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"COVID-19 (Novel Coronavirus) Update (3)..."
Mon Apr-13-20 12:50 PM by CyrenYoung

  

          

*Check the archives for the previous thread(s).

Health care workers and officials are relentlessly working to slow the pace of this pandemic, while actively pushing to develop a cure/vaccine.

Meanwhile: Local, state, & government officials continue placing blame, defending egos, and wasting valuable time & resources.


Here's hoping that you and your family are healthy & home.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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Fans/Critics of Cuomo, can we get a response? (Link/Videos)
Apr 13th 2020
1
how does shitty NYPD have anything to do with Cuomo?
Apr 13th 2020
9
      they are acting on Cuomo's draconian policies...
Apr 13th 2020
16
           ok i checked those links
Apr 14th 2020
31
                Cuomo's silence is deafening...
Apr 15th 2020
42
                     this is true. fair enough.
Apr 15th 2020
49
"Council to Reopen America" announced. ***jerk-off motion***
Apr 13th 2020
2
how can you reopen something that hasnt been closed?
Apr 13th 2020
4
It's not like you can magically re-open shit either. No one wants to ge...
Apr 13th 2020
5
east and west coast states say nah
Apr 13th 2020
18
Industry scrambles to stop fatal bird flu in South Carolina
Apr 13th 2020
3
osha announces employers dont have to record covid19 cases.
Apr 13th 2020
6
WTF
Apr 13th 2020
7
um don't paint all local govt's with the same brush, please
Apr 13th 2020
8
it says a iot that trumps approval on handling the virus
Apr 13th 2020
11
exactly. lets hope we all KTSE in November
Apr 13th 2020
14
I didn't say that at all...
Apr 13th 2020
17
      RE: I didn't say that at all...
Apr 13th 2020
19
another bonkers press briefing.
Apr 13th 2020
10
he constantly sinks to new lows
Apr 13th 2020
12
My local station cut it off a minute into the propaganda video.
Apr 13th 2020
13
CNN did basically the same thing
Apr 14th 2020
26
Apparently he formally announced his dictatorship tonite ?
Apr 13th 2020
20
      RE: Apparently he formally announced his dictatorship tonite ?
Apr 14th 2020
22
           We're still doing the "checks and balances" thing ?
Apr 14th 2020
23
                RE: We're still doing the "checks and balances" thing ...
Apr 14th 2020
27
The elderly account for almost half of all the Virus-related deaths
Apr 13th 2020
15
Just wanted to post this here too. Really good all-black-women panel on
Apr 14th 2020
21
Fascinating/infuriating stuff - thanks for this. Will watch later.
Apr 14th 2020
24
happy to share!
Apr 15th 2020
45
thank you thank you ..bookmarking this!
Apr 14th 2020
39
      lol np!
Apr 15th 2020
44
thinking more and more about the effects on globalization
Apr 14th 2020
25
This is basic risk management
Apr 14th 2020
28
      This crises has exposed the U.S. in so many ways...
Apr 14th 2020
29
      yeah. all america's sins are laid bare in this.
Apr 14th 2020
34
      yeah if a crisis don't get us to change ...
Apr 15th 2020
48
good to see some regionalism from the CA and NY factions
Apr 14th 2020
30
Anyone else thinking of jumping ship
Apr 14th 2020
32
RE: Anyone else thinking of jumping ship
Apr 14th 2020
33
It's not easy but not impossible
Apr 14th 2020
38
# 41
Apr 15th 2020
43
Correction: America has ALWAYS BEEN a terrible country...
Apr 15th 2020
57
      thank you for putting this so succintly.
Apr 18th 2020
110
i was gonna move to canada on a business or investor visa.
Apr 14th 2020
36
There's provisions under NAFTA/USMCA that allow Americans to work in
Apr 15th 2020
41
      correct me if im wrong but i believe those are heavily geared
Apr 15th 2020
46
      Ya they are, about 1 year with extensions/renewals possible. But
Apr 15th 2020
53
      on this in particular, I think you were over-complicating it:
Apr 15th 2020
55
      this is really helpful...thanks
Apr 15th 2020
52
           np!
Apr 15th 2020
56
Yes, we are planning for Jan/Feb
Apr 14th 2020
37
That's if you're able to get in as the border is closed to Americans.
Apr 14th 2020
40
      I'm aware but Jan/Feb is a long way from now.
Apr 15th 2020
50
unless its Canada, better be ready ot learn a whole new lang and culture
Apr 15th 2020
47
      what's with this discouraging response?
Apr 15th 2020
51
      good luck with the TESL thing
Apr 15th 2020
59
           yeah i'm aware of that too. why?
Apr 18th 2020
111
                Some people make it work
May 25th 2020
320
      That's why we're considering New Zealand.
Apr 15th 2020
68
trump: i will be authorizing governors to reopen their states
Apr 14th 2020
35
Essence Fest back in 2021:
Apr 15th 2020
54
It's time to get the FOCK out of america
Apr 15th 2020
58
the list got me shook for real
Apr 15th 2020
61
Everybody on there has a clear incentive to open everything up yesterday
Apr 15th 2020
63
      RE: Everybody on there has a clear incentive to open everything up yeste...
Apr 15th 2020
64
Face masks are law now in NYS...
Apr 15th 2020
60
Only now?
Apr 15th 2020
67
In slightly brighter news, stimulus is rolling out
Apr 15th 2020
62
RE: In slightly brighter news, stimulus is rolling out
Apr 15th 2020
65
These fucking idiots are going to get everyone killed
Apr 15th 2020
66
like 70% of michiganders approve of whitmers handling of the crisis.
Apr 15th 2020
69
not only Michigan, but it appears to be a firestorm of other states
Apr 16th 2020
81
      I think "firestorm" isn't the right word.
Apr 16th 2020
82
yesterday was our deadliest day by far.
Apr 15th 2020
70
its really stupid
Apr 15th 2020
71
Well, the peak day will be the worst
Apr 15th 2020
72
Using crisis to grab power. Trump threatens to adjourn Congress...
Apr 15th 2020
73
He just cut funding to the WHO.
Apr 15th 2020
74
Vaccine injury compensation is a thing.
Apr 15th 2020
75
Please don't go here...
Apr 16th 2020
79
No, it illustrates the rossover between REAL and FAKE
Apr 16th 2020
80
RE: Please don't go here...
Apr 16th 2020
83
      I’m specifically talking about mentioning autism along
Apr 16th 2020
84
      Can you name a few?
Apr 17th 2020
88
           RE: Can you name a few?
Apr 17th 2020
93
                ...
Apr 18th 2020
101
                I know vaccines can have side effects.
Apr 20th 2020
114
I wish "mass stupidity injury compensation" was a thing.
Apr 22nd 2020
147
Another 5.2 million new unemployment claims ☹️
Apr 16th 2020
76
HOLD UP. The NY zipcode with the most cases is named...
Apr 16th 2020
77
Man, I hope The Beatnuts are okay
Apr 16th 2020
78
we now have more americans dead than hillary had emails (c) rick wilson
Apr 16th 2020
85
this bitch is really mad that states are getting too much credit.
Apr 16th 2020
86
~4600 deaths yesterday. over 2000 more than previous high (day before).
Apr 17th 2020
87
Repugs SNUCK a tax break for the wealthy into stimulus bill
Apr 17th 2020
89
Got a link ?
Apr 17th 2020
90
link
Apr 17th 2020
92
      Repugnantcans being repugnant. Jesus.
Apr 17th 2020
95
      dayum. and ppl out here sweating $1,200
Apr 17th 2020
100
Are you madder at the DNC for this?
Apr 18th 2020
102
Thank you for the concern about my emotional well-being
Apr 19th 2020
112
Or wealthy Dem's stand to benefit from it, hence the non-opposition.
Apr 18th 2020
105
Stimulus bill wouldn't have been passed without it
Apr 20th 2020
116
      C'mon fam
Apr 20th 2020
121
           RE: C'mon fam
Apr 23rd 2020
159
                RE: Repups wanted to not give ANY stimulus money
Apr 23rd 2020
162
                     i got no skin in the game to cop pleas for anyone
May 01st 2020
219
so WWE is essential business in FL.
Apr 17th 2020
91
today Cuomo had time!!! Damn, he killed Trump
Apr 17th 2020
94
? Please elaborate !
Apr 17th 2020
96
      he spent a good 15 minutes shooting down Trump’s BS
Apr 17th 2020
97
           Fuck yea. Hope this is the start of a trend.
Apr 17th 2020
98
Good for Cuomo man, hit em.
Apr 17th 2020
99
Florida man is gonna kill us all. Beaches are packed
Apr 18th 2020
103
RE: Florida man is gonna kill us all. Beaches are packed
Apr 18th 2020
104
      But Floridians are not the ones spreading the virus, though.
Apr 18th 2020
107
           RE: But Floridians are not the ones spreading the virus, though.
Apr 18th 2020
108
           25,000+ cases in Florida......that’s not exactly insignificant
Apr 19th 2020
113
apparently there have been 6000+ deaths in the last 24 hrs.
Apr 18th 2020
106
I don't know about this one. I've been using this...
Apr 18th 2020
109
why aren’t these protesters being arrested? ITWABM/W
Apr 20th 2020
115
Even San Diego has the BULLSHIT
Apr 20th 2020
117
We'd be gone if it was easier to do so
Apr 20th 2020
118
"respect authority" "simple dont break the law"
Apr 20th 2020
119
Georgia folks, you going out and getting a cut on Friday?
Apr 20th 2020
120
I'm old enough to remember when Brian Kemp was the last motherfucker on ...
Apr 20th 2020
122
Lmao!
Apr 21st 2020
124
forget all that! what about Magic City?!
Apr 21st 2020
123
hell the fuck no
Apr 21st 2020
127
I'm not going to a barbershop until there's a vaccine
Apr 21st 2020
129
This is fucking infuriating.
Apr 22nd 2020
145
      Though exceptions and laws are being made, this actually isn't true ...
Apr 22nd 2020
148
           Thanks for the insight. You definitely know more about this than I do.
Apr 22nd 2020
150
My latest conspiracy theory is this whole "Open Up America!" movement...
Apr 21st 2020
125
I don't know that I'd classify that as a 'conspiracy theory'
Apr 21st 2020
126
I don't believe this at all
Apr 21st 2020
128
I dont think it's as much planned
Apr 21st 2020
130
Nah, they've been organizing these things for a little while
Apr 21st 2020
132
Yup!
Apr 21st 2020
133
they openly talk about it in right wing circles.
Apr 21st 2020
135
think about how this affects unemployment filing
Apr 22nd 2020
137
I see it like Romney's "47%" comment.
Apr 22nd 2020
146
      voters 65+ seem to be reacting negatively to all of this.
Apr 22nd 2020
149
           Yeah I saw some stories to that effect this morning.
Apr 22nd 2020
151
Kemp is a dick for reopening but it’s on US not to patronize those pla...
Apr 21st 2020
131
The Real Reason for Gov. Kemp's Reopening of Georgia
Apr 22nd 2020
141
Crazy twitter thread about the "Anti-Mask League" in 1918/1919
Apr 21st 2020
134
we have reached the part where repubs are now accusing nurses
Apr 22nd 2020
136
why wont they show their faces? *hmm emoji*
Apr 22nd 2020
139
theyre officially throwing alex azar under the bus.
Apr 22nd 2020
138
Mayor of Las Vegas offers her citizens up as tribute (vid)
Apr 22nd 2020
140
Let the record show; IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, Congress is on
Apr 22nd 2020
142
Dude,I know watching KLAN vs Foodies rallies and smoking weed on Vice.co...
Apr 22nd 2020
143
      Weird that you cut the 2nd half of that article
Apr 23rd 2020
157
           The date's IMPORTNAT BECAUSE THE INFORMATION CHANGED BRO
Apr 23rd 2020
161
                vote by proxy scrapped...congress is still in recess
Apr 24th 2020
173
                     The house passed the bill YESTERDAY before you replied
Apr 24th 2020
178
                          they still on recess?
Apr 30th 2020
207
trump threw brian kemp under the bus lol
Apr 22nd 2020
144
trump praised kemp behind the scenes on tuesday
Apr 22nd 2020
153
      How do you know Kemp’s team recorded this? I do believe they leaked it
Apr 22nd 2020
154
           because everyone records trump lol.
Apr 22nd 2020
156
the chyron:
Apr 22nd 2020
152
CNN is kinda wilding right now
Apr 22nd 2020
155
everything is flopping for republicans.
Apr 23rd 2020
158
all job gains created after the great recession are now gone.
Apr 23rd 2020
160
Elizabeth Warren lost her brother.
Apr 23rd 2020
163
damn. and i skimmed a minute knowing what to expect
Apr 23rd 2020
168
Cuomo ethers Cocaine Mitch.
Apr 23rd 2020
164
Fred the Godson passed from COVID
Apr 23rd 2020
165
Damn I remember seeing a couple of weeks ago he had turned for the worse
Apr 23rd 2020
167
Rest in peace, Fred The Godson. :(
Apr 23rd 2020
166
Trump bout to have folks injecting Lysol & cooking themselves in tanning...
Apr 23rd 2020
169
hypothetically...lets say that these people were trying to kill everyone...
Apr 23rd 2020
170
Birx finally fed up:
Apr 23rd 2020
171
If ANYONE you knows supports him then GHOST THEM
Apr 23rd 2020
172
Word
Apr 24th 2020
175
Birx & Fauci just won't be there until the next news cycle.
Apr 24th 2020
174
Truly hate to say it but you might be right.
Apr 24th 2020
176
Trump is a master at this shit
Apr 24th 2020
179
Looks like he's going with option 2.
Apr 24th 2020
182
His statement on bleach
Apr 24th 2020
180
      RE: His statement on bleach
Apr 24th 2020
187
           Yea this was classic. The "me ?!" cracked me up.
Apr 25th 2020
195
Cuomo just dared McConnell to allow states...
Apr 24th 2020
177
Trump RE disinfectants: It was just jokes....I was foolin y'all
Apr 24th 2020
181
wow!
Apr 24th 2020
183
so best case scenario and every benefit of the doubt
Apr 24th 2020
184
      ^ word.
Apr 24th 2020
186
Well, Nebraska to tentatively begin re-opening May 4th.
Apr 24th 2020
185
according to conservatives, trust these two random doctor's from Bakersf...
Apr 25th 2020
188
Fucking creeps.
Apr 25th 2020
190
What are they saying??
Apr 25th 2020
191
      The argument (and it could be true, just way premature),
Apr 25th 2020
192
           i havent watched the video but do they consider
Apr 25th 2020
193
                Don't watch it. It's not worth your time.
Apr 25th 2020
194
                     my nephew posted that dr erickson video in family group chat smh.
Apr 28th 2020
201
Tyler Perry somehow someway has a sorta good idea to film his shows:
Apr 25th 2020
189
And now Scarface is on dialysis.
Apr 26th 2020
196
Good interview with Face and Willie Dee (video)
Apr 27th 2020
197
New Yorker article about New York's response
Apr 27th 2020
198
Does your town have COVID deniers protesting?
Apr 27th 2020
199
These stories about dogs and cats having COVID-19 make me think
Apr 28th 2020
200
if they don't, even more lives could be unnecessarily @ risk...
Apr 28th 2020
202
RE: These stories about dogs and cats having COVID-19 make me think
Apr 29th 2020
204
nurse claims NY is 'murdering' COVID-19 patients by putting them on vent...
Apr 28th 2020
203
Whitehouse release Cov-19 Commerciatve Coins
Apr 29th 2020
205
I don't think that store has any official ties to The White House.
May 01st 2020
216
I fear that this is going to impinge upon our human rights, and lead
Apr 29th 2020
206
^^Super ridiculous example there but I kind of see it and disagree
Apr 30th 2020
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      RE: ^^Super ridiculous example there but I kind of see it and disagree
Apr 30th 2020
209
           WHAT?????????????????????????????????????
Apr 30th 2020
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                RE: WHAT?????????????????????????????????????
Apr 30th 2020
211
                     You are super awesome bro
Apr 30th 2020
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                          RE: You are super awesome bro
Apr 30th 2020
213
                               Super AWESOME!!
Apr 30th 2020
214
blackface obama dance at reopen michigan rally.
May 01st 2020
215
"But they are fighting for our rights!"
May 01st 2020
217
i have no idea why repubs are doubling down
May 01st 2020
218
the only reason they do anything: money
May 01st 2020
220
yup yup.
May 03rd 2020
222
It's becuase IT IS WHO THEY ARE
May 01st 2020
221
this too.
May 03rd 2020
223
they can't do otherwise without burning their rule book
May 03rd 2020
229
      lol @ you showing exactly why in your post
May 03rd 2020
230
we just reported our deadliest day. as states are opening up.
May 03rd 2020
224
It's still going to get worse
May 03rd 2020
226
70+% of people who claimed unemployment havent received payments.
May 03rd 2020
225
Why does the CDC show only 37,000 COVID-19 deaths?
May 03rd 2020
227
This article covers it
May 03rd 2020
228
The clown show continues in San Deigo - wearing a KKK hood for a mask
May 04th 2020
231
sarkkkasm
May 04th 2020
233
Sad but not surprised that this happened in Klantee
May 04th 2020
237
Santee back again - now with swastikas !!!!!
May 09th 2020
262
these videos of protesters all in cops faces
May 04th 2020
232
RE: these videos of protesters all in cops faces
May 04th 2020
235
Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by...
May 04th 2020
234
Basically a 9/11 a day
May 04th 2020
236
How to win a second term? Kill off voters in urban areas
May 05th 2020
238
This is kind of interesting...
May 05th 2020
239
Wisdom from " VIBRATE HEALING with Sarah???"
May 05th 2020
240
      thanks for updating the link
May 05th 2020
244
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
May 05th 2020
241
Dr. Rick Bight's files whistleblower complaint
May 05th 2020
242
Special Counsel determines sufficient grounds to believe retaliation
May 08th 2020
251
are we gonna be to sick to vote?
May 05th 2020
243
white supremacists discussed using virus as a bioweapon
May 06th 2020
245
I've got a 4-count on Plandemic truthers so far as well
May 07th 2020
248
Native American Health Center asked for supplies got body bags (swipe)
May 06th 2020
246
Word around the campfire is America reopens by July 1st...
May 07th 2020
247
the porn industry could teach us how to test & trace (swipe):
May 08th 2020
249
White House refuses to hear any additional stimulus legislation in May
May 08th 2020
250
Stephen Miller's wife caught the hoax
May 08th 2020
252
I don't wish death on anybody
May 08th 2020
253
11 Cases in the Secret Service
May 08th 2020
254
      This means Melania has to have it since she is fucking 2 of them
May 08th 2020
256
           ?????????????????
May 09th 2020
258
Roy of 'Siegfried and Roy' fame dies of COVID-19
May 08th 2020
255
COVID-19 Took Black Lives First. It Didn't Have to. (Swipe)
May 09th 2020
257
This Made me smile (Wuhan Virus aint nuthing to...)
May 09th 2020
259
The right is now gearing up anti-vax narrative
May 09th 2020
260
theres a transnational syndicate carrying this stuff out.
May 11th 2020
263
      The Unbelievable Story Of The Plot Against George Soros (Swipe)
May 11th 2020
265
           great article.
May 11th 2020
266
Fed Government turned down company's offer to make 7 mil N95 masks (link...
May 09th 2020
261
why isnt the press more curious about *why* this is happening?
May 11th 2020
264
Trump answers the tough questions (link)
May 11th 2020
267
nvm.
May 11th 2020
268
This needs a real source
May 11th 2020
269
      yeah it was a joke.
May 11th 2020
270
           You playin' with my emotions
May 11th 2020
271
Live Coverage of Senate Committe Hearing with Fauci Testimony
May 12th 2020
272
LA to keep stay at home order in place through July
May 12th 2020
273
we're getting used to no smog and traffic
May 12th 2020
275
Slow, rolling open unique to LA County. Nothing has changed.
May 12th 2020
276
Cal State Univ system (23 campuses) plan to cancel fall in person classe...
May 12th 2020
274
The Four Men Responsible For America’s COVID-19 Test Disaster (Swipe)
May 13th 2020
277
Trump and task force pushing CDC to reduce # of deaths counted (link)
May 13th 2020
278
Whistleblower warns US of 'darkest winter in modern history' in testimon...
May 13th 2020
279
this and the cdc calculation shit
May 13th 2020
280
Right wingers swear this is all in an attempt to beat Trump
May 14th 2020
281
.
May 14th 2020
282
RE: .
May 15th 2020
283
      the typa context the media needs to do a much better job reporting
May 15th 2020
285
i still cant believe we live in country dumb enough
May 15th 2020
284
87,000 U.S. dead as of 5/15/2020
May 15th 2020
286
fam this shit looks like a real life haunted house or nightmare sequence
May 15th 2020
287
and of course trump amplifies it.
May 15th 2020
288
it's horrifying on its face. the president saying journalism isn't essen...
May 15th 2020
289
Anyone who thinks Trump cant win is fooling themselves.
May 16th 2020
290
      RE: Anyone who thinks Trump cant win is fooling themselves.
May 16th 2020
291
           Not sure what to believe but these white folks are scary af
May 17th 2020
293
Gov. Kemp apologizes after chart mistakenly shows downward trend (link)
May 17th 2020
292
This motherfucker seriously put the days in the wrong order.
May 17th 2020
294
Promising early results from vaccine trial
May 18th 2020
295
Donald Trump is taking an experimental drug - Fox is shook
May 18th 2020
296
He is lying through his hydroxy-ass
May 18th 2020
297
I can't wait for the no I didn't say that
May 19th 2020
298
welp... Pops (age 80) tested positive yesterday, stuck in hospital Covid...
May 19th 2020
299
have (had?) covid
May 19th 2020
300
300 and 301, I hope you both recover
May 20th 2020
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RE: 300 and 301, I hope you both recover
May 22nd 2020
309
Damn, man. Congrats on making it through - stay strong
May 20th 2020
303
      i appreciate it
May 22nd 2020
310
Fla. COVID-19 Data Chief responsible for dashboard fired
May 19th 2020
301
Rebekah Jones to make public statement Thursday ( swipeupdate)
May 25th 2020
318
Lockdown Delays Cost at Least 36,000 Lives, Data Show (Swipe)
May 21st 2020
304
We'll be able to do it better next time
May 21st 2020
305
DC we are starting to reopen next Friday. Y'all ready???
May 21st 2020
306
My 12-year-old nephew has experienced covid toe since May 1
May 22nd 2020
307
RE: My 12-year-old nephew has experienced covid toe since May 1
May 22nd 2020
308
In good news, Cameroon Pastor claiming to heal Corona dies of Corona
May 22nd 2020
311
Coronavirus Does Not Spread Easily on Surfaces, C.D.C. Says
May 23rd 2020
312
So all that to say that it does and has spread via surfaces lol
May 23rd 2020
314
      But from a risk management standpoint it's not as dangerous as it could ...
May 25th 2020
319
Front page of NYT
May 23rd 2020
313
Remembering the nearly 100,000 Lives Lost (NY Times Interactive Link)
May 24th 2020
315
Microdroplets Suspending in Air (Video)
May 24th 2020
316
i think this memorial day weekend is gonna go down in history.
May 24th 2020
317

CyrenYoung
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1. "Fans/Critics of Cuomo, can we get a response? (Link/Videos)"
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Mon Apr-13-20 01:06 PM by CyrenYoung

  

          

..no agenda, but this is not a good look:

https://twitter.com/DrRJKavanagh/status/1249155279293493249


*Edit (for proper context):

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Rebecca Kavanagh
@DrRJKavanagh
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Apr 11

Cell phone video shot yesterday on the 145th Street subway platform in Harlem shows a group of NYPD officers terrorizing a little boy for allegedly selling candy.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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Damali
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9. "how does shitty NYPD have anything to do with Cuomo?"
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i haven't been watching his updates so am i missing something?

has he told police to do this?

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CyrenYoung
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16. "they are acting on Cuomo's draconian policies..."
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13376906&mesg_id=13376906&page=2#13377064




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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Damali
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31. "ok i checked those links"
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yes Cuomo has been a shitty governor, but i don't absolve individual police for their actions on behalf of the Police State

nan person can successfully direct me to beat down a defenseless human being. I wouldn't do it..fuck the job

alls I'm saying is, i'm not letting them off the hook. they can follow his draconian policy WITHOUT behaving in an inhumane way.

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42. "Cuomo's silence is deafening..."
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..I actually hold him and Deblasio equally responsible, as well as the direct officers involved.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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49. "this is true. fair enough."
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2. ""Council to Reopen America" announced. ***jerk-off motion***"
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As expected, it's the usual collection of clowns and disaster capitalists: Ivanka, Jared, Mnuchin, Wilbur Ross, Larry Kudlow, etc.

This is largely a waste of time, because it's really up to the state and local governments to decide when is the right time to "reopen."

Also, as everyone should now, "re-opening" the country without mass and expedient testing is a recipe for disaster. Even if it's a "rolling" re-opening.

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4. "how can you reopen something that hasnt been closed?"
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5. "It's not like you can magically re-open shit either. No one wants to ge..."
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45 could proclaim Reopening Day, but still no one going to fly, no one going to stay in hotels, restaurants still gonna be crushed, concert venues still busted, still gonna be massive unemployment and still gonna be bodies piling up.

You can't wave that off and just proclaim this shit solved.

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18. "east and west coast states say nah "
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/13/politics/states-band-together-reopening-plans/index.html

  

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3. "Industry scrambles to stop fatal bird flu in South Carolina"
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The good thing is that they had it contained....or did they?
And this is why what I was talking about in the CVU(2)thread is very concerning. These mutations are happening at a faster rate than every 50-100 years. Commercialized factory farming, where these animals are on top of each other in the most unhygienic buildings, are creating super pathogens we have no immunity to.
This current pandemic wasn't something created in a lab, this is something that has been seen before; whether 1918 to 1950's to the early 2000's.
And if this fatal strain of bird flu somehow combines with this strain of coronavirus to make something new, then the world would be in more serious trouble.
There has to be a way to curb the industry so pathogens like this stop popping up.
Also, somehow shut down those wet markets across the globe.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health/industry-scrambles-to-stop-fatal-bird-flu-in-south-carolina

DES MOINES, Iowa (AP) — An infectious and fatal strain of bird flu has been confirmed in a commercial turkey flock in South Carolina, the first case of the more serious strain of the disease in the United States since 2017 and a worrisome development for an industry that was devastated by previous outbreaks.

The high pathogenic case was found at an operation in Chesterfield County, South Carolina, marking the first case of the more dangerous strain since one found in a Tennessee chicken flock in 2017. In 2015, an estimated 50 million poultry had to be killed at operations mainly in the Upper Midwest after infections spread throughout the region.

“Yes, it’s concerning when we see cases, but we are prepared to respond very quickly and that was done in this case,” said Lyndsay Cole, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service.

The USDA has been working in recent months with scientists and farmers in North Carolina and South Carolina, where a low pathogenic — or less severe — strain of bird flu had been detected.

Low pathogenic bird flu causes few clinical signs in infected birds. However, two strains of low pathogenic bird flu — the H5 and H7 strains — can mutate into highly pathogenic forms, which are frequently fatal to birds and easily transmissible between susceptible species.

Low pathogenic cases were already in an area near the South Carolina and North Carolina state line and USDA was closely monitoring and testing. The case in Chesterfield County, South Carolina was expected to be another low pathogenic case, but it came back from the laboratory high pathogenic which means the less severe virus mutated into the more severe version, Cole said.

“Our scientists at the National Veterinary Services Laboratory had looked at the virus characteristics of the low path virus and they had previously indicated that this was one that was probably likely to mutate so they were watching it very closely,” Cole said.

A laboratory in Ames, Iowa, confirmed the virus with that had been killing turkeys was a high pathogenic H7N3 strain of avian influenza.

A report on the outbreak indicates in was discovered on April 6. It has killed 1,583 turkeys and the remainder of the 32,577 birds in the flock were euthanized.

State officials quarantined the farm, movement controls were implemented and enhanced surveillance was already in place in the area.

“The flock was quickly depopulated and will not enter the marketplace,” said Joel Brandenberger, president of the National Turkey Federation, an industry trade group. “Thorough disinfecting and cleaning procedures have already been initiated on premises as well as surveillance of commercial flocks in the surrounding area. This occurrence poses no threat to public health. Turkey products remain safe and nutritious.”

He said poultry farmers implement strict biosecurity measures year-round and routinely test flocks for avian influenza.

These measures were implemented after an H5N2 avian influenza outbreak that began in December 2014 swept commercial chicken, egg laying and turkey populations throughout much of 2015 killing 50 million birds and causing as much as $3 billion in economic damage. That outbreak is believed to have originated in wild birds.

Nearly 90 percent of the bird losses were on egg-laying chicken farms in Iowa and turkey farms in Minnesota. The bulk of other cases occurred in the adjacent states of Nebraska, Wisconsin, and South Dakota.

Cole said since 2015 significant planning, exercises and coordination has occurred between the federal government, state agencies and the industry.

Cole said the coronavirus pandemic has not affected the ability of the government to respond to the bird flu.

A highly pathogenic H7N9 bird flu strain was detected in Lincoln County, Tennessee, in a chicken flock of 73,500 birds in early March 2017. Ten days later samples from a commercial flock less than two miles away also tested positive for the same strain. The birds were euthanized and buried and the virus didn’t spread further indicating immediate mitigation action can stop spread.

  

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6. "osha announces employers dont have to record covid19 cases."
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1249092195476557824

these people are ghouls.

meanwhile a pork plant in south dakota had to shut down due to an outbreak of coronavirus infections. they accounted for half the confirmed cases in the entire state.
https://twitter.com/KAPPKVEW/status/1249732837865066500

meat plants in places like pa and ia have shut down under similar circumstances too. it looks like the food supply is starting to get disrupted (which is another story).

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7. "WTF"
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I work OSHA-adjacent and am appalled by this.

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8. "um don't paint all local govt's with the same brush, please"
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the lack of a coordinated national response is at fault for all the states being left to fend for themselves (or not), so please place the blame where it belongs

Every other country has responded nationally, except us.

Every
Single
One

Trump and his minions want the death and destruction..this plays right into their fucking greedy cruel hands

they want the "blue" states to suffer. they want Black people to suffer.

The cruelty is the point.

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11. "it says a iot that trumps approval on handling the virus"
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is falling and currently underwater in every reputable poll.

and the governors who are implementing shutdowns and doing the best they can without the fed govt are skyrocketing into 70+% approval.

the people get it.

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14. "exactly. lets hope we all KTSE in November"
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he must go.

bruh, he's trying to sacrifice the post office just so we can't vote by mail

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17. "I didn't say that at all..."
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>the lack of a coordinated national response is at fault for
>all the states being left to fend for themselves (or not), so
>please place the blame where it belongs

The lack of a coordinated national response is precisely why I included local, state, and government officials. As of today, they're still arguing about the right steps to take and continue playing the blame game. There are biases being exposed and its clear that financial agendas trump health & humanity for some of these elected officials (pun intended).

>Trump and his minions want the death and destruction..this
>plays right into their fucking greedy cruel hands
>
>they want the "blue" states to suffer. they want Black people
>to suffer.
>
>The cruelty is the point.

You have a right to your opinion (it could very well be true), but this is bigger than political affiliation. Its not blue vs red state when everyone is at risk.


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19. "RE: I didn't say that at all..."
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>The lack of a coordinated national response is precisely why I
>included local, state, and government officials. As of today,
>they're still arguing about the right steps to take and
>continue playing the blame game.

and i was making the point that that's by design. and if your reference to 'blame game' is about them blaming the feds, their complaints are legit.

There are biases being
>exposed and its clear that financial agendas trump health &
>humanity for some of these elected officials (pun intended).

yup, very true.

>
>You have a right to your opinion (it could very well be true),
>but this is bigger than political affiliation. Its not blue vs
>red state when everyone is at risk.

I totally agree with you...i'm describing the Trump admin's point of view, not my own. red vs blue is bullshit when it comes to this public health crisis.

He's the one stoking this Battle Royale for everything its worth.

That's what I'm saying...he's pitting the states against each other by outbidding them on the open markets and/or seizing some PPE from "blue" states (that's why its in quotes cuz its bullshit) and sending his favored governors what they need.

he doesn't care at all for the lives lost. its all political score cards to him and his team.

>
>
>*skatin' the rings of saturn*
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>..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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10. "another bonkers press briefing."
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this felt like it was months ago...

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVhL0A8XsAIRy7H?format=jpg&name=large

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12. "he constantly sinks to new lows"
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I had as little respect for him as one could possibly have back in 2016, and he’s still managed to fall insanely short of my incredibly low expectations of him.

He’s one of the worst human beings in world history.

  

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13. "My local station cut it off a minute into the propaganda video."
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26. "CNN did basically the same thing"
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cut away to fact check

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20. "Apparently he formally announced his dictatorship tonite ?"
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1249834932513505280?s=21

Good for this reporter:
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1249836805169524738?s=21

Obviously those of us with brains have seen it coming for years but I think this it the first time he's come out and said it this explicitly ?

He even mentioned his intention to "draft papers." We've been fucked for a while but damn.

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22. "RE: Apparently he formally announced his dictatorship tonite ?"
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It does not matter. He does not have that kind of power. He does not realize that we have a check and balance system that keeps all forms of government under control.
He can draft all he wants to, but nothing will come to fruition.

  

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23. "We're still doing the "checks and balances" thing ?"
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>It does not matter. He does not have that kind of power. He
>does not realize that we have a check and balance system that
>keeps all forms of government under control.
>He can draft all he wants to, but nothing will come to
>fruition.

I hope you're being sarcastic. Even my most ardent left-wing friends were saying those exact words after the election in 2016. "Yea this is bad but thank god for checks and balances"

How's that worked out so far.

Edit: sorry for sounding like such a dick here - my vitriol is of course not aimed at you. Just frustrated with everything, obviously.

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27. "RE: We're still doing the "checks and balances" thing ..."
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It has worked out just fine. Trump has not done anything that he is not entitled or has power to do. That’s fact.

Presidents can issue executive orders. That is why every president comes into office and immediately changes the executive orders of the previous president. However, executive orders are not legislative laws, only congress can push that. That’s why when Lincoln issued an executive order to abolish slavery in 1863 it didn’t mean much, and people still owned slaves. However, in 1865, once it was passed as a legislation and added to the constitution, it became an official law of the land. ...that’s check and balance. There is no way around it.

2/3rd of Congress will always have more power than the president when it comes to declaring wars, issuing laws, etc . A president cannot engage the country in an armed conflict nationally or internationally without consent of congress. So this I am king over the states is just pure verbiage. The states created the federal government by forming a union, not the other way around.

  

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15. "The elderly account for almost half of all the Virus-related deaths"
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where I'm from. The nursery home is just not the place to be.

Link: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/covid-19-quebec-april-12-1.5530217

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21. "Just wanted to post this here too. Really good all-black-women panel on"
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the crisis hosted by Angela Rye. Highly recommend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coXYB9ISI_c

Black Women Speak: The Politics of COVID-19.
Did you know Black people are disproportionately affected by and dying with COVID-19? It’s time to take matters into our own hands. In this discussion, Angela Rye called on the justice league of Black Women commentators—

Joy Reid,
Amanda Seales,
Jemele Hill,
Sunny Hostin,
Tiffany Cross,
Errin Haines,
Brittany Packnett Cunningham

to help America understand the politics and racial disparities associated with corona virus.


^^I kind of just stumbled upon it and couldn't stop watching/listening. Really good mix of perspectives and I'd enjoy seeing the same group tackle other topics, for example as a weekly web or cable series.

It's about 1.5h long and just a gently mediated talk - centered on black American experiences - about community-specific risks, impacts, and possible strategies to deal with the pandemic. They touch on lots of angles including (but not limited to):

-thinking about how to message risk communications to get people to care and galvanize across different black experiences;

-commentary about the ingenuity/resilience of folks creating makeshift PPE in the face of shortages/lacking access, and also the racial profiling layer with respect to higher risk of targeting by LE when wearing PPE and/or having to venture to wealthier neighborhoods just to find essentials in the first place;

-barriers to accessing stimulus assistance like owing back child support, lower rate of homeownership (where Sunny speaks from a legal perspective just how unprotected renters are), having a small biz but not employing enough staff by a certain time to qualify for help with payroll, having priors, etc;

-larger proportion of single-parent homes (the parents, aunts/uncles, grandparents of which are the higher risk black folk with chronic conditions leaving kids behind with less caregivers);

And one part I found the most interesting, Sunny summarizes some chatter happening in (black) legal circles laying out what she believes could take the form of a class action, centered on the disproportionate impact that negligent decision-making, failure to test, failure to treat, etc is inflicting on black families during the crisis.

  

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45. "happy to share!"
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39. "thank you thank you ..bookmarking this!"
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44. "lol np! "
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25. "thinking more and more about the effects on globalization"
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after all the dust settles from this



a push towards the idea that some goods and services like med supplies need to be produced here.



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28. "This is basic risk management"
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>a push towards the idea that some goods and services like med
>supplies need to be produced here.

The reason they aren't is because someone could make $1 more by having it done elsewhere.

I hope people see certain industries and functions should not be driven solely by profit.

We'll see.

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29. "This crises has exposed the U.S. in so many ways..."
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..From infrastructure to industry.

We've always known that our jobs/livelihood were sacrificed for profit. For years people leveraged others for the sake of financial gain.

Right now, we have calls for volunteers to participate in manufacturing PPEs and other resources needed to help quell this pandemic. We know that certain industries closed up shop here years ago in favor of lower wages and larger profit margins overseas. If they don't see the urgent need to maintain the balance at home at all times, we're doomed to repeat these scenarios (or worst).




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34. "yeah. all america's sins are laid bare in this. "
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- lack of universal healthcare = colossal health and economic risk
- healthcare tied to employment is stupid.
- inequity and inverted prioritization of gov't (under good circumstances, not even counting trump fuckery)
- trump fuckery: power motivation is so strong someone can do (pick any 2 things he's done) and face no consequences or pushback
- extreme outsourcing = economic and security risk. we need ability to have a critical supply chain for food, medical and other goods, with a certain percentage home grown

that's a lot of big ticket shit. if hrc woulda won (extending obama presidency) i think we could have been much closer to a public option, which could have morphed into m4a by her 2nd term). *maybe* we can get some kind of public option / m4a-ish solution as a result of this complete and total disaster. but then again, you still got states that ain't even on lockdown, and ppl protesting to kick off corona part 2.


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48. "yeah if a crisis don't get us to change ..."
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>>a push towards the idea that some goods and services like
>med
>>supplies need to be produced here.
>
>The reason they aren't is because someone could make $1 more
>by having it done elsewhere.
>
>I hope people see certain industries and functions should not
>be driven solely by profit.
>


>We'll see.




but we'll see though

Because I can see the needle moving back towards a nationalist sentiment in countries. I hope that doesn't happen, and that we just focus on certain industries and functions producing shit in our own borders.

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30. "good to see some regionalism from the CA and NY factions"
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in considering when to ease restrictions. because interstate travel and commerce, of course.

but... none of this can really open back up unless there is widespread testing and isolation guidelines to which the country tightly adheres.

and that's before medicine catches up.

the USA is uniquely screwed in this regard. even if you get rid of Trump and that shithole federal government, you still got the rogue's gallery of governors: Ass-bott (TX), Shitt (OK), Ivey (AL), Reeves (MS), Lyin' Kemp (GA), McBastard (SC), De-Scam-Tis (FL) and others fucking it up for everyone else.

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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32. "Anyone else thinking of jumping ship"
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My wife and I had a serious conversation about leaving the US. We both have savings, we own a house that has equity, we don;t have children, and she has family in NZ that has offered to help us get situated. (Her cousin left after Bush 43 was elected)

I personally do not/cannot trust this country. Way to many failing for what benefits? I can't fathom that leaving in NZ would be worse than here. My parents did it, they left a country searching for better. Why not us.

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33. "RE: Anyone else thinking of jumping ship"
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If it were easy, a lot of people would have done it already. I would have left years ago for Canada.

It’s not that easy. Being an immigrant in a another country is very difficult, which puts you on the other side of the fence. America has become a terrible country. However, as a citizen you still have rights and civil liberties.

In order to live and work in another country, you have to possess a certain skill or have a certain trade the country can use, or be sponsored by a company or job to work and and live in a particular country. Or you can apply or seek asylum. Canada gets a boat load of applications from Americans seeking asylum. It’s crazy. To me racism and capitalism are a threat and danger to life, so I would seek asylum ,too. I imagine all applicants get rejected, though, since it’s not the same as a person trying to escape war, death or famine in their homeland



  

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38. "It's not easy but not impossible"
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just takes research and planning.

there are also some countries that actually do make it easy for American expats

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43. "# 41"
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it's actually a relatively painless mechanism for skilled professionals. I'm not sure whether many Americans even realize it's available to them.


The problem now tho is the pandemic making job searches tough for the next while.

But worth looking into for folks very interested

  

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57. "Correction: America has ALWAYS BEEN a terrible country..."
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>It’s not that easy. Being an immigrant in a another country
>is very difficult, which puts you on the other side of the
>fence. America has become a terrible country. However, as a
>citizen you still have rights and civil liberties.

I know what you meant, but I just wanted it on record in this convo (since this will be archived).

This country was founded on slavery, genocide, and theft. Its been the worst country in the world since its inception, and until they right those wrongs, they'll always remain in that pole position.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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110. "thank you for putting this so succintly."
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Coming to this realization and acceptance over the last 5 years has been devastating for me because I grew up believing the hype about America, and really bought into Obama's hope and change....I barely understood they way capitalism and government worked back then.

I definitely have to thank the Trump Era for shaking me out of that doldrum. This place is fucking trash and I can't wait to be able to leave.

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36. "i was gonna move to canada on a business or investor visa."
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that was the fastest way to jump the line and also go from temp to permanent resident if you can afford it.

i was also thinking about enrolling in a college up there and just spending a few years as a visitor to see if things cooled off. i got a hookup at ryerson in toronto too. and i could prolly get a post grad work permit to extend the 'trial' a few more years.

ultimately i felt like id never be able to sleep at night if i left the rest of my family here to deal with this shit on their own.

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41. "There's provisions under NAFTA/USMCA that allow Americans to work in "
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Canada (for a temporary period with renewals) through an expedited work permit approval process, as long as they can qualify under one of the eligible job titles (they're listed under section 3.8 in the below link):

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/temporary-residents/foreign-workers/international-free-trade-agreements/north-american.html

If you google TN professionals or NAFTA work permit or TN visas the results that come up most frequently are resources for Canadian or Mexican citizens seeking/able to work in the US, which I think might lead people to not realize there's full reciprocity in the agreement.

TNs are pretty popular bc once a job offer is secured the applicant can just focus on getting their paper work together (offer letter, credentials, passport, etc) and get processed right at the border/a port of entry same day.


More links:

https://www.canadianimmigration.com/working-in-canada/nafta-work-permit/professional/

https://allhod.com/canada-immigration/temporary-workers-in-canada/nafta-professional-workers-in-canada/

https://www.settler.ca/english/usmca-a-canadian-visa-and-work-permit-perspective-the-replacement-for-nafta/

  

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46. "correct me if im wrong but i believe those are heavily geared"
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torward temporary work (some sort of estimated start/end date). and part of the reason for the nature of expedited admission is because youre agreeing to only serve a specific purpose then get your ass out lol.

its fairly strict what you can/cant do within the country too (to discourage any notion of extended residence). the most common form of illegal immigration isnt border crossing but overstaying these type of employment visas and going below the radar. so they pay particular attention to the type of behavior that usually precedes that.

i think the op (and the person you replied to up there) was talking about long term emigration tho. and the type of options that are more long term or open ended and providing a pathway to permanent residence/citizenship (like employment/skills visas that you just keep renewing as long as you are employed).

one of the biggest barriers to employment related entry/residence is that you typically have to *already* be hired by a company up there. and you cant stay for an extended period of time up there just to search for employment (its specifically forbidden and they will check to see how/when you were hired). if you violate that...you could be banned from traveling there period.

when i first started digging around...i was looking at going up there for the typical max 3/6 month visa-free stay. then getting an apt off the books or airbnb while looking for a job (im self employed so i technically dont need it to support myself...just to secure the visa). then coming back and applying for the proper visa when i got the employment offer.

after researching a bunch of personal anecdotes on expat boards and speaking to somebody at a consulate down here...i decided it wasnt worth the risk of getting banned.

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53. "Ya they are, about 1 year with extensions/renewals possible. But"
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the expediency is convenient for anyone that's perhaps just looking for an immediate break from their country for a while. It's not like permanent emigration is a light decision. And yes you're right, folks are limited to just working the one job they get but this is what a lot of ppl do anyway. The timeframe and stability is more dependent on the employer tbh, applicants work more closely with them on paperwork etc.

I mean temporary visa overstays are common, in both countries, but they happen with all sorts including student visas. It's seriously not that hard to follow the rules of a new country if it's one's intent. The dynamic you're talking about is moreso driven by people seeking to exploit non-immigrant pathways with long-term residence always being the goal, and they're often from countries that don't have luxuries like the TN pathway agreed to by Can-US-Mex via treaty. It's kind of like the GC marriage circuit: it's not like its abuse discredits the entire fiance visa mechanism as a path for actual couples seeking to unite/marry in the US. Imho, non-shady people that take the time to learn their mechanism and follow the rules have very little to worry about.. other than maybe getting a jerk at the border (and Canadian agents tend to be friendlier than American ones anyway lol).

Anywho I just suggested it because I've been seeing a lot of chatter on this topic in reaction to the possibility of 45s re-election, and I've observed mostly positive experiences with this mechanism first-hand (tho its usually been folks using it to work in the US).

Restricting oneself to ONLY permanent emigration may seem overwhelming to some folks, is my overall point I guess. But if someone was interested in trying a new situation out temporarily (say, until 2024 lol), and then evaluating then whether they're ready to try the US again or look into more permanent emigration pathways (eg. school, marriage, etc), then a hassle-free mechanism where the first and biggest step is a job search may be an easier baby step for some people.

Like they could literally just look for/find a job, get some renters for their condo or house or whatever, and bounce. Binational taxation sucks tho.





>torward temporary work (some sort of estimated start/end
>date). and part of the reason for the nature of expedited
>admission is because youre agreeing to only serve a specific
>purpose then get your ass out lol.
>
>its fairly strict what you can/cant do within the country too
>(to discourage any notion of extended residence). the most
>common form of illegal immigration isnt border crossing but
>overstaying these type of employment visas and going below the
>radar. so they pay particular attention to the type of
>behavior that usually precedes that.
>
>i think the op (and the person you replied to up there) was
>talking about long term emigration tho. and the type of
>options that are more long term or open ended and providing a
>pathway to permanent residence/citizenship (like
>employment/skills visas that you just keep renewing as long as
>you are employed).
>
>one of the biggest barriers to employment related
>entry/residence is that you typically have to *already* be
>hired by a company up there. and you cant stay for an
>extended period of time up there just to search for employment
>(its specifically forbidden and they will check to see
>how/when you were hired). if you violate that...you could be
>banned from traveling there period.
>
>when i first started digging around...i was looking at going
>up there for the typical max 3/6 month visa-free stay. then
>getting an apt off the books or airbnb while looking for a job
>(im self employed so i technically dont need it to support
>myself...just to secure the visa). then coming back and
>applying for the proper visa when i got the employment offer.
>
>after researching a bunch of personal anecdotes on expat
>boards and speaking to somebody at a consulate down here...i
>decided it wasnt worth the risk of getting banned.

  

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55. "on this in particular, I think you were over-complicating it:"
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>
>when i first started digging around...i was looking at going
>up there for the typical max 3/6 month visa-free stay. then
>getting an apt off the books or airbnb while looking for a job
>(im self employed so i technically dont need it to support
>myself...just to secure the visa). then coming back and
>applying for the proper visa when i got the employment offer.
>
>after researching a bunch of personal anecdotes on expat
>boards and speaking to somebody at a consulate down here...i
>decided it wasnt worth the risk of getting banned.


It's generally a bad idea to use non-immigrant pathways for purposes other than they were intended for. So basically, a 3-6month visit under non-immigrant tourist status should be for just chilling, sight-seeing, etc. I mean I'm sure lots of people have found/been offered jobs while visiting, but the point is re-locating to hopefully find a job during that period would have been bad strategy imho.

I think it'd be much safer to apply for jobs from the US, travel up if/as needed for interviews and such (as a regular visa-free visitor), and then if successful, work with the employer (as you're preparing to leave the US) to get your offer letter and other documentation in order (degree(s), transcripts, etc.), so that you'll have everything ready for your move day when you get processed at the Port of Entry (as a TN).

Airbnbs would make more sense to stay at on your interview trips or immediately upon longer-term arrival (after getting processed/approved at the Port of Entry), like if you had trouble securing an apartment/place to stay before your move/hire date kind of thing.

  

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52. "this is really helpful...thanks"
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56. "np!"
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37. "Yes, we are planning for Jan/Feb"
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maybe sooner, if I get an inkling that Trump would try to prevent folks from leaving

My plan is to temporarily settle in Montreal. I have a friend with a big house there. I'll also be studying to become a certified English teacher so I can then travel to other countries and work. I have a non-regional accent and a MA degree so I should be good to work in South Korea, Japan etc

My younger son is planning to start over in Tokyo and the older one will likely head to Europe once his show is done

I'm ready for a new life and this country is severely and irreparably (at least for the next 10 years) compromised.

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40. "That's if you're able to get in as the border is closed to Americans. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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50. "I'm aware but Jan/Feb is a long way from now. "
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Canada isn't a trash country like the U.S.

They will likely open the border in the fall and potentially require a 14 day quarantine for americans entering and i'm fine with that

thanks for the Debbie Downer support.

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47. "unless its Canada, better be ready ot learn a whole new lang and culture"
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51. "what's with this discouraging response?"
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you really think someone considering to move out of the country hasn't considered that?

sheesh.

got any words of encourgement to spare?

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59. "good luck with the TESL thing"
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I'd encourage you to read more about people's experience going to Korea and stuff


esp non white people


They have a very specific idea of what someone qualified to teach english should look like

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111. "yeah i'm aware of that too. why? "
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cuz i'm a dark skinned black woman and how i fucking look is always the first thing I consider when considering travelling anywhere for any reason

like why the fuck are you so hellbent on being a snarky debby downer?

i also personally know dark skin black poeple who have done well teaching specifically in Seoul.

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320. "Some people make it work"
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My brother who's kinda fairskinned/lightskinned taught English in Taiwan a long time ago. He said it was a good experience for the most part. He kind of had to disprove a couple of stereotypes early on but after that initial period the students warmed up to him alot.

Good luck!

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68. "That's why we're considering New Zealand. "
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If a fat guy falls in the woods and there is no one around to see it, do the trees laugh?

  

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35. "trump: i will be authorizing governors to reopen their states "
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whenever and however they want lol.

https://twitter.com/Acosta/status/1250193573879918598
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Trump says he is authorizing governors to make their own decisions on when to reopen. Ok.
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dude really still tryna sound powerful while he tucks his tail.

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54. "Essence Fest back in 2021:"
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https://twitter.com/fox8nola/status/1250400800008003584?s=21

  

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58. "It's time to get the FOCK out of america"
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The president added Vince Mcmahon and Dana White to the National Reopen Economic task force. The majority of people on that list should be economist and scientist.

That's not the case. The force is mostly made up of people like Jerry Jones, Marc Cuban, etc. BUSINESS Tycoons calling the shots on when and how to reopen.

Where are the Governors, scientist, economists,etc?

  

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61. "the list got me shook for real"
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https://www.businessinsider.com/musk-dimon-mcmahon-20-trump-advisors-reopen-us-economy-2020-4

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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63. "Everybody on there has a clear incentive to open everything up yesterday"
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I'm trying to imagine Sheldon Adelson on a conference call being like "well, I think we should wait until its safe before we open the casinos back up"

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64. "RE: Everybody on there has a clear incentive to open everything up yeste..."
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Lol.

I can’t lie. I miss poker like crazy.

Seriously, there is not one lawmaker or democrat on that list, and they are slowly trying to force Dr. Fauci to give a full approval. He is now saying that sports league could return behind closed doors and that he wants to see sports leagues return.

  

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60. "Face masks are law now in NYS..."
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67. "Only now? "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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62. "In slightly brighter news, stimulus is rolling out"
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I feel so weird right now. I'm kind of out of work, and the restaurant industry could still fully collapse at any moment, but right today? I feel relatively rich for the first time in my life. Just need to keep reminding myself this is NOT to be spent on a new TV or anything dumblike that.


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65. "RE: In slightly brighter news, stimulus is rolling out"
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Well, also, Democrats are working on another stimulus bill, where everyone will be paid 2000 dollars a month until the economy is a full strength.

  

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66. "These fucking idiots are going to get everyone killed"
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Ultra-right Michigan dipshits are pissed that Whitmer (the Governor of Michigan) has put strict shelter-in-place order. So they decided to hold a "mass protest" in Lansing, but try to obey social distancing guidelines. Of course, they didn't, marching the streets, carrying assault weapons, and posing for photos on the steps of the capitol.

The kicker is that Whitmer's restrictions don't seem that strict. These guys seem stuck on that is it bars "in-state travel to vacation residences." Like, seriously, they're pulling guns out because they can't got to their vacation homes and get on their boats? They're also restricting large stores having to close areas "dedicated to carpeting, flooring, furniture, garden centers, plant nurseries, or paint." Lots of states do this already.

Morons are complaining that Witmer is treating them like children, and they're acting exactly like them.

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69. "like 70% of michiganders approve of whitmers handling of the crisis."
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so these dickheads (and right wing media) gotta make shit up and say she banned american flags nshit like that. and of course thats one of the top stories being circulated on facebook in regards to whitmer/michigan.

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81. "not only Michigan, but it appears to be a firestorm of other states"
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following: Ohio and now Virginia, and soon more will follow.

which leads me to believe a wealthy donor is behind this.

take a message

  

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82. "I think "firestorm" isn't the right word."
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You're correct in that this is being funded by wealthy Right-wing shit-heads, but this is like groups of dozens in each state. Hardly a genuine groundswell of rejection. It's getting a lot of traction in the news because "both sides" have to get covered, I guess.

Unfortunately, even the acts of dozens can put the rest of the population in serious danger during a pandemic.

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70. "yesterday was our deadliest day by far."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVrKnfmXgAY_Dwj?format=jpg&name=large

meat processing plants, grocery stores, and farmers markets are shutting down because of outbreaks.

nursing homes and jails/prisons are death traps in a full state of crisis (that repubs are trying to suppress information about).

just as theyre talking about 'opening the economy'.

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71. "its really stupid"
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if we completely shut down for 3 weeks we could potential dead it completely.

instead were going to drag it on for months and just let more people get sick and die. keep looking for excuses to stay open and go out.

  

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72. "Well, the peak day will be the worst"
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Hoping that was this week - specifically yesterday.

But work's thinking maybe we'll be back in office in June - unless it's longer.

We're at

27,967 deaths RIGHT now. That's 6x the U.S. deaths of the Iraq War - 8x of those on 9/11.

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73. "Using crisis to grab power. Trump threatens to adjourn Congress..."
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If they don't approve his nominees like for the head of Voice of America (wtf).

Says he is thinking about adjourning Congress and doing recess appointments for all open positions requiring votes, including judges

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74. "He just cut funding to the WHO. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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75. "Vaccine injury compensation is a thing. "
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People develop serious injuries from vaccine trials, and since the covid-19 vaccine candidate is being fast tracked, meaning it is bypassing animal testing and going straight to testing humans, a lot of injuries are going to come from it. This is a very dangerous process. Animals are usually tested before anything goes to human trials.


I would rather wait the 5-10 years that it takes to properly develop a vaccine, instead of having people develop cancer and autism because scientists rushed to have a vaccine developed within 1-2 years.

https://vaccineimpact.com/2020/over-57-million-paid-by-u-s-government-for-vaccine-injuries-in-2020-as-experimental-coronavirus-vaccine-fast-tracked/?fbclid=IwAR1afvZ0DTfE5sHzBNFYxyyb9lfY2Z4o-2DBwTFJj0wHeJjVG6SNzc8rI4g


  

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79. "Please don't go here..."
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>autism because scientists rushed to have a vaccine developed
>within 1-2 years.

  

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80. "No, it illustrates the rossover between REAL and FAKE"
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>>autism because scientists rushed to have a vaccine
>developed
>>within 1-2 years.

And how this world is filled with people who can not be trusted.

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83. "RE: Please don't go here..."
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What do mean don’t go there?

A lot of science testing protocols, depending on who is doing the testing, might be getting side stepped, while dealing with this pandemic....and no might be.. they are getting side stepped normal protocols.

These vaccine testings has bypassed the necessary animal testing stages, going straight to humans, and you don’t think there are going to be some serious health issues to come from that?

I was talking to another poster about this in another thread. He stated they are going to have a vaccine before the year is out, and I told him that was impossible. Normal vaccine development takes 5-10 years, and in extreme, by way of a miracle, 1-3 years.

If they say they will have a vaccine before the year is out, don’t take that shit .. you will either die, develop serious issues, or your offsprings will develop autism to lupus , to whatever.


I’m not against proper vaccines, but there are a lot of vaccines out here creating massive health issues.



Ain’t no fake news about it. They are taking hugeeeeee risks. And understand this, American drug companies are the ones who bypassed animal trials.... foreign countries did not.


https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN20Y1GZ
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84. "I’m specifically talking about mentioning autism along "
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with the possibility of being caused by a vaccine. Any link between autism and vaccines has been disproven time and time again, and it’s a connection that would have never been made separate from the one fraudulent paper from the late 90’s that sparked the anti-vaccine movement.

As a father of a son with ASD, this is a touchy subject for me.

  

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88. "Can you name a few?"
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>I’m not against proper vaccines, but there are a lot of
>vaccines out here creating massive health issues.

Are you referring to older, discontinued vaccines, or current ones?

I agree that these trials shouldn't be rushed and that it's unlikely we'll have a vaccine soon*, but specifically mentioning autism and making sweeping statements in relationship to vaccine safety comes dangerously close to fear mongering, imo.


*) There are about 80 vaccine projects underway and the main route of speeding them up is finding volunteers who will deliberately be exposed to the virus. If researchers can deal with the ethical implications of that approach, we might see vaccines sooner than is normally the case with new viruses.

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93. "RE: Can you name a few?"
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>>I’m not against proper vaccines, but there are a lot of
>>vaccines out here creating massive health issues.
>
>Are you referring to older, discontinued vaccines, or current
>ones?
>
>I agree that these trials shouldn't be rushed and that it's
>unlikely we'll have a vaccine soon*, but specifically
>mentioning autism and making sweeping statements in
>relationship to vaccine safety comes dangerously close to fear
>mongering, imo.
>
>
>*) There are about 80 vaccine projects underway and the main
>route of speeding them up is finding volunteers who will
>deliberately be exposed to the virus. If researchers can deal
>with the ethical implications of that approach, we might see
>vaccines sooner than is normally the case with new viruses.

Yes. I can name one. The flu vaccine. The CDC even has a website for people who have been injured by the vaccine to go to. From allergic reactions to other serious to mild issues, people have been injured from current flu vaccines. So I’m not a big fan of the flu vaccine because of the frequency at which they are recommended ( every year), and due to some of the question marks regarding the safety of the vaccine.

I don’t have a problem with the chicken pox,mumps,polio or tetanus vaccines. Those shots stay the same and are only needed once, and a booster shot needed for tetanus, I believe, every ten years.

As far as seeing a vaccine getting approved rather sooner than later, still will not be ready for at least 1-2 years( and that’s with skipping animal testing ). I stress that America is the only country that is bypassing animal testing ( to my knowledge) , so keep that in mind futuristically. By bypass animal testing you could possibly make the process even longer , because issues could come about that could have been addressed before hand via animal testing. It’s like painting a wall without priming it first. If the paint doesn’t cure, you have to strip everything and start all over.



  

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101. "..."
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he's going to keep pushing the line on misinformation.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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114. "I know vaccines can have side effects."
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You were saying "a lot of vaccines out here creating massive health issues" and only managed to give the flu shot as an example of a shot that *you* consider risky, without citing any evidence to support your claim.

It's like saying seat belts are incredibly dangerous because on some incredibly rare occasions, people get trapped by them instead of having their lives saved.

You're muddying the waters, for what?

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147. "I wish "mass stupidity injury compensation" was a thing. "
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76. "Another 5.2 million new unemployment claims ☹️"
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22 million total over past month

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77. "HOLD UP. The NY zipcode with the most cases is named..."
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Corona NY? Get the fuck out.


see for yourself: https://flo.uri.sh/visualisation/1832440/embed

zipcode 11368

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78. "Man, I hope The Beatnuts are okay"
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Corona Kings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0RCy3FeytY

Actually I hope everyone's okay

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85. "we now have more americans dead than hillary had emails (c) rick wilson"
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86. "this bitch is really mad that states are getting too much credit."
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https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1250921394440896517
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87. "~4600 deaths yesterday. over 2000 more than previous high (day before)."
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https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1250972260741062657
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https://t.co/xJVqFGz1yb
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89. "Repugs SNUCK a tax break for the wealthy into stimulus bill"
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FOH

Either Dems didn’t read it, or they’re incompetently ignorant

Repugs been playing dirty pool since the 2000 election

Dems stay pwned

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90. "Got a link ?"
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>FOH
>
>Either Dems didn’t read it, or they’re incompetently
>ignorant
>
>Repugs been playing dirty pool since the 2000 election
>
>Dems stay pwned

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92. "link"
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https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaharziv/2020/04/14/why-are-rich-americans-getting-17-million-stimulus-checks/#1a89207a665b

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95. "Repugnantcans being repugnant. Jesus."
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100. "dayum. and ppl out here sweating $1,200"
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102. "Are you madder at the DNC for this? "
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Than, you know, the party behind the move?

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112. "Thank you for the concern about my emotional well-being "
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Do you have a comment to add about the topic?

I’d be more interested in your opinion on the topic...than a continuation of your criticism of me personally

Trillions, upon trillions of taxpayer money is being handed out

...during a repug administration...

How do you feel about a D party being complicit...whether through intent, ignorance or incompetence...in providing financial windfalls for the wealthy during a national crisis

AGAIN

?

To clarify, I’m mad that the story is being presented in a context that the Ds are helpless or being tricked, etc...

That’s not a valid defense in 2020

Please offer yours.

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105. "Or wealthy Dem's stand to benefit from it, hence the non-opposition. "
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Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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116. "Stimulus bill wouldn't have been passed without it"
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Repups wanted to not give ANY stimulus money

Dems wanted to not give ANY tax breaks to the rich.

They compromised.

Pelosi and Shumer explained exactly that.

This is what always happens. Sadly, this is how U.S. government works. There has never been any such thing as an earmark-free bill.

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121. "C'mon fam"
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Repugs didn't want any bailout...riiiiiiiiiight

C'mon

So it's woe is me for the Ds, they had no choice?

You really think the Repugs were just going to let the entire economy crumble...

...really...

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159. "RE: C'mon fam"
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>Repugs didn't want any bailout...riiiiiiiiiight
>
>C'mon
>
>So it's woe is me for the Ds, they had no choice?

please point me to where i said woe is me they had no choice.
>
>You really think the Repugs were just going to let the entire
>economy crumble...

of course not, however, they don't believe that giving money to poor people props up the economy.

Republicans are 100% trash. The Democratic Party is tragically flawed as well, but at least they aren't bending the knee for Trump...right now that's their only saving grace.

On the other side of Trump, i truly hope their can be a viable progressive third party formed...Dems are now way too moderate and the GOP is too far to the right.

  

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162. "RE: Repups wanted to not give ANY stimulus money"
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3 bills later...and working on a 4th...that sounded like a plea cop.

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219. "i got no skin in the game to cop pleas for anyone"
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i'm simply adding my thoughts and analysis just like you are

except, you're doing that dumb annoying shit where you switch to judging me cuz you don't agree *shrug*

have fun tho.

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91. "so WWE is essential business in FL."
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this is why can't have nice things.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2020/04/14/834098998/florida-designates-pro-wrestling-essential-business

World Wrestling Entertainment resumed its live televised shows Monday at its facility in Orlando without fans present. After weeks of airing taped pro wrestling matches, WWE received permission last week with a signed order from Florida's Emergency Management Director. The order says "employees at a professional sports and media production with a national audience" are exempt from a stay-at-home order as long as "the location is closed to the general public."

The order was signed April 9. At a press conference Monday, Orange County Mayor Jerry Demings said when Florida Governor Ron DeSantis ordered a statewide lockdown April 1, at first, WWE was not exempted. "With some conversation with the governor's office regarding the governor's order, they were deemed an essential business," Demings said. "And so therefore, they were allowed to remain open."

The order opens the way for Ultimate Fighting Championship and other professional sports associations to resume production and live events in Florida, as long as they're done without an audience.

The WWE events are resuming after the online news site Pro Wrestling Sheet reported one of those involved with the production's on-air staff tested positive for the coronavirus. In a statement to the news site, WWE said, "We believe this matter is low risk to WWE talent and staff, as the individual and a roommate became symptomatic in the days following exposure to two people working in acute health care on the evening of March 26, after WWE's TV production on a closed set was already complete." WWE says the employee has had no contact with anyone with the organization since then and has since recovered.

In a statement released to multiple news organizations, WWE said: "We believe it is now more important than ever to provide people with a diversion from these hard times. We are producing content on a closed set with only essential personnel in attendance following appropriate guidelines while taking additional precautions to ensure the health and wellness of our performers and staff."

In Tallahassee on Tuesday, DeSantis said the decision to declare certain sports or entertainment companies "essential businesses" is done on a "case-by-case basis." He said he believes it's time to begin allowing some sports to resume if, like WWE, it can be done without an audience present. The governor said, "If NASCAR does a race and can televise it without having large crowds, I think that's a good thing." DeSantis said he'd also like to see Tiger Woods and Phil Mickelson face off in a golf match. "You wouldn't have a gallery there. You wouldn't have crowds," he said. "But to put that on TV, I think people have been starved for content

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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94. "today Cuomo had time!!! Damn, he killed Trump"
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Been waiting for that. Much deserved.

  

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96. "? Please elaborate !"
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97. "he spent a good 15 minutes shooting down Trump’s BS"
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Trump was tweeting about Cuomo during this press conference. Reporter told him what Trump had tweeted and asked him to respond.

Cuomo discusses Trump “giving the Governors the power” to decide when to open up...basically suggests he should read the Constitution.

- Cracks that Trump should get up and go to work instead of watching TV.
- Addresses how Trump keeps asking for thank yous on the occasions that he actually does his job.
- Points out that they were going off the CDC’s projections as far as how many ventilators and hospital beds would be needed.
- Talks about how Trump wants nothing to do with helping with testing because “it’s too hard”.

Lots of good stuff in there...

51:25 mark is where it starts.
http://youtu.be/Rifld_dEdxY

  

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98. "Fuck yea. Hope this is the start of a trend."
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99. "Good for Cuomo man, hit em."
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Thought this was a concise reminder of how Trump has shit the bed and made us more vulnerable. https://mobile.twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1251224408959651840

  

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103. "Florida man is gonna kill us all. Beaches are packed"
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https://twitter.com/travisakers/status/1251260796476305409?s=19

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104. "RE: Florida man is gonna kill us all. Beaches are packed"
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Well, Trump said he would leave it up to the states. So each state is going to do it’s own thing, even if it’s dangerous. His refusal to implement a federal restriction order for all states is what has created this mess. Now he keeps flip flopping. Had he implemented a rule from the jump, all states would be in order.

I love what the tri state governors are doing. They are going to work together to reopen their states, as well as most of the Midwest Governors. It makes sense, considering the proximity of each state to one another, and with citizens routinely crossing each other’s borders.

If i were a neighboring state to Florida, I would definitely close off the border to Floridians.

This is going to create a lot of division.

  

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107. "But Floridians are not the ones spreading the virus, though. "
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That would New Yorkers, New Jerseyites and Michiganders.


>If i were a neighboring state to Florida, I would definitely
>close off the border to Floridians.
>
>This is going to create a lot of division.

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108. "RE: But Floridians are not the ones spreading the virus, though. "
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If Florida is doing something opposite than what the neighboring states want to do with the lockdown , then the move would be to close borders

The point is all states are not on the same page, and Florida isn’t workin with neighboring states. ( to my knowledge). That’s my point.

It’s a shit show, because there isn’t any federal guidance. And considering Florida has a lot of retirement communities, you would think they would be more cautious.

The whole point is not to become a hotspot. We have witnessed what has happened to states and countries who relaxed or rejected lockdown orders.....see South Dakota and see Russia

  

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113. "25,000+ cases in Florida......that’s not exactly insignificant"
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106. "apparently there have been 6000+ deaths in the last 24 hrs."
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https://infection2020.com/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV60895WkAAnpP0?format=png&name=large

trump set his 'good job' bar at 60-100k deaths. its looking like we will surpass both of those.

republican governors opening up their states right now would make it even worse.

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109. "I don't know about this one. I've been using this..."
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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

  

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115. "why aren’t these protesters being arrested? ITWABM/W"
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Imagine a group of black protesters defying stay at home orders during a national crisis

Why aren’t they being arrested?

...and wtf does this have to do with the 2nd amendment...

WTF

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117. "Even San Diego has the BULLSHIT"
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I have to think it's because they are Republicans / extremists. There's ALWAYS Trump bullshit - 95 of the time there are pickup trucks with two USA flags in the back, 90% of the time there's a Gadsden flag, 80% there's a Trump 202 flag, 75% a Confederate flag, and 35% of the time it's just a flag with a swastika on it.

And the police always seem to sympathize with them in some way.

San Diego Protests here:

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/encinitas-residents-protest-trails-beach-closures/2309021/ <-This lady was upset her favorite trail was closed LAST WEDNESDAY.

https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/san-diegans-against-stay-at-home-order-protest-in-downtown/2308634/ <-NO IDEA WTF is wrong with these people.

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118. "We'd be gone if it was easier to do so"
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Shit is fucking disgusting...

  

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119. ""respect authority" "simple dont break the law""
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by their own logic it should be 100% fine to shoot them

but there's that one tiny distinction

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120. "Georgia folks, you going out and getting a cut on Friday?"
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KEMP: This Friday allowing certain businesses to reopen:
Gyms
Fitness centers
Barbers
Hair dressers
Nail salons
Massage therapists.

https://twitter.com/ChristineOnTV/status/1252331703235985410?s=20

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122. "I'm old enough to remember when Brian Kemp was the last motherfucker on ..."
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that didn't understand that asymptomatic people could spread the disease... three weeks ago

I wouldn't trust that cracker to re-open a ziploc bag

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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124. "Lmao!"
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Please say hello to you mom for me.

  

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123. "forget all that! what about Magic City?!"
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>KEMP: This Friday allowing certain businesses to reopen:
>Gyms
>Fitness centers
>Barbers
>Hair dressers
>Nail salons
>Massage therapists.
>
>https://twitter.com/ChristineOnTV/status/1252331703235985410?s=20

  

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127. "hell the fuck no"
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Cases in Fulton county still rising....have we even peaked in our first wave to talk about a second wave? And we want to open some of the least distanced/least sanitary places? Fucking idiot governor

  

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129. "I'm not going to a barbershop until there's a vaccine"
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Giving myself the corona ceasar cut at home until then

Too close quarters, physical contact, possible skin breaks

I'm wondering, how the fuck you get a haircut while wearing a mask

I'm resigned to not going to the barber until there's a vaccine
+restaurants, bars, concerts, sporting events

...and those are YUGE sacrifices for me as they are my favorite things to do...

But I recently accepted the fact that normal life for me won't happen until there is a vaccine...which is at least a year away

SMH@people risking their lives for haircuts

Fuck that.

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145. "This is fucking infuriating."
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What people often don't realize is that these stay at home orders have provided protection to ECONOMICALLY vulnerable people, not just physically vulnerable people.

When there's a stay-at-home order in place, businesses can make insurance claims over the fact that they're not legally allowed to be open, through no fault of their own. Furloughed workers can draw unemployment (inadequate, but better than nothing).

Once this is lifted, businesses have no legal cover; they either have to reopen or go out of business. If they reopen, furloughed workers can't draw unemployment anymore, they HAVE to risk their lives and go to work, or ASK to be fired so that they can draw unemployment again.

And nobody's gonna go into these businesses anyway. Certainly not enough to keep them from hemorrhaging income, particularly if they have to pay staff again.

It makes the economic situation worse, AND it makes the public health situation much worse.

My brother lives in Atlanta and has a heart condition. He'll be fine. He's a lawyer. He'll be working from home for the foreseeable future. A lot of people don't have that power, and they'll be forced to choose between health (their own and the public), and starvation.

I honestly hope Brian Kemp gets the bug and has a really rough time with it, just so he knows to take this fucking seriously.

  

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148. "Though exceptions and laws are being made, this actually isn't true ..."
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>When there's a stay-at-home order in place, businesses can
>make insurance claims over the fact that they're not legally
>allowed to be open, through no fault of their own. Furloughed
>workers can draw unemployment (inadequate, but better than
>nothing).

I work in insurance - what you speak of is called "business interruption insurance" which is a type of coverage that *used* to cover epidemics and pandemics under your typical commercial liability insurance. But after the SARS outbreak in the early aughts, insurance companies (in typical asshole insurance carrier fashion) started considering pandemics and epidemics add-ons or "endorsements" to their general coverages, and could therefore jack up premiums for those add-ons. So a lot of companies (specifically small businesses) have been either unwilling or unable to pay for this endorsement and therefore, aren't covered for this "business interruption".

It's fucked up shit but that's how the insurance industry works, sadly.

Thankfully, a lot of state legislatures (California being one, obviously) are basically forcing insurance companies that operate in their states to cover these companies' losses. Specifically small companies. So there is some recourse, depending on where you live/operate your business.

But it's not a foregone conclusion. And I can't imagine GA is one of the states referenced above ha.

EDIT: come to think of it, maybe you are speaking specifically about GA, in which case you may know better than me whether or not they are one of the states forcing insurance carriers to cover these losses. My response is, obviously, about this type of coverage in general.

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150. "Thanks for the insight. You definitely know more about this than I do."
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All I know is that one of my brother's friends runs a restaurant in Atlanta and was planning on filing for interruption insurance, so yeah, that's what I'm talking about.

Maybe things are different in GA (like you, I'm skeptical). Maybe for some reason he was paying for that extra coverage. Or maybe he just wouldn't have had a payable claim. If so, I'd say it's the state's responsibility to step in and regulate their fucking insurance industry, like you're saying. Or better yet, the federal government should be doing more to keep these businesses afloat while they have to stay closed.

People think of this as a "balancing act." But that's a bad analogy. There is ONLY ONE WAY right now to stop this spread -- shutting down nonessential businesses. There are other ways (especially in a nation that controls the world's reserve currency) to mitigate the economic damage. It doesn't have to be one or the other, and the fact that people are phrasing it that way is a statement of how little people care about public health.

  

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125. "My latest conspiracy theory is this whole "Open Up America!" movement..."
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is directly tied to the data that people of color are being infected and dying at a significantly disproportionate rate and how those people generally vote.



  

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126. "I don't know that I'd classify that as a 'conspiracy theory'"
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128. "I don't believe this at all"
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There are more cost effective ways to target people of color.

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130. "I dont think it's as much planned"
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as it is tied to how certain white people think about the virus vs the cost of human lives

Oh its mostly them? We need to open up!

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132. "Nah, they've been organizing these things for a little while"
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I don't think the data motivated these things but they're certainly less concerned about the ramifications if it's black people getting hurt disproportionately.

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133. "Yup!"
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Once that data came out about american hispanics and blacks, trump pushed a whole different tune after flipping in the first place.




  

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135. "they openly talk about it in right wing circles."
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the same way replacement theory became a foundation of right wing nativism and authoritarianism in formalized politics worldwide.

their politics are driven by a mixture of veiled corporate interests (which their base is too dumb to recognize) and acute racial/cultural utterances (war on christmas, bathroom bills, etc). the coronavirus provides them an opportunity to attend to both.

i dont think people grasp just how nihilistic the current conservative movement is. literally theyve abandoned every other principle but inflicting pain/hardship/death on anyone they can (even themselves).

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137. "think about how this affects unemployment filing"
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so your job opens back up and you say 'nope, staying home not safe' can you file for unemployment if they fire you?

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
-Cee-Lo

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146. "I see it like Romney's "47%" comment."
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Or whatever the number was.

Few of them will say, even to themselves, "we don't care about 'those people,' let them die." Poor people, black people, old people, ...

But it doesn't change the fact that they simply DON'T care about the people most vulnerable to this. The most reliable Republican voters will be able to work from home just fine no matter what happens.

  

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149. "voters 65+ seem to be reacting negatively to all of this."
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a lot of recent polls have biden up in that demo. and not by slim margins.

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151. "Yeah I saw some stories to that effect this morning."
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Curious to see what happens in Florida and Arizona, in this cycle and beyond.

I'm never gonna say that this pandemic has any kind of silver lining. But some of the things that are gonna happen in the next six months will be pretty damn hard for even Mr Trump to spin his way through.

  

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131. "Kemp is a dick for reopening but it’s on US not to patronize those pla..."
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It HAS to be on us to not patronize those spots if we don’t want to die...We can blame Kemp all we want for legalizing things but we can’t say he forced us to go get that shape up or those nails done or hair did.

Just say no y’all.

  

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141. "The Real Reason for Gov. Kemp's Reopening of Georgia"
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https://twitter.com/DavidMasterson6/status/1252770923008016384

https://threader.app/thread/1252770923008016384

The Real Reason for Gov. Kemp's Reopening of Georgia
Written by George Chidi:

“You really want to know what I think about rescinding shelter in place in the way this order is structured?

/1

It's about making sure people can't file unemployment. It isn't about saving lives, certainly. It's not about the peak of the curve. I think lots of people are going to ignore the governor and stay home regardless. This isn't a decision being driven by epidemiology. /2

It's the rawest and most lethal of political decisions, and it will kill people.

Kemp is looking forward to the fiscal discussion in 2021 and 2022, when all of this really starts to hit. He got elected by out-yahooing the field./3

His base has been trained to view government spending as a crime, and he knows that he becomes politically vulnerable to an attack if he raises taxes. He is not capable of delivering a nuanced message around necessity, because his base doesn't know how to hear it.

/4

The state is staring at one million unemployment applications. It probably cannot pay those over six months. The unemployment fund has a reserve of about $2.6 billion. Last week it paid out about $42 million -- which is about three times as much as it usually does./5

That figure will double in two weeks, give or take. Maybe more.

At that rate, the fund is empty in about 28 weeks. Probably less. Even if things improve later, that fund will run dry in a year, because unemployment isn't going to return to 5 percent for a long time.

/6

Georgians did the Kansas thing a couple of years ago and instituted a hard constitutional limit on income taxes of 6 percent. It cannot go higher without amending the state constitution. What that means is that there's no easy mechanism for the state to accommodate an /7

extraordinary expense, like this, without somehow telling Republican reactionaries that they must raise taxes.

Those reactionaries are the ones who will be protesting in front of the state house Friday, when this order goes into effect.

/8

If there's no state order calling for businesses to be closed, the people who are unemployed can no longer claim that their unemployment is involuntary, even if it would be utter idiocy for them to return to work./9

A hair dresser or a massage therapist cannot maintain social distance. But they can certainly file for relief ... unless the law says they can work.

"Gyms, fitness centers, bowling alleys, body art studios, barbers, cosmetologists, hair designers, nail care artists,/10

estheticians, their respective schools & massage therapists."

Not banks. Not software firms. Not factories. Not schools.

It is no coincidence that the businesses on this list are staffed by relatively poor people. Because that's who he wants off the unemployment rolls./11

And if they die ... well, they're mostly black people, or Asian, and poor, and an acceptable political loss for a Republican governor.

The purpose of this isn't to open up these businesses. It's to get the workers there off the dole. Work, and die. Or don't work .../12

but you're on your own. Because we can't raise taxes to cover the time you spent trying to save your life and the lives of the people around you.”
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134. "Crazy twitter thread about the "Anti-Mask League" in 1918/1919"
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So ... we always been dumb as fucking fuck huh

https://twitter.com/timkmak/status/1251936242834563073?s=21

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136. "we have reached the part where repubs are now accusing nurses"
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of being crisis actors.

https://twitter.com/kelliwardaz/status/1252610512187056128

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139. "why wont they show their faces? *hmm emoji*"
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first thing i thought when i saw those photos were that they were gonna be accused of not being real

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138. "theyre officially throwing alex azar under the bus."
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via rupert murdochs rag.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/health-chiefs-early-missteps-set-back-coronavirus-response-11587570514

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140. "Mayor of Las Vegas offers her citizens up as tribute (vid)"
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Says she offered to have Las Vegas serve as a control but was turned down by statisticians. That was just one of the many bat shit crazy things she said in her interview.

https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/1253041723510587394?s=09

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142. "Let the record show; IN THE MIDDLE OF A PANDEMIC, Congress is on"
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recess

Can’t just blame repugs at this point

Pelosi won’t save you.

...out here parroting voter fraud conspiracy theories...

Fucking shameful!

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxe9dw/why-is-congress-on-recess-in-the-middle-of-a-pandemic


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143. "Dude,I know watching KLAN vs Foodies rallies and smoking weed on Vice.co..."
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Check the fucking date of the article. April 2nd.

The FUCKIGN REPUBLICANS have been throwing a SHIT FIT about it - it's not that Nancy and Chuck are against it completely - they are willing to look at it - but they concerned that it could be abused outside pandemic times.

Also she's been supportive of voice votes - which the fucking extremist Republicans have squashed.

They are going to hash out what Remote Voting is and if proxy voting will be allowed - but it's going to be as bitterly partisan as everything is now.


From TODAY:
https://www.vox.com/2020/4/22/21230939/debate-around-remote-voting-in-house-explained

A push for proxy voting in the US House of Representatives during the age of coronavirus has been postponed — for now.

*After an outcry from Republicans,* <-look for this line in the next paragraph.

*After an outcry from Republicans,* House Speaker Nancy Pelosi canceled a planned Thursday vote on a resolution to allow remote voting-by-proxy proposed by House Rules Committee Chairman Jim McGovern. Had the resolution passed, it would have been an unprecedented change — House rules say that members shall be present to vote — in keeping with the unprecedented challenges of the novel coronavirus outbreak.

Instead, Pelosi announced Wednesday on a caucus phone call that a bipartisan group will consider ways to do remote voting and committee work, to allow Congress to social distance during the pandemic.

Proxy voting is the act of allowing members of Congress to cast votes on behalf of those who can’t be there in person, in this case because of Covid-19 concerns. While initially reluctant to entertain remote voting, Pelosi recently signaled openness to proxy voting in the midst of the pandemic.

But after a letter from House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) asking for “a clear, safe and effective plan for reopening Congress,” Pelosi decided to wait longer for bipartisan consensus on a plan.

The House wasn’t planning to use proxy voting to pass an interim funding bill containing billions of dollars for small businesses slated for Thursday. While leadership is encouraging every member who can safely vote present to return to the Capitol Hill, they were initially hoping to separately pass the proxy-voting resolution as a contingency plan for future votes.

“We are asking every Member to return who can return. And we hope that that is a large number,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) told reporters on Tuesday, adding over half of its members are expected to be present for the vote. “We’re not ordering members to come back. We do expect sufficient members to come back so we can have a quorum.”

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157. "Weird that you cut the 2nd half of that article "
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Where there is clear opposition from Pelosi on REMOTE voting using teleconference applications

?

What does the date of the article have to do with the information?

Are you saying they didn’t recess for almost the entire month of April?

We’re in month 2 of social distancing...and there’s still no plans for remote voting

You did see where primary voters in Wisconsin contracted covid...?

It’s fucking shameful that people have to risk their lives to cast votes

Both in Congress and the public.

It’s hilarisad how easily we’ve moved to remote working and communicating in our professions, where possible

But our leaders can’t.

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161. "The date's IMPORTNAT BECAUSE THE INFORMATION CHANGED BRO"
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>Where there is clear opposition from Pelosi on REMOTE voting
>using teleconference applications

So YOU START OUT SAYING "they are complete against remote voting in any form any time anywhere" AND THEN YOU CHANGE TO "..Using remote teleconference applications."


>We’re in month 2 of social distancing...and there’s still
>no plans for remote voting

So yesterday Pelosi introduced a specific, implementable plan - and THE REPUBLICANS THROUGH A SHIT FIT.

The plan was completed SEVEN DAYS AGO:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/16/jim-mcgovern-proxy-voting-congress-190987

>You did see where primary voters in Wisconsin contracted
>covid...?

So you move to mail-in voting here. YOU KNOW WHO'S AGAINST THAT?? THE FUCKING REPUBLICANS. THEY AREN'T EVEN IN FAVOR OF THE FUCKING POSTAL SYSTEM BRO.

The Democratic governor on Wisconsin canceled the election and then the Republicans brought it to the Supreme court where THE REPUBLICANS on the court said "It must go on, even if you catch the fucking plague."

(Moved this down since it was a non sequitur)
>Are you saying they didn’t recess for almost the entire
>month of April?

Yes they did. Do you think having all of them in a room would have made the policy decisions more possible? Leadership in both parties are working on bills - having all of them in the room at the same time wouldn't help.

So you know what happened - they passed a bill in the Senate that THE HOUSE IS VOTING ON TODAY. And the leaderships wants it to be a VOICE VOTE so congress people don't have to fly back to vote on it.

And you know who could fuck it up? Any of the people you wanted to be sequester together during the pandemic.


>It’s fucking shameful that people have to risk their lives
>to cast votes
>
>Both in Congress and the public.

Wow, you're really super woke here.



>It’s hilarisad how easily we’ve moved to remote working
>and communicating in our professions, where possible
>
>But our leaders can’t.

Yes, your job and the congress of united states are EXACTLY THE SAME. I get it. They should facetime in - what could go wrong?


AND I AM IN FAVOR OF A WORKABLE REMOTE VOTING SYSTEM, ESPECIALLY DURING TIMES OF CRISIS. (probably ONLY in those times.)

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173. "vote by proxy scrapped...congress is still in recess "
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Today is April 24th

What am I missing here?

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178. "The house passed the bill YESTERDAY before you replied"
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1)Vote by proxy scrapped.

Is that Pelosi's fault? When she introduced a bill AND THE REPUBLICANS THERE A GODDAMN SHIT FIT????????????? SHE HAD TO TABLE IT BECAUSE REPUBLICANS STRONGLY OBJECT.


2)Being in recess stops bills from being presented or voted on?

BECAUSE THEY PASSED THE FUCKING BILL YESTERDAY.


So I think I get what's in your mind.

1)Call the House of Representatives back into active session.
2)Have the congress people fly/drive/bike back.
3)They all sit down.
4)They say the pledge of allegiance and salute the flag.

5)They come up with bills that address the issues, call for votes, have the good ones pass and the bad ones not pass and send them to the Senate who takes them as good faith policies, debates the merits of the bills, passes the good ones, rejects the bad ones, and sends it to the president who signs it into law without a signing statement that directly contradicts it.

You haven't bee paying attention - because THE REPUBLICANS WILL NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

Now in the past, say in 1968, in a time of crisis would the parties come together and do good for the country?? Yes.

Hasn't been that was since 1994 when Gingrich took over.

And yes I know things have always been fucked - there's also been graft and pork on BOTH SIDES, but things changed in 1994 - and they ain't going back.

What changed? The Republicans.


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207. "they still on recess?"
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144. "trump threw brian kemp under the bus lol"
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https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1253090056442654721

this dude aint taking responsibility for nathannn. he aint even backing people who do the exact shit he wanted them to do.

i feel bad for anyone who pushed chloroquine under his orders. cuz down the line dude is gonna act like he wasnt fully on board and prolly even suggest they should be investigated and sued lol.

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153. "trump praised kemp behind the scenes on tuesday"
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1253116603652288513
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Pres. Trump and VP Pence called Georgia Gov. Kemp on Tuesday and expressed support and praise for the move to reopen businesses starting Friday, a source says. Trump later said the opposite -- that he told Kemp he disagreed "strongly" with the decision.

https://t.co/EVwuCVzs6b
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the reason this leaked so quickly is because kemps team leaked it.

the reason kemps team leaked it is because they have it recorded/documented to back it up.

the reason they have it recorded/documented to back it up is because...just like cuomo, hogan, the govs on conference calls, etc...everybody knows not to trust the president to tell the truth in public. even his own party members.

dude is literally lying about (and getting called out by) everything/everyone now. governors, his own admin personnel, etc.

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154. "How do you know Kemp’s team recorded this? I do believe they leaked it"
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156. "because everyone records trump lol."
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this is why we have a constant stream of leaked audio feeds, memos, etc. recently.

if a source is leaking to the press within hours of trumps comments...and the source is instantly deemed credible (and corroborated by another party just as quickly)...they were already prepared for this (and willing to publicly dispute it). they got the goods.

pretty sure even sean hannity keeps evidence on trump at this point.

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152. "the chyron: "
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWPrNLRWAAQg8OP?format=jpg&name=medium

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155. "CNN is kinda wilding right now"
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From sending niggas in there to get into shouting matches with the president, to the latest chyrons.

They stoking the flames for ratings.

  

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158. "everything is flopping for republicans."
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americans views on shutdowns, reopenings, protests, etc couldnt be more clear.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWR_zYRXkAM9sEf?format=jpg&name=large

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWSMjEYX0AE-OIu?format=jpg&name=large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWSMjEaWkAAaK38?format=jpg&name=large

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160. "all job gains created after the great recession are now gone."
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https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1253301367067869185

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163. "Elizabeth Warren lost her brother."
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https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1253332675315724289

Don't read the responses if you want to have a high opinion of our species.

  

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168. "damn. and i skimmed a minute knowing what to expect"
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it's never exactly shocking but it's pretty depressing.

>https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1253332675315724289
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>Don't read the responses if you want to have a high opinion of
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164. "Cuomo ethers Cocaine Mitch."
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https://twitter.com/NYGovCuomo/status/1253358477415788548?s=20

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165. "Fred the Godson passed from COVID"
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shit is wild out here man.

RIP

  

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167. "Damn I remember seeing a couple of weeks ago he had turned for the worse"
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and was hoping no news was good news.

That's so sad man. Damn.

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-Cee-Lo

"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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166. "Rest in peace, Fred The Godson. :("
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Dude had some sick wordplay.

Rest In Peace, Bad News Brown

  

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169. "Trump bout to have folks injecting Lysol & cooking themselves in tanning..."
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*Trump whisper* what do you have to lose


Starts with an official presenting the effects of heat and disinfectants on the virus on surfaces and in the air
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1253447245380440065?s=19


Trump misunderstands that and riffs about hitting bodies with tremendous light and injecting disinfectants to clean the virus out of the lungs
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1253448500676898818?s=09

Then he tries to rope Dr. Birx into it. She moonwalks away lol
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1253455239044308993?s=09

Dr Birx reaction in real time. Trying to disappear into her scarf lol:
https://twitter.com/NC5PhilWilliams/status/1253487743046385670?s=09

https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2020/4/23/21233628/trump-disinfectant-injections-sunlight-coronavirus-briefing

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170. "hypothetically...lets say that these people were trying to kill everyone..."
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one way or another...

would they be doing anything differently than they are now?

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171. "Birx finally fed up: "
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https://twitter.com/nc5philwilliams/status/1253487743046385670?s=21

Tomorrow’s press conference is gonna be wild because the first question from anyone will be to Birx or Fauci and what they think of this bleach bullshit

  

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172. "If ANYONE you knows supports him then GHOST THEM"
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And anyone who tells you that "both sides are the same."

Fuck them.

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175. "Word "
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174. "Birx & Fauci just won't be there until the next news cycle."
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Probably Monday. That's Trump's usual trick. He's gonna say some other dumb shit today that Birx & Fauci might be more willing to dance around for him on Monday.

That or Trump will come out today and furiously insist he'd been misquoted. Some reporter will read it back to him word for word. He'll say the reporter is wrong, call them names. Then the story becomes 'Trump picks fight with reporter,' which is much more manageable than 'Trump suggests injecting bleach.'

  

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176. "Truly hate to say it but you might be right. "
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179. "Trump is a master at this shit"
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He is really playing that next level troll game and everyone falls for it every time.

I don't think that he is as aggressively dumb enough to believe this whole thing. He is just controlling the entire narrative.

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182. "Looks like he's going with option 2."
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180. "His statement on bleach"
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"So supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful, light — and I think you said that hasn’t been checked but you’re going to test it — and then I said suppose you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that, too. Sounds interesting.

Then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. Is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside? Or almost a cleaning, ‘cause you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it’d be interesting to check that. So you’re going to have to use medical doctors but it sounds interesting to me, so we’ll see but the whole concept of the light. The way it kills it in one minute, that’s pretty powerful."

-Donald J. Trump, President of the United States 04/23/2020

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187. "RE: His statement on bleach"
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https://www.instagram.com/p/B_XbiTrJFpf/

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195. "Yea this was classic. The "me ?!" cracked me up."
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177. "Cuomo just dared McConnell to allow states..."
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... to declare bankruptcy. He dared him to pursue the legislation, pass it, and have the President sign it.

  

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181. "Trump RE disinfectants: It was just jokes....I was foolin y'all"
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President Trump says remarks about heat, light, disinfectant were sarcastic: "I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen."
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1253734108448120834?s=20


"It didn't seem like it was coming off as sarcastic when he was talking and turning to Dr. Birx on the side," Fox News anchor Bret Baier said on air after Trump's walk-back was reported.

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183. "wow!"
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184. "so best case scenario and every benefit of the doubt"
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he's cracking jokes about treatment for the virus that killed 50,000 americans in the last 2 months.

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186. "^ word."
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185. "Well, Nebraska to tentatively begin re-opening May 4th."
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Restaurants will move to 50% capacity, no bar seating, all staff must wear masks and gloves, no table larger than 6, and no tables within 6 feet. Salons, tattoo/massage parlors will also open with use of masks.

The initial reaction from most unemployed service industry workers I know is incredibly negative, with most assuming this is really a ploy by the state government to get out from under its unemployment benefits load (many people I know have not received a single payment in over 6 weeks) and force people back to work who are making more money on unemployment than they'd expect to back at work. In some cases, like cooks, making a significantly higher income.

Additionally, I've seen a lot of people worried that allowing customers into the restaurant will significantly increase exposure for the staff, and thus they not only won't be dining in but will discontinue ordering out as well.

I'd say about 80% of the social media feedback I've seen is strongly negative, and this is a state that's as Red as it gets.

  

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188. "according to conservatives, trust these two random doctor's from Bakersf..."
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how long until this shit ends up on Fox and eventually Trump's ears?

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190. "Fucking creeps."
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Yeah, this kind of talk is gonna get bigger and bigger. I've seen a lot of otherwise very smart (and supposedly lefty) people fall for this. I'm surprised we haven't seen more of it here.

And they could very well turn out to be right. The problem is, we don't have good enough data yet to honestly judge these questions. They're not saying it like this, but these guys want us to roll the dice on something that could potentially kill millions of people.

Nobody disputes that the death count will be exponentially correlated with our control measures. And nobody disputes that it takes at least two weeks to find out if we've loosened up too far. So what these guys are really saying is: people are out of work, we don't want the government to have to cover so much unemployment, so let's just forget about the disease and hope for the best.

I'm so fucking tired of hearing people say "we need to follow the science" and then immediately report the preliminary data that they cherry-picked specifically to make the case they wanted to make from the start. (For the record, MDs are not scientists. You should never trust an MD to make a scientific case. Or any individual actual scientist, for that matter.)

A lot of these arguments rest on some measurements of Santa Clara County and LA County that the whole community immediately recognized as fatally flawed.

https://arstechnica.com/science/2020/04/experts-demolish-studies-suggesting-covid-19-is-no-worse-than-flu/

By the researchers' OWN estimates, their data was consistent with all their seropositive cases being false-positive. So they basically haven't measured anything at all. This episode will be a textbook example of bad statistics for the next 50 years. And yet we still get to hear how "Stanford scientists have shown that we don't need social distancing!"

The whole thing is a direct echo of the bullshit arguments we've heard against 'climate alarmism' or 'HIV alarmism' for our entire lives.

A little bit of knowledge can do a hell of a lot of harm.

  

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191. "What are they saying??"
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A synopsis for a video??? I watched for 3 minutes and the dude said nothing. So off he goes.


I found this:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Coronavirus/comments/g731sd/dr_erickson_covid19_briefing/

So these docs are saying it's not that bad and that you should just let everyone go outside and those who die will die - then we'll have herd immunity - and it won't be bad - just like the same or a little mroe than the flu kills.

And he's using data from the past few months to compare to flu data for a year.

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192. "The argument (and it could be true, just way premature),"
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is that the disease is killing a lot of people because it's hugely infectious, not because it's particularly dangerous to those who get it. So supposedly a huge number of people have gotten it but only a tiny fraction of that big number have died.

This wouldn't mean it's not a problem. But it could conceivably mean that social distancing is pointless. If we're all gonna get it, and a few hundred thousand people are gonna die from it no matter what we do, then by shutting down the economy we're just delaying the inevitable. We should suck it up and let it burn itself out.

At least that's the closest thing to a rational argument. (The data on this is veerry sketchy at this point, which they never admit.) Unfortunately it also travels in the same conspiracy theory world as 'covid19 is a hoax!', or 'only fat and old people are at risk' (as if such people don't matter), or 'it's just the flu,' or 'vodka will disinfect your throat.' So even if it turns out there's something to it it really shouldn't be dignified with as much attention as it'll get.

  

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193. "i havent watched the video but do they consider"
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that the numbers arent completely catastrophic precisely because much of the world basically shut down?

without the shutdowns...the death toll would be dramatically worse. not only would you have an increase in the 1st layer of infection...but with an overwhelmed health system...theres less life saving treatment available in ratio to those infected (spiking the rate of death). then you have those indirect deaths where people at the hospital for other life threatening ailments might miss out on emergency treatment too (shortage of beds, available staff, etc).

basically italy.

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194. "Don't watch it. It's not worth your time."
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I only skimmed it, but it's the same naive shit I've been arguing over with my sociologist cousin, who thinks he understands statistics better than the whole epidemiology community.

These guys are flexible on their conspiracy theories. If pushed, they'll admit that social distancing has slowed the outbreaks, and yes, that the outbreaks would be bigger (but briefer) if we went back to normal. But they still want to think there would be enough beds and ventilators if we 'lessened' the social distancing. They're remarkably vague (and inconsistent) about *how much* we can let up, fundamentally because they don't have any fucking idea. All they know is that right now we're probably doing more than we need to do, which isn't news to anyone, and to the extent it's news, it's good news, not bad news.

A few weeks ago, the argument was "In March the models said there'd be 200,000 deaths by August, now they're down to 60,000 deaths by August. How low will it have to go before these alarmists admit they were wrong?!" Meanwhile, we're now on track to hit those 60,000 deaths by the end of April.

It's a fast-moving analog of climate denial.

  

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201. "my nephew posted that dr erickson video in family group chat smh."
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189. "Tyler Perry somehow someway has a sorta good idea to film his shows:"
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https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/25/tyler-perry-working-on-safe-way-to-reopen-atlanta-studio/

TMZ of course is right, what if a cast member has to leave to deal with a family medical emergency and yeah day players could be an issue but I’m low key impressed at this plan.

  

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196. "And now Scarface is on dialysis. "
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Link: https://www.hot97.com/hip-hop-news/hot97-now/scarface-on-dialysis-after-covid-19-causes-kidney-failure/

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197. "Good interview with Face and Willie Dee (video)"
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198. "New Yorker article about New York's response"
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to the corona virus compared to Seattle's. Article is a bit too long to copy and paste, so here's the link: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/05/04/seattles-leaders-let-scientists-take-the-lead-new-yorks-did-not

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199. "Does your town have COVID deniers protesting?"
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San Deigo does - and on the coast, just not inland.

https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2020/04/26/protesters-in-pacific-beach-call-covid-19-a-lie-while-others-strike-back/

https://twitter.com/MHoffmam/status/1254566481834065920?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1254575138197999617&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Ftimesofsandiego.com%2Fpolitics%2F2020%2F04%2F26%2Fprotesters-in-pacific-beach-call-covid-19-a-lie-while-others-strike-back%2F <-pictures

4/27/2020
Protesters with signs such as “COVID is a LIE” and “PB IS OPEN” gathered Sunday near a lifeguard station in Pacific Beach to protest state and county stay-home orders and beach closures in response to the COVID-19 pandemic.

At least 200 people rallied with U.S. flags and protest signs next to the PB Shore Club at 4343 Ocean Blvd., most not following social distancing orders or wearing facial coverings.

Two police motorcycle officers circled the area with dozens of officers patrolling on foot, mostly keeping roadways clear.

The protest, dubbed “A Day of Liberty San Diego Freedom Rally,” was organized by Naomi Soria, who organized last week’s downtown San Diego rally. (A group chanted: “We are Naomi.”)

A protester with a sign joins hundreds of people in Pacific Beach calling for an end to stay-at-home orders.
Hundreds of people in Pacific Beach called for an end to stay-at-home orders. Photo by Chris Stone
It was not immediately known whether anyone was cited for violating the stay-at-home order or congregating on a closed beach.
The protest began at 1 p.m. and people started to leave the area near the lifeguard tower after about half an hour, gathering at the corner of Mission Boulevard and Grand Avenue.

The Rev. Shane Harris, whose call for citations led to a move to charge April 18 rally organizer Soria, reacted to a sign he saw Sunday in Pacific Beach likening stay-at-home orders to slavery.

“I’m sorry but slavery is a far reach for social distancing,” tweeted Harris, leader of the People’s Alliance for Justice. “Don’t compare your protests for a beach opening up to our fight for basic human dignity.”

Also Sunday, the group Showing Up for Racial Justice San Diego issued a statement critical of the protests.

“Make no mistake — the bulk of these people are members of extremist groups that are taking advantage of this moment to advance their political agenda,” said Blair Overstreet, a leader of the group — part of a national network “that educates and mobilizes white people in the collective fight for racial and economic justice.”

“These same organizations and participants have been the drivers behind anti-LGBTQ+, anti-Muslim, and anti-vaxx protests, both locally and statewide,” Overstreet said. “These very small, local protests have been encouraged and amplified by organizers that then bring people in from all over the state, traveling to each of these rallies, and bringing vulnerable people into their cause.”

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200. "These stories about dogs and cats having COVID-19 make me think"
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"How did a dog/cat get a test when there are humans out here who can't get tests!?"

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202. "if they don't, even more lives could be unnecessarily @ risk..."
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..There's no way around it.


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204. "RE: These stories about dogs and cats having COVID-19 make me think"
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Animal blood samples go to animal testing labs. They don't go to human testing labs, so animal tests are not jumping over human tests that are waiting to be processed.

Human tests go to human test labs, and cannot be processed by animal test labs. So animal tests are not exhausting the resources of human test labs.

  

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203. "nurse claims NY is 'murdering' COVID-19 patients by putting them on vent..."
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Nurse working on coronavirus frontline in New York claims the city is 'murdering' COVID-19 patients by putting them on ventilators and causing trauma to the lungs

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8262351/Nurse-New-York-claims-city-killing-COVID-19-patients-putting-ventilators.html

  

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205. "Whitehouse release Cov-19 Commerciatve Coins "
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https://www.whitehousegiftshop.com/product-p/covid-heroes.htm

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216. "I don't think that store has any official ties to The White House."
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For whatever it's worth.

  

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206. "I fear that this is going to impinge upon our human rights, and lead "
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to severe measures of condemnation.

I don’t necessarily agree with the anti-lockdown protestors. However, I’m seeing this pandemic lead to digital and physical witch hunts.

Example, A male Chicagoian held a house party of 50 people. A video of the party was uploaded to Facebook. Within a matter of minutes , the video had gone viral, and a hunt was out for the person who organized the gathering. The individual was verbally degraded and reprimanded throughout the social media universe, and some were saying that he needed to be jailed or shot.

Major news outlets tracked him down to get an interview , and the interview is already in the papers. His address and photo are in the papers as well. It appears that the young man was simply oblivious and unaware on just how dangerous the virus is. He also stated that he threw the party to honor his 2 friends who had recently been murdered.


I can honestly see our laws and amendments being changed to acknowledge some form of distancing, and individuals being jailed for breaching them, or something even more severe than that. We are dealing with a pandemic and the necessary precautions need to be implemented, but our liberties and rights as human beings and citizens shouldn’t just be tossed out the window either.....

Things are going to get really slippery as human interactions continue to be suppressed.....




  

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208. "^^Super ridiculous example there but I kind of see it and disagree"
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I agree - don't DOX people.

But, if the world is so fragile that you can't NOT party for a few month before HAVING TO PARTY then we are in BIG trouble.

But yes, don't DOX people. Don't go harm people. Shaming people??? I'm fine with that right now - when an actual plague is spreading.


https://abc7chicago.com/health/cfd-commander-owns-home-that-held-packed-house-party-alderman-says/6139955/

And watch the video - dude says he thought the virus was a scam - but he gets it now.

BTW, he got a violation for disorderly conduct.

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209. "RE: ^^Super ridiculous example there but I kind of see it and disagree"
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I don't think you are following me here. It's not so much about having a party. It's more about where do your liberties end and begin with this as a citizen and as a human being?

That's the question.


At the end of the day, regardless of governments, laws, orders, etc, you are your own free organism and existence. That is fact. When it comes to any order given by government, religion, or just man in general, it tends to travel to the extreme, and then an uprising comes about sooner or later, because of the simple nature of free will, volition etc.


For instance take the Spanish Inquisition, not a similar situation, but an order to either follow Catholicism or be tortured. Now that wasn't a pandemic and has nothing to do with the pandemic, but it was an order to have people exist and act a certain way, and infringed upon their rights as free human beings.


What if this situation graduates to where government orders everyone to get vaccinated, or that there will permanently be no close interaction in public, and those who breach those orders will be detained, etc?

If these lockdowns are extended, and they definitely will be, the number of people who are against them will continue to rise and rise. Human suppression can only last for so long, no matter if it is 400 years or 2 days. Life is a matter of balance, where there will always be opposing energies, or opposition to a constant mechanism....

A constant mechanism is never agreed upon or followed by all, no matter if the mechanism is to save lives or uplift the people. The matrix taught us that. It is just the simple nature of opposing tendencies or energies.....and that opposition usually comes about when certain actions have swayed to a point of an imbalance.

So again where and when does the line ( imbalance) gets drawn where liberties and rights start to become fractured with all of this?










  

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210. "WHAT?????????????????????????????????????"
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WTF? THE SPANISH INQUISITION is somehow SIMILAR to STAY AT HOME ORDERS?

They didn't even make dude sit in THE COMFY CHAIR! Much less torture.

Dream of your revolution where your more free to spread the plague than to not.

If that's who you are then cool. (House partiers, biker gangs, and gun rights advocates will be at your party spreading it too!)

The other extension is:
If anyone spreads the plague to me and then tells me they have a right to - well I'm simply going to murder that person. I have the right to defend myself, don't I??? <-Another "logical" conclusion that's not good.


Note: California Governor Newsom is likely to order ALL beaches shut down this weekend (after many re-opened.) We'll hear a lot of your arguments on the news about liberties from people in swim trunks decrying the over reach of governemnt.

Right now I think you're all just babies.



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211. "RE: WHAT?????????????????????????????????????"
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Your verbal actions are very hostile and lack calmness. and you don't read to well. I stated that the SI is not the pandemic or related to it, but no different when it comes to government orders....government orders are government orders.

Anyway, Your response proves my point. Your hostility and anger that OPPOSES my comments for the beliefs and views of your own. This is the balance. There will be those who are against, and those who are for...and this is where the battle happens. You just stated that someone opposing those orders would give you the right to protect yourself, by even killing if you have to.....You are proving my point.

There are uprisings and revolutions that happen almost every year, in different countries,etc. That will always exist. There was recently one in the middle east ( the arabian spring where leaders were killed). There was one happening before covid in Hong Kong.....No one is exempt of an uprising, no country either.

WE didn't see this epidemic coming, but it is here. So it is safe to say that we do not know what will happen. And as lockdowns get extended and possibly become stricter, will the protests grow even bigger?.....


I take no sides here ...just merely stating what history has already stated and continues to state.

  

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212. "You are super awesome bro"
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You do you.

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213. "RE: You are super awesome bro"
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Our Governor is already facing lawsuits regarding our stay at home order. There are lawsuits that talk about the state impinging on their constitutional rights.


"Pastor Steve Cassell with Beloved Church in Lena, Illinois, was preaching last week on isolation, but is now challenging the governor's restrictions on church gatherings.

"The devil does his greatest works in isolation," Cassell said during an online church service.

He's seeking a temporary restraining order to allow his congregation to once again meet in person and not online. Stephenson County, where his church is located, has had just 35 COVID-19 cases and no deaths, according to the Department of Public Health.

"The First Amendment has been taken away," Cassell said. "I would like it back, please. I would like it back, please. The freedom to exercise my religious liberties and the freedom to peaceably assemble are some of the core foundations of what our entire nation is built on."



It does not matter what type of order it is or what type of rule it is, no matter what the ruling is for, there will always be a group of people who think opposite to whatever is being ordered. Same way with the American Revolution, it was people (colonies)stating "no taxation without representation", and why should we be forced to pay taxes
or agree to laws that we did not vote for or having any representation to vote.


Again, I take no sides. Just stating on how all living things act when it comes to orders or laws.



  

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214. "Super AWESOME!!"
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Why not reply again to get the last word???

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215. "blackface obama dance at reopen michigan rally."
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https://twitter.com/RzstProgramming/status/1256214592180674560

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217. ""But they are fighting for our rights!""
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Clown niggas say clown things

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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218. "i have no idea why repubs are doubling down "
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on 'opening up the economy' and backing these reopen protests.

the protests are extremely unpopular.
https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1252410248888901632

even seniors, rural folks, and working class whites tilt against trump on this.
https://twitter.com/ThePlumLineGS/status/1252715282138910720

govs who shut down and went against trump saw huge boosts in approval.
https://twitter.com/PoliticsReid/status/1255930519298224134

and people like brian kemp (trump friendly gov who shut down late and reopened early) saw their approval collapse.
https://twitter.com/HotlineJosh/status/1256174978556452864

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220. "the only reason they do anything: money"
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leaving the economy "closed" puts the onus on the state & federal budgets to provide funds for the citizenry (unemployment payments, stimulus etc)

opening up means that responsibility shifts back to private businesses.

that's it.

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222. "yup yup."
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221. "It's becuase IT IS WHO THEY ARE"
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They are deplorable.

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223. "this too."
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229. "they can't do otherwise without burning their rule book"
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If the gov handled this even close to right, it would prove that government can actually play an important role.

Think about how much progressive shit was done after the great depression...think about (in some respects, anyway) how that helped lurch the country left for a few decades.

Everyone with half a brain knows 1 $1200 check isn't the answer, and knows that this isn't a problem that is going away next month.

Whole situation makes me **extra** mad at the left for not running better candidates/campaigns.


I really think this *could* have been an opportunity to elect a progressive candidate and president. I do. Its just that Warren ended up being a bad politician and Bernard ended up being a really bad movement leader who ran a very misguided campaign.

But I don't know if the country is built for something like this anyway. Its like if we can't go to work, eat out, and buy shit we don't know what to do with ourselves.

  

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230. "lol @ you showing exactly why in your post"
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>I really think this *could* have been an opportunity to elect
>a progressive candidate and president. I do. Its just that
>Warren ended up being a bad politician and Bernard ended up
>being a really bad movement leader who ran a very misguided
>campaign.
>

this BS is exactly why there is no viable progressive candidate...cuz most people want a perfect progressive...y'all always have a caveat.

there's ALWAYS going to be something wrong with a progressive candidate.

why? cuz they are flawed human beings, just like any other candidate. no one is ever gonna be good enough if we always trying to play some dumb ass zero sum game.

Warren or Bernie would have been just fine.

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224. "we just reported our deadliest day. as states are opening up."
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https://twitter.com/MattMurph24/status/1256771848248995841
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WHO: US just reported deadliest day for coronavirus

https://t.co/e1FZT3tRyI
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226. "It's still going to get worse "
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My hospital is still saying that the current model puts the peak like 10 days from now. (They update the model and prediction every few days.)

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225. "70+% of people who claimed unemployment havent received payments."
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in florida...only 8% of claims have been approved.

https://www.salon.com/2020/05/02/more-than-70-of-jobless-americans-did-not-receive-march-unemployment-benefits-study/

meanwhile corporations are getting millions in bailouts they dont even need with no requirement to pay employees or limit executive pay.

we no longer live in a democratic country with a functioning government. we live in a failed state.

this is russian/eastern bloc level shameless corruption.

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227. "Why does the CDC show only 37,000 COVID-19 deaths?"
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Am I missing something on their website or reading it wrong?

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

  

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228. "This article covers it"
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https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/briannasacks/coronavirus-death-toll-cdc-misinformation

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231. "The clown show continues in San Deigo - wearing a KKK hood for a mask"
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https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2020-05-03/man-wearing-kkk-hood-in-santee-sparks-outrage

SANTEE — A man was spotted wearing a Ku Klux Klan hood in a Vons in Santee on Saturday, igniting outrage from the mayor, the head of the Anti-Defamation League in San Diego and others.
A corporate spokeswoman said grocery clerks repeatedly asked the shopper to remove the hood or leave the store, located on Mission Gorge Road.

A supervisor found the man once he was in a checkout line and asked him again to take off the hood or leave, said Melissa Hill, a spokeswoman for Vons, Albertsons and Pavilions stores in Southern California.

The man removed the hood, purchased his items and left.

Photos shared on social media showed the man pushing the cart in the store’s produce area and holding a plastic produce bag while wearing the hood. At least one photo shows the man, who appears to be white and middle-aged, standing behind a cart without a hood.

Santee Mayor John Minto and other leaders condemned the incident.

“San Diego is #NoPlaceForHate,” Tammy Gillies, regional director of the Anti-Defamation League in the San Diego area, said on Twitter.

Minto and residents who commented on social media said the shopper’s actions do not represent the values of the East County city of almost 60,000 residents. The city has worked over the years to overcome a history of racially motivated attacks and skinhead activity that led to the nicknames “Klantee” and “Santucky.”

“So troublesome in so many ways this is still happening in Santee at Vons,” resident Tiam Tellez wrote on Facebook, where he shared photos he took of the shopper. “Disgusting!”

While some questioned why the man was not forced to leave the store, Tellez, Minto and others thanked the store’s management team for stepping in.

“Many thanks to all who stepped forward to curtail this sad reminder of intolerance,” the mayor said. “Santee, its leaders and I will not tolerate such behavior.”

County Supervisor Dianne Jacob, who represents Santee and other East County communities, also denounced the man’s actions.

“The images I’ve seen are abhorrent,” she said in a statement. “This blatant racism has no place in Santee or any part of San Diego County. It is not who we are. It is not what we stand for and can’t be tolerated.”

Hill said the incident was alarming and shocking.

“At Vons, fostering an environment of courtesy, dignity, and respect is one of our highest priorities, and we work hard to hold everyone in our stores to these standards, including customers,” Hill said. “This was a disturbing incident for our associates and customers, and we are reviewing with our team how to best handle such inappropriate situations in the future.”

The incident occurred a day after a San Diego County mandate requiring residents to wear face coverings in public, including in grocery stores, took effect. The mandate is aimed at slowing the spread of COVID-19.

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233. "sarkkkasm"
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237. "Sad but not surprised that this happened in Klantee"
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262. "Santee back again - now with swastikas !!!!!"
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This is a store close enough to me that I've shopped there.


https://www.huffpost.com/entry/santee-california-kkk-swastika-videotika-face-mask-dusty-shekel_n_5eb6252dc5b6c3bd86ff45bb

A customer wearing a swastika face mask was confronted by deputies at a grocery store in the same Southern California community where another shopper wore a Ku Klux Klan hood just days ago ― the latest examples of white supremacist and anti-Semitic symbols being used to protest COVID-19 safety measures.

The shopper removed the swastika after being ordered to do so by deputies called to the scene at Food 4 Less in Santee on Thursday, said law enforcement authorities.

The shopper — who later identified himself to the Times of San Diego (and to police) as Santee resident Dustin Hart — uploaded a video of his confrontation with a store clerk and a pair of deputies called to the scene to deal with a “disturbance.” He claimed it was his “First Amendment” right to wear the mask. But one of the deputies pointed out that he was in a “family friendly” private store that “can make their own rules.” The officer added: “They don’t want people seeing that. It’s offensive.”

Seconds earlier, the Times reported, a store clerk asked him to remove the mask because it was “basically a hate crime.” He refused.

In a video of the incident Hart posted to BitChute, a right-wing video platform that often features hate speech, he appeared to be with his wife, who was wearing a black T-shirt with the “honkler” clown version of Pepe the Frog, a white nationalist meme.

The San Diego Sheriff’s Department issued a statement saying that when deputies “asked for the symbol to be removed, the man complied.” Investigators will “continue to look into the matter,” the statement added. “The Sheriff’s Department does not condone hate or acts of intolerance. We are a county that is welcoming of people from all backgrounds.”

Hart was asked not to return to the store, reported NBC 7 in San Diego.

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232. "these videos of protesters all in cops faces"
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https://twitter.com/SanaSaeed/status/1256861801951748097

aside from it being rich to see the bluelivesmatter respect authority crowd screaming at cops, and the obvious reason cops aren't using any force whatsoever...

the cops not wearing masks... you could damn near see spit flying in these videos.

obviously a good amount of cops are trumpsters and i'm sure there are plenty are on some "I'm just doing my job because the democrat mayor" etc..

on the other, cops are catching covid. last week i think 20% of the nypd was out sick

in a sane word, cops and firefighters would be out here telling these people to stfu but damn we're broken.

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235. "RE: these videos of protesters all in cops faces"
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this is my real problem with the protest. I agree they have the right to protest and to assemble, no qualms there. As a citizen, you have the right to question legislations and the government that implements those legislations when it comes to your existence as a citizen and as a human being.

However, why aren't African Americans or other minorities afforded that same right to protest without being harmed or penalized in some form or fashion? We are always instructed to fall in line and stop causing trouble when we stand up for our dogmas or beliefs. That is where the true bias exist.

And they should be wearing masks as they protest. If african americans were out protesting without wearing a mask, would they afford that same tolerance?

  

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234. "Trump Administration Models Predict Near Doubling of Daily Death Toll by..."
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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/04/us/coronavirus-updates.html

The Trump administration projects about 3,000 daily deaths by early June.

As President Trump presses for states to reopen their economies, his administration is privately projecting a steady rise in the number of cases and deaths from the coronavirus over the next several weeks, reaching about 3,000 daily deaths on June 1, according to an internal document obtained by The New York Times, nearly double from the current level of about 1,750.

The projections, based on government modeling pulled together in chart form by the Federal Emergency Management Agency, forecast about 200,000 new cases each day by the end of the month, up from about 25,000 cases now.

The numbers underscore a sobering reality: While the United States has been hunkered down for the past seven weeks, not much has changed. And the reopening to the economy will make matters worse.

“There remains a large number of counties whose burden continues to grow,” the Centers for Disease Control warned.

The projections confirm the primary fear of public health experts: that a reopening of the economy will put the nation right back where it was in mid-March, when cases were rising so rapidly in some parts of the country that patients were dying on gurneys in hospital hallways as the health care system grew overloaded.

(SWIPE STOPPED, but use the link above if you want to read it all.)

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236. "Basically a 9/11 a day"
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And this was preventable.

This administration WANTS this to happen.

  

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238. "How to win a second term? Kill off voters in urban areas"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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239. "This is kind of interesting..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUIgFMl_o00

it kind of falls in line with what I've been thinking that our perspective is changing real time. I think eventually we're going to come to a non-ventilator treatment eventually. What that is...I have NO idea, its just a really good solution for the time.

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240. "Wisdom from &quot; VIBRATE HEALING with Sarah???&quot;"
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Why would YOU have an opinion on what it could be??

This guy says it's "High Altitude Sickness" And for some reason he's one of the few doctors to see it - and the others are all wrong.



Is this guy a doctor, or does he jsut wear scrubs? Any info would be helpful.

EDIT: original video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6YEYfn2zw


Coudl he be right? I'm no doctor, I don't know.

Maybe this virus just fucks the lungs out so bad that no one know how to deal with it yet?

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244. "thanks for updating the link"
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>Why would YOU have an opinion on what it could be??
>
>This guy says it's "High Altitude Sickness" And for some
>reason he's one of the few doctors to see it - and the others
>are all wrong.
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>Is this guy a doctor, or does he jsut wear scrubs? Any info
>would be helpful.
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>EDIT: original video:
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6YEYfn2zw
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>Coudl he be right? I'm no doctor, I don't know.
>
>Maybe this virus just fucks the lungs out so bad that no one
>know how to deal with it yet?


I guess, this might make some sense if viewed in context.

My opinion just comes from watching our understanding of covid evolve.

At first it was ventilate no matter what - we need ventilators. And the response to the call was to source ventilators. In addition, the homebrew/hacker community started rigging up potential solutions while totally missing the mark on/about what ventilators do besides cycling air into and out of the lungs.

also, the big thing to look out for was fever and dry cough - but then the interesting part is most folks who need hospital care don't even have fevers.

Ventilators also potentially introduce a form of trauma (which is a known known and why the ventilator is not just a machine that pumps air into and out of the lungs - when in proper use it's riding a fine line).

Next to that, doctors have also been reporting that covid affected lungs are "tougher" in texture which can make ventilation difficult.

one other very interesting observation ER doctors have mentioned is how patients will go from 0 to 100 extremely quickly. Oxygen levels will drop to critical levels before the patient will even become aware of it at times.

So, hospitals started sending folks home with pulse oximeters with explicit instructions to come in if and when blood oxygen levels hit 93-90%.

I know this is a word salad. I'm obviously not a doctor, I'm interested in how treatment has evolved in real time.



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241. "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED "
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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-usa-task-force-idUSKBN22H2KJ

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navajo joe
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242. "Dr. Rick Bight's files whistleblower complaint"
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Told Trump in January and was ignored. Remember Trump WANTS Americans to die. It's not only been his long-standing fantasy, it's his path to keep in power.


My only goal in life is to live long enough to watch these people suffer

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navajo joe
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251. "Special Counsel determines sufficient grounds to believe retaliation"
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https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1258830278128209920

"Regardless if you listen to me, in the end we'll see."
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"You’ve had 4 years of Trump University and are still failing the final exam smh"
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Trinity444
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243. "are we gonna be to sick to vote? "
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I feel like, opening outside is a set up...

  

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Reeq
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245. "white supremacists discussed using virus as a bioweapon"
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to infect nonwhite people and law enforcement.

for people who thought this was just a conspiracy theory.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-white-supremacists-discussed-using-covid-19-as-bioweapon-2020-3

theres a tacit acknowledgment among white people (not just extremists) that theyre carriers less likely to die from the virus as nonwhite people (at this stage).

if you know anything about how white race survivalism (low white birth rates in the midst of a browning world) is driving conservative politics all across the globe (immigration, healthcare, social safety net, etc) then youve prolly already come to the conclusion that this is already built into some of the perspective (even if just subconcious) that conservatives view these shutdowns/reopenings through.

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248. "I've got a 4-count on Plandemic truthers so far as well"
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I know it's a different strain of mental virus but it's the same bullshit. The best thing I can say is that none of those 4 were people I respected prior to them falling down that hole anyway.


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navajo joe
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246. "Native American Health Center asked for supplies got body bags (swipe)"
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Wed May-06-20 07:20 AM by navajo joe

  

          

In another case of "Here's what they they think about you' (c) Ice Cube

They asked for tests and were just given body bags.

If there was any question that this administration is deliberately using crisis as an opportunity to redistribute wealth, close borders, and disenfranchise and kill 'undesirables' I hope that there is no longer any question.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/native-american-health-center-asked-covid-19-supplies-they-got-n1200246?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma

May 5, 2020, 5:56 PM EDT
By Erik Ortiz

Native American health center asked for COVID-19 supplies. It got body bags instead.
"Are we going to keep getting body bags or are we going to get what we actually need?" a Seattle Indian Health Board official asked.

In mid-March, as the Seattle region grappled with a coronavirus outbreak, a community health center caring for the area's Native American population made a pressing request to county, state and federal health agencies: Please send medical supplies.

What it received almost three weeks later left staff members stunned.

"My team turned ghost white," said Esther Lucero, chief executive officer of the Seattle Indian Health Board. "We asked for tests, and they sent us a box of body bags."

The health board's center — serving about 6,000 people a year in Seattle and King County — still has the package, which is filled with zippered white bags and beige tags that read "attach to toe."

Image: A box of body bags received by the Seattle Indian Health Board.A box of body bags received by the Seattle Indian Health Board.Seattle Indian Health Board
Lucero said the body bags were a mistaken — yet nonetheless macabre — delivery from a distributor via King County's Public Health Department.

Abigail Echo-Hawk, the health board's chief research officer, said she believes that the message it sends, even unintentionally, is resonating in Native American communities across the United States during the pandemic: There is a pressing lack of adequate resources and funding as promised.

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"The Navajo Nation is in a crisis with cases, and there are tribes and other Indian organizations across the country that are in similar crises and can use medical supplies and help instead of watching people die," Echo-Hawk said. "This is a metaphor for what's happening."

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Her concern comes as the federal government announced Tuesday that it will begin distributing billions of dollars in desperately needed pandemic-relief funds to Native American tribal governments, money that was delayed for more than a month in a related legal dispute.

While Seattle and Washington as a whole have managed to slow the spread of the coronavirus after being the nation's earliest hot spot at the beginning of March, Echo-Hawk said she's worried about whether the center will be able to perform the necessary coronavirus testing or secure enough personal protective equipment, or PPE, as businesses reopen and if a second wave of the virus crops up later this year, as health officials have warned.

"My questions is: Are we going to keep getting body bags or are we going to get what we actually need?" Echo-Hawk said.


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Research shared this month from Public Health — Seattle & King County suggests that social distancing efforts in the region have been effective, with the county's infection rate falling since early March, although the rate of infection among people of color is still four times that of whites.

The Seattle Indian Health Board is one of 41 urban health programs under the federal Indian Health Service, which provides health care access to about 2.5 million American Indians and Alaska Natives.

Lucero said receiving PPE or COVID-19 tests, and not body bags, back in March was critical while they were working to curb the spread of the virus. At the time, the Seattle Indian Health Board did not have the capacity to test, and although the Federal Emergency Management Agency did offer to provide testing for the center, the logistics involved didn't make the process feasible, Lucero said.

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After turning down FEMA's offer, the box of body bags inexplicably arrived, Lucero added. The health board did not have a contact at the county health department to ask about the shipment. Meanwhile, Lucero said, the county did help deliver about 200 COVID-19 test kits through FEMA.

She welcomed those tests because unlike the earlier ones, the health board was permitted to use their own lab to process the tests and communicate the results to patients directly.

Public Health — Seattle & King County on Tuesday could not immediately verify the health board's claims, but said it would look into them.

Image: Abigail Echo-Hawk, a Pawnee tribal member, is chief research officer for the Seattle Indian Health Board.Abigail Echo-Hawk, a Pawnee tribal member, is chief research officer for the Seattle Indian Health Board.Seattle Indian Health Board
While the Seattle Indian Health Board has the PPE and supplies it needs as of now, Echo-Hawk and Lucero said, they were disappointed in the lack of aid in those crucial, earlier weeks and have since relied on Native-owned business such as the retail brand Eighth Generation in Seattle for donations to adequately fill the void.

"We need to have the correct resources and be included at the state and federal level," Echo-Hawk said. "Until then, Native organizations like mine are going to push forward to create the resources needed for us and by us."

The Seattle Indian Health Board has previously received some federal funding, which has helped to set up an additional testing site and keep the center operating, Echo-Hawk said. But she added that the program could benefit further from funding set aside for tribes and federal Indian programs in the Coronavirus Aid, Relief and Economic Security Act, a $2 trillion stimulus package passed in March.

The U.S. government has an obligation to provide health care to all Native Americans as stipulated in longstanding treaties with Indian tribes.

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The Treasury and Interior departments announced the distribution Tuesday of $4.8 billion to tribal governments, divvied up based on their census figures. However, urban Indian programs are not part of this phase.

The stimulus money was expected to be released before the end of April, as mandated by the law, but a legal feud erupted when tribal governments denounced the idea that Alaska Native corporations, which a