She talks about first and second hand accounts of Malik B's relationship with the group, and her reasons for falling out with them and associates. As well as plenty more from the Neo-Soul era.
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDTq_eHFNyS/?igshid=914io6oqjpuj

All the tea spilt

.

and whoever the fk they rode in with too.

it has...... hoh bwey

"Madam Potential. I'm deadly with a pencil."

Cawazy

smh






You don't impress me!!




RIP Reggie...I love you!! http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb449/Mynewstuff2011/RegLover.jpg



https://www.instagram.com/hawkcomedy/

The people who posted here did that.

The people who loved the music.

The nerds and the fat girls. The outcasts and weirdos.

Before it was cool.

We bought in. Hit them shows. Supported the music and broke down the lyrics. Online like it was our jobs.

Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most certainly not jaguar wright.

We did that.

That's my only take away from her screed.

Us telling y'all what was going on Sunday and Tuesday at Black Lily is what got this spot poppin'

>Not the roots, not Badu, not Jill Scott, not common and most
>certainly not jaguar wright.
>
>We did that.

Every day too.

Tell yourself that it was jag wright who made saying okayplayer at a show a thing if you want and be wrong.

Black Lily as an event...hella dope. Great experiences and all that.

But this preceded that and the so called "stars" that would come on the boards to do whatever they did.

That's abt all I have to contribute the rest of what she said I have no comment abt whatsoever

And carry on


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

Im sure things happening outside of being online (like a whole tour named after the brand) were more important than Binlahab's fantasies of being an integral part of history

That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who again?

The people on that niche website

Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not

Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

Jag wright hella talented and deserves all the props

But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure you will figure out a way to do so

With yourself tho


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>That tour named after the "brand" was supported by who
>again?
>
>The people on that niche website
>
>Who were yelling okayplayer before black Lily and what not


you're already loud and wrong


>Of whom yes I was one and unfortunately so were you

you got here roughly 2000. the 2001 All Star game is when you became "relevant" if that matters on a message board


>But no. She did not make okayplayer famous.

>Again...we the people who came to the site day after day did.

I dont think Okayplayer was ever famous (it gained more steam for a recent company scandal than anything else), but I think Jaguar Wright is more important to the story than Binlahab


>Which is very logical and utterly inarguable however I'm sure
>you will figure out a way to do so
>
>With yourself tho

people who know Binlahab: posters from here and (former) posters from here who shit on Binlahab in secret Facebook groups

people who know the name Jaguar Wright: posters here who were around for that era, much of the Philadelphia music scene, The Roots and their extended family tree, etc.

needless to say, we're distracting from this woman's pain because Binlahab needs to feel important to the Okayplayer community

I got here in 99.

My relevance to okp (lol) or anywhere else is immaterial.

I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.

🤷🏿‍♂️

I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same whorish cowards for 20 yrs.

I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad girl you are.


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

>I didn't say ME. but you read me. That's fine.

I dont know that I need to apologize for reading your "we did this" as a self-important and unnecessary addition to the equation


>Also the so called secret Facebook groups? Not that secret.
>I hear it or see it all. You and your ilk have been the same
>whorish cowards for 20 yrs.


I left Facebook for good in February. I never participated in any of it, Im not a part of any "ilk", I can count my close friends from here on one hand. but when I lurked for a few days the consensus was "(Binlahab's real name) is a piece of shit, we banned him from here"


>I know because I said this to you...20 yrs ago.

cool, Im a whorish coward for holding you accountable and correcting you on how much you matter compared to an artist's personal account.



>Nothing changes. Keep my name on your fingertips like the sad
>girl you are.

it sounds like you need to feel persecuted, take that up with the man upstairs

You're not my dad atruhead

https://youtu.be/cQZSl4E_hjM


on sabbatical.

does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOe6g9OFd3g

you two lol

I’m sure all of it is true..

Fame yo.. definitely makes people do ugly things.

Wholly authentic

fuck your condescending ass

She’s always been this way. I watched her come up at Black Lily from 2001 to 2005.

Y’all being weird and coming in looking for a fight.

Maybe slow down a bit next time.

(I know, curse words, curse words)

"I see she hasn't changed lol" has a tone of finding this humorous

She talks about a lot of people, and spills a lot of personal stuff.

I’ll say this, she is an incredible performer. I love her fire, that was a lot though. Stay is a good song. Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn. PS people hate on that Oxnard album but that shit is fire.

>Just from watching that video though, I can see why people wouldn’t want to work with her. I mean, damn.

this is a bad take.

and I believe her. Maybe it is a bad take, but she’s putting stuff out there that is going to hurt people who aren’t involved. I don’t blame her, and I have a lot of respect for her. So yes, I could have chosen better words.

Which you had to have recognized watching the video.
But the next video she posted, live at midnight, was a tribute in her home. She's apparently opened it up as an artists space for creatives. Seen in it are a bunch of young talented people eagerly working with her to perform an impromptu tribute to Malik Abdul Basit...on the day of his Janazah.

I feel for her. Generally I’m against airing out people’s private business, but sometimes it needs to be done.

she's getting out her pain how she sees fit
but it shouldnt be a source of gossip or anything to laugh at

it hits a lot of sensitive topics for me. mental health, she feels a sense of betrayal and loyalty to Malik B

out of common decency I wont comment any further, suffice to say I've felt a lot of what she conveyed for a long time

Pulling away a facade to show the corrosion within.
OKPs foundation and initial success included women...Angie made this place, Black Lilly was a showcase for women performers, these boards used to be at least evenly split by gender. All of that is gone, it didn't happen for no reason. Most of the stories she details are descriptions providing insight into the erosion of this woman free place and the exploitative way with which it was done. Look at how this current iteration of the place just went through scandal over similar issues with the former CEO.
But, the point of her divulging these things wasn't even about that, it's an effort to achieve proper recognition of Malik Abdul Basit's death...beyond that horrible article on the homepage and the seemingly unimportant IG musings by two people, or lack of acknowledgement at all publicly by many others.

I 100% agree...she's in pain and mourning...

to serve their own purposes, feelings and agendas...

You're right none of this should be amusing, it's all sad.

not. like. this.

on the homepage anymore.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

I didn’t watch all of it but to get on the Roots for paying her $500 instead of $2500, ma’am you accepted that rate don’t get on them after the fact.

And to reveal apparently Jill got it in in high school is so messy and not cool and it is not cool also she said Jill was mad at the Roots.

So messy.

$500 to be on stage or nah? Either you have someone else who pays more or you accept it.

She was ahead of her time. No one was cussing like that on R&B cuts back then.

and why she have to talk about Jill in HS like that? We all had our moments in HS. That wasn’t cool. Just stick the the biz and not the petty shit.

not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come away with such a dismissive hot take....


"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

>not sure how anyone can watch her speak her peace and come
>away with such a dismissive hot take....
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."
>"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

I am generally dismissive of people that are looking to pull a whole bunch of people down when things don't go their way. I guess I'll have to wait for her book so she can be more specific and tell the story in a linear fashion.

I wish people would stop using things like "bitter" to minimize what's being expressed.
She's obviously been deeply hurt by people she cared about. She's been used and cast aside by people she supported. She can be bitter. That's fine. That don't make her a liar.

It's a perfectly valid way to feel if you've been messed over.

Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I can understand her view.
______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>Now I do think there are spots where she's a bit extra, but I
>can understand her view.
>______________________________________________________________________________
>
>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

“bitter.” It’s become yet another way to be misogynistic and undermine our legitimate critiques. I’m from Philly and the stuff Jag has been saying has been whispered quietly for years. I wish her well and hope that her words inspire these folks to be better and do the right thing by Malik. Inshallah.

I do agree with what you said about Jill even though she’s problematic as hell.

I believe everything she says.

What I don't like is that she's made herself the arbiter of what giving Malik his "proper shine" looks like, though I do think Questlove's IG "tribute" was wack as fuck.

I stopped reading it.

I don’t think anyone who knew Malik’s contribution to the band thought that oils anecdote was adequate. Other people Jag called out did no tribute whatsoever. I think she has a valid position in that dude deserves better. Thought’s IG Post was decent. I’m still confused why they couldn’t work with Malik more. There are members of rock bands with way more issues than Malik who still stay involved in their bands. I remember a story about Malik only wanting to do East Coast dates but I never understood why that meant he couldn’t still rock on a few album cuts per album.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

That could’ve played a part in the moves they made regarding Malik B being on more songs.

>That could’ve played a part in the moves they made
>regarding Malik B being on more songs.

100 shows in a year all over the world. It wasn't the Roots record sales, or this site that kept them well fed. None of the Motive records releases had a breakout record, so they weren't eating off that either. Seems like anyone who couldn't keep up with a highly organized and strict program got pushed to the side.

They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform it live? I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN, I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like Dice.


Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

Key word is AFTER he was hot. What’s funny is Dr. Dre invited their crew to his studio when they were on tour and they laughed it off. Everyone except Scott Storch. He went to meet Dre and the rest is history. But you don’t need a producer to go on tour.

>They also feature a gang of cameos from people who are
>unlikely to join them on tour. You think Questo would turn
>down an André 3000 collab just because he couldn’t perform
>it live?

Having cameos is different than having a founding member on a bunch of records who won’t tour. Speaking of 3000.

One of the things JW points out is clout chasing. No shade to Philly artist but it’s just good biz to have cameos from hot acts on an album. They are trying to sell records too.

I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and
>the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN,
>I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at
>least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like
>Dice.

Again, these other people you make are just Philly cats (no shade). It’s way different than having the original sound of the 2 emcees who started the group but only BT doing the live shows.

Just my opinion.

>
> I don’t think that logic works with how Questo and
>>the gang have moved in the past. Even for guys like PORN,
>>I’ve never seen him at a Roots show and I’ve been to at
>>least ten. Ditto for even a more well known contributor like
>>Dice.
>
>Again, these other people you make are just Philly cats (no
>shade). It’s way different than having the original sound of
>the 2 emcees who started the group but only BT doing the live
>shows.
>

My point was, Porn and Dice have made multiple appearances on wax and I’ve never seen them perform at a Roots show (I’ve been to many in DC, one of their major markets, and even one in New Orleans). So if not touring with the band is a disqualifier for cameos, having Porn and Dice and Truck North and Scott Storch contribute in the studio, but not join on the road, makes me wonder why they couldn’t have gotten more Malik B verses. I’m not saying feature him on every song, I’m saying a cameo every other album on like one song.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

She released a song about BT... and a new post about 15.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDXLalzlnFs/


I listened to the several IG vids around noon today after waking up to see someone tweeting about JW and "spilling tea". I instantly thought it was about the OKP situation and/or Talib. But it wasn't... (I went back to the first video she shared a few days ago mourning Malik and worked my way to current time) and I'm still digesting it all. It's a lot. It's heavy and sad and disappointing and intense. She's hurt. Really, deeply.

This is all just rocking my entire worldview... I essentially grew up looking up to the whole OKP camp, thinking everything was peachy, investing my heart into the art. Found this place when I was a 15-year-old girl and I'm 26 now. Granted, people gone people, and I couldn't possibly expect folks to go thru their lives without running into or causing some mess. It's human nature to mess up. But I wasn't expecting to hear the things I heard, not like this (or, not hearing it to this extent, rather).

Heartbreaking all around.

I think the thing that stuck out to me the most was how Malik's addiction was seemingly framed as his choice, rather than the illness of addiction, as well as her not receiving the comfort she needed with her son's death. That kinda issue is bound to ruin any and all kinds of relationships with people you thought were down for you. And hearing about the women of Black Lily... man.

I'm just also keeping the two Jill Scott interviews she did on QLS in my mind because I JUST listened to them yesterday and it was all sounding like "it's all good, yes we hashed it out about the credit, it was a label issue, not on the band itself" from Jill and 15, so I was def confused for a second. I guess that little factoid can be disputed or whatever.

Back to Malik (PBUH); I had a feeling that things weren't as straightforward as they seemed in regard to everyone's relationship with him, but I also thought that the lack of really deep posts would be made up in the form of an actual tribute that they're working on. I also come from the frame of thinking that some people aren't always up to posting immediately about losing someone. That does look disrespectful from the outside looking in if folks post other things INSTEAD - yeah. But at the end of the day, she did make a point about people/publications not really giving Malik his flowers he deserved(s) and acknowledging how tremendous of a role he played in the group. On the other hand, some folks like me on here may be more in tune with interviews/books/random things that did give Malik his props throughout the years. But if it's not on the surface, then yeah. It’s gonna be "why tf aren't y'all boosting him more?". I pray Malik's soul is at rest.

Apart of me also wonders what Jaguar really *needs* from the band. No, I'm not talking financially (she did point out her being shorted the money she should've been making). A situation like this absolutely seems more like the "yo, I need you to take accountability for what you've done to me/against me". Which I think could be the case, especially since she's talked about being gaslit and shunned and blackballed. But, there are folks I've seen who've aired out their grievances while also saying that they don't wanna hear from the other party. Whatever it is, I really hope this gets Jag on her path to healing, and I hope they do right by her, by any means. I'm so sorry to Jag.

I just wanna make it clear that I do believe that, even though I'm obviously unaware on a firsthand account of what happened back in the early days, the misogyny/misogynoir that the women of the boards face(d) was BAD. If you were subject to that, I am so very sorry.


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

and their grievances/lawsuit discussions might pop back up again.

it's inevitable. Once something major gets aired out, the fan keeps blowing.
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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

Is it bad that I've laughed out loud for or five times, already?

i was a there...a year ahead of Jilly

d

To lose a kid and by murder and not hear from people you thought you were cool with had got to be tough.

Nothing she said surprised me at all. I hope she finds peace.

.

I'd love to hear some takes from other Black Lily artists. Going to the Black Lily is what made me start really reading the boards.

The amount of shots sent in so many different directions is just overwhelming. This was supposed to be about Malik B but she has so much resentment for so many people.

I do believe she was studied, her music didn't grab me but she was unmatched on the stage at those Wetlands Black Lily shows when it comes to presence & comfort. Anyone who ever dreamed of making it big as a performer would want some of those traits.

The Roots success didn't come from where we wanted it to come from so it's no shock that so many people were pushed aside. It just sucks when you think about what it looked like could happen back then.

This ain't the first time she's tried to air out her grievances.

I'm expecting this post to get 15'd, BTW.

She said his wife needs to ask her about him, and then mentioned "me too" ...

and not sexual assault or abuse.
But we'll just hafta chill... til the next episode

me too isn't typically about cheating.

by one of them when they were on tour.

I was definitely off.

Maybe someone has? Idk...

Those tours must have been hell.

That she woke up to him trying to put his penis in her mouth.

the collective anxiety about what's gonna be revealed next is horrible.

Jag been THRU IT. This morning's live was... whew

I wonder how much longer it's gonna take for all of them to address this. Because like she said, every day she's gonna reveal more and more, and that's what's happening.

I'm an "I wanna hear all sides" type of person, but this situation feels like there are so many complex layers/truths being shared and she needs to be acknowledged, apologized to (and the harms need to be 100% addressed), and receive reparations (monetary and otherwise). ASAP.

Transformative justice...

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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

I don't 100% buy the idea that she "made" the Roots, or whatever, but that's separate from specific allegations, and I believe those.

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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

as of the current IG Live happening right now.
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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

.

because 'the only way dudes won't bother you is if you have a dude in the crew'. She said was 19 and he was 46.
- Talib in the women's dressing rooms and running from her ex-husband at a HOB venue
- The band - Dice especially - not cutting ties with her abusive ex b/c he gave them discounts on Polo gear and asking her why she couldn't just work it out with him
- the Roots fight with some frat and her beating someone with a spoon (that shit was kinda funny)
- Malik getting paid $300 a week until his death
- A LOT about Erykah and Jill. On one hand they kinda catching strays but on the other hand they've gotten so much love that she hasn't and I don't LIKE it but I understand it

The pain is visceral and white hot...I can't imagine what its been like holding all that in

d

then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from here? What is the logical conclusion?

>then, where does that leave our interaction with shit like
>this, okp, shows, etc.? Or with Ahmir supposedly enabling an
>environment of harassment? Where are we supposed to go from
>here? What is the logical conclusion?


Like this has been keeping me up at night. Memories and milestones are tied to their music. My top 5 favorite songs of all time have at least 3 songs by them or feature them.

~~~~~

And you know, idk if this was the time when they all decided to ride on two different tour buses (Gryffindor and Slytherin) or were still on just one. But, if they were on two, then whose bus was Jag riding on? I have a feeling I know the answer.

Regardless of whose it was... ENABLING is ENABLING. So yeah, even tho I wonder which it was, I also believe that this behavior HAD to be known on the other bus (if there was another bus).

I hope this makes sense.

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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

Like....what really is canceled? If the music hits you, it hits you. It's unfortunate to be disappointed by people but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some of this behavior I could relate better.

>but...idk maybe if I found out my fave artist engaged in some
>of this behavior I could relate better.


I have the perfect example of what you said above: Talib Kweli.

All the cyber-harassment and doxxing, among many other deplorable things he's done to Black women within the last month, didn't personally depress me like the way it's doing for me with The Roots. As of 2016 or so, Talib has not been my fave or someone I *checked* for like that ANYMORE.

Granted, I listened to the Black Star album RELIGIOUSLY for years and years, and learned a lot from it, felt validated. And also had Reflection Eternal and about 2 or 3 of his solo albums (that I listened to maybe twice and didn't care for) and some random songs here and there. It all just died down completely for me within the last few years because he just didn't interest me musically anymore and this was also the same time I heard about the situation with Res, in 2018. That was major thing that had me go, "oh no. I can't support this". And that was easy for me to do.

And when the time came and everything crashed on Twitter, even though all the evidence of his behavior is proof he's trash, I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who "were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's happening now, with these guys.


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

>I didn't view him like I do The Roots and Common, as guys who
>"were the noble ones". So when my friends were feeling bummed
>about Talib, or even R K*lly, or C*sby, I understood it, but
>couldn't relate in the same way they can't relate to what's
>happening now, with these guys.


it's not that I believed with my whole naive heart they were "noble" lmao because no one is. We have the books/interviews/lyrics to show the track record of some of them partaking in some of these allegations.

I see people say they're not surprised to hear about the adultery, womanizing (amongst most touring musicians in general) because it was a loud secret... and Black Thought even mentioned in an interview with Method Man and Heather B. a few years ago about how he and his wife were in marriage counseling. He also literally said in his song "Thank You" on SOT1:

"And to my lady baby, thank you for forgiving me...
Gangsta and fly hoes, freaks and side shows...
Even though I was spazzing boo, I wasn't mad at you..."

Context clues.


What I was trying to say earlier was that I always separated them from those who seemed "capable" of committing these acts of alleged s*xual assault, physical abuse, shifty business, creepy behavior, etc. because of what's shown and said to us. (and this is where the stereotypes of "other kinds of rap" and bias come in). I guess this what she and y'all meant by the "neo-soul movement was a lie".


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

helped me gravitate towards their music, and I'm talking about the whole SoulQuarians output. All the groups and albums that came from that era that I discovered a decade later, it really helped me fall in love with music and find an escape. Those core albums are the only ones that I never stopped listening to even when I was going through my other phases and listening to different kinds of music. I guess since I latched on at that age, that's why it's hard for me to come to terms with this. Damn near 9 years! And Com's lyrics is my signature. Sheesh

But if I have to step back, I have to, one way or another...
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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

crazy stuff

Dude was still plugging names and album projects.

If that’s all he had to say about him publicly you can tell there is some type of resentment or bad blood.

He basically said Malik was always flaky

A lighter tale of Malik Abdul Basit

As a true Bol from philly you know that one’s oil game HAD to be on point. I came in this game rockin oils since age 9. Most of yall joke about me smelling like Breakfast (thx Kravitz clan) but long before my vanilla combo mastery my true graduation from basic Frankincense & Myrrh morphed into new exotic philly jawns like “Mecca Musk” & “Somali Rose” & “Egyptian Musk” & yeah…..”Money On the Street” & “Hug My Neck Aphrodisiac”

Malik introduced me to that world.

Even before Malik was in the Roots —-he was my oil guru.

IYKYK...there is no panic like the last drop of oil w no re-up in the future.

I been bugging Malik for my “$OTS” re-up. Paged him 911 (ask your parents kids) he was hard to catch but I knew I had some leverage bait this time: these were my last days interning at #RuffhouseRecords. I was everyone’s plug for all free cd’s/lp’s & especially Kriss Kross posters for anyone’s younger sibling or cousin

Tim Dog’s sophomore Do or Die just came out (his “I Get Wrecked” single w KRS made brief noise for a sec) & I had 6 songs from the not yet released Cypress Hill “Black Sunday” lp——that was just enough to garner a “word? BET!” confirmation from Malik to tell me that him & Mussa (remember the cat dozing off watching TV in our “Distorion” vid? Him) would scoop me in a half hour. Confused I thought it was gonna be an even exchange (having paid him upfront weeks ago at a show I thought he was gonna drop it off——ha ha ha yeah ok

They arrive to my west philly house and then Malik breaks the news to me: we gotta take a trip to “Norf” to get the oils. I wasn’t planning on this. But oh well.

It was 3pm.

Malik told me the particular fragrance I dug was a mixture of 3 import oils from Saudi Arabia (his parents often taught school there) my dad was already on his cynic “fool me once….” bag with Malik from a previous sale: “that boy tried to hustle me with Blue Nile that wasn’t all the way Blue, I know Johnson’s baby oil rebranded when I smell it”)——Malik told me we’d have to run to grab 2 oils & then West Oak Lane for the other oil, & then to South Philly so he can mix em together.

Uh (checks Swatch) ok.

So car music provider & I’m covering gas. —“Let’s run to Halal Cheesesteaks at the Steak n Take spot on broad” so now I’m covering food too.

it’s now 4:50 pm & I’m livin somewhere between that frustrating barbershop episode of “Atlanta” & Scorsese’s ’85 classic “After Hours”—we didn’t even make it to our 2nd stop yet because the untold added on errands list got bigger: “lemme stop by the shop & get my license right quick” (wait WHAT?!?!!?) “aye Troy!!! Troy!!!! pull over you remember Troy” (uh no I don’t)——now we giving Troy a lift (where to? dunno) —what I do know is Dog’s “Timberlands” is on it’s 3rd rotation.

It’s 6:15 & I still don’t smell good yet.

“so Mir you think we gonna be on Elektra? Or maybe Def Jam?, or maybe like Jive cause that’s where KRS and them signed right?”……when is the EastWest showcase? We should do “Grits” yo”……..

Sitting in a car pondering & dreaming about our future. A year ago we were busking for change in a shoebox on South St. & we might have a record deal BEFORE summer??!??!

Round 8 o’clock I think we made it to his boy’s crib where he left the remaining oils——by the 5th rotation I’m realizing Tim Dog used the “Dove” Cymande sample I wanted to mess with.
Malik promised soon as we hit South Philly he will “hook the jawns up” & he’ll gimme triple the oils for my trouble.

Sounds fair.

My eyes are slowly opening. The car is parked. Its dark. I’m assuming I’m in South Philly cause this looks like Riq’s grandma’s section. I have no clue what is going on. The digital dashboard clock says 9:03, there is a seatbelt mark on my face & neck, my half eaten steak & leftover fries are in a bag on the seat next to me. With the exception of the bus driving down the block it is Vanilla Sky empty. I’m in the back of this cramped hatchback—for what seems like a plane trip to LA—-in the back of my mind I was like “shoulda listened to dad” I have no clue where I am—-I got out the car. Grabbed my trizzy (ask a Philadelphian) took the bus to Walnut St & took the 42 home.

It was 10:45.

"A month later rehearsin for a show in germantown about to open for The Pharcyde Malik gave me a bag of like 10 exotic oils. Think of Kennan Ivory Wayans in “Hollywood Shuffle” getting his jherri curl activator back) but I was still semi pissed but I smelled good so forgiven. Somewhat……

I joked “….and this mofo just gonna leave me in the back of a car in South Philly on a Friday night!!!!!!!!!”

A classic Malik retort: “Nah Ock I tried to wake you up like 4-5 times!! man you snore like a Mesopotamian Pangolin”

*mic drop*

To the Stripe snatcher of gener-als (Game Theory)
To The street walker of “iminals” (Push Up Your Lights)
To The Mazda screecher (Here I Come)
The Bonnerville jawn creeper (In The Music)
To the evil menace of a dentist (I Can’t Help It)
The Axe Offender (Mellow My Man)
The 10k Hit Man (Table Of Contents)
To The Zaniest Miscellaneous (Section)
To The 5 Pillar OF Islam Followin (The Spark)
To The Anti Bullshitter Islamic Extortioner (No Alibi)
To The Cattle Wrangler in your place of worship (Distortion To Static)
To The Bjork cock blockin’
To The Mesopotamian Pangolin oil merchant abandonin’ master of words.
To The Poet Born Creator

May Allah forgive you for your sins. May you find true peace. Find Rich for me. I’ll see you in the next world my brother.

📸@mpozitolbertphotography"

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

Thought it was a weird story to tell and just end with him catching a bus home

?uest and Malik B knew each other for decades. The man is likely very much grieving his death. He's not obligated to share anything that he's feeling or anything about their friendship/relationship with the rest of us. And if he does share something on IG/Twitter/FB/whatever, it's not on us to determine if it's "good enough."

heartfelt

thorough tribute fitting of his placement in the group artistically and spiritiually

rather than a chapter from the book of ?uest which he always writes about celebrity stories

He doesn't "owe" us or anyone else anything when it comes to speaking on his relationship with Malik B.

No one knows how he's processing this, so it's not our affair to judge if any response he gives is "heartfelt" enough.

But I guess its just an outgrowth of our social media culture.

Dudes gotta hire a PR firm to respond publicly to their friends' deaths these days.

People are essentially acting like psychic vampires, feeding off other's grief.

"No!!! That wasn't heartfelt enough!!! Give me moaaarrrrr!!!!"

from 2006 and beyond
there's a capacity to honor and celebrate your people openly.

I don't know and can't judge how grieves publicly for each individual person who passes. There may be some memories and emotions that he's not comfortable about sharing about Malik B. I personally don't know, and it's not my affair.

Again, it's not for any of us to say, "Well, you said X about Friend A, why couldn't you also say X about Friend B?"

Can you point to any post Quest has made about Malik’s artistic ability?

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

what matters, is as fans of the music and the legacy, some of us would hope to see a little bit more done for Malik B.

as individuals, we can all respect their own autonomy for their feelings and experiences

but a statement was put out and god forbid someone reads, takes in the words shared and has a negative experience with it.


i don't think ?uest or anyone in this post, hell even jaguar did anything egregious

we just would hope for more as a tribute to someone who was much more than a sometime collaborator

but they'll argue under my reply using baseless accusations and reaches while also calling people names etc. rinse, repeat

I just can't get past this website though.
How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement than this place?
https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man properly.

to mourn someone they knew and you did not.


You don't know anything about their relationship other than what they choose to tell you. They have no obligation to share anything.

Human relationships are complicated AF and those relationships only get more complicated as time pass and your life leads you down different paths.

I got homies who I thought were my NFL that I don't even want to speak to today and if I tried to explain to anyone what changed between us I don't think of us can articulate it in any way that makes sense.

When you think about what you are asking for you should see how freaking selfish it is because what you want from a people who have these complicated relationships with other people is the closure to satisfy you, not the actual person who had the relationship with them.

There is this new phenomenon where the internet will you attack you for choosing privacy over public displays and I hate it. It's pretty awful.



>I just can't get past this website though.
>How did got damn TMZ publish a more heat-felt announcement
>than this place?
>https://www.tmz.com/2020/07/29/the-roots-rapper-malik-b-dead-dies-questlove-black-thought/
>Not one mention of drug use, while also crediting the man
>properly.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

that I didn't make the distinction of my issue being directly with THIS GOT DAMN WEBSITE!

>to mourn someone they knew and you did not.
I knew Malik B, in my ealry 20s.

of all the atrocities revealed and discussed in this post, this is the singular topic you find disgusting.

In response to a website not honoring an individual who is part of the foundation of that site...you wriggle out a way to make it about you, as a justification attempt.

lifelong friend is an idiot.

shit, he don't have to let anyone in to his remembrance/grieving at all if he don't want to.

he don't HAVE to say shit.

that shit is hella personal, whatever is it or may be.

Flo Brown said some defamatory shit about The Roots in an OkayArtist post.
Questlove deleted it and left all of the other replies, with a blank space at that 15th numbered spot.
Then he created his alias.
...a hilarious inside joke right?
Now we find out what she was being silenced over, and the joke continues.

Jeezus

Wauw

connecting the fucking dots

y'all some fucking goofies.

edit: i have no opinion on whatever transgressions questlove has or hasn't made against Jaguar, Flo, or whomever. i wasn't there. i'm not privy to any of that shit. i'm sure quest has done some foul shit because he's just a human working a business where foul shit is not unusual.

however, to judge how someone remembers their people on their death is really no one's place.

YOU are the one overly concerned with that man's personal feelings.

Also, the actual individual with the beef is the person who this post is about. She's had plenty to say, if you choose not to listen fine but you're ignoring the reason why, she's explained in great detail why she feels the way she does.

You're acting like a whole huge part of this story isn't about how Quest remembered Malik B.

like, c'mon.

i'm out.

Everything about him is cornball.

No one should be surprised at that dumb ass stunt.

Extra weird now looking back that one of his girlfriends who actually was pretty dope used to post as mrs 15.

I wonder if she knew the history...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

SHIT

In this post. Holy hell.

Res and Santigold alluded to the atmosphere

Way different now

written by Santigold about her experiences

SantiGold = Santi White etc etc

the lyrics still hit different, like i said.

d

Got any links ?

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/talib-kweli-faces-sexual-harassment-accusations-from-former-protege-res-629864/

https://www.xxlmag.com/res-talib-kweli-sexual-harassment-allegations/

I’ve heard conflicting stories about who the song is about.. Black Though, Mos and Talib’s name have come up.

It’s written by Santigold and sang by Res.

Might be both of them telling stories about multiple dudes

On twitter I think?

On twitter I think?

if not decades of pain and hurt are behind her words in the videos.

I mainly wonder how long the bridges have been burned between her and the folks she's mentioning in her videos. Have to think ties have been severed for many many moons now.


Sadly enough, I have to think the shenanigans she's referring to are pretty commonplace given the access to money and fame that the music industry can bring and how that can change folks.

:-(

Reading the replies, I'm thinking, "I mean how bad is it really?"

I'm 23 minutes into this and it's really fucking bad. I don't know if it's all fair to say or believe - like that she made Okayplayer for example, but the toxic culture she was very obviously a part of is heartbreaking. I think everyone knew the Me Too movement would come for hip hop eventually...but I didn't see The Roots being part of that.

In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be. What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.

It's all just so fucking sad.

>In terms of the Malik B stuff...well, having a friend or
>family member who's an addict is just such a tough thing. I
>can't imagine having someone who is a business partner - it
>just adds another layer to how tough navigating that can be.
>What might be seen as turning your back on someone actually
>might be helping them. But I can't really disagree with how
>Jaguar feels...she was there, I wasn't.
>
>It's all just so fucking sad.

even though many of us on OKP knew these dudes weren't shit for the longest, even she didn't think of Common or Black Thought when she thought of misogyny and rape culture in hip-hop. They were all shielded by their Black power rhetoric. I was a bit young to really be in the mix back then, but I went to a lot of shows. I saw and felt things that made me uncomfortable, but could never really put my finger on it. I see the same ugliness from men in academia and in my political work and they usually get away with it.


I feel so badly for Jaguar, Flo Brown...even Jill and Erykah. Patriarchy/misogyny really needs to be understood by our entire community as a form of white supremacist oppression. Men really think that they have a right to a woman's body (and everything else). It's SO pervasive.

does Jill and Erykah silence confirms this?

or should we chock it up as to two resentful women didnt get to the level where two other successful women got to?

they like pussy as much as the rest of us. they just dress it up way better.

Sexual assault is not just about having sex with women.

You know this.

im just saying these conscious acts folks put on a pedestal because of their content aint no different than the rest of the their peers or the average person

cmon dogg...that all men shit aint flying wit even me...

Haven’t listened to this in a while. I’m sure most people here already know this but this woman was an absolute killer on stage. Heart of the City and Song Cry? Mary J is cool and all but there was no competition between those two on that night.

That one always stuck in my head.

when the stories are so familiar.

I'm glad she's speaking up.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Genuinely asking. I've seen nothing but support for her. I know it's hard for people to accept that artists are wildly flawed, but I personally hadn't seen people saying she's lying or something.

like, how she's doing this bc she's butthurt about how her career turned out. And the personal insults/problematic points/shots fired are deflecting from the point and that's what's causing people to doubt the validity/see what the purpose is.

Don't quote me on that, that's what I've gathered from IG comments and some Tweets, pretty much.


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

She's pretty clearly upset about how she was treated as an artist AND as a woman.

Feels like the lack of tributes and love for Malik B was the straw that broke the camel's back...but it feels like she's just had years and years of resentment for how she was treated and how her career turned out.

But yeah I certainly don't get the opportunist tag - and that's a shame people are even saying that. I don't think you'd air out ALL of these people if you were just wanting album streams.

She has every right as a human being to feel how she feels and say what she's saying, but let's not pretend it's for Malik. This post will live far longer than the RIP post, and in the real world they'll be talking about her revelations sans any mention of Malik B.

I’m not sure what she wants when she says until things are made right she will keep doing this

to just being about being upset about Malik and how she perceived the Roots poorly treating him.

But everyone is getting hit with the strays and while grief is expressed in a multitude of ways, since she made these accusations public (not like someone is illegally posting her private videos) I think it is okay for people to have thoughts about what she's saying in these videos, whether they are sympathetic to her or not.

I can understand how holding stuff in year after year can begin to swallow you and I personally am sympathetic to that but I just wish someone would take her aside and say "Not like this, sis".

the same people she feels didnt properly honor someone close to her:

- didnt call her when her son died
- did bad business by her
- allegedly did all sorts of other fucked up things

so it's all spilling out at once. for her to have not spoken for years speaks to a strength of character

so I can tell you what does or doesn't honor that person's memory, as an objective third party.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I know we got fake OK beef, but that's not real. Malik B is real. Jag is real. All of these people being dragged into this are living breathing human beings with families and friends and careers.

Like I said, Jag has every right to be in this space. But it objectively does not honor Malik B's memory to tell the world who Jill Scott fucked in high school.

But there is no circumstance where I would tell you about how to mourn your friend.


Because I'm not an absolute piece of shit and a fucking worm.

A piece of shit and a worm would do that.

I don't think that because you did it. We have no beef. It is simply true. Please stop embarrassing everyone who had a hand in raising you and act like a human being.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13396877&mesg_id=13396877&page=#13397085

You certainly lack an understanding of irony, as evinced by your post about people arguing on the boards.

But back to nuance, I'm not critiquing her grief, in fact I said she has every right to feel this way and say these things.

I made an objective observation about honoring one's memory.

If I die tomorrow and people wanna go do crack and have sex with hookers in my memory, that's cool, if that's how you grieve. But don't pretend you did it in my honor because that isn't indicative of how I lived my life.

Full stop.

There was no nuance in the linked post from you.

Pick a side and stick to it consistently.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

and it's all coming out..

I've had instances where something happened (especially family) and it triggers forgotten memories that have been suppressed in my brain subconsciously because of the pain... it happens..

obviously she had a lot held in... Malik's death, the pain, the memories, the regrets.. And with him gone and how he wasn't part of the group anymore.. she saw all the dumb shit but everybody else is silent..

that's a enough to drive people away....


It's not proper etiquette but I understand...

Most of us did not know how to express this view without coming off as "dismissive"

they didn't do any better than you

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

thebigfunk kinda nails this in the lesson thread

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=3026164&mesg_id=3026164&page=#3026171

And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped. This is not an “ok and?” situation. Even if you don’t like how she’s stating what she experienced do you have to be so cavalier? Damn.

adultery and shitty business dealings are nothing special in this industry.

>And the fact that Flo Brown and other women were raped.

that seems like Flow Brown's story to tell - i am 100% not OK with her putting out the story of someone else's sexual abuse. No one should co-opt someone else's suffering like that for their own ends. Just no.


RE: common, yes, thats a troubling accusation. But wrapping it up in this diatribe of grievances, both real and imagined, is doing her no favors.

or in other people careers
that shit was delusional

im not trying to cast doubt on the abusive claims she's making, but i would say...

A) it doesnt help her to mix those accusations in with delusions of grandeur RE: her career and impact

B) This is gonna go over like a brick but damn, I'd certainly like to give the accused a chance to respond to all this before i cast them all as complete pieces of shit based on one person launching diatribes from their car on IG

C) its really incredibly fucked up to co-opt other peoples abuse and tell their stories - that's not your place and it makes me question your motivation and integrity

Com trying to stick his dick in her mouth. Kweli watching women get dressed. Men 'accidentally' getting in your bunk. Opportunities being taken b/c you don't wanna fuck anymore. None of that is 'okay...and?'

They’re letting folks die i.e. Leonard Hubbard… will Ahmir write a fluff post when that happens too?

And now there are the rape allegations.

Even if this is all commonplace in the industry, how can this sit well with you? How is it not worthy of outrage?

huh? what does that even mean?

>And now there are the rape allegations.

look, theres gotta be a middle ground between cosby, where 83 women have to come forward before they are believed, and the other side of the spectrum where Jag accuses a grip of people of a grip of heinous shit and we all just fall in line.
She should be taken seriously, but this should also be just the start of this dialogue. I'd like to hear from the accused. I'd like to hear from other victims if this was so pervasive. And ideally the courage that Jag is showing here allows that dialogue to take place. But that doesn't mean every word she says should be gospel, or that there aren't other sides to this.

as have I.

was that because you felt like it was a part of something that's typical for the music industry


or was there supposed to be something more there


idk. these excuses feel very weak to me.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>as have I.
>was that because you felt like it was a part of something
>that's typical for the music industry
>or was there supposed to be something more there

the industry is the industry and i never had any illusions that anything was different about this clique other than the output.

then that's a choice you have to make for yourself

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

id like more info and perspectives on all this stuff, and i'd like anyone who did fucked up shit to be held accountable for it.
but i also dont think everything she's dropping is as black and white as folks in here would like to think
but your question was what drew me here, and it wasn't necessarily some higher ideal about who these artists were as people

were subjected to war crime levels of sexual violence


America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

shit is reaching gossipy people on Twitter who dont know her/Malik B's music and only care about the tea

in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be make this post go away

>shit is reaching gossipy people on Twitter who dont know
>her/Malik B's music and only care about the tea

I've been seeing exactly that. It's gossip and tea and drama to a lot of folks who don't know much or anything about the history.

>in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be
>make this post go away

ditto

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

>in advance, delete my account forever if the powers that be
>make this post go away

yup, mines too

d

...

if I posted on Russell Simmons' message board and he had the power to make allegations go away without addressing shit, that says everything I would need to know

I couldnt even respect anyone who continued to be a moderator here afterwards

All I got to say is, this is sad on all parts, theirs, hers, and all the people who cut ties with the band cause of personal & financial issues.

All the sexual shit like cheating, bad conducts, rape, groupie shit, porn watching, & etc. I've seen all that shit during HS & college, niggas will be niggas, like the saying goes "young, dumb, & full of cum", not saying it's okay, it's just apart of growing up, and I think all of them had a lot of growing up to do and probably learned their lessons, none of these record companies have a manual on how to behave yourself when you're a bunch of artists on tour, record labels don't give a fuck as long as you're making money for them and don't kill nobody.

Anyway I've always felt bad for Kamal & Dice, cause I felt Kamal has some dope production to bring the group back to their Geffen days but the two leaders isn't interested in hearing or want his input as much as James (who is dope artist in his own right, that EP he got on cloudsound is dope) but maybe Kamal is putting some ideas into the sound and I'm just grasping at straws.

To me Dice Raw has always been a dope emcee (even though I still feel like his solo album wasn't that great cause the direction of the production wasn't what I thought he was going to spit on), but to have him be a singing hook guy seems like a waste, but I guess if he's willing to sacrifice his rhymes to sing instead for a check & discount polo clothing, so be it.

When JW said that BT has been biting/stealing Malik's rhymes & verses and claiming it for his own cause Malik was doing a lot of freestyling in the studio and forgetting most of what he said, floored me, I wouldn't think the emcee people have loved for being so dope would stoop so low to do that but you got to remember if BT "has to" remember his rhyming partner's rhymes when they go on tour cause your homie don't want to show up or attend shows or tour but you have to give the audience & fans the full experience, I guess it's better to just cut out the middle man and use 'em, instead of it just being another dope verse on another unreleased song.

Yeah I agree, they should've done more for Malik but I think JW doesn't know the whole story cause if she cared enough she should've taken Malik out of his environment to help him; but I guess she felt she had to get herself straight before helping anyone else (damn she's been thru a ton of painful shit too), but this is going overboard to make "them/the band" give a proper tribute to their homie.

Also if there are young kats who don't know who Malik B. is then just tell them to listen to some early Roots albums, don't get mad they don't know, shit I know kats who don't even know or heard of most of the artists I consider dope (ex: Pharoahe Monch, Planet Asia, Elzhi, El Da Sensei, Chino XL, Saukrates, Rah Digga, etc.), it's like it's the artists fault, it's just how society is.

The whole Jimmy Fuckass thingie is hilarious as hell too, I'm sure he stopped doing the powdered snow right before he had his first kid, but now every time I see or hear his name I'm going to be thinking of that nickname, ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!

Jag’s reply about Thought having ghostwriters floored me. I talk a lot. I was speechless.

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

working out at home and talking with viewers while he warmed up.. Even shouted out RIP Malik, but no mention of anything else.

“When I die please don’t tweet about my death, trying to get rich... bringing attention to yourself”

While I think she has a story to tell she had a long time to tell it and I’m not sure this is the best way to do it. Maybe Malik B said wait until he passes to put it all out there but it feels like she is using his passing to get things off her chest.

I’m sure she is telling her truth but I’m not sure other people want her to speak on their business and personal decisions.

Nm

So we’re going to act like Jay doesn’t have a record of being opportunistic...

Ok

That's patently absurd

I think that’s pretty factual.

He’s the one telling others not to do that.

You can re-read your own post if you want. But what you think you meant vs what you actually said is pretty hilarious.


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But obviously you’re smart enough to know that.

I mean, the person I replied to clearly understood my point.

some of us see a hurt, betrayed woman who's experienced trauma on numerous levels, who even said she suffered a nervous breakdown holding all of this in


your take is a Jay Z quote about trying to get rich off of his name

shits wilde

I know people grieve differently but lashing out over the last 20 years and speaking on other people’s trauma by name is too much.

were Malik still amongst the living, she would still have ample reasons and opportunity to air out everyone for how they did her

something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and now she's letting her truth be known

call it loud, ugly, uncomfortable, overboard, bitter, even petty. she isnt being opportunistic though

>something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and
>now she's letting her truth be known

that would have brought all this to the surface?
thought's post was heartfelt praise for his partner in rhyme
Quest's anecdote was kinda stupid, but those are the kind of stories that get told in people's eulogies
i haven't seen anything about "how they treated his passing" that would make anyone snap.
thats not to say that his passing alone couldn't have been enough to trigger these floodgates - i imagine it was.
I disagree that she's doing all this for "opportunistic" reasons - but i do find a chunk of what she's talking about to be questionable both in motive and substance.

she feels it's justified and that he's been written out of their story

just asked you to explain what you meant:
"something snapped in her with how they treated his passing"

ok - how did they treat it?

with tributes and articles from his fans, friends, etc.

Maybe I’m expecting too much but I would think he would above the fold, first page press on this site of all places.

stuff like that could be in the works...
but ya, there certainly hasn't been a full-throated celebration of his life and contributions from the official channels of OKP whatsoever - fair criticism.
(speaking of, i need a hype-ass RIP Malik B mixtape in my life stat)

>with tributes and articles from his fans, friends, etc.
>
>Maybe I’m expecting too much but I would think he would
>above the fold, first page press on this site of all places.


and


>stuff like that could be in the works...
>but ya, there certainly hasn't been a full-throated
>celebration of his life and contributions from the official
>channels of OKP whatsoever - fair criticism.
>(speaking of, i need a hype-ass RIP Malik B mixtape in my life
>stat)


this is where I've been at. Can't expect it in other places, but the front page is the main spot where I too thought there were going to be more songs, stories, pictures, etc. gathered from a lot of people, not even just The Roots. Anything that revisited Malik's artistry and humanity. To teach us more about him and celebrate what we love. One of those full-page posts that didn't budge from the front page for a while.

And of course, like a lot of y'all are saying, we can't expect people to mourn the same or expect them to immediately write a book about someone in multiple IG posts every single day. We have no right to demand such a thing. Yet, as fans in the social media age, we're used to seeing so much more pour out from the artist's main affiliates to honor someone we listened to for decades. I guess that's the problem - we demand a lot more, a lot faster, than what is being prepared in the background.

Before I knew about Jag's IG Lives, I commented in the Streams of Thought Vol. 3 thread that I assumed BT was pushing back the original July 31st release date till sometime after Malik's Janazah on Aug. 1st to better prepare for a (musical) tribute with the rest of The Roots. And Black Thought had an interview with Take It Personal Radio a few weeks ago that just premiered on youtube yesterday. In it, he speaks highly of Malik as a person, brother, and emcee. So I guess we'll see.

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

There seems to be little connection between the current Okayplayer brand and the former Okayplayer band.

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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

>were Malik still amongst the living, she would still have
>ample reasons and opportunity to air out everyone for how they
>did her

Correct.. but since she waited until he passed to do it.
>
>something snapped in her with how they treated his passing and
>now she's letting her truth be known

Maybe.. it could be simply be anger over thinking part of the reason he isn’t alive is because they pushed him out the group. If it was one video I could see it as fried but she’s posting every day and dropping bombs until she gets what she feels is right. Which I’m not sure is even possible because more than likely it’s wanting to get back those 20 years.

>call it loud, ugly, uncomfortable, overboard, bitter, even
>petty. she isnt being opportunistic though

Well, i think she is using this opportunity to air everything out. I’m not sure anyone would want their passing to be the catalyst for this type of energy.

I’ve been trying to avoid this post after the replies started coming....

Twitter swipe

https://twitter.com/DICERAW/status/1290631331370733569?s=20

that's ALL he had to say? Lol.
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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

of all the inflammatory issues to absolve.
SMH

>

Speaking of..

does anybody remember this song?

Dice Raw "I Do What I Like"
from Okayplayer, True Notes Vol.1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKTesfCnYpw

lyrics:

I roll one up
See a bad bitch man, stroll on up
Ha ma
I'd really like to date ya
Knowing down inside I'D LIKE TO RAPE YA
Because
I'm really perverted
In South Africa you know kids get murdered
And if
That's my game, that's what I spit to the dame
They like the idea of dealing with a guy with a brain
But then
I'm sorta insane
But don't that's just how I do my thang

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welp

>
>---
>
>https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul
>
>
>welp

This track always stood out to me for that exact line like, "did he really just say that shit?"

Yes, yes he did.

“Sure, all of the sexual assault allegations are true but I’m drawing the line with the ghost writing allegation, how dare you say that?”

Maybe he has the decency to not use his long time friends' personal lives as internet fodder.

Why do yall think you get to demand anything from these people?

I’m pointing out a dumb tweet of his.

>Sure, all of the sexual assault allegations are true

y'all are wildin out in here
jag deserves to be heard and to speak her truth
but that doesn't mean everything she said is to be taken at face value, esp when she has mixed in some highly questionable shit along with what could very well be credible allegations
not addressing her accusations is not an admission of guilt

That’s not my point. If I get accused of murder, rape, and stealing a ham sandwich my response isn’t going to be “I don’t even like ham sandwiches.” If you think it was a good idea for him to tweet that I’m not gonna argue with you.

she was basically just saying Dice Raw lost his gifts as an emcee bc he's been hanging out ghostwriting w/The Roots too long. So that's what he addressed.
it makes complete sense that he wouldn't wade into this any further than she dragged him in.
If i missed where she was accusing him specifically of rape or sexual assault, then OK - but i dont think that part was directed at him.

even knowing he was abusive, because he got discounted Polo gear...going as far as to say that was his man and their stuff was between them.

Was Dice accused of being abusive? Rape? Assault?

he was accused of ghostwriting
which is what he responded to
but because he didn't deny a rape that he was never accused of he's an admitted rapist now according to Mak
folk on some bullshit in here

but I can see how she would be frustrated he stayed when she left but maybe Dice A prefers the stability of being in the Roots crew?

As far as the rape stuff. Yeah.. it serves no purpose for him to address something he didn’t do or witness.

but clearly a lot of your self value is wrapped up in playing defense on anything and everything that might be a problem

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and i stand by what i wrote - mak's insinuations in his posts are crystal clear - he's accusing him of guilt by omission

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who literally attacks people on these boards all the time for no reason whatsoever
so i understand why you would project that on me - but nah, no one here is attacking me, or has ever attacked me, besides you

TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

>
>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Mods here have ALWAYS been on some suspect cornball shit.

Like the first question on the mod app is “are you wack as fuck?”

>
>>
>>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely
>within
>>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>>toxicity. *shrug*
>
>Mods here have ALWAYS been on some suspect cornball shit.
>
>Like the first question on the mod app is “are you wack as
>fuck?”

are now trying to use the same hashtag to pretend to be victims.

it's perfect.



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that called cosby accusers liars?

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12699095&mesg_id=12699095&listing_type=search


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So shut the fuck up bro.

I'd say something about you but I have no idea who you are and I find your statement to be irrelevant.

There's nothing that comes to mind about what you said or who you are.

I hope that on some level, in some way, there are people who value you and are interested in your opinion. I am not one of those people and I do not anticipate ever becoming one of those people.

Best wishes in your future endeavors.

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Just be consistent or shut the fuck up

the messaging is very inconsistent and it's confusing for me.

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Or you can keep proving these people’s point...it’s on you bro.

when I ignored you.

but now that I know it doesn't I can keep doing it with a clean conscience.


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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

>who literally attacks people on these boards all the time for
>no reason whatsoever
>so i understand why you would project that on me - but nah, no
>one here is attacking me, or has ever attacked me, besides
>you
>
>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Lol. So on point

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Would be allowed to hold himself as holier than thou.




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Bruh... lmao.

I do however like that literally the only thing you think you have on me is from 15 years ago.

keep going.

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Outside her name and ran her off the boards.

It's also noteworthy that your response is "that was 15 years ago" while we talk about the behavior of men...more than 15 years ago.

It's just galling you didn't decide to sit this one out.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

it's also not what you claim it was.

because I didn't run anyone off the boards. and if you gave a shit about her beyond the way you imagine you could use that post against me, you'd know that we were friends when she was still posting, and still are now.

but you don't care about her as an actual person.

you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like

like an abuser does.

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Though you can't cite a single example of me being abusive to someone here?

And your response is you aren't an abuser, because she forgave you and you are friends now. Because no one remains friends or keep in their life abusive people?

I don't know her. But I will tell you this, I cared enough about her enough in the first instance to not speak to her like that (or mention her screen name now). At this point, I will be transparent enough to admit that I bring up that instance not because I am seeking justice for her, but rather I am trying to prove you are full of sh*t.


But You know what, don't sit this one out. I want you to keep talking about it.

Do you regret how you spoke to her?

Would you mind if I (or someone else) shared screenshots from that post to let others judge whether you were being abusive?

Do you regret how some time later you made a whole nother post joking about it? (the one where it sounded like you were going to apologize about it but you didn't). Would you mind if I (or someone else) shared screenshots from THAT post to let others judge whether you were making light of the matter?

You say you guys are all good now but you also say I am abuser with no evidence so, I am a bit skeptical. Anyway you can prove it?

Listen man, if you were serious about these issue you could speak honestly about it and answer or talk about the questions I pose, or you can be snarky, deflect and keep it moving like I pretty much bet money you will do.


Your call.







>it's also not what you claim it was.
>
>because I didn't run anyone off the boards. and if you gave a
>shit about her beyond the way you imagine you could use that
>post against me, you'd know that we were friends when she was
>still posting, and still are now.
>
>but you don't care about her as an actual person.
>
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't
>like
>
>like an abuser does.
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

you notice how when I mentioned that what you were doing is the same as what abusers do


you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuser?

and then you lied about me, and her, and everything that happened.

it's funny, someone mentioned this pattern earlier in this very post!

"C) its really incredibly fucked up to co-opt other peoples abuse and tell their stories - that's not your place and it makes me question your motivation and integrity"




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tell me more RJCC.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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you'd know that we were friends when she was still posting, and still are now.
^^

yeah I see it.

I thought chris brown shit was hitting women but maybe I'm confused.

y'all are so desperate

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post 314:
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like
>like an abuser does.

post 319:
>you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuser

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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

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post 314:
>you just want to use her and ignore anything that you don't like
>like an abuser does.

post 319:
>you started lying about how I claimed you were an abuseR

The contradiction is you accused someone of acting like an abuser does and then said they lied about you claiming they were an abuser.

Obviously if you said someone was acting like an abuser, they have reasonable grounds to think you’re accusing them of being an abuser

If someone said you’re acting like an asshole, they’re effectively calling you an asshole. .

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

because the post didn't say shit like what you claimed.

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like really, thats your response?
ok.

and your response was to lie about me supposedly attacking you.

that's all you have, because you really don't want to talk about how you were lying about what malik said.

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i stand by what i said about mak's posts - its all there for anyone to read and agree/disagree with.

>your response was to lie about me supposedly attacking you.

i mean, there are numerous examples of you attacking myself and others in this very thread, and every other thread you go into. No one bothered to stick up for you when i called you out on your behavior, but over half a dozen people were quick to co-sign. I just laid bare what everyone already knows.
You can keep pointing fingers, but you're the problem. You attack people. You insult people. You gaslight. You're toxic and mean for no reason. You are everything that Jag is speaking out against right now.

but you can lie about them, just like I said you would.

all because you imagined an accusation about someone you don't even know.

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in this very thread you've called people losers and abusers
you've derided my "self-value"

here are some greatest hits from recent threads
"congratulations on being a loser"
"you're a fuckin fool"
"you dumb shit."
"I can't even imagine how stupid you'd have to be"
"you're the dumbest motherfucker in the entire world"
"you should throw yourself into a volcano"
"look at this fuckface"
"they're losers just like you"
"your life sucks."
"you're an idiot."

literally none of those are attacks.

if you don't like factual statements that's not my fault.

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that you're ostensibly here to moderate, you've resorted to feigned ignorance of how the english language works.

>literally none of those are attacks.

Well that's checkmate to you, sir - i got nothing.

if you're upset on behalf of the lincoln project then that's on you.

you want words to mean something other than what they mean. this is not my fault.

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>many of those aren't even about specific people

in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already stated that opinion
they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to be moderating
moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and pettiness.
most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube comments would have booted you years ago.
on okayplayer you're a moderator.

which seems about right.

>>many of those aren't even about specific people
>
>in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the
>thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already
>stated that opinion
>they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to
>be moderating
>moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you
>openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and
>pettiness.
>most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube
>comments would have booted you years ago.
>on okayplayer you're a moderator.
>
>which seems about right.

.

or is about people who "have a certain opinion"

you can even maintain a logical thread in your own reply.

As I said at the beginning - I know you need to feel like you're being attacked.

the truth, that I don't care about you, is just a little too painful.

btw - anyone who supports white supremacists like the people who are behind the lincoln project should feel attacked, rejected, put down, dismissed, devalued and belittled.

sory bro, I'm not pro-white supremacist support and won't be.

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when there are literally hundreds of others where you abuse this community in the exact same way. I didn't even look hard tracking down all those examples - they were just from a handful of recent threads.

fact remains, not a single person in this community, that you supposedly represent, has checked me, or tried to tell me ive got it wrong about you. Which is really the saddest part of all - you've dedicated a couple decades of your online life here, and you don't have an ounce of goodwill to show for it.

You are nothing but a malignancy here.

it will serve you well and things will go great.

please post about it all the time I'd love to hear about how it works out


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.

>in those instances your insults were directed at anyone in the
>thread who had XYZ opinion - when numerous people had already
>stated that opinion
>they were wholesale attacks on the community you're meant to
>be moderating
>moderators by definition are meant to foster dialogue - you
>openly attempt to shut it down with insults, bullying, and
>pettiness.
>most forums aiming for a decorum anywhere north of Youtube
>comments would have booted you years ago.
>on okayplayer you're a moderator.
>
>which seems about right.

>TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within
>Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and
>toxicity. *shrug*

Dude unabashedly attacks any and everyone he disagrees with - follows/trolls them all across social media - and then makes it personal (yet almost always doesn't even know the person he's taking in real life).

Toxic AF


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you've friend requested me

if you're upset with how that worked out...stop doing it?

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as font eloquently said - that someone as abusive, disrespectful, and cowardly like yourself is empowered to be a mod here speaks volumes.

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because this is only true about one of us, and it isn't me.

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Of course - after dozens of people come in here to essentially say the same troubling things about how you conduct yourself - it's obviously everyone else's fault and you have nothing to do with it, right?

Keep that narcissist energy going playboy.

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24+ people have reported getting DMs from me? I would like to see it.


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>you've friend requested me
>
>if you're upset with how that worked out...stop doing it?
>
>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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Jag never said Dice was pretty for any of the sexual assaults, but did say Dice ghostwrote, so he probably just responded to her comments that directly named him.

You can criticize that as a choice, but there is some internal logic there: "I'm gonna speak on whether what she said about *me* is true"

Surely someone else from Malik's immediate crew would know?

Total side note: why didn't Malik collab with more Philly cats? He seemed street oriented and I could easily hear him on a track with anybody in State Prop...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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None of this should be addressed online.

that Dice is his "writing partner" and that Dice, along with Greg P.O.R.N., are essentially the "recording nucleus of The Roots." Take that as you will. But the influence is especially obvious on their past three albums (which I found incredibly lacking, personally)

"My manager, Richard Nichols, who also executive produces a lot of The Roots stuff, he works with Greg P.O.R.N., who’s an MC who’s always featured on Roots albums, and Dice Raw, Karl Dice Jenkins, who is just pretty much my writing partner, the three of them collaborate often on music that will become The Roots music before it’s officially Roots music. They’ll collaborate, as far as what their ideas are, for beats that may or may not work, and Dice will start coming up with choruses, and he’ll try and come up with a verse of his own, and P.O.R.N. usually comes up with one of the first verses out of our crew that I hear on any of our records. For all intensive purposes, they’re kind of like the – they’re the recording nucleus of The Roots . . . But, these – Rich Nichols, Dice Raw, Greg P.O.R.N., they’ve been actually working on this album for 3 years. It’s just weird. It’s a weird, dysfunctional – we’re like dysfunction junction. …but it works out in the end, kind of thing."

https://rapverbiage.com/2014/03/08/black-thought/

he described the "recording nucleus of The Roots" in pretty great detail there - and its a far cry from "ghostwriting"
i dont know how anyone can listen to dice spit a verse and listen to thought spit a verse and take that seriously.
Im not talking about hooks or song structures or anything like that - we all know what "ghostwriting" means and insinuates - and this ain't it.

this is a response to everybody's questions/responses under my reply.


I do completely understand the stance of, "why would/should he say anything further since the rest of it is not HIS story to tell?"

The thing is, given the slew of heavier accusations towards the group as a whole, we don't know if it was implied or not that Dice was on that tour bus too, allegedly carrying out or enabling abusive behavior because no one has really been singled out yet. We don't have a specific "whodunit". THAT is something much more serious and that's why I felt that only seeing the ghostwriting accusation being dismissed by him (so far), seemed trivial at first, compared to the bigger picture.


For those asking what else Dice did, she said it in her IG Live that started all this. Watch from 37:40-40:05 https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDTq_eHFNyS/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link


Side note - the writing partners thing was well known around here, no? I def remember reading and remembering that interview and hearing about it from them elsewhere. Don't lots of songwriters/rap groups in general do that? The "ghostwriting" thing itself didn't really stir me up, because yeah that def ain't it at all.


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"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

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https://twitter.com/DICERAW/status/1290723603374276612?s=20

https://twitter.com/enews/status/1290679476347691011

because “that man makes people millionaires”

if you're gonna call someone out, call them out.
this ain't festivus - if you're going to air grievances and accusations, i guess it's easier to make it general so no on can actually respond to you.

i want to believe her, and i want to hold those who did wrong responsible. But when you're airing out the stories of OTHER victims on the one hand, and being super vague on the other, its hard to take other allegations that may be more credible seriously.

but with all the shit she dropping, i can garaun-damn-tee you there are at least what i would call multiple versions or perspectives of the truth. I assure you that she may be speaking her truth, but other people's truths may not line up with hers.

But she doesn't have to address those discrepancies by making vague accusations like this

"yo that sister is crazy i never did anything approaching that"

or it could be

"that's something i did that im really not proud of and XYZ is why ive grown since then and you deserve my sincerest apology for my behavior"

or it could be

"i thought we had something between us that we clearly didnt in hindsight and i didn't realize she was asleep"

or it could be

"my issues with drinking in the past are well documented and i dont remember doing this but i absolutely could have and im ashamed"


etc etc etc. There's another side attached to that dick in her face, whether you want to admit it or not.

None of our fucking business.

im not the one who put this shit on blast

to King and Gratz high schools and some middle school on Allegheny in North Philly to get girls for him when he was recording at a studio in Philly.

I understand her feeling some kind of way about how things went down with her and these individuals but this is some other shit right here.

Let Malik B rest in peace if that's what this is really about.

Handle the rest of this shit at another time.

All this grief judging is some bullshit.

She's just popping off the whole clip and is reckless with it. Her pain is her pain but someone needs to sit her down and let her know that we all have stories to tell. I'm sure the people named have stories to tell.

Being in the business or even just being hood famous is some stressful shit. Especially these days when the past isn't the past. Social media has your business of blast 24/7. It's good in a sense but then it's not because not everything is meant for the consumption of people outside of the shit. Even the people in here talking shit have done stuff they're not proud of.

I hope she finds her peace man. I really do. But this ain't it.

>I hope she finds her peace man. I really do. But this ain't
>it.

What if THIS is how she finds her peace?

Or is it not "it" because YOU say it isn't?

d

Doesn't mean we all have to be down for it like this though. It sucks that some private shit can't stay private.

The reactions to this shit are wildly kneejerk and hypocritical too.

Like one of the other dudes way saying.....the fans are running with this shit and putting gas on it.

She has to know that this is going to be what happens with this.....wild wild overreactions about the drama and not really much care and compaassion for Malik B.

If her whole goal by airing shit out is to make people put some respect on Malik B name....I don't know if this is how you do that.

>Doesn't mean we all have to be down for it like this though.
>It sucks that some private shit can't stay private.

She isn't asking anyone to be down with it..she doing what the fuck she wants with information that she knows...and from the looks of it, she's keeping certain things private, as well.

>The reactions to this shit are wildly kneejerk and
>hypocritical too.

from who? everyone? or some people?

there's gonna be a whole lot of different reactions to it..again, Jag don't care. She's doing her. That shit is freeing as fuck and I see it in her eyes...this is bringing her peace.

>Like one of the other dudes way saying.....the fans are
>running with this shit and putting gas on it.

again, that's out of her control. it has nothing to do with her..people gonna do what they gonna do regardless.

that doesn't mean she should not be speaking her truth. the fans are not her responsibility.

to quote Jag, "I'm not making anybody do shit."


>If her whole goal by airing shit out is to make people put
>some respect on Malik B name....I don't know if this is how
>you do that.

maybe it is maybe it isnt...that isn't for you/us to decide though. She's mourning. Grief looks different for everyone. grief brings up shit that was buried

My husband died almost two month ago and i'm consistently surprised with how the grief is affecting me...i'm changed in ways i can't even articulate...

if her version of grieving him is anger,rage, and excorcism, then so be it.

d

Her shitting on any human (male or female) attached to the Roots success?

Her making everyone's sexual exploits sounds shady and scandalous besides her own?

Why hasn't anyone stepped up to corroborate her story?

Is Malik B's family in support of her crusade?

to share their experiences of abuse from The Roots Crew... says that dozens of women have contacted her... so... yknow there's that.

>to share their experiences of abuse from The Roots Crew...
>says that dozens of women have contacted her... so... yknow
>there's that.

She said she was never sexually assaulted by them, but she saw what happened to others.
She talked about how the stole a tour from her right after her son was born.
Talked about how they told people not to work with her.
Talked about being underpaid.
Talked about being gaslit.
Talked about not being supported after her od, and continuing to seek Polo discounts from her exhusband.
Talked about the lack of support after her son's murder.


Ya'll just hear what you want.

Up until this point I've gotten the feeling that Jag is spinning her situations with the Roots a bit but if more women are coming forward to tell stories of mistreatment I can only welcome and support that.

>She said she was never sexually assaulted by them, but she
>saw what happened to others.
>She talked about how the stole a tour from her right after her
>son was born.
>Talked about how they told people not to work with her.
>Talked about being underpaid.
>Talked about being gaslit.
>Talked about not being supported after her od, and continuing
>to seek Polo discounts from her exhusband.
>Talked about the lack of support after her son's murder.
>
>
>Ya'll just hear what you want.


I haven't really listened to the Jag IGs but have been seeing what folks are saying here and on twitter so this is as good as a summation of what the Roots did to her but do you think the things you just listed constitute abuse?

also, I didn't see people talking about her being a drug user but did I read you right and that she had OD'd ?




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

these were her close friends.
And one's who have built a reputation off being woke or whatever.
And she points out that other people got mistreated worse than her. Se points to Flo Brown, Malik, Hub and others.

And Buddy RE: her od
Jag says that she OD'd because her pills had been switched. The ones she thought she took are not the ones she ended up taking. She OD'd and woke up to find out that her husband had found her in a pool of blood and didn't take her to the hospital, didn't seek any medical treatment for her, just put her in the bed and left her there for like 26 hours. She would later find out that only a couple weeks earlier he had upped her life insurance policy, which leads her to believe that he tried to kill her. She told The Roots crew about this and the response was essentially "well that's between ya'll, he's still hooking us up with these Polo discounts"

She also says that her drug and alcohol abuse can be attributed to what she'd gone through over there years in dealing with them.

Whether all that amounts to "abuse" I suppose is up to your definition. But if your definition is the "continued mistreatment of someone over time," then yeah, i would say it is.

Then stealing her tour, is super fucked. She says she had a European tour lined up right after her son was born. The Roots apparently told her that she needed to go on the road with them. Then they told the promoters that she was going to stay home to raise her son, but they would do the tour for an increased fee.

She talks about how they stole her Pepsi promotion from her in somewat similar fashion.

Honestly, you should just watch the videos.

Friends fall out over business all the time and this is when you find out who your real friends are..

No shade to Philly niggas but... they a lil different. I lived there during her rise to fame and I was close with a number of producers and artist trying to get on. Niggas is grimy fam. Smile in your face, come to the crib to hear your beats and then steal your equipment a week later.

I don’t doubt any of her stories about the business side of things. I completely understand how she feels betrayed. You see how they did Jill. Wouldn’t sign her because of the way she looked. Didn’t believe she would sell records. Left Eve waiting for a limo that never came for the video.

That’s not abuse tho..

She even said she turned down more money because she was loyal to people who weren’t loyal to her. I believe it. But I mean... that’s the music biz. It’s ugly she should’ve taken that deal. I’m sure a lot of her frustration and regret is not putting her biz first.

Who was her manager? A lot of this really comes down to who her manager was because if it was the same manager as the Roots? Who you think brokered that deal for the tour without her for more money? It wasn’t Quest and BT. It was the manager.

>Left Eve
>waiting for a limo that never came for the video.

They told her a limo would come to pick her up and bring her to the shoot. She waited.. and waited.. and it never came.

can’t confirm if it’s true but.. she wasn’t in the video.

I always thought she *was* in the video but now I remember that she's, in fact, not.

Does the video even have her verse ? I can't remember. If it does who does her part, if anyone ?

https://www.okayplayer.com/music/jill-scott-erykah-badu-verzuz-you-got-me.html

Quest says the record label had the final decisions on both decisions for the video regarding Badu, Scott and Eve.

and it’s not like it couldn’t be true. It’s record label shit.

I fully understand Jill and Eve’s feelings but I wasn’t faulting The Roots for that.

That’s how record labels work. The Roots didn’t have any hits up to that point so in the landscape of 1999, it would be insane for the label not to push for Badu who was coming off of a big debut as opposed to an unknown Jill Scott.

I think The Roots actually did a great job of being Jill in tour and giving her that shine because when you went to shows you got introduced to the writer of the song and it was a nice touch to big her up. I think we all understood the game and the decision to put Badu.

As far as Eve, I did feel it was strange to not list her as a feature and to not have her in the video. But that’s something that was very likely the label’s decision as well. Why would anyone act like The Roots have a say? OutKast had 3 platinum albums and had to fight to keep the guitar solo on B.O.B. so why would The Roots have decision making power at that point?

And if the label sends a car for Eve for the video and it doesn’t show up, why is that The Roots fault. The Roots don’t have power at the label but at the same time I don’t think ?uest and Thought were responsible for arranging transportation for guest artists lol

how the industry operates.

When these stories are told it’s usually by someone who is mad at the artist so it comes off like the Roots made these decisions and not the label.

So when JW is saying this stuff it sounds fucked yo and it IS fucked up but people are just trying to stay in the industry. A lot of people can’t handle the way shit works so they walk away from it.

when we have these debates about new artist signing bad deals people don’t realize it’s either bad deal or no deal. My peoples in LA been burned more than a few times by “coworkers and friends” when it comes to publishing, credit, etc.

You will see 8 producers in the room and they are all trying to cut each others necks off to get on the record.

And I really don’t understand the Malik situation.

I LOVE Malik and think he and Thought were on the same level of Big and Dre and Ghost and Rae and Hav and P...etc.

I loved them as a duo.

But if you’re in a group and one member is not putting in the same amount of work, why do the rest have to go the extra mile for that one person.

I’ve been to multiple Roots shows in the Northeast and have never seen Malik there. So why would anyone expect his cut to be the same as the rest when their bread and butter was touring. That’s where they made money and he refused to go for whatever reason. It’s doesn’t matter if it was an addiction or just simply not wanting to be on the road. Bottom line is that he wasn’t there.

Also, he wasn’t on every song. Now that may be because The Roots played him and purposely kept him off but that has not been the story at all. It just seemed Malik was one of those dudes that did what he wanted and he wasn’t concerned with being a big time rapper. Like he did the shit on the side lol.

As far as the addiction, I think it’s pretty clear there was a problem there because all sides have said that. The issue seems to be how it was handled. Jag seems to think they didn’t do enough. But let’s be realistic. We all have friends with struggles and as you get older and life happens and your responsibilities grow, it’s harder to continuously help people in those positions, especially after you have tried and tried.

None of us are at liberty to say how much The Roots did or didn’t do for Malik and we can’t just sit here and take Jag’s word for it either. I just think we need to all be realistic and mature enough to understand how life works.

You are a group maintaining and trying to grow your popularity so you can keep making music and doing what you love and in order to do so, you’re on the road 300+ days out of the year. One member is deciding not to take part in that work. Who here would say “yeah you stay home and we will do all this work and at the end of the day we will still split the pie evenly”? Not one of us! On top of that this member has issues that they’re dealing with that you’re trying to help with but ultimately can’t seem to influence for a number of reasons. At some point, you can’t care more than the person.

It just seems like we have a hard time putting ourselves in others shoes and seeing the story from all angles. I mean, I just typed that and at the same time I am also shitting on ?uest in this post for other things. Right is right and wrong is wrong.

None of us have the entire story but certain things just don’t add up.

I will also add on that everything I said has nothing to do with her claims of the sexual assault, etc. as that is a different situation and a very serious one in my opinion. I won’t comment on that as the people involved need to sort that out.

Also, the Hub situation, if true is also some complete bullshit on The Roots part.

This ain't that place anymore fam. It's just insults, hot takes, and 'pick a side' culture.

depending on whether or not he thinks it's personally useful

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Folks up above said "Don't tell her how to process her grief!"

Yet, seems like a lot of the same folks are disappointed in 15's post for instance.

So...its okay to tell him how to process his grief?

Or Thought?

Or anyone who hasn't said anything?




Almost seems like some folks in here are excited to see it all burn down...which is...odd.


She isn't honoring Malik any better than anyone else from where I'm sitting. She is intent on burning it all down...and maybe she has good reason...but it isn't honoring Malik to do so.

All the Malik B love in my timeline lasted a day...then it was taken over by this.

Obviously, the sexual assault allegation is serious. And it should be treated seriously. And I want Com to respond. I don't want it to get lost in all of this.


Unfortunately, the assault allegation probably has been lost (along with any honor to Malik) in an absolute mess that has included other people's business, hearsay, in some cases telling on herself if what she says is true, and even something as silly as showing she either lied about ghostwriting or doesn't even know what ghostwriting is.


I really think for her sake and Malik B's sake she needs to really focus on what actually happened to her when she is ready to do so.

And yes, I'm offering my thoughts on what I think she should do.

While I'm at it, I'll also add that I was disappointed in the oils post.

But I'm scratching my head at "You can't tell Jag how to process this" and "fuck 15 and his oils post...I believe every word she says!"

I find that...weird.

*shrug*

>She isn't honoring Malik any better than anyone else from
>where I'm sitting. She is intent on burning it all down...and
>maybe she has good reason...but it isn't honoring Malik to do
>so.

- honoring of the deceased
- venting and airing our grievances (after the first step wasnt done properly in her eyes)

most can agree he's been written off as a footnote in their history, Jag took that personal. again, she's had ample opportunity to speak out for some time. their mishandling of Malik's passing had her take us deep into the rabbit hole

>Obviously, the sexual assault allegation is serious. And it
>should be treated seriously. And I want Com to respond. I
>don't want it to get lost in all of this.

Where, when doing press for the book, he talked open and often about how people need and deserve to heal when they've been assaulted, etc.

I'd be interested to see what he has to say about this in light of all that. And obviously most importantly, assuming it's true, so that Jag can get some clearly-needed closure to that situation.

at least of the main folks that she's did stuff to her. they'll asked about, but won't offer anything that's not being 'nice' to Jag. They won't throw her under the bus, but I doubt they'll directly address any of this without force.

All the preaching they do, especially someone like Comm who I always believe has practiced what he preached.

Would be disappointing for them to full on dodge.

.

for people who got here late, someone attached to this story aired out her grievances as reply 15 years ago and got deleted/banned

then the drummer made that his username

even the prelude to the Do You Want More Ursula Rucker poem about treating a woman disposable doesnt sound like fiction anymore

we may have been blinded to a lot because of dope beats and rhymes

and I really didn't know. Well, I thought I asked years ago but completely forgot. It was after I referred to him as that on my first reply here.

Yeah somebody else said the same thing about that song.
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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


"She was on that tip about stoppin' the violence
About my people she was teachin' me..."

Seems like 100 years ago.

I’m late to the game on this JW stuff, but damn. Always a horrible look when you face those accusations.

Any chance this gets an investigation?

on why she wasn't in the You Got Me video. All I know is Quest saw my question in one of these forums - either here or Lesson and he went on this weird convoluted explanation about timing, obligations and contracts and whatnot. I'm talking like 15 years or more ago in here. It was just weird. I need to see if it's in the archives.

only one I have see so far is the link in the OP

instagram dot com backslash jaguar wright

to view photos and videos on computers"

https://manualdousuario.net/instagram-photos-videos-unlogged-on-computers/

Along with the link above, I found the link to the one where she tell the Common story last night and I watch the whole thing. At this point I think I don't want to watch anymore, lol. It left me feeling sad worried about her.

>Along with the link above, I found the link to the one where
>she tell the Common story last night and I watch the whole
>thing. At this point I think I don't want to watch anymore,
>lol. It left me feeling sad worried about her.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CDZG3yqFgq3/

At first I assumed she'd mixed her up w/Erykah but then she brought up Erykah right after, saying "then after her it was Erykah .." or whatever.

damn this shit has reached s u n a j levels?

I believe her.

Uhmmmm dunno if I'd agree w/that, generally.

Wonder if this is in reference to this ? And/or the Twitter situation

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDhUmdig-Oc/?igshid=1b6nvj25or9v4

This does remind me though that nobody gave Azaelia Banks the "believe black women" treatment when she accused Chappelle of some bs. I wonder why Jaguar's stories have more veracity.

And it comes to mind obviously because of the timing.

she's more current in this social media age. Jag isn't as well known and has largely be absent to most people.

Which kinda further proves your point, of course. Ha.

I can't believe you devolved into this shell of a man

She said Dave slept with her which is an accusation of infidelity, which, last time I checked, isn't cool. But maybe that's just my hotep-centered nuclear family bias coming out.

I'll do better.

And if the rest of these niggas ya'll fuck with is the example, I'll take being a "shell of a man" any and everyday.

crackheads lol

unless it WASN'T consensual.

Nothing Banks said gave me the impression that she was coerced into anything.

She did accuse the RZA of 'not protecting (her)' when ol' boy allegedly spat in her face, but that's different.

because as crazy as Azealia is, she is cute. and crazy girl sex is the best.

and lying abut being bipolar

Yeah.. I’m not sure I believe her on the Dave info.

She also just shaved all her hair off.

egos, insults and dumb shit have trumped this woman's pain

only transferred or changed. 1st law of thermodynamics.

This post is the living manifestation of that law. We are all an extension of her energy.

She dealt in ego (I made OKP popular, other artists tried to be like me and couldn't)

She dealt in insults (Thought stole his rhymes, Dice has been relegated to hooks, Jill fucked her manager in high school, etcc)

So why should we be surprised that this post, which is now more than 3 times the size of the RIP post, is an extension of that same energy?

And, to be clear, her energy is a reaction to the way she's been mistreated and slighted and abused over the years, or at least her perception thereof. So it's all connected.

That 1st law of thermodynamics framing is just bad window dressing.

You listed the things she "dealt in", i.e, ego and insults, as though either have ANYTHING to do with what happened.

Then, you acknowledge that her "energy" stems from her experience...as though you didn't just shit on her reaction, while treating the actual experience- literally the only part that matters- as an aside.

Psst- if you gave a fuck about her experience, you wouldn't be delving into lazy, halfbaked, backpacker/stoner "science" bars to disguise the simple, obvious fact that you're searching for character flaws in the victim, rather than finding fault in the things that she says happened.

But nah- you came in with "energy" and "1st law of thermodynamics" like that shit had weight.

You're in here like JW Lucas talking to Rizza Islam about Breonna Taylor, talking about the fundamental laws of reality and quantum mechanics.

Take that empty rhetoric to a murky, boom bap piano beat.

And I don't know who you're talking about.


>You listed the things she "dealt in", i.e, ego and insults, as
>though either have ANYTHING to do with what happened.

I'm responding to a comment about this post, not a comment about the what happened to Jag. I didn't say or intimate that anything she said had anything to do with what happened to her. I pointed out that the rhetoric she participated in mirrors what the commentor is complaining about in this post, so it shouldn't be a surprise.


>Then, you acknowledge that her "energy" stems from her
>experience...as though you didn't just shit on her reaction,
>while treating the actual experience- literally the only part
>that matters- as an aside.

This post is a response to Jag's posts. When the people she's accused of these wrongdoings made public statements, then I'l' comment on that. But her words and actions aren't beyond scrutiny because you perceive her to be a victim.

Not sure how anyone can be on some “she’s being attacked”

People are questioning if this was the best way to grieve for Malik B.

this post could have stayed normal if normal people were posting here

I had an exchange with Binlahab towards the top that didnt end up productive, but it was mostly a disagreement on the topic at hand

to blame this post's direction on Jaguar is strange and not holding people involved accountable

it would have went like this no matter what the topic is, because niggas are weirdos

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDh91YAlKWj/

I wonder how she feels about her private business being broadcast to the world

It seems like Jaguar isn't in touch or hasn't spoken to her in awhile but she talking about her being a "23 yr old virgin", and being assaulted by someone in the Roots and "never the same afterwards"

I get airing out the dudes, but it doesn't make sense to me to bring up FB if they haven't discussed it beforehand. seems like she hasn't talked to FB in years. Jag's carrying some guilt about not speaking on it in the moment.

I also don't think it was wise to bring up Erykah or Jill.

Guess they'll just let the elephant stand there.

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

i'll probably try to log into the next Zoom on WCW and give that feedback to the "room"

d

https://www.instagram.com/p/CDmF0FllcBd/

smh.

these vids are all over the place.

So the Roots aint shit......and Badu....and Jill......and basically anyone associated with Jags career but Bill Cosby was innocent?

A RAPIST.

Ok.

I hope you arent using either to imply her stories dont hold weight or lack truth

That's a fairly immature way to say you disagree with her stance.


>I hope you arent using either to imply her stories dont hold
>weight or lack truth


What? Have any of his other responses indicated that he's implying that? Because it's not there in the post you're replying to.

Philly has a weird thing about defending him
it's poor logistically

introducing Jaguar's defense of him into this post is probably attempting to damage her credibility regarding The Roots

Jag has called out a gang of people, including other women, for lying & cheating & plagiarizing & adopting her style & stealing rhymes, etc.

The basis of this whole episode has been that the legacy of the Roots/Spitkicker/Soulquarians era was built on a lie.

So why is it now a problem, to you, that she called the Cosby accusers liars?

This is what happens when you lead with an agenda. You lose integrity.

>Jag has called out a gang of people, including other women,
>for lying & cheating & plagiarizing & adopting her style &
>stealing rhymes, etc.
>
>The basis of this whole episode has been that the legacy of
>the Roots/Spitkicker/Soulquarians era was built on a lie.
>
>So why is it now a problem, to you, that she called the Cosby
>accusers liars?

1) "everything you've believed about these musicians is a lie"

2) "60 women who called this guy a rapist" are all lying

if you cant see the difference, this is a discussion we dont need to have


>This is what happens when you lead with an agenda. You lose
>integrity.

point out my agenda in this post. I believe her about The Roots and I think she misspoke about Bill Cosby

.....by the other guys.

Shit.

That hit me. Hard.

she said she started a relationship with someone in Wu-Tang to be "left alone"

that doesnt mean violating consent was a regular thing

And I suppose the word “rape” is a bit harsh.

But to be ‘left alone‘, in my interpretation means — to avoid being sexually harassed or left vulnerable in a room full of men who have no self control.

Either way... it’s a lot to take in.

And shout out to Cam for reply 246. I never knew that "15" story about Quest and Flo Brown. The allowance of toxic moderation on this site was always a little confusing to me. Thought it was a matter of the site creators not knowing about it. Now we see that rjcc is indeed OKP-sanctioned toxicity. Very hard to believe mofos were ignorant about Abiola Oke and his shenanigans all these years with all these pieces coming together.

As for Jag and the main topic at hand, I haven't spoken on it because I tend not to have very strong views on how people react to being done wrong, bullied, coerced, cheated, etc. Just do people right and don't be an asshole. You never know how people will respond.

But the same old shit will continue on this board. No wonder hardly anybody comes here anymore.

in order to try and feel happy.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>But the same old shit will continue on this board. No wonder
>hardly anybody comes here anymore.

> Now we see that rjcc is indeed OKP-sanctioned toxicity.

Big facts. He won't acknowledge that though. He'll just copy one of his standards from reply 331 and follow his usual playbook. He can't do better.

33:22 is when she says that. https://open.spotify.com/episode/4sObDnQdAOl206pMdkXnDL

Jag was on the "Hip Hop Uncensored" podcast yesterday (August 7th). The audio is available everywhere else you listen to podcasts, but I posted the Spotify link above.


"If people want me to shut up, two things gotta happen: Shawn Gee needs to turn over his books to the IRS and make it right with everybody he used and hurt and resign from The Roots coalition altogether, Okayplayer Watch Your Back , You RESIGN Shawn Gee! And then I'll leave the boys alone. Because see what I really want, is YOU. That's who I really want. I want YOU, Shawn Gee. Everybody else is collateral damage, and it's your fault!"

"He's their financial advisor... takes care of all the booking for shows."


She spoke just a little more about how things popped off because of Malik's death (and how he's still not being honored properly by Com, Erykah, Jill, Quest, and even Riq) in this too.


Idk if y'all had this understanding from the jump, but a lot (and from this revelation, most) of the hurt from The Roots she's expressed is about Shawn Gee and Keith McPhee, and some things about Quest, Dice, and Riq, and fewer things about Kamal. No one else has been mentioned/associated with anything.

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https://twitter.com/MeeshUniVerSoul


welp

So it comes down to money?

She’s upset about the people charge of fund distribution?

>"If people want me to shut up, two things gotta happen: Shawn
>Gee needs to turn over his books to the IRS and make it right
>with everybody he used and hurt and resign from The Roots
>coalition altogether, Okayplayer Watch Your Back ,

This seems like a normal thing, a business calls the IRS and says "Hey, here are my books - I am going to turn them over to you now. Thank you."


>You RESIGN Shawn Gee! And then I'll leave the boys alone.
>Because see what I really want, is YOU. That's who I really
>want. I want YOU, Shawn Gee. Everybody else is collateral
>damage, and it's your fault!"

Also, completely legal AND cool. Like when someone in a movie (hero? ) says "I'll kill her, and then everyone one by one until you tell me where the Maxwell circuit is." Then the hero? kills someone and turns to the crying person and says "That was YOUR FAULT!!"

>She spoke just a little more about how things popped off
>because of Malik's death (and how he's still not being honored
>properly by Com, Erykah, Jill, Quest, and even Riq) in this
>too.

Well I guess she'll be satisfied as long as the IRS has the books turned over to them.

This seems like a simple matter to settle now that there are clear instructions.

used to post here and he and I had some interesting side convos and he was one of the few early "in charge" people that was actually reasonable

I watched about 25-30 minutes of her first video anI couldn't keep watching. It was painful to watch and listen to. You could hear the pain in her voice.

Was all of it true? Only she and them really know, but obviously something happened at some point to make her this hurt this much. I hope she can heal and all involved can make things right with her in some way.

And if she was sexually assulted or raped or other women were mistreated in some way, as much as I loved that era of Music, The Roots, Common, Talib all of that....I hope dudes pay for that. No one should be violated like that period.

This is all just tough to stomach though. Maybe because I always thought this crew was different. I felt like a piece of my high school and college years died with her post.

>And if she was sexually assulted or raped or other women were
>mistreated in some way, as much as I loved that era of Music,
>The Roots, Common, Talib all of that....I hope dudes pay for
>that. No one should be violated like that period.
>
>This is all just tough to stomach though. Maybe because I
>always thought this crew was different. I felt like a piece
>of my high school and college years died with her post.

It seemed like many of these artists always felt the need to fit in. Common spent verse after verse dissin’ “wack shit” and then would turn around and give people props that fit the mold of who he was dissing in interviews. Even since the interlude going into Stolen Moments, when they’re talking about hoes and how dope the Master P movie was. Shit just didn’t fit the conscious image they were trying to have. And I’m not saying everyone is perfect but it just came off that they didn’t really know who they were and they were just trying to appeal to both sides for their own benefit when it was convenient.

Kweli is the same way. As soon as he caught that backpack title, he tried his hardest to lose it. Like he didn’t want to “just be a conscious MC” as if he had to prove he was hard or that he was from Brooklyn. Shit always came off corny to me.

And by no means am I siding with Jag and taking her at her word. If they did some shit then yes, I agree, they need to pay for it. But my comments above aren’t exclusive to Jag’s claims. Just how I’ve felt about their flip-flopping for a long time. Always came off as fraudulent to me.

I feel like that’s why I always like Black Thought the most because he seemed to just stay the same. People say he lacks personality but to me, he seemed like a normal person who was intelligent but from the streets and played his role. The others at times seemed like they were confused.

But shit, what do I know?

So we can’t really be shocked he liked a Master P movie. Most people just like seeing a rapper in a movie. It prolly inspired him to get into acting.

I never liked any of those rapper movies but I get the appeal.

I agree with you on “conscious rappers”... I’ve met a ton and most of them are funny style. I’ve always had more enjoyable experiences with a DMX, Fat Joe or Redman...

Master P was the exact type of rapper Common was shitting on with all of those “fake hip-hop” “wack MC” lines.

>So we can’t really be shocked he liked a Master P movie.
>Most people just like seeing a rapper in a movie. It prolly
>inspired him to get into acting.

How many rapper movies have actually been anywhere close to good?

That logic is lacking. LOL

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

but I’m not surprised a Midwest dude would like a Masta P movie.

>Maybe because I always thought this crew was different.

I know better now, but I guess I still hoped that this wasn't like everywhere else.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

y’all heard daddy lol

...looking for Dice Raw
https://www.instagram.com/p/CD1Zy4pFpU4/

.

So stupid, shit is pathetic now

everytime he post or reply with 15ok, we should ask where flo brown at until he change it back to qoolquest. The perverted joke has gone on long enough

after Jag insinuated Sum was "touched". *smh*

https://uproxx.com/music/summer-walker-repsonds-jaguar-wright/

Summer Walker Responded To Jaguar Wright’s Claims That She Was ‘Touched’

WONGO OKON
AUGUST 16, 2020

Nearly two weeks ago, following the death of The Roots member Malik B, a video that found singer Jaguar Wright accusing Common of sexual assault re-surfaced on social media. Emotional and distraught because of the situation, the video describes the night in question. Continuing to speak on Common as well as The Roots and other members of the industry in an interview with RealLyfe Productions, Wright offered her advice for women in the industry and how they should protect themselves.

Despite her intention with the interview, her comments on Summer Walker were not received well as the “Come Thru” singer caught wind of them and issued a response.

“My advice to any female who wants to get into this business? Have a thick skin, do not drink alcohol. Never get high in front of anybody,” Wright said in her interview around the 30-minute mark. “Keep somebody close to you that you know at all times, Summer. Has anybody bothered to ask why she all of a sudden become claustrophobic and couldn’t perform anymore? Because she had anxiety? Yeah, she got anxiety cause somebody touched her.” Wright later admitted that could not confirm that any harm was done to Walker, but said “I can look in a woman’s eyes and tell when she been touched.”

Responding to Wright’s interview in the comment section of an Instagram post by The Neighborhood Talk, Walker said, “1. I ain’t never been “touched,” I’m a child of God, I’m highly protected and highly favored honey ain’t nothing EVER happened to me, fortunately, I’ve been beyond blessed enough to never have to experience no shit like that. 2. A mf would definitely get clapped, knocked off, anyone who ACTUALLY knows me knows that.” Walker would issue two more points in her response.

3. I’m a highly intelligent introvert and PREFER to not interact with plp cause a a lot mf’s throwed off, like you, your a prime example of why I don’t have time. & 4. You weird AF, you don’t make something up as serious as RAPE about someone you don’t even know and then try to blast someone about it. I need you to be more productive with your time & platform I don’t know you but I expect more from you. You a woman , a fellow black woman at that like what type of time is you on ? For some clout? chile bless your spirit ima pray for you today.

Aside from her comments Walker, Wright has also spoken on her experiences with the likes of Talib Kweli, Jill Scott, Erykah Badu, and others.

Earlier in the thread people were wondering if Jag even had permission to speak on what happened to Flo and I wondered that too and just assumed she wouldn't speak on it if she didn't but now reading that she said Summer was "touched" which is not only untrue but also I imagine if she wasn't pressed on how she knew probably wouldn't have confessed she didn't actually know...

All this makes me think she more than likely didn't get permission from Flo and if not that is just extra fucked up.

Extra fucked up too be saying what she said about Summer too.

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>
>All this makes me think she more than likely didn't get
>permission from Flo and if not that is just extra fucked up.
>
>Extra fucked up too be saying what she said about Summer too.
>

she definitely didn't get flo's permission to air her personal business. she was asking flo to get in touch with her or if someone could reach out to her if they knew where she was. that was super fucked up.

....analogizing. JW isn’t mentioned by name. But she left it open to interpretation.

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CECtlvSHSPx/?igshid=73ny0a6eq3lt

down with you tho..

Newest bits:

She wants a verzuz against Mary J. Blige.
Has an IG video telling MJB that she sung her own song wrong (All That I Can Say)
Claims MJB is secretly gay.
Claims Christopher Williams gave Diddy head and they are both closeted.


*sigh*

At this point I just feel bad for her, and this is not about Malik B anymore. I think she needs healing and perspective.

Also, she got called out by Summer Walker for speaking on things she didn't know about. She keeps selling wolf tickets, and who knows whats after that.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

She's letting her numerous beefs supersede her talent.

I have to wonder how long she's burned all these bridges since it appears she has no shame in name dropping so many folks in a negative light. I'm sure she's been written off by many a person in the industry because she's seems to be inflicted with the bug of Keeping It Too Real to paraphrase that Dave Chapelle sketch.

sounds like she's looking for something to stick and gain traction with mainstream media outlets.

so far, the only ones giving this any attention are the d-list podcasters and youtubers.

everyone she's accused and talked shit about has been on radio silence. prolly knowing well enough if they do, is when mainstream media will start paying attention.

but her batshit rant about Monie Love and her kids was disgusting.

and her apology to tiffany haddish was odd as fuck.

her cbd aint helping either.

its sad to see her do this and not put out new music.

her talent is better than this.

maybe it was because she was a hateful, messy and down right jealous of anyone else in her profession?

>maybe it was because she was a hateful, messy and down right
>jealous of anyone else in her profession?
>

but she was pretty clear on why she's doing this.

the problem is her accusations has held no one accountable because so far there's no receipts to back her claims. and none of the accused has directly spoken on it.

plus that diddy, chris williams, MJB stuff isn't even necessary and the monie love rant was fucking gross. shit like that it makes it more difficult to take her seriously.

when millennials are minimizing her to washed up backup singer, its a problem. and a shame.

because jw's talents and work in show business is official imo.

Her original beef and complaints were legit...? and the Roots likely did Malik dirty in many ways...especially in light of the handling of his passing and how they devalued his contribution to the Roots success..and they bear alot of responsibility for how they've treated the women that were in their cipher at that time. It's very disappointing and disgusting that they've not answered for all that in any way.

However, she has sadly shown herself to also be a meanspirited, cruel narcissistic troll who doesn't want the spotlight to turn away from her now that its finally on her. Folks understandably don't want to work with her and she's making it worse every day.

And it seems that the Roots are just sitting back and letting this blow over since it seems like she has discredited herself in the aftermath...they can skate thru without addressing her original, valid concerns.

which is shitty.

I feel bad for her, but what i know about narcissist is: they think they are right. all the time.

d

And I believed everything she said initially. I know grief is handled in different ways, but now I want her to get off social media and unpack this shit in private. She is gaining nothing from this.

there's no rationalizing it, but the mentality is likely "the world ignored my talent, now they're paying attention to my rants"

wanting/needing to feel a sense of public validation takes people to scary places

Keep applauding the show. Malik is looking down, undoubtedly honored.

her initial pain was valid and now she's out of line

her initial targets were acceptable.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

and I'm a Morehouse grad and a member of Omega Psi Phi.

He's a moderator for a white-owned website that mistreats its black women employees and allows him to move freely on this site calling black people "losers" and acting generally like a Trump supporter.

Between us, who's more likely to be white?

n/m

Because, let's be honest, I could say "I'm black" 1000 times and mufuckas would still say I'm white just on some message board shit.

We need a longform birth certificate, a CURRENT passport, and financial receipts from the last 5 years showing that your hot sauce purchases totaled 3 or more times than your mayonnaise purchases.

but since it is an issue on and off the board why leave it unanswered.

You're on some nut shit, but a white man, you are not.

Unlike the people in this post who lack integrity and were all in on this bullshit when it was just targeting black men, but at soon as it migrated to other people they jumped ship.

My only agenda is truth. Yalls agenda is clear.

JW was hurt on a personal level, now she's stooped to attacking innocent/unrelated people

Not her targets?

Jag might have an agenda. people posting here do not

You doing everything but saying “I’m Black”

and, yes, I'm very satisfied with myself for referencing your own post in this fashion.

but this is a super weird series of responses



www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>but this is a super weird series of responses
>
>

So "ok white man" was just snark ?

Threw a molotov then ask why is the building on fire.

https://www.google.com/search?q=cipha

https://www.google.com/search?q=rjcc

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

fuck outta here with that

he said what he said.

d

He judged the "validity" of her pain and concluded that her pain was no longer valid and now she's out of line.

I reinterpreted that horseshit into what he really meant. Her pain was "valid" as long as you agreed with who she directed her pain's vengeance.

Then she switched up and now that same pain & vengeance is off-putting.

That's garbage on every level and it comes from a refusal to be honest with yourselves.

>He judged the "validity" of her pain and concluded that her
>pain was no longer valid and now she's out of line.

her initial source of pain still makes sense

>I reinterpreted that horseshit into what he really meant. Her
>pain was "valid" as long as you agreed with who she directed
>her pain's vengeance.


Im not here to assign importance to anyone's grief, I empathize with mental health. she started lashing out at people who personally slighted her, now she's randomly going at anyone for attention


>That's garbage on every level and it comes from a refusal to
>be honest with yourselves.

what am I not being honest with myself about

You got it bud.

someone close to her died, that's traumatizing
trauma takes on different forms. she chose to air out a laundry list of people who she says did wrong by her and the deceased.


this newfound spotlight has her tripping harder and while the rants come from the same place (mental anguish/instability), they no longer make sense

you seem to think she's wrong in both instances, and while that's subject to opinion at least I understand her starting point


if you watched Breaking Bad, she's become Heisenberg

I thought after the 3rd or 4th video it was a bad idea to keep hyping her up.

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13396877&mesg_id=13396877&page=#13398003

But I still be checking this post though lol....




"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

I have nothing else of value to add to this post

Imma leave now

https://youtu.be/UqgdYubn0gI

initial grievances. those will be forgotten as long as keeps doing more of these. they may not even looked into because she's taking attention away from them herself.

what's the point of all this extra? how is this helping her?

edit:
the original vid came out in early August.
https://youtu.be/y0OFCKbMAXo

>initial grievances. those will be forgotten as long as keeps
>doing more of these. they may not even looked into because
>she's taking attention away from them herself.
>
>what's the point of all this extra? how is this helping her?
>
>edit:
>the original vid came out in early August.
>https://youtu.be/y0OFCKbMAXo
>
>

That's all she wants right now imo. Attention. This current version of her is a narcissist and she is doing alot of this because she feels like her career didn't get enough attention. Maybe she wasn't always like this, I just don't know her personally.

Malik's situation may have triggered her because she feels like he was pushed aside in a similar fashion. But the way she was trying to pull other people into this mess who were trying to move on with their lives showed me what she's about early. It wasn't about Malik.

Still the situation tugs at a lot of heartstrings here. Seeing these natural talents being cast aside is a bit alarming. I understand the Roots thrive off of preparation & routine but talent is talent. Jag is still more charismatic than most. Malik could rock a mic without a script. They had one of the greatest female rap talents under the helm but that went sour quickly and that person seemingly disappeared from the entertainment biz. The OKP/Black Lily/Motive thing could have been so much greater, and she is a reminder of how things fell apart.

Some people don’t know how to level up.

Not a knock on anyone but the industry is a monster and some people aren’t built for the grind.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

Sounds like jealousy and envy mixed with deep pain over her son. She needs help. Bringing a camera to go meet her son who didn't want to come outside was fucked up too. Hes just a kid.

While I def believe those tour busses were filled with some illadelph wild shit...

it always felt like the core of her frustration was not taking that deal because she was loyal. That was bad business on her part.

Also we have to remember cussing up and down tracks wasn’t seen as a good investment for a female R&B neo soul singer back in the early 2000’s.

people acknowledged that she's gone away from her original goal. CIPHA keeps mentioning that like it's a valid point

followed by

“yeah.. she went to far”
“well the Cosby stuff.. but besides that”
“Oh.. ok, I can no longer defend her”

Please feel free to tell me how you did none of these things and I will reply “when did I imply you did?”

every result (aside from one person who didnt agree) said she's bitter and she has a right to be

you dont comprehend that two things can be right at the same time

i.e. her rage towards people that harmed her is legit and she's out of line in other ways

She had sympathetic ears and empathy early on.. and she ruined it with the constant bashing, character assassinating and airing out of innocent bystanders.

>Also we have to remember cussing up and down tracks wasn’t
>seen as a good investment for a female R&B neo soul singer
>back in the early 2000’s.

I remember liking her first album but thinking all the cussing was taking away from the music a bit. Nobody wanted a Millie Jackson revival. And it takes away from the timelessness of the music.

I also remember her cussin' her ex-hubby out in the liner notes, and here was are almost 20 years later and she's still railing about him. I know people's processes for healing are different, but now I'm starting to wonder if she has a process at all.
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"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

https://youtu.be/z-cn3-Hx6wI

While he has a right to defend himself it still looks messy af to bring up all her ugly.

Shoulda just let her fade to Black.

Talib's?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

then there's also Res

i.e. she isn't the first person to make allegations about his character

I only made it 5 mins into his video reply

Seemed like he was comfortable with questioning her character

I didn't really hear a defense...other than, Jag's having a mental breakdown

Why is that? Why does she appear to be struggling with her past?

...I mean, if it's not true like you suggest...

and then begged her followers to help her pay for college and a new car?

and also ragged about her rich light skint parents?

———

Seems like the women used as evidence Talib is trash always seem to have uses with the truth IRL yet y’all always take their word as fact.

It happened.

the Res allegations happened.

the Jaq allegations happened.

I'm pointing out a pattern

you're in your feelings.

The question marks are for the cyberbullying. Are you really bullying someone if it’s a back and forth and the other person has a history of attacking, talking slick and gaslighting?

Y’all quick to scream cyberbullying but you don’t want to look at the women who are playing victim while tossing cocktails

There is a thread dedicated to that issue for your reference

Recounting

She replied, on twitter, to a reply to a post...smh, I can't believe grown a$$ folks really dedicate energy to this bull$hit...anyway

OP, how may rappers are married to black women, other than snoop

Reply, lists a bunch of names, one of which was Kweli's

It actually was a positive shoutout

This Maya Moody person, again, if you remember correctly, we weren't even sure was a real live breathing person and not just some bot

Replied, to the reply of the OP, about some of the women being lightskint...and possibly starting a conversation about colorism

Kweli was not mentioned by name.

In fact, the 'some', could even be interpreted as she wasn't speaking directly about him...also, see, not being mentioned by name

Kweli jumped all the way out the window.

A celebrity, with multiple media platforms, going at an otherwise anonymous twitter poster, for the entire summer

Yeah, that's cyberbullying.

He was suspended from Twitter for it...right?

I think his IG was suspended too...

Yeah, she went full on game goofy with the gofundme

But you're injecting that like it was her motive to begin with

It was not.

Kweli was not targeted for monetary gain.

He gave this woman exposure on his platforms by being a hit dog.

+1, as I pointed out in the Kweli thread

He started litigation against Turtle Boy IRT the child molestation allegations

...and then he dropped the suit...

So miss me with the...if you come for me and mines...FOH

He had a chance to dead that defamation legally

He chose not to.

How much did she get you for dawg?

I’m not saying Talib couldn’t do something more productive with his time but dude likes the back n forth on Twitter and he obviously has the time.

Don’t give a shit about his age, her age, etc.. that’s what folks get for talking about other peoples “preferences” when it comes to marriage.

Nah the timestamp is around 10:30 where he makes a case against that.


>then there's also Res
>
>i.e. she isn't the first person to make allegations about his
>character
>
>I only made it 5 mins into his video reply
>
>Seemed like he was comfortable with questioning her character
>


I think that's his defense, her character is questionable so some of her accusations are not credible.


>I didn't really hear a defense...other than, Jag's having a
>mental breakdown
>
>Why is that? Why does she appear to be struggling with her
>past?
>
>...I mean, if it's not true like you suggest...

He pointed to some of the same things people talked about in this thread. The way she is going after everyone.

after the daily posts attacking the woman

I watched it happen...

Isn't questioning the accuser's character a popular deflection that we've seen time and time again

Why do we expect perfect victims?

Wouldn't you expect a survivor to have been affected by the trauma?

She details a rather lengthy list and history of trauma

Bottom line, and I think I posted this reply in this thread already, she's speaking on the industry

i.e. both things can be true

These artists definitely did a lot to elevate black culture

No doubt, and I don't think anyone would argue against that

But they are also entertainers, and the entertainment industry is rife with these stories

i.e. both things can be true

Some 'conscious' 'backpack' 'neo-soul' artists...could also be scumbags

Talib presents his achievements...as if that resolves the allegations

It doesn't.

I am a child of The Cosby Show generation

That was definitely a revelation for me

Doesn't change the impact that show had on me as a child

Or his achievements in society

...it also doesn't mean he wasn't a serial rapist...

Both things can be true.

>after the daily posts attacking the woman
>
>I watched it happen...

Talib said she was still talking about him after she blocked him. I would call that back and forth not cyberbullying.

>
>Isn't questioning the accuser's character a popular deflection
>that we've seen time and time again
>

You said in your reply "she isn't the first person to make allegations about his character" does that mean you were deflecting ?


>Why do we expect perfect victims?
>

No she does not have to be perfect, but when she parrots white racist trolls accusations or co-sign someone who did, it doesn't help her.

>Wouldn't you expect a survivor to have been affected by the
>trauma?
>

Yes

>She details a rather lengthy list and history of trauma
>

But some people pushed back or didn't responsd at all right ?


>Bottom line, and I think I posted this reply in this thread
>already, she's speaking on the industry
>
>i.e. both things can be true
>

I believe what she says about the industry but I disagree with the spray everyone tactic.

>These artists definitely did a lot to elevate black culture
>
>No doubt, and I don't think anyone would argue against that
>
>But they are also entertainers, and the entertainment industry
>is rife with these stories
>
>i.e. both things can be true
>

It may be true but it's not enough to burn everyone connected to them.

>Some 'conscious' 'backpack' 'neo-soul' artists...could also be
>scumbags
>
>Talib presents his achievements...as if that resolves the
>allegations
>
>It doesn't.
>

True it doesn't resolves the allegations but it is part of his character, so if someone is attacking his character it makes since to say look at the whole picture. If a stan was putting him on a pedestal, it would be fair to point out his flaws. This is the same thing.

>I am a child of The Cosby Show generation
>
>That was definitely a revelation for me
>
>Doesn't change the impact that show had on me as a child
>
>Or his achievements in society
>
>...it also doesn't mean he wasn't a serial rapist...
>
>Both things can be true.

Sources are stronger when it comes to Cosby, given the deposition that came out. Now if it was only one or two making accusations using sources that are not credible, people will think twice.

One that, unfortunately, should be all too familiar by now

No, I did not follow an otherwise unknown person on SM

Anyway

He attacked her character in his defense...correct

Didn't he do the same to Res...claiming she didn't do any work

Now he's doing the same to Jag...she's having a mental breakdown

He even used the tried and true defense of continued correspondence with the victim as a defense...if I did it, why did she call me for money when she was in legal trouble

He's actually perpetuating all of the deflections we've seen in other instances

...but it's Kweli, the conscious rapper...so it's different...?

Honestly, my biggest takeaway from alladis...I thought he was smarter.

>No, I did not follow an otherwise unknown person on SM
>

So how can you put it all on on Talib and call it cyberbullying when she was firing shots in her timeline ?

>Anyway
>
>He attacked her character in his defense...correct
>
>Didn't he do the same to Res...claiming she didn't do any
>work
>
>Now he's doing the same to Jag...she's having a mental
>breakdown
>

If he believes the accusations are false then it makes sense to challenge the people who made them.

>He even used the tried and true defense of continued
>correspondence with the victim as a defense...if I did it, why
>did she call me for money when she was in legal trouble
>
>He's actually perpetuating all of the deflections we've seen
>in other instances
>

It's push back and questioning but it's not deflections. He talked about the relationship with JW.

>...but it's Kweli, the conscious rapper...so it's
>different...?
>

Nah has nothing to do with his title. If he was average Joe and everything else was the same, I wouldn't call it cyberbullying.

Like they really expect a conscious rapper to have some type of internet honor.

He’s a rapper not some Holistic Buddha.

Black men are expected accept abuse, especially online, and if we respond then we HaTe blAcK WoMEn.

The bar is off the planet for conscious rappers.

Sitting down and thinking of the problems of society and solutions. Unity and peace and whatnot.

is it ridiculous to expect that standard to be held outside the booth?


I mean noones a saint, we all slip up, but damn my boy be slipping a whole lot.

What is he doing ?

There's a guy on this site who follows me around to different posts waging ad hominen attacks against me. Is that harassment?

hahddododdkssdsdo


That was funny, admit it.


Good luck tho.

they both said there was a short lived fling

he's mostly putting her down as a means of defending his friends

but if you're looking for reasons to not believe women, by all means

The cape up is so overboard that you will have people disregard out of spite. I'm pretty much there with the Megan Thee Stallion shit. Like don't these people have to answer for their own shit too?????

>The cape up is so overboard that you will have people
>disregard out of spite. I'm pretty much there with the Megan
>Thee Stallion shit. Like don't these people have to answer
>for their own shit too?????

*rolls eyes*

(1)What any of this shit ever had anything to do with Malik B's career & passing?

(2)Why Jaguar had to diss all the female music artists that became more famous than her, if it's true that she's been ghostwriting a lot of hit songs for other female singers, why talk trash about them, just collect your ghostwriting dough and keep it movin' cause without them she wouldn't make any money cause obviously the industry feels that Jag is a better writer than a singer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92yO7caQSJM

Pathetic... and at this point she's generating a good deal of Youtube traffic for OTHER people's channels. I wonder if she will look at all of it and feel like she's owed something. THAT will be interesting.

but...

yeah..

it’s not funny, not funny at all.

and it’s another reason I side eye anyone posting any type of video while sitting in a car. That shit will always scream “you fucking lying” to me.

of an interview that he did with her.
Dude chopped it up into 20 different clips and has paid sponsors running ads during the content and everything.

Is she going to double back and come for people like that? Because they are most definitely exploiting her if they aren't breaking bread.

cause part of the problem with artist like her is it’s all emotionally driven.

Can I say what I want?
You gonna let me spit that real?

Cool let’s do it.

Not even thinking about the money and clicks generated until long after the fact.

You can record shit on a cell phone, upload it and get clicks/revenue

No shade but unless she had a niece or nephew do it for her it ain’t happening.

I would say an intern but she doesn’t seem like the type to have one at this point in her career

A Jaguar will do anything to eat. Even turn on their own family.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

This is weird, I was just thinking about this the other day. Curious about where this all went haha.

it's been clear for a while that she needs to get some help.

https://www.tiktok.com/@kingoftalk413/video/7188735239240322350

“Jaguar and her husband got into it with a man, and during the fight, Jaguar reportedly thew an urn containing the ashes of her deceased son on the man”

good lord.

because why would a mother do that?

....and she said jay had big l killed.

https://mediatakeout.com/1990s-rb-singer-jaguar-wright-arrested-after-making-disturbing-remarks-about-jay-z-beyonce-vid/

this is all so so fucking sad.

just speculating but I wonder if that 15 minutes of viral fame made her triple down on saying wild ish.

Its sad because I was in Philly during the height of her fame and while I always thought her cursing was way over the top her live sets were LIVE AS FUCK!!!

I’m sure she has been chasing that stage high since those Black Lilly days.

her Bum Ass.

Her and Torey Lanez daddy should form a coalition to bring down that No Good Sean Carter

A few months ago the question was what is Jay-Z's real name. I confidently answered Sean Carter. They were particular about spelling and I got it wrong because it's Shawn. I was so sure it was Sean lol

Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a lie.

I have never believed everything she has said, but I think that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

At this point in time.. I wouldn’t

They all have wild stories that stretch the truth.

But Keith Murray’s shit is mad wild though!

>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a
>lie.
>
>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

Perfect analogy!

>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in a
>lie.


What's the truth part about Jay-Z and Beyonce sacrificing Big L to the Illuminati?!

>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.

You know this is basically saying I believe the stuff I want to believe and ignore the rest. Do you see how convenient that is?




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

>>Even if you think she is lying there is still some truth in
>a
>>lie.
>
>
>What's the truth part about Jay-Z and Beyonce sacrificing Big
>L to the Illuminati?!
>
>>I have never believed everything she has said, but I think
>>that she is telling the truth about some stuff.
>
>You know this is basically saying I believe the stuff I want
>to believe and ignore the rest. Do you see how convenient
>that is?
>
>

My example of this…

When she was talking about Thought’s pen… I thought that shit was straight bogus.

The rape allegations about certain cats in the industry, I think that some of that could be true given how so many cats are getting in trouble for that these days. They are really challenging her on that either.

What do you think about that?

I think Jaguar Wright is toxic, bitter and unreliable as a person to trust what she says off rip.

That doesn't mean I think she is lying. It doesn't mean I think these dudes are incapable of doing what she says, but I am not going to accept it at face value off of her word alone.

Like she said Common did this thing. Common said he didn't do it. I really don't see any reason to believe one over the other and if you look at the track record of both, I'd be more inclined to believe Common.

Seems like the Roots were wise not to comment because give her enough time, they may have known she would self destruct.

Moreover no one attempted to exploit the death of Malik B more than she did. She showed that she was using him to settle old beefs.




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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

her antics don't mean she's lying, but it becomes a who do you trust more thing.

as she continues this spiral, it becomes about what other wild shit will she say. nobody's even trying to see if she's truthful because her credibility is shot and she's just a spectacle.

She's said that people were victims of sexual assault who are adamant that they are not (and she doesn't even know).

She's said that everyone is collateral damage and her real target is Shawn Gee (and it's over money).

And she is saying clearly untrue things about Jay-Z and Beyonce.

No one has come forward to corroborate anything that she has said.

How does she have any credibility with anyone at this point?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

her regardless of the lack of facts in her stories.

They always try and paint people as crazy or toxic when they’re putting out info on other people.

So if you don’t think that she’s lying then how am I believing what I want to believe?

It’s kinda obvious that the shit that she was trying to say about Thought’s pen was bullshit, but that sexual misconduct should probe taken with more than a grain of salt.

the rest is the lie.. lol

and I’m sure this can be done for all these wild claims.

Keith Murray has probably been to the city he claimed he got down with ole girl. The part about being in the city is true.. lol

Did you hear about Eve and the video shoot?

Look, I really like The Roots BUT I’ve heard first hand accounts of some of their missteps and lets just say, industry rule 4080 applies to the biz AND the artists..lol

So stuff like stealing credit or not looking out for artist or shady dealings.. that stuff may have some truth to it.

But then she kept going.. to a point where I believe its hard to take her words seriously.

who are on hard times are going to be bitter about their current success or feel wrongly done.

I think we didn't hear from Eve and Jill Scott complaining because they have moved on and continued to have success. I don't think we would have been hearing from JW if her career had taken off.

If you have a long career I don't see how you not end up pissing some people off when you make tough difficult decisions. Being fired from anything is always hard to swallow.

I do think from all this stuff we have seen from her there is probably another clear good explanation why people wouldn't want to work with her. She just seems super toxic.

I know folks above objected to calling women bitter and consider it dismissive but this one right here seems like text book example of it.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

why does this post have so many responses if she's such a liar? there
has to be some truth to what she's saying.

same reason Ye or Trump get so much attention. train wrecks are exciting to watch and speculate over.

>same reason Ye or Trump get so much attention. train wrecks
>are exciting to watch and speculate over.

Big L was sacrificed to the Illuminati because this post is 500+?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

and/or troubled, i wouldn't spend so much time on
it. same goes for Ye or any other "celebrity"

i saw a post from her the other day, sounds like she's exposing people
from that world and people don't know why she's doing it. who knows. if
she's a liar then you move on from her. not sure why it matters so much.

by here I mean planet earth.

That just isn't the way people move.

SHOULD they move like that? I'd love it if they did.

but we do not now, nor have we ever lived in a world where the amount of attention one garners has is directly comensurate with their veracity, and/or trustworthiness.

seems obvious.

that's been exposed, got it. just watching a sh*tshow

gossip on

polygamist cult.

She wasn't lying about EVERYTHING but she was complicit in a lot of the foulness she spoke on. She's not being tricked and fooled by these people that she deals with. More than anything she needs professional care but it doesn't seem like she feels that way.

Dude was sitting behind the wheel while she was talking in those videos from a few years back. Did he ever think that one day he would be her target? If we were to judge by her recent actions, you'd think he was her worst enemy.

Sometimes we are so gassed to find out the tea that we fail to adequately question the motives behind the spilling.

and motives matter.

they treated her the same way she accused the industry of treating her.. smh.

she's done nothing but hurt her own cause, whatever that may be. nobody will continue to support her claims with all the shit she's doing/saying.

I used to love watching her perform but cringed at all the cussing.

first few songs would sprinkle in a “fuck youuuuu ooooohhhhhh oohhh hooooooh”

would turn into “muthafuk you fucking fuck nigga bitch fuck shit bitch hoeeeee yeahhhhhhhh” by the end of the set

huge talent

zero filter.

it was understandable. Then it started getting more and more out there, then finally to the point that it's clear she isn't well. But initially there were some valid points made and I feel like some folks were genuinely hearing her out.

The idea that the Roots didn't properly mourn there "friend" was always a terrible point.

Who is anyone else to tell anyone else how they should mourn a relationship that they were not a part of.

All the people judging how the Roots dealt with Malik B, were not the ones in actual relationships with Malik B or try to work with this person who struggled with addiction. The heavy-handedness and moral grandstanding towards people we don't know in the actual relationships was gross.

I think if the relationship with Malik B ended poorly and on bad terms, the classiest thing to do would be to keep their mouths shut, even as people very openly judged how you handled it.

And I say this not as a Roots fan (I am not arguing that these dudes are great people incapable of treating people poorly, I don't know them), I say this as someone who has been in similar situations.

And what eventually came through was it wasn't about Malik B. She exploited Malik B's death in order to air all of her grievances, real and imagined.

I don't think is a case of a person with a good point going off the rails. She was the same person from start to finish. A toxic bitter person with Axe's to grind because she saw her peers enjoy success that never happened for her.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

when its someone close to you?

who pulls up? who didn’t? What words were used?

Whether fair or unfair.. you admitted it.

so I totally get her initial anger whether warranted or not.

If you don't show up to my love one's funeral. I am going to know the status of our relationship. That's a one on one relationship.

Sure. It's fine JW felt the way she felt about how the Roots treated her friend. But okayplayers judging The Roots for how they reacted to the death of someone they don't know based on JW?

Too far a leap.

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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

who created a message board for their fans should expect those same fans to see some type of memorial or passage about a former member of the group.

its like reading an obituary and it doesn’t sit right with people who knew the family.

of course they don’t know the inner workings of the family but when they pay “respect” publicly best believe people will speak on it.

What started all of this was her judgement on how ?uest decided he wanted to memorialize Malik B's death publicly. Which was always some bullshit.

I am so not here for telling other people to justify how the mourn the death of a close friends to others. How ?uest and the Roots dealt with his death, both in private and to other, was none of anyone's fucking business.

>What started all of this was her judgement on how ?uest
>decided he wanted to memorialize Malik B's death publicly.
>Which was always some bullshit.
>
>I am so not here for telling other people to justify how the
>mourn the death of a close friends to others. How ?uest and
>the Roots dealt with his death, both in private and to other,
>was none of anyone's fucking business.

It all should have ended there.

point, just that the rant started off reasonable. I didn’t agree with her but it was “reasonable” initially to take it as her going through her own mourning process, and there seemed to be actual hurt there regardless of the truth or logic of the situation. That being said, it went left QUICKLY.

so while it started off reasonably we have no idea where the truth started and ended.

the more she talked the more we realized we probably shouldn’t have entertained it in the first place

Like I might not know you got exema, but if I see you scratching every 5 mins. I can assume SOMETHING is wrong, right?

Her manner, her demeanor, her speech, and the things she was saying were all off.

Why were we so quick to be on some 'tell your truth' shit, when it was pretty obvious by observation, that whatever the veracity of her claims, she was unwell?

Are we officially at a place where, the messenger no longer matters?

so what may usually be red flags was seen as pain..

but we quickly realized she was off

maybe some saw it day 1 but I think a lot of fans were also upset at the lack of acknowledgment on okp’s home page.

I'm hoping she finds peace.

I can’t see how someone can do all that while still making sure the live is rolling

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cn5u9neAKMD/

"fuck off."

i snickered a bit. ngl.

smh

I ask because when there are psychological issues, the norm seems to skew towards violence, violent outbursts and anger. More like the training wheels and suppressors come off to reveal what's beneath.

It may exist, but I rarely hear of people who experience these diagnoses becoming calmer and nicer.

That is what is underneath all the social mores and conditioning.

So, I'd say yes.

respond to stress and issue is with violence and anger.

Like I always thought this scene in Dave was so true and real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yK67mwgDxI

Like the violence was so normal and routine Gata thought nothing of it and the red head dude was traumatized by it.

Or like some people reacted to Will SMith slapping Chris Rock as that was to be expected while others reacted described it as the "most unhinged thing they have experienced in their life" (true quote).

To put another way, I see someone like Drew Barrymore manically losing her shit (in a good way) to rain like the link below and think some people experience good crazy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEq6jybD4z8


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

with violence, "devolving" into the same state when undergoing psychological distress?

The "he/she was such a good kid" growing into a sociopath or just having violent outbursts as their brain undergoes rapid reduction.

and some people don’t have that voice that says “don’t do that” when the thought of blowing some shit up enters their head.

A case where a kid who really suffered no trauma, came from an indisputably good home, turning into violent people?


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

Starting with the BTK (Bound Torture Killer)

https://www.aetv.com/real-crime/serial-killers-who-came-from-good-homes

We're talking body counts in the dozens with zero evidence of past trauma.

solving problems with violence makes perfect sense.

had a few friends I grew up with who solved everything with violence. Went back home a few years ago and one dude who was more foe than friend went to the Army and had his head on straight. He says “yeah, ole boy (who was prone to violent outburst) finally realized the world isn’t going to change for him, he has to change for the world”

come to think of it, I have a lot of childhood friends who solved everything with violence and most of aged out of it but there are some who never did.

I watched a few interviews on YouTube and even went to her Dalladephia site. And then I watched the videos posted here on Malik B.

I can truly say that I am very clear now on why God blocked me from the music industry. I knew I had the talent. I was surrounded by people who were in the industry and they tried to change me into being a person who was ready for it. They downloaded a lot of thought processes into my mind from the age of 19-27 (1999-2007). And those years were the most frustrating of my life because although great music was being made in the studio and great talent was being showcased at open mics and poetry spots in Richmond, I was lost. I was lost and I didn’t get anywhere near close to the industry as I wanted to. So I can see why JW is so layered. She reminded me so much of the people I was around and tried to emulate during my time of trying to “make it”. It’s like so many personalities come out of her. So many emotions and so many demons that she has to feed with something to soothe them. Her face and eyes and anger sadden me because I literally went to bed and woke up with someone like that every day. I pray she can truly tap into that Christianity that she professes and give those demons over to Jesus.

I am thankful that I wasn’t allowed to get that deep into the culture. Even though that was the exact scene I longed to be a part of. I was told I wasn’t edgy enough and I didn’t have the heart for it yet. That made me sad at the time but I’m grateful for it now because it hid me and protected me from certain demons. I experienced the residue of certain demons but only because I played with them. I didn’t get too deep into traumas because I wouldn’t let them change or possess me. It took me many years to realize I was aspiring towards the wrong thing. 2020 is when I turned my heart back to finding my purpose in God only. I thank God for protecting me through those years when I was trying to be something I wasn’t just to feel a sense of belonging to people who loved music and culture as much as I did. It was truly a trap.
... "A Beautiful Struggle"

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

and moved to Philly in 2000 to 2005 trying to break into the industry

can’t trust noooobody

“sometimes it be your own people”

fun but dark times

I’m not sure if we discussed that already back in the day but yeah. One of the producers I recorded with lived in Philly and I remember recording at a studio there and going to a beat battle that I took footage of. I should find a clip and post it here to see if you recognize any of the folks hosting or competing. I always wanted to move to Philly but never did and am somewhat grateful I didn’t. Don’t get me wrong I had great times but they were also dark and in the end it seems like a distraction from a path that would have or could have been much more productive. Seeing people trying to duplicate what was done back then today is either sad or counterfeit. If my children were interested in music I would certainly tell them to tap into it but not as a career. I wasted a lot of time back then which is why I think I don’t even write anymore now. It makes me sad when people play my old music. It really makes me sad.
... "A Beautiful Struggle"
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Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

and of course Underground Railroad with Jazz Poets Society

Lonnie B and Mad Skillz crew

Bear One was a DJ and producer. He moved to Philly and still lives there.

we used to throw a lot of shows and had a Tuesday night at Richies on Broad St by the 7/11. Small spot but we packed that place tight.

Threw a lot of shows at Alley Cats. Shockoe Bottom had some nice spots but they closed down the biggest venue right before our Black Star Show which totally fucked us over.

If it wasn’t for Richmond I would’ve never been in the music scene that deep.

but like you, if I would’ve stayed in the biz I would prolly be dead from excessive drinking and ummm… chasing after tail.

Wouldn’t trade it for the world. Met tons of artists and collaborated and shared stages with a lot of people. Also lost a lot of money on failed shows and sometimes the money didn’t add up at the end of the night which meant some folk were stealing, lol

music biz has so many 2 faced people too. Trust no one, everyone is out to get theirs and will butter you up and stab you in the back. If it aint in writing, don’t believe the hype.

Jazz Poets Society folks I know, and I also worked with the Lyrics Ave crew, not sure if you knew them.

Lonnie B and Mad Skillz crew yes!

Bear One actually produced one of my favorite recordings called "Feminine of He"

He stopped talking to me after me and his best friend Kleph Dollaz split up. It was a rocky break up and even when Kleph was cool with me afterwards Bear never forgave me, which was a blow to me because I really enjoyed working with him. I recorded that song in Philly and we did it in one take. I'll find it and link it here so you can hear it. My writing was a lot clearer back then and I really thought I was going to break in the industry if I kept going. But the drinking and smoking clouded me a bit. And that relationship with Kleph was rocky, may he RIP. We made great music and every day felt like a soundtrack. We lost a lot of good ones. Both he and Lorna have murals in Richmond which I visit from time to time. I have performed at Alley Katz a few times too. I forgot about that place. lol.



... "A Beautiful Struggle"
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we weren’t really that cool with a lot of Richmond heads because we weren’t from Richmond but they had to “tolerate” us because we carved out a nice lil corner and brought a lot of hip hop shows to Richmond.

Bear One was always cool as hell tho.

Actually saw Skillz and Bear One in LA at my homies wedding a few years back.

He produced a lot of songs on my first project “When Morning Comes”. We worked together for a few years and started dating in 2002. I lived with him for 5 years. My life was music constantly. He would wake up make a beat and I would write and record. Sometimes he made three beats but every day he made at least one. It was the most exciting thing in the world to live with your Muse. But we were both so intensely into each other that it wasn’t healthy because we had no limits. We loved hard and there was no buffer. We were always on 10! When it was good it was great, when it was bad it was tragic. When we split finally we didn’t speak for 5 years. I reached out to him through email and he replied and we said our sorry’s through replies and then he died a few months later. I was devastated I didn’t speak to him in person but it was one of those relationships where when it ended we had to be apart because we were so intensely close. I didn’t go the the funeral. I couldn’t. My son was a few months old and I was dating his father who always told me I had never gotten over him. In retrospect I believe I never have had closure because I didn’t see him laid to rest. I used to document lots of the times we spent together. Riding to Plan 9, sitting and talking, working on music, etc. I have never loved that hard with anyone and never want to love that hard again. All the moments we shared just the two of us and now I’m left holding all those memories with no one to share them with. I always thought I’d have time to reflect on our past together later in life. It’s bittersweet.


... "A Beautiful Struggle"
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I remember he always walked around with his album around campus or at open mics.

Plan 9 was my shit!!! Used to live in there. Pretty sure they were the first record shop that let you listen to an album before buying it. If they didn’t have an open copy they would just open the CD or record and let you go to the listening station and chill with it. No pressure to buy it.

I had the same type of relationships when I lived in Richmond. It was real easy to get “stuck” to someone creative and spend way too much time with them and lose yourself.

It was a dope time though. Loved that city and made lifelong friends. Also met
my wife there as well. We went back to Richmond a few years ago and almost got lost on campus..

where is Community Pride!! lol

this had to be around 2002. I believe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elfih9LIE9Y






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Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

Thanks fam


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Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

It went wood tho. Lol.

I didn’t realize the video cut off before the song ended so here is another link to the full song just in case someone wants to hear it till the end.

https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38


MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

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“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

Far, far, far beyond expectation.

This was fantastic, and it makes me sad if you're no longer recording.

You describe it so well that I can't help but it get it. It really sounds like it could be a novel or short story I would read.

Like I would love to read a story about the burgeoning music scene in Richmond in the early 2000s and the aftermath.

Thanks for sharing.



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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

I know you asked her but I was also there at the same time.

VCU had tons of artist at that time..

musicians, dancers, producers, etc

and we would throw a show anywhere. What made Richmond so dope is its highly underrated as a foodie city. So you had all these little pubs and restaurants that would let you host a night or throw a lil open mic.

and you had a huge melting pot of people. Black, white, asian, indian, african, etc..

as college kids we were all on some “don’t take it to DC, do it in Richmond.

I’ll never forget promoting in DC and a DJ was like “how the fuck did you get all of Heiroglyphics in Richmond?

We just called them.. lol. It really was that easy. We thought these were huge artist but they were just young artist desperate to perform ANYWHERE.

Which meant we could book local acts to open for them.

Was introduced to Kleph and started recording and experiencing the music culture there. It wasn’t NY or Philly but it was perfect for me because it wasn’t too fast but full of opportunity. I found the Verses crew at Tropical Soul and went there every Tuesday despite some pushback I got in my relationship. I felt like I was a part of something great. The only problem was I was starting to drink a lot more and used drinking to calm my anxiety in social settings. I didn’t need to do that there at Verses but I did anyway and it clouded a lot of my memories. When I started working at Croaker’s Spot I found another home as most of the folks there were into music as well. Good food and music. Lots of poetry and I was in my early twenties with no children yet. I only wish I had left the alcohol alone back then because it was not needed at all. I had everything I needed to be successful and the drinking dimmed my light a bit.

When Lorna took Verses to DC on Wednesdays I rode up with her a lot and helped with the setup and break down. We would ride and listen to music and sing and she would always joke me because my favorite songs were slow and melodic and mainly sad songs. She could always identify if I would like a song based on how fast or slow it was, how deep it was and so forth. But that was my vibe then and still kinda is now.

When the flood came I was right there in it. Trapped in a building with Kleph and the other people living there. That was a sad sad day. I helped him save a lot of his music though and he got a tat of me holding his MPC because I literally picked it up and started moving stuff out of that basement apartment cause he didn’t think the storm was gonna get that bad. He eventually followed suit and moved some things but he lost so much still because the water came in so fast. I remember thinking we might die. Someone did die in the building now that I think about it.

Whew. So many stories.
“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

or I don’t remember because like you said, there was a lot of drinking and smoking in those days. I wonder why he wasn’t a fan of you going to Verse’s.. was it too poetry and not hip hop
enough for him? I think we had a hip hop night at Richie’s on Tuesdays.

I remember Eggleston’s before they moved to Croakers Spot. Even took my fam there for graduation fish sammiches. That joint was slamming. The host was a member of Tribe of Judah. I stopped through Croakers a few times over the years when passing through.

Thank goodness I missed that flood. I remember seeing photos with Shockoe Bottom deep under water. That was crazy.

Lorna was cool as hell. She was in charge of student activities so she gave us heads up on upcoming shows. She brought Poor Righteous Teachers to VCU! Man, we kicked it with them for hours talking about conspiracies and the back of a dollar bill. Also brought Special Ed but it got rained out. She also looked out and would book us for shows on campus and hit us off with a stack which was serious bread back then for a 30 minute set. I couldn’t believe it when I heard she passed.

in her honor. Sometimes i look at the videos I took on my phone from when we were at Bohemian Caverns in DC just so i can hear her voice again. She was so uplifting, supportive, and ahead of her time and I miss her dearly.

I think at the time I moved out of my parents house and moved in with Kleph i went from parents trying to control me to a partner trying to control me. I had no idea how to combat that so I became very defiant and I did not communicate or listen well to reasoning. I just assumed he didnt want me to go there and shine and build a reputation in that poetry scene. I felt that he felt I was very impressionable and trying to find my way and that I could easily change into something that wasn't me and lose myself. I feel that I did that with him too. I wanted to be so much like him and his opinion meant everything.

Looking back I see how I was unhealthy for him and vice versa. We were both young and I was more of a fan than a help meet.

I didn't speak up about things I should have and was very passive aggressive so precious time was wasted and opportunities were missed. But we definitely loved each other hard. I found this video of us talking but it depicts how we chilled, talked to each other, and laughed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxES3AgquOQ


“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

dont sell out
natural hair
dont eat the swine
DONT SELL OUT!!!

we had all these rules that we only half followed and thought we had everything figured out.

Its all the reason a lot of folks failed at trying to make it in the biz back then.

Even in Skillz crew he had issues with people who didn’t want to listen to his advice on how to navigate the biz.

More than likely there was a fear of you being discovered or finding another producer who would snatch you up or just thinking a dude could hook you with promises of fame.

You can clearly hear Lorna laughing at me

https://youtu.be/_v9lDOl0HKU

“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

I loved every minute of recording this song. Not only cause we were in Philly, but because we did it in one take. I’ve never had a studio session go so smoothly before that or since then. It felt like I was exactly where I was supposed to be exactly when I was supposed to be there. You can’t take moments like that for granted because you never know when they will happen again.
“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.

the soul in your voice is amazing.

“The Feminine of He” https://youtu.be/vaiZLFFEN38

MELa
Musically.Entertaining.Lyrically.Alluring.