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33. "During Slave Times..."
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.....there wasn't a Black Family.

The concept of a Black family during slave times is disabused by the fact that your family members could be sold/taken away from you at any time and Blacks were treated like chattle.

Blaming "feminism" and liberal thinking is nothing more then a scape goat....for this one simple fact:

If liberalism & feminism destroyed so called "family values" in this country, then that means that the "family values" that existed, were only there because certain members of our society (Women) had no choice but to live a certain lifestyle.

Your point would be more valid if women had all the same options and rights men did leading up to the 60s.

In other words, it was a fragile house of cards that was bound to fall at some point, it was inevitable that at some point women would demand more rights/options and start pursuing them.

If the straw Breaks the camel's back, you don't blame the Straw, you recognize that the Camel had a bad back beforehand.

Other Thoughts:

If you talk to a lot of Blacks who were born into single parent homes, say in the last 30 years, you will find out that their parents and their parents and parents were ALSO born into single parent homes and the pattern is simply repeating itself.

Within the Black community at least, you have to give this some weight....and since these patterns go back to Slave times, it's logical to postulate that slavery had to have SOME effect, no?

Also, just due to prevailing social attitudes, people weren't as likely to admitt that they were having kids out of wedlock. They might avoid a hospital OR they may lie and claim they WERE married.

Before my mother's generation broke the cycle, three generations before her claimed to be married when they had their kids, as did other people around them......that skews the statistics significantly, don't you think?

A lot of single women were having kids and claiming their husbands "were in the army".

Socio-economic status:

Growing up, particularly in high school I was sort of in Limbo between people of different socio-economic status. I grew up middle class, but I had poorer relatives that I interacted with, during my high school years I went from the yuppie spawn high school to a high school that was mostly made up of Blue Collar and lower income kids.....the people in my neighborhood were of the same income level as my parents, but most of the kids at my high school weren't.

Something I noticed:

Hardly any my college classmates or middle class classmates from high school have a child (I'm 26) not one single child, people have just started getting married, but no one is having children yet.

The people I know who DO have kids, were Seniors when I was a freshman, making them 29-30 and their kids were born within the last 12 months.

I know ONE couple where the woman got pregnant out of wedlock....but they were Seniors in college...hell it didn't even stop her from setting scoring records in field hockey.....they graduated, got married, walked into professional life.....no muss, no fuss.

Now my poorer relatives/classmates, plenty of kids as teens and/or out of wedlock, lots of single parent homes, or "Baby Mama/Daddy" situations, there are some marriages, but that's not the prevailing pattern. These people look at me like I'm a mutant or a virgin since I don't have kids by age 26.

Due to the extreme split in attitudes/patterns in different socio-economic groups with respect to having children early, especially when the more affluent people tend to be more liberal and feminist minded...indicates to me that it's all not about feminism and liberalism.

Because feminist & liberal daughters of college educated parents, aren't likely to become pregnant in high school or college.

While daughters of plumbers who are conservative believers in family values.....are.

In other words, it's SOOOOO much more complicated then blaming liberalism and feminism.




Peace,








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Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters [View all] , M2, Tue Mar-05-02 07:41 PM
 
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not to post jack
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However....
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RE: However....
Keyser
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asian patriarchy...
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Not the same thing
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agreeing w/ M2 and Solarus
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Opinion
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RE: Opinion
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It shouldn't be flipped
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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There are always exceptions
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i agree...
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RE: i agree...
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Because of Slavery
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that's a lie.
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RE: that's a lie.
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The 60's.
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      Does this mean
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      Doesn't matter
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           Does matter
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                Lesbianism?
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                RE: Lesbianism?
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                     strong statement.
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                     RE: strong statement.
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                     RE: Lesbianism?
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                RE: Does matter
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                     Intertwined???
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                     Once again...
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                          Poor/ Low Income White People....
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                          perception is reality...
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                          Just proves my point
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                                              RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                                        RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                              interesting point...
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                     RE: Does matter
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                          Ghetto=Black?
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      to follow up on Cre8's statement
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           the problem...
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Hmmm. You're suspect.
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suspect of what?
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      RE: During Slave Times...
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           RE: During Slave Times...
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           The Truth.
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                RE: The Truth.
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                     RE: The Truth.
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                          RE: The Truth.
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           RE: During Slave Times...
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                RE: During Slave Times...
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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this needs to be taken care of
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you have a point...
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Sad Truth
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Fortitude, Brotherhood & Honor...
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Another sad thing
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most detrimental to ANY child
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      umm
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starts when they're young
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Read posts 3 & 4
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      sons aren't raised
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Mother's raising Sons
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I agree totally
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Qualms with the statement
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RE: Mother's raising Sons
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Bullshit
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that is the fuckin TRUTH
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Manhood classes
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Good suggestion
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RE: AFRICAN'S
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RE...
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IN YOUR FAMILY
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