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"Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
Fri May-23-03 04:24 AM by shockzilla

          

im sure some of yall must have seen it. thoughts?

  

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RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 12th 2003
1
Harry Knowles review
May 12th 2003
2
(censored) damn..
May 12th 2003
3
YOU FUCK!
May 13th 2003
4
let you avatar graphic be for buildingblock.
May 13th 2003
13
(censored)damn..
May 13th 2003
5
haha!
May 13th 2003
6
      FUCK!
May 13th 2003
10
Harry Knowles is an idiot - n/m
May 14th 2003
37
matrix 2 review *spoilers*
May 13th 2003
7
(censored)aww shit!
May 13th 2003
8
DAMN YOU! STOP IT!
May 13th 2003
9
for the first time ...
May 13th 2003
14
Another AICN review
May 13th 2003
11
.
May 13th 2003
12
fuck you MUTHASUCKAS!!!!
May 14th 2003
15
RE: I'm going tonight!!!!!!!
May 14th 2003
16
ebert review
May 14th 2003
17
whys he talkin about the amount of african americans
May 16th 2003
101
so, black people can't just be in a sci-fi movie
May 19th 2003
150
It's because
May 20th 2003
156
on the Blacks in the Movie
May 20th 2003
157
Just saw it
May 14th 2003
18
Sidenote:
May 14th 2003
19
      was there really a trailer for the third
May 14th 2003
20
      yes there was
May 14th 2003
24
      yeah-its short
May 15th 2003
59
      Agreed
May 14th 2003
32
Wow!!
May 14th 2003
21
Wed nite early showing. Go see this shit! (spoilers)
May 14th 2003
22
RE: Wed nite early showing. Go see this shit! (spoile
May 14th 2003
34
The cars were probably CGI, too n/m
May 15th 2003
72
BET.com swipe...
May 14th 2003
23
Post Modernity and Reloaded
May 14th 2003
25
One more thing
May 14th 2003
26
RE: Post Modernity and Reloaded
May 14th 2003
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      and your new sig
May 14th 2003
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      Ditto
May 15th 2003
46
whoooooooo000000ooo
May 14th 2003
29
freeway chase scene
May 14th 2003
31
The freeway scene....
May 16th 2003
99
Cosign
May 15th 2003
42
LMAO!
May 15th 2003
61
My Review *Spoiler free*
May 14th 2003
30
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 14th 2003
33
Too much bullet time...
May 14th 2003
35
disagree
May 15th 2003
76
You're right. (potential spoiler)
May 15th 2003
92
RE: Too much bullet time...
May 15th 2003
80
Cornel West
May 14th 2003
36
RE: Cornel West
May 16th 2003
113
Tom Hayes didn't care for it
May 14th 2003
38
i got word from my croonies
May 14th 2003
39
@@@@@ out of @@@@@
May 15th 2003
47
      you bugging...@@@ and1/2@
May 15th 2003
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           mind you
May 15th 2003
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RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 15th 2003
40
raised more questions...(major spoilers)
May 15th 2003
41
Ill try the second question...
May 15th 2003
45
help..i'm missing something...
May 15th 2003
67
My Answers
May 15th 2003
48
      which is why
May 15th 2003
49
           my dumbass left the theatre
May 15th 2003
66
Roy Jones Jr.
May 15th 2003
43
Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!
May 15th 2003
50
RE: Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!
May 16th 2003
110
Some people should of been boxin
May 15th 2003
93
      He only had a hand full of lines
May 16th 2003
105
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 15th 2003
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RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 16th 2003
103
Monica Belluci and Lambert Wilson
May 15th 2003
51
definately
May 15th 2003
53
RE: Monica Belluci and Lambert Wilson
May 15th 2003
54
OK, don't want to ruin it(so no spoilers)
May 15th 2003
55
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 15th 2003
56
yes
May 15th 2003
58
      i thought dude at the end *spoiler*
May 15th 2003
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           he is the same dude *spoiler*
May 15th 2003
65
A Plus *possible spoilers*
May 15th 2003
57
The first 45 minutes of TMR
May 15th 2003
60
RE: Great movie
May 15th 2003
63
oh my god
May 15th 2003
68
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 15th 2003
69
I MUST SAY, I WANT SOME CHOCOLATE CAKE
May 15th 2003
70
Fuckin Horrible
May 15th 2003
71
RE: I MUST SAY, I WANT SOME CHOCOLATE CAKE
May 15th 2003
75
zion is part of the matrix
May 15th 2003
73
thats a given
May 15th 2003
74
      ithe dance scene
May 15th 2003
79
      how so? *spoiler*
May 19th 2003
152
all things considered
May 15th 2003
77
I thought that was
May 15th 2003
81
didnt he say 6 prior?
May 15th 2003
89
      I guess the screens were just for effect...?
May 16th 2003
98
           nothing in the matrix is just for effect
May 16th 2003
100
                VERY astute observation!
May 16th 2003
102
RE: all things considered
May 19th 2003
142
name the video games reloaded ripped off
May 15th 2003
78
Grand Theft Auto 3
May 15th 2003
83
Matrix had been in production for awhile
May 15th 2003
84
      it's all in good fun
May 15th 2003
85
very disapointing
May 15th 2003
82
And on top of that - Zion sucked
May 15th 2003
87
Yo i laughed my ass off
May 15th 2003
86
He closed the door like Neo and Morpheus just came back
May 23rd 2003
165
Harry Knowles re-analysis (interesting)
May 15th 2003
88
for anyone upset
May 15th 2003
90
RE: for anyone upset
May 15th 2003
94
that passes as plot?
May 15th 2003
95
I could have done without the 7-minute fuck scene
May 15th 2003
91
far-fetched?
May 19th 2003
139
maybe i'm reading too much into it...
May 19th 2003
143
Cereffusion's Take:
May 15th 2003
96
RE: Cereffusion's Take:
May 16th 2003
97
'Matrix Reloaded' Sets Opening Day Record
May 16th 2003
104
i apologize in advance to avid matrix fans
May 16th 2003
106
hmmm...?
May 16th 2003
108
did you also get a headache after?
May 16th 2003
109
      no...
May 16th 2003
112
      RE: did you also get a headache after?
May 16th 2003
116
RE: i apologize in advance to avid matrix fans
May 16th 2003
117
cosign
May 16th 2003
118
yeah it was making excuses
May 16th 2003
120
      boring?
May 16th 2003
121
           they went through most of the TMNT arsenal
May 17th 2003
128
           big deal
May 18th 2003
134
My Review no spoilers not much to say
May 16th 2003
107
wow did this movie suck
May 16th 2003
111
you could miss the first half
May 16th 2003
119
I want a piece of that cake
May 16th 2003
114
Mr. ANderson!!!
May 18th 2003
131
the keymaker was great.
May 16th 2003
115
that was probably
May 18th 2003
132
the keymaker was the SHIT!!!
May 19th 2003
141
People are missing the Point
May 17th 2003
122
It's still its own movie
May 17th 2003
123
F the point, I want to see a good movie
May 19th 2003
153
It SURE was alotta black people in the Matrix.
May 17th 2003
124
Majority of the white people are in space.
May 17th 2003
125
      yeah man. Zion.
May 20th 2003
162
Revolutions Trailer Right Here
May 17th 2003
126
RE: Revolutions Trailer Right Here
May 17th 2003
127
THIS MOVIE IS TERRRRRRRIBLE!!!!!!!!!
May 18th 2003
129
agreed ..
May 18th 2003
130
Whoa...Jar Jar was the pioneer
May 18th 2003
133
finally an adult movie!!
May 18th 2003
135
i saw it
May 18th 2003
136
RE: i saw it
May 19th 2003
137
they need to make some of octavia butler's books
May 19th 2003
144
      hollywood IS NOT ready for Octavia Butler, ok?
May 19th 2003
146
it was...
May 19th 2003
138
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 19th 2003
140
it was a great 2.5 hour trailer for matrix: revloutions
May 19th 2003
145
I Thought Foster Died Before Filming?
May 19th 2003
147
      dude who played tank is suing the matrix people
May 19th 2003
151
Garbage
May 19th 2003
148
And another thing
May 19th 2003
149
      RE: And another thing
May 19th 2003
154
           holy fuck
May 20th 2003
158
                The first one wasn't stupid
May 21st 2003
164
Another thing I liked...
May 19th 2003
155
woah...
May 20th 2003
159
*Smile*
May 20th 2003
160
along similar lines.
May 21st 2003
163
RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
May 20th 2003
161
An Abortion of a Movie
May 24th 2003
166

shockzilla
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1. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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i anchored this post to avoid multiplicity

please post *all* matrix 2 reviews et al here

if you include spoilers, please give plenty of warning-- and definitely NO spoilers in your subject headings

thank you

shock



  

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2. "Harry Knowles review"
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3. "(censored) damn.."
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what's the point of a matrix 3 then?

...a child is born with no state of mind, blind to the ways of mankind, god is smilin' on you and frownin' too, because only god knows what you gonna do...©melle mel

  

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4. "YOU FUCK!"
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13. "let you avatar graphic be for buildingblock."
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5. "(censored)damn.."
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Damn like thanks!

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6. "haha!"
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motherfucker.

  

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37. "Harry Knowles is an idiot - n/m"
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7. "matrix 2 review *spoilers*"
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from...

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NEILL CUMPSTON IS THE FIRST PERSON ON THE PLANET TO REVIEW MATRIX RELOADED!! HOLD ONTO YOUR SACK!!
Hey, everyone. "Moriarty" here with some Rumblings From The Lab.
It is an honor and a privilege to present the first review anywhere for THE MATRIX RELOADED, a pleasure that is compounded only by the karmically-perfect concept that it is none other than Neill Cumpston who has seen it first.
For those of you not familiar with the Noel Coward-like urbane wit of Mr. Cumpston, you should read his BLADE 2 or X-MEN 2 reviews.
And buckle up. This is a pretty wild ride.
MATRIX: KINGDOM OF ASS-KICKING
Jim-Jammity Jesus Krispy Kreme Christ on a twat-rocket, this movie blew me apart and put me back together only after I’d got put back I felt like I had thirteen dicks and they’d all gotten blown by a surfer chick with 26 heads (2 mouths on each cock). I will see it ten times and if I see Star Wars George or that gay Batman director butt-hole any time during the ten screenings here comes Mr. Punch.

This is the sequel to the MATRIX Movie that came out four years ago and after seeing it I can say I could have waited another four years it is that fucking good. This movie is a pillowcase with soda cans inside that beats the living mule-fuck out of you but you’re all like, “Bring it on honky tonk” because the beating feels like summer and Halloween and Cheetos at the same time. This movie is Mad Max’s shotgun-gun from ROAD WARRIOR, only it shoots ass-kicking only at jocks. This movie is tits!

WARNING: THIS PARAGRAPH IS ABOUT THE PLOT AND IT’S BORING AND THERE’S NO ASS-KICKING IN IT BUT I USE THE WORD “FUCK” THREE TIMES TO HELP GET THROUGH IT
I still don’t get the plot of the first one, and this one’s all talking about “choices” (over and over again to where you think you’re watching that fucking Chicktime network) and “prophecies” and especially words like “anomaly” and “exile” (and who the fuck even knows what those words mean?) and there’s this long speech at the end that I also didn’t get. Also, you find out all this deep stuff, like about The Cookie Lady from the first movie and they introduce all these other characters like a Key Guy and a Frenchie Dude and another Frenchie but guess what it’s okay ‘cuz the other Frenchie’s a chick and she’s got cleavage you could hide a rump roast in and also this ex-girlfriend of Murphus and there’s this new guy on the ship flying it around, I think he’s from OZ (don’t worry, no butt rape). And Neo and Memento Babe are all PDA every second, and they also “do it” and one time I thought I saw Memento Babe’s nip but it was one of those metal ring things that everyone’s got on ‘em so no jacking off when the DVD comes out.

NOW ALL ASS-KICKING UNTIL THE END
So that’s the plot but here’s the thing: you could wear headphones and listen to Dio during this whole movie and you wouldn’t miss anything, there’s so much ass-kicking going on. That Smith Dude is back, only now he can make more Smith Dudes and do they each know how to kick ass? Like a Heroclix collector knows how to not get pussy. Plus he’s got this other ability that’s really fucking scary and I think it might have something to do with the next movie.

ASS-KICKING #1: Neo fights those Blues Brothers-looking dudes and it’s pretty fucking cool. But it’s just a teaser, like when they have pictures of the food at Jack in the Box, and the tacos look all good in the picture, but then you get some and they look like they got pooped out of a pig. But you eat ‘em because there’s fries coming. In this movie there’s ALWAYS fries coming. 6.

HEADS UP: There’s a lot of boring stuff between Ass-Kicking 1 and 2. There’s a sermon by the dude who was in OMEGA MAN, and this underground dance thing that looks like if Pottery Barn had a rave on the Planet of the Gay Apes – but the rave thing is where Neo and Memento Babe “do it”. I am bringing my headphones when I see this again on the 15th.

ASS-KICKING #2: Neo and a Kung Fu Phooey go at it in a picnic restaurant. They kick over a big thing of chopsticks, which is kind of cool, and Kung Fu Phooey wears these cool little sunglasses, but that’s it. 5. And then Neo and Cookie Lady talk. Then chiggity-check your rectum ‘cuz here comes:

ASS-KICKING #2: This fight on a playground where like a hundred Smith Dudes are whomping on Neo like a fat girl eating Fiddle Faddle – it’s that intense. Holy shit. The thing goes on for like five minutes and just when you’re thinking, “Fuck you Star Wars George” it goes on for another five minutes and then Neo flies away like that Greatest American Hero dude. 10.

ASS-KICKING #3: Neo, Murphus and Memento Babe go to a French restaurant in the Matrix and there’s this French dick and you’re thinking, “Fuck you for not supporting us against Egypt”, and then Neo goes whomp-ass happy on the dude’s cohorts while Murphus and Trinity free this Key Dude and fight these Edgar Winter guys with dreadlocks who can turn into ghosts. 8.

HERE’S WHERE I WISH THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ONLY HAD THE WORDS “HOLY” “FUCKING” AND “SHIT”
ASS-KICKING #4 – 28: That’s right, this next scene feels like 24 ass-kickings. Seriously, the rest of the summer is going to suck busboy cock for ketchup packets compared to this scene.

HOLY
Murphus and Memento Babe have to escape on a huge freeway (which is a no-no in the Matrix; “It’s suicide!” says Memento Babe, or something like that I can’t remember for sure) while the Ghost Guys chase them, plus the Smiths, who keep taking over the drivers on the freeway and they’re shooting and everything’s blowing up for miles and

FUCKING
Memento Babe has to go against the traffic on a fucking motorcycle and they keep trying to smash her and Murphus takes out the Ghost Guys in this totally cool way and the fucking samurai sword and the head-on crash and

!!!SHIT!!!
the fucking Blues Brothers guys and razors and swordfight on top of a truck and Memento Babe flying through the air and out of nowhere Neo and I am out!!of!!cum!! 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10 10

And there’s a whole other ass-kicking after this, which I can barely remember because, seriously, that fucking chase scene. It’s now #2 on my list of all-time chases, ahead of ARK RAIDERS, where Blade Runner gets dragged behind the Nazi truck (#5), and then DYING IN LOS ANGELES, where CSI is driving the car against the traffic (#4) and then TAXI RONIN, where Taxi Driver guy goes the wrong way down that French tunnel, and also because they keep running over French people (#3), and now MATRIX, right behind BANDIT AND THE FAT GAY GUY 2, where all the police cars and all the trucks play chicken out in the desert (#1).

Neo needs to fight Blade and that fat bald guy from STIR CRAZY.

Then Murphus and Neo and Memento Babe try to raid some sort of central something, like the CPU in TRON, something like that. Smith Dude re-appears, Neo has a talk with a new character, someone dies and someone’s reborn. Then something gets destroyed (good), something else gets destroyed (bad), and Neo discovers a new power. Then something BIG gets destroyed (really really bad), and someone lives who shouldn’t.

MY HINT: Stay through the credits and you get to see a trailer for MATRIX: YOU WILL SHIT, the third movie.

That’s it. Best movie of the year. I still want to see HULK-MAN and the werewolf thing and I think there’s something where you get to see a hot Asian’s boobs, but they’re not going to get close to this one. Here’s my blurb if they’re putting blurbs in ads:

“MATRIX: KINGDOM OF ASS-KICKING is like if all of Anthrax’s albums formed into a hot chick who had to fuck you ten times a day or she gets pee-cancer.”
Neill Cumpston

  

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8. "(censored)aww shit!"
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what the hell is the use of seein' matrix 3 for then?

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9. "DAMN YOU! STOP IT!"
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I ACTUALLY WANT TO KILL.

that reviewer just drunk-stumbled over, snapped and then threw up all over my last nerve!


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11. "Another AICN review"
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15. "fuck you MUTHASUCKAS!!!!"
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16. "RE: I'm going tonight!!!!!!!"
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THE MATRIX RELOADED / ***1/2 (R)

May 14, 2003






Neo Keanu Reeves
Morpheus Laurence Fishburne
Agent Smith Hugo Weaving
Trinity Carrie-Anne Moss
Oracle Gloria Foster
Niobe Jada Pinkett Smith
Zee Nona Gaye
Lock Harry Lennix
Link Harold Perrineau
Persephone Monica Bellucci
Twins Neil and Adrian Rayment



Warner Bros. presents a film written and directed by Andy Wachowski and Larry Wachowski. Running time: 138 minutes. Rated R (for sci-fi violence and some sexuality).


BY ROGER EBERT



Commander Lock: "Not everyone believes what you believe."

Morpheus: "My beliefs do not require that they do."

Characters are always talking like this in "The Matrix Reloaded," which plays like a collaboration involving a geek, a comic book and the smartest kid in Philosophy 101. Morpheus in particular unreels extended speeches that remind me of Laurence Olivier's remarks when he won his honorary Oscar--the speech that had Jon Voight going "God!" on TV, but in print turned out to be quasi-Shakespearean doublespeak. The speeches provide not meaning, but the effect of meaning: It sure sounds like those guys are saying some profound things.

That will not prevent fanboys from analyzing the philosophy of "The Matrix Reloaded" in endless Web postings. Part of the fun is becoming an expert in the deep meaning of shallow pop mythology; there is something refreshingly ironic about becoming an authority on the transient extrusions of mass culture, and Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) now joins Obi-Wan Kenobi as the Plato of our age.

I say this not in disapproval, but in amusement. "The Matrix" (1999), written and directed by the brothers Andy and Larry Wachowski, inspired so much inflamed pseudo-philosophy that it's all "The Matrix Reloaded" can do to stay ahead of its followers. It is an immensely skillful sci-fi adventure, combining the usual elements: heroes and villains, special effects and stunts, chases and explosions, romance and oratory. It develops its world with more detail than the first movie was able to afford, gives us our first glimpse of the underground human city of Zion, burrows closer to the heart of the secret of the Matrix, and promotes its hero, Neo, from confused draftee to a Christ figure in training.

As we learned in "The Matrix," the Machines need human bodies, millions and millions of them, for their ability to generate electricity. In an astonishing sequence, we saw countless bodies locked in pods around central cores that extended out of sight above and below. The Matrix is the virtual reality that provides the minds of these sleepers with the illusion that they are active and productive. Questions arise, such as, is there no more efficient way to generate power? And why give the humans dreams when they would generate just as much energy if comatose? And why create such a complex virtual world for each and every one of them, when they could all be given the same illusion and be none the wiser? Why is each dreamer himself or herself, occupying the same body in virtual reality as the one asleep in the pod?

But never mind. We are grateful that 250,000 humans have escaped from the grid of the Matrix, and gathered to build Zion, which is "near the Earth's core--where there is more heat." As the movie opens, we are alarmed to learn that the Machines are drilling toward Zion so quickly that they will arrive in 36 hours. We may also wonder if Zion and its free citizens really exist, or if the humans only think so, but that leads to a logical loop ending in madness.

Neo (Keanu Reeves) is required during this film to fly, to master martial arts, and to learn that his faith and belief can make things happen. His fights all take place within virtual reality spaces, while he reclines in a chair and is linked to the cyberworld, but he can really be killed, because if the mind thinks it is dead, "the body is controlled by the mind." All of the fight sequences, therefore, are logically contests not between physical bodies, but between video game-players, and the Neo in the big fight scenes is actually his avatar.

The visionary Morpheus, inspired by the prophecies of the Oracle, instructs Neo--who eventually gains the confidence to leap great distances, to fly and to destroy dozens of clones of Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving) in martial combat. That fight scene is made with the wonders of digital effects and the choreography of the Hong Kong action director Yuen Wo Ping, who also did the fights in "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon." It provides one of the three great set pieces in the movie.

The second comes when Morpheus returns to Zion and addresses the assembled multitude--an audience that looks like a mosh pit crossed with the underground slaves in "Metropolis." After his speech, the citizens dance in a percussion-driven frenzy, which is intercut with Neo and Trinity (Carrie-Anne Moss) having sex. I think their real bodies are having the sex, although you can never be sure.

The third sensational sequence is a chase involving cars, motorcycles and trailer trucks, with gloriously choreographed moves including leaps into the air as a truck continues to move underneath. That this scene logically takes place in cyberspace does not diminish its thrilling 14-minute fun ride, although we might wonder--when deadly enemies meet in one of these virtual spaces, who programmed it? (I am sure I will get untold thousands of e-mails explaining it all to me.)

I became aware, during the film, that a majority of the major characters were played by African Americans. Neo and Trinity are white, and so is Agent Smith, but consider Morpheus; his superior Commander Lock (Harry Lennix); the beautiful and deadly Niobe (Jada Pinkett Smith), who once loved Morpheus and now is with Lock, although she explains enigmatically that some things never change; the programmer Link (Harold Perrineau); Link's wife, Zee (Nona Gaye), who has the obligatory scene where she complains he's away from home too much, and the Oracle (the late Gloria Foster, very portentous). From what we can see of the extras, the population of Zion is largely black.

It has become commonplace for science fiction epics to feature one or two African-American stars, but we've come a long way since Billy Dee Williams in "Return of the Jedi." The Wachowski brothers use so many African Americans, I suspect, not for their box-office appeal, because the Matrix is the star of the movie, and not because they are good actors (which they are), but because to the white teenagers who are the primary audience for this movie, African-Americans embody a cool, a cachet, an authenticy. Morpheus is the power center of the movie, and Neo's role is essentially to study under him and absorb his mojo.

The film ends with "To Be Concluded," a reminder that the third film in the trilogy arrives in November. Toward the end, there are scenes involving characters who seem pregnant with possibilities for Part 3. One is the Architect (Helmut Bakaltis), who says he designed the Matrix and revises everything Neo thinks he knows about it. Is the Architect a human, or an avatar of the Machines? The thing is, you can never know for sure. He seems to hint that when you strip away one level of false virtual reality, you find another level beneath. Maybe everything so far is several levels up?

Stephen Hawking's A Brief History of Time tells the story of a cosmologist whose speech is interrupted by a little old lady who informs him that the universe rests on the back of a turtle. "Ah, yes, madame," the scientist replies, "but what does the turtle rest on?" The old lady shoots back: "You can't trick me, young man. It's nothing but turtles, turtles, turtles, all the way down."



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101. "whys he talkin about the amount of african americans"
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should be talkin about the amount of whites in all other films

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150. "so, black people can't just be in a sci-fi movie"
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because the world as it is right now is dominated, population-wise anyways, by peoples of color, and realistically, the future will be as well?

i thought ebert was the cool one because of his black wife and all.

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156. "It's because"
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of his black wife that he said that. I don't think the statement was meant to degrade or belittle by any means. I think the statement does in fact have some validity. Besides in the movie the ONLY white people that would exist would be the ones who were apart of the matrix and any born in zion would certainly be subject to years of intermixing.

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157. "on the Blacks in the Movie"
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The Brothers went to a majority Black High School here in Chicago and had a LOT of Black friends growing up. Also, the name of the place IS Zion...

I heard that they initially wanted Will Smith to play the Neo role, but he turned it down for Wild Wild West...

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18. "Just saw it"
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It had its moments. The Smith battle is definitely cool, although some CGI parts are SO obvious. Playstation-esque looking Neo. The choreography is nice tho.

The Zion shit is fucking horrible. HORRIBLE. This shit is like a bad Episode II flashback. Pointless. I can't reinforce how much this part sucked - not b/c it had no action, but b/c there were a lot of words spoken and no point. The rave shit was also one of the lower points in recent memory.

After that the movie moves quite well and I got into it. Oracle was great as usual. The love angle gets old though, especially when EVERYONE has some triangle going on.

What's his face who pilots the ship has some funny one-liners, and he did his job well.

People hate "to be continued", but I didn't mind it. I mean, I knew going in that there was a final movie so I wasn't flipping out. They could've wrapped it up a little better, but it's not so far off from how Empire Strikes Back ended.

Overall, pretty good for a sequel and I'll be ready to see Revolutions in several months.

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Monica Belluci was straight KILLIN IT in that dress. Holy shit. 10+. She is fucking amazing for like 35 years old. Whoever designed that needs a Nobel Prize or something.

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20. "was there really a trailer for the third"
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at the end? i kinda hauled ass out of the theater...

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that shit looks...

whoa.

one things for sure..there will be no matrix 4's.

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And if my face is worth a thousand words when it's scarred
I would only hope that two of those are coco and butta
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>Monica Belluci was straight KILLIN IT in that dress. Holy
>shit. 10+. She is fucking amazing for like 35 years old.
>Whoever designed that needs a Nobel Prize or something.




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21. "Wow!!"
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First movie I've been to where the crowd sat in awe at the end of the show. Pure silence.

That movie was amazing.

  

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22. "Wed nite early showing. Go see this shit! (spoilers)"
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The sheer amout of ass kicking that goes on in this movie puts all other movies containing ass kicking to shame. You all will be able to read play by plays from other okps so I'll just give my opinions of this movie.

I imagined Zion being different from the movie, but it's not my call. I think the cave rave was unnecessary, and I didn't get
the Neo/Architect convo completely. I think the point was that they're still in the Matrix even when they think they're in the real world, but I could be wrong.

The cgi was pretty good considering how much of it there was. I guess it was necessary. The only thing that outshined the fight scenes and choreography was the vehicle portions. God only knows how many cars and trucks were destroyed in this movie but it was amazing to see.

I don't get too hype during movies, but this shit was too good not to get hype about. I am planning to see this again next week. holla

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34. "RE: Wed nite early showing. Go see this shit! (spoile"
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>I imagined Zion being different from the movie, but it's not
>my call. I think the cave rave was unnecessary, and I
>didn't get
>the Neo/Architect convo completely. I think the point was
>that they're still in the Matrix even when they think
>they're in the real world, but I could be wrong.

Since only 99.9% of the "coppertop slaves" accept The Matrix, something had to be put in place to neutralize the .1% of people who don't accept it. Therefore, "Colonel Sanders AKA The Architect" programmed a way to rally those who don't accept it to follow a wild goose chase to prevent them from destroying The Matrix. This is where The One comes in, he is a cog put in place by The Architect to lead these people along the wrong path. Meanwhile, The Architect puts forth a plan to destroy Zion, which is in effect an indirect creation by The Architect, because once Zion is destroyed, The One gathers "coppertops" once again to help rebuild it, and the cycle begins again. Notice that The Architect says that there were 5 that came before Neo, he's talking about previous "The Ones".





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"Reloaded": YOU ARE NOT READY!
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Posted May 15, 2003 -- Except for Will Smith who's done it three times (with some help), saving the world has mainly been the White man's burden. At least that's what movies tell us (history may say something else), hence countless Bruce Willis, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Harrison Ford films showing them as earth's savior. In 1999, Keanu Reeves stepped into that role-playing Neo, a modern "slave" rescued by Morpheus from the most elaborate and evil hoax ever created in the genre-defining hit "The Matrix."

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Four years later and "The Matrix" has been "Reloaded." Actually, it's been upgraded as the sequel expands the first film's relatively small story into a lengthy, but very satisfying epic filled with more kung fu and special effects than should be humanly possible. Fans should be happy as it not only ups the ante for thrills, but for all you philosophy fans out there, "Reloaded" digs deeper into the true nature of Neo's heroism and seriously ponders the existence of human choice - a tall order for bombastic summer fun.

But before I get to the story, I have to give it up to the directors, Andy and Larry Wachowski, for recognizing that the world, unlike the Manhattan shown on "Friends" and Woody Allen movies, is not lily-white landscape. Other science-fiction flicks have made half-hearted attempts at diversity with token characters, but only "Reloaded" has the smarts for knowing that adding Jada Pinkett-Smith, Harry J. Lennix, Nona Gaye, Harrold Perrineau, Jr., Roy Jones, Jr. (Yes, that Roy Jones, Jr.) and even Cornel West to the cast won't turn away White audiences. Add in the returning Fishburne and Gloria Foster as the Oracle and "Reloaded" could win a NAACP Image Award. (For those looking for the return of Tank, stop.)

But herein lies a double-edged sword. American hero narratives often get a bad rep for NOT including Black folks, but when they do they follow the typical storyline of "White man as savior for the helpless Black masses." Short of making a Black man the hero (there's a novel concept), the Wachowskis have been smart about how to portray their Caucasian savior. Despite Morpheus' prophecy, Neo doesn't feel he can save the world alone and not only wants the help of his comrades but needs it as the machines who have enslaved humanity have begun drilling into the earth in order to find and destroy the last city of free men - Zion. Not to mention no one here seems helpless.

"Reloaded" actually starts fairly slow as it, like many sci-fi sequels, reaches for more epic proportions. In Zion, we not only see how the free people live but we see that everyone does not dig Morpheus' prophetic ravings about "The One." Namely, it's his boss, Captain Lock (Lennix), who feels the stakes are too high to pin all of humanity's hopes on Morpheus' gut. In truth, Lock is sipping from a Slurpie-sized cup of haterade seeing how Morpheus used to date his new squeeze, Niobe (Smith). Though played tough, Niobe is thankfully not the sassy caricature you'd expect.

Meanwhile, Neo and girlfriend and comrade-in-leather Trinity (Carrie Ann-Moss) have their own love thing going on shown in detail in an unprecedented love/dance scene. As the two get busy, Zion parties like its 1999 in preparation for the coming war. The scene either works for you or not -- it worked for me. All is not well with Neo though. He has nightmares of Trinity's death, only adding to Neo's nagging doubt about him saving the world. Sure he can fly now and kick ass like nobody's business, but what kind of digital messiah can't save his own girlfriend?

It's Neo's doubt that actually keeps "Reloaded" interesting. At the end of the first film, Neo finally begins believing that he is "the one" as we watch him fly INTO evil Agent Smith (Hugo Weaving) and make him go boom! So, if Neo is the savior, what's the point of two more films? Exactly.

Personally, I didn't want to see a sequel as the first film ends with the obvious conclusion - Neo can and will free humanity and kill the machines. While it might have made for an interesting 20 minutes, watching Neo bend the matrix to his will and kill agents without moving does not sound like a good movie. "Reloaded" knows that without adversity there is no struggle and thus no fun. Why else would the Wachowskis throw 100 Agent Smiths at him in a jaw-dropping fight sequence? Why else threaten the life of Trinity? To keep him human and therefore interesting. Look at it this way -- Jesus figured he was the son of God at age 12, but for all his water-walking miracles he didn't save humanity until he was 33, so let's give Neo a break, huh?

But let's say you don't care about all the high-falutin' philosophy talk or the religious undertones. Well, like "Star Wars Episode 2," I'd say keep watching for the last reel when you'll be privy to, and this is no hyperbole, the best car chase/fight sequence ever committed to screen. Morpheus, Trinity, Neo, Niobe -- everybody gets their thing off in a sequence that should win an Oscar on cool points.

And if, for some reason, you're still not satisfied with "Reloaded," make sure to sit through the ending credits for a peek at "Matrix Revolutions



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Forget the pseudo-philosophical and religious overtones for a moment and consider that the Wachowskis call their project a quest for the "global domination of popular culture". These guys know their audience well, as well as popular culture that is so receptive to what they have to sell as far as The Matrix movies are concerned.

It's late and I am just getting back from seeing Reloaded. All throughout this movie, I was reminded of a college class on art and culture, esp. a book, "The Condition of Post Modernity" by David Harvey. Before I continue I have to say I enjoyed the movie thoroughly but more for what it was not able to explain than for what it tried to explain. Postmodernism is a "mirror of mirrors", so illustrated (spoiler) when Neo faced the Architect in the room full of them.

Some who have seen this movie saw no place for love. The first movie was about action, activism, etc. and this second one is about survival, hope, transcendence and love. I can't imagine what the third could be but as with all cycles there is resolution near the end and the birth of something new...just like this Matrix trilogy.

Go see the movie...

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The Matrix (all movies) is a collage much like postmodernism, a juxtaposition and layering of all kinds of ideas and concepts that can be fun and educational and sometimes confusing. It's not supposed to provide answers but help people explore possibilities.

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27. "RE: Post Modernity and Reloaded"
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>Forget the pseudo-philosophical and religious overtones for
>a moment

very hard to do...damn near impossible for the religious minded...myself included...

and consider that the Wachowskis call their project
>a quest for the "global domination of popular culture".
>These guys know their audience well, as well as popular
>culture that is so receptive to what they have to sell as
>far as The Matrix movies are concerned.

thats really wierd, because as i was sitting there waiting for the movie to come on, *and* contemplating buying the video game tomorrow (as if i'll ever find the time to play it)...i thought about just how much the matrix has me 'in the matrix'...i havent brought a video game in ages...and this would only be a reactionary purchase of which there would be tons of cognitive dissonence, but yet i still havent convinced myself not to buy it...

>
>It's late and I am just getting back from seeing Reloaded.
>All throughout this movie, I was reminded of a college class
>on art and culture, esp. a book, "The Condition of Post
>Modernity" by David Harvey. Before I continue I have to say
>I enjoyed the movie thoroughly but more for what it was not
>able to explain than for what it tried to explain.

very nicely put..another thought that ran through my head..'why are they trying to explain so much...let me interpret it!'..lol


>Postmodernism is a "mirror of mirrors", so illustrated
>(spoiler) when Neo faced the Architect in the room full of
>them.
>
>Some who have seen this movie saw no place for love. The
>first movie was about action, activism, etc. and this second
>one is about survival, hope, transcendence and love. I
>can't imagine what the third could be but as with all cycles
>there is resolution near the end and the birth of something
>new...just like this Matrix trilogy.

u should have stayed for the preview...it would have given you an idea...just think..darknesss..

>
>Go see the movie...

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>>Forget the pseudo-philosophical and religious overtones for
>>a moment
>
>very hard to do...damn near impossible for the religious
>minded...myself included...

Me, too, but I don't want get so caught up in a movie that I forget that it's someone else's point of view.

>thats really wierd, because as i was sitting there waiting
>for the movie to come on, *and* contemplating buying the
>video game tomorrow (as if i'll ever find the time to play
>it)...i thought about just how much the matrix has me 'in
>the matrix'...i havent brought a video game in ages...and
>this would only be a reactionary purchase of which there
>would be tons of cognitive dissonence, but yet i still
>havent convinced myself not to buy it...

I don't play videogames at home, at all. I will probably go over my friend's house to play it one day.

>very nicely put..another thought that ran through my
>head..'why are they trying to explain so much...let me
>interpret it!'..lol

>u should have stayed for the preview...it would have given
>you an idea...just think..darknesss..
>
>>
>>Go see the movie...
>
>again and again...

I will see the preview when it's not so late and I see it one of the next 2 times!

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29. "whoooooooo000000ooo"
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EDIT: oh yeah this contains minor spoilers, I guess. Very minor.

Wow, what a sensory overload.. I need some time to digest that.

Lincoln Square, 10PM. The crowd was a lot less geeky then the ones at Star Wars or LOTR.. a surprising number of people who look like they might possibly not be virgins. Got there at 8PM, at which point the line already stretched from Broadway to Columbus.

They let us in about 8:45 and the mad dash for seats began. Two opposing camps of dorky middle-aged guys got into a heated battle over one row.. one guy said "listen, I'm an attorney, and I can assure you the theater's policy would not allow this.." and the other guy triumphantly cut him off with "Well I'm an attorney too!"

After everyone settled down, finally the curtain rose up..and we watched about 5 commercials, which were heartily booed. Then the trailers.. Charlie's Angels 2 (looked alright), Jason vs. Freddy (the crowd went nuts), T3 (actually looked good in these clips), and some Tom Cruise samurai movie that got clowned.

Then finally, the movie. As mentioned in most of the negative reviews, they explain the workings of the Matrix in much more detail than the first. This entails a lot of portentous yapping and philosophizing, which sometimes slows the pace to a crawl.

Lawrence Fishburne somehow manages to make Morpheus even more pompous than before, and his speech to the people of Zion is especially comical. I kept expecting him to break into Cyrus' speech from The Warriors (Can you dig it? Caaan youuu diiiig iiiit?) The rave/sex-scene montage that follows is a complete waste of time, and I'm pretty sure it was pieced together with unused footage from the Britney Spears "Slave" video.

But none of this was surprising, actually I expected worse after reading the reviews. The flaws were obvious but easily tolerable, because I came to see phenomenal action and visuals, and on that level this movie delivered like a motherf***er.

The freeway chase scene was ridiculous. The much hyped "burly brawl" was mind-blowing.. yeah the CGI was pretty obvious at times but it didn't detract from it, for me. The movie is packed with so many gorgeously crafted scenes, it was impossible to absorb it all in one sitting. I wanted to rewind every scene and watch it again in slow motion.

The cast was pretty solid.. Keanu was his lovably dopey self once again, Hugo Weaving kicks even more ass than last time as Agent Smith, and Harold Perrineau is a great addition to the crew. Jada is cool but it seems like they are saving her good stuff for the third chapter, along with several other cool characters that are introduced briefly. Once again there are an astonishing number of people of color, for a sci-fi movie. This had more Black characters than most films that are marketed as "Black movies".

Be warned about two things: 1) It ends very abruptly, no resolution whatsoever. 2) Yes, there is a short trailer for the third movie, after the credits end. Surprisingly, the next installment seems to involve a lot of people floating around in slow motion while shooting and/or kicking at each other.

For real though, that was easily the most fun I've had at the movies this year. I'm still coming down from the adrenaline rush.

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31. "freeway chase scene"
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im ranking it up there with the shootout scene from heat and the ronin car chase.

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99. "The freeway scene...."
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knocks both of those out the box, IMO...


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42. "Cosign"
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>and Harold Perrineau is a great addition to
>the crew.

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61. "LMAO!"
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>Two opposing camps of dorky middle-aged guys got into a
>heated battle over one row.. one guy said "listen, I'm an
>attorney, and I can assure you the theater's policy would
>not allow this.." and the other guy triumphantly cut him off
>with "Well I'm an attorney too!"

that alone would have been worth the price of the ticket ... talk about the workings of the Matrix ...

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30. "My Review *Spoiler free*"
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Tbe honest, nobody really can't spoil this movie all things considered, because alot of shit went down that can't easily be explained in a sentence or two(or even in one movie apparently). Ideally, I wouldn't trust any review(even mine) cause its the kind of movie you have to watch and decide for yourself.

Overall I give it 3 stars out of 4. It's a good, but not great movie. But even with its flaws, the world of the Matrix is just so goddamned cool that given the chance to spend another two hours(well two and a half this time) was well worth my money. With a movie like this, pointing out the flaws will make it sound worse then it is,but for now, lets start with the stuff that's good.

1)Special effects/wire-fu. Absolutely on point. I watched the original Matrix today, and while Keanu did a good job, he was pretty stiff in the fights. This time the choreography was alot smoother and much more believable(save for one flaw...ill get to that later). And they spared no expensve as far as crashing/blowing things up, the action centerpiece involving a freeway chase is worth watching just for the way they film the crashes.

2)Expansion of the Matrix Universe. They drop alot of little cool idea's about the Matrix that make it less of a dream world, but more of a real world of its own. The in-matrix characters and how they came to be is just a smart idea, and idea imho they could have done much more with(although we will have to see in Revolutions). Just from some of the idea's they drop, you could have a whole Matrix spinoffs of that have absolutely nothing with the original movies themselves.


The bad.

1)The world of the real. The first 45 minutes take place in Zion, and you could walk in right after that part ends and not miss a beat. Now, with guys doing ill matrix moves, the real world would normally have a problem competing, but here they don't even try. Alot of boring speeches, bad love triagles(Nona Gaye should never act again), etc. And its responsible for one of the corniest, tackiest scenes ever put to music since Breakin 2.

2)CGI. *Sigh* Overuse. Not enough to totally tarnish the fx work, but it seemed about they went overboard in about 10% of it. The original Matrix is a landmark in effects because it didn't look fake. This one pushes the boundry alot higher, and the tradeoff is that it doesn't work nearly 100% of the time like the first one did. It is close however.

  

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33. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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The tightest half a movie i have ever seen...
And NOW i have more questions than before...
They are setting themselves up to make the greatest movie in history with 'revolutions' or flop bigtime. im praying its the first.

  

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35. "Too much bullet time..."
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Bullet time is cool and all, but they need to conserve its usage in order to preserve its coolness.

I enjoyed the movie regardless of several flaws (too much bullet time, too much time spent on the first battle with the multiple Agent Smiths ). I liked the conversations Neo had with The Oracle and The Architect, pay attention to these conversations as they lay out the most important information you'll need to follow the plot of the movie.

All-in-all, it's a good movie, but the first 45 minutes could have been excluded without much degradation of the final product.


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76. "disagree"
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without giving too much away, the opening dream sequence was rather pivotal

  

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92. "You're right. (potential spoiler)"
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But besides that and Agent Smith getting into the real world by embedding himself in someone's body, I can't think of anything else in the first half of the movie that was essential. I'm going to see it again though just to make sure I didn't miss anything.


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80. "RE: Too much bullet time..."
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I agree with that, the Oracle scene was informative!

Damn I am old now.

  

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36. "Cornel West"
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Surprised to see him in the movie. Good shit, agreed about Zion being slow but that probably had a lot to do with the fact that I was just REALLY anticipating some of the other scenes in the movie. It'll be cool to go back and watch later. Forgot about the trailer after the movie... fuck.

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113. "RE: Cornel West"
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did you see Roy Jones in there?? I was crackin up when I say that?

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38. "Tom Hayes didn't care for it"
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Some of the fighting ws good, but everything else was pretty boring. I need to sleep now but I can say that not ONCE during this film was I on the edge of my seat. Not a visceral expereince at all. I loved the first one.

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39. "i got word from my croonies"
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that the movie is a @@@@ out of @@@@@. from the midnight showing in nyc.

check the resume

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47. "@@@@@ out of @@@@@"
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I was high as shit! but still the shit was sooooooooooo wicked!
go see that shit ?

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52. "you bugging...@@@ and1/2@"
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-Improv!?, Making big steps for the little steppers

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62. "mind you"
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this was from "croonies". i have yet to see it.

they were reluctant to fork this over.

check the resume

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40. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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Can't say much that hasn't been said already. I thought Reloaded was a lot smarter than the 1st. It was fucking awesome.

  

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41. "raised more questions...(major spoilers)"
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three questions:

1- there seems to be a "higher user domain" that we have not seen yet..i.e. is there a computer counterpart to zion where these characters (oracle/architect/marovingian) exist and of which the matrix is a subset? i thought the source would be that place but i guess thats the other door?

2- can anyone explain the architect conversation beyond...door #1 zion and matrix destroyed and #2 zion destroyed later(?), matrix remains?

3- is agent smiths quest to be free of the matrix (morpheus torture scene in the first movie) what motivates him in this movie? he seems to be going beyond his original "programming" towards some new purpose (neo/smiths++ fight scene)

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45. "Ill try the second question..."
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SPOILER!!!!



Basically, what I got out of it was this. Since they can never perfect the matrix enough to make it totally belieavable, they use test subjects that they let roam around in the Matrix and gather data from them. Test subjects would be the people in Zion. The 'One' is just a method they set up to gather the information once the One reaches the end of the road like Neo did in this movie. When he reaches the end, they assimilate him, use the data to build a more realistic and better Matrix, decimate Zion, and leave enough survivors for the cycle to start again. Door #2 with Neo took was rejecting their offer of assimilating him, and according to the Architect they would rather destroy the Matrix and the inhabitants inside, then continue with the flawed model they would have without Neos' information.

As far as the first question goes, with the Matrix born programs, I think it was the Oracle that dropped lines along the fact of that there's many layers to the Matrix so I kinda got the same thing you did. However, considering how they were living in the world of the Matrix, it seems Agent Smith was a minority in his feelings towards it. They just use the Matrix as their own personal playground, living like Rock Stars and enjoying it.

  

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67. "help..i'm missing something..."
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>SPOILER!!!!
>
>
>
>Basically, what I got out of it was this. Since they can
>never perfect the matrix enough to make it totally
>belieavable, they use test subjects that they let roam
>around in the Matrix and gather data from them. Test
>subjects would be the people in Zion. The 'One' is just a
>method they set up to gather the information once the One
>reaches the end of the road like Neo did in this movie.
>When he reaches the end, they assimilate him, use the data
>to build a more realistic and better Matrix, decimate Zion,
>and leave enough survivors for the cycle to start again.
>Door #2 with Neo took was rejecting their offer of
>assimilating him, and according to the Architect they would
>rather destroy the Matrix and the inhabitants inside, then
>continue with the flawed model they would have without Neos'
>information.
>

interesting take.
but why would the one allow the machines to use them to debug the system, especially if the machines are aiming to destroy zion anyway? isn't their whole goal to destroy any non-connected humans? i don't think data mining is the goal.

neo's choice not to destroy the matrix seemed predicated on the fact that trinity was inside. the other "ones" chose to destroy it at the cost of the lives of those connected because they were able to deal with that cost.
i don't see the connection between making the choice not to destroy the matrix and saving/rebuilding of zion.

why would the machines want zion rebuilt?

respect,
bc

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Are you ready to design your fate?"

respect,
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48. "My Answers"
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>1- there seems to be a "higher user domain" that we have not
>seen yet..i.e. is there a computer counterpart to zion where
>these characters (oracle/architect/marovingian) exist and of
>which the matrix is a subset? i thought the source would be
>that place but i guess thats the other door?

See my postmodernism post. There is this idea that postmodernism is the mirror of mirrors. There really is no social commentary to be made, just a reflection of the past, disjointed pictures that hint at the future without really predicting anything. The Architect, in this scene, was the designer of this postmodern reality, a college or layers of reality. At the core of these pictures/mirrors was choice. The basic human characteristic that these machines could not calculate or determine. It was the one thing that kept coming up over and over, esp. since the Neos kept showing up. That was the door that led to others doors or choices. However, the machines still had control and were making the decision to end it all since they could not control the Neos (Part 3?).

>3- is agent smiths quest to be free of the matrix (morpheus
>torture scene in the first movie) what motivates him in this
>movie? he seems to be going beyond his original
>"programming" towards some new purpose (neo/smiths++ fight
>scene)

Smith wants to be the new power structure, so he became a virus to take over everything and become this new organism. He wants power and control so he replicates indiscriminately. He was an enemy to the power structure, as well as a challenge to Neo who was/is seeking freedom internally rather than externally. His freedom was at the expense of all else, including the status quo.

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49. "which is why"
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the final fight scene judging from the preview of 3 will be a neo/smith fight for it all....

and like all viruses, once you get a sample, you can begin to work on eliminating it...

hence the 1 survivor/smith replication

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66. "my dumbass left the theatre"
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it was late but i was thinking...i'm surprised they didn't show a trailer for the third film....d'oh!!!

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43. "Roy Jones Jr."
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Ugh. WTF.

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50. "Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!"
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110. "RE: Y'ALL MUSTA FORGOT!!!"
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I was waitin 4 him 2 say the same thing in the movie.

Here's my take on the flick tho:

Almost all the best scenes were shown in the final trailer I saw before X-Men 2(which btw is the better movie). The opening scene w/ Trinity goin out the window falling down shooting backwards is incredible. It's also the best scene in the movie IMO. Similar 2 X-Men 2 that is the movie's main mistake. It's great 2 have a spectacular opening scene but u should save the best 4 last or have better scene somewhere later on in the movie.

Still a good flick but my expectations were 2 high. More action & less blah blah blah from Morpheus & a few others would've made it more enjoyable. Monica Bellucci in tha flesh was better than most of the special efx. I hope she gets a lot more screen time in Revolutions.

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93. "Some people should of been boxin"
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instead of acting.

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and I think he did ok...

where as Ray Allen at one point had his own movie...YIKES!

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44. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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I thought it was a really good movie. It doesn't blow the 1st movie out the water because the first movie was the first to introduce everything and therefore it's difficult to compete on that level.

Sensory overload, I have to watch alot of the fight scenes again, alot of cool shit happening.

I see alot of people complaining about the 1st half of the movie and how is was boring or chessy but let us not forget that beside the I know Kung-fu fight between Neo and morphues that there was about a whole hr where nothing happened in the Matrix(yeah they explained what it was, blaha blah.)

Also I belive the part where Neo is told what the Matrix is was pretty damn chessy but it was because we were told what the Matrix was that the scene didn't seem chessy.

The only think I didn't like was that The Virtual Cinemotagraphy looked un-real at some parts during the Burly Brawl(Neo vs. 100 Agents Smiths).
But I belive that this is what happened: The Directors wanted th show a fight where Neo is fight dozens of people to show you how powerful he is. They concieved this scence and shot it hoping that in post-production they could pull it off well. I belive they too saw how poor it looked at certain times but had no choice and couldn't edit it down because they spent alot of TIME, MONEY, AND ENERGY and also it would've been like hell to edit.

Overall it was a great flick and I think people need to digest the film and realize it had a hell of job to do to live up to the hype and I believed it sufficed or came pretty damn close.

  

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103. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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Yo I saw that shit again. That shit was INCREDIBLE!

I actually liked tha Burly Brawl better now. Overall that shit was hot and in time I think everyone who doesn't like it will realize that.

You can't compare the novelty and newness of the seeing the 1st one to the 2nd. It had alot of shit to live up to.

The orijinal had a corny ressurection scene and a long boring stretch too. But too me everything moved pretty fast in Reloaded and Zion didn't suck. It maybe wasn't MAD EXCITING but whatever.

Reloaded may not be better than The Matrix(and why should it have to be, The matrix was first) but it was a really good movie.

The whole movie made sense ya'll just have to pay attention.

The agents made upgrades therefore they can't be disposed as easily as when NEO kills Smith in the 1st film. Also Neo is fighting multiple motherfuckers so combine UPGRADES + MULTIPLE AGENTS/VILLIANS and you have more difficult fights for NEO.

Also that would have been wack if NEO could kick motherfuckers asses with one kick. We would have a 10 min movie.

I also belive that they made this film more humorous because 1)They would be no conclusion(you can't have the movie be dark and serious and then not conclude) 2) Alot of bad things were gonna occur and so they had to balance the mood(again they would be no conclusion).

I think Revolution is gonna kick ASS! It's gonna tie up everything and have the Greatest fight EVER!

  

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51. "Monica Belluci and Lambert Wilson"
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The whole Persephone/Merovigien scene was the most entertaining one in my opinion.
There was a lot of talking, I just hope it sparks the interest of some in philosophy because it reminded me at times of my high school philosophy class at times.
It was nice to see so many people of colour in one movie.

  

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53. "definately"
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>It was nice to see so many people of colour in one movie.

or rather a blockbuster.

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54. "RE: Monica Belluci and Lambert Wilson"
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definetly was nice to see the brothas up in there

  

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55. "OK, don't want to ruin it(so no spoilers)"
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BUt in my opinion, pure crap. THe first is far superior, and not FORCED. THis movie forcefeeds you everything. WIll explain later if asked, but i want a few more ppl to see it first. That way i wont ruin anything, but if you want to know, inbox me

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56. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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one thing i'm wondering about is what happend to agent smith when he dupped himself then picked up the phone and got transfered out of the matrix?? they never went anywhere with that. is he that dude at the end?

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58. "yes"
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remember thats dude at the end is the person who's body smith invaded/replicated himself into.

i assume this is how they will find out how to stop the virus.

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64. "i thought dude at the end *spoiler*"
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was the one who attempted to knife neo as they were leaving Zion

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65. "he is the same dude *spoiler*"
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that agent smith jumped into...or became..however you want to explain it.

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57. "A Plus *possible spoilers*"
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The best fight scene (Smith battle) and car chase scene I've ever seen.

I like how it ended, with a beacon of hope in the midst of a tragedy. Unfortunately, before I went to see the thing last night, I scrolled over the TITLES of the posts in here, and saw the spoiler in Building Block's thread. I'm over it, but damn man, use some fuckin sense.

Anyways, I was a little bitter since the film melted halfway through the movie and they had to repair the shit, plus the audience was laughing like they were watching some damn comedy at parts that weren't even supposed to be funny ("HAHAHA He missed him with that punch!"), but regardless, this was everything I expected it to be, and I was pretty much expecting perfection.


  

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I have equated it to being a crackhead and taking the bus crosstown to your dealer and hitting every spot along the way

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I can't wait for Revolutions. Will post more later

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oh my GOD.

Just got back from a noon showing.

OH MY GOD!!!!

I need at least three days (and two more viewings) to even begin to comment on this thing. One thing I will say: that preview at the end sucked, I have no idea what's going to happen in Revolutions, and I'm GOING TO DIE OF ANTICIPATION over the next three months.

Oh my god.

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69. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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Excellent movie worth it for the special effects alone. See it many times. Just a couple of things....Monica Belluci is fire!!! And how did Roy Jones get in there??

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70. "I MUST SAY, I WANT SOME CHOCOLATE CAKE"
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lol, I liked this one, no complaints, every movie starts out with a lot of talking leading to a climax. I love Trinity though, she is my favorite, so I really loved this movie. It is so much about love, I just enjoyed it. I will say you do have to see it more than once to somehow comprehend some things that were said, but I do want some chocolate cake. MORE LATER

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71. "Fuckin Horrible"
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The movie was basically a series of long drawn out pieces of dialog mixed with long drawn out action sequences(they looked good though). Did the scene at the freeway really have to be that fuckin long. It was like horrible anime

  

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75. "RE: I MUST SAY, I WANT SOME CHOCOLATE CAKE"
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co-sign!!!

  

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73. "zion is part of the matrix"
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yall don't get it...they are still apart of the matrix...

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in retrospect, i think that dance scene was testament to that.

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whichever software runs that part of the matrix really needs an upgrade.. they better get Rave XP or something.

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152. "how so? *spoiler*"
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i didn't "get it" until neo stopped them sentinels outside the ship.

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im satisfied.
im not going to get over technical about it other than mentioning the ending was abrupt, but at the same time they gave us everything we needed until November.
the scenes with the oracle always strike me as boring.
the architect definitely turned things up a notch, what im a bit confused with is all of the different versions of neo on the screens with different reactions, whats that about? I'll probably go see it again this weekend to catch more

  

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>the architect definitely turned things up a notch, what im a
>bit confused with is all of the different versions of neo on
>the screens with different reactions, whats that about? I'll
>probably go see it again this weekend to catch more

the previous "ones" who came to the architect in earlier versions of the Matrix. Or maybe not. But the architect notes how his reaction is better than those before him, shown in the screens flipping out.

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89. "didnt he say 6 prior?"
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why were there so many screens and reactions then?

a part of me wanted to leave all logic behind and have Neo whip upon all 100 of the smiths, like obliterate them without escape.

  

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98. "I guess the screens were just for effect...?"
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100. "nothing in the matrix is just for effect"
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my theory about the number of screens is that if you look closely, you will see that there are only 5 distinct reactions but they are repeated alot.

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102. "VERY astute observation!"
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the infinity effect, i noticed that as well, to symbolize how it would keep goin' on and on....the cycle continues

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142. "RE: all things considered"
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i thought the scene was showing neo that yes he has the freedom of choice (how would you like to react?)..but the selection of choices were already planned out by a programmer. so you are free but only within the boundries given to you. this thought brought me back to the oracle..was she a psychic or did you she just write the "one/neo" program?

but that would mean that he was a part of the machine, no?...*thinking* maybe i didn't think that thought out all the way..

such is life..

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78. "name the video games reloaded ripped off"
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splinter cell - the camera angle when that twin was shooting the rifle at the car

soul calibur - the fight on the stairs (dude even had the sword and shield like sophitia)

ico - when they were dragging the keymaker around, lol

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84. "Matrix had been in production for awhile"
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85. "it's all in good fun"
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i just found some similarities funny

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82. "very disapointing"
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the zion shit was worse than Waterworld. They talk about vampires etc. and neo kills them easily and they do nothing they were hyped up to be capable of. Zion was awful. One of those dudes was a wherewolf and monica belluci had to kill one with silver bullets but neo just stabbed him? Agent Smith sucked i mean Neo whupped his ass last time. The Wire Fu got really boring. The brawl was really boring to0. Zion was awful. Why wasnt there more of the merovingian he was the only character with a personality. Zion was awful and why was Morpheus wearing that ridiculous outfit for his speech, i guess it was kind of fitting though. What happened to Neos powers?
The twins were cool, the architect was cool, and so was the freeway scene but the plot was just really really contrived and bloated. I dont think the wachowskis had planned the matrix to go past the first one but just left it open for a sequel. They seem to have realized that by making Neo all powerful and able to expose the matrix as a false reality to all the people wouldnt allow the sequels to be filled with kung fu and big explosions. So they just kind of wrote his powers away hoping people wouldnt care. I dont get how they could introduce the idea of vampires etc. and not do anything with it.
They should have destroyed Zion at the start of the film because i was happy to hear it had been destroyed after being subjected to an hour of its dullness.
As a summer blockbuster it was okay, but as a sequel to the matrix its unworthy.

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87. "And on top of that - Zion sucked"
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>the zion shit was worse than Waterworld. Zion
>was awful. Why wasnt there more of the merovingian he was
>the only character with a personality. Zion was awful
>They should have destroyed Zion at the start of the film

French dude was the only guy with personality. Wished he had more scenes.

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86. "Yo i laughed my ass off"
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Matrix sold the fuck out

it was too much to engulf.

that shit had me laughing though...

Neo flying to the projects...

the matrix veiw of vagina stimulation...

programs getting oral sex and missing the feeling of love...
...programs?

even out the matrix we still gotta act like niggas...
...where's my Pus....??

How the fuck the key master get shot,peep that shit..
Mofo push that door close!
He closed the door like Neo and Morpheus just came back from the Prom.

Niobe and Morpheus,fuck that was all about...

Morpheus and the commander...

Morpheus and the agent on the truck

"Morpheus is a Nut!"-yo i died laughin'

You know what this mvie captured,Women do not listen to what men tell their asses.Point blank.
Bitch didn't Neo said stay your ass out the matrix,he should of flew at the speed of light and laid the smack down on her hard headed ass.Bitches i swear.

Nona Hendrix...girl you need some acting classes

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165. "He closed the door like Neo and Morpheus just came back"
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hahaaaaaaaahaa




methinks Neo is a program, ppl

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88. "Harry Knowles re-analysis (interesting)"
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I agree with alot of what he says, especially abou the fights seeming meaningless, the pre determination, and the lack of painful moments.


Harry's additional comments on MATRIX RELOADED after watching the MATRIX double feature opening night!
Hey folks, Harry here… As promised in my First Review, I told you I’d see the film a second time. Tonight, I saw the films in IDEAL circumstances… not at a press screening with critics, but at the Alamo Drafthouse Mega-Matrix Geek Event. This was a 35mm Double Feature of THE MATRIX and MATRIX RELOADED. Before the films they were running an animated Matrix trivia contest asking questions varying from easy to hard regarding the Matrix, and your seat had automated interactive controls so each and every audience member could play.
Folks were cheering and laughing and celebrating winning their prizes. The Matrix-Heinie beer promotion was in full swing and folks were drinking them by the six pack. As the MATRIX played the audience applauded and cheered. As THE MATRIX RELOADED played… there was very little reaction to anything more than the cute jokes that the movie has. There was no applause after any battle scenes. As the film ended, about 95% of my audience got up and left with zero applause, no cheers and left without seeing the REVOLUTIONS teaser. I was shocked. I might have many problems with the film, but there’s no way I would leave before seeing the teaser for REVOLUTIONS. In fact, I’d say the critics’ screening that I first saw the film was more reactive to the film than this screening was. That’s scary.
Watching the two films back to back on the big screen underlines every single problem with the sequel.
1. The first film was covered in darkness… lit by isolated lamps, flashlights, emergency lights and spotty fluorescents and iffy bulbs… Probably to cover the limitations of their budget with darkness. This time, since they had the whole of the Time/Warner/AOL fortune, the film is much brighter to look at. Almost every nook and cranny can be seen. In fact, it’s all real pretty, but there’s an edge taken off the atmosphere here.
2. In the first film the fights were in static environments where the focus was the combatants, this time the fights are typically in highly volatile environments that are either so filled with combatants to render the fights mute…. Or in environments so filled with motion that the eye is naturally drawn to other things than just the fighting. The resulting effect means that the audience doesn’t feel the impact of the fight, but is overwhelmed by the setting. Ultimately making the fights meaningless.
3. Also in the first film, the action sequences were exceptionally organic with all the characters moving forward through the story together, losing characters to death and loss as you went along, meaning that the action was being used to weed the characters down till there could be only one… Neo. Much like the masterful way PREDATOR was structured, where there were many badasses, until there was only THE BADASS. Also in the first film, the fights had a variety of fighting styles. Neo or Morpheus would begin in one style, then, when noticing it wasn’t working, they’d improvise and shift to a different martial arts form, with a certain debonair flair. Here, there’s none of that. Here the fighting is segmented, non-organic and without a sense of unity, but of chaos. The result again is the difference between action that serves a story and action that the story makes room for. Unfortunately this is the case here.
4. The first film was brutal and unforgiving. Here, you never lose characters you like. There really is no sense of true horror. Everything seems so readily solvable. Like there are definite pre-determined answers for all of this. Like there is no self-determination. And I understand that to a degree that’s the whole point of this. That ‘mankind’ is in a chess game of life and death with the machines, and the machines always have the first move, which causes you to react, which in turn makes it so that mankind is merely being lead to the slaughterhouse willingly, but subconsciously. I miss the weight to the events in the first film. The perfect balance of charm, romance, mythology, laughs, tears and taut suspense… oh and action. I never get that hopeless feeling that I felt the characters faced in the first film. Never had the, “What the fuck does NEO think he’s doing strapped to that helicopter?” I just didn’t get the sense of… “OH SHIT, WHAT NEXT?” Never went… “OUCH!” This film never really HURTS the audience like the first one. I mean, tonight… when that audience saw Morpheus’ head collide with the toilet and break it off in the first film… It gasped… They’ve fucking seen that movie a million times, and they still gasped. Never heard that sort of collective gasp. That pole of Neo’s never knocks Agent Smith’s teeth out of his mouth and embedded them into a brick wall. I never saw a broken bone this time. Nothing ever hurt like that bullet in Morpheus’ leg as he’s trying to leap for freedom. Nothing in this film really leaves that sort of impact.
5. Ok, and formally this time… I really miss TANK. The new guy is lame… He’s always there for comedic effect. The touchdown “YES”, the “I can’t take this,” exasperation… He plays like a Martin Lawrence wannabe… Whereas Tank… Tank was a passionate character. Some one with beliefs, personal pain, loss and sacrifice. None of those feelings are felt here. Unfortunate.
Contrary to what I’ve heard, this film didn’t improve with a second viewing for me. It went downhill. Watching with a room of die-hard MATRIX fans… didn’t do a thing for it. If anything, the noticeable sap of energy from Film 1 to Film 2 was shocking. The only applause was when the initial green Warner Brothers shield hit the screen. From there on… flat line.
BTW – I want to correct something from my first review. ZION isn’t destroyed in MATRIX RELOADED. That was a point of confusion for me, sorry if this caused you any problems, admittedly I guess my mind was still on the event that had immediately preceded that conversation.
That was the setting of screen 4 10pm opening night at the Alamo Drafthouse. Hell, the FREDDY VS JASON trailer got applause when it was over. Though LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN, KILL BILL, TERMINATOR 3 and LAST SAMURAI didn’t. Odd?
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90. "for anyone upset"
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it couldnt be just straight action.

thats the point of character/plot development

the original seemed to me like they were introducing the concept with enough action to bring us back. this time it was more story based and yes we were mostly drawn in by the action in the trailer. we werent expecting much of an addition to the continuing plot, but thats creativity.

surely you remove roy jones jr./cornel west/harold perrineau/nona gaye and the rave/orgy you'd have a tighter more compact movie. but i appreciate the mix of action and plot, it was chock full of both

  

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94. "RE: for anyone upset"
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I agree that plot should go with the action. Unfortunately they didn't have a very interesting plot, IMO and they didn't blend the plot and action elements very well.

Liked the first one, liked this one too...but less.

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95. "that passes as plot?"
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it was just a bunch of boring characters talking alot without actually saying anything.

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91. "I could have done without the 7-minute fuck scene"
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That's what porn is for...

Otherwise, I thought it was awesome. It got a little too far-fetched at the end though.

BTW anyone else sit around and wait for the Revolution trailer?

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139. "far-fetched?"
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you just sat through a movie where humans are plugged into a dream-world program, where this reality is accepted as fact....and the end was far-fetched.


sorry dude but you needed to have checked relaity and your disbelief at the door with this one...

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143. "maybe i'm reading too much into it..."
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BUT i thought that that whole scene was fascinating. first of all, because the wachowski bros. seem to have done their history homework, and i thought the whole scene was an interesting take on what a celebration in a brasilian maroon colony (zion essentially is a fictionalized version of a civilization like os palmares) might have looked like...but more than that, i thought it deepened the contrast between man and machine...it focussed on a type of sensual reality that belongs exclusively to humans. now, did it need to be 10 minutes? probably not. but i am glad that they intertwined neo and trinity getting down with the celebration going on outside...it seemed to have more significance this way. this of course does not preclude the idea that the wachowski bros. may have just written that whole thing simply for the sake of adding a little t&a action in their movie...but i think it worked well...maybe that's just me.

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96. "Cereffusion's Take:"
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moved:

http://www.okayplayer.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=12359&forum=concert&viewmode=all#37

  

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97. "RE: Cereffusion's Take:"
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OH MY FUCKIN GOODNESS, THIS FILM WAS STRAIGHT FUCKIN FIRE!

Just watched this last night 5/15/03 at a 10:00PM showing. I went with three people besides myself, my friend, his co-worker and my friend's father(Who drove me to the theater). I was suprise to see that the 10pm showing wasn't a complete sellout, I guess thats because it was a week day and people had to work/go to school the next day. Damn, this film had us all talking leaving the theater all the way home! My friend told me that he thought that Agent Smith/Neo fight was the best fight that he had ever seen put to film, right now I'm inclined to agree with him. This film requires a lot of your mental power to comprehend a lot that occurs within it, you should also while watching it make parallels to the technology of computers and its programs. I will no doubt be watching this shit a few more times to try to obsorb it all.

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104. "'Matrix Reloaded' Sets Opening Day Record"
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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=638&ncid=579&e=3&u=/nm/20030516/en_nm/media_matrix_dc


'Matrix Reloaded' Sets Opening Day Record - AOL CEO

LANSDOWNE, Va. (Reuters) - "The Matrix Reloaded" grossed a record $42.5 million on its opening day on Thursday, said the chief executive of AOL Time Warner, which owns the Warner Bros. studio that produced the movie.

"The Matrix did $42,475,000. ... That's the largest one-day opening in the history of movies," AOL Time Warner CEO Dick Parsons said on Friday at the company's annual meeting.

The one-day start puts the Matrix well on its way to breaking the box-office records for an opening weekend. Last year's "Spider-Man" holds the record for a best three-day opening with $114.8 million in ticket sales.

The movie made its nationwide debut on Thursday, playing in a little over 3,600 theaters and on 8,500 movie screens.

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106. "i apologize in advance to avid matrix fans"
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but that movie was the most contrived piece of crap i've seen. and here's why:
the sex scene was totally stupid. we already know that neo and trinity are in love at that point, so why the sex scene? except to appeal to the most carnal of human emotions.
the neo-fights-agent-smiths scene. that shit went on for like five minutes, which is a while in movie time. most of the action scenes were totally gratuitous. it's like "the dialouge's getting flat, so let's add some kung fu." what the fuck?
the acting sucked. it's hard to imagine what people would actually act like in such an extraordinary situation, but they wouldn't be totally stoic and cool all the fucking time.
i've already pissed off two matrix fans with my opinion. but at least i gave the movie a chance.

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108. "hmmm...?"
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oddly enough I loved the movie and still I can see how you came to feel what you feel about it...

I guess the difference between you and me is that we've both *already made our choices*...or maybe not...either or...this film simply didn't appeal to you...people are different for a reason...

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109. "did you also get a headache after?"
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me and one of my buddies both got splitting headaches after we left the theater. i think it had something to do with the fast motion of those action sequences.

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112. "no..."
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I guess you didn't read the part where I said I loved this movie...and that you and me basically saw the same things differently...

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116. "RE: did you also get a headache after?"
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My head and eyes hurt on that seen when Neo seen the Architect.

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117. "RE: i apologize in advance to avid matrix fans"
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>so why the sex scene?

Think 1999 by Prince. These people knew they were about to die and the dance scene was about survival. What is sex anyway? I think folks in Zion sensed the end and did what I think most people would do if they knew the end was near.

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118. "cosign"
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I mean, what are they going to do...loot? Dancing is pure expression. As is music. As is sex. That scene was humanity.

  

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120. "yeah it was making excuses"
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to get into fight scenes. The structure was just philosophy/fight/philosophy/fight/philosophy/fight. The sad thing is the fight scenes were boring, people werent even getting hurt during them.

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121. "boring?"
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Some dude was fighting with a trident.


a trident.

  

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128. "they went through most of the TMNT arsenal"
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motherfucker did some jedi shit to get the sai's (reppin for raphael) and all that

then another cat got a mace to the dome

i liked that fight scene .. but it went on for too long.

the rainbow coalition casting amused me

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134. "big deal"
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i mean theres like 6 people fighting, their suposed to be vampires and wherewolves but they dont do anything to do with that, and what neo gets his hand cut a little? it was just strike/block/strike/block. For fucks sake in the first one morpheus's heads gets slammed into a toilet bowl, peoples teeth get knocked out, this shit in reloaded is like disney. Its nit exciting at all if you know nothings really on the line.

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107. "My Review no spoilers not much to say"
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In my mind The Matrix (original) was the greatest Movie ever...(not exactly my favorite but)usually when you have great movies the sequels fail to live up to the standard and basically suck...so it is in my opinion that on a list of sequels to good/great movies, "The Matrix Reloaded" is the Greatest sequel to a good/great movie ever...

It's simply a follow up...it's what goes on afterwards with out trying to be a film all its own...it didn't bring anything original to the table (which is why I won't say it's better than the original) but it did manage to raise the bar (which makes it a great sequel)...

the story line is AT LEAST 2x's more complex than the original...yet and still if you pay attention it's almost like this

analogy: they start off a sentence speaking maybe 2 words of english or what ever language you do understand...the next part of it is in a language you don't understand then the LAST FEW WORDS ARE BACK TO ENGLISH(or what ever)...in any case it is so clever yet so simple that all you really have to do is ignore the parts you don't understand...take the parts you do and piece it all together...

there are some scenes that aren't as entertaining to every one nor do they play an integral part to the plot...yet I think they were worth the while simply because they set and maintain an ambiance for the progression of the film (set) all together...

the action...is like this...take every fighting scene or action scene you ever seen from any movie and multiply it by 10 then to set the mood (for every single scene) throw in the final fight scene from Jackie Chan's "Who Am I"...and you Have the matrix...

I don't think they over used the CGI...it's just that there are parts in every action scene where it is way too obvious to see...and it feels like it wasn't exactly essential...

Yes there's a love story to it...yet it's not as sappy or as cheesy as the one in "Star Wars Attack of the Clones"... and it doesn't clog or saturate the story line as much as the one in "Star Wars Attack of the Clones either".

although the finally to "The Matrix Reloaded" leaves something to be desired (even more so to those who are not aware of the next and final installment to the series) I must admit that overall this was a beautiful film and I'm going to see it again...in fact I'm buying the bootleg after I see it for the second time...


wrap up with the only negative parts being...

the story line can come off more complicated than it really is to the average jo

you can spot the CGI at various point

there's maybe 15-30 minutes of film you don't really need to see

and there's maybe 15-30 minutes of film left off at the end...

My overall score...

9.5 out of 10

if you saw "AI" and wanted you're money back like me...then you'll love "The Matrix Reloaded..."

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111. "wow did this movie suck"
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I missed about the first 5 minutes. Did I miss anything?

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119. "you could miss the first half"
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and it wouldnt have effected the rest of the movie at all.

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114. "I want a piece of that cake"
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damn. bring back the twins in 3. obvious cgi moments. does morpheus talk like that when he's 'with' a woman? jeez! it was like a freak club in that 'freedom' speech scene...I tell you, nothing like that happened after the million man march. who knew cornel west was gonna be in this?!...WHO!? does anyone else find themselves saying 'mr.anderson' like agent smith, over and over again?? no?...oh...me either. who's tried to do the scoop-air-take-off-like-superman thingie neo does?....no one...oh. me either. I need to see the part again where neo meets with the creator of the matrix. every 'one' has an assassin. what was all the buzz about the sex scene between neo and trinity?!!? I've seen more graphic stuff on fox! I don't know how to pronounce ole boy's name, the french guy, but he was funny...like wiping your ass with silk. I could go on, but I just got back and I wanna let it sink in.

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131. "Mr. ANderson!!!"
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Yes, LOL
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I drove my friends CRAZY with that shit all night long.
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115. "the keymaker was great."
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easily my favorite character in the movie.

I hated the way it ended.

  

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132. "that was probably"
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the MOST unexpected thing in the whole movie.
I was like....HUH???
An Asian locksmith?
Like,.... a real fukkin locksmith?


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141. "the keymaker was the SHIT!!!"
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seriously, i co-sign. he was my favorite character in the whole flick. he needed his own poster.

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122. "People are missing the Point"
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I think the Brother's might be a step ahead of people with this.. (I'm going on the limb) by saying this..

Reloaded is not a complete product.. The introduction of Zion, the dialoge at the restrurant, the long fight scene with Smith, all have purpose.. and we will find them out in the final of the trilogy..

I think the answers of will, choice, control, and power will be given at the conclusion of the film..

just my take..

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123. "It's still its own movie"
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it should be able to stand alone. If not, they should've cut half that crap and just made one sequel.

My problems aren't with not understanding their purpose, but with the execution and acting in itself.

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153. "F the point, I want to see a good movie"
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>I think the Brother's might be a step ahead of people with
>this.. (I'm going on the limb) by saying this..
>
>Reloaded is not a complete product.. The introduction of
>Zion, the dialoge at the restrurant, the long fight scene
>with Smith, all have purpose.. and we will find them out in
>the final of the trilogy..
>
>I think the answers of will, choice, control, and power will
>be given at the conclusion of the film..

The problem is they done fucked up. They made a shitty ass sequel which EVERYONE saw. Now only about half the people will go see the 3rd. They'll rack up on DVD sales on the 3rd though I'm sure.

>
>just my take..

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124. "It SURE was alotta black people in the Matrix."
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equal rights opportunity?



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125. "Majority of the white people are in space."
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I'm saying though,Zion?

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162. "yeah man. Zion."
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why does NEO have to be the one?





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126. "Revolutions Trailer Right Here"
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here's a link to it. Not sure if the source is "Enter the Matrix" or "Matrix Reloaded", but it is a trailer for revolutions. 15MB. Have 1min 20 secs. Have fun.

(for windows..right click, save target as)
http://hem.passagen.se/fazaa/the.matrix.revolutions.mpg

  

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127. "RE: Revolutions Trailer Right Here"
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ive noticed that this link doesnt always work. just keep trying i guess.

or try this http://www.mikedingleyjones.btinternet.co.uk/the.matrix.revolutions.mpg

  

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129. "THIS MOVIE IS TERRRRRRRIBLE!!!!!!!!!"
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-Awful script
-Terrible use of CGI
-Godawful acting
-Poor attempt at continuing the Matrix story
-Awful villains
-Bad re-introduction of Agent Smith
-Horrible new characters
-Unbelievable story elements.

This movie killed the Matrix saga for me about as quick as The Phantom Menace killed The Star Wars saga. Needless to say at this point I couldn't care less about what happens in The Matrix Revolution.

I won't spoil anything, but I can say first off that there is no way that The Matrix was a planned trilogy. I can also say that, if The Phantom Menace didn't do it, this movie without a doubt was the turning point in CGI becoming the most embarrassing and overdone special effect since stop-motion and claymation.

In short: @@

I would have given this @@@@ had it been a video game.

But I wasn't given a controller.

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130. "agreed .."
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even everything during morpheus' speech looked awkward and CGI. the action scenes that had real people (what? they still use those?) were exciting to watch, but when it so obviously slipped into computer-generated replacements, it lost me.

that highway scene owned my life (save the overly long fight atop the truck with morpheus).

and the wachowski's missed out on some opportunities for some badass shots by staying too close to the actors and refusing to pull away to show them from a wider perspective. tis a shame ..

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133. "Whoa...Jar Jar was the pioneer"
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>I can also
>say that, if The Phantom Menace didn't do it, this movie
>without a doubt was the turning point in CGI becoming the
>most embarrassing and overdone special effect since
>stop-motion and claymation.

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135. "finally an adult movie!!"
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the last few years have been so boring with all these downgraded scripts and storylines to maximize a movies $$ potential by having kids being able to watch it.

This movie had alot more dialogue, but i welcomed it.

First time in awhile i caught myself leaning forward to listen to what was being said, as well not being able to totally figure out where the plot and storyline was going to go.

It's a solid movie, not the best ever..but a solid movie for the finale.

This year will be an unbelievable year for trilogy finales..

- lord of the rings finale
- matrix finale
- star wars finale (maybe next spring)

That's some heavyweight bangers comin' out this year...

  

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136. "i saw it"
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it twas solid.
i think that a part of the dissapointment with some of y'all could be that for starters---you saw this flick on a weeknight at 1am!!!!

and another might be high expectations.

so i won't get all in it with theories and whatnot...

but i do have to know---

is this the first science fiction film in which black people are actually considered to be part of the future?

i was surprised that more than 3 of us were on screen.

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137. "RE: i saw it"
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I was shock too to see black folks up in Zion, also the agents were considered to be "the man" the bad guy, that alone made this movie a classic.



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144. "they need to make some of octavia butler's books"
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into movie...in her shit, we are the future. period. dot.

also, as soon as you asked the question, i thought of 'enemy mine.' 'member with louis gossett jr. having the alien baby? i love that movie, but can't remember if he was the only black person in it or not.

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146. "hollywood IS NOT ready for Octavia Butler, ok?"
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they arent


Mind of My Mind Imago (the exogenesis series) Kindred (and im seriously seeing N'bushe Wright as the lead with either Guy Pearce/Colin Farrell/Billy Zane/Jude Law as the her husband and one of the other ones I names as Rufus Weylin), etc.

Hollywood couldnt do it. I do know for a FACT that MOST of Butler's books--the movie rights have been bought by various folk so we shall see..i know at one point, Aflre Woodard was going to star in a SCIFI Channel adaptation of Kindred..but it never came together.

hell...id love to have a crack at adapting one or more of her books. shit..add Samuel Delany (a black gay sci fi writer) to that list too..he's RIPE for movie adaptation..a lot of his books feature black folk or folk of color as leads...but since la la land cant deal with same sex relationships in positive lights (and you will get the positive and negative aspects in delany's novels), it will never happen.

but Octavia on the silver screen? id SO be first in line.

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138. "it was..."
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kinda corny. I thought I was in Philosophy 101 again.

The action is what makes it exciting, but they show all the action sequences in the trailer.


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140. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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i thought the movie was great. saw it twice already. i don't really understand folks who are complaining so much about the movie. i would love to see how they would have done it better. i think if you didn't like this film, you were going in not to like it. or you just enjoy looking for little things to pick on.

  

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145. "it was a great 2.5 hour trailer for matrix: revloutions"
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i didnt have any expectations for it..its a sequel and sequels rarely surpass the originals in terms of quality.

i enjoyed it...granted, there was MORE emphasis on dialogue..which id id like.

it was fine..it was a solid 3 star movie. nothing more, nothing less.

Carrie Anne-Moss owned it, IMHO--hell this is the SECOND time she opened the film..that in itself should be something to think about.

Laurence Fishburne--love him as Morpheus, but his speech in the cave was irritating..just too over the top..i was expecting him to say "Can you dig it?" warriors style..

Keanu Reeves--gotta love the "deer in the headlights" motif he gives off..he's PERFECT as clueless, dopey Neo who is still realizing that he's part of the matrix, etc.

Jada Pinkett-Smith: i hope her role is expanded in Revolutions cause she was SEVERLY one note here...and ididnt see why folk were so hyped for her cause she didnt do much of anything.

Nona Gaye: same as Jada...ALTHOUGH i do see Zee as getting revenge for Dozier's death in Matrix I--that would HAVE to be her primary motivation in Matrix: Revolutions. would she go after Bane? that's the question.

LOVE Mary Alice but Gloria Foster was fierce as The Oracle. finally, a mainstream, i.e. larger audience got a taste of who Gloria was as an actress. But, mary alice will do well in the third movie. (SPOILER: the oracle takes on many forms, so Mary Alice is stepping in for Foster, who died in 2001 i believe)

it was decent...and this IS the FIRST film in which black folks figured PROMINENTLY into a sci fi film. its about time...

Matrix Reloaded: something id see no more than twice, and ONLY during matinee.

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147. "I Thought Foster Died Before Filming?"
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And what happened to Tank? Wasn't he alive at the end of The Matrix?

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151. "dude who played tank is suing the matrix people"
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CALL OUT THE SENTINELS: Marcus Chong, who played Tank in the original Matrix, is suing Warner Bros. and the filmmakers for breach of contract and slander and libel. Chong says he was promised a role in the two sequels but was dropped without explanation.

i just assumed that he died from his injuries or whatever...

also, foster died during filming. didn't get through the third one. too bad, she was a talented actress, but i'm glad that a big audience got a chance to see her in action, because the KILLED it as the oracle.


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148. "Garbage"
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*SPOILER*

I can't believe I spent my $8.50 on this mess. It was 20 mins. worth of cool action, and two hours worth of babbling and bad acting that really could have been said/done in less than half that amount of time.

First of all, wtf is going on on Zion? As soon as Morpheus started giving that corny speech, I new the rest was going to be downhill. What the hell was was up with the 20 minute sex scene? There's no sex in the Matrix! The world is about to end, and they're going at it? WTF??? The whole sex/dancing orgy scene needs to be DELETED.

Most of the acting was terrible. The commander sucked, the Emperor guy sucked, all the people on the Council sucked. Even Lawrence Fishburne and Jada, at certain points, sucked. The acting at the end where Neo is trying to bring Trinity back was the pinnacle of suckiness. How the hell is he just reaching into her body and ish? Then, she's supposed to be dying and they're making out. That makes no sense. They love each other - we get it. The only scene they needed to show this was the bathroom scene with Persephone, and how she was ready to beat ol' girls ass. That was classic.

The best part was the freeway scene, although it dragged out a bit at the end. Those twins were sick. Them and the Key Maker were the only interesting characters in the whole movie. Then, how the hell are they gonna kill the Key Maker? That ish pissed me off.

I know it was supposed to be philosophical and ish, but there was just way too much talking. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, needs to have a 10 minute monologue.

I think I'll skip the 3rd movie, and act like the second one never happened.

  

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149. "And another thing"
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WTF was up with Neo flying around like Superman? Dodging bullets and jumping 10 feet in the air I could accept. But now he's like Superman? CORNY!!!

  

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154. "RE: And another thing"
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>WTF was up with Neo flying around like Superman? Dodging
>bullets and jumping 10 feet in the air I could accept. But
>now he's like Superman? CORNY!!!

There are definite spiritual connoctations with this (see Tao). The idea of transcendence is not new. In fact, what Neo is able to do in the Matrix is free his mind in order to break the rules that bind most others. Superman was supposed to be able to do this in the real world but Neo followed a path and soon was able to break free from his mental conditioning in order to fly.

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158. "holy fuck"
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"WTF was up with Neo flying around like Superman? Dodging bullets and jumping 10 feet in the air I could accept. But now he's like Superman? CORNY!!!"

-- at the end of first film who flys off the screen....NEO!! what would you expect

"How the hell is he just reaching into her body and ish? Then, she's supposed to be dying and they're making out."

--near the end of the film who flys (another instance of flying in the first movie) in to agent smith and makes him explode.... NEO!!!

dude was doing these things in the first movie why you bitchin when he does it in the second

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164. "The first one wasn't stupid"
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When Neo jumped into Smith that was like whoa, wtf just happened? Plus, that's entirely different because Smith is not a "human" person AND he wasn't making out with him while massaging his heart from the inside. Then at the end when Neo flew off the screen, that was just a cool end to the movie - he wasn't "acting" like Superman with the pose and everything. The end of Reloaded when he's flying to save Trinity with all the flames shooting behind him all "faster than a speeding bullet" was just WAAAAAY over the top, too much, straight up CORNY. But if you liked it, then by all means, go see it again.

  

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155. "Another thing I liked..."
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...because stuff keeps coming up in my head all the time I talk about Reloaded/The Matrix (only saw Reloaded once)...I like the idea of Neo straddling two worlds at once. Both worlds are running side by side, the visible and the invisible. Neo is the ultimate warrior because he is able to straddle both.

In The Matrix the invisible world (Matrix) generates and supports the visible world from inside, like the physical one is thrown across the Matrix like a cover for protection and to keep the game of hide-and-seek going on and on (until Revolutions).

This entire illusion runs on ones and zeros (ons and offs) like the computers the "pilots" use to navigate. When the visible world is one the Matrix is off, like yin and yang. Like The Architect alludes to, this invisible world contains all the information that ever existed or ever will exist. There is no time, no past, no future, just one present moment that keeps going on and on. This is almost like the spiritual world except it is presented as artificial intelligence.

The Animatrix tells the story of how humans began to worship the machines/technology like gods so this idea of a technological/spirit world makes sense.

So Neo crisscrosses between worlds, bringing his Matrix/spirit body out into the real world, while becoming more accustomed to the other side. He is becoming familiar with both sides to the point of being able to transcend or merge them together. Neo can go there (the Matrix) to fly, to recharge, to become empowered, and continue on his path while helping others along the way. It's in this way that Neo is able to foretell the future (Trinity's death) and perhaps change the present based on that knowledge.

Finally, I think the two doors in that room are in all of us. We can choose power or love. It's our choices that define who we are.

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159. "woah..."
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**said bill and ted style**

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160. "*Smile*"
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I was wondering if someone would read this...that Reloaded movie has me flippin' out!

Seriously (sort of), I think there was a reason for the way out, bloated plot...all building up to Revolutions.

I don't even know if I'll see Reloaded again before November!

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163. "along similar lines."
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i thought Agent Smith was the most interesting thing about the movie. i really wanted to know what he was up to, and how/why he was doing what he was doing.

so im in the shower thinking about the movie and it occured to me: if neo is the one, then is agent smith the zero?

im only vaguely aware with computer programming, but i do know that binary logic is a big part of it. binary logic--on/off states, ones and zeros, that are the foundation of all information.

im shit at explaining this kind of stuff, so check this Wired article which gives the basics and then builds something incredible on top of it. its long but fascinating.

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.12/holytech.html

done? cool, right?

i had this clear in my head a second ago, about the roles of smith and neo, but my thoughts are fragmenting now. so i'm just going to vomit it out.

smith and neo are opposites as opposed to enemies. a one and a zero. perhaps smith represents the data the machines gather, just like neo reps the humans. without both of them the matrix is incomplete. they're the foundation.

someone with a better understanding of programming fix/fill in the gaps in what ive said!

having sad all this, i still didnt enjoy the movie that much. discussing the movie is much more enjoyable.

  

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161. "RE: Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread"
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the movie was wack. the love scene/Zion parts felt like fuller. And the funny this is that a good percentage of people in the theater had the same reaction as mine. Also, the "Mystic" language/pseudo-philosophy was a joke. Confusing the audience by using twisted speech doesn't make it deep. One

  

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166. "An Abortion of a Movie"
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I hated the first Matrix, Blade and Dark City dealt with concepts and visuals similar to the Matrix. All the things that were lauded in this movie had already been done before and better. That said I was actually looking forward to seeing this flick based on the trailers and hype. Reloaded did do one thing for me, it made me like the first one more because this movie was a collassal piece of pretentious, contrived, psuedo intellectual bullshit.

Long drawn out exposition, and a smidgen of computer generated action does not a good movie make. Nor does reapeating dialouge in the same scene with different inflections and synonyms. Dammit, stop talking already and fight. And when you fight have some consequences other than the hero/heroes escaping. Every scene that came on I was dreading because I knew it would be another 5 to 10 minute rambling to explain the failings of the last movie or to forshadow events in the next. Hey, what about this movie!!!!

I know the apologist want to say "this is supposed to be part of a trilogy"..."it leads into the next movie...Bullshit, a movie needs to stand on its own, this aint television or a comicbook where shit will resolve itself in a month. There are many films that are pieces to a whole that not only serve the larger story but stand on there own.

Incredible how a movie with such great and epic concepts fails on almost every level. The Wachowski's need to go back to film school seriously. I realize they did soem marketing research that said yeah, most people like, 'splosions, fights, guns, cars, robots, fine women etc, but hey lets throw in a lot of overly verbose actors, some greek mythology, biblical references and zen philosophy for the high-brow folks too!


This movie was ponderous. Excrutiatingly ponderous. Its like watching prison inmates doing Shakespeare with every concievable action movie cliche thrown in. BAD!!!! And while the Wachowski's manage to drop the bombshell that they ripped off the movie the 13th Floor...umm I mean that there is a virtual world inside a virtual world it wasnt enough to salvage a poorly put together film.

  

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