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Binlahab
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"so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?"


  

          

i cant find a link



but...ive seen it in a few places

one day where all the Black ppl buy...nothing.

yeah you can buy from a black owned business but how many of those are there?

ONE day, people. where you dont buy shit.

can you do it?


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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sorry but no
Aug 26th 2014
1
you got a better one? we're all ears.
Aug 26th 2014
5
      one day boycotting is novel
Aug 26th 2014
8
           this is not a bad idea at all.
Aug 26th 2014
9
           with enough time to plan and strategize to make it effective
Aug 26th 2014
12
           !
Aug 26th 2014
10
           yep, unblack friday
Aug 26th 2014
11
           got to start somewhere
Aug 26th 2014
14
           he didn't say they can't be convinced to do 1 day
Aug 26th 2014
16
           great! so a economic boycott of everything, forever.
Aug 26th 2014
20
                the bus boycott was how long?
Aug 26th 2014
22
                     381 days. over a YEAR.
Aug 26th 2014
24
           the reason you won't get 'the whole community' on board for a day
Aug 26th 2014
21
                nigga fuck you, im buying my kids shit for christmas. - everyone
Aug 26th 2014
23
                "My kid could be dead by Christmas"
Aug 26th 2014
28
                poignant
Aug 26th 2014
33
                and again this is why the message should come from the pulpit
Aug 26th 2014
31
                     I'm writing down all of this
Aug 26th 2014
46
                     The Black Church does NOT have the power
Aug 26th 2014
53
                     This is the opportunity to get it back
Aug 26th 2014
60
                     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo
Aug 26th 2014
236
                          man i love you d n/m
Aug 26th 2014
242
                          I think we need to cover it
Aug 26th 2014
259
                          This is amazing!
Aug 26th 2014
245
                This could be a powerful thing.
Aug 26th 2014
44
                     I like that
Aug 26th 2014
76
                     I like the idea of cancelling Christmas. We can plan now
Aug 26th 2014
165
           or Black Friday or Cyber Monday....
Aug 26th 2014
18
yep. (link)
Aug 26th 2014
2
Is this the same as people doing those gas boycotts?
Aug 26th 2014
3
:(
Aug 26th 2014
4
yep. except multiply that by...everything.
Aug 26th 2014
7
why do u think it gets the message across?
Aug 26th 2014
13
      when a business does not get any sales for a day, it hurts.
Aug 26th 2014
15
           someone mentioned the gas boycott above
Aug 26th 2014
17
                i work in the oil & gas industry.
Aug 26th 2014
19
                     but it's not EVERYBODY not buying....
Aug 26th 2014
25
                     oh ok
Aug 26th 2014
26
                          so what is your solution?
Aug 26th 2014
51
                               it has to be more than one day to have any lasting effect
Aug 26th 2014
87
yerp. Same strategy from right after the Rodney King verdict where
Aug 26th 2014
37
lol
Aug 26th 2014
6
how long could y'all go without buying outside of the black community?
Aug 26th 2014
27
in most communities you couldn't
Aug 26th 2014
29
shortsighted foolishness
Aug 26th 2014
30
okay so what's your idea?
Aug 26th 2014
56
"conscious" blacks are just speaking to other "conscious" blacks.
Aug 26th 2014
32
speeches only reaches those who already know about it..
Aug 26th 2014
34
the lack of leadership is the most frustrating thing about this
Aug 26th 2014
36
no shit. do you have a better idea?
Aug 26th 2014
40
      u shot down imcvspl's good ones
Aug 26th 2014
42
      I listed one of them.
Aug 26th 2014
66
           I think a neighborhood watch drive would be awesome
Aug 26th 2014
102
it's got to be something longterm.
Aug 26th 2014
35
excellent point actually
Aug 26th 2014
47
how does this affect police brutality? and murderous police?
Aug 26th 2014
38
It gets people to pay attention to more than vigils and marches
Aug 26th 2014
58
does anyone have a better idea?
Aug 26th 2014
39
imcvspl points are great though
Aug 26th 2014
41
let's boycott Anheuser-Busch until the
Aug 26th 2014
43
I like this one ^^^
Aug 26th 2014
57
A-B is a Belgian company though.
Aug 26th 2014
142
      .
Aug 26th 2014
163
police forces in general need to be more directly beholden
Aug 26th 2014
45
we've definitely got to make it about the bigger picture
Aug 26th 2014
48
      EXACTLY
Aug 26th 2014
62
I continue to reference the bus boycotts as an example for strategy
Aug 26th 2014
52
hands up united has a good list going
Aug 26th 2014
81
what is the consequence if these demands are not met?
Aug 26th 2014
116
Succinct goals are the first priority
Aug 26th 2014
84
Real talk bin
Aug 26th 2014
55
      Bang!
Aug 26th 2014
59
the other reason canceling christmas works is it's feasible.
Aug 26th 2014
49
so, y'all wanna cancel Christmas? how to organize it then?
Aug 26th 2014
50
Anchor a post about it.
Aug 26th 2014
65
not yet... let's keep talking first
Aug 26th 2014
77
Muthafucka for what?
Aug 26th 2014
69
also, we can start organizing the cancel christmas campaign on OKP.
Aug 26th 2014
54
but WHY are we canceling Christmas? What is the relationship between
Aug 26th 2014
61
!!!!!
Aug 26th 2014
63
I'll be back abby, give me a few.
Aug 26th 2014
67
while you're at it, try to address the questions in #52 if you can
Aug 26th 2014
68
      Cancelling Christmas is symbolic
Aug 26th 2014
92
whats the relationship between ALS and ice water?
Aug 26th 2014
70
Nothing. It's just a challenge
Aug 26th 2014
73
The ice-water element was merely a viral marketing tactic to drive
Aug 26th 2014
74
Exactly.
Aug 26th 2014
135
i've heard it said that the way you feel when ice water is dumped on you
Aug 26th 2014
86
It's supposed to mimic the symptoms of ALS.
Aug 26th 2014
88
I thought I heard b/c the sensation you feel when you go numb
Aug 26th 2014
100
I'm kinda spitballing here.
Aug 26th 2014
72
      those are great slogans and sentiments, but without strategic intent
Aug 26th 2014
75
           what's the connection between the founding fathers and obama care?
Aug 26th 2014
78
                to compel people en masse, it has to make a lot of sense
Aug 26th 2014
79
christmas is not just about buying things, so be more specific
Aug 26th 2014
64
      the problem is it's not affecting the target directly.
Aug 26th 2014
83
           They're so insulated we cannot. We CAN hurt big biz
Aug 26th 2014
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                yes.
Aug 26th 2014
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                Marvel Team-up!
Aug 26th 2014
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                ^^^^^ yep!
Aug 26th 2014
209
                Man, all of this!^^^
Aug 26th 2014
240
                Definitely
Aug 26th 2014
269
What's the goal?
Aug 26th 2014
71
Canceling christmas is a great idea
Aug 26th 2014
80
I have an idea: Black book drive.
Aug 26th 2014
82
This would be a great alternative to gifts for xmas
Aug 26th 2014
85
      It could be cool to fold the book drive into Cancel Christmas
Aug 26th 2014
104
i think we should blacklist one big ass company each month.
Aug 26th 2014
89
I was thinking certain companies should be targeted during christmas
Aug 26th 2014
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      yep thats even better: maybe 3 companies per mos?
Aug 26th 2014
101
           4 add Garner in there.
Aug 26th 2014
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                *smacks forehead* yep.
Aug 26th 2014
172
I don't see how that would compel law enforcement to GAF
Aug 26th 2014
90
Can I say how happy this post makes me!
Aug 26th 2014
91
Yup, I think the messaging could be made direct
Aug 26th 2014
93
A great slogan or marketing tool can take a little thing
Aug 26th 2014
109
I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving
Aug 26th 2014
I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving
Aug 26th 2014
125
      I like the black books suggestion below n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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      I like it but I don't think it will be very compelling to the masses
Aug 26th 2014
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           I agree, I think it needs to be a month(s) of planned activities
Aug 26th 2014
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                How about xmas and every consumer holiday after that?
Aug 26th 2014
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      The 12 days of Xmas parallel a 12 step program
Aug 26th 2014
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           Ow...Yes!!!
Aug 26th 2014
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I like this
Aug 26th 2014
95
love it.
Aug 26th 2014
106
thats a good idea
Aug 26th 2014
113
i like it.
Aug 26th 2014
145
this is great
Aug 26th 2014
yes.
Aug 26th 2014
217
Thanksgrieving
Aug 26th 2014
94
Karenga tried to create a Christmas alternative with Kwanzaa
Aug 26th 2014
96
Karenga was complicit in the deaths of black freedom fighters
Aug 26th 2014
99
which has zilch to do with why Kwanzaa is dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
107
It is for me cause my folks died n/m
Aug 26th 2014
108
That's cool but not the topic at the moment
Aug 26th 2014
115
which has nothing to do with the principles of Kwanzaa nm
Aug 26th 2014
110
Can we focus on starting something new in this post?
Aug 26th 2014
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      my point: black folks are generally hesistant towards anything "new"
Aug 26th 2014
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           Thanks. :)
Aug 26th 2014
118
Halloween / Day of the Dead
Aug 26th 2014
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Preliminary Artwork I just whipped up
Aug 26th 2014
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That smacks me in the face
Aug 26th 2014
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I mentioned in another post
Aug 26th 2014
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That's very striking and effective.
Aug 26th 2014
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nice creative. Might be more compelling if it said "your kid" or "our ki...
Aug 26th 2014
120
I like the poster, it would be an effective ad.
Aug 26th 2014
123
yuh
Aug 26th 2014
128
      What is the importance of giving gifts at Xmas?
Aug 26th 2014
133
           tradition, family, consumption.
Aug 26th 2014
155
           imcvspl stated above that we could move christmas
Aug 26th 2014
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                Like i said: asking people to change behaviors w/o a clear benefit.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i think the black dollar is very powerful
Aug 26th 2014
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                     It's not punishment, it's a return to our core values as a community
Aug 26th 2014
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                          Which are?
Aug 26th 2014
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                               Going back centuries, the black community has consistently
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    So what are the core values? Are the childless excluded?
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         Survival through adversity.
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              Good luck.
Aug 26th 2014
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           Ok, I'm Joe Blow Postal Worker. I make $35k/yr as a mail clerk
Aug 26th 2014
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                Psst Abby...
Aug 26th 2014
170
                Ugh..
Aug 26th 2014
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                Because if we don't get this fixed it could be your child next.
Aug 26th 2014
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                please answer each of the questions that I posed
Aug 26th 2014
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                That's why it's important to begin now, I agree the kids are hard
Aug 26th 2014
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                please answer the questions that I posed.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em
Aug 26th 2014
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                     RE: I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em
Aug 26th 2014
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                          thanks abby
Aug 26th 2014
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                               i wish you all well.
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i'll take a stab...
Aug 26th 2014
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                would have to get son and daughter on board wayyyyyy ahead of time
Aug 26th 2014
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                Here's your answer.
Aug 26th 2014
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                this is the beginning of some good answers. i still do not see a
Aug 26th 2014
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                     Corporations are profit machines. THIS is why they've bought congress.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          imcvspl just said that that's NOT the purpose.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          we're still talking rather than rushing to try to do
Aug 26th 2014
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                          my thoughts on not trying to force corporate hands
Aug 26th 2014
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                               It's not antipathy, its about accountability.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               Strategically yes, we just don't have to make it a bullet point
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    Ah, you're talking about message. Gotcha!
Aug 26th 2014
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                               I don't think enough has been said about our PAIN
Aug 26th 2014
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                Sorry. Actually they are helpful questions to think about.
Aug 26th 2014
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I definitely agree with 'Your'
Aug 26th 2014
143
Actually pretty dope.
Aug 26th 2014
144
cool. will update with "your"
Aug 26th 2014
171
wow.. well done
Aug 26th 2014
262
another i'd suggest- "b/c our kids might not be here for Christmas"
Aug 26th 2014
453
How is it possible not to buy food at least, unless yall fast?
Aug 26th 2014
119
Pretty sure it was established food is a go
Aug 26th 2014
122
We're talking Christmas gifts.
Aug 26th 2014
127
      Oh, I was responding to the OP's original proposal of Sept 8
Aug 26th 2014
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people always want this nationwide shit.
Aug 26th 2014
121
This is a show of force
Aug 26th 2014
126
Exactly.
Aug 26th 2014
129
It's a nationwide issue that affects everyone locally
Aug 26th 2014
131
"It's a nationwide issue" <--What is "it," though?
Aug 26th 2014
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      I think what your missing is
Aug 26th 2014
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      same things i said in my initial reply:
Aug 26th 2014
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      That's my point, they're broad...
Aug 26th 2014
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      How are you going to come up with a solution before you have a cause?
Aug 26th 2014
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           the cause is known
Aug 26th 2014
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      I said more in #84
Aug 26th 2014
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YES...and it takes a *lot* of work
Aug 26th 2014
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this the age of aquarius tho.
Aug 26th 2014
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Can we still accept xmas gifts from white people?
Aug 26th 2014
124
I like the idea of protest through the month of december
Aug 26th 2014
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White folks should participate too!
Aug 26th 2014
224
I'm too down to cancel Christmas and I will tell every person I know...
Aug 26th 2014
134
If this is gonna happen we have to organize a campaign
Aug 26th 2014
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      Agreed
Aug 26th 2014
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           This is where the paralysis by analysis comes in
Aug 26th 2014
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                It doesn't have to be workshopped to death
Aug 26th 2014
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                Yeah, I kinda agree.
Aug 26th 2014
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                Word. Let's focus on getting a working framework up
Aug 26th 2014
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Yo, if you aint part of the solution stfu and go elsewhere. Seriously
Aug 26th 2014
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Here here
Aug 26th 2014
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Seconded.
Aug 26th 2014
162
This is kind of the point though...
Aug 26th 2014
178
You're talking about diffuse power tho.
Aug 26th 2014
184
      National campaigns almost always rely on coalitions
Aug 26th 2014
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           I'm down w/coalitions. I just think we need a framework.
Aug 26th 2014
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                I agree with this, the same way Million Man March was organized.
Aug 26th 2014
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                The Million Man March was organized by a coalition of local groups
Aug 26th 2014
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                There are thousands of groups developing frameworks
Aug 26th 2014
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                     framework(s) is the problem. Again, Diffuse power.
Aug 26th 2014
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                          I think my last post addressed that point about frameworks
Aug 26th 2014
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                               It did. I simply disagree.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               You assume there aren't people here connected to those movements
Aug 26th 2014
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                               exactly. that is my plan as well.
Aug 26th 2014
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                               That's a fair point...I did assume
Aug 26th 2014
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                               This is a chance for people to learn...
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    All your points are fair
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         are you familiar with IMPACT?
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              I'm not familiar with them
Aug 26th 2014
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                                                   coolio :)
Aug 26th 2014
255
*some* criticism/good questions make ideas/plans better
Aug 26th 2014
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lol now you acting self-righteous
Aug 26th 2014
201
      "Now"? How long you been watching me? I didn't just get like this
Aug 26th 2014
234
           I wish we were still Funky Old Souls
Aug 26th 2014
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does the dispensary count?
Aug 26th 2014
152
Nah, we gon need some green to get through it.
Aug 26th 2014
154
I'm sure there a gif somewhere of a black man saying I'm cancelling chri...
Aug 26th 2014
164
& obviously the #cancelchristmas hashtag campaign is a no brainer
Aug 26th 2014
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Naturally.
Aug 26th 2014
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I'ma TRY.
Aug 26th 2014
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i think cancel xmas is relatively easy to "market"
Aug 26th 2014
185
Cancelling Christmas is an opportunity
Aug 26th 2014
187
SIDEBAR: How could we target local legislation/enforcement?
Aug 26th 2014
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I honestly feel that it will trickle down.
Aug 26th 2014
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I posted about a 50 state strategy in Case's post
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^ Yeah, demands must be tied to legislation
Aug 26th 2014
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
Aug 26th 2014
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This reminds me, an ally we have in this is Black Businesses
Aug 26th 2014
222
RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
Aug 26th 2014
260
great idea.... a black christmas
Aug 26th 2014
362
so instead of "canceling Christmas" we only buy from black owned?
Sep 09th 2014
482
sixteenstone's cousin was killed by police this week
Aug 26th 2014
203
Damn. WTF is going on in America?
Aug 26th 2014
215
      It's open season on black men.
Aug 26th 2014
218
this is all beautiful and gives me hope.
Aug 26th 2014
223
Where tho?
Aug 26th 2014
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anywhere that isn't an urban area.
Aug 26th 2014
228
I can do firearms
Aug 26th 2014
244
What you dont buy today, you will buy tomorrow
Aug 26th 2014
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Not true
Aug 26th 2014
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      RE: Not true
Aug 26th 2014
309
           RE: Not true
Aug 26th 2014
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                RE: Not true
Aug 27th 2014
464
                u missed what he was saying
Aug 27th 2014
465
#CancelChristmas is a great idea imo
Aug 26th 2014
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Well if Santa wants to keep his PR on high he better get on board.
Aug 26th 2014
246
this dude just be spitting actual factuals on a daily basis
Aug 26th 2014
248
On point
Aug 26th 2014
254
*applauds*
Oct 11th 2014
493
whatever is agreed upon: pls put it on okp FRONT PAGE.
Aug 26th 2014
261
So let's summarize this shit before cats get off work.
Aug 26th 2014
263
Yep, I'm in.
Aug 26th 2014
265
I like this
Aug 26th 2014
270
I like it, but one suggestion:
Aug 26th 2014
272
Right. Not just fortune 500's.
Aug 26th 2014
280
Exactly... No gifts at all! If it's fuzzy people won't participate
Aug 26th 2014
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      Definitely. Great point.
Aug 26th 2014
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agreed. i dont even know all the fortune 500s
Aug 26th 2014
284
I think it should start in November to cover Black Friday
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^^^
Aug 26th 2014
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      Yes!!!
Aug 26th 2014
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      ^^^^
Aug 26th 2014
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      I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out
Aug 26th 2014
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           RE: I'm willing to concede presents after the season but hear me out
Aug 26th 2014
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           I think good replacement activities for gifts can nullify kids being sad...
Aug 26th 2014
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                Yeah, that's gonna be the test, cause you know shit won't change over ni...
Aug 26th 2014
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                     this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see
Aug 26th 2014
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                          RE: this is why it can't just be a passive action and wait and see
Aug 26th 2014
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seriously though, buy your kids New Year's gifts or something.
Aug 26th 2014
266
:/
Aug 26th 2014
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I'd rather tell my kids the truth
Aug 26th 2014
275
they didnt need to be straight up with you
Aug 26th 2014
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      RE: they didnt need to be straight up with you
Aug 26th 2014
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Kids need justice more than they need an X-box 4 ever.
Aug 26th 2014
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simple
Aug 26th 2014
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      kids are a lot smarter than you're giving them credit for.
Aug 26th 2014
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      yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
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           as parents its your job to make them understand
Aug 26th 2014
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           real talk: jesus freaks already got one foot out the door.
Aug 26th 2014
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           RE: yes but atrueheads point shouldn't just be dismissed
Aug 26th 2014
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      This nygga quoting Biggie
Aug 26th 2014
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           Exactly
Aug 26th 2014
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           oh.
Aug 26th 2014
334
There's more to life and holidays than tickle me elmo
Aug 26th 2014
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this is the perfect opportunities for parents to teach children
Aug 26th 2014
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wtf.
Aug 26th 2014
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      they'll live
Aug 26th 2014
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      the point that atruehead is making is a very valid point. And it's not j...
Aug 26th 2014
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      i don't think anyone is saying don't gather & worship for xmas.
Aug 26th 2014
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           but I'm not saying that it can't be done. I'm saying that if it is to be...
Aug 26th 2014
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                i mean if as soon as ppl bring it up the biggest question is
Aug 26th 2014
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                     meet them where they are rather than trying to force them
Aug 26th 2014
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                          RE: meet them where they are rather than trying to force them
Aug 26th 2014
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                               it's not anti consumerism, it's a show of our consumer power
Aug 26th 2014
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                                    It's anti consumer at its core
Aug 26th 2014
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                                         It's pro-American at it's core because our kids are American
Aug 26th 2014
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                                              I'm with you of course
Aug 26th 2014
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      We can't start out divisive or our numbers dwindle
Aug 26th 2014
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           yea, good luck with that.
Aug 26th 2014
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           Peace out then
Aug 26th 2014
325
                nah... yall are both still in
Aug 26th 2014
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      they also want to eat ice cream for dinner
Aug 26th 2014
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           n/m
Aug 26th 2014
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           whet
Aug 26th 2014
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                blk folks are going 110 mph as consumers + we r slammin the brakes
Aug 26th 2014
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                     but it's not about consumerism
Aug 26th 2014
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                          abolishing consumerism isn't the goal but consumerism will be the
Aug 26th 2014
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                               agreed. so lets lower the hurdle a bit so every1 can clear it.
Aug 26th 2014
347
           you compared Christmas to ice cream for dinner
Aug 26th 2014
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           wait so a parent willing to 'cancel xmas' to achieve this goal
Aug 26th 2014
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                she used the phrase "who gives a fuck what they want?"
Aug 26th 2014
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                     i didn't take it that literally
Aug 26th 2014
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                     priorities...
Aug 26th 2014
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           Secretly my thoughts as well...
Aug 26th 2014
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Im going to try clarifying myself as simple as I can
Aug 26th 2014
332
Things that need to be clear before moving forward
Aug 26th 2014
267
I think we should focus on Black Life Matters
Aug 26th 2014
288
I like that a lot. It has to be a positive movement.
Aug 26th 2014
291
      Food drives is a great idea
Aug 26th 2014
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           i will 1,000% back the food drive method. TOTALLY do that
Aug 26th 2014
406
basic + typical framework standard among organizers:
Aug 26th 2014
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if we ALL said FUCK walmart / target / mcd's / amazon / nike
Aug 26th 2014
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the media can smell anger and spin it out of control
Aug 26th 2014
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      i keep seeing the headlines - niggas: the new grinch
Aug 26th 2014
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btw, the cancelling christmas movement started with Elijah Muhammad
Aug 26th 2014
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Would observant Muslims be celebrating Christmas anyway?
Aug 26th 2014
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many would/do... same way a lot of non-religious folks do...
Aug 26th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^ Let em know
Aug 26th 2014
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fuuuuck this. im not even xtian but this my daughters 1st xmas
Aug 26th 2014
320
whaet about White Elephant at the office???
Aug 26th 2014
322
educate them and get them down in solidarity n/m
Aug 26th 2014
343
      We have constant feed of Fox News on every TV in my bldg/company
Aug 26th 2014
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Full disclosure: I'm buying my kids shit for Xmas.
Aug 26th 2014
336
LOL you ol fake revolutionary ass nygga
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Nothing fake abt my children's happiness to me, square bear.
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      LOL im with ya big daddy. but you contradicting ya self/posts above
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           please illustrate this contradiction.
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                WTF are you boycotting if you shift revenue from wk 50 to wk 44???
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                     fiscal numbers are statistics
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                     thats my job. i track pharmaceutical sales to help Pfizer sell more dope
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                          yea i'm not talking q4, i'm talking q1 2015
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                               well, evrybody else buying their gifts BEFORE xmas, not after
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                                    Bin is not everybody
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                                         i wish yall luck and will help yall plan but im not joining yall
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                                              are you christian?
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                                                   never been baptised only been inside a church maybe 5 times in life
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                                                        back to shifting the numbers...
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                                                             it's a long post but you gotta review everything i've said
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                                                                  can we pick Juneteenth or some day like that?
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                                                                  Deejboram is right. No pain, no gain
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                                                                       take it back to Sarah_Bellum's statement of purpose
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                     So do you have the contradiction or what?
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                          you're speaking with a forked tounge
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                               What is the title of this post?
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                                    it's 53 mins past my bedtime daddy. hasta manana
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                                         Riiiight nm
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                                              and im baaaaaaack
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oh jesus fuckin christ
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Damn did I just strangle the movement in its crib?
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      when the GENERAL is caught Happy Houring with the enemy...
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when does the christmas buying season officially start?
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hmmm. good question.
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'black friday' has become the official kick off of the
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smh...
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The only problem i have with this...
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Seriously, those advocating denying kids shit...how many of y'all have k...
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LOL you is one funny nygga ya know
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i have a kid
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so answer the question.
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      he's two so 'no we can't get that right now' is pretty much as far as
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isnt the point of any boycott 2 secure a better future for those kids?
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do you have children? if so what are you going to tell em?
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      i dont but i can tell u that my mom didnt buy me shit a christmas or two
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           my nephews only get presents when i remember to buy them smthg
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damn bin. is christmas canceled or not?
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yal putting too much pressure on the dude
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Bin I have kids and I get it, that's why we're talking
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my kid(s) aint gettin SHIT unless i want them too
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      let me guess, your kid(s) ain't four yet
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           exactly. its about me. my daughter is five months.
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                then i would encourage you to reconsider
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                     i focus my attn on affecting healtcare policy change
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                          as an aside
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                               you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk
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                                    RE: you hittin REALLY close to home with this oncology talk
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                                         my bad. this request just flashed through my mind, been busy with SAGES
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I have two kids and I'd feel like I failed as a parent...
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then this is where I gracefully bow out
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      again, fake ass gangster. nygga sellling woof tickets
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      in the span of a week ive seen u post about BEING ARMED
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      grand opening, grand closing
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      who are you?
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      you can have the type of conversation i'm talking about with ur kids
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      You can't go through parenthood like that
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           you don't go thru parenthood like that.
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                fuck all that bullshit, when the last time you did a brisket on the pit?
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Change can't come without sacrifice
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most of this post is ridiculous. if you want to do something
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people voted in historic numbers in 08 & 12.
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yes, and that kind of turnout was for president
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LOL
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you must have missed the part where
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how does that make sense when elections are in november?
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      *checks calendar... it's still august*
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           correct. since the boycott wont have any effect until
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lol...jesus
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Does streaming porn count?
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That's a Sunday
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if yall gonna do this **HIT THEM HOMECOMINGS** hard
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another episode of "yall niggas aint gon do shit."
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these nyggas in here selling dreams and woof tickets
Aug 26th 2014
babygirl you really do need to come out with that book tho
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lol i will
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why does what those who won't do it impact y'all who will do it?
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how about only buying from black-owned businesses?
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How did you go from this reply....
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      I did leave! Lol like 12 replies ago. I said I'd gracefully bow out
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           so how can you show solidarity
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I'm still here strategizing
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I didn't realize my power here until tonight.
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U2
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I'm with you, champ.
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did you consider my black businesses only solution?
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      Totally.
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one day where black people all across don't sag boycott
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show me the window, I will brick that shit.
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me and Binlahab agree. that's worth an archive
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Bin could've just lied and said he was down with #cancelchristmas
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lmao
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lmmfao!
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ROTFL
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Now *that* would have been fake.
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I'm crying.
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LMAO!
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Sooooo...is there an easy to read list of Black businesses or nah?
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This is a tad wonky but it's a start:
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if i'm poor does it still count as boycotting?
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I like this idea.
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^ ^ ^ ^ THIS... i don't see how this is just a reactive movement without...
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      I think this is where it really starts...
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ok...how about this
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and you can take advantage of after chrismas sales
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man...I'd like to say more but I know better
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ARCHIVE!!!!
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Would a boycott all Feb 2015 work for y'all?
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nah
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i can get behind this....
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      I was thinking this yesterday but you're the 1st in this post to say it
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Nope. Let's stick w/#cancelchristmas
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I can't front... Bin makes some great points.
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Wow. This post had it all. *thunderous applause*
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Like frill
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Have these one day sales boycotts EVER worked?
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Regardless
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Okay so where are we at this point?
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I'm finna try out a new post
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      see lol I was early yesterday with the spinoff post lol.
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      Plz do. My droid can not handle 500 posts
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
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lol
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niggas ain't even post about it on the 8th...
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lol
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lmao
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I bought two prints and a cheeseburger.
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oops
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archive this for posterity
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the boycott made the news in a few states. sorry if
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^^^^
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no one in this post did it. there's hope for Christmas though
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      no one in this post replied here on the day of
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i was kinda hype for a cancelled christmas.
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niggas just be posting.
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RE: so, yall with this september 8th planned economic boycott?
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this was one of the funniest intra-posts of all time
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I'm 90% sure #BLM was born in this post #288 to be precise
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1. "sorry but no"
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I need some strategy folks. I need long term shit. This is just a novel idea.

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5. "you got a better one? we're all ears. "
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and black people boycotting is far from a novel idea

but cool, do you


does it really matter?

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8. "one day boycotting is novel"
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wanna impress me. cancel christmas.
i'm serious.


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9. "this is not a bad idea at all. "
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>wanna impress me. cancel christmas.
>i'm serious.
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>thing, a musician." � Miles
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>"When the music stops he falls back in the abyss."

  

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12. "with enough time to plan and strategize to make it effective"
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10. "!"
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11. "yep, unblack friday "
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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14. "got to start somewhere"
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& if you think people cant be convinced to do something for one day how would we convince them to do it for a month or more?


does it really matter?

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16. "he didn't say they can't be convinced to do 1 day"
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he basically said it's ineffective if not sustained for longer than that

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20. "great! so a economic boycott of everything, forever."
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thats much better.


does it really matter?

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22. "the bus boycott was how long?"
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24. "381 days. over a YEAR. "
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21. "the reason you won't get 'the whole community' on board for a day"
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is because it lacks strategy and messaging which actually touches the people, but instead tries to guilt them into something which they don't even understand the purpose of.

but the real problem is the lack of accountability. is everyone going to videotape themselves not buying shit. that aspect is how folk will rationalize not participating because there are no checks and balances.

but on the flip side there's no goal, nothing accomplished at the end of the day. one day without black folk buying does not affect the monthly returns as much as you think, and you're not going to actually see those numbers anyway so you can't even champion its effectiveness.

you cancel christmas and those numbers will not lie. and it could happen, beginning with every pastor in every black church around this nation saying there will be no gift giving, just praising in the name of jesus. you ramp it up all the way to november and through the whole season. people have months to talk about it. and the opportunity to build solidarity around it.

it sends a message not just on the economic power, but also allows for the community to actually come together.

man listen...

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23. "nigga fuck you, im buying my kids shit for christmas. - everyone"
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oh well grand opening grand closing


does it really matter?

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28. ""My kid could be dead by Christmas""
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- slogan

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33. "poignant"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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31. "and again this is why the message should come from the pulpit"
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if our pastors are leaders they should be able to start this wave with strength. all those mega church folk should be jumping on board. all the activists and community leaders should be in the street, not just telling folk don't by christmas gifts, but talking to them about our circumstances, explaining how the action conveys its message and giving them alternatives to purchasing gifts for the holiday season. I mean if its that important just postponing our christmas until next year so that the retailers can't end the year off with a bang is effective. Say we're going to be celebrating christmas for black history month instead.

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46. "I'm writing down all of this"
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Just letting you know.

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53. "The Black Church does NOT have the power"
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or influence it used to have. (IMO).

Black folk who don't go to churh need a lightening rod also. There are plenty of those as well and they need to be reached. Listen, if we are really going to do something we must NOT argue each other down. We need to take all ideas into consideration before striking them all down before fruition. This post is like a brainstorming post IMO. We need to drop all ideas down, then break e'em out individually so a plan can develop.

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60. "This is the opportunity to get it back"
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Again I point to the people power in mega churches. If this is being preached from those pulpits it will reach the people.

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236. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3em-rWGGGo

from 1926

not exactly the same thing you're proposing but a great sermon on a related topic nonetheless... and a great little ditty

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242. "man i love you d n/m"
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259. "I think we need to cover it"
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so I'm in a band now:
album ---> http://greenwoodburns.bandcamp.com/releases
Soundcloud ---> http://soundcloud.com/greenwood-burns

my own stuff -->http://soundcloud.com/lonesomedstringband

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245. "This is amazing!"
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�The morality of work is fading because people can see that whether they�re working or not, they�re not being rewarded according to their efforts.�

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44. "This could be a powerful thing. "
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Cancel Christmas until the bullshit stops. We develop a list of stores which will be the ONLY places you can shop. Hell my friend has an app that "Around The Way" that lets you know where the Black owned businesses are in your area via GPS.

This could be real.

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76. "I like that"
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165. "I like the idea of cancelling Christmas. We can plan now"
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to create a gift that means so much more. Maybe I'm cool with cancelling bc I'm not religious. Christmas is just something I do.

I'd love to have an app to point me in the right direction to patronize black business even tho I don't live in a predominantly black communuity.

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18. "or Black Friday or Cyber Monday...."
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2. "yep. (link)"
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http://www.blacktntnews.com/national-black-out-monday-september-8-2014/

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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3. "Is this the same as people doing those gas boycotts?"
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Where they don't buy gas one day and cost the gas companies all this money that they end up making back the next day when everybody refills cause people need gas and shit?

  

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4. ":("
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*giggles*

  

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7. "yep. except multiply that by...everything."
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will one day of lost sales impact exxon or safeway? of course it will.

by making it one day, it gets the message across AND doesnt do lasting economic injury to businesses we need in our communities


does it really matter?

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13. "why do u think it gets the message across?"
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what is the message exactly?

that they depend on us?

bc going back and doubling down on what u missed out signifies we in fact need them and we're back at square 1

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15. "when a business does not get any sales for a day, it hurts."
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now if the NEXT day it gets double the business thats great...but who said that would happen?


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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17. "someone mentioned the gas boycott above"
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that's exactly what happened...

also...it doesn't hurt the people it's supposed to hurt enough to cause a real reaction...

rich people/biz are very good at passing down it's losses

just bc we have to start somewhere doesn't mean we should start somewhere meaningless

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19. "i work in the oil & gas industry."
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i assure you the loss of one days sales hurts the company.

*shrug*


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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25. "but it's not EVERYBODY not buying...."
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26. "oh ok"
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did they do anything differently after being "hurt?"

they still pass on that "hurt"

next time they get "hurt" u may be laid off...but they'll still be padding their profits one way or another

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51. "so what is your solution? "
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I think a one day boycott is a good start...

hopefully it gains traction and people do it again the next month.

Ionno.. gotta start somewhere.


  

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87. "it has to be more than one day to have any lasting effect"
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like was said above. its doesn't matter if the profits are going to be made up the next day. your still making 2 days worth of profits, the splits are just different. that's how a good business would look at the model.

to have any type of lasting effect, we need to talk about doing it at least a week or around a major time of year (ie end of the year holiday season) to make some type of impact.

  

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37. "yerp. Same strategy from right after the Rodney King verdict where "
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black college students touted a "movement," by boycotting all but black businesses for a day (it may have been a week, I forget) but made those same business profitable and then some 1 week later with all of the consumption for Freaknik.

These things are rarely well thought out, and therefore never have impact.

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6. "lol"
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27. "how long could y'all go without buying outside of the black community?"
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a day is easy but could you go a week? a month? several months?

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29. "in most communities you couldn't"
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30. "shortsighted foolishness "
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concentrated long term boycotts of specific companies is one thing
at least there is a precedent of that working
didn't people try this after the trayvon ordeal?

  

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56. "okay so what's your idea?"
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We need to buildm, not just destroy. What';s your idea?

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32. ""conscious" blacks are just speaking to other "conscious" blacks."
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This is the most useless shit ever. The whole conscious black online community reads and reblogs each other over the whole of social media.

You want to start a movement? Find a way to reach the massive other segment of the black population that is probably not considered "conscious" or boho. The ones that are looked down upon on social media, the THOTS, the ones that listen to crap music and post pictures of money, or whatever. People who have money, options, transportation, and their needs largely fulfilled want to tell people who live on a day to day basis not to spend money. Who is organizing to go and pick these people up and take them where they need to be? Who is going to pack meals so that they don't have to eat out where they are? There are too many people making demands but there are no organizers and no real leaders, zip, zilch, and nada.


People need to do something that appeals to the selfie set, much like the ice bucket campaign. I can bet that the vast majority of people who are dumping buckets of water over themselves don't know how the actions relates to the disease. They just want to join up and film themselves doing something while including their "friends". It combines the new generations desire to be acknowledged with fun and as a side note brings some awareness while generating financial backing.

I have better things to do in my quest for world domination. Y'all enjoy this and keep up the good type.

  

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34. "speeches only reaches those who already know about it.."
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36. "the lack of leadership is the most frustrating thing about this"
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this being the whole thing not just this idea.

it's just showing how fragmented we are and that fragmentation will make it impossible to accomplish goals. the biggest thing we need to do is step and organize ourselves and plan action not reactions.

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40. "no shit. do you have a better idea? "
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Oh lemme guess the better idea is to vote and just be better people and do whatever you do individually


does it really matter?

vote for bin: http://tinyurl.com/qz8zep5

  

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42. "u shot down imcvspl's good ones"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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66. "I listed one of them."
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Provide rides for people such as in situations where we need to get votes out.

Have black business people/attorneys come in to help people understand the papers that they are signing in order to prevent things like the predatory lending fiasco that just occurred and disproportionately affected minorities. Also have some come in who can help make sure that those who may otherwise be excluded from voting due to missing identification or whatever can have someone help them get the paperwork that they need.

Have local police officers visit black communities they serve to meet the people and have the people meet the officers. This can be accomplished through neighborhood watch programs where the communities have someone that they deal with for questions on a regular basis. This also works with the local politicians, that way we have a real idea of who is interested in helping/interacting with us and who is not.

Identify the people within the community that provide services that can benefit that community. Utilize a word of mouth.

Organize communities by offering things that appeal to those communities, but also allow them to both meet their neighbors and those in other neighborhoods. Organize ways for the kids to get together with each other and have fun.

Find ways to provide people who are in neighborhoods that have a large percentage of people at or below the poverty line with things that benefit them where they are. Bring education to them, give them reasons to come out and meet each other (which will usually involve options for the kids).

Identify those who have innate leadership abilities early. Find them a mentor and start teaching them about business and economics early.

Since black people are the ones who are regularly bombarded by messages telling us that we are expendable, focus on ways to counter those messages. Partner with public schools to do things like start a black history club which shows the kids that our contribution to the world extends beyond entertainment. Learn about one important black person a week, even if it's by circulating a worksheet with a picture and a few paragraphs. Get them used to the idea that the black contribution in American is much larger than what is in the history books. Petition local schools to add more black literature to their reading lists.


I'm going to stop now. Those are places to start.

What would I suggest? For people who want to do something along the lines of clicktivism first find a "non-threatening" black cause (which is almost an oxymoron) that is easy to google and won't bring up kill whitey types of posts. Send it out to groups with community ties first, inviting them to take part in fun little challenges (Motorcycle clubs were doing the als challenge months ago). See if they are able to spread it. These challenges are most successful when people are allowed to one-up each other. They need the opportunity to make a personal statement within the context of a group. It also should be ongoing instead of one day. It needs to go viral, so establishing a slow-burn instead of a flash flood.

Before attempting to set up a boycott, people need to understand what it was that made past boycotts successful among blacks. If you're asking black people to take on an undo hardship, there has to first be something in place to make it less difficult. Namely support and community accountability. Coupled with understanding what we hope to accomplish, how it will benefit them, and how the sacrifice will accomplish things.

Next start small and work up to the big things. Small victories influence the harder choices.



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102. "I think a neighborhood watch drive would be awesome"
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Like if there was a community based organization which was regularly meeting with the police in all of our neighborhoods, that'd be a great thing.

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35. "it's got to be something longterm. "
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day boycotts don't work.

all they do is give those same companies record profits on the 7th and the 9th.

but I'd definitely be down with boycotting some shit long term. Find a company closely associated or one that has bought some votes in St. Louis and just cease all support of that business til we see a change.

Had everybody said "we boycotting Coca Cola forever" maybe Troy Davis would still be alive.

or not, but we could at least do something collectively, so show our power...since we don't vote and all.

Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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47. "excellent point actually"
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>day boycotts don't work.
>all they do is give those same companies record profits on the
>7th and the 9th.

it's the exact equivalent of a hurricane being predicted for the 8th

  

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38. "how does this affect police brutality? and murderous police?"
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prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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58. "It gets people to pay attention to more than vigils and marches"
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if we can make this real, then the next demonstration can be for your concerns or even others. This opens the doors!

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39. "does anyone have a better idea?"
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Does anyone have any idea?

I've heard dude saying canceling Xmas

Anyone? Anything?

Everyone's got reasons why the ides won't work do any if you have any ideas that will?

  

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41. "imcvspl points are great though"
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>I've heard dude saying canceling Xmas

i don't think it should just be dismissed

it really has potential to be built out and be extremely impactful

the key to happiness is not being rich;
it's doing something arduous and
creating something of value and then
being able to reflect on the fruits of your labor

  

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43. "let's boycott Anheuser-Busch until the"
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Officer is put on trial for the murder of Mike Brown. Recruit whitey too, and don't buy any of their products until this case's progress is pushed along.

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ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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57. "I like this one ^^^"
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142. "A-B is a Belgian company though."
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anheuser-Busch_InBev

fuck you.

  

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163. "."
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45. "police forces in general need to be more directly beholden"
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to citizens. review boards, electronic monitoring of their activities (cams and such). this can all be legislated. Black mayors, city council members, congressmen, state legislators need to push these efforts forward asap

on our side we need to do some corrections to the way we move and things we do so as not to even give police a tangible reason to be even looking in our direction, so that if they are moving against us and not serving us it will be clearly shown as nothing more than racism

we need to abandon crime

all police should get extensive training on how to build normal human relationships with ppl in the communities they serve. if they are not of the community they need to be forced to get to know it on interpersonal levels

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48. "we've definitely got to make it about the bigger picture"
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it's being triggered by police but it's really about violence in the black community in general, and histories of policy making that have fostered the types of environments where these types of things happen.

i woke up this morning just in pain after reading about sixteenstone's cousin. we all know that chicago's been popping off like that and because of that another innocent life has been took in what without the details could still be called justified. how do we stop the not just the Mike Brown's from happening if we aren't addressing the bigger picture.

bigger picture is the policies which create this environment. police are just a faction of that. an important one no doubt but making it us vs the police is a losing battle at the moment.


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62. "EXACTLY"
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>
>bigger picture is the policies which create this environment.
>police are just a faction of that. an important one no doubt
>but making it us vs the police is a losing battle at the
>moment.
>
i personally have a very low opinion of police but i also have a very low opinion of criminals in general, included those of my own race. there is a war mentality right now where we could easily see this as fuck the police and black ppl vs police but thats not gonna help anything

the mentality needs to be shifted totally and the actions with it

police should have no reason to bother us, only do their jobs and protect and servce

police need to be accountable about how they respond and react to Black assailants as oppossed to white, our ppl shouldnt be being shot down for crimes that ppl of other races are just being arrested for

it goes both ways

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52. "I continue to reference the bus boycotts as an example for strategy"
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and mobilization.

Not that we necessarily need to boycott (although that can be on the table as well), but as a template for organization, focus, leadership and momentum on a grass roots level

1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that demand is not met

2) who are our community, local and national leaders in this effort?

3) what is required of each individual toward the effort and what is the duration?

4) what is our short term plan to meet our needs during the effort? Long term? Meaning, if we boycott stores (for example), where/how will we meet our daily needs? As an example, during the bus boycotts, we still had to go to work, so folx volunteered their cars to take neighbors, etc. to work.

5) how do we compel each other?

These are just a few questions that need to be addressed. There are many more...

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81. "hands up united has a good list going"
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>1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly
>articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that
>demand is not met

http://www.handsupunited.org/

i think we can get behind or build on a few of these like:

1. Eric Holder to use the full resources and power of the Department of Justice to implement a nationwide investigation of systematic police brutality and harassment in black and brown communities.

2. Ensure transparency, accountability, and safety of our communities by requiring front facing cameras in police departments with records of racial disparities in stops, arrests, killings, and excessive force complaints.

3. Immediate suspension without pay of law enforcement officers that have used or approved excessive use of force. Additionally, their names and policing history should be made available to the public.

4. Accountability for police practices and policies, including effective civilian review regarding shootings and allegations of misconduct.

5. Immediate de-escalation of militarized policing of protestors to protect constitutional rights.

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116. "what is the consequence if these demands are not met?"
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84. "Succinct goals are the first priority"
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>1) we need to determine what our demand is. We need to clearly
>articulate our target, desired outcome and consequence if that
>demand is not met

I think it begins with recognizing that the problem is bigger than the individual incidents and accepting that whether or not justice in this particular instance is served without lasting policy which can affect change it's meaningless.

We have to get to the root of the problem which I would articulate as the social engineering of our communities which limit the opportunities for our youth to thrive and live out the American Dream (catch phrase not indication of my belief in the actual dream).

It is under these circumstances that the youth get pulled into life on the fringes where they can be linked to criminal activity and as such dehumanized by the police department which gives rise to incidents like Mike Brown. We need this country to actively invest in opportunities for our youth to break out of this cycle. We also need the police to become accountable to the communities. I'm sure there are some systems in place but it needs to be made policy across the board so that we are the ones in those meetings with the chief's of police regularly deciding how our streets are going to be policed.

>2) who are our community, local and national leaders in this
>effort?

There are lots of organizations but imo they are too fragmented. There needs to be a centralized organization which is utlizing the smaller organizations to spread the message. The leaders need to be local but the messaging national. I'd want to try to put pressure on the congressional black caucus to step up and actually be the political representation. Community organizations to be on the ground. And as stated above religious leaders to be in the ears of the people constantly.

>3) what is required of each individual toward the effort and
>what is the duration?

It is the task of each individual to know their rights, know the objectives and continue to educate themselves on their civil responsibilities to the community.

>4) what is our short term plan to meet our needs during the
>effort? Long term? Meaning, if we boycott stores (for
>example), where/how will we meet our daily needs? As an
>example, during the bus boycotts, we still had to go to work,
>so folx volunteered their cars to take neighbors, etc. to
>work.

The reason I like cancelling christmas is that it's not about day to day needs. In essence it is a luxury we can do without. Save that money, invest it in the cause. I also like the idea of utilizing it later. But I'll talk about that more below. But back to your question in that way it's doable without affecting the day to day lives of people.

>5) how do we compel each other?

Start now and make it a solidarity movement where the primary focus is awareness and education. Everyone is helping everyone else understand what are circumstances are and what needs to be done to affect the change we need.

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55. "Real talk bin"
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I'm posting mad at myself because I got out of activism and social change movements a decade ago when i became a parent. And not just because I became a parent, but because I was fed up with that shit. And now I'm feeling guilty because all my professional energy has gone into making rich corporations richer under the guise of they allow me to feed my family. But I feel like I need to be doing more, because I was literally trained to do this from birth.

So if the things I say seem like they are attacking you or put you off because of whatever heated debates we've had in the past lets step back from that so that we can move forward. Cause the movement needs all of us if we're going to sustain it toward the change that is necessary to ensure the safety of our kids in the future.


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59. "Bang! "
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49. "the other reason canceling christmas works is it's feasible. "
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it's not realistic to not buy gas or food.
but we can do without store bought christmas gifts.

not only that, retailers have the ability to influence decision makers.

  

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50. "so, y'all wanna cancel Christmas? how to organize it then?"
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All it needs is a Facebook group and some graphics.

No buying anything but...what...food and gas and utilities and rent during holiday season?

No don't push it off somewhere else. We here now. Spell it out, I'll make a fb group and we can start priming the pump now, using these Lil social networks because big (media, govt, etc) will not be happy about this

So, if that's the best we got, and we are the best our people got...I'm rolling with it. Fuck the analysis. Let's crank this boycott


does it really matter?

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65. "Anchor a post about it. "
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Make individual replies lost in cities.
Everybody that is in the city that wants to participate replies under the thread.

Those are our boots on the ground.
Their mission is to approach their pastors and church leaders about the idea.

But we don't send them in empty handed.



Make another anchored post where legit writers
brainstorm talking points and link up ideas for how to talk about the campaign.



Once we figure out how to talk about it,
we approach our individual pastors, church leaders, and spread the word, face to face.


we check in with each other in the anchored post to report progress in various cities.


Young kids that get how twitter works can do the hashtag stuff.


That's our start.

  

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77. "not yet... let's keep talking first"
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69. "Muthafucka for what?"
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Figure that out before you start organizing.
What is the purpose of cancelling Christmas? For Michael Brown? For police brutality?
How do any of those events relate to kids getting an action figure in December?

Protests need to be specific. They need to target something specific. Look at some successful boycotts in history. Remember the bus boycotts? Very specific reason for the protest, a solid goal and good implementation.

Divestment in South Africa? A very targeted protest. Boycott and punish corporations who do business in South Africa.

Just telling people out and out to not spend money is dumb as hell.

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54. "also, we can start organizing the cancel christmas campaign on OKP. "
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we have pastors.
church members.
oh, and maybe quest would push it.

no bulllshit, we could fucking cancel christmas.
i swear to god if we pull this off i will never troll not another christmas post again.

never will i ever troll another case_one post.
i can rock with this.

  

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61. "but WHY are we canceling Christmas? What is the relationship between"
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police brutality and Christmas?

Not only do you have to spell it out for me, but you would need to spell it out for the masses in order to compel them.


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63. "!!!!!"
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prototype

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67. "I'll be back abby, give me a few."
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68. "while you're at it, try to address the questions in #52 if you can"
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In order for this to work, it will require that we think it through thoroughly and connect all the dots

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92. "Cancelling Christmas is symbolic"
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Perhaps the most beautiful thing that it can do is return the focus of the holiday itself on our own family structures and for those who are Christians the true meaning of the holiday. The beauty of it is that it taps directly into what are traditionally seen as conservative ideologies.

But what will really make it work is that we begin utilizing the holidays to continue the discussions around the violence which is creating havoc in our communities. There is a whole month dedicated to buying things and we are saying rather than do that we are going to spend that month organizing around our rights as human beings in this society.

The added bonus is that it sends the economic message that our concerns cannot be ignored. That we aren't going to be pacified by a new news cycle or the handling of one incident but that we *need* to see long term conviction for change which the long term conviction of this movement exemplifies.

To make it affective we don't completely cancel it but push it to black history month and make MLK day the new Black Friday where we will show our buying power.

These are all symbolic things that may not seem directly related but we all know the economy is the primary motivator for change in this country. If we can set our goals right (i'm thinking some sort of legislative push as the end goal) we utilize our economic power to force that to be addressed.

An added bonus for this is that we can float it into the election season and make sure this is a strong talking point in our local elections. We set the frame work so that the 2015 legislative year is about getting the laws in place which will protect our rights in this country.

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70. "whats the relationship between ALS and ice water?"
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Nigga I'm FAST....*pyoon*
ARE YOU TRYING TO RACE?!

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73. "Nothing. It's just a challenge"
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Either do this or donate money. ALS isn't the first time I've seen it or something like it

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74. "The ice-water element was merely a viral marketing tactic to drive"
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awareness

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135. "Exactly."
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It's a visible way to make our concerns felt. PLUS since the 24hr news cycle ALWAYS tracks how much money was spent on black friday, once it dips - and if this catches on it will dip - they'll have to talk about the reason why. Make no mistake, big biz has pull in politics if we put pressure on them, they will put pressure on politicians to ease up on black and brown folks.

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86. "i've heard it said that the way you feel when ice water is dumped on you"
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is similar to the sensation that those with ALS feel all the time.



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88. "It's supposed to mimic the symptoms of ALS."
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"The Ice Bucket Challenge is actually one way everyone can temporarily feel the effects of ALS that suffers experience every day of their lives. For a moment, when that ice water pours over your head and down your body, it takes your breath away and numbs your arms and legs. Fortunately, wrapping in a towel will eliminate those effects, but anyone who suffers from ALS does not get that relief."

http://www.staceypageonline.com/2014/08/22/page-lca-take-ice-bucket-challenge/





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100. "I thought I heard b/c the sensation you feel when you go numb"
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is similar to the sensation ALS patients feel

I could be completely wrong and that could be a complete lie lol

  

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72. "I'm kinda spitballing here. "
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i like how BIG cancel christmas is.
but it like it because it's peacefully disruptive.

i don't know how we can draw a link between Christmas and police brutality.

I do like the "my kid might not make it to christmas."



Perhaps this would be better for a living wage campaign.
I dunno.

  

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75. "those are great slogans and sentiments, but without strategic intent"
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behind them, they are empty rhetoric

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78. "what's the connection between the founding fathers and obama care?"
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EDIT: didn't mean to shout, meant they to be a question mark lol

don't get me wrong, stuff has to make SOME sense, to move ppl,
but not that much sense.

i mean, clearly.

anyway, i don't know if this is a GOOD idea,
but it is better than boycotting on a random day.

we'd need more strategic planning for sure, but there are some smart ppl around here.


>behind them, they are empty rhetoric

  

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79. "to compel people en masse, it has to make a lot of sense"
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64. "christmas is not just about buying things, so be more specific"
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with ur aims. and im still not seeing how this addressed police attitudes toward Black ppl

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83. "the problem is it's not affecting the target directly. "
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like we need to hurt the pockets of private prisons,
the military weapons companies,
etc.

there isn't one decision maker to attack here.

i was thinking maybe "raise awareness" but that's lame.

i dunno.
This might be stupid.


>with ur aims. and im still not seeing how this addressed
>police attitudes toward Black ppl

  

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140. "They're so insulated we cannot. We CAN hurt big biz"
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THEY inturn will put pressure on politicians and perhaps THEN we can see some fucking change. In fact we should draft a message DIRECTLY addressing them.

Find out who makes the most political contributions, at least those we can get hold of.

The banks
Visa/MC etc
Walmart/Target/Amazon ETC

Tell them, you've successfully bought our political system, so we are not holding YOU responsible for fixing this. We will shop local to deprive you of your profits Amazon et. al, we will use cash to deprive you of your fees Visa, MC, we will shop at small businessess to deprive you of your profits Walmart/Target, and we will do this until you put pressure on the politicians you have bought to change policing tactics that disproportionately make our lives worse.

I ain't saying that's the message, but something like that.

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204. "yes. "
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i thought of that after lunch and came back to post it
and there you already wrote it.

as i said, i don't know how to message it.
but the rationale is solid.


>THEY inturn will put pressure on politicians and perhaps THEN
>we can see some fucking change. In fact we should draft a
>message DIRECTLY addressing them.
>
>Find out who makes the most political contributions, at least
>those we can get hold of.
>
>The banks
>Visa/MC etc
>Walmart/Target/Amazon ETC
>
>Tell them, you've successfully bought our political system, so
>we are not holding YOU responsible for fixing this. We will
>shop local to deprive you of your profits Amazon et. al, we
>will use cash to deprive you of your fees Visa, MC, we will
>shop at small businessess to deprive you of your profits
>Walmart/Target, and we will do this until you put pressure on
>the politicians you have bought to change policing tactics
>that disproportionately make our lives worse.
>
>I ain't saying that's the message, but something like that.

  

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210. "Marvel Team-up!"
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209. "^^^^^ yep!"
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240. "Man, all of this!^^^"
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269. "Definitely"
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71. "What's the goal?"
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80. "Canceling christmas is a great idea"
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From the standpoint of someone that worked in retail for a number of years black friday and the weekends after it make up the bulk of sales.

The very idea that retailer profits could be affected would be a bigger threat than isis. A lot of begging and pleading would be going on.

That would cause retailers to step in, denying there would be an effect at first. Later, they would try to use their influence to mediate.

I'm thinking the idea begins on social media but will have to make the leap within thirty days. I'm talking about leafleting malls and shopping centers -- hand-to-hand. All that is aside from the involvement of churches.

Activist and social orgs would need to be brought into the fold and of course organizing out from there.

  

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82. "I have an idea: Black book drive."
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Identify the areas in your cities with high rates of poverty and under-performing schools.

Donate a book by a black author. It can be a book you've enjoyed, a book you think a certain grade level will enjoy, a book about a black person, or a book that influenced you.

Donate it to a person who will hand them out in the identified community in some way or directly to the schools. The books can be purchased online and shipped directly to the whom/whatever.
Do a quick blurb online about 3 favorite books, and which one you're donating and where. Challenge others to do the same, either donate one of your favorites or one of their own.



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85. "This would be a great alternative to gifts for xmas"
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104. "It could be cool to fold the book drive into Cancel Christmas"
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I love books but these kids aren't reading too tough. I think that can be part of it to fight illiteracy. Get PBF involved

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89. "i think we should blacklist one big ass company each month. "
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*shrugs*

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98. "I was thinking certain companies should be targeted during christmas"
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Not that there shouldn't be a total blackout but that certain companies would get more attention. At the end of the year economists look at a few companies to gauge the season (Gap, Walmart, Limited, etc).

Also, every year there's a company on its last leg hoping that the holiday season will help them to stay afloat. It might be worthwhile to focus attention on a company like that.

  

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101. "yep thats even better: maybe 3 companies per mos?"
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one for trayvon / jordan / mike brown?

i just wanna make sure these fuckers feel the hit.

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149. "4 add Garner in there."
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172. "*smacks forehead* yep."
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definitely.

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90. "I don't see how that would compel law enforcement to GAF"
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I would cancel the shit out of Christmas if I thought it would help. The private sector is just too far removed from police violence. Now if we could stop paying state and local taxes we would foster change.

  

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91. "Can I say how happy this post makes me!"
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This is the common sense I be spilling to friends when they come at me with this one day nonsense.

Now this canceling christmas thing sounds exciting. I like that shit a lot! It needs to be flushed out for the reasons stated. Maybe the boycott of christmas could be tied to police violence by relating it to the emptiness a family feels around a holiday when they've lost someone to gun violence... there is no celebration or gift giving.

Buy no gifts for your love ones because...
This is how Christmas feels like for Trayvon's family.
This is How Christmas feels for Mike Brown's family.
This is how Christmas would feel for my family if I lost a love one to gun violence.
And this is how Christmas should feel in america until something is done about police brutality.

  

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93. "Yup, I think the messaging could be made direct"
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Sloganized effectively. But I still urge that it go much deeper than just these incidents.

>Maybe the boycott of christmas could be tied to police
>violence by relating it to the emptiness a family feels
>around a holiday when they've lost someone to gun violence...
>there is no celebration or gift giving.
>
>Buy no gifts for your love ones because...
>This is how Christmas feels like for Trayvon's family.
>This is How Christmas feels for Mike Brown's family.
>This is how Christmas would feel for my family if I lost a
>love one to gun violence.
>And this is how Christmas should feel in america until
>something is done about police brutality.

Love these.

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109. "A great slogan or marketing tool can take a little thing"
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and blow it up in a short amount of time.
I would say a couple things....
There needs to be a list of things that people should do instead of giving. If we are asking people not to do something, like buy gifts, there has to be something to replace it... like make a youtube video of your family without gifts on Christmas day doing some prescribed thing.... or something more compelling.
That's why that ice bucket challenge enthralled so many people, beside showing off. It gave them something to do beside just sending in an envelope or plugging their credit card in a website.


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"I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving"


  

          

I could be something internet based like the ice bucket challenge but including the 12 days of christmas. I was surprised how many completely computer illiterate people were in my feed doing it, so the internet has more range than I knew.

The campaign could include the 12 days of christmas where people take pictures of themselves with their hands up, laying on the ground, in grief, mourning, basically something for each day in the run up to christmas that they post online instead of buying gifts.
Basically 12 things that show the result of police brutality.

They could send their friends and love ones challenges to do it, since that's what people are all about these days.

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125. "I'm trying to think of things people could to replace gift giving"
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I could be something internet based like the ice bucket challenge but including the 12 days of christmas. I was surprised how many completely computer illiterate people were in my feed doing it, so the internet has more range than I knew.

The campaign could include the 12 days of christmas where people take pictures of themselves with their hands up, laying on the ground, in grief, mourning, basically something for each day in the run up to christmas that they post online instead of buying gifts.
Basically 12 things that show the result of police brutality.

They could send their friends and love ones challenges to do it, since that's what people are all about these days.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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132. "I like the black books suggestion below n/m"
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137. "I like it but I don't think it will be very compelling to the masses"
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It has to hit the dudes on the corner that only read the sports page if they can't find ESPN. They're the ones getting caught up in this mess more than anyone.
It's sad to say and I wish it were different but people spend more time on facebook than they do reading a proper book.

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151. "I agree, I think it needs to be a month(s) of planned activities"
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That's why I listed Thanksgrieving and Day of the Dead. There will need to be a long list of small actions which all play into the bigger action.

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167. "How about xmas and every consumer holiday after that?"
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Cancel xmas - no response? cancel Valentines. No response? No bars on St. Patty's

etc, etc, etc.

We could REALLY fuck up the consumption cycle, if we stay disciplined.

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157. "The 12 days of Xmas parallel a 12 step program"
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160. "Ow...Yes!!!"
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I love it. America is addicted to violence and needs to clean of police brutality. That's a great angle to come at it from!
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95. "I like this"
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106. "love it."
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113. "thats a good idea"
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prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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145. "i like it."
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fuck you.

  

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"this is great"


          

  

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94. "Thanksgrieving"
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This thanksgiving our families will be gathering in solidarity to all those who have lost family members to violence.

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96. "Karenga tried to create a Christmas alternative with Kwanzaa"
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sadly every year black "comedians" troll it because the principles dont have American names

  

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99. "Karenga was complicit in the deaths of black freedom fighters"
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We need new leaders.

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107. "which has zilch to do with why Kwanzaa is dismissed"
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(black) people who know nothing of his foul history just shit on it off the rip

  

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108. "It is for me cause my folks died n/m"
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That was his option, it's our turn now.

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110. "which has nothing to do with the principles of Kwanzaa nm"
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does it really matter?

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117. "my point: black folks are generally hesistant towards anything "new""
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but I'll stop talking because Im not here to be divisive

  

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118. "Thanks. :)"
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97. "Halloween / Day of the Dead"
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We will all be dressed as victims of the violence which is ravaging our communities.

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103. "Preliminary Artwork I just whipped up"
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that we can use or build on

http://oi57.tinypic.com/28hcv2b.jpg

the handprint image is a dreamstime image that I would buy if we are gonna make this happen

if any other designers want to build on this feel free

i'm all about collabing to make something impactful

edit: it is currently sized for instagram

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105. "That smacks me in the face"
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I love it!

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112. "I mentioned in another post"
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I'd love to see a postering campaign similar to the "Don't Tell Me To Smile" One which put the images of those killed by police violence near every precinct around the globe.

Perhaps that campaign could be called "The Perfect Victim"

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114. "That's very striking and effective."
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I'm on board.

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120. "nice creative. Might be more compelling if it said "your kid" or "our ki..."
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Folx care more about their own kids than they do about strangers' kids

Still not convinced that canceling Christmas is at all relevant, but if we were to take this route, I think it would be more effective to imply a personal connection or consequence to the cause.

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123. "I like the poster, it would be an effective ad."
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But I'm not cancelling Christmas.

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128. "yuh"
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>But I'm not cancelling Christmas.
>

Lol

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133. "What is the importance of giving gifts at Xmas?"
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155. "tradition, family, consumption."
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This is one of those things that circulates around black twitter, black fb, and black blogs as a good idea. Ultimately the people who will partake are those who are least affected by the problem.

It's the time when people, many who are already sacrificing to buy gifts, get to show off the material items that they couldn't afford anyway. Parents and children alike sharing what they received as if it is a material marker of how loved they are or to ellicit envy.

This idea isn't just asking people to give up their gifts, it's asking them to give up a habit, and a deeply ingrained tradition plus the behaviors that go along with it. It is punishing the punished without showing how their sacrifice will quickly result in at least equal and beneficial change as a reward for their sacrifice. Not only that but it does nothing to affect long-term behavior.

Change doesn't happen all at once, it happens over time. Cancelling christmas punishes the participants but will probably have little effect on consumption because the gifts will still be purchased, although they may be given on 12/26. However it can be made into a great awareness campaign to educate people.

Definitely try it but be ready to make the adjustments to keep things going.

  

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166. "imcvspl stated above that we could move christmas"
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to feb for black history month

mlk bday would be black friday

which i feel is an excellent idea

we still bring attention to the issue while not "punishing" the kids

it is also an awesome way for our economic power to actually be measured via the sales figures generated

even with that, i think we should encourage folks when they do buy their gifts to support black businesses whenever possible

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179. "Like i said: asking people to change behaviors w/o a clear benefit."
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>to feb for black history month
>
>mlk bday would be black friday
>
>which i feel is an excellent idea
>
>we still bring attention to the issue while not "punishing"
>the kids
>
>it is also an awesome way for our economic power to actually
>be measured via the sales figures generated
>
>even with that, i think we should encourage folks when they do
>buy their gifts to support black businesses whenever possible

At some point the Black community will need to shift the focus from how much we're going to punish ourselves as a means to force White American to acknowledge us. You see those articles about how much more money came in for the police officer than Mike Brown's family? Our economic contribution or withdrawal over the course of one day/month can easily be thwarted. Unless it's a sustained effort over time that encourages a change in behavior, it probably won't be effective. Our dollars are only effective when they are permanently withdrawn and reallocated to benefit us. Not when they are delayed, but ultimately put into the same places.

How long can the U.S. survive without the Black dollar? What percentage of Black people would need to reallocate their funds elsewhere to put a dent in the economy? Where would it go and what can we do with it? How will we help to compensate those who are participating?

Most important to any campaign is will this influence a change in future behavior or is it just a feel good campaign that won't affect any change?

For every dollar Black twitter withdraws White twitter will donate two. How do we overcome that?

Stop asking them to "see" us.



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189. "i think the black dollar is very powerful"
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when it comes to consumerism especially...those funds are a different beast altogether

but u make great points...postponing may cause a ripple of panic initially but could simply force them to adapt to our new buying schedule

i agree with that...but maybe the ripple will cause enough of an issue to raise enough panic...im not convinced it will but i can't say for sure



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191. "It's not punishment, it's a return to our core values as a community"
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to protect our youth.

I know the punishment language will come up but we've got to do our best to make it clear we are not punishing our children or ourselves.

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197. "Which are?"
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What are the core values of what community? Who you appeal to depends on who you relate to and who is willing to trust your vision.

How does your vision reflect those values? All black people are not the same and their core values vary.


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200. "Going back centuries, the black community has consistently"
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been about ensuring the future of our youth. Our ancestors fought tooth and nail so that we could enjoy the many things we have today. But that fight is not over if we continuously have to worry about losing those children to the violence plaguing our streets.

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212. "So what are the core values? Are the childless excluded?"
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Your history lesson applies to some, not all and does not explicitly state a core value.

It also does not provide a point of unification.

Who legitimizes the campaign? Who or what group speaks up to steer the conversation about the campaign? Who has the vision of where things should go? Who is the face of the campaign and is willing to have their life scrutinized and judged to on their fitness as a leader?



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232. "Survival through adversity."
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The childless can still be shot. Historically not everyone in the black community has had a child. It takes a village and all of that.

>Your history lesson applies to some, not all and does not
>explicitly state a core value.

Sorry I think we're tangenting though.

>Who legitimizes the campaign?

Preachers. In fact I think they should announce it.

>Who or what group speaks up to
>steer the conversation about the campaign?

Existing national non-profits with regional/local branches.

>Who has the vision
>of where things should go?

We're working it out right now. This is the initial planning committee. Perhaps it nees to become someting more official in a minute but for now this is it.

>Who is the face of the campaign
>and is willing to have their life scrutinized and judged to on
>their fitness as a leader?

Preachers.


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239. "Good luck."
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Right now there are a bunch of brainstormed ideas. Hopefully someone will step into a leadership role and move things forward into an actual campaign.

Regardless, there is a lot that can be learned.

  

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159. "Ok, I'm Joe Blow Postal Worker. I make $35k/yr as a mail clerk"
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I have 2 small children

A boy who is 10 and a daughter who is 5

Because of my limited income, they have 2 special days per year on which they receive the gift(s) they've wanted all year: their respective birthday and Christmas

They never ask for much, but admittedly, what they do ask for is out of my limited budget to give them on a regular basis. I look forward to giving them this special token at the end of each year and of course the joy of Christmas is a hallmark of childhood.

I recently learned, just as the rest of the world did, about what happened with Mike Brown in St. Louis; Eric Garner in NYC; and the young man in NC who was shot down while trying to ask the police for help after a car accident. I am outraged and disgusted about each incident in addition to the countless others. Police Brutality IS an epidemic that disproportionately affects our community and I want to get involved. So much so that after the Mike Brown incident, I donated 5% of my last paycheck to the Brown family through a fundraiser that my local APWU supported.

The killing of unarmed black children/men by police needs to stop. I'm not unwilling to participate in causes that directly affect this end.

But why should I punish my children by canceling their Christmas?
How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas gifts this year?
How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children more on that day or any other day?

If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an impact?

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170. "Psst Abby..."
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Sometimes it's better to watch and hope (pray?) that something is accomplished. Lessons can be learned and maybe some new leaders will be created through the experience.
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398. "Ugh.."
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I mean... is this necessary? Why must you be so fucking self-righteous and condescending?

Ugh. I can't.

  

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175. "Because if we don't get this fixed it could be your child next."
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your husband, your brother, your sister or mother getting punch on the side of the road... and you may really spend a christmas without toys and gifts in a non-symbolic way.
Parents are talking about "having the talk" with their kids about the police and how to stay out of their way and act so they don't get shot. Use canceling christmas to speak not only to your kids, but to the world that your children are valuable and if you have to sacrifice their ability to play a new X-Box to bring attention to it, than it's a small price to pay.

I don't think standing in a national boycott to end police brutality is punishing kids. If anything it's glorifying them.


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177. "please answer each of the questions that I posed"
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176. "That's why it's important to begin now, I agree the kids are hard"
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>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?
>
>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?


We are starting this campaign now so that you can begin having this conversation with your kids (hands you a flyer on how to talk to your kids about it). The thing that we don't want this to become is a punishment for them. And that's why its important that we spread the word that we are doing this in solidarity. All of the black children in your child's school will be participating, and so they will not be singled out like some sort of punishment.

Additionally while we understand the role gifts play in this holiday there are a lot of other components that make it special - time together, the stories, and ability to reflect on the graces that god has given you. The thing that we have to remember is that so many of our community are suffering during this season for the losses they have had to endure from violence. BY standing in solidarity with them who cannot give gifts to their loved ones you are helping to make a statement louder than any donation ever could.

The other thing to understand about the Christmas shopping season is that it is economically based. It is a measured statistic around how much is spent during this time.. Just during this time. By not spending during this period we will be impacting on a national scale. We're asking that you save that money that you would have used for gifts until after this season and then we can again show what our monetary power is in the new year as we celebrate our successes with a Christmas giving for Black History month.

It will not be easy, we know this and that's why we're rallying to get everyone working together. YOur neighbors, the people in your church, the people at your job. This will be the conversation this year so that we don't have to go into the next christmas season wondering how many families suffered from the violence which is tearing our communities apart but rather knowing that the change that needs to happen is happening by our doing.



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180. "please answer the questions that I posed."
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Please stop speaking around my very direct questions, and answer them. You are providing conceptual talking points and not answers. I'm not asking these questions to be a naysayer, but to help us define this cause.

So, again:


>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

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188. "I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em"
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but sure.

>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?

The families of those victimized by police brutality and all of the violence in our community will not be able to buy gifts this season because of their losses. The act is in solidarity with them, knowing that it could be any of us.

>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?

Politicians respond to the economy. By affecting the economy we can force their hand to affect policy changes.

>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>Christmas
>>gifts this year?

Don't tell them they won't be getting christmas gifts this year, but that for our community we are going to be celebrating our gift giving two months later. You can then continue to talk to them about what they want and ensure them that they can still have that but it will be happening later. Depending upon their age you can go into more details about the why. But let them know that it's not just them but the whole of our community doing this and do so early so that they can know that their desires will still be met.

>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>children
>>more on that day or any other day?

Because those are the days that the economy is most critically monitored, and as such the time to make the biggest statement which politicians will here. There is a concise message which we will be sending and if we can all come together to support that, 2015 can be the year that we see legislation in place which protects our kids from this type of violence.


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235. "RE: I started point by point but then went on and thought i covered em"
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>but sure.
>
>>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>
>The families of those victimized by police brutality and all
>of the violence in our community will not be able to buy gifts
>this season because of their losses. The act is in solidarity
>with them, knowing that it could be any of us.

(I will type in all caps--not to yell--but to distinguish my response from the rest of this conversation)

THEY WON'T?? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HAVE THEY INDICATED SUCH?? AND IF SO, WOULDN'T THEY BE BETTER SERVED IF WE DONATED MONEY TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BUY CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR THEIR LOVED ONES RATHER THAN STAND WITH THEM IN SOLIDARITY OF MISERY? IF ANYONE DESERVES JOY DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON, IT'S THESE FAMILIES.
>
>>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>
>Politicians respond to the economy. By affecting the economy
>we can force their hand to affect policy changes.

GIVEN THE LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY IN OUR COMMUNITIES THAT HAVE PLAGUED US FOR GENERATIONS WITH LITTLE RESPONSE FROM OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THIS ASSERTION. NONETHELESS, WOULD NOT THERE NEED TO BE SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS BY RETAILERS IN ORDER TO COMPEL THEM TO ALERT THEIR LOCAL POLITICIANS? AND WHAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT EVEN WITH SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS THEIR COURSE OF ACTION WOULD BE TO CONTACT THEIR POLITICIANS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU HAVE NOT INDICATED A LINK BETWEEN CAUSE AND DESIRED EFFECT. YOU HAVE IMPLIED THAT YOU ARE HOPEFUL THAT THIS MOVEMENT WOULD PROPEL THEM TO SUPPORT ENDING POLICE BRUTALITY, BUT YOU HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK THAT SUGGESTS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THIS COURSE OF ACTION INSTEAD OF A MYRIAD OF OTHER POTENTIAL RESPONSES

>
>>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>>Christmas
>>>gifts this year?
>
>Don't tell them they won't be getting christmas gifts this
>year, but that for our community we are going to be
>celebrating our gift giving two months later. You can then
>continue to talk to them about what they want and ensure them
>that they can still have that but it will be happening later.
>Depending upon their age you can go into more details about
>the why. But let them know that it's not just them but the
>whole of our community doing this and do so early so that they
>can know that their desires will still be met.

BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE OF THEIR COMMUNITY WILL CANCEL CHRISTMAS. RESEARCH FROM BUYCOTT INC. INDICATES THAT ONLY 7% OF CONSUMERS PARTICIPATE IN SUCH CAMPAIGNS. AS SUCH, IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT MY CHILDREN WILL BE AMONG ONLY A FEW CHILDREN WHO DO NOT RECEIVE GIFTS FOR CHRISTMAS. BUT EVEN IF I DID BELIEVE "THE WHOE OF MY COMMUNITY" WOULD PARTICIPATE, IF ONLY 60 DAYS LATER I AM TO PURCHASE WHAT I WOULD HAVE PURCHASED FOR CHRISTMAS WITH THESE SAME RETAILERS, DO I REALLY HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR BOTTOMLINE?

>
>>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>>children
>>>more on that day or any other day?
>
>Because those are the days that the economy is most critically
>monitored, and as such the time to make the biggest statement
>which politicians will here. There is a concise message which
>we will be sending and if we can all come together to support
>that, 2015 can be the year that we see legislation in place
>which protects our kids from this type of violence.
>

I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON IS A SIGNIFICANT INDICATOR FOR THE ECONOMY. RETAIL SALES ACCOUNT FOR 19% OF ANNUAL SALES FOR RETAILERS. BUT YOU HAVE STILL NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK BETWEEN RETAIL SALES AND POLICE BRUTALITY. HOW DOES NOT PATRONIZING THEM KEEP MY CHILD ALIVE ON THIS DAY OR ANY OTHER DAY? ALSO, EVEN IF I AM TO BELIEVE THAT HITTING RETAILERS IN THE POCKET MIGHT INFLUENCE THEIR SUPPORT AGAINST POLICE BRUTALITY, DOES IT ALSO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY PERSONAL ECONOMY AS WELL AS THAT OF MY LOCAL COMMUNITY?

A CONSISTENT THEME IN MY COMMUNITY IS UNEMPLOYMENT AND IT AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. IN THE U.S., 720,000 SEASONAL EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED SPECIFICALLY TO TEND TO THE HOLIDAY RUSH. THESE HIREES ARE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, LOW WAGE WORKERS FROM MINORITY COMMUNITIES. IF I SUPPORT BOYCOTTING THE BUYING SEASON, DOES THIS EFFORT NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM MY COMMUNITY AND MONEY OUT OF MY AND/OR MY NEIGHBORS' HOMES?

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>THEY WON'T?? HOW DO WE KNOW THIS? HAVE THEY INDICATED SUCH??
>AND IF SO, WOULDN'T THEY BE BETTER SERVED IF WE DONATED MONEY
>TO THEM SO THAT THEY CAN BUY CHRISTMAS GIFTS FOR THEIR LOVED
>ONES RATHER THAN STAND WITH THEM IN SOLIDARITY OF MISERY? IF
>ANYONE DESERVES JOY DURING THIS CHRISTMAS SEASON, IT'S THESE
>FAMILIES.

The families would have to be contacted and brought into the movement beforehand so that the answer to the first question is yes.

>GIVEN THE LACK OF RESPONSE TO THE ECONOMY IN OUR COMMUNITIES
>THAT HAVE PLAGUED US FOR GENERATIONS WITH LITTLE RESPONSE FROM
>OUR ELECTED OFFICIALS, I QUESTION THE VALIDITY OF THIS
>ASSERTION. NONETHELESS, WOULD NOT THERE NEED TO BE SIGNIFICANT
>PROFIT LOSS BY RETAILERS IN ORDER TO COMPEL THEM TO ALERT
>THEIR LOCAL POLITICIANS? AND WHAT LEADS YOU TO BELIEVE THAT
>EVEN WITH SIGNIFICANT PROFIT LOSS THEIR COURSE OF ACTION WOULD
>BE TO CONTACT THEIR POLITICIANS ABOUT POLICE BRUTALITY. YOU
>HAVE NOT INDICATED A LINK BETWEEN CAUSE AND DESIRED EFFECT.
>YOU HAVE IMPLIED THAT YOU ARE HOPEFUL THAT THIS MOVEMENT WOULD
>PROPEL THEM TO SUPPORT ENDING POLICE BRUTALITY, BUT YOU HAVE
>NOT IDENTIFIED A LINK THAT SUGGESTS THAT THEY WOULD TAKE THIS
>COURSE OF ACTION INSTEAD OF A MYRIAD OF OTHER POTENTIAL
>RESPONSES

First it's not the singular issue of police brutality but ensuring the safe environment for ourselves and our children without the fear of violence, including those sworn to serve and protect.

I actually don't think it's so much about getting the retailers to speak to the politicians. With any luck some politicians (congressional black caucus) will already be on board. The numbers will speak for themselves and it will be the messaging during the time which we will keep strong for the duration which will force the hand. The numbers are just an indication of our resolve. So with local leaders and politicians supporting the cause the legislation can be introduced and with the strength of our voices the politicians would be compelled to address.

And again with it being an election year, by starting early we can put this messaging on the platforms of those local officials that are running for office. It should be a part of every local debate for an office that contributes to the underlying policies that create these adverse circumstances for our youth.

>BUT I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT THE WHOLE OF THEIR COMMUNITY WILL
>CANCEL CHRISTMAS. RESEARCH FROM BUYCOTT INC. INDICATES THAT
>ONLY 7% OF CONSUMERS PARTICIPATE IN SUCH CAMPAIGNS. AS SUCH,
>IT'S MORE LIKELY THAT MY CHILDREN WILL BE AMONG ONLY A FEW
>CHILDREN WHO DO NOT RECEIVE GIFTS FOR CHRISTMAS. BUT EVEN IF
>I DID BELIEVE "THE WHOE OF MY COMMUNITY" WOULD PARTICIPATE, IF
>ONLY 60 DAYS LATER I AM TO PURCHASE WHAT I WOULD HAVE
>PURCHASED FOR CHRISTMAS WITH THESE SAME RETAILERS, DO I REALLY
>HAVE AN IMPACT ON THEIR BOTTOMLINE?

Ultimately we are not trying to punish retailers (folk in here may not agree with me on this but I think its an important point). We are trying to provide a quantifiable statistic about how this affects not just our community but our whole nation. In fact I would love to start early enough that the retailers themselves can join the movement, because it affects their employees and as such should affect them. This isn't just our issue it is an issue for this whole country and so we should all be standing in solidarity to impact the change needed, so that thigns can return to business as usual but with the knowledge that we have protected our youth.

>I UNDERSTAND THAT THE HOLIDAY SEASON IS A SIGNIFICANT
>INDICATOR FOR THE ECONOMY. RETAIL SALES ACCOUNT FOR 19% OF
>ANNUAL SALES FOR RETAILERS. BUT YOU HAVE STILL NOT IDENTIFIED
>A LINK BETWEEN RETAIL SALES AND POLICE BRUTALITY. HOW DOES NOT
>PATRONIZING THEM KEEP MY CHILD ALIVE ON THIS DAY OR ANY OTHER
>DAY?

Your child's life will be more secure if we can get our policy makers to enact the legislation we are pushing for which ensures they have the opportunities to escape the cycle of violence which is ravishing our community. It's not just the action, but the message behind the action.

> ALSO, EVEN IF I AM TO BELIEVE THAT HITTING RETAILERS IN
>THE POCKET MIGHT INFLUENCE THEIR SUPPORT AGAINST POLICE
>BRUTALITY, DOES IT ALSO NOT NEGATIVELY AFFECT MY PERSONAL
>ECONOMY AS WELL AS THAT OF MY LOCAL COMMUNITY?
>
>A CONSISTENT THEME IN MY COMMUNITY IS UNEMPLOYMENT AND IT
>AFFECTS THE ABILITY OF MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY TO PROVIDE FOR
>THEMSELVES AND THEIR FAMILIES. IN THE U.S., 720,000 SEASONAL
>EMPLOYEES ARE HIRED SPECIFICALLY TO TEND TO THE HOLIDAY RUSH.
>THESE HIREES ARE MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, LOW WAGE WORKERS FROM
>MINORITY COMMUNITIES. IF I SUPPORT BOYCOTTING THE BUYING
>SEASON, DOES THIS EFFORT NOT TAKE JOBS AWAY FROM MY COMMUNITY
>AND MONEY OUT OF MY AND/OR MY NEIGHBORS' HOMES?

This is a very real concern which I've been thinking about and needs to be discussed further, but I think we can work through the answers to address those concerns. HOpefully we could get some retailers on board. Its also reasonable to assume they wouldn't and as such would still need to hire and pay those people, it's just they wouldn't see the returns they hoped for. But with their cooperation they could see the ROI come black history month.

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251. "i wish you all well."
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sounds like you all have a lot of work to do.

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>>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?

someone stated above that the message can speak to the fact that those who have lost a loved with to police brutality will not have the luxury of exchanging gifts with their loved ones. we stand with them in solidarity and ackowledgement of what has happened to them.

>>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?

spades gave a good response to that above: see #140

>>What do I tell my children about why they won't get
>Christmas
>>gifts this year?

see my first reply

>>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my
>children
>>more on that day or any other day?
>

it continues to put pressure on decision makers to address police brutality in our community. obviously once we really have the demands down we can speak to that as well.

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and making it something they know they are participating in for 'the boys who can't have Christmas this year'.

maybe every day leading up to it, people can host parties and game nights with desserts and fun activities for the kids particpating.

  

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193. "Here's your answer."
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>>
>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?
>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

One, change your perspective. Take this as an opportunity to educate your children. Also, research shows that ppl are MOST happy w/experiences as opposed to things. Maybe try to find a way to give them a fun experience. Lastly, we're boycotting major business and chain stores restaurants. Perhaps you can take your child to local (preferably black owned) business for their gifts.
>
>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?
>
Actually, you will - the stores margin will basically be gone at that point. They're just trying to get rid of inventory at that point. They make almost no money from those.

Ok, We all know the corps have bought our democracy. How many times have politicians flouted the ppl's will - Iraq war/No public option/corporations are ppl.

They are obviously no longer responding to us. They WILL respond to their political donors. So we inflict pain upon them, in order to get them to impress upon the politicians they've so meticulously purchased just how bad for business, the militarization and public inaccountability, is.

That's the gist. Although, as I see it, We're going to have to cancel a few more holidays to get this done.

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241. "this is the beginning of some good answers. i still do not see a "
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direct tie of retail consumption to police brutality, or how a Christmas boycott would compel retailers to work to end police brutality, but at least you have provided some cogent thoughts.

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252. "Corporations are profit machines. THIS is why they've bought congress."
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It's good for business. If we hurt their pockets and tell them, we are doing this because our politicians listen to you more than us, so you go take our demands to them or we will KEEP hurting you. THAT'S the purpose of a boycott.

Make sense?

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256. "imcvspl just said that that's NOT the purpose."
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so, again, i wish you all well as you figure out what this movement is supposed to actually be about.

not only will you need a clear focus, but also a clear voice.

peace.

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257. "we're still talking rather than rushing to try to do"
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and doing it wrong.

the focus will come if the conversation continues. i hope you keep asking the hard questions because they too help arrive at that focus.

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258. "my thoughts on not trying to force corporate hands"
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As best we can to frame this in a viable way we've got to avoid negativity towards anyone. We've got to impart a message of cooperation. This is something which affects the entire nation and so all should be in support of it, including the retail stores.

This cannot be about my (our) personal dislike of the corporate structures and how they affect the economy because that becomes a distraction. We don't wnat this to turn into a debate about supporting the economy. So before it gets to that we've got to offer ways that these corporate structures can support our cause.

Indicating that we will be holding christmas later and that they will be able to recoup the losses in the next fiscal cycle is important to not trying to demonize them in the process.

We don't even want to demonize the politicians despite their inaction to this point. Again why I would want to get teh congressional black caucus on board. Everyone can join this in solidarity as everyone has a role to play in it. The legislation put forward from this could provide the education and training that puts our youth in the jobs these places provide at living wages instead of at risk for violence in their communities. We are their employment base and so they should want to support us.

ONce we start making folk enemies the us vs them aspect of it spins the focus away.

Now this isn't to say everyone will get on board sure many won't but our actions will show the conviction and they will be affected indicating they need to work with us and lawmakers to find the solutions.


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264. "It's not antipathy, its about accountability."
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The corps are merely the lever we're going to use to move the politicians.

It ain't personal, they're the button we're pushing to get the desired result.

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268. "Strategically yes, we just don't have to make it a bullet point"
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We can make the message a tad less Occupy Militant.

I'm totally down w/that.

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274. "I don't think enough has been said about our PAIN"
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I've heard a lot of talk about a "United" states and that we're an "american family" but when a family member is in distress the whole family is in distress.

This has been framed as a "those people over there" issue and many family members are pretending that it doesn't exist and going on with their lives. I liken it to someone being raped by a family member, everybody acting like shit is all good and then inviting the victim to christmas dinner with the rapist present.

There's no christmas for victims. Abby talked about those families deserving christmas, but no. What they/we need is recognition of the trauma endured and caring for those wounds. Eric Garner won't see another christmas. Lesley Mcspadden is going to have the worst holiday of her life.

The show must NOT go on. Our family can decide to stand in solidarity with us or party on like clive davis did at least they will still feel some semblance of what we feel.

  

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207. "Sorry. Actually they are helpful questions to think about. "
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>I have 2 small children
>
>A boy who is 10 and a daughter who is 5
>
>Because of my limited income, they have 2 special days per
>year on which they receive the gift(s) they've wanted all
>year: their respective birthday and Christmas
>
>They never ask for much, but admittedly, what they do ask for
>is out of my limited budget to give them on a regular basis. I
>look forward to giving them this special token at the end of
>each year and of course the joy of Christmas is a hallmark of
>childhood.
>
>I recently learned, just as the rest of the world did, about
>what happened with Mike Brown in St. Louis; Eric Garner in
>NYC; and the young man in NC who was shot down while trying to
>ask the police for help after a car accident. I am outraged
>and disgusted about each incident in addition to the countless
>others. Police Brutality IS an epidemic that
>disproportionately affects our community and I want to get
>involved. So much so that after the Mike Brown incident, I
>donated 5% of my last paycheck to the Brown family through a
>fundraiser that my local APWU supported.
>
>The killing of unarmed black children/men by police needs to
>stop. I'm not unwilling to participate in causes that directly
>affect this end.
>
>But why should I punish my children by canceling their
>Christmas?
It's not punishing your children. Teacher your children how to effect change by organizing and collectively participating to change the world we live in is actually enriching your kids. Show them that there are causes more important than clothing, games and toys.


>How are their Christmas gifts tied to police brutality?
See my other reply.


>How does a boycott of retailers affect policing change?
We have to gather support among economic engine of this country to affect change. Christmas accounts for the majority of consumer sales during a fiscal year. When retailers feel they pinch in their pockets from christmas sales, which can account for up to 50% of their yearly sales, we can implore them to contact local, state and national politicians about how police violence is not just hurting Blacks but also hurting their bottom line. When you call your state senator its one thing, but when Target, Toys R Us and Walmart say, "we're loosing money due to police brutality" Politicians that were once death now listen.

We can also ask that stores stand along side us and make a public stand against police brutality in their commercial and other marketing tools similar to they way they do with breast cancer, ALS and other causes to keep it a national topic of conversation.


>What do I tell my children about why they won't get Christmas
>gifts this year?

Having a conversation with kids that are very young can be tough. Explain to them the reason we are not having christmas is not because they've done anything bad but because some people, including kids are not having christmas because of police violence in our community, so we are standing with those kids and adults so no family will have to suffer a christmas without their child due to police brutality. Also, kids can participate in a list of alternatives to gift giving such as facebook challenges, protest marches, letter writing campaigns etc. so they ARE doing something for christmas but not giving or receiving gifts.

>How does me canceling Christmas save the lives of my children
>more on that day or any other day?

Christmas is more that one day. In the months running up to christmas most people purchase more items for Christmas than they do all year. The average Christmas shopper spends anywhere from$600-$1000 on gifts during Christmas. From office parties, to family and friends. Everyone gets a gift. Christmas is the economic engine of the country and we have to hit them where it hurts to make our voices heard.


>If I don't buy them Christmas gifts, but take advantage of all
>of the New Year sales to get their gifts, do I still have an
>impact?
>

We would ask that no one replace the items that would have normally been purchased for christmas. Boycotts are only effective if they don't end before the goals are reached. So purchasing on new years wouldn't would negate the purpose because retailers would still get your money. When legislation is passed or reform is purposed then buy all you want.

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Not bad at all


does it really matter?

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171. "cool. will update with "your""
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i also like "the perfect victim" campaign mentioned

maybe we can get tlynnfaz involved

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262. "wow.. well done"
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453. "another i'd suggest- "b/c our kids might not be here for Christmas""
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then pics of Mike brown, trayvon, lawrence ferrell, garner, oscar grant, etc

then "Economic buycott Nov 23-Jan 15"


also the cancelchristmas hashtag is jarring, gets attention, but is maybe too far left to go viral

another hashtag could be something worded differently but with the same intent... like #nojusticenospending , #nojusticenoreceipts or similar

to zero in on what and why







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119. "How is it possible not to buy food at least, unless yall fast?"
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122. "Pretty sure it was established food is a go"
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127. "We're talking Christmas gifts. "
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When parents threaten to cancel christmas for their kids it's about them not receiving gifts.
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138. "Oh, I was responding to the OP's original proposal of Sept 8"
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121. "people always want this nationwide shit."
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it's not happening. it never happened. one of my friends tagged me in some sh!t about "brown bag monday" that was supposed to be yesterday. nigga that shit is not being organized through facebook. stop it.

the montgomery bus boycott happened in one city of 130,000 people (at the time). and the shit was super, hyper-organized by local people. i say this all the time on my facebook and in other places: change happens locally. might be *supported* nationally....but it happens locally.

and people don't get that.

after trayvon martin happened, one of my friends wanted to pull together a bunch of folks to see what we could do in our area. come to find out, *his state rep* was one of the ones leading the charge on passing this state's version of a "stand your ground" law. i told him, hey we should maybe focus on that and her. heard nothing back from him. but he likes to post on facebook about how fed up he is with what's going on in the world. love the guy but i don't have the time for it.

i support the folks in ferguson working for change in the city, the county and the state. and i'm looking to see what needs to happen 'round my way.

don't get me wrong, some stuff can only happen on a federal level. related to this case, i'd think of ending police militarization and better DOJ investigation of corrupt police departments. even then, part of what has to happen is mobilizing one's own political leaders.

but mostly: what's happening in your hood? who's holding those cops accountable? the schools? the elected officials? shoot, if you want to boycott, who are the big donors to your local officials? who can you hit that will really feel it, and whom you can touch in a sustained manner over time?

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126. "This is a show of force"
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It won't happen in a vacuum and it definitely won't happen without local organization.

It will happen in conjunction with what is already being organized. Most importantly it is not just a ferguson issue.




  

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129. "Exactly."
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People who are ineffective in their own communities are rarely effective outside of them. The other thing is that trying to "go viral" rarely results in going viral.

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131. "It's a nationwide issue that affects everyone locally"
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I generally agree with you but one of the reasons local organizing is so challenging is the appearance of it happening in a vacuum. Ultimately you'll see that a lot of what I'm talking about is about organizing locally supported by the solidarity that there are other communities doing the same.

Also there is national legislature that could go a long way to supporting the local causes, and when it becomes a national issue the hand is forced for the local representatives to take action, which if folk utilize the time to organize locally could be an affective way of ensuring the change that is needed happens.

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136. ""It's a nationwide issue" <--What is "it," though?"
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And I'm not being snide or snarky. Police brutality? Police militarization? Broader issues of inequality and segregation?

Police brutality...is not really an issue that can be addressed by Congress. Certainly not *this* Congress. It has to be addressed at the local and state levels. Even if you decide to sue your local PD...the specifics have to bubble up locally.

Police militarization...sure. That's a national issue. The President just ordered a review of the program that supplies PD's with miiitary equipment. There will be Congressional hearings and possibly bipartisan pressure to end the practice. That's definitely something that people can organize around nationally. But what about the existing hardware? Do you want the feds to require them to return or destroy the equipment? Does your local PD have tanks?

Broader issues of inequality and segregation....I guess you can raise awareness through a general boycott. To what end though?

I actually think what people are proposing above about "Our kids might not be here at Christmas" is emotionally resonant. But I'm extremely skeptical that you could get folks involved in that without some clear goals. Otherwise they will just change their FB profile pics and KIM.

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141. "I think what your missing is "
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that we are trying to find the goals here in this post. No one is claiming to have them all set and ready to go locked solid. Nothing starts like that.
If you have some ideas that might add to goals to achieve then share them.
This could be a brainstorming post instead of a this won't work post.
What are some local ways that people can effect change, throw up some cities so people from there can have conversations about their local areas. What do you see is effective where you are. What are some definitive goals we should be looking to achieve in your opinion and how do we achieve them with out speaking broadly?

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148. "same things i said in my initial reply:"
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what's happening in your hood?
who's holding those cops accountable?
the schools?
the elected officials?
shoot, if you want to boycott, who are the big donors to your local officials?
who can you hit that will really feel it, and whom you can touch in a sustained manner over time?

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