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"Urb bailing on J'ville for USC?"


          

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32213751/urban-meyer-says-there-no-chance-leave-jacksonville-jaguars-usc-trojans-job

Urban Meyer says there's "no chance' he'd leave Jacksonville Jaguars for USC Trojans job

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Scratch Urban Meyer off the list of candidates for the USC football job.

The Jacksonville Jaguars coach said Wednesday that there was "no chance" he'd leave the NFL for that job, which came open when USC fired coach Clay Helton on Monday.

"I'm here and committed to try to build an organization," Meyer said.

Earlier this month Meyer had also said he doesn't miss recruiting.

Meyer is in his first season with the Jaguars after winning three national championships and compiling a 187-32 college coaching record during stints at Bowling Green, Utah, Florida and Ohio State. He won two of those titles (2006, 2008) with the Gators, whom he led to a 65-15 record in six seasons. He also led the Buckeyes to the 2014 national title and compiled an 83-9 record in seven seasons in Columbus, Ohio.

Meyer's tenure with the Jaguars has gotten off to a bit of an uneven start. He hired former Iowa strength and conditioning coordinator Chris Doyle, who had reached a separation agreement with Iowa after being accused of making racist comments and belittling players. Doyle resigned the following day.

Meyer also had No. 1 overall pick Trevor Lawrence splitting first-team practice reps with Gardner Minshew throughout the majority of training camp, only naming Lawrence the starting quarterback between the second and third preseason games. Minshew was traded to the Philadelphia Eagles before the start of the season.

The Jaguars looked sloppy in their season-opening 37-21 loss in Houston on Sunday. They had six dropped passes, used two timeouts in the first quarter to avoid delay-of-game penalties, had multiple illegal formation penalties, and also were penalized for having 12 men in the huddle. Lawrence also threw three interceptions.

Meyer dismissed critics of his body language on the sideline during the loss and reiterated that he's committed to turning around a franchise that has lost 10 or more games in nine of the past 10 seasons. He also said he believes the team can win and likes what he has seen in the locker room.

"I don't want to ever fall into that trap of saying, this is four-year plan, three-year plan," Meyer said. "That's not fair to players. This is a one-game plan and then we'll worry about the next game. There's some guys that played a lot of football in that locker room and they deserve our very best, and that's what it is. Other than a bruised soul that we all have right now, we're still swinging away, and like I said, you'd probably see a little different look on my face if I had bad guys. That's not the case at all."

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Mods, change the goddamn title.
Sep 15th 2021
1
LOL.
Sep 15th 2021
4
Wasn’t Saban staying at Miami?
Sep 15th 2021
2
Yeah I don't really see him making a move midseason
Sep 15th 2021
3
      He may not make it to mid season. I knew this would end badly
Oct 07th 2021
143
Its stupid how Meyer and Matt Rhule were immediately named
Sep 15th 2021
5
RE: Its stupid how Meyer and Matt Rhule were immediately named
Sep 15th 2021
6
Meyer coached 1 damn game in the NFL.
Sep 16th 2021
8
      We all know how that story ends. You think he’s going sit through…
Sep 16th 2021
11
           shit man you should really stay out of the Urban prediction business
Sep 16th 2021
12
           I honestly dont care its just fun to see Suckeye fans still get riled up...
Sep 16th 2021
13
                have you had your mental health checked lately?
Sep 16th 2021
14
                     Lol he lost his marbles a while ago , don’t even bother
Sep 16th 2021
19
                          RE: Lol he lost his marbles a while ago , don’t even bother
Sep 16th 2021
22
                               🥱…I’m 36, I’m not emotional about TOSU football anymore.
Sep 17th 2021
30
                                    post jack
Sep 18th 2021
45
                                         Lmao wowwww
Sep 18th 2021
56
                                              Nah he’s been full of shit for years
Sep 18th 2021
57
                                                   lol damn, yikes.
Sep 18th 2021
60
                                                        there's more
Sep 20th 2021
74
           and you think he is going to bail after 1 NFL game?
Sep 16th 2021
15
                for a far inferior job? that will pay far less money? in a liberal city?
Sep 16th 2021
16
                of course not genius but after 1 bad season I could see him bouncing...
Sep 16th 2021
23
people are beyond stupid about this, it's hard to believe.
Sep 15th 2021
7
They’re gonna hire someone who’s connected to the Pete Carroll era
Sep 16th 2021
9
they'd love to but i think that coaching tree has been plucked dry
Sep 16th 2021
10
      They would be correct
Sep 16th 2021
25
      but we know you don't actually watch psu games so it's all good
Sep 16th 2021
27
           I'm listening
Sep 18th 2021
61
      I love Franklin the person and think he’s top notch as a program
Sep 18th 2021
43
           Funny how no one calls the Black coaches "smart"
Sep 18th 2021
62
           All the things I credited Franklin for, do require much intelligence.
Sep 19th 2021
66
                PSU is lucky to have a football program at this point.
Sep 19th 2021
69
                     it's trite, unnecessary asshole shit like this
Sep 20th 2021
72
                          what?
Sep 20th 2021
73
                               I’ll let 3x speak for himself, but he’s got a point. How exactly am ...
Sep 21st 2021
76
                                    I didn't think it needed explanation but yours certainly sufficed
Sep 21st 2021
77
                                    Stated better than I could. Yeah, we definitely go back.
Sep 21st 2021
79
                                    Ditto, and likewise . Sorry if I ever crossed the line . After Radins de...
Sep 21st 2021
81
                                    WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING!?!?! Are smoking crack???
Sep 21st 2021
80
                                    did I say anything that was untrue?
Sep 21st 2021
78
                                         youre an idiot
Oct 08th 2021
172
           awful game manager
Sep 18th 2021
63
                *record scratch* What drugs are you on?
Sep 19th 2021
64
                     Yes I’m a racist, awful, and stupid person
Sep 19th 2021
65
                          Bro you just got caught blatantly lying. I just need some clarity.
Sep 19th 2021
67
                               No. I've hit my threshold for inane arguments w/mentally ill people
Sep 19th 2021
68
                                    Not that serious. I honestly have no beef. But you did just lie.
Sep 20th 2021
75
is USC really that good of a CFB job?
Sep 16th 2021
17
SC’s previous coaching hires tells you all you need to know
Sep 16th 2021
18
I think the living and playing in LA is a bigger draw for recruits
Sep 16th 2021
20
      they don't have the physical space for it. SC is a small campus.
Sep 16th 2021
21
           I feel like facilities are to impress a kid to come to a school in the.....
Sep 16th 2021
24
                i dont think the facilities are that big of a deal to be honest
Sep 16th 2021
26
                     RE: i dont think the facilities are that big of a deal to be honest
Sep 16th 2021
28
                          and yet LA/miami kids are fleeing to places like tuscaloosa and clemson
Sep 17th 2021
29
                               You need facilities to lure kids to places like Tuscaloosa and Columbus....
Sep 17th 2021
31
                                    yet another inane convo
Sep 17th 2021
32
                                         of course because you know everything...
Sep 17th 2021
33
                                              Of the Top 25 recruits in 2021 from Florida, only 7 stayed.
Sep 17th 2021
34
                                              The Florida schools are down right now, what were stats 10 years ago?
Sep 17th 2021
35
                                                   You mean when the current HS recruits were 6 and 7 years old?
Sep 17th 2021
36
                                                        NIL has the entire NCAA upside down, not sure why you're trying to be...
Sep 17th 2021
37
                                                        I mean, you said something that seemed wrong. So I checked.
Sep 18th 2021
38
                                                        and most kids want to stay somewhat near home for a variety of reasons
Sep 18th 2021
40
                                                        Arizona and Washington are getting raided too
Sep 18th 2021
41
                                              i dont know everything, just more than you. which isn't saying much.
Sep 18th 2021
39
                                                   The original point before this convo went way off the rails was that..
Sep 18th 2021
42
                                                        RE: The original point before this convo went way off the rails was that...
Sep 18th 2021
44
                                                             😂
Sep 18th 2021
47
                                                                  Suckeye fans are in here MAD because Oregon put their foot in their ass....
Sep 18th 2021
48
                                                                       why would we talk about OSU and Oregon in a post about Urban / USC
Sep 18th 2021
50
                                                                       is this your way of admitting defeat?
Sep 18th 2021
51
                                                                            again I don't really care about CFB that much these days...
Sep 18th 2021
52
                                                                            you made a post about Meyer going to USC
Sep 18th 2021
53
                                                                            you sure have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't care
Sep 18th 2021
54
                                                                                 okayplayer. n/m
Sep 18th 2021
58
                                                                                      L
Sep 18th 2021
59
                                                                            it's called deflection
Sep 18th 2021
55
urban's coffee table
Sep 18th 2021
46
Predicting where top recruits end up (ESPN+)
Sep 18th 2021
49
Given USC just settled a sexual harassment suit for over $1B...
Sep 19th 2021
70
Broncos DT Dre' Mont Jones has some choice words about Urban Meyer
Sep 19th 2021
71
Urban just traded away their 2020 top ten pick
Sep 27th 2021
82
urban taking these losses hard lol
Oct 02nd 2021
83
Shelley won't be pleased
Oct 02nd 2021
84
she had tweeted pictures that evening
Oct 02nd 2021
85
      Yeah that part got me 😂
Oct 02nd 2021
87
lol get it Urb
Oct 02nd 2021
86
did he not do this at previous stops?
Oct 03rd 2021
88
      urban and his wife are just enormous targets at this point
Oct 03rd 2021
89
           LOL...what? Everyone famous is a "target," big guy
Oct 03rd 2021
90
           yo I've already made it clear I dont want to communicate w/you on here
Oct 03rd 2021
92
                All love....just apologize for lying, we good.
Oct 04th 2021
95
           She makes anti mask and anti vaccine posts. She deserves the target.
Oct 03rd 2021
91
                yes hence why i said she's a target
Oct 03rd 2021
93
                a proud representative of THE Ohio State School of Nursing smh
Oct 04th 2021
94
                     They sound horrible
Oct 05th 2021
98
                     lol she was a FACULTY member smfh
Oct 05th 2021
104
                          you think she actually taught though?
Oct 06th 2021
128
                               I'm mainly talking abt medical "professionals" with her views re: covid
Oct 06th 2021
135
                                    RE: I'm mainly talking abt medical "professionals" with her views re: co...
Oct 07th 2021
137
                                         You’re right …nm
Oct 07th 2021
139
                     Lmao
Oct 05th 2021
99
he cancelled the regular team meeting yesterday
Oct 05th 2021
96
damn.. he may not make it thru the bye week
Oct 05th 2021
97
"Lapdances are the new bad heart condition." - Urban Meyer
Oct 05th 2021
100
A young woman was dancing close to his lap.
Oct 05th 2021
101
if you think he is the USC head coach in 22-23 reply here with Y or N
Oct 05th 2021
102
Y
Oct 05th 2021
103
N
Oct 05th 2021
105
No
Oct 05th 2021
106
N...he should have taken that blank check that Texas handed him
Oct 05th 2021
108
nope. should've just stayed in the studio.
Oct 05th 2021
109
      oh, no question...
Oct 05th 2021
110
           if coaching college was what he wanted to do
Oct 05th 2021
           i firmly believe theres no way he ends coachign career on a sour note
Oct 05th 2021
111
                I feel you on the sour note thing
Oct 05th 2021
113
                     He would never come and the Cal administration would never hire him
Oct 05th 2021
115
                     Yea good point(s)
Oct 05th 2021
118
                     He’s won multiple chip at big schools.
Oct 07th 2021
153
                          there's 100+ schools so someone would be dumb enough to hire him
Oct 08th 2021
173
he was probably cheering gleefully for Cincinnati last weekend lol
Oct 05th 2021
112
Yes, for the same reason he was fingering that blonde girl
Oct 05th 2021
114
not a chance. Carol Folt aint signing off on that.
Oct 06th 2021
130
N
Oct 07th 2021
138
Have to give Truth props on this one
Oct 05th 2021
107
I believe and said in reply 3 that Urban doesn’t finish this season
Oct 05th 2021
117
      I knew he was trash
Oct 06th 2021
126
Whats the issue here?
Oct 05th 2021
116
nothing, it's completely normal and we are outraged over nothing
Oct 05th 2021
119
      Lol , still dense as ever
Oct 05th 2021
123
      lmao
Oct 06th 2021
125
      I dont get
Oct 06th 2021
127
hold up, I just saw that second angle with the finger thing
Oct 05th 2021
120
Dude is used to giving the finger and not getting it
Oct 05th 2021
121
what a trashball. i love that hes wearing OSU gear too.
Oct 05th 2021
122
Internet sleuths found out he did a photoshoot w blondie in July
Oct 05th 2021
124
😭😭😭
Oct 06th 2021
131
The only job he would bolt for is Notre Dame.
Oct 06th 2021
129
This just confirmed that he is going to SC
Oct 06th 2021
132
He said Utah was a "lifelong career job" when he left Bowling Green
Oct 06th 2021
134
Urb: the best job is the next job
Oct 07th 2021
142
this was the key thing that i had a lil unique perspective into
Oct 07th 2021
144
      maaan i wouldve loved to see Denard play for Urban
Oct 07th 2021
149
      i assume the criminality in the program wouldve caught up eventually
Oct 07th 2021
150
      Imagine if Cam never stole the laptop….
Oct 07th 2021
155
           Two things really changed the course of CFB over the last two decades
Oct 08th 2021
165
lol
Oct 06th 2021
136
Not flying back with the team is the way more egregious offense
Oct 06th 2021
133
I’m sure other coaches have done it
Oct 07th 2021
140
Reports are that he’s lost the team.
Oct 07th 2021
141
titans -4.5 this sunday?
Oct 07th 2021
146
      Please tell me more lol
Oct 08th 2021
159
shelly is deleting her twitter
Oct 07th 2021
145
what exactly did she delete? the app? lol
Oct 07th 2021
147
haha
Oct 07th 2021
152
Can’t you see she is the victim here?!?!
Oct 07th 2021
148
famous or not I hate when people feel the need to "announce" they're...
Oct 07th 2021
151
uh-oh, sounds like ol' girl's mom is trying to get her pockets straight....
Oct 07th 2021
154
thats not at all what this sounds like lmao
Oct 08th 2021
158
I just don't get the evo
Oct 07th 2021
156
RE: I just don't get the evo
Oct 08th 2021
157
Name the most successful CFB to NFL head coach over the last 30 years
Oct 08th 2021
160
      the CBB to NBA list is probably similar...
Oct 08th 2021
161
      Carroll was in the NFL for 15 years and coached the Patriots before USC
Oct 08th 2021
162
           Yeah, I agree that Carroll is a bit different because he had prior NFL H...
Oct 08th 2021
164
                yeah Larry Brown is kind of similar...
Oct 08th 2021
166
Tony Kahn was on LeBatard, before the season…
Oct 08th 2021
163
RE: Tony Kahn was on LeBatard, before the season…
Oct 08th 2021
167
The rabbit has the gun in the pro’s
Oct 08th 2021
168
RE: The rabbit has the gun in the pro’s
Oct 08th 2021
170
if you dont think the Khans were thrilled to bring in Tebow...
Oct 08th 2021
171
      what does that matter? and why would they be? they didn't own the Jags.....
Oct 08th 2021
174
hes such a ridiculous goof
Oct 08th 2021
169
Thanks Jon! -Urb
Oct 11th 2021
175
Yeah, I don’t think anyone had Gruden as the first coaching casualty
Oct 11th 2021
176
      the NFL news cycle has totally shifted, Urb is small time now lol
Oct 11th 2021
177

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1. "Mods, change the goddamn title."
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Gave the one beleaguered Jaguars fan on the whole fucking board a heart attack, lol.

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4. "LOL."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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2. "Wasn’t Saban staying at Miami?"
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The season is long, let’s see how he feels once his team is 1-10 when December rolls around.

  

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3. "Yeah I don't really see him making a move midseason"
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143. "He may not make it to mid season. I knew this would end badly"
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I figured, like Saban, the losing and lack of total control over players would be too much.

  

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5. "Its stupid how Meyer and Matt Rhule were immediately named "
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as possible options for USC.

Shit is just lazy.

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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6. "RE: Its stupid how Meyer and Matt Rhule were immediately named "
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>as possible options for USC.
>
>Shit is just lazy.

Urb is a lot more likely than Rhule for multiple reasons

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8. "Meyer coached 1 damn game in the NFL. "
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makes no sense to throw his name out there but they need clicks so its an easy lay up.

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11. "We all know how that story ends. You think he’s going sit through…"
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2-3yrs of losing on the Jags with his name popping up a the top of every major college opening?

He’s won in the midwest and the south, the west is the natural progression unless the ND job opens up, or he’s called back to clean up the mess at tOSU which I know some folks are praying for

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12. "shit man you should really stay out of the Urban prediction business"
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>He’s won in the midwest and the south, the west is the
>natural progression unless the ND job opens up, or he’s
>called back to clean up the mess at tOSU which I know some
>folks are praying for

you've already shown you have no idea what you're talking about and this is simply a continuation of that

there's so much idiocy in this statement i dont even know where to begin lol

  

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13. "I honestly dont care its just fun to see Suckeye fans still get riled up..."
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about coach that jilted them 3 years ago and left their program under investigation lol...

>>He’s won in the midwest and the south, the west is the
>>natural progression unless the ND job opens up, or he’s
>>called back to clean up the mess at tOSU which I know some
>>folks are praying for
>
>you've already shown you have no idea what you're talking
>about and this is simply a continuation of that
>
>there's so much idiocy in this statement i dont even know
>where to begin lol

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14. "have you had your mental health checked lately?"
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>about coach that jilted them 3 years ago and left their
>program under investigation lol...

huh?

  

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19. "Lol he lost his marbles a while ago , don’t even bother "
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>>about coach that jilted them 3 years ago and left their
>>program under investigation lol...
>
>huh?

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22. "RE: Lol he lost his marbles a while ago , don’t even bother "
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

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30. "🥱…I’m 36, I’m not emotional about TOSU football anymore."
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>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyBcHUe4WeQ

I’ve seen 2 championships and will prob see more after Saban retires

(Basketball program is in shambles bc we can’t get nba talent anymore , only guys like Duane Washington and EJ Liddell)

but there’s no mess at OSU, just a bad defensive coordinator that will get the chop soon

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did you use that professional message board lunatic/jock sniffer 'nevadabuck' got disassociated from the osu program because he was paying the backup long snapper for info? which got the kid kicked off the team? lollllllllll

  

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56. "Lmao wowwww"
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>did you use that professional message board lunatic/jock
>sniffer 'nevadabuck' got disassociated from the osu program
>because he was paying the backup long snapper for info? which
>got the kid kicked off the team? lollllllllll


his info was spot on , I always wondered how these insiders got info

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57. "Nah he’s been full of shit for years "
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https://rooster.substack.com/p/a-nugget-of-narcissism

  

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60. "lol damn, yikes."
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>https://rooster.substack.com/p/a-nugget-of-narcissism

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74. "there's more"
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https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/former-ohio-state-player-kirk-barton-and-infamous-message-board-poster-nevadabuck-fired-and-sued-over-role-in-osu-site.html

  

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15. "and you think he is going to bail after 1 NFL game? "
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of course anything can happen but the chances are like .00000000001%

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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16. "for a far inferior job? that will pay far less money? in a liberal city?"
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at a university rife with internal conflict and scandal? with a school administration and conference that isn't committed to championship football?

after he's already passed on them (and a far better gig in Texas) before?

it's a weird fantasy.

  

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23. "of course not genius but after 1 bad season I could see him bouncing..."
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if the right college job became available

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7. "people are beyond stupid about this, it's hard to believe."
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and for a second time around, no less.

  

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9. "They’re gonna hire someone who’s connected to the Pete Carroll era "
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USC top brass obsessed with reheating 3 day old French fries

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10. "they'd love to but i think that coaching tree has been plucked dry"
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most people out there don't watch football so they actually think that james franklin is a good coach.

i feel like that's their guy.

  

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25. "They would be correct"
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>most people out there don't watch football so they actually
>think that james franklin is a good coach.

He is a good coach. Excellent one, even.

  

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27. "but we know you don't actually watch psu games so it's all good"
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>>most people out there don't watch football so they actually
>>think that james franklin is a good coach.
>
>He is a good coach. Excellent one, even.

  

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61. "I'm listening "
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You wrong tho

  

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43. "I love Franklin the person and think he’s top notch as a program "
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builder and figurehead. He’s an outstanding recruiter as well, which is obviously paramount to success in college football. However, he leaves a bit to be desired when it comes to in-game adjustments, time management, and developing creative game plans, etc. I think the win against Wisconsin was his first road win vs a top 15 team ever. Prior to that, I think he had only 1 road win vs a top 25 team.

Again, as a PSU fan I’m thankful to have a guy like Franklin. I appreciate him more than most PSU fans, but can admit he has blind spots.

  

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62. "Funny how no one calls the Black coaches "smart" "
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Half the shit you described fits Saban's description

Saban barely has shit to do with his offenses, hasn't
for a loooong time

Just cut the shit

Franklin is excellent

Jesus Christ


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66. "All the things I credited Franklin for, do require much intelligence. "
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If you want honest, open discourse I’m here. I’m not going to engage further if you don’t bother to read my post, let alone watch the actual games Franklin has coached.

All the things I credited Franklin for do require a great deal of intelligence. To maintain the level of respect and success he has while dealing with lots of racists from central PA is remarkable. Being the figurehead does require a ton of intelligence. He’s not known as a great game manager and his game planning for big games - especially road games - has left a bit to be desired. He’s got blind spots like most other coaches. That’s all I’m pointing out.

Spencer Hall - a well respected CFB analyst and regular on Bomani Jones podcast - has called Franklin overrated and has provided some brutal analysis of Franklin’s coaching blunders.

I coached (at the high school and junior high levels) for many years. I consider myself to be fairly intelligent, but I definitely was not adept at diagnosing plays on the fly and making in game adjustments. I relied more on pregame preparation and in-game motivation. My close friend, who definitely was no more intelligent than me, had a knack for diagnosing mismatches and making in-game adjustments. That was his forte. But he wasn’t as adept at running a team, communicating to parents, organizational structure, etc. Intelligence as it relates to coaching comes in many forms.

As a PSU fan, I’m thankful for Franklin and realize there aren’t more talented coaches walking through the door. As I stated before, I’m happy he’s the coach. Franklin gets a lot of unwarranted hate due to his race. Trust me, I know that as a lifelong resident in south central PA. Still, I’m not going to give him a pass for certain aspects of the job he doesn’t excel at.

  

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69. "PSU is lucky to have a football program at this point."
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72. "it's trite, unnecessary asshole shit like this "
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that discourages people from talking sports here

you started this thread for no other purpose than to troll

  

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73. "what?"
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>that discourages people from talking sports here
>
>you started this thread for no other purpose than to troll

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76. "I’ll let 3x speak for himself, but he’s got a point. How exactly am ..."
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to follow up to your comment??

Do I just never speak on PSU football again? Even if I agree, you’ve just effectively railroaded the discussion.

I think I pretty clearly illustrated my point about Franklin above. I could actually provide a lot more analysis, but it’s a waste of keystrokes if certain posters are only concerned with trying to find the worst in others and unwilling to actually engage in discussion.

  

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77. "I didn't think it needed explanation but yours certainly sufficed"
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there are people in here trying to talk football and making good posts but are getting shouted down and chased off by malcontents and professional trolls.

me and you go back a ways as rival fans but I think we've always been mature enough and sane enough to respect the fact that we're people first and foremost. and that neither of us are some sort of physical representation of the program that we've rooted for since we were little kids.

I got O_E telling me that I can't speak on a rape cover-up because he's upset about Maurice Clarett from 2002(!) Like that's some real detached from reality shit. It's been 20 years man, let it go.

Likewise I think at this point we're all pretty familiar with what happened at PSU. It's not relevant to this discussion.

  

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79. "Stated better than I could. Yeah, we definitely go back. "
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I’m sure I made more than my share of comments to you and others that I’d cringe at now. But that was 10+ years ago and part of the bs sports talk that typically went down here on the regular. I’d like to think most of us have put that behind us long ago and are at place where we at least respect one another’s opinions and can disagree without making unwarranted accusations.

  

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81. "Ditto, and likewise . Sorry if I ever crossed the line . After Radins de..."
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After Radins death …I stopped taking sports so seriously .

>I’m sure I made more than my share of comments to you and
>others that I’d cringe at now. But that was 10+ years ago
>and part of the bs sports talk that typically went down here
>on the regular. I’d like to think most of us have put that
>behind us long ago and are at place where we at least respect
>one another’s opinions and can disagree without making
>unwarranted accusations.
>
>

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80. "WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING!?!?! Are smoking crack???"
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>I got O_E telling me that I can't speak on a rape cover-up
>because he's upset about Maurice Clarett from 2002(!) Like
>that's some real detached from reality shit. It's been 20
>years man, let it go.


The fuck?
https://www.vox.com/2018/8/31/17781594/urban-meyer-suspended-zach-smith-ohio-state-domestic-violence-football



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78. "did I say anything that was untrue?"
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172. "youre an idiot"
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now we're both telling truths, yet still not actually talking about anything, and in fact grinding conversation to a halt just to tell truths that we think the other party night not enjoy

do you get it now?

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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63. "awful game manager"
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>However, he leaves a bit to be desired when it
>comes to in-game adjustments, time management, and developing
>creative game plans, etc.

and recruiting has taken a dip

as for him as a person...the vanderbilt rape situation was pretty gross.

but overall has done a nice job at psu and they could certainly do a lot worse.

  

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64. "*record scratch* What drugs are you on? "
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>>However, he leaves a bit to be desired when it
>>comes to in-game adjustments, time management, and
>developing
>>creative game plans, etc.

Standard racial coding here

Black coach is a rah rah guy who doesn't understand the game

This is why he might take the USC job, because he shouldn't
have to deal with racist shit like this

>and recruiting has taken a dip

https://247sports.com/college/penn-state/Article/Penn-State-football-recruiting-2022-class-rankings--168621146/

Dip from what to #1?


>as for him as a person...the vanderbilt rape situation was
>pretty gross.

Relative to....TOSU? Are you smoking crack?


>but overall has done a nice job at psu and they could
>certainly do a lot worse.

Jesus Christ

  

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65. "Yes I’m a racist, awful, and stupid person"
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Thank you for contributions to this thread. Enjoy your Sunday.

  

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67. "Bro you just got caught blatantly lying. I just need some clarity. "
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>Thank you for contributions to this thread. Enjoy your
>Sunday.

You said his recruiting wasn't good

That's factually wrong, they are having among the best
in the country RIGHT TODAY

As for all that shit about "adjustments"...well yeah,
that's all race

And the Vanderbilt rape shit? TOSU has no authority to
ever speak on shit like that

  

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68. "No. I've hit my threshold for inane arguments w/mentally ill people"
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>And the Vanderbilt rape shit? TOSU has no authority to
>ever speak on shit like that

And this is why you're deranged. I am not 'TOSU'. I am not a university, a football team, or a football coach. You take this shit to an extreme and disturbing level. I represent myself only and I can speak on whatever I damn well please.

You've been following me around and harassing me with this weirdo shit for nearly 20 years now. In threads that have absolutely nothing to do with osu (such as this one). I'm done. Go away. You're not getting any further responses from me.

  

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75. "Not that serious. I honestly have no beef. But you did just lie. "
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>And this is why you're deranged. I am not 'TOSU'. I am not a
>university, a football team, or a football coach. You take
>this shit to an extreme and disturbing level. I represent
>myself only and I can speak on whatever I damn well please.
>
>You've been following me around and harassing me with this
>weirdo shit for nearly 20 years now. In threads that have
>absolutely nothing to do with osu (such as this one). I'm
>done. Go away. You're not getting any further responses from
>me.

But you just got caught openly lying.

I asked for some clarification, and you called me
"deranged"

So I'll go ahead and trot that out to you being wrong
and not being willing to admit it, which is all good

I don't really have a problem with you personally

You did lie, though

  

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17. "is USC really that good of a CFB job? "
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yes there is prestige and an elite recruiting base, but it doesn't strike me as a place where you can get whatever you want to win

most SEC schools and the top programs in other P5 conferences have facilities that blow theirs out of the water

the "living and playing in LA" is so overblown to me; reminds me of when people said Nick Saban would enjoy all the trendy restaurants in Austin more -- these guys have no lives outside football

if yo are already an elite HC, USC only makes sense to me if you have roots on the West Coast

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18. "SC’s previous coaching hires tells you all you need to know"
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About the desirability of the gig

  

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20. "I think the living and playing in LA is a bigger draw for recruits"
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I can see being in LA an advantage with NIL now in place.

But for coaches, living in La isn’t a big draw.

As far as facilities being below SEC/Texas/OSU; I agree with you there but it only takes one big time winning coach to change that. If a coach wins at USC and wants those facilities, he will get them from the donors.

  

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21. "they don't have the physical space for it. SC is a small campus."
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>As far as facilities being below SEC/Texas/OSU; I agree with
>you there but it only takes one big time winning coach to
>change that. If a coach wins at USC and wants those
>facilities, he will get them from the donors.

they redid their football facility a few years ago, it's actually very nice but very small.

their facilities during the carrol years were pretty funny.

  

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24. "I feel like facilities are to impress a kid to come to a school in the....."
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middle of nowhere.

>>As far as facilities being below SEC/Texas/OSU; I agree
>with
>>you there but it only takes one big time winning coach to
>>change that. If a coach wins at USC and wants those
>>facilities, he will get them from the donors.
>
>they redid their football facility a few years ago, it's
>actually very nice but very small.
>
>their facilities during the carrol years were pretty funny.

Carroll didn't seem to have a problem getting top recruits from all over to come to USC

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26. "i dont think the facilities are that big of a deal to be honest"
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you gotta do it cause everyone has it so you need to keep up. but it's not the reason for sc's current struggles.

>Carroll didn't seem to have a problem getting top recruits
>from all over to come to USC

very true but carrol was coaching in a different era and operating with essentially zero institutional oversight. but he was also just a legendary recruiter.

the U was the same way in the early 2000's. laughable facilities but stacked rosters. didn't matter.

  

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28. "RE: i dont think the facilities are that big of a deal to be honest"
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>you gotta do it cause everyone has it so you need to keep up.
>but it's not the reason for sc's current struggles.
>
>>Carroll didn't seem to have a problem getting top recruits
>>from all over to come to USC
>
>very true but carrol was coaching in a different era and
>operating with essentially zero institutional oversight. but
>he was also just a legendary recruiter.
>
>the U was the same way in the early 2000's. laughable
>facilities but stacked rosters. didn't matter.

In cities like Los Angeles and Miami you don't need impressive facilities to get a kid to come there.

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29. "and yet LA/miami kids are fleeing to places like tuscaloosa and clemson"
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>
>In cities like Los Angeles and Miami you don't need impressive
>facilities to get a kid to come there.

there's obviously a lot more to recruiting then proximity to glamour locales.

SC's and miami's advantage is more about being centrally located in fertile recruiting grounds rather than SC being a 30 min drive w/o traffic to beverly hills.

the idea that only rural schools need nice facilities to land recruits doesn't make any logical sense nor is it supported by anything that's happening in recruiting in 2021.

  

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31. "You need facilities to lure kids to places like Tuscaloosa and Columbus...."
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>>
>>In cities like Los Angeles and Miami you don't need
>impressive
>>facilities to get a kid to come there.
>
>there's obviously a lot more to recruiting then proximity to
>glamour locales.
>
>SC's and miami's advantage is more about being centrally
>located in fertile recruiting grounds rather than SC being a
>30 min drive w/o traffic to beverly hills.
>
>the idea that only rural schools need nice facilities to land
>recruits doesn't make any logical sense nor is it supported by
>anything that's happening in recruiting in 2021.

because without them its just another dry ass college town with nothing to do.

Most kids from SoCal and FL would rather star at schools close to home but local competition pushes them elsewhere.

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32. "yet another inane convo"
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top players go where they win games, get maximum exposure, and get sent to the league. none of this other stuff matters.

>because without them its just another dry ass college town
>with nothing to do.

I take it you've never actually been to any of these places.

>Most kids from SoCal and FL would rather star at schools close
>to home but local competition pushes them elsewhere.

so all of the 5 star qb's from LA who are now starting at clemson, bama, and osu left LA because the competition was too stiff at local schools? what are you talking about?

there are a grand total of 3 football programs in LA/Miami and all of them have brand new facilities and all of them have sucked for the majority of this century. living in proximity to a major city is pretty low on the list of requirements for recruits.

  

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33. "of course because you know everything..."
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>top players go where they win games, get maximum exposure,
>and get sent to the league. none of this other stuff matters.
>
>>because without them its just another dry ass college town
>>with nothing to do.
>
>I take it you've never actually been to any of these places.
>
>>Most kids from SoCal and FL would rather star at schools
>close
>>to home but local competition pushes them elsewhere.
>
>so all of the 5 star qb's from LA who are now starting at
>clemson, bama, and osu left LA because the competition was too
>stiff at local schools? what are you talking about?
>
>there are a grand total of 3 football programs in LA/Miami and
>all of them have brand new facilities and all of them have
>sucked for the majority of this century. living in proximity
>to a major city is pretty low on the list of requirements for
>recruits.

Is Miami the only college program in Florida? Is USC the only program in California?

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34. "Of the Top 25 recruits in 2021 from Florida, only 7 stayed."
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18 of the top 25 left, including 7 of the top 10. A combined 10 of the top 25 recruits from Florida went to Clemson and Alabama. Only 3 players in Florida's Top 25 chose a school that wasn't Miami, so they weren't dodging Miami due to in-state competition.

13 of the Top 25 from California stayed in state, so better retention there, and 10 of them did choose USC... but that means of the 12 recruits USC missed on, only 3 were from in-state competition. And of the Top 10 recruits in California, the creme de la creme, only 4 chose to stay in-state (and they all went to USC, none went to other in-state competition.

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35. "The Florida schools are down right now, what were stats 10 years ago?"
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36. "You mean when the current HS recruits were 6 and 7 years old?"
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You said the reason traditional powerhouses like USC and Miami are losing recruits is because they face in-state competition. But they're not. They're losing recruits to out-of-state competition.

In 2020, two of the top 20 recruits in California stayed in-state. 9 of the top 20 in Florida stayed in-state (only 3 of the top 10).

In 2019, four of the top 20 recruits in California stayed in-state. 8 of the top 20 in Florida stayed in-state (only 4 of the top 10).

In 2018, nine of the top 20 recruits in California stayed in-state. 7 of the top 20 in Florida stayed in-state (only 1 of the top 10).

Like... this isn't a brand new trend. And yes, when the big California and Florida power schools were great, the recruiting in-state was better. But that's the whole point, really-- we can say "kids want to play in these beautiful states!" all we want, but end of the day, what most of the top recruits really give the biggest shit about is playing for a successful program.

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37. "NIL has the entire NCAA upside down, not sure why you're trying to be..."
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in a football argument but I know why.

But you're right schools don't compete for in state recruits.

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38. "I mean, you said something that seemed wrong. So I checked."
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And I thought I'd provide facts for interested parties. Yes, schools compete with other in-state schools-- no one really said otherwise. But, and far more to the point, when it comes to the most important recruits, they compete with the elite out-of-state schools. Miami isn't missing on recruits because of Florida and FSU. They're missing out on recruits because of Clemson, Alabama, Georgia, etc.

I actually think NIL has a pretty good chance of *helping* many schools keep their elite recruits in-state, because I think there's potentially higher market value and visibility if, say, the best Arkansas HS player becomes the face of Arkansas football rather than another guy waiting his turn to shine at Alabama. But you're right that we don't really have any clue. There's also a decent shot random universities with some billionaire attached suddenly get a couple of program-changing recruits just based on the new and creative options colleges have for bag dropping. It's a whole new ballgame in a lot of ways.

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40. "and most kids want to stay somewhat near home for a variety of reasons"
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>, but end of the day, what most of the top
>recruits really give the biggest shit about is playing for a
>successful program.

  

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41. "Arizona and Washington are getting raided too"
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pac 12 has a lot of issues

  

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39. "i dont know everything, just more than you. which isn't saying much."
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since you get literally everything wrong.

>Is Miami the only college program in Florida? Is USC the only
>program in California?

"In cities like Los Angeles and Miami you don't need impressive facilities to get a kid to come there."


these were your exact words. what are the other major cities in florida and california that have major football programs? Tallahassee? Gainesville? these are the cosmopolitan cities that 17 year old high school football players are dying to live in above all else?

  

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42. "The original point before this convo went way off the rails was that.."
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"facilities" weren't as important to pull in top recruits at schools like USC and Miami.

I thought most people here agreed with that.

Somehow it turned personal then with random people jumping in with random info and I remembered that I don't really care about CFB enough to be doing all this typing.

I think Urban will be a failure in Jacksonville and he will have his pick of whatever top college is available when he is ready to leave. People that have studied this man's life for years know way more about that than I do.

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44. "RE: The original point before this convo went way off the rails was that..."
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>"facilities" weren't as important to pull in top recruits at
>schools like USC and Miami.
>
>I thought most people here agreed with that.

they agreed with that but not the 'only rural schools need nice facilities' part

Oregon started the whole lavish facilities thing back in like 2006 which posed a big edge for them at the time. but then every other school in america copied and built nice facilities of their own so it kinda became a non issue.

>Somehow it turned personal then with random people jumping in
>with random info

LOL. frank's been posting here for like 48 years I think he's entitled to jump in as he pleases. and his info was 100% pertinent to the discussion. west coast kids leaving the region is an interesting discussion, IMO.

I agree that urban's career in jacksonville will be a short one.

  

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47. "😂 "
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>LOL. frank's been posting here for like 48 years I think he's
>entitled to jump in as he pleases


Nah , you gotta check in with the residential OkSports Hall Monitor before posting

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48. "Suckeye fans are in here MAD because Oregon put their foot in their ass...."
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and they're desperate to talk about anything but that lol.

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50. "why would we talk about OSU and Oregon in a post about Urban / USC"
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We talked about it in the college football thread.

Make yourself useful and do an Asiatic Warrior Watch post, there are quite a few good ones this year.

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51. "is this your way of admitting defeat? "
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I enjoy seeing the buckeyes lose but why would you think they were avoiding it when the topic was questioning if Meyer would leave for USC?

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52. "again I don't really care about CFB that much these days..."
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>I enjoy seeing the buckeyes lose but why would you think they
>were avoiding it when the topic was questioning if Meyer would
>leave for USC?

the OP was focused on Urb's NFL status but whenever he's in the convo the osu faithful feel the need to run in and offer their opinion lol

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53. "you made a post about Meyer going to USC"
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what did you expect?

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54. "you sure have a lot to say for a guy who doesn't care"
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>the OP was focused on Urb's NFL status

'SC' is in the freakin thread title.

it's like you're seeking new and inventive ways to be loud, mad, and wrong.

>but whenever he's in
>the convo the osu faithful feel the need to run in and offer
>their opinion lol

so frank isn't allowed to comment with relevant info to the discussion, OSU fans aren't allowed to comment on your threads...what exactly is the point of you posting in the first place? maybe add a disclaimer to the bottom of your threads on who and what people can comment on so as not to hurt your juvenile ego?

you post a steady stream factually incorrect info, get mad when called out for being an idiot and then cop pleas about how you dont care about the topic at hand...yet cared enough to start a thread on it and probably 100+ threads on urban over the years. if there is anyone who is obsessed with urban and osu, it's you.

  

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58. "okayplayer. n/m"
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55. "it's called deflection"
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calling osu the 'suckeyes' is really hurtful though! like how old is this dude?

  

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46. "urban's coffee table"
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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2021/09/urban-meyer-coffee-table

  

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49. "Predicting where top recruits end up (ESPN+)"
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(just wanted contribute something meaningful to this post since Ruth wants to just argue for the sake of arguing)


The college football season is well underway, and we are inching closer to the early signing period in December. It's only three months away, which means we will start to see a few more commitments from top prospects.

As official visits take place to see the game atmosphere on different campuses, recruits will start to have enough information to pick a school, and we are going to see three ESPN 300 recruits make their commitments over the next three to four weeks.

In this week's notebook, we will take a look at those announcements and predict where each recruit will go. We will also look at a top-15 recruit taking visits, the recruiting impact from USC firing Clay Helton, which teams helped themselves in recruiting this past weekend and some top performances from transfers and freshmen.

Recruit predictions
This isn't a comprehensive list of who will commit over the next few weeks, but these ESPN 300 recruits have already announced publicly when they will be making their commitment. Here's where we see them going.


RB George Pettaway
5-foot-11, 175 pounds
Suffolk, Virginia
ESPN 300 rank: 106

Top choices: Florida, North Carolina, Oregon, Penn State

Pettaway is announcing his commitment on Sept. 22 at 6:30 p.m. ET. He released his top four of Florida, North Carolina, Penn State and Oregon in August, cutting it down from 10. Pettaway had taken visits to Michigan, North Carolina, Florida, Penn State and a few others in June, and is now ready to make his decision.

He's the No. 8 running back in the class and had offers from some of the biggest programs in the country. Looking at some of the classes from the schools in his top list, Penn State already has two ESPN 300 running backs committed in Kaytron Allen and Nicholas Singleton, Florida has ESPN 300 running back Terrance Gibbs, North Carolina has ESPN 300 running back Omarion Hampton committed, while Oregon does not yet have a top-300 commit at the position.

From those four, it seems as though North Carolina has the upper hand given his relationship with the coaches, and the Tar Heels could be in good position to land his commitment next week.

The pick: North Carolina

OT Elijah Pritchett
6-foot-6, 280 pounds
Columbus, Georgia
ESPN 300 rank: 103

Top choices: Alabama, Florida State, Georgia, USC

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Pritchett is massive tackle from Georgia, who initially had a top eight of Alabama, Arkansas, Florida State, Georgia, LSU, Kentucky, USC and Virginia Tech back in April, but recently cut it down to four.

Considering USC is in his top list and the Trojans just fired Helton, it doesn't seem likely he'll pick the Trojans. Even though he is from Georgia, there is a level of comfort and familiarity with Florida State.

Of the visits he took this summer, he took three trips to Florida State. He worked out at their big man camp and has seen quite a bit of campus. He is announcing his decision on Sept. 28, and if he chooses the Seminoles, he would give Florida State two ESPN 300 offensive linemen in the class, four ranked as four-stars.

The pick: Florida State

TE Jaleel Skinner
6-foot-5, 210 pounds
Greer, South Carolina
ESPN 300 rank: 64

Top choices: Alabama, Clemson, Florida State, Miami, Texas

Skinner is the top-rated tight end in this class and a top-100 recruit. He released his top five after taking visits to some of his top schools in June. He went to Miami, Alabama and Texas, among a few others, then took his official visit to Florida State in the beginning of September.

Skinner will still take visits to Florida this weekend, Texas on Sept. 25 and Clemson on Oct. 2. He's going to announce his commitment on Oct. 9, so this one might be a little more difficult to predict. The Longhorns are making a push, but this could change over the next few weeks.

The pick: Texas

Arch Manning's busy October
Arch Manning is the No. 2 prospect and the top quarterback in the 2023 class. The son of Cooper Manning, and the nephew of Peyton and Eli, he has garnered quite a bit of attention from his ability on the field.

According to Cooper, Arch will be getting out on the road and taking visits over the next few weeks.

He will visit Georgia this weekend for the South Carolina game, Alabama on Oct. 2 when the Crimson Tide play Ole Miss, then Texas on Oct. 16 when the Longhorns play Oklahoma State.

Arch will also be on hand at Ole Miss on Oct. 23 to see his uncle, Eli, get his jersey retired and watch the game against LSU. Cooper said his son will also likely visit Clemson on Oct. 30 for the Florida State game.

He has a busy next few months, which will likely help shape his eventual college choice.

Jaheim Singletary's visits
Cornerback Jaheim Singletary is one of the top uncommitted recruits left in the 2022 class after decommitting from Ohio State in the beginning of August. He's the No. 14 ranked recruit overall and a 6-foot-1, 175-pound corner from Jacksonville, Florida.


Cornerback Jaheim Singletary, the No. 14-ranked prospect in the Class of 2022, decommitted from Ohio State during the summer. ThreeStep
Singletary is one of the more highly sought-after defensive backs given his size and ability and has offers from nearly every major program. He is getting back out to campuses to take visits and will start this weekend with a trip to Florida for the Alabama game. The top-20 prospect will then visit Georgia for its game against Arkansas on Oct. 2.

He recently tweeted that he thinks he has narrowed down his list and he will soon release his top schools. Florida and Georgia would seemingly make that list with Miami as a potential add as well.

Who helped themselves in recruiting this week?
Oregon went to Columbus, Ohio, and beat a top-three-ranked Ohio State team on the road. It was an impressive win, considering the Ducks were short a few defensive starters, including defensive end Kayvon Thibodeaux and linebacker Justin Flowe. The results of the game were talked about prominently nationally and Oregon has already built up quite the recruiting buzz over the past few years under coach Mario Cristobal.

Just because it was a road game doesn't mean it didn't have an impact on recruits. In fact, Oregon safety Marko Vidackovic reportedly walked by a group of prospects visiting Ohio State and said, "You boys better come to Oregon," according to Jarrid Denney.


The Ducks already have the No. 5 ranked class in 2022 with 11 ESPN 300 commitments. A win like that against a top-ranked team can only help push the success even further ahead. The Ducks have quite a few of their targets already committed, so where this could really help is in the 2023 class, as Oregon doesn't yet have any commitments in that class.

Another team that helped themselves in a national game was Michigan, which convincingly beat Washington under the lights in Ann Arbor. The Wolverines had some huge visitors on campus, and by all accounts, they came away impressed.

The No. 1-ranked recruit, Walter Nolen, was the biggest name who was on campus, joined by offensive lineman Josh Conerly Jr. and USC defensive back commit Domani Jackson, who made the trip from California.

Jackson has formed a friendship with current Michigan corner commit William Johnson, and with USC firing Helton, the visit to Michigan couldn't have happened at a better time.


The Wolverines could use help in the secondary, and if the coaches can sign both Johnson and Jackson in this class, it would immediately boost the defense.

USC recruiting impact
Speaking of USC, firing Helton in September is likely going to have an impact on this recruiting class. There isn't much time left until the early signing period and there isn't a clear direction yet as to who will be the next head coach full-time.

That likely won't happen until after the season. For now, USC assistant Donte Williams is taking over as interim coach. Williams is one of USC's best recruiters, but without having the permanent job, it will be tough to keep things intact.

The Trojans have five ESPN 300 commitments and only one from California. Jackson is the lone in-state top-300 recruit, and as mentioned above, he just took a visit to Michigan. Losing him would be a big blow to the Trojans' recruiting efforts, as he is widely regarded as one of the best corners in the class.

His father, Randy, however said they plan on waiting to see what happens before making any decisions one way or another.


Donte Williams, one of USC's top recruiters, took over as USC's interim head coach following the firing of Clay Helton. John McGillen/University of Southern California Athletics via AP
"We're actually going to see who they bring on. It just happened , so I haven't really had any communication with the USC staff as of today to see where they're at," Randy said. "Donte was our main contact as his recruiter, so that's usually who we talk to 100% of the time. I know he's a little more busy today. It just depends: Is it going to be a coach that comes in and cleans house? That will have one impact for the coach to come in, is he going to retain Donte. I don't know. It's yet to be seen."

Jackson took his visit to Michigan and he's also planning to visit Alabama on Nov. 6 for the game against LSU.

The family plans to wait, but Jackson's father says the timing is going to have to line up. Jackson is planning to sign in December and enroll in January, so they can't wait forever for USC to make a decision.

Quarterback commit Devin Brown, from Utah, said he will stay in the class, and because adding quarterback depth will always be important, keeping him in this class will be a main focus.

The good news for the next head coach, whenever that person is hired, is that the NCAA has a rule that allows recruits to take a second official visit if a coach leaves that school. That could provide helpful this year given many recruits took official visits in June when the restrictions amid the NCAA's dead period were lifted from COVID-19.

The new coach having the ability to bring recruits back to campus that have already taken officials, without having to pay out of pocket, could end up being an important detail.

There haven't been any big decommitments yet, but with ESPN 300 commits from Georgia, New Jersey, Utah and Nevada, plus one from California already looking around, it is going to take a lot of work to keep the class together.

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70. "Given USC just settled a sexual harassment suit for over $1B..."
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https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/usc-agrees-1-1-billion-settlement-hundreds-women-alleging-abuse-n1262075

Given USC just settled a sexual harassment suit for over $1B, there's no way they hire Urb with his baggage.

Granted, what happened with the case was related to the Medical department. But the President was fired and they brought in someone to clean up the mess. She's not gonna be on board with hiring someone who left chaos behind at every stop.

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71. "Broncos DT Dre' Mont Jones has some choice words about Urban Meyer"
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Urban Meyer’s tenure as the Jacksonville Jaguars’ head coach is off to a rocky start, to say the least. Not only did the Jaguars look hapless in a 37-21 loss to division-foe Houston in Week 1, but reports broke prior to the game painting a negative culture created by Meyer behind the scenes.

According to CBS Sports’ Jason La Canfora, Meyer hasn’t exactly excelled in his jump to the professional ranks. Sources told La Canfora that Meyer lashed out after preseason losses and hasn’t quite grasped how to manage the day-to-day NFL operations, causing him to clash with veteran coaches and players.

Dre’Mont Jones, a former player under Meyer at Ohio State and current Denver Broncos defensive lineman, was asked Thursday about the alleged turmoil in Jacksonville.

“Am I surprised by it? No,” Jones said. “I just know how he is. I’m not going into great detail about it. But, like, it doesn’t surprise me.”

The Broncos travel to play the Jaguars at 1 p.m. ET Sunday. Jones signed with Ohio State in 2015 out of St. Ignatius High School in Cleveland, Ohio. The 247Sports Composite ranked him as the No. 133 player nationally, No. 10 strong-side defensive end and No. 6 overall prospect in the state of Ohio.

Jones played under Meyer from 2015-18, making an immediate impact as a redshirt freshman by starting in 12 games. He finished his career with 115 tackles, 22 for a loss and 9.5 sacks, 8.5 of which came in his junior campaign.

In June, Jones joined Denver teammate Shelby Harris on Shel-Shocked Harris’ weekly podcast hosted on 94.1 FM. Harris asked Jones how he thought Meyer’s coaching style would translate to the NFL.

“NFL coach wise, he’s going to have to shake things up to how he was doing,” Jones said. “How he coached us was, he didn’t really f--- with you if you weren’t like a player. If you weren’t playing, those conversations didn’t exist. Like I was a four-star recruit. This man was out here hyping my head up to, ‘Bruh, I don’t even know you.’ Like we’d walk past in the hallway and I’d say ‘How you doing coach?’ This man looked at me like I was crazy for speaking to him and just keep walking. He showed zero respect. Zero respect.

“I’m like, this the type of dude you are? As things go on I’m starting to learn more. Every time he talks to you, it feels like it was his first time talking to you. It’s like he didn’t remember having a conversation with you.”

Jones said that, while star players like Joey and Nick Bosa and Ohio State’s quarterbacks were treated like “kings and gods,” the rest of the players had to fight to be acknowledged.

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“This man ridiculed you, dogged you. He’d do it in front of the team so bad he’d make you want to quit.” Jones said.







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82. "Urban just traded away their 2020 top ten pick"
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for a third rounder and a TE who has averaged 150 receiving yards per season the last four years he's been active

Henderson seems like he might be poorly adjusted to be traded like that, but the return is horrible on paper

if TE is such a weakness, maybe Urban shouldn't have wasted workouts and camp time on Tebow

the fact Urban has GM power is insane

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83. "urban taking these losses hard lol"
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https://twitter.com/freak_leader/status/1444411992899563525?s=20

  

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84. "Shelley won't be pleased"
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85. "she had tweeted pictures that evening "
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of her babysitting the grandkids haha

  

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87. "Yeah that part got me 😂"
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>of her babysitting the grandkids haha

  

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86. "lol get it Urb"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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88. "did he not do this at previous stops?"
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weird to get caught this late in his coaching career

or is the pain of the NFL just that great

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89. "urban and his wife are just enormous targets at this point"
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the fact that he was doing it at his own restaurant just adds to the hilarity factor

  

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90. "LOL...what? Everyone famous is a "target," big guy"
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He's just an imbecile and a giant hypocrite

But he's always been that

  

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92. "yo I've already made it clear I dont want to communicate w/you on here"
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exercise some self control and stop following me around

  

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95. "All love....just apologize for lying, we good. "
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No hard feelings, just slide me that apology chief

  

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91. "She makes anti mask and anti vaccine posts. She deserves the target."
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93. "yes hence why i said she's a target"
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her twitter antics have been discussed here previously

  

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94. "a proud representative of THE Ohio State School of Nursing smh"
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I hope I am never treated by an Ohio State nurse as long as I live.

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98. "They sound horrible"
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which makes perfect sense for that school.. lol

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104. "lol she was a FACULTY member smfh"
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>which makes perfect sense for that school.. lol


just don't talk greasy about the engineering program and we'er good

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128. "you think she actually taught though?"
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giving her some fake title for a no show job seems like something they'd just throw in as part of urban's contract.

not that it makes her views on these issues any less abhorrent but not sure it makes every other OSU medical professional an incompetent horror show by default

  

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135. "I'm mainly talking abt medical "professionals" with her views re: covid"
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i should have clarified.

>giving her some fake title for a no show job seems like
>something they'd just throw in as part of urban's contract.

touche


>not that it makes her views on these issues any less abhorrent
>but not sure it makes every other OSU medical professional an
>incompetent horror show by default

yea im just talking about all those nurses who doubt the seriousness of COVID and are anti mask'its just the flu' etc , and I'm sure there's a few of those in Columbus/ the Midwest.

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137. "RE: I'm mainly talking abt medical "professionals" with her views re: co..."
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>yea im just talking about all those nurses who doubt the
>seriousness of COVID and are anti mask'its just the flu' etc ,
>and I'm sure there's a few of those in Columbus/ the Midwest.

those people are everywhere...

https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/new-yorks-largest-healthcare-provider-fires-1400-unvaccinated-workers-2021-10-04/


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139. "You’re right …nm"
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99. "Lmao"
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96. "he cancelled the regular team meeting yesterday"
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because he didn't want to face his own players

accountability!

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97. "damn.. he may not make it thru the bye week"
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I wonder if he did this shit on purpose

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100. ""Lapdances are the new bad heart condition." - Urban Meyer"
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"Also i'm leaving for USC."

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101. "A young woman was dancing close to his lap."
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ESPN channeling Simone Biles to not type Lapdance on the scroll.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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102. "if you think he is the USC head coach in 22-23 reply here with Y or N"
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at the end of the season we can see how accurate we were

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103. "Y"
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105. "N"
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he's done

  

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106. "No"
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108. "N...he should have taken that blank check that Texas handed him"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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109. "nope. should've just stayed in the studio."
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it's abundantly clear that this guy isn't fit to coach anywhere.

you saw the demise in his coaching abilities towards the end of his run at osu.

the idea that he'd want to go to sc or that sc would even want or be willing to pay him has never made any sense to me.

  

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110. "oh, no question..."
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but, as far as from his standpoint of maximizing whatever bells his name still rang. ..

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"if coaching college was what he wanted to do"


          

then yeah texas that was THE opportunity for him.

but that ship has sailed.

  

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111. "i firmly believe theres no way he ends coachign career on a sour note"
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>but, as far as from his standpoint of maximizing whatever
>bells his name still rang. ..

maybe not USC

but a second-tier program will come calling and he will take them back to being competitive, and then ride off towards another school...

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113. "I feel you on the sour note thing"
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but why would any university hire urban when they can't even be certain that he'll be able to finish ONE season without quitting due to mental/physical collapse/scandal?

and given the above, how does he recruit?

he can't represent a university and he's not a good enough to coach in the NFL. that doesn't leave him with a lot of options.

he needs about 3 years out of the public eye and then a return back to the studio.

  

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115. "He would never come and the Cal administration would never hire him"
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But I would take 1-2 years of Urban coaching at Cal in a heart beat. This is of course fantasy land and will never happen for multiple reasons.

  

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118. "Yea good point(s)"
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This would be the wise course of action....


>he needs about 3 years out of the public eye and then a return
>back to the studio.

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153. "He’s won multiple chip at big schools."
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Failing at the pro level isn’t huge because of his success beforehand. His name is still strong in college circles. He’d be hired a heartbeat.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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173. "there's 100+ schools so someone would be dumb enough to hire him"
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but this assumes he actually wants to coach college again (evidence suggests otherwise) and that he'd settle for any gig. he voluntarily left osu and turned down texas. these are the 2 best jobs in cfb. he's expressed zero interest in SC and vice versa, and helton has been on the hot seat forever. so what job is he holding out for?

from a football perspective i think hiring him is dumb because his strength as a coach was as a recruiter who built more talented rosters than everyone else. you can't recruit at an elite level when you can't guarantee recruits and parents that you'll be able to last through even one season. and you can't recruit when your reputation as a person is tarnished.

he's not an X's and O's guy and he's running an antiquated offensive system that no longer works at the elite college level. this will also effect his ability to recruit because what 5 star qb would want to sign up to run the ball 20 times per game?

he built an historically good staff at UF but his hiring decisions at his last two stops have been dreadful. he has blind spots when it comes to coaching hires that aren't going away.

Despite the obvious character flaws people think they're getting Urban the football coach from 2006 when he's clearly a shell of his former self in that regard.

I always thought he would do a barry alvarez deal at OSU and fill in as interim HC whenever needed but I think even that ship has sailed.

  

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112. "he was probably cheering gleefully for Cincinnati last weekend lol"
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114. "Yes, for the same reason he was fingering that blonde girl "
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His ego is hurt and doesn’t like losing because he doesn’t feel in control when he is losing. The best way to cure a bruised ego is to win. He won’t want to end his career on a down note. He will want to end his career as a winner.

It’s the same reason that Saban left Miami for Alabama. Urban will go to SC because he can easily recruit there and win right away. He may only coach at SC for 4 or 5 years but that will be enough to win multiple Pac 12 titles, go to some CFB playoffs and maybe win another championship.

  

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130. "not a chance. Carol Folt aint signing off on that."
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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138. "N"
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He needs to just get back into the studio and chill.

  

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107. "Have to give Truth props on this one"
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even though I doubt he goes to USC it does feel like he may dip due to this "controversy"

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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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117. "I believe and said in reply 3 that Urban doesn’t finish this season"
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Urban doesn’t like to lose and handles losing poorly. He might be winless going into December.

  

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126. "I knew he was trash"
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and out of touch with the whole Tebow camp shit

but this dude is on some weird shit.

He may not make it to the bye week.

I imagine the players are joking the shit out of him and he isn’t used to Black players talking shit to him.

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116. "Whats the issue here?"
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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119. "nothing, it's completely normal and we are outraged over nothing"
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*thumbs up reply*

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123. "Lol , still dense as ever "
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>*thumbs up reply*


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125. "lmao"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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127. "I dont get"
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My sarcasm meter is off🤷🏽‍♂️

-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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120. "hold up, I just saw that second angle with the finger thing"
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oof

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121. "Dude is used to giving the finger and not getting it"
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The NFL is giving him the finger so he has to finger that girl in order to try to regain some sort of control and show he was still in charge.

He may not make it to thanksgiving.

  

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122. "what a trashball. i love that hes wearing OSU gear too."
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like he had to make sure everyone recognized him

idiot lol

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124. "Internet sleuths found out he did a photoshoot w blondie in July "
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The second Shelley went to talk to him he probably did his signature *bending over and wince in pain* stance


>like he had to make sure everyone recognized him
>
>idiot lol

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131. "😭😭😭"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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129. "The only job he would bolt for is Notre Dame."
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That's it. That's his dream job.

HIS NAME IS MASON MOUNT
Bulls | Bears | White Sox | Yankees | Notre Dame | Illinois | Chelsea | Real Madrid

  

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132. "This just confirmed that he is going to SC"
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134. "He said Utah was a "lifelong career job" when he left Bowling Green "
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Florida was a "dream job" when he was in Utah

Ohio State was IT, no more coaching after that. "That's the pinnacle of coaching" when his health issues suddenly evaporated after ditching Florida and he had a year off before Braxton Miller fell in his hands instead of a Jeff Driskel



>That's it. That's his dream job.

lol oh, you poor naive child. any job where he gets to flex his authority and bend the rules is his dream job.

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142. "Urb: the best job is the next job"
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****************
TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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144. "this was the key thing that i had a lil unique perspective into"
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>before
>Braxton Miller fell in his hands instead of a Jeff Driskel

tl;dr: Meyer put all of his eggs in the wrong QB basket, then ended up with them all over his face.

it wasnt Jeff Driskel tho. it was John David Brantley, who played for a small Catholic school in Ocala that beat up on small public schools. he was a big fish in a tiny pond, and a Gator legacy, and clearly not the guy.

so in 2008 Meyer goes all in on Trey Burton of Venice HS, current TE for the Colts, as his next veer option savior. Burton committed in 2008 before his Jr year, and summer of 2008 is when I moved to Port Charlotte, about 25 minutes from Venice. hearing about this local wonderkind my ex and i rode out to see him play one night.

he was NOT good, just full grown already. Dri Archer, a 5'7 fireball and future consensus AA at Kent State was the spark for everything they did. i watched them on TV a few more times and it was more of the same. incidentally Archer went on to beat Denard in the 100m state finals and did a 4.26(!) 40 at the combine.

in 2009 without Archer, Venice was meh. Burton racked up a bunch of short yardage TD runs and decently efficient passing against a usually loaded box. to me, he was a poor man's Jermaine Gonzales (OLSM) with more power in his running.

Jordan Reed had already been moved to TE, so in 2010 UF went out there with Brantley, Burton, and....nobody else. Two major misses at QB. Meanwhile, people in Florida are starting to wonder why Denard isnt around.

Season goes along terribly, Denard becomes the first 2500/1500 QB in NCAA history while Brantley and Burton flounder, and voila. He needs to spend time with his family because of blah blah blah.

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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149. "maaan i wouldve loved to see Denard play for Urban"
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that wouldve been lit

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150. "i assume the criminality in the program wouldve caught up eventually"
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but he definitely would have kept Urban around for a while longer

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155. "Imagine if Cam never stole the laptop…."
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>>before
>>Braxton Miller fell in his hands instead of a Jeff Driskel
>
>tl;dr: Meyer put all of his eggs in the wrong QB basket, then
>ended up with them all over his face.
>
>it wasnt Jeff Driskel tho. it was John David Brantley, who
>played for a small Catholic school in Ocala that beat up on
>small public schools. he was a big fish in a tiny pond, and a
>Gator legacy, and clearly not the guy.
>
>so in 2008 Meyer goes all in on Trey Burton of Venice HS,
>current TE for the Colts, as his next veer option savior.
>Burton committed in 2008 before his Jr year, and summer of
>2008 is when I moved to Port Charlotte, about 25 minutes from
>Venice. hearing about this local wonderkind my ex and i rode
>out to see him play one night.
>
>he was NOT good, just full grown already. Dri Archer, a 5'7
>fireball and future consensus AA at Kent State was the spark
>for everything they did. i watched them on TV a few more
>times and it was more of the same. incidentally Archer went
>on to beat Denard in the 100m state finals and did a 4.26(!)
>40 at the combine.
>
>in 2009 without Archer, Venice was meh. Burton racked up a
>bunch of short yardage TD runs and decently efficient passing
>against a usually loaded box. to me, he was a poor man's
>Jermaine Gonzales (OLSM) with more power in his running.
>
>Jordan Reed had already been moved to TE, so in 2010 UF went
>out there with Brantley, Burton, and....nobody else. Two
>major misses at QB. Meanwhile, people in Florida are starting
>to wonder why Denard isnt around.
>
>Season goes along terribly, Denard becomes the first 2500/1500
>QB in NCAA history while Brantley and Burton flounder, and
>voila. He needs to spend time with his family because of blah
>blah blah.
>
>

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165. "Two things really changed the course of CFB over the last two decades"
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Miami not signing Drew Brees and Cam Newton stealing a laptop.

If Miami signs Brees, Saban probably doesn’t end up back at Bama and if that happens and Cam doesn’t steal a laptop then Urb probably sticks around at Florida for another 5 years.

  

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136. "lol"
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133. "Not flying back with the team is the way more egregious offense "
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That actually IS worth being outraged over

  

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140. "I’m sure other coaches have done it"
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but at 4 games in it should be football related

Visiting grandkids sounds like such a lame ass excuse

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141. "Reports are that he’s lost the team."
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https://twitter.com/mikesilver/status/1445403401660084243?s=21

Dude’s clearly a grade-A bozo. You can get away with being a weirdo and a horndog and whatever else if the team is actually good. But… it’s not. So that’s that. I don’t think he makes it to Week 6.

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146. "titans -4.5 this sunday?"
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interesting subplot is that vrabel HATES urban going back to when he coached DL at osu in 2012-2013

  

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159. "Please tell me more lol"
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>interesting subplot is that vrabel HATES urban going back to
>when he coached DL at osu in 2012-2013

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145. "shelly is deleting her twitter"
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this is why we can't have nice things...

https://twitter.com/spinnershells/status/1446166205266530310?s=20

  

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147. "what exactly did she delete? the app? lol"
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152. "haha"
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148. "Can’t you see she is the victim here?!?!"
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151. "famous or not I hate when people feel the need to "announce" they're..."
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leaving social media, just go lol

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154. "uh-oh, sounds like ol' girl's mom is trying to get her pockets straight...."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/jaguars/2021/10/07/urban-meyer-mom-worried-daughter-after-video-jaguars-coach/6041103001/

Mom of woman from Urban Meyer video worried about daughter's 'emotional status'
Josh Peter
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The mother of the 24-year-old woman who was videotaped and photographed dancing near Jacksonville Jaguars coach Urban Meyer at Urban’s Chophouse in Columbus, Ohio last week said she is worried about her daughter's wellbeing.

“(She) can’t even go anywhere," the mother told USA TODAY Sports. “It's ruining her life is what it’s doing. I’m worried for her emotional status right now."

USA TODAY Sports is not identifying the woman or her mother because they have been the subject of backlash despite not having made any public statements yet.

New Horizon Media Group, a marketing company where the woman works, said Thursday it is conducting an internal investigation into the incident that took place Friday.

The company is not in position “to make any determination as to her (employment) status,” said Brian Duncan, an attorney representing the company.

He said the woman is working for the company during the investigation.

Alex Cruz, the owner of New Horizons Media Group, referred a request for comment to Duncan.

“I just pray that Alex doesn’t fire my daughter because she needs this job," the mother said. “She just bought a house."

When asked why New Horizons Media Group needed to conduct an investigation, Duncan said: “We’ve had no prior issues with her whatsoever. She’s been a very solid asset to the company. We’re going to undertake our internal investigation to determine what, if any, impact this has on the company and we’ll proceed accordingly."

Duncan said the company has done work for Urban Chophouse, a joint venture with Meyer and an Ohio restaurateur, and said there is no knowledge the woman had a previous relationship with Meyer, the former coach at Ohio State.

One video showed the woman dancing suggestively near Meyer and another video showed Meyer apparently grabbing the women’s buttocks.

The videos of the woman and Meyer were distributed on social media after the Jaguars lost to the Bengals 24-21 Thursday night in Cincinnati.

"There was a big group next to the restaurant," Meyer said during his Monday press conference. "They wanted me to come over and take pictures, and I did. (They) tried to pull me out on the dance floor, screwing around, but I should've left."

Meyer, who has roots in Ohio and coached the Ohio State Buckeyes from the 2012-18 seasons, said he did not travel back to Florida with the team and stayed so that he could spend time with his grandchildren and attend an event.

"I just apologized to the team for being a distraction," Meyer said. "It's stupid. I explained everything that happened and I should not have put myself in that position."

Meyer added that he apologized to his family, saying they were "upset" about the video.





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158. "thats not at all what this sounds like lmao"
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this sounds like Urbz is tryin to get some clapback on that homewrecking immoral bitch who victimized him in his restaurant when he was emotionally vulnerable, and caused all this undue pain and suffering to his family with her scandalous predatory behavior

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156. "I just don't get the evo"
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Go be Saban. You don't have to actually coach, the recruits come to you, and you can hire every assistant while making 10 million a year til you die.

These assholes have to know they can't actually coach men. They can't game plan, and they can't really coach anyone up or call plays. Just go bang young girls and stop trying to be a coach
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157. "RE: I just don't get the evo"
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>These assholes have to know they can't actually coach men.
>They can't game plan, and they can't really coach anyone up or
>call plays. Just go bang young girls and stop trying to be a
>coach

that's the thing they don't, every successful coach in every sport at every level fantasizes about doing the same thing at the next level

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160. "Name the most successful CFB to NFL head coach over the last 30 years"
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The list is extremely short:

Jimmy Johnson
Bobby Ross
Pete Carroll

I’m sure I’m forgetting someone but the list is full of failure.

  

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161. "the CBB to NBA list is probably similar..."
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>The list is extremely short:
>
>Jimmy Johnson
>Bobby Ross
>Pete Carroll
>
>I’m sure I’m forgetting someone but the list is full of
>failure.

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162. "Carroll was in the NFL for 15 years and coached the Patriots before USC"
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He doesn't count. Its pretty much just Jimmy Johnson

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calij81
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164. "Yeah, I agree that Carroll is a bit different because he had prior NFL H..."
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I almost excluded him from this list due to that.

I also forgot about Denny Green, who was the head coach at Stanford but I can’t remember if he went from CFB HC to NFL HC directly.

  

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166. "yeah Larry Brown is kind of similar..."
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>I almost excluded him from this list due to that.
>
>I also forgot about Denny Green, who was the head coach at
>Stanford but I can’t remember if he went from CFB HC to NFL
>HC directly.

Denny Green bounced back and forth between NFL and college jobs before he got the HC job at Stanford

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163. "Tony Kahn was on LeBatard, before the season…"
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extolling the virtues of Urb and how he sees him as a father figure. He was legit gushing, when talking about him. Tony is kind of a friend of the show, I wonder if he’ll come back on.

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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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167. "RE: Tony Kahn was on LeBatard, before the season…"
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>extolling the virtues of Urb and how he sees him as a father
>figure. He was legit gushing, when talking about him. Tony
>is kind of a friend of the show, I wonder if he’ll come back
>on.

yeah that's the thing Urb projects this image of a "family man" then you see him on a barstool (in his defense he was probably holding on for dear life but it looked like he had his thumb up her butt lol) its just his arrogance, you're Urban Meyer in Columbus, Ohio, its not like you're trying to be on some low key shit so he shouldn't be surprised when it became a story. Its similar to when he tried to hire that racist assistant coach or tried to make Tebow a TE, he just thinks he can do shit because he's Urban Meyer but the NFL is a lot different than college. If his team was 2-2 instead of 0-4 things would probably be a lot different too...

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168. "The rabbit has the gun in the pro’s"
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You could shit all over these Black athletes in college and they had to take it but in the pro’s??? nah son.

Even tho he is the GM I’m sure he has to hear how player X is not going anywhere so find a way to make player X happy.



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ThaTruth
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170. "RE: The rabbit has the gun in the pro’s"
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>You could shit all over these Black athletes in college and
>they had to take it but in the pro’s??? nah son.
>
>Even tho he is the GM I’m sure he has to hear how player X
>is not going anywhere so find a way to make player X happy.

its different when you're coaching teenagers and you control their entire lives then you have to coach grown men who are millionaires some of them making more money than you

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171. "if you dont think the Khans were thrilled to bring in Tebow..."
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youre fooling yourself

WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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174. "what does that matter? and why would they be? they didn't own the Jags....."
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>youre fooling yourself

when Tebow was at UF, I doubt if they "revered" him the way other people in Jacksonville do, either way I doubt if it was their idea to bring a guy back to change positions in the NFL after being out of the league for 6-7 years lol

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169. "hes such a ridiculous goof"
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WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE

  

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175. "Thanks Jon! -Urb"
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176. "Yeah, I don’t think anyone had Gruden as the first coaching casualty "
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How quickly things change, the Raiders and Gruden were undefeated just two weeks ago and now Gruden is unemployed while Urb is caught getting lap dances and fingering a girl.

  

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177. "the NFL news cycle has totally shifted, Urb is small time now lol"
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