in your top 300, somewhere.

>You're fully
>exposed now. Believe it or not, there are plenty of
>afrocentric blacks who are conscious of their history and
>culture and yet, they've yet to be repped on the screen
>because of their potential threat to institutionalized
>racism.

Nope. A people with no power and none in sight pose no threat. Go spout your looney theories anywhere you wish.

>>You are twisting my words. I said an APPEARANCE of some
>>LEVEL of professionalism. And I was referring specifically
>>to news programs.
>
>Yeah, like we should be really proud of our news programs
>Paul. They're so objective and go through a lot of trouble
>to present both sides of the story.

You really have a comprehension problem, don't you? It's rather sad. Anyway, I'll explain THIS to you as well - I never said we should be proud of our news. I said they have to keep up an APPEARANCE/FACADE/FRONT of professionalism.

>Then why did you go out of your way to measure blacks
>accordin' to their i.q. and level of poverty? You're the one
>who veered into that direction.

I didn't. Once again you are either purposefully twisting my words, or once again you have trouble understanding complete sentences. I said that taken in socioeconomic context those figures argue for NEITHER black inferiority OR superiority.

>No use tryin' to cover up your tracks now.

>Good god. Now I know why you are the way you are. In case
>you didn't know, TJ was a racist bastard who hid behind a
>front of democracy while characterizing blacks as wild
>beasts incapable of intellect.

Yes, that's unfortunate. People didn't have even a rudimentary understanding of sociology or psychology back then, and unfortunately the majority of the world felt this way. It's sad, but that's the way it was. Perhaps it's time for me to use the excuse that you use to excuse Elijah Muhammad's racism - "he was a man of his time" - LOL. Anyway, didn't Muhammad believe that white people were "devils" who were "evil" and "inferior"? Wasn't your argument that those beliefs didn't mar his other "accomplishments"? At least be consistent, sugar. Anyway, Jefferson was a brilliant writer, philosopher, and politician, and a brave revolutionary who changed the world. Please name one of your forbears who has had any such impact.

>>You are apparently ignorant regarding American history.
>
>White America's history is tainted with centuries of
>colonization, exploitation, and oppression. What's there to
>be proud of.

Defeating the Nazi menace in WWII. Establishing the first Republic since pre-Imperial Rome. Creating the most prosperous nation on earth. Giving billions of dollars in aid to African and other thirld world countries - which they hijack and squandor. Providing billions in famine relief all over the world. Accepting millions of immigrants from all over the world - including Africa - who somehow seem to come here and prosper better than the minorities who already live here, interestingly enough.


>When I said coloured folks, I include Asians, Latinos,
>Middle Easterns, etc. Considering how large in number we
>are, we are disproportionately repped on tv.

Perhaps if blacks weren't so over-represented, we could solve this problem.

>Yes, to you it's silly because this has nothing to do with
>you.

It's silly because it's stupid.

>Go do your own homework. Ever wonder why the Middle East,
>along with the rest of the world, wants to fry our ass?

I don't need to wonder. It's because the American military has a presence in the holy land of Arabia, and because of our asinine support of Israel. Mostly.

>Ever
>wonder why Palestinians, post 9-11, paraded in the streets
>with Osama's head printed on their shirts?

I already answered that question. It's not racial, it's religious and political. You are such a stupid fucking retard that you think everything revolves around you and your little crybaby bullshit. Suck it up. They don't give a fuck about you.



  

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outdone y'self with that reply. To be honest, I'm taken aback by your uncensored display of ignorance. I'll be back w/ a full reply when I'm finished w/ work.

  

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lemme try to sort this shit out.....

>>But they are now in prison, right?
>
>I would hope so. What's your point?

Again, I'll repeat: hate crimes against Blacks are institutionalized. hate crimes against Blacks are institutionalized. hate crimes against Blacks are institutioned.

One mo' time for the dead horse: hate crimes against Blacks are institutionalized.

>>Oh fuck....so you are of the opinion that blacks only have
>>the capacity to rap and play basketball?
>
>Do you have a reading comprehension problem? You said the
>ENTERTAINMENT INDUSTRY ignored blacks. In a lifetime of
>idiotic statements, that one is up there in your top 300,
>somewhere.

Dude....I said Blacks/coloured folks aren't repped. By representation, I mean Blacks who represent the collective Black experience. I want blacks and minorities who represent reality. Mainstream rappers and ballers do not represent us. They own millions, drive Bentleys, have an entourage of hoes. How many Blacks(or other minorities) live that lifestyle? They, along with Condoleeza, Ward, and Powells don't represent us.

>Nope. A people with no power and none in sight pose no
>threat. Go spout your looney theories anywhere you wish.

Did you not read my replies? I clearly stated *potential threat*. And that is precisely why white media refuses to give us any voice.

One mainstream Afrocentric voice will be followed by a chain of reactions, all of which will cause the demise of white institutions.

And yes Paul, media and government are afraid of our potential power which is why they're so eager to censor the voices of black revolutionaries.

This is also the reason why the FBI investigates all those who champion radicalism. If they weren't a threat, why the gubment keeping a close eye on their activities. If black radicals aren't a threat, why did the FBI monitor the activities of Malcolm, Martin Luther, SNCC, and all other civil rights groups? Why, in the 70s, did COINTELPRO have files on all Black Power movements? Why the fuck did the feds bomb the MOVE headquarters? White folks pissin' in their dockers out of fear that their privilege is being threatened.

>You really have a comprehension problem, don't you? It's
>rather sad. Anyway, I'll explain THIS to you as well - I
>never said we should be proud of our news. I said they have
>to keep up an APPEARANCE/FACADE/FRONT of professionalism.

Which is why I criticized the media in the first place. Why front? That's characteristically white. Y'all always tryin' to hide behind some superficial mask. Unmask yourselves. Look at your username, PaulNice. It sounds like a compassionate, humanitarian, friendly name. But of course, it's just a mask to hide your real self. I'm perceptive enuff to see right through you, but others ain't.


>>Then why did you go out of your way to measure blacks
>>accordin' to their i.q. and level of poverty? You're the one
>>who veered into that direction.
>
>I didn't. Once again you are either purposefully twisting
>my words, or once again you have trouble understanding
>complete sentences. I said that taken in socioeconomic
>context those figures argue for NEITHER black inferiority OR
>superiority.

I declared my pride in Blacks and you retaliated by bringin' in pseudo measures of intelligence to argue against my opinion. If your intention wasn't to convince me that my black pride wasn't credible, what was it?

>Yes, that's unfortunate.

Unfortunate? C'mon you coulda come up with a better adjective than that. A use of an euphemism to lighten the atrocoties that took place.

People didn't have even a
>rudimentary understanding of sociology or psychology back
>then, and unfortunately the majority of the world felt this
>way.

And they still don't. How many more centuries is it gonna take for you slow muthafuckas to see the light?

Not to mention, this proves my theory that historically, whites are clueless dumbasses. They had this stupid, irrational idea that they were superior and used that complex to IMPOSE suffering(in every imaginable form) on all black, brown, yellow, and red people.

Never mind the understanding of sociology or psychology. They couldn't even grasp the elementary code of human decency.

It's sad, but that's the way it was. Perhaps it's
>time for me to use the excuse that you use to excuse Elijah
>Muhammad's racism - "he was a man of his time" - LOL.
>Anyway, didn't Muhammad believe that white people were
>"devils" who were "evil" and "inferior"?

And did Muhammad use his theory to murder, exploit, rape whites in the same way that TJ did? And, within that context of time, it's only natural Muhammad came to that conclusion, after eyewitnessing the atrocities committed by the white man. Religion also has to be seen in its political context.

Wasn't your
>argument that those beliefs didn't mar his other
>"accomplishments"? At least be consistent, sugar.

When someone is responsible for justifyin' the murder of coloured people, there's no seein' past the negative.

Anyway,
>Jefferson was a brilliant writer, philosopher, and
>politician, and a brave revolutionary who changed the world.

You and I have radically different definitions of brilliance. To me, a man/woman of brilliance is someone who is:
-morally upright
-has the mental faculties to observe the conditions of those in suffering
-uses his knowledge for the benefit of the oppressed
-willing to sacrifice all in the name of his/her people
-questions the establishment
-selfless
-comes from a humble background and yet, even when all odds are piled against him/her, he/she still manages to break the mold

TJ is none of those. You claim his brilliance only on the basis of his place in white man's history. He endlessly philosophized on democracy when he never knew of its basic definition. And the sad thing is, that stupidity extends into modern times. How can you be proud of such a man? That's like claimin' pride of Hitler. That muthafucka had politics on lock, but that doesn't exempt him from stupidity. Y'see Paul, intelligence isn't measured by your level of education or tunnel-vision knowledge. Some engineer at Los Alamos may be constructing nukes, but may be clueless as fuck when it comes to analyzin' human existence.

> Please name one of your forbears who has had any such
>impact.

Well, gee Paul....the only American folks who had the genuine understanding of democracy were our Black civil rights leaders. It's thanks to them that there's chunks of democracy in this wasteland. It's because of them that we have black(coloured) scholars, activists, politicians, musicians, artists, athletes, educators,....We're the ones challenging white supremacy. If that's not revolutionary, I don't know what is. And don't ever forget that it's an ongoing struggle. The teachings of Malcolm X are just as relevant today as it was decades ago. You limit yourself by seein' things only within their temporal space.

>Defeating the Nazi menace in WWII.

Yeah, soon followed by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. In Hiroshima alone, over 80,000 innocent CIVILIANS were killed when it was well known that Japan was hangin on its last thread and ready to surrender. Before this event, U.S. Air Force Chief clearly stated that they were runnin' out of targets to bomb. Not to mention, Japan's had zero access to oil and war materials. Here's a quote: "By the beginning of September , Japan was almost completely defeated through a practically complete sea and air blockade." In other words, the U.S. murdered thousands without any legitimate reason to do so, other than flex their rambo muscles. What a great country! Stars and stripes!

Not to mention, 110,000 Japanese AMERICANS were herded into concentration camps. Now, ain't that a proud moment in history.

Oh yeah, how can I forget 'bout the millions of Native Americans who were murdered, raped, and dehumanized by whitey. Stars and stripes!


Establishing the first
>Republic since pre-Imperial Rome.

What kind of democratic republic is this?

Creating the most
>prosperous nation on earth.

At whose expense? Not only was this country's economy built on the backs of slaves, but even til this day, they've yet to learn from their mistakes.

Giving billions of dollars in
>aid to African and other thirld world countries - which they
>hijack and squandor.

And how did these countries become dependant in the first place? Western colonization. African empires were thrivin' 'fore white folks asserted their unwanted ass into their land and bloodied up the place. As a result of the slave trade, 120 million Africans either murdered or enslaved. Even now, you're hands are covered in blood as your brethren continue to exploit a continent of rich mineral resources and even richer people.

Providing billions in famine relief
>all over the world.

Who are starving as a result of capitalism and white supremacy. Y'all take shits in these countries, but don't wanna hang around when it's time to clean up.

Accepting millions of immigrants from
>all over the world - including Africa - who somehow seem to
>come here and prosper better than the minorities who already
>live here, interestingly enough.

Because they come to excape from the western exploitation that bloodies their land even more than it does here. And why do Afrikan immigrants do better than native Blacks? Simple. Because they were socialized into valuing education. We don't have thjat here. We're given schools that delete our history and expects us to fail.

>
>>When I said coloured folks, I include Asians, Latinos,
>>Middle Easterns, etc. Considering how large in number we
>>are, we are disproportionately repped on tv.
>
>Perhaps if blacks weren't so over-represented, we could
>solve this problem.

How 'bout cuttin' back on white representation. Sounds like a better option.

And now, I'm fuckin' tired so I have to stop here. Good night.

>>Yes, to you it's silly because this has nothing to do with
>>you.
>
>It's silly because it's stupid.
>
>>Go do your own homework. Ever wonder why the Middle East,
>>along with the rest of the world, wants to fry our ass?
>
>I don't need to wonder. It's because the American military
>has a presence in the holy land of Arabia, and because of
>our asinine support of Israel. Mostly.
>
>>Ever
>>wonder why Palestinians, post 9-11, paraded in the streets
>>with Osama's head printed on their shirts?
>
>I already answered that question. It's not racial, it's
>religious and political. You are such a stupid fucking
>retard that you think everything revolves around you and
>your little crybaby bullshit. Suck it up. They don't give
>a fuck about you.
>
>

  

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>hate crimes against Blacks are
>institutioned.

What's your point?

>I want blacks and minorities who represent
>reality. Mainstream rappers and ballers do not represent us.
>They own millions, drive Bentleys, have an entourage of
>hoes. How many Blacks(or other minorities) live that
>lifestyle? They, along with Condoleeza, Ward, and Powells
>don't represent us.

This is retarded. Are you saying that the blacks that flood the entertainment industry do not represent the African American experience because they are successful? Explain to me how a black person can make it in entertainment enough to "rep" you while remaining unsuccessful.

>Did you not read my replies? I clearly stated *potential
>threat*. And that is precisely why white media refuses to
>give us any voice.

Nope. Not a "potential" threat either. Small in number, poverty stricken, no voice, eschewing self-reliance and personal responsibility in favor of a what-am-I-owed philosophy -- too much would have to change before there was even a hint of a potential threat. It will take GENERATIONS.

>And yes Paul, media and government are afraid of our
>potential power which is why they're so eager to censor the
>voices of black revolutionaries.

No they aren't, because there are no more viable black revolutionaries. Black integrationists are viewed as weak. Black separatists are ignored because no one in their right mind would leave these shores to live in disease infested, corrupt, poverty-stricken Africa.

>This is also the reason why the FBI investigates all those
>who champion radicalism. If they weren't a threat, why the
>gubment keeping a close eye on their activities. If black
>radicals aren't a threat, why did the FBI monitor the
>activities of Malcolm, Martin Luther, SNCC, and all other
>civil rights groups? Why, in the 70s, did COINTELPRO have
>files on all Black Power movements? Why the fuck did the
>feds bomb the MOVE headquarters? White folks pissin' in
>their dockers out of fear that their privilege is being
>threatened.

Delusions of grandeur. No one cares anymore. The NOI became a joke, until Farrakhan abandoned Elijah Muhammed. The Panthers are powerless because of the general apathy of the black community - an apathy the American gov't fostered with disastrous welfare programs.


>Which is why I criticized the media in the first place. Why
>front?

Because they are a pop-industry and a propaganda machine. They must "front" to keep the people from realizing this, or caring.

That's characteristically white. Y'all always tryin'
>to hide behind some superficial mask.

Ignorant.

>Unmask yourselves.
>Look at your username, PaulNice. It sounds like a
>compassionate, humanitarian, friendly name. But of course,
>it's just a mask to hide your real self. I'm perceptive
>enuff to see right through you, but others ain't.

Ignorant.

>I declared my pride in Blacks and you retaliated by bringin'
>in pseudo measures of intelligence to argue against my
>opinion. If your intention wasn't to convince me that my
>black pride wasn't credible, what was it?

You are a lying filthy snake. You never meet an argument head on. Stop being a pussy. You declared no "pride", you declared that you are a black supremacist. I pointed out that there isn't one single shred of evidence to support such a ridiculous ideology.


>>Yes, that's unfortunate.
>
>Unfortunate? C'mon you coulda come up with a better
>adjective than that. A use of an euphemism to lighten the
>atrocoties that took place.

Granted, I could have used a stronger word, but one wouldn't have been warranted. It was merely "unfortunate". That's all.

> People didn't have even a
>>rudimentary understanding of sociology or psychology back
>>then, and unfortunately the majority of the world felt this
>>way.
>
>And they still don't. How many more centuries is it gonna
>take for you slow muthafuckas to see the light?

Perhaps you should get off your ass and show them, instead of crying and bitching all the time.

>And did Muhammad use his theory to murder, exploit, rape
>whites in the same way that TJ did?

I'm sorry, who did Thomas Jefferson murder? Rape? I won't say "exploit", because he did own slaves. Rather unfortunate.

>When someone is responsible for justifyin' the murder of
>coloured people, there's no seein' past the negative.

Could you please quote Thomas Jefferson "justifying" the murder of blacks? That'd be interesting. I imagine that link is probably lost, along with the one about Usama.

>You and I have radically different definitions of
>brilliance. To me, a man/woman of brilliance is someone who
>is:
>-morally upright

Nothing to do with brilliance.

>-has the mental faculties to observe the conditions of those
>in suffering

Which TJ did, thus his insistence that a condemnation of slavery be included in the Declaration of Independance.

>-uses his knowledge for the benefit of the oppressed

Nothing to do with brilliance, though he did that as well.

>-willing to sacrifice all in the name of his/her people

Which he was.

>-questions the establishment

Which he did.

>-selfless

Which he was.

>-comes from a humble background and yet, even when all odds
>are piled against him/her, he/she still manages to break the
>mold

Please explain what one's background has to do with brilliance?

>TJ is none of those.

Wrong.

>You claim his brilliance only on the
>basis of his place in white man's history.

Incorrect. I said he was a BRILLIANT WRITER - based on his writings.

>Well, gee Paul....the only American folks who had the
>genuine understanding of democracy were our Black civil
>rights leaders.

Untrue, and ridiculous.

>It's thanks to them that there's chunks of
>democracy in this wasteland. I

Partially.

>If that's not revolutionary, I
>don't know what is.

Correct. You do not.

>Yeah, soon followed by the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and
>Nagasaki.

Irrelevant. That doesn't negate the accomplishment of defeating the Nazis. Your whole paragraph about Hiroshima was irrelevant, and is being dealt with in another post.

>Not to mention, 110,000 Japanese AMERICANS were herded into
>concentration camps. Now, ain't that a proud moment in
>history.

No, it wasn't. It's funny though, they came out of those camps and prospered. Maybe they got out and worked instead of bitching and whining - just a thought.

>Oh yeah, how can I forget 'bout the millions of Native
>Americans who were murdered, raped, and dehumanized by
>whitey. Stars and stripes!

The point is...?

>What kind of democratic republic is this?

What do you mean? Does every citizen have the right to vote?


> Creating the most
>>prosperous nation on earth.
>
>At whose expense? Not only was this country's economy built
>on the backs of slaves, but even til this day, they've yet
>to learn from their mistakes.

And your point is...?

>And how did these countries become dependant in the first
>place? Western colonization. African empires were thrivin'
>'fore white folks asserted their unwanted ass into their
>land and bloodied up the place. As a result of the slave
>trade, 120 million Africans either murdered or enslaved.
>Even now, you're hands are covered in blood as your brethren
>continue to exploit a continent of rich mineral resources
>and even richer people

My hands are clean and I feel ABSOLUTELY NO WHITE GUILT. My concience is CLEAN. Feels pretty good.

>
> Providing billions in famine relief
>>all over the world.
>
>Who are starving as a result of capitalism and white
>supremacy. Y'all take shits in these countries, but don't
>wanna hang around when it's time to clean up.

As a result of capitalism? How?

> Accepting millions of immigrants from
>>all over the world - including Africa - who somehow seem to
>>come here and prosper better than the minorities who already
>>live here, interestingly enough.
>
>Because they come to excape from the western exploitation
>that bloodies their land even more than it does here. And
>why do Afrikan immigrants do better than native Blacks?
>Simple. Because they were socialized into valuing education.
>We don't have that here. We're given schools that delete
>our history and expects us to fail.

Here you go again, talking about what you're given and what your getting. GO OUT AND GET YOUR OWN FUCKING SHIT. THAT's the problem.


>How 'bout cuttin' back on white representation. Sounds like
>a better option.

I disagree.

>And now, I'm fuckin' tired

You got that right.

  

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Did you hear about the copy-cat dragging done in Texas to a Black man by white men after they found out about the orginal?

Did you hear about the SGL/G Brotha in NY who was killed by his white stepfather who hid his body. But came back to write: Dead Nigger Faggot #1 on his skull?

But I guess, in Paul's mind, everything is equal, except Black people get away with murder.

*shakes head*

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81. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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>rac·ism Pronunciation Key (rszm)
>n.
>1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human
>character or ability and that a particular race is superior
>to others.
>2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Fuck this defenition. More than likely written by a racist WHITE individual.
>
>There is nothing in the definition about power. There is
>nothing in the definition about opression. What most of you
>are talking about when you say that power is a prerequisite
>to racism is INSTITUTIONAL racism. By the very definition
>of the word, blacks can be racist. Whites can be racist.
>Hispanics, Native Americans and Australian Aboriginies can
>be racist. Koreans can be racist. Eskimos can be racist.

They can...but they aren't.


>If a black man calls someone "caveboy" he is being a racist.
No. That blackman is right.
lol!


>If you say black people can't be racist, then you are either
>inventing your own definition of the word "racism", or you
>don't understand the actual definition of the word.

Or you're reverse racists and vice versa...like me.
lol

Get da fuck outtahere CAVEBOY!!!

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I would like to thank the donkey above for eloquently making my point.

LOL

  

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84. "HEEEEHAAAAWWW"
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But the donkey,unlike man, knows we are all one, we all have one name. And his instinct is unmatched by any human
peaces PaulNice

You shall overcome...something someday bro.
lol!


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Peace

If that is what you want to accept then we will also accept white as

pure: unblemished, especially in character, purity; decency, decorum, delicacy; continence, chastity, honesty, virtue, modesty, vestal, virgin and black as the opposite. Those basic dictionary definitions are set up based on white supremacy so of course you will accept and believe that. They will alter everything to their advantage.

The truth is, that first definition is no different from prejudice:
prej·u·dice noun (plural prej·u·dic·es)

1. opinion formed beforehand: a preformed opinion, usually an unfavorable one, based on insufficient knowledge, irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes

2. the holding of ill-informed opinions: the holding of opinions that are formed beforehand on the basis of insufficient knowledge

3. irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred, fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, or social status

4. LAW disadvantage or harm: disadvantage or harm caused to somebody or something

A powerless person can think with prejudice or what you call 'racism', but he or she is not really racist without power.

Your problem: you are going to a racist source for your definition. You're not going to get the truth with that.

It's like an elementry school student who goes to class and learns that Columbus and Lincoln are great men....but later on in high school (hopefully) or college they teach you that they weren't so great.

You are like that elementry school kid who is taking things on facee value. If you've taken any sociology courses in college you should have learned that racism deals with power.

peace

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98. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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>Peace
>
>If that is what you want to accept then we will also accept
>white as
>
>pure: unblemished, especially in character, purity;
>decency, decorum, delicacy; continence, chastity, honesty,
>virtue, modesty, vestal, virgin and black as the opposite.
>Those basic dictionary definitions are set up based on white
>supremacy so of course you will accept and believe that.
>They will alter everything to their advantage.

This is a common mistake made by many who know more of rhetoric than etymology. The reason "white" has that definition, and "black" has somewhat the opposite, has NOTHING TO DO with race. It is based on the fear of the dark that all races have had since the dawn of time. Man has always been afraid of the dark, and the light has always been a source of safety and comfort, for all races, and the languages of all humanity reflect this. Apart from that, could you please reference the dictionary you got this "definition" from? Methinks you got it from an autobiography, and not a dictionary. Must I really say which one? Interestingly enough, the definition I find for white is this:


white Pronunciation Key (hwt, wt)
n.
The achromatic color of maximum lightness; the color of objects that reflect nearly all light of all visible wavelengths; the complement or antagonist of black, the other extreme of the neutral gray series. Although typically a response to maximum stimulation of the retina, the perception of white appears always to depend on contrast.
The white or nearly white part, as:
The albumen of an egg.
The white part of an eyeball.
A blank unprinted area, as of an advertisement.
One that is white or nearly white, as:
whites White trousers or a white outfit of a special nature: tennis whites.
whites The white dress uniform of the U.S. Navy or Coast Guard.
A white wine.
A white pigment.
A white breed, species, or variety of animal.
also White A member of a racial group of people having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin. See Usage Note at black.
Products of a white color, such as flour, salt, and sugar. Often used in the plural.
Games.
The white or light-colored pieces, as in chess.
The player using these pieces.

The outermost ring of an archery target.
A hit in this ring.
whites Pathology. Leukorrhea.
A politically ultraconservative or reactionary person.

adj. whit·er, whit·est
Being of the color white; devoid of hue, as new snow.
Approaching the color white, as:
Weakly colored; almost colorless; pale: white wine.
Pale gray; silvery and lustrous: white hair.
Bloodless; blanched.
Light or whitish in color or having light or whitish parts. Used with animal and plant names.
also White Of or belonging to a racial group having light skin coloration, especially one of European origin: voting patterns within the white population.
Not written or printed on; blank.
Unsullied; pure.
Habited in white: white nuns.
Accompanied by or mantled with snow: a white Christmas.

Incandescent: white flames.
Intensely heated; impassioned: white with fury.
Ultraconservative or reactionary.
With milk added. Used of tea or coffee.

tr.v. whit·ed, whit·ing, whites
Printing. To create or leave blank spaces in (printed or illustrated matter). Often used with out.
Archaic.
To whiten; whitewash.
To blanch.

Wow. The Dictionary definition doesn't really "validate" anyones existence, does it?


>The truth is, that first definition is no different from
>prejudice:
>prej·u·dice noun (plural prej·u·dic·es)
>
>1. opinion formed beforehand: a preformed opinion, usually
>an unfavorable one, based on insufficient knowledge,
>irrational feelings, or inaccurate stereotypes
>
>2. the holding of ill-informed opinions: the holding of
>opinions that are formed beforehand on the basis of
>insufficient knowledge
>
>3. irrational dislike of somebody: an unfounded hatred,
>fear, or mistrust of a person or group, especially one of a
>particular religion, ethnicity, nationality, or social
>status
>
>4. LAW disadvantage or harm: disadvantage or harm caused
>to somebody or something

Once again, you are in error. The definition of "racism" IS DIFFERENT from that of prejudice, because RACISM is based specifically on RACE.


>A powerless person can think with prejudice or what you call
>'racism', but he or she is not really racist without power.

Untrue. See the definition of "racism".

>Your problem: you are going to a racist source for your
>definition. You're not going to get the truth with that.

Wrong, the dictionary is not racist. Your problem: you are going to NO source for your definition - you're just making it up, like a fucking fairytale that excuses your racism.


  

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103. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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<IM BAAAAACCCCCKKK>

PEACE Paul,

Why Am I not suprised to see none other than My man PaulNice as the creator of this post? Still following that agenda huh?

Anyways.....I'm suprised at you using a US Justice department reference to a statistic on hate crimes. You know as well as I that the name Justice Department is a misnomer. Also, I've read many instances where obvious hate crimes were not being investigated as such....Which brings the obvious question: Who decides what is and what isn't to be charged as a crime of hate? Sounds to me like it is totally based on perception....And of course whether or not the district or state attorney responsible of trying the crime has an agenda or not. This is all irrelevant to a certain degree anyway, so I'll go back to doing what I was doing.

P.S. You'll be suprised to find that I agree with you on this post. You're right Blacks can be racist when being judged by the definition of the word Racist, in the dictionary. However, I think Nettrice spoke for all if not most people of color when she said the focus should be on the surrounding aspects of "Racism". After all...it doesnt matter when you dont have the "juice" to enforce you ideology.




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108. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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><IM BAAAAACCCCCKKK>
>
>PEACE Paul,

Good to see you, Ra

>Why Am I not suprised to see none other than My man PaulNice
>as the creator of this post? Still following that agenda
>huh?

Yes. My agenda to enlighten the masses is in full effect.

>Anyways.....I'm suprised at you using a US Justice
>department reference to a statistic on hate crimes. You
>know as well as I that the name Justice Department is a
>misnomer. Also, I've read many instances where obvious hate
>crimes were not being investigated as such....Which brings
>the obvious question: Who decides what is and what isn't to
>be charged as a crime of hate? Sounds to me like it is
>totally based on perception....And of course whether or not
>the district or state attorney responsible of trying the
>crime has an agenda or not. This is all irrelevant to a
>certain degree anyway, so I'll go back to doing what I was
>doing.

While I agree with you that I rarely trust anything the gov't says, this figure does not seem farfetched to me, mostly because the crime rate among blacks is so high that any crime in particular would have a magnified percentage. I realize there are socioeconomic reasons for this.

>P.S. You'll be suprised to find that I agree with you on
>this post. You're right Blacks can be racist when being
>judged by the definition of the word Racist, in the
>dictionary. However, I think Nettrice spoke for all if not
>most people of color when she said the focus should be on
>the surrounding aspects of "Racism".

When actually combatting the problem of racism, I agree so far as to say that the focus should FIRST be on the surrounding aspects, which collectively in this case make up the phenomena known as "institutionalized racism", which has had the most adverse effects on society. This, of course, does not deny the existence of or the importance of combatting other kinds of racism, one being black racism.

>After all...it doesnt
>matter when you dont have the "juice" to enforce you
>ideology.

Well, it DOES matter, it just won't have as negative an effect on American society if one doesn't have the "juice". It is still evil.

Hey Ra - you should go to thelyceum.org - there's a lot of debates there where your knowledge of ancient Egypt/Kemet would be of good use. PM me.

  

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Paul, how old are you? Are you a college student? I am 22 and I am a college student.

  

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I'm 28. Yeah, I'm a college student. Was I right about that def?

  

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107. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Why are you cussing man? Chill out.

We are going to agree to disagree but let me clarify one thing.

What I am saying is, racism is not an attitude, it's a question of power. Racial prejudice is an attitude. It's you thinking Blacks are unintelligent, lazy, etc. I can be prejudice to a race. But Blacks in the U.S. do not have the power to act on that prejudice to the extent to be called racist. To have power we have to be organized. This white system is organized, it's a racist system. We get a racist education. In the economy, the darker faces get less of the better jobs. Race is the societal implication that one's physical difference appearance affects the way one is socialized. Racism is opression and or subjugation because of race. We will always be second class citizens here, because of racism.

If you take everything on face value and let Webster define the world for you, you will be lost. If I let Webster define me, I wouldn't know who I were. 30 years ago, Webster said I was a Negro, before that I was colored, nigger, etc. Now I am African American according to him. Which one is it? It's set up to keep me confused. You disagree though. You think the dictionary isn't bias, isn't racist.

The only thing I am disagreeing with you on is the definition of racism. Go ask a college professor who teaches sociology. Share our discussion with him or her. Racism deals with power, Racial prejudice deals with ideals and attitudes.

  

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122. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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>If you've taken any sociology courses in
>college you should have learned that racism deals with
>power.

Right on point.

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...that before you made this monstrocity of a thread, i said something like i believe black people can be racist as well, with some arguments, and you told me it was useless because nobody would agre anyway. So what the fuck possessed you to go and type at least 20 posts in here to defend your opinion?

You know what? It doesn't even matter.
Wether blacks can be racist or not, we ALL have to start trying our best to get along. Because if we don't, there's still gonna be white racism, and black... i'll just call it a reaction.
It's a fact that whenever a group of people is being oppressed, their natural reaction is to resist and fight back. The American system lacks equality at the cost of black people, so a reaction can be expected. However, when this reaction becomes a general hatred towards all white people, even those who don't treat anybody wrong, it becomes counter-productive. Because then, white people will also react against what they experience as false accusition, stigmatization, and yes, racism... and as a result, more white people will become racists again, only making the situation worse.
It's the system that's racist. Most common white civilians are not racists, if they are prejudiced than that's just ignorance in most cases but i can assure you that most don't even give a damn about color. I don't live in America, but of the hundreds of white people i know, there are only about 10 racists, and no serious ones either because most of them have black friends as well so they're just ignorant.
Nobody can just change the system... I think we should all try our best to get along. If we all start to mingle some more, more white people will ope their eyes for what's ging on and realize that black people are still underprivileged, and maybe they'll even keep that in mind next time they vote. Having them scared and angry at black people whose reactions to racism got out of control doesn't help fight racism, it might even make them vote for the worst guy possible.

  

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102. "RE: You know what's funny..."
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>...that before you made this monstrocity of a thread, i said
>something like i believe black people can be racist as well,
>with some arguments, and you told me it was useless because
>nobody would agre anyway. So what the fuck possessed you to
>go and type at least 20 posts in here to defend your
>opinion?

I said "don't bother" because I've been having this argument with Miss Freeman and some others for some time. I guess I didn't necessarily mean "don't bother", just that it's sometimes a waste of time trying to educate the obstinate. I, however, am on a mission from God, and cannot leave these poor fools in the darkness of ignorance.

  

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143. "RE: You know what's funny..."
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I disagree. All white people are racist because they have the power to put their race prejudice into action.

However, I like "reaction" however, you are using it as a way not to say "racists" and therefore, I can't really agree with you from where you stand.

Race prejudice isn't new and in and of itself isn't harmful. What changes racial prejudice into racism is where power is involved, the ability to make laws with this racial prejudice in mind.

Personally, I don't think that there is anything wrong with Black people not wanting to deal with white people. In fact, I believe they are probably a lot healthier, mentally, emotionally, spritually, and psychically not dealing with white people at all. Does that make you wanna call me a racist? Save your breath and your time -- you just don't understand it from the direction I'm looking in. Mayhap, one day, you will evolve a bit and you'll be able to understand why white people aren't just the most wonderful people on earth. One day, and hopefully soon, you will grow up and realize that there is no one universalized anything and that same world can look like three different things to three different people and it is all the same world.

And once that day comes, that will be an epiphany.

Peace,

Quentin

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105. "WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE"
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I forgot where it was in the chain of posts, but PaulNice expressed not understanding how words could justify the white race. Whites, as often do blacks, define themselves against other races with the rational "I am not black, therefore I better understand what it means to be white". Without definitiosn of what it is to be black, whites have less understanding of what it means to be white. Actually, it means nothing to be white as it means nothing to be black since these are definitions that loosely define and separate groups but are still terms, none the less, that people tenaciously hold onto. We all, unfortunately, are forced to live by these concepts. While a plant can eb defined as a pplant because of a list of measurable classifications, an American black person cannot be readably defined by similar measurable classifications so, at it's root, it's silly to call anyone black.

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110. "RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE"
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This whole argument just comes down to the context of the word racism. Paul is right when he follows his context of the word- the dictionary definition. Likewise, all of his opposition is right when racism is looked at in a realistic point of view as a facet of power.

Therefore both sides are correct- its just depends on the context.....

Today I was standing in line to get a soda, a woman looked in my direction and asked for some change. I asked her if she was talking to me and she said no- I smiled at her and said okay sorry. When I turned around her boy friend got in my face and said "damn right she wasn't talking to you cracker". I don't know if that is racism or bigotry; whatever you want to call it, it was wrong

Whether or not Paul is right, in his meaning of racism, I think this is what he is refering to as there being "black racism"-


Peace

  

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111. "RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE"
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That's racism AND bigotry.

  

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116. "I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE"
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keep away from the dictionary when attempting to define racism. as a well-known revolutionary once said, "get 10 black people together, regardless of educational background, and ask them what racism is and means. and of the 10, nine will not know the definition of racism." this was said in 1967. that same person said as time went on, we will "point the finger at everything wrong as racism." it appears he was right. no black person should EVER use the dictionary as a reference for the definition of racism. it's much too complicated. just look around you, black people, look at your life experiences and those of others you know and you'll come closer to defining racism than the dictionary ever will. it's that simple. and that's just the beginning. you have to do more, but you have to at the very least, start there to arrive at the COMPLETE definition of racism.

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120. "RE: I'LL SAY THIS ONCE MORE"
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Wrong. The complete definition of "racism" is in the dictionary. See above. You need to do all that shit to fully understand the IMPLICATIONS of racism, not the definition. Again, see above.

  

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>Wrong. The complete definition of "racism" is in the
>dictionary. See above. You need to do all that shit to
>fully understand the IMPLICATIONS of racism, not the
>definition. Again, see above.

wrong again. if you're talking about the beginning of this post, that's not the complete defination of racism. until you actually know the COMPLETE definition. you'll never understand or even know the implications.

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Yes, it is. Please check above, or check a dictionary - if you know what one is, or have one handy.

  

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no need. that definition is NOT what racism is. it only scratches the surface. you need to check out some respected black historians and authors, if you know who they are or if you have their works handy.

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144. "RE: WORDS CREATED WHITE PEOPLE"
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Bigotry only.

When he called you a cracker, did he make you feel badly about yourself, abouy your skin color or did you immediately think "nigger" in your mind?

When he called you a cracker, did it matter to you? Did you think about how he and his gf were begging for change and you had money enough for all you needed?

When he called you cracker, were you oppressed or did it make you feel uncomfortable? Did it make you mad? Mad enough to hit, maim, kill? Or was it just another anecdote to list in your head to bring to this list and use as "evidence"?

Did he treat you like a cracker?

When he called you cracker, were you cognizant of any power he had over you, being that you were a cracker and he wasn't?

When he called you a cracker, did it make you feel dirty?


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i think everyone would agree that blacks can hold negative views of whites
having said that, the true debate seems actually to be over what the real definition of racism is, whether it be that which is in the dictionary or not...or whether or not its the same as institutional racism
instead of debating this, this post has basically turned into a "it is this because i say so and i've experienced true racism" vs. "it is this because the dictionary says so" debate...
with large amounts of gratuitous name calling of course

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>i think everyone would agree that blacks can hold negative
>views of whites
>having said that, the true debate seems actually to be over
>what the real definition of racism is, whether it be that
>which is in the dictionary or not...or whether or not its
>the same as institutional racism
>instead of debating this, this post has basically turned
>into a "it is this because i say so and i've experienced
>true racism" vs. "it is this because the dictionary says so"
>debate...
>with large amounts of gratuitous name calling of course

The name calling's the best part.

  

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im guessing by the lack of replies that i've struck a chord here

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Hey man are you going to answer my question about going to school? Do you taken any college sociology classes?

If one believes there is only one race, the human race, how can that one be racist at all. Your dictionary definition is limited.

  

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Why don't you scroll up. My answer is posted right under your question.

  

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peace paul


  

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Right back atcha.

  

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133. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Your a jew a bet.

  

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135. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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lol why u be hating on the so called jews

  

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138. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Because he's a bigot. I was raised Catholic, though I no longer subscribe to that particular ideology.

  

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139. "You're an ex-catholic?"
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>Because he's a bigot. I was raised Catholic, though I no
>longer subscribe to that particular ideology.

Eewwww.
stop subscribing after that priest put it on ya huh?
No wonder your heads fucked up.
lol!



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140. "RE: You're an ex-catholic?"
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No doubt. For ever he thought communion was a dick in the ass.

  

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156. "RE: You're an ex-catholic?"
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lol

  

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134. "I'm rooting for Paul."
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and now for these:
"hmmm...is it possible god just made an attempt on your life that was thwarted by the guiding hand of satan?" - Guinness

"It's easy to get lost in thought if it's not familiar to you."

"Not everyone can be a hero, so just sit on the bench and clap as I run by."

"Nothing is as frustrating as arguing with someone who knows what he's talking about."

"Make it idiot proof and someone will make a better idiot."

"Tact: the art of telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they anticipate the trip."

"Don't tell people your troubles: Half of them don't want to hear it, and the other half will be glad it happened."

"If one synchronised swimmer drowns, do all the rest have to drown too?"

"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."

"Sure, there have been deaths and injuries in boxing, but none of them serious."

"If your parents never had children, chances are you won't either."

"It's not enough to succeed. Others must fail."

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145. "RE: I'm rooting for Paul."
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I wish I thought better of you... but it seems only the icing on the cake.

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** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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151. "RE: I'm rooting for Paul."
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Well, this is a double edged knife. . .
I do believe that anyone has the capacity/ability to be racist. If the definition of racism is institutional racism, then so be it, and so yes, whites are the only racists, however. . .
I don't think that this was what Paul was referring to. His main aim was to say that yes, his people can be/have been very racist in the past and present, and unfortunately, probably in the future, but beyond the actual word 'racist', there has been a discrimination against another person due to the color of their skin which has created the situation in which people have existed and continue to exist in today. This is what he was saying could go both ways. It's true that on this planet today, white people have been the 'race at fault', however, and I believe this to be where he wanted this conversation to go, just as a black member of the HUMAN RACE can hate being looked down upon because of the color of his/her skin, a white member of the HUMAN RACE can as well. There have been claims of his subconsciously implying that he has the right to hate the blackman because the blackman hates him. Bullshit. I don't want to speak for him, but the point is, there are some white people who have racist family members, maybe have even been raised by racist parents, if they can grow up and think that the beliefs of their ancestors, parents, whatever are false and ridiculous, why shouldn't they think the same about someone of a different race harboring negative thoughts against another race, in this case, his own. Okay, that last sentence may have confused everyone a bit, but I think my point has come across. The past is important for us to remember and learn from, so let's learn from it, and in turn learn to embrace eachother as members of the HUMAN RACE. Why argue?

By the way, this is my first post, I've always read these and been itching to respond. Sorry if I'm stepping out of place as a newcomer.

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152. "RE: I'm rooting for Paul."
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You're not out of place, or wrong. But be prepared for the shitstorm when you agree with anything I say, homey.

  

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155. "RE: I'm rooting for Paul."
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Well, I'm kinda hoping to avoid getting nasty responses, but having read these posts for a while, I know that's impossible. I would just like all of those who are undoubtedly already writing their negative response to take into account the fact that my main point is that we shouldn't argue amongst ourselves, and rather against those who actually aid/push the problem outside of this okayplayer site. . . those are ultimately the ones that give us these negative topics to discuss. . .

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161. "Um..."
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The person you are "rooting for" is the person who is aiding it within OkayActivist like a freakin' virus.

T'ink on it.

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** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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160. "RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul."
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Welcome to OkayActivist.

IF you aren't PaulNice under another name, seeming as he's always quick with the affirmation, but never attempting to actually engaged anyone who has his clock, but I digress.

However, you are wrong.

You see, white people hate Black people all the time in a myriad of ways. That isn't shocking. And yes, Black people hate white people in all those various ways as well. The DIFFERENCE lies in who has the ability to take that "race" based hatred and turn it into law. That is the basis of the machine of racism -- that ability right there.

And while we can sit here and discuss institutional racism till the cows come how, we might want to think about the ways in which institutional racism works to empower the personal racist who can say things, do things, etc. to people of color and be backed by the institution.

If you want to hate Black people because you think they hate you, fine. But why not call a rake a rake and have a day? Why attempt to create this sloppy argument of racism being "equal" and "universalistic?" It is nothing more than justification for your own hatred of Black people, specifically, and people of color in general.

Don't hide it, own it.

Peace,

Quentin

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"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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165. "RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul."
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Okay. . . a point well taken, however, I think it's worth noting that you don't know me, who I am, what I stand for, etc. . . to call me a racist or hater of blacks and others of color is, well, dispiriting to say the least.
It's funny 'cause I actually agree with you on most aspects of this topic. Yes, when referring to racism, it should be known that you're speaking of institutionalized racism and not discrimination. Yes, white people have more 'power' and are using this to keep the African-American 'inferior', and shit, if you're a racist, embrace this. But I'm not.
Paul may have crossed the line in starting this conversation, but I think he may have just been going out on a limb to discuss the topic. Personally, I DO think it's kinda questionable for a white dude to step up and start pointing fingers, when in most cases, his damn grandfather was out supporting lynchings, but, now that the topic has been raised, I think it's fair to say that discrimination exists both (and, I suppose, in many other) ways. I even thought about your insinuation that I was a racist, and I could honestly see what you may have been thinking upon making that statement. It's not fair, but kinda justified. It's true, for us white folks, racism against us is hardly something worth mentioning in that it is so uncommon, and to do so is kind of questionable when comparing this to the amount of racism that the Black in America recieves or is subjected to through the media/personally/through where they were forced to live/through the education they were forced to recieve, etc. . . so, I think I can understand, but I just jumped to stand up for this guy who I think didn't have negative intentions in raising this topic and just got bombarded by people calling him exactly what he was denouncing. There's no need to call Paul names, the response that would have been ideal would have been "yeah, that sucks, maybe you mean discrimination, not racism, etc. . ." then said, "however, for you to complain is unecessary as you don't even know what it is to face racism, etc. . ." Don't call the kid a racist, just let him know tht he might not be right in raising the issue in the manner in which he did so. I think you all might know taht he really didn't have such negative intentions when raising this issue. Now let's concentrate on what we can do to change things. . . maybe another post?

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172. "RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul."
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Discrimination and racism are not one and the same and that is one of the reasons why using a dictionary is folly.

And he is racist. All white people are whether they want to be or not. You see, to me, it isn't saying you are a bad person. I know plenty of good racist folks. But unless you are struggling to become anti-racist, you are racist. Yes, a dichotomy, but either you are resisting the problem or you are a part of it.

_And nobody will blame you_! At least I won't. But if you are in my face, talking racist talk and I can see it and all sides of it, why do I need to convince myself something smells of flowers when it smells of shit?

You don't know me either. However, I can tell you that you are working from the praxis of believing that a racist person is someone ugly and horrible... or even a KKK or skin. But the truth is, when it comes to people of color and their spaces, the people who can be most harmful and detrimental to us are liberal white folks who have not started to unravel their dysconcious racism, use rhetorical ethic (which is interesting here in cyber-space because your words start to contradict instead of actions and words as usual), and then show yourselves as the racists you truly are.

Harsh? Perhaps. But truth can be.

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"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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177. "RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul."
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Okay, is there anything I can tell you that would make you believe that I or Paul are not racists? What if I told you I wasn't white? Now, you don't know, I've made a point of not stating the color of my skin throughout our little converstaion. . . I'm going to remain ambigous for a while until something better develops. . . 'cause i have a feeling anything I say will be interpreted by you as a racist comment coming from a racist person. . .

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186. "RE: I'm -not- rooting for Paul."
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Here's one for ya:

If you are white and not struggling to become anti-racist (or a recovering racist as I have once heard someone say) then yes, you are racist and your journey begins once you accept that.

If you are a person of color, I have to know which and go over what I know about that culture of color because different cultures of color "handle"/"deal" with the system of racism differently.

However, if I wasn't in a very forgiving mindset and was truly fed up, I would just call you confused or maybe even stupid, but that depends on whether I am giving in to my gut or my mind... while my mind seems more diplomatic, often, it agrees with my gut.

*smiles*

Peace,

Q

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** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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153. "It's OK cued...."
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I probably hold you in higher regard than you seem to think of me anyway. C'est la vie.


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162. "RE: It's -not- OK bluetiger...."
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It makes me feel uncomfortable because despite my moments of total angst, I do believe in balance and harmony.

I guess I just don't get it. Are you playing the merry trickster? Are you trying to get people to lighten up? Do you mean it?

See, I don't get you at all. It has been... going on what seems two years and I don't get you at all... and, worse, what of you I do get, you shouldn't like me at all nor hold me in high esteem... an accolade which makes me feel uncomfortable.

*sighs*

This is personal now. Maybe we should take this off-board, ok?

Peace,

Quentin

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"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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163. "Fine, my man. Inbox if you want."
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But I truly bear you no ill will nor animosity. Take the compliment as genuine because I am both cold & mean in person so I don't mince words like that. And by the way....very few people ever get close enough to figure me out (and yes there is always some trickery afoot).

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157. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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I like this discussion although it would seem that you have strayed from the subject at times.

Here's my two cents, I agree that this argument is just semantics. If we adhere to definition of racism submitted by 'PaulNice'(Oh Paul you need to always provide reference information so that we all can read it-- I mean is it Webster, Klu Klux Klan or what white man gave you that definition) then what is he really saying. Racism is the belief that one's 'race accounts for human character and or ability and that a particular race is superior to others'. And if I accept this definition then what? To seperate one's belief from one's actions is impossible. The belief is not what hurts it's the action that stems from it. I can believe that a rock has special powers to kill but it is only when I pick up that rock to kill that I do harm. I could care less what you believe it is only when you turn me down for a job that you do me harm. And if you have no power to turn me down for a job, a loan, a contract, etc then what does it matter what you believe. My beliefs do no harm but the actions attached to it are deadly. To subscribe to the definition that Mr. PaulNice provided would be to believe that one can seperate beliefs from actions. And if that is possible then I don't care who is racist as long as they don't act upon those beliefs

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158. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Exactly. But give Paul a chance, maybe one day he will be able to prove his words through his actions, maybe he already has. First: knowledge. Then we can judge. Granted, this might not have been righteous' message, but I don't know, maybe you'd agree?

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159. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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In fact, I think righteous did a better job of explaining what I had intended to two posts ago.

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she said what i have been saying also

peace

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174. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Man,

PaulNice really stirred things up now!

Okay, I'mma try to look beyond your words to what you're really trying to say, so just hear me out.

1) You seem to want to prove that Africans are just as "racist" (according to the dictionary's definition) as anyone else

2) And that racism (once again, according to the dictionary's definition) has absolutely nothing to do with power

Okay. And your point is? You seem so focused on definitions. Suppose I concur with you that blacks can be racist? What does that change? Does that change the fact that there are some places I am not "allowed" to go coz of my colour? Does that change the fact that it's hard for me to get a job while others don't seem to have that problem, despite the fact that I was one of the best students in my class?

What if I went a step futher and told you that precisely because of these things, I'm now "racist", according to you. Would your point be proven? Would you feel better? Well, if that's the case then I'll say it - I despise white people! I despise crackers! I hate you all! And you better not let me catch you in the streets coz if I do I'mma cut off your balls and hang them to dry!

Got that off my chest. Paul, when I use the term racism I mean what happens to me on a daily basis. My definition might not agree with yours but it's mine. And the fact that white media have often used the term "black racism" suggests to me that most people agree with my definition. Why else would the adjective "black" have to be added to the word "racism" when I hate on you?

You're just playing with words man. Different words mean different things to different people, dictionary or no dictionary. If I called you a "hoe" you probably wouldn't get pissed coz in the dictionary that's defined as a garden tool, right?

But I will say this. Hear your views coz we need to hear them. One, it makes us come more correct, and two, it makes us know exactly how "racist" people (my definition now) like you think.

Out

Mayo

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179. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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There are more definitions to racism than the ones you posted but this argument over semantics (racism vs. prejudice) is bullshit.

I think the simplest thing to say is:

Skin color does not determine that quality of ones character.


hopefully we can all agree on that.

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184. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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So what's your point? are you going to go on Larry King Live to educate to profess your discovery, or is this one of of those columbus things, I've discovered america...like I discovered your car in the parking lot.

And fantasy it was, for we were not strong only aggressive; we were not free, merely licensed; not compassionate, we were polite; not good but well behaved. We courted death in order to call ourselves brave and hid like thieves from life. -Toni Morrison

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187. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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We're using sociological terms. You're using Webster's terms. End of discussion.

  

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188. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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I am also using the sociological term, and providing its definition. You are using the wrong term - see "institutional racism".

  

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189. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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look up 'minority' in the dictionary.

You can make a thread stating that minority strictly means 'lesser in numbers' and pat yourself on the back, but definitions have different connotations, and even if you had the most rudimentary understanding of sociology you'd know that minority is most likely 'lesser in power' in sociological terms, despite what your boy Webster is saying.

Apply that to 'racism'. You are correct, it can be labeled institutional racism, but that doesn't negate the fact that 'institutional racism' is often understood to be simply 'racism' in sociological terms.

  

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190. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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>You are correct, it can be labeled
>institutional racism, but that doesn't negate the fact that
>'institutional racism' is often understood to be simply
>'racism' in sociological terms.

You mean "misunderstood" to be simply 'racism'.

  

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192. "No sir, 'understood' is correct"
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But I can understand how you would misunderstand if you think definitions begin and end in the dictionary

  

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191. "Racism -- Re:Definition"
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Okay, so let's say that racism is NOT:
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

So true racism is one group of people opressing another group, and it's about the abuse of power as some of you said so people being oppressed can't be racist. Sure, i can live with that definition.
It leaves me with a few questions though:

WHAT IS THE WORD THAT DOES FIT THESE DESCRIPTIONS?
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

If it's not racism, there must be no word for it yet. I'll make one up:

FLORP - Pronunciation Key (florp)
n.
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

I'm sure that everybody agrees that white, black, puertorican, asian, whatever, any race or ethnicity can be FLORP. Be honest, every single one of you knows at least one person who is FLORP, and some of you might be FLORP yourselves.
Maybe people have different motives for being FLORP. Black people are FLORP because they're reacting to racism maybe, or maybe because they never really got to know any white people. Whites are FLORP because they don't know any better, they were raised by FLORP parents, or simply because they're jerks who like to unleash their frustrations by belittling those who look different.

NOW... my point is, wether the definition in the original post is the true definition of racism or not, IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER! Because if it isn't, that's still no excuse to be FLORP and i've seen a lot of FLORP people on these boards, thinking they are justified to be FLORP because they had to deal with racism. It makes it more understandable though, but it still doesn't make it right. It's still judging a whole race by the actions of mainly the elite, the bad and the ignorant. And two wrongs don't make a right.

  

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193. "RE: DEFINITION OF RACISM"
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Basic thought learned in Black Studies:
Prejudice + Power=Racism....with out Power Prejudice is
just one jackass notions....put power behind it and you
have racism...Blacks cannot be racist BUT have plenty
of prejudices...we own nothing, we command nothin and
have a foot hold in things that add of to much of nothing
such as NBA, rap & such. Yeah we entertain and we have a
hand full of folks who make a nice pocket of change off
these endeavors BUT who makes the final decisions at the
end of the day. Who is in the head office...

This is of course my humblest thoughts and God forgive m
if I mislearned what Prof. Hord was trying to teach.

As usual, Much PEACE & CHICKENGREASE.

Michele

  

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196. "We are still minstrels...that is all."
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Minstrels have always been paid well...but there can only be so many...what was the unemployent rate for blacks during the civil rights movement? It was in and around 50%...and guess where it is today? Hmm.

http://garnet.acns.fsu.edu/~pmason/book.htm

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Paul Bogle...nuff said.

"Well, when your every breath and will to live is an act of resistance, you cannot help but be 'too political'. To do otherwise is to hide, to live in denial and defeat." --ArabHottie

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"Why is the country run by an ovbious idiot? Why is New Edition trying to make a comeback? Why are a lot of women attracted to thugs with no potential in life? Who shot J.R.?
Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
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"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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194. "Let's end this: Racism is...."
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There are 4 layers to racism:

1.) Personal: (beliefs, attitude, feelings)
2.) Interpersonal: (behavior including communication with others)
3.) Institutional: (rules and policies written or unwritten which maintain dominance and control)
4.) Cultural: (standards of beuauty, appropoiateness, goodness)

If you support any of these you can be both a good liberal minded white brotha...and a rascist at the same time. It's that simple

Enough with talking in circles.

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Paul Bogle...nuff said.

"Well, when your every breath and will to live is an act of resistance, you cannot help but be 'too political'. To do otherwise is to hide, to live in denial and defeat." --ArabHottie

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"Why is the country run by an ovbious idiot? Why is New Edition trying to make a comeback? Why are a lot of women attracted to thugs with no potential in life? Who shot J.R.?
Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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195. "RE: Let's end this: Racism is...."
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>There are 4 layers to racism:
>
>1.) Personal: (beliefs, attitude, feelings)
>2.) Interpersonal: (behavior including communication with
>others)
>3.) Institutional: (rules and policies written or unwritten
>which maintain dominance and control)
>4.) Cultural: (standards of beuauty, appropoiateness,
>goodness)
>
>If you support any of these you can be both a good liberal
>minded white brotha...and a rascist at the same time. It's
>that simple

Or a good liberal minded black brotha, and racist at the same time. You're smart.

  

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197. "Please refrain from using the term racist"
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That term no longer fits the definition of the top post. It's called FLORP now.

  

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198. "Exact;y!!!!!!!!!! Now you get it!!!!!!"
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IF you are black man suffering from this...you have yurugu infection- which is internalized racism from the system.

Much like a child who might see his father beat his mother...this sickness can also be internalized and used in their life. It is a vicious-ugly cycle. It must be eliminated.

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Paul Bogle...nuff said.

"Well, when your every breath and will to live is an act of resistance, you cannot help but be 'too political'. To do otherwise is to hide, to live in denial and defeat." --ArabHottie

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"Why is the country run by an ovbious idiot? Why is New Edition trying to make a comeback? Why are a lot of women attracted to thugs with no potential in life? Who shot J.R.?
Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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199. "soc101 ...University hard knocks"
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everybody is racist in a way its fed into us consiously unconsciously by media friends peers suroundings
some people believe it 100% some people learn from their ignorance

cuz even the most open minded god fearing everybody loving person will say some stupid shit @ one point in there life

& if u say u dont notice anybodys difference is that is a disservice to people we are all meant to be different look different speak different
Thats what makes us who we are

We can only strive to be better people & thats all people
whatever the race

I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel.

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200. "yup...200!"
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Paul Bogle...nuff said.

"Well, when your every breath and will to live is an act of resistance, you cannot help but be 'too political'. To do otherwise is to hide, to live in denial and defeat." --ArabHottie

" If we can't learn to live together despite the turmoil of past generations we are doomed." -Stern

"Why is the country run by an ovbious idiot? Why is New Edition trying to make a comeback? Why are a lot of women attracted to thugs with no potential in life? Who shot J.R.?
Why can't I find a woman that knows how to make Lemon Meringue Pie with the little Nilla wafers around the edges? And more importantly, who in the fuck left the gate open?" --Jarek James.

"And where today is the stable community that would sustain such a couple, where one can be both poor and diginified and raise one's children with decency and hope... If the answer is education, does our society adequateley provide that tool of self-improvement to the less well off?"-- Sidney Poitier

" I'm not mad 'cus I'm losing! I'm mad 'cus I don't know how to win!" --Kevin Curtis Daniels Jr.

"And herein lies the tragedy of the age: not that men are poor,-all men know something of poverty; not that men are wicked,-who is good? Not that men are ignorant, -what is Truth? Nay, but that men know so little of men."
W.E.B. Dubois


"Slaves got options...cowards aint got shit." --PS
"Once upon a time, little need existed for making the distinction between a nigga and a black—at least not in this country, the place where niggas were invented" -- Donnell A

  

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