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"Jaguar Wright..."


  

          

She talks about first and second hand accounts of Malik B's relationship with the group, and her reasons for falling out with them and associates. As well as plenty more from the Neo-Soul era.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDTq_eHFNyS/?igshid=914io6oqjpuj

  

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Sheesh
Aug 01st 2020
1
with more kettles simmering
Aug 01st 2020
2
Furniture was thrown
Aug 01st 2020
5
Yikes!!! Triple Barrows!!!!!! This is the epitome of NAME NAMES!
Aug 01st 2020
3
NIGGA!!! ALL THE NAMES!!! ALL.OF.THEM
Aug 06th 2020
370
I was just here to see if it made the boards....
Aug 01st 2020
4
same
Aug 01st 2020
14
Came back after 20 years to see the same thing hahaha
Aug 05th 2020
296
Me as well
Aug 14th 2020
453
She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did.
Aug 01st 2020
6
If we gonna tell it
Aug 01st 2020
8
as usual, you dont know what you're talking about
Aug 01st 2020
13
No I do. I was there too.
Aug 01st 2020
15
      this board was a very niche place
Aug 01st 2020
16
           Glad to see some things will never change.
Aug 01st 2020
19
                Black Lilly started the late summer after this place begun that spring
Aug 01st 2020
20
                     The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you.
Aug 01st 2020
21
                          sir, your opening was "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did"
Aug 01st 2020
22
                          Wtf are you the okp police? Hold your kids accountable
Aug 01st 2020
23
                               Come on men...
Aug 01st 2020
29
                               keep being a clown, dont let me stop you
Aug 01st 2020
30
                          RE: The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you.
Aug 01st 2020
35
PREACH!
Aug 04th 2020
256
Well.. she hasn’t changed. lol
Aug 01st 2020
7
Yep
Aug 01st 2020
27
what she need to change for?
Aug 01st 2020
33
      Who said she needed to change?
Aug 01st 2020
36
           she's always felt betrayed by her circle?
Aug 02nd 2020
53
                No, she’s always been aggressively honest in delivery.
Aug 02nd 2020
55
Anyone have a recap?
Aug 01st 2020
9
It’s long but it’s not boring
Aug 01st 2020
11
Damn
Aug 01st 2020
10
RE: I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her
Aug 01st 2020
24
I’m not knocking her at all
Aug 01st 2020
32
She's been chewed up and spit out
Aug 01st 2020
26
      I don’t disagree
Aug 01st 2020
34
I hope we treat this with care, at least those of us who were around
Aug 01st 2020
12
No one is laughing at her, it's an exposé.
Aug 01st 2020
25
Exactly...thank you for saying this
Aug 01st 2020
31
People are doing too much gleeful co-signing about all this
Aug 02nd 2020
62
      my guy Steve!
Aug 03rd 2020
82
not like this
Aug 01st 2020
17
^
Aug 01st 2020
18
Exactly what I thought, reading that 'tribute' on the homepage.
Aug 01st 2020
28
      pretty much.
Aug 03rd 2020
95
      Damn, I just checked and it's not even
Aug 12th 2020
441
damn.... so sad to hear.
Aug 01st 2020
37
Wooo chile Jag sounds bitter as hell.
Aug 01st 2020
38
Yeah.. that’s a tough one.
Aug 01st 2020
39
but....y'all want to know ALLLLL the dirt on anybody else y'all down for...
Aug 01st 2020
40
Haha.. HS was tho? That’s too much
Aug 01st 2020
41
Because she makes it seem like everyone has the problems except her
Aug 02nd 2020
56
So the fuck what? She has every right to be bitter.
Aug 01st 2020
43
Exactly. Bitterness does not invalidate a person.
Aug 03rd 2020
76
      yea. All the insults set me aback but like you said, I get it.
Aug 03rd 2020
77
We as black women need to stop referring to other black women as
Aug 01st 2020
46
      THIS.
Aug 03rd 2020
85
Came to see if this place had gotten wind of this yet
Aug 01st 2020
42
Questlove’s words were mad corny
Aug 01st 2020
48
Sole arbiter is putting too much on it
Aug 02nd 2020
52
      The bulk of The Roots success was the live show
Aug 02nd 2020
54
           I think that's exactly what it was. The Roots formula for success was
Aug 02nd 2020
61
           They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot
Aug 04th 2020
160
                RE: They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot
Aug 04th 2020
161
Unfortunately, it's getting... more and more messy by the hour. Sigh
Aug 01st 2020
44
i have a feeling things are gonna get worse. Knuckles & Hubb
Aug 01st 2020
49
I just got to the part where she drags Girls High and Central into it.
Aug 01st 2020
45
I didnt hear that part...what did she say about Girls High?
Aug 02nd 2020
71
That was a lot...and seems more hurt than anything
Aug 01st 2020
47
..
Aug 01st 2020
50
This is very depressing and messy
Aug 02nd 2020
51
Everything she's saying is plausible.
Aug 02nd 2020
57
So is 'Riq about to be cancelled?
Aug 02nd 2020
58
It seemed to me that she was referencing cheating
Aug 02nd 2020
59
      I heard it as an assaulty/rapey thing.
Aug 02nd 2020
60
      I'm 12 min. into today's live and she all but said Flo Brown was raped
Aug 02nd 2020
64
      Latest video she's speaks on trying to talk Flo out of going to the poli...
Aug 02nd 2020
70
She went live again today. I wish someone would reach out to her
Aug 02nd 2020
63
Today she said Common sexually assaulted her.
Aug 02nd 2020
65
Yep. It's getting worse.
Aug 02nd 2020
66
I believe every word she's saying in the accusations.
Aug 02nd 2020
67
I believe her too. nm
Aug 02nd 2020
69
"She wants to put them out of business"
Aug 02nd 2020
68
My goodness
Aug 02nd 2020
73
Her dating 60 Second Assassin to keep dudes off her
Aug 03rd 2020
81
I support her 100% and I believe her.
Aug 02nd 2020
72
So dang near everybody is cancelled now, right?
Aug 02nd 2020
74
what attention are you seeking by asking this question twice?
Aug 03rd 2020
80
      If what she says is true and Rashid and Tariq assaulted or misconducted ...
Aug 03rd 2020
83
           My EXACT dilemma/question. Where is this going? What do we do?
Aug 03rd 2020
84
                it's a personal choice tho right?
Aug 03rd 2020
86
                     Yeah, I guess it is a choice, and I get you...
Aug 03rd 2020
116
                          wait lemme clarify myself about that "noble ones" comment
Aug 03rd 2020
156
                               hope you find peace with the situation. seems to be hitting you hard.
Aug 04th 2020
170
                                    Thank you. Yeah i found these kneegrows at 15yo, hard times
Aug 04th 2020
178
damn
Aug 03rd 2020
75
"oils....fucking OILS!?!?!"
Aug 03rd 2020
78
That shit was foul as hell
Aug 03rd 2020
79
What 15 actually said:
Aug 03rd 2020
87
      fyi the last part is missing; I saw it before it got pushed down.
Aug 03rd 2020
99
      Ok. Never saw this last part
Aug 03rd 2020
100
      I don't have any issues with. Or understand people who do
Aug 03rd 2020
104
           her expectation and mine was that Malik B would get a more
Aug 03rd 2020
107
           It's really none of our business what he chooses to share in public
Aug 03rd 2020
108
                Grief critiquing is certainly strange, to me.
Aug 03rd 2020
109
                It's such an entitled position for people to take
Aug 03rd 2020
123
                that's cool for you
Aug 03rd 2020
112
                fair, but remember the odes he penned when J Dilla died?
Aug 03rd 2020
121
                     Different people and different relationships.
Aug 03rd 2020
125
                     He didn’t honor Malik while he was alive either tho?
Aug 04th 2020
163
                     Cam, these people just want to argue...
Aug 03rd 2020
127
                          ALL OF THIS. Yes. EXACTLY! </3 Mallik B.
Aug 03rd 2020
128
                          You're right
Aug 03rd 2020
135
                               I think it's pretty disgusting that you all will Judge they way people c...
Aug 04th 2020
191
                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that you're pretending
Aug 04th 2020
237
                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that
Aug 04th 2020
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                                    I think it's pretty disgusting that
Aug 04th 2020
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                                    god damn right, buddy...
Aug 04th 2020
245
           THIS. Anyone beefing with how Quest has chosen to remember his...
Aug 04th 2020
208
                His poor feelings. You remember how his alias came to be?
Aug 04th 2020
246
                     this shit just dont sit right with me right now.
Aug 05th 2020
275
                     Damn that's deeply, deeply fucked up.
Aug 05th 2020
276
                     : (
Aug 05th 2020
277
                     I never knew this all these years. That motherfucker.
Aug 05th 2020
284
                     wow
Aug 05th 2020
286
                     this is what I alluded to below
Aug 05th 2020
287
                     the fuck does that have to do with how he remembers Malik B?
Aug 05th 2020
301
                     Stanley, ask yourself.
Aug 05th 2020
308
                          Stanley, don't be obtuse.
Aug 05th 2020
312
                               K
Aug 05th 2020
316
                     ?uest has always been wack as fuck though
Aug 05th 2020
302
                     Wow I never knew the history of it....
Aug 05th 2020
313
                     So the toxic moderation comes from the top down
Aug 05th 2020
318
                     Never knew this. Wow. Anyone remember what she said?
Aug 08th 2020
394
"Booty" being about Jaguar and Common is fascinating to me.
Aug 03rd 2020
88
my eyes and mouth wide open right now..
Aug 03rd 2020
89
LOL same. I didn't even see it all but just reading about all this.
Aug 03rd 2020
90
not shock or stunned about this
Aug 03rd 2020
91
Golden Boys hits different now.
Aug 03rd 2020
92
RE: Golden Boys hits different now.
Aug 03rd 2020
96
I hate gossiping but for correction's sake, Golden Boys is about Mos Def
Aug 03rd 2020
97
      yes, i was aware of that already
Aug 03rd 2020
157
Did they ?
Aug 03rd 2020
94
      song Golden Boys written by Santigold and sung by Res
Aug 03rd 2020
101
      Have you heard Golden Boy by Res?
Aug 03rd 2020
102
      I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago
Aug 03rd 2020
114
      I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago
Aug 03rd 2020
115
Sounds like years
Aug 03rd 2020
93
Sad but not surprising.
Aug 03rd 2020
98
This is worse than I thought it'd be.
Aug 03rd 2020
103
so bad. i'm like you..i was 20 min in looking like theres 30 fkn min LEF...
Aug 03rd 2020
119
Yea agree here entirely.
Aug 03rd 2020
122
A sister on Twitter talked about how
Aug 03rd 2020
105
lets say if Flo Brown does validate what JW has mentioned on IG
Aug 03rd 2020
113
      Who are you? nm
Aug 03rd 2020
124
im surprised ...but "conscious" men are still men
Aug 03rd 2020
106
If it's rape, its not "liking pussy like the rest of us".
Aug 03rd 2020
110
i never said it wasnt.
Aug 03rd 2020
117
i'm a man. youre a man. you nor i aint sexually assaulted nobody
Aug 03rd 2020
120
Listening to Unplugged
Aug 03rd 2020
111
She KILLED it on Heart of the City
Aug 03rd 2020
154
where can I watch this?
Aug 14th 2020
449
why would anyone doubt her statements
Aug 03rd 2020
118
Are people doubting it?
Aug 03rd 2020
126
ehhh. I've seen comments about her being an "opportunist"
Aug 03rd 2020
129
      I mean, I'm sure that's part of this.
Aug 03rd 2020
130
      Won't call her an opportunist, but this doesn't honor Malik's memory
Aug 03rd 2020
131
           Unfortunately there is truth in this
Aug 03rd 2020
132
           Yeah this is where I'm at with it. It would be one thing if she kept it
Aug 03rd 2020
136
           she's grieving on multiple fronts simultaneously
Aug 03rd 2020
138
           lmk when one of your friends dies
Aug 03rd 2020
143
           As a matter of fact I recently lost a friend. Go ahead.
Aug 03rd 2020
144
           I wouldn't do that. We have very different morals and ethics.
Aug 03rd 2020
146
                This ain't about us fam, nor morals, nor ethics.
Aug 03rd 2020
149
                     I know you have to lie to yourself about the person you are.
Aug 03rd 2020
151
           but:
Aug 04th 2020
175
                You lack understanding of nuance
Aug 04th 2020
184
                     You contradicted your point about grief critiquing.
Aug 08th 2020
395
           Maybe his death triggered all this... maybe she can't help it
Aug 03rd 2020
145
           Thank you for putting this into words
Aug 03rd 2020
147
                it's dismissive and also some bullshit, so don't feel bad
Aug 03rd 2020
148
its not about doubting her - its more like...ok and?
Aug 03rd 2020
133
      She said that Common sexually assaulted her...wtf y’all?
Aug 03rd 2020
137
      the majority of it WAS 'ok and?'
Aug 03rd 2020
139
           Which part are you saying is imagined?
Aug 03rd 2020
141
                the outsized role she thinks she played in OKP
Aug 04th 2020
164
      i think that post got deleted. and 'okay...and' is insulting
Aug 03rd 2020
140
      It's more than just shitty business practices and adultery
Aug 03rd 2020
142
      "letting folks die"
Aug 04th 2020
166
      ok. so you've been a part of this community for years
Aug 03rd 2020
155
           its the music man
Aug 04th 2020
165
                if not being worth a damn is what's normal to you
Aug 04th 2020
222
                     well as ive said repeatedly in here
Aug 04th 2020
226
black women of the early 2000s
Aug 03rd 2020
134
it's getting bad
Aug 03rd 2020
150
you can say that again
Aug 03rd 2020
153
same.
Aug 03rd 2020
158
"the tea is hot" responses on twitter are very distasteful n/m
Aug 04th 2020
159
what is deleting your account gonna do?
Aug 04th 2020
168
      it would be a compromise of my integrity to continue posting
Aug 04th 2020
173
           makes sense. ty for answering
Aug 04th 2020
174
After Watching All Three Long Videos Of Her Expose Info
Aug 03rd 2020
152
The comment section underneath the video tho WOW
Aug 04th 2020
162
has ANYBODY responded? link it if so.
Aug 04th 2020
167
Com was on IG live yesterday
Aug 07th 2020
386
Reminds me of a Jay line on Flux Capacitor
Aug 04th 2020
169
That’s a funny line coming from a guy who made a living quoting BIG
Aug 04th 2020
171
Well yeah.. Jay is far from perfect. lol
Aug 04th 2020
172
Hell of a reach but nm
Aug 04th 2020
177
      Is it?
Aug 04th 2020
179
           You've effectively said Jay owes his entire career to Biggie quotes
Aug 04th 2020
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                I said he brought attention to himself in light of Big’s death
Aug 04th 2020
196
                     LOL thats not what you said
Aug 04th 2020
209
                          My subject line was clearly written in jest
Aug 04th 2020
211
you found the most polite way to call her a clout chaser
Aug 04th 2020
176
bruh
Aug 04th 2020
180
I definitely think she is using Malik B’s death to get attention
Aug 04th 2020
189
      this is a bad take
Aug 04th 2020
206
           how are they treating is passing exactly?
Aug 04th 2020
207
           it's not on me to judge her response
Aug 04th 2020
210
                I didn't ask you to judge her response
Aug 04th 2020
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                     I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page
Aug 04th 2020
215
                          sure, that's fair
Aug 04th 2020
217
                               Yes. RE: I would’ve expected Okayplayer to put it on the front page
Aug 04th 2020
232
                                    From what we've seen recently
Aug 04th 2020
247
                                         you're so right. nm
Aug 04th 2020
249
           RE: this is a bad take
Aug 04th 2020
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oh shut the fuck up, trash heap.
Aug 04th 2020
230
sad to see the folks saying "boys will be boys" and "clout chaser"
Aug 04th 2020
181
seriously.
Aug 04th 2020
200
Yeah. And that rape is just apart of “growing up”
Aug 04th 2020
240
Dice: "Nigs from my era don’t believe in ghost writing. I never did it...
Aug 04th 2020
182
RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc.
Aug 04th 2020
183
^
Aug 04th 2020
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RE: RIGHT, i guess they believe in rape, sexual assault etc.
Aug 04th 2020
251
      bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm
Aug 04th 2020
254
           RE: bruh I have this compilation & never listened to this song. wth! nm
Aug 05th 2020
261
It’s like he’s saying
Aug 04th 2020
185
or...
Aug 04th 2020
186
I haven’t demanded anything of him
Aug 04th 2020
190
except thats not what hes saying at all SMH
Aug 04th 2020
194
I have no idea what happened, not saying I do
Aug 04th 2020
195
      huh? was dice even accused of any foul shit?
Aug 04th 2020
197
      she said Dice continued to rock with her ex husband...
Aug 04th 2020
253
      What was he accused of?
Aug 04th 2020
198
           RE: What was he accused of?
Aug 04th 2020
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                Yeah.. she didn't really go in on Dice
Aug 04th 2020
204
                I don't think that's what he said
Aug 04th 2020
225
                     i mean, you don't know me, but OK
Aug 04th 2020
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                          it literally does not say that but as you know, you need to feel attacke...
Aug 04th 2020
252
                               this is coming from the guy
Aug 05th 2020
262
                                    I’m here to co-sign this
Aug 05th 2020
263
                                    #metoo
Aug 06th 2020
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                                         I love that the same exact people who deny women are being harassed
Aug 06th 2020
362
                                         remember when you were posting Daily Caller articles
Aug 06th 2020
364
                                              I made the comment he co-signed and you ain’t got shit to say to me
Aug 06th 2020
365
                                                   I apologize for not thinking enough of you to reply to you.
Aug 06th 2020
367
                                                        Don’t need you to care
Aug 06th 2020
372
                                                             do you want me to shut the fuck up or do you want me to reply to you
Aug 06th 2020
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                                                                  It’s pretty clear I’m telling you to shut the fuck up
Aug 06th 2020
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                                                                       cool, cuz I was worried it was affecting you emotionally
Aug 06th 2020
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                                    Damn
Aug 05th 2020
265
                                    Some truth in this
Aug 05th 2020
267
                                    Some?
Aug 05th 2020
273
                                    nothing but the truth
Aug 06th 2020
335
                                    Ouch!
Aug 05th 2020
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                                    factual.
Aug 05th 2020
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                                    thank you for representing the losers, we need your perspective
Aug 05th 2020
291
                                    I was wondering how much longer "Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy
Aug 05th 2020
283
                                    "Bitch! Get back in the Kitchen" Guy
Aug 05th 2020
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                                    where'd I say I was holier than thou?
Aug 05th 2020
288
                                         Fair. You should respond by bringing up a post where I called a woman...
Aug 05th 2020
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                                              except, not only was it 15 years ago
Aug 05th 2020
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                                                   AHHHH!! I am the one who is the actual abuser!!
Aug 05th 2020
317
                                                        DARVO
Aug 05th 2020
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                                                             Anyone else seeing this?
Aug 05th 2020
320
                                                             what's new about you lying?
Aug 05th 2020
323
                                                             this Chris Brown shxt?
Aug 06th 2020
340
                                                                  being friends with people is chris brown shit?
Aug 06th 2020
359
                                                             gaslighting 101
Aug 06th 2020
330
                                                                  you mean, saying words?
Aug 06th 2020
358
                                                                       Saying contradictory words and denying the contradiction
Aug 08th 2020
396
                                                                            there's no contradiction. so....
Aug 14th 2020
450
                                                                            there's no contradiction. so....
Aug 14th 2020
451
                                    so you admit nobody's attacking you and that you were lying
Aug 05th 2020
289
                                    that's all you have to say for yourself?
Aug 05th 2020
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                                         I said you would lie about being attacked
Aug 05th 2020
295
                                              for the 2nd time
Aug 05th 2020
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                                                   so many examples that you can't actually point out any of them
Aug 05th 2020
300
                                                        toxicity 101
Aug 06th 2020
331
                                                             who did I tell that their life sucks?
Aug 06th 2020
360
                                                                  so in order to willfully abuse the community
Aug 06th 2020
368
                                                                       many of those aren't even about specific people
Aug 06th 2020
369
                                                                            correct - what you did was far worse
Aug 08th 2020
399
                                                                            Well said
Aug 09th 2020
401
                                                                            .
Aug 10th 2020
409
                                                                            so is it a wholesale attack on the community
Aug 09th 2020
408
                                                                            keep defending your behavior in that one thread
Aug 10th 2020
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                                                                            you should keep using this logic in your daily life
Aug 10th 2020
417
                                                                            .
Aug 10th 2020
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                                                                            ***THE DOORS OF THE CHURCH ARE OPEN***
Aug 11th 2020
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                                                                            Can I Venmo my offering?
Oct 08th 2020
543
                                    Big facts:
Aug 06th 2020
348
                                         I have never at any point sent you a follow or friend request
Aug 06th 2020
361
                                              weirdo response.
Aug 06th 2020
363
                                              *sets calendar for next dm from vex*
Aug 06th 2020
366
                                                   your creep dms and trolling is why you got blocked by many
Aug 10th 2020
413
                                                        ohhhh, so now you're projecting.
Aug 10th 2020
418
                                                             lol you just admitted above that you got blocked, but ok.
Aug 10th 2020
421
                                                                  ...where did I "admit" I got blocked? by who?
Aug 10th 2020
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                                                                       keep up the good work.
Aug 10th 2020
426
                                                                            I will!
Aug 10th 2020
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                                              Lmao ugh oh. Maybe that’s the source of all this
Aug 06th 2020
379
                                                   and vex knows it's true.
Aug 10th 2020
420
In fairness, the ghostwriting part is all he was named as a part of
Aug 11th 2020
437
What else would he speak on publicly that would benefit him?
Aug 04th 2020
188
Yet in this little interview from 2014, Black Thought confirms
Aug 04th 2020
203
i mean
Aug 04th 2020
205
That’s not ghostwriting.. that’s song writing.
Aug 04th 2020
212
this is starting to feel like "damned if you do, damned if you don't"
Aug 04th 2020
219
I'm confused about what era he's from
Aug 04th 2020
224
he appears to be suggesting that jag has mental heath issues
Aug 04th 2020
259
very sad, i hope she can find some peace n/m
Aug 04th 2020
192
"let me jump on this grenade real quick" © Tiffany Haddish
Aug 04th 2020
193
More today...”a member of the Roots told me R Kelly was none of my biz...
Aug 04th 2020
199
way too much vague BS in here
Aug 04th 2020
202
      what reason she got to lie on her kids grave for?
Aug 04th 2020
216
      didn't say she was lying
Aug 04th 2020
218
           what could the other side be to "I woke up w/ d#%k in my mouth"
Aug 04th 2020
221
                well the other side could be
Aug 04th 2020
223
                     Or it could be....
Aug 04th 2020
228
                          PFFFT - yo tell that to jag
Aug 04th 2020
229
      Re: R. Kelly, she said he had them (Roots members) going
Aug 05th 2020
264
Maaaaan.....
Aug 04th 2020
220
What if this IS it?
Aug 04th 2020
231
      Then so be it.....
Aug 04th 2020
233
           first of all
Aug 04th 2020
234
Y'all still cheerleading this shit?
Aug 04th 2020
235
Well umm... she is having an open forum for women tomorrow
Aug 04th 2020
236
She still hasn't really explained how she was abused by them
Aug 04th 2020
238
      Yes she has.
Aug 04th 2020
241
           Keep us posted on when she has the women's forum.
Aug 05th 2020
270
           Two Questions
Aug 05th 2020
278
                Most of that is industry rule 4080 shit.
Aug 05th 2020
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                except that to her, these aren't "record company people"
Aug 05th 2020
292
                     But it is industry 4080 shit
Aug 05th 2020
298
                          Wait yea what's this Eve story ? Don't think I ever heard it.
Aug 05th 2020
303
                          Supposedly Eve was supposed to be in the You Got Me video
Aug 05th 2020
315
                               lol damn. That's cold.
Aug 05th 2020
324
                                    Here is how it’s explained
Aug 06th 2020
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                                         I never had an issue with that situation
Aug 06th 2020
329
                                              I think people (myself included) have a hard time accepting...
Aug 06th 2020
341
                                                   Exactly
Aug 06th 2020
343
                                                        lol @ you having an intelligent, well thought, nuanced reply
Aug 06th 2020
345
                          I have no interest in telling someone what they experienced isn't abuse
Aug 06th 2020
336
                it's weird how buddy has different definitions of abuse
Aug 05th 2020
297
I'm struggling with how all of this honors Malik
Aug 05th 2020
279
      two things have been happening at once
Aug 05th 2020
290
      Comm should definitely respond. Especially after his book.
Aug 05th 2020
293
           I don't think any of them will respond.
Aug 05th 2020
322
                Word. That'd be weak af on their parts.
Aug 05th 2020
325
"15" isnt so funny anymore
Aug 04th 2020
244
thanks. someone told me the story of 15 the other day
Aug 04th 2020
248
Shit. I forgot that was the reason for 15.
Aug 04th 2020
250
hell this makes me want to revisit the Eve story
Aug 04th 2020
258
      Just asked about this above - what happened ?
Aug 05th 2020
304
           Quite honestly, I can't remember what the bottom line was
Aug 17th 2020
456
Don't laugh - how do I watch without and Instagram acct?
Aug 04th 2020
255
her page isnt locked, anyone can watch
Aug 05th 2020
260
      As of April 2020: Instagram no longer allows people without an account
Aug 05th 2020
266
      Where's the one with the Common story ?
Aug 05th 2020
269
           RE: Where's the one with the Common story ?
Aug 05th 2020
282
                Damn that's fucked up. Also had no idea he dated Lauryn Hill.
Aug 05th 2020
305
                BTW who is the other chick on the live ? Just listening for an hour ? LO...
Aug 05th 2020
307
      RE: her page isnt locked, anyone can watch
Aug 05th 2020
281
Forget the ghost writing, the sexual misconduct is what's disturbing
Aug 04th 2020
257
Shit is dangerous ... driving and recording a video at the same time
Aug 05th 2020
268
Never understood the obsession with driving and recording
Aug 05th 2020
272
Kweli IG: "If you ain't hear it from the squad then your info faulty AF"
Aug 05th 2020
306
Why do you think this is related?
Aug 05th 2020
310
      I said "I wonder," not "I think."
Aug 05th 2020
311
      Banks has rep for being saying and doing wild shit.
Aug 05th 2020
321
      Oh and what's the Azelia story ? Never heard it I don't think.
Aug 05th 2020
326
      she said they slept together. that's not an accusation.
Aug 06th 2020
332
           Dave is married.
Aug 06th 2020
333
                you said accuse as if these weren't two consenting adults
Aug 06th 2020
334
                Not sure why what i said was controversial
Aug 06th 2020
338
                     Dave literally has jokes in his routine about getting his dick sucked by...
Aug 06th 2020
346
                adultery isn't part of 'the movement'
Aug 06th 2020
337
                     yeah she only had compliments for dave lol
Aug 06th 2020
339
                          I have a hard time believing Banks on this one
Aug 06th 2020
342
                               i kinda dont. i could see Dave being on some "aw fuck it" shit
Aug 06th 2020
351
                                    I googled to check her and she said Ye was a closeted homosexual
Aug 06th 2020
355
wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Aug 06th 2020
327
so much wrong with this post
Aug 06th 2020
347
that's okp for you. Women's pain gets no care here. never has
Aug 06th 2020
349
Energy can not be created, nor destroyed,
Aug 06th 2020
350
      plus the slut-shaming of Erykah & Jill...... iono man....
Aug 06th 2020
352
      ^^^^JW Lucas
Aug 06th 2020
354
      You're loud and wrong
Aug 06th 2020
356
      She said a lot
Aug 06th 2020
357
      energy can be controlled though
Aug 06th 2020
376
she killed this marvin tho
Aug 06th 2020
353
gul can SANG
Aug 06th 2020
371
That she did!
Aug 06th 2020
380
Flo Brown
Aug 06th 2020
377
that's the part the I didn't think Jag should've included.
Aug 06th 2020
378
A week later and her videos haven't stopped
Aug 07th 2020
381
I unfollowed. .... it's something else entirely now....
Aug 07th 2020
382
      yeah i'm not down with the slut shaming and trashing women's looks
Aug 07th 2020
383
Fuck #METOO, Cosby didn't do it, women drug themselves - Jag
Aug 07th 2020
384
She needs to take a break
Aug 07th 2020
385
she said that?
Aug 07th 2020
387
RE: she said that?
Aug 07th 2020
388
      "digging up the roots"
Aug 07th 2020
389
      and who the fuck is she doing these lives w/?
Aug 07th 2020
390
      this is a whole train wreck.
Aug 07th 2020
391
This what I been sayin.....
Aug 08th 2020
400
admitted mental health issues and lack of good logic on a topic
Aug 09th 2020
402
      RE: lack of good logic on a topic
Aug 09th 2020
403
           to say Bill Cosby isnt a rapist is saying x amount of women lied
Aug 09th 2020
405
                This whole thing has been about calling people liars
Aug 09th 2020
406
                     you cant be serious, chief
Aug 10th 2020
416
Her claim about hooking up with a band member to avoid being raped
Aug 07th 2020
392
I dont think that was said or really implied
Aug 07th 2020
393
      You’re right. She didn’t say it.
Aug 08th 2020
397
Pathetic. Well and truly pathetic. Nm
Aug 08th 2020
398
Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399
Aug 09th 2020
404
Yeah, fontgangsta won
Aug 10th 2020
411
imagine having to tell yourself someone else won
Aug 10th 2020
419
Word. Apparently the oversight ain't worth a damn either, so you're righ...
Aug 10th 2020
433
RE: Shout out to fontgangsta for reply 262 and 399
Aug 15th 2020
455
Jag: "wants Shawn Gee to resign, then she'll leave The Roots alone"
Aug 09th 2020
407
She took the longest route possible to get here
Aug 10th 2020
414
Seems reasonable (emoji shrug)
Aug 10th 2020
415
damn that's a name I haven't seen on the boards in a minute, he actually...
Aug 11th 2020
434
I prayed for sis this morning
Aug 10th 2020
422
One thing about this that has always bothered me...
Aug 10th 2020
425
Common is from the midwest
Aug 10th 2020
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      I’m just saying
Aug 10th 2020
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      But he owned his masters
Aug 10th 2020
431
      wait, what?
Aug 11th 2020
435
      What, what?
Aug 11th 2020
440
           then entire premise and logic of post 427 is faulty lol
Aug 13th 2020
445
                Nah nah nah naaahhhh
Aug 14th 2020
452
      Being from the Midwest is no guarantee you'll like a Master P movie
Aug 11th 2020
438
           Never said it was guaranteed
Aug 11th 2020
439
as I said above
Aug 10th 2020
432
cops shot somebody outside the WH...
Aug 10th 2020
423
that nigga is your okp father figure and you're older than him.
Aug 10th 2020
429
So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly.
Aug 13th 2020
442
for what?
Aug 13th 2020
443
To give him his nuts back?
Aug 13th 2020
446
lol
Aug 13th 2020
444
RE: So, the saga continues. Jag just drove to Philly.
Aug 13th 2020
447
we should probalby turn this show off for a while
Aug 13th 2020
448
Re: flo brown & 15ok alias: where Wallace at string, huh? Where Wallace...
Aug 15th 2020
454
Archive!
Aug 17th 2020
457
^^^^
Aug 20th 2020
462
Summer Walker called Jag a weirdo and said she's gonna pray for her.
Aug 17th 2020
458
Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing.
Aug 17th 2020
459
      RE: Damn this makes me feel even more :-/ about the Flo Brown thing.
Aug 17th 2020
460
Jill Scott’s on IG
Aug 18th 2020
461
I understand grieving.. I don’t understand trying to take everyone
Aug 20th 2020
463
She's still going.....
Sep 28th 2020
464
Pretty sad
Sep 28th 2020
465
Sheesh
Sep 28th 2020
466
      Makes you wonder why she stopped getting work
Sep 28th 2020
469
           i dunno
Sep 28th 2020
471
This has taken a terribly sad and tragic turn.
Sep 28th 2020
467
yeup. her message is unfortunately compromised
Sep 28th 2020
468
word. same,
Sep 28th 2020
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I think she got addicted to (Instagram) limelight
Sep 28th 2020
474
Don't abandon her now.
Sep 28th 2020
472
nuance means two things can be right at once
Sep 28th 2020
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      pretty much. that sums it up perfectly.
Sep 28th 2020
475
      Differently put...
Sep 28th 2020
476
           ok white man
Sep 28th 2020
477
           You white too?
Sep 29th 2020
478
           I'm googlable &amp; have personally interacted with people in this post
Sep 29th 2020
479
                Yes or no
Sep 29th 2020
480
                ^^^^^^This question
Sep 29th 2020
481
                     What have I said to make you think I'm white?
Sep 29th 2020
482
                          You haven't included a passport scan bro
Sep 29th 2020
483
                          Nothing
Sep 29th 2020
484
                          No white man would guard black men from accountability like you do
Sep 29th 2020
485
                          Be that as it may, at least I'm sincere
Sep 29th 2020
487
                               words have meanings. no one came in here with an agenda
Sep 29th 2020
495
                                    So you contend that her words changed?
Sep 29th 2020
496
                                         I contend that the word agenda has a meaning
Sep 29th 2020
501
                          All you had to say is I’m Black and that would be enough for me
Sep 29th 2020
486
                               I'm telling you my resume while arguing
Sep 29th 2020
488
                idk if mans is white or not
Sep 29th 2020
489
                     What ?
Sep 29th 2020
490
                          Now see.. this is reckless.. lol
Sep 29th 2020
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                          Yep
Sep 29th 2020
493
                          he said to google him
Sep 29th 2020
505
           meaning you want words to mean what you want them to mean LOL
Sep 29th 2020
497
                He said some bullshit
Sep 29th 2020
498
                     you're all over the place
Sep 29th 2020
502
                          So it was initially for healing, now its for attention. Ok.
Sep 29th 2020
503
                               where did I imply anything was done for healing?
Sep 29th 2020
504
Damn. Everyone lost in this post.
Sep 29th 2020
491
I’m surprised some people actually admitted she went too far
Sep 29th 2020
494
i mean.....
Sep 29th 2020
499
Looks like she went Jaguar...Wrong somewhere
Oct 07th 2020
538
this was posted 2 days ago...
Sep 29th 2020
500
all these extra stories are taking attention away from her
Sep 29th 2020
506
      RE: all these extra stories are bringing attention to her
Sep 30th 2020
507
           One thing you have to remember is you can’t take everyone with you
Oct 01st 2020
509
                oh you're an industry expert now
Oct 01st 2020
512
Nah, shes just insulting people at this point ...
Oct 01st 2020
508
Nah, she's honoring Malik's legacy
Oct 01st 2020
510
      Lmao.. yeah, a lot of L’s in this post
Oct 01st 2020
511
           what L's
Oct 01st 2020
513
           She’s grieving, she’s not bitter, everything she is saying sounds tr...
Oct 07th 2020
531
                I searched the word bitter
Oct 07th 2020
536
                     Nah.. she threw it all away
Oct 08th 2020
540
           I always felt like this too...
Oct 02nd 2020
514
Talib's response
Oct 03rd 2020
515
Good for him
Oct 06th 2020
516
what about this is respectable?
Oct 06th 2020
517
Messy.. this is why you shouldn’t respond
Oct 07th 2020
518
Is there any reason why Jaguar Wright's account should be believed over
Oct 07th 2020
519
You know why.. lol
Oct 07th 2020
520
He just spent the entire summer cyberbullying a woman online
Oct 07th 2020
521
cyberbullying a woman who laughed at “broke niggas”
Oct 07th 2020
522
I missed the part where you disagreed
Oct 07th 2020
524
      Nice projection
Oct 07th 2020
530
           It was not a back and forth
Oct 07th 2020
532
                You really don’t think she was playing the long game of a gofundme?
Oct 07th 2020
534
Cyberbullying ?
Oct 07th 2020
527
      I followed him on IG, I had to unfollow him
Oct 07th 2020
528
           Did you follow the woman on twitter ?
Oct 07th 2020
529
                IMO, it looks like pattern of behavior on Kweli's part
Oct 07th 2020
533
                     That's one sided.
Oct 07th 2020
535
                          The expectations for a conscious rapper are pretty hilarious
Oct 08th 2020
539
                               I think this is just the expectation on black men
Oct 08th 2020
541
                               True indeed
Oct 08th 2020
542
                               Is it really? You made a living off of being someone who's thoughful
Oct 08th 2020
544
                                    Slipping how ?
Oct 08th 2020
545
                                         outside of the several women accusing him of harassment? nothing much
Oct 09th 2020
549
                                              Question about harassment...
Oct 09th 2020
554
                                                   Did you try telling the mods?
Oct 09th 2020
555
                                                        Y’all stupid.. lol
Oct 09th 2020
556
nope. jag is long past the point of believability
Oct 07th 2020
523
ummm...there isnt that much discrepancy
Oct 07th 2020
525
      This is why this goes this way......
Oct 07th 2020
526
           I dont want to assume or misread you. what are you saying about Meg?
Oct 07th 2020
537
Why is this fool still allowed to make statements?
Oct 08th 2020
546
Huh? Why wouldn’t he be allowed to speak?
Oct 09th 2020
548
I Will Say I Do Agree With Him About Two Things
Oct 08th 2020
547
All this huffing and puffing but doesn't have $2 for a McMuffin
Oct 09th 2020
550
This isn’t funny
Oct 09th 2020
551
      But seriously I see a YT channel already that has 4 million views off
Oct 09th 2020
552
           She prolly will circle back and cuss them out too
Oct 09th 2020
553
                It takes like 30 minute to just create your own YT Channel
Oct 09th 2020
557
                     Lmao at thinking a neo soul artist like Jag can create a YT page
Oct 10th 2020
558
RE: Jaguar Wright...
Oct 10th 2020
559

naame
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1. "Sheesh"
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All the tea spilt

  

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2. "with more kettles simmering"
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5. "Furniture was thrown"
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3. "Yikes!!! Triple Barrows!!!!!! This is the epitome of NAME NAMES!"
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Sat Aug-01-20 03:08 AM by Dstl1

          

.

...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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370. "NIGGA!!! ALL THE NAMES!!! ALL.OF.THEM"
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and whoever the fk they rode in with too.

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be about it or be without it

RIP GOATs

  

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it has...... hoh bwey

  

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14. "same"
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_______________________
"Arm Leg Leg Arm Hate." c/o desus
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296. "Came back after 20 years to see the same thing hahaha"
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"Madam Potential. I'm deadly with a pencil."

  

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453. "Me as well"
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Cawazy

  

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6. "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did."
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The people who posted here did that.

The people who loved the music.

The nerds and the fat girls. The outcasts and weirdos.

Before it was cool.

We bought in. Hit them shows. Supported the music and broke down the lyrics. Online like it was our jobs.

Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most certainly not jaguar wright.

We did that.

That's my only take away from her screed.

  

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8. "If we gonna tell it"
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Us telling y'all what was going on Sunday and Tuesday at Black Lily is what got this spot poppin'

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

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13. "as usual, you dont know what you're talking about"
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>Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most
>certainly not jaguar wright.
>
>We did that.

  

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15. "No I do. I was there too."
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Every day too.

Tell yourself that it was jag wright who made saying okayplayer at a show a thing if you want and be wrong.

Black Lily as an event...hella dope. Great experiences and all that.

But this preceded that and the so called "stars" that would come on the boards to do whatever they did.

That's abt all I have to contribute the rest of what she said I have no comment abt whatsoever

And carry on


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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16. "this board was a very niche place"
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Im sure things happening outside of being online (like a whole tour named after the brand) were more important than Binlahab's fantasies of being an integral part of history

  

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Binlahab
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19. "Glad to see some things will never change."
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Sat Aug-01-20 10:24 AM by Binlahab

  

          

That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who again?

The people on that niche website

Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not

Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

Jag wright hella talented and deserves all the props

But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure you will figure out a way to do so

With yourself tho


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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20. "Black Lilly started the late summer after this place begun that spring"
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Sat Aug-01-20 10:45 AM by atruhead

  

          

>That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who
>again?
>
>The people on that niche website
>
>Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not


you're already loud and wrong


>Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

you got here roughly 2000. the 2001 All Star game is when you became "relevant" if that matters on a message board


>But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

>Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

I dont think Okayplayer was ever famous (it gained more steam for a recent company scandal than anything else), but I think Jaguar Wright is more important to the story than Binlahab


>Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure
>you will figure out a way to do so
>
>With yourself tho

people who know Binlahab: posters from here and (former) posters from here who shit on Binlahab in secret Facebook groups

people who know the name Jaguar Wright: posters here who were around for that era, much of the Philadelphia music scene, The Roots and their extended family tree, etc.

needless to say, we're distracting from this woman's pain because Binlahab needs to feel important to the Okayplayer community


  

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21. "The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you."
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Sat Aug-01-20 11:11 AM by Binlahab

  

          

I got here in 99.

My relevance to okp (lol) or anywhere else is immaterial.

I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.

🤷🏿‍♂️

I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same whorish cowards for 20 yrs.

I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad girl you are.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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atruhead
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22. "sir, your opening was "She didn't make okayplayer famous. We did""
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Sat Aug-01-20 11:44 AM by atruhead

  

          


>I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

I dont know that I need to apologize for reading your "we did this" as a self-important and unnecessary addition to the equation


>Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.
>I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same
>whorish cowards for 20 yrs.


I left Facebook for good in February. I never participated in any of it, Im not a part of any "ilk", I can count my close friends from here on one hand. but when I lurked for a few days the consensus was "(Binlahab's real name) is a piece of shit, we banned him from here"


>I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

cool, Im a whorish coward for holding you accountable and correcting you on how much you matter compared to an artist's personal account.



>Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad
>girl you are.

it sounds like you need to feel persecuted, take that up with the man upstairs



  

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Binlahab
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23. "Wtf are you the okp police? Hold your kids accountable "
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You're not my dad atruhead

https://youtu.be/cQZSl4E_hjM


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

  

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Cam
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29. "Come on men..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOe6g9OFd3g

  

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30. "keep being a clown, dont let me stop you"
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35. "RE: The only person mentioning my name as usual...is you."
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you two lol

  

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256. "PREACH!"
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7. "Well.. she hasn’t changed. lol"
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I’m sure all of it is true..

Fame yo.. definitely makes people do ugly things.

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27. "Yep"
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Wholly authentic

  

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33. "what she need to change for?"
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fuck your condescending ass

  

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36. "Who said she needed to change? "
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She’s always been this way. I watched her come up at Black Lily from 2001 to 2005.

Y’all being weird and coming in looking for a fight.

Maybe slow down a bit next time.

(I know, curse words, curse words)



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53. "she's always felt betrayed by her circle?"
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"I see she hasn't changed lol" has a tone of finding this humorous

  

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55. "No, she’s always been aggressively honest in delivery. "
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9. "Anyone have a recap?"
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11. "It’s long but it’s not boring"
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She talks about a lot of people, and spills a lot of personal stuff.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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10. "Damn"
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I’ll say this, she is an incredible performer. I love her fire, that was a lot though. Stay is a good song. Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn. PS people hate on that Oxnard album but that shit is fire.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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24. "RE: I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her"
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>Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn.

this is a bad take.

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32. "I’m not knocking her at all"
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and I believe her. Maybe it is a bad take, but she’s putting stuff out there that is going to hurt people who aren’t involved. I don’t blame her, and I have a lot of respect for her. So yes, I could have chosen better words.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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26. "She's been chewed up and spit out"
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Which you had to have recognized watching the video.
But the next video she posted, live at midnight, was a tribute in her home. She's apparently opened it up as an artists space for creatives. Seen in it are a bunch of young talented people eagerly working with her to perform an impromptu tribute to Malik Abdul Basit...on the day of his Janazah.

  

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34. "I don’t disagree"
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I feel for her. Generally I’m against airing out people’s private business, but sometimes it needs to be done.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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12. "I hope we treat this with care, at least those of us who were around"
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she's getting out her pain how she sees fit
but it shouldnt be a source of gossip or anything to laugh at

it hits a lot of sensitive topics for me. mental health, she feels a sense of betrayal and loyalty to Malik B

out of common decency I wont comment any further, suffice to say I've felt a lot of what she conveyed for a long time

  

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25. "No one is laughing at her, it's an exposé."
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Pulling away a facade to show the corrosion within.
OKPs foundation and initial success included women...Angie made this place, Black Lilly was a showcase for women performers, these boards used to be at least evenly split by gender. All of that is gone, it didn't happen for no reason. Most of the stories she details are descriptions providing insight into the erosion of this woman free place and the exploitative way with which it was done. Look at how this current iteration of the place just went through scandal over similar issues with the former CEO.
But, the point of her divulging these things wasn't even about that, it's an effort to achieve proper recognition of Malik Abdul Basit's death...beyond that horrible article on the homepage and the seemingly unimportant IG musings by two people, or lack of acknowledgement at all publicly by many others.

  

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31. "Exactly...thank you for saying this"
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I 100% agree...she's in pain and mourning...

  

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62. "People are doing too much gleeful co-signing about all this"
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to serve their own purposes, feelings and agendas...

You're right none of this should be amusing, it's all sad.

  

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82. "my guy Steve!"
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17. "not like this "
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Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
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18. "^"
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not. like. this.

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28. "Exactly what I thought, reading that 'tribute' on the homepage."
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95. "pretty much."
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441. "Damn, I just checked and it's not even "
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on the homepage anymore.

  

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37. "damn.... so sad to hear. "
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"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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38. "Wooo chile Jag sounds bitter as hell."
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I didn’t watch all of it but to get on the Roots for paying her $500 instead of $2500, ma’am you accepted that rate don’t get on them after the fact.

And to reveal apparently Jill got it in in high school is so messy and not cool and it is not cool also she said Jill was mad at the Roots.

So messy.

  

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39. "Yeah.. that’s a tough one. "
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$500 to be on stage or nah? Either you have someone else who pays more or you accept it.

She was ahead of her time. No one was cussing like that on R&B cuts back then.

and why she have to talk about Jill in HS like that? We all had our moments in HS. That wasn’t cool. Just stick the the biz and not the petty shit.

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40. "but....y'all want to know ALLLLL the dirt on anybody else y'all down for..."
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not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come away with such a dismissive hot take....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
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41. "Haha.. HS was tho? That’s too much"
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56. "Because she makes it seem like everyone has the problems except her"
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>not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come
>away with such a dismissive hot take....
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."
>"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

I am generally dismissive of people that are looking to pull a whole bunch of people down when things don't go their way. I guess I'll have to wait for her book so she can be more specific and tell the story in a linear fashion.

  

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43. "So the fuck what? She has every right to be bitter."
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I wish people would stop using things like "bitter" to minimize what's being expressed.
She's obviously been deeply hurt by people she cared about. She's been used and cast aside by people she supported. She can be bitter. That's fine. That don't make her a liar.

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76. "Exactly. Bitterness does not invalidate a person. "
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It's a perfectly valid way to feel if you've been messed over.

Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I can understand her view.
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77. "yea. All the insults set me aback but like you said, I get it."
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>Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I
>can understand her view.
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.


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About my people she was teachin' me..."

  

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46. "We as black women need to stop referring to other black women as"
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“bitter.” It’s become yet another way to be misogynistic and undermine our legitimate critiques. I’m from Philly and the stuff Jag has been saying has been whispered quietly for years. I wish her well and hope that her words inspire these folks to be better and do the right thing by Malik. Inshallah.

I do agree with what you said about Jill even though she’s problematic as hell.

  

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85. "THIS. "
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42. "Came to see if this place had gotten wind of this yet"
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I believe everything she says.

What I don't like is that she's made herself the arbiter of what giving Malik his "proper shine" looks like, though I do think Questlove's IG "tribute" was wack as fuck.

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48. "Questlove’s words were mad corny"
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I stopped reading it.

  

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52. "Sole arbiter is putting too much on it"
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I don’t think anyone who knew Malik’s contribution to the band thought that oils anecdote was adequate. Other people Jag called out did no tribute whatsoever. I think she has a valid position in that dude deserves better. Thought’s IG Post was decent. I’m still confused why they couldn’t work with Malik more. There are members of rock bands with way more issues than Malik who still stay involved in their bands. I remember a story about Malik only wanting to do East Coast dates but I never understood why that meant he couldn’t still rock on a few album cuts per album.

Peace,

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54. "The bulk of The Roots success was the live show"
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That could’ve played a part in the moves they made regarding Malik B being on more songs.




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61. "I think that's exactly what it was. The Roots formula for success was "
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>That could’ve played a part in the moves they made
>regarding Malik B being on more songs.

100 shows in a year all over the world. It wasn't the Roots record sales, or this site that kept them well fed. None of the Motive records releases had a breakout record, so they weren't eating off that either. Seems like anyone who couldn't keep up with a highly organized and strict program got pushed to the side.

  

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160. "They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot"
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They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform it live? I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN, I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like Dice.


Peace,

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161. "RE: They took a lot of Scott Storch production after he was hot"
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Key word is AFTER he was hot. What’s funny is Dr. Dre invited their crew to his studio when they were on tour and they laughed it off. Everyone except Scott Storch. He went to meet Dre and the rest is history. But you don’t need a producer to go on tour.

>They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are
>unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn
>down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform
>it live?

Having cameos is different than having a founding member on a bunch of records who won’t tour. Speaking of 3000.

One of the things JW points out is clout chasing. No shade to Philly artist but it’s just good biz to have cameos from hot acts on an album. They are trying to sell records too.

I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and
>the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN,
>I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at
>least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like
>Dice.

Again, these other people you make are just Philly cats (no shade). It’s way different than having the original sound of the 2 emcees who started the group but only BT doing the live shows.

Just my opinion.

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44. "Unfortunately, it's getting... more and more messy by the hour. Sigh"
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She released a song about BT... and a new post about 15.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDXLalzlnFs/


I listened to the several IG vids around noon today after waking up to see someone tweeting about JW and "spilling tea". I instantly thought it was about the OKP situation and/or Talib. But it wasn't... (I went back to the first video she shared a few days ago mourning Malik and worked my way to current time) and I'm still digesting it all. It's a lot. It's heavy and sad and disappointing and intense. She's hurt. Really, deeply.

This is all just rocking my entire worldview... I essentially grew up looking up to the whole OKP camp, thinking everything was peachy, investing my heart into the art. Found this place when I was a 15-year-old girl and I'm 26 now. Granted, people gone people, and I couldn't possibly expect folks to go thru their lives without running into or causing some mess. It's human nature to mess up. But I wasn't expecting to hear the things I heard, not like this (or, not hearing it to this extent, rather).

Heartbreaking all around.

I think the thing that stuck out to me the most was how Malik's addiction was seemingly framed as his choice, rather than the illness of addiction, as well as her not receiving the comfort she needed with her son's death. That kinda issue is bound to ruin any and all kinds of relationships with people you thought were down for you. And hearing about the women of Black Lily... man.

I'm just also keeping the two Jill Scott interviews she did on QLS in my mind because I JUST listened to them yesterday and it was all sounding like "it's all good, yes we hashed it out about the credit, it was a label issue, not on the band itself" from Jill and 15, so I was def confused for a second. I guess that little factoid can be disputed or whatever.

Back to Malik (PBUH); I had a feeling that things weren't as straightforward as they seemed in regard to everyone's relationship with him, but I also thought that the lack of really deep posts would be made up in the form of an actual tribute that they're working on. I also come from the frame of thinking that some people aren't always up to posting immediately about losing someone. That does look disrespectful from the outside looking in if folks post other things INSTEAD - yeah. But at the end of the day, she did make a point about people/publications not really giving Malik his flowers he deserved(s) and acknowledging how tremendous of a role he played in the group. On the other hand, some folks like me on here may be more in tune with interviews/books/random things that did give Malik his props throughout the years. But if it's not on the surface, then yeah. It’s gonna be "why tf aren't y'all boosting him more?". I pray Malik's soul is at rest.

Apart of me also wonders what Jaguar really *needs* from the band. No, I'm not talking financially (she did point out her being shorted the money she should've been making). A situation like this absolutely seems more like the "yo, I need you to take accountability for what you've done to me/against me". Which I think could be the case, especially since she's talked about being gaslit and shunned and blackballed. But, there are folks I've seen who've aired out their grievances while also saying that they don't wanna hear from the other party. Whatever it is, I really hope this gets Jag on her path to healing, and I hope they do right by her, by any means. I'm so sorry to Jag.

I just wanna make it clear that I do believe that, even though I'm obviously unaware on a firsthand account of what happened back in the early days, the misogyny/misogynoir that the women of the boards face(d) was BAD. If you were subject to that, I am so very sorry.


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49. "i have a feeling things are gonna get worse. Knuckles & Hubb"
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and their grievances/lawsuit discussions might pop back up again.

it's inevitable. Once something major gets aired out, the fan keeps blowing.
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45. "I just got to the part where she drags Girls High and Central into it."
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Is it bad that I've laughed out loud for or five times, already?

  

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71. "I didnt hear that part...what did she say about Girls High?"
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i was a there...a year ahead of Jilly

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47. "That was a lot...and seems more hurt than anything"
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To lose a kid and by murder and not hear from people you thought you were cool with had got to be tough.

Nothing she said surprised me at all. I hope she finds peace.

  

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50. ".."
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51. "This is very depressing and messy"
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I'd love to hear some takes from other Black Lily artists. Going to the Black Lily is what made me start really reading the boards.

The amount of shots sent in so many different directions is just overwhelming. This was supposed to be about Malik B but she has so much resentment for so many people.

I do believe she was studied, her music didn't grab me but she was unmatched on the stage at those Wetlands Black Lily shows when it comes to presence & comfort. Anyone who ever dreamed of making it big as a performer would want some of those traits.

The Roots success didn't come from where we wanted it to come from so it's no shock that so many people were pushed aside. It just sucks when you think about what it looked like could happen back then.

  

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57. "Everything she's saying is plausible."
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This ain't the first time she's tried to air out her grievances.

I'm expecting this post to get 15'd, BTW.

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58. "So is 'Riq about to be cancelled?"
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She said his wife needs to ask her about him, and then mentioned "me too" ...

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59. "It seemed to me that she was referencing cheating"
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and not sexual assault or abuse.
But we'll just hafta chill... til the next episode

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60. "I heard it as an assaulty/rapey thing."
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me too isn't typically about cheating.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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64. "I'm 12 min. into today's live and she all but said Flo Brown was raped"
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by one of them when they were on tour.

  

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70. "Latest video she's speaks on trying to talk Flo out of going to the poli..."
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I was definitely off.

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63. "She went live again today. I wish someone would reach out to her"
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Maybe someone has? Idk...

Those tours must have been hell.

  

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65. "Today she said Common sexually assaulted her."
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That she woke up to him trying to put his penis in her mouth.

  

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66. "Yep. It's getting worse."
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the collective anxiety about what's gonna be revealed next is horrible.

Jag been THRU IT. This morning's live was... whew

I wonder how much longer it's gonna take for all of them to address this. Because like she said, every day she's gonna reveal more and more, and that's what's happening.

I'm an "I wanna hear all sides" type of person, but this situation feels like there are so many complex layers/truths being shared and she needs to be acknowledged, apologized to (and the harms need to be 100% addressed), and receive reparations (monetary and otherwise). ASAP.

Transformative justice...

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67. "I believe every word she's saying in the accusations."
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I don't 100% buy the idea that she "made" the Roots, or whatever, but that's separate from specific allegations, and I believe those.

  

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69. "I believe her too. nm"
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68. ""She wants to put them out of business""
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as of the current IG Live happening right now.
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73. "My goodness"
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...cleaned up my act, made a few violent songs...but, they wack like Glen Rice with New Balance on - Sean Price

  

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81. "Her dating 60 Second Assassin to keep dudes off her"
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because 'the only way dudes won't bother you is if you have a dude in the crew'. She said was 19 and he was 46.
- Talib in the women's dressing rooms and running from her ex-husband at a HOB venue
- The band - Dice especially - not cutting ties with her abusive ex b/c he gave them discounts on Polo gear and asking her why she couldn't just work it out with him
- the Roots fight with some frat and her beating someone with a spoon (that shit was kinda funny)
- Malik getting paid $300 a week until his death
- A LOT about Erykah and Jill. On one hand they kinda catching strays but on the other hand they've gotten so much love that she hasn't and I don't LIKE it but I understand it

  

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72. "I support her 100% and I believe her."
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The pain is visceral and white hot...I can't imagine what its been like holding all that in

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74. "So dang near everybody is cancelled now, right?"
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80. "what attention are you seeking by asking this question twice?"
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83. "If what she says is true and Rashid and Tariq assaulted or misconducted ..."
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then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from here? What is the logical conclusion?

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84. "My EXACT dilemma/question. Where is this going? What do we do?"
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>then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like
>this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an
>environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from
>here? What is the logical conclusion?


Like this has been keeping me up at night. Memories and milestones are tied to their music. My top 5 favorite songs of all time have at least 3 songs by them or feature them.

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And you know, idk if this was the time when they all decided to ride on two different tour buses (Gryffindor and Slytherin) or were still on just one. But, if they were on two, then whose bus was Jag riding on? I have a feeling I know the answer.

Regardless of whose it was... ENABLING is ENABLING. So yeah, even tho I wonder which it was, I also believe that this behavior HAD to be known on the other bus (if there was another bus).

I hope this makes sense.

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86. "it's a personal choice tho right?"
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Like....what really is canceled? If the music hits you, it hits you. It's unfortunate to be disappointed by people but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some of this behavior I could relate better.

  

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116. "Yeah, I guess it is a choice, and I get you..."
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>but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some
>of this behavior I could relate better.


I have the perfect example of what you said above: Talib Kweli.

All the cyber-harassment and doxxing, among many other deplorable things he's done to Black women within the last month, didn't personally depress me like the way it's doing for me with The Roots. As of 2016 or so, Talib has not been my fave or someone I *checked* for like that ANYMORE.

Granted, I listened to the Black Star album RELIGIOUSLY for years and years, and learned a lot from it, felt validated. And also had Reflection Eternal and about 2 or 3 of his solo albums (that I listened to maybe twice and didn't care for) and some random songs here and there. It all just died down completely for me within the last few years because he just didn't interest me musically anymore and this was also the same time I heard about the situation with Res, in 2018. That was major thing that had me go, "oh no. I can't support this". And that was easy for me to do.

And when the time came and everything crashed on Twitter, even though all the evidence of his behavior is proof he's trash, I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who "were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's happening now, with these guys.


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156. "wait lemme clarify myself about that "noble ones" comment"
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>I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who
>"were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed
>about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but
>couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's
>happening now, with these guys.


it's not that I believed with my whole naive heart they were "noble" lmao because no one is. We have the books/interviews/lyrics to show the track record of some of them partaking in some of these allegations.

I see people say they're not surprised to hear about the adultery, womanizing (amongst most touring musicians in general) because it was a loud secret... and Black Thought even mentioned in an interview with Method Man and Heather B. a few years ago about how he and his wife were in marriage counseling. He also literally said in his song "Thank You" on SOT1:

"And to my lady baby, thank you for forgiving me...
Gangsta and fly hoes, freaks and side shows...
Even though I was spazzing boo, I wasn't mad at you..."

Context clues.


What I was trying to say earlier was that I always separated them from those who seemed "capable" of committing these acts of alleged s*xual assault, physical abuse, shifty business, creepy behavior, etc. because of what's shown and said to us. (and this is where the stereotypes of "other kinds of rap" and bias come in). I guess this what she and y'all meant by the "neo-soul movement was a lie".


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170. "hope you find peace with the situation. seems to be hitting you hard."
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178. "Thank you. Yeah i found these kneegrows at 15yo, hard times"
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helped me gravitate towards their music, and I'm talking about the whole SoulQuarians output. All the groups and albums that came from that era that I discovered a decade later, it really helped me fall in love with music and find an escape. Those core albums are the only ones that I never stopped listening to even when I was going through my other phases and listening to different kinds of music. I guess since I latched on at that age, that's why it's hard for me to come to terms with this. Damn near 9 years! And Com's lyrics is my signature. Sheesh

But if I have to step back, I have to, one way or another...
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75. "damn "
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crazy stuff

  

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78. ""oils....fucking OILS!?!?!""
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79. "That shit was foul as hell"
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Dude was still plugging names and album projects.

If that’s all he had to say about him publicly you can tell there is some type of resentment or bad blood.

He basically said Malik was always flaky

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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87. "What 15 actually said:"
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A lighter tale of Malik Abdul Basit

As a true Bol from philly you know that one’s oil game HAD to be on point. I came in this game rockin oils since age 9. Most of yall joke about me smelling like Breakfast (thx Kravitz clan) but long before my vanilla combo mastery my true graduation from basic Frankincense & Myrrh morphed into new exotic philly jawns like “Mecca Musk” & “Somali Rose” & “Egyptian Musk” & yeah…..”Money On the Street” & “Hug My Neck Aphrodisiac”

Malik introduced me to that world.

Even before Malik was in the Roots —-he was my oil guru.

IYKYK...there is no panic like the last drop of oil w no re-up in the future.

I been bugging Malik for my “$OTS” re-up. Paged him 911 (ask your parents kids) he was hard to catch but I knew I had some leverage bait this time: these were my last days interning at #RuffhouseRecords. I was everyone’s plug for all free cd’s/lp’s & especially Kriss Kross posters for anyone’s younger sibling or cousin

Tim Dog’s sophomore Do or Die just came out (his “I Get Wrecked” single w KRS made brief noise for a sec) & I had 6 songs from the not yet released Cypress Hill “Black Sunday” lp——that was just enough to garner a “word? BET!” confirmation from Malik to tell me that him & Mussa (remember the cat dozing off watching TV in our “Distorion” vid? Him) would scoop me in a half hour. Confused I thought it was gonna be an even exchange (having paid him upfront weeks ago at a show I thought he was gonna drop it off——ha ha ha yeah ok

They arrive to my west philly house and then Malik breaks the news to me: we gotta take a trip to “Norf” to get the oils. I wasn’t planning on this. But oh well.

It was 3pm.

Malik told me the particular fragrance I dug was a mixture of 3 import oils from Saudi Arabia (his parents often taught school there) my dad was already on his cynic “fool me once….” bag with Malik from a previous sale: “that boy tried to hustle me with Blue Nile that wasn’t all the way Blue, I know Johnson’s baby oil rebranded when I smell it”)——Malik told me we’d have to run to grab 2 oils & then West Oak Lane for the other oil, & then to South Philly so he can mix em together.

Uh (checks Swatch) ok.

So car music provider & I’m covering gas. —“Let’s run to Halal Cheesesteaks at the Steak n Take spot on broad” so now I’m covering food too.

it’s now 4:50 pm & I’m livin somewhere between that frustrating barbershop episode of “Atlanta” & Scorsese’s ’85 classic “After Hours”—we didn’t even make it to our 2nd stop yet because the untold added on errands list got bigger: “lemme stop by the shop & get my license right quick” (wait WHAT?!?!!?) “aye Troy!!! Troy!!!! pull over you remember Troy” (uh no I don’t)——now we giving Troy a lift (where to? dunno) —what I do know is Dog’s “Timberlands” is on it’s 3rd rotation.

It’s 6:15 & I still don’t smell good yet.

“so Mir you think we gonna be on Elektra? Or maybe Def Jam?, or maybe like Jive cause that’s where KRS and them signed right?”……when is the EastWest showcase? We should do “Grits” yo”……..

Sitting in a car pondering & dreaming about our future. A year ago we were busking for change in a shoebox on South St. & we might have a record deal BEFORE summer??!??!

Round 8 o’clock I think we made it to his boy’s crib where he left the remaining oils——by the 5th rotation I’m realizing Tim Dog used the “Dove” Cymande sample I wanted to mess with.
Malik promised soon as we hit South Philly he will “hook the jawns up” & he’ll gimme triple the oils for my trouble.

Sounds fair.

My eyes are slowly opening. The car is parked. Its dark. I’m assuming I’m in South Philly cause this looks like Riq’s grandma’s section. I have no clue what is going on. The digital dashboard clock says 9:03, there is a seatbelt mark on my face & neck, my half eaten steak & leftover fries are in a bag on the seat next to me. With the exception of the bus driving down the block it is Vanilla Sky empty. I’m in the back of this cramped hatchback—for what seems like a plane trip to LA—-in the back of my mind I was like “shoulda listened to dad” I have no clue where I am—-I got out the car. Grabbed my trizzy (ask a Philadelphian) took the bus to Walnut St & took the 42 home.

It was 10:45.

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99. "fyi the last part is missing; I saw it before it got pushed down."
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"A month later rehearsin for a show in germantown about to open for The Pharcyde Malik gave me a bag of like 10 exotic oils. Think of Kennan Ivory Wayans in “Hollywood Shuffle” getting his jherri curl activator back) but I was still semi pissed but I smelled good so forgiven. Somewhat……

I joked “….and this mofo just gonna leave me in the back of a car in South Philly on a Friday night!!!!!!!!!”

A classic Malik retort: “Nah Ock I tried to wake you up like 4-5 times!! man you snore like a Mesopotamian Pangolin”

*mic drop*

To the Stripe snatcher of gener-als (Game Theory)
To The street walker of “iminals” (Push Up Your Lights)
To The Mazda screecher (Here I Come)
The Bonnerville jawn creeper (In The Music)
To the evil menace of a dentist (I Can’t Help It)
The Axe Offender (Mellow My Man)
The 10k Hit Man (Table Of Contents)
To The Zaniest Miscellaneous (Section)
To The 5 Pillar OF Islam Followin (The Spark)
To The Anti Bullshitter Islamic Extortioner (No Alibi)
To The Cattle Wrangler in your place of worship (Distortion To Static)
To The Bjork cock blockin’
To The Mesopotamian Pangolin oil merchant abandonin’ master of words.
To The Poet Born Creator

May Allah forgive you for your sins. May you find true peace. Find Rich for me. I’ll see you in the next world my brother.

📸@mpozitolbertphotography"

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100. "Ok. Never saw this last part"
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Thought it was a weird story to tell and just end with him catching a bus home

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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104. "I don't have any issues with. Or understand people who do"
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?uest and Malik B knew each other for decades. The man is likely very much grieving his death. He's not obligated to share anything that he's feeling or anything about their friendship/relationship with the rest of us. And if he does share something on IG/Twitter/FB/whatever, it's not on us to determine if it's "good enough."

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107. "her expectation and mine was that Malik B would get a more "
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heartfelt

thorough tribute fitting of his placement in the group artistically and spiritiually

rather than a chapter from the book of ?uest which he always writes about celebrity stories

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108. "It's really none of our business what he chooses to share in public"
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He doesn't "owe" us or anyone else anything when it comes to speaking on his relationship with Malik B.

No one knows how he's processing this, so it's not our affair to judge if any response he gives is "heartfelt" enough.

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109. "Grief critiquing is certainly strange, to me."
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But I guess its just an outgrowth of our social media culture.

Dudes gotta hire a PR firm to respond publicly to their friends' deaths these days.

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123. "It's such an entitled position for people to take"
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People are essentially acting like psychic vampires, feeding off other's grief.

"No!!! That wasn't heartfelt enough!!! Give me moaaarrrrr!!!!"

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112. "that's cool for you"
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121. "fair, but remember the odes he penned when J Dilla died?"
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from 2006 and beyond
there's a capacity to honor and celebrate your people openly.

  

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125. "Different people and different relationships. "
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I don't know and can't judge how grieves publicly for each individual person who passes. There may be some memories and emotions that he's not comfortable about sharing about Malik B. I personally don't know, and it's not my affair.

Again, it's not for any of us to say, "Well, you said X about Friend A, why couldn't you also say X about Friend B?"

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163. "He didn’t honor Malik while he was alive either tho?"
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Can you point to any post Quest has made about Malik’s artistic ability?

Peace,

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127. "Cam, these people just want to argue..."
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what matters, is as fans of the music and the legacy, some of us would hope to see a little bit more done for Malik B.

as individuals, we can all respect their own autonomy for their feelings and experiences

but a statement was put out and god forbid someone reads, takes in the words shared and has a negative experience with it.


i don't think ?uest or anyone in this post, hell even jaguar did anything egregious

we just would hope for more as a tribute to someone who was much more than a sometime collaborator

but they'll argue under my reply using baseless accusations and reaches while also calling people names etc. rinse, repeat

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128. "ALL OF THIS. Yes. EXACTLY! </3 Mallik B."
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>what matters, is as fans of the music and the legacy, some of
>us would hope to see a little bit more done for Malik B.

>we just would hope for more as a tribute to someone who was
>much more than a sometime collaborator


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135. "You're right"
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I just can't get past this website though.
How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement than this place?
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man properly.

  

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191. "I think it's pretty disgusting that you all will Judge they way people c..."
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to mourn someone they knew and you did not.


You don't know anything about their relationship other than what they choose to tell you. They have no obligation to share anything.

Human relationships are complicated AF and those relationships only get more complicated as time pass and your life leads you down different paths.

I got homies who I thought were my NFL that I don't even want to speak to today and if I tried to explain to anyone what changed between us I don't think of us can articulate it in any way that makes sense.

When you think about what you are asking for you should see how freaking selfish it is because what you want from a people who have these complicated relationships with other people is the closure to satisfy you, not the actual person who had the relationship with them.

There is this new phenomenon where the internet will you attack you for choosing privacy over public displays and I hate it. It's pretty awful.



>I just can't get past this website though.
>How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement
>than this place?
>https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
>Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man
>properly.


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"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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237. "I think it's pretty disgusting that you're pretending "
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that I didn't make the distinction of my issue being directly with THIS GOT DAMN WEBSITE!

>to mourn someone they knew and you did not.
I knew Malik B, in my ealry 20s.

  

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242. "I think it's pretty disgusting that "
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of all the atrocities revealed and discussed in this post, this is the singular topic you find disgusting.

  

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243. "I think it's pretty disgusting that"
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In response to a website not honoring an individual who is part of the foundation of that site...you wriggle out a way to make it about you, as a justification attempt.

  

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245. "god damn right, buddy..."
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208. "THIS. Anyone beefing with how Quest has chosen to remember his..."
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lifelong friend is an idiot.

shit, he don't have to let anyone in to his remembrance/grieving at all if he don't want to.

he don't HAVE to say shit.

that shit is hella personal, whatever is it or may be.

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Cam
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246. "His poor feelings. You remember how his alias came to be?"
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Flo Brown said some defamatory shit about The Roots in an OkayArtist post.
Questlove deleted it and left all of the other replies, with a blank space at that 15th numbered spot.
Then he created his alias.
...a hilarious inside joke right?
Now we find out what she was being silenced over, and the joke continues.

  

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275. "this shit just dont sit right with me right now."
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276. "Damn that's deeply, deeply fucked up."
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277. ": ("
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Jeezus

Wauw

connecting the fucking dots

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284. "I never knew this all these years. That motherfucker."
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286. "wow"
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287. "this is what I alluded to below"
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301. "the fuck does that have to do with how he remembers Malik B?"
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y'all some fucking goofies.

edit: i have no opinion on whatever transgressions questlove has or hasn't made against Jaguar, Flo, or whomever. i wasn't there. i'm not privy to any of that shit. i'm sure quest has done some foul shit because he's just a human working a business where foul shit is not unusual.

however, to judge how someone remembers their people on their death is really no one's place.

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308. "Stanley, ask yourself."
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YOU are the one overly concerned with that man's personal feelings.

Also, the actual individual with the beef is the person who this post is about. She's had plenty to say, if you choose not to listen fine but you're ignoring the reason why, she's explained in great detail why she feels the way she does.

  

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312. "Stanley, don't be obtuse."
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You're acting like a whole huge part of this story isn't about how Quest remembered Malik B.

like, c'mon.

i'm out.

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316. "K"
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302. "?uest has always been wack as fuck though"
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Everything about him is cornball.

No one should be surprised at that dumb ass stunt.

  

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313. "Wow I never knew the history of it...."
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Extra weird now looking back that one of his girlfriends who actually was pretty dope used to post as mrs 15.

I wonder if she knew the history...

  

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318. "So the toxic moderation comes from the top down"
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"Until you get outta my way, I don't wanna hear what you say aye aye"

  

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394. "Never knew this. Wow. Anyone remember what she said?"
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Peace,

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88. ""Booty" being about Jaguar and Common is fascinating to me. "
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89. "my eyes and mouth wide open right now.."
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SHIT

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90. "LOL same. I didn't even see it all but just reading about all this."
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In this post. Holy hell.

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91. "not shock or stunned about this"
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Res and Santigold alluded to the atmosphere

take a message

  

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92. "Golden Boys hits different now."
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96. "RE: Golden Boys hits different now."
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Way different now

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97. "I hate gossiping but for correction's sake, Golden Boys is about Mos Def"
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written by Santigold about her experiences

  

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157. "yes, i was aware of that already"
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SantiGold = Santi White etc etc

the lyrics still hit different, like i said.

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94. "Did they ?"
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Got any links ?

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101. "song Golden Boys written by Santigold and sung by Res"
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https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/talib-kweli-faces-sexual-harassment-accusations-from-former-protege-res-629864/

https://www.xxlmag.com/res-talib-kweli-sexual-harassment-allegations/

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102. "Have you heard Golden Boy by Res? "
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I’ve heard conflicting stories about who the song is about.. Black Though, Mos and Talib’s name have come up.

It’s written by Santigold and sang by Res.

Might be both of them telling stories about multiple dudes

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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makaveli
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114. "I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago"
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On twitter I think?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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115. "I know Res had a big blow up with Talib a couple years ago"
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On twitter I think?

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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93. "Sounds like years"
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if not decades of pain and hurt are behind her words in the videos.

I mainly wonder how long the bridges have been burned between her and the folks she's mentioning in her videos. Have to think ties have been severed for many many moons now.


Sadly enough, I have to think the shenanigans she's referring to are pretty commonplace given the access to money and fame that the music industry can bring and how that can change folks.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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98. "Sad but not surprising."
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103. "This is worse than I thought it'd be."
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Reading the replies, I'm thinking, "I mean how bad is it really?"

I'm 23 minutes into this and it's really fucking bad. I don't know if it's all fair to say or believe - like that she made Okayplayer for example, but the toxic culture she was very obviously a part of is heartbreaking. I think everyone knew the Me Too movement would come for hip hop eventually...but I didn't see The Roots being part of that.

In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be. What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.

It's all just so fucking sad.

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119. "so bad. i'm like you..i was 20 min in looking like theres 30 fkn min LEF..."
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122. "Yea agree here entirely."
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>In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or
>family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I
>can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it
>just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be.
>What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually
>might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how
>Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.
>
>It's all just so fucking sad.

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105. " A sister on Twitter talked about how "
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even though many of us on OKP knew these dudes weren't shit for the longest, even she didn't think of Common or Black Thought when she thought of misogyny and rape culture in hip-hop. They were all shielded by their Black power rhetoric. I was a bit young to really be in the mix back then, but I went to a lot of shows. I saw and felt things that made me uncomfortable, but could never really put my finger on it. I see the same ugliness from men in academia and in my political work and they usually get away with it.


I feel so badly for Jaguar, Flo Brown...even Jill and Erykah. Patriarchy/misogyny really needs to be understood by our entire community as a form of white supremacist oppression. Men really think that they have a right to a woman's body (and everything else). It's SO pervasive.

  

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113. "lets say if Flo Brown does validate what JW has mentioned on IG"
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does Jill and Erykah silence confirms this?

or should we chock it up as to two resentful women didnt get to the level where two other successful women got to?

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124. "Who are you? nm"
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106. "im surprised ...but "conscious" men are still men"
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they like pussy as much as the rest of us. they just dress it up way better.

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110. "If it's rape, its not "liking pussy like the rest of us"."
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Sexual assault is not just about having sex with women.

You know this.

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117. "i never said it wasnt."
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im just saying these conscious acts folks put on a pedestal because of their content aint no different than the rest of the their peers or the average person

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120. "i'm a man. youre a man. you nor i aint sexually assaulted nobody"
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cmon dogg...that all men shit aint flying wit even me...

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111. "Listening to Unplugged"
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Haven’t listened to this in a while. I’m sure most people here already know this but this woman was an absolute killer on stage. Heart of the City and Song Cry? Mary J is cool and all but there was no competition between those two on that night.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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154. "She KILLED it on Heart of the City"
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That one always stuck in my head.

  

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449. "where can I watch this? "
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'Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent. ~Victor Hugo'

  

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118. "why would anyone doubt her statements"
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when the stories are so familiar.

I'm glad she's speaking up.


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126. "Are people doubting it? "
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Genuinely asking. I've seen nothing but support for her. I know it's hard for people to accept that artists are wildly flawed, but I personally hadn't seen people saying she's lying or something.

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129. "ehhh. I've seen comments about her being an "opportunist""
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like, how she's doing this bc she's butthurt about how her career turned out. And the personal insults/problematic points/shots fired are deflecting from the point and that's what's causing people to doubt the validity/see what the purpose is.

Don't quote me on that, that's what I've gathered from IG comments and some Tweets, pretty much.


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130. "I mean, I'm sure that's part of this."
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She's pretty clearly upset about how she was treated as an artist AND as a woman.

Feels like the lack of tributes and love for Malik B was the straw that broke the camel's back...but it feels like she's just had years and years of resentment for how she was treated and how her career turned out.

But yeah I certainly don't get the opportunist tag - and that's a shame people are even saying that. I don't think you'd air out ALL of these people if you were just wanting album streams.

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131. "Won't call her an opportunist, but this doesn't honor Malik's memory"
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She has every right as a human being to feel how she feels and say what she's saying, but let's not pretend it's for Malik. This post will live far longer than the RIP post, and in the real world they'll be talking about her revelations sans any mention of Malik B.

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132. "Unfortunately there is truth in this"
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I’m not sure what she wants when she says until things are made right she will keep doing this

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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136. "Yeah this is where I'm at with it. It would be one thing if she kept it"
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to just being about being upset about Malik and how she perceived the Roots poorly treating him.

But everyone is getting hit with the strays and while grief is expressed in a multitude of ways, since she made these accusations public (not like someone is illegally posting her private videos) I think it is okay for people to have thoughts about what she's saying in these videos, whether they are sympathetic to her or not.

I can understand how holding stuff in year after year can begin to swallow you and I personally am sympathetic to that but I just wish someone would take her aside and say "Not like this, sis".

  

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138. "she's grieving on multiple fronts simultaneously"
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the same people she feels didnt properly honor someone close to her:

- didnt call her when her son died
- did bad business by her
- allegedly did all sorts of other fucked up things

so it's all spilling out at once. for her to have not spoken for years speaks to a strength of character

  

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143. "lmk when one of your friends dies"
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so I can tell you what does or doesn't honor that person's memory, as an objective third party.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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144. "As a matter of fact I recently lost a friend. Go ahead."
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146. "I wouldn't do that. We have very different morals and ethics."
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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149. "This ain't about us fam, nor morals, nor ethics. "
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I know we got fake OK beef, but that's not real. Malik B is real. Jag is real. All of these people being dragged into this are living breathing human beings with families and friends and careers.

Like I said, Jag has every right to be in this space. But it objectively does not honor Malik B's memory to tell the world who Jill Scott fucked in high school.

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151. "I know you have to lie to yourself about the person you are."
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But there is no circumstance where I would tell you about how to mourn your friend.


Because I'm not an absolute piece of shit and a fucking worm.

A piece of shit and a worm would do that.

I don't think that because you did it. We have no beef. It is simply true. Please stop embarrassing everyone who had a hand in raising you and act like a human being.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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175. "but:"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13396877&mesg_id=13396877&page=#13397085

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184. "You lack understanding of nuance"
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You certainly lack an understanding of irony, as evinced by your post about people arguing on the boards.

But back to nuance, I'm not critiquing her grief, in fact I said she has every right to feel this way and say these things.

I made an objective observation about honoring one's memory.

If I die tomorrow and people wanna go do crack and have sex with hookers in my memory, that's cool, if that's how you grieve. But don't pretend you did it in my honor because that isn't indicative of how I lived my life.

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395. "You contradicted your point about grief critiquing. "
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Full stop.

There was no nuance in the linked post from you.

Pick a side and stick to it consistently.

Peace,

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145. "Maybe his death triggered all this... maybe she can't help it "
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and it's all coming out..

I've had instances where something happened (especially family) and it triggers forgotten memories that have been suppressed in my brain subconsciously because of the pain... it happens..

obviously she had a lot held in... Malik's death, the pain, the memories, the regrets.. And with him gone and how he wasn't part of the group anymore.. she saw all the dumb shit but everybody else is silent..

that's a enough to drive people away....


It's not proper etiquette but I understand...



  

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147. "Thank you for putting this into words"
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Most of us did not know how to express this view without coming off as "dismissive"

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148. "it's dismissive and also some bullshit, so don't feel bad"
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they didn't do any better than you

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133. "its not about doubting her - its more like...ok and?"
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thebigfunk kinda nails this in the lesson thread

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=3026164&mesg_id=3026164&page=#3026171

  

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137. "She said that Common sexually assaulted her...wtf y’all?"
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And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped. This is not an “ok and?” situation. Even if you don’t like how she’s stating what she experienced do you have to be so cavalier? Damn.

  

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139. "the majority of it WAS 'ok and?'"
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adultery and shitty business dealings are nothing special in this industry.

>And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped.

that seems like Flow Brown's story to tell - i am 100% not OK with her putting out the story of someone else's sexual abuse. No one should co-opt someone else's suffering like that for their own ends. Just no.


RE: common, yes, thats a troubling accusation. But wrapping it up in this diatribe of grievances, both real and imagined, is doing her no favors.

  

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141. "Which part are you saying is imagined?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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fontgangsta
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164. "the outsized role she thinks she played in OKP "
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or in other people careers
that shit was delusional

im not trying to cast doubt on the abusive claims she's making, but i would say...

A) it doesnt help her to mix those accusations in with delusions of grandeur RE: her career and impact

B) This is gonna go over like a brick but damn, I'd certainly like to give the accused a chance to respond to all this before i cast them all as complete pieces of shit based on one person launching diatribes from their car on IG

C) its really incredibly fucked up to co-opt other peoples abuse and tell their stories - that's not your place and it makes me question your motivation and integrity

  

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CherNic
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140. "i think that post got deleted. and 'okay...and' is insulting"
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Com trying to stick his dick in her mouth. Kweli watching women get dressed. Men 'accidentally' getting in your bunk. Opportunities being taken b/c you don't wanna fuck anymore. None of that is 'okay...and?'

  

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stimuland
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142. "It's more than just shitty business practices and adultery"
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Mon Aug-03-20 04:15 PM by stimuland

          

They’re letting folks die i.e. Leonard Hubbard… will Ahmir write a fluff post when that happens too?

And now there are the rape allegations.

Even if this is all commonplace in the industry, how can this sit well with you? How is it not worthy of outrage?

  

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fontgangsta
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166. ""letting folks die""
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Tue Aug-04-20 08:20 AM by fontgangsta

  

          

huh? what does that even mean?

>And now there are the rape allegations.

look, theres gotta be a middle ground between cosby, where 83 women have to come forward before they are believed, and the other side of the spectrum where Jag accuses a grip of people of a grip of heinous shit and we all just fall in line.
She should be taken seriously, but this should also be just the start of this dialogue. I'd like to hear from the accused. I'd like to hear from other victims if this was so pervasive. And ideally the courage that Jag is showing here allows that dialogue to take place. But that doesn't mean every word she says should be gospel, or that there aren't other sides to this.

  

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Rjcc
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155. "ok. so you've been a part of this community for years"
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as have I.

was that because you felt like it was a part of something that's typical for the music industry


or was there supposed to be something more there


idk. these excuses feel very weak to me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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fontgangsta
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165. "its the music man"
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>as have I.
>was that because you felt like it was a part of something
>that's typical for the music industry
>or was there supposed to be something more there

the industry is the industry and i never had any illusions that anything was different about this clique other than the output.

  

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Rjcc
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222. "if not being worth a damn is what's normal to you"
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then that's a choice you have to make for yourself

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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fontgangsta
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226. "well as ive said repeatedly in here"
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id like more info and perspectives on all this stuff, and i'd like anyone who did fucked up shit to be held accountable for it.
but i also dont think everything she's dropping is as black and white as folks in here would like to think
but your question was what drew me here, and it wasn't necessarily some higher ideal about who these artists were as people

  

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naame
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134. "black women of the early 2000s"
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were subjected to war crime levels of sexual violence


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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150. "it's getting bad"
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Mon Aug-03-20 07:10 PM by atruhead

  

          

shit is reaching gossipy people on Twitter who dont know her/Malik B's music and only care about the tea

in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be make this post go away

  

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MeshaMeesh
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153. "you can