Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby General Discussion topic #13443739

Subject: "Dave Chappelle: The Closer" Previous topic | Next topic
Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
13418 posts
Wed Oct-13-21 06:02 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"Dave Chappelle: The Closer"
Tue Oct-05-21 11:05 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

What do the people of OKP think of this final chapter of the Chappelle Netflix specials?

I thought the final story about his friend was rather touching.

Not the funniest special imo, but it had its moments here and there.

~
~
~
~
~
Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top


Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Solid... had its moments...
Oct 05th 2021
1
She must be "one of the good ones"
Oct 05th 2021
2
      Yikes.
Oct 11th 2021
201
BEYOND PXSSY
Oct 05th 2021
3
lmao
Oct 05th 2021
4
this shit was amazing
Oct 05th 2021
5
man i hope he was playing about this be his last special for a min
Oct 05th 2021
6
RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer
Oct 05th 2021
7
the LGBTQ community didnt take shit from Kevin Hart
Oct 05th 2021
8
his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole man
Oct 06th 2021
9
I definitely thought at some point while watching...
Oct 06th 2021
11
meanwhile, IF true, the response would be, "Ok and?"
Oct 06th 2021
12
Dave wrote that "a mouth's a mouth" bit from the Dude's Night Out sketch
Oct 07th 2021
68
      Oop and it came back up in this special.
Oct 08th 2021
117
RE: his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole m...
Oct 06th 2021
13
I get that for sure, it's just feeling tired at this point
Oct 06th 2021
24
      Right, I fell asleep on this, woke up 30 minutes later,
Oct 06th 2021
30
I haven’t watched yet but I think Dave
Oct 06th 2021
18
I thought he was done with it in the last two specials.
Oct 06th 2021
26
um no. that's not at all how equality works
Oct 06th 2021
27
wow lol
Oct 06th 2021
33
damn. lmao
Oct 07th 2021
49
saying this as a presumably black man is insane
Oct 06th 2021
35
He tells jokes.. people act like he is giving Taliban orders
Oct 08th 2021
115
      tell me how you felt about Louis CK saying nigger in a joke again
Oct 08th 2021
134
           I don’t believe I have ever witnessed CK do a nigger joke
Oct 08th 2021
136
                my bad, I was thinking of David Cross
Oct 09th 2021
151
                     The jokes just need to be funny
Oct 09th 2021
169
Nearly half of trans women will be the victim of a hate crime.
Oct 07th 2021
44
      Ugh, the editing period expired right as I was changing my post.
Oct 07th 2021
45
      Co-sign on both your posts.
Oct 07th 2021
47
      Yes. Both posts yes.
Oct 07th 2021
56
      Yes on both posts. It's very disappointing shit from him.
Oct 07th 2021
59
      And yet..
Oct 09th 2021
141
           yuuuuuuuup.
Oct 09th 2021
155
           ^
Oct 09th 2021
171
           The fact that no one touched this response is telling
Oct 09th 2021
157
                it doesn't fit the narrative
Oct 09th 2021
160
                     Or maybe calling people social justice warriors is dumb.
Oct 12th 2021
239
agreed
Oct 09th 2021
179
He doesn't punch up, He doesn't punch down, He punches lines.
Oct 06th 2021
10
the killing was supposedly self defense and before he was famous
Oct 06th 2021
36
      Don’t kill Da Baby
Oct 07th 2021
58
      The way Dave presented it made Dababy look WORSE in
Oct 07th 2021
66
      Not necessarily
Oct 10th 2021
181
           I mentioned them below, but whatever label these new
Oct 11th 2021
227
Has he changed a bunch?
Oct 06th 2021
14
Dave still making OKP’s mad
Oct 06th 2021
15
RE: Dave still making OKP’s mad
Oct 06th 2021
16
You clicked on my face (c)
Oct 06th 2021
17
right?
Oct 06th 2021
19
It is good
Oct 06th 2021
23
exactly lol
Oct 06th 2021
31
^
Oct 07th 2021
60
lol ....basically.
Oct 07th 2021
61
      basic, yeah thats a good word that describes those that agree
Oct 07th 2021
63
Thought it was super dope!
Oct 06th 2021
20
someone that knows him...
Oct 06th 2021
21
^^^ sees it ^^^
Oct 06th 2021
22
RE: someone that knows him...
Oct 06th 2021
25
      mutual friends
Oct 06th 2021
34
i just wasted 10 min reading and responding to this post.
Oct 06th 2021
28
it was ok.
Oct 06th 2021
29
surprised Im the first to point out the Angie shoutout
Oct 06th 2021
32
pretty unfunny
Oct 06th 2021
37
There's no defending Dave on this, imo.
Oct 06th 2021
38
first time I ever got tired of a chappelle special. had to turn it off
Oct 06th 2021
39
And she's damn near a billionaire. With another movie coming out.
Oct 07th 2021
46
lemme guess, he's still being silenced ?
Oct 06th 2021
40
LoL
Oct 07th 2021
50
Brave. Someone had to say it
Oct 06th 2021
41
look at the big man here
Oct 06th 2021
42
you are either non-black, or was in the military after ROTC in the burbs
Oct 07th 2021
51
He's not some millionaire Malcolm X. This isnt bravery.
Oct 07th 2021
55
i think this was less black, racial and masculine than 8:46
Oct 07th 2021
69
That part
Oct 09th 2021
139
most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships...
Oct 09th 2021
142
      it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedian
Oct 09th 2021
152
      RE: it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedi...
Oct 09th 2021
154
           Im directly quoting you
Oct 09th 2021
166
                you are, but does that answer my question?
Oct 09th 2021
168
      LOL. WHAT?!?!
Oct 09th 2021
163
      I thought you were Black.
Oct 11th 2021
192
i liked it. damn he's locked in tho
Oct 06th 2021
43
this is the loserest shit ever
Oct 07th 2021
48
      you really do love making shit up
Oct 07th 2021
64
           these are your words
Oct 07th 2021
70
                Where's the part where i said he was making some big sacrifice to the wo...
Oct 07th 2021
80
                     well, if he says he's reacting to criticism
Oct 07th 2021
102
but for real, Katt Williams said it best.......
Oct 07th 2021
52
Imagine living in a world where Katt Williams is the voice of reason....
Oct 11th 2021
202
okay.. I watched some of it and I get what people are saying
Oct 07th 2021
53
I have to assume Dave got tons of love
Oct 07th 2021
54
What does RW love feel like?
Oct 07th 2021
62
      I won't post the link
Oct 07th 2021
76
           you see Jason Whitlock tweets on your feed?
Oct 07th 2021
77
As for the trans jokes, idk how he expects to laugh WITH
Oct 07th 2021
57
he touched on that too…
Oct 07th 2021
78
      What's the lightbulb?
Oct 07th 2021
91
      That's badly misquoted. I think you're talking about the part...
Oct 08th 2021
110
           damn lol…
Oct 08th 2021
112
Some of the takes here saying they "got it"
Oct 07th 2021
65
Laughed a few times here and there
Oct 07th 2021
67
the closer…
Oct 07th 2021
71
RE: the closer…
Oct 07th 2021
72
He has kind of become a one trick pony
Oct 07th 2021
73
Wasn't funny, but where was the malice in Dave's performance?
Oct 07th 2021
74
They comin for you
Oct 07th 2021
75
lmao
Oct 07th 2021
90
      the world gives trans people enough hell, they're seeking acceptance
Oct 08th 2021
109
not to invalidate your take, but your'e counter arguing non-arguments
Oct 07th 2021
79
Soooo.....what's the problem?
Oct 07th 2021
81
      Your inability to read and repsond to the actual things people are actua...
Oct 07th 2021
83
           RE: Your inability to take your own advice would be a good place to star...
Oct 07th 2021
85
                See post 83. I did respond to what you actually said.
Oct 07th 2021
87
                     RE: See Netflix. Did you even watch the special?
Oct 07th 2021
97
This is on point.
Oct 07th 2021
82
I'm a huge fan and I honestly thought this was one of his weakest shows....
Oct 07th 2021
84
Dave was like Fuck It on some George Karlin shit
Oct 07th 2021
86
ironically george carlin would have been against what dave has been doin...
Oct 07th 2021
88
      Eddie is my comedy GOAT and he would be crucified today for the shit...
Oct 07th 2021
89
      Same. Thing is, Eddie has denounced that shit
Oct 07th 2021
92
           does that matter? Hart denounced his shit and they still tried to cancel...
Oct 07th 2021
103
                It does to me.
Oct 07th 2021
105
                     he is but the Oscar thing was huge...
Oct 08th 2021
111
      i mean if we're gonna cherrypick Carlin
Oct 07th 2021
95
      yup.. Carlin is the past person anyone should us against Dave
Oct 08th 2021
125
      You misundertand Carlin
Oct 09th 2021
164
           Nope
Oct 09th 2021
173
      I don’t see how the clip applies
Oct 08th 2021
107
Critics call to cancel Dave Chappelle, Netflix for ‘ridiculing trans p...
Oct 07th 2021
93
he saw it coming thus the "retirement" announcement, I think Netflix...
Oct 07th 2021
94
Stop punching down on my people
Oct 07th 2021
96
geez!
Oct 07th 2021
98
      He hangs out with alt-right wingers and billionaires....
Oct 07th 2021
99
      One of the major funders of the US trans activist community
Oct 07th 2021
100
      If any of us say this in public, WE CANCELED
Oct 08th 2021
113
      man listen
Oct 12th 2021
252
      Yeah....Talib, Yasiin, Black Thought, and Common fit nicely
Oct 07th 2021
106
      LOL name them
Oct 08th 2021
116
           Picture
Oct 08th 2021
119
                LOL oh are we in a Mean Girls mentality?
Oct 08th 2021
121
                     Where does the word "all" appear in his post?
Oct 08th 2021
123
                          My bad, I thought that said "all"
Oct 08th 2021
124
      Black liberals exist to scold Black folks that don't parrot white people
Oct 07th 2021
101
           They will push Black women and children out the way
Oct 08th 2021
120
           it never fails, and once you see the pattern, you can't unsee it.
Oct 08th 2021
122
           do Kevin Hart and Katt Williams parrot white people?
Oct 09th 2021
153
           yep
Oct 13th 2021
298
Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman Fr...
Oct 07th 2021
104
SPACE JEWS
Oct 08th 2021
108
Come on now, Mel Brooks did that 40 years ago
Oct 08th 2021
118
      And? Shit was still funny and you can’t tell them shit
Oct 09th 2021
147
I loved it.
Oct 08th 2021
114
I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything
Oct 08th 2021
126
RE: I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything
Oct 08th 2021
127
You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…
Oct 08th 2021
128
RE: You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…
Oct 08th 2021
131
      His generation?
Oct 09th 2021
149
           he's an almost 50 y/o black man, I know on super-woke OKP everyone tries...
Oct 09th 2021
150
                Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do better
Oct 09th 2021
156
                RE: Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do be...
Oct 09th 2021
161
                     What in the entire fuck?
Oct 09th 2021
162
                          is that not true?
Oct 09th 2021
167
                What are you even talking about?
Oct 09th 2021
159
I like Dave, think he's a Comedic Genius but equating
Oct 08th 2021
129
      It's 100% a case of they white and they said so
Oct 08th 2021
130
           Did a group of Black people actually make an issue of the shit
Oct 08th 2021
132
           show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby did
Oct 08th 2021
135
                RE: show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby di...
Oct 09th 2021
145
                     I remember that being a controversry/being talked about
Oct 09th 2021
148
Well, this post is a mess, but I watched it.
Oct 08th 2021
133
This thread sums him (and alot of y'all) up perfectly.
Oct 08th 2021
137
cisheteronormativity
Oct 09th 2021
138
all these new words
Oct 09th 2021
143
Is there an English version
Oct 10th 2021
190
Some good points and some really bad ones too.
Oct 09th 2021
144
it was a 30 year-old woman's opinion of a 50 year old man...
Oct 09th 2021
146
The premises she uses here are utter shit though
Oct 09th 2021
158
      Thank you
Oct 09th 2021
165
      No Problem
Oct 11th 2021
195
      cosign n/m
Oct 12th 2021
253
I kinda feel that if you were white, you'd call the police on us
Oct 09th 2021
170
FACTS...
Oct 09th 2021
174
Actual facts!!!
Oct 09th 2021
175
absolutely the po-lice
Oct 10th 2021
182
i cant believe there are black people that DONT get this
Oct 10th 2021
185
^^^ took long enough.
Oct 10th 2021
186
Well said.
Oct 11th 2021
198
Rap artists DID get protested for questionable content
Oct 11th 2021
209
There it is
Oct 12th 2021
238
Boy this was very well said.
Oct 13th 2021
301
This reads like someone who didn't watch the special
Oct 14th 2021
321
I enjoyed it
Oct 09th 2021
140
He did shout out Angieee though, can I get an OKAYPLAYER
Oct 09th 2021
172
aw man,
Oct 09th 2021
177
yes ... and that was the most offensive thing to me
Oct 09th 2021
178
Why you mad?
Oct 09th 2021
180
I caught that.
Oct 11th 2021
203
It was ok.. but wow comedians are a whiney bunch these days..
Oct 09th 2021
176
Not whiny - trolly
Oct 10th 2021
188
      Some of this outrage is as cringy as Dave's complaining though..
Oct 10th 2021
189
           So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??
Oct 11th 2021
196
                RE: So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??
Oct 11th 2021
200
                     Oh my fucking god.
Oct 11th 2021
208
Here is the thing, the Trans Woman who defended him in his last special
Oct 10th 2021
183
to be fair we don't really know that
Oct 10th 2021
184
he did directly say that every joke he's told on Netflix is about white ...
Oct 10th 2021
187
maaaaaaaaan what hahahah
Oct 11th 2021
193
I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit
Oct 10th 2021
191
RE: I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit
Oct 11th 2021
194
I think this sums up the whole special for me...
Oct 11th 2021
205
^I felt a lot of this, thanks for taking the time to write it.
Oct 11th 2021
207
good post nm
Oct 11th 2021
220
really good post, but you said a WORD right here....
Oct 11th 2021
229
It was a joke. The audience laughed
Oct 11th 2021
206
Dave was right, people don't LISTEN
Oct 11th 2021
204
there's a debate on social media about whether sugar goes in grits
Oct 11th 2021
210
      Black women, as a whole, have it about 100,000x worse than Trans folks
Oct 11th 2021
211
      There are black transwomen and black transmen
Oct 11th 2021
212
      I didn't choose to be a black woman
Oct 11th 2021
214
           Trans people didn't choose that either.
Oct 11th 2021
216
                *blink blink*
Oct 11th 2021
222
                     So you've never listened to a transperson talk about their experience
Oct 11th 2021
224
                          ".. to me" wasn't necessary.
Oct 11th 2021
228
                          I've listened. I have a coworker who transitioned over some years
Oct 12th 2021
242
                               you're contradicting yourself
Oct 12th 2021
244
                                    No I'm not contradicting myself.
Oct 12th 2021
254
                                         got it, you respect them up to a certain point
Oct 12th 2021
258
                                         How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?
Oct 12th 2021
261
                                              I don't think this is the right question and it opens up harmful argumen...
Oct 13th 2021
283
      trans people are black women, trans people are LGBT
Oct 11th 2021
218
      You don't have to understand
Oct 11th 2021
213
           it's not really my place to speak on feminism
Oct 11th 2021
219
                Honestly, people here and broadly have little understanding of feminism
Oct 11th 2021
221
                     I think thats bullshit
Oct 11th 2021
223
                          I was speaking broadly
Oct 11th 2021
225
                               RE: I was speaking broadly
Oct 11th 2021
226
I miss the old Dave ... "how old is 15 really" Dave
Oct 11th 2021
215
Killing Me Softly is probably still my favorite special from Dave
Oct 11th 2021
217
dave swears his entire life is criticism for trans "jokes"
Oct 11th 2021
235
Dave gotta be cackling about Jon Gruden
Oct 11th 2021
230
/post
Oct 11th 2021
231
Paraplegic Black man pulled from car by the hair by the cops
Oct 11th 2021
232
you gotta be a dumb motherfucker to think something like that
Oct 11th 2021
234
3hrs = gone
Oct 12th 2021
243
      yup.
Oct 12th 2021
249
      it was a wrap when they started looking through his raiders emails
Oct 12th 2021
257
      PLEASE please play me in poker so I can take every dollar you have
Oct 12th 2021
256
^^^^^^^ there it is and they still wont listen
Oct 12th 2021
240
the timing of all this is amazing
Oct 12th 2021
241
Fuck Gruden and his Momma, but I wasn't aware he was
Oct 12th 2021
245
      I think he was referencing that Gruden made racist comments and kept his
Oct 12th 2021
246
           right and the first openly gay player is actually on his team...
Oct 12th 2021
247
           I think Adwhizz is joking your weird Dave had gay sex declaration
Oct 12th 2021
248
           Oh, the only part I heard about was him making racist comments
Oct 12th 2021
250
https://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw?t=147
Oct 11th 2021
233
People showing their ass and getting fired, wonder if they are with the ...
Oct 12th 2021
love being in favor of big corporations
Oct 12th 2021
237
People showing their ass and getting fired, wonder if they are with the ...
Oct 12th 2021
236
It bugs me that people casually saying "Anti-Trans Writer JK Rowling"
Oct 12th 2021
251
sometimes it's hard to tell when you don't know stuff
Oct 12th 2021
255
You should watch Contrapoints' analysis/commentary on Rowling,
Oct 12th 2021
259
hell yeah. I love Contrapoints. I repped her two years ago here.
Oct 13th 2021
276
Ok she was very good. I agreed with 90% of what she was saying.
Oct 13th 2021
299
      I agree with JK to an extent
Oct 14th 2021
319
the UK cultural discussion on this stuff is hella interesting
Oct 12th 2021
260
lol
Oct 12th 2021
264
Her sentiment is fence straddling nonsense
Oct 12th 2021
262
      I don't think she is saying that at all or maybe I don't follow you.
Oct 12th 2021
263
           I've been goading buddy into saying stupid shit for years
Oct 12th 2021
265
                you got 40,000 views on reddit bro.
Oct 12th 2021
266
Shaun King is TALKING ABOUT IT...
Oct 12th 2021
267
The Gruden/NFL situation is proving Dave's punchline to be true...
Oct 13th 2021
268
*paging a mod to call Cyren a dumb motherfucker and loser*
Oct 13th 2021
269
LMAO
Oct 13th 2021
270
Lmaoooo
Oct 13th 2021
271
When keeping it real goes wrong!
Oct 13th 2021
274
lol
Oct 13th 2021
272
so is my name in your mouth or not in your mouth
Oct 13th 2021
273
keep that same energy or nah
Oct 13th 2021
275
I was being serious.
Oct 13th 2021
278
      he prefers punching down
Oct 13th 2021
280
           LOL, he's probably punching down on the
Oct 13th 2021
281
                Still, if I don't keep posting in this thread, I've been disappeared.
Oct 13th 2021
284
                you put dudes hypocrisy on full display
Oct 13th 2021
286
                so in your imagination, how many people have I banned?
Oct 14th 2021
322
                     I was truly trying to understand the leap taken there... lol
Oct 14th 2021
324
I'm not going to call Homie a loser and all that Extra shit but
Oct 13th 2021
287
      but the tone from ESPN and others was.. its bad but not THAT bad
Oct 13th 2021
291
      bruh he was NOT gonna get fired for the racial shit
Oct 14th 2021
325
           it's interesting that the second tranche of emails is described one way
Oct 16th 2021
341
except not really
Oct 13th 2021
297
      your opinion of his approach doesn't change the truth...
Oct 14th 2021
320
correlation vs. causation; cumulative effect,
Oct 13th 2021
277
pain AND frustration
Oct 13th 2021
279
word
Oct 13th 2021
289
Yeah you just got to be careful not to pit oppressed groups against each
Oct 13th 2021
285
      True, but isn't it a LITTLE odd that we are all talking about this ONE g...
Oct 13th 2021
288
      For example, when you say "They" you are really talking about a small
Oct 13th 2021
292
           On that we agree, but to the larger point he was making
Oct 13th 2021
296
                I think this is right.
Oct 13th 2021
306
      He said that in the special almost verbatim
Oct 13th 2021
290
           Folks are poor at listening
Oct 13th 2021
293
           I bet half the people turned it off before that point was made
Oct 13th 2021
294
           Bro saying I don't have an issue with LGBTQ doesn't clean it up complete...
Oct 13th 2021
295
           I been thinking about this.... tldr
Oct 13th 2021
300
                The Gruden thing proves we are NOT equal...
Oct 13th 2021
302
                Did Caitlyn Jenner get woman of the year before or after
Oct 13th 2021
303
                Dave left millions on the table & took off to Africa...
Oct 13th 2021
304
                ^^^
Oct 13th 2021
305
                See my post above.
Oct 14th 2021
309
                     I can't go here with you.
Oct 14th 2021
311
                          I am.
Oct 14th 2021
316
                               Yea I think this is probably right and fair.
Oct 14th 2021
323
                but now that Dave got all his money his best friends are white supremaci...
Oct 16th 2021
342
                wait? The same way white folks have harmed us?
Oct 13th 2021
307
                     I haven't seen any gay folks in chains(at least not voluntarily)
Oct 14th 2021
308
                     Oh stop! You know that's not what I meant.
Oct 14th 2021
310
                          thanks for clarifying
Oct 14th 2021
313
                               lol, fair enough
Oct 14th 2021
314
           REPEATEDLY said it, too
Oct 14th 2021
326
Dave Chappelle seems like a Q
Oct 13th 2021
282
After watching multiple times
Oct 14th 2021
312
half the folks complaining about it haven't actually watched it...
Oct 14th 2021
317
he never does lol
Oct 14th 2021
318
That's the thing he never says anything specifically malicious
Oct 15th 2021
329
Right. Even if what he's saying isn't malicious, it's probably leading t...
Oct 15th 2021
331
There would have to be something malicious right?
Oct 15th 2021
332
      No there wouldn't.
Oct 15th 2021
333
RE:
Oct 16th 2021
336
      This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 16th 2021
337
           RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 16th 2021
339
                RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 17th 2021
343
hey, why'd Dave quit his comedy central show?
Oct 16th 2021
340
I'm glad he said he's moving on from this topic
Oct 14th 2021
315
so Netflix gave him $60mil for nothing?
Oct 14th 2021
327
      No, they got views and subscriptions.
Oct 14th 2021
328
           Boom
Oct 15th 2021
330
           subscriber growth/retention and stock price.
Oct 16th 2021
334
           so not because he's the most popular comedian in the world?
Oct 16th 2021
335
           If they loved controversy, why'd they cancel Bill Cosby's deal?
Oct 16th 2021
338

KnowOne
Charter member
39785 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 12:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
1. "Solid... had its moments..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Dove's more of a story teller than comedian now but thats not a bad thing at all IMHO. The last story was definitely touching! But I foresee people possibly comparing it to prejudice white people who point to their one black friend that defends them.



_________________________________________
"Too weird to live.... too rare to die..."

PS+ ID: KnowOne215 | XBL GamerTag: KnowOne 215

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 12:36 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
2. "She must be "one of the good ones""
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
42712 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:29 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
201. "Yikes."
In response to Reply # 2


  

          

********************************
http://www.last.fm/user/Nspades

Get Out The Room!
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
@fakewilliamkatt
www.wickedradionetwork.com

"The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion" - Paulo Coehlo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

infin8
Charter member
10343 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 02:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
3. "BEYOND PXSSY"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

IG: amadu_me

"...Whateva, man..." (c) Redman

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17533 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 04:34 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
4. "lmao"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 05:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
5. "this shit was amazing"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I had a hit but this shit was ..sort of transcendent for him. He chanelled Richard and went a bit beyond.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
81878 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 06:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
6. "man i hope he was playing about this be his last special for a min"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

he keeps getting better and better

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

jimaveli
Charter member
5554 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 10:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
7. "RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

>What do the people of OKP think of this final chapter of the
>Chappelle Netflix specials?
>
>I thought the final story about his friend was rather
>touching.
>
>Not the funniest special imo, but it had its moments here and
>there.
>

Some people watch things with the intention of finding something to fault. Some are doing it on purpose. Some are doing it subconsciously. Regardless, I can’t imagine doing that with my time.

That written, this was a great ending for me if he doesn’t do anymore. I watch wrestling and love hiphop so I don’t buy ‘this is my last one for a while’ type talk until you look up and it’s been 20 years since Stankonia. Anyway, the last 15 minutes was especially human and best case scenario Dave storytelling. Sadly, I’m not confident that it will be seen that way since trying to make everything polarizing is big business on earth in 2021. So the thinkpieces and hitman tweets will flow. And nothing will ever be good enough if the mad about everything portion of our population don’t want it to be. And maybe it wasn’t perfect. But I enjoyed it…especially the last 15 minutes. I took it as an excellent close and a powerful tribute to someone who isn’t here anymore.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

seasoned vet
Member since Jul 29th 2008
5598 posts
Tue Oct-05-21 10:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
8. "the LGBTQ community didnt take shit from Kevin Hart"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

his self-righteous mouth did that

its sad seeing someone as smart as Dave buy into that boogeyman bullshit

lets be clear,
Kevin Hart tripped over himself doubling down on his ignorance, then deployed the cheapest apology kit he could find and mass produced it, you know, because his ‘team’ is so goddamn smart

never once did he think to educate himself on LGBTQ issues

not one dime did he dedicate to educating others on the same ignorance he suffers from

it was disappointing seeing Dave use such a big platform to perpetuate such a trash myth

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 08:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
9. "his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole man"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

8:46 was his high mark for me



I'm tired of sitting through is processing of a subject matter. at this point, if he announced being gay or experiencing body dysmorphia, I wouldn't be surprised - I'm not saying that I think this is case, but it all has been so front of mind for so long for him that it just wouldn't be a shocker if it were the case.

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
46351 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
11. "I definitely thought at some point while watching..."
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

dude has definitely smashed a dude.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
12. "meanwhile, IF true, the response would be, "Ok and?""
In response to Reply # 11


  

          

"was he white or black? you ain't color stuck is you?"

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
68. "Dave wrote that "a mouth's a mouth" bit from the Dude's Night Out sketch"
In response to Reply # 11


  

          

didn't he?
Wouldn't that be some shit if that was more reality based than anyone ever thought.

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:38 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
117. "Oop and it came back up in this special."
In response to Reply # 68


  

          

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
13. "RE: his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole m..."
In response to Reply # 9


  

          

>8:46 was his high mark for me
>
>
>
>I'm tired of sitting through is processing of a subject
>matter. at this point, if he announced being gay or
>experiencing body dysmorphia, I wouldn't be surprised - I'm
>not saying that I think this is case, but it all has been so
>front of mind for so long for him that it just wouldn't be a
>shocker if it were the case.


He's explaining that community's mindset compared to the racism in America towards black folk..he isnt
harping on lgbtq, he is exposing the racism overall

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
24. "I get that for sure, it's just feeling tired at this point"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

he raised points, its thought provoking

but theres an aspect about it that feels kinda brute force even though he knows history

bleh.

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
soulfunk
Charter member
9665 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 03:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
30. "Right, I fell asleep on this, woke up 30 minutes later,"
In response to Reply # 24


  

          

and he was still telling LGBT jokes.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:42 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
18. "I haven’t watched yet but I think Dave"
In response to Reply # 9


          

keeps joking them because people keep trying to tell him not to..

personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you have to be able to take some jokes



****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
26. "I thought he was done with it in the last two specials. "
In response to Reply # 18


  

          

like, how many times are we going to keep talking about it

let that art and statement stand, but he had to keep going back to a point to show that he see the humanity - which is what I got in the last specials

he's all protestin' much and all.

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Damali
Member since Sep 12th 2002
35338 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
27. "um no. that's not at all how equality works"
In response to Reply # 18


          


>personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you
>have to be able to take some jokes
>

that's the dumbest shit you've said this week.

that's elementary school level dumb.

that's your head is up your own ass dumb.

that's you've spent zero time studying or understanding history dumb

that's shit is spewing in the opposite direction from your asshole up through your stomach and out your mouth dumb.

just shut the fuck up sometimes.

d

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Bambino Grande
Member since Mar 14th 2019
937 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 05:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
33. "wow lol"
In response to Reply # 27


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Sofian_Hadi
Member since Jan 03rd 2003
3634 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:20 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
49. "damn. lmao"
In response to Reply # 27


          

---------------------------------------

"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 06:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
35. "saying this as a presumably black man is insane"
In response to Reply # 18


  

          


>personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you
>have to be able to take some jokes

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:16 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
115. "He tells jokes.. people act like he is giving Taliban orders"
In response to Reply # 35


          

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 07:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
134. "tell me how you felt about Louis CK saying nigger in a joke again"
In response to Reply # 115


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 07:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
136. "I don’t believe I have ever witnessed CK do a nigger joke"
In response to Reply # 134


          

i told a story about CK doing an imitation of a mentally challenged character for his daughter and the punchline was the character was a Black man and the crowd groaned…

and then he mailed the rest of his set in.


Now I do remember you recommending a comedy special with a white dude who said nigger 10 minutes into his set and none of it was funny.

But like kayru99 said below, progressive liberal Black folks on here always end up defending white people at the end of the day.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:44 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
151. "my bad, I was thinking of David Cross"
In response to Reply # 136


  

          

but yeah

you said "personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you have to be able to take some jokes"

only to have an issue with white comics doing racial humor

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
169. "The jokes just need to be funny"
In response to Reply # 151


          

I’m a Bill Burr fan and he does racial jokes I find hilarious.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
84565 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 12:30 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
44. "Nearly half of trans women will be the victim of a hate crime."
In response to Reply # 18


  

          

That's in an old study from all the way back in... June 2021.

The violent death toll of transgender people grows annually.

90% of trans people reported workplace harassment.

More than half of trans men will attempt suicide in their lives. 30% of trans women will attempt suicide.

LGBT people, and especially trans people, are disproportionately affected by homelessness.

Trans people are disproportionately more likely to have HIV.

I could go on... but, like, I think it's pretty obvious that an inability to take jokes is not what's preventing trans people from being treated equally. It's the insane discrimination that comes from people not making even the most basic attempt to empathize. And a lot of that lack of empathy comes from people who simply don't understand. And jokes like the ones Dave tells encourages people to continue to not understand.

Dave joking about trans people because people tell him not to... is like Kyrie refusing the vaccine because people tell him to get it: it's more important for him to feel correct than it is for him to see the facts, empathize with the world around him, and understand how his actions can negatively affect and influence others.

(Yes, I'm a teacher who's had multiple trans students and seen what they've gone through, so maybe this is a bit personal for me, admittedly. But I also think people generally just *do not understand* how at-risk trans lives are. The statistics are beyond staggering.)

For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
84565 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
45. "Ugh, the editing period expired right as I was changing my post. "
In response to Reply # 44
Thu Oct-07-21 01:16 AM by Frank Longo

  

          

Goddammit. This wasn't meant to target the above poster, and I regret framing the above post as if it was exclusively him defending Dave's material here-- especially since he said he hadn't even seen the special. I got off track a little, and I'm mad at myself for ranting about this topic (especially here, where a lot of people probably just have their minds made up, and it's unlikely to make much impact). But Chappelle's one of my all-time heroes, and it just really, really, really, REALLY sucks to see him take this path. It's fucking heartbreaking. So I left out a really important thing that's worth clarifying in my post--

No one's telling Dave he can't make jokes about trans people. He's on his sixth Netflix special and he's hosted SNL multiple times in the past couple years, so clearly no one's telling Dave he can't make jokes about *anything,* but this idea that people are trying to "silence" him when he tells shitty jokes is... pretty transparently wrong. He can joke about whatever he wants. And people can call it out when it's damaging and/or hateful. That's how it works.

If his jokes on this issue had insight or variety, that'd be one thing, because I'd defend any comedian (especially a hero of mine) trying to craft good material on any subject matter. But when his jokes mostly revolve around "they're not real women! they're dudes!" and they have been that way for a while? Then clearly he's not really attempting to do anything other than double down. And the tone of it is just soooo defensive.

There's a pretty good rule of thumb that applies across the board. The moment any comic starts doing material that involves them saying, in a naughty boy tone, "What's wrong? have I *offended* you??" or some variation of that? Then yeah, in general, they've fallen off. Dave's presence and timing and what have you are still absolutely elite. But that trans material is just really lazy and has been for a while now. And he'd rather do an entire defensive special than admit that he may have said some things that were more hurtful and out-of-touch than they were funny.

Anyway. Sorry. This is one of those issues that just sets me off. Probably shouldn't post about it online, not much good will come from it. Hope everyone is well and thinks empathetically about trans people this week.

For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Backbone
Charter member
8300 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:58 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
47. "Co-sign on both your posts."
In response to Reply # 45


  

          

Haven't seen this special yet, but from the reactions I gather he hasn't evolved from the stuff that I did see and that made me roll my eyes. Feels like he's refusing to evolve through critical introspection and is slowly going the John Cleese route instead. It's such a shame because it casts a shadow on the excellent stuff he's given/giving the world.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:49 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
56. "Yes. Both posts yes."
In response to Reply # 45


  

          

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Brew
Member since Nov 23rd 2002
21427 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
59. "Yes on both posts. It's very disappointing shit from him."
In response to Reply # 45


          

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
RagOnMe
Charter member
892 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:51 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
141. "And yet.."
In response to Reply # 44


          

https://publicintegrity.org/politics/black-americans-still-are-victims-of-hate-crimes-more-than-any-other-group/

So why don’t the (white) social justice warriors go to bat as fervently for them as they do anti-lgbtq? (in general, not you specifically) It’s clearly his point for 2+ specials now (caitlyn/cassius etc..I know you’ve seen them too).

To me, this is almost like dave’s “the aristocrats!”-asized version of patrice’s more concise “missing women” hypocrisy bit..do the transphobic jokes go too hard? Yes, but i also believe its the only way to truly drive his point home.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:57 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
155. "yuuuuuuuup."
In response to Reply # 141


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17533 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:14 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
171. "^"
In response to Reply # 155


  

          

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Mafamaticks
Member since Jan 12th 2004
4427 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:04 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
157. "The fact that no one touched this response is telling"
In response to Reply # 141


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:10 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
160. "it doesn't fit the narrative"
In response to Reply # 157


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
Backbone
Charter member
8300 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 07:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
239. "Or maybe calling people social justice warriors is dumb."
In response to Reply # 160


  

          

*shrugs*

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Crash Bandacoot
Member since May 13th 2003
9946 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 07:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
179. "agreed"
In response to Reply # 9
Sat Oct-09-21 07:30 PM by Crash Bandacoot

          

weird, like 70% of his act was about that.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
15821 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 09:24 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
10. "He doesn't punch up, He doesn't punch down, He punches lines."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I thought his timing was off for the first few minutes
Or maybe I'm just old because he was definitely pushing buttons
Got real funny when he got comfortable and slowed down the dialogue

But the Daphne story, man, that just hit...HARD
You can tell how effected he is by her passing

Da Baby killed somebody in Walmart...but that didn't stall his career, LOL.

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 06:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
36. "the killing was supposedly self defense and before he was famous"
In response to Reply # 10


  

          


>Da Baby killed somebody in Walmart...but that didn't stall his
>career, LOL.

it's bad logic

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
15821 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:09 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
58. "Don’t kill Da Baby"
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 12:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
66. "The way Dave presented it made Dababy look WORSE in"
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

that situation than what actually happened.


I get comedic license and all but he made it sound like Dababy was just a cold blooded killer who gunned down an innocent person in the Walmart

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Mafamaticks
Member since Jan 12th 2004
4427 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 06:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
181. "Not necessarily"
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

Niggas will go back 8 years and pull up a bad tweet from somebody before they were famous and run them through the ringer.

But Da Baby, even though he did kill somebody in self defense, nobody went back and brought that up once?

Them niggas that made Who I Smoke are doing fine.

YNW Melly was doing great up until he got charged with double murder.

Tay Kay was on the run for doing heinous shit and his song was getting burn.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 02:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
227. "I mentioned them below, but whatever label these new"
In response to Reply # 181


  

          

Drill rappers are on SHOULD be getting all the smoke for releasing music about actual victims of recent murders


>Them niggas that made Who I Smoke are doing fine.

Are they though? Spinnabenz, Foolio and other rappers in that realm have lost bookings/missed money making opportunities based on the controversy surrounding them



DaBaby shooting someone at Walmart wasn't exactly some dark secret, it was well known and he would talk about it openly in songs/interviews, if anything it probably helped his reputation and rap career

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
14. "Has he changed a bunch?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Because the last 4 specials make the dude seem reactionary to me.

I'll say it again:
Then: Dave was actively, maliciously, and falsely accused of everything under the sun when The Chappelle Show was on. He was intentionally harmed and there were people in bad faith actually trying to destroy him.

Now: He just doesn't like people telling him not to joke about gays - or telling him to STFU when he says "Give Trump a chance." Most of those criticisms are not in bad faith, and they are not trying to destroy him personally on the whole.

But I don't think he can tell the difference anymore.

And that's COMPLETELY understandable. I know me, personally, would not be able to do it. Dick Gregory was absolutely destroyed too.

Once an actual conspiracy targets you and does damage you'll likely see conspiracies EVERYWHERE. Again, I would crumble. And many people have.

So Dave's rich, has millions of SUPER FANS, and can't NOT complain about gay people on Netflix - a service I think is bad.







------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
15. "Dave still making OKP’s mad"
In response to Reply # 0


          

must be a good special

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:16 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
16. "RE: Dave still making OKP’s mad"
In response to Reply # 15


  

          

>must be a good special

It is.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
15821 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:40 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
17. "You clicked on my face (c)"
In response to Reply # 15


  

          

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
19. "right? "
In response to Reply # 17


          

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
makaveli
Charter member
15607 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
23. "It is good"
In response to Reply # 15


  

          

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Ray_Snill
Charter member
16616 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 05:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
31. "exactly lol"
In response to Reply # 15


  

          


<=========================================
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PYzh4v9cSf4FDnq3yMQyqNqh79o=/800x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4079674/jlio.0.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
kinetic94761180
Member since Jul 05th 2002
17533 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
60. "^"
In response to Reply # 15


  

          

_____________
if racism is a cancer, black thought is the answer.

Rjcc is code for "bitch-ass troll"

DROkayplayer™

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Airbreed
Charter member
29370 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 10:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
61. "lol ....basically. "
In response to Reply # 15


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
seasoned vet
Member since Jul 29th 2008
5598 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 11:16 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
63. "basic, yeah thats a good word that describes those that agree"
In response to Reply # 61


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Bambino Grande
Member since Mar 14th 2019
937 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 12:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
20. "Thought it was super dope!"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Oct-06-21 12:30 PM by Bambino Grande

          


beet juice LMAO

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

eclipsedInI
Member since Jul 29th 2002
92840 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 12:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
21. "someone that knows him..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

has addressed his misguided views

he's doubling down for "arts sake"

which makes his takes less sharp and more recationary

dave is smart, and is pushing this as a political agenda at this point

_____________________
puttin' the roota in the toota since 98'

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
bibblegolf
Member since Oct 19th 2004
21833 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
22. "^^^ sees it ^^^"
In response to Reply # 21


  

          

..I was thinking the same thing while watching.

"The more a country produces..the richer it is...the better it should take care of it's people. - Dr. Aleida Guevara"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Numba_33
Charter member
17975 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
25. "RE: someone that knows him..."
In response to Reply # 21


  

          

>has addressed his misguided views

Pardon my ignorance, but who are you referencing?

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
eclipsedInI
Member since Jul 29th 2002
92840 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 05:58 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
34. "mutual friends"
In response to Reply # 25


          

_____________________
puttin' the roota in the toota since 98'

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Damali
Member since Sep 12th 2002
35338 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 02:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
28. "i just wasted 10 min reading and responding to this post."
In response to Reply # 0


          

therefore i'm fresh out of time to watch that bullshit.

no thanks. i see who says it's great, which means its trash.


d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

tariqhu
Charter member
16140 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 03:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
29. "it was ok."
In response to Reply # 0


          

got better towards the end, especially that final story.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 05:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
32. "surprised Im the first to point out the Angie shoutout"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

yes, that Angie

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 07:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
37. "pretty unfunny"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

there are so very few quotes in this post because on paper the material is offensive. which leads me to believe people are laughing because of who said it, not because the material was good

doing an hour of tasteless material and ending with a tribute to a trans woman is the same as a white guy doing an hour of racist material and going "but in all seriousness I befriended a black guy who killed himself, he was a great man"

Netflix is shameless too, they care about revenue more than who his content harms

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
84565 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 07:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
38. "There's no defending Dave on this, imo. "
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

The obsession with joking about LGBTQ, in particular about trans people, has gone from lazy to simply bizarre. Dude is a brilliant comic and can find a billion ways to have interesting things to say about society, yet he *keeps* choosing to go back to the same tired well. It's been his weakest material for multiple specials now, and he keeps leaning harder and harder into it.

For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Nabs
Charter member
11374 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 09:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
39. "first time I ever got tired of a chappelle special. had to turn it off"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

this dude is gonna have to drop the lgbtq stuff one day. it's not the topic he thinks it is.

I'll get back to it soon, but it just feels weird. Especially trying to paint JK as some poor victim, lmfao. She's the biggest troll.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Frank Longo
Member since Nov 18th 2003
84565 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
46. "And she's damn near a billionaire. With another movie coming out. "
In response to Reply # 39


  

          

>Especially trying to paint JK as some poor victim, lmfao. She's the biggest troll.

And a new children's book she just released. She's one of the least silenced people in the world.

Rich people always defend other rich people's rights to say whatever they want without incurring any public criticism. It's baffling.

For beer lovers: http://thebeertravelguide.com
For movie lovers: http://russellhainline.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Rjcc
Charter member
93712 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 09:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
40. "lemme guess, he's still being silenced ?"
In response to Reply # 0


          


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
eclipsedInI
Member since Jul 29th 2002
92840 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:21 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
50. "LoL"
In response to Reply # 40


          

_____________________
puttin' the roota in the toota since 98'

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Musa
Member since Mar 08th 2006
15692 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
41. "Brave. Someone had to say it"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

.Of course dweebs on this messageboard wouldn't like it.

Its too racial

too masculine

too black.

<----

Soundcloud.com/aquil84

(HIP HOP)
http://aquil.bandcamp.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 10:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
42. "look at the big man here"
In response to Reply # 41


  

          

white people and women are all of a sudden incapable of controversial jokes

you're the lit one, everyone else is a dweeb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
eclipsedInI
Member since Jul 29th 2002
92840 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:21 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
51. "you are either non-black, or was in the military after ROTC in the burbs"
In response to Reply # 41


          

_____________________
puttin' the roota in the toota since 98'

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Sofian_Hadi
Member since Jan 03rd 2003
3634 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
55. "He's not some millionaire Malcolm X. This isnt bravery. "
In response to Reply # 41
Thu Oct-07-21 08:47 AM by Sofian_Hadi

          

Calm down

---------------------------------------

"The world is before you and you need not take it or leave it as it was when you came in." - James Baldwin

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
69. "i think this was less black, racial and masculine than 8:46"
In response to Reply # 41


  

          

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
NappySoul
Member since Sep 12th 2019
5 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
139. "That part"
In response to Reply # 41


          

>.Of course dweebs on this messageboard wouldn't like it.
>
>Its too racial
>
>too masculine
>
>too black.
>
>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
142. " most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships..."
In response to Reply # 41


          

with their fathers, grandfathers or uncles and are abhorred by the average opinion of an old black man.

Its difficult to be politically correct in today's comedy scene.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:50 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
152. "it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedian"
In response to Reply # 142


  

          

stupid thoughts that old black men have dont need to be broadcasted on Netflix

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:56 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
154. "RE: it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedi..."
In response to Reply # 152


          

>stupid thoughts that old black men have dont need to be
>broadcasted on Netflix

is it really just old black men though?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
166. "Im directly quoting you"
In response to Reply # 154


  

          

most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships
with their fathers, grandfathers or uncles and are abhorred by the average opinion of an old black man.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
168. "you are, but does that answer my question?"
In response to Reply # 166


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
soulpsychodelicyde
Member since Nov 18th 2003
12082 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 12:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
163. "LOL. WHAT?!?!"
In response to Reply # 142


          


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
MEAT
Member since Feb 08th 2008
21227 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 06:25 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
192. "I thought you were Black. "
In response to Reply # 142


  

          

Because you posting real Tucker Carlson right now

------
“There is no fate that cannot be surmounted by scorn.” -Albert Camus

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Wed Oct-06-21 11:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
43. "i liked it. damn he's locked in tho"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

it's become really personal. the more people tell him what he needs to not talk about or how he needs to 'catch up' the more he's gonna keep barking back.

it's interesting to watch.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Rjcc
Charter member
93712 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 07:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
48. "this is the loserest shit ever"
In response to Reply # 43


          

who is actually telling him he needs to do anything other than the people paying him hundreds of millions of dollars to do exactly what he's been doing?

and you talking about bro like he's making some sacrifice for the world, you niggas will never get free LOL

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 11:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
64. "you really do love making shit up"
In response to Reply # 48


  

          

>and you talking about bro like he's making some sacrifice for
>the world

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Rjcc
Charter member
93712 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
70. "these are your words"
In response to Reply # 64


          

"the more people tell him what he needs to not talk about or how he needs to 'catch up' the more he's gonna keep barking back."


completely made up shit.

nobody is telling him shit, he lives on a farm in ohio the only people he hears from are people he wants to talk to. he's not barking back at shit.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 04:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
80. "Where's the part where i said he was making some big sacrifice to the wo..."
In response to Reply # 70


  

          

or even implied that

>completely made up shit.

I made an observation that he's being reactive to his criticism on this issue.. which he specifically talks about in the special.. and i do think he's overly locked on it. i'm not saying he's "being silenced" but the notion that no one is telling him shit is false.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Rjcc
Charter member
93712 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
102. "well, if he says he's reacting to criticism "
In response to Reply # 80


          

then I guess you gotta accept that as the actual truth

even though it defies any logic

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

eclipsedInI
Member since Jul 29th 2002
92840 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:27 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
52. "but for real, Katt Williams said it best......."
In response to Reply # 0


          

any comedian that feels he's being silenced just isn't being funny

if it's funny, it will land

He's a grown incel at this point, and he's surrounded himself with other like minds

kweli

kanye

self-professed deep thinkers, that believe they are pushing philosophy, instead of a time capsule of ideas

I admittedly haven't watched it because I refuse to give light to anything transphobic or homophobic etc. in the last few years

i might have to watch it, just to strengthen my anger and disgust

_____________________
puttin' the roota in the toota since 98'

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
42712 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
202. "Imagine living in a world where Katt Williams is the voice of reason...."
In response to Reply # 52


  

          

********************************
http://www.last.fm/user/Nspades

Get Out The Room!
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
@fakewilliamkatt
www.wickedradionetwork.com

"The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion" - Paulo Coehlo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
53. "okay.. I watched some of it and I get what people are saying"
In response to Reply # 0


          

while funny..

dude has either run out of material or he really really really is trying to piss people off because he knows this shit triggers people.

I’m sure people who swore they would stop watching Chapelle will tune in just to see what he said this time

and I can’t front, the Dababy Walmart shooting example is pretty wild.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Numba_33
Charter member
17975 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:37 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
54. "I have to assume Dave got tons of love"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Oct-07-21 08:45 AM by Numba_33

  

          

from right-wing folks with this last couple of specials based off his LGBT views. Assuming that's the case, pretty odd to see Chappelle get support from the crowd, but here we are I suppose. Also pretty odd how roughly 2/3rds of this special was devoted to that subject, but I guess that's what been on Dave's mind for these last couple of years for what ever reasons.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 10:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
62. "What does RW love feel like? "
In response to Reply # 54


          

I seriously doubt Dave cares what party affiliation each Netflix click belongs to..



****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Numba_33
Charter member
17975 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 03:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
76. "I won't post the link"
In response to Reply # 62


  

          

but I saw on twitter that Jason Whitlock was giving praise to this special. He said it was the bravest comedy routine he's ever seen.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 03:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
77. "you see Jason Whitlock tweets on your feed?"
In response to Reply # 76


          

I deleted my account.

I don't like how someone you don't like will tweet on a topic and that instantly mens you are now in their camp.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
13418 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:57 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
57. "As for the trans jokes, idk how he expects to laugh WITH"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Oct-07-21 09:04 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

the trans community when there's such a fundamental disagreement. Anytime you talk to a trans woman, they'll say they've always been women from birth and that their body just didn't match the inside. "Sex is between the legs & gender is between the ears" they say (I think I'm saying that right). So when Dave says he's done telling jokes about the lgbt community until he's sure they're laughing together, that's one of the most obvious reasons yall aren't.

Also, while the story about his trans friend was quite touching, I have to ask myself if HE wonders whether or not his insistence on referring to trans women as men had some impact on her. Granted, there are people like Flame Monroe who don't give a damn what you call them because they identify as both on occasion, but idk much about his friend. I think you have to be careful when you're such a widely admired person, because it's possible that people will deal with less-than-favorable treatment to be close to you. I mean, THE Dave Chappelle let her open for him, so maybe she wasn't going to say "hey Dave, it's really offensive when you call us men" for fear of getting kicked off the show. And that kind of thing will eat at a person, make them depressed... suicidal, even... to think "here I am on the biggest stage I ever imagined, and it's given to me by my famous 'friend' who doesn't fully acknowledge me. Is this the best the world has to offer me?" If he had been able to think of that and address it here in the special, that would've been a real thoughtful and vulnerable moment. He recalls her singing his praise about not punching up or down, referring to him as her friend. I wonder if it's hard to for him to imagine that maybe she was seeing the best in him and loving him the way she wished her would love and see the best in her. Chappelle expressing these kinds of considerations probably would've done a lot of good for a lot of people

~
~
~
~
~
Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Trinity444
Charter member
41673 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 03:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
78. "he touched on that too…"
In response to Reply # 57


  

          

they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s human. or something like that, lol

that was the lightbulb moment for me….

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
91. "What's the lightbulb?"
In response to Reply # 78


  

          

>they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she
>said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s
>human. or something like that, lol
>
>that was the lightbulb moment for me….

Cool. This is no different from the "I have a black friend, and HE said...." retorts people give when addressing their interactions with the community on the whole.

Because Dave's stance is, essentially, if you were born with a dick, you're still not a woman, not really, because gender is a fact.

And he's just plain fucking wrong. It's a social construct.

And "not forgetting that she's human" is one thing. That's what she's saying to him. That's their dynamic.

Thing is, it's dehumanizing to deny her- and every other member of her community- her gender identity.

The rest of his story about her does nothing to fix that problem.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
13418 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 06:22 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
110. "That's badly misquoted. I think you're talking about the part..."
In response to Reply # 78


          

where he tells the story of being on stage while she was in the audience. They were having a back-and-forth dialog, and then he tell her that he loves her but doesn't understand what she's saying. She then responds with "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to believe that I'm having a human experience." Personally, I don't see why that's a mindblowing or light bulb moment. She's a human being. What else would she be having? Furthermore, he went on to say he believed her because she didn't say anything about pronouns or about him being in trouble. If she'd said something about him being in trouble, would he have been to defensive to see her humanity? That might be the part of this whole thing that can be squarely blamed on him. And if pronouns would shake his belief in her humanity, maybe he still isn't totally seeing her. I get that he's saying a person's humanity matters more than anything else, but a person's desires, boundaries, wishes, etc all matter as well. People are mistreated, devalued, and silenced every day by people who understand that they are humans. But I mean... if he helped somebody see that trans humans are human, that's a good thing no matter how troubling it may be that they couldn't see it in the first place. There's just more to respecting a person than understanding that they're human.



>they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she
>said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s
>human. or something like that, lol
>
>that was the lightbulb moment for me….
>
>

~
~
~
~
~
Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Trinity444
Charter member
41673 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 08:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
112. "damn lol…"
In response to Reply # 110


  

          

I don’t view it from that lens. at this point in my life, it’s makes better sense to meet people where their at. it’s not on me to say if it’s right or wrong. that’s how I free myself….

regarding the lightbulb moment…however misquoted, it was the moment that I felt like i understood his point. my assessment of it is in my original reply to this post…


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Heinz
Member since Dec 26th 2003
20359 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 12:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
65. "Some of the takes here saying they "got it""
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

but at the same time are fighting with their beliefs vs getting the joke or point of the entire special. Interesting to read.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 01:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
67. "Laughed a few times here and there"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

The story about his friend at the end was actually touching, I get the impression I believe his heart is in the right place but yeesh.

Odd that he KEEPS devoting so much time to LGBTQ people every special and just going out of his way to try purposely make people mad and then complaining about the result

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Trinity444
Charter member
41673 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 02:05 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
71. "the closer…"
In response to Reply # 0
Thu Oct-07-21 02:13 PM by Trinity444

  

          

he opened with how this will be his last one for a while and ended with someone dear to him being gay. I got vibes that he’s not gonna talk about it anymore…

he caught a lot of slack from the last one so he had to address it.

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 02:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
72. "RE: the closer…"
In response to Reply # 71


  

          

>he opened with how this will be his last one for a while and
>ended with someone dear to him being gay. I got vibes that
>he’s not gonna talk about it anymore…
>
>he caught a lot of slack from the last one so he had to
>addressed it.
>
Exactly.. he even stated this was the last on speaking on it

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

javi222
Member since Jun 14th 2003
4196 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 02:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
73. "He has kind of become a one trick pony "
In response to Reply # 0


          

Is it possible for him to do a routine without the typical “White people do this, Black people do this” *Pause and wait for audience to laugh*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 02:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
74. "Wasn't funny, but where was the malice in Dave's performance?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Dude disagrees with some view points of the lgbtqia community. And? What hatred was he spewing? You can disagree and still not hate a whole community.

- Is he an advocate for laws that target the lgbtqia community making it harder for them to vote in the name of voter fraud? We are literally watching the rights of Black people being stripped away right in front of our eyes and it is just......**shoulder shrugs**

- Is he advocating for pushing out the lgbtqia community via gentrification since the lgbtqia community has a history of being redlined and faced economic and environmental racism making it damn near impossible to obtain generational wealth?

- Has he made light of any deaths of any members of the lgbtqia community? Because from what I've seen, he made a whole special on a death that deeply effected him.

- Has he weaponized the police against any members of the lgbtqia community? Unfortunately, members of the lgbtqia community has weaponized the police against Black folk. Some of your 'Karens' are part of the lgbtqia (.....as well as feminist) community.

No?

Oh wait....his definition of what a man/woman is, is different from theirs? That equals hate and cancellation?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 02:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
75. "They comin for you"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

>Dude disagrees with some view points of the lgbtqia
>community. And? What hatred was he spewing? You can disagree
>and still not hate a whole community.
>
>- Is he an advocate for laws that target the lgbtqia community
>making it harder for them to vote in the name of voter fraud?
>We are literally watching the rights of Black people being
>stripped away right in front of our eyes and it is
>just......**shoulder shrugs**
>
>- Is he advocating for pushing out the lgbtqia community via
>gentrification since the lgbtqia community has a history of
>being redlined and faced economic and environmental racism
>making it damn near impossible to obtain generational wealth?
>
>- Has he made light of any deaths of any members of the
>lgbtqia community? Because from what I've seen, he made a
>whole special on a death that deeply effected him.
>
>- Has he weaponized the police against any members of the
>lgbtqia community? Unfortunately, members of the lgbtqia
>community has weaponized the police against Black folk. Some
>of your 'Karens' are part of the lgbtqia (.....as well as
>feminist) community.
>
>No?
>
>Oh wait....his definition of what a man/woman is, is different
>from theirs? That equals hate and cancellation?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
90. "lmao"
In response to Reply # 75


  

          

very true but it's aight though.

We should be able to have conversations of opposing view points without skipping steps and going straight to phobia/Nazi-ism/whatever.

Yes Dave is poking the bear...a lot....and I see it for what it is. And it is working.

People reacting without watching the special. People not even addressing what Dave was trying to say or offering any opposing viewpoints. They can't even sum up his special. just cherry picking.

It is all name calling and insults.

If you can be physiologically Caucasian, Asian, African or even deaf/blind....then why can't you physiologically be male or female?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 01:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
109. "the world gives trans people enough hell, they're seeking acceptance"
In response to Reply # 90


  

          


>If you can be physiologically Caucasian, Asian, African or
>even deaf/blind....then why can't you physiologically be male
>or female?

let's say Dave isnt transphobic, there's no denying he's insensitive

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22017 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 03:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
79. "not to invalidate your take, but your'e counter arguing non-arguments"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

I don't recall anyone here saying that he hates the LGBTQ community. it's a non issue in this discussion.

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 04:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
81. "Soooo.....what's the problem?"
In response to Reply # 79


  

          

It is not funny......and? Why the backlash and why is this thread so deep?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
83. "Your inability to read and repsond to the actual things people are actua..."
In response to Reply # 81
Thu Oct-07-21 05:20 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

saying.

That's a good place to start.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
85. "RE: Your inability to take your own advice would be a good place to star..."
In response to Reply # 83


  

          

84 replies in a thread....obviously it is more than Dave not being funny. Why such a strong response to an unfunny comedian who disagrees with some aspects of the lgbtqia?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:40 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
87. "See post 83. I did respond to what you actually said. "
In response to Reply # 85


  

          

You just ranted against a host of imagined objections that exist largely in your head.

Now you're mystified as to what the actual issue is.

So no, you're not even trying to listen to the objections people actually have, even as you made a long, impassioned argument against objections that aren't being raised.

Do you hear yourself?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:00 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
97. "RE: See Netflix. Did you even watch the special?"
In response to Reply # 87


  

          

If you did, then you would've realized I made the points he made in the special. And what I am saying is no one is really addressing the full scope of what he said. Just cherry picking and reacting. Some of his arguments are based in logic; he is not the monster that the media like to paint Black men. He may be wrong, but he is not a monster; there's a difference.
See.....'yourself' and think for a change and stop reacting.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
82. "This is on point."
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

You really showed those strawmen who's boss.


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
84. "I'm a huge fan and I honestly thought this was one of his weakest shows...."
In response to Reply # 0


          

but I also understand in today's PC society how hard comedy is.

Kevin Hart tries to be as PG as any top comic and people love to scream about how "not funny" he is and they dug up 10 year-old tweets to try to sink him.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
86. "Dave was like Fuck It on some George Karlin shit"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Some of it made me cringe, some I agreed with and I laughed a few.


Where was the lie though?

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Reeq
Member since Mar 11th 2013
12338 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:45 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
88. "ironically george carlin would have been against what dave has been doin..."
In response to Reply # 86


  

          

and would have clearly considered it punching down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8

which is why its funny to see people always prop carlin up as the patron saint of the anti cancel culture movement (not you just people in general). like did anyone actually go look at his own words? its like when conservatives use their bastardized version of mlk to criticize modern day protests for racial/economic equality.

its pretty interesting that daves act has essentially evolved from freeform/abstract to just a more high brow version of what andrew dice clay was doing in the 90s (what carlin was speaking on).

------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 05:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
89. "Eddie is my comedy GOAT and he would be crucified today for the shit..."
In response to Reply # 88


          

he was saying in the 80's, he saw it coming and tried to steer into the PG lane and got crucified for that.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 06:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
92. "Same. Thing is, Eddie has denounced that shit"
In response to Reply # 89


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
103. "does that matter? Hart denounced his shit and they still tried to cancel..."
In response to Reply # 92


          

him...

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 11:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
105. "It does to me. "
In response to Reply # 103


  

          

There's always some "they" trying to do xyz.

Far as I can tell, Kevin Hart is doing just fine.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 07:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
111. "he is but the Oscar thing was huge..."
In response to Reply # 105


          


>Far as I can tell, Kevin Hart is doing just fine.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 07:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
95. "i mean if we're gonna cherrypick Carlin"
In response to Reply # 88
Thu Oct-07-21 07:11 PM by Mynoriti

  

          

how would any of this go over now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMiSsxpP0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2NjUKOw1Qg

not to say his views on anything can't change but that includes the whole "Carlin shuts down the cancel culture whiners" thing.
there's a lottt of footage of him going on about PC stuff, language policing and pretty much any kind of group think

I don't think we have any idea what his reaction to Dave would be

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 11:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
125. "yup.. Carlin is the past person anyone should us against Dave"
In response to Reply # 95


          

dude has way too much material that goes against what progressives champion in 2021

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 12:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
164. "You misundertand Carlin"
In response to Reply # 95


          

Carlin is talking about LANGUAGE.

>how would any of this go over now?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMiSsxpP0E
Here he's talking about LANGUAGE. He never says "cripples seem weird to me" and he didn't spend segments on 5 different show on cripples, or lookism, or saying that "slow" children are weird.

He was MUCH kinder than Dave is being.


Remember there are 3 version of older Carlin on stage.
1)George Carlin - The real man - who was a little cranky about language, but over-all warm.
2)"George Carlin" - The crank character who ranted and was a little meaner.
3)Depressed George Carlin - After his wife died Georg 1 and 2 combined, with #2 taking over the dominant personality and jettisoning the warmth almost entirely.

For me Carlin lost a BIG STEP and a lot of his humanity after his wife died, and by the mid 2000s he was PURE nihilist on stage.

But in ALL of it I didn't see him as targeting a group as relentless as Dave has --especially one that was not a the status quo/in charge.



------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 03:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
173. "Nope"
In response to Reply # 164


  

          

I asked how would this go over today. You think people would stop and try to understand his larger point about language?

Especially if he's leading with phrases like "the PC liberal language police"... etc.. Or talking about the dangers of what happens when well intended liberals get together with an agenda

How about his n-bomb bit. Would his overall point give him a pass to say it in 2021?

I never compared Carlin talking about Disabled people to Dave talking about Trans people. You're responding to something I didn't say

though it probably wouldn't matter. I'm not sure why his clip on punching down is treated as gospel on twitter, vs so many things he's said that MOST people on either side wouldn't differentiate from something Jordan Peterson would say

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 01:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
107. "I don’t see how the clip applies"
In response to Reply # 88


  

          

Who is the underdog, the LGBTQ community? In Hollywood?

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 06:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
93. "Critics call to cancel Dave Chappelle, Netflix for ‘ridiculing trans p..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/critics-blast-dave-chappelle-netflix-for-ridiculing-trans-people/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=1460827&fbclid=IwAR3tlXfK8Dypd02qMJAYkeDcuJ8-HY9QGkv7tlLEAPXhKrxKztmE1VemgoI

Cancel culture is threatening to shut down Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer.”

The always outspoken standup comic is pushing the public’s buttons again — and a swelling wave of culture critics and activist organizations are calling for his brand-new Netflix special to be yanked from the streaming giant’s catalog.

The special — the sixth and final in the Emmy winner’s big-bucks deal with Netflix — premiered Tuesday, and immediately stoked the flames of controversy with incendiary jokes about transgender women.

Chappelle, 48, is also being accused of defending what many perceived to be problematic comments by rapper DaBaby and “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling, as well as deflecting criticism he faced for cracking wise about the trans community in previous specials “Equanimity” and “Sticks & Stones.”

In “The Closer,” Chappelle declares that he’s joining Rowling in “Team TERF!” (the acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist), and conflated rapper DaBaby’s homophobic statements at a show over the summer with systemic racism.

Dave Chappelle's "The Closer” premiered Tuesday on Netflix. It’s his final standup special for the streaming network.
Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer” premiered Tuesday on Netflix. When confronted by paparazzi asking for comment about backlash, he ignored them, muttering: “Dumb-ass questions.”
Mathieu Bitton
“In our country, you can shoot and kill a — but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings,” Chappelle says onstage, referencing a 2018 shooting incident involving the rapper at a Walmart in North Carolina. The 19-year-old victim later died.

The brewing backlash is ample — but perhaps most shocking is the reaction from one of Netflix’s own: Jaclyn Moore, executive producer and showrunner of the streaming giant’s “Dear White People.”

Moore bluntly declared her self “done” with Netflix.


“I love so many of the people I’ve worked with at Netflix,” she shared on Twitter after detailing her own transition in a passionate post. “Brilliant people and executives who have been collaborative and fought for important art,” Moore continued. “ I will not work with them as long as they continue to put out and profit from blatantly and dangerously transphobic content.”

“Chappelle’s brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.”
GLAAD, in a statement about “The Closer”
Meanwhile, the National Black Justice Coalition, a civil rights advocacy group focused on the LGBTQ+ community, goes so far as to prod Netflix to pull “The Closer” from its menu.

“With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States — the majority of whom are Black transgender people — Netflix should know better,” NBJC executive director David Johns said in a statement to Deadline. “Perpetuating transphobia perpetuates violence. Netflix should immediately pull ‘The Closer’ from its platform and directly apologize to the transgender community.”

LGBTQ+ advocacy leaders at GLAAD also called out the acclaimed comic’s pattern of degrading jokes, declaring: “Chappelle’s brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.”


“Oh, I’m jealous. I’m not the only black person that feels this way. We look at the gay community, we go, ‘Goddamn it — look at how well that movement is going! Look at how well you are doing.’ And we’ve been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years. How the f–k are you making that kind of progress?”

However, Chappelle goes on to claim there’s a big difference between the “old-school gangsta gays” who fought for change during the Stonewall era.

“I’m not that fond of these newer gays. Too sensitive. Too brittle. Those aren’t the gays I grew up with … They fought for their freedom. I respect that s–t.”

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 06:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
94. "he saw it coming thus the "retirement" announcement, I think Netflix..."
In response to Reply # 93


          

paid him upfront so his pockets straight regardless

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 07:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
96. "Stop punching down on my people"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Dude is dope.
Nice usage of storytelling to address the race/class entitlements in the white LBGTQ movement

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
98. "geez!"
In response to Reply # 96
Thu Oct-07-21 08:10 PM by EAS

  

          

How did people not get this when watching the special? I didn't think he was funny but I thought he did a great job expressing his point of view as well as pointing out the hypocrisy of a movement that is doing a lot of the cancelling.
It's a great opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and clarity but way too many are in their feelings and over reacting.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 08:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
99. "He hangs out with alt-right wingers and billionaires...."
In response to Reply # 98


          

>How did people not get this when watching the special? I
>didn't think he was funny but I thought he did a great job
>expressing his point of view as well as pointing out the
>hypocrisy of a movement that is doing a lot of the
>cancelling.
>It's a great opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and clarity
>but way too many are in their feelings and over reacting.

...But the real powerful group he's taking on are LGBTQ??

Delusional.

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
100. "One of the major funders of the US trans activist community"
In response to Reply # 99


          

is a right wing, trans, billionaire, lol (Jennifer Pritzker, born James Nicholas Pritzker)
I don't know how or why people keep assuming LBGTQ is totally leftist.
The white LBGTQ community is pretty conservative, cuz white.
And compared to my people?
yeah they are waaaaaay more powerful, cuz white.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28393 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:02 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
113. "If any of us say this in public, WE CANCELED"
In response to Reply # 100


  

          

>is a right wing, trans, billionaire, lol (Jennifer Pritzker,
>born James Nicholas Pritzker)
>I don't know how or why people keep assuming LBGTQ is totally
>leftist.
>The white LBGTQ community is pretty conservative, cuz white.
>And compared to my people?
>yeah they are waaaaaay more powerful, cuz white.
>

They going to human resources with phantom complaints and screenshots going on campaigns against you. By the way, none of this excessive backlash canceling applies to other communities. There's a whole discussion we could have on this about targeting, bullying, and buck breaking...

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6448 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 11:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
252. "man listen"
In response to Reply # 100


          

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 11:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
106. "Yeah....Talib, Yasiin, Black Thought, and Common fit nicely "
In response to Reply # 99


  

          

in that category. Dave is the type that hangs with everyone. Who knows why? Who cares?

So you think Dave is trending, and this post is mad deep, because of how funny his Netflix special is? Or is it because he brought up something those, in a particular community, may not like?

Where ever there is white people there is entitlement and privilege. Doesn't matter whether left or right wing. The lgbtqia pretends to be all inclusive. But the same way white feminists could give a damn about Black women, it is the same for that community as well....so enough of the bullshit.



  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Heinz
Member since Dec 26th 2003
20359 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:35 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
116. "LOL name them"
In response to Reply # 99


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:47 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
119. "Picture"
In response to Reply # 116


          

https://res.cloudinary.com/culturemap-com/image/upload/ar_4:3,c_fill,g_faces:center,w_980/v1611328676/photos/318071_original.png

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Heinz
Member since Dec 26th 2003
20359 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 10:06 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
121. "LOL oh are we in a Mean Girls mentality?"
In response to Reply # 119


  

          

This is your definition of all? A picture backstage sums up his group of friends or his inner circle?

Kweli and Segura had a great discussion about this very subject on his last ep.

But okay.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 10:46 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
123. "Where does the word "all" appear in his post?"
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
Heinz
Member since Dec 26th 2003
20359 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 10:54 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
124. "My bad, I thought that said "all""
In response to Reply # 123


  

          

Argument still applies though. Why does a backstage photo sum up his own belief system? This is on some high school Mean Girls mentality shit and it's weird.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 09:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
101. "Black liberals exist to scold Black folks that don't parrot white people"
In response to Reply # 98


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
120. "They will push Black women and children out the way "
In response to Reply # 101


          

to shield those folks.. lol.

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 10:10 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
122. "it never fails, and once you see the pattern, you can't unsee it."
In response to Reply # 120


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
153. "do Kevin Hart and Katt Williams parrot white people?"
In response to Reply # 101


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Wed Oct-13-21 01:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
298. "yep"
In response to Reply # 101
Wed Oct-13-21 01:57 PM by napturalmystic

  

          

.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Thu Oct-07-21 10:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
104. "Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman Fr..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer

Dave Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman From ‘The Closer'


The family of Daphne Dorman, the late transgender comedian who Dave Chappelle highlights in his new Netflix special “The Closer,” say he’s an LGBTQ ally and meant the world to her.
Cheyenne Roundtree
Entertainment Reporter
Updated Oct. 07, 2021 1:45PM ET / Published Oct. 06, 2021 10:46PM ET


It didn’t take long for Dave Chappelle’s sixth Netflix stand-up special The Closer, which dropped early Tuesday morning, to have critics and some fans shaking their heads by the afternoon.

The 48-year-old was quickly taken to task by the LGBTQ community for wading into the controversy surrounding rapper DaBaby, who inexplicably spewed homophobic comments during his performance at Miami’s Rolling Loud festival over the summer.

ADVERTISING

Chappelle also took a stand for Harry Potter author turned anti-trans activist J.K. Rowling. “Effectively, she said gender was a fact, the trans community got mad as fuck, they started calling her a TERF,” he said, adding, “I’m Team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.”

And, as he began to close the show out, Chappelle launched into a story about his friend and fellow comedian, Daphne Dorman—a transgender woman he’d struck up a friendship with after bonding over their shared humor and their ability to have an open conversation about identity.

He had previously referred to their friendship in his 2019 Netflix special Sticks & Stones, and credited Dorman for defending him against similar admonishment after some of his jokes in the set were labeled transphobic.

The crowd let out a slight gasp when Chappelle stated that Dorman had taken her own life in October 2019, a few weeks after sticking up for him online. “I don’t know what the trans community did for her,” Chappelle said, “but I don’t care, because I feel like she wasn’t their tribe. She was mine. She was a comedian in her soul.”


Chappelle finished the show by declaring he'd be hitting pause on jokes about the LGBTQ community until he and the LGBTQ community could both be laughing together again. “I’m telling you, it’s done. I’m done talking about it,” he concluded. “All I ask of your community, with all humility: Will you please stop punching down on my people?”

And while some voiced concerns that Chappelle may be using his relationship as a cheap get-out-of-jail-free card to validate his earlier line of commentary, Dorman’s family believes there should be no offense taken, for they certainly aren’t.

Two of Dorman’s sisters told The Daily Beast they were outraged at the suggestion that Chappelle’s set was transphobic or derogatory toward the LGBTQ community, saying they wanted to make clear they supported the comedian.

“Daphne was in awe of Dave’s graciousness,” Dorman’s sister Becky wrote in a text. “She did not find his jokes rude, crude, off-coloring, off-putting, anything. She thought his jokes were funny. Daphne understood humor and comedy—she was not offended. Why would her family be offended?”

“Dave loved my sister and is an LGBTQ ally,” Dorman’s younger sister Brandy added in a text message. “His entire set was begging to end this very situation.”

Dave loved my sister and is an LGBTQ ally. His entire set was begging to end this very situation.
“At this point I feel like he poured his heart out in that special and no one noticed,” Brandy wrote in a separate Facebook post. “What he’s saying to the LGBTQ family is, ‘I see you. Do you see me? I’m mourning my friend in the best way I know how. Can you see me? Can you allow me that?’... This was a call to come together, that two oppressed factions of our nation put down their keyboards and make peace. How sad that this message was lost in translation.”

Dorman, a San Francisco-based activist, software engineer, and aspiring actress, had met Chappelle on the comedy circuit; he recalled in a “hidden extra” of Sticks & Stones that Dorman had been “laughing the hardest” at some of his jokes that many deemed transphobic.

The two developed a friendship, with Chappelle offering to give Dorman pointers as she launched her stand-up career, even inviting her to open a show for him while he was in San Francisco.

Thrilled by the shoutout in Sticks & Stones, Dorman confirmed in an Instagram post that she was the woman Chappelle was talking about, happily freaking out that her photo appeared after former President Barack Obama’s photo.


But as the backlash against Chappelle grew, Dorman felt moved to speak out. “​​Punching down requires you to consider yourself superior to another group. He doesn’t consider himself better than me in any way. He isn’t punching up or punching down. He’s punching lines. That’s his job and he’s a master of his craft,” she wrote, a line Chappelle repeated in The Closer.

Dorman took her own life on Oct. 11, 2019 at the age of 44, and The Closer was released a few days shy of the second anniversary of her passing. “To those of you who are mad at me: please forgive me,” she had written in a final Facebook post. “To those of you who wonder if you failed me: you didn’t. To those of you feel like I failed you: I did and I’m sorry and I hope you’ll remember me in better times and better light.”

Becky wanted to make clear that her family does not blame Dorman’s death on Chappelle. “After she committed suicide, all I saw all over social media was Dave Chappelle-bashing,” she said. “I commented on so many posts, which is something I do not do. I commented to defend Dave.

“No one knows what life was like for my siblings and I,” she added. “We are products of how we were brought . Dave was the biggest bright spot for Daphne; she was enamored for the first time. Blaming Dave is beyond the wrong thing to do. He helped her and let her be comfortable while talking with him. She had many demons; Dave Chappelle was NOT one of them.”

Becky confirmed that over the summer, Chappelle had finalized setting up a college fund for Dorman’s young daughter, adding that she had planned to watch the special later that night. “I saw his first special and was thrilled for my sister and even more so after we got to talk about together,” she wrote.

“The man loved my sister and felt empathy towards her human experience and, yes, he makes terrible jokes that are also funny,” Brandy added in her Facebook post. “News flash, our whole family does that. Our funerals are laughter through tears, we mourn by remembering the times we laughed together, and yes, some inappropriate humor, too... As often as Dave stands up for Daphne, we will be there for Dave. This man is our tribe, and we mourn alongside him.”


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 01:05 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
108. "SPACE JEWS"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I knew they were coming for him on that alone 🤣

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:44 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
118. "Come on now, Mel Brooks did that 40 years ago"
In response to Reply # 108


          

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 05:34 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
147. "And? Shit was still funny and you can’t tell them shit"
In response to Reply # 118


  

          

I’m glad he said it

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 09:04 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
114. "I loved it."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

lotta truth a lotta laughs


--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Beamer6178
Member since Jan 09th 2006
6042 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 12:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
126. "I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Growing up in a fairly conservative environment and being the "only" or "first" Black everything, LGBTQ was not something being championed, and I did encounter a handful of openly gay people, though none during my K-12 years, which, wrapping in the mid 90s was a torrent of pejoratives and slurs that were rarely delivered with literal intent. Not as if that shit made it ANY more comfortable for any students TO come out.

After 4 years at a liberal arts institution, seeing LGBTQ and POC as in alliance became normalized. So while white folks have long lacked the power to truly disappoint me (can only pleasantly surprise me), it was interesting being at a 4th of July party for a gay co-worker where only three women (my future wife included) were present and presumably every other of the 40 something men, except one other, was gay. Though I hadn't been in such a space since college, the only memorable takeaway from that evening was the white judge (I'm not sure whether he had come out or was closeted) who was unapologetically Islamophobic. The thought of him making decisions affecting lives daily with that mindset was troubling, to put it mildly. This was nearly 20 years ago.

Every topic he discussed, to me, extracted or underscored whiteness. Having dealt with anti-Blackness in subtle, overt, benign, or toxic forms for most of my life, the whiteness examination resonates strongly. That folks are walking past that, when so many of his previous bits did not uplift or celebrate folks, but instead made a point is interesting. I also find it telling that his use of "bitch" has never impacted folks' consumption of his context, despite the many graphic and disrespectful ways he's spoken about women in his comedy.

What I find most singular about Dave is that he did the unthinkable in walking away from that amount of money, came back, and actually surpassed his previously reached apex. I am sure there is a part of him that has never fully recovered from the brutality of the industry, who had influence/who was protected or favored and it seems that more than anything, THAT is what he takes personal.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 12:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
127. "RE: I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything"
In response to Reply # 126
Fri Oct-08-21 01:00 PM by rdhull

  

          

>Growing up in a fairly conservative environment and being the
>"only" or "first" Black everything, LGBTQ was not something
>being championed, and I did encounter a handful of openly gay
>people, though none during my K-12 years, which, wrapping in
>the mid 90s was a torrent of pejoratives and slurs that were
>rarely delivered with literal intent. Not as if that shit
>made it ANY more comfortable for any students TO come out.
>
>After 4 years at a liberal arts institution, seeing LGBTQ and
>POC as in alliance became normalized. So while white folks
>have long lacked the power to truly disappoint me (can only
>pleasantly surprise me), it was interesting being at a 4th of
>July party for a gay co-worker where only three women (my
>future wife included) were present and presumably every other
>of the 40 something men, except one other, was gay. Though I
>hadn't been in such a space since college, the only memorable
>takeaway from that evening was the white judge (I'm not sure
>whether he had come out or was closeted) who was
>unapologetically Islamophobic. The thought of him making
>decisions affecting lives daily with that mindset was
>troubling, to put it mildly. This was nearly 20 years ago.
>
>Every topic he discussed, to me, extracted or underscored
>whiteness. Having dealt with anti-Blackness in subtle, overt,
>benign, or toxic forms for most of my life, the whiteness
>examination resonates strongly. That folks are walking past
>that, when so many of his previous bits did not uplift or
>celebrate folks, but instead made a point is interesting. I
>also find it telling that his use of "bitch" has never
>impacted folks' consumption of his context, despite the many
>graphic and disrespectful ways he's spoken about women in his
>comedy.
>
>What I find most singular about Dave is that he did the
>unthinkable in walking away from that amount of money, came
>back, and actually surpassed his previously reached apex. I
>am sure there is a part of him that has never fully recovered
>from the brutality of the industry, who had influence/who was
>protected or favored and it seems that more than anything,
>THAT is what he takes personal.

I was wondering about the 'bitch' and 'nigger-nigga' being said all throughout.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
soulpsychodelicyde
Member since Nov 18th 2003
12082 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 02:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
128. "You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…"
In response to Reply # 126


          

… Dave’s blind spots (to use an overly generous term) don’t just include the LGBTQIA community, but women as well.

But hatred of women is not a thing that people really care about so…

That said, I’m a huge Dave Chappelle fan. He is, quite clearly, a genius. That is why his blind spots are more glaring for me. More egregious. I wanna say, “you’re better/smarter than this, Dave.”

But alas, he ain’t.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 04:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
131. "RE: You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…"
In response to Reply # 128


          

>… Dave’s blind spots (to use an overly generous term)
>don’t just include the LGBTQIA community, but women as well.
>
>
>But hatred of women is not a thing that people really care
>about so…
>
>That said, I’m a huge Dave Chappelle fan. He is, quite
>clearly, a genius. That is why his blind spots are more
>glaring for me. More egregious. I wanna say, “you’re
>better/smarter than this, Dave.”
>
>But alas, he ain’t.

"LBGTQIA" just became a thing a few years ago, the average person of any age today probably couldn't tell what all the letters stand for off the top of their head, its it really that hard to believe that someone of Dave's generation has a "blind spot" there?

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
soulpsychodelicyde
Member since Nov 18th 2003
12082 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 09:59 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
149. "His generation? "
In response to Reply # 131


          

He is but a few years older than me. So yes… I expect him to be wise enough to be better. And really… what the letters mean is hardly the point and you know it.

But more importantly, it’s not that I don’t expect him, or anyone, to have blind spots. It’s that his level of genius — for me — means that I expect him to be better about acknowledging and navigating those blind spots without shitting on people. Maybe an unfair expectation, but it is how I feel.

I’m disappointed that he refuses to acknowledge them, and even more disappointed that he’s throwing his toys at the expense of these communities.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 10:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
150. "he's an almost 50 y/o black man, I know on super-woke OKP everyone tries..."
In response to Reply # 149
Sat Oct-09-21 10:43 AM by ThaTruth

          

to pretend they're super enlightened and evolved on every issue but we all know in the real world that's not the case...

>He is but a few years older than me. So yes… I expect him
>to be wise enough to be better. And really… what the letters
>mean is hardly the point and you know it.
>
>But more importantly, it’s not that I don’t expect him, or
>anyone, to have blind spots. It’s that his level of genius
>— for me — means that I expect him to be better about
>acknowledging and navigating those blind spots without
>shitting on people. Maybe an unfair expectation, but it is how
>I feel.
>
>I’m disappointed that he refuses to acknowledge them, and
>even more disappointed that he’s throwing his toys at the
>expense of these communities.

If you grew up with a father, grandfathers or uncles in your life different opinions and stubbornness or "blind spots" about certain issues that don't meet your expectations shouldn't really be that disappointing to you if you're realistic IRL. Maybe this is a referendum on your own feelings.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:00 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
156. "Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do better"
In response to Reply # 150
Sat Oct-09-21 11:01 AM by atruhead

  

          

saying "but look at how men his age think" speaks to your lowered expectations

If he could make 8:46, he could use the same depth and sensitivity towards others

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:14 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
161. "RE: Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do be..."
In response to Reply # 156


          

>saying "but look at how men his age think" speaks to your
>lowered expectations
>
>If he could make 8:46, he could use the same depth and
>sensitivity towards others

8:46 was a far more relatable topic

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
soulpsychodelicyde
Member since Nov 18th 2003
12082 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 12:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
162. "What in the entire fuck?"
In response to Reply # 161


          


>8:46 was a far more relatable topic


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
167. "is that not true?"
In response to Reply # 162


          


>>8:46 was a far more relatable topic

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
soulpsychodelicyde
Member since Nov 18th 2003
12082 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:07 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
159. "What are you even talking about?"
In response to Reply # 150


          

I very clearly stated that I understand and expect people to have blind spots. But I expect Dave to be better and smarter about acknowledging and navigating his. Unfair expectation? Maybe. But he’s smart enough to know and do better. And frankly, he understands the power he wields… and the implications of that power… that’s what led him to walk away from The Chappelle Show. So I absolutely expect him to — at minimum — be more careful with his platform. Instead, like a petulant child, he’s just choosing not to. Worse? He’s doubling down just because he can.

Trash behavior.

I’ll also say… that while the LGBTQIA community’s voice is as loud as it is is because of white people… we too often forget that there are MANY people who look like us that are a part of that community and they are affected (more acutely) when the Dave’s of the world use their platform to be shitty. While he’s super fucking busy saying “fuck you” to white people who dislike his posture around the LGBTQIA community (which, if I’ve not been clear, is fucking terrible), he’s putting Black people on the line.

Trash behavior.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 03:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
129. "I like Dave, think he's a Comedic Genius but equating"
In response to Reply # 126


  

          

the LGBT community and their criticisms of things he's said about them with Whiteness and white supremecy comes across as him to trying to shift the framing to make him appear as the underdog speaking up to some all powerful, dominant group instead of a Millionaire Cisgendered-Heterosexual Male being called out by a community that's faces leget issues because they don't fall under those prementioned categories

This also ignores the Non-White people in that community who aren't insulated by race/financial status who are more likely to be in poverty or targeted by violence due to their appearance/gender identity/sexuality.

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28393 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 04:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
130. "It's 100% a case of they white and they said so"
In response to Reply # 129


  

          


>
>This also ignores the Non-White people in that community who
>aren't insulated by race/financial status who are more likely
>to be in poverty or targeted by violence due to their
>appearance/gender identity/sexuality.
>

There's a reason Kevin Hart got more backlash than Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer. There's a reason DaBaby is canceled whereas the white artists aren't. If we being honest THEY don't care about the people you mentioned otherwise Ed Buck gets the same treatment Kevin Hart received.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 04:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
132. "Did a group of Black people actually make an issue of the shit"
In response to Reply # 130


  

          

that happened with Sarah Silverman or Amy Schumer?

I haven't seen either one of those 2 recently so maybe they did I dunno, Dave Chappelle has way more eyes on him than those 2 combined

As of now nothing has really "happened" to him other than people voicing disagreement with something he said, a Gay rights group asked Netflix to remove the special but there's a snowsball's chance in hell of them actually taking it down.



R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 07:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
135. "show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby did"
In response to Reply # 130


  

          

There's a reason DaBaby is canceled
>whereas the white artists aren't.

and even if this is the case (it isnt), homophobia isnt okay regardless of your fake double standard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
RagOnMe
Charter member
892 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
145. "RE: show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby di..."
In response to Reply # 135


          

https://images.app.goo.gl/6yqSee7wDgTauZDX6

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 06:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
148. "I remember that being a controversry/being talked about"
In response to Reply # 145


  

          

on MTV back in the day when it happened, although that was back in the 80s so he didn't get "Cancelled" until Grunge Rock killed all the Hair Metal stars

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

mrhood75
Member since Dec 06th 2004
43533 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 07:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
133. "Well, this post is a mess, but I watched it."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

IMHO, it's biggest "problem" that it isn't particularly funny. Outside of the MLK impressions, I barely chuckled.

Content-wise, there's a lot to unpack, but I think he's making a lot his arguments on bad faith. Honestly, it's a weird choice to make the subtext of the whole special about what happened to Da Baby. I wonder if he'd recording this a few weeks earlier or later if his whole set would have been completely different.

Yes, much of it is him trying to make points about intersectionality. I get that, but a lot of the times he comes off like Bill Maher after UC Berkeley students circulated a petition to ban him from campus. Most of the time he sounds mad that he can't tell jokes the way he used to/wants to. And I'm sorry, "killing someone's career" isn't at all like actually killing someone. Especially since getting "cancelled" his yet to actually end anyone's career as of yet.

I'd say the thing that I found the most problematic (along with his overall obsession with "LGBTQ people are being mean to me!") is that his main argument seems to be the women/LGBTQ aren't protesting or conducting themselves the way he wants them to or would like them to. And that's really arguing in bad faith. Especially the whole "I made a sacrifice and you didn't" stance.

And, yeah, I found the story at the end a bit disingenuous. As someone said above, it did come off as "Some of my best friends are Trans!" Then him sideways blaming the Trans community for her death was self-serving as well, on some, "Well, she didn't kill herself until she publicly defended me and the Trans community dragged on Twitter. So, you know..."

I don't know how long it'll be before he does another one of these. I don't think just "moving on" is going to be particularly. But I really hope when he comes back, it isn't more of, "These people are picking on me and it isn't fair." I don't need to hear another Eminem album.

-----------------

www.albumism.com

Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

https://www.mixcloud.com/returntozero/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Damali
Member since Sep 12th 2002
35338 posts
Fri Oct-08-21 11:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
137. "This thread sums him (and alot of y'all) up perfectly."
In response to Reply # 0


          

I already know most of y'all kneejerks won't read it or engage with the actual assertions in it; I'm posting it for okp posterity. Hopefully this entire post gets archived.

https://twitter.com/RaquelWillis_/status/1446516461091135496

"Dave Chappelle represents a segment of society (along with white supremacists, hoteps, incels, and others) that is anxious about the waning power of cisheteronormativity and the patriarchy.

People like him know that their outdated, limited view of the world is obsolete, and instead of transforming in the name of empathy and humility, they lean into toxicity.

Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted status quo.

It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.

With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating “the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even killing us.

Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti -LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white colonial power structure.

Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and transness as white inventions because much of the most regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical politicians.

Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms too.

Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle. The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on masculinity are losing their footing.

What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the gatekeepers of Black culture.

And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal “leadership?”

They feel owed the power that white cishet men have historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time they’re held accountable for their transphobia and queerphobia.

Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about “hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.

I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their identity means to them. Who are you without being the “head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the collaborative effort it truly is?

Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?

It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy, but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,” it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock tactic.

Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit. And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a meaningful way.

Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that to justify his hate.

You’re telling us that a community that has been so intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a society where trans folks continue to face systemic discrimination?

And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his “trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will be harassed and experience violence because he told millions of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?

Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any different than white people using their token Black friends as ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans” harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black” crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.

Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter), but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise. It’s all nonsensical.

d

"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Mgmt
Member since Feb 17th 2005
21439 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 12:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
138. "cisheteronormativity"
In response to Reply # 137


  

          

>I already know most of y'all kneejerks won't read it or
>engage with the actual assertions in it; I'm posting it for
>okp posterity. Hopefully this entire post gets archived.
>
>https://twitter.com/RaquelWillis_/status/1446516461091135496
>
>"Dave Chappelle represents a segment of society (along with
>white supremacists, hoteps, incels, and others) that is
>anxious about the waning power of cisheteronormativity and the
>patriarchy.
>
>People like him know that their outdated, limited view of the
>world is obsolete, and instead of transforming in the name of
>empathy and humility, they lean into toxicity.
>
>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.
>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.
>
>Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just
>dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack
>to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti
>-LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white
>colonial power structure.
>
>Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and
>transness as white inventions because much of the most
>regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been
>exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical
>politicians.
>
>Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his
>gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are
>scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context
>where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms
>too.
>
>Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle.
>The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are
>really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on
>masculinity are losing their footing.
>
>What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the
>fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They
>take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the
>gatekeepers of Black culture.
>
>And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to
>contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more
>charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal
>“leadership?”
>
>They feel owed the power that white cishet men have
>historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think
>we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time
>they’re held accountable for their transphobia and
>queerphobia.
>
>Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t
>entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about
>“hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way
>of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is
>rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.
>
>I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their
>identity means to them. Who are you without being the
>“head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if
>you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the
>collaborative effort it truly is?
>
>Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity
>and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences
>of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?
>
>It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once
>someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy,
>but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,”
>it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock
>tactic.
>
>Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else
>to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit.
>And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a
>skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a
>meaningful way.
>
>Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his
>special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously
>went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that
>to justify his hate.
>
>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?
>
>And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his
>“trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will
>be harassed and experience violence because he told millions
>of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?
>
>Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any
>different than white people using their token Black friends as
>ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans”
>harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black”
>crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.
>
>Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is
>disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a
>real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter),
>but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise.
>It’s all nonsensical.
>
>d
>
>"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of
>people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing
>at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:06 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
143. "all these new words"
In response to Reply # 138


          

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
15821 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 06:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
190. "Is there an English version"
In response to Reply # 138


  

          

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
13418 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
144. "Some good points and some really bad ones too."
In response to Reply # 137


          

There are some good points in here tho...


>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.
>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.
>
>Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just
>dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack
>to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti
>-LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white
>colonial power structure.
>
>Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and
>transness as white inventions because much of the most
>regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been
>exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical
>politicians.




I actually don't disagree with any of that. Even the part about Chappelle "underscoring the bigoted status quo." That's a fair accusation. But she starts trying to be a psychologist... one who comes across very unaware of the Black community's historical trajectory, especially Black men.




>Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his
>gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are
>scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context
>where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms
>too.
>
>Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle.
>The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are
>really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on
>masculinity are losing their footing.
>
>What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the
>fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They
>take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the
>gatekeepers of Black culture.
>
>And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to
>contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more
>charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal
>“leadership?”
>
>They feel owed the power that white cishet men have
>historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think
>we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time
>they’re held accountable for their transphobia and
>queerphobia.


None of that is verifiable. It's nothing more than a narrative created to explain what she's seeing. It's not informed by history or stats.
Black men writ-large have never sought to be white men or to have the power that they have. These are the kinds of narratives created when no one actually cares what Black men have to say, never finds it odd that institutions reject our studies of ourselves, and it's considered taboo to humanize our experience of white patriarchy, which disproportionately targets us for death and torture.




>Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t
>entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about
>“hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way
>of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is
>rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.
>
>I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their
>identity means to them. Who are you without being the
>“head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if
>you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the
>collaborative effort it truly is?



Does she realize how many of us are raised by single mothers and exist in heavily matriarchal communities. How many of us grow up having never seen a Black man even stand up to a Black woman in our personal lives? How many of us know all the women in our lineage while the men are spoken about in passing or as utilities... or just negatively overall? In other words, the vast majority of Black men ALREADY know who we are without being the "head". It's the position our community is in now and has been in for about 40 or 50 yrs at least.



>Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity
>and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences
>of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?
>
>It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once
>someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy,
>but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,”
>it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock
>tactic.



People aren't woke on race. People have some awareness but are mostly wildly uninformed historically and statistically. Unfortunately, she's proving that point.



>Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else
>to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit.
>And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a
>skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a
>meaningful way.



I don't see any lies there. The tone of the piece just seems to be using "cishet Black man" with some suggestion that cishet Black men operate with some disproportionate privilege with regard to the rest of the Black community, which has been thoroughly debunked at this point.



>Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his
>special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously
>went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that
>to justify his hate.




Can't be mad at her for saying that. I'd say with him it's more an unwillingness to accept the concept of people being born into the wrong body as legit, but I understand why she says he's using Daphne's story to justify it.




>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?




Idk why she finds that impossible to believe. Oppressed communities attack each other all the time due to differing beliefs on how their oppression should be handled.



>And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his
>“trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will
>be harassed and experience violence because he told millions
>of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?



That's a bit hyperbolic. He told some jokes that were in bad taste, yet he also told a story of hanging out with this person, and inviting her on his show... becoming her friend. Her family loves Dave, etc. Idk if that's "telling millions of people to not take their experiences and voices seriously", especially when he literally says he believed her when she said she was having a human experience. Granted, I have a more nuanced view of that elsewhere in the post, and while I don't necessarily feel it's enough, I don't think he's calling for or encouraging violence against trans people. If anything, he encouraged HIS crowd to show more understanding to trans people than they currently do. That's where I have to say Trinity kinda has a point about meeting people where they are, especially when you're trying to broaden their minds. If he did something negative, he showed his crowd, by example, how to accept the person but not their full experience... which I do agree is harmful still. Not violence or harrassment... but it's definitely hurtful.




>Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any
>different than white people using their token Black friends as
>ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans”
>harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black”
>crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.



I wish she would've said more about how she feels he's skirting accoutability. Accountability for her death? Does she feel he's partially responsible? I've said in another post in here that I think it's possible he could've contributed but no one knows for sure.



>Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is
>disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a
>real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter),
>but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise.
>It’s all nonsensical.




That's a really good point. What's ironic though, is she contradicts herself in the same way. Her whole article is a critique of a part of her own community, saying they're violent toward another part of her community. Then she says

>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?

YES! Because aren't you telling us that a communtiy that has been intimately aware of violence and harassment since the inception of this country is the culprit when we live in a society where Black folks continue to face systemic discrimination? Yet she asks her question like trans' experience makes it impossible for them to perpetrate the similar behavior. She didn't think that one through.


~
~
~
~
~
Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 03:05 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
146. "it was a 30 year-old woman's opinion of a 50 year old man..."
In response to Reply # 144


          

was she even born when Def Comedy Jam was out? There's going to be a disconnect.

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 11:07 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
158. "The premises she uses here are utter shit though"
In response to Reply # 144
Sat Oct-09-21 11:08 AM by kayru99

          

>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.

The LBGTQ+ community in America is OVERWHELMINGLY white, in every community represented by each of those letters. That's not to say that being LBGTQ+ is some white people shit, but critiquing the racism in an overwhelmingly white community should be a given.

>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.

This is HUUUUGE fucking leap, that again does the white supremacist fuckshit of equating Black male thought with violence, and fuck anyone who does this.
Also, why is the focus solely on "cishet" BM?
BW arent critical of the gay community?
BW arent homophobic?
FOH

this is just scarybadblackman fearmongering in intersectional rainbow speak...which is to say white woman talk.

The rest of this thread is typical projection, stupidity and arm-chair psychology that you find in this type of bullshit.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Boogie Stimuli
Member since Sep 24th 2010
13418 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 12:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
165. "Thank you"
In response to Reply # 158
Sat Oct-09-21 01:02 PM by Boogie Stimuli

          

I only touched on the way she was using "cishet Black men" and what she's implying with that.

>this is just scarybadblackman fearmongering in intersectional
>rainbow speak...which is to say white woman talk.



That definitely needed to be said. I thought about it much later after posting, but it's actually hypocritical of her to say that Black men want the power that white men have WHILE she's using the same tactic of gaining white male approval that suffragists popularized and every non-Black PoC group employs... attacking the fictional Black boogeyman. It's like the initiation to join the Friends of White Supremacy Club.



>The rest of this thread is typical projection, stupidity and
>arm-chair psychology that you find in this type of bullshit.


Yeah, it's heavy on that.

~
~
~
~
~
Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 08:11 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
195. "No Problem"
In response to Reply # 165


          

THIS argument in particular

"Black men want the power that white men have"

is so arbitrarily and blanketly applied to ANY criticism that any Black man has of modern pop liberalism that nobody should remotely take that shit seriously.


Think about what that would mean in this context.

Chappelle is criticizing the racism of the majority white, male, & wealthy trans movement in America...because he wants to be a white male?

FOH.

It's the only intellectual-sounding arrow in these kinds of folks quiver, and it's really really dumb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Brotha Sun
Member since Dec 31st 2009
6448 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 11:49 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
253. "cosign n/m"
In response to Reply # 158


          

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
170. "I kinda feel that if you were white, you'd call the police on us"
In response to Reply # 137
Sat Oct-09-21 02:09 PM by EAS

  

          

Especially with those white lgbtqia talking points you are spewing. A Black person dares to disagree and have an opinion and it is immediately 'off with their heads!'. That's the real fear. A Black person standing their ground; be it right or wrong. The audacity! Call the police because they refuse to believe what I tell them or go where I tell them to go....and that makes me uncomfortable! And their refusal is responsible for so many deaths; not the system itself that someone else created. Black men are the monsters and created the power structure that oppresses the lgbtqia community. So quick, call the police because they need to be dealt with.

FOH!

At least there is a conversation being had about transgendered and male/female identity. Meanwhile, Black people are fighting (...and losing the fight) just to be seen as human beings! This includes Black men, Black women, and Black lgbtqia. Remember you are Black first before anything else. I know there are those who wish it was the other way around, and will believe it.....until they get their wake-up call.
A win for the lgbtqia is a win for the white lgbtquia. A win for feminists is a win for the white feminists. They are the ones who want the power structure of white men. They use Black faces as mascots to equate to the Black struggle thus garnering sympathy and support until what they truly want comes into fruition (via enforced laws and everything else). Meanwhile, the problems that afflict Black women and lgbtqia will continue because it is really all about white entitlement, privilege, and supremacy be it men, women, or lgbtqia.

That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse than anybody.

He may not be right on all fronts, but he is entitled to his opinion (...and he seems open to discussion) without being labeled a monster, or phobic, and have this type of backlash.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
ThaTruth
Charter member
94275 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 03:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
174. "FACTS..."
In response to Reply # 170


          

>Especially with those white lgbtqia talking points you are
>spewing. A Black person dares to disagree and have an opinion
>and it is immediately 'off with their heads!'. That's the real
>fear. A Black person standing their ground; be it right or
>wrong. The audacity! Call the police because they refuse to
>believe what I tell them or go where I tell them to go....and
>that makes me uncomfortable! And their refusal is responsible
>for so many deaths; not the system itself that someone else
>created. Black men are the monsters and created the power
>structure that oppresses the lgbtqia community. So quick, call
>the police because they need to be dealt with.
>
>FOH!
>
>At least there is a conversation being had about transgendered
>and male/female identity. Meanwhile, Black people are fighting
>(...and losing the fight) just to be seen as human beings!
>This includes Black men, Black women, and Black lgbtqia.
>Remember you are Black first before anything else. I know
>there are those who wish it was the other way around, and will
>believe it.....until they get their wake-up call.
>A win for the lgbtqia is a win for the white lgbtquia. A win
>for feminists is a win for the white feminists. They are the
>ones who want the power structure of white men. They use Black
>faces as mascots to equate to the Black struggle thus
>garnering sympathy and support until what they truly want
>comes into fruition (via enforced laws and everything else).
>Meanwhile, the problems that afflict Black women and lgbtqia
>will continue because it is really all about white
>entitlement, privilege, and supremacy be it men, women, or
>lgbtqia.
>
>That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You
>can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you
>dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse
>than anybody.
>
>He may not be right on all fronts, but he is entitled to his
>opinion (...and he seems open to discussion) without being
>labeled a monster, or phobic, and have this type of backlash.
>

________________________________________
"Stay out the dark, cause if I catch you when the sun is down..."
https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
70962 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 04:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
175. "Actual facts!!!"
In response to Reply # 170


          

****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
15879 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 07:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
182. "absolutely the po-lice"
In response to Reply # 170


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
BrooklynWHAT
Member since Jun 15th 2007
81878 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 12:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
185. "i cant believe there are black people that DONT get this"
In response to Reply # 170


  

          


<--- Big Baller World Order

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
bentagain
Member since Mar 19th 2008
15821 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 12:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
186. "^^^ took long enough."
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

---------------------------------------------------------------

If you can't understand it without an explanation

you can't understand it with an explanation

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Airbreed
Charter member
29370 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 08:46 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
198. "Well said. "
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Adwhizz
Member since Nov 12th 2003
40307 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 10:47 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
209. "Rap artists DID get protested for questionable content"
In response to Reply # 170
Mon Oct-11-21 11:00 AM by Adwhizz

  

          

>That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You
>can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you
>dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse
>than anybody.

Back in the early to Mid 90s you had Church groups and civic groups protesting and running over Rap CDs with a steam roller, and then they seemingly got tired and stopped.

If Major record labels, radio stations, concert venues, etc actually decided they weren't going to do business with or release material from Black artists who say "Nigga" or had violent content in their lyrics you would probably see a huge backlash from Black people

You're definitely not going to see a White artist on a major/mainstream recording label with lyrics explicitly talking about killing black or any other specific group of people.


Edit: Looking at my CD/DVD collection I'd be a hypocrite if I started demanding entertainment companies ban that type of content, although in regard to this recent trend of Rappers making songs about people who were ACTUALLY violently murdered I do think that should be stopped/record labels selling that material need to be taken to task

R.I.P. Loud But Wrong Guy
Dec 29th 2009 - Dec 17th 2017

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
RagOnMe
Charter member
892 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 07:07 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
238. "There it is"
In response to Reply # 170


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
42712 posts
Wed Oct-13-21 02:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
301. "Boy this was very well said."
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

Good one.

********************************
http://www.last.fm/user/Nspades

Get Out The Room!
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
@fakewilliamkatt
www.wickedradionetwork.com

"The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion" - Paulo Coehlo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Tw3nty
Member since Jan 02nd 2007
8436 posts
Thu Oct-14-21 02:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
321. "This reads like someone who didn't watch the special"
In response to Reply # 137


  

          

Also, there are hints here that imply that the conversation will never be reciprocal. It seems the only way forward is to bend the knee and not walk together.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

NappySoul
Member since Sep 12th 2019
5 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 01:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
140. "I enjoyed it"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Not my favorite work of his but definitely not his worst. I agree that I would have preferred he speaks about something else than the LGBTQ community but the idea that he was victimizing them is a reach and straight out fake outrage bordering on clout chasing. No community is so sacred that they can't be made fun of. I refuse to be so sophisticated that I can't appreciate that Dave is the best at what he does and if this is not evolved enough for your high sensibilities, go watch another comedian that matches your expectations. We don't have to agree with everything he says to enjoy it. Comedy is not a belief system.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 02:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
172. "He did shout out Angieee though, can I get an OKAYPLAYER "
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

And to be clear, is the showrunner for “dear white people” a white transgender woman?

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
EAS
Charter member
1667 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 05:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
177. "aw man,"
In response to Reply # 172


  

          

Big up Angieee!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Ray_Snill
Charter member
16616 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 05:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
178. "yes ... and that was the most offensive thing to me"
In response to Reply # 172


  

          

>And to be clear, is the showrunner for “dear white
>people” a white transgender woman?
>
>

so I guess that makes me a piece of crap person


<=========================================
https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/PYzh4v9cSf4FDnq3yMQyqNqh79o=/800x0/filters:no_upscale%28%29/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/4079674/jlio.0.gif

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
AbdulJaleel
Charter member
23857 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 08:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
180. "Why you mad?"
In response to Reply # 178


  

          

You white too?

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
spades
Member since Mar 22nd 2006
42712 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
203. "I caught that."
In response to Reply # 172


  

          

********************************
http://www.last.fm/user/Nspades

Get Out The Room!
http://getouttheroom.podomatic.com
@fakewilliamkatt
www.wickedradionetwork.com

"The world is changed by your example, not by your opinion" - Paulo Coehlo

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

My_SP1200_Broken_Again
Charter member
56727 posts
Sat Oct-09-21 04:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
176. "It was ok.. but wow comedians are a whiney bunch these days.."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          



< Live Mixshow - Thurs 10PM/EST >
< Live Mixshow - Fri/Sat Midnight/EST >
https://twitch.tv/djchiefone


----Mixtape Archives-----
https://soundcloud.com/djchiefone

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 01:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
188. "Not whiny - trolly"
In response to Reply # 176


          

Netflix paid him basically for 4 standup shows AND one show worth of talking about be how he thinks LGBTQA are weird.

He's having a BLAST being a TROLL. It's not thoughtful or insightful - it's trolling.

He got PAID, and now has people saying he's a Carlin level genius because of trolling.

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
My_SP1200_Broken_Again
Charter member
56727 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 03:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
189. "Some of this outrage is as cringy as Dave's complaining though.."
In response to Reply # 188


  

          

..it's like complaining about a restaurant that you don't like ..just don't eat there


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
handle
Charter member
17444 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 08:34 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
196. "So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??"
In response to Reply # 189


          

>..it's like complaining about a restaurant that you don't
>like ..just don't eat there

If the restaurant was, in your view, harming people - you think people should just STFU and KIM??

Dave's restaurant has a 200 million subscribers.

How about this: Accept that other folks have opinions.

------------


Gone: My Discogs collection for The Roots:
http://www.discogs.com/user/tomhayes-roots/collection

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
My_SP1200_Broken_Again
Charter member
56727 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:19 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
200. "RE: So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??"
In response to Reply # 196


  

          


>If the restaurant was, in your view, harming people - you
>think people should just STFU and KIM??



If I was the small percentage of people allergic to their food, I wouldn't eat there.. Or I could go there, protest and make a big fuss..then get upset when the restaurant doesn't close down 😆








  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Brew
Member since Nov 23rd 2002
21427 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 10:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
208. "Oh my fucking god."
In response to Reply # 200


          

>If I was the small percentage of people allergic to their
>food, I wouldn't eat there.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
46351 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 09:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
183. "Here is the thing, the Trans Woman who defended him in his last special"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

committed suicide because she was harassed online by....pro-LGBTQ people.

There is a deep irony going on their that directly resulted from his prior work that he felt he had to address. That a woman died as a direct result of his work appears to have deeply affected him so much so that he spent a great portion of his show talking about her. So I understand why he returned to the subject...again.

I think Dave made a couple of other points worth making like how he ,kinda for the first time, addressed intersectionality when he talks about LGBTQ by talking about how a black transwoman would not have called the cops on him. I wish he talked about that more because a lot of the time when he is talking about LGBTQ people he is actually talking about white LGBTQ. There is a big difference between Caitlyn Jenner and the black homeless LGBTQ kids in Baltimore.

But Back to his friend, I don't think his point was "I have a gay friend so what I say is okay". I think its more I don't give a fuck about what people who don't know me say about me online, I care what the actual trans people in my life think and we are good. I think that's kinda of a reckless way to look at it but he has clearly stated he is committed to speaking reckless.

He also seems to enjoy trolling a certain segment of the left because he knows what he says drives them crazy but at the same time huge swath's of America agree with him. I think his intended target are powerful LGBTQ folks (like the jokes he makes about DaBaby getting canceled, Hollywood Gay Executives and the ones who called the cops on him) but he isn't giving much thought to the not powerful LGBTQ who may be colleratal damage of what he says. His friend is actually collateral damage of his because while he can take the blows and shrug them off, she couldn't. He isn't seeing his own privilege in the situation.

finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials. And I think that's important because I think those experiences have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the subject.



**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 12:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
184. "to be fair we don't really know that"
In response to Reply # 183


  

          

>committed suicide because she was harassed online
>by....pro-LGBTQ people.

We don't really know why she killed herself, and Dave said as much. He said he didn't know if the harassment was part of the reason but he was sure it didn't help. You don't know where people are in their lives. I kept thinking of the porn actress a couple years back who got pushed to suicide by getting dragged online for saying she didn't want to have sex with men who did gay scenes.

I'm not sure why it's getting blown off in this post as him having some nerve trying to blame twitter scolds, or in one thread, saying he's absurd to imply that the lbgtq community who is so prone to social media harassment would ever do something like that... which is of course, absurd.

But with that said, it's a reminder the rate in which trans people *are* prone to suicide, and that could extend to his material "not helping" either. I actually thought he'd stand down after Daphne's death, but he was also being blamed for it so I see why he'd want to highlight their relationship, and how it affected him. I don't know if i agree with his decision but i understand it, and he does come off just dickish at times.
I agree though that it goes further than her just being a token he's using so he can tell jokes.


>He also seems to enjoy trolling a certain segment of the left
>because he knows what he says drives them crazy but at the
>same time huge swath's of America agree with him. I think his
>intended target are powerful LGBTQ folks (like the jokes he
>makes about DaBaby getting canceled, Hollywood Gay Executives
>and the ones who called the cops on him) but he isn't giving
>much thought to the not powerful LGBTQ who may be colleratal
>damage of what he says. His friend is actually collateral
>damage of his because while he can take the blows and shrug
>them off, she couldn't. He isn't seeing his own privilege in
>the situation.

^^target emoji

>finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because
>he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials.
>And I think that's important because I think those experiences
>have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the
>subject.

damn. maybe.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Nodima
Member since Jul 30th 2008
14519 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 12:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
187. "he did directly say that every joke he's told on Netflix is about white ..."
In response to Reply # 183


  

          

in this special.

It took him awhile to get there but I thought he wrapped everything up really elegantly, and I sort of like the idea that all his Netflix specials are a direct dialogue with his audience, if not in execution at least in theory. I'd say it was a solid 3/5 as a stand-up special but well worth a watch whether you're for or against Dave. Here's my unimportant letterbox'd thoughts:


-------


After Sticks & Stones, I knew that Chappelle had reached the George Carlin point for me where no matter how unfunny and dogmatic his specials might become in later years, I'd just have to hear what Dave had to say. It didn't hurt that I felt it was an all-time comedy set, one I've shared with a number of people with wildly different views of the world and all have been stunned by just how thorough and thoughtful it is.

The Closer, by virtue of rehashed material and recycled subject matter, doesn't allow itself to be such a raw example of genius as that special did. It teeters closer to his earlier Netflix specials, sets that left me wondering how much of the material was truly funny and how much of it I was laughing at just because it was Dave delivering the material.

But I also think he's walking an incredibly delicate tightrope here, and it seems quite clear his endgame is not at all malevolent. It's impossible not to have "you're smarter than this, Dave" creep through your head multiple times during a modern Chappelle special, particularly during the JK Rowling bit, but the challenge he's tasked himself with is also astoundingly large.

It's a dangerous place to put one's self as a comedian of means and superheroic stature, as a man of the people who's just as free as any other person to not understand what others are going through or thinking about in their daily lives. It's a relatable stance from an unrelatable person, obviously it's not comforting to experience. But I admire Dave for trying, and came away from his story about his friend Daphne and the photo series that rolled alongside the credits in awe of the raw honesty on display.

There's not many laughs here, but I don't buy that there's not an abundance of heart, either.


~~~~~~~~~
"This is the streets, and I am the trap." � Jay Bilas
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Tiger Woods
Member since Feb 15th 2004
17312 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 07:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
193. "maaaaaaaaan what hahahah"
In response to Reply # 183


  

          


>
>finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because
>he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials.
>And I think that's important because I think those experiences
>have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the
>subject.
>
>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

shockvalue
Charter member
241 posts
Sun Oct-10-21 10:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
191. "I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit "
In response to Reply # 0
Sun Oct-10-21 10:16 PM by shockvalue

          

The part where he says that when his dead trans friend Daphne’s daughter grows up, he will tell the girl that he “knew her father”.

Because, obviously trans women are women—anyone can see that. But it also wouldn’t be correct to call this girl’s transwoman parent their “mother” right? The girl has a mother already, I assume…and I mean, bottom line Daphne contributed the sperm to the situation. That can’t be a motherly action.

But if we call Daphne her father, aren’t we misgendering her?

Stuff is confusing.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
Doomdata21
Member since Jul 21st 2002
1090 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 08:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
194. "RE: I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit "
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

I think it's a joke, hence him waiting until she's older.

**Sig**
-Blackthought is the dopest emcee alive
-Uncle Sam and Santa Clause are good buddies.
-Be selfless and the world will be a better place.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20847 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:52 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
205. "I think this sums up the whole special for me..."
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

To Doomdata's point...it's a joke.

Now...how does that joke land?

1) Hetero-cis - It's 'uncomfortably' funny...it's DAVE!
2) Family of Daphne - Hilarious because they knew her and would know that she'd find that joke funny.
3) Dave himself - 1000% his feelings. He even used the correct pronoun but didn't skate over the fact that a man, used sperm, to create his daughter, then later transitioned to a woman.
4) LBGTQIA community - offensive due to misgendering post-transition.

^^^That last bit is why he's not going to have further specials and discuss this topic publicly...until he can be sure they are laughing 'with him'.

There's so much nuance in this special, wrapped around edgy and uncomfortable and, to some, offensive jokes.

My takeaways on Dave's stances:
-If you are born a way, it's factual, scientific data labels your gender based on the reproductive organs you were born with, however...
-You have a right to choose to transition if you felt you weren't born into the right gender, however...
-That doesn't make your gender scientific because a born male can't biologically produce eggs for fertilization and a born female can't biologically grow sperm however...
-I can respect you where you are and even grow a friendship with you...even if we disagree on the above. Additionally...
-It should be ok for us to joke about it while we are all learning to live in this new and developing world and...
-Don't be surprised that people disagree with you (because they do and will)...including cis women...and lastly...
-Let's not do the USA struggle Olympics because, blackmen have had it worse than anyone historically in this country...and you are still contributing to it no matter your sexual orientation or gender identity.

And to all of that, I say that learning and evolving is a painful process. The biggest hurdles with most people who struggle to accept evolving definitions of gender are all built into their/our cultural development:

-Moral queue's (based heavily on religious indoctrination)
-Normative education (everything we've learned most of our lives tells us Boy/Girl, from science, entertainment, household upbringing, social interactions)
-Having to learn new norms without a full education of them (and then being shunned if they don't conform)

It's like going your whole life and being told a particular hue is blue and then after 30-50 yrs of knowing this, a whole different color pallet is introduced to you based on the blue hue where blue isn't just blue anymore; it's Royal, Navy, Sky, Carolina, Dark, Light, Aqua, Turquoise, Cobalt, Cerulean. And some blues are more green and some blues are more gray. And you're like, "How can a blue be green or gray?".

Then there's a slew of new rules and terms that might actually get you shouted down if you misuse or neglect to use them when living in this new world.

Cis-gendered
Transphobic
Homophobic
They/Them as pronouns to refer to a singular person
Non-binary
Cisheteronormativity

And then, on top of that, it 'seems' that this community is above reproach and can't be criticized by 'others' when they don't 'get it/understand' immediately (and some never will, might take generations for this to be a normative thing).

And then, for a black man, we could never make words like Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by society or science. It's like one of those things that lives in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing. *Shrug*

All this to say that I feel more education is needed, less shaming should be done (both ways) and expect people to disagree (both ways). But relish in the developments that are happening/fact that people are even open to discussing/learning/respecting these evolutions in 2021. Says a lot for the LBGTQIA community and how we've all become aware of their particular brand of issues.

____________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
shockvalue
Charter member
241 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:59 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
207. "^I felt a lot of this, thanks for taking the time to write it."
In response to Reply # 205


          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Mynoriti
Charter member
36564 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
220. "good post nm"
In response to Reply # 205


  

          

>To Doomdata's point...it's a joke.
>
>Now...how does that joke land?
>
>1) Hetero-cis - It's 'uncomfortably' funny...it's DAVE!
>2) Family of Daphne - Hilarious because they knew her and
>would know that she'd find that joke funny.
>3) Dave himself - 1000% his feelings. He even used the
>correct pronoun but didn't skate over the fact that a man,
>used sperm, to create his daughter, then later transitioned to
>a woman.
>4) LBGTQIA community - offensive due to misgendering
>post-transition.
>
>^^^That last bit is why he's not going to have further
>specials and discuss this topic publicly...until he can be
>sure they are laughing 'with him'.
>
>There's so much nuance in this special, wrapped around edgy
>and uncomfortable and, to some, offensive jokes.
>
>My takeaways on Dave's stances:
>-If you are born a way, it's factual, scientific data labels
>your gender based on the reproductive organs you were born
>with, however...
>-You have a right to choose to transition if you felt you
>weren't born into the right gender, however...
>-That doesn't make your gender scientific because a born male
>can't biologically produce eggs for fertilization and a born
>female can't biologically grow sperm however...
>-I can respect you where you are and even grow a friendship
>with you...even if we disagree on the above. Additionally...
>-It should be ok for us to joke about it while we are all
>learning to live in this new and developing world and...
>-Don't be surprised that people disagree with you (because
>they do and will)...including cis women...and lastly...
>-Let's not do the USA struggle Olympics because, blackmen have
>had it worse than anyone historically in this country...and
>you are still contributing to it no matter your sexual
>orientation or gender identity.
>
>And to all of that, I say that learning and evolving is a
>painful process. The biggest hurdles with most people who
>struggle to accept evolving definitions of gender are all
>built into their/our cultural development:
>
>-Moral queue's (based heavily on religious indoctrination)
>-Normative education (everything we've learned most of our
>lives tells us Boy/Girl, from science, entertainment,
>household upbringing, social interactions)
>-Having to learn new norms without a full education of them
>(and then being shunned if they don't conform)
>
>It's like going your whole life and being told a particular
>hue is blue and then after 30-50 yrs of knowing this, a whole
>different color pallet is introduced to you based on the blue
>hue where blue isn't just blue anymore; it's Royal, Navy, Sky,
>Carolina, Dark, Light, Aqua, Turquoise, Cobalt, Cerulean. And
>some blues are more green and some blues are more gray. And
>you're like, "How can a blue be green or gray?".
>
>Then there's a slew of new rules and terms that might actually
>get you shouted down if you misuse or neglect to use them when
>living in this new world.
>
>Cis-gendered
>Transphobic
>Homophobic
>They/Them as pronouns to refer to a singular person
>Non-binary
>Cisheteronormativity
>
>And then, on top of that, it 'seems' that this community is
>above reproach and can't be criticized by 'others' when they
>don't 'get it/understand' immediately (and some never will,
>might take generations for this to be a normative thing).
>
>And then, for a black man, we could never make words like
>Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by
>society or science. It's like one of those things that lives
>in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing.
> *Shrug*
>
>All this to say that I feel more education is needed, less
>shaming should be done (both ways) and expect people to
>disagree (both ways). But relish in the developments that are
>happening/fact that people are even open to
>discussing/learning/respecting these evolutions in 2021. Says
>a lot for the LBGTQIA community and how we've all become aware
>of their particular brand of issues.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Beamer6178
Member since Jan 09th 2006
6042 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 03:49 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
229. "really good post, but you said a WORD right here...."
In response to Reply # 205


  

          


>
>And then, for a black man, we could never make words like
>Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by
>society or science. It's like one of those things that lives
>in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing.
> *Shrug*

I think THAT's why he said he was team TERF, because Black men, hell Black people NEVER get that type of categorization. Antiracism has em up in arms, and the mere notion of teaching more history spawned this "CRT" (real meaning is Crackers Resisting Truth) outrage.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15466 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:55 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
206. "It was a joke. The audience laughed"
In response to Reply # 191


          

No need for a dissertation on a punchline

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 09:34 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
204. "Dave was right, people don't LISTEN"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

y'all done turned to OLD leftists where ANYTHING GOES and if people don't agree with you, cancel them.

These ppl couldn't even accept themselves but want others to be forced to accept them.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

    
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 11:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
210. "there's a debate on social media about whether sugar goes in grits"
In response to Reply # 204
Mon Oct-11-21 11:13 AM by atruhead

  

          

some people say yes. that's something you can say "I dont agree on"

the issue here is LGBT folks minding their business and wanting to live without being antagonized (by someone with a huge platform), what exactly are you or Dave Chappelle not agreeing on?

Dave Chappelle and Donald Trump are singular entities, the problem is their voices have had enough of a reach to put harmful ideas in people's minds

more than that, I dont understand how as a black woman fighting multiple battles (race/gender) in this country you cant empathize with what the LGBT crowd (some of which are black women) has to take on

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
Tiger Woods
Member since Feb 15th 2004
17312 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 11:25 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
211. "Black women, as a whole, have it about 100,000x worse than Trans folks"
In response to Reply # 210
Mon Oct-11-21 11:28 AM by Tiger Woods

  

          

be careful about assuming and comparing communities

I'ma butt out here as I'm neither a Black woman nor a trans person, but it seems TOTALLY reasonable to me that a Black woman doesn't just automatically empathize with a Trans person.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 11:53 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
212. "There are black transwomen and black transmen"
In response to Reply # 211


  

          

And they have some of the worst life and health outcomes in this country.

For some reason, so many of you can't seem to grasp that.

I've started to become intrigued by the fact that the only actual transwomen Dave ever references are Caitlyn Jenner (who obviously comes from an insane degree of privilege) and Daphne. The trans people that I know, the ones I see around the way, the ones I think about are black, mexican, guatemalan, asian. Ones that don't have the privileges of Daphne, much less Caitlyn. The "jokes" Dave tells, the perspective he espouses, imo, affect those people more than they effect Caitlyn and Daphne.

Dave, for one instance, in this special made a statement about how a white gay man called the police on him and how a black gay man would never do that. That brief moment was the only time in the special (and I think the first time in the nextflix run) that Dave acknowledged that there are Black members of the LGBTQIA+ community. I thought for a second he would introduce that nuance to his analysis. But he didn't. He left it there. There are definitely ways to talk about the racism of some portions of the LGBTQIA+ community, but Dave refuses to use the needed nuanced approach to doing so and just falls back on "SHE'S A MAN! Look! Balls!"

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
214. "I didn't choose to be a black woman"
In response to Reply # 212


  

          

I wouldn't choose anything else, but I certainly cannot choose to not be black or a woman.


--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
216. "Trans people didn't choose that either."
In response to Reply # 214


  

          

They chose to stop lying to the world about who they are.

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 01:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
222. "*blink blink* "
In response to Reply # 216
Mon Oct-11-21 01:14 PM by napturalmystic

  

          

You have to do mental back flips to actually write some of this. Perhaps you'll convince someone reading.

I've decided being cosmopolitan, anything goes, casual group sex, WAP life and pregnant men, drug and murder music just isn't something I'll cosign.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                            
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 01:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
224. "So you've never listened to a transperson talk about their experience"
In response to Reply # 222


  

          

got it.
The idea that a person would choose to be trans, like the idea that someone would choose to be gay is laughable to me.

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                
Brew
Member since Nov 23rd 2002
21427 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 03:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
228. "".. to me" wasn't necessary."
In response to Reply # 224


          

>The idea that a person would choose to be trans, like the idea
>that someone would choose to be gay is laughable to me.

It's just generally laughable.

----------------------------------------

"Fuck aliens." © WarriorPoet415

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 09:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
242. "I've listened. I have a coworker who transitioned over some years"
In response to Reply # 224


  

          

right in front of everyone's eyes.

I call my coworker by her name. I've even corrected a coworker who would slight her by calling her the name her parents gave her, the name she gave us before she transitioned. You see how I'm using her proper pronouns here?

I still don't agree with her lifestyle. I can listen all day. Y'all think if you talk folk to death they'll eventually agree with how you live? That's crazy. Live your life. Stop looking for others to accept you. They done passed laws to protect this community, meanwhile anti-lynching bill DOA y'all don't listen.

Should someone refuse services? murder? hold back ones career? generally discriminate? Nah. that's WRONG. Take it to court!

I don't go around asking racist to love me and show them how wonderful I am and understand my hurt.

What I do ask is they not discriminate, murder and put in place laws that oppress me.

Yall didnt listen to Dave.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                    
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 10:04 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
244. "you're contradicting yourself"
In response to Reply # 242


  

          

you use proper pronouns and call her the correct name, then you say:


>I still don't agree with her lifestyle. I can listen all day.
>Y'all think if you talk folk to death they'll eventually agree
>with how you live? That's crazy. Live your life. Stop looking
>for others to accept you.

this is bigoted language

>I don't go around asking racist to love me and show them how
>wonderful I am and understand my hurt.

whether you realize it or not, you compared yourself to how racists view us

>What I do ask is they not discriminate, murder and put in
>place laws that oppress me.

fine and dandy. but how would you feel if one of the highest paid, most popular comedians on Netflix was making jokes at the expense of (cis) black women?


>Yall didnt listen to Dave.

this honestly sounds like you were looking for him to justify whatever your thoughts are

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 12:31 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
254. "No I'm not contradicting myself. "
In response to Reply # 244


  

          

Plenty of people will use proper pronouns and not agree.

I understand her experience and have compassion enough to use her pronouns and call her by the name she has chosen. That doesn't mean I agree. It just means I respect her enough to use her pronouns.

I hope you don't think everyone who uses ppls pronouns agrees with the lifestyle. We don't.

Dave's whole skit was about what ppl can get away with doing to Black people but you better not hurt a certain groups feelings. You don't listen. I can live respectfully with someone and disagree. You however seem hell bent on making people agree with you.


--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 01:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
258. "got it, you respect them up to a certain point"
In response to Reply # 254


  

          

and you draw the line at respecting their "lifestyle"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                            
Cold Truth
Member since Jan 28th 2004
42354 posts
Tue Oct-12-21 05:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
261. "How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?"
In response to Reply # 254


  

          

What is there to disagree with, exactly?


  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                                                
auragin_boi
Member since Aug 01st 2003
20847 posts
Wed Oct-13-21 10:47 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
283. "I don't think this is the right question and it opens up harmful argumen..."
In response to Reply # 261


  

          

>RE: How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?
>What is there to disagree with, exactly?

People disagree with who and what people are all the time. I disagree with bigots but that's who and what they are. I disagree with people who think LeBron is the GOAT but that's who and what they are. I disagree with a lot of conservative politicians but that's who and what they are. I disagree with pedophiles but that's who and what they are.

The better question is, "What harm does it inflict on someone personally to 'live and let live'?

But even the answer to that is a slippery slope when speaking about living in a society/community as people will disagree with what's best for a society/community.

I think the toughest hurdle for Trans people to leap is the 'born this way' sentiment. For LGBQ's it's easier for a binary to understand, "I'm wired this way, I love what I love and I can't explain it the same way a hetero person can't...it's just who they are attracted to". I also think there's been some significant scientific research into homo/bi/fluid sexuality as well which gives it some scientific validation.

A Trans person remixes that entire thought. It's, "I was born this way but it doesn't feel right. I should be different." Most people/binarys don't have that experience. Black people don't eventually feel "I should have been born white". LGBQ's don't feel "I should have been born straight", etc. It's not seen as a fundamental building block to their biology. I think the Trans movement falls in line with the LGBQ movement because it's non-binary/different but their journey is much, MUCH different from others. Which, IMO, makes it harder to understand.

I think a binary views it as more of an external change based on preference, not biological wiring. And that's based on their own experience. Someone doesn't like their nose or think it should have been different...nose job. Someone feels they should not go bald and should have hair...hair treatment. Someone feels their breast/butt/penis isn't the size they'd like it...enhancement/reduction. I should have lighter skin...bleaching. I should have darker skin...tanning.

I should have been a woman/man...hormones, surgery to be so.

^^^This gets reduced to...a lifestyle choice vs internal biological wiring like an LGBQ person. Some trans people change gender and are attracted to the opposite gender, some to the same gender. So it's not about biological sexual orientation. And I think that's the part most binarys can't understand and may disagree with.

The same way some people don't agree with altering ones body/appearance via surgery.

Identity is tricky to discuss, understand and normalize because it can open the door to 'any' feeling of identity. For example, Rachel Dolezal. Who's to say her feelings of black identity weren't valid? If she took steps to actually look/be who she felt she was...are her feelings of identity not valid?

Should society just let that ride? Is the only reason we shout it down due to America's historical mockery of Black people via Black face? I'm sure most White people didn't care but Black people were offended by her feelings of identity and the efforts she took to realize them. Would that not fall in line with biologically born women feeling something similar towards trans women and bio men towards trans men? Should their feelings about it not be considered? Or should we all live and let live? Should people be able to transition to whatever they identify as, love who they are wired to love, without judgement, opinion, boundary? What does that society look like? Where do we set standards or draw lines to say 'that's too far'?

Identity vs Biology will always make this a hard convo but it's one worth having. We shouldn't all dismiss each other's feelings for the sake of 'live and let live' because how, the singular "we", all live, definitely has an impact on how, the pluarl "we" all live.

____________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
218. "trans people are black women, trans people are LGBT"
In response to Reply # 211


  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6518 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
213. "You don't have to understand"
In response to Reply # 210


  

          

Black women locked arms with white women during the feminist movement. It got us no where.

YALL DONT LISTEN

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85064 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
219. "it's not really my place to speak on feminism"
In response to Reply # 213


  

          

from my understanding, there's a newer system called womanism that prioritizes the concerns of black women through a "feminist" lens

feminism failing black women is no reason to be dismissive of the LGBT folks though

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                
Hitokiri
Charter member
21347 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 12:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
221. "Honestly, people here and broadly have little understanding of feminism"
In response to Reply # 219


  

          

They talk about feminism as if First Wave Feminism is all there is. Like bell hooks and Audre Lorde don't exist, like Rebecca Walker and Kimberle Williams Crenshaw don't exist. Some of the most important feminist scholars are Black women. Apparently those women got us no where.

--
"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

"There is only one god and his name is death. And there is only one thing we say to death: not today."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Reply | Reply with quote | Top

                    
rdhull
Charter member
32469 posts
Mon Oct-11-21 01:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
223. "I think thats bullshit"
In response to Reply # 221


  

          

>They talk about feminism as if First Wave Feminism is all
>there is. Like bell hooks and Audre Lorde don't exist, like
>Rebecca Walker and Kimberle Williams Crenshaw don't exist.
>Some of the most important feminist scholars are Black women.
>Apparently those women got us no where.

Nobody mentioned them