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"Dave Chappelle: The Closer"
Tue Oct-05-21 11:05 AM by Boogie Stimuli

          

What do the people of OKP think of this final chapter of the Chappelle Netflix specials?

I thought the final story about his friend was rather touching.

Not the funniest special imo, but it had its moments here and there.

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Days like this I miss Sha Mecca

  

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Solid... had its moments...
Oct 05th 2021
1
She must be "one of the good ones"
Oct 05th 2021
2
      Yikes.
Oct 11th 2021
201
BEYOND PXSSY
Oct 05th 2021
3
lmao
Oct 05th 2021
4
this shit was amazing
Oct 05th 2021
5
man i hope he was playing about this be his last special for a min
Oct 05th 2021
6
RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer
Oct 05th 2021
7
the LGBTQ community didnt take shit from Kevin Hart
Oct 05th 2021
8
his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole man
Oct 06th 2021
9
I definitely thought at some point while watching...
Oct 06th 2021
11
meanwhile, IF true, the response would be, "Ok and?"
Oct 06th 2021
12
Dave wrote that "a mouth's a mouth" bit from the Dude's Night Out sketch
Oct 07th 2021
68
      Oop and it came back up in this special.
Oct 08th 2021
117
RE: his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole m...
Oct 06th 2021
13
I get that for sure, it's just feeling tired at this point
Oct 06th 2021
24
      Right, I fell asleep on this, woke up 30 minutes later,
Oct 06th 2021
30
I haven’t watched yet but I think Dave
Oct 06th 2021
18
I thought he was done with it in the last two specials.
Oct 06th 2021
26
um no. that's not at all how equality works
Oct 06th 2021
27
wow lol
Oct 06th 2021
33
damn. lmao
Oct 07th 2021
49
saying this as a presumably black man is insane
Oct 06th 2021
35
He tells jokes.. people act like he is giving Taliban orders
Oct 08th 2021
115
      tell me how you felt about Louis CK saying nigger in a joke again
Oct 08th 2021
134
           I don’t believe I have ever witnessed CK do a nigger joke
Oct 08th 2021
136
                my bad, I was thinking of David Cross
Oct 09th 2021
151
                     The jokes just need to be funny
Oct 09th 2021
169
Nearly half of trans women will be the victim of a hate crime.
Oct 07th 2021
44
      Ugh, the editing period expired right as I was changing my post.
Oct 07th 2021
45
      Co-sign on both your posts.
Oct 07th 2021
47
      Yes. Both posts yes.
Oct 07th 2021
56
      Yes on both posts. It's very disappointing shit from him.
Oct 07th 2021
59
      And yet..
Oct 09th 2021
141
           yuuuuuuuup.
Oct 09th 2021
155
           ^
Oct 09th 2021
171
           The fact that no one touched this response is telling
Oct 09th 2021
157
                it doesn't fit the narrative
Oct 09th 2021
160
                Or maybe calling people social justice warriors is dumb.
Oct 12th 2021
239
                I missed it but yes, this is interesting
Oct 20th 2021
370
                I didn't see it. But I'll say this: I've never disowned someone for
Oct 20th 2021
372
                     Aren't you omitting something...
Nov 02nd 2021
502
                          I wouldn't call that an ommission. That's known.
Nov 02nd 2021
505
agreed
Oct 09th 2021
179
I agree, but I'm not interested in the 'liberal' objections to it
Oct 24th 2021
398
      liberalllllllls
Oct 28th 2021
449
           a YouTube video did not inform my comment
Oct 29th 2021
478
He doesn't punch up, He doesn't punch down, He punches lines.
Oct 06th 2021
10
the killing was supposedly self defense and before he was famous
Oct 06th 2021
36
      Don’t kill Da Baby
Oct 07th 2021
58
      The way Dave presented it made Dababy look WORSE in
Oct 07th 2021
66
      Not necessarily
Oct 10th 2021
181
           I mentioned them below, but whatever label these new
Oct 11th 2021
227
Has he changed a bunch?
Oct 06th 2021
14
Dave still making OKP’s mad
Oct 06th 2021
15
RE: Dave still making OKP’s mad
Oct 06th 2021
16
You clicked on my face (c)
Oct 06th 2021
17
right?
Oct 06th 2021
19
It is good
Oct 06th 2021
23
exactly lol
Oct 06th 2021
31
^
Oct 07th 2021
60
lol ....basically.
Oct 07th 2021
61
      basic, yeah thats a good word that describes those that agree
Oct 07th 2021
63
Thought it was super dope!
Oct 06th 2021
20
someone that knows him...
Oct 06th 2021
21
^^^ sees it ^^^
Oct 06th 2021
22
RE: someone that knows him...
Oct 06th 2021
25
      mutual friends
Oct 06th 2021
34
i just wasted 10 min reading and responding to this post.
Oct 06th 2021
28
it was ok.
Oct 06th 2021
29
surprised Im the first to point out the Angie shoutout
Oct 06th 2021
32
pretty unfunny
Oct 06th 2021
37
There's no defending Dave on this, imo.
Oct 06th 2021
38
first time I ever got tired of a chappelle special. had to turn it off
Oct 06th 2021
39
And she's damn near a billionaire. With another movie coming out.
Oct 07th 2021
46
lemme guess, he's still being silenced ?
Oct 06th 2021
40
LoL
Oct 07th 2021
50
Brave. Someone had to say it
Oct 06th 2021
41
look at the big man here
Oct 06th 2021
42
you are either non-black, or was in the military after ROTC in the burbs
Oct 07th 2021
51
He's not some millionaire Malcolm X. This isnt bravery.
Oct 07th 2021
55
i think this was less black, racial and masculine than 8:46
Oct 07th 2021
69
That part
Oct 09th 2021
139
most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships...
Oct 09th 2021
142
      it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedian
Oct 09th 2021
152
      RE: it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedi...
Oct 09th 2021
154
           Im directly quoting you
Oct 09th 2021
166
                you are, but does that answer my question?
Oct 09th 2021
168
      LOL. WHAT?!?!
Oct 09th 2021
163
      I thought you were Black.
Oct 11th 2021
192
i liked it. damn he's locked in tho
Oct 06th 2021
43
this is the loserest shit ever
Oct 07th 2021
48
      you really do love making shit up
Oct 07th 2021
64
           these are your words
Oct 07th 2021
70
                Where's the part where i said he was making some big sacrifice to the wo...
Oct 07th 2021
80
                     well, if he says he's reacting to criticism
Oct 07th 2021
102
but for real, Katt Williams said it best.......
Oct 07th 2021
52
Imagine living in a world where Katt Williams is the voice of reason....
Oct 11th 2021
202
okay.. I watched some of it and I get what people are saying
Oct 07th 2021
53
I have to assume Dave got tons of love
Oct 07th 2021
54
What does RW love feel like?
Oct 07th 2021
62
      I won't post the link
Oct 07th 2021
76
           you see Jason Whitlock tweets on your feed?
Oct 07th 2021
77
As for the trans jokes, idk how he expects to laugh WITH
Oct 07th 2021
57
he touched on that too…
Oct 07th 2021
78
      What's the lightbulb?
Oct 07th 2021
91
      That's badly misquoted. I think you're talking about the part...
Oct 08th 2021
110
           damn lol…
Oct 08th 2021
112
Some of the takes here saying they "got it"
Oct 07th 2021
65
Laughed a few times here and there
Oct 07th 2021
67
the closer…
Oct 07th 2021
71
RE: the closer…
Oct 07th 2021
72
He has kind of become a one trick pony
Oct 07th 2021
73
Wasn't funny, but where was the malice in Dave's performance?
Oct 07th 2021
74
They comin for you
Oct 07th 2021
75
lmao
Oct 07th 2021
90
      the world gives trans people enough hell, they're seeking acceptance
Oct 08th 2021
109
not to invalidate your take, but your'e counter arguing non-arguments
Oct 07th 2021
79
Soooo.....what's the problem?
Oct 07th 2021
81
      Your inability to read and repsond to the actual things people are actua...
Oct 07th 2021
83
           RE: Your inability to take your own advice would be a good place to star...
Oct 07th 2021
85
                See post 83. I did respond to what you actually said.
Oct 07th 2021
87
                     RE: See Netflix. Did you even watch the special?
Oct 07th 2021
97
This is on point.
Oct 07th 2021
82
I'm a huge fan and I honestly thought this was one of his weakest shows....
Oct 07th 2021
84
Dave was like Fuck It on some George Karlin shit
Oct 07th 2021
86
ironically george carlin would have been against what dave has been doin...
Oct 07th 2021
88
      Eddie is my comedy GOAT and he would be crucified today for the shit...
Oct 07th 2021
89
      Same. Thing is, Eddie has denounced that shit
Oct 07th 2021
92
           does that matter? Hart denounced his shit and they still tried to cancel...
Oct 07th 2021
103
                It does to me.
Oct 07th 2021
105
                     he is but the Oscar thing was huge...
Oct 08th 2021
111
      i mean if we're gonna cherrypick Carlin
Oct 07th 2021
95
      yup.. Carlin is the past person anyone should us against Dave
Oct 08th 2021
125
      You misundertand Carlin
Oct 09th 2021
164
           Nope
Oct 09th 2021
173
      I don’t see how the clip applies
Oct 08th 2021
107
Critics call to cancel Dave Chappelle, Netflix for ‘ridiculing trans p...
Oct 07th 2021
93
he saw it coming thus the "retirement" announcement, I think Netflix...
Oct 07th 2021
94
Stop punching down on my people
Oct 07th 2021
96
geez!
Oct 07th 2021
98
      He hangs out with alt-right wingers and billionaires....
Oct 07th 2021
99
      One of the major funders of the US trans activist community
Oct 07th 2021
100
      If any of us say this in public, WE CANCELED
Oct 08th 2021
113
      man listen
Oct 12th 2021
252
      Yeah....Talib, Yasiin, Black Thought, and Common fit nicely
Oct 07th 2021
106
      LOL name them
Oct 08th 2021
116
           Picture
Oct 08th 2021
119
                LOL oh are we in a Mean Girls mentality?
Oct 08th 2021
121
                     Where does the word "all" appear in his post?
Oct 08th 2021
123
                          My bad, I thought that said "all"
Oct 08th 2021
124
      Black liberals exist to scold Black folks that don't parrot white people
Oct 07th 2021
101
           They will push Black women and children out the way
Oct 08th 2021
120
           it never fails, and once you see the pattern, you can't unsee it.
Oct 08th 2021
122
           do Kevin Hart and Katt Williams parrot white people?
Oct 09th 2021
153
           yep
Oct 13th 2021
298
Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman Fr...
Oct 07th 2021
104
SPACE JEWS
Oct 08th 2021
108
Come on now, Mel Brooks did that 40 years ago
Oct 08th 2021
118
      And? Shit was still funny and you can’t tell them shit
Oct 09th 2021
147
I loved it.
Oct 08th 2021
114
I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything
Oct 08th 2021
126
RE: I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything
Oct 08th 2021
127
You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…
Oct 08th 2021
128
RE: You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…
Oct 08th 2021
131
      His generation?
Oct 09th 2021
149
           he's an almost 50 y/o black man, I know on super-woke OKP everyone tries...
Oct 09th 2021
150
                Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do better
Oct 09th 2021
156
                RE: Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do be...
Oct 09th 2021
161
                     What in the entire fuck?
Oct 09th 2021
162
                          is that not true?
Oct 09th 2021
167
                What are you even talking about?
Oct 09th 2021
159
I like Dave, think he's a Comedic Genius but equating
Oct 08th 2021
129
      It's 100% a case of they white and they said so
Oct 08th 2021
130
           Did a group of Black people actually make an issue of the shit
Oct 08th 2021
132
           show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby did
Oct 08th 2021
135
                RE: show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby di...
Oct 09th 2021
145
                     I remember that being a controversry/being talked about
Oct 09th 2021
148
Well, this post is a mess, but I watched it.
Oct 08th 2021
133
This thread sums him (and alot of y'all) up perfectly.
Oct 08th 2021
137
cisheteronormativity
Oct 09th 2021
138
all these new words
Oct 09th 2021
143
Is there an English version
Oct 10th 2021
190
Some good points and some really bad ones too.
Oct 09th 2021
144
it was a 30 year-old woman's opinion of a 50 year old man...
Oct 09th 2021
146
The premises she uses here are utter shit though
Oct 09th 2021
158
      Thank you
Oct 09th 2021
165
      No Problem
Oct 11th 2021
195
      cosign n/m
Oct 12th 2021
253
I kinda feel that if you were white, you'd call the police on us
Oct 09th 2021
170
FACTS...
Oct 09th 2021
174
Actual facts!!!
Oct 09th 2021
175
absolutely the po-lice
Oct 10th 2021
182
i cant believe there are black people that DONT get this
Oct 10th 2021
185
^^^ took long enough.
Oct 10th 2021
186
Well said.
Oct 11th 2021
198
Rap artists DID get protested for questionable content
Oct 11th 2021
209
There it is
Oct 12th 2021
238
Boy this was very well said.
Oct 13th 2021
301
BINGO!
Oct 21st 2021
382
look at these dumb motherfuckers
Oct 22nd 2021
385
      looking forward to your well thought out rebuttal.
Oct 22nd 2021
387
           you spend time writing out rebuttals to dumb motherfuckers?
Nov 02nd 2021
504
This reads like someone who didn't watch the special
Oct 14th 2021
321
I enjoyed it
Oct 09th 2021
140
He did shout out Angieee though, can I get an OKAYPLAYER
Oct 09th 2021
172
aw man,
Oct 09th 2021
177
yes ... and that was the most offensive thing to me
Oct 09th 2021
178
Why you mad?
Oct 09th 2021
180
I caught that.
Oct 11th 2021
203
It was ok.. but wow comedians are a whiney bunch these days..
Oct 09th 2021
176
Not whiny - trolly
Oct 10th 2021
188
      Some of this outrage is as cringy as Dave's complaining though..
Oct 10th 2021
189
           So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??
Oct 11th 2021
196
                RE: So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??
Oct 11th 2021
200
                     Oh my fucking god.
Oct 11th 2021
208
Here is the thing, the Trans Woman who defended him in his last special
Oct 10th 2021
183
to be fair we don't really know that
Oct 10th 2021
184
he did directly say that every joke he's told on Netflix is about white ...
Oct 10th 2021
187
maaaaaaaaan what hahahah
Oct 11th 2021
193
I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit
Oct 10th 2021
191
RE: I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit
Oct 11th 2021
194
I think this sums up the whole special for me...
Oct 11th 2021
205
^I felt a lot of this, thanks for taking the time to write it.
Oct 11th 2021
207
good post nm
Oct 11th 2021
220
really good post, but you said a WORD right here....
Oct 11th 2021
229
Well said, nm.
Oct 22nd 2021
389
It was a joke. The audience laughed
Oct 11th 2021
206
It was a joke to make his point
Oct 22nd 2021
395
Dave was right, people don't LISTEN
Oct 11th 2021
204
there's a debate on social media about whether sugar goes in grits
Oct 11th 2021
210
      Black women, as a whole, have it about 100,000x worse than Trans folks
Oct 11th 2021
211
      There are black transwomen and black transmen
Oct 11th 2021
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      I didn't choose to be a black woman
Oct 11th 2021
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           Trans people didn't choose that either.
Oct 11th 2021
216
                *blink blink*
Oct 11th 2021
222
                     So you've never listened to a transperson talk about their experience
Oct 11th 2021
224
                          ".. to me" wasn't necessary.
Oct 11th 2021
228
                          I've listened. I have a coworker who transitioned over some years
Oct 12th 2021
242
                               you're contradicting yourself
Oct 12th 2021
244
                                    No I'm not contradicting myself.
Oct 12th 2021
254
                                         got it, you respect them up to a certain point
Oct 12th 2021
258
                                         How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?
Oct 12th 2021
261
                                              I don't think this is the right question and it opens up harmful argumen...
Oct 13th 2021
283
      trans people are black women, trans people are LGBT
Oct 11th 2021
218
      You don't have to understand
Oct 11th 2021
213
           it's not really my place to speak on feminism
Oct 11th 2021
219
                Honestly, people here and broadly have little understanding of feminism
Oct 11th 2021
221
                     I think thats bullshit
Oct 11th 2021
223
                          I was speaking broadly
Oct 11th 2021
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                               RE: I was speaking broadly
Oct 11th 2021
226
I miss the old Dave ... "how old is 15 really" Dave
Oct 11th 2021
215
Killing Me Softly is probably still my favorite special from Dave
Oct 11th 2021
217
dave swears his entire life is criticism for trans "jokes"
Oct 11th 2021
235
Dave gotta be cackling about Jon Gruden
Oct 11th 2021
230
/post
Oct 11th 2021
231
Paraplegic Black man pulled from car by the hair by the cops
Oct 11th 2021
232
you gotta be a dumb motherfucker to think something like that
Oct 11th 2021
234
3hrs = gone
Oct 12th 2021
243
      yup.
Oct 12th 2021
249
      it was a wrap when they started looking through his raiders emails
Oct 12th 2021
257
      PLEASE please play me in poker so I can take every dollar you have
Oct 12th 2021
256
^^^^^^^ there it is and they still wont listen
Oct 12th 2021
240
the timing of all this is amazing
Oct 12th 2021
241
Fuck Gruden and his Momma, but I wasn't aware he was
Oct 12th 2021
245
      I think he was referencing that Gruden made racist comments and kept his
Oct 12th 2021
246
           right and the first openly gay player is actually on his team...
Oct 12th 2021
247
           I think Adwhizz is joking your weird Dave had gay sex declaration
Oct 12th 2021
248
           Oh, the only part I heard about was him making racist comments
Oct 12th 2021
250
https://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw?t=147
Oct 11th 2021
233
People showing their ass and getting fired, wonder if they are with the ...
Oct 12th 2021
love being in favor of big corporations
Oct 12th 2021
237
People showing their ass and getting fired, wonder if they are with the ...
Oct 12th 2021
236
It bugs me that people casually saying "Anti-Trans Writer JK Rowling"
Oct 12th 2021
251
sometimes it's hard to tell when you don't know stuff
Oct 12th 2021
255
You should watch Contrapoints' analysis/commentary on Rowling,
Oct 12th 2021
259
hell yeah. I love Contrapoints. I repped her two years ago here.
Oct 13th 2021
276
Ok she was very good. I agreed with 90% of what she was saying.
Oct 13th 2021
299
      I agree with JK to an extent
Oct 14th 2021
319
      lol
Oct 25th 2021
418
the UK cultural discussion on this stuff is hella interesting
Oct 12th 2021
260
lol
Oct 12th 2021
264
Her sentiment is fence straddling nonsense
Oct 12th 2021
262
      I don't think she is saying that at all or maybe I don't follow you.
Oct 12th 2021
263
           I've been goading buddy into saying stupid shit for years
Oct 12th 2021
265
                you got 40,000 views on reddit bro.
Oct 12th 2021
266
Shaun King is TALKING ABOUT IT...
Oct 12th 2021
267
The Gruden/NFL situation is proving Dave's punchline to be true...
Oct 13th 2021
268
*paging a mod to call Cyren a dumb motherfucker and loser*
Oct 13th 2021
269
LMAO
Oct 13th 2021
270
Lmaoooo
Oct 13th 2021
271
When keeping it real goes wrong!
Oct 13th 2021
274
lol
Oct 13th 2021
272
so is my name in your mouth or not in your mouth
Oct 13th 2021
273
keep that same energy or nah
Oct 13th 2021
275
I was being serious.
Oct 13th 2021
278
      he prefers punching down
Oct 13th 2021
280
           LOL, he's probably punching down on the
Oct 13th 2021
281
                Still, if I don't keep posting in this thread, I've been disappeared.
Oct 13th 2021
284
                you put dudes hypocrisy on full display
Oct 13th 2021
286
                so in your imagination, how many people have I banned?
Oct 14th 2021
322
                     I was truly trying to understand the leap taken there... lol
Oct 14th 2021
324
I'm not going to call Homie a loser and all that Extra shit but
Oct 13th 2021
287
      but the tone from ESPN and others was.. its bad but not THAT bad
Oct 13th 2021
291
      bruh he was NOT gonna get fired for the racial shit
Oct 14th 2021
325
           it's interesting that the second tranche of emails is described one way
Oct 16th 2021
341
except not really
Oct 13th 2021
297
      your opinion of his approach doesn't change the truth...
Oct 14th 2021
320
correlation vs. causation; cumulative effect,
Oct 13th 2021
277
pain AND frustration
Oct 13th 2021
279
word
Oct 13th 2021
289
Yeah you just got to be careful not to pit oppressed groups against each
Oct 13th 2021
285
      True, but isn't it a LITTLE odd that we are all talking about this ONE g...
Oct 13th 2021
288
      For example, when you say "They" you are really talking about a small
Oct 13th 2021
292
           On that we agree, but to the larger point he was making
Oct 13th 2021
296
                I think this is right.
Oct 13th 2021
306
      He said that in the special almost verbatim
Oct 13th 2021
290
           Folks are poor at listening
Oct 13th 2021
293
           I bet half the people turned it off before that point was made
Oct 13th 2021
294
           Bro saying I don't have an issue with LGBTQ doesn't clean it up complete...
Oct 13th 2021
295
           I been thinking about this.... tldr
Oct 13th 2021
300
                The Gruden thing proves we are NOT equal...
Oct 13th 2021
302
                Did Caitlyn Jenner get woman of the year before or after
Oct 13th 2021
303
                Dave left millions on the table & took off to Africa...
Oct 13th 2021
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                ^^^
Oct 13th 2021
305
                See my post above.
Oct 14th 2021
309
                     I can't go here with you.
Oct 14th 2021
311
                          I am.
Oct 14th 2021
316
                               Yea I think this is probably right and fair.
Oct 14th 2021
323
                but now that Dave got all his money his best friends are white supremaci...
Oct 16th 2021
342
                     Can you please expand upon his white supremacist friends?
Oct 18th 2021
361
                          you missed who he's kicking it with? your boy Rogan?
Oct 21st 2021
376
                               I know he did his podcast, Iono if he's kicking it with him.
Oct 27th 2021
438
                                    he caught covid doing comedy shows in texas with dude
Oct 28th 2021
447
                wait? The same way white folks have harmed us?
Oct 13th 2021
307
                     I haven't seen any gay folks in chains(at least not voluntarily)
Oct 14th 2021
308
                     Oh stop! You know that's not what I meant.
Oct 14th 2021
310
                          thanks for clarifying
Oct 14th 2021
313
                               lol, fair enough
Oct 14th 2021
314
           REPEATEDLY said it, too
Oct 14th 2021
326
Dave Chappelle seems like a Q
Oct 13th 2021
282
After watching multiple times
Oct 14th 2021
312
half the folks complaining about it haven't actually watched it...
Oct 14th 2021
317
he never does lol
Oct 14th 2021
318
That's the thing he never says anything specifically malicious
Oct 15th 2021
329
Right. Even if what he's saying isn't malicious, it's probably leading t...
Oct 15th 2021
331
There would have to be something malicious right?
Oct 15th 2021
332
      No there wouldn't.
Oct 15th 2021
333
RE:
Oct 16th 2021
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      This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 16th 2021
337
           RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 16th 2021
339
                RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to...
Oct 17th 2021
343
hey, why'd Dave quit his comedy central show?
Oct 16th 2021
340
      I'm not seeing the Dave audience to be ....
Oct 17th 2021
344
           where'd you perform this survey?
Oct 17th 2021
345
           Thank you.
Oct 18th 2021
356
           what kind of content gives people ammo to attack trans people?
Oct 17th 2021
346
                I think you know that a large part of bigotry is irrationally
Oct 17th 2021
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                     I don't think that at all.
Oct 18th 2021
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                     You would contend that bigotry is rational?
Oct 19th 2021
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                          it's perhaps the most rational thing ever?
Oct 19th 2021
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                     .
Oct 18th 2021
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I'm glad he said he's moving on from this topic
Oct 14th 2021
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so Netflix gave him $60mil for nothing?
Oct 14th 2021
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      No, they got views and subscriptions.
Oct 14th 2021
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           Boom
Oct 15th 2021
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           subscriber growth/retention and stock price.
Oct 16th 2021
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           so not because he's the most popular comedian in the world?
Oct 16th 2021
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           Was Dave given $60 million dollars just to talk about transgendered ppl?
Oct 17th 2021
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                there's no evidence that really any of this is true?
Oct 17th 2021
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                I'm not calling him Andrew Dice Clay
Oct 18th 2021
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                     ehhhh
Oct 19th 2021
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                Squid Games is the most popular show on Netflix right now
Oct 18th 2021
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                This whole piece of the thread is weird
Oct 18th 2021
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                You typed this in post #315. Its not true:
Oct 18th 2021
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                     What part is a lie?
Oct 18th 2021
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                          Its the most watched standup and most popular programs on netflix?
Oct 18th 2021
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                               Is that how you and ThaTruth interpreted that post?
Oct 18th 2021
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                                    I'm not interpreting anything i quoted YOUR words lol
Oct 19th 2021
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                                         "Folks" = members of the transgendered community
Oct 20th 2021
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                                              that's not what you said, if you misspoke just say that lol...
Oct 20th 2021
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                                                   I didn't misspeak.
Oct 20th 2021
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                                                        okayplayer. n/m
Oct 20th 2021
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           If they loved controversy, why'd they cancel Bill Cosby's deal?
Oct 16th 2021
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                lol, you wylin
Oct 18th 2021
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                     mfs really not out here supporting a black man who technically
Oct 19th 2021
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Chappelle has taken over my Youtube algorithm
Oct 19th 2021
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You're talking about Dave here. quite a bit... connect the dots...
Oct 21st 2021
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i think the Ultron at the center of Youtube thinks this shit is fun.
Oct 21st 2021
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I end up agreeing with Matthew Yglesias a lot.
Oct 20th 2021
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Yeah
Oct 20th 2021
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cave to who? they aren't asking for it to be taken down
Oct 21st 2021
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      oh god, not you again
Oct 21st 2021
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           lulz
Oct 21st 2021
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           don't mind me
Oct 22nd 2021
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imagine saying these words out loud
Oct 21st 2021
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      who, the Vox guy?
Nov 19th 2021
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Anyone following the Levine story (politics)
Oct 21st 2021
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Even if you're a fan of Dave, you might have to admit....
Oct 22nd 2021
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If all you got from that was I have a trans friend too
Oct 22nd 2021
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RE: If all you got from that was I have a trans friend too
Oct 22nd 2021
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IMO Dave always pushed the needle too far
Oct 22nd 2021
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if he really pushed the needle to far about white people
Oct 22nd 2021
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because he didn’t just push it too far with white people
Oct 25th 2021
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      but I heard you can't go too far in comedy. everything is in bounds
Oct 25th 2021
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He wasn't just "questioning white LGBTQ's" though.
Oct 22nd 2021
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not only that
Oct 22nd 2021
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      I dont think anyone is waiting for Dave’s cosign before joking those g...
Oct 25th 2021
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           you would be amazed
Oct 25th 2021
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                Come on now
Oct 25th 2021
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                sometimes I wonder if you are a real person.. lol
Oct 25th 2021
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                     lol
Oct 25th 2021
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thought it was a decent special
Oct 23rd 2021
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Dave says it's untrue that he was invited to speak to trans
Oct 25th 2021
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He said a BUNCH of more shit too
Oct 25th 2021
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Did you read the article you linked
Oct 25th 2021
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It cost $50 or more to see the documentary (Arena shows)
Oct 26th 2021
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      RE: It cost $50 or more to see the documentary (Arena shows)
Oct 26th 2021
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damn no charlotte stop on the movie tour
Oct 25th 2021
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Yeah that's why I linked the video.
Oct 26th 2021
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who was asking?
Oct 25th 2021
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Poor Hannah Gadsby
Oct 25th 2021
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      Damn she caught a stray there
Oct 26th 2021
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for someone who said he's done, he's surely still talking about it
Oct 25th 2021
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He is suppose to talk about it
Oct 25th 2021
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lol
Oct 25th 2021
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      What ?
Oct 25th 2021
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           he aint got a point and he never has lol
Oct 25th 2021
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                lol
Oct 25th 2021
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                     how can you laugh? the media is putting out lieeeeees
Oct 25th 2021
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                          oooooooooooooo dave is the senpai
Oct 25th 2021
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I doubt its any of those things
Oct 25th 2021
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bro crying about not being able to go to the office?
Oct 26th 2021
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Isn't it strange a comedian is generating this much press and mentions?
Oct 26th 2021
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actually, both sides are bad
Oct 26th 2021
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^^^A grown man bragging that he got a fridge that looks like an X-box
Oct 26th 2021
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      thank you for engaging with my very interesting content
Oct 27th 2021
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This is a great question to ask Dave.
Oct 27th 2021
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LOL exactly right.
Oct 27th 2021
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lol fair
Oct 27th 2021
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      I mean, he's the one who did this.
Oct 27th 2021
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Dave isn't merely "a comedian"
Oct 27th 2021
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      nah.. Dave IS a comedian
Oct 28th 2021
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           "merely" a comedian
Oct 28th 2021
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Violence has been visited upon women since the beginning of time
Oct 27th 2021
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I think Cold Truth's response in #435 addresses this.
Oct 27th 2021
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Oh Dave, shoulda just stuck with the nigga jokes
Oct 27th 2021
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3 specials is an obsession/beating a dead horse ? What ?
Oct 27th 2021
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Bro, even Jim Gaffigan laid off Hot Pockets after 2 specials.
Oct 27th 2021
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Maher talks about the "woke left" every week.
Oct 27th 2021
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      One of these things is not like the other.
Oct 27th 2021
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      Nah people in this thread are using a double standard
Oct 27th 2021
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      but he definitely has some problematic perspectives, for which he doesn'...
Oct 27th 2021
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      Giving full context on DaBaby’s shooting would ruin the joke
Oct 28th 2021
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      But it wasn't in service to a joke. It was in service to an opinion
Oct 28th 2021
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      Still sounds like you are downplaying Maher
Oct 28th 2021
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           I'm not, not at all.
Oct 28th 2021
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                You making excuses for him
Oct 28th 2021
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                     No, you just want that to be the case.
Oct 28th 2021
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                          Nah it's obvious you are
Oct 29th 2021
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      imagine thinking that Maher is an example of a double standard
Oct 28th 2021
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      It's true.
Oct 28th 2021
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      Well some on this board think otherwise
Oct 28th 2021
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           He shouldn't be.
Oct 28th 2021
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           a pass from who motherfucker?
Oct 28th 2021
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                lmao dammmmmn from senpai to motherfucker
Oct 28th 2021
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                     How does this work?
Oct 29th 2021
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                     BUTWHATABOUT....
Oct 29th 2021
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                     Save the strawman and watch the special
Oct 29th 2021
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                          If the algorithms keep feeding you Maher...
Oct 29th 2021
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                               Watch the special
Oct 29th 2021
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                     ah. since you can't name one fucking person who gave maher a pass
Oct 29th 2021
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                          It was on the board pull up the threads if you need a name.
Oct 29th 2021
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                               I asked you. you so far have no names
Oct 30th 2021
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                                    It's on the board if you want the name you can get it if not...meh
Oct 30th 2021
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                                         no it isn't. I read the entire board just now and didn't see it
Oct 31st 2021
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                                              Read it again and use the search function
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                   I looked, it doesn't exist you're a confirmed liar
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                        lol
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                             you admit that you're making it up. cool.
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                                  and there is no one who outside of the losers who go on his show that th...
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                                       You're obsessed.
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                                       This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of other white pe...
Nov 01st 2021
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                                                                       no link bro doesn't exist
Nov 02nd 2021
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      Is this a bit ?
Oct 28th 2021
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           Is what a bit ?
Oct 28th 2021
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                Three consecutive standup specials.
Oct 28th 2021
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                     Months apart
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                          ^^This dude is malfunctioning
Oct 29th 2021
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                          Welcome back chicken little, on 100 out of left field
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                          only counting the show time?
Oct 31st 2021
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                               Yes only the show time can't verify the items you listed.
Nov 01st 2021
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      Bing-o
Oct 29th 2021
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      maher's a dumb piece of shit who was never even funny
Oct 28th 2021
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           So are you but we don't hold it against you LOL
Oct 28th 2021
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                so you acknowledge that I am a subject matter expert
Oct 28th 2021
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didnt the trans woman kill herself after she defended Dave
Oct 28th 2021
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      "the community"
Oct 29th 2021
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      where's the community turning on her?
Nov 17th 2021
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I still don't understand the issue here
Oct 28th 2021
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I think you do.. lol
Oct 28th 2021
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      Some jokes.
Oct 28th 2021
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           funny is hella subjective
Nov 02nd 2021
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                well duh.
Nov 17th 2021
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RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer
Nov 01st 2021
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the community??? ooooh, he’s gonna get you!
Nov 02nd 2021
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most of yall are phonies
Nov 01st 2021
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so, about Dave's story where he uses a trans woman to shield himelf
Nov 17th 2021
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Unsurprising
Nov 17th 2021
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really just making up a story to justify what he wanted to do
Nov 18th 2021
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Gross.
Nov 17th 2021
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LOL. The smoking gun article didn't speak to a single person...
Nov 17th 2021
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if you don't like the facts, change the subject
Nov 18th 2021
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Meh
Nov 17th 2021
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changing what you believe would be embarrassing
Nov 18th 2021
518
      You deflecting
Nov 18th 2021
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           This is crazy
Nov 18th 2021
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           Yep
Nov 18th 2021
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           which the article doesn't do
Nov 18th 2021
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                What is the imaginary narrative you've attributed to me?
Nov 18th 2021
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                     it's dave's narrative, which you don't want to investigate
Nov 18th 2021
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                          Well that's inconsistent w/ what I said in reply 57
Nov 18th 2021
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                               you are replying to my reply
Nov 19th 2021
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                                    Why are still typing to me after being so wrong?
Nov 19th 2021
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           I know buddy
Nov 18th 2021
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you been a lil obsessed with Dave
Nov 17th 2021
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you were the one asking questions about the community turning on her
Nov 18th 2021
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the twitter scolds internal investigation has spoken
Nov 17th 2021
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sorry this one didn't go your way
Nov 18th 2021
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      congrats on someone wrote an article
Nov 18th 2021
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           eh, I knew it was bullshit I get nothing from this
Nov 18th 2021
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you must have worked for comedy central in mid 2000s
Nov 20th 2021
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1. "Solid... had its moments..."
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Dove's more of a story teller than comedian now but thats not a bad thing at all IMHO. The last story was definitely touching! But I foresee people possibly comparing it to prejudice white people who point to their one black friend that defends them.



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2. "She must be "one of the good ones""
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201. "Yikes."
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3. "BEYOND PXSSY"
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IG: amadu_me

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4. "lmao"
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5. "this shit was amazing"
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I had a hit but this shit was ..sort of transcendent for him. He chanelled Richard and went a bit beyond.

  

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6. "man i hope he was playing about this be his last special for a min"
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he keeps getting better and better

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7. "RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer"
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>What do the people of OKP think of this final chapter of the
>Chappelle Netflix specials?
>
>I thought the final story about his friend was rather
>touching.
>
>Not the funniest special imo, but it had its moments here and
>there.
>

Some people watch things with the intention of finding something to fault. Some are doing it on purpose. Some are doing it subconsciously. Regardless, I can’t imagine doing that with my time.

That written, this was a great ending for me if he doesn’t do anymore. I watch wrestling and love hiphop so I don’t buy ‘this is my last one for a while’ type talk until you look up and it’s been 20 years since Stankonia. Anyway, the last 15 minutes was especially human and best case scenario Dave storytelling. Sadly, I’m not confident that it will be seen that way since trying to make everything polarizing is big business on earth in 2021. So the thinkpieces and hitman tweets will flow. And nothing will ever be good enough if the mad about everything portion of our population don’t want it to be. And maybe it wasn’t perfect. But I enjoyed it…especially the last 15 minutes. I took it as an excellent close and a powerful tribute to someone who isn’t here anymore.

  

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8. "the LGBTQ community didnt take shit from Kevin Hart"
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his self-righteous mouth did that

its sad seeing someone as smart as Dave buy into that boogeyman bullshit

lets be clear,
Kevin Hart tripped over himself doubling down on his ignorance, then deployed the cheapest apology kit he could find and mass produced it, you know, because his ‘team’ is so goddamn smart

never once did he think to educate himself on LGBTQ issues

not one dime did he dedicate to educating others on the same ignorance he suffers from

it was disappointing seeing Dave use such a big platform to perpetuate such a trash myth

  

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9. "his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole man"
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8:46 was his high mark for me



I'm tired of sitting through is processing of a subject matter. at this point, if he announced being gay or experiencing body dysmorphia, I wouldn't be surprised - I'm not saying that I think this is case, but it all has been so front of mind for so long for him that it just wouldn't be a shocker if it were the case.

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11. "I definitely thought at some point while watching..."
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dude has definitely smashed a dude.

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12. "meanwhile, IF true, the response would be, "Ok and?""
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"was he white or black? you ain't color stuck is you?"

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68. "Dave wrote that "a mouth's a mouth" bit from the Dude's Night Out sketch"
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didn't he?
Wouldn't that be some shit if that was more reality based than anyone ever thought.

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117. "Oop and it came back up in this special."
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13. "RE: his obsession with LGBTQIA people is just...stop digging that hole m..."
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>8:46 was his high mark for me
>
>
>
>I'm tired of sitting through is processing of a subject
>matter. at this point, if he announced being gay or
>experiencing body dysmorphia, I wouldn't be surprised - I'm
>not saying that I think this is case, but it all has been so
>front of mind for so long for him that it just wouldn't be a
>shocker if it were the case.


He's explaining that community's mindset compared to the racism in America towards black folk..he isnt
harping on lgbtq, he is exposing the racism overall

  

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24. "I get that for sure, it's just feeling tired at this point"
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he raised points, its thought provoking

but theres an aspect about it that feels kinda brute force even though he knows history

bleh.

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30. "Right, I fell asleep on this, woke up 30 minutes later,"
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and he was still telling LGBT jokes.

  

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18. "I haven’t watched yet but I think Dave"
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keeps joking them because people keep trying to tell him not to..

personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you have to be able to take some jokes



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26. "I thought he was done with it in the last two specials. "
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like, how many times are we going to keep talking about it

let that art and statement stand, but he had to keep going back to a point to show that he see the humanity - which is what I got in the last specials

he's all protestin' much and all.

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27. "um no. that's not at all how equality works"
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>personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you
>have to be able to take some jokes
>

that's the dumbest shit you've said this week.

that's elementary school level dumb.

that's your head is up your own ass dumb.

that's you've spent zero time studying or understanding history dumb

that's shit is spewing in the opposite direction from your asshole up through your stomach and out your mouth dumb.

just shut the fuck up sometimes.

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33. "wow lol"
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49. "damn. lmao"
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35. "saying this as a presumably black man is insane"
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>personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you
>have to be able to take some jokes

  

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115. "He tells jokes.. people act like he is giving Taliban orders"
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134. "tell me how you felt about Louis CK saying nigger in a joke again"
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136. "I don’t believe I have ever witnessed CK do a nigger joke"
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i told a story about CK doing an imitation of a mentally challenged character for his daughter and the punchline was the character was a Black man and the crowd groaned…

and then he mailed the rest of his set in.


Now I do remember you recommending a comedy special with a white dude who said nigger 10 minutes into his set and none of it was funny.

But like kayru99 said below, progressive liberal Black folks on here always end up defending white people at the end of the day.

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151. "my bad, I was thinking of David Cross"
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but yeah

you said "personally I think if you want to be treated equally then you have to be able to take some jokes"

only to have an issue with white comics doing racial humor

  

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169. "The jokes just need to be funny"
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I’m a Bill Burr fan and he does racial jokes I find hilarious.

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44. "Nearly half of trans women will be the victim of a hate crime."
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That's in an old study from all the way back in... June 2021.

The violent death toll of transgender people grows annually.

90% of trans people reported workplace harassment.

More than half of trans men will attempt suicide in their lives. 30% of trans women will attempt suicide.

LGBT people, and especially trans people, are disproportionately affected by homelessness.

Trans people are disproportionately more likely to have HIV.

I could go on... but, like, I think it's pretty obvious that an inability to take jokes is not what's preventing trans people from being treated equally. It's the insane discrimination that comes from people not making even the most basic attempt to empathize. And a lot of that lack of empathy comes from people who simply don't understand. And jokes like the ones Dave tells encourages people to continue to not understand.

Dave joking about trans people because people tell him not to... is like Kyrie refusing the vaccine because people tell him to get it: it's more important for him to feel correct than it is for him to see the facts, empathize with the world around him, and understand how his actions can negatively affect and influence others.

(Yes, I'm a teacher who's had multiple trans students and seen what they've gone through, so maybe this is a bit personal for me, admittedly. But I also think people generally just *do not understand* how at-risk trans lives are. The statistics are beyond staggering.)

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45. "Ugh, the editing period expired right as I was changing my post. "
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Goddammit. This wasn't meant to target the above poster, and I regret framing the above post as if it was exclusively him defending Dave's material here-- especially since he said he hadn't even seen the special. I got off track a little, and I'm mad at myself for ranting about this topic (especially here, where a lot of people probably just have their minds made up, and it's unlikely to make much impact). But Chappelle's one of my all-time heroes, and it just really, really, really, REALLY sucks to see him take this path. It's fucking heartbreaking. So I left out a really important thing that's worth clarifying in my post--

No one's telling Dave he can't make jokes about trans people. He's on his sixth Netflix special and he's hosted SNL multiple times in the past couple years, so clearly no one's telling Dave he can't make jokes about *anything,* but this idea that people are trying to "silence" him when he tells shitty jokes is... pretty transparently wrong. He can joke about whatever he wants. And people can call it out when it's damaging and/or hateful. That's how it works.

If his jokes on this issue had insight or variety, that'd be one thing, because I'd defend any comedian (especially a hero of mine) trying to craft good material on any subject matter. But when his jokes mostly revolve around "they're not real women! they're dudes!" and they have been that way for a while? Then clearly he's not really attempting to do anything other than double down. And the tone of it is just soooo defensive.

There's a pretty good rule of thumb that applies across the board. The moment any comic starts doing material that involves them saying, in a naughty boy tone, "What's wrong? have I *offended* you??" or some variation of that? Then yeah, in general, they've fallen off. Dave's presence and timing and what have you are still absolutely elite. But that trans material is just really lazy and has been for a while now. And he'd rather do an entire defensive special than admit that he may have said some things that were more hurtful and out-of-touch than they were funny.

Anyway. Sorry. This is one of those issues that just sets me off. Probably shouldn't post about it online, not much good will come from it. Hope everyone is well and thinks empathetically about trans people this week.

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47. "Co-sign on both your posts."
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Haven't seen this special yet, but from the reactions I gather he hasn't evolved from the stuff that I did see and that made me roll my eyes. Feels like he's refusing to evolve through critical introspection and is slowly going the John Cleese route instead. It's such a shame because it casts a shadow on the excellent stuff he's given/giving the world.

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56. "Yes. Both posts yes."
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59. "Yes on both posts. It's very disappointing shit from him."
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141. "And yet.."
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https://publicintegrity.org/politics/black-americans-still-are-victims-of-hate-crimes-more-than-any-other-group/

So why don’t the (white) social justice warriors go to bat as fervently for them as they do anti-lgbtq? (in general, not you specifically) It’s clearly his point for 2+ specials now (caitlyn/cassius etc..I know you’ve seen them too).

To me, this is almost like dave’s “the aristocrats!”-asized version of patrice’s more concise “missing women” hypocrisy bit..do the transphobic jokes go too hard? Yes, but i also believe its the only way to truly drive his point home.

  

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155. "yuuuuuuuup."
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171. "^"
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157. "The fact that no one touched this response is telling"
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160. "it doesn't fit the narrative"
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239. "Or maybe calling people social justice warriors is dumb."
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*shrugs*

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370. "I missed it but yes, this is interesting"
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372. "I didn't see it. But I'll say this: I've never disowned someone for"
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their LGBTQ views.

I have, however, cut out large swaths of people for their views on Black people and Black issues- and there were countless impassioned conversations leading up to that point.

You could say that the fact that I had so many such people in my bubble was/is a reflection on me, and that's fair, though it was just as much a reflection of my actual physical location and proximity, as it was anything else. But I digress.

I have those conversations less often now, because I just wound up pruning those people from my life nearly entirely. But I routinely have these discussions with my wife, family, and friends, as well as others online. Though, even that comes with some limits; my Black friends and family don't really need me going hard at every issue, because they deal with it day in, and day out, and don't exactly want to hear about it more than they already do. But yes, we have those discussions.

OKP really isn't a place for me to go HAM on the subject of Black issues, because this is a place where I largely need to listen more than speak, due to the high concentration of Black people here.

That isn't to say that this take isn't valid overall, or that I don't falter along the way, or that I'm somehow the exception to the rule. I'm just saying, I make plenty of passionate defenses of Black people and Black issues with non-Black people.

I can't recall disowning people for LGBTQ views, but that's largely because that subject hasn't really come up a lot until recent years.

And by that time, I had largely disowned most of the people who would have problematic views on LGBTQ issues for their problematic views on Black issues.

I don't know whether or not I pass any of Dave's (or anyone else's) metrics for what would qualify as a quality "ally"- a term I don't really care for, because I'm so deeply entrenched and invested, but it's also not my direct, 1st person, lived experience either. But again, I digress.

I suspect that it's not so dissimilar with the LGTBQ community, in any event. Because, even for the well-meaning and intended, for every impassioned argument and defense, I'm probably saying or doing something, somewhere along the line, that either doesn't quite nail it, or is detrimental to some degree.

  

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502. "Aren't you omitting something..."
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considering your wife/ex-wife (don't know your current situation) is Black and therefore your children are at least half Black as well?

That is to say, you have a vested interest in defending Black people and cutting folks off for their anti-Black views.

Could that answer the "why" in RagOnMe's post as it pertains to you?



>I've never disowned someone for their LGBTQ views.
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>I have, however, cut out large swaths of people for their
>views on Black people and Black issues- and there were
>countless impassioned conversations leading up to that point.
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505. "I wouldn't call that an ommission. That's known. "
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I've discussed it here before, so I have no problem putting it out there. I just figured that was more or less known by most people who interact with me here.

Also, I did say this, at the bottom of my post:

"I don't know whether or not I pass any of Dave's (or anyone else's) metrics for what would qualify as a quality "ally"- a term I don't really care for, because I'm so deeply entrenched and invested, but it's also not my direct, 1st person, lived experience either."

So I definitely didn't leave it out, I just didn't say it overtly. Because again, people here know that about me.

>That is to say, you have a vested interest in defending Black
>people and cutting folks off for their anti-Black views.

Certainly.

>Could that answer the "why" in RagOnMe's post as it pertains
>to you?

Not in my case, unless I misunderstand your question relative to Ragonme's. I've always had close proximity, just not to that degree.

Yes, it's the old "some of my best friends are Black", but it's still true. The woman who was my biggest rock throguhout my teenage and young adult years, was a Black woman, and her children are more or less my siblings. I've posted about my relationship with her son on here, in fact, though I don't know that I ever said "oh yeah fyi he's Black". It's not just that family, but that's the best example.

Still, I can't deny the larger impact and perspective marrying a Black woman and having Black children hasBut I think I would have reached this point without that happening, because I already had a foot out of that bubble by the time I even met my wife.

And I was having those conversations with those people when I still thought of them as friends and family, because my naivete led me to believe I could be a voice of reason.

I was wrong. And far less educated than I am now. But I'm confident that I'd still have wound up chucking those deuces to those sample people, for the same reasons, at some point. Maybe even sooner, because a significant catalyst was me leaving the church. How and why that is, is another discussion, which i'm perfectly happy to have if you're curious about the correlation.

But, to answer your question in a broader context, certainly.

Proximity can change a lot of things. So, I'm sure there are plenty of white liberals with little or minimal proximity to Black people, who just aren't as passionate about that, because it doesn't effect them.

And I don't mean to minimize that, if that's how I came across.

Mainly, I'm speaking from within my personal bubble, since the question does apply to me, and I do know people who are just as loud and fervent on the issue of racism as they are anti-lgbtq sentiments.

And for me, I rarely occupy spaces where that's even necessary now.

  

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179. "agreed"
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weird, like 70% of his act was about that.

  

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398. "I agree, but I'm not interested in the 'liberal' objections to it"
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i.e. bringing up the RL plight of trans people and allat like transphobes doing the bullshit really tuning in to Dave Chappelle like that

kill the virtue signaling and all of that, making it more than what it is.

the problem with Dave going there is two fold:

1) he sounds obsessed about the topic, to the point of being cynical so that he can easily get the attention. See also: Lil Boosie talking about the gays.

2) it isn't funny. like he tells no actual jokes. this is a man who told the funniest "kick em in the pussy" joke ever. he can't get one good joke out on this topic after about 4 attempts.

there's a way to be a crank and actually be funny about it. if you're going to do Archie Bunker '21 while Black, part of that joke is that you have to really make yourself look like a dumbass, but that clashes with the whole "Chappelle" motif in the first place.

move on from this topic, Dave. "We Get It, You Don't Understand Trans People".

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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449. "liberalllllllls"
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the problem isn't virtue signaling or whatever tweets somebody showed you in a youtube video

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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478. "a YouTube video did not inform my comment"
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nor did a podcast. Watching the public response to this did.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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10. "He doesn't punch up, He doesn't punch down, He punches lines."
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I thought his timing was off for the first few minutes
Or maybe I'm just old because he was definitely pushing buttons
Got real funny when he got comfortable and slowed down the dialogue

But the Daphne story, man, that just hit...HARD
You can tell how effected he is by her passing

Da Baby killed somebody in Walmart...but that didn't stall his career, LOL.

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36. "the killing was supposedly self defense and before he was famous"
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>Da Baby killed somebody in Walmart...but that didn't stall his
>career, LOL.

it's bad logic

  

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58. "Don’t kill Da Baby"
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66. "The way Dave presented it made Dababy look WORSE in"
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that situation than what actually happened.


I get comedic license and all but he made it sound like Dababy was just a cold blooded killer who gunned down an innocent person in the Walmart

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181. "Not necessarily"
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Niggas will go back 8 years and pull up a bad tweet from somebody before they were famous and run them through the ringer.

But Da Baby, even though he did kill somebody in self defense, nobody went back and brought that up once?

Them niggas that made Who I Smoke are doing fine.

YNW Melly was doing great up until he got charged with double murder.

Tay Kay was on the run for doing heinous shit and his song was getting burn.

  

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227. "I mentioned them below, but whatever label these new"
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Drill rappers are on SHOULD be getting all the smoke for releasing music about actual victims of recent murders


>Them niggas that made Who I Smoke are doing fine.

Are they though? Spinnabenz, Foolio and other rappers in that realm have lost bookings/missed money making opportunities based on the controversy surrounding them



DaBaby shooting someone at Walmart wasn't exactly some dark secret, it was well known and he would talk about it openly in songs/interviews, if anything it probably helped his reputation and rap career

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14. "Has he changed a bunch?"
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Because the last 4 specials make the dude seem reactionary to me.

I'll say it again:
Then: Dave was actively, maliciously, and falsely accused of everything under the sun when The Chappelle Show was on. He was intentionally harmed and there were people in bad faith actually trying to destroy him.

Now: He just doesn't like people telling him not to joke about gays - or telling him to STFU when he says "Give Trump a chance." Most of those criticisms are not in bad faith, and they are not trying to destroy him personally on the whole.

But I don't think he can tell the difference anymore.

And that's COMPLETELY understandable. I know me, personally, would not be able to do it. Dick Gregory was absolutely destroyed too.

Once an actual conspiracy targets you and does damage you'll likely see conspiracies EVERYWHERE. Again, I would crumble. And many people have.

So Dave's rich, has millions of SUPER FANS, and can't NOT complain about gay people on Netflix - a service I think is bad.







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15. "Dave still making OKP’s mad"
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must be a good special

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16. "RE: Dave still making OKP’s mad"
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>must be a good special

It is.

  

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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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31. "exactly lol"
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60. "^"
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61. "lol ....basically. "
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63. "basic, yeah thats a good word that describes those that agree"
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20. "Thought it was super dope!"
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beet juice LMAO

  

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21. "someone that knows him..."
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has addressed his misguided views

he's doubling down for "arts sake"

which makes his takes less sharp and more recationary

dave is smart, and is pushing this as a political agenda at this point

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22. "^^^ sees it ^^^"
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..I was thinking the same thing while watching.

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25. "RE: someone that knows him..."
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>has addressed his misguided views

Pardon my ignorance, but who are you referencing?

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34. "mutual friends"
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28. "i just wasted 10 min reading and responding to this post."
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therefore i'm fresh out of time to watch that bullshit.

no thanks. i see who says it's great, which means its trash.


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29. "it was ok."
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got better towards the end, especially that final story.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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32. "surprised Im the first to point out the Angie shoutout"
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yes, that Angie

  

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37. "pretty unfunny"
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there are so very few quotes in this post because on paper the material is offensive. which leads me to believe people are laughing because of who said it, not because the material was good

doing an hour of tasteless material and ending with a tribute to a trans woman is the same as a white guy doing an hour of racist material and going "but in all seriousness I befriended a black guy who killed himself, he was a great man"

Netflix is shameless too, they care about revenue more than who his content harms

  

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38. "There's no defending Dave on this, imo. "
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The obsession with joking about LGBTQ, in particular about trans people, has gone from lazy to simply bizarre. Dude is a brilliant comic and can find a billion ways to have interesting things to say about society, yet he *keeps* choosing to go back to the same tired well. It's been his weakest material for multiple specials now, and he keeps leaning harder and harder into it.

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39. "first time I ever got tired of a chappelle special. had to turn it off"
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this dude is gonna have to drop the lgbtq stuff one day. it's not the topic he thinks it is.

I'll get back to it soon, but it just feels weird. Especially trying to paint JK as some poor victim, lmfao. She's the biggest troll.

  

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46. "And she's damn near a billionaire. With another movie coming out. "
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>Especially trying to paint JK as some poor victim, lmfao. She's the biggest troll.

And a new children's book she just released. She's one of the least silenced people in the world.

Rich people always defend other rich people's rights to say whatever they want without incurring any public criticism. It's baffling.

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40. "lemme guess, he's still being silenced ?"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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50. "LoL"
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41. "Brave. Someone had to say it"
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.Of course dweebs on this messageboard wouldn't like it.

Its too racial

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42. "look at the big man here"
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white people and women are all of a sudden incapable of controversial jokes

you're the lit one, everyone else is a dweeb

  

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51. "you are either non-black, or was in the military after ROTC in the burbs"
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55. "He's not some millionaire Malcolm X. This isnt bravery. "
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Calm down

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69. "i think this was less black, racial and masculine than 8:46"
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139. "That part"
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>.Of course dweebs on this messageboard wouldn't like it.
>
>Its too racial
>
>too masculine
>
>too black.
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142. " most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships..."
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with their fathers, grandfathers or uncles and are abhorred by the average opinion of an old black man.

Its difficult to be politically correct in today's comedy scene.

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152. "it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedian"
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stupid thoughts that old black men have dont need to be broadcasted on Netflix

  

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154. "RE: it's insane to compare barbershop talk to a multi-millionaire comedi..."
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>stupid thoughts that old black men have dont need to be
>broadcasted on Netflix

is it really just old black men though?

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166. "Im directly quoting you"
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most of the "woke" black people on this site have no relationships
with their fathers, grandfathers or uncles and are abhorred by the average opinion of an old black man.

  

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168. "you are, but does that answer my question?"
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163. "LOL. WHAT?!?!"
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192. "I thought you were Black. "
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Because you posting real Tucker Carlson right now

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43. "i liked it. damn he's locked in tho"
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it's become really personal. the more people tell him what he needs to not talk about or how he needs to 'catch up' the more he's gonna keep barking back.

it's interesting to watch.

  

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48. "this is the loserest shit ever"
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who is actually telling him he needs to do anything other than the people paying him hundreds of millions of dollars to do exactly what he's been doing?

and you talking about bro like he's making some sacrifice for the world, you niggas will never get free LOL

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64. "you really do love making shit up"
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>and you talking about bro like he's making some sacrifice for
>the world

  

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70. "these are your words"
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"the more people tell him what he needs to not talk about or how he needs to 'catch up' the more he's gonna keep barking back."


completely made up shit.

nobody is telling him shit, he lives on a farm in ohio the only people he hears from are people he wants to talk to. he's not barking back at shit.

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80. "Where's the part where i said he was making some big sacrifice to the wo..."
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or even implied that

>completely made up shit.

I made an observation that he's being reactive to his criticism on this issue.. which he specifically talks about in the special.. and i do think he's overly locked on it. i'm not saying he's "being silenced" but the notion that no one is telling him shit is false.

  

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102. "well, if he says he's reacting to criticism "
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then I guess you gotta accept that as the actual truth

even though it defies any logic

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52. "but for real, Katt Williams said it best......."
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any comedian that feels he's being silenced just isn't being funny

if it's funny, it will land

He's a grown incel at this point, and he's surrounded himself with other like minds

kweli

kanye

self-professed deep thinkers, that believe they are pushing philosophy, instead of a time capsule of ideas

I admittedly haven't watched it because I refuse to give light to anything transphobic or homophobic etc. in the last few years

i might have to watch it, just to strengthen my anger and disgust

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202. "Imagine living in a world where Katt Williams is the voice of reason...."
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53. "okay.. I watched some of it and I get what people are saying"
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while funny..

dude has either run out of material or he really really really is trying to piss people off because he knows this shit triggers people.

I’m sure people who swore they would stop watching Chapelle will tune in just to see what he said this time

and I can’t front, the Dababy Walmart shooting example is pretty wild.

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54. "I have to assume Dave got tons of love"
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from right-wing folks with this last couple of specials based off his LGBT views. Assuming that's the case, pretty odd to see Chappelle get support from the crowd, but here we are I suppose. Also pretty odd how roughly 2/3rds of this special was devoted to that subject, but I guess that's what been on Dave's mind for these last couple of years for what ever reasons.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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62. "What does RW love feel like? "
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I seriously doubt Dave cares what party affiliation each Netflix click belongs to..



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76. "I won't post the link"
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but I saw on twitter that Jason Whitlock was giving praise to this special. He said it was the bravest comedy routine he's ever seen.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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77. "you see Jason Whitlock tweets on your feed?"
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I deleted my account.

I don't like how someone you don't like will tweet on a topic and that instantly mens you are now in their camp.

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57. "As for the trans jokes, idk how he expects to laugh WITH"
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the trans community when there's such a fundamental disagreement. Anytime you talk to a trans woman, they'll say they've always been women from birth and that their body just didn't match the inside. "Sex is between the legs & gender is between the ears" they say (I think I'm saying that right). So when Dave says he's done telling jokes about the lgbt community until he's sure they're laughing together, that's one of the most obvious reasons yall aren't.

Also, while the story about his trans friend was quite touching, I have to ask myself if HE wonders whether or not his insistence on referring to trans women as men had some impact on her. Granted, there are people like Flame Monroe who don't give a damn what you call them because they identify as both on occasion, but idk much about his friend. I think you have to be careful when you're such a widely admired person, because it's possible that people will deal with less-than-favorable treatment to be close to you. I mean, THE Dave Chappelle let her open for him, so maybe she wasn't going to say "hey Dave, it's really offensive when you call us men" for fear of getting kicked off the show. And that kind of thing will eat at a person, make them depressed... suicidal, even... to think "here I am on the biggest stage I ever imagined, and it's given to me by my famous 'friend' who doesn't fully acknowledge me. Is this the best the world has to offer me?" If he had been able to think of that and address it here in the special, that would've been a real thoughtful and vulnerable moment. He recalls her singing his praise about not punching up or down, referring to him as her friend. I wonder if it's hard to for him to imagine that maybe she was seeing the best in him and loving him the way she wished her would love and see the best in her. Chappelle expressing these kinds of considerations probably would've done a lot of good for a lot of people

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78. "he touched on that too…"
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they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s human. or something like that, lol

that was the lightbulb moment for me….

  

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91. "What's the lightbulb?"
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>they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she
>said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s
>human. or something like that, lol
>
>that was the lightbulb moment for me….

Cool. This is no different from the "I have a black friend, and HE said...." retorts people give when addressing their interactions with the community on the whole.

Because Dave's stance is, essentially, if you were born with a dick, you're still not a woman, not really, because gender is a fact.

And he's just plain fucking wrong. It's a social construct.

And "not forgetting that she's human" is one thing. That's what she's saying to him. That's their dynamic.

Thing is, it's dehumanizing to deny her- and every other member of her community- her gender identity.

The rest of his story about her does nothing to fix that problem.

  

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110. "That's badly misquoted. I think you're talking about the part..."
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where he tells the story of being on stage while she was in the audience. They were having a back-and-forth dialog, and then he tell her that he loves her but doesn't understand what she's saying. She then responds with "I don't need you to understand me. I just need you to believe that I'm having a human experience." Personally, I don't see why that's a mindblowing or light bulb moment. She's a human being. What else would she be having? Furthermore, he went on to say he believed her because she didn't say anything about pronouns or about him being in trouble. If she'd said something about him being in trouble, would he have been to defensive to see her humanity? That might be the part of this whole thing that can be squarely blamed on him. And if pronouns would shake his belief in her humanity, maybe he still isn't totally seeing her. I get that he's saying a person's humanity matters more than anything else, but a person's desires, boundaries, wishes, etc all matter as well. People are mistreated, devalued, and silenced every day by people who understand that they are humans. But I mean... if he helped somebody see that trans humans are human, that's a good thing no matter how troubling it may be that they couldn't see it in the first place. There's just more to respecting a person than understanding that they're human.



>they had a conversation on what she wanted to be called. she
>said, it wasn’t as important as not forgetting she’s
>human. or something like that, lol
>
>that was the lightbulb moment for me….
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112. "damn lol…"
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I don’t view it from that lens. at this point in my life, it’s makes better sense to meet people where their at. it’s not on me to say if it’s right or wrong. that’s how I free myself….

regarding the lightbulb moment…however misquoted, it was the moment that I felt like i understood his point. my assessment of it is in my original reply to this post…


  

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65. "Some of the takes here saying they "got it""
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but at the same time are fighting with their beliefs vs getting the joke or point of the entire special. Interesting to read.

  

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67. "Laughed a few times here and there"
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The story about his friend at the end was actually touching, I get the impression I believe his heart is in the right place but yeesh.

Odd that he KEEPS devoting so much time to LGBTQ people every special and just going out of his way to try purposely make people mad and then complaining about the result

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71. "the closer…"
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he opened with how this will be his last one for a while and ended with someone dear to him being gay. I got vibes that he’s not gonna talk about it anymore…

he caught a lot of slack from the last one so he had to address it.

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72. "RE: the closer…"
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>he opened with how this will be his last one for a while and
>ended with someone dear to him being gay. I got vibes that
>he’s not gonna talk about it anymore…
>
>he caught a lot of slack from the last one so he had to
>addressed it.
>
Exactly.. he even stated this was the last on speaking on it

  

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73. "He has kind of become a one trick pony "
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Is it possible for him to do a routine without the typical “White people do this, Black people do this” *Pause and wait for audience to laugh*

  

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74. "Wasn't funny, but where was the malice in Dave's performance?"
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Dude disagrees with some view points of the lgbtqia community. And? What hatred was he spewing? You can disagree and still not hate a whole community.

- Is he an advocate for laws that target the lgbtqia community making it harder for them to vote in the name of voter fraud? We are literally watching the rights of Black people being stripped away right in front of our eyes and it is just......**shoulder shrugs**

- Is he advocating for pushing out the lgbtqia community via gentrification since the lgbtqia community has a history of being redlined and faced economic and environmental racism making it damn near impossible to obtain generational wealth?

- Has he made light of any deaths of any members of the lgbtqia community? Because from what I've seen, he made a whole special on a death that deeply effected him.

- Has he weaponized the police against any members of the lgbtqia community? Unfortunately, members of the lgbtqia community has weaponized the police against Black folk. Some of your 'Karens' are part of the lgbtqia (.....as well as feminist) community.

No?

Oh wait....his definition of what a man/woman is, is different from theirs? That equals hate and cancellation?

  

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75. "They comin for you"
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>Dude disagrees with some view points of the lgbtqia
>community. And? What hatred was he spewing? You can disagree
>and still not hate a whole community.
>
>- Is he an advocate for laws that target the lgbtqia community
>making it harder for them to vote in the name of voter fraud?
>We are literally watching the rights of Black people being
>stripped away right in front of our eyes and it is
>just......**shoulder shrugs**
>
>- Is he advocating for pushing out the lgbtqia community via
>gentrification since the lgbtqia community has a history of
>being redlined and faced economic and environmental racism
>making it damn near impossible to obtain generational wealth?
>
>- Has he made light of any deaths of any members of the
>lgbtqia community? Because from what I've seen, he made a
>whole special on a death that deeply effected him.
>
>- Has he weaponized the police against any members of the
>lgbtqia community? Unfortunately, members of the lgbtqia
>community has weaponized the police against Black folk. Some
>of your 'Karens' are part of the lgbtqia (.....as well as
>feminist) community.
>
>No?
>
>Oh wait....his definition of what a man/woman is, is different
>from theirs? That equals hate and cancellation?

  

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90. "lmao"
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very true but it's aight though.

We should be able to have conversations of opposing view points without skipping steps and going straight to phobia/Nazi-ism/whatever.

Yes Dave is poking the bear...a lot....and I see it for what it is. And it is working.

People reacting without watching the special. People not even addressing what Dave was trying to say or offering any opposing viewpoints. They can't even sum up his special. just cherry picking.

It is all name calling and insults.

If you can be physiologically Caucasian, Asian, African or even deaf/blind....then why can't you physiologically be male or female?

  

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109. "the world gives trans people enough hell, they're seeking acceptance"
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>If you can be physiologically Caucasian, Asian, African or
>even deaf/blind....then why can't you physiologically be male
>or female?

let's say Dave isnt transphobic, there's no denying he's insensitive

  

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79. "not to invalidate your take, but your'e counter arguing non-arguments"
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I don't recall anyone here saying that he hates the LGBTQ community. it's a non issue in this discussion.

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81. "Soooo.....what's the problem?"
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It is not funny......and? Why the backlash and why is this thread so deep?

  

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83. "Your inability to read and repsond to the actual things people are actua..."
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saying.

That's a good place to start.

  

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85. "RE: Your inability to take your own advice would be a good place to star..."
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84 replies in a thread....obviously it is more than Dave not being funny. Why such a strong response to an unfunny comedian who disagrees with some aspects of the lgbtqia?

  

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87. "See post 83. I did respond to what you actually said. "
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You just ranted against a host of imagined objections that exist largely in your head.

Now you're mystified as to what the actual issue is.

So no, you're not even trying to listen to the objections people actually have, even as you made a long, impassioned argument against objections that aren't being raised.

Do you hear yourself?

  

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97. "RE: See Netflix. Did you even watch the special?"
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If you did, then you would've realized I made the points he made in the special. And what I am saying is no one is really addressing the full scope of what he said. Just cherry picking and reacting. Some of his arguments are based in logic; he is not the monster that the media like to paint Black men. He may be wrong, but he is not a monster; there's a difference.
See.....'yourself' and think for a change and stop reacting.

  

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82. "This is on point."
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You really showed those strawmen who's boss.


  

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84. "I'm a huge fan and I honestly thought this was one of his weakest shows...."
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but I also understand in today's PC society how hard comedy is.

Kevin Hart tries to be as PG as any top comic and people love to scream about how "not funny" he is and they dug up 10 year-old tweets to try to sink him.

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86. "Dave was like Fuck It on some George Karlin shit"
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Some of it made me cringe, some I agreed with and I laughed a few.


Where was the lie though?

www.instagram.com/schemeofthings

  

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88. "ironically george carlin would have been against what dave has been doin..."
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and would have clearly considered it punching down.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8yV8xUorQ8

which is why its funny to see people always prop carlin up as the patron saint of the anti cancel culture movement (not you just people in general). like did anyone actually go look at his own words? its like when conservatives use their bastardized version of mlk to criticize modern day protests for racial/economic equality.

its pretty interesting that daves act has essentially evolved from freeform/abstract to just a more high brow version of what andrew dice clay was doing in the 90s (what carlin was speaking on).

  

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89. "Eddie is my comedy GOAT and he would be crucified today for the shit..."
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he was saying in the 80's, he saw it coming and tried to steer into the PG lane and got crucified for that.

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92. "Same. Thing is, Eddie has denounced that shit"
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103. "does that matter? Hart denounced his shit and they still tried to cancel..."
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him...

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105. "It does to me. "
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There's always some "they" trying to do xyz.

Far as I can tell, Kevin Hart is doing just fine.

  

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111. "he is but the Oscar thing was huge..."
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>Far as I can tell, Kevin Hart is doing just fine.

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95. "i mean if we're gonna cherrypick Carlin"
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how would any of this go over now?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMiSsxpP0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2NjUKOw1Qg

not to say his views on anything can't change but that includes the whole "Carlin shuts down the cancel culture whiners" thing.
there's a lottt of footage of him going on about PC stuff, language policing and pretty much any kind of group think

I don't think we have any idea what his reaction to Dave would be

  

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125. "yup.. Carlin is the past person anyone should us against Dave"
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dude has way too much material that goes against what progressives champion in 2021

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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164. "You misundertand Carlin"
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Carlin is talking about LANGUAGE.

>how would any of this go over now?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EMiSsxpP0E
Here he's talking about LANGUAGE. He never says "cripples seem weird to me" and he didn't spend segments on 5 different show on cripples, or lookism, or saying that "slow" children are weird.

He was MUCH kinder than Dave is being.


Remember there are 3 version of older Carlin on stage.
1)George Carlin - The real man - who was a little cranky about language, but over-all warm.
2)"George Carlin" - The crank character who ranted and was a little meaner.
3)Depressed George Carlin - After his wife died Georg 1 and 2 combined, with #2 taking over the dominant personality and jettisoning the warmth almost entirely.

For me Carlin lost a BIG STEP and a lot of his humanity after his wife died, and by the mid 2000s he was PURE nihilist on stage.

But in ALL of it I didn't see him as targeting a group as relentless as Dave has --especially one that was not a the status quo/in charge.



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173. "Nope"
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I asked how would this go over today. You think people would stop and try to understand his larger point about language?

Especially if he's leading with phrases like "the PC liberal language police"... etc.. Or talking about the dangers of what happens when well intended liberals get together with an agenda

How about his n-bomb bit. Would his overall point give him a pass to say it in 2021?

I never compared Carlin talking about Disabled people to Dave talking about Trans people. You're responding to something I didn't say

though it probably wouldn't matter. I'm not sure why his clip on punching down is treated as gospel on twitter, vs so many things he's said that MOST people on either side wouldn't differentiate from something Jordan Peterson would say

  

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107. "I don’t see how the clip applies"
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Who is the underdog, the LGBTQ community? In Hollywood?

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93. "Critics call to cancel Dave Chappelle, Netflix for ‘ridiculing trans p..."
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https://nypost.com/2021/10/07/critics-blast-dave-chappelle-netflix-for-ridiculing-trans-people/?utm_medium=browser_notifications&utm_source=pushly&utm_campaign=1460827&fbclid=IwAR3tlXfK8Dypd02qMJAYkeDcuJ8-HY9QGkv7tlLEAPXhKrxKztmE1VemgoI

Cancel culture is threatening to shut down Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer.”

The always outspoken standup comic is pushing the public’s buttons again — and a swelling wave of culture critics and activist organizations are calling for his brand-new Netflix special to be yanked from the streaming giant’s catalog.

The special — the sixth and final in the Emmy winner’s big-bucks deal with Netflix — premiered Tuesday, and immediately stoked the flames of controversy with incendiary jokes about transgender women.

Chappelle, 48, is also being accused of defending what many perceived to be problematic comments by rapper DaBaby and “Harry Potter” author J.K. Rowling, as well as deflecting criticism he faced for cracking wise about the trans community in previous specials “Equanimity” and “Sticks & Stones.”

In “The Closer,” Chappelle declares that he’s joining Rowling in “Team TERF!” (the acronym for trans-exclusionary radical feminist), and conflated rapper DaBaby’s homophobic statements at a show over the summer with systemic racism.

Dave Chappelle's "The Closer” premiered Tuesday on Netflix. It’s his final standup special for the streaming network.
Dave Chappelle’s “The Closer” premiered Tuesday on Netflix. When confronted by paparazzi asking for comment about backlash, he ignored them, muttering: “Dumb-ass questions.”
Mathieu Bitton
“In our country, you can shoot and kill a — but you better not hurt a gay person’s feelings,” Chappelle says onstage, referencing a 2018 shooting incident involving the rapper at a Walmart in North Carolina. The 19-year-old victim later died.

The brewing backlash is ample — but perhaps most shocking is the reaction from one of Netflix’s own: Jaclyn Moore, executive producer and showrunner of the streaming giant’s “Dear White People.”

Moore bluntly declared her self “done” with Netflix.


“I love so many of the people I’ve worked with at Netflix,” she shared on Twitter after detailing her own transition in a passionate post. “Brilliant people and executives who have been collaborative and fought for important art,” Moore continued. “ I will not work with them as long as they continue to put out and profit from blatantly and dangerously transphobic content.”

“Chappelle’s brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.”
GLAAD, in a statement about “The Closer”
Meanwhile, the National Black Justice Coalition, a civil rights advocacy group focused on the LGBTQ+ community, goes so far as to prod Netflix to pull “The Closer” from its menu.

“With 2021 on track to be the deadliest year on record for transgender people in the United States — the majority of whom are Black transgender people — Netflix should know better,” NBJC executive director David Johns said in a statement to Deadline. “Perpetuating transphobia perpetuates violence. Netflix should immediately pull ‘The Closer’ from its platform and directly apologize to the transgender community.”

LGBTQ+ advocacy leaders at GLAAD also called out the acclaimed comic’s pattern of degrading jokes, declaring: “Chappelle’s brand has become synonymous with ridiculing trans people and other marginalized communities.”


“Oh, I’m jealous. I’m not the only black person that feels this way. We look at the gay community, we go, ‘Goddamn it — look at how well that movement is going! Look at how well you are doing.’ And we’ve been trapped in this predicament for hundreds of years. How the f–k are you making that kind of progress?”

However, Chappelle goes on to claim there’s a big difference between the “old-school gangsta gays” who fought for change during the Stonewall era.

“I’m not that fond of these newer gays. Too sensitive. Too brittle. Those aren’t the gays I grew up with … They fought for their freedom. I respect that s–t.”

  

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94. "he saw it coming thus the "retirement" announcement, I think Netflix..."
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paid him upfront so his pockets straight regardless

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96. "Stop punching down on my people"
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Dude is dope.
Nice usage of storytelling to address the race/class entitlements in the white LBGTQ movement

  

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98. "geez!"
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How did people not get this when watching the special? I didn't think he was funny but I thought he did a great job expressing his point of view as well as pointing out the hypocrisy of a movement that is doing a lot of the cancelling.
It's a great opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and clarity but way too many are in their feelings and over reacting.

  

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99. "He hangs out with alt-right wingers and billionaires...."
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>How did people not get this when watching the special? I
>didn't think he was funny but I thought he did a great job
>expressing his point of view as well as pointing out the
>hypocrisy of a movement that is doing a lot of the
>cancelling.
>It's a great opportunity for dialogue, discussion, and clarity
>but way too many are in their feelings and over reacting.

...But the real powerful group he's taking on are LGBTQ??

Delusional.

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100. "One of the major funders of the US trans activist community"
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is a right wing, trans, billionaire, lol (Jennifer Pritzker, born James Nicholas Pritzker)
I don't know how or why people keep assuming LBGTQ is totally leftist.
The white LBGTQ community is pretty conservative, cuz white.
And compared to my people?
yeah they are waaaaaay more powerful, cuz white.

  

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113. "If any of us say this in public, WE CANCELED"
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>is a right wing, trans, billionaire, lol (Jennifer Pritzker,
>born James Nicholas Pritzker)
>I don't know how or why people keep assuming LBGTQ is totally
>leftist.
>The white LBGTQ community is pretty conservative, cuz white.
>And compared to my people?
>yeah they are waaaaaay more powerful, cuz white.
>

They going to human resources with phantom complaints and screenshots going on campaigns against you. By the way, none of this excessive backlash canceling applies to other communities. There's a whole discussion we could have on this about targeting, bullying, and buck breaking...

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

"root for everybody black haters say that's crazy, wow..."

  

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252. "man listen"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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106. "Yeah....Talib, Yasiin, Black Thought, and Common fit nicely "
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in that category. Dave is the type that hangs with everyone. Who knows why? Who cares?

So you think Dave is trending, and this post is mad deep, because of how funny his Netflix special is? Or is it because he brought up something those, in a particular community, may not like?

Where ever there is white people there is entitlement and privilege. Doesn't matter whether left or right wing. The lgbtqia pretends to be all inclusive. But the same way white feminists could give a damn about Black women, it is the same for that community as well....so enough of the bullshit.



  

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116. "LOL name them"
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119. "Picture"
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https://res.cloudinary.com/culturemap-com/image/upload/ar_4:3,c_fill,g_faces:center,w_980/v1611328676/photos/318071_original.png

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121. "LOL oh are we in a Mean Girls mentality?"
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This is your definition of all? A picture backstage sums up his group of friends or his inner circle?

Kweli and Segura had a great discussion about this very subject on his last ep.

But okay.

  

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123. "Where does the word "all" appear in his post?"
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"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

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124. "My bad, I thought that said "all""
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Argument still applies though. Why does a backstage photo sum up his own belief system? This is on some high school Mean Girls mentality shit and it's weird.

  

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101. "Black liberals exist to scold Black folks that don't parrot white people"
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120. "They will push Black women and children out the way "
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to shield those folks.. lol.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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122. "it never fails, and once you see the pattern, you can't unsee it."
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153. "do Kevin Hart and Katt Williams parrot white people?"
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298. "yep"
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104. "Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman Fr..."
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/dave-chappelle-backed-by-family-of-late-transgender-comedian-daphne-dorman-from-the-closer

Dave Chappelle Backed by Family of Late Transgender Comedian Daphne Dorman From ‘The Closer'


The family of Daphne Dorman, the late transgender comedian who Dave Chappelle highlights in his new Netflix special “The Closer,” say he’s an LGBTQ ally and meant the world to her.
Cheyenne Roundtree
Entertainment Reporter
Updated Oct. 07, 2021 1:45PM ET / Published Oct. 06, 2021 10:46PM ET


It didn’t take long for Dave Chappelle’s sixth Netflix stand-up special The Closer, which dropped early Tuesday morning, to have critics and some fans shaking their heads by the afternoon.

The 48-year-old was quickly taken to task by the LGBTQ community for wading into the controversy surrounding rapper DaBaby, who inexplicably spewed homophobic comments during his performance at Miami’s Rolling Loud festival over the summer.

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Chappelle also took a stand for Harry Potter author turned anti-trans activist J.K. Rowling. “Effectively, she said gender was a fact, the trans community got mad as fuck, they started calling her a TERF,” he said, adding, “I’m Team TERF. I agree. I agree, man. Gender is a fact.”

And, as he began to close the show out, Chappelle launched into a story about his friend and fellow comedian, Daphne Dorman—a transgender woman he’d struck up a friendship with after bonding over their shared humor and their ability to have an open conversation about identity.

He had previously referred to their friendship in his 2019 Netflix special Sticks & Stones, and credited Dorman for defending him against similar admonishment after some of his jokes in the set were labeled transphobic.

The crowd let out a slight gasp when Chappelle stated that Dorman had taken her own life in October 2019, a few weeks after sticking up for him online. “I don’t know what the trans community did for her,” Chappelle said, “but I don’t care, because I feel like she wasn’t their tribe. She was mine. She was a comedian in her soul.”


Chappelle finished the show by declaring he'd be hitting pause on jokes about the LGBTQ community until he and the LGBTQ community could both be laughing together again. “I’m telling you, it’s done. I’m done talking about it,” he concluded. “All I ask of your community, with all humility: Will you please stop punching down on my people?”

And while some voiced concerns that Chappelle may be using his relationship as a cheap get-out-of-jail-free card to validate his earlier line of commentary, Dorman’s family believes there should be no offense taken, for they certainly aren’t.

Two of Dorman’s sisters told The Daily Beast they were outraged at the suggestion that Chappelle’s set was transphobic or derogatory toward the LGBTQ community, saying they wanted to make clear they supported the comedian.

“Daphne was in awe of Dave’s graciousness,” Dorman’s sister Becky wrote in a text. “She did not find his jokes rude, crude, off-coloring, off-putting, anything. She thought his jokes were funny. Daphne understood humor and comedy—she was not offended. Why would her family be offended?”

“Dave loved my sister and is an LGBTQ ally,” Dorman’s younger sister Brandy added in a text message. “His entire set was begging to end this very situation.”

Dave loved my sister and is an LGBTQ ally. His entire set was begging to end this very situation.
“At this point I feel like he poured his heart out in that special and no one noticed,” Brandy wrote in a separate Facebook post. “What he’s saying to the LGBTQ family is, ‘I see you. Do you see me? I’m mourning my friend in the best way I know how. Can you see me? Can you allow me that?’... This was a call to come together, that two oppressed factions of our nation put down their keyboards and make peace. How sad that this message was lost in translation.”

Dorman, a San Francisco-based activist, software engineer, and aspiring actress, had met Chappelle on the comedy circuit; he recalled in a “hidden extra” of Sticks & Stones that Dorman had been “laughing the hardest” at some of his jokes that many deemed transphobic.

The two developed a friendship, with Chappelle offering to give Dorman pointers as she launched her stand-up career, even inviting her to open a show for him while he was in San Francisco.

Thrilled by the shoutout in Sticks & Stones, Dorman confirmed in an Instagram post that she was the woman Chappelle was talking about, happily freaking out that her photo appeared after former President Barack Obama’s photo.


But as the backlash against Chappelle grew, Dorman felt moved to speak out. “​​Punching down requires you to consider yourself superior to another group. He doesn’t consider himself better than me in any way. He isn’t punching up or punching down. He’s punching lines. That’s his job and he’s a master of his craft,” she wrote, a line Chappelle repeated in The Closer.

Dorman took her own life on Oct. 11, 2019 at the age of 44, and The Closer was released a few days shy of the second anniversary of her passing. “To those of you who are mad at me: please forgive me,” she had written in a final Facebook post. “To those of you who wonder if you failed me: you didn’t. To those of you feel like I failed you: I did and I’m sorry and I hope you’ll remember me in better times and better light.”

Becky wanted to make clear that her family does not blame Dorman’s death on Chappelle. “After she committed suicide, all I saw all over social media was Dave Chappelle-bashing,” she said. “I commented on so many posts, which is something I do not do. I commented to defend Dave.

“No one knows what life was like for my siblings and I,” she added. “We are products of how we were brought . Dave was the biggest bright spot for Daphne; she was enamored for the first time. Blaming Dave is beyond the wrong thing to do. He helped her and let her be comfortable while talking with him. She had many demons; Dave Chappelle was NOT one of them.”

Becky confirmed that over the summer, Chappelle had finalized setting up a college fund for Dorman’s young daughter, adding that she had planned to watch the special later that night. “I saw his first special and was thrilled for my sister and even more so after we got to talk about together,” she wrote.

“The man loved my sister and felt empathy towards her human experience and, yes, he makes terrible jokes that are also funny,” Brandy added in her Facebook post. “News flash, our whole family does that. Our funerals are laughter through tears, we mourn by remembering the times we laughed together, and yes, some inappropriate humor, too... As often as Dave stands up for Daphne, we will be there for Dave. This man is our tribe, and we mourn alongside him.”


  

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108. "SPACE JEWS"
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I knew they were coming for him on that alone 🤣

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118. "Come on now, Mel Brooks did that 40 years ago"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAZhtT-dUyo

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147. "And? Shit was still funny and you can’t tell them shit"
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I’m glad he said it

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114. "I loved it."
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126. "I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything"
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Growing up in a fairly conservative environment and being the "only" or "first" Black everything, LGBTQ was not something being championed, and I did encounter a handful of openly gay people, though none during my K-12 years, which, wrapping in the mid 90s was a torrent of pejoratives and slurs that were rarely delivered with literal intent. Not as if that shit made it ANY more comfortable for any students TO come out.

After 4 years at a liberal arts institution, seeing LGBTQ and POC as in alliance became normalized. So while white folks have long lacked the power to truly disappoint me (can only pleasantly surprise me), it was interesting being at a 4th of July party for a gay co-worker where only three women (my future wife included) were present and presumably every other of the 40 something men, except one other, was gay. Though I hadn't been in such a space since college, the only memorable takeaway from that evening was the white judge (I'm not sure whether he had come out or was closeted) who was unapologetically Islamophobic. The thought of him making decisions affecting lives daily with that mindset was troubling, to put it mildly. This was nearly 20 years ago.

Every topic he discussed, to me, extracted or underscored whiteness. Having dealt with anti-Blackness in subtle, overt, benign, or toxic forms for most of my life, the whiteness examination resonates strongly. That folks are walking past that, when so many of his previous bits did not uplift or celebrate folks, but instead made a point is interesting. I also find it telling that his use of "bitch" has never impacted folks' consumption of his context, despite the many graphic and disrespectful ways he's spoken about women in his comedy.

What I find most singular about Dave is that he did the unthinkable in walking away from that amount of money, came back, and actually surpassed his previously reached apex. I am sure there is a part of him that has never fully recovered from the brutality of the industry, who had influence/who was protected or favored and it seems that more than anything, THAT is what he takes personal.

  

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127. "RE: I saw it as a critique of whiteness, more than anything"
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>Growing up in a fairly conservative environment and being the
>"only" or "first" Black everything, LGBTQ was not something
>being championed, and I did encounter a handful of openly gay
>people, though none during my K-12 years, which, wrapping in
>the mid 90s was a torrent of pejoratives and slurs that were
>rarely delivered with literal intent. Not as if that shit
>made it ANY more comfortable for any students TO come out.
>
>After 4 years at a liberal arts institution, seeing LGBTQ and
>POC as in alliance became normalized. So while white folks
>have long lacked the power to truly disappoint me (can only
>pleasantly surprise me), it was interesting being at a 4th of
>July party for a gay co-worker where only three women (my
>future wife included) were present and presumably every other
>of the 40 something men, except one other, was gay. Though I
>hadn't been in such a space since college, the only memorable
>takeaway from that evening was the white judge (I'm not sure
>whether he had come out or was closeted) who was
>unapologetically Islamophobic. The thought of him making
>decisions affecting lives daily with that mindset was
>troubling, to put it mildly. This was nearly 20 years ago.
>
>Every topic he discussed, to me, extracted or underscored
>whiteness. Having dealt with anti-Blackness in subtle, overt,
>benign, or toxic forms for most of my life, the whiteness
>examination resonates strongly. That folks are walking past
>that, when so many of his previous bits did not uplift or
>celebrate folks, but instead made a point is interesting. I
>also find it telling that his use of "bitch" has never
>impacted folks' consumption of his context, despite the many
>graphic and disrespectful ways he's spoken about women in his
>comedy.
>
>What I find most singular about Dave is that he did the
>unthinkable in walking away from that amount of money, came
>back, and actually surpassed his previously reached apex. I
>am sure there is a part of him that has never fully recovered
>from the brutality of the industry, who had influence/who was
>protected or favored and it seems that more than anything,
>THAT is what he takes personal.

I was wondering about the 'bitch' and 'nigger-nigga' being said all throughout.

  

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128. "You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…"
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… Dave’s blind spots (to use an overly generous term) don’t just include the LGBTQIA community, but women as well.

But hatred of women is not a thing that people really care about so…

That said, I’m a huge Dave Chappelle fan. He is, quite clearly, a genius. That is why his blind spots are more glaring for me. More egregious. I wanna say, “you’re better/smarter than this, Dave.”

But alas, he ain’t.

  

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131. "RE: You raise a point here that I’ve talked about for years…"
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>… Dave’s blind spots (to use an overly generous term)
>don’t just include the LGBTQIA community, but women as well.
>
>
>But hatred of women is not a thing that people really care
>about so…
>
>That said, I’m a huge Dave Chappelle fan. He is, quite
>clearly, a genius. That is why his blind spots are more
>glaring for me. More egregious. I wanna say, “you’re
>better/smarter than this, Dave.”
>
>But alas, he ain’t.

"LBGTQIA" just became a thing a few years ago, the average person of any age today probably couldn't tell what all the letters stand for off the top of their head, its it really that hard to believe that someone of Dave's generation has a "blind spot" there?

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149. "His generation? "
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He is but a few years older than me. So yes… I expect him to be wise enough to be better. And really… what the letters mean is hardly the point and you know it.

But more importantly, it’s not that I don’t expect him, or anyone, to have blind spots. It’s that his level of genius — for me — means that I expect him to be better about acknowledging and navigating those blind spots without shitting on people. Maybe an unfair expectation, but it is how I feel.

I’m disappointed that he refuses to acknowledge them, and even more disappointed that he’s throwing his toys at the expense of these communities.

  

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150. "he's an almost 50 y/o black man, I know on super-woke OKP everyone tries..."
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to pretend they're super enlightened and evolved on every issue but we all know in the real world that's not the case...

>He is but a few years older than me. So yes… I expect him
>to be wise enough to be better. And really… what the letters
>mean is hardly the point and you know it.
>
>But more importantly, it’s not that I don’t expect him, or
>anyone, to have blind spots. It’s that his level of genius
>— for me — means that I expect him to be better about
>acknowledging and navigating those blind spots without
>shitting on people. Maybe an unfair expectation, but it is how
>I feel.
>
>I’m disappointed that he refuses to acknowledge them, and
>even more disappointed that he’s throwing his toys at the
>expense of these communities.

If you grew up with a father, grandfathers or uncles in your life different opinions and stubbornness or "blind spots" about certain issues that don't meet your expectations shouldn't really be that disappointing to you if you're realistic IRL. Maybe this is a referendum on your own feelings.

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156. "Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do better"
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saying "but look at how men his age think" speaks to your lowered expectations

If he could make 8:46, he could use the same depth and sensitivity towards others

  

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161. "RE: Dave Chappelle has resources and an arguable responsibility to do be..."
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>saying "but look at how men his age think" speaks to your
>lowered expectations
>
>If he could make 8:46, he could use the same depth and
>sensitivity towards others

8:46 was a far more relatable topic

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162. "What in the entire fuck?"
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>8:46 was a far more relatable topic


  

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167. "is that not true?"
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>>8:46 was a far more relatable topic

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159. "What are you even talking about?"
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I very clearly stated that I understand and expect people to have blind spots. But I expect Dave to be better and smarter about acknowledging and navigating his. Unfair expectation? Maybe. But he’s smart enough to know and do better. And frankly, he understands the power he wields… and the implications of that power… that’s what led him to walk away from The Chappelle Show. So I absolutely expect him to — at minimum — be more careful with his platform. Instead, like a petulant child, he’s just choosing not to. Worse? He’s doubling down just because he can.

Trash behavior.

I’ll also say… that while the LGBTQIA community’s voice is as loud as it is is because of white people… we too often forget that there are MANY people who look like us that are a part of that community and they are affected (more acutely) when the Dave’s of the world use their platform to be shitty. While he’s super fucking busy saying “fuck you” to white people who dislike his posture around the LGBTQIA community (which, if I’ve not been clear, is fucking terrible), he’s putting Black people on the line.

Trash behavior.

  

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129. "I like Dave, think he's a Comedic Genius but equating"
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the LGBT community and their criticisms of things he's said about them with Whiteness and white supremecy comes across as him to trying to shift the framing to make him appear as the underdog speaking up to some all powerful, dominant group instead of a Millionaire Cisgendered-Heterosexual Male being called out by a community that's faces leget issues because they don't fall under those prementioned categories

This also ignores the Non-White people in that community who aren't insulated by race/financial status who are more likely to be in poverty or targeted by violence due to their appearance/gender identity/sexuality.

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130. "It's 100% a case of they white and they said so"
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>
>This also ignores the Non-White people in that community who
>aren't insulated by race/financial status who are more likely
>to be in poverty or targeted by violence due to their
>appearance/gender identity/sexuality.
>

There's a reason Kevin Hart got more backlash than Sarah Silverman and Amy Schumer. There's a reason DaBaby is canceled whereas the white artists aren't. If we being honest THEY don't care about the people you mentioned otherwise Ed Buck gets the same treatment Kevin Hart received.

No empathy for white misery (c) BDot

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132. "Did a group of Black people actually make an issue of the shit"
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that happened with Sarah Silverman or Amy Schumer?

I haven't seen either one of those 2 recently so maybe they did I dunno, Dave Chappelle has way more eyes on him than those 2 combined

As of now nothing has really "happened" to him other than people voicing disagreement with something he said, a Gay rights group asked Netflix to remove the special but there's a snowsball's chance in hell of them actually taking it down.



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135. "show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby did"
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There's a reason DaBaby is canceled
>whereas the white artists aren't.

and even if this is the case (it isnt), homophobia isnt okay regardless of your fake double standard

  

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145. "RE: show me a white artist who's been dumb enough to say what Da Baby di..."
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on MTV back in the day when it happened, although that was back in the 80s so he didn't get "Cancelled" until Grunge Rock killed all the Hair Metal stars

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133. "Well, this post is a mess, but I watched it."
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IMHO, it's biggest "problem" that it isn't particularly funny. Outside of the MLK impressions, I barely chuckled.

Content-wise, there's a lot to unpack, but I think he's making a lot his arguments on bad faith. Honestly, it's a weird choice to make the subtext of the whole special about what happened to Da Baby. I wonder if he'd recording this a few weeks earlier or later if his whole set would have been completely different.

Yes, much of it is him trying to make points about intersectionality. I get that, but a lot of the times he comes off like Bill Maher after UC Berkeley students circulated a petition to ban him from campus. Most of the time he sounds mad that he can't tell jokes the way he used to/wants to. And I'm sorry, "killing someone's career" isn't at all like actually killing someone. Especially since getting "cancelled" his yet to actually end anyone's career as of yet.

I'd say the thing that I found the most problematic (along with his overall obsession with "LGBTQ people are being mean to me!") is that his main argument seems to be the women/LGBTQ aren't protesting or conducting themselves the way he wants them to or would like them to. And that's really arguing in bad faith. Especially the whole "I made a sacrifice and you didn't" stance.

And, yeah, I found the story at the end a bit disingenuous. As someone said above, it did come off as "Some of my best friends are Trans!" Then him sideways blaming the Trans community for her death was self-serving as well, on some, "Well, she didn't kill herself until she publicly defended me and the Trans community dragged on Twitter. So, you know..."

I don't know how long it'll be before he does another one of these. I don't think just "moving on" is going to be particularly. But I really hope when he comes back, it isn't more of, "These people are picking on me and it isn't fair." I don't need to hear another Eminem album.

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137. "This thread sums him (and alot of y'all) up perfectly."
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I already know most of y'all kneejerks won't read it or engage with the actual assertions in it; I'm posting it for okp posterity. Hopefully this entire post gets archived.

https://twitter.com/RaquelWillis_/status/1446516461091135496

"Dave Chappelle represents a segment of society (along with white supremacists, hoteps, incels, and others) that is anxious about the waning power of cisheteronormativity and the patriarchy.

People like him know that their outdated, limited view of the world is obsolete, and instead of transforming in the name of empathy and humility, they lean into toxicity.

Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted status quo.

It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.

With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating “the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even killing us.

Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti -LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white colonial power structure.

Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and transness as white inventions because much of the most regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical politicians.

Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms too.

Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle. The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on masculinity are losing their footing.

What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the gatekeepers of Black culture.

And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal “leadership?”

They feel owed the power that white cishet men have historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time they’re held accountable for their transphobia and queerphobia.

Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about “hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.

I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their identity means to them. Who are you without being the “head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the collaborative effort it truly is?

Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?

It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy, but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,” it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock tactic.

Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit. And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a meaningful way.

Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that to justify his hate.

You’re telling us that a community that has been so intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a society where trans folks continue to face systemic discrimination?

And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his “trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will be harassed and experience violence because he told millions of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?

Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any different than white people using their token Black friends as ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans” harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black” crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.

Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter), but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise. It’s all nonsensical.

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138. "cisheteronormativity"
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>I already know most of y'all kneejerks won't read it or
>engage with the actual assertions in it; I'm posting it for
>okp posterity. Hopefully this entire post gets archived.
>
>https://twitter.com/RaquelWillis_/status/1446516461091135496
>
>"Dave Chappelle represents a segment of society (along with
>white supremacists, hoteps, incels, and others) that is
>anxious about the waning power of cisheteronormativity and the
>patriarchy.
>
>People like him know that their outdated, limited view of the
>world is obsolete, and instead of transforming in the name of
>empathy and humility, they lean into toxicity.
>
>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.
>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.
>
>Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just
>dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack
>to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti
>-LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white
>colonial power structure.
>
>Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and
>transness as white inventions because much of the most
>regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been
>exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical
>politicians.
>
>Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his
>gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are
>scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context
>where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms
>too.
>
>Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle.
>The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are
>really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on
>masculinity are losing their footing.
>
>What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the
>fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They
>take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the
>gatekeepers of Black culture.
>
>And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to
>contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more
>charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal
>“leadership?”
>
>They feel owed the power that white cishet men have
>historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think
>we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time
>they’re held accountable for their transphobia and
>queerphobia.
>
>Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t
>entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about
>“hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way
>of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is
>rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.
>
>I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their
>identity means to them. Who are you without being the
>“head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if
>you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the
>collaborative effort it truly is?
>
>Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity
>and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences
>of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?
>
>It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once
>someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy,
>but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,”
>it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock
>tactic.
>
>Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else
>to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit.
>And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a
>skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a
>meaningful way.
>
>Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his
>special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously
>went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that
>to justify his hate.
>
>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?
>
>And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his
>“trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will
>be harassed and experience violence because he told millions
>of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?
>
>Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any
>different than white people using their token Black friends as
>ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans”
>harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black”
>crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.
>
>Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is
>disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a
>real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter),
>but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise.
>It’s all nonsensical.
>
>d
>
>"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of
>people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing
>at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

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144. "Some good points and some really bad ones too."
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There are some good points in here tho...


>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.
>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.
>
>Let’s be clear: Homophobia and transphobia aren’t just
>dynamics that exist in the Black community. It’s antiBlack
>to assert that narrative, especially when most of the anti
>-LGBTQ+ policies pushed around the world come from a white
>colonial power structure.
>
>Interestingly, many Black folks think of queerness and
>transness as white inventions because much of the most
>regressive LGBTQ+ policies in other countries have been
>exported and stoked by white conservative and evangelical
>politicians.




I actually don't disagree with any of that. Even the part about Chappelle "underscoring the bigoted status quo." That's a fair accusation. But she starts trying to be a psychologist... one who comes across very unaware of the Black community's historical trajectory, especially Black men.




>Chappelle could have laid bare his insecurities with his
>gender and sexuality. We know so many Black cishet men are
>scrambling to understand their place in a cultural context
>where queer and trans people have microphones and platforms
>too.
>
>Take, for instance, the DaBaby, Boosie, and Lil Nas X debacle.
>The tirades against queer and trans people being visible are
>really about their fear that their toxic and limited views on
>masculinity are losing their footing.
>
>What does it mean for Black cishet rappers to contend with the
>fact that Lil Nas X has transcended beyond their success? They
>take it as an insult to their “rightful” place as the
>gatekeepers of Black culture.
>
>And what does it mean for Black cishet men, writ-large, to
>contend with Black women, Black LGBTQ+ folks, and more
>charting their destinies independent of their patriarchal
>“leadership?”
>
>They feel owed the power that white cishet men have
>historically had, and they haven’t gotten it. They think
>we’ve jumped a few steps in the March toward equity any time
>they’re held accountable for their transphobia and
>queerphobia.


None of that is verifiable. It's nothing more than a narrative created to explain what she's seeing. It's not informed by history or stats.
Black men writ-large have never sought to be white men or to have the power that they have. These are the kinds of narratives created when no one actually cares what Black men have to say, never finds it odd that institutions reject our studies of ourselves, and it's considered taboo to humanize our experience of white patriarchy, which disproportionately targets us for death and torture.




>Yes, transphobia and queerphobia are about fear. I don’t
>entirely buy the reframing of these concepts as solely about
>“hate for LGBTQ+ people.” They are fearful of losing a way
>of life, a claim to power, and a claim to an identity that is
>rooted in dominating “lesser” groups.
>
>I challenge Black cishet men to interrogate what their
>identity means to them. Who are you without being the
>“head” of the household/tribe/culture? Who could you be if
>you saw Black community-building and cultural-building as the
>collaborative effort it truly is?



Does she realize how many of us are raised by single mothers and exist in heavily matriarchal communities. How many of us grow up having never seen a Black man even stand up to a Black woman in our personal lives? How many of us know all the women in our lineage while the men are spoken about in passing or as utilities... or just negatively overall? In other words, the vast majority of Black men ALREADY know who we are without being the "head". It's the position our community is in now and has been in for about 40 or 50 yrs at least.



>Who could you be if you took on expanding Black masculinity
>and manhood without having to repress other Black experiences
>of the feminine, gender nonconforming, queer variety?
>
>It’s sad to witness Chappelle’s decline. He was once
>someone we could count on to punch up against white supremacy,
>but in a time where damn near everyone is “woke on race,”
>it seems punching down on the trans community is his shock
>tactic.



People aren't woke on race. People have some awareness but are mostly wildly uninformed historically and statistically. Unfortunately, she's proving that point.



>Chappelle is now a wealthy cishet Black man with little else
>to offer to his audiences, but low-hanging uninformed fruit.
>And cishet folks who claim the LGBTQ+ community have to thin a
>skin also lack the range to confront their own prejudices in a
>meaningful way.



I don't see any lies there. The tone of the piece just seems to be using "cishet Black man" with some suggestion that cishet Black men operate with some disproportionate privilege with regard to the rest of the Black community, which has been thoroughly debunked at this point.



>Lastly, it’s particularly sinister for Chappelle to wrap his
>special up with a narrative that the trans community viciously
>went after Daphne Dorman. I don’t buy it. He’s using that
>to justify his hate.




Can't be mad at her for saying that. I'd say with him it's more an unwillingness to accept the concept of people being born into the wrong body as legit, but I understand why she says he's using Daphne's story to justify it.




>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?




Idk why she finds that impossible to believe. Oppressed communities attack each other all the time due to differing beliefs on how their oppression should be handled.



>And for all the folks caping for Dave’s narrative about his
>“trans friend,” do you consider the trans people who will
>be harassed and experience violence because he told millions
>of people to not take our experiences and voices seriously?



That's a bit hyperbolic. He told some jokes that were in bad taste, yet he also told a story of hanging out with this person, and inviting her on his show... becoming her friend. Her family loves Dave, etc. Idk if that's "telling millions of people to not take their experiences and voices seriously", especially when he literally says he believed her when she said she was having a human experience. Granted, I have a more nuanced view of that elsewhere in the post, and while I don't necessarily feel it's enough, I don't think he's calling for or encouraging violence against trans people. If anything, he encouraged HIS crowd to show more understanding to trans people than they currently do. That's where I have to say Trinity kinda has a point about meeting people where they are, especially when you're trying to broaden their minds. If he did something negative, he showed his crowd, by example, how to accept the person but not their full experience... which I do agree is harmful still. Not violence or harrassment... but it's definitely hurtful.




>Dave’s using his trans friend’s story is hardly any
>different than white people using their token Black friends as
>ammo to shoot down their racism. And the “trans on trans”
>harassment narrative plays out like the “Black on Black”
>crime narrative. Dave just skirts accountability.



I wish she would've said more about how she feels he's skirting accoutability. Accountability for her death? Does she feel he's partially responsible? I've said in another post in here that I think it's possible he could've contributed but no one knows for sure.



>Lastly, I’ll just say one of the greatest tells that he is
>disingenuous is that he in one breath claims Twitter isn’t a
>real place (or the concerns of trans folks don’t matter),
>but that the trans people on Twitter led to Daphne’s demise.
>It’s all nonsensical.




That's a really good point. What's ironic though, is she contradicts herself in the same way. Her whole article is a critique of a part of her own community, saying they're violent toward another part of her community. Then she says

>You’re telling us that a community that has been so
>intimately aware of doxxing and harassment almost since the
>inception of social media is the culprit when we live in a
>society where trans folks continue to face systemic
>discrimination?

YES! Because aren't you telling us that a communtiy that has been intimately aware of violence and harassment since the inception of this country is the culprit when we live in a society where Black folks continue to face systemic discrimination? Yet she asks her question like trans' experience makes it impossible for them to perpetrate the similar behavior. She didn't think that one through.


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146. "it was a 30 year-old woman's opinion of a 50 year old man..."
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was she even born when Def Comedy Jam was out? There's going to be a disconnect.

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158. "The premises she uses here are utter shit though"
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>Chappelle reveals the ignorant tensions in the Black community
>about queerness and transness but doesn’t have the range to
>turn them on their head. In fact, he underscores the bigoted
>status quo.
>
>It’s convenient for Black cishet male comedians to talk
>about LGBTQ+ folks as if our group is only or even
>predominantly white. With that frame, they don’t have to
>contend with how Black cishet folks often enact (physical and
>psychological) violence on Black LGBTQ+ folks.

The LBGTQ+ community in America is OVERWHELMINGLY white, in every community represented by each of those letters. That's not to say that being LBGTQ+ is some white people shit, but critiquing the racism in an overwhelmingly white community should be a given.

>
>With that frame, Chappelle and other Black cishet men don’t
>have to acknowledge that their hate of trans and queer people
>is more than “just jokes.” It regularly becomes beating
>“the queer” out of young people, shunning us, and even
>killing us.

This is HUUUUGE fucking leap, that again does the white supremacist fuckshit of equating Black male thought with violence, and fuck anyone who does this.
Also, why is the focus solely on "cishet" BM?
BW arent critical of the gay community?
BW arent homophobic?
FOH

this is just scarybadblackman fearmongering in intersectional rainbow speak...which is to say white woman talk.

The rest of this thread is typical projection, stupidity and arm-chair psychology that you find in this type of bullshit.

  

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165. "Thank you"
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I only touched on the way she was using "cishet Black men" and what she's implying with that.

>this is just scarybadblackman fearmongering in intersectional
>rainbow speak...which is to say white woman talk.



That definitely needed to be said. I thought about it much later after posting, but it's actually hypocritical of her to say that Black men want the power that white men have WHILE she's using the same tactic of gaining white male approval that suffragists popularized and every non-Black PoC group employs... attacking the fictional Black boogeyman. It's like the initiation to join the Friends of White Supremacy Club.



>The rest of this thread is typical projection, stupidity and
>arm-chair psychology that you find in this type of bullshit.


Yeah, it's heavy on that.

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195. "No Problem"
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THIS argument in particular

"Black men want the power that white men have"

is so arbitrarily and blanketly applied to ANY criticism that any Black man has of modern pop liberalism that nobody should remotely take that shit seriously.


Think about what that would mean in this context.

Chappelle is criticizing the racism of the majority white, male, & wealthy trans movement in America...because he wants to be a white male?

FOH.

It's the only intellectual-sounding arrow in these kinds of folks quiver, and it's really really dumb

  

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253. "cosign n/m"
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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170. "I kinda feel that if you were white, you'd call the police on us"
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Especially with those white lgbtqia talking points you are spewing. A Black person dares to disagree and have an opinion and it is immediately 'off with their heads!'. That's the real fear. A Black person standing their ground; be it right or wrong. The audacity! Call the police because they refuse to believe what I tell them or go where I tell them to go....and that makes me uncomfortable! And their refusal is responsible for so many deaths; not the system itself that someone else created. Black men are the monsters and created the power structure that oppresses the lgbtqia community. So quick, call the police because they need to be dealt with.

FOH!

At least there is a conversation being had about transgendered and male/female identity. Meanwhile, Black people are fighting (...and losing the fight) just to be seen as human beings! This includes Black men, Black women, and Black lgbtqia. Remember you are Black first before anything else. I know there are those who wish it was the other way around, and will believe it.....until they get their wake-up call.
A win for the lgbtqia is a win for the white lgbtquia. A win for feminists is a win for the white feminists. They are the ones who want the power structure of white men. They use Black faces as mascots to equate to the Black struggle thus garnering sympathy and support until what they truly want comes into fruition (via enforced laws and everything else). Meanwhile, the problems that afflict Black women and lgbtqia will continue because it is really all about white entitlement, privilege, and supremacy be it men, women, or lgbtqia.

That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse than anybody.

He may not be right on all fronts, but he is entitled to his opinion (...and he seems open to discussion) without being labeled a monster, or phobic, and have this type of backlash.

  

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174. "FACTS..."
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>Especially with those white lgbtqia talking points you are
>spewing. A Black person dares to disagree and have an opinion
>and it is immediately 'off with their heads!'. That's the real
>fear. A Black person standing their ground; be it right or
>wrong. The audacity! Call the police because they refuse to
>believe what I tell them or go where I tell them to go....and
>that makes me uncomfortable! And their refusal is responsible
>for so many deaths; not the system itself that someone else
>created. Black men are the monsters and created the power
>structure that oppresses the lgbtqia community. So quick, call
>the police because they need to be dealt with.
>
>FOH!
>
>At least there is a conversation being had about transgendered
>and male/female identity. Meanwhile, Black people are fighting
>(...and losing the fight) just to be seen as human beings!
>This includes Black men, Black women, and Black lgbtqia.
>Remember you are Black first before anything else. I know
>there are those who wish it was the other way around, and will
>believe it.....until they get their wake-up call.
>A win for the lgbtqia is a win for the white lgbtquia. A win
>for feminists is a win for the white feminists. They are the
>ones who want the power structure of white men. They use Black
>faces as mascots to equate to the Black struggle thus
>garnering sympathy and support until what they truly want
>comes into fruition (via enforced laws and everything else).
>Meanwhile, the problems that afflict Black women and lgbtqia
>will continue because it is really all about white
>entitlement, privilege, and supremacy be it men, women, or
>lgbtqia.
>
>That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You
>can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you
>dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse
>than anybody.
>
>He may not be right on all fronts, but he is entitled to his
>opinion (...and he seems open to discussion) without being
>labeled a monster, or phobic, and have this type of backlash.
>

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175. "Actual facts!!!"
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182. "absolutely the po-lice"
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185. "i cant believe there are black people that DONT get this"
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186. "^^^ took long enough."
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198. "Well said. "
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209. "Rap artists DID get protested for questionable content"
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>That is what, I believe, it all boils down to for Dave. You
>can call a nigga a nigga and murder a nigga....but don't you
>dare hurt the lgbtqia's feelings because they have it worse
>than anybody.

Back in the early to Mid 90s you had Church groups and civic groups protesting and running over Rap CDs with a steam roller, and then they seemingly got tired and stopped.

If Major record labels, radio stations, concert venues, etc actually decided they weren't going to do business with or release material from Black artists who say "Nigga" or had violent content in their lyrics you would probably see a huge backlash from Black people

You're definitely not going to see a White artist on a major/mainstream recording label with lyrics explicitly talking about killing black or any other specific group of people.


Edit: Looking at my CD/DVD collection I'd be a hypocrite if I started demanding entertainment companies ban that type of content, although in regard to this recent trend of Rappers making songs about people who were ACTUALLY violently murdered I do think that should be stopped/record labels selling that material need to be taken to task

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238. "There it is"
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301. "Boy this was very well said."
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Good one.

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382. "BINGO!"
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Exactly!

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385. "look at these dumb motherfuckers"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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387. "looking forward to your well thought out rebuttal. "
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"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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504. "you spend time writing out rebuttals to dumb motherfuckers?"
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321. "This reads like someone who didn't watch the special"
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Also, there are hints here that imply that the conversation will never be reciprocal. It seems the only way forward is to bend the knee and not walk together.

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140. "I enjoyed it"
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Not my favorite work of his but definitely not his worst. I agree that I would have preferred he speaks about something else than the LGBTQ community but the idea that he was victimizing them is a reach and straight out fake outrage bordering on clout chasing. No community is so sacred that they can't be made fun of. I refuse to be so sophisticated that I can't appreciate that Dave is the best at what he does and if this is not evolved enough for your high sensibilities, go watch another comedian that matches your expectations. We don't have to agree with everything he says to enjoy it. Comedy is not a belief system.

  

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172. "He did shout out Angieee though, can I get an OKAYPLAYER "
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And to be clear, is the showrunner for “dear white people” a white transgender woman?

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177. "aw man,"
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Big up Angieee!

  

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178. "yes ... and that was the most offensive thing to me"
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>And to be clear, is the showrunner for “dear white
>people” a white transgender woman?
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so I guess that makes me a piece of crap person


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180. "Why you mad?"
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You white too?

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176. "It was ok.. but wow comedians are a whiney bunch these days.."
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188. "Not whiny - trolly"
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Netflix paid him basically for 4 standup shows AND one show worth of talking about be how he thinks LGBTQA are weird.

He's having a BLAST being a TROLL. It's not thoughtful or insightful - it's trolling.

He got PAID, and now has people saying he's a Carlin level genius because of trolling.

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189. "Some of this outrage is as cringy as Dave's complaining though.."
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..it's like complaining about a restaurant that you don't like ..just don't eat there


  

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196. "So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??"
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>..it's like complaining about a restaurant that you don't
>like ..just don't eat there

If the restaurant was, in your view, harming people - you think people should just STFU and KIM??

Dave's restaurant has a 200 million subscribers.

How about this: Accept that other folks have opinions.

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200. "RE: So all opinions must be positive - or jsut shut up??"
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>If the restaurant was, in your view, harming people - you
>think people should just STFU and KIM??



If I was the small percentage of people allergic to their food, I wouldn't eat there.. Or I could go there, protest and make a big fuss..then get upset when the restaurant doesn't close down 😆








  

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>If I was the small percentage of people allergic to their
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183. "Here is the thing, the Trans Woman who defended him in his last special"
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committed suicide because she was harassed online by....pro-LGBTQ people.

There is a deep irony going on their that directly resulted from his prior work that he felt he had to address. That a woman died as a direct result of his work appears to have deeply affected him so much so that he spent a great portion of his show talking about her. So I understand why he returned to the subject...again.

I think Dave made a couple of other points worth making like how he ,kinda for the first time, addressed intersectionality when he talks about LGBTQ by talking about how a black transwoman would not have called the cops on him. I wish he talked about that more because a lot of the time when he is talking about LGBTQ people he is actually talking about white LGBTQ. There is a big difference between Caitlyn Jenner and the black homeless LGBTQ kids in Baltimore.

But Back to his friend, I don't think his point was "I have a gay friend so what I say is okay". I think its more I don't give a fuck about what people who don't know me say about me online, I care what the actual trans people in my life think and we are good. I think that's kinda of a reckless way to look at it but he has clearly stated he is committed to speaking reckless.

He also seems to enjoy trolling a certain segment of the left because he knows what he says drives them crazy but at the same time huge swath's of America agree with him. I think his intended target are powerful LGBTQ folks (like the jokes he makes about DaBaby getting canceled, Hollywood Gay Executives and the ones who called the cops on him) but he isn't giving much thought to the not powerful LGBTQ who may be colleratal damage of what he says. His friend is actually collateral damage of his because while he can take the blows and shrug them off, she couldn't. He isn't seeing his own privilege in the situation.

finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials. And I think that's important because I think those experiences have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the subject.



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184. "to be fair we don't really know that"
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>committed suicide because she was harassed online
>by....pro-LGBTQ people.

We don't really know why she killed herself, and Dave said as much. He said he didn't know if the harassment was part of the reason but he was sure it didn't help. You don't know where people are in their lives. I kept thinking of the porn actress a couple years back who got pushed to suicide by getting dragged online for saying she didn't want to have sex with men who did gay scenes.

I'm not sure why it's getting blown off in this post as him having some nerve trying to blame twitter scolds, or in one thread, saying he's absurd to imply that the lbgtq community who is so prone to social media harassment would ever do something like that... which is of course, absurd.

But with that said, it's a reminder the rate in which trans people *are* prone to suicide, and that could extend to his material "not helping" either. I actually thought he'd stand down after Daphne's death, but he was also being blamed for it so I see why he'd want to highlight their relationship, and how it affected him. I don't know if i agree with his decision but i understand it, and he does come off just dickish at times.
I agree though that it goes further than her just being a token he's using so he can tell jokes.


>He also seems to enjoy trolling a certain segment of the left
>because he knows what he says drives them crazy but at the
>same time huge swath's of America agree with him. I think his
>intended target are powerful LGBTQ folks (like the jokes he
>makes about DaBaby getting canceled, Hollywood Gay Executives
>and the ones who called the cops on him) but he isn't giving
>much thought to the not powerful LGBTQ who may be colleratal
>damage of what he says. His friend is actually collateral
>damage of his because while he can take the blows and shrug
>them off, she couldn't. He isn't seeing his own privilege in
>the situation.

^^target emoji

>finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because
>he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials.
>And I think that's important because I think those experiences
>have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the
>subject.

damn. maybe.

  

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187. "he did directly say that every joke he's told on Netflix is about white ..."
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in this special.

It took him awhile to get there but I thought he wrapped everything up really elegantly, and I sort of like the idea that all his Netflix specials are a direct dialogue with his audience, if not in execution at least in theory. I'd say it was a solid 3/5 as a stand-up special but well worth a watch whether you're for or against Dave. Here's my unimportant letterbox'd thoughts:


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After Sticks & Stones, I knew that Chappelle had reached the George Carlin point for me where no matter how unfunny and dogmatic his specials might become in later years, I'd just have to hear what Dave had to say. It didn't hurt that I felt it was an all-time comedy set, one I've shared with a number of people with wildly different views of the world and all have been stunned by just how thorough and thoughtful it is.

The Closer, by virtue of rehashed material and recycled subject matter, doesn't allow itself to be such a raw example of genius as that special did. It teeters closer to his earlier Netflix specials, sets that left me wondering how much of the material was truly funny and how much of it I was laughing at just because it was Dave delivering the material.

But I also think he's walking an incredibly delicate tightrope here, and it seems quite clear his endgame is not at all malevolent. It's impossible not to have "you're smarter than this, Dave" creep through your head multiple times during a modern Chappelle special, particularly during the JK Rowling bit, but the challenge he's tasked himself with is also astoundingly large.

It's a dangerous place to put one's self as a comedian of means and superheroic stature, as a man of the people who's just as free as any other person to not understand what others are going through or thinking about in their daily lives. It's a relatable stance from an unrelatable person, obviously it's not comforting to experience. But I admire Dave for trying, and came away from his story about his friend Daphne and the photo series that rolled alongside the credits in awe of the raw honesty on display.

There's not many laughs here, but I don't buy that there's not an abundance of heart, either.


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193. "maaaaaaaaan what hahahah"
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>
>finally, I am pretty sure DC has had gay sex. Mainly because
>he randomly mentions having gay sex in all of these specials.
>And I think that's important because I think those experiences
>have embolden him to especially feel like he can speak on the
>subject.
>
>

  

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191. "I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit "
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The part where he says that when his dead trans friend Daphne’s daughter grows up, he will tell the girl that he “knew her father”.

Because, obviously trans women are women—anyone can see that. But it also wouldn’t be correct to call this girl’s transwoman parent their “mother” right? The girl has a mother already, I assume…and I mean, bottom line Daphne contributed the sperm to the situation. That can’t be a motherly action.

But if we call Daphne her father, aren’t we misgendering her?

Stuff is confusing.

  

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194. "RE: I’m still trying to get my head around the last bit "
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I think it's a joke, hence him waiting until she's older.

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205. "I think this sums up the whole special for me..."
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To Doomdata's point...it's a joke.

Now...how does that joke land?

1) Hetero-cis - It's 'uncomfortably' funny...it's DAVE!
2) Family of Daphne - Hilarious because they knew her and would know that she'd find that joke funny.
3) Dave himself - 1000% his feelings. He even used the correct pronoun but didn't skate over the fact that a man, used sperm, to create his daughter, then later transitioned to a woman.
4) LBGTQIA community - offensive due to misgendering post-transition.

^^^That last bit is why he's not going to have further specials and discuss this topic publicly...until he can be sure they are laughing 'with him'.

There's so much nuance in this special, wrapped around edgy and uncomfortable and, to some, offensive jokes.

My takeaways on Dave's stances:
-If you are born a way, it's factual, scientific data labels your gender based on the reproductive organs you were born with, however...
-You have a right to choose to transition if you felt you weren't born into the right gender, however...
-That doesn't make your gender scientific because a born male can't biologically produce eggs for fertilization and a born female can't biologically grow sperm however...
-I can respect you where you are and even grow a friendship with you...even if we disagree on the above. Additionally...
-It should be ok for us to joke about it while we are all learning to live in this new and developing world and...
-Don't be surprised that people disagree with you (because they do and will)...including cis women...and lastly...
-Let's not do the USA struggle Olympics because, blackmen have had it worse than anyone historically in this country...and you are still contributing to it no matter your sexual orientation or gender identity.

And to all of that, I say that learning and evolving is a painful process. The biggest hurdles with most people who struggle to accept evolving definitions of gender are all built into their/our cultural development:

-Moral queue's (based heavily on religious indoctrination)
-Normative education (everything we've learned most of our lives tells us Boy/Girl, from science, entertainment, household upbringing, social interactions)
-Having to learn new norms without a full education of them (and then being shunned if they don't conform)

It's like going your whole life and being told a particular hue is blue and then after 30-50 yrs of knowing this, a whole different color pallet is introduced to you based on the blue hue where blue isn't just blue anymore; it's Royal, Navy, Sky, Carolina, Dark, Light, Aqua, Turquoise, Cobalt, Cerulean. And some blues are more green and some blues are more gray. And you're like, "How can a blue be green or gray?".

Then there's a slew of new rules and terms that might actually get you shouted down if you misuse or neglect to use them when living in this new world.

Cis-gendered
Transphobic
Homophobic
They/Them as pronouns to refer to a singular person
Non-binary
Cisheteronormativity

And then, on top of that, it 'seems' that this community is above reproach and can't be criticized by 'others' when they don't 'get it/understand' immediately (and some never will, might take generations for this to be a normative thing).

And then, for a black man, we could never make words like Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by society or science. It's like one of those things that lives in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing. *Shrug*

All this to say that I feel more education is needed, less shaming should be done (both ways) and expect people to disagree (both ways). But relish in the developments that are happening/fact that people are even open to discussing/learning/respecting these evolutions in 2021. Says a lot for the LBGTQIA community and how we've all become aware of their particular brand of issues.

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207. "^I felt a lot of this, thanks for taking the time to write it."
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220. "good post nm"
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>To Doomdata's point...it's a joke.
>
>Now...how does that joke land?
>
>1) Hetero-cis - It's 'uncomfortably' funny...it's DAVE!
>2) Family of Daphne - Hilarious because they knew her and
>would know that she'd find that joke funny.
>3) Dave himself - 1000% his feelings. He even used the
>correct pronoun but didn't skate over the fact that a man,
>used sperm, to create his daughter, then later transitioned to
>a woman.
>4) LBGTQIA community - offensive due to misgendering
>post-transition.
>
>^^^That last bit is why he's not going to have further
>specials and discuss this topic publicly...until he can be
>sure they are laughing 'with him'.
>
>There's so much nuance in this special, wrapped around edgy
>and uncomfortable and, to some, offensive jokes.
>
>My takeaways on Dave's stances:
>-If you are born a way, it's factual, scientific data labels
>your gender based on the reproductive organs you were born
>with, however...
>-You have a right to choose to transition if you felt you
>weren't born into the right gender, however...
>-That doesn't make your gender scientific because a born male
>can't biologically produce eggs for fertilization and a born
>female can't biologically grow sperm however...
>-I can respect you where you are and even grow a friendship
>with you...even if we disagree on the above. Additionally...
>-It should be ok for us to joke about it while we are all
>learning to live in this new and developing world and...
>-Don't be surprised that people disagree with you (because
>they do and will)...including cis women...and lastly...
>-Let's not do the USA struggle Olympics because, blackmen have
>had it worse than anyone historically in this country...and
>you are still contributing to it no matter your sexual
>orientation or gender identity.
>
>And to all of that, I say that learning and evolving is a
>painful process. The biggest hurdles with most people who
>struggle to accept evolving definitions of gender are all
>built into their/our cultural development:
>
>-Moral queue's (based heavily on religious indoctrination)
>-Normative education (everything we've learned most of our
>lives tells us Boy/Girl, from science, entertainment,
>household upbringing, social interactions)
>-Having to learn new norms without a full education of them
>(and then being shunned if they don't conform)
>
>It's like going your whole life and being told a particular
>hue is blue and then after 30-50 yrs of knowing this, a whole
>different color pallet is introduced to you based on the blue
>hue where blue isn't just blue anymore; it's Royal, Navy, Sky,
>Carolina, Dark, Light, Aqua, Turquoise, Cobalt, Cerulean. And
>some blues are more green and some blues are more gray. And
>you're like, "How can a blue be green or gray?".
>
>Then there's a slew of new rules and terms that might actually
>get you shouted down if you misuse or neglect to use them when
>living in this new world.
>
>Cis-gendered
>Transphobic
>Homophobic
>They/Them as pronouns to refer to a singular person
>Non-binary
>Cisheteronormativity
>
>And then, on top of that, it 'seems' that this community is
>above reproach and can't be criticized by 'others' when they
>don't 'get it/understand' immediately (and some never will,
>might take generations for this to be a normative thing).
>
>And then, for a black man, we could never make words like
>Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by
>society or science. It's like one of those things that lives
>in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing.
> *Shrug*
>
>All this to say that I feel more education is needed, less
>shaming should be done (both ways) and expect people to
>disagree (both ways). But relish in the developments that are
>happening/fact that people are even open to
>discussing/learning/respecting these evolutions in 2021. Says
>a lot for the LBGTQIA community and how we've all become aware
>of their particular brand of issues.

  

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229. "really good post, but you said a WORD right here...."
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>
>And then, for a black man, we could never make words like
>Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by
>society or science. It's like one of those things that lives
>in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing.
> *Shrug*

I think THAT's why he said he was team TERF, because Black men, hell Black people NEVER get that type of categorization. Antiracism has em up in arms, and the mere notion of teaching more history spawned this "CRT" (real meaning is Crackers Resisting Truth) outrage.

  

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389. "Well said, nm."
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______________________________________________________________________________

"To Each His Reach"

but.....

Fuck aliens.

  

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206. "It was a joke. The audience laughed"
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No need for a dissertation on a punchline

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395. "It was a joke to make his point"
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That you are going to agree with this but be offended by this punchline even tho you know it's a joke. I think a lot his special is constantly making a point then proving that you will dismiss it based on being offended on the point having a joke that goes against your morals or makes you personally offended but ignore the ones where you don't feel you are the target (ie. Space Jews). Which is the main point with the "stop punching down on my people" line that he ends the special with. He is essentially saying you are quick to be offended but just as quick to subconsciously or consciously offend another group in the same breath to make your point or fight your fight.

  

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204. "Dave was right, people don't LISTEN"
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y'all done turned to OLD leftists where ANYTHING GOES and if people don't agree with you, cancel them.

These ppl couldn't even accept themselves but want others to be forced to accept them.

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210. "there's a debate on social media about whether sugar goes in grits"
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some people say yes. that's something you can say "I dont agree on"

the issue here is LGBT folks minding their business and wanting to live without being antagonized (by someone with a huge platform), what exactly are you or Dave Chappelle not agreeing on?

Dave Chappelle and Donald Trump are singular entities, the problem is their voices have had enough of a reach to put harmful ideas in people's minds

more than that, I dont understand how as a black woman fighting multiple battles (race/gender) in this country you cant empathize with what the LGBT crowd (some of which are black women) has to take on

  

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211. "Black women, as a whole, have it about 100,000x worse than Trans folks"
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be careful about assuming and comparing communities

I'ma butt out here as I'm neither a Black woman nor a trans person, but it seems TOTALLY reasonable to me that a Black woman doesn't just automatically empathize with a Trans person.

  

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212. "There are black transwomen and black transmen"
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And they have some of the worst life and health outcomes in this country.

For some reason, so many of you can't seem to grasp that.

I've started to become intrigued by the fact that the only actual transwomen Dave ever references are Caitlyn Jenner (who obviously comes from an insane degree of privilege) and Daphne. The trans people that I know, the ones I see around the way, the ones I think about are black, mexican, guatemalan, asian. Ones that don't have the privileges of Daphne, much less Caitlyn. The "jokes" Dave tells, the perspective he espouses, imo, affect those people more than they effect Caitlyn and Daphne.

Dave, for one instance, in this special made a statement about how a white gay man called the police on him and how a black gay man would never do that. That brief moment was the only time in the special (and I think the first time in the nextflix run) that Dave acknowledged that there are Black members of the LGBTQIA+ community. I thought for a second he would introduce that nuance to his analysis. But he didn't. He left it there. There are definitely ways to talk about the racism of some portions of the LGBTQIA+ community, but Dave refuses to use the needed nuanced approach to doing so and just falls back on "SHE'S A MAN! Look! Balls!"

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214. "I didn't choose to be a black woman"
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I wouldn't choose anything else, but I certainly cannot choose to not be black or a woman.


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216. "Trans people didn't choose that either."
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They chose to stop lying to the world about who they are.

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222. "*blink blink* "
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You have to do mental back flips to actually write some of this. Perhaps you'll convince someone reading.

I've decided being cosmopolitan, anything goes, casual group sex, WAP life and pregnant men, drug and murder music just isn't something I'll cosign.

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224. "So you've never listened to a transperson talk about their experience"
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got it.
The idea that a person would choose to be trans, like the idea that someone would choose to be gay is laughable to me.

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228. "".. to me" wasn't necessary."
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>The idea that a person would choose to be trans, like the idea
>that someone would choose to be gay is laughable to me.

It's just generally laughable.

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242. "I've listened. I have a coworker who transitioned over some years"
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right in front of everyone's eyes.

I call my coworker by her name. I've even corrected a coworker who would slight her by calling her the name her parents gave her, the name she gave us before she transitioned. You see how I'm using her proper pronouns here?

I still don't agree with her lifestyle. I can listen all day. Y'all think if you talk folk to death they'll eventually agree with how you live? That's crazy. Live your life. Stop looking for others to accept you. They done passed laws to protect this community, meanwhile anti-lynching bill DOA y'all don't listen.

Should someone refuse services? murder? hold back ones career? generally discriminate? Nah. that's WRONG. Take it to court!

I don't go around asking racist to love me and show them how wonderful I am and understand my hurt.

What I do ask is they not discriminate, murder and put in place laws that oppress me.

Yall didnt listen to Dave.

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244. "you're contradicting yourself"
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you use proper pronouns and call her the correct name, then you say:


>I still don't agree with her lifestyle. I can listen all day.
>Y'all think if you talk folk to death they'll eventually agree
>with how you live? That's crazy. Live your life. Stop looking
>for others to accept you.

this is bigoted language

>I don't go around asking racist to love me and show them how
>wonderful I am and understand my hurt.

whether you realize it or not, you compared yourself to how racists view us

>What I do ask is they not discriminate, murder and put in
>place laws that oppress me.

fine and dandy. but how would you feel if one of the highest paid, most popular comedians on Netflix was making jokes at the expense of (cis) black women?


>Yall didnt listen to Dave.

this honestly sounds like you were looking for him to justify whatever your thoughts are

  

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254. "No I'm not contradicting myself. "
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Plenty of people will use proper pronouns and not agree.

I understand her experience and have compassion enough to use her pronouns and call her by the name she has chosen. That doesn't mean I agree. It just means I respect her enough to use her pronouns.

I hope you don't think everyone who uses ppls pronouns agrees with the lifestyle. We don't.

Dave's whole skit was about what ppl can get away with doing to Black people but you better not hurt a certain groups feelings. You don't listen. I can live respectfully with someone and disagree. You however seem hell bent on making people agree with you.


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258. "got it, you respect them up to a certain point"
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and you draw the line at respecting their "lifestyle"

  

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261. "How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?"
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What is there to disagree with, exactly?


  

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>RE: How do you "disagree" with who and what someone is?
>What is there to disagree with, exactly?

People disagree with who and what people are all the time. I disagree with bigots but that's who and what they are. I disagree with people who think LeBron is the GOAT but that's who and what they are. I disagree with a lot of conservative politicians but that's who and what they are. I disagree with pedophiles but that's who and what they are.

The better question is, "What harm does it inflict on someone personally to 'live and let live'?

But even the answer to that is a slippery slope when speaking about living in a society/community as people will disagree with what's best for a society/community.

I think the toughest hurdle for Trans people to leap is the 'born this way' sentiment. For LGBQ's it's easier for a binary to understand, "I'm wired this way, I love what I love and I can't explain it the same way a hetero person can't...it's just who they are attracted to". I also think there's been some significant scientific research into homo/bi/fluid sexuality as well which gives it some scientific validation.

A Trans person remixes that entire thought. It's, "I was born this way but it doesn't feel right. I should be different." Most people/binarys don't have that experience. Black people don't eventually feel "I should have been born white". LGBQ's don't feel "I should have been born straight", etc. It's not seen as a fundamental building block to their biology. I think the Trans movement falls in line with the LGBQ movement because it's non-binary/different but their journey is much, MUCH different from others. Which, IMO, makes it harder to understand.

I think a binary views it as more of an external change based on preference, not biological wiring. And that's based on their own experience. Someone doesn't like their nose or think it should have been different...nose job. Someone feels they should not go bald and should have hair...hair treatment. Someone feels their breast/butt/penis isn't the size they'd like it...enhancement/reduction. I should have lighter skin...bleaching. I should have darker skin...tanning.

I should have been a woman/man...hormones, surgery to be so.

^^^This gets reduced to...a lifestyle choice vs internal biological wiring like an LGBQ person. Some trans people change gender and are attracted to the opposite gender, some to the same gender. So it's not about biological sexual orientation. And I think that's the part most binarys can't understand and may disagree with.

The same way some people don't agree with altering ones body/appearance via surgery.

Identity is tricky to discuss, understand and normalize because it can open the door to 'any' feeling of identity. For example, Rachel Dolezal. Who's to say her feelings of black identity weren't valid? If she took steps to actually look/be who she felt she was...are her feelings of identity not valid?

Should society just let that ride? Is the only reason we shout it down due to America's historical mockery of Black people via Black face? I'm sure most White people didn't care but Black people were offended by her feelings of identity and the efforts she took to realize them. Would that not fall in line with biologically born women feeling something similar towards trans women and bio men towards trans men? Should their feelings about it not be considered? Or should we all live and let live? Should people be able to transition to whatever they identify as, love who they are wired to love, without judgement, opinion, boundary? What does that society look like? Where do we set standards or draw lines to say 'that's too far'?

Identity vs Biology will always make this a hard convo but it's one worth having. We shouldn't all dismiss each other's feelings for the sake of 'live and let live' because how, the singular "we", all live, definitely has an impact on how, the pluarl "we" all live.

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218. "trans people are black women, trans people are LGBT"
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213. "You don't have to understand"
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Black women locked arms with white women during the feminist movement. It got us no where.

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219. "it's not really my place to speak on feminism"
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from my understanding, there's a newer system called womanism that prioritizes the concerns of black women through a "feminist" lens

feminism failing black women is no reason to be dismissive of the LGBT folks though

  

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221. "Honestly, people here and broadly have little understanding of feminism"
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They talk about feminism as if First Wave Feminism is all there is. Like bell hooks and Audre Lorde don't exist, like Rebecca Walker and Kimberle Williams Crenshaw don't exist. Some of the most important feminist scholars are Black women. Apparently those women got us no where.

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223. "I think thats bullshit"
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>They talk about feminism as if First Wave Feminism is all
>there is. Like bell hooks and Audre Lorde don't exist, like
>Rebecca Walker and Kimberle Williams Crenshaw don't exist.
>Some of the most important feminist scholars are Black women.
>Apparently those women got us no where.

Nobody mentioned them yet nobody denounced their work. I think the subject at hand has been that white feminist could give a damn about Hooks etc and that they wield a higher power than their black sisters within.

  

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225. "I was speaking broadly"
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his comment and the one above it introduced feminism, so I'm speaking to that.

I think that when we're not precise with our language and we just say "feminists" and just say "the lgbtqia+" we're dismissing (and seemingly ignorant of how) bipoc have also shaped those communities.

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226. "RE: I was speaking broadly"
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>his comment and the one above it introduced feminism, so I'm
>speaking to that.
>
>I think that when we're not precise with our language and we
>just say "feminists" and just say "the lgbtqia+" we're
>dismissing (and seemingly ignorant of how) bipoc have also
>shaped those communities.


And I still call bullshit because at least w/ Dave, he mentioned lbtqia and feminist pos and how they are underplayed, and the people here understand that and have stated so in this thread a few times. Huat because it isn't mentioned, its considered. People are so hung ho about calling others insensitive and archaic etc that they are overlooking valid points made and vlid points made by Dave's special.

Just me two cents

  

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215. "I miss the old Dave ... "how old is 15 really" Dave"
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The death of his "friend" seems to have shaken him more than anything else in life and he seems to be trying to work through that shit on stage.
Which I guess would be fine (?) maybe in a few sets strung together, but fuck all of that in specials.

There's so many other topics he could've talked about. NFL ratings, Democrats, raising kids in Ohio, TikTok, electric cars, billionaires going to space, qualified immunity, hell he could've talked about how many trans Black women get murdered if he really wanted to talk about ingroups and outgroups ... just literally a world of things that old Dave Chappelle would've knocked out of the park. But that new Dave doesn't seem to have a larger world view.

Daphne died in 2019, Dave the man doesn't need to let that go. Dave the comedian needs better material.

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217. "Killing Me Softly is probably still my favorite special from Dave"
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That bit about the Baby selling weed...Pure comedy Gold!

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235. "dave swears his entire life is criticism for trans "jokes""
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I have an odd feeling that walking around ohio that's not really his every day

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230. "Dave gotta be cackling about Jon Gruden"
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World proving his point while whining about some jokes lol

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231. "/post"
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you can't understand it with an explanation

  

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232. "Paraplegic Black man pulled from car by the hair by the cops"
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His name?
Clifford.

https://people.com/crime/bodycam-footage-shows-black-paraplegic-man-being-pulled-from-car-by-ohio-police/


History ain't never proved somebody right faster than this, lol

  

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234. "you gotta be a dumb motherfucker to think something like that"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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243. "3hrs = gone"
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He was on his 3rd day of plea cops for being racist
That story broke on Friday

The homophobic story broke on Monday around 5PM
He was gone by 8
(c) ESPN.

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249. "yup. "
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He would’ve survived some racial shit but once he dropped the Q and F bombs it was a wrap!

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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257. "it was a wrap when they started looking through his raiders emails"
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256. "PLEASE please play me in poker so I can take every dollar you have"
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you're a dummy

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240. "^^^^^^^ there it is and they still wont listen"
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241. "the timing of all this is amazing"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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245. "Fuck Gruden and his Momma, but I wasn't aware he was "
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Gay

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246. "I think he was referencing that Gruden made racist comments and kept his"
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job, but the trigger for him getting fired was making anti-gay comments.

I get in a league that is 70% black workers, that being racist won't get you fired.



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247. "right and the first openly gay player is actually on his team..."
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>job, but the trigger for him getting fired was making
>anti-gay comments.
>
>I get in a league that is 70% black workers, that being racist
>won't get you fired.

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248. "I think Adwhizz is joking your weird Dave had gay sex declaration "
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at least that is the way I read it

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250. "Oh, the only part I heard about was him making racist comments"
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about Demorris Smith, looking at the news I see he's been saying a bunch of sideways shit about a bunch of different groups via e-mail over a ten year period.


The clock on him getting fired or "resigning" probably started counting down Friday when that first story came out

If I was betting money on it, his team/the NFL were probably aware of this long ago and kept it all under wraps but once the press got on it, it was only a matter of time before AWL his shit got put out there and whatever team he was with would want to get rid of him

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233. "https://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw?t=147"
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https://youtu.be/adh0KGmgmQw?t=147

Just IMO though.

  

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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-10-11/netflix-dave-chappelle-special-transgender-employees

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237. "love being in favor of big corporations"
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236. "People showing their ass and getting fired, wonder if they are with the ..."
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https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/tv/story/2021-10-11/netflix-dave-chappelle-special-transgender-employees

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251. "It bugs me that people casually saying "Anti-Trans Writer JK Rowling""
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without really analyzing or think critically about what she has said to date. The tweet that started it all was:

Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

Maya Forstater, btw, was fired because of a series of tweets she made voicing the position that "that sex is immutable and not to be conflated with gender identity". One of her tweets reads:

Yes I think that male people are not women. I dont think being a woman/female is a matter of identity or womanly feelings. It is biology. People of either sex should not be constrained (or discriminated against) if they dont conform to traditional gender expectations.


I truly believe reasonable people can disagree as to whether someone not born a woman is in fact a woman. But then you also have this crazy situation where male judges were deciding whether a woman opinions about what it means to be a woman were appropriate. I know I couldn't tell a woman what it means to be a woman.

Anyway, I always noticed that OKP never discussed JK Rowling when her controversy was popping and I always felt part of it was because attacking what she actually said is hard to do. We can all come up with a 100 reasons why she shouldn't say it out loud given her position, but yeah.






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255. "sometimes it's hard to tell when you don't know stuff"
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because you don't know and don't know how to do research

or because you're intentionally being misleading

fortunately you just wrote out a long post explaining how dumb of a person you are for everyone to read.

you are neither a man nor a woman until you post a DNA result confirming your status, you're just a fucking idiot


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259. "You should watch Contrapoints' analysis/commentary on Rowling,"
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It's long, but worth it. If you're actually interested in the issue, that is.

https://youtu.be/7gDKbT_l2us

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276. "hell yeah. I love Contrapoints. I repped her two years ago here. "
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when she was into the extreme/shock stuff

see also: Kat Blaque

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299. "Ok she was very good. I agreed with 90% of what she was saying. "
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I think she also persauded me that JK Rowling is dressing up and using nice words to make something sound nicer than it is.

There is a fundamental disagreement at work that so many nice words can't paper over. JK Rowling (and a whole lot of other people) fundamentally believe transwomen are fundamentally men. Maybe that disagreement can't be politely resolved.

On another note, I think they thing that really got me is her position that we should stop talking about these philosophical, theoretical questions and talk about politics.

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319. "I agree with JK to an extent"
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Do absolutely anything you want to do sexually or gender-wise but the hard cutoff should be medicine. There shouldn’t be any hurdles for doctors to treat you according to your birth sex.

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418. "lol"
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u dummy

jk rowling doesn't give a shit if a person is trans or not

she just wants to be the arbiter of who gets what when.

she's not taking a genetic test to prove her womanhood

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260. "the UK cultural discussion on this stuff is hella interesting"
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it's pretty much white women feminists of all sexual orientations, going in on how misogynistic the trans movement is (most trans people are MtF).

Definitely an interesting discussion that's worth checking out

  

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the funny part is you can tell none of those people are feminists at all because a fuckstick like this supports them.

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262. "Her sentiment is fence straddling nonsense"
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>without really analyzing or think critically about what she
>has said to date. The tweet that started it all was:
>
>Dress however you please.
>Call yourself whatever you like.
>Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
>Live your best life in peace and security.
>But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is
>real?
>#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill

>Maya Forstater, btw, was fired because of a series of tweets
>she made voicing the position that "that sex is immutable and
>not to be conflated with gender identity". One of her tweets
>reads:

>Yes I think that male people are not women. I dont think being
>a woman/female is a matter of identity or womanly feelings. It
>is biology. People of either sex should not be constrained (or
>discriminated against) if they dont conform to traditional
>gender expectations.

>I truly believe reasonable people can disagreeas to whether
>someone not born a woman is in fact a woman. But then you
>also have this crazy situation where male judges were deciding
>whether a woman opinions about what it means to be a woman
>were appropriate. I know I couldn't tell a woman what it
>means to be a woman.

>Anyway, I always noticed that OKP never discussed JK Rowling
>when her controversy was popping and I always felt part of it
>was because attacking what she actually said is hard to do.
>We can all come up with a 100 reasons why she shouldn't say it
>out loud given her position, but yeah.

I don't think there's an "agree to disagree" here, because gender and sex are not they same thing. Sex may be immutable, but gender is a construct.

She says she doesn't think being a woman/female is a matter of identity or womanly feelings, and while she can think that, the only way to get there is to deny that gender is a construct. Which is odd, considering that she made the tweet in defense of Forstater's comment, which states that sex is immutable and not to be conflated with gender. Well, Rowling has to conflate the two to arrive at the conclusion.

Her statement is easily summarized as: Trans women aren't *really* women, but I don't think trans women deserve to be discriminated against.

The latter statement is a bare-minimum degree of human decency and compassion. It's some, "gee, thanks" shit. I'm sure trans people appreciate that she doesn't think they deserve to get treated like second class citizens, even as she denies their gender identity.

Moreover, in contrast to that mostly vapid expression of "support", the former statement is wholly undermined by the latter.

That she says that she doesn't think trans people should be constrained or discriminated against, doesn't cancel out the prior statement. Were gender intrinsic to sex, then sure, she'd have a point. But it's not, so she doesn't, which is why she's transphobic.

  

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263. "I don't think she is saying that at all or maybe I don't follow you. "
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>I don't think there's an "agree to disagree" here, because
>gender and sex are not they same thing. Sex may be immutable,
>but gender is a construct.

I think that is her point. It's definitely Forstater's point. Its what I believe and I thought that was the difference between Gender and Sex that most people agreed on.



>
>She says she doesn't think being a woman/female is a matter of
>identity or womanly feelings, and while she can think that,
>the only way to get there is to deny that gender is a
>construct.


I don't see how you get here. Maybe Rowling could be clearer, but when she is referring to "women", she is talking about biological sex. (I think "feminine" would be the appropriate word to describe gender). So her point is if you are a male biologically, you can't be a woman biologically. That almost sounds like common sense. However when people conflate gender and sex then you have people arguing that they can decide in their head their sex (which isn't possible if its based on biology). So yeah you can definitely choose your own gender, but
UK's Gender Recognition Act is actually a misnomer because it gives people the ability to chose the sex or their birth certificate. If we truly thought of gender as a social construct, we would recognize babies are born without gender.

Why is any of this important? I think its because if a young person was suffering from gender dysphoria, in a society that recognized the fluidity of gender and had less rigid rules about what it means to be feminine/masculine, you would give that kid the right to explore there gender and their would be less pressure for that kid to want to have their gender match their sex. Our rigid ideas about gender identity do a disservice to a lot of people.

Anyway, don't take my word for what JK Rowling is saying. Read what she has written on the topic:

https://www.jkrowling.com/opinions/j-k-rowling-writes-about-her-reasons-for-speaking-out-on-sex-and-gender-issues/

She seems way more thoughtful on the subject than a lot of her critics I read. It's hard to dismiss her advocacy for women as driven by transphobia.




Which is odd, considering that she made the tweet
>in defense of Forstater's comment, which states that sex is
>immutable and not to be conflated with gender. Well, Rowling
>has to conflate the two to arrive at the conclusion.
>
>Her statement is easily summarized as: Trans women aren't
>*really* women, but I don't think trans women deserve to be
>discriminated against.
>
>The latter statement is a bare-minimum degree of human decency
>and compassion. It's some, "gee, thanks" shit. I'm sure trans
>people appreciate that she doesn't think they deserve to get
>treated like second class citizens, even as she denies their
>gender identity.
>
>Moreover, in contrast to that mostly vapid expression of
>"support", the former statement is wholly undermined by the
>latter.
>
>That she says that she doesn't think trans people should be
>constrained or discriminated against, doesn't cancel out the
>prior statement. Were gender intrinsic to sex, then sure,
>she'd have a point. But it's not, so she doesn't, which is why
>she's transphobic.


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265. "I've been goading buddy into saying stupid shit for years"
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but even I can't make Buddy actively defend a person and a concept that is openly racist, just because he's so fucking dumb that he thinks it will let him tee off on trans people.


Watching supposedly black men support racists would be funny if it weren't sad

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266. "you got 40,000 views on reddit bro. "
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With that sort of visibly winning for a grown man and all your twitch friends who are girls, you would think you wouldn't have time to follow me around from post to post to goad me.



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267. "Shaun King is TALKING ABOUT IT..."
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https://www.instagram.com/p/CU8rwcerIn9/

https://www.instagram.com/p/CU7aowYL-lh/

Tirico, Dungy, and everybody else was lining up to defend Gruden when his comments were "racially insensitive" and he still had a job, when it can out that he talked about other folks he was forced to "resign" immediately.

They are not the same.

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268. "The Gruden/NFL situation is proving Dave's punchline to be true..."
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..But most people would rather shoot the messenger.




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269. "*paging a mod to call Cyren a dumb motherfucker and loser*"
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271. "Lmaoooo"
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274. "When keeping it real goes wrong!"
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272. "lol"
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273. "so is my name in your mouth or not in your mouth"
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because I said what I said, but I don't do this half shit

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275. "keep that same energy or nah"
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278. "I was being serious."
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I think we’ve all internalized your voice and sensibility and know the many types of statements that make you erupt in righteous rage.

Cyrens reply is begging for that RJ justice, but yet it’s nowhere to be found. What gives man? You okay?

  

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280. "he prefers punching down"
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281. "LOL, he's probably punching down on the "
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"suspend shockvalue's account" button right about now. That's okay I got papers to grade...

Remember when reeq got banned for harassment or whatever--what was he doing, following people around and calling them "losers" and "dumb motherfuckers" over and over again in every thread?

  

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284. "Still, if I don't keep posting in this thread, I've been disappeared."
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Which is bullshit.

If you can't handle being called out, just don't be a toxic prick.

  

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286. "you put dudes hypocrisy on full display"
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and it was hilarious

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322. "so in your imagination, how many people have I banned?"
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324. "I was truly trying to understand the leap taken there... lol"
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287. "I'm not going to call Homie a loser and all that Extra shit but"
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When that story came out initially on Friday it was (correctly) presented in the news as something worthy of scorn and criticism

the clock was pretty much counting down to him being out of there because his bosses knew Dude was talking wreckless and leaving a paper trail for over a decade and a bunch of other shit was going to come out

The truth is the Teams he worked for were aware of his assholery and didn't REALLY care that he said Racist/Homophobic/Misogynist shit, they only care because it got out to the public. We don't know when the Team "asked" him to resign or what time frame they gave him to make that announcement. I'm surprised they didn't try to get ahead of it and make him do that before the other shoe dropped

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291. "but the tone from ESPN and others was.. its bad but not THAT bad"
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and then when the other stuff drops everyone was quick to say he had to go.

We all know sports has a bunch of cavemen in charge and they turn a blind eye to a bunch of shitty behavior. I still believe there are far too many Dungy types who are willing to let shit slide for obvious reasons.

I think once you use terms that offend gays (I know, I know.. Blacks are gay too) but we all know the real deal. Those people could care less about offending Black gays and Black Trans.. its the white ones and the white women that have them making moves swiftly.

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325. "bruh he was NOT gonna get fired for the racial shit"
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to pretend that the comments were viewed the same is just dishonest

  

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341. "it's interesting that the second tranche of emails is described one way"
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and the description somehow fails to mention that the person he was talking about was another NFL owner

because that certainly wouldn't be relevant

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297. "except not really"
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anyone with sense knew there was a double standard before pressing play on The Closer

nothing justifies 75% of that routine

you're not smarter or more woke than offended people because a news story came out that confirms what Dave said (again, we already knew his greater point) especially when he went about it in the worst way imaginable

  

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320. "your opinion of his approach doesn't change the truth..."
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>except not really

>anyone with sense knew there was a double standard before
>pressing play on The Closer.

There's a difference btwn awareness and action.

>nothing justifies 75% of that routine
>
>you're not smarter or more woke than offended people because a
>news story came out that confirms what Dave said (again, we
>already knew his greater point) especially when he went about
>it in the worst way imaginable

I'm not here to defend Chappelle or justify anything. I don't believe anything stated in his series makes him (or anyone else) smarter/greater/more woke than anyone. I said the world is proving his punchline to be true. However he decided to arrive at that punchline is on him, but its still true.

I may not agree with his approach, but the fact remains that a greater conversation is clearly warranted. That convo doesn't necessarily have to be lead by Chappelle, but so far he's the only person of his stature willing to speak about all of it. If there's a better manner to conduct this convo, by all means please take the lead.


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277. "correlation vs. causation; cumulative effect, "
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That being said there is something to the optics here. I think some folks would be wise to try to understand WHY minorities feel as if "the alphabet people" have more sway than them.

How long has Tarrantino been all up and down town calling Bruce Lee everything but a child of god? Despite protests, despite his own daughter stepping up to ask him to stop.

How easy is it for nation to just tar any black athlete they want? Simone Biles stepped out of the Olympics because she RIGHTFULLY feared for her life up there, and they called here a quitter and a coward. The best gymnast in history, by Olympic standards is a quitter, all because she deviated from the plan to take care of herself.

There appears to be a humanity afforded to 'them' (I hate this terminology) that is not, and appears will NEVER be afforded to us.

That shit hurts. So if we speak out pain inarticulately, and it happens to offend you, please do not lose sight of the fact that we are indeed speaking out our pain.

Now none of that was funny, so you can see why Dave didn't say it like that, but I really do believe THAT is at least one of the points he is driving at.

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279. "pain AND frustration "
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289. "word"
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Hurt a mfer long enough, with no relief to said pain.... see what happens.

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285. "Yeah you just got to be careful not to pit oppressed groups against each"
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other and also not recognizing the intersectionality in those oppressed groups.

At this point, DC should be talking WAAAAY more about white people than LGBTQ people.


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They seem to have a lot of clout
they seem to have a lot of pull

and it is the ONE group that includes Rich White Men? *Ducks*

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292. "For example, when you say "They" you are really talking about a small"
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group of powerful rich white LGBTQ people. They have clout like all rich white men do. It would be a mistake to see homeless transkids in NYC as a part of that group of powerful people, and yet, its those kids who catch the beat down.

>They seem to have a lot of clout
>they seem to have a lot of pull
>
>and it is the ONE group that includes Rich White Men? *Ducks*


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296. "On that we agree, but to the larger point he was making"
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about the speed at which this movement has progressed. There is something there. IMO

Honestly, I don't see the Malice in Dave's comments, THAT BEING SAID if people are telling you you are hurting them, regardless of whether or not YOU think you are hurting them.

You should stop.

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306. "I think this is right."
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>RE: On that we agree, but to the larger point he was making
>about the speed at which this movement has progressed. There
>is something there. IMO

Right, totally. The problem is the amount of time and energy he spends (at least in this recent string of specials that we're referencing for the purposes of this discussion) targeting the LGBTQ community, and the relative lack of time and energy he spends talking about how quickly white people/powerful white people latched onto LGBTQ issues and started to align with them compared to how long the Black community has been begging this shithole country for a modicum of respect and some rights. Which as many in here have mentioned, is probably his true gripe in his heart of hearts. It's just he's been approaching it as if the LGBTQ community itself is the problem.

And I know, I know, I know, he specifically said in this special that his problem is with white people. Which is why I agree with you that there's probably no *malice* behind his words. But the special was an hour long. His acknowledgement of his problem being with white people took up about 30 seconds of it. Probably 85% of the remainder of that hour was jokes targeting LGBTQ folk themselves, malice or not. *That* is why people are mad at him.

So anyway, you're right that there's something there in his overarching point (the one he spent ~30 seconds on, and one that I 100% agree with by the way) - but IMO the problem is that the balance of his time in this special (as well as I think two prior) is spent criticizing and talking about the wrong group of people. It's not LGBTQ's fault white people sympathize with them more than they ever have the Black community.


>Honestly, I don't see the Malice in Dave's comments, THAT
>BEING SAID if people are telling you you are hurting them,
>regardless of whether or not YOU think you are hurting them.
>
>You should stop.

Exactly right. It's tired in general too. Like I don't care what issue he's talking about, if any comedian - no matter how funny - spends ~3 full specials focused solely on one single topic it's gonna be boring as fuck.

So even beyond the fact that it's clearly offensive to this particular group of already-marginalized people, it's just boring, tired, and unfunny on top of that.

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290. "He said that in the special almost verbatim"
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his issue was never with LGBTQ. It has always been white people.

  

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293. "Folks are poor at listening "
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294. "I bet half the people turned it off before that point was made"
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or they were too far gone in their feels

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295. "Bro saying I don't have an issue with LGBTQ doesn't clean it up complete..."
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Gruden will SAY he has no issue with gay or black people.

You can't watch all these specials and all the focus on LGBTQ and walk away thinking he has NO issues with LGBTQ people.



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300. "I been thinking about this.... tldr"
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When I watch the specials he seems to be curious, and yes perhaps even envious.

Obsessed could be used, but I honestly don't read malice. That being said this reminds me of being on the other side of this shit by cheekily racist comics like Adam Corolla who I have NEVER liked. They never go TOO far, because they're not stupid and remember whatever else a comic is they are EXPERT communicators. They can communicate a point better than anyone else, in fact their livelihood depends on it.

Back to my point.

We don't get to "agree to disagree" about my feelings.

If I say you are hurting me, regardless of your intent, you have to take that. Now if you do the same thing again, you don't get to say, hey you're being too sensitive, or I didn't mean it like that, or whatever the fuck else.

You've been made aware your actions hurt me, and repeating those actions is a choice. You have CHOSEN to hurt me. Even if that was only a byproduct of your intention or your goal, you KNOW what you are doing is hurting me.

This is the 3rd uproar - we can't say he isn't aware
We could say it's a case of the loud and wrong set, but the community seems to be pretty clear in their stance as well.

Whatever it is Dave is trying to do ( and I do not believe he has malice behind any of this) he IS hurting them, and unfortunately it's in the same cold, callous way White folks have harmed us for ... ever.

We should wrestle with that when thinking about this.

Or at least that's my opinion.

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302. "The Gruden thing proves we are NOT equal..."
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>Whatever it is Dave is trying to do ( and I do not believe he
>has malice behind any of this) he IS hurting them, and
>unfortunately it's in the same cold, callous way White folks
>have harmed us for ... ever.

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303. "Did Caitlyn Jenner get woman of the year before or after"
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they dropped that manslaughter charge?

  

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304. "Dave left millions on the table & took off to Africa..."
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...because he didn't like how white folks were laughing at his show. I would have thought that he would be a little bit more sympathetic to another disadvantaged group that doesn't like how he's laughing at them.

  

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305. "^^^"
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and again. I don't think it's malicious, but it's short-sighted in a way that I don't normally associate with him.

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309. "See my post above."
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>and again. I don't think it's malicious, but it's
>short-sighted in a way that I don't normally associate with
>him.

I think he's doing it because he can. He's trolling a marginalized community using the power of his voice and his platform b/c he has a bee in his bonnet. He's throwing his toys. At its best, that's blatant disregard for causing hurt. At its worst, he's intentionally digging his fingers in an open wound.

He could do better but he doesn't want to.

  

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311. "I can't go here with you."
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>I think he's doing it because he can. He's trolling a
>marginalized community using the power of his voice and his
>platform b/c he has a bee in his bonnet. He's throwing his
>toys. At its best, that's blatant disregard for causing hurt.
>At its worst, he's intentionally digging his fingers in an
>open wound.
>
>He could do better but he doesn't want to.

You're describing malice, or at best malicious negligence. I don't see that here. At best I could call it self-centered negligence. This subject seems to fascinate him, and so he's exploring it, and apparently having fun doing so.

With absolutely no regard towards those he's examining.

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316. "I am. "
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>You're describing malice, or at best malicious negligence.

This subject seems to fascinate him, and so he's
>exploring it, and apparently having fun doing so.
>
>With absolutely no regard towards those he's examining.

That's malicious, no? Either way, I'm not at all interested in intent. I care about the impact. My point is that irrespective of his intentions, what he has said... is saying... has an impact and I think there should be accountability (or at least acknowledgement) for that -- whatever accountability is. For me, this is true if you truly don't know/realize the impact of your actions.

But that isn't true for Dave. He knows the impact. And he doubled down.

  

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323. "Yea I think this is probably right and fair."
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>>With absolutely no regard towards those he's examining.
>
>That's malicious, no? Either way, I'm not at all interested in
>intent. I care about the impact. My point is that irrespective
>of his intentions, what he has said... is saying... has an
>impact and I think there should be accountability (or at least
>acknowledgement) for that -- whatever accountability is. For
>me, this is true if you truly don't know/realize the impact of
>your actions.
>
>But that isn't true for Dave. He knows the impact. And he
>doubled down.

I previously co-signed that he had no ill intent but that would've been appropriate to say after the first trans joke he made.

At this point it's borderline if not full-fledged malicious.

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342. "but now that Dave got all his money his best friends are white supremaci..."
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and he doesn't say shit about it

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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361. "Can you please expand upon his white supremacist friends?"
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that one is new to me.

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376. "you missed who he's kicking it with? your boy Rogan?"
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have you ever looked up a terf and the things they say about black people?

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438. "I know he did his podcast, Iono if he's kicking it with him."
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Also, I don't really know WHAT Rogan is. I know his right turn as of late has made me uncomfortable and as such, I no longer listen to his podcast.

I'm scared to see what he covers in his next podcast....

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447. "he caught covid doing comedy shows in texas with dude"
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that is his mans

rogan didn't turn right lately, he was always that

and everyone in his circle is

and dave is in his circle

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307. "wait? The same way white folks have harmed us? "
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NOPE

FOH... how could you say such a thing?

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308. "I haven't seen any gay folks in chains(at least not voluntarily)"
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310. "Oh stop! You know that's not what I meant."
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I was talking in reference to their penchant for telling us that we're too sensitive about certain things.

c'mon fam...

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313. "thanks for clarifying "
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I didnt know what you meant.

when I see “just like white people do to us” I need it broken down to the very last compound.

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314. "lol, fair enough"
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I think when it comes to the ways of white folks, we know there just are no comparisons.

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326. "REPEATEDLY said it, too"
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in multiple ways

  

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282. "Dave Chappelle seems like a Q"
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Dude seems obsessed.

  

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312. "After watching multiple times"
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I'm still trying to find the part of the special where he actually says something negative or inflammatory about the LGBTQ community.
The punching down criticism is a complete joke, he never makes any reference to them being less than anyone else.

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317. "half the folks complaining about it haven't actually watched it..."
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>I'm still trying to find the part of the special where he
>actually says something negative or inflammatory about the
>LGBTQ community.
>The punching down criticism is a complete joke, he never makes
>any reference to them being less than anyone else.
>

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318. "he never does lol"
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329. "That's the thing he never says anything specifically malicious"
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but if a whole community says, we don't appreciate your attention, and it is making us uncomfortable. Please leave our names out of your mouth.

Why engage with them at all? It's like I said above, I don't get, he doesn't get it, we don't get, but they feel hurt, targeted, etc.

So leave them the tf alone, right?

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331. "Right. Even if what he's saying isn't malicious, it's probably leading t..."
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... more abuse of that community. However unintentional, he's responsible for anyone who watches his special(s) and goes on to harass trans people.

He could've left it alone a long time ago but he's choosing not to.

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332. "There would have to be something malicious right?"
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What could anyone take away that would warrant them harassing a trans-person? There would have to be some kind of negative sentiment for that person to base their harassment on.

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333. "No there wouldn't."
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>What could anyone take away that would warrant them harassing
>a trans-person? There would have to be some kind of negative
>sentiment for that person to base their harassment on.

Nothing would "warrant" them harassing a trans-person.

And no, there wouldn't have to be some kind of negative sentiment. All it takes for bigots to harass people is the *perception* that there's negative sentiment, which Dave achieved via the very act of just focusing on that particular group of people for 3 straight massive Netflix specials.

Bigots already hate trans people and other people not like them. They don't need much ammo to motivate them to harass the trans community. I mean look at social media and the types of people praising Dave for what he's doing. Glenn Greenwald, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Tucker Carlson. That alone tells the story.

But anyway to answer your question, in this instance the "negative sentiment" is that Dave is calling the trans community out for being upset with him about his specials. In a vacuum that's not exactly the most harmful thing in the world, but like I said, bigots don't need much to motivate them to harass trans people or any other oppressed, minority community.

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336. "RE:"
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>but if a whole community says, we don't appreciate your
>attention, and it is making us uncomfortable. Please leave us alone

kinda sounds like black people to the police

>Why engage with them at all? It's like I said above, I don't
>get, he doesn't get it, we don't get, but they feel hurt,
>targeted, etc.
>
>So leave them the tf alone, right?


well it worked so well for the police, they barely mess with black people anymore


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337. "This may not be coming across like you want it to..."
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I'm iffy on spades' "targeting" language, but let's say it's valid for the sake of argument.

Are you saying trans ppl deserve to be targeted by Black ppl because the police target us?

I'm not saying you're making a terrible point. I'm just saying maybe you aren't fleshing it out or articulating it very well.


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339. "RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to..."
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>I'm iffy on spades' "targeting" language, but let's say it's
>valid for the sake of argument.
>
>Are you saying trans ppl deserve to be targeted by Black ppl
>because the police target us?

come on man

>I'm not saying you're making a terrible point. I'm just saying
>maybe you aren't fleshing it out or articulating it very
>well.

that's on purpose.


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343. "RE: This may not be coming across like you want it to..."
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>>I'm not saying you're making a terrible point. I'm just
>saying
>>maybe you aren't fleshing it out or articulating it very
>>well.
>
>that's on purpose.



Duly noted

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340. "hey, why'd Dave quit his comedy central show?"
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wasn't it because he felt like the wrong people were laughing at the jokes?

is everyone who finds this special really funny being friendly with the trans community or are they the same people attacking them?

According to Dave, that's the bar for what's acceptable.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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344. "I'm not seeing the Dave audience to be ...."
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bloodthirsty for trans, he's kinda forcing the trans content on the audience because his specials usually span multiple topics.

It seems the biggest danger trans people are in is the dating world and from white people in general. I could see if Dave was giving people ammo to attack trans people but that kind of content isn’t present.

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345. "where'd you perform this survey?"
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and exactly where did you get these statistics that lead you to believe you know where trans people are victimized, who does it, and how these people aren't among the wider group of people who watch Dave Chappelle specials on Netflix?

I've been told his specials are very popular

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356. "Thank you."
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346. "what kind of content gives people ammo to attack trans people?"
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and how'd you find out what the line was? have you spoken to the people who do these things and they told you, or...?

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349. "I think you know that a large part of bigotry is irrationally "
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Neither of us needs to conduct a survey to know certain audiences have particular patterns.

It would be disingenuous to call some part of the special, bigotry.

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351. "I don't think that at all."
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that is not a statement I agree with or would make

bigotry is extremely rationally based, always has been and presumably always will be




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362. "You would contend that bigotry is rational?"
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Saying, black people or trans people are less worthy or less human comes from a rational place? Interesting.

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364. "it's perhaps the most rational thing ever?"
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saying somebody else is less than so that you can boost yourself up in comparison simply for existing?

what's *not* rational about that?

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357. "."
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315. "I'm glad he said he's moving on from this topic"
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I think he lacks the "standing" to have his points considered with any kind of grace. He's not a member of that group so many people in the group (and allies of the group) are going to reflexively feel attacked by his comments and critiques.

I think his joke about some white people flipping the script on him by "hiding" behind their sexual orientation is really illuminating bc I feel that's his fundamental issue here. Like he said, his primary, intended target for his comedy has always been whiteness or white supremacy. So I think he's trying to come at the topic with his usual context (i.e. "look at what these white folks are doing??!?") but the audience just sees him talking about the LGBT community. I haven't re-watched the older shows but I think this one was the first where he explicitly mentioned POC in the LGBT community.

Ultimately, it just isn't his conversation to *lead*. Folks have been telling him for 25 years they're not really interested in his views on this. I'm glad he's taken the hint.

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327. "so Netflix gave him $60mil for nothing?"
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>Ultimately, it just isn't his conversation to *lead*. Folks
>have been telling him for 25 years they're not really
>interested in his views on this. I'm glad he's taken the hint.

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328. "No, they got views and subscriptions."
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Management loves the controversy even if some of the staff hates the actual content being produced.

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330. "Boom"
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334. "subscriber growth/retention and stock price."
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thats all they care about.

  

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335. "so not because he's the most popular comedian in the world?"
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347. "Was Dave given $60 million dollars just to talk about transgendered ppl?"
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That sounds like an extremely reductive straw man but... No, he's a super popular comedian that is a proven "box-office" draw. Comedians often take on controversial topics so I'm sure Netflix wasn't naive enough to think that a comic like Dave, who focuses on controversial topics such as race and gender, wouldn't attract a fair amount of controversy with this line of specials.

In fact, a lack of controversy would probably be a bad sign, because it would mean Dave has decided to play it safe and wouldn't have the edge that made him so popular. But in catering to that controversy, Netflix has alienated some of its own staff. They're willing to accept that compromise because they got the attention on their service (maybe even more) that they wanted in the first place.

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348. "there's no evidence that really any of this is true?"
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prior to this run of specials Chappelle hadn't been a lightning rod for cultural controversy for most of his career, unless I'm forgetting something prior to the weirdo trump election SNL

he was popular, he wasn't facing accusations of bigotry.

now maybe they should have seen it coming based on what was in his original special they bought, but you must know more people there than I do if you assumed they paid him for controversy

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354. "I'm not calling him Andrew Dice Clay"
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He's not out here being controversial just for the sake of pushing buttons.

But he's not Sinbad either. His takes on race are outside of what most of mainstream white America is used to, even though they're not that controversial to most black people.

But let me use "edgy" instead. The point is still that Netflix, like any media company, has a tolerance for people being upset about the content they host. Some controversy is beneficial because it drives interest... too much, and people start boycotting. It's obvious from the way Netflix has reacted that they think this is the former... but watch them change their tune if it develops into the later.

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365. "ehhhh"
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I think netflix execs have his back for a variety of reasons that don't all include the fact that they'd look like complete idiots if they turned on him after giving him so much fucking money

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350. "Squid Games is the most popular show on Netflix right now"
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I don’t think Netflix was like “lets upset some gays and trans so we can make some money.

Its not like Netflix is a live channel that is forcing Dave on the masses.

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355. "This whole piece of the thread is weird"
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I've been posting too long to have fallen for that shit. lol

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352. "You typed this in post #315. Its not true:"
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"Folks have been telling him for 25 years they're not really interested in his views on this."

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353. "What part is a lie?"
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358. "Its the most watched standup and most popular programs on netflix?"
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How does that translate to no one wanting to hear what he has to say?


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360. "Is that how you and ThaTruth interpreted that post?"
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367. "I'm not interpreting anything i quoted YOUR words lol"
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369. ""Folks" = members of the transgendered community"
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Sorry if the context wasn't obvious.

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371. "that's not what you said, if you misspoke just say that lol..."
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>Sorry if the context wasn't obvious.

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374. "I didn't misspeak."
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I repeatedly talked about the LGBT community not feeling he has the right to speak on them. Then I used "folks" in the last sentence and suddenly I'm talking about everybody?

You're just looking for something to argue about.



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375. "okayplayer. n/m"
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338. "If they loved controversy, why'd they cancel Bill Cosby's deal?"
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can't get more controversial than that.

and the verdict's been overturned, they could bring back his special now!

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359. "lol, you wylin"
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363. "mfs really not out here supporting a black man who technically"
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is not convicted of anything soooooo

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366. "Chappelle has taken over my Youtube algorithm "
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I can't get rid of suggestions from YouTube for "Chappelle DESTROYS cancel culture" and "THE JRE EXPEIENCE on Chappelle's brilliant new special!" and the like.

I've cleared my saved videos, cleared my watched videos logged and completely reset my search history. My subscriptions are to Team Coco and a few reactor channels - none of which have any Dave content.

Youtube's algorithm is DEFINTLY pushing Dave as a GENIUS and VICTIM for completely default users.

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383. "You're talking about Dave here. quite a bit... connect the dots..."
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384. "i think the Ultron at the center of Youtube thinks this shit is fun. "
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making bets with copies of itself saying, "let's see few clicks we can get people from dave to full-on Q shit".

>I can't get rid of suggestions from YouTube for "Chappelle
>DESTROYS cancel culture" and "THE JRE EXPEIENCE on Chappelle's
>brilliant new special!" and the like.
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>I've cleared my saved videos, cleared my watched videos logged
>and completely reset my search history. My subscriptions are
>to Team Coco and a few reactor channels - none of which have
>any Dave content.
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>Youtube's algorithm is DEFINTLY pushing Dave as a GENIUS and
>VICTIM for completely default users.

all roads lead to that shit.

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368. "I end up agreeing with Matthew Yglesias a lot. "
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"...A bit can be funny and have sound politics (I think John Oliver tries hard to do this, and so did Al Franken during the years before he decided to run for office), but fundamentally “making people laugh” and “expressing ideas that make sense” are pretty different. I usually find standup routines to be tedious even when they’re funny (there’s no story, no stakes) so I don’t think I’m going to watch a bunch more Chappelle specials. But if I was hanging out with someone who did want to watch one, I bet I’d laugh and have an okay time. The political views expressed are still not great, but who cares?

Well, obviously a lot of people — especially transgender people — do care, and they want this routine labeled harmful and taken down off Netflix. And to be clear, I am not asking anyone to enjoy him or praise him or watch his specials. These people at the Economist hailing him as a great hero for daring to piss off trans activists are being ridiculous.

But I’ll say roughly the same thing I said in “Joe Rogan and the Doomed Politics of Shunning” — I don’t think trying to arm-twist people into shunning everyone who expresses a widely-held viewpoint that trans activists disagree with is going to accomplish anything useful. Unlike a standup routine, this is political action, and it deserves to be judged based on whether or not it makes sense as political action. And the answer is that it does not; it serves to narrow the progressive coalition and make everything — including tangible progress on trans rights — harder."



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373. "Yeah"
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esp the last part.

i mean, i'm sure if i was a trans rights activist i would give two fucks what someone with no stakes finds 'useful' ... but if netflix caved and took this down it would ultimately be a bigger W for the ted cruz crowd than anyone else

these conservatives who are big upping dave have even less interest in what he's saying than the people mad at him who didn't watch the special. they just know libs are mad at him and that's enough.. and even though they have their own brand of canceling people, they know its something that's generally associated with the left.


  

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378. "cave to who? they aren't asking for it to be taken down"
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but you're too dumb to know that because you listen to matt yglesias the dumbest sack of shit on the pile LOL

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380. "oh god, not you again"
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381. "lulz"
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386. "don't mind me"
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you're busy getting tricked by the dumbest motherfuckers in the room

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377. "imagine saying these words out loud"
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nobody's shunning you they just don't like you.

every time I think I've heard buddy say the dumbest shit he's ever said, he tops it.


now dude openly says he agrees with a person whose entire existence depends on telling middle-aged white men that they're right and everyone else is wrong.

calling buddy a boot licking piece of shit is disrespectful to the art of boot licking


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531. "who, the Vox guy?"
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>now dude openly says he agrees with a person whose entire
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379. "Anyone following the Levine story (politics)"
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Feels the same as the Jenner line
Levine is being touted as the 'first female' 4 star admiral
Levine transitioned to a female...which of course is sending bigots into a spiral

I thought the story was interesting and relevant to Dave's commentary given the Jenner line...but also

Shouldn't we be more focused on the bigoted elected officals...like Boebert...instead of a celebrity

I appreciate everyone's right to express themselves...but I feel like all of this energy being directed at Dave by the LGBT community is misdirected

Cancel Dave...but not Boebert (and the likes)...?
You know, the actual policy makers in this country

and then you factor in the racial dynamic

It's interesting to see some of the stories post The Closer
...like Gruden...
but the Levine story is much more relevant IMO...and I haven't seen it discussed much

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388. "Even if you're a fan of Dave, you might have to admit...."
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....that in this case he just didn't stick the landing.

He's been harping on Trans for at least three specials now? At a certain point anything he says about transgender folk is just gonna read as disrespect because he keeps going back to that well, with diminishing returns I might add.

Should have listened to the RZA- Make it brief, son, half short and twice strong.

Secondly, as someone who deals with discrimination complaints for a living, I can tell you that perception is everything. While I think he's right in saying that LGBT people shouldn't punch down on other minority groups the wrong way to go about it was the "see I have a trans friend too!" route. One individual cannot represent the concerns of a whole group of people which is why the same "i have a black friend" excuse from racists falls flat.

What I think we're left with is despite him being lauded as one of the best at his craft is that he's not infallible, and probably pushed the needle a little too far into the red. And that's not just being edgy sometimes. Sometimes it's just plain falling flat and failing to land your point.


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390. "If all you got from that was I have a trans friend too"
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...then I don't know what to say

and it was the GZA

  

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394. "RE: If all you got from that was I have a trans friend too"
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Similarly, if you didn’t get that that is the perception from much of the trans community at this point because he’s been droning on about them so long, I don’t know what to say.

At a certain point, if you just go on and on and on and on about any subject, especially to people en mass’s, nuance is gonna get lost.


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391. "IMO Dave always pushed the needle too far"
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it was okay when it was white folk

but questioning the white LBGTQ’s definitely has people on edge because we are taught they are off limits

and Dave has always pushed those limits.

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392. "if he really pushed the needle to far about white people"
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then why do they love his jokes enough to make him cancel his own show and fly to Africa because he didn't like how much white people liked it?

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400. "because he didn’t just push it too far with white people"
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he pushed it too far with Black jokes too.

Way too many nigga nigga niggas and the Black face Bell hop was prolly the moment he realized he went too far.

and that’s why I think Dave is like Family Guy.

Nothing is off limits.

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406. "but I heard you can't go too far in comedy. everything is in bounds"
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396. "He wasn't just "questioning white LGBTQ's" though."
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He was making jokes about genitals and misgendering, sticking up for JK Rowling (a rich white woman btw) and calling himself a TERF.

If he wants to critique the racist undertones in white LGBTQ activism, he shouldn't make jokes (bad ones at that) targeting trans people as a whole while aligning himself with transphobes.

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393. "not only that"
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it makes the LGBTQ look bad. now it's okay for degenerates
who watched those diatribes to go around making fun of that
community because dave chappelle did it.

he should have left that sh*t alone. if he f*cks up in any way
moving forward, he will be torn to shreds.

  

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399. "I dont think anyone is waiting for Dave’s cosign before joking those g..."
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I seriously doubt people are like

“nah.. leave those good people alone.. OH WAIT!!!!, Dave said its okay now!!!”



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403. "you would be amazed"
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408. "Come on now"
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Nah, nobody is waiting on Dave.

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412. "sometimes I wonder if you are a real person.. lol"
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420. "lol"
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397. "thought it was a decent special"
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comedy will die if society forces comics to use "approved" material

  

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401. "Dave says it's untrue that he was invited to speak to trans"
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community at Netflix

Here's the video
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVde5tAFT4H

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402. "He said a BUNCH of more shit too"
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https://variety.com/2021/film/news/dave-chappelle-netflix-the-closer-trans-employees-1235097068/

He's lost it COMPLETELY now. (Note: He hasn't lost his money, his fans, or his platforms.)

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410. "Did you read the article you linked"
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He has to put out his doc film and it's only going to be 10 cities.

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424. "It cost $50 or more to see the documentary (Arena shows)"
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>He has to put out his doc film and it's only going to be 10
>cities.

Vanity project from 50 x millionaire going to be shown in stage theaters (not movies theaters) and arenas.

https://www.targetcenter.com/events/detail/untitled-dave-chappelle

That's a 20,000 seat arena. You count that as "1" theater, like where they show Ron's Gone Wrong?? It's playing at Madison Square Garden FFS.

Each venue half sold at the lowest cost will net him $500,000 per showing. If he sells out and the average ticket cost is $75 it'll be $15,000,000 raked in.

Block Party - done at a time when he was arguably hotter --opened in 1,200 theatres and made less that 12 million dollars. (I saw it in Houston - so he got my $9 dollars.)

If he wants it to be seen he can give it to Netflix for $25 million.

It'll make for a blockbuster Joe Rogan episode soon. (Joe Rogan is opening for him on Nov 28th in New Orleans.)

This is all about EGO, entitlement and whining.

I'd be *exactly* the same way if I was rich and had so many sycophantic stans.

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429. "RE: It cost $50 or more to see the documentary (Arena shows)"
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>Each venue half sold at the lowest cost will net him $500,000
>per showing. If he sells out and the average ticket cost is
>$75 it'll be $15,000,000 raked in.

Dude, the cheapest available tix at Chase Center in SF are $282.50. Those are in the lower part of the upper deck to the left of the stage. Not sure how much actual nosebleeds are, but they couldn't be for much less.. if any less at all.

The most expensive general admission tix left are $557.50 ea.


Chase Center seats 18,000+.

LOL

  

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415. "damn no charlotte stop on the movie tour"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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427. "Yeah that's why I linked the video."
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I'm not understanding the rationale behind responding to the video link with a link to an article about the video. That was odd lol.

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421. "Poor Hannah Gadsby"
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she keeps getting dragged into this. I don't blame her for being like keep my name out your fucking mouths

He's right about the not funny thing tho

  

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422. "Damn she caught a stray there"
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I watched a few of her videos, chuckled a few times but nothing to fall down laughing there

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404. "for someone who said he's done, he's surely still talking about it"
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maybe because his skin isnt as tough as he presents on stage

maybe because he isnt as infallible as the people who laugh at everything he says have led him to believe he is

he's clearly feeling pressure even if his pockets arent affected the same as Da Baby

  

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407. "He is suppose to talk about it "
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if the media putting out lies.

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409. "lol"
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senpai is not going to notice you

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who ?

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414. "he aint got a point and he never has lol"
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417. "how can you laugh? the media is putting out lieeeeees"
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about your precious senpai

you must defend him

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419. "oooooooooooooo dave is the senpai"
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lmao

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413. "I doubt its any of those things"
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Dave isn’t some tough guy..

just a comedian with a mic.


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didn't you move to a farm in the middle of nowhere ohio?

now you want to be in the office? nah man you work from home

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425. "Isn't it strange a comedian is generating this much press and mentions?"
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Like this much talk would make sense if a President or civic leader said it, but seems overblown from the left and the right.

The right want to make him into some weird hero who should speak at the next GOP convention and it seems the left knows talking about it will get them clicks and views.

Doesn't seem to be a sense of proportion about anything these days.

How much more can the dead horse be beaten?

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428. "^^^A grown man bragging that he got a fridge that looks like an X-box "
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434. "thank you for engaging with my very interesting content"
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more to the point I'm kind of embarrassed I bought it

but this kind of behavior has literally paid for my entire lifestyle for more than a decade so I guess it's working out.

thanks for the perspective!

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430. "This is a great question to ask Dave."
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>How much more can the dead horse be beaten?

  

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432. "LOL exactly right."
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433. "lol fair"
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435. "I mean, he's the one who did this. "
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He's the one who decided that trans people should be a significant focal point of what, 3?? 4? of his comedy specials.

He came out of retirement, and devoted a significant amount of his routine on this subject, over the course of multiple specials.

He straight up said, "gender is a fact", which is exactly wrong, and one of the biggest sticking points to anti-trans rhetoric.

No amount of rationalizing or pivoting to find a new angle on the issue can escape these basic facts. This is entirely a bed of his own making.

He can tout his friend all he wants, and her family can support him all they want. At best, he's in the same category as the white guy with racist views, who relies heavily on dog whistling and narrow talking points to mask his racism, and touts his token black friend who agrees with all of his racist talking points as a shield from criticism of those talking points.

That isn't to say that the white and Dave are in the same category as people in the hierarchy of society, to be clear. But within this particular scope, they intersect broadly.

Dave brought the horse to the show.
Dave paraded said horse through another show.
Dave showed up with the horse to yet another show.

Davv is feeding and watering the horse, yet no parts of the shit and piss that happens when you feed and water that horse, and both he and his anti-trans supports want to pretend like it's everyone else keeping it alive.

That's just not the case.

  

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436. "Dave isn't merely "a comedian""
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He's not just some guy.
He's a generational talent with a huge fan base.

If, say, Dane Cook, right today, did this bit at a gig somewhere, that would constitute "a comedian" saying these things.

But Dave's not that.

He's a big deal.
His return to comedy was a huge deal.
Hence that huge bag he got for these specials.
Because they're a big deal.

He didn't make these comments in a vacuum.
He didn't tell one simple joke in one random performance.

He devoted significant time over the course of multiple specials to joking about trans people. He's made a running theme of it.

It just so happens that trans rights is a significant societal issue- particularly for trans people. And no, it's not alone. It's one issue among many, and yes, the treatment Black people continue to receive in this country is another one of them. The two are not mutually exclusive issues.

And yes, there is a discussion to be had about any disparity that exists with the fervency of advocacy given to both groups, by those outside those groups.

But Dave is a significant person, who has spent a significant amount of time on his rather significant platform talking about a significant issue at this point in time.

It's of absolutely no surprise that it's generating a significant amount of attention.

  

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456. "nah.. Dave IS a comedian"
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I think trying to make him more than that is part of the issue.

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460. ""merely" a comedian"
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Nobody is making him more than he is.

The question was, "Isn't it strange a comedian is generating this much press and mentions".

That question makes a little sense, until you take the considerable context into consideration.

And the fact is, he's one of the most significant comedians alive, doing three straight specials on the subject.

There's nothing remotely mystifying about the attention he's received for this.

  

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431. "Violence has been visited upon women since the beginning of time"
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Yet not one organization or person made any public criticism about his joke with the punchline "kick her in the pussy," offered for nothing more than gratuitous mention.

The selective outrage IS pretty damn disgusting.

I did indeed laugh at "it's not blood it's beet juice" after the impossible meat reference. That shit WAS funny.

It's clear that his exile after the Chappelle Show traumatized him in a way that he's still feeling a sort of way about the handling of a group, driven largely by the agendas of white men.

I think he could educate himself on the biology of it and have an informed discussion, but he is a comic and took great umbrage at the attack on the comedy/conclusion that the comic is REAL LIFE him.

The fact that the joke referenced at the beginning of this post didn't lead to the same pronouncements about REAL DAVE (he's a violent misogynist because of his jokes) could be driving his greatest indignation.








  

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437. "I think Cold Truth's response in #435 addresses this."
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>RE: Violence has been visited upon women since the beginning of time
>Yet not one organization or person made any public criticism about his joke with the punchline "kick her in the pussy," offered for nothing more than gratuitous mention.

Both issues can exist simultaneously. And there's likely a discussion to be had about the fervency of responses to these respective issues.

But that doesn't mean Dave should be spared criticism for his continued obsession with trans people and folks' response to it.

In fact it probably means the opposite; that we should re-examine how passive our responses have historically been to his and other comedians' misogynistic jokes both now and in the past.

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439. "Oh Dave, shoulda just stuck with the nigga jokes "
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said w/ the Dave mocking voice

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440. "3 specials is an obsession/beating a dead horse ? What ?"
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441. "Bro, even Jim Gaffigan laid off Hot Pockets after 2 specials."
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Lenny Bruce did it - and it made him UNFUNNY.

Carlin went in front of THE SUPREME COURT and only talked about it a couple of times.

So yes, 3 specials is an INSANE amount of time on the same subject area.

Guess he can't stop thinking about it?!?

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442. "Maher talks about the "woke left" every week."
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Most comedians go back to a bit they are known for over and over. Foxworthy is not doing any redneck jokes ? Fluffy is not talking about getting pulled over by the police ?

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443. "One of these things is not like the other."
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One of these things isn't even kind of the same.

Every comedian has some sort of hook to their act.

Dave becoming fixated on trans people isn't much of a hook.

It's not the same as Jeff, a redneck, talking about redneck shit. He absolutely doesn't work as an analog to what Dave is doing.

It's not the same as Maher spewing general boomer rhetoric- but he definitely has some problematic perspectives, for which he doesn't get called out nearly enough.

I recently saw an old clip with him and Sarah Silverman- two white Jews- telling an Asian man and a Black woman why they shouldn't be offended at racial jokes aimed squarely at their respective communities.

As I said earlier, there's certainly a discussion to be had regarding disparities of support for various groups.

And while Dave manages to carve out a punch line here and there in the midst of it, it largely comes across as him expressing his actual views on trans people.

"Gender is a fact" isn't a punchline. It's a falsehood, that is a cornerstone of anti-trans rhetoric, which he presented as a fact of reality.

Frankly, I don't think there's much that's sacred when it comes to comedy. But comics very often try to have it both ways, in that they want the creative license to say whatever they want, under the guise of "it's just jokes", but there's often a tendency to use those jokes to mask real viewpoints.

I get that plenty of people will feel offended even if a joke is just intended as a joke and nothing more. While I can certainly empathize, people have a tendency to laugh at fucked up shit aimed at things that don't hit close to home- while demanding that their personal bubble in the world be respected.

I don't think that's what's happening with Dave. I think Dave has expressed some views on trans people that are harmful at worst, and plain old, garden variety ignorance at best. But it doesn't come across as *just* a joke with him.

And so the examples you gave don't really translate to Dave.

The closer equivocations for what Dave is doing aren't really grounded in the craft of comedy, but in right wing/conservative commentary. This isn't, and never was, until recently, that is, Dave's working gimmick.

But he's devoted large pieces of three specials to the subject, and not in a favorable way. He's the one who pushed those buttons, repeatedly, and neither he nor his followers have much ground to cry foul on the negative response.

  

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444. "Nah people in this thread are using a double standard"
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Maher is not just talking about "boomer rhetoric" he makes it a point to say the "woke" left. Don't downplay what Maher is doing, when you are putting Dave in the same group as the white guy with racist views.

Dave talking about something for 3 specials is not Dave fixated, obsessed or beating a dead horse. When it's 5 or 10 specials, then you can use those labels but 3 nah.

Yeah Dave goes on a rant but he still has jokes so this is not some Dave is giving the signal for bigots and racist to attack trans. Which you didn't say but some this thread are pushing that narrative along with all the other crazy takes.

lol "right wing /conservative commentary what ?

I'm not calling these three specials Dave working a gimmick, just saying it's not an obsession.

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445. "but he definitely has some problematic perspectives, for which he doesn'..."
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"but he definitely has some problematic perspectives, for which he doesn't get called out nearly enough.

I recently saw an old clip with him and Sarah Silverman- two white Jews- telling an Asian man and a Black woman why they shouldn't be offended at racial jokes aimed squarely at their respective communities."

How do you ignore that?

You responded as though I didn't say that immediately after your quote mine. As though I didn't cite a specific example of his problematic perspective. It's admittedly an old one, in great partI don't follow Bill to know all the dumb shit he says, though I know enough to kmow that he's still fighting that fight. The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to generic boomer rhetoric though.

Far as the rest, I don't think Dave is signaling in that way. But he is absolutely spewing the rhetoric that fuels those same big bigots. This is why I got more specific with my tight wing conservative comparison, stating they there is a broad intersection there.

Whether or not he intends to cause harm is immaterial to the fact that his thoughts on the subject are harmful. I think there's a different discussion to be had if his jokes came across as *just* jokes, rather than a fait amount coming across as his genuine opinions, in the form of a joke.

This is a situation where his general focus is on invalidating individual gender identity, and that's where the harm is caused.

And I disagree in the obsession tip. Devoting so much to the subject over the course of three specials- including the one purported to be the final one under this deal- qualifies as obsession IMO. It's step one.

And while Dave may not be your traditional Rush Limbaugh type of monster here, these views coming from someone like him helps normalize that thinking.

A great example of why this isn't just jokes is his Da Baby commentary, because he completely glosses over the context for the Da Baby shooting in order to make his point. It's a blatant mischaracteruzation, in service of a reasonable point, which is undermined by the path he chose to get there. He opened it with the golden "secure the relese" line, then killed it with the l horrible ahooting example.

I think there's a way to comment on the swell of lgbtq support relative to alow, arduous process of equality for Black people, without giving it the "us vs them" oppression olympics slant.

But maybe "fixation" or "preoccupation" is more accurate and fair term. I could be persuaded to a different characterization, but as it stands, three specials worth looks a bit obsessive to me.

  

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457. "Giving full context on DaBaby’s shooting would ruin the joke"
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and that is what people need to realize.

Dave is a comedian.

He isn’t a news reporter who must give all the facts when setting up a joke.

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459. "But it wasn't in service to a joke. It was in service to an opinion"
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>and that is what people need to realize.
>
>Dave is a comedian.

Nope. He's trying to have it both ways here. It wasn't *just* a joke.

>He isn’t a news reporter who must give all the facts when
>setting up a joke.

that's his problem. If he's going to use something like that to setup a joke that very much comes across as an actual opinion, that's a mistake on his part.

The punchline was that you can kill people and be cool, but you better not hurt a gay person's feelings.

The whole point of the bit was about how well the gay/lgbtq rights movements has been going, relative to that of Black people.

The example he chose was Da Baby shooting someone, and people not flipping out on him the way they did for his comments.

It's one thing to distort facts for things that are largely benign, but when you do it for something like this, there are real world implications.

At worst, he was irresponsible there. At best,he chose a really bad example for the point- not the joke- he was making.

  

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461. "Still sounds like you are downplaying Maher "
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and his "woke left" obsession.

>"but he definitely has some problematic perspectives, for
>which he doesn't get called out nearly enough.
>
>I recently saw an old clip with him and Sarah Silverman- two
>white Jews- telling an Asian man and a Black woman why they
>shouldn't be offended at racial jokes aimed squarely at their
>respective communities."
>
>How do you ignore that?
>


You started with "boomer rhetoric" and used something from the past to say he has a problem, when Maher fixated on "woke" right now. He even defended Dave because it plays in to his dead horse about PC. It's not just a problematic perspective, Maher is obsessed, right ?

I don't follow Bill to know all the dumb shit he
>says, though I know enough to kmow that he's still fighting
>that fight. The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to
>generic boomer rhetoric though.
>

If you don't follow Maher then how could you reduce what I said he is doing to "boomer rhetoric" ?

>Far as the rest, I don't think Dave is signaling in that way.
>But he is absolutely spewing the rhetoric that fuels those
>same big bigots. This is why I got more specific with my tight
>wing conservative comparison, stating they there is a broad
>intersection there.
>

Bigots do not take cues from Dave they go straight to the source FOX News, Newsmax...etc

>Whether or not he intends to cause harm is immaterial to the
>fact that his thoughts on the subject are harmful. I think
>there's a different discussion to be had if his jokes came
>across as *just* jokes, rather than a fait amount coming
>across as his genuine opinions, in the form of a joke.
>

It's not immaterial when people in this thread act as if Dave's words will encourage or motivate bigots. That includes suggesting it will normalize transphobia.

>This is a situation where his general focus is on invalidating
>individual gender identity, and that's where the harm is
>caused.
>

I disagree with that. His general focus was not invalidating
individual gender identity, he's probably frustrated and angry.

>And I disagree in the obsession tip. Devoting so much to the
>subject over the course of three specials- including the one
>purported to be the final one under this deal- qualifies as
>obsession IMO. It's step one.

Here's the problem with calling it an obsession, the runtime on The Closer is an hour and some change. I'm going to say the other two specials probably clock in around the same runtime. So it's what 3 hours and 15 or 20 minutes total. That's not really enough time to call it an obsession even he talked about that group alone, from the beginning to end the whole time.

>And while Dave may not be your traditional Rush Limbaugh type
>of monster here, these views coming from someone like him
>helps normalize that thinking.
>

No it doesn't, you need more then three specials to normalize something.

>A great example of why this isn't just jokes is his Da Baby
>commentary, because he completely glosses over the context for
>the Da Baby shooting in order to make his point. It's a
>blatant mischaracteruzation, in service of a reasonable point,
>which is undermined by the path he chose to get there. He
>opened it with the golden "secure the relese" line, then
>killed it with the l horrible ahooting example.


Yeah the joke landed but I can see where it would hurt the point he was making if it's mischaracterized.

>I think there's a way to comment on the swell of lgbtq support
>relative to alow, arduous process of equality for Black
>people, without giving it the "us vs them" oppression olympics
>slant.
>

I didn't see it as us vs them oppressions olympics. He was defending himself from attacks.

>But maybe "fixation" or "preoccupation" is more accurate and
>fair term. I could be persuaded to a different
>characterization, but as it stands, three specials worth looks
>a bit obsessive to me.

Fixation and preoccupation is still wrong. Those labels just like obsession makes it worse then it is.

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464. "I'm not, not at all. "
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>You started with "boomer rhetoric" and used something from
>the past to say he has a problem, when Maher fixated on "woke"
>right now. He even defended Dave because it plays in to his
>dead horse about PC. It's not just a problematic perspective,
>Maher is obsessed, right?

Problematic and obsessed are two different things.

Both he and Dave are problematic. Sure, I'll agree that Bill is obsessed with "woke" thinking. I have no problem with that.

Thing is, Bill has a weekly show.

Dave does not. You're not even looking at each of them within the context of what they do.

Dave has devoted significant portions of time to his last three major specials to this subject. He doesn't need to do it weekly to qualify as obsessed.

>I don't follow Bill to know all the dumb shit he
>>says, though I know enough to kmow that he's still fighting
>>that fight. The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to
>>generic boomer rhetoric though.
>
>If you don't follow Maher then how could you reduce what I
>said he is doing to "boomer rhetoric" ?

"The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to generic boomer rhetoric though."

Most of what I hear from him amounts to that. I'm not going through him with a fine tooth comb, any more than I'm going through Dave, to find out everything he says on every issue. I gave my perspective on it, and really have no issue taking your word that it's far worse than that. So ok.

>>Far as the rest, I don't think Dave is signaling in that
>way.
>>But he is absolutely spewing the rhetoric that fuels those
>>same big bigots. This is why I got more specific with my
>tight
>>wing conservative comparison, stating they there is a broad
>>intersection there.
>>
>
>Bigots do not take cues from Dave they go straight to the
>source FOX News, Newsmax...etc

You say this as though the only bigots in existence are white conservatives. That's just not the case.

Further, you act like those entities don't use any minority who has common ground with their views to help bolster their case.

>It's not immaterial when people in this thread act as if
>Dave's words will encourage or motivate bigots. That includes
>suggesting it will normalize transphobia.

What are you talking about?
Transphobia has already been normalized.
The goal is to normalize acceptance of trans people in our society- something many, including Dave, are undermining.

And yes, people are influenced by famous people all the time. Dave isn't the exception there, and any time where talking about some form of hate speech

>>This is a situation where his general focus is on
>invalidating
>>individual gender identity, and that's where the harm is
>>caused.
>>
>
>I disagree with that. His general focus was not invalidating
>individual gender identity, he's probably frustrated and
>angry.

"probably frustrated and angry"?

Dave said "gender is a FACT".

He's wrong. Even if we scaled down to the bare minimum here, and said that isn't his focus, the fact that he says this is the fucking ribbon on these three specials.

His story about fighting the gender non-conforming woman, and the way he spoke about her, walks hand in hand with this.

So even with creating a higher bar, and saying it's not his primary focus, the fact remains, he actively and directly made comments that attempt to invalidate- and ridicule- individual, non-conforming gender identity.

This isn't remotely debatable.

>Here's the problem with calling it an obsession, the runtime
>on The Closer is an hour and some change. I'm going to say the
>other two specials probably clock in around the same runtime.
>So it's what 3 hours and 15 or 20 minutes total. That's not
>really enough time to call it an obsession even he talked
>about that group alone, from the beginning to end the whole
>time.

Yeah, no. There's no common ground here. Three specials is more than enough.

>>Ad while Dave may not be your traditional Rush Limbaugh
>type
>>of monster here, these views coming from someone like him
>>helps normalize that thinking.
>>
>
>No it doesn't, you need more then three specials to normalize
>something.

You're wrong. Transphobia is already normalized. He's putting in work to help keep it that way.


>I didn't see it as us vs them oppression olympics. He was
>defending himself from attacks.

What attacks? He spent three specials making fun of trans people.

People responded.

And now, it's "I just want us to have the same support they do".

Thing is, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.

He could have made that point without the path he chose to get there.

He didn't.

>>But maybe "fixation" or "preoccupation" is more accurate and
>>fair term. I could be persuaded to a different
>>characterization, but as it stands, three specials worth
>looks
>>a bit obsessive to me.
>
>Fixation and preoccupation is still wrong. Those labels just
>like obsession makes it worse then it is.

Only if you're reading it in an extreme, overly literal sense.

This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of other white people, never being able to accept that something is racist, just because it wasn't an overtly over the top act. To a lot of white people, it's not racist until specific words are said.

Talking to you about this is very similar to talking to them about that. You want a really high threshold to consider it transphobic.

That's just not the case.

  

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467. "You making excuses for him"
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>>You started with "boomer rhetoric" and used something from
>>the past to say he has a problem, when Maher fixated on
>"woke"
>>right now. He even defended Dave because it plays in to his
>>dead horse about PC. It's not just a problematic
>perspective,
>>Maher is obsessed, right?
>
>Problematic and obsessed are two different things.

I didn't say they were the same.

>Both he and Dave are problematic. Sure, I'll agree that Bill
>is obsessed with "woke" thinking. I have no problem with that.
>

It seems like you do have a problem with admitting it.

>Thing is, Bill has a weekly show.
>

This is what I mean, you are making excuses for Maher.

>Dave does not. You're not even looking at each of them within
>the context of what they do.
>

They are comedians with a large platform, the fact that Maher has weekly show means he should be more responsible.

>Dave has devoted significant portions of time to his last
>three major specials to this subject. He doesn't need to do it
>weekly to qualify as obsessed.
>

Dave's specials still will not add up to the number of weeks Maher is on the air, and the guest he brings on the show who co-sign his obsession.


>
>"The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to generic
>boomer rhetoric though."
>
>Most of what I hear from him amounts to that. I'm not going
>through him with a fine tooth comb, any more than I'm going
>through Dave, to find out everything he says on every issue. I
>gave my perspective on it, and really have no issue taking
>your word that it's far worse than that. So ok.
>

It doesn't take a fine tooth comb, what I read came from articles on political websites and entertainment websites.


>>>
>>
>>Bigots do not take cues from Dave they go straight to the
>>source FOX News, Newsmax...etc
>
>You say this as though the only bigots in existence are white
>conservatives. That's just not the case.
>

It's bigots, I have no problem including all bigots even if they are not white conservative, I still say they are not using Dave specials as a source.

>Further, you act like those entities don't use any minority
>who has common ground with their views to help bolster their
>case.
>

You are giving them too much credit. Bigots are not looking for a strong argument to support their views so they can persuade people to see the logical, reasonable side of being a bigot. They are bigots.

>>It's not immaterial when people in this thread act as if
>>Dave's words will encourage or motivate bigots. That
>includes
>>suggesting it will normalize transphobia.
>
>What are you talking about?

I'm talking about this "these views coming from someone like him helps normalize that thinking" doesn't sound like you are saying Dave is undermining the goal to normalize acceptance of trans people.

>Transphobia has already been normalized.
>The goal is to normalize acceptance of trans people in our
>society- something many, including Dave, are undermining.
>

So Davie is normalizing undermining the goal in 3 specials ? He's that powerful ?

>And yes, people are influenced by famous people all the time.
>Dave isn't the exception there, and any time where talking
>about some form of hate speech
>

People are influenced so much all it takes is 3 specials.

>>>This is a situation where his general focus is on
>>invalidating
>>>individual gender identity, and that's where the harm is
>>>caused.
>>>
>>

>
>"probably frustrated and angry"?
>
>Dave said "gender is a FACT".
>
>He's wrong. Even if we scaled down to the bare minimum here,
>and said that isn't his focus, the fact that he says this is
>the fucking ribbon on these three specials.
>
>His story about fighting the gender non-conforming woman, and
>the way he spoke about her, walks hand in hand with this.
>
>So even with creating a higher bar, and saying it's not his
>primary focus, the fact remains, he actively and directly made
>comments that attempt to invalidate- and ridicule- individual,
>non-conforming gender identity.
>

He told jokes mixed with his opinion. Just like every other comedian.

>This isn't remotely debatable.
>

Yes it is.


>
>Yeah, no. There's no common ground here. Three specials is
>more than enough.
>

No it's not.


>
>You're wrong. Transphobia is already normalized. He's putting
>in work to help keep it that way.
>

By starting in 2019 and saying he will stop talking about it after this special. 3 hours is not going to "keep it that way."


>
>What attacks? He spent three specials making fun of trans
>people.
>
>People responded.
>

You think that's all ? People responded and nothing else.

>And now, it's "I just want us to have the same support they
>do".
>
>Thing is, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
>
>He could have made that point without the path he chose to get
>there.
>
>He didn't.


It's nothing he could say or do unless it was begging.


>>
>>Fixation and preoccupation is still wrong. Those labels
>just
>>like obsession makes it worse then it is.
>
>Only if you're reading it in an extreme, overly literal sense.
>
>
>This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of
>other white people, never being able to accept that something
>is racist, just because it wasn't an overtly over the top act.
>To a lot of white people, it's not racist until specific words
>are said.

No nothing funny about this, sounds like the reverse racism argument used by white conservatives. It's the second time you connected a Black mans point of view to racist white people defending racism as if that defense of racism does not come with a ton of baggage and history. It trivializes racism to make a point.

>Talking to you about this is very similar to talking to them
>about that. You want a really high threshold to consider it
>transphobic.
>
>That's just not the case.

My issues is with using obsession/dead horse/fixated. Telling a Black man that his disagreement over the use of certain labels is similar to whites defending racism is not a good look.

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472. "No, you just want that to be the case. "
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>>>You started with "boomer rhetoric" and used something
>from
>>>the past to say he has a problem, when Maher fixated on
>>"woke"
>>>right now. He even defended Dave because it plays in to his
>>>dead horse about PC. It's not just a problematic
>>perspective,
>>>Maher is obsessed, right?
>>
>>Problematic and obsessed are two different things.
>
>I didn't say they were the same.
>
>>Both he and Dave are problematic. Sure, I'll agree that Bill
>>is obsessed with "woke" thinking. I have no problem with
>that.
>>
>
>It seems like you do have a problem with admitting it.

... except that I accepted it, without a problem, and this is your response. You're now a dishonest actor.

>>Thing is, Bill has a weekly show.
>>
>
>This is what I mean, you are making excuses for Maher.

No, it's not me making excuses for him. Not remotely close to that. But again- you're a dishonest actor, who is not having this discussion in good faith.

>>Dave does not. You're not even looking at each of them
>within
>>the context of what they do.

>They are comedians with a large platform, the fact that Maher
>has weekly show means he should be more responsible.

Show me where I said that he shouldn't be? In fact, I agreed with you in another post that he should be.

But again- you're a dishonest actor. You're talking to me from the standpoint of what you seem to want my position to be, not what it actually is. You're making serious leaps to get to this conclusion.

>>Dave has devoted significant portions of time to his last
>>three major specials to this subject. He doesn't need to do
>it
>>weekly to qualify as obsessed.
>>
>
>Dave's specials still will not add up to the number of weeks
>Maher is on the air, and the guest he brings on the show who
>co-sign his obsession.


>It's bigots, I have no problem including all bigots even if
>they are not white conservative, I still say they are not
>using Dave specials as a source.

Please. Bigots use everything at their disposal, that can be remotely construed to help bolster their position. And high profile minorities are their fucking favorites.

>You are giving them too much credit. Bigots are not looking
>for a strong argument to support their views so they can
>persuade people to see the logical, reasonable side of being a
>bigot. They are bigots.

You're completely wrong here. Bigots, like any other group, absolutely want a basis to support their beliefs. It's like you don't know that people like Ben Shapiro exist. It's hilarious that you said this, considering you cited Fox and Newsmax, who are always trying to rationalize their awful views.

>So Davie is normalizing undermining the goal in 3 specials?
>He's that powerful ?

Powerful? Odd term there.

Visible is the better term. He's a name. And people live to point out when notable people agree with them.

You're also framing this in an obtuse way. Nobody is saying Dave is the end-all be-all lesder of the transphobes, creating and inciting all the transphobes but that's how you seem to be framing it.

>>And yes, people are influenced by famous people all the
>time.
>>Dave isn't the exception there, and any time where talking
>>about some form of hate speech
>>
>
>People are influenced so much all it takes is 3 specials.

It's like you think transphobia either doesn't exist, or ceased to exist at some point, and think those of us who aren't accepting this from Dave, are arguing that Dave is somehow the cause of all of it.

It's like you don't grasp the difference between contribution to a problem, and the cause of a problem.

I'm sure you understand that difference, actually. But your too busy being disingenuous to stop yourself from this dishonest framing.

>>He's wrong. Even if we scaled down to the bare minimum here,
>>and said that isn't his focus, the fact that he says this is
>>the fucking ribbon on these three specials.
>>
>>His story about fighting the gender non-conforming woman,
>and
>>the way he spoke about her, walks hand in hand with this.
>>
>>So even with creating a higher bar, and saying it's not his
>>primary focus, the fact remains, he actively and directly
>made
>>comments that attempt to invalidate- and ridicule-
>individual,
>>non-conforming gender identity.
>>
>
>He told jokes mixed with his opinion. Just like every other
>comedian.

Yes, and when those opinions are factually incorrect, and the foundation of most, if not all, transphobia, that's a problem.

What's sad is, I know exactly how you'll try to (incorrectly) twist that statement.

>>This isn't remotely debatable.
>Yes it is.

No, it's not. It's what actually happened.

I skipped all the other shit between this and the next point, because all that bullshit is covered under my reply about the way you've chosen to frame this.

>>What attacks? He spent three specials making fun of trans
>>people.
>>
>>People responded.
>>
>
>You think that's all ? People responded and nothing else.

I literally asked. You could have explained, but you didn't.

>>And now, it's "I just want us to have the same support they
>>do".
>>
>>Thing is, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
>>
>>He could have made that point without the path he chose to
>get
>>there.
>>
>>He didn't.
>
>
>It's nothing he could say or do unless it was begging.

LMAO, no, you're right. A fundamentally dishonest and contextually false premise was the ONLY way he could POSSIBLY get to his point.

Do you even realize that you do this shit? Or is it so innate to who you are that you don't even notice?

>>This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of
>>other white people, never being able to accept that
>something
>>is racist, just because it wasn't an overtly over the top
>act.
>>To a lot of white people, it's not racist until specific
>words
>>are said.
>
>No nothing funny about this, sounds like the reverse racism
>argument used by white conservatives.

Nope. But as I said, you certainly want that to be the case.

>It's the second time
>you connected a Black mans point of view to racist white
>people defending racism as if that defense of racism does not
>come with a ton of baggage and history. It trivializes racism
>to make a point.

It's the second time I pointed out the same tact being used. The content is immaterial to the tact. And the tact here, is finding every angle you possibly can to deny, dismiss, and downplay what is actually pretty clear bigotry.

What I said doesn't come remotely close to "trivializing" a goddamned thing. That you're comfortable doing the same shit is on you, but me pointing it out the tact you've chosen to employ in no way trivializes racism. But it certainly holds a light up to bigotry as a whole, and the tendency bigots have to make every effort to downplay bigotry.

And it's a bit ironic that you said that I "trivialized racism to make a point", considering that's exactly what Dave has done with trans people.

>>Talking to you about this is very similar to talking to them

>My issues is with using obsession/dead horse/fixated. Telling
>a Black man that his disagreement over the use of certain
>labels is similar to whites defending racism is not a good
>look.

I'm specifically referring to the tact being used, the downplaying, deflecting, dismissing, of transphobia across Dave's three specials.

But hey, it's easier to do what you just did, rather than deal with that.

  

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>>It seems like you do have a problem with admitting it.
>
>... except that I accepted it, without a problem, and this is
>your response. You're now a dishonest actor.
>

"It's not the same as Maher spewing general boomer rhetoric" <=== Is not excepting it without a problem especially when follow that with " don't follow Bill to know all the dumb shit he says"

lol you are in this thread in pst where I was not talking to you saying "I know what you are doing so I will do this... see how that works." What's hones about doing that, making false accusations ?


>>This is what I mean, you are making excuses for Maher.
>
>No, it's not me making excuses for him. Not remotely close to
>that. But again- you're a dishonest actor, who is not having
>this discussion in good faith.
>

"It's not the same as Maher spewing general boomer rhetoric" -U

"I don't follow Bill to know all the dumb shit he says" -U

"The bulk of what I've heard from him amounts to generic boomer rhetoric though." -U

That's not good faith, you are all over the place and you got the nerve to pat yourself on the back talking about you accepted it without a problem.


>
>Show me where I said that he shouldn't be? In fact, I agreed
>with you in another post that he should be.

You are the one that keeps saying Bill has a weekly show

>But again- you're a dishonest actor. You're talking to me from
>the standpoint of what you seem to want my position to be, not
>what it actually is. You're making serious leaps to get to
>this conclusion.
>

I don't want anything, your words speak volumes even if you try to hide or backpedal. Everything you say is right here as you bend and twist to get around the obvious. That's why you rushed into replies where I answered another persons question.


>
>
>>It's bigots, I have no problem including all bigots even if
>>they are not white conservative, I still say they are not
>>using Dave specials as a source.
>
>Please. Bigots use everything at their disposal, that can be
>remotely construed to help bolster their position. And high
>profile minorities are their fucking favorites.

They don't need to bolster their position, they are playing to each other they will go along with anything, they know it's bullshit and they don't care, why are you having hard time getting that.

>>You are giving them too much credit. Bigots are not looking
>>for a strong argument to support their views so they can
>>persuade people to see the logical, reasonable side of being
>a
>>bigot. They are bigots.
>
>You're completely wrong here. Bigots, like any other group,
>absolutely want a basis to support their beliefs. It's like
>you don't know that people like Ben Shapiro exist. It's
>hilarious that you said this, considering you cited Fox and
>Newsmax, who are always trying to rationalize their awful
>views.
>

You are completely gullible if you think Ben Shapiro is serious. He is Glen Beck, Alex Jones, and all of the garbage that push lies and ridiculous arguments. You think they believe Biden, Obama, Bill and any Democrat is going to take the guns ? You believe that care about the unborn child ?

Yes I said Fox News
https://apnews.com/article/joe-biden-business-health-arts-and-entertainment-fox-corp-26096a8781c7c7f1d6c0ddff98a5fe6d

They are trying to rationalize anything. They know it's lies and they don't care.

>>So Davie is normalizing undermining the goal in 3 specials?
>>He's that powerful ?
>
>Powerful? Odd term there.
>

Yes something weak can undermine the goal of normalizing trans people. smh

>Visible is the better term. He's a name. And people live to
>point out when notable people agree with them.
>

Right because people pointing out that a "high profile minority" agrees with them will undermine the the goal of normalizing trans people, given how "visible" Dave is with his three specials.

>You're also framing this in an obtuse way. Nobody is saying
>Dave is the end-all be-all lesder of the transphobes, creating
>and inciting all the transphobes but that's how you seem to be
>framing it.
>

No that's the way you framed it. I said calling three specials obsessed or fixated is wrong. You said Dave is causing harm and undermining the goal of normalizing trans people.

>>>And yes, people are influenced by famous people all the
>>time.
>>>Dave isn't the exception there, and any time where talking
>>>about some form of hate speech
>>>
>>
>>People are influenced so much all it takes is 3 specials.
>
>It's like you think transphobia either doesn't exist, or
>ceased to exist at some point, and think those of us who
>aren't accepting this from Dave, are arguing that Dave is
>somehow the cause of all of it.
>

I never argued or said anything like that. You said Dave was normalizing and invalidating individual gender identity and then that rabbit hole just went deeper and deeper. I never said anyone had to accept anything from Dave. I never said transphobia doesn't exist or ceased to exist. Nope never said anything about those who aren't accepting of that are arguing Dave is somehow the cause of it all. I have no idea why you made all that up.


>It's like you don't grasp the difference between contribution
>to a problem, and the cause of a problem.
>
>I'm sure you understand that difference, actually. But your
>too busy being disingenuous to stop yourself from this
>dishonest framing.
>

You are stuck on arguing against something I didn't say and it was only a few paragraphs ago that you accused me of talking to you from
the standpoint of what I seem to want your position to be, not
what it actually is. which is just ridiculous. You called yourself out lol

>>>He's wrong. Even if we scaled down to the bare minimum
>here,
>>>and said that isn't his focus, the fact that he says this
>is
>>>the fucking ribbon on these three specials.
>>>
>>>His story about fighting the gender non-conforming woman,
>>and
>>>the way he spoke about her, walks hand in hand with this.
>>>
>>>So even with creating a higher bar, and saying it's not his
>>>primary focus, the fact remains, he actively and directly
>>made
>>>comments that attempt to invalidate- and ridicule-
>>individual,
>>>non-conforming gender identity.
>>>
>

Lol "Ribbon" it's not a race. He talked about suicide he did a stereotypical Asian voice and he talked about poor whites more than once. Call it bad jokes or going too far is one thing but obsessed and fixated or an attempt to invalidate and ridicule individual,
non-conforming gender identity, nah

>>He told jokes mixed with his opinion. Just like every other
>>comedian.
>
>Yes, and when those opinions are factually incorrect, and the
>foundation of most, if not all, transphobia, that's a problem.
>
>
>What's sad is, I know exactly how you'll try to (incorrectly)
>twist that statement.

Ok Nostradamus here is my answer

I skipped all the other shit between this and the next point,
because all that bullshit is covered under my reply about the way you've chosen to make up shit I didn't say about transphobia

.
>
>>>What attacks? He spent three specials making fun of trans
>>>people.
>>>
>>>People responded.
>>>
>>
>>You think that's all ? People responded and nothing else.
>
>I literally asked. You could have explained, but you didn't.
>

Damn you need an explanation. People scaring away investors for his movie is probably not the only thing thing that happen or the first thing. We only know about this because he talked about it and he is putting the movie out. Pull your head out the sand and look around.

>>>And now, it's "I just want us to have the same support they
>>>do".
>>>
>>>Thing is, those two things aren't mutually exclusive.
>>>
>>>He could have made that point without the path he chose to
>>get
>>>there.
>>>
>>>He didn't.
>>
>>
>>It's nothing he could say or do unless it was begging.
>
>LMAO, no, you're right. A fundamentally dishonest and
>contextually false premise was the ONLY way he could POSSIBLY
>get to his point.
>

They are not trying to have a discussion that's why you see people who support him getting attacked.

>Do you even realize that you do this shit? Or is it so innate
>to who you are that you don't even notice?
>

I realize that you got tunnel vision and all you do is make up stuff in you head about what someone is thinking, doing or about to say. You talk about tact and waste a lot of time making arguments that have nothing to do with the discussion.

>>>This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of
>>>other white people, never being able to accept that
>>something
>>>is racist, just because it wasn't an overtly over the top
>>act.
>>>To a lot of white people, it's not racist until specific
>>words
>>>are said.
>>
>>No nothing funny about this, sounds like the reverse racism
>>argument used by white conservatives.
>
>Nope. But as I said, you certainly want that to be the case.
>

It's right there in black and white. Dave's special is not similar to a white person defending racism. Discussing this on a message board is not similar to a white person defending racism.

>>It's the second time
>>you connected a Black mans point of view to racist white
>>people defending racism as if that defense of racism does
>not
>>come with a ton of baggage and history. It trivializes
>racism
>>to make a point.
>
>It's the second time I pointed out the same tact being used.
>The content is immaterial to the tact. And the tact here, is
>finding every angle you possibly can to deny, dismiss, and
>downplay what is actually pretty clear bigotry.
>

You can call it pointing out a tact all you want but it's a horrible take that no excuse will help you save face. Practice what you preach and take the advice you gave to Dave. Is it something else you could say this was similar too without putting on the hood and robe ?

>What I said doesn't come remotely close to "trivializing" a
>goddamned thing. That you're comfortable doing the same shit
>is on you, but me pointing it out the tact you've chosen to
>employ in no way trivializes racism. But it certainly holds a
>light up to bigotry as a whole, and the tendency bigots have
>to make every effort to downplay bigotry.
>

You said a white person who defends racism is similar. That trivializes racism and given the benefit white people get from racism, the long history of death and trauma that go hand and hand with racism. Do you believe Dave or any Black man is getting similar benefits from transphobia ? Do you believe Dave or any Black man is directly connected to the death and trauma of transphobia that a white person is to racism ?

>And it's a bit ironic that you said that I "trivialized racism
>to make a point", considering that's exactly what Dave has
>done with trans people.

The irony is this in not your first time down this path.


>
>I'm specifically referring to the tact being used, the
>downplaying, deflecting, dismissing, of transphobia across
>Dave's three specials.
>
>But hey, it's easier to do what you just did, rather than deal
>with that.

Yeah the "tact' excuse doesn't work you did exactly what you said Dave was doing, I think there's way to comment on the Dave specials or discussions about them without saying they are similar to a white person defending racism.

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450. "imagine thinking that Maher is an example of a double standard"
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dude is a well known bigoted shithead and there is no one who outside of the losers who go on his show that thinks otherwise

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>dude is a well known bigoted shithead and there is no one who
>outside of the losers who go on his show that thinks
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463. "Well some on this board think otherwise"
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but the point is Maher is doing worse and getting a pass.

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465. "He shouldn't be."
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>but the point is Maher is doing worse and getting a pass.

I said it above, but I'll take you at your word on that.

So if that's the case, he shouldn't be getting a pass.

  

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468. "a pass from who motherfucker?"
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471. "lmao dammmmmn from senpai to motherfucker"
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A pass from all the people calling Dave obsessed.

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473. "How does this work?"
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Do people have to criticize every last comic with some kind of audience that at some point punched down on some vulnerable group?

Where I live most people don't even know who Bill Maher is. They do know Dave. I'm confident it's like that in most parts of the world. Of course Dave's getting more feedback on his material.

When I search for "Bill Maher Netflix special" I'm getting pieces where he's defending Dave, lol.

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481. "Save the strawman and watch the special"
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>Do people have to criticize every last comic with some kind
>of audience that at some point punched down on some vulnerable
>group?
>

When did you stop beating your wife ? Use that one since you are going down that path

>Where I live most people don't even know who Bill Maher is.
>They do know Dave. I'm confident it's like that in most parts
>of the world. Of course Dave's getting more feedback on his
>material.
>

What bubble locked in an underground bunker do you live in, that does not know anything about HBO, the internet, You Tube ? How do you come the conclusion that the rest of the world is isolated living in the stone age the way your closed off tribe in the amazon is living.

>When I search for "Bill Maher Netflix special" I'm getting
>pieces where he's defending Dave, lol.

Is it really that hard to type Maher and woke in google ?

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484. "If the algorithms keep feeding you Maher..."
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Good luck with that.

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485. "Watch the special"
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474. "ah. since you can't name one fucking person who gave maher a pass"
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you now pretend that I was calling you senpai while you scramble to change the subject.



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482. "It was on the board pull up the threads if you need a name."
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That should been from calling Dave senpai to calling me motherfucker. Good thing you pointed out. smh

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and yes, dave is your senpai

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490. "Read it again and use the search function"
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type "Boomer rhetoric" in and see what comes up that's not posted by me.

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493. "I looked, it doesn't exist you're a confirmed liar"
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494. "lol"
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All this for me and not one word for the person who said "a well known bigoted shithead" was just spewing "Boomer rhetoric"

nothing not one word.

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495. "you admit that you're making it up. cool."
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496. "and there is no one who outside of the losers who go on his show that th..."
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"Boomer rhetoric"


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497. "You're obsessed."
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I'll address your bullshit above when I get the time. It will be the last time I address you on the subject, because you've- again- demonstrated that you're a dishonest actor.

For now, I'll acknowledge this bullshit take, because you clearly need to present things in a scope so narrow that you divorce every ounce of context to even approach the appearance of a valid point.

And no, I won't read or respond to whatever dishonest, myopic response you write to this either.

  

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499. "This is funny. I see white people defending the racism of other white pe..."
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never being able to accept that something is racist, just because it wasn't an overtly over the top act. To a lot of white people, it's not racist until specific words are said."


The white person is going to talk no need to respond.

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501. "no link bro doesn't exist"
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451. "Is this a bit ?"
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>When it's 5 or 10
>specials, then you can use those labels but 3 nah.

FIVE or TEN specials is the standard ??!!?

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462. "Is what a bit ?"
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You want the bar for calling something an obsession, talking 3 hours and 15 mins with months between each hour ?

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466. "Three consecutive standup specials. "
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>You want the bar for calling something an obsession, talking
>3 hours and 15 mins with months between each hour ?

Yes, that's a lot, given the subject matter, and the context of what he actually does.

It's clear that you're trying to frame it in a way that minimizes this.

So I'll do the same:

In 100% of Dave's full-length, netflix standup specials since 2019, he's devoted significant portions of those specials to talking about "the alphabet people".

See how that works?

  

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470. "Months apart "
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>>You want the bar for calling something an obsession,
>talking
>>3 hours and 15 mins with months between each hour ?
>
>Yes, that's a lot, given the subject matter, and the context
>of what he actually does.

No, it's about an hour and half more than the Comedy Roast where Caitlyn Jenner was on the stage laughing at jokes similar to if not worse than Dave's

>It's clear that you're trying to frame it in a way that
>minimizes this.

Nah it's you looking for an excuse to offer a terrible counter.

>So I'll do the same:
>
>In 100% of Dave's full-length, netflix standup specials since
>2019, he's devoted significant portions of those specials to
>talking about "the alphabet people".
>
>See how that works?

Doesn't work because it's not accurate when you include intro and ending credits plus everything that is not about alphabet people.

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477. "^^This dude is malfunctioning"
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You are confusing specials with a podcast or something.

We get it - you will say and believe ANYTHING to defend dude.

Or you're doing have an Andy Kaufman like devotion to a bit.

Whichever way it's fine.

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480. "Welcome back chicken little, on 100 out of left field"
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>You are confusing specials with a podcast or something.
>
>We get it - you will say and believe ANYTHING to defend dude.
>
>Or you're doing have an Andy Kaufman like devotion to a bit.
>
>Whichever way it's fine.
>
>


Do more of this and make sure you don't leave out the 1 to 1000 response you add to any thread you post in.

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489. "only counting the show time?"
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he took time to write, rehearse, perform. so definitely a lot of time/thought has gone into these 3+ hours.

whether he's 'obsessed' or not is just semantics at this point.

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491. "Yes only the show time can't verify the items you listed."
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Nah, "he's obsessed" is an exaggeration to make whatever it is he is doing worse. So if someone says it's just a comedian who has gone too far, by adding on obsessed it becomes a comedian obsessed with the trans community who went to far.

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479. "Bing-o"
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>The closer equivocations for what Dave is doing aren't really
>grounded in the craft of comedy, but in right
>wing/conservative commentary. This isn't, and never was, until
>recently, that is, Dave's working gimmick.
>
>But he's devoted large pieces of three specials to the
>subject, and not in a favorable way. He's the one who pushed
>those buttons, repeatedly, and neither he nor his followers
>have much ground to cry foul on the negative response.

I think Dave, on this specific topic (I will admit, the "Alphabet Car" bit from Sticks and Stones was hilarious) largely just misses the "funny" parts and seems to make it more about how he feels about /them/ in concept. And that's a problem.

When I watched his Instagram follow up to all that's been happening, I felt like he was making such a cynical grab to that right wing, anti-"SJW" audience.

It's kind of like watching Andrew "Dice" Clay in reverse.

I found Dice's core act (which was a parody of that wingadinga "greaser" shit) funny in a "meta" way, but also recognized that it was basically bait for what we would call the "MAGA chuds" in 2021.

However, the funniest thing Dice EVER did to me was a show where he told basically NO jokes (The Day The Laughter Died). He was basically just saying bullshit and seeing how many people would be left at the end of the show. It's not everyone's cup of tea, but that "Richard Nixon" bit will have me laughing until the end of time.

This iteration of Dave could have something going if he just changed a few things here and there.

Instead of railing about "corporations" and playing himself up as a pariah that's "too hot for TV", he could go at the "white liberal cultural consensus" (that's my term, not a term Dave might use) instead. Which some Black folks subscribe to. Talking about "corporations" when a corporation, Netflix, is basically paying you millions to tell jokes to an audience, and others are paying you royalties off your old show... is just kind of funnystyle.

Instead of disaggregating everyone into "gay" and "trans" so as to invite the faux-intersectional analysis of your critics, be more specific.

Go harder at them white folks who were laughing AT, not with you.

There's a more effective way to poke a finger at the eye of the beast... than to cave to the lowest common denominator. Either way. Going super "white lib" like Maher (he's the extreme example of the kind of "cultural consensus" I'm talking about) or super Steven Crowder (DUR HURRR... THE TRANZ AND GAYZ!!!11)

because fuck them motherfuckers.

He's trying to be 2021 Black Bunker but it's not landing because the forum of standup comedy doesn't quite ask the audience to suspend disbelief the same way.

I had the same criticism of some of his jokes in previous specials.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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448. "maher's a dumb piece of shit who was never even funny"
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if that's the comp it's a bad sign

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455. "So are you but we don't hold it against you LOL"
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469. "so you acknowledge that I am a subject matter expert"
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453. "didnt the trans woman kill herself after she defended Dave"
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and the community turned on her?

of course, we have no idea why she killed herself but if the timeline is true it makes sense he would want to address it and point out the irony instead of dropping the issue and letting her death be the end of the topic.

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475. ""the community""
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507. "where's the community turning on her?"
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https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends?r=ag5pd&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=

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446. "I still don't understand the issue here"
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he told jokes about the gay/trans community

  

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454. "I think you do.. lol"
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458. "Some jokes."
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A good bit of it, not jokes. And most of the jokes weren’t funny. Not because of content. Just not funny Dave.

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503. "funny is hella subjective"
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514. "well duh."
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but this is Dave doing more commentary than jokes.

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492. "RE: Dave Chappelle: The Closer"
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https://uproxx.com/tv/george-carlin-dave-chappelle-underdogs-andrew-dice-clay/

A friend posted this last week and is pretty spot-on for what Dave is doing now with this community. Also wish Carlin was still around

  

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500. "the community??? ooooh, he’s gonna get you!"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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498. "most of yall are phonies"
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506. "so, about Dave's story where he uses a trans woman to shield himelf"
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there's no evidence that it's true at all

https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends?r=ag5pd&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=




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508. "Unsurprising"
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and disgusting.

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517. "really just making up a story to justify what he wanted to do"
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509. "Gross."
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510. "LOL. The smoking gun article didn't speak to a single person..."
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from her family.

And this line:

"Is Chappelle really implying that trans people are the reason trans people are more likely to die by suicide? Are you fucking kidding me?"

Did anyone watch the special and come away thinking this is what he suggested?

Try again.


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515. "if you don't like the facts, change the subject"
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511. "Meh"
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from the article

"None of this means Dorman wasn’t criticized for her association with Chappelle. Other Twitter sleuths have found her debating the content of his special and whether their friendship meant that he accepted her. Maybe she felt attacked by these conversations. Maybe some abusive tweets have been deleted. Maybe she got nasty DMs or lost friends. We don’t know what being online looked or felt like to Dorman during those six weeks."

Anyways

https://atlantablackstar.com/2021/11/17/theyre-canceling-stuff-i-didnt-even-want-to-do-dave-chappelle-reacts-to-being-uninvited-from-his-old-high-schools-fundraiser/

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518. "changing what you believe would be embarrassing"
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I understand why you don't want to do it

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521. "You deflecting"
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Meh again the author of the article admits he has no clue.

"None of this means Dorman wasn’t criticized for her association with Chappelle..."

plus after several paragraphs near the end of the article

"Speculating on the “real” cause of someone’s suicide, especially someone I’ve never met, feels reductive and gross so I’m going to stop here. I don’t know why Dorman killed herself and it’s none of my business."


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522. "This is crazy"
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>"Speculating on the “real” cause of someone’s suicide,
>especially someone I’ve never met, feels reductive and gross
>so I’m going to stop here. I don’t know why Dorman killed
>herself and it’s none of my business."


Funny the author would type that at the end of a whole article that does exactly that.

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523. "Yep"
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It was so "gross" he had to write it before he stopped.

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526. "which the article doesn't do"
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but oh noooo your narrative, it's broken!

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527. "What is the imaginary narrative you've attributed to me?"
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>but oh noooo your narrative, it's broken!

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528. "it's dave's narrative, which you don't want to investigate"
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that trans people are responsible for this person's death by suicide, which is why dave is doing what he's doing

there's no evidence that's true, but you don't need evidence
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Boogie Stimuli
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529. "Well that's inconsistent w/ what I said in reply 57"
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Go on somewhere

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Rjcc
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530. "you are replying to my reply"
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I did not at you, didn't mention you

and yet

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Boogie Stimuli
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532. "Why are still typing to me after being so wrong?"
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If it's not simply to admit that you were wrong?

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Rjcc
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525. "I know buddy"
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you don't want the truth to be the truth

so you have to pretend it's something else


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512. "you been a lil obsessed with Dave "
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Rjcc
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516. "you were the one asking questions about the community turning on her"
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now you don't want answers

when the answers aren't coming back the way you wanted them to

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Mynoriti
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513. "the twitter scolds internal investigation has spoken"
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lol

  

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519. "sorry this one didn't go your way"
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520. "congrats on someone wrote an article"
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524. "eh, I knew it was bullshit I get nothing from this"
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Beamer6178
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533. "you must have worked for comedy central in mid 2000s"
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>there's no evidence that it's true at all
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>https://michaelhobbes.substack.com/p/dave-chappelles-some-of-my-best-friends?r=ag5pd&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=
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dude literally said "i don't know what was going on in her life so I'm not saying that was the cause. but it couldn't have helped."

it's funny how this article and your pathetic ass won't quote what he actually said.

you too busy rage porning out at this to have a modicum of reason. rock on...

  

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