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"OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"


  

          

The fall season is right here and we have some big cards coming up starting with All Out on September 5th. In NJPW we have the G1 Climax Tournament that's starting later than usual this year and is always a banger. WWE we have Survivor Series which I'm sure will be another mix between Raw, Smackdown, and NXT. Even though Wrestle Kingdom is right after the new year (January 4th) that always feels like an end of the year show.

Any predictions?

Who's the best performer so far this year?
Best storyline in wrestleing?
Anyone due for a title shot?

Trying to build a watch along group for most shows. We already do AEW every Wednesday and all the PPVS. As always the link is https://s.kast.live/g/8lf7lrmxzl and we'll be kicking off with the All Out PPV this weekend

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All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
3
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
13
      I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually
Sep 04th 2020
14
      RE: I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually
Sep 04th 2020
17
           when I was watching he was so over
Sep 04th 2020
18
                I mean, Darby is on the card.
Sep 05th 2020
19
      I see Page or Omega being the one to take it off Mox
Sep 05th 2020
23
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
5
You and me both.
Sep 04th 2020
8
they ruin segments
Sep 04th 2020
9
Y’all are tripping on Orange
Sep 05th 2020
27
      its not gotten beyond indie nonsense
Sep 05th 2020
28
      According to the ratings they hit over a million on that segment
Sep 05th 2020
29
           we'll see when hes working with someone else
Sep 05th 2020
32
      We'll see about Orange.
Sep 05th 2020
30
           I want Jungleboy to go solo
Sep 05th 2020
31
                Luchasaurus is big time diminishing returns for me
Sep 05th 2020
33
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
15
      this PPV really exposed the issues with the way they book stuff
Sep 05th 2020
22
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
7
i dont need Kenny Omega on TV at all
Sep 04th 2020
10
      You crazy
Sep 04th 2020
11
           im not going out of my way with *anybody*
Sep 04th 2020
12
Oh, one last prediction
Sep 05th 2020
20
RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
2
RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
4
RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
6
RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
16
      idk how it happened, but Spears got me to turn around on him
Sep 05th 2020
21
      Agreed, Spears would kinda drag the stable down imo
Sep 05th 2020
24
           He would be there to eat the pins
Sep 05th 2020
25
                Great point
Sep 05th 2020
26
So Matt Hardy almost died.
Sep 05th 2020
34
It should have been stopped
Sep 05th 2020
35
Bad not for Matt’s
Sep 05th 2020
36
So... I think it was an intentionally botched spot
Sep 05th 2020
37
      I initially thought it was going to be a work.
Sep 06th 2020
41
An hour too long
Sep 05th 2020
38
I enjoyed it quite a bit
Sep 06th 2020
39
Lol autocorrect
Sep 06th 2020
40
So, Miro is All Elite
Sep 16th 2020
42
Miro's intro was weak
Sep 16th 2020
43
Tonight's Dynamite was great. Best episode in weeks
Sep 16th 2020
44
We this years G1 winner *spoiliers*
Oct 18th 2020
45
RE: We this years G1 winner *spoiliers*
Oct 18th 2020
46
Lmao, Kenny’s entrance was ridiculous this week
Oct 21st 2020
47
this shit is a day late and a couple dollars short
Oct 21st 2020
48
I mean, there was zero way that Sonny was winning anyway
Oct 21st 2020
49
      as long as he don't squash Pentagon this week I'm fine with it.
Oct 27th 2020
54
           He shouldn't squash Penta at all
Oct 27th 2020
55
           Well, that certainly wasn't a squash
Oct 29th 2020
56
                Sammy should get the "Et tu, Brute?" moment.
Oct 29th 2020
57
                Barnburner status
Oct 29th 2020
58
a few top guys are realizing their final forms. Fun to watch.
Oct 26th 2020
50
You ready for an Edge title run tho?
Oct 26th 2020
51
You have a lot more faith in it than me
Oct 26th 2020
52
This Wyatt stuff BEEN stupid
Oct 26th 2020
53
Not good or great in my opinion, but definitely intriguing
Oct 30th 2020
59
AEW: Full Gear PPV tonight
Nov 07th 2020
60
RE: AEW: Full Gear PPV tonight
Nov 07th 2020
62
Watching it with a neighbor and friends tonight
Nov 07th 2020
63
this Roman tribal chief mob shit is corny as hell
Nov 07th 2020
61
Anyone else watch Power Struggle?
Nov 07th 2020
64
Looks like they took the easy way out for the WK main event
Nov 09th 2020
68
      Yeah that was a weird booking decision, BUT
Nov 09th 2020
71
           I’m good with any of them emerging champ
Nov 09th 2020
74
                I agree
Nov 10th 2020
76
So, that was a really good show.
Nov 08th 2020
65
Fantastic ppv
Nov 08th 2020
66
The Bucks vs Hangman/Omega match was ridiculous
Nov 09th 2020
72
      I have to rewatch Bucks vs Hangman/Omega
Nov 09th 2020
75
Jericho might be my GOAT, but he needs that DDP yoga and paleo
Nov 08th 2020
67
      He thinks hes ripped tho
Nov 09th 2020
69
           He looks like he boozes as much as Hangman’s character does
Nov 09th 2020
70
                I think he does
Nov 09th 2020
73
AEW is losing me
Nov 11th 2020
77
I think we're the resident Orange Cassidy haters.
Nov 11th 2020
78
i dont even hate him really.
Nov 12th 2020
83
There’s 2 obvious American stars there - Cody and MJF
Nov 11th 2020
79
gotta include Ricky Starks imo
Nov 11th 2020
80
What do we think about Darby?
Nov 12th 2020
84
      the pieces are there for sure. but he needs to talk to us.
Nov 12th 2020
86
this schizophrenic fucking show lol.
Nov 11th 2020
81
well that was really really good
Nov 11th 2020
82
RE: AEW is losing me
Nov 12th 2020
85
I agree with all that
Nov 12th 2020
87
      This is how NJPW started losing me too
Nov 13th 2020
88
           AEW cant fill time with anything else
Nov 13th 2020
89
here's a novel half-defending them
Nov 16th 2020
90
      its more flashes of potential for me, but relly good ones
Nov 18th 2020
95
      RE: its more flashes of potential for me, but relly good ones
Nov 18th 2020
96
           the tournament itself was a problem for me
Nov 19th 2020
99
                RE: the tournament itself was a problem for me
Nov 19th 2020
100
                they screwed up chopping down Cage and Archer so quickly.
Nov 19th 2020
102
                Yeah, they keep throwing out the rankings in the COVID era
Nov 20th 2020
103
      RE: here's a novel half-defending them
Nov 19th 2020
98
           i said this above, but treading water till crowds come is a mistake
Nov 19th 2020
101
it would seem they're doing a WWE title change on Raw, if you care
Nov 16th 2020
91
RE: it would seem they're doing a WWE title change on Raw, if you care
Nov 17th 2020
92
I feel for Drew big time. He needs crowds. He's legitimate.
Nov 17th 2020
94
Just the annual balancing out the Survivor Series card
Nov 17th 2020
93
God Moxley sucks
Nov 18th 2020
97
Agree 10000000000000000%%%
Nov 20th 2020
104
I’m watching this Cassidy Vs. Sabian
Nov 21st 2020
105
Blade vs. Pac.....stupid
Nov 22nd 2020
106
      I think a lot of yall just hate wrestling now
Nov 22nd 2020
107
           Nah, McIntyre / Reigns was awesome
Nov 23rd 2020
108
           I just want it to make sense
Nov 24th 2020
109
                pop culture at large agrees with you
Nov 25th 2020
110
                     Raw is the worst
Nov 25th 2020
114
                          Cornette is dead on about more money from fewer people
Nov 27th 2020
115
           thats one perspective
Nov 25th 2020
111
                RE: thats one perspective
Nov 25th 2020
112
                     they gotta make up for a lot of the talent having no swag or psychology
Nov 25th 2020
113

mrhood75
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1. "All Out predicitions"
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Fri Sep-04-20 02:29 AM by mrhood75

  

          

AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF
Moxley. MJF left him bloody on Wednesday, so that means it's Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.


AEW World Tag Team Championship: Kenny Omega & Adam Page (c) vs. FTR
FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

AEW Women's World Championship: Hikaru Shida (c) vs. Thunder Rosa
Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves with the belt.

Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the mimosa pool afterwards.

21-man Casino Battle Royal for an AEW championship opportunity
Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV before Archer fights Moxley.

The Dark Order vs. Matt Cardona, Scorpio Sky & The Natural Nightmares
Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody comes back from filming on Arrow.

Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.

The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.

Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

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3. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead
>heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.
>

agreed. Plenty of time to get MJF there. I don't think we've seen the full extent of his heelness yet. I think Mox drops it at the next ppv though.


>FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split
>up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

Definitely. The split has been teased long enough and FTR is the right team to run with.

>Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves
>with the belt.

Gotta be Shida, though I love Thunder Rosa and hope this is the beginning of a great relationship between NWA and AEW. Aldis would fit right in with the top players in the Men's division.


>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>mimosa pool afterwards.

Probably, but I'll be rooting for Orange.


>Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're
>not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his
>shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV
>before Archer fights Moxley.

God, the segment for this was a mess. I think we'll see a small surprise here and my boy Pentagon will take it.


>Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody
>comes back from filming on Arrow.
>
>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
>Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.
>
>The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
>Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.

Agree on all these

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>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

My pick is Britt cause I think she's the strongest personality in the division and she should be the one to take the title off of Shida. Would've been interested in this a couple months ago but it's been drawn out too much due to Britt's injury. They honestly should've had her shit on people w/o actually feuding with anyone until she was nearly ready to come back.

  

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13. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>agreed. Plenty of time to get MJF there. I don't think we've
>seen the full extent of his heelness yet. I think Mox drops it
>at the next ppv though.

I'm not sure who he'd drop it to tho. It'd be pointless to put the title on someone like Lance Archer. Maybe Rhodes if he comes back. There's been rumors of them re-forming the Horsemen with FTR, Hangman, and Rhodes, so I can see it. Even if I don't like putting the belt on the guy in charge. Maybe Omega. I'd like to see Page eventually get it at some point.


>Definitely. The split has been teased long enough and FTR is
>the right team to run with.


>Gotta be Shida, though I love Thunder Rosa and hope this is
>the beginning of a great relationship between NWA and AEW.
>Aldis would fit right in with the top players in the Men's
>division.

I definitely hope this isn't a one-off with Rosa and she sticks around. And brings in Aldis.


>Probably, but I'll be rooting for Orange.

Me too. Can't help but liking the dude. But I doubt Jericho is losing twice to him at this point.


>God, the segment for this was a mess. I think we'll see a
>small surprise here and my boy Pentagon will take it.

Yeah, Jake keeps talking over Tazz. It seems like they're setting up the eventual feud between Archer and Kage, but Jake needs to let Tazz do his talking and vice versa.

I'd certainly like a surprise, and the new Eddie Kingston/Butcher and Blade/Lucha Bros. stable are the only other people that they've given any attention to this thing. Personally, I'd hope that of them Eddie Kingston wins, but that's mostly because I love the Lucha Bros. as team, and I want them in the Tag Title picture.

>My pick is Britt cause I think she's the strongest personality
>in the division and she should be the one to take the title
>off of Shida. Would've been interested in this a couple months
>ago but it's been drawn out too much due to Britt's injury.
>They honestly should've had her shit on people w/o actually
>feuding with anyone until she was nearly ready to come back.

I was operating on the "person who stomps out right before the PPV usually wins" principle, but I see that arguement.

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14. "I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually"
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I like him a lot better than Page.

Haven’t watched since the PPV in May though so I have no idea what they’ve been doing with him.

Now that summer is winding down, I gotta start watching again.

  

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17. "RE: I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually"
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>I like him a lot better than Page.
>
>Haven’t watched since the PPV in May though so I have no
>idea what they’ve been doing with him.

He had a title shot against Moxley. But that was mostly in the midst of his feud with Ricky Starks, which won't be resolved during the PPV.

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18. "when I was watching he was so over"
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And I watched pretty much every week until late May. Got rid of my TV services when there was no sports on and summer was hitting and got out of the loop.

To be fair to Page, I gotta see him more on his own. To this point I like him, but I don’t love him.

I bought the last few PPVs. On the fence with this one. No Darby, and no TNT title defense are strikes against it. Though I really like the title matchup and my other favorites Jericho and Britt Baker are on there.

  

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19. "I mean, Darby is on the card. "
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He’s in the 21-Man Battle Royale for a title shot. And his feud with Sparks has kept him on TV and should figure prominently in the match. So it’s not like they’re sweeping him aside. I really doubt he wins the match tho.

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23. "I see Page or Omega being the one to take it off Mox"
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>I'd certainly like a surprise, and the new Eddie
>Kingston/Butcher and Blade/Lucha Bros. stable are the only
>other people that they've given any attention to this thing.
>Personally, I'd hope that of them Eddie Kingston wins, but
>that's mostly because I love the Lucha Bros. as team, and I
>want them in the Tag Title picture.

Yeah, Kingston would be fantastic.

  

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5. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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Fri Sep-04-20 03:18 PM by cgonz00cc

  

          

>AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF
>Moxley. MJF left him bloody on Wednesday, so that means it's
>Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead
>heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.

I think MJF is gonna win it. A talkin ass heel with a cooler is a heat magnet. Page takes it off of him at Revolution in Feb.

>AEW World Tag Team Championship: Kenny Omega & Adam Page (c)
>vs. FTR
>FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split
>up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

they fucked this up so bad. unless they are doing a SWERVE BRO wherein Page turns on Omega, its fucking stupid. they will have turned Hangman into a whiny pussy that sabotaged his stablemates because he was scared of them. Page+Spears+FTR is the only satisfying way out of the corner they painted themselves into

>AEW Women's World Championship: Hikaru Shida (c) vs. Thunder
>Rosa
>Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves
>with the belt.

Rosa for the win, and ahe drops it before NWA resumes

>Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>mimosa pool afterwards.

ive tried and failed to care less about this.

>21-man Casino Battle Royal for an AEW championship
>opportunity
>Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're
>not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his
>shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV
>before Archer fights Moxley.

idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler right now so i hope he wins.

>The Dark Order vs. Matt Cardona, Scorpio Sky & The Natural
>Nightmares
>Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody
>comes back from filming on Arrow.

why is scorpio sky in this? why isnt it Dustin vs Brodie? i hate this whole fucking angle.

>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
>Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.

Again...wtf. This should have BEEN the tables match, but they hot-shotted it and now its a gimmick.

>The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
>Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.



>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

This was the thing i had the most interest until the revelation that its a cinematic match. Imo Baker-Swole is the best program theyve had since the last PPV. But they couldnt just have a fucking match, so here we are.

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8. "You and me both."
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>>Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
>>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>>mimosa pool afterwards.
>
>ive tried and failed to care less about this.

Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

I would add Janela to that list but mercifully he isn't featured much.

>>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.
>
>This was the thing i had the most interest until the revelation that >its a cinematic match. Imo Baker-Swole is the best program theyve had >since the last PPV. But they couldnt just have a fucking match, so here >we are.

I believe the theory is that Britt still isn't well enough for a full in-ring return so they're using the cinematic format as a cover. They probably feel like they've dragged it out long enough and want them to feature on a PPV.

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9. "they ruin segments"
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>Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only
>people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind
>going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best
>Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

the only thing any of them have done to entertain me was when Chuck Taylor said "punched my friend in the dick" on TV. thats the sum total of their positive contributions to my viewing.

>I would add Janela to that list but mercifully he isn't
>featured much.

ya know, i was kinda into the Janela-Sonny tag team....until they did Nakazawa's shit on Dark. everything is so schizophrenic, waffling between wrestling and people acting like they are in a terrible movie *about* wrestling

>I believe the theory is that Britt still isn't well enough for
>a full in-ring return so they're using the cinematic format as
>a cover. They probably feel like they've dragged it out long
>enough and want them to feature on a PPV.

which in and of itself is a travesty because she was injured with a reckless botch, and she's one of their best tv characters

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27. "Y’all are tripping on Orange"
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>
>Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only
>people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind
>going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best
>Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

Best Friends are fun on the indies, but I now realize they don’t belong on TV. Actually keep Trent as a singles guy even if the personality ain’t all there. I’m not usually a stickler for this but... Chuck’s body shape is just weird. Do some cardio dawg.

I used to defend Marko a bit, but now he annoys the fuck out of me. It doesn’t help that JR insists on calling him “Little Marko” lol.

Orange is great though, and while this feud has veered into comedy a little more than it should (whatever, I’m still laughing at how Jericho’s jacket got more orange every week), I still think this has been a great way to introduce him as a legitimate threat. Months ago I said I wanted to see how they took the character to the next level... this is what I was talking about. We’re finding out what makes him tick.

  

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28. "its not gotten beyond indie nonsense"
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i would assume getting the shit kicked out of one's self over and over again would make anyone "tic" if they survived it

i dont care if he can do some moves. i want a reason to care about someone.

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29. "According to the ratings they hit over a million on that segment"
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That was their highest mark of the night. I dunno man, seems like people are really into Orange Cassidy.

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32. "we'll see when hes working with someone else"
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and not the 5x WWE champ, 3x Billboard charting, NYT Best Selling, VH1 regular, pop culture icon that is Chris Jericho

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30. "We'll see about Orange."
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I've only enjoyed one match of his and that was the one with PAC for obvious reasons. His matches are all very same-y and not in a good way for me. He's overexposed for me and Jericho is doing all of the heavy lifting in this feud.

Trent(?) should be a mid-carder who puts on good matches on Dynamite in mostly losing efforts when they're building someone else. They can use Dark and/or the second show when it starts to give him some singles wins and keep him relevant.

I found out that Marko has a brother two weeks ago and now I'm terrified that there will be a Stunt tag team in AEW at some point. Marko has decreased my enjoyment of Jurassic Express almost to nothing and in my opinion he's really holding them back.

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31. "I want Jungleboy to go solo"
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>I found out that Marko has a brother two weeks ago and now I'm
>terrified that there will be a Stunt tag team in AEW at some
>point. Marko has decreased my enjoyment of Jurassic Express
>almost to nothing and in my opinion he's really holding them
>back.

Luchasuarus is fine as a wrestler but I don’t give a shit about him. Also he should never talk. Marko is a huge distraction. Jungleboy is damn good and I’d love to see him get a big push, maybe win the TNT title eventually.

  

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33. "Luchasaurus is big time diminishing returns for me"
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the more i see, the less i want to see

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15. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>I think MJF is gonna win it. A talkin ass heel with a cooler
>is a heat magnet. Page takes it off of him at Revolution in
>Feb.

I'd actually prefer this scenario. Especially with Page eventually winning it down the road. Have Moxley lose the title due to MJF goading him into using the Paradigm Shift and destroying him in the process, then turn MJF into a version of Honky Tonk Man as IC champion and Jericho as Crusierweight champ on overdrive. Keep the "campaign" going and turn him into the Drumf of AEW.

However, I'm still going with aforementioned "guy who gets beaten bloody right before the PPV goes over" principle. Along with the likelihood that lots of other heels are going this PPV.


>they fucked this up so bad. unless they are doing a SWERVE BRO
>wherein Page turns on Omega, its fucking stupid. they will
>have turned Hangman into a whiny pussy that sabotaged his
>stablemates because he was scared of them. Page+Spears+FTR is
>the only satisfying way out of the corner they painted
>themselves into

I think that they could do an angle where this is his rock-bottom and he builds himself back up from there, eventually into the main event picture.



>idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler
>right now so i hope he wins.

I like Starks, but they still haven't resolved him vs. Darby Allin (I hope Starks goes over there)


>why is scorpio sky in this? why isnt it Dustin vs Brodie? i
>hate this whole fucking angle.

WIth Scorpio, I guess they're paying off the "respectful" match between him and Cody a few weeks ago. As for Dustin, he's 51 and I don't think anyone would believe him even having a semi-legit shot at Brodie. it'd be more of a match on Dynamite.


>Again...wtf. This should have BEEN the tables match, but they
>hot-shotted it and now its a gimmick.

I agree. Guevara should have won another type of match, and the table match is the blow-off.


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22. "this PPV really exposed the issues with the way they book stuff"
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they dont tell us why stuff happens, and instead make it all Schiavone's responsibility to hypothesize why people are doing the things they are doing. thats the main reason i think he's been so pivotal to the shows. the booking knows the "things" to do, but doesnt understand how to convey realistic motivation.

>Jericho as Crusierweight
>champ on overdrive.

lmao this is my sister's all time favorite angle. CONSPIRACY VICTIM!

>Along
>with the likelihood that lots of other heels are going this
>PPV.

They have a babyface problem thats starting to affect the shows imo. Id like to see Kazarian get a lil push. His work is absolutely impeccable, and his whole thing exudes believability to me. If they give people a reason to get behind him, that could be a big help. I would have no problem whatsoever with him taking the TNT Title off Bruised-ego Brodie at some point.

>I think that they could do an angle where this is his
>rock-bottom and he builds himself back up from there,
>eventually into the main event picture.

they could, but i dont know why they needed to break him down when they had lightning in a bottle with COWBOY SHIT.

>>idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler
>>right now so i hope he wins.

>I like Starks, but they still haven't resolved him vs. Darby
>Allin (I hope Starks goes over there)

which is also a weird piece of booking. they havent figured out how to use non-finishes on TV, so instead of heat we'll get a 2 or 3 minute spot in a clusterfuck for their first official competitive interaction. that "I dont need to paint my face" promo literally lifted me out of my seat with chills, and imo was the single best piece of mic work in all of AEW this far. we deserve better.

>WIth Scorpio, I guess they're paying off the "respectful"
>match between him and Cody a few weeks ago.

i assumed thats what it was but why wasnt he given the chance to tell us why he came out to help? a callback to a match that wasnt that great only makes me think of the match that wasnt that great, and I think Sky deserves better.

>As for Dustin,
>he's 51 and I don't think anyone would believe him even having
>a semi-legit shot at Brodie. it'd be more of a match on
>Dynamite.

Maybe, but thats heat. He's overmatched physically, too old, but crafty and motivated to avenge his little brother. Let him get his ass kicked...hell, its probably better that way. If someone did that to your little brother, would you care that hes probably gonna beat your ass too? I wouldnt, and nobody else would either. Tell the damn story!

>I agree. Guevara should have won another type of match, and
>the table match is the blow-off.

The tables match as it went down, on PPV, would have served as an effective passing of the torch, and done SO much for Sammy. Now im afraid they're gonna make him look stupid, and i don't think he's quite there yet to be able to talk his heat back up Wednesday.

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7. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF

I think Moxley retains and then loses to Omega with the next two new champions being Hangman and then MJF.

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10. "i dont need Kenny Omega on TV at all"
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much less as the champion. dude's last singles match was a grueling 20 minute battle with...

*checks notes*

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11. "You crazy"
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Dude is one of the best wrestlers in the world. People have been wanting him as champ before AEW had their own show.

If you get The Cleaner Kenny as your champ people are going to be really into it.

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12. "im not going out of my way with *anybody*"
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for some people, thats good. ive never seen an invisible man, invisible hand grenade, or pause button. So all that indie shit never happened to me. Janela, Chuck Taylor, OC, and so many others get a free pass for all of it.

for others, like Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks, thats not so good. they cant do a believable promo, and can barely deliver a produced vignette. i cant handle Matt Jackson hulking up without wishing Rick Steiner would do a shoot run in. Omega has actually gotten better in a tag team for me. For a while his shit had gotten more serious, and more interesting. But thats kinda fallen by the wayside again, and i dont think hes an amazing worker. I think hes a good athlete who can do the stuff, but why am i supposed to care? I dont want to be sports-entertained by theatre kids; I want to be entertained by sports contested by athletes.

This turned into kind of a rant, but they bug me. If Omega calms his tics down there may be hope. But the Bucks...nah. I dont understand how they ever got over anywhere.

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20. "Oh, one last prediction"
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Dark Order wins, but Colt Cabana leaves. Or, more likely, they turn against him. Seems like they're setting this up after tonight's episode of Dark. They try to make him fight dirty/injury someone on the Rhodes crew and he refuses. Then they can move him into a feud with Lee.

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2. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Who's the best performer so far this year?

I've been impressed with Drew's run as a babyface champ. Didn't think it would've worked as well as it has, but I can't say he's been the BEST so far this year. It's between Bayley and Orton for me.

>Best storyline in wrestling?

Bayley and Banks carried both main roster brands for months. They're pacing their story just right. I'm gonna say this one for me so far, but I'm putting a placeholder for how they do Reigns as a heel


>Anyone due for a title shot?

I'd like to see Reigns v. Big E at 'Mania. Already had a fantasy booking angle in my head when Reigns won and its no secret WWE is big on E right now.

I also want to see Cassidy with the TNT title, cause I think that is his ceiling. He's great all around, but I just don't see AEW going that route. If he does? Cool, but I think him with the TNT title would be great.


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4. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>
>Any predictions?

I included my All Out predictions under MrHood since I agreed with most of his. I'm trying to predict how New Japan plays out this year and I'm at a loss. Had the year played out normally I'd say it's Kota's time to climb the mountain, but the Naito double title run just got a restart and I doubt they take the belts off him in January.

So who wins the G1 to challenge Naito and lose? I think they keep Okada out of the main event scene for now and save Ibushi for next year. The Evil experiment is over. I would love to see a dark horse like SANADA or Ishii challenging but it seems unlikely. My pick is Jay White. The dude can go and has genuine heel heat. He'll get cheap wins to rack up points and be rested for the finals. I wonder if they'll even have time for someone to challenge for that spot ahead of WK.

>
>Who's the best performer so far this year?

Asuka. There are a handful of people who have shined during the COVID era, but she's turned chicken shit into chicken soup.

>Best storyline in wrestleing?

The Elite breakup

>Anyone due for a title shot?

I'd like to see Big E get his shot soon. Probably one more feud before he gets in the title picture though.

The aforementioned Ishii would put on a phenomenal title match with Naito.

My pick for AEW is always Pentagon. I want him to be champion forever in every company.

  

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6. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Who's the best performer so far this year?

Easily Cody. Second, Tony Schiavone. Both shows are wayyyyyy better with him playing point guard instead of Excali- "Chris" Bur-man

>Best storyline in wrestleing?

whats tully scheming on?

>Anyone due for a title shot?

I hate to say this, but....no. Scorpio Sky would have been my answer but Cody had more trouble with Warhorse, so...

> https://s.kast.live/g/8lf7lrmxzl

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16. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Second, Tony Schiavone. Both shows are wayyyyyy
>better with him playing point guard instead of Excali- "Chris"
>Bur-man

Agree. I really like him and Tazz working together.

>whats tully scheming on?>

I figure they gotta pull the trigger and the new Horsemen soon. Only thing is that I hope Spears isn't involved. He's fucking dry as toast, and the loaded glove isn't helping.

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21. "idk how it happened, but Spears got me to turn around on him"
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probably a little nostalgia for the black glove gimmick, which i understood and appreciated as soon as Tully opened the box. it suits him, as does the affiliation with Tully.

ive always hated that piece of shit Blanchard since i was 4 years old, so thats working for him

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24. "Agreed, Spears would kinda drag the stable down imo"
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>
>>whats tully scheming on?>
>
>I figure they gotta pull the trigger and the new Horsemen
>soon. Only thing is that I hope Spears isn't involved. He's
>fucking dry as toast, and the loaded glove isn't helping.
>

He was hot for a second with the Cody feud but I haven’t given a fuck about him since.

  

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25. "He would be there to eat the pins"
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I wouldn't be mad at him being involved, but I wouldn't be mad if they found someone else either.

Best case for him is they use him for a bit and he's the first member they eventually turn on.

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26. "Great point"
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>I wouldn't be mad at him being involved, but I wouldn't be
>mad if they found someone else either.
>
>Best case for him is they use him for a bit and he's the first
>member they eventually turn on.

Personality-wise I don’t see him fitting with any of the guys mentioned, but if this is how it plays out that would make sense.

  

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34. "So Matt Hardy almost died. "
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That was... a really sick botched spot. It was a bad look to keep the match going. Even if it was just a brief build to that final spot. Hardy looked completely dead on his feet.

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35. "It should have been stopped"
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I think if not for the stipulation that Hardly would leave if he lost the match they would have stopped it as soon as that spot happened.

I think Matt kept trying to push to continue but after a head injury like that it shouldn't have been up to him. Ref Aubrey tried to stop it but I think she was forced to keep it going. Hope Matt is ok. Can't be doing spots like that.

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36. "Bad not for Matt’s "
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Evan Bourne also almost died.

Feel bad for him with the Shockmaster debut.

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37. "So... I think it was an intentionally botched spot"
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that actually fucked Hardy up??? Like the table was way too close and Hardy obviously hit his head on the concrete, but then they kept the camera on the ref’s X, which is suspect because you’re supposed to cut away.

Idk, either way it was a terrible look. WWE did a fake X a few years back so there is a precedent, but I don’t think it’sa thing that should ever be done. The dumb explanation after the fact did nothing to make it look okay. Worst part of the night.

  

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41. "I initially thought it was going to be a work."
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Like you said, during the last period I was really into wrestling, refs were doing fake Xs and announcers were doing the soto voce when the guy (or girl) wasn't really injured. While watching it, my homie even said, "Oh, they're going to have him transform into 'Broken Matt' and then he'll stomp Guevara.'"

But some it become apparent that he'd knocked his brain loose, especially as he tried to keep fighting. And everything that happened on the way to the scaffolding and climbing up it just looked awful.

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38. "An hour too long"
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The 2nd half was really good but I was getting super tired cause of how long the first half was. They also need to figure out a way to mic the minimal crowd cause it was dead. Also did they stop moving the wrestlers sitting front row? How did it sound emptier than a few weeks ago?

Things I enjoyed:

Mox/MJF
Jericho/Cassidy
Bucks/Jurassic Express
Dark Order vs. Hodge Podge crew (big surprise, did not expect to like it, coulda been moved to Dynamite for time though)
Both preshow matches

Middling:

Tag Title (great match that was simply way too long)
Battle Royale (it was a mess and the Sudan bitch was brutal, but I mostly enjoyed it)
Shida/Rosa (good match that had no heat since it wasn’t a feud)

Could’ve done without:

Swole/Baker
Hardy/Sammy (let’s forget this ever happened)



  

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39. "I enjoyed it quite a bit"
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The bad: Britt vs. Swole should have stayed on the pre-show. Guevara vs. Hardy should have been ended or delayed, as Hardy probably couldn't have told you his own name after that bump. That match will probably never get mentioned again.

The okay:

The battle royale was messy as fuck and it was always clear Archer was going to win, but it had some good spots. It lets them continue Sparks vs. Allin, Kage vs. Archer for a little while, LAX vs. Best Friends (which I actually like), and even Hager vs. Sonny Kiss. They're going to have to establish Sydal as a bad-ass again after he falls in his fucking head the first time out.

Orange Cassidy vs. Jericho was slow, but I certainly smiled like shit when Cassidy won. Jericho is so fricking over that him losing the blow-off isn't going to hurt him.

And, yeah, the Dark Order vs. Dustin and crew was probably a Dynamite match, but Dustin winning was a feel good moment, and it further advances Cabana/Lee storyline. I'm okay if they milk for a while longer, where they keep trying to corrupt Colt, until he snaps.


The good: Young Guns vs. Jurassic Express, he women's title match, FTR winning, and Moxley vs. MJF were all money. Young Guns going heel again works, Page didn't end up looking weak, and MJF stays over even with the loss, as he'll have more shit to gripe about on Wednesday.

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40. "Lol autocorrect "
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Sudan bitch = Sydal botch

  

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42. "So, Miro is All Elite"
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That was a nice surprise when he came out during the whole Kip marriage angle. Interested in what they have in store for him.

Also, the A and B blocks have been announced for the G1 this year. As always I have no idea who is taking this thing.

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43. "Miro's intro was weak"
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>That was a nice surprise when he came out during the whole
>Kip marriage angle. Interested in what they have in store for
>him.

I don't see any reason for him to pal around with Kip Sabian unless Kip is immediately gonna say some shit that offends Miro and he throws him in the accolade. And what tf was the bit with 2 people thinking they were his best man? God that did not land.

Also pretty sick of the "this is a vague reference to why I hated WWE" even if it was just a couple lines. Would've been more tolerable if the whole thing was put together better. His appeal is that he's funny AND he's a badass. We didn't see either of those things.

>
>Also, the A and B blocks have been announced for the G1 this
>year. As always I have no idea who is taking this thing.

Still got Jay White this year, but it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. No more showcase tags before the tournament matches. I rarely watch those anyway so it's no loss for me.

  

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44. "Tonight's Dynamite was great. Best episode in weeks"
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Opening match between FTR and Jurassic Express was thoroughly enjoyable. Made Jungle Boy look even better than usual.

Page vs. Kazarian was also really good as well. Love how they're still slow-playing this angle.

MJF winning in 10 seconds then getting off another awesome promo worked. I wonder if they're really going to bring in a new "stable" or use this as a reason to talk shit about every faction in the company.

Eddie Kingston and crew's beatdown was fun. And Eddie talking shit while it was going on is hilarious. I want more of these cats.

Jericho/Hager vs. Private Party and Thunder Rose vs. Ivelese weren't earth shattering but they had perfectly good action, especially the former.

I can get behind what's largely a Hoss Fight for the six-man tag next week. And I can really get behind the beginning of this Hobbs semi-push (Yay Area!)

And Best Friends vs. Santana & Ortiz was phenomenal. I know some of y'all don't dig Best Friends, but I was all in on this. And Santana & Ortiz rocking the Dead Presidents face paint was the hardest shit ever. Just a fucking brutal match. And the end, from popping the trunk to Trent's Mom picking them up in the mini-van and flipping them off as they rode off into the sunset was perfect.

Only weak link is the Miro/Rusev stuff.

Looks like they're doing two broadcasts next week. Probably testing it out to see if it can work in the future.

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45. "We this years G1 winner *spoiliers*"
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Kota Ibushi wins for the second year in a row and will go on to Wrestle Kingdom to face Naito.

Great match between Ibushi and SANADA. I figured Kota would take this but NJPW always has a way of making me feel like anyone could win this match. At one point I think they were going to go ahead with SANADA and shock the world. Awesome show and another great G1 this year.

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46. "RE: We this years G1 winner *spoiliers*"
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>Kota Ibushi wins for the second year in a row and will go on
>to Wrestle Kingdom to face Naito.
>
>Great match between Ibushi and SANADA. I figured Kota would
>take this but NJPW always has a way of making me feel like
>anyone could win this match. At one point I think they were
>going to go ahead with SANADA and shock the world. Awesome
>show and another great G1 this year.

first wrestler to kick out of the kamigoye, so they made SANADA look like a million bucks. his time will come.

I gotta rewatch today cause I was watching live and dozing off.

  

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47. "Lmao, Kenny’s entrance was ridiculous this week"
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Don’t love Sonny getting zero offense in, but I like the story they’re telling with Omega and Page and their inevitable meeting

  

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48. "this shit is a day late and a couple dollars short"
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49. "I mean, there was zero way that Sonny was winning anyway"
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And I’m pretty sure that they’re setting up Omega winning the match at Full Gear and eventually the title, so they might as well as start his monster push.

Overall, I thought it was a really good episode overall. I’m hoping for a long slow build with Jericho and MJF.

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54. "as long as he don't squash Pentagon this week I'm fine with it."
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>And I’m pretty sure that they’re setting up Omega winning
>the match at Full Gear and eventually the title, so they might
>as well as start his monster push.
>
>Overall, I thought it was a really good episode overall. I’m
>hoping for a long slow build with Jericho and MJF.

same. if they don't rush this shit we're in for months of amazing segments.

  

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55. "He shouldn't squash Penta at all"
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I understand Sonny because they wanted to make Kenny seem like a prick after the win. I tell you what though I would like to see Kenny not take the match serious and Penta really bring it to him and Kenny has to resort to cheating a bit to get the win. I think it would fit with his return to being The Cleaner.

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56. "Well, that certainly wasn't a squash"
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It was probably the best match on Dynamite since the parking lot brawl. Penta and Omega went pretty crazy, and it advanced the "Omega going heel" storyline. I really hope that they don't break up the Lucha Bros. as well. But that seems to be the long game.


>>Overall, I thought it was a really good episode overall.
>I’m
>>hoping for a long slow build with Jericho and MJF.
>
>same. if they don't rush this shit we're in for months of
>amazing segments.

Going good so far. I honestly don't know if they have MJF or Jericho win, but I'm guessing MJF somehow ends up in the Inner Circle and slowly takes it away from Jericho, leading to his face turn.

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57. "Sammy should get the "Et tu, Brute?" moment."
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58. "Barnburner status"
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>It was probably the best match on Dynamite since the parking
>lot brawl. Penta and Omega went pretty crazy, and it advanced
>the "Omega going heel" storyline. I really hope that they
>don't break up the Lucha Bros. as well. But that seems to be
>the long game.
>

That destroyer on the ramp... holy shit. I screeched. I’m hoping the Lucha Bros don’t do a “break up” angle, but maybe go separate ways for a bit so they can each have a singles run. 3 things have become pretty clear:

1) AEW doesn’t know what to do with them as a team. They haven’t had any real storylines and have bounced around with different alliances (partially just an issue with getting PAC into the country during COVID).

2) Up until this tournament they haven’t shined as singles wrestlers when they absolutely can. These are main event guys that haven’t been tapped into (which is a good thing as the other main event guys have already been used).

3) Pentagon is a natural heel and Fenix is a natural face. As great as they are at tag team wrestling, the dynamics don’t make a lot of sense.

  

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50. "a few top guys are realizing their final forms. Fun to watch."
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Specifically, Rollins, Reigns, and Wyatt are all A+ right now. You can finally revolve the show around these guys - they look like the biggest deals, their stories have weight, their motivations make sense. Best characters in the company and homegrown talents.

Reigns in particular is finally as special as we've been told he was for all those years. Cena/Rock upside there.

there's a couple of other guys who are on the cusp of similar status too...McIntyre obviously, though I feel he really needs to get wins in front of crowds. Big E has it, provided he wants it which I can't tell. Andrade is the next Eddie Guerrero looking you in the face.

  

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51. "You ready for an Edge title run tho?"
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52. "You have a lot more faith in it than me"
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I still put it on as background on Mondays. But none of these plot lines are doing it for me

Also Orton champ again for real
Edit: Bray stuff is still fun as always

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53. "This Wyatt stuff BEEN stupid"
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And it’s a wack look for Alexa too.

  

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59. "Not good or great in my opinion, but definitely intriguing"
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The only programs I have had interest in are Reigns/Uso and the formation of the upcoming stable (hopefully), Banks/Bayley, and Orton/Drew (though now as Ceej mentioned we're about to get that Edge title run which I'm so against). Other than that when any other segment or angle is being present I have no interest in it. I still like the Fiend/Bray, but gotta give him a really good storyline for him to be invested.

And I agree about Andrade, I just think they have a bit more faith in Garcia, and I'm cool with that if they make him the next Guerrero

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60. "AEW: Full Gear PPV tonight"
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As always watch along with us at: https://s.kast.gg/g/8lf7lrmxzl


Serena Deeb vs. Allysin Kay (NWA Women's Championship)
Orange Cassidy vs. John Silver
MJF vs. Chris Jericho
Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (The Elite Deletion)
Adam Page vs. Kenny Omega
FTR vs. The Young Bucks (AEW Tag Team Championships)
Cody vs. Darby Allin (TNT Championship)
Hikaru Shida vs. Nyla Rose (AEW Women's Championship)
Jon Moxley vs. Eddie Kingston (AEW World Championship)

Who you got?

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62. "RE: AEW: Full Gear PPV tonight"
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>Serena Deeb vs. Allysin Kay (NWA Women's Championship)
Idk... put it back on Rosa!

>Orange Cassidy vs. John Silver
Orange

>MJF vs. Chris Jericho
MJF. Definitely want to see this program keep going.

>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (The Elite Deletion)
Ugh. I’m gonna say Hardy wins this one. Just don’t murder each other plz.

>Adam Page vs. Kenny Omega
Gotta be the Cleaner.

>FTR vs. The Young Bucks (AEW Tag Team Championships)
I was gonna say Bucks but apparently Matt has a serious knee injury he’s been nursing for a while. Maybe they lose but the Bucks still finagle another title shot later, cause I’m not sure why they’d add the stop about not challenging again.

>Cody vs. Darby Allin (TNT Championship)
I can see Darby winning, but I think they’ll set up a bigger threat to the title before taking it off Cody. I don’t buy this version of Darby doing it. Just brooding in the stands and putting together kinda weak video packages? Nah.

>Hikaru Shida vs. Nyla Rose (AEW Women's Championship)
Shida. Let’s get the title on Baker next time around though.

>Jon Moxley vs. Eddie Kingston (AEW World Championship)
Mox. Gotta get to Mox/Omega 2. I wonder how he gets Kingston to say “I quit” though.

  

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63. "Watching it with a neighbor and friends tonight"
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>
>Serena Deeb vs. Allysin Kay (NWA Women's Championship)

Deeb.

>Orange Cassidy vs. John Silver

Orange.

>MJF vs. Chris Jericho

I really can't call this one. Part of says MJF wins it out right. But I'd also be for Jericho winning, then letting MJF in the Inner Circle anyway because he showed "killer instinct." It'll make MJF turning his crew against him even better from a storytelling perspective.

>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (The Elite Deletion)

I guess Hardy with a definitive win to make up for last time. But yeah, don't kill each other.

>Adam Page vs. Kenny Omega

Omega.

>FTR vs. The Young Bucks (AEW Tag Team Championships)

I honestly hope it's FTR. I like them as heel champions. I figure it will be the Bucks. They already did the whole "owners can't go after the titles" with Cody. They've been all over the place with positioning them as heels or faces.

>Cody vs. Darby Allin (TNT Championship)

Hoping Allin, but again I can see Cody keeping it. I hope it isn't Team Taz costing Allin the win. They've done Allin/Starks as the undercard far too long. I'm fine with it if the title is involved.

>Hikaru Shida vs. Nyla Rose (AEW Women's Championship)

Shida. Then move on to Baker.

>Jon Moxley vs. Eddie Kingston (AEW World Championship)

Moxley. Hopefully it's brutal. Figure Omega wins next.

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61. "this Roman tribal chief mob shit is corny as hell"
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the only resolution I can see for this is Roman v Rock at Mania where the Rock makes him see the err of his ways in a losing effort or something

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64. "Anyone else watch Power Struggle?"
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I still gotta watch the main event but....

Holy fuck my jaw is on the floor at the Ibushi/White result. Did not see this coming, but it supports my pre-G1 theory. Give Naito a great heel to get past and have a nice run with both belts on Naito before Ibushi finally climbs the mountain next year.

  

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68. "Looks like they took the easy way out for the WK main event"
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The natural thing to do would be have Naito vs. Ibushi for the Intercontinental Title on the 4th and Naito vs. White for the Heavyweight Title on the 5th. Instead they chose to do Naito vs. Ibushi for the double belts on the 4th, with the winner taking on White for both belts on the 5th.

On the plus side, it makes WK entirely unpredictable. I give it even odds to all 3 of them to end up with the belts. But on the negative side, this renders the briefcase loss obsolete. Kinda dumb for such a historic change.

Also, what are they gonna do with Tana at WK? Maybe because they're not getting Moxley in January they decided to keep that briefcase with a heel. Or maybe they just didn't want to switch 2 briefcases in one night. That would've felt weird, and I certainly won't complain about a Kenta/Mox matchup, but I was still surprised at how clean Tana's loss was here. With all the losing he's been doing the last couple years I have to wonder how close to retirement he is.

  

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71. "Yeah that was a weird booking decision, BUT"
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In a way, and maybe this is me giving them too much credit, I can see how it would work.

Peep this

Jay White only has to wrestle once, on the 5th. He has the briefcase so he'll be the freshest wrestler in that title match. Naito and Ibushi face each other on the 4th. No matter who wins that match they're in no way going to be fresh for the 5th. The winner will be battered to hell. Jay White holding the briefcase means he has a serious advantage on the last night of Wrestle Kingdom.

At least this is what I told myself. This time the briefcase is like entering at number 30 for the rumble.

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74. "I’m good with any of them emerging champ"
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I just don’t want another BC fuckfest. I’ve seen enough nut shots to last a lifetime. Ban everyone from ringside for both matches just in case.

  

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76. "I agree"
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I don't mind the BC run ins on some matches but the main event to WK should be a solid match with no interference.

I'm still scared that EVIL is going to cost Jay the title and that'll start the battle within BC. I hope I'm wrong.

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65. "So, that was a really good show."
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Even better than the last PPV, which I enjoyed. Some great matches, some really good ones. A bunch really delivered.


Serena Deeb vs. Allysin Kay (NWA Women's Championship)
Perfectly fine, if unremarkable.

Adam Page vs. Kenny Omega
Hot opener for the PPV proper. Good story where they both knew how each other worked and how to counter each other's arsenal. Of course Omega won.

Orange Cassidy vs. John Silver
Good cool down match after Omega vs. Page. SIlver as Ricky Bobby is pretty entertaining.

Cody vs. Darby Allin (TNT Championship)
Another well-told story, with Allin surviving and out-working Cody by the end. And you could see the Team Taz coming, but it set things up decently.

Hikaru Shida vs. Nyla Rose (AEW Women's Championship)
Decent enough. Not incredible or anything. But they got the point across that Shida had do some serious overkill to win. And I guess Vickie and Nyla is over. So now it's Shida vs. Britt Baker and possibly Nyla vs. Big Swole.

Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (The Elite Deletion)
Cinematic was best way to go. And I must, I didn't have the return of Gangrel and Shane Helms on my Bingo card. Got really dark by the end. Kind of made the post-match punchline a little weird.


FTR vs. The Young Bucks (AEW Tag Team Championships)
An instant classic. Especially the back half. Another match that told a great story. I almost wanted it to end in a time limit draw. Would have preferred FTR win, but Young Bucks taking it made sense.

MJF vs. Chris Jericho
Got the point across, with MJF beating Jericho at his own game. But man, is YJK slow, and it's definitely hurting his matches. At this point, either hide him in tag matches or just make the transition to broadcaster. I know he doesn't want to retire, but he's gotta change something up.

Jon Moxley vs. Eddie Kingston (AEW World Championship)
Brutal as it had to be. Lots of cringing with the tacks and barbed wire. Moxley survives and it Kingston still looks strong.

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66. "Fantastic ppv"
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>Cody vs. Darby Allin (TNT Championship)
>Another well-told story, with Allin surviving and out-working
>Cody by the end. And you could see the Team Taz coming, but it
>set things up decently.

My tiny gripes with this match are:

1) the Last Supper roll up should’ve been the one that got the 3 count. More believable than the roll up that eventually did Cody in. Otherwise it was a great story. Cody was arrogant and misrepresented how his previous matches with Darby went, as a result Cody got caught. Actually would’ve preferred Cody going full heel here to sell the arrogance, but I guess there are too many heel factions so they gotta keep the Nightmare Family face. Still a weird line they’re walking with him though.

2) kinda sick of the beatdowns IMMEDIATELY after a face win. Not just in AEW, I mean all of wrestling. I get why they did it, but it’s been very prevalent lately and can be just as effective if done on TV the following week.

>FTR vs. The Young Bucks (AEW Tag Team Championships)
>An instant classic. Especially the back half. Another match
>that told a great story. I almost wanted it to end in a time
>limit draw. Would have preferred FTR win, but Young Bucks
>taking it made sense.

Match of the night imo. The big knock on the Bucks was that they could do all sorts of moves but couldn’t tell a story. I think that was a fair criticism, and even though they pretty much put that to bed 3 years ago that argument is officially dead after this and the match with Omega & Hangman a few months back.

>MJF vs. Chris Jericho
>Got the point across, with MJF beating Jericho at his own
>game. But man, is YJK slow, and it's definitely hurting his
>matches. At this point, either hide him in tag matches or just
>make the transition to broadcaster. I know he doesn't want to
>retire, but he's gotta change something up.

The match itself didn’t really do it for me and I don’t think it exactly told the story they were going for, but still can’t wait to see how the story plays out.

  

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72. "The Bucks vs Hangman/Omega match was ridiculous"
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>I think that was a fair criticism, and even though they pretty
>much put that to bed 3 years ago that argument is officially
>dead after this and the match with Omega & Hangman a few
>months back.

Definitely one of the absolute best tag matches I can think of in recent memory. It's hard to put together a match that tops that one, and you'd have to seriously tweak some of the ingredients.

You'd need to have the same quality work in-ring, with much bigger, better established superstar teams, with greater anticipation built up.

I realize that was an aside, but I love the hell out of that match, lol.

I didn't catch the PPV but if the FTR/YB match is comparable to the Omega/Hangman joint, I'll have to check it out.

  

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75. "I have to rewatch Bucks vs Hangman/Omega"
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>
>I didn't catch the PPV but if the FTR/YB match is comparable
>to the Omega/Hangman joint, I'll have to check it out.

My inkling is to say Bucks vs. Hangman/Omega based off of emotion alone, but Bucks/FTR was REALLY fucking good. It’s close.

  

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67. "Jericho might be my GOAT, but he needs that DDP yoga and paleo"
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Remember what he was looking like in his WWE comeback in 2012/13 when he was on that diet and yoga?

He looks like 1992 Greg The Hammer Valentine out there now.

  

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69. "He thinks hes ripped tho "
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>Remember what he was looking like in his WWE comeback in
>2012/13 when he was on that diet and yoga?
>
>He looks like 1992 Greg The Hammer Valentine out there now.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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70. "He looks like he boozes as much as Hangman’s character does"
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>>Remember what he was looking like in his WWE comeback in
>>2012/13 when he was on that diet and yoga?
>>
>>He looks like 1992 Greg The Hammer Valentine out there now.

  

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73. "I think he does"
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Maybe even more

Too much bubbly

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77. "AEW is losing me"
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that was better than the last few PPV outings but a lot of it was confusing and dumb

FTR-Bucks...why is this seen as good? The Bucks are truly terrible, the finish was obvious with the dumb stipulation, the spike piledriver spot was dumb and required way too much cooperation, i have trouble accepting the YBs winning ANY physical combat scenario, Matt Jackson's selling is hilariously bad (OW THIS HURTS JUST KIDDING WATCH THIS OW THIS HURTS AGAIN), Nick hit some move and got caught checking whether the camera was on him when he was "emoting", and the finish was fucking stupid. What a waste of FTR. Comparing Cash Wheeler to either one of these assholes as either a performer or athlete is patently absurd.

Moxley title match, trading moves all over the arena, bunch of plunder, thumbtacks, all his indie hits played yet again.

the Serena Deeb-Allysin Kay match was really good, and in general the NWA women have made the AEW women look really amateurish.

Cody-Darby was great, and im glad Ricky Starks got a little screen time.

Orange Cassidy-John Silver was a perfectly acceptable second match, even tho Orange Cassidy is a syndicated rerun by now. Its the same thing over and over and over. Where does this guy go? Why is he getting shoved down my throat while Jungle Boy languishes?

The women's title match was okay, but again bereft of selling despite working an injury angle. Ref Aubrey's authority and enforcement of rules made Vickie's interference mean something. How about that? Funny how that works...

Page-Omega...also okay. The "story" they told is way over blown tho. Two emo dudes in a tag team broke up amicably, if not mutually. Then they had a match based around a tournament. One guy won the match. The other guy cried and sulked in the shadows. The end. Im not seeing the reason i was supposed to care about 2 unlikable assholes. Which sucks because I reeeeeally like Adam Page as a worker.

The cinematic match was way too much smart mark wankery. Would be embarrassed to have watched that with a potential casual fan.

Jericho-MJF had a cool finish, but I honestly dont remember anything about the rest of it.

this turned into a rant, but fuck. they need a real live booker. on the plus side...Jim Ross was on fire working to get this shit over, and continued to be a vocal avatar for normal people watching fuckery and thinking "Is there any security at all here"?

and why wasnt there a god damn live mic near the ring? oh thats right, because your namesake faction cant talk. at least good ol TK knows not to give Omega and the Bucks enough microphone cord to hang themselves.

jesus i wrote a novel. but fuck!

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78. "I think we're the resident Orange Cassidy haters."
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I've been tired of him since his first match after PAC when it was obvious that he was a one-trick pony. Despite the fact that I thought they got Cody's return/Brodie Lee's reign completely wrong I was so glad that Orange Cassidy didn't end up as TNT Champ.

And if Roman Reigns can't get the Superman Punch over for me then there's no way this guy will.

>Moxley title match, trading moves all over the arena, bunch of
>plunder, thumbtacks, all his indie hits played yet again.
>

I hate to say it but I'm bored with Moxley. I think this feud with Eddie Kingston showed that it's really time for something new. I saw a lot of praise for it but I thought the build to this match was awful. Kingston is a great talker but all of that "nothing matters more in our industry than this championship," "this is why I never gave my mother a daughter-in-law" stuff and Moxley's responses to them were absurd (in a bad way).

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83. "i dont even hate him really. "
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it just got old the second time i saw him

it's an indie gimmick that doesnt belong on TV, but im sure hes a nice fella lol

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79. "There’s 2 obvious American stars there - Cody and MJF"
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The Bucks can be fun, but it’s all so deliberately indie that it does get really hard to take them seriously as credible competitors a lot of times

In order for someone to be a top guy, a performer has to WANT to be a top guy. That focus and effort comes through in mic work, in matches, and nowadays even in how some on is portrayed away from the ring - social media for example. A lot of these guys who we think should be top guys don’t seem to really understand the focus that entails. Miro, Hangman, and especially Omega all look the part and should be major players over there. But they’re not , and what’s worse is that they don’t really seem to care that they’re not.

Moxley is and will always be a derivative performer for me. He’s an amalgam of all of the worst traits of a bygone era in wrestling...a post-Attitude embodiment of all the bad stuff we’ve forgotten from that time. We of course remember Austin vs Rock at Mania 17, we remember Triple H returning at MSG - big stars doing mostly mature big star shit. But we forget that in that same period of time backyard wrestling was a real thing, there was a hardcore title, and that ECW was more popular than it deserved to be. Moxley seems to wear his influences on his sleeve, and those influences all seem to be the shit I hate most about late 90s/early 2000s pro wrestling.

In general, a lot of the performers on the AEW show just aren’t TV ready. They lack presence, they don’t project largely enough, they can’t elevate the stakes of their matches organically.

It’s good to have an alternative. But there’s two obvious guys on the entire AEW roster who could main event in WWE and that’s Cody and MJF. Omega is the obvious diamond in the rough - he could be every bit as big as Reigns or Rollins if he wanted - but it seems he’d rather just have fast patched matches and play video games.

I thought this show was going to be cool. Most of these guys and girls are definitely not cool.

  

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80. "gotta include Ricky Starks imo"
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and Jungle Boy has that potential but he needs a mentor, and he doesnt have anyone suitable around him

>The Bucks can be fun, but it’s all so deliberately indie
>that it does get really hard to take them seriously as
>credible competitors a lot of times

its never fun for me. its choreographed tomfoolery and i spend most of their matches hoping someone gets potatoed

>In order for someone to be a top guy, a performer has to WANT
>to be a top guy. That focus and effort comes through in mic
>work, in matches, and nowadays even in how some on is
>portrayed away from the ring - social media for example. A lot
>of these guys who we think should be top guys don’t seem to
>really understand the focus that entails. Miro, Hangman, and
>especially Omega all look the part and should be major players
>over there. But they’re not , and what’s worse is that
>they don’t really seem to care that they’re not.

i think Tony Khan thinks Omega IS a big star right now, and its laughably wrong. he spent his whole first year doing nothing memorable and getting no one else over. and now hes going to be the first ever national TV wrestling champion who has never done a live promo looking into a camera in the middle of the ring. its absurd.

>Moxley is and will always be a derivative performer for me.
>He’s an amalgam of all of the worst traits of a bygone era
>in wrestling...a post-Attitude embodiment of all the bad stuff
>we’ve forgotten from that time. We of course remember Austin
>vs Rock at Mania 17, we remember Triple H returning at MSG -
>big stars doing mostly mature big star shit. But we forget
>that in that same period of time backyard wrestling was a real
>thing, there was a hardcore title, and that ECW was more
>popular than it deserved to be. Moxley seems to wear his
>influences on his sleeve, and those influences all seem to be
>the shit I hate most about late 90s/early 2000s pro wrestling.

i dont forget, but it was segregated. WWF had a HC champion, but they never had HC matches for the World Title. so i could enjoy watching Bob Holly beat the shit out of someone at 845, and then be done with it by 10 for the main event.

>In general, a lot of the performers on the AEW show just
>aren’t TV ready. They lack presence, they don’t project
>largely enough, they can’t elevate the stakes of their
>matches organically.

they arent, and what they're doing is way worse than sending them out there and letting them fuck up over and over and over again until they get good at it.

>It’s good to have an alternative. But there’s two obvious
>guys on the entire AEW roster who could main event in WWE and
>that’s Cody and MJF. Omega is the obvious diamond in the
>rough - he could be every bit as big as Reigns or Rollins if
>he wanted - but it seems he’d rather just have fast patched
>matches and play video games.

No he couldnt lol. Even comparing him to RR as a babyface is an insult to the entire Anoa'i family. i met him a few times when we were both at Georgia Tech and he was absolutely terrifying even then lol.

>I thought this show was going to be cool. Most of these guys
>and girls are definitely not cool.

This is a core problem. Does anyone actually want to be like Chuck Taylor? Nick Jackson? Cowboy Shit was cool and then he got WWE'd so who knows how thats gonna change, but it has to

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84. "What do we think about Darby?"
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He’s the guy who has jumped out at me, of those who I didn’t previously know. Charismatic in his own way, over, and a good worker. Star potential IMO. Glad they’re pushing him.

  

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86. "the pieces are there for sure. but he needs to talk to us."
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the selling is great, the facials are great, the aggressive snap to his work is great

but that has a hard ceiling until he tells us who he is

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81. "this schizophrenic fucking show lol."
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what an excellent 30 minutes of pro wrestling television

zero nonsense, personal issues, and imo Sydal and Cage had a better match than any on the ppv other than the TNT title match. I feel like i finally saw why Evan Bourne was a big deal (just never saw him before)

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82. "well that was really really good"
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Jericho's obligatory RAW segment, and the Elite not even being able to do a believable pre-tape, aside...awesome stuff.

Starks, PAC, Schiavone's emotional investment into the Lucha Bros situation, Spears-Sky, and a bunkhouse match that had every opportunity to go off the rails but never did, all highly entertaining.

even Brandi managed to do something emotional and believable

as a wise man says "do more of the good shit, less of the bad shit"

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85. "RE: AEW is losing me"
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Some of the stuff they do is openly bad. It's just too indy in a bad way like you said. Like WWE, they basically have to be watched with fast-forwarding as an option.

I like the Bucks. I know I'm getting a nerdy video game match from them with all sorts of 80s NWA-level callbacks plus silly big moves. The kickout issue is a real one. I'm with everyone there. To me, it has been killing some of the NXT stuff this year too so that's not just the Bucks. Murrican rasslin needs a strong reset. Keep reversals. Lose most of the finisher kickouts. If you take a finish, you're finished 97% of the time. Problem solved. Then folks would have to figure out how to get people amped some other way. And also, people need to lose to more 'secondary' finishes. And they need to mess around more with match times to keep people off balance.

I miss Brandon Stroud's writing but can't defend the alleged foolishness. But that site was a big thing that kept me updated on WWE. Without it, there's just too much to watch and I haven't found another site to count on. I turn on WWE occasionally to get caught up, but I'm not even a lock to watch a PPV now depending on the card. It is kinda on them, kinda on 2020 being what it has been.

I got to the point where the weekly shows were too much of a mess for me to bother with...even with the ffwd after the fact plan. So that's where I'm at.

>that was better than the last few PPV outings but a lot of it
>was confusing and dumb
>
>FTR-Bucks...why is this seen as good? The Bucks are truly
>terrible, the finish was obvious with the dumb stipulation,
>the spike piledriver spot was dumb and required way too much
>cooperation, i have trouble accepting the YBs winning ANY
>physical combat scenario, Matt Jackson's selling is
>hilariously bad (OW THIS HURTS JUST KIDDING WATCH THIS OW THIS
>HURTS AGAIN), Nick hit some move and got caught checking
>whether the camera was on him when he was "emoting", and the
>finish was fucking stupid. What a waste of FTR. Comparing
>Cash Wheeler to either one of these assholes as either a
>performer or athlete is patently absurd.
>
>Moxley title match, trading moves all over the arena, bunch of
>plunder, thumbtacks, all his indie hits played yet again.
>
>the Serena Deeb-Allysin Kay match was really good, and in
>general the NWA women have made the AEW women look really
>amateurish.
>
>Cody-Darby was great, and im glad Ricky Starks got a little
>screen time.
>
>Orange Cassidy-John Silver was a perfectly acceptable second
>match, even tho Orange Cassidy is a syndicated rerun by now.
>Its the same thing over and over and over. Where does this
>guy go? Why is he getting shoved down my throat while Jungle
>Boy languishes?
>
>The women's title match was okay, but again bereft of selling
>despite working an injury angle. Ref Aubrey's authority and
>enforcement of rules made Vickie's interference mean
>something. How about that? Funny how that works...
>
>Page-Omega...also okay. The "story" they told is way over
>blown tho. Two emo dudes in a tag team broke up amicably, if
>not mutually. Then they had a match based around a
>tournament. One guy won the match. The other guy cried and
>sulked in the shadows. The end. Im not seeing the reason i
>was supposed to care about 2 unlikable assholes. Which sucks
>because I reeeeeally like Adam Page as a worker.
>
>The cinematic match was way too much smart mark wankery.
>Would be embarrassed to have watched that with a potential
>casual fan.
>
>Jericho-MJF had a cool finish, but I honestly dont remember
>anything about the rest of it.
>
>this turned into a rant, but fuck. they need a real live
>booker. on the plus side...Jim Ross was on fire working to
>get this shit over, and continued to be a vocal avatar for
>normal people watching fuckery and thinking "Is there any
>security at all here"?
>
>and why wasnt there a god damn live mic near the ring? oh
>thats right, because your namesake faction cant talk. at
>least good ol TK knows not to give Omega and the Bucks enough
>microphone cord to hang themselves.
>
>jesus i wrote a novel. but fuck!

  

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87. "I agree with all that "
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I find that when I watch PPVs now, I don’t even pay attention until the match has gone 10+ minutes and the finisher kickouts have started. That formula is just so played and boring.

If you read or watch any of these new nerd reviews of old PPVs, they all shit on the short matches with unpredictable finishes. SMH....those matches and finishes are NEEDED so when the big matches do something different, it feels special.

I don’t know...Attitude Era hotshotted everything in the name of shock value, and it’s all never been the same since.

  

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88. "This is how NJPW started losing me too"
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>I find that when I watch PPVs now, I don’t even pay
>attention until the match has gone 10+ minutes and the
>finisher kickouts have started. That formula is just so
>played and boring.

I love Okada with a passion and his title reign was spectacular. The matches were fantastic, but once the first Kenny Omega match got GOAT-level praise, it seemed like every title match went 30+ minutes.

It's the same reason why 2 out of 3 falls matches are lame, what's the point of caring until it's 1-1?

Going back and re-watching Attitude Era Raws is wild. They are 2-hour shows but with like 10+ matches packed in, none of which go any longer than 4-5 minutes. Just enough for each wrestler involved to get a signature move or taunt in to get their character over, and for an angle to get squeezed in (run in or whatever) to move a storyline along. Nowadays nearly all TV matches are the length PPV matches used to be, while that should be reserved to the "main event" of every hour.

  

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89. "AEW cant fill time with anything else"
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RAW in 1999 featured like 25 guys on a promo level that only Cody, Moxley, Starks and some retired dudes can match

ive been saying fewer matches and more talking since episode 3. and not Jericho's SNL nonsense either, they need guys to look into the camera on live TV and make me believe what they are saying.

but even without that, fewer matches for shorter times (not just 10 minutes of shit sprinted thru in 4 minutes) would do then so much better. they just dont want people to have losses on their records, but they need midcard dudes with 35% winning percentages to establish tiers. they have more than 40 wrestlers with winning percentages over 65%.

thats like 8 seeds in the NBA with 60 wins because the playoff teams played the bottom 10 82 times.

they really need a booker. and AEW has created a huge Eddie Gilbert sized hole in my heart. this would have been his fucking JAM, and if Tony Khan has half the wrestling brain he thinks he does Hot Stuff would be booking this show.

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90. "here's a novel half-defending them"
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I think AEW has been really good since the 1-year anniversary so it makes me hopeful, but there are still some huge potholes in the road.

>
>FTR-Bucks...why is this seen as good?

I totally understand why some folks hate the Bucks and kinda agree they don't look believable against bigger/more physical tag teams. That being said, I thought this match was awesome, and while the Bucks do get bad at selling injuries sometimes I didn't see that here, or at least I didn't see it as any different than other wrestlers these days. Matt hit that last superkick knowing he was gonna be fucked after it and he was.


>
>Moxley title match, trading moves all over the arena, bunch of
>plunder, thumbtacks, all his indie hits played yet again.


I go back-and-forth on Mox, but his run as champ has served it's purpose: establish the legitimacy of the title. Jericho then Mox (then probably Kenny) makes sense as the first champs in the company. Now when someone newer (like Hangman) eventually wins the title it will mean that much more. I'm not a huge fan of the hardcore stuff, and lord knows AEW has had a few truly uncomfortable moments involving dangerous moves, but I thought Kingston/Mox was pretty compelling stuff even if it wasn't the highlight of the ppv.


>
>the Serena Deeb-Allysin Kay match was really good, and in
>general the NWA women have made the AEW women look really
>amateurish.

I was catching up on New Japan during the buy-in, but I caught the end and it seemed solid.

>
>Cody-Darby was great, and im glad Ricky Starks got a little
>screen time.
>
>Orange Cassidy-John Silver was a perfectly acceptable second
>match, even tho Orange Cassidy is a syndicated rerun by now.
>Its the same thing over and over and over. Where does this
>guy go? Why is he getting shoved down my throat while Jungle
>Boy languishes?

I disagree with the idea that his gimmick has stayed the same. A few months ago he was just a sloth and legitimately didn't care about winning or losing. Now I read it as he only uses that sloth stuff for strategy occasionally. For instance, he did his routine this time around knowing it would frustrate John Silver and get him off his game, but he doesn't really play that shit with the likes of Cody and Jericho for the most part. He's more likely to turn it up at the bell with a bigger opponent to throw them off. Admittedly that might place some of the explanation of the character work in the hands of the announce team. His offense still needs some work to make it a tad more believable, but I think he's pretty close.

To answer your question though, a few months back the dirtsheets said they are planning a big push for Jungleboy but they wanted crowds to be back before they pulled the trigger. Maybe they're waiting for full capactiy/traveling shows or maybe they got cold feet. Idk... I wanna see that push though.


>The women's title match was okay, but again bereft of selling
>despite working an injury angle. Ref Aubrey's authority and
>enforcement of rules made Vickie's interference mean
>something. How about that? Funny how that works...

I really liked the match, and Shida's definitely been their best champ, but they have a lot of work to do with this division. They may have to bite the bullet and give Tessa a bunch of money, even if it goes against their anti-bullying culture. She's the only star that's a free agent right now. I do wanna see a Baker championship run though.


>
>Page-Omega...also okay. The "story" they told is way over
>blown tho.

Agree to disagree on this one. I think they could've handled the post-breakup stuff a bit better, but overall the storytelling on this feud has been phenomenal ever since they won the titles and Hangman teased giving the buckshot lariat to Kenny. It's been one of the rare cases when wrestling does subtlety well. That interview where Kenny listed the Bucks as his favorite tag team and Hangman was surprised he didn't answer them replays in my mind a lot and makes me smile.


>
>this turned into a rant, but fuck. they need a real live
>booker.

I think they need a writer/continuity person. They let some of the wrong people improvise, and the more people are involved in a segment the messier the mic work gets.

They also too often have multiple wrestlers doing the same shit on the same show. If someone gets hit in the balls earlier in the show, I don't want to see that later in the show. If someone takes a bunch of chair shots early in the show, I don't want to see that later in the show. It doesn't appear that it's anyone's job to make sure these issues are smoothed out. They desperately need that.

There are some other clear issues here that they gotta solve in Year 2. The lack of Black stars is pretty noticeable but they're making strides with Hobbs, Scorpio, Private Party, and Swole. The Miro gimmick is DOA and the Dark Order is super fucking corny again. Time to cut bait and repackage those mfers.

  

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95. "its more flashes of potential for me, but relly good ones"
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>I think AEW has been really good since the 1-year anniversary
>so it makes me hopeful, but there are still some huge potholes
>in the road.

it oscillates for me depending on whats on the show. i thought this past ep was the best since Starks did his "i dont need to paint my face to be somebody" but that was a while ago at this point.

i should say that ive watched every PPV, Dark, and Dynamite in its entirety bc i LOVE the high points and i really want it to succeed. the issue for me is that it has moments where i feel dumb for watching. its like playing golf almost. that one shot reminds you why you suffer thru triple after triple. but it could be SO much better

>I totally understand why some folks hate the Bucks and kinda
>agree they don't look believable against bigger/more physical
>tag teams. That being said, I thought this match was awesome,
>and while the Bucks do get bad at selling injuries sometimes I
>didn't see that here, or at least I didn't see it as any
>different than other wrestlers these days. Matt hit that last
>superkick knowing he was gonna be fucked after it and he was.

the drama is in the selling for me, and the false finishes are clearly meant as a replacement. but its like my neurons flame out on them. that being said i thought FTR was phenomenal. Cash in particular was bumping around like a lunatic, and it seemed to me they went out there solely to get themselves over in a loss. Which...more power to them. Theyve not been handled well by the booker, so might as well do it yourselves. I really hated the absence of Tully though. WTF?

>I go back-and-forth on Mox, but his run as champ has served
>it's purpose: establish the legitimacy of the title. Jericho
>then Mox (then probably Kenny) makes sense as the first champs
>in the company. Now when someone newer (like Hangman)
>eventually wins the title it will mean that much more. I'm not
>a huge fan of the hardcore stuff, and lord knows AEW has had a
>few truly uncomfortable moments involving dangerous moves, but
>I thought Kingston/Mox was pretty compelling stuff even if it
>wasn't the highlight of the ppv.

i would agree with that up till Omega. You lost me there lol. Its just that Moxley's matches are boring. The builds are always awesome tho.


>>Cody-Darby was great, and im glad Ricky Starks got a little
>>screen time.

>I disagree with the idea that his gimmick has stayed the same.
>A few months ago he was just a sloth and legitimately didn't
>care about winning or losing. Now I read it as he only uses
>that sloth stuff for strategy occasionally. For instance, he
>did his routine this time around knowing it would frustrate
>John Silver and get him off his game, but he doesn't really
>play that shit with the likes of Cody and Jericho for the most
>part. He's more likely to turn it up at the bell with a bigger
>opponent to throw them off. Admittedly that might place some
>of the explanation of the character work in the hands of the
>announce team. His offense still needs some work to make it a
>tad more believable, but I think he's pretty close.

Well, to me that kinda sounds like his gimmick changed in that he does it less, and thats not really "changing" to me. Hes a good athlete, but someone who just "does stuff" isnt interesting to me. Silver was perfectly fine tho and needs out of his program (more later) badly. He can be a tier 3 gatekeeper for babyfaces making their emergence from Dark to Dynamite and make them all look good.

>To answer your question though, a few months back the
>dirtsheets said they are planning a big push for Jungleboy but
>they wanted crowds to be back before they pulled the trigger.
>Maybe they're waiting for full capactiy/traveling shows or
>maybe they got cold feet. Idk... I wanna see that push
>though.

wrestling companies need to stop worrying about that. they're gonna need 9 months of top quality television between now and then.

but i too want that, badly. he's one of the rare dudes who could go on Jimmy Fallon to promote a PPV match against MJF and move numbers.

>I really liked the match, and Shida's definitely been their
>best champ, but they have a lot of work to do with this
>division. They may have to bite the bullet and give Tessa a
>bunch of money, even if it goes against their anti-bullying
>culture. She's the only star that's a free agent right now. I
>do wanna see a Baker championship run though.

the injury stop and go was really my only issue with it other than the fact that weve seen them wrestle, what...4 times now? credit to them,. they've tried to make them all different, but we need a shakeup. the NWA women give me hope.

>Agree to disagree on this one. I think they could've handled
>the post-breakup stuff a bit better, but overall the
>storytelling on this feud has been phenomenal ever since they
>won the titles and Hangman teased giving the buckshot lariat
>to Kenny.

this was the last interesting thing that happened imo. since then it kinda just failed to launch. their emotional angst seems more like story backdrop than story itself. betrayal is a story, redemption is a story, revenge is a story...for me personally, people pondering those things while they sulk is not.

>It's been one of the rare cases when wrestling does
>subtlety well. That interview where Kenny listed the Bucks as
>his favorite tag team and Hangman was surprised he didn't
>answer them replays in my mind a lot and makes me smile.

im sorry but that was not good for me lmao. angsty, overly sensitive "babyfaces" with low self-esteem...thats a no for me dawg. this booking has not been kind to him in my eyes. the standing back in the shadows while the Bucks celebrated had me howling at the Degrassi-ness of it all.

>I think they need a writer/continuity person. They let some of
>the wrong people improvise, and the more people are involved
>in a segment the messier the mic work gets.

a regular person in the writer's room who isnt a buddy of the boys would even work at this point. soneone to just constantly ask "why?"

>They also too often have multiple wrestlers doing the same
>shit on the same show. If someone gets hit in the balls
>earlier in the show, I don't want to see that later in the
>show. If someone takes a bunch of chair shots early in the
>show, I don't want to see that later in the show. It doesn't
>appear that it's anyone's job to make sure these issues are
>smoothed out. They desperately need that.

huge problem. thats why they need a real booker who knows how to get shit over starting at the micro level. a great idea would be banning the tope bc of injuries. its probably a good idea anyways, but if ppl insist on doing them, make them go away and then bring them back SLOWWWWWWWLY. voila, you turned a cliche into something meaningful.

>There are some other clear issues here that they gotta solve
>in Year 2. The lack of Black stars is pretty noticeable but
>they're making strides with Hobbs, Scorpio, Private Party, and
>Swole. The Miro gimmick is DOA and the Dark Order is super
>fucking corny again. Time to cut bait and repackage those
>mfers.

you know its funny, the Black jabronis made a massive improvement to Dark post-pandemic. dudes like Shawn Dean (way better worker than either of PP imo), M'badu, Lee Johnson, etc.

Finally...Dark Fucking Order. That gimmick is like a year and half old by now. They aint the fuckin Heenan Family, or even the Dangerous Alliance. it needs to die, and the Exalted One's loss was a great time.

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96. "RE: its more flashes of potential for me, but relly good ones"
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>this was the last interesting thing that happened imo. since
>then it kinda just failed to launch. their emotional angst
>seems more like story backdrop than story itself. betrayal is
>a story, redemption is a story, revenge is a story...for me
>personally, people pondering those things while they sulk is
>not.

but this is sorta the beginning of the real story, which is why this match was part of a tournament rather than big blowoff to a feud. that's in the future.

>im sorry but that was not good for me lmao. angsty, overly
>sensitive "babyfaces" with low self-esteem...thats a no for me
>dawg. this booking has not been kind to him in my eyes. the
>standing back in the shadows while the Bucks celebrated had me
>howling at the Degrassi-ness of it all.

Fair point for Hangman, although I look at it as him reflecting on his bad choices (drinking, trusting FTR, etc.) rather than specifically being emo about Kenny and the Bucks. I personally loved the fact that he was just in the background and they barely mentioned it though. Kenny is basically a heel at this point though, albeit not a dastardly one. I think the ridiculous entrances and needling Hangman with his "North Carolina" intros solidified that.


>you know its funny, the Black jabronis made a massive
>improvement to Dark post-pandemic. dudes like Shawn Dean (way
>better worker than either of PP imo), M'badu, Lee Johnson,
>etc.
>

Sometimes I wish I watched Dark, but there just ain't enough time in the week lol. I don't even really watch WWE much these days and I still can't find the time. And now that there are like 12 matches a week it seems pretty daunting.

  

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99. "the tournament itself was a problem for me"
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for one, the logic of having a tournament not based on their own rankings is silly. its like it was meant to fill a story hole. stakes can be story, but how did those people become the ones competing?

second, if you're gonna gimmick the draw, plant seeds to grow down the road. why send Jungle Boy against Wardlow and Page against Cabana? Flip that around, and they had something. Give Jungle Boy a legitimizing kind of clean win vs Cabana, put Page thru an absolute WAR with Wardlow, and then youve got a clear ultra-face underdog against a favored, but obvi not full-strength Page, and then youve got something cooking.

it all comes back to them really needing a booker imo. someone from within the business as opposed to someone playing with his real life action figures.

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100. "RE: the tournament itself was a problem for me"
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>for one, the logic of having a tournament not based on their
>own rankings is silly. its like it was meant to fill a story
>hole. stakes can be story, but how did those people become
>the ones competing?

Couldn't agree with this more. This is a problem that WWE always has with qualifying matches that the rankings system really should be used to avoid. And there are ways to gimmick the story if you don't purely want to use rankings (especially since only the top five are actually ranked as far as the audience is aware). Have a top five MJF find a way to nominate Wardlow as his replacement. Likewise for Brodie Lee and Colt Cabana (if he absolutely must be in it). Fake some injuries. Something.

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102. "they screwed up chopping down Cage and Archer so quickly."
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no need to rush them into a title match just to turn around basically show us that they are just part of the same pack as everyone else.

they should have been kept away from Moxley for months after their debuts. also would have actually justified the resurrection of the FTW title.

so now Lance Archer beats up crew members and cant get a match with anyone that means something. using monster heels to legitimize your champion is great when there are 5-10 federations with TV and they can be moved around, not so great when you burn through the entire supply in 6 months. being MJFs lackey has saved Wardlow in that regard.

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103. "Yeah, they keep throwing out the rankings in the COVID era"
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I get it. People love tournaments and battle royals and all that... so they shouldn’t have rankings if that’s how they’re gonna decide challengers. Or at least make the rankings matter in that context like when they did a gauntlet match of the ranked tag teams and #1 got to enter last. Same deal with a tournament... give #1 a bye, or in a battle royale the #1 enters last. For the most part though it should just be the #1 ranked person getting a title shot. It was implied that would be the case when you started the rankings and now they’ve thrown that out the window.

  

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98. "RE: here's a novel half-defending them"
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>I go back-and-forth on Mox, but his run as champ has served
>it's purpose: establish the legitimacy of the title. Jericho
>then Mox (then probably Kenny) makes sense as the first champs
>in the company. Now when someone newer (like Hangman)
>eventually wins the title it will mean that much more. I'm not
>a huge fan of the hardcore stuff, and lord knows AEW has had a
>few truly uncomfortable moments involving dangerous moves, but
>I thought Kingston/Mox was pretty compelling stuff even if it
>wasn't the highlight of the ppv.

Just to build off of this, I'm fine with "established" guyslike Moxley keeping the belt until the crowds come back. Obviously guys like Hangman, MJF, Jungle Boy, Sammy, and Starks are the future of the company (you can also see something in Hobbs and even Top Flight, even though they're still on the rough side), but running with them now, with little apparent crowd reaction would just be a waste. Like, whenever we do get through this thing, you put the belt on MJF and let him keep it for two years because he knows how to make the fans hate him. But for now, putting him in an angle with Jericho so he can pass the torch to him makes sense.


>I was catching up on New Japan during the buy-in, but I caught
>the end and it seemed solid.

Just noting that the Deeb vs. Thunderosa rematch tonight was great, especially after the Britt run-in.

>Agree to disagree on this one. I think they could've handled
>the post-breakup stuff a bit better, but overall the
>storytelling on this feud has been phenomenal ever since they
>won the titles and Hangman teased giving the buckshot lariat
>to Kenny. It's been one of the rare cases when wrestling does
>subtlety well. That interview where Kenny listed the Bucks as
>his favorite tag team and Hangman was surprised he didn't
>answer them replays in my mind a lot and makes me smile.

I agree that I like the way they're handling this too. Hangman's eventually going to hit his rock-bottom, and rebound from there. We're still a ways from getting to that point tho.

(I guessing it was Hangman who attacked Moxley tonight)


>There are some other clear issues here that they gotta solve
>in Year 2. The lack of Black stars is pretty noticeable but
>they're making strides with Hobbs, Scorpio, Private Party, and
>Swole.

The Top Flight guys seem promising, though they're still pretty limited. The Acclaimed just got signed and they have a lot of upside. Lee Jordan deserves some more shine. And as CGonz said, a lot of the Black enhancement talent is really pretty good. I'm interested to see if TNT (D-Von's twin sons) pan out into something intereting.

>The Miro gimmick is DOA

They really need to find something better for him to do. Chaining him to Kip Sabian was a shitty idea.

>and the Dark Order is super fucking corny again. Time to cut bait and
>repackage those mfers.

I actually blame this on Brodie Lee's ankle injury. They've been completely match since the chain match, which was the last time Lee was on TV. Before that, it seemed like they were onto something with them finding a way to slowly corrupt Colt Cabana, but that seems to have been dropped. I don't care about Anna Jay vs. Brandi and while super-hyper John Silver is entertaining, he's not supposed to be a centerpiece.

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101. "i said this above, but treading water till crowds come is a mistake"
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>Just to build off of this, I'm fine with "established"
>guyslike Moxley keeping the belt until the crowds come back.
>Obviously guys like Hangman, MJF, Jungle Boy, Sammy, and
>Starks are the future of the company (you can also see
>something in Hobbs and even Top Flight, even though they're
>still on the rough side), but running with them now, with
>little apparent crowd reaction would just be a waste. Like,
>whenever we do get through this thing, you put the belt on MJF
>and let him keep it for two years because he knows how to make
>the fans hate him. But for now, putting him in an angle with
>Jericho so he can pass the torch to him makes sense.

this is turning into a bad strategy for both companies. the crowds aint coming back in a time frame that will allow them to keep putting out "safe" TV until then. they need hotter TV more than ever. Jungle Boy is doing *nothing*. Thats just asinine. This is their chance to make STARS. They have minimal logistical concerns and can focus solely on compelling television. Unfortunately its exposing them. Its easy to get crowd pops when people are seeing their Youtube favorites for the first time, but there is another half year of telelvision at least before they leave Jax.

>Just noting that the Deeb vs. Thunderosa rematch tonight was
>great, especially after the Britt run-in.

Even then...it had no impact on the match and then the announcers were the ones that had to make it try to mean something. That should have led directly to the finish. And it was great...until run-in wasnt the finish. Everything after that, including the post-match, was wildly off the rails.

.
>
>I agree that I like the way they're handling this too.
>Hangman's eventually going to hit his rock-bottom, and rebound
>from there. We're still a ways from getting to that point
>tho.

Here's my question...so what? Who honestly cares about him? NOT the performer, but Hangman. Fuck him lol. Hes been presented as a douche that you would *never* allow access to your life.

Adam Page the man tho...they had a little bit of magic with Cowboy Shit and now its gone.

>(I guessing it was Hangman who attacked Moxley tonight)

Why? To get back in the good graces of the group where 9 months ago the story was that he just had to leave? Thats the entirety of Adam Page's story? Hes spent the last year drinking and waffling on whether or not he wants to be a part of the Elite? Like...why should i care about that? Do you whatever you want bro, just stoo crying and punch someone, starting with FTR considering they lifted your skirt on national TV maybe?

>The Top Flight guys seem promising, though they're still
>pretty limited. The Acclaimed just got signed and they have a
>lot of upside. Lee Jordan deserves some more shine. And as
>CGonz said, a lot of the Black enhancement talent is really
>pretty good. I'm interested to see if TNT (D-Von's twin sons)
>pan out into something intereting.

The idea that Top Flight got put on TV before The Acclaimed is a picture perfect example of how poorly the Young Bucks understand anything other than choreographing spots. Max Castor has done more with a mic in his hand in the last 3 weeks than the Bucks have since the dawn of the company. THATs who needs to be on TV. Also again...there are rankings. Why are these randoms given a title shot?

Beyond that, so many interesting Black jabronis (and i say jabroni with a certain amount of endearment). I really need to know about BSHP KING and his tactical vest lmao. Is he a Special Forces vet? A street thug? Perhaps a crime fighting vigilante? I love his look and his work. Dark needs to carve out space for these people to talk.

>They really need to find something better for him to do.
>Chaining him to Kip Sabian was a shitty idea.

uh...yeah. not great. i actually liked Kip Sabian's bobby heenan wrestler/manager thing. obviously hes not the Brain, but i actually liked watching him bump around after trying to interfere in Penelope's matches.

>I actually blame this on Brodie Lee's ankle injury. They've
>been completely match since the chain match, which was the
>last time Lee was on TV. Before that, it seemed like they were
>onto something with them finding a way to slowly corrupt Colt
>Cabana, but that seems to have been dropped. I don't care
>about Anna Jay vs. Brandi and while super-hyper John Silver is
>entertaining, he's not supposed to be a centerpiece.

well why didnt he hobble his ass out there and get his heat back? i remember Macho Man on crutches on Nitro the night after DDP beat his ass, cutting a ruthless promo.

i want this to be good. but im starting to think it will never be consistently good until Tony Khan hands over the book to someone who understands the "why's". hes a prototype for modern fans who think that since they know its a work, and can remember all the hot angles and matches, they understand the psychology of it. he clearly doesnt. everything good in AEW has come from people who do, like Cody/MJF/Starks/SCU/Jericho, while the eponymous spot monkeys still cant deliver a good live promo 18 months in and have rewarded themselves for that with the most prestigious belts in either division. they also got *nobody* over even though im sure they think they spent the last year and a half making dudes. not one single wrestler can say they got over because of their program with the Bucks or Omega, mostly because their ideas of what "over" means is totally warped. you can either be ultra realistic or ultra charismatic to get over with pop American audiences. none of those no-selling derps is either of those things.

i shudder to think about what this show would look like without the influx of NWA talent. that was THE most important thing that happened to AEW this year, and they need to go ahead and put their belt one of those women. that needs to be a long term relationship. maybe even get E! LI! DRAKE! on the show. id pop hard for that lol.

  

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91. "it would seem they're doing a WWE title change on Raw, if you care"
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92. "RE: it would seem they're doing a WWE title change on Raw, if you care"
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I didn't, but I was surprised to see the match coming later. I saw the Bray match segment. I stayed to look at Bliss and to see if Bray was gonna transform mid-match.

Cool tho. I like Randy more than those who don't but less than those who swear by him, but I had no use for him as champ. Give me more Drew. Let him work his tail off to solidify himself and then moved it move it to Miz or whoever.

  

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94. "I feel for Drew big time. He needs crowds. He's legitimate."
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Great size and look, but can really move and sell too. He's not Rock or Cena on the mic, but he's very sure of himself when talking too.
For being such a giant there's a humility there that makes him human...it matters that he's failed before and made it all the way back to the very top of the show.

He deserves big moments in front of big crowds. Imagine if he'd won the title last night in a full arena.

  

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93. "Just the annual balancing out the Survivor Series card"
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It’s dumb, but to be expected. Who do you cheer in Reigns vs. Orton?

Super dumb not to include NXT on Survivor Series though. They stumbled onto a winning formula last year and then reversed course this time because reasons. Not only would Balor solve the heel vs. heel issue for that match, but involving NXT was the only way the “brand supremacy” angle made any sense. These Raw and Smackdown rosters were JUST drafted. Why should they give a fuck which show has bragging rights when it’s all arbitrary?

  

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97. "God Moxley sucks"
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104. "Agree 10000000000000000%%%"
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DJR
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105. "I’m watching this Cassidy Vs. Sabian "
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This is just absurdly bad wrestling. Like, nothing looks the least bit believable. Throwing the stupidest looking punches I’ve ever seen and the other guy ducking them. It’s just slow, sloppy, flipping around for no reason. I hate this shit.

  

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DJR
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106. "Blade vs. Pac.....stupid "
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There is just zero psychology. The things these guys do makes absolutely zero sense. Wrestling is beyond dumb. All these guys suck.

  

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Paps_Smear
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107. "I think a lot of yall just hate wrestling now"
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Tiger Woods
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108. "Nah, McIntyre / Reigns was awesome"
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I like physicality, selling, and pacing >>> acrobatics , speed, high spots

  

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DJR
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109. "I just want it to make sense"
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These gymnastics guys wrestle like complete idiots. It’s absurd. I’ll give Reigns-Drew a shot.

I want to watch wrestlers like Bret Hart - who make it look real. Am I asking too much?

  

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cgonz00cc
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110. "pop culture at large agrees with you"
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the more wink wink pantomime show it all is, the less people care. which makes sense bc if tumbling clowns were popular entertainment, there would more shows about tumbling clowns.

modern "performers" and the neck beards who enable them want it to be both ways. they demand that you know its fake to excuse their lack of ability to pretend otherwise, but then they also want convoluted storylines that their terrible acting cant prop up.

i enjoy AEW for the bits of really good stuff AND the laughing at bad stuff. but laughing at bad stuff is only interesting to smart fans who can ID why its bad. everyone else just sees a stupid TV show with terrible writing, piss poor acting, limp conflicts, and excessive auto-fellatio.

and for the record, i only talk about AEW because i literally cant finish a single ep of Monday Night Raw. possibly the single worst show on basic cable TV.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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DJR
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114. "Raw is the worst"
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With no basketball on in November like usual, I’ve tried to watch wrestling. I just usually don’t like the matches.

I know I said “Bret Hart” earlier.....it doesn’t even have to be GOAT level guys like that. I can go back on the Network and watch random Rick Martel, Ted Dibiase, etc. matches and enjoy it so much more than basically anything I see now. I just don’t like the style of the wrestling most everybody does now.

  

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cgonz00cc
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115. "Cornette is dead on about more money from fewer people"
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Terrible long term strategy to lean in to "exposing the business" and producing content only for people who pay for Wrestling Observer Live or something.

everything is geared towards "smart" fans and doing meta things and being self-referential. so rather than fill arenas with $20/35/50 tickets, Dynamite tickets were like $400 to sit in the front row. or they have their AEW Heels thing which for all of their community babbling, really is just about making $10 a month. and you know 95% of the paying audience subscribes to at least one wrestling patreon, probably at a high dollar amount to qualify for personal access to someone.

meanwhile, the live dynamites never drew more than 6200 fans after week 1, and a lot of people have been to more than 1. they may have sold out their allotment a few times, but theyve never sold out the building.

it will be interesting to see how they price future live dynamites when they are back in arenas. people will be itching to get out into the world, and they can either fill their arenas or raise their current prices even further for the same 4500 fans that were gonna be there regardless.

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cgonz00cc
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111. "thats one perspective"
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another is that we love wrestling and we wish someone would give us some

that being said i didnt have a problem with the match DJR did until the very end. Blade selling unconsciousness instead of pain after the shooting star made the submission finish seem illogical. and generally i love PAC. legit star potential.

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DJR
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112. "RE: thats one perspective"
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I mean....they’ll land one move and get a minor advantage and then go run away and bounce off something to take a risk, lose the advantage, wash, rinse, repeat. Way too much illogical risk taking and back and forth for me.

It’s like A.D.D. wrestling.

  

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113. "they gotta make up for a lot of the talent having no swag or psychology"
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