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7. "There are always exceptions"
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I often look at the exceptions to get a sense of what happens on a even deeper level when people raise sons and daughters. The patriachal society we live in promotes the man as provider but that kind of ideal fell apart years ago with the increase of divorce and single parenthood (i.e. female).

>Black People Love their sons and
>raise their daughters.

I've heard women of color tell me they raise their daughters to care for them when they get old. Sons are expected to leave the household and start new families so they are conditioned to explore life outside, including being encouraged to learn from mistakes. Daughters are expected to become mothers and care givers, not just of their children but others in the family, as well. They are taught to make decisions for the whole, or for the benefit of their loved ones as opposed to/for themselves. BTW- I rebelled against that at an early age.

My mother was a single parent but she was a good provider. She also made sure my father had a hand in raising us. However, their parenting approaches and views on raising daughters were very different. My father's expectation was that we'd be pregnant by age 16 (like his mother, grandmother) or we'd be lucky to make it to high school graduation before getting knocked up. My mother graduated from college before she had us (he was a high school drop out) and she was the primary provider after my parents divorced early. Ironically, while my mother raised us my father raised two more girls on his own ten years later (different mother). My sister an I have master's degrees, no children and my sister quit her lucrative job as a chemical engineer to move to Paris and become a writer. The younger sisters raised by my father both dropped out of high school and had babies before they were 18.

I rebelled for years, esp. against the expectation that my role as a woman was to solely be a mother and caregiver. My mother raised me to explore the world and make my own mistakes. My father thought this was wrong and was so conflicted that he quit communicating altogether when we went off to start our own lives as adults. He refused to support us through college and grad school and he was quick to encourage me to come home and help raise my younger sisters. Rather than be proud of his daughters he choose to alienate us. We excelled because of our mother's love and and defiance of our father.

One of the things I've noticed and discussed with other Black women about Black men is how they handle adversity. Many Black men do not handle adversity effectively. They avoid, run, etc. Women are taught to stay, struggle through and solve problems. There are always exceptions but in general women are expected to deal with problems and men sometimes don't. Even with the superwoman mentality many sisters have both sexes often see themselves as victims of society-at-large. As a result, Black women die of heart attacks (and other diseases) sooner and more often. They get wore down but keep going despite it all. They are expected to take on the world but not be in control of it.

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"To be as good as someone else is no high ideal...I am myself." - Paul Robeson

"It's quite an experience to live in fear isn't it? That's what it is to be a slave." - Roy in "Blade Runner"

"Everyone seems to have a clear idea of how other people should lead their lives, but none about his or her own."
--Paulo Coelho, "The Alchemist"

"There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path"
--Morpheus in "The Matrix" (and a Buddhist philosophy)

"It's our choices, Harry, that show what we truly are, far more than our abilities"- Dumbledore to Harry Potter "Chamber of Secrets"

<--- Blame this lady for Nutty.

  

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Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters [View all] , M2, Tue Mar-05-02 07:41 PM
 
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not to post jack
Mar 05th 2002
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However....
Mar 05th 2002
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RE: However....
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
78
asian patriarchy...
Mar 08th 2002
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Not the same thing
Mar 06th 2002
4
agreeing w/ M2 and Solarus
Mar 06th 2002
22
Opinion
Mar 05th 2002
2
RE: Opinion
Mar 06th 2002
8
It shouldn't be flipped
Mar 06th 2002
5
RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
6
i agree...
Mar 06th 2002
9
RE: i agree...
Mar 08th 2002
83
Because of Slavery
Mar 06th 2002
10
that's a lie.
Mar 06th 2002
13
RE: that's a lie.
Mar 06th 2002
16
The 60's.
Mar 06th 2002
19
      Does this mean
Mar 06th 2002
25
      Doesn't matter
Mar 06th 2002
28
           Does matter
Mar 06th 2002
45
                Lesbianism?
Mar 06th 2002
46
                RE: Lesbianism?
Mar 07th 2002
54
                     strong statement.
Mar 07th 2002
59
                     RE: strong statement.
Mar 07th 2002
68
                     RE: Lesbianism?
Mar 07th 2002
63
                RE: Does matter
Mar 07th 2002
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                     Intertwined???
Mar 07th 2002
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                     Once again...
Mar 07th 2002
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                          Poor/ Low Income White People....
Mar 07th 2002
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                          perception is reality...
Mar 07th 2002
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                          Just proves my point
Mar 07th 2002
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                               RE: Just proves my point
Mar 07th 2002
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                                    RE: Just proves my point
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                                         RE: Just proves my point
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                                              RE: Just proves my point
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                                              RE: Just proves my point
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                                                   RE: Just proves my point
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                                                        RE: Just proves my point
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                                              RE: Just proves...cont.
Mar 07th 2002
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                                              RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                                   RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                                        RE: Just proves...cont.
Mar 08th 2002
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                                              interesting point...
Mar 08th 2002
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                     RE: Does matter
Mar 08th 2002
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                          Ghetto=Black?
Mar 08th 2002
85
      to follow up on Cre8's statement
Mar 06th 2002
27
           the problem...
Mar 06th 2002
29
Hmmm. You're suspect.
Mar 06th 2002
17
suspect of what?
Mar 06th 2002
18
During Slave Times...
Mar 06th 2002
33
      RE: During Slave Times...
Mar 06th 2002
35
           RE: During Slave Times...
Mar 06th 2002
41
           The Truth.
Mar 07th 2002
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                RE: The Truth.
Mar 07th 2002
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                     RE: The Truth.
Mar 07th 2002
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                          RE: The Truth.
Mar 07th 2002
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           RE: During Slave Times...
Mar 06th 2002
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                RE: During Slave Times...
Mar 07th 2002
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Post #21
Mar 06th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
11
this needs to be taken care of
Mar 06th 2002
24
you have a point...
Mar 06th 2002
12
Sad Truth
Mar 06th 2002
14
RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
15
Fortitude, Brotherhood & Honor...
Mar 06th 2002
20
Another sad thing
Mar 06th 2002
21
most detrimental to ANY child
Mar 06th 2002
26
RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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      umm
Mar 06th 2002
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      RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
34
RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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Its a ILL situation
Mar 06th 2002
40
starts when they're young
Mar 06th 2002
37
Read posts 3 & 4
Mar 06th 2002
39
      sons aren't raised
Mar 06th 2002
43
Mother's raising Sons
Mar 06th 2002
38
I agree totally
Mar 06th 2002
44
Qualms with the statement
Mar 06th 2002
49
RE: Mother's raising Sons
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
79
Bullshit
Mar 08th 2002
82
that is the fuckin TRUTH
Mar 08th 2002
81
Manhood classes
Mar 06th 2002
50
Good suggestion
Mar 07th 2002
51
RE: Manhood classes
Mar 07th 2002
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RE: AFRICAN'S
Mar 07th 2002
52
RE...
Mar 07th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
77
IN YOUR FAMILY
Mar 08th 2002
88

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