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AmeriKaan nUumber

Tue Feb-20-01 04:11 PM

  
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Can someone please explain to me why Black people are Christians? How can you be a religion that murdered and enslaved you? Christians robbed the Afrikan of her language, of her Gods, of her culture, of her human dignity. Christianity was forced on the Afrikan by the primitive white race, please explain to me how any person of Afrikan decent can honor this blasphemic religion.

  

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seriously, why?
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
1
RE: seriously, why?
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
2
      RE: seriously, why?
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
4
it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
Feb 20th 2001
3
RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
OHIOplayer
Feb 21st 2001
42
RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us...
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
128
Thank You ! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
43
Uuummmm
Feb 20th 2001
5
Thank You! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
44
RE: Uuummmm
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
60
Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
6
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
7
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
9
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
11
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
18
In truth
Feb 20th 2001
21
RE: In truth
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
56
even
Feb 21st 2001
61
      Just That
Feb 27th 2001
140
the good side of it
Feb 21st 2001
72
      RE: the good side of it
Nice1
Feb 21st 2001
90
your angst
Feb 21st 2001
51
      RE: your angst
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
54
           Your reading
Feb 21st 2001
59
RE: Ummmmm.........
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
20
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
23
I meant
Feb 20th 2001
24
RE: Ummmmm.........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
25
      Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
Feb 20th 2001
26
           RE: Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
28
                hell yeah
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
29
                No Use
Feb 20th 2001
30
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 21st 2001
63
Christ asn't ethiopian, Falasha my ass n/m
Isa_Sabur
Feb 21st 2001
76
Yes
Feb 20th 2001
12
RE: Yes
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
15
True
Feb 20th 2001
16
RE: True
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
17
      RE: True
Feb 20th 2001
19
RE: Yes
Feb 27th 2001
141
Chill Son
Feb 20th 2001
22
RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
38
RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
40
      RE: Chill Son
Feb 21st 2001
49
           Aiight
Feb 21st 2001
57
           RE: Aiight
Feb 21st 2001
68
                Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
69
                     RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
73
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
84
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
92
                               RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
96
                          Please stop it.
Feb 21st 2001
86
                          RE: Exactly
Feb 21st 2001
88
           don't know about the Sudan?
Feb 21st 2001
95
                RE: don't know about the Sudan?
Feb 21st 2001
98
                     You're right...
Feb 21st 2001
100
                     u made my point n/m
Feb 21st 2001
103
                     taking the media out of it
Feb 21st 2001
101
                     RE: don't know about the Sudan?
dabulmike
Feb 21st 2001
107
scattered remarks
Feb 21st 2001
39
RE: Ummmmm.........
Feb 20th 2001
32
See
Feb 21st 2001
91
just because youve never seen one
Feb 21st 2001
115
Actually, you've proven my point...
Feb 22nd 2001
118
RE: See
isisbabyboy
Feb 23rd 2001
126
RE: Ummmmm.........
Sole Man
Feb 21st 2001
102
I do. It is just as guilty.
Feb 20th 2001
8
      RE: I do. It is just as guilty.
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
10
           RE: I do. It is just as guilty.
utamaroho
Feb 20th 2001
13
           I disagree
Feb 20th 2001
14
                OH NO!
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 20th 2001
27
                     Oh yeah
Ylana
Feb 20th 2001
31
                     RE: OH NO!
Feb 20th 2001
33
                     RE: OH NO!
Feb 21st 2001
94
Here we go, listen up...
Virgil Thadeus
Feb 21st 2001
34
can't agree w/ some of this
Feb 21st 2001
82
Say What?
Ylana
Feb 21st 2001
113
      RE: Say What?
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
116
           May I ask...
Ylana
Feb 22nd 2001
119
                RE: May I ask...
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 25th 2001
131
                     right on
Ylana
Feb 25th 2001
132
don't blame the message
Feb 21st 2001
35
and 'the truth' is?
Ylana
Feb 21st 2001
114
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
36
Feb 21st 2001
37
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
50
     
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
53
      Dude
Feb 21st 2001
64
     
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
78
     
Feb 21st 2001
55
          
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
81
Slave
Feb 21st 2001
41
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
47
     
alwingo
Feb 21st 2001
48
OHIOplayer
Feb 21st 2001
45
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
52
Are you asking a question or making a statement? n/m
Virgil Thadeus
Feb 21st 2001
46
there's a difference
Feb 21st 2001
58
Question
Feb 21st 2001
62
I 'am a fool
Feb 21st 2001
66
Feb 21st 2001
65
ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
67
      RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
70
           RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
71
           RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
77
                RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
79
                INSANE!!!!!!!
Feb 27th 2001
142
                RE: ENDING........
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
80
                RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
83
                RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
89
                     RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
93
                          RE: ENDING........
Feb 21st 2001
99
           that was fkin ignorant n/m
Feb 21st 2001
97
why do u care?
Feb 21st 2001
74
i ask that everyday n/m
Isa_Sabur
Feb 21st 2001
75
you smell good! n/m
Feb 21st 2001
87
Do you want the TRUTH?
Feb 21st 2001
85
G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)
Feb 21st 2001
104
go 'head n/m
Feb 21st 2001
105
RE: G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)
Feb 21st 2001
110
      hmm...
Feb 26th 2001
138
           RE: hmm...
Feb 26th 2001
139
dabulmike
Feb 21st 2001
106
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
108
maybe...
Feb 21st 2001
109
      Okayplayers are ignorant
Feb 21st 2001
111
           RE: Okayplayers are ignorant
AmeriKaan nUumber
Feb 21st 2001
112
           That statement is ignorant
Feb 22nd 2001
117
                God life in expression...
Feb 22nd 2001
120
                     RE: God life in expression...
Feb 23rd 2001
122
           the funny thing
Feb 23rd 2001
121
                Ignorance...
Feb 23rd 2001
123
                     no doubt
Feb 23rd 2001
124
                          FYI
Feb 23rd 2001
125
okayheckler
Feb 23rd 2001
127
True in a since, but
Feb 24th 2001
129
unlent
Feb 24th 2001
130
sinless
Feb 25th 2001
133
     
Dyskotek
Feb 26th 2001
134
the problem w/ the ?
Feb 26th 2001
135
ya know somtehing?
Wise_7
Feb 26th 2001
136
      well...
Feb 26th 2001
137

utamaroho

Tue Feb-20-01 04:22 PM

  
1. "seriously, why?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

why? i mean, for real, why?


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Tue Feb-20-01 04:33 PM

  
2. "RE: seriously, why?"
In response to Reply # 1


          

I'm sorry, are you saying Afrikan's were in the dark before the christian's came?

  

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utamaroho

Tue Feb-20-01 04:39 PM

  
4. "RE: seriously, why?"
In response to Reply # 2


          

"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

no, i was saying "why" to why this post is up here. christianity is irrelevant as to why black people flock to it. it is peripheral to the real reason...but anyways, on a lighter note.

but the white jesus and the missionaries did bring civilization to the heathen nations that flourished in africa, had they not come, who knows where they'd be?

(((((PEACE)))))

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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3. "it wasn't the religion that enslaved us..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

it is the people who took things into their own hands, let money,power, and their own supremacy corrupt themselves, and took for granted the fact that Christ died for their sins...

...i'm sick and tired of people saying that Christianity is responsible for slavery.

it is those that professed to be Christians (and didn't act as such) that are responsible for slavery.

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OHIOplayer

Wed Feb-21-01 04:32 AM

  
42. "RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us..."
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truth is, it WAS religion that enslaved us. and this enslavement was MENTALLY. whether is is christianity, islam, buddism, or whatever, ALL religions enslave the mind. becuz nothing can be verified factually, and they keep u locked in a spell of BELIEVE instead of KNOWLEDGE. the truth is that on in ancient EGYPT (where all religions defected from) did one gain the true knowledge of THE ALL. there systeme was not belief, but knowledge...think.

  

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okayheckler

Fri Feb-23-01 11:00 PM

  
128. "RE: it wasn't the religion that enslaved us..."
In response to Reply # 42


          

actually a lot of the Egyptians teachings was based on beliefs no hardcore knowledge or facts. they were great scientists and were very knowledgable for the time but all religion is based on faith. you can use all the logic you want to back up your beliefs but you are basically walking blindly praying there will always be a ground under you.

to think that religion enslaves you is absurd. its supposed to give you direction and focus. the basic ground rules for healthy living. of course this does effect your mode of thinking but look so does music.

all that 5%er stuff is dead. supreme mathematics ain't gonna save you.
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43. "Thank You ! n/m"
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5. "Uuummmm"
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read the bible......

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44. "Thank You! n/m"
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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 05:56 AM

  
60. "RE: Uuummmm"
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"read the bible" is something someone who has little background knowledge of their "beliefs" says, maybe you should try reading something other than the bible.

  

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6. "Ummmmm........."
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>Can someone please explain to me why Black people are Christians? How can you be a religion that murdered and enslaved you?

I askr my Muslim brethren the same thing whenever they use that argument!




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AmeriKaan nUumber

Tue Feb-20-01 05:04 PM

  
7. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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"i'm sick and tired of people saying that Christianity is responsible for slavery. "

who enforced slavery? the primitive white race. Afrikan's were not Christian's that is the point. Why do black people feel as though that religion is so righteous, Christianity is some evil @#$% Who the hell is Christ? Is this person Afrikan?

  

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9. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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"Activism is the practice of using an internal, self-determining source of power to live one's life and/or enact some sort of change. Power is the ability to define reality, while self-determination is to decide or define one's self. Therefore activism, is not simply something done to right some wrong or to fight some cause but rather it is a way of life. Activism is the way of life where one can define self and change anything that may impede or control the reality that one chooses to live."-Solarus


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11. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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Actually Christ is Ethiopian, and so was the first Christian church. What you are referring to is the European bastardized version of Christianity.....

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Tue Feb-20-01 05:28 PM

  
18. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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"Actually Christ is Ethiopian, and so was the first Christian church. What you are referring to is the European bastardized version of Christianity....."

Okay ummm...don't Black people practice the "bastardized" version of christianity? Why is the bible so important? You people can't really believe that those were actually the words of "GOD" ...the names are all fucked up, josh and Mathew-what the hell?

Religion is another form of control.

  

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21. "In truth"
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It is a form of control, which is not neccessarily a bad thing. It brings spiritual guidance and structure to daily living.

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 05:47 AM

  
56. "RE: In truth"
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Sir, having conrol over another person's mind or body is never...NEVER a "good" thing.

White Devil's having "control" over the Afrikan's mind, body etc. is why the Afrikan is so fucked up now. That control is why thousands of Black-Afrikan Amerikans are christians, that's all they know, that's all they think is "right" that is what they were taught to believe and that is what they were forced to believe.

  

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61. "even"
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if you follow the laws of KMT or that of a traditional Afrikan spirituality system you are following a religion. With guildlines and structure that are designed to bring stability and structure not only to the individual but to the community.

ahhh, man..

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140. "Just That"
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Christianity is not a religion, it is a doctrine. How can it be a religion when it is devoid of spirituality?

How can it be a religion when it has been used to conquer and control and kill... all in the name of god?

How can it be a religion for Black people when Black people who are of African descent have their own spiritual traditions, but cannot seem to wash this bit of spiritual imperalism from their soul?

How can it be a religion when Europeans are disconnected from the Cosmos and have no understanding of what it is to be connected to Everything and Nothing at all?

I must agree with the original precept of this post. Christianity is nothing more and nothing less than a vehicle for European culture hegemony. It was given to Black people to pacify them with their enslavement.

Although I do think that Black churches serve an important function because it brings the community(ies) together, I feel that Christianity runs the risk of tearing it apart.

My two cents.

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72. "the good side of it"
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is just that.

I mean, I feel like the author of this post definitely has a point (and that is part of the reason I am learning more about other religions/spiritual systems), but I feel like whatever gets you through the day and makes you a better person is all right by me.

I don't have to believe in it. But I can respect that you do.

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Nice1

Wed Feb-21-01 08:35 AM

  
90. "RE: the good side of it"
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I know that's right.

  

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51. "your angst"
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Is understandable I once felt the same way as you. I made that same statement many times not to long ago, but it is not that simple. In truth Christianity is practiced because of over 500 years of conditioning to practice it. The way Christianity is practiced is because it was the way Afrikans were "forced" to practice it. But dig deeper than that, and look beyond what was forced and instituted in today's society. AME, Baptist, The Nation of the Nuwabian Moors, the Black Isrealites each practice Christianity in their way.
The stories in the Bible can be traced to KMT(Egypt).the ten commandments are founded on the principles of MAAT. Jesus's birth and the story of Osiris. The story of Caan and Able. These teachings spread and expanded over time throughout the region over centuries. The Hebrews pulled many of these same teachings into a text "the Bible" when they began to practice their religion. Abraham, the father of the Hebrews, was born in Ethiopia as well. The Pope is documented to pray to the Black, Afrikan, Madonna hell Eastern Orthodox Catholics do as well, they know the truth. Son, I can spit all kinds of stuff at you, but what I ask of you is to read it for yourself, and not just a
a chapter in "Stolen Legacy" or the "Isis Papers", I mean read more, and form your own opinion after that. I do not endorse Christianity on anyone but I do encourage you to read and form become an independent thinker.

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54. "RE: your angst"
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If i was not an "independent thinker" i would be a christian like you.

  

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59. "Your reading"
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but not hearing...
read the post overstanding it. it does not require a responce.

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20. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

>>bastardized version of Christianity

isn't that oxymoronic?!?!

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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23. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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OK,, OK,,
I come out I am Christian. I do not feel that KMT and Christianity mirror in many ways, I practice with that in mind.

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24. "I meant"
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Christianity and the teachings of KMT mirror in many ways....And while they are not comepletly on in the same they both provide me with relevance in my life...


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AmeriKaan nUumber

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25. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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Dude the word "black-christian" should be an oxymoron.

  

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26. "Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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Go do a web search on the Coptic Church, Black Saints, and then come holla at us!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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28. "RE: Nigga, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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"While the Copts claim that their church was formed by the evangelist Mark, there are no historical sources that clearly tell how the Egyptian, later Coptic, church was formed."


The Coptic church is some white shyt too. (EVIL!!!!!)

I really hope you were not referring to me as "nigga"

  

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29. "hell yeah"
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

BRING IT!!!

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
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30. "No Use"
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I'm sure you can provide historical documentation to back this up............

If so, please, by all means do so!



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63. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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bullshit....the coptic church was later and an offshoot.
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76. "Christ asn't ethiopian, Falasha my ass n/m"
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THE SOULQUARIANS
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12. "Yes"
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Hotep

Christ stems the Greek "Kristos" which means "The Anointed." This tradition stems from The KMTic (ancient Egyptian) "KRST" which also means "the anointed." It was a title referring to the resurrected savior Asar (Osiris). It literally was in referrence to the dead body that is anointed with oils in preparation for burial. But It took on a greater meaning a Asr was a representation of the indwelling spirit. As far as the Biblical Jesus goes, most of the gospels are direct derivatives from the Asarian Drama and tales of Asar's son, Heru.

So in a sense he WAS AFRIKAN.

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15. "RE: Yes"
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

damn!!!!! i was too late. "nooooo orlando, nooooooo!!!!!!" <care of chezaray>


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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16. "True"
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But am refering to the new Testament and that of the individual man himself who was born on the border of Ethiopia and Egypt and spread many of the teachings of KMT throughout Persia.....

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17. "RE: True"
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

which teachings?


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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19. "RE: True"
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this book, my memory excapes me, I read about Jesus and his development in Afrika before he began his travels. The book can be found in the bookstore on Ashby and MLK. The ask the man at the desk. Funny, a Nuwabian peeped me to it, nothing against Nuwabians.

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141. "RE: Yes"
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Whether he was African or not, how is he used?

I mean, I adore a history lesson as much as anyone, but history don't mean shit if you don't bring it along with how it is used!

_Not_ to mention that Greeks used to go to Egypt all the time and learn from the KMT's... in fact, all this shit we are mired in today could be seen, in a sense, to be the result of an error made by Plato in trying to comprehend the KMT's teachings... substititing "or" for "and". A little mistake with HUGE consequences.

Everything points to Jesus being a Black man. From this you say, to what Dr. Francis Cress-Welsing writes. But the truth of the matter is that Jesus is not presented this way. When Europeans crusade in his name, the image they had in their heads is not an African Jesus. When they do "missions" in his name, the face they show people reflects theirs. This is yet another way (lie) they (white folks) have warped KMT's teachings and USE it to enslaved and bolster their own feelings of superiority and self-worth.

"If you Black, get back."

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22. "Chill Son"
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Your sword is not as sharp as other folks and you rushin into battle!!!


Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!! Not too say that Christianity does not have it's demons, however, I NEVER said Christianity was superior than another. It just happens to be the religion I practice.

You are mislead into believing that Christianity was not practiced in Africa, as another poster pointed out Ethiopia and The Coptic Church.

What do you think those Africans who practice ancestral religions, say about Islam? After all, Islam is not native to Africa either! Who do you think is getting targeted for the Slave trade in The Sudan?

Just something to think about............





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38. "RE: Chill Son"
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"Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!!"

what human rights are being violated?

  

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40. "RE: Chill Son"
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there is a modern day holocaust going on down there. basically, the sudanese (sp) government, which is run by a regime of muslim/islam dictators, is killing/enslaving/terrorizing any citizens who are non-muslims. they are enslaving children and forcing teachings of the quaran on them. they are amputating the breasts of non-muslim women so they cannot feed their children. they are destroying churches, killing villagers, and this is only a very small amount of what this government is doing to the people of the sudan. funny how the news isn't covering it. must not be any oil to win out there.

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49. "RE: Chill Son"
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okay let me rephrase.....where is the proof of what yall are talking about. and if the news aint coverin it, how did you get your info? show us the article(s) where you guys are gettin this info from? in other words,...put up, or......please be silent.

  

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57. "Aiight"
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Amnesty International's 2000 Report on Sudan.

http://www.web.amnesty.org/web/ar2000web.nsf/countries/afadc28d78525956802568f20055296e?OpenDocument



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68. "RE: Aiight"
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okay. got it.

but......,

"Check out the human rights violations occuring in Mali, Sudan and other countries in the Sahel area, and also in Malaysia/Indonesia(which is more teen prostitution). These are Muslim countries!!!!"

"basically, the sudanese (sp) government, which is run by a regime of muslim/islam dictators, is killing/enslaving/terrorizing any citizens who are non-muslims. they are enslaving children and forcing teachings of the quaran on them. they are amputating the breasts of non-muslim women so they cannot feed their children. they are destroying churches, killing villagers, and this is only a very small amount of what this government is doing to the people of the sudan. funny how the news isn't covering it. must not be any oil to win out there."

even if every muslim in the entire world was doing this, it is not Islam or part of Islam.there is a diff. between Islam and a muslim.

all muslims dont practice like theyare supposed to, like all christians dont practice like they are supposed to.

Jugde the people by Islam, dont judge Islam by the people!

"Islam is not native to Africa either!"
correct. but when the prophet muhammad sent muslims to ethiopia, why did the king Negus accept Islam? was he forced by muslims who were seeking his protection in the first place? or did he realize the truth?





  

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69. "Exactly"
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But the original stance was a broad general statement condemning Christianity as though Muslims had NEVER commited any heinous crimes.

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73. "RE: Exactly"
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but what's that got to do with Islam. nothing at all. the post is about black christians not black muslims.

and the diff. here is:
african slaves got they asses whooped into christianity, and african americans today CHOOSE Islam regardless of what is giong on in the world. they know it is the truth. do you think all those soldiers who went to Saudi during the Gulf War accepted Islam as their way of life so saddam wouldnt kill them? if so why are they still muslim.

thank Allah, dont thank me.

p.s. and those africans that were muslim slaves, do you think they were forced into Islam too....(see kunta kinte in Roots, brah)


  

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84. "RE: Exactly"
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i don't know, everyone has to make their own choices......i'm no theologian.....

but, here's a thought:

would you be christian if european colonists "whipped" islam into black slaves?

your beef isn't with christianity......your issue is with white america.....

if it weren't for beef with the white man, half of the blacks flocking to the muslim way of life wouldn't be there......

being a strong christian myself, i don't see the power in islam.....i don't see the attraction to muhammad, the quaran, etc, other than it puts black men and women on a pedestal (ie. god's/earths).....it's more of an esteem thing than a spiritual thing.....if there is more, please enlighten me.........



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92. "RE: Exactly"
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please see the post "Islam-What do you know about it." in okayactivist. it will explain the "gods/earths" stuff, as it is not Islam.

  

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i did and i understand that the 5% nation is a poor example of true islam.....however, with cats in hip hop so closely relating the two, brothas and sistas searching for somewhere to belong/something to believe in will associate one with the other ........

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86. "Please stop it."
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Hotep

Please quit giving misleading information about Africans and Islam. I don't want to do justice to it. Not here. Not now.

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88. "RE: Exactly"
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>but what's that got to do
>with Islam. nothing at all.
>the post is about black
>christians not black muslims.
>
>and the diff. here is:
>african slaves got they asses whooped
>into christianity, and african americans
>today CHOOSE Islam regardless of
>what is giong on in
>the world

And I suppose african americans can't CHOOSE christianity?

The point trying to be made is that you judge a religion by its teachings, not by its practitioners (just as you were saying). So if someone asks "how can african americans be christians", the response has been "why not?" (this doesn't ammount to an endorsement...just clarification).

There are plenty of "scientists" out there that aren't scientists at all...they are sensationalists trying to make a buck. Do I then, as a result, abandon science (and wonder how on earth anyone could EVER be a scientists)?

  

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95. "don't know about the Sudan?"
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pick up any book/article on conflict in modern Africa...

one of the local papers here sent reporters there a few years ago to expose the slave trade there.

in addition to the Amnesty Intl. link someone put up, check out archives at cnn.com or the Baltimore Sun paper, or other national news sources. Most places have done something on the topic in the last five years or so.

also check http://www.allafrica.com for breaking news/developments.

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When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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abduhu
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98. "RE: don't know about the Sudan?"
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but all of these items are written by non-muslims, who usually when reporting about anything in the islamic/muslim world report bias to their own beliefs. you testified to it yourself on another post. i believe it was "the princess and the marine". you know the media does not rep. the muslims right, because they have nothing to gain by doing so.

  

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100. "You're right..."
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On the biased reporting of Westerners, however slavery in Sudan does exist. Westerners would liken it to a Muslim vs. Christian and/or Baggara vs Dinka issue but the real issue is Arab and Arab-descended Muslims enslaving the lowly "abd" (black) despite whether he/she is Muslim, Christian or my favorite Western perjorative "Animist." All blacks are nonhuman thus deservng of being enslaved.

PEace
Solarus

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103. "u made my point n/m"
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LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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101. "taking the media out of it"
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as far as I've seen, the Muslim north has disenfranchised and tried to economically and otherwise destroy the Nubian South. Period.

Slavery exists in the Sudan. Period.

It can be good/bad, religious/secular, whatever. There are a million reasons for the "why," but the facts are there, regardless.

that was my only point.

L.
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LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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dabulmike

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107. "RE: don't know about the Sudan?"
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very true...

  

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39. "scattered remarks"
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mistagrump, true that.....

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32. "RE: Ummmmm........."
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Christ is not about destruction!! Don't blame God or Jesus for things that men have done. I agree that PEOPLE not Christ have caused many hardships, but Christ doesn't stand for that and you should know better for saying something like that. So called Christians take The Bible and try to fit it to their lives instead of altering themselves to the word of God. Christ is about love for your fellow men and if there isn't love, there isn't Christ. The question you should be asking is how can people call themselves Christians when they aren't about LOVE??

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91. "See"
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What I'm going to say now is that the anger in your words is the direct result of ignorance. First of all, yes I am black, but since you seem to be so into history lessons, how about we discuss the fact that christians did not invent slavery? How about we discuss the fact that slavery was practiced long before Christians arose? How about we discuss the fact that slavery was present in Africa between BLACK tribes long before christians visited the continent? How about we discuss the fact that some tribes were known to trade blacks to Europeans for personal gain during the time of "american slavery" which is all anyone ever seems to refer to as if their knowledge does not extend beyond our own country's short history. Religion does not enslave anyone. You believe what you chose to believe. According to others who have posted, ALL religions enslave because there is no fact behind them? The same thing exists in science except we refer to it as "theory" yet noone seems to question it. How many of you have ever seen an atom? An electron? But you do believe they exist correct? Your choice not to believe in Christianity (or even god for that matter) is in itself a belief. All things fall prey to corruption if not properly maintained. even your speech is corrupt. You seek justification for something which does not concern you because you absolve yourself from it, yet you constantly degrade it as if it needs your approval. Were you firm in your own belief and even lack thereof, then you would need no reassurance. you would be content with the knowledge you feel you possess above everyone else. But you're not, so this discussion is indeed pointless...

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I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
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115. "just because youve never seen one"
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doesnt mean atoms dont exist. we are at the point where we can take pictures of atoms and i can post links if you really need it

It's time for us to stand up for ourselves like men and women. You let a muthafucker kick you five times, he's gonna kick you five times. You let him kick you three times, he's gonna kick you three times. You let him kick you twice, he'll kick you twice. You let him kick you once, he'll kick you once. But if you break off the muthafuckin feet, ain't gonna be no more kickin goin on kid.

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118. "Actually, you've proven my point..."
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You accept the validity of the pictures on faith. You, as an individual have no concept of science other than what people tell you. I can create a picture of what should be "an atom" on photoshop and you'd never know the difference. Why? because you accept on FAITH. Meaning you believe the information that's been presented. Whether you like it or not, life is based on belief. Someone tells you something and either you choose to accept it or you don't. When was the last time YOU looked at an atom? When was the last time YOU took a picture of an atom? You haven't. You simply accpet what others have told you is "science."

"the malice I use is comparable to a warlock." - Murdoc

"I never said that battlin me, would be impossible
I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
You talkin to a nigga that can split molecules
to subatomic particles, strong enough to stop a bull
Body-slam two oxes and drop a mule
Urinatin rocket fuel" - Canibus

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isisbabyboy

Fri Feb-23-01 09:44 PM

  
126. "RE: See"
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Excuses Excuses

  

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Sole Man

Wed Feb-21-01 09:23 AM

  
102. "RE: Ummmmm........."
In response to Reply # 7


          

In the Sudan do Muslims still enslave Blacks? So how is slavery in Africa all Christians faults. In the Sudan the Muslims, orodox I believe, still enslave Blacks because they believe that they are superiour to the Blacks

  

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8. "I do. It is just as guilty."
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10. "RE: I do. It is just as guilty."
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

clarify

Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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utamaroho

Tue Feb-20-01 05:11 PM

  
13. "RE: I do. It is just as guilty."
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"REAL RECOGNIZE REAL, and even more than that, the fake, they REALLY REALLY recognize REAL!" -BlackThought

"STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK,STAY BLACK" -Mos Def

actually, nevermind. leave them with something... i mean for real, no need to take souls today. by the way, how's your superchristian roomate? president of the IMF yet or a pastor of some evangelistic tent church? hahahahaha, i beter stop


Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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14. "I disagree"
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I understand the concerns with the bible as it refers to the ancient text, the Old Testament, and how it borrowed many of the principles of MAAT and that of KMT. But you cannot argue the point that Christ, I hate using the Roman term for him, was Ethiopian..

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Tue Feb-20-01 06:05 PM

  
27. "OH NO!"
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MaNNNNNNNN.......HOW COME YALL DON'T KNOW HIS ETHIOPIAN NAME? YALL MAKING SHYT UP NOW
CHRISTIANITY IS EVIL!!!!!!!!! AND IT AINT NO AFRIKAN RELIGION.

WAS NOT THE AFRIKAN A POWER; WAS SHE NOT GREAT ONCE? HONEST STUDENTS OF HISTORY CAN RECALL THE DAY WHEN EGYPT, ETHIOPIA AND TIMBUKTU TOWERED IN "THEIR" CIVILIZATION, WHEN THEY TOWERED ABOVE EUROPE, TOWERED ABOVE ASIA. WHEN A RACE OF CANNIBALS, A RACE OF HEATHENS INHABITED EUROPE. AFRIKA WAS PEOPLED WITH A RACE OF BLACK MEN AND WOMEN WHO WERE CULTURED AND REFINED;MEN WHO, IT IS SAID WERE LIKE THE "GODS"
THE AFRIKAN-AMERIKAN WAS SHREDDED FROM HIS/HER CULTURAL IDENTITY, THE PSYCHOLOGICAL EFFECTS, OF IT? WELL I GUESS ANOTHER WORD FOR ZOMBIE SHOULD BE CHRISTIAN.

  

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Ylana

Tue Feb-20-01 09:41 PM

  
31. "Oh yeah"
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Wow! I just got into it with some folks the other day over this same topic. Why (I asked)--with so many languages and cultures on this earth--would there be "ONE" and only one "TRUE" religion. Why is Christianity the bridge to the "sweet hereafter" for so many black folks? Why are Indigenous African Religions/Culture so threatning to Aframs/Africans alike? People choose to forget that Africans were doing their own thing long before they were beat over the head generation after generation with the likes of Ch...,Ca... and Is... . Total conversion comes about when you have convinced a people that EVERYTHING about them is backwards and wrong. Words like "Ugly", "Dirty", "Barbaric" and "Heathen" have all done a great disservice to the well-being of black people. So many institutions so little time...

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

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33. "RE: OH NO!"
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Wassup AmeriKaan nUumber. I am a Roman Catholic myself, and I have learned that Christ was Aramaic, I think. So in His own earthly native tongue, His name was Yeshua or something like that. In English, this would be translated to Joshua. The name Jesus, I forgot, I'm sorry. I think it might mean the chosen one, but I might be thinking of "Christ" which someone already mentioned means "anointed".

I do believe (after attending a workshop for Catholic educators/ ministers by a priest of the Dominican Order) that Christian rituals and beliefs, in Roman Catholicism anyway, certainly do have roots in Egyptian culture. He said that Baptism, was an Egyptian "import", so to say, among other things. My belief is that because of this, Blacks, Africans, etc. equally share ownership of Christianity, regardless of what KKKristians say. So you have every right to reform the evils of this world to absolute truth, because Christ is alive and in YOU. And true Christians will be right by your side in helping quench the thirst for truth. Don't let the wolves in sheep's clothing claiming Christianity while acting as devils detract you friend.

Freedom and Peace,
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94. "RE: OH NO!"
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Here yo go again spouting only what makes you look good. if you review history, you can find a time where ANY race was in power above the others. You're killing your own argument. Once again, I am a black christian, but the point you're making is absurd, that everything was perfect before christianity? Then why did it decline? Assume for a moment that christianity was evil and did cause it (which I don't believe) but with that in mind, then it wasn't that perfect if the society was so easily uprooted then was it?

"the malice I use is comparable to a warlock." - Murdoc

"I never said that battlin me, would be impossible
I just think it's highly motherfuckin improbable
You talkin to a nigga that can split molecules
to subatomic particles, strong enough to stop a bull
Body-slam two oxes and drop a mule
Urinatin rocket fuel" - Canibus

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Virgil Thadeus

Wed Feb-21-01 12:19 AM

  
34. "Here we go, listen up..."
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>Can someone please explain to me
>why Black people are Christians?

Because they feel the principles of the Bible are true and contain valuable relevence to thier spiritual needs/beleifs.

>How can you be a
>religion that murdered and enslaved
>you?

The religion had nothing to do with the murdering or enslaving of Africans. People who acted in ingnorance were to blame for enslaving my ancestors. They were not lead by the church or protestant movement to do what they unjustly did.

>Christians robbed the Afrikan
>of her language, of her
>Gods, of her culture, of
>her human dignity.

Christianity was not forced on Africans. If you remember we were brought here as slaves and to work. The white man could have cared less what religion we embraced. They wouldn't have forced the Bible on them if anything which embraces harmony among all people.


>Christianity was
>forced on the Afrikan by
>the primitive white race, please
>explain to me how any
>person of Afrikan decent can
>honor this blasphemic religion.


Who is Christianity blasphemic to? Have you completely dismissed the idea that once African were here and exposed to Christianity they made a chioce to take up the religion. Earlier you said that they were stripped of thier culture and what not. While agree with you on that you make it seem like that because they were taken from thier home they didn't get a chance to find a spirituality that was comfortable for them. Isn't that what matters most? I know black people that are Christians do not embrace the mistakes other people claiming to part of the religion have done, they embrace the teachings of it's scriptures and contentment it rbings thier spirit.





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82. "can't agree w/ some of this"
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>>Can someone please explain to me
>>why Black people are Christians?
>
>Because they feel the principles of
>the Bible are true and
>contain valuable relevence to thier
>spiritual needs/beleifs.

true...but over time, we have metamorphasized the faith in several ways to do just that. Check the practices of some independent African Christian churches, sects like the AME church and the Shrine of the Black Madonna (is that the right title?)


>>How can you be a
>>religion that murdered and enslaved
>>you?
>
>The religion had nothing to do
>with the murdering or enslaving
>of Africans. People who acted
>in ingnorance were to blame
>for enslaving my ancestors. They
>were not lead by the
>church or protestant movement to
>do what they unjustly did.

They were led by the church. Many many many reverends and church leaders pointed out passages to enforce the ideology and practice of slavery. Yes, there were many who did just the opposite, but you can't say that it didn't come from the mouths of Christian leaders of the time.



>>Christians robbed the Afrikan
>>of her language, of her
>>Gods, of her culture, of
>>her human dignity.
>
>Christianity was not forced on Africans.
>If you remember we were
>brought here as slaves and
>to work. The white man
>could have cared less what
>religion we embraced. They wouldn't
>have forced the Bible on
>them if anything which embraces
>harmony among all people.

Oh they cared. If they didn't, then Africans would have been allowed to beat drums to communicate. They would not have had to hide their Gods behind Catholic saints. They would have learned to write down their religious tenets in the language of the New World. Shit like that. If you've read anything about the "black codes" or any other laws implemented around religious services and gatherings of slaves, then you would know this to be completely untrue. Slaveowners cared what religion they practiced. They cared a great deal.


>>Christianity was
>>forced on the Afrikan by
>>the primitive white race, please
>>explain to me how any
>>person of Afrikan decent can
>>honor this blasphemic religion.
>
>
>Who is Christianity blasphemic to? Have
>you completely dismissed the idea
>that once African were here
>and exposed to Christianity they
>made a chioce to take
>up the religion.

It wasn't always a choice. They were (or at the very least pretended) to be Christian or they were punished.


>Earlier you
>said that they were stripped
>of thier culture and what
>not. While agree with you
>on that you make it
>seem like that because they
>were taken from thier home
>they didn't get a chance
>to find a spirituality that
>was comfortable for them. Isn't
>that what matters most?

yes, that is what matters, but if you look at the history of the Black church in America, there was always something missing from the ideals of "White" (for lack of a better term) Christianity that caused Black folk to form their own centers of worship and cultural expressions within those centers.

maybe u know all this and just didn't express it, but I just had to drop my two cents.

L.
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KizzMyBlakAzz: you've made yourself a shell
KizzMyBlakAzz: i know you're soft and gooey on the inside
LHoney17: I know I am....never said I wasn't
LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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Ylana

Wed Feb-21-01 05:38 PM

  
113. "Say What?"
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>>Christianity was not forced on Africans. If you remember we were brought here as slaves and to work. The white man could have cared less what religion we embraced. They wouldn't have forced the Bible on them if anything which embraces harmony among all people.>>

You can't be serious. Not only was it forced on African slaves, but the same could most certainly be said for African people on the continent herself (via missionaries, etc.). As soon as the boats docked, anxious "masters" went to work renaming African "slaves": Ezekiel, David, Martha--you know--straight from the good book. The ancestors were beat and tortured for speaking in their native tongue and often times killed for practicing "heathen" ceremonies or rituals--Murdered in the name of what was "right" and used as examples for those who dared to embrace their OWN culture...It is certainly understandable why black folks are so convinced today...That's all I have to say for now...

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

"I'm tryin' to soar to altitudes unknown to man, woman or the most agile of birds" --yours truly

"your people first. a quiet strength. the positioning of oneself so that observation becomes reaction, where study is preferred to night life, where emotion is not seen as a weakness. love for self, family, children and extensions of self is beyond the verbal"
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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 07:12 PM

  
116. "RE: Say What?"
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EXACTLY

  

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Ylana

Thu Feb-22-01 07:24 PM

  
119. "May I ask..."
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of what faith you are? I'm not sure if anyone has asked this question earlier (my bad if they did)... Or do you even classify yourself? I ask because I see we share some of the same views...

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

"I'm tryin' to soar to altitudes unknown to man, woman or the most agile of birds" --yours truly

"your people first. a quiet strength. the positioning of oneself so that observation becomes reaction, where study is preferred to night life, where emotion is not seen as a weakness. love for self, family, children and extensions of self is beyond the verbal"
--Haki R. Madhubuti

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Sun Feb-25-01 11:33 AM

  
131. "RE: May I ask..."
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I don't know if your talking to me or not, but I dont have a "said" religion...I believe in a higher power. I don't think I could ever be one religion, some things make sense to me some do not, they are all just "beliefs."



I posted this topic (Black Christians-what the hell?) just to get a reaction out of people.





"I wonder how shyt like the Koran and Bible was written; are they really GODs words? What is religion?..."-Tupac

  

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Ylana

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132. "right on"
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How many wars have been waged in the name of religion?
How many people have died because of simple disagreements? How many folks claim that THEIR religion is the true and ONLY one? If the "Chosen" people were asked to stand and be counted--I don't think there'd be one butt left in it's seat...Peace on Earth???

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

"I'm tryin' to soar to altitudes unknown to man, woman or the most agile of birds" --yours truly

"your people first. a quiet strength. the positioning of oneself so that observation becomes reaction, where study is preferred to night life, where emotion is not seen as a weakness. love for self, family, children and extensions of self is beyond the verbal"
--Haki R. Madhubuti

  

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35. "don't blame the message"
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Look homey, I understand your angst.
It is just misdirected.
White supremacists don't practice Christianity.
Neither do Black Nationalists for that matter.
Christianity is probably the hardest religion to follow because it has been perverted by ALL.
The bottom line is that Christianity is a personal path that comes to you through prayer to GOD and an open, objective understanding of the bible combined with the greatest force on Earth, FAITH.

Youmight want to ask our Islamic brothers why they practice their religion. They enslaved Afrika first. Then you might want to ask practicers of religions indigenous to Afrika why they did not unite under one common idealogy hence leaving them open to the decimation and destruction of most of the continents social structure by the so called "Islamic and Christian" raiders

Like I said, you anger is understandable it is just not well thought out. The truth is always black and white and concrete, it is just usually not fully seen by our eyes.




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Wed Feb-21-01 05:51 PM

  
114. "and 'the truth' is?"
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I, for one, am very interested in the answer to this one...(no joking)

"We live the now for the promise of the infinite" --Mos Def

"I'm tryin' to soar to altitudes unknown to man, woman or the most agile of birds" --yours truly

"your people first. a quiet strength. the positioning of oneself so that observation becomes reaction, where study is preferred to night life, where emotion is not seen as a weakness. love for self, family, children and extensions of self is beyond the verbal"
--Haki R. Madhubuti

  

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Wed Feb-21-01 03:30 AM

  
36. ""
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Slavery was created in Africa. Africans enslaved Africans before Europeans, although African slavery was not as brutal as European slavery and African slavery offered slaves freedom through work, money,time etc.

The big three religons all had slavery Judaism, Islam and Christianity. Check out the life of Muhammad and Fatima - much violence, slavery and sexism.

Religion is all about faith, not a tic for tac - you did this now I will do that game. Remember, most religon was created by man, changed by man and used by man for man's sake.

Christianity, through man, used slavery just as the U.S. Constitution used slavery. But, slavery was defeated by Christianity and the U. S. Constitution.


  

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37. ""
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"Muhammad and Fatima - much violence, slavery and sexism."

where did you get your info from about them?

  

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alwingo

Wed Feb-21-01 05:25 AM

  
50. ""
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The History Islam, The Early Prohets, and various history books. The life and death of Muhammad, Fatima, and there direct family is steeped in violence. Not to say Islam is better or worse than Judaism or Christianity, but they all had slavery.

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 05:31 AM

  
53. ""
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lol but that slavery was nothing..NOTHING like what those white christian devils did to the Afrikans here in Amerikan.

  

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If you are defending Islam, while slamming Christianity... Wow..

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alwingo

Wed Feb-21-01 07:47 AM

  
78. ""
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True. American slavery was the worst in history. Egyptian slavery was like working for IBM compared to slavery in the southern states of America and the docking ports in the Carribean.

  

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55. ""
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and who were these books written by? can we have names please.
it's only fair since you are calling a man and his daughter out by their names, so give us the name(s) of the callers, pleease.

  

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alwingo

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81. ""
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You miss my point, although you can look up any reputable book about the history of Islam and see the violence that Muhammad and Fatima went through in their journey. I am just using their lives as an example. And yes, Christianity and Judaism have examples for violence, slavery and sexism too.

What I am saying is that you can not blame a religon, a belief system, for what men and women do.

I also do not believe you can say one religon or belief system is better than the other. It all comes down to the person or people within the religon.

I find it interesting that Islam is the only religon that excepts the validity of other religions as far as believing that good Christians can go to Paradise/Heaven. No other religion believs or preaches this.

Also, Islam never tried to "wipe out" other religons like Judaism and Christianity did. Muslims just taxed believers of other religons after they conquered them. Check out the Moors in Spain and Italy.

  

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41. "Slave"
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Attempt the Ascent, Free a Slave


Qur'an: Surah 90 Al-Balad (The City)
Nay, I swear by this city... We verily have created man in an atmosphere... But he hath not attempted the Ascent, Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Ascent is! It is to free a slave, And to feed in the day of hunger, An orphan near of kin, Or some poor wretch in misery. And to be of those who believe and exhort one another to perseverance and exhort one another to pity.

And THIS is Islaam.

The word "slave" in Islam does not mean the same thing as the American slave in years past. The word means more like servant, maid, fieldhand, or anyone who does not work for himself. One who relies on his/her employer for food,clothing,shelter, and/or protection. Allah Knows Best.


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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 05:17 AM

  
47. ""
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Slavery was not created in Afrika.

  

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alwingo

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48. ""
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Civilization was born in Africa. African tribes traded slaves that were captured from defeated tribes.

  

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45. ""
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>Can someone please explain to me
>why Black people are Christians?
>How can you be a
>religion that murdered and enslaved
>you?

First of all u answered ur own question. simple becuz Black people could be Christians if they are robbed of their own culture etc etc. but thats true about all religions. becuz whether people realize it or not all religions are ALIEN to Black people!! and furthermore, i dont think its a Black issue. i think that ALL people no matter what their so-called race is accept religion for generally the same reasons...ignorance, faith, belief etc etc. its all boils down to the devil trying to keep us from knowing our own potential, and keeping us from realizing that WE ARE GODS!!! (psalms 82:6 amoung many others)


  

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Wed Feb-21-01 05:29 AM

  
52. ""
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BELIEFS ARE IGNORANT

  

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46. "Are you asking a question or making a statement? n/m"
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58. "there's a difference"
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between seeking knowledge and picking a "cyberfight"

if the original poster REALLY wanted to understand they would have done the one of following:

- checked the archives (been there discussed this)
- asked like they has some sense (the way this question is posed is like someone asking "why you so stupid")

don't take the bait y'all


  

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62. "Question"
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who is a bigger fool:

the fool himself or the one who entertains them?

think about it.

  

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66. "I 'am a fool"
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What am I doing ?????

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65. ""
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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 06:45 AM

  
67. "ENDING........"
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This is a great controversial issue.
Sometimes we hold these "beliefs," often very strongly as you can see, even though many of us don't have a good sufficient background knowledge and have been engaged in too little thought to be able to intelligently support our "beliefs." I think that it is important for all people to examine those "beliefs" that they hold so strongly, for consistency and believability. Often too many times our "beliefs" are grossly inaccurate or shallow, and tends to yield grossly inaccurate, inappropriate, or self-defeating conclusions.

I have been living in this world for almost nineteen years now, and my "beliefs" change, Beliefs are ignorant, once a person takes the time to acquire a good supply of background facts to improve there existing stock of beliefs, they will be able to began weeding those out that prove to be false, and maybe then we can consider expanding our minds and begin to except all people for their "beliefs" which I personally "believe" will bring unity among people, because right now all i see is "I'm a Christian im right, your something else your wrong" the fact is religion itself is nothing but a lot of "beliefs" past down.

I am a very spiritual person I know that there is a higher force (you can call it whatever u wish) that is the reason why we breathe, why we die, why we pray or meditate, have faith, etc., without a "said" religion I am free to experience my GOD in so many ways.
One "belief" i do have though, is that "GOD" is apart of every living organism, I know that when we kill something or someone that we are killing apart of "GOD"

"KNOWLEDGE NOT RENEWED, QUICKLY BECOMES IGNORANCE."-Peter Drucker

  

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70. "RE: ENDING........"
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so when you take a dump, are you dumping out God? since he is a part of everything. or how about menstural blood, perhaps. what about snot? hmmmm....... since you say god is part of everything.

cmon, okayplayer. i know you got more sense than that.

i seek refuge in God from all that yall are acsribing to Him.
To you your thoughts, and to me mine.

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 07:05 AM

  
71. "RE: ENDING........"
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*sigh* GOD is apart of all of us Spiritually, GOD created life.


  

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77. "RE: ENDING........"
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God created everything that exists. but dont mean he's a part of it. if thats the case, then no more african americans should complain anymore about slavery being forced on our ancestors, b/c "a part of God" dwelled in those indivs.and that would mean that it was realy God who enslaved us. Right?

Wrong. THe spirit of God, the essence of God, nothing of God dwells in any of us. period. point blank.

we are the creation, he is The Creator. God sits on his throne far away from this madness, and yet still sees and hears everything we say.

the only thing that dwells inside of us, is our soul. and one day, we all got to give it up. and give it back to The One who created it in the first place.

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 07:50 AM

  
79. "RE: ENDING........"
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"God created everything that exists. but dont mean he's a part of it. if thats the case, then no more african americans should complain anymore about slavery being forced on our ancestors, b/c "a part of God" dwelled in those indivs.and that would mean that it was realy God who enslaved us. Right?"

white people are evil, evil has nothing to with GOD, they are demons they stem from beneath, but that's another topic.

  

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142. "INSANE!!!!!!!"
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>white people are evil, evil has
>nothing to with GOD, they
>are demons they stem from
>beneath, but that's another topic.

are you serious?
you're condeming an entire group of people, the ones that past the ones that are here and the ones to come? are you 4real?
that entire sentence you wrote was completley ingnorant and racist, it was simply disgusting!

i could say black people are all lazy savages, totally uncivilized. you see how absurd that sounds. well thats how u sound.

hatred disgusts me

  

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AmeriKaan nUumber

Wed Feb-21-01 07:54 AM

  
80. "RE: ENDING........"
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It is my "belief" that "GOD" is apart of us.
Do you understand "belief?"

  

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83. "RE: ENDING........"
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your belief based on.......

  

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89. "RE: ENDING........"
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>God created everything that exists. but
>dont mean he's a part
>of it. if thats the
>case, then no more african
>americans should complain anymore about
>slavery being forced on our
>ancestors, b/c "a part of
>God" dwelled in those indivs.and
>that would mean that it
>was realy God who enslaved
>us. Right?

Ummmm...if "God" is the TRUE beginning...if "God" created EVERYTHING...then is not "God" responsible for evil as well (or the devil that you ascribe that evil to)?

God...this sounds like metaphysics101.

  

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93. "RE: ENDING........"
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he created the devil, and allows hinm to tempt us in all ways.

in other words, he allows the evil to take, man just falls into the trap that Evil sets.

and contrary to popular belief, the only power the devil has is the power of suggestion.

think about it.

think about every evil thing that you might have done, it was a thought first, right? then either you overpowered the thought and moved on to something else, or you succumbed to the thought and fell prey to the devil and his whisperings.

  

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99. "RE: ENDING........"
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true....God created us with the freedom of choice.....if we were not free to choose, could He really say that we loved Him? that's why there is "evil"....anything that is against the will of God is "evil".....that's life's struggle.....God or evil.....

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97. "that was fkin ignorant n/m"
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74. "why do u care?"
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75. "i ask that everyday n/m"
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87. "you smell good! n/m"
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Nuwb or "blackness" is supreme balance before the chaos was introduced. It was a state of sound, right reasoning. That darkness was triple darkness, which is what you would call the absence of consciousness, or the state of being awoke. In actuality, the dream state is more real and peaceful than the chaos you meet once you are awake. A form of spiritual darkness responsible for the spark that turned on the light that is the life and intellect of all who breathe and think.
When the light is turned on again, the chaos begins. The differentiation begins. The separation begins. The rights and the wrongs, the goodness and the badness; the supreme balance is broken and the ego begins to verse the "I."

  

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85. "Do you want the TRUTH?"
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Hotep

I was going to drop some TRUTH on the faulty foundations of Christianity but the tone of this thread has turned for the worst. The TRUTH would automatically be rejected in defense of already hurt feelings.

Therefore I recommend everyone take a look at "OkayBlackourstorymonth" for a review on relevant topics under "Significance of the African Priesthood."


PEace
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104. "G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)"
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Are we all Common fans on this board? Everyone just needs to cool out and listen to Common's "G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)" on one day it'll all make sense. It ain't about the religion - it's about having the spirituality brought by God, or Allah, or Jah, - the knowledge of "a being that's supreme to you."

One

"As a child given religion with no answer to 'why?'" -Common

"Koran and the Bible, to me, they all vital and got truth within 'em. Gotta' read them boys!" -Common

"... and try to use religion as an emblem when it should be a natural way of life. Who am I or they to say to whom you pray ain't right?" -Common

  

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105. "go 'head n/m"
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110. "RE: G.O.D. (Gaining One's Definition)"
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i think it's cool to learn about the beliefs of other cultures, but you can't go believing/following parts of any and every doctrines......you get sick eating off every plate that is handed to you......i think when you do that, you take what you like and create your own personal "faith"......i don't think that's right.....that would mean that truth is defined by what you believe.....(somethings are true whether you believe them or not).....and if God is truth, and every person has his own truth, that would mean every person serves their own God........what is that?.....there is only one truth, one God....one set of standards.....you have to be hot or cold.....the bible or the quaran......God spits the lukewarm out of His mouth......make a choice.....what if we could pick and choose what u.s. laws we followed......there would be chaos....when you mix and match different doctrines to fit what you want to believe you create spiritual chaos within yourself.....that's my imo.....not trying to be hostile...

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138. "hmm..."
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>i think when
>you do that, you take
>what you like and create
>your own personal "faith"......i don't
>think that's right.....that would mean
>that truth is defined by
>what you believe.....(somethings are true
>whether you believe them or
>not).....and if God is truth,
>and every person has his
>own truth, that would mean
>every person serves their own
>God........what is that?

well, some would say that there are universal concepts in most, if not all, religious systems (i.e. the golden rule, tenets similar to the ten commandments, the morals of certain parables/myths, etc). would you agree or disagree? and if you agree, if one person were to adhere to those universal rules, would they really be "wrong"? Just something to think about.

>.....there is only
>one truth, one God....one set
>of standards.....you have to be
>hot or cold.....the bible or
>the quaran......God spits the lukewarm
>out of His mouth......make a
>choice.....

What are you basing this on? What is wrong, for example, with the idea that there are many truths, but one God. i.e, One Being created the Universe, but because we as people were given free will/evolved in different climates/etc, we all interpreted the truth of this Creator in different ways. So while some may call Buddha, some Allah, and some Jehovah, we are all really appealing to the same benevolent force.


>what if we could pick
>and choose what u.s. laws
>we followed......there would be chaos....when
>you mix and match different
>doctrines to fit what you
>want to believe you create
>spiritual chaos within yourself.....that's my
>imo.....not trying to be hostile...

What's your take on nondenominational churches?

L.


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KizzMyBlakAzz: you've made yourself a shell
KizzMyBlakAzz: i know you're soft and gooey on the inside
LHoney17: I know I am....never said I wasn't
LHoney17: but that doesn't mean I get stepped on or that I'm not strong
KizzMyBlakAzz: Gooey
LHoney17: lol
KizzMyBlakAzz: Caramel
KizzMyBlakAzz: Center
LHoney17: lol....well that's a nice way to think of it
KizzMyBlakAzz: with like a hard choclate shell
LHoney17: think I'll put that in a personal ad
KizzMyBlakAzz: You're a Rollo
LHoney17: lmao
KizzMyBlakAzz: lmao

When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers
and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall -- think of it, ALWAYS. ~~Mahatma Gandhi

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139. "RE: hmm..."
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well, i do believe that there are some truths that are basically universal. i mean, people are basically the same and in every culture there is a longing for a supreme being. God speaks to us all, regardless to what we believe. adhering to these truths is not wrong at all. however, some folk pick and choose what they want to believe based on what they are willing and not willing to give up. i think that in itself is not so much wrong as it is a cop out of living a true spiritual life.

as for your second point, i'm a christian. the bible teaches that, like you said, there is only one God. however, allah, buddah, and jehovah are three different concepts!!! you can't call the God of abraham, buddah. buddah is not who God is. buddists do not believe in christ. christ is part of the God head. allah is not God. muslims do not acknowledge Jesus as the christ. my christian ideals will not allow me to fathom faith without christ. as far as being from different cultures, that is what the great commission is all about. every person who claims to be a child of the one true God and saved by His son, Jesus, was born to tell others about who God is. so, in india where hinduism is strong, we as christians are charged to go there and introduce them to christianity. then, it is there will to except or not to except. that's where free will comes into play; not in interpreting who God is.

non-denominational churches are the churches of the new millenium. i belong to one. a good non-denominational church put it's emphasis back on God's word, and takes emphasis off clothing, rituals, and old moves of God. that's why so many people leave the church, because people get caught up in rituals and how their parents worshiped God. God may not change His commandments/principles, but how He enforces them can, will, and, as a matter of fact, is!!!! for example, God is going to invade hip hop music. the youth ministry at my church actually has rap ciphers on sundays! the church is going to get back into the community, too. Jesus didn't kick it in the suburbs! He had lunch with lepors and prostitutes, so that He could reach people who were lost. the church is about to get back on that. for real. time's short, ya'll. sorry to go on like that. peace, b.

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dabulmike

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i feel u on that one... how could we respect the religion that was almost the death of our people... and the funny thing is people dont understand, when we were bought to this nation... we weren't allowed to fellowship... a few token blacks "house niggas" got to fellowship with whites... they took what they saw the white man doing and perceived it as the "right thing to do"... so now we have a bunch of so called christians who committ the same sins that their god Jesus is so against... wake up black america... we are still in the spell of levinthan...

  

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:-)

  

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109. "maybe..."
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maybe those enslaved black people saw the love of jesus christ despite the horrible acts that were being commitited against them. maybe they didnt worship because it was the "right thing to do." remember in amistad when the slaves began to see christs love by looking at biblical pictures, how jesus came to save everyone, PARTICUARLY the oppressed, the sick, the outkasts. and movies dont lie sooo...

  

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111. "Okayplayers are ignorant"
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Hotep

>maybe those enslaved black people saw
>the love of jesus christ
>despite the horrible acts that
>were being commitited against them.
> maybe they didnt worship
>because it was the "right
>thing to do." remember
>in amistad when the slaves

Historically inaccurate movie, moving on...

>began to see christs love
>by looking at biblical pictures,
>how jesus came to save
>everyone, PARTICUARLY the oppressed, the
>sick, the outkasts. and


>movies dont lie sooo...

You are jokin right?


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112. "RE: Okayplayers are ignorant"
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"Beliefs" are ignorant.

  

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117. "That statement is ignorant"
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Do you even understand the concept of belief? Whether you realize it, the statement you made is a belief. Quite a paradox we create for ourselves when we attempt to justify ignorance with ignorance. bottom line is this, you don't understand what others feel, they have something you don't and you're on the outside looking in. Deal with it, because until you come to realize that there's more to the world than you choose to accept, you'll always be ignorant. And that's the truth.

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120. "God life in expression..."
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i don't think you should question why anyone has FAITH in a Higher Being or Power. you should be praising that at the least. directing it to give our people direction. but you'd rather condemn a black person for being 'christian', when there are things like 'murderers'? gut check.

  

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122. "RE: God life in expression..."
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Being Christian, Muslim,or(your name here)ian....does NOT automatically change you into some faultless being. I know that all of the above have killed people so lets not become self righteous, okaaay?



Belief is based on perception.

  

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121. "the funny thing"
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by the fact that you're posting/reading everyone here is an OkayPlayer

hence, according to your logic all of us (including you) are ignorant

amusing

  

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123. "Ignorance..."
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Hey,

Let's not be offended brother BooDah. Ignorance is just the lack of knowledge, or education of a particular set (or sets) of arenas. I venture to say that none of the beings who post to this board are omniscient. By default, we're all ignorant some way or the other. Now, if the statement was intended to offend, what does that say about the initiator? I suppose it means he's ignorant to ignorance. (*whew!*)

If I were to state that belief was ignorance, here is the sequence of logic I'd use to build that statement. I would have to start with two statements:

"I believe 1+1=2".
"I know 1+1=2".

Only one of the previous statements require a mastery of addition. The latter. To state "I believe 1+1=2" could mean that you've heard it mentioned that way before, or you hypothesize that the statement is true, etc.... To state "I know 1+1=2" means that you have gone through the process of addition and reached that conclusion.

To put simply, knowledge is reached through some system of tests and or rules/procedures. Belief can just be reached (i.e. "I believe Apollo drags the sun around the earth on his chariot"). If one is forced to believe about a particular thing, he doesn't know. And, as we've already stated, not knowing set A is equivalent to being ignorant of set A. Now we have:

*Belief => not knowing
not knowing = ignorance

Hence (by the transitive property)

Belief => Ignorance.

I feel like I should write a proof for the new theorem I'm developing.

Peace

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124. "no doubt"
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>Let's not be offended brother BooDah.

never that. just making sure the implication is understood.

i agree that about much, ALL of us are ignorant. so to that extent my brother's comment is true. inferentially, if it was a "me/we vs. y'all" thing, which it may or may not have been, it was a little off (as you stated).


  

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125. "FYI"
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Hotep

It was a reaction to the specific post that I was responding to, i.e. the person who said movies don't lie.

It wasn't meant as a comment about EVERYONE. Not even the poster but moreso the comment.

Example Scenario:
A Black person (in person) says something completely ridiculous and I respond " Black folks is dumb as hell." Am I making a sweeping generalization? No. Considering that I am Black and KNOW I'm not dumb, this comment is more of a specific reaction to a specific person to a specific comment.


PEace
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okayheckler

Fri Feb-23-01 10:48 PM

  
127. ""
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Christianty didn't cause slavery.

ignorance did.

to think there would be no black christians without slavery is straight foolish.

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129. "True in a since, but"
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yeah everything you said is right but I don't think its about being Christian. I mean I'm christian and yes I have alot of disagreements with the church but I'm not their for the title nor the people in the institution. I am what I am because I believe in spirit, love, and life so that has me to believe in GOD and I believe in what he is capable of and his word. I have wavered all other faiths but it drove me back to this because life for me was only beautiful when I was where I am. So to say black people are crazy for being christians because the people enslaved us with it is not true. Because, if thats the case than people are crazy for beliveing in evolution. Evolution is nothing but the other races word them playing GOD writing their own bibles just giving it another title. Does encyclopedias sound right?

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unlent

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I feel that this is a very important discussion. I am baptized as a Christian but lately I have taken it upon myself to study other religions...Islam...Buddhism...etc. I feel that Christianity itself is not bad...its just that so many so-called Christians of the past and present manipulated the teachings for their own gain and not the gain of GOD. I read that the best theologian is the one that never talks about GOD because once you think you have an understanding of what you think GOD is--you become trapped by that thought. GOD transcends everything!! What can we possibly call GOD???? Let me know what you think. By the way, does anyone know any good books that explores traditional african religions? Thanks...PEACE...

  

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ok... i'm new here and i have been reading most of these posts.it's pretty on-point from what i have seen. but i just wanted to drop my 2 cents here. religion is the strongest form of control over the human masses. billions of people have died for their god at one or more times in the history of the world. but it's really just the the heads of the organized religion in question that is behind all the bullshit."go save people that pray to the "devil" if they don't follow the "true way to live than kill them" Think about it the only thing organized religion gives you is a feeling of not being alone in the world, that someone or something that watchs you and that your in "good hands". but if you don't follow the rules that the true "gd" has given you than YOU BURN IN HELL FOREVER. now that's some control. people die in wars because if they die in the blesses of your god then if you die you will live on with everyone you have loved in a place of bliss. that's a pretty shady story if i ever heard one. Now if everyone said F*ck organized religion and just live with good moral's and an open mind about new or odd things. maybe even think about the whole karma idea maybe "i" think we would be alittle better off. people that control themselfs are people truey free from all outside master's.


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Dyskotek

Mon Feb-26-01 05:03 AM

  
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Now if everyone said
>F*ck organized religion and just
>live with good moral's and
>an open mind about new
>or odd things.

Thats the equivalent to saying: "If everyone said f*ck organized law and just did what was right then there wouldnt be any need for police" The thing is, is that what is "right" is subjective. What may excuse the conscience of one may accuse the conscience of another. There have to be standards set for what is right by a higher power. Humans have been trying to govern themselves for centuries. That was the conflict in the garden of Eden. Satan proposed the idea that man only obeyed God because they had been given no other choice. So God has allowed men to be free moral agents ever since, and we see what the result has been. We kill each other without reservation, millons starve, while others stockpile. Humans said "f*uck organized religion" a long time ago. Most of the organized religion nowadays is a preversion of the original article. All those wars and enslavements would have taken place any way, just under a different banner.

now, :'( later....

  

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135. "the problem w/ the ?"
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as stated and ignored before (even after reading these posts) i'm still not convinced that this wasn't thrown out in an attempt do do nothing but start drama

like throwing a flame on an anthill.

to me this is tantamount to asking members of OTHER faiths the question: how can you follow a God who ALLOWS people to be persecuted, abused, etc?

or asking a child: how can you love a parent after they punish you?

or asking a student: how come you still go to school after you've failed a test?

or a parent: how can you love your child after they disobey you?

or a message board moderator: how can you keep on doing it without pay when the people you volunteer to help ignore/disrespect you?

in every case it takes a certain amount of maturity within responder to seperate the concept from extranous circumstances.

in the case of faith, some people are able to seperate the evil of humankind from the perfection (and example) of the holy.

i'm amazed at the fact that this discussion has been entertained to this degree.

y'all will discuss what you want, and i don't have a problem with that, but i sincerely wish you all would understand that polarized discussion rarely leads to any form of education, understanding, or even real satisfaction (beyond that which comes from "saying what you gotta say").

As moderator it is my hope that we would use this board to COMMUNICATE, learn and grow -- as well as make change through doing, but sadly too many would rather discourse than do.

such is life.

right now we have a book drive going. have you donated? have you even peeped the post? if that isn't your bag, what HAVE you brought to the table besides hot air. this isn't to disrepsect the value of activism through dialog, but truth be told how many of us want this to be a message board that's noting more than a sundae with tons of whipped cream and sparkles, but no ice cream (hopefully that analogy isn't too far out for y'all)?

are you the sound or the noise? do you only RESPOND to the sound, or the noise?

(those are rhetorical questions)

call it elitist or whatever if you like, but THIS board is supposed to be about something better than the same old bull that you can find on countless internet message boards. how about we all make a concerted effort to help it be just that?

stay blessed

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Mon Feb-26-01 08:51 AM

  
136. "ya know somtehing?"
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I don't even come to THIS board anymore because of the simple fact that it is turning into a "political and cultural General Board" where people just start MORE BEEF.
I act.



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it is what it is. fundamentally, it's a message board, and by default it's purpose is communication.

additionally, part of the thought was that this could be a board where more "serious" (however loosely defined that might be) topics could marinate a while longer.

but again, if the discussions lead to nothing more than me vs. you, then what's the point? we all know there are folk out there who disagree with us, and it's fine to bring the viewpoints here for some sort of discourse.

but it's really getting hard to seperate the signal from the static.

an opinion without reason, or a comment without communication is pointless and just noise (be it audible or digital).

am i the only one who sees this, and would rather CHANGE it, rather than just avoid/leave the board altogether?

how we gonna change whatever ails is if we're sick ourselves?


  

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