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13444308, good post nm
Posted by Mynoriti, Mon Oct-11-21 12:56 PM
>To Doomdata's point...it's a joke.
>
>Now...how does that joke land?
>
>1) Hetero-cis - It's 'uncomfortably' funny...it's DAVE!
>2) Family of Daphne - Hilarious because they knew her and
>would know that she'd find that joke funny.
>3) Dave himself - 1000% his feelings. He even used the
>correct pronoun but didn't skate over the fact that a man,
>used sperm, to create his daughter, then later transitioned to
>a woman.
>4) LBGTQIA community - offensive due to misgendering
>post-transition.
>
>^^^That last bit is why he's not going to have further
>specials and discuss this topic publicly...until he can be
>sure they are laughing 'with him'.
>
>There's so much nuance in this special, wrapped around edgy
>and uncomfortable and, to some, offensive jokes.
>
>My takeaways on Dave's stances:
>-If you are born a way, it's factual, scientific data labels
>your gender based on the reproductive organs you were born
>with, however...
>-You have a right to choose to transition if you felt you
>weren't born into the right gender, however...
>-That doesn't make your gender scientific because a born male
>can't biologically produce eggs for fertilization and a born
>female can't biologically grow sperm however...
>-I can respect you where you are and even grow a friendship
>with you...even if we disagree on the above. Additionally...
>-It should be ok for us to joke about it while we are all
>learning to live in this new and developing world and...
>-Don't be surprised that people disagree with you (because
>they do and will)...including cis women...and lastly...
>-Let's not do the USA struggle Olympics because, blackmen have
>had it worse than anyone historically in this country...and
>you are still contributing to it no matter your sexual
>orientation or gender identity.
>
>And to all of that, I say that learning and evolving is a
>painful process. The biggest hurdles with most people who
>struggle to accept evolving definitions of gender are all
>built into their/our cultural development:
>
>-Moral queue's (based heavily on religious indoctrination)
>-Normative education (everything we've learned most of our
>lives tells us Boy/Girl, from science, entertainment,
>household upbringing, social interactions)
>-Having to learn new norms without a full education of them
>(and then being shunned if they don't conform)
>
>It's like going your whole life and being told a particular
>hue is blue and then after 30-50 yrs of knowing this, a whole
>different color pallet is introduced to you based on the blue
>hue where blue isn't just blue anymore; it's Royal, Navy, Sky,
>Carolina, Dark, Light, Aqua, Turquoise, Cobalt, Cerulean. And
>some blues are more green and some blues are more gray. And
>you're like, "How can a blue be green or gray?".
>
>Then there's a slew of new rules and terms that might actually
>get you shouted down if you misuse or neglect to use them when
>living in this new world.
>
>Cis-gendered
>Transphobic
>Homophobic
>They/Them as pronouns to refer to a singular person
>Non-binary
>Cisheteronormativity
>
>And then, on top of that, it 'seems' that this community is
>above reproach and can't be criticized by 'others' when they
>don't 'get it/understand' immediately (and some never will,
>might take generations for this to be a normative thing).
>
>And then, for a black man, we could never make words like
>Andro-Negrophobia stick and become actually respected by
>society or science. It's like one of those things that lives
>in the shadows...or maybe we just aren't as good at marketing.
> *Shrug*
>
>All this to say that I feel more education is needed, less
>shaming should be done (both ways) and expect people to
>disagree (both ways). But relish in the developments that are
>happening/fact that people are even open to
>discussing/learning/respecting these evolutions in 2021. Says
>a lot for the LBGTQIA community and how we've all become aware
>of their particular brand of issues.