>>'but what will i tell my kids??'
>>then this whole thing is an uphill battle already
>
>which is why we're having the conversation now about how to
>address that. saying forget about you, you ain't down for the
>struggle, isn't the way.

i don't SAY forget about you. i just move and converse with ppl who share similar ideas with me already.


>>i usually don't fk with boycotts in general bc of what was
>>explained at the beginning of this post
>>folks boycott for whatever amount of time then its right
>back
>
>that's why it's important to understand the purpose. this
>again is why i suggested we push it to black history month so
>that it's two actions both of which emphasize our cause. it
>provides a way for people who might not otherwise be down to
>participate, without completely disregarding their own
>traditions. also an uptick in sales for black history month
>is itself another statement. and if we emphasize the black
>businesses at that time all the better.

cool and as you can see i'm not against any of that. my only point of contention was with the whole 'don't ruin christmas for your little cause' or whatever. the struggle involves our children for the ppl who don't recognize that, i personally am not the one to explain it to them.

>>ppl not willing to put consumerism aside for a shot at some
>>tangible change are the problem
>>and i'm not sure i feel like dealing with that problem.
>
>you may not have to, but some of us will if we are to form the
>types of coalitions that will enact the change we desire.

which is why i said good luck with that.

>>back to dealing with likeminded ppl
>>imo its too late to be trying to convince the whole of
>>everybody how real shit is
>>you either get it or you don't
>
>they are getting it but they want to know what they can do
>from where they are. we have to give them that option.

my thing is you and others are saying 'its not about consumerism' except it completely is.
cancelling xmas from what i understand means not buying gifts or spending money with big corps for xmas. the option is join the boycott and don't spend that money or have the
xmas you wanted to have by spending that money.


>>you either on board or you not
>
>we want them on board so we have to provide a way for them to
>be not an easy way for them to dismiss it.

you want as many ppl on board as possible
but its way more ppl waiting on jesus to fix it than there are ppl willing to not buy gifts for their kids for xmas. the man who made this post is letting us know that below.
personally i rather keep on my path than get my pressure up trying to convince ppl they
shouldn't buy gifts for anyone this xmas.

>>if you rather buy gifts for your kids than participate then
>>enjoy your xmas
>>i'll go back to how i was approaching shit.
>>
>>ppl aren't gonna know how serious shit is until we don't
>even
>>have the option to buy gifts.
>
>it's serious now. this is serious. real talk i don't
>celebrate christmas with my kids. my kids know this and know
>why. they also know that their aunts and uncles do and come
>to appreciate that time of year. so i've had these
>discussions before, i know how it goes, and if we don't
>account for them we end up mad at our own people for not
>getting on board rather than staying focused on the task at
>hand with them. through this their eyes can open up but only
>if we can get them involved.

it is serious now. ppl won't recognize HOW serious it is until they don't have all the cushy distractions we have to help us forget. and i'm not mad at ppl who know not what they do.
the 85 is gonna 85.