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"OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"


  

          

The fall season is right here and we have some big cards coming up starting with All Out on September 5th. In NJPW we have the G1 Climax Tournament that's starting later than usual this year and is always a banger. WWE we have Survivor Series which I'm sure will be another mix between Raw, Smackdown, and NXT. Even though Wrestle Kingdom is right after the new year (January 4th) that always feels like an end of the year show.

Any predictions?

Who's the best performer so far this year?
Best storyline in wrestleing?
Anyone due for a title shot?

Trying to build a watch along group for most shows. We already do AEW every Wednesday and all the PPVS. As always the link is https://s.kast.live/g/8lf7lrmxzl and we'll be kicking off with the All Out PPV this weekend

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All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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      I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually
Sep 04th 2020
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      RE: I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually
Sep 04th 2020
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           when I was watching he was so over
Sep 04th 2020
18
                I mean, Darby is on the card.
Sep 05th 2020
19
      I see Page or Omega being the one to take it off Mox
Sep 05th 2020
23
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
5
You and me both.
Sep 04th 2020
8
they ruin segments
Sep 04th 2020
9
Y’all are tripping on Orange
Sep 05th 2020
27
      its not gotten beyond indie nonsense
Sep 05th 2020
28
      According to the ratings they hit over a million on that segment
Sep 05th 2020
29
           we'll see when hes working with someone else
Sep 05th 2020
32
      We'll see about Orange.
Sep 05th 2020
30
           I want Jungleboy to go solo
Sep 05th 2020
31
                Luchasaurus is big time diminishing returns for me
Sep 05th 2020
33
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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      this PPV really exposed the issues with the way they book stuff
Sep 05th 2020
22
RE: All Out predicitions
Sep 04th 2020
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i dont need Kenny Omega on TV at all
Sep 04th 2020
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      You crazy
Sep 04th 2020
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           im not going out of my way with *anybody*
Sep 04th 2020
12
Oh, one last prediction
Sep 05th 2020
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RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
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RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom
Sep 04th 2020
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      idk how it happened, but Spears got me to turn around on him
Sep 05th 2020
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      Agreed, Spears would kinda drag the stable down imo
Sep 05th 2020
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           He would be there to eat the pins
Sep 05th 2020
25
                Great point
Sep 05th 2020
26
So Matt Hardy almost died.
Sep 05th 2020
34
It should have been stopped
Sep 05th 2020
35
Bad not for Matt’s
Sep 05th 2020
36
So... I think it was an intentionally botched spot
Sep 05th 2020
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      I initially thought it was going to be a work.
Sep 06th 2020
41
An hour too long
Sep 05th 2020
38
I enjoyed it quite a bit
Sep 06th 2020
39
Lol autocorrect
Sep 06th 2020
40
So, Miro is All Elite
Sep 16th 2020
42
Miro's intro was weak
Sep 16th 2020
43
Tonight's Dynamite was great. Best episode in weeks
Sep 16th 2020
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1. "All Out predicitions"
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Fri Sep-04-20 02:29 AM by mrhood75

  

          

AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF
Moxley. MJF left him bloody on Wednesday, so that means it's Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.


AEW World Tag Team Championship: Kenny Omega & Adam Page (c) vs. FTR
FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

AEW Women's World Championship: Hikaru Shida (c) vs. Thunder Rosa
Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves with the belt.

Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the mimosa pool afterwards.

21-man Casino Battle Royal for an AEW championship opportunity
Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV before Archer fights Moxley.

The Dark Order vs. Matt Cardona, Scorpio Sky & The Natural Nightmares
Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody comes back from filming on Arrow.

Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.

The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.

Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

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3. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead
>heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.
>

agreed. Plenty of time to get MJF there. I don't think we've seen the full extent of his heelness yet. I think Mox drops it at the next ppv though.


>FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split
>up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

Definitely. The split has been teased long enough and FTR is the right team to run with.

>Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves
>with the belt.

Gotta be Shida, though I love Thunder Rosa and hope this is the beginning of a great relationship between NWA and AEW. Aldis would fit right in with the top players in the Men's division.


>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>mimosa pool afterwards.

Probably, but I'll be rooting for Orange.


>Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're
>not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his
>shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV
>before Archer fights Moxley.

God, the segment for this was a mess. I think we'll see a small surprise here and my boy Pentagon will take it.


>Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody
>comes back from filming on Arrow.
>
>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
>Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.
>
>The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
>Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.

Agree on all these

>
>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

My pick is Britt cause I think she's the strongest personality in the division and she should be the one to take the title off of Shida. Would've been interested in this a couple months ago but it's been drawn out too much due to Britt's injury. They honestly should've had her shit on people w/o actually feuding with anyone until she was nearly ready to come back.

  

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13. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>agreed. Plenty of time to get MJF there. I don't think we've
>seen the full extent of his heelness yet. I think Mox drops it
>at the next ppv though.

I'm not sure who he'd drop it to tho. It'd be pointless to put the title on someone like Lance Archer. Maybe Rhodes if he comes back. There's been rumors of them re-forming the Horsemen with FTR, Hangman, and Rhodes, so I can see it. Even if I don't like putting the belt on the guy in charge. Maybe Omega. I'd like to see Page eventually get it at some point.


>Definitely. The split has been teased long enough and FTR is
>the right team to run with.


>Gotta be Shida, though I love Thunder Rosa and hope this is
>the beginning of a great relationship between NWA and AEW.
>Aldis would fit right in with the top players in the Men's
>division.

I definitely hope this isn't a one-off with Rosa and she sticks around. And brings in Aldis.


>Probably, but I'll be rooting for Orange.

Me too. Can't help but liking the dude. But I doubt Jericho is losing twice to him at this point.


>God, the segment for this was a mess. I think we'll see a
>small surprise here and my boy Pentagon will take it.

Yeah, Jake keeps talking over Tazz. It seems like they're setting up the eventual feud between Archer and Kage, but Jake needs to let Tazz do his talking and vice versa.

I'd certainly like a surprise, and the new Eddie Kingston/Butcher and Blade/Lucha Bros. stable are the only other people that they've given any attention to this thing. Personally, I'd hope that of them Eddie Kingston wins, but that's mostly because I love the Lucha Bros. as team, and I want them in the Tag Title picture.

>My pick is Britt cause I think she's the strongest personality
>in the division and she should be the one to take the title
>off of Shida. Would've been interested in this a couple months
>ago but it's been drawn out too much due to Britt's injury.
>They honestly should've had her shit on people w/o actually
>feuding with anyone until she was nearly ready to come back.

I was operating on the "person who stomps out right before the PPV usually wins" principle, but I see that arguement.

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14. "I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually"
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I like him a lot better than Page.

Haven’t watched since the PPV in May though so I have no idea what they’ve been doing with him.

Now that summer is winding down, I gotta start watching again.

  

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17. "RE: I still want a Darby Allin title push eventually"
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>I like him a lot better than Page.
>
>Haven’t watched since the PPV in May though so I have no
>idea what they’ve been doing with him.

He had a title shot against Moxley. But that was mostly in the midst of his feud with Ricky Starks, which won't be resolved during the PPV.

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18. "when I was watching he was so over"
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And I watched pretty much every week until late May. Got rid of my TV services when there was no sports on and summer was hitting and got out of the loop.

To be fair to Page, I gotta see him more on his own. To this point I like him, but I don’t love him.

I bought the last few PPVs. On the fence with this one. No Darby, and no TNT title defense are strikes against it. Though I really like the title matchup and my other favorites Jericho and Britt Baker are on there.

  

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19. "I mean, Darby is on the card. "
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He’s in the 21-Man Battle Royale for a title shot. And his feud with Sparks has kept him on TV and should figure prominently in the match. So it’s not like they’re sweeping him aside. I really doubt he wins the match tho.

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23. "I see Page or Omega being the one to take it off Mox"
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>I'd certainly like a surprise, and the new Eddie
>Kingston/Butcher and Blade/Lucha Bros. stable are the only
>other people that they've given any attention to this thing.
>Personally, I'd hope that of them Eddie Kingston wins, but
>that's mostly because I love the Lucha Bros. as team, and I
>want them in the Tag Title picture.

Yeah, Kingston would be fantastic.

  

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5. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF
>Moxley. MJF left him bloody on Wednesday, so that means it's
>Moxley. It'll be MJF's time eventually; he's the best dickhead
>heel that I've seen in years, but he's not quite ready yet.

I think MJF is gonna win it. A talkin ass heel with a cooler is a heat magnet. Page takes it off of him at Revolution in Feb.

>AEW World Tag Team Championship: Kenny Omega & Adam Page (c)
>vs. FTR
>FTR. Kinda has to be after the build-up. Kenny and Page split
>up afterwards, possibly with Omega going full heel.

they fucked this up so bad. unless they are doing a SWERVE BRO wherein Page turns on Omega, its fucking stupid. they will have turned Hangman into a whiny pussy that sabotaged his stablemates because he was scared of them. Page+Spears+FTR is the only satisfying way out of the corner they painted themselves into

>AEW Women's World Championship: Hikaru Shida (c) vs. Thunder
>Rosa
>Shida. This is Rosa's second match with AEW; no way she leaves
>with the belt.

Rosa for the win, and ahe drops it before NWA resumes

>Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>mimosa pool afterwards.

ive tried and failed to care less about this.

>21-man Casino Battle Royal for an AEW championship
>opportunity
>Also kinda has to be Lance Archer, especially since they're
>not really building anyone else up. The already gave Kage his
>shot. The two of them probably feud for a little post-PPV
>before Archer fights Moxley.

idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler right now so i hope he wins.

>The Dark Order vs. Matt Cardona, Scorpio Sky & The Natural
>Nightmares
>Dark Order. Gotta keep building them as monsters until Cody
>comes back from filming on Arrow.

why is scorpio sky in this? why isnt it Dustin vs Brodie? i hate this whole fucking angle.

>Matt Hardy vs. Sammy Guevara (Broken Rules match)
>Hardy. Sammy won the tables match, Matt wins the blow-off.

Again...wtf. This should have BEEN the tables match, but they hot-shotted it and now its a gimmick.

>The Young Bucks vs. Jurassic Express
>Young Bucks. Probably go full heel aferwards.



>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.

This was the thing i had the most interest until the revelation that its a cinematic match. Imo Baker-Swole is the best program theyve had since the last PPV. But they couldnt just have a fucking match, so here we are.

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8. "You and me both."
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>>Chris Jericho vs. Orange Cassidy (Mimosa Mayhem match)
>>Jericho. Pins Orange Cassidy, but Cassidy dumps him in the
>>mimosa pool afterwards.
>
>ive tried and failed to care less about this.

Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

I would add Janela to that list but mercifully he isn't featured much.

>>Britt Baker vs. Big Swole (Tooth and Nail match)
>>Big Swole. This is one match I have very little interest in.
>
>This was the thing i had the most interest until the revelation that >its a cinematic match. Imo Baker-Swole is the best program theyve had >since the last PPV. But they couldnt just have a fucking match, so here >we are.

I believe the theory is that Britt still isn't well enough for a full in-ring return so they're using the cinematic format as a cover. They probably feel like they've dragged it out long enough and want them to feature on a PPV.

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9. "they ruin segments"
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>Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only
>people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind
>going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best
>Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

the only thing any of them have done to entertain me was when Chuck Taylor said "punched my friend in the dick" on TV. thats the sum total of their positive contributions to my viewing.

>I would add Janela to that list but mercifully he isn't
>featured much.

ya know, i was kinda into the Janela-Sonny tag team....until they did Nakazawa's shit on Dark. everything is so schizophrenic, waffling between wrestling and people acting like they are in a terrible movie *about* wrestling

>I believe the theory is that Britt still isn't well enough for
>a full in-ring return so they're using the cinematic format as
>a cover. They probably feel like they've dragged it out long
>enough and want them to feature on a PPV.

which in and of itself is a travesty because she was injured with a reckless botch, and she's one of their best tv characters

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27. "Y’all are tripping on Orange"
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>
>Orange Cassidy, Best Friends and Marko Stunt are the only
>people who get regular TV time that I really wouldn't mind
>going away for(ever) a while. The in-ring usage rate of Best
>Friends is absurd relative to their talent.

Best Friends are fun on the indies, but I now realize they don’t belong on TV. Actually keep Trent as a singles guy even if the personality ain’t all there. I’m not usually a stickler for this but... Chuck’s body shape is just weird. Do some cardio dawg.

I used to defend Marko a bit, but now he annoys the fuck out of me. It doesn’t help that JR insists on calling him “Little Marko” lol.

Orange is great though, and while this feud has veered into comedy a little more than it should (whatever, I’m still laughing at how Jericho’s jacket got more orange every week), I still think this has been a great way to introduce him as a legitimate threat. Months ago I said I wanted to see how they took the character to the next level... this is what I was talking about. We’re finding out what makes him tick.

  

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28. "its not gotten beyond indie nonsense"
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i would assume getting the shit kicked out of one's self over and over again would make anyone "tic" if they survived it

i dont care if he can do some moves. i want a reason to care about someone.

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29. "According to the ratings they hit over a million on that segment"
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That was their highest mark of the night. I dunno man, seems like people are really into Orange Cassidy.

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32. "we'll see when hes working with someone else"
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and not the 5x WWE champ, 3x Billboard charting, NYT Best Selling, VH1 regular, pop culture icon that is Chris Jericho

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30. "We'll see about Orange."
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I've only enjoyed one match of his and that was the one with PAC for obvious reasons. His matches are all very same-y and not in a good way for me. He's overexposed for me and Jericho is doing all of the heavy lifting in this feud.

Trent(?) should be a mid-carder who puts on good matches on Dynamite in mostly losing efforts when they're building someone else. They can use Dark and/or the second show when it starts to give him some singles wins and keep him relevant.

I found out that Marko has a brother two weeks ago and now I'm terrified that there will be a Stunt tag team in AEW at some point. Marko has decreased my enjoyment of Jurassic Express almost to nothing and in my opinion he's really holding them back.

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31. "I want Jungleboy to go solo"
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>I found out that Marko has a brother two weeks ago and now I'm
>terrified that there will be a Stunt tag team in AEW at some
>point. Marko has decreased my enjoyment of Jurassic Express
>almost to nothing and in my opinion he's really holding them
>back.

Luchasuarus is fine as a wrestler but I don’t give a shit about him. Also he should never talk. Marko is a huge distraction. Jungleboy is damn good and I’d love to see him get a big push, maybe win the TNT title eventually.

  

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33. "Luchasaurus is big time diminishing returns for me"
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the more i see, the less i want to see

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15. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>I think MJF is gonna win it. A talkin ass heel with a cooler
>is a heat magnet. Page takes it off of him at Revolution in
>Feb.

I'd actually prefer this scenario. Especially with Page eventually winning it down the road. Have Moxley lose the title due to MJF goading him into using the Paradigm Shift and destroying him in the process, then turn MJF into a version of Honky Tonk Man as IC champion and Jericho as Crusierweight champ on overdrive. Keep the "campaign" going and turn him into the Drumf of AEW.

However, I'm still going with aforementioned "guy who gets beaten bloody right before the PPV goes over" principle. Along with the likelihood that lots of other heels are going this PPV.


>they fucked this up so bad. unless they are doing a SWERVE BRO
>wherein Page turns on Omega, its fucking stupid. they will
>have turned Hangman into a whiny pussy that sabotaged his
>stablemates because he was scared of them. Page+Spears+FTR is
>the only satisfying way out of the corner they painted
>themselves into

I think that they could do an angle where this is his rock-bottom and he builds himself back up from there, eventually into the main event picture.



>idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler
>right now so i hope he wins.

I like Starks, but they still haven't resolved him vs. Darby Allin (I hope Starks goes over there)


>why is scorpio sky in this? why isnt it Dustin vs Brodie? i
>hate this whole fucking angle.

WIth Scorpio, I guess they're paying off the "respectful" match between him and Cody a few weeks ago. As for Dustin, he's 51 and I don't think anyone would believe him even having a semi-legit shot at Brodie. it'd be more of a match on Dynamite.


>Again...wtf. This should have BEEN the tables match, but they
>hot-shotted it and now its a gimmick.

I agree. Guevara should have won another type of match, and the table match is the blow-off.


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22. "this PPV really exposed the issues with the way they book stuff"
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they dont tell us why stuff happens, and instead make it all Schiavone's responsibility to hypothesize why people are doing the things they are doing. thats the main reason i think he's been so pivotal to the shows. the booking knows the "things" to do, but doesnt understand how to convey realistic motivation.

>Jericho as Crusierweight
>champ on overdrive.

lmao this is my sister's all time favorite angle. CONSPIRACY VICTIM!

>Along
>with the likelihood that lots of other heels are going this
>PPV.

They have a babyface problem thats starting to affect the shows imo. Id like to see Kazarian get a lil push. His work is absolutely impeccable, and his whole thing exudes believability to me. If they give people a reason to get behind him, that could be a big help. I would have no problem whatsoever with him taking the TNT Title off Bruised-ego Brodie at some point.

>I think that they could do an angle where this is his
>rock-bottom and he builds himself back up from there,
>eventually into the main event picture.

they could, but i dont know why they needed to break him down when they had lightning in a bottle with COWBOY SHIT.

>>idk who is even in it. Ricky Starks is my favorite wrestler
>>right now so i hope he wins.

>I like Starks, but they still haven't resolved him vs. Darby
>Allin (I hope Starks goes over there)

which is also a weird piece of booking. they havent figured out how to use non-finishes on TV, so instead of heat we'll get a 2 or 3 minute spot in a clusterfuck for their first official competitive interaction. that "I dont need to paint my face" promo literally lifted me out of my seat with chills, and imo was the single best piece of mic work in all of AEW this far. we deserve better.

>WIth Scorpio, I guess they're paying off the "respectful"
>match between him and Cody a few weeks ago.

i assumed thats what it was but why wasnt he given the chance to tell us why he came out to help? a callback to a match that wasnt that great only makes me think of the match that wasnt that great, and I think Sky deserves better.

>As for Dustin,
>he's 51 and I don't think anyone would believe him even having
>a semi-legit shot at Brodie. it'd be more of a match on
>Dynamite.

Maybe, but thats heat. He's overmatched physically, too old, but crafty and motivated to avenge his little brother. Let him get his ass kicked...hell, its probably better that way. If someone did that to your little brother, would you care that hes probably gonna beat your ass too? I wouldnt, and nobody else would either. Tell the damn story!

>I agree. Guevara should have won another type of match, and
>the table match is the blow-off.

The tables match as it went down, on PPV, would have served as an effective passing of the torch, and done SO much for Sammy. Now im afraid they're gonna make him look stupid, and i don't think he's quite there yet to be able to talk his heat back up Wednesday.

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7. "RE: All Out predicitions"
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>AEW World Championship: Jon Moxley (c) vs. MJF

I think Moxley retains and then loses to Omega with the next two new champions being Hangman and then MJF.

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10. "i dont need Kenny Omega on TV at all"
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much less as the champion. dude's last singles match was a grueling 20 minute battle with...

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Dude is one of the best wrestlers in the world. People have been wanting him as champ before AEW had their own show.

If you get The Cleaner Kenny as your champ people are going to be really into it.

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12. "im not going out of my way with *anybody*"
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for some people, thats good. ive never seen an invisible man, invisible hand grenade, or pause button. So all that indie shit never happened to me. Janela, Chuck Taylor, OC, and so many others get a free pass for all of it.

for others, like Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks, thats not so good. they cant do a believable promo, and can barely deliver a produced vignette. i cant handle Matt Jackson hulking up without wishing Rick Steiner would do a shoot run in. Omega has actually gotten better in a tag team for me. For a while his shit had gotten more serious, and more interesting. But thats kinda fallen by the wayside again, and i dont think hes an amazing worker. I think hes a good athlete who can do the stuff, but why am i supposed to care? I dont want to be sports-entertained by theatre kids; I want to be entertained by sports contested by athletes.

This turned into kind of a rant, but they bug me. If Omega calms his tics down there may be hope. But the Bucks...nah. I dont understand how they ever got over anywhere.

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20. "Oh, one last prediction"
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Dark Order wins, but Colt Cabana leaves. Or, more likely, they turn against him. Seems like they're setting this up after tonight's episode of Dark. They try to make him fight dirty/injury someone on the Rhodes crew and he refuses. Then they can move him into a feud with Lee.

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2. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Who's the best performer so far this year?

I've been impressed with Drew's run as a babyface champ. Didn't think it would've worked as well as it has, but I can't say he's been the BEST so far this year. It's between Bayley and Orton for me.

>Best storyline in wrestling?

Bayley and Banks carried both main roster brands for months. They're pacing their story just right. I'm gonna say this one for me so far, but I'm putting a placeholder for how they do Reigns as a heel


>Anyone due for a title shot?

I'd like to see Reigns v. Big E at 'Mania. Already had a fantasy booking angle in my head when Reigns won and its no secret WWE is big on E right now.

I also want to see Cassidy with the TNT title, cause I think that is his ceiling. He's great all around, but I just don't see AEW going that route. If he does? Cool, but I think him with the TNT title would be great.


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4. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>
>Any predictions?

I included my All Out predictions under MrHood since I agreed with most of his. I'm trying to predict how New Japan plays out this year and I'm at a loss. Had the year played out normally I'd say it's Kota's time to climb the mountain, but the Naito double title run just got a restart and I doubt they take the belts off him in January.

So who wins the G1 to challenge Naito and lose? I think they keep Okada out of the main event scene for now and save Ibushi for next year. The Evil experiment is over. I would love to see a dark horse like SANADA or Ishii challenging but it seems unlikely. My pick is Jay White. The dude can go and has genuine heel heat. He'll get cheap wins to rack up points and be rested for the finals. I wonder if they'll even have time for someone to challenge for that spot ahead of WK.

>
>Who's the best performer so far this year?

Asuka. There are a handful of people who have shined during the COVID era, but she's turned chicken shit into chicken soup.

>Best storyline in wrestleing?

The Elite breakup

>Anyone due for a title shot?

I'd like to see Big E get his shot soon. Probably one more feud before he gets in the title picture though.

The aforementioned Ishii would put on a phenomenal title match with Naito.

My pick for AEW is always Pentagon. I want him to be champion forever in every company.

  

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6. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Who's the best performer so far this year?

Easily Cody. Second, Tony Schiavone. Both shows are wayyyyyy better with him playing point guard instead of Excali- "Chris" Bur-man

>Best storyline in wrestleing?

whats tully scheming on?

>Anyone due for a title shot?

I hate to say this, but....no. Scorpio Sky would have been my answer but Cody had more trouble with Warhorse, so...

> https://s.kast.live/g/8lf7lrmxzl

hell yeah!

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16. "RE: OKPW: All Out to Wrestle Kingdom"
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>Second, Tony Schiavone. Both shows are wayyyyyy
>better with him playing point guard instead of Excali- "Chris"
>Bur-man

Agree. I really like him and Tazz working together.

>whats tully scheming on?>

I figure they gotta pull the trigger and the new Horsemen soon. Only thing is that I hope Spears isn't involved. He's fucking dry as toast, and the loaded glove isn't helping.

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21. "idk how it happened, but Spears got me to turn around on him"
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probably a little nostalgia for the black glove gimmick, which i understood and appreciated as soon as Tully opened the box. it suits him, as does the affiliation with Tully.

ive always hated that piece of shit Blanchard since i was 4 years old, so thats working for him

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24. "Agreed, Spears would kinda drag the stable down imo"
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>
>>whats tully scheming on?>
>
>I figure they gotta pull the trigger and the new Horsemen
>soon. Only thing is that I hope Spears isn't involved. He's
>fucking dry as toast, and the loaded glove isn't helping.
>

He was hot for a second with the Cody feud but I haven’t given a fuck about him since.

  

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25. "He would be there to eat the pins"
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I wouldn't be mad at him being involved, but I wouldn't be mad if they found someone else either.

Best case for him is they use him for a bit and he's the first member they eventually turn on.

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26. "Great point"
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>I wouldn't be mad at him being involved, but I wouldn't be
>mad if they found someone else either.
>
>Best case for him is they use him for a bit and he's the first
>member they eventually turn on.

Personality-wise I don’t see him fitting with any of the guys mentioned, but if this is how it plays out that would make sense.

  

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34. "So Matt Hardy almost died. "
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That was... a really sick botched spot. It was a bad look to keep the match going. Even if it was just a brief build to that final spot. Hardy looked completely dead on his feet.

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35. "It should have been stopped"
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I think if not for the stipulation that Hardly would leave if he lost the match they would have stopped it as soon as that spot happened.

I think Matt kept trying to push to continue but after a head injury like that it shouldn't have been up to him. Ref Aubrey tried to stop it but I think she was forced to keep it going. Hope Matt is ok. Can't be doing spots like that.

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36. "Bad not for Matt’s "
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Evan Bourne also almost died.

Feel bad for him with the Shockmaster debut.

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37. "So... I think it was an intentionally botched spot"
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that actually fucked Hardy up??? Like the table was way too close and Hardy obviously hit his head on the concrete, but then they kept the camera on the ref’s X, which is suspect because you’re supposed to cut away.

Idk, either way it was a terrible look. WWE did a fake X a few years back so there is a precedent, but I don’t think it’sa thing that should ever be done. The dumb explanation after the fact did nothing to make it look okay. Worst part of the night.

  

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41. "I initially thought it was going to be a work."
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Like you said, during the last period I was really into wrestling, refs were doing fake Xs and announcers were doing the soto voce when the guy (or girl) wasn't really injured. While watching it, my homie even said, "Oh, they're going to have him transform into 'Broken Matt' and then he'll stomp Guevara.'"

But some it become apparent that he'd knocked his brain loose, especially as he tried to keep fighting. And everything that happened on the way to the scaffolding and climbing up it just looked awful.

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38. "An hour too long"
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The 2nd half was really good but I was getting super tired cause of how long the first half was. They also need to figure out a way to mic the minimal crowd cause it was dead. Also did they stop moving the wrestlers sitting front row? How did it sound emptier than a few weeks ago?

Things I enjoyed:

Mox/MJF
Jericho/Cassidy
Bucks/Jurassic Express
Dark Order vs. Hodge Podge crew (big surprise, did not expect to like it, coulda been moved to Dynamite for time though)
Both preshow matches

Middling:

Tag Title (great match that was simply way too long)
Battle Royale (it was a mess and the Sudan bitch was brutal, but I mostly enjoyed it)
Shida/Rosa (good match that had no heat since it wasn’t a feud)

Could’ve done without:

Swole/Baker
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39. "I enjoyed it quite a bit"
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The bad: Britt vs. Swole should have stayed on the pre-show. Guevara vs. Hardy should have been ended or delayed, as Hardy probably couldn't have told you his own name after that bump. That match will probably never get mentioned again.

The okay:

The battle royale was messy as fuck and it was always clear Archer was going to win, but it had some good spots. It lets them continue Sparks vs. Allin, Kage vs. Archer for a little while, LAX vs. Best Friends (which I actually like), and even Hager vs. Sonny Kiss. They're going to have to establish Sydal as a bad-ass again after he falls in his fucking head the first time out.

Orange Cassidy vs. Jericho was slow, but I certainly smiled like shit when Cassidy won. Jericho is so fricking over that him losing the blow-off isn't going to hurt him.

And, yeah, the Dark Order vs. Dustin and crew was probably a Dynamite match, but Dustin winning was a feel good moment, and it further advances Cabana/Lee storyline. I'm okay if they milk for a while longer, where they keep trying to corrupt Colt, until he snaps.


The good: Young Guns vs. Jurassic Express, he women's title match, FTR winning, and Moxley vs. MJF were all money. Young Guns going heel again works, Page didn't end up looking weak, and MJF stays over even with the loss, as he'll have more shit to gripe about on Wednesday.

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40. "Lol autocorrect "
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Sudan bitch = Sydal botch

  

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42. "So, Miro is All Elite"
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That was a nice surprise when he came out during the whole Kip marriage angle. Interested in what they have in store for him.

Also, the A and B blocks have been announced for the G1 this year. As always I have no idea who is taking this thing.

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43. "Miro's intro was weak"
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>That was a nice surprise when he came out during the whole
>Kip marriage angle. Interested in what they have in store for
>him.

I don't see any reason for him to pal around with Kip Sabian unless Kip is immediately gonna say some shit that offends Miro and he throws him in the accolade. And what tf was the bit with 2 people thinking they were his best man? God that did not land.

Also pretty sick of the "this is a vague reference to why I hated WWE" even if it was just a couple lines. Would've been more tolerable if the whole thing was put together better. His appeal is that he's funny AND he's a badass. We didn't see either of those things.

>
>Also, the A and B blocks have been announced for the G1 this
>year. As always I have no idea who is taking this thing.

Still got Jay White this year, but it'll be interesting to see how it shakes out. No more showcase tags before the tournament matches. I rarely watch those anyway so it's no loss for me.

  

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44. "Tonight's Dynamite was great. Best episode in weeks"
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Opening match between FTR and Jurassic Express was thoroughly enjoyable. Made Jungle Boy look even better than usual.

Page vs. Kazarian was also really good as well. Love how they're still slow-playing this angle.

MJF winning in 10 seconds then getting off another awesome promo worked. I wonder if they're really going to bring in a new "stable" or use this as a reason to talk shit about every faction in the company.

Eddie Kingston and crew's beatdown was fun. And Eddie talking shit while it was going on is hilarious. I want more of these cats.

Jericho/Hager vs. Private Party and Thunder Rose vs. Ivelese weren't earth shattering but they had perfectly good action, especially the former.

I can get behind what's largely a Hoss Fight for the six-man tag next week. And I can really get behind the beginning of this Hobbs semi-push (Yay Area!)

And Best Friends vs. Santana & Ortiz was phenomenal. I know some of y'all don't dig Best Friends, but I was all in on this. And Santana & Ortiz rocking the Dead Presidents face paint was the hardest shit ever. Just a fucking brutal match. And the end, from popping the trunk to Trent's Mom picking them up in the mini-van and flipping them off as they rode off into the sunset was perfect.

Only weak link is the Miro/Rusev stuff.

Looks like they're doing two broadcasts next week. Probably testing it out to see if it can work in the future.

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