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"Matrix Reloaded *SPOILERS ABOUND* thread"
Fri May-23-03 04:24 AM by shockzilla

  

          

WARNING: This post and this thread will have lots and lots of ******SPOILERS******.

I am having a lot of trouble figuring out and accepting Reloaded. Now the directing flaws aside (e.g. too much bullet time, etc.) I am trying to work out all the info given in this film.



SPOILERS NOW:

The whole original logic of the film (to put it really really simply)is that in the real world they are just normal people, but in the Matrix they can "hack" the system and be sort of Superheros, right? And then Neo stops the Sentinels in the real world with his "powers?" This means one of two things: 1) the worse explanation is that his powers as the One extend beyond the Matrix. that would make the whole franchise suck in my opinion. so let us give them the benefit of the doubt and move to 2) when they return to the "real world" they are actually still in the Matrix.

I know that most of the answers to all this mystery and potential plot twists lie in the damn scene with the Architect, but there is a lot of double-talk and counfounded speech to digest and work through. I feel I need to see it again to make an appropriate assessment of the film.


Basically I want to hear what y'all's theories are because I kinda feel disappointed in the movie overall. However, I also feel that there is potential for the film to redeem some of it's shortcomings if the story is good enough, and with all these twists and turns, I am no longer confident that I know exactly what that is anymore. And this gives me a little hope.


Post your theories here and let's pick this muhfuh apart.


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Matrix Reloaded *SPOILERS ABOUND* thread [View all] , DawgEatah, Thu May-15-03 05:13 AM
 
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Good...I thought it was just me...
May 15th 2003
1
He's pussy whipped...
May 15th 2003
3
another possible interpretation
May 15th 2003
14
RE: Good...I thought it was just me...
May 19th 2003
141
RE: Matrix Reloaded Post #987: Theories? *SPOILERS*
May 15th 2003
2
There has got to be even more I am not totally getting.
May 15th 2003
4
RE: There has got to be even more I am not totally gett
May 15th 2003
5
RE: There has got to be even more I am not totally gett
May 16th 2003
46
how much do you wanna bet that
May 16th 2003
71
Good Shit
May 15th 2003
6
      i put up a post on this last night, deleted though
May 15th 2003
8
      RE: Good Shit
May 15th 2003
11
      RE: Good Shit
May 16th 2003
47
      RE: Good Shit
May 16th 2003
80
           nah
May 21st 2003
165
based on what the Architect says
May 15th 2003
7
why is Neo getting stronger and stronger?
May 15th 2003
9
Yes, but yet what makes this film suck the most
May 15th 2003
10
      thats my major problem(well one of the many)
May 15th 2003
29
      they upgraded
May 16th 2003
48
           exactly
May 16th 2003
58
           RE: exactly
May 21st 2003
166
           good for them
May 16th 2003
72
                RE: good for them
May 17th 2003
96
      RE: Yes, but yet what makes this film suck the most
May 19th 2003
133
Theories and Guesses
May 15th 2003
12
RE: Theories and Guesses
May 15th 2003
13
RE: Theories and Guesses
May 15th 2003
15
RE: Theories and Guesses
May 15th 2003
16
      RE: Theories and Guesses
May 15th 2003
17
Is it just me...
May 15th 2003
18
you coudl be right
May 15th 2003
19
can't explain right now, but
May 15th 2003
20
RE: can't explain right now, but
May 15th 2003
21
      Agreed, Mel. Also...
May 15th 2003
22
      RE: Agreed, Mel. Also...
May 15th 2003
24
           the man SAID that it was only his opinion
May 15th 2003
25
                RE: the man SAID that it was only his opinion
May 15th 2003
42
      Neo as Wild Card
May 17th 2003
104
           RE: Neo as Wild Card
May 19th 2003
137
Transcript of convo with ORACLE (spoilers)
May 15th 2003
23
you got a transcript to the architect convo?
May 15th 2003
27
      here it is
May 15th 2003
41
           RE: here it is
May 15th 2003
43
           no, he said please as if he was divorced
May 16th 2003
44
                RE: no, he said please as if he was divorced
May 16th 2003
49
                that too, but the oracle is the mother of the matrix
May 16th 2003
55
                RE: no, he said please as if he was divorced
May 16th 2003
59
                what would you call an intuitive program then?
May 16th 2003
60
                I think you're wrong
May 16th 2003
64
                     he scoffed at the name
May 16th 2003
69
                          true
May 16th 2003
84
                               RE: true
May 19th 2003
138
                                    he DID say it like
May 22nd 2003
173
           how about..
May 20th 2003
152
initially
May 15th 2003
26
don't act like it was your idea
May 15th 2003
30
      okay-
May 15th 2003
32
           that'll do just fine
May 15th 2003
33
                not at all
May 15th 2003
36
                     Don't I get some credit?!
May 15th 2003
38
                          i'm seeing it
May 15th 2003
39
furthermore:
May 15th 2003
28
choice
May 19th 2003
129
That man who was cutting his hands..
May 15th 2003
31
don't know about the mixing blood
May 15th 2003
35
RE: don't know about the mixing blood
May 16th 2003
77
He is Agent Smith
May 16th 2003
79
cutting his hand was important!
May 18th 2003
127
Shame on you Cornell West
May 15th 2003
34
the wachowskis were very influenced by west's writings
May 19th 2003
131
Cereffusion's Take:
May 15th 2003
37
the smith/bane dillemma
May 15th 2003
40
RE: the smith/bane dillemma
May 16th 2003
45
      one thought...
May 16th 2003
50
           cuz
May 16th 2003
51
                23 "Scientists" Divine Nalej Allah
May 16th 2003
53
                     i was thinkin' the saaaaame thing
May 16th 2003
54
and there's an annoying guy running around (which isn't
May 16th 2003
52
What about this?
May 16th 2003
56
      Also,
May 16th 2003
57
      Over analyzing I think
May 16th 2003
61
           RE: Over analyzing I think
May 16th 2003
68
The female counterpart of The Architect
May 16th 2003
83
      RE: The female counterpart of The Architect
May 16th 2003
91
           RE: The female counterpart of The Architect
May 17th 2003
93
Why was Neo not the one, then was The One?
May 16th 2003
62
she says herself
May 16th 2003
63
RE: she says herself
May 18th 2003
121
      RE: she says herself
May 21st 2003
167
RE: Why was Neo not the one, then was The One?
May 16th 2003
66
transmitting physical objects through phone lines?
May 16th 2003
65
RE: transmitting physical objects through phone lines?
May 16th 2003
67
but how would they know what to fashion the object
May 16th 2003
70
      RE: but how would they know what to fashion the object
May 16th 2003
73
Teleportation has always been a sci-fi theme
May 16th 2003
82
RE: transmitting physical objects through phone lines?
May 18th 2003
122
      RE: transmitting physical objects through phone lines?
May 18th 2003
123
My question is this...
May 16th 2003
74
RE: My question is this...
May 16th 2003
75
      Its not the same girl
May 16th 2003
76
My theory
May 16th 2003
78
A Mirror of Mirrors
May 16th 2003
81
why didnt'Trinity die?
May 16th 2003
85
RE: why didnt'Trinity die?
May 16th 2003
86
questions
May 16th 2003
87
250,000
May 17th 2003
110
because:
May 18th 2003
128
interesting side-note about Cypher
May 16th 2003
88
Did Nioby Die?
May 19th 2003
136
      RE: Did Nioby Die?
May 19th 2003
140
           It's Niobe
May 19th 2003
148
           RE: It's Niobe
May 20th 2003
154
           nope
May 21st 2003
168
was zion destroyed or not?
May 16th 2003
89
no, zion hasnt been destroyed yet
May 16th 2003
90
      ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT
May 16th 2003
92
           "welcome to the real"
May 17th 2003
94
           I dunno
May 17th 2003
95
                RE: I dunno
May 17th 2003
97
                RE: I dunno
May 17th 2003
99
                     In the Animatrix short
May 17th 2003
102
                From a ex Comp Sci major...
May 17th 2003
98
           RE: ALL OF THIS IS IRRELEVANT
May 17th 2003
101
           well thats part of the reason
May 18th 2003
126
wild hunnids
May 17th 2003
100
me & my boy have got some theories to lay out
May 17th 2003
103
RE: me & my boy have got some theories to lay out
May 17th 2003
111
any meaning to
May 17th 2003
105
RE: any meaning to
May 18th 2003
115
One thing that bothers me about Zion
May 17th 2003
106
There sure were alotta Black folk in the Matrix. n/m
May 17th 2003
107
just figured somethings out
May 17th 2003
108
the oracle is a program
May 17th 2003
109
is the matrix there to learn more about mankind?
May 17th 2003
112
Anyone have any theories about Persephone's role?
May 17th 2003
113
RE: Anyone have any theories about Persephone's role?
May 17th 2003
114
      Name significance...?
May 18th 2003
116
           architect
May 18th 2003
117
                architect scene :
May 18th 2003
118
                and one more thing
May 18th 2003
120
                no, the keymaker told Morpheus
May 21st 2003
162
                Right...I like this explanation better
May 18th 2003
124
                it's less complicated than it sounds
May 18th 2003
119
                     RE: it's less complicated than it sounds
May 18th 2003
125
neo and trinity
May 19th 2003
130
why is smith driving a car at the beginning?
May 19th 2003
132
RE: why is smith driving a car at the beginning?
May 19th 2003
134
      "this is all that matters now"
May 21st 2003
163
Why rebuild Zion??
May 19th 2003
135
RE: Why rebuild Zion??
May 20th 2003
155
What is up with the spoon???
May 19th 2003
139
RE: What is up with the spoon???
May 19th 2003
143
      you would guess it is from the kid in the first movie.
May 19th 2003
144
The Hallway
May 19th 2003
142
some more helpful insight from a site
May 19th 2003
145
hey
May 19th 2003
150
link
May 22nd 2003
175
really really good
May 21st 2003
169
Newhart
May 19th 2003
146
More revelations...
May 19th 2003
147
What I think
May 19th 2003
149
Agent Smith on the loose, how?
May 20th 2003
151
when neo went into him
May 20th 2003
153
A couple questions
May 20th 2003
156
RE: A couple questions
May 20th 2003
157
neo was the 6th
May 20th 2003
158
From Godman's post, which was overlooked & locked
May 20th 2003
159
RE: From Godman's post, which was overlooked & locked
May 21st 2003
160
      RE: From Godman's post, which was overlooked & locked
May 21st 2003
161
Second viewing
May 21st 2003
164
RE: Second viewing
May 22nd 2003
174
some thoughts
May 21st 2003
170
Another Question..
May 22nd 2003
171
One thing I don't like about this thread
May 22nd 2003
172
RE: One thing I don't like about this thread
May 23rd 2003
176

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