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47. "RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters"
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>black males who are in jail,on
>drugs, etc. are not in
>control. how can a person
>who is not in control
>define his/her destiny?? when
>a large part of the
>community cannot define its destiny
>the community as a whole
>suffers, regardless of how hard
>the other half tries to
>compensate.

What exactly do you mean by "not in control". Living in America no one is in control unless you're rich, white, and male---and then only a select few. The point to my critique is not about who's in control. The issue that I attack is the notion that if Black men were allowed to "be men" our race would be able to rise up and overcome the world. The problem with this argument in my opinion is the definition of being "a man". Those men who aren't in jail, on drugs, etc, are oppressed oppressors of African American women. Although sistas have continously proven their ability to hold it down in spite of the circumstances and not being in control they are supposed to become subservient and "let men be men". I am highly critical of gender roles because they come from the oppressor and they do not allow human beings to be human beings.

>many black communities are like a
>track star trying to run
>with one leg and you
>seem to be saying that
>because some people want two
>legs that we are demeaning
>the contributions of the one
>leg we already have. garbage!

Okay my statements may appear to imply that I am advocating single parent households across the board. This is however far from my viewpoint. We all know that it takes more that one person to raise a child. Using your track analogy, what we have done in our community in regards to two parent homes is only exercise one leg when we have two. Yes it's true that we need two legs but we need those legs to be equally strong, equally conditioned, and equally trained with equal participation for the race.

>instead of getting both legs
>together and running this race
>right you suggest we should
>redifine "running" what the hell!!!
>this is a defeatist attitude and
>supports racsist ideology more than
>anything else.

Well first lets admit that the whole race is f--ked up and needs to be completely rethought. We have to redefine running as you put it for the reasons that I stated earlier. The homes that do have a "man in the house" are dominated by "the man" and everyone in that house is subordinate to him. This is the way of the ruling class and I think that we should become very suspicious of all practices of a class that is inherently oppressive. By taking on the ideologies of patriarchy into our homes we then oppress ourselves and in effect become like our masters. In the long run this does more damage than good. Sure we may raise our boys to "be men" but what kind of man--like our oppressors?

As far as my statement regarding accepting the fact that women have and always will raise children as a single parent, I don't think that it is a defeatest statement. History since 1619 backs up my statement so I have no problem making it. In addition the psycho-spiritual implications of this deep seeded problem perpetuates the causes of this behavior from generation to generation. The solution I provided is a short term solution or rather a solution for the present. It is my hope, goal, and aim that we will see more 2-parent households BUT how that household is run needs to be rethought and redefined. Maybe that 2-parent household will be 2 women or 2 men vs. the traditional male/female. Additionally we MUST do away with the notion that the father ultimately must raise the boy and the mother must raise the girl. By doing this we are limiting and defining our children in ways that can potentially prevent them from being the greatest thing they can ever truly be---a human being. KRS-One said that "Before you are a race, a religion, or an occupation you are a Human being!" I would add gender to his statement and there you have the challenge of consciousness for us all. Who you are is not what you see, that's just what allows you to get around in the Matrix.

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Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters [View all] , M2, Tue Mar-05-02 07:41 PM
 
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not to post jack
Mar 05th 2002
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However....
Mar 05th 2002
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RE: However....
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
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asian patriarchy...
Mar 08th 2002
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Not the same thing
Mar 06th 2002
4
agreeing w/ M2 and Solarus
Mar 06th 2002
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Opinion
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RE: Opinion
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It shouldn't be flipped
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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There are always exceptions
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i agree...
Mar 06th 2002
9
RE: i agree...
Mar 08th 2002
83
Because of Slavery
Mar 06th 2002
10
that's a lie.
Mar 06th 2002
13
RE: that's a lie.
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The 60's.
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      Does this mean
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25
      Doesn't matter
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28
           Does matter
Mar 06th 2002
45
                Lesbianism?
Mar 06th 2002
46
                RE: Lesbianism?
Mar 07th 2002
54
                     strong statement.
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                     RE: strong statement.
Mar 07th 2002
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                     RE: Lesbianism?
Mar 07th 2002
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                RE: Does matter
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                     Intertwined???
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                     Once again...
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                          Poor/ Low Income White People....
Mar 07th 2002
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                          perception is reality...
Mar 07th 2002
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                          Just proves my point
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                                         RE: Just proves my point
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                                                        RE: Just proves my point
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                                              RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                                   RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                                        RE: Just proves...cont.
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                                              interesting point...
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                     RE: Does matter
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                          Ghetto=Black?
Mar 08th 2002
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      to follow up on Cre8's statement
Mar 06th 2002
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           the problem...
Mar 06th 2002
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Hmmm. You're suspect.
Mar 06th 2002
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suspect of what?
Mar 06th 2002
18
During Slave Times...
Mar 06th 2002
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      RE: During Slave Times...
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           RE: During Slave Times...
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           The Truth.
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                RE: The Truth.
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                     RE: The Truth.
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                          RE: The Truth.
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           RE: During Slave Times...
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                RE: During Slave Times...
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Post #21
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Mar 06th 2002
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this needs to be taken care of
Mar 06th 2002
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you have a point...
Mar 06th 2002
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Sad Truth
Mar 06th 2002
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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Fortitude, Brotherhood & Honor...
Mar 06th 2002
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Another sad thing
Mar 06th 2002
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most detrimental to ANY child
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
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      umm
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Its a ILL situation
Mar 06th 2002
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starts when they're young
Mar 06th 2002
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Read posts 3 & 4
Mar 06th 2002
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      sons aren't raised
Mar 06th 2002
43
Mother's raising Sons
Mar 06th 2002
38
I agree totally
Mar 06th 2002
44
Qualms with the statement
Mar 06th 2002
49
RE: Mother's raising Sons
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
79
Bullshit
Mar 08th 2002
82
that is the fuckin TRUTH
Mar 08th 2002
81
Manhood classes
Mar 06th 2002
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Good suggestion
Mar 07th 2002
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RE: Manhood classes
Mar 07th 2002
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RE: AFRICAN'S
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RE...
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RE: Love Their Sons, Raise their Daughters
Keyser
Mar 08th 2002
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IN YOUR FAMILY
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