>>As for abortions....in a small community,
>>it's hard to keep things
>>secret and a lot of
>>girls can't get them as
>>teens, and like I said,
>>in that different environment, it's
>>all that neccessary.
>>
>
>But this mean it wasn't done?
>I'm sure if someone wanted
>to have an abortion and
>keep it underwraps they very
>well could.

Your neglecting a very important fact:

Since White Teens/Young people typically fear pregnancy/disease a great deal more then Black Teens/Young People do, they are far less likely to be in the position to NEED abortions in the first place.

Use of birth control is the primary reason for the differences in single-mother birth rates, NOT abortion, simple because they are far less likely to get pregnant in the first place, let alone give birth.

Your insistence that the difference is due to abortions, ignores the reason for the difference in birth rates and effectively takes the solution off the table.

If someone says, well that White Community over there has less teen parents then we do because of abortion, that basically gives the message of: "There is nothing we can do to stop this problem but have abortions".

It also more or less validates the irresponsible behavior of teens who don't use condoms, don't get on birth control, don't make birth control a priority.

Like I said, I've NEVER had a fellow suburbanite ask me why I don't have kids, *ME* the Unmarried Bachelor. The thought never crosses their minds, because they figure I (like themselves) would use Birth control.

Just on this Board I've heard people say that people having kids by their mid-20s "is just life", that people who don't want to date someone with kids, are being unrealistic, that it's odd for someone in their late 20s to not have children......let alone the people who've said it in real life.

The people who says this are predominantly lower income/blue collar Black people who grew up in and around the inner cities.


>>I'm in 100% agreement with you.
>>When I was in high
>>school my girlfriend and I
>>just went down there after
>>school and she was able
>>to get the Birth Control
>>pill, no muss no fuss.
>>
>>
>>How many Inner city kids have
>>that option? 0 black, just the whitekids that reside on the North side close to Evanston and so on. I don't even see PP's in the south suburbs, guess theres too many brown faces there too.

Okay, but even without PP those kids can just go to Rite Aid and buy condoms. In fact, a lot of their parents will just take them to the doctor and put them on the pill.

A lot of the kids in the inner cities aren't even using Condoms, let alone having their parents put them on the pill.

I don't want to hear about the cost of health care either, you can get the pill for about $30/month or get depo for $45 which will last you for 3 months.


>>
>>How many of them fear pregnancy
>>like middle class kids do?
>
>So your saying blackmiddle and black
>poor kids don't fear pregnancy?
>I doubt that any poor
>kid, regardless of color, wants
>their kid to grow up
>in the conditions they grew
>up in.

70% of Black children are born to Un-married mothers.

People in the inner cities are still having children, are they not? So obviously they either wanted the children, or they weren't careful. You would think that someone who doesn't want their kids to grow up in the conditions they did would be the MOST vigilant when it came to birth control.

I'm saying that inner city youth don't fear pregnancy anywhere near as much as suburban kids do. I've got two step-cousins with 5 kids between them (Neither one is old enough to drink) because the guy wouldn't use condoms and they didn't protest.

You rarely get away with that shit in the burbs, and if you do, the girl is on the Pill, it's a one time thing and she gets the morning after pill the next day....hell I know people who've got the morning after pill "just to be safe" when they did use a condom.

>>
>>I've never heard of inner city
>>kids hiding their pregnancies, or
>>killing their babies because they're
>>afraid of their parents finding
>>out.
>>
>But you didn't grow up in
>the inner city, and i
>knew a few girls that
>jumped down stairs, duched to
>no end with pepsi, and
>got into fights just to
>loose a kid. As a
>matter of fact I went
>to a prodomenately white school
>to make sure I didn't
>get pregnant.

What about the girls that didn't?

70% of Black children are born into single parent homes.

It seems that you're in the minority.


>One Factor, what factor and do
>only black and latinos hold
>that factor?

When you look at the fact that those populations have MUCH higher pregnancy rates due to unprotected sex, it stands to reason that they are going to have MUCH higher disease transmission rates.

One is a symptom/indicative of the other.


>>Who said anything about promiscuity? Even
>>with a lower level of
>>sexually activity then Whites, ONE
>>factor that is going to
>>promote aids transmission in the
>>Black community can cause much
>>higher rates.
>>
>What FACTOR? You make it sound
>like we have a special
>gene that connects us to
>AIDS.

Read Above.


>>Interracial dating is still a small
>>% of all relationships, and
>>when it happens it occurs
>>between people of similar socio-economic
>>backgrounds.
>Thats a damn lie. I know
>plenty of black men and
>women in lower social groups
>who are dating and married
>to whites of higher social
>groups. Maybe you thought i
>meant relationship as dating. Not
>so, I'm talking about people
>kicking it or just having
>casual sex, which I'm seeing
>to be a main purpose
>for many in interacial relationships.

What inner-racial relationships? Aren't they mostly just "kicking it" and casual sex?

Regardless:

Whites of higher social groups are more likely to use protection.

The majority of interracial relationships involve people of similar social class, they may not have "grown up" in the same social class, but when they're dating, they themselves are in a similar social class. The reason for this is that our society is still fairly segregated and most white people have somewhat of a problem with interracial dating, so the opportunities and the inclination to do date outside your race isn't always there.

Your preception of the purpose interracial dating, is more or less irrelevant to this discussion.

In the end, interracial dating is still a small percentage of all dating.

>
>So a Black Youth
>>(Like me) who grows up
>>in a White Suburban community,
>>is going to benefit from
>>the education and resources available
>>as well as being influenced
>>by that community's attitudes on
>>sex and pregnancy.
>>
>Now what if those resources where
>available in black communities as
>well. Do you think we
>would have the high rate
>of AIDS or pregnancy? See
>this is the secret that
>i was talking about. Although
>its not a secret, it
>is still NOT available to
>black communities and if you
>think i'm lying go to
>a inner city black community
>such as the south or
>west side of Chicago and
>tell me how many resources
>you see.

Then it's not a secret, it's a resource issue which affects poor White communities as well.

AND, since these people could use Condoms (Which they know exist) get on the pill themselves and in general aren't as concerned with birth control, there needs to be a paradigm shift in values, moreso then an increase in the amount of resources.

Because it's not like you can't hop on the buss and go to a PP that's not in your community, or get in your car and drive there.

People around me do it all the time.

>>Black communities (The ones I
>>assume you're referring to) date
>>White Women?
>You'd probably be surprised, but I
>wouldn't. Also considering you went
>to college and I'm guessing
>lived on a campus, tell
>me how many of the
>black guys who dated(had sex)
>with white girls where of
>middle class? A guy could
>be from the Icky's (projects),
>but how would you know
>that if he didn't tell
>you? How many white girls
>would tell a black guy
>no simply because he is
>from the inner city.

Read above on your parent's social class vs. your own.

When I was in college, yes there were Black guys dating White girls, it didn't matter where they came from, because we all were at the same school.

BUT:

Protection was used, especially when the was a danger of carrying a mixed race baby and the girl in question was trying to piss off her parents or have a "chocolate fantasy", and didn't have a genuine interest in the guy.

There was a small % of women who dated Black Men, and only a slightly larger % who would consider it if the right guy came along, Read: Someone of a similar background who they perceived as being "just like them" but of a different skin color. So Brothas like me had maybe 4% more options then someone from the inner city.

In the end though, it's not like 100% of the white female student body would Date Black men, especially when I know of some Brothas who hooked up with a white girl who wouldn't admit it the next day.

See, you date one Black guy and you become the White Girl who dates Black guys, or other White guys feel inadaquate in simply talking to you next time you're single.....some women weren't ready to make that leap.




>How many of
>>those White Women sleep with
>>these guys and don't engage
>>in safe sex?
>>
>I'm not in the bedroom with
>them so hell if i
>know, however someone must not
>be using protection considering the
>birht of interracial babies is
>not at a low.

Not likely in a college or suburbanite situation, what makes you think they're going to say: "Oh, it's a Brotha, no condoms tonigh!" Do you think Black men have super sperm that breaks through birth control, or that White Women are somehow immune to HIV?

No.

Those interracial babies are typically born to people who are married/in serious relationships, not quite the same thing as a child born to a single mother.

Still, there are still a small % of all births.

>>The White Gay Male community was
>>the primary focus of a
>>lot of the education towards
>>preventing the spread of aids
>>and was the community with
>>the greatest amount of vigilance
>>aimed towards preventing its spread.
>>On top of that, other
>>communities who weren't educated about
>>its spread, were operating under
>>the assumption that it was
>>a "Gay Disease".
>>
>This leads us back to resources
>and availability 101. What good
>is it to have an
>antedote (information) that could prevent
>you from dying and holding
>it from you.

It's not about holding, it's about funding and economics, since these factors affect white communities too. STILL, some of the onus has to be placed on Black people who aren't making the effort to make birth control a priority.

My last girlfriend got her pills from PP, there isn't one around where we lived, So we got in my car and drove there, just like someone from West Philly could've got on the bus and done the same, or just walked down the street to Rite Aid and bought a box of Trojans.

I recognize the lack of resources, but I also recognize that people are not making the effort to use the resources they DO have.

How can you decide to have sex, knowing it can get you pregnant, knowing you are NOT ready to bring life into the world and not take precautions and act like if something happens, "it's just life"?!

Let's think on that for a second. It's thanksgiving, people younger then me with kids roll up to my Mom's place for dinner, a lot of whom are on "some" public assistance, not married, the man (or woman) is no where to be found.....I'm single.....and they're talking to Me, like I'M the one who is "weird" because I somehow escaped having children, telling me that I can't decide not to have kids because kids "just happen" that "it's life" that it's ridiculous for me not to date so and so because she has a kid....opinions that are echoed by many of their friends and people who live around them......

.......you don't think they need a paradigm shift with regards to their thinking, moreso then resources?!

C'mon.


>But you see whites in general
>where given the upper hand
>becuase they were given the
>information, however it was kept
>from blacks and browns unitl
>sometime later, then suddenly the
>information is giving to us.
>Well is just a little
>too damn late and this
>occurs with every and anything
>dealing with black people. A
>prime example is the tuskeegee
>experiment. Not only was information
>held back from these men,
>but the damn cure was
>too. Once bitten 2wice shy.
>Who's to say the same
>thing isn't occuring now.

It's called economics and funding, poor whites have very high single parent rates too, high rates of disease, and suffer from a lot of the same attitudes/lack of information that cause it.

My Jr. Year my family moved and I went to a high school that was 80% low income whites, instead of 80% high income Whites, a lot of the same shit, just with a different skin color. The only difference is that *some* of the problems were offset by having *slightly* more economic resources.....but in the end, it's the same shit.




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