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"Wisdom of Our Ancestors"


  

          

Akwaaba

As winter draws near and the sun begins its descent only to die and be reborn (winter solstice), the creatures on this planet (including humans) find this time favorable for hibernation, contemplation, meditation and reflection. If one thing on Earth has proven to be continually universal amongst human beings is the sacredness of this season. For the entire month of December, a few okayplayers decided to do a thread on a source of wisdom that has been of use to US for ages. WE decided to post proverbs and sayings from a few OUR ancestors from a land now called Afrika.

Because of the diversity and vast array of wisdom from OUR ancestors WE can only present a minute fraction of the endless pool of knowledge. The posts of wisdom will be coupled with possible intepretations of their meanings but will by no means be absolute. When looking at any Afrikan proverb, one must realize that many do not simply contain only one message. Many contain a mulitude of meanings left for the seeker to find. If you have any proverbs to offer by all means list them to share with EVERYONE. And if you would like to interpret any proverbs then feel free to do so. Take what you can gain and leave the rest. If it is sweet, or if it isn't sweet, let some go and let some come. Going and coming is a game.(<-Akan proverb)

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
Akan
Dec 01st 2001
1
Children
Dec 01st 2001
2
~treads~ n/m
Dec 03rd 2001
11
Wisdom
Dec 01st 2001
3
Interdependence
Dec 02nd 2001
4
Invincibility of Death and the Power of God to Overcome Death
Dec 03rd 2001
7
Nyame nwu na mawu
Dec 04th 2001
13
Optimism and Patience
Dec 03rd 2001
10
RE: Optimism and Patience
NeTeR
Dec 06th 2001
29
Ashanti (Asante)
Dec 04th 2001
14
Art of War (Ashanti version)
Dec 04th 2001
15
fire & gunpowder?
Dec 04th 2001
16
Necessity...
Dec 04th 2001
17
      Sounds like...
Jan 02nd 2002
88
also
Dec 04th 2001
18
Money and the Power...
Dec 05th 2001
21
Fools
Dec 05th 2001
22
One more (Ashante)
Dec 05th 2001
23
...
Dec 06th 2001
31
Speech
Dec 07th 2001
38
Knowing
Dec 10th 2001
46
Beauty of a Woman
Dec 10th 2001
47
PERMANENCE OF DEEDS OF DISTINCTION
Dec 13th 2001
57
Ashanti (Asante)
Jan 19th 2002
136
destiny
Dec 10th 2001
52
AKAN PROTOCOL
Jan 08th 2002
102
Hospitality
Jan 08th 2002
103
i love you
Jan 08th 2002
104
Me daa se
Jan 08th 2002
106
      RE: kemetian wo te twi?
Jan 25th 2002
144
Hence,
Feb 02nd 2002
163
      RE: Hence,
Feb 03rd 2002
165
           Well....
Feb 04th 2002
167
Generosity
Jan 08th 2002
105
      Yep
Jan 08th 2002
107
      that vege trap
Jan 14th 2002
114
      only happens once
Jan 14th 2002
113
Honesty
Jan 10th 2002
109
RE: Honesty
Jan 10th 2002
110
      hahahahahahha
Jan 14th 2002
115
           Fafanto
Jan 15th 2002
117
                Me daa se
Jan 15th 2002
121
yo solarus...
Jan 14th 2002
116
      Not a professor yet
Jan 15th 2002
118
           Also
Jan 15th 2002
119
                kmt'n is wack..her name should be
Jan 15th 2002
120
                     Those are fighting words
Jan 15th 2002
122
                     Thats only cause niggaz like
Mar 08th 2002
196
                     your wish is my command
ZULUQUEEN
Jan 15th 2002
123
                          btw
Jan 16th 2002
126
                          no diggity
Mar 08th 2002
198
                          hahahaa
Mar 08th 2002
197
p'raverbs are the palm-oil with which words are eaten.
Dec 02nd 2001
5
odo nyera fie kwan
Dec 02nd 2001
6
I like this one
Dec 03rd 2001
8
^
Dec 03rd 2001
9
up.
Dec 03rd 2001
12
a proverb...
Dec 04th 2001
19
ok
Dec 04th 2001
20
Cameroon
Dec 05th 2001
24
      RE: Cameroon
Dec 05th 2001
25
patrice lumumba...
Dec 05th 2001
26
RE: patrice lumumba...
Dec 05th 2001
27
RE: patrice lumumba...
NeTeR
Dec 06th 2001
30
      yeah, in february...
Dec 06th 2001
32
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
NeTeR
Dec 06th 2001
28
Upsy-daisy n/m
Dec 06th 2001
33
U don't have to ^ it
Dec 06th 2001
34
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Dec 07th 2001
35
Buganda
Dec 07th 2001
36
Speech
Dec 07th 2001
37
Reference
Dec 07th 2001
39
Fear
Dec 08th 2001
40
Faith+Personal Effort
Dec 09th 2001
43
Bloodshot Eyes
Dec 09th 2001
44
When the cat's away...
Dec 10th 2001
45
Focus
Dec 11th 2001
53
Begging
Dec 12th 2001
54
      Hmmmm....
Feb 01st 2002
161
there are no crossroads in the ears.
Dec 08th 2001
41
anger and patience
Dec 09th 2001
42
for the chickenheads
Dec 10th 2001
48
RE: for the chickenheads
Dec 10th 2001
49
      mmhmm
Dec 10th 2001
51
Mandinka
Dec 10th 2001
50
?? Settling Disagreements
Dec 13th 2001
55
RE: ?? Settling Disagreements
Dec 24th 2001
75
This is a great post
Dec 13th 2001
56
Hausa
Dec 14th 2001
58
Reflection of Self
Dec 14th 2001
59
Another Reflection of Self
Dec 14th 2001
60
Prevention
Dec 15th 2001
61
Prosperity
Dec 17th 2001
62
a variation:
Feb 12th 2002
173
Immersion
Dec 18th 2001
63
RE: Immersion
Jan 02nd 2002
89
      Interesting
Jan 02nd 2002
92
Preparation
Dec 18th 2001
64
Experience
Dec 18th 2001
65
Self-Reliance
Dec 20th 2001
66
A Woman's Worth
Dec 21st 2001
67
Don't Ask 4 2 Much
Jan 30th 2002
157
some more:
Feb 12th 2002
174
Yoruba
Dec 22nd 2001
68
Secrecy
Dec 22nd 2001
69
Mastering, Peace and (being careful with what you say)
Dec 23rd 2001
70
See Post 57
Dec 23rd 2001
73
RE: Mastering, Peace and (being careful with what you say)
Jan 02nd 2002
90
      Yeah
Jan 02nd 2002
93
a good thing to know :)
Dec 23rd 2001
71
RE: a good thing to know :)
Mar 16th 2002
206
About yoruba proverbs, sentances and riddles
Dec 23rd 2001
72
RE: About yoruba proverbs, sentances and riddles
Dec 24th 2001
74
RE: Yoruba
Dec 25th 2001
76
Deeds, Not Words
Dec 26th 2001
79
Disobedience
Dec 27th 2001
81
Yoruba Math
Dec 27th 2001
82
Elders
Dec 28th 2001
84
Friendship
Dec 30th 2001
85
Wisdom
Dec 31st 2001
86
Know Your Weaknesses
Jan 02nd 2002
87
Comparable "Simply Wonderful" Post?
Jan 02nd 2002
95
Dissatisfaction
Jan 04th 2002
97
Polygamy
Jan 04th 2002
98
Community
Jan 04th 2002
99
Lying
Jan 07th 2002
101
Slow Down (c) Brand Nubian
Jan 09th 2002
108
Courage
Mar 05th 2002
195
lesson
Dec 25th 2001
77
RE: lesson
Dec 26th 2001
78
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Dec 27th 2001
80
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Dec 28th 2001
83
RE: education
Jan 29th 2002
150
Simply Wonderful
Jan 02nd 2002
91
That's Deep
Jan 02nd 2002
94
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Jan 02nd 2002
96
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Jan 06th 2002
100
Wolof
Jan 14th 2002
111
Persistence
Jan 14th 2002
112
RE: Persistence
Jan 15th 2002
124
      U'd better
Jan 17th 2002
129
           aaaaaaaahhhhhhh...clarity
Mar 20th 2002
209
Slow Down II?
Jan 16th 2002
125
Adapting to the Situation
Jan 16th 2002
127
Ya Feel Me?
Jan 17th 2002
128
Full a big speech but di backitive...?
Jan 17th 2002
130
Parents are the 1st Teachers
Jan 18th 2002
131
Power in Numbers
Jan 19th 2002
133
Afrikan Therapy
Jan 22nd 2002
138
EverwantingtowanttoKnow
Jan 22nd 2002
139
that says it all right there!
Jan 22nd 2002
140
Reflection of Self III
Jan 23rd 2002
141
Could be Worse
Jan 24th 2002
142
Know Your Limitations
Jan 25th 2002
143
Resilience
Jan 27th 2002
145
oooh
Jan 27th 2002
146
      Multiple Interpretations
Jan 28th 2002
147
           no doubt
Jan 28th 2002
148
Watch yaself!
Feb 02nd 2002
162
here's a ersource:
Jan 19th 2002
132
yeah
Jan 19th 2002
134
Purpose:
Jan 19th 2002
135
Kanga Writings
Jan 19th 2002
137
another Yoruba proverb...
Jan 29th 2002
149
Shona
Jan 30th 2002
151
Precision
Jan 30th 2002
152
Count your Blessings
Jan 30th 2002
153
Count More Blessings
Feb 01st 2002
160
More Info
Jan 30th 2002
154
Leadership
Jan 30th 2002
155
Proverbs
Jan 30th 2002
156
Malidoma Some:Soulstice
Jan 30th 2002
158
Hospitality
Jan 31st 2002
159
Value has no Distance
Feb 04th 2002
166
Family Support
Feb 05th 2002
168
Old-Age Insurance
Feb 06th 2002
169
Anything Can Happen
Feb 08th 2002
170
Hard Work leads to Success
Feb 10th 2002
171
Connections
Feb 12th 2002
172
RE: UNITY****
Feb 03rd 2002
164
Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
175
RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
176
RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
177
RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
178
RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
179
RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia
Feb 13th 2002
180
Dahomey
Feb 14th 2002
181
Some Dahomean Proverbs
Feb 14th 2002
182
Esikongo
Feb 15th 2002
183
Unmoved
Feb 15th 2002
184
Do unto others...
Feb 19th 2002
185
You are who You are
Feb 21st 2002
186
Do unto others...(rewind)
Feb 28th 2002
191
Communalism
Feb 25th 2002
187
RE: Communalism
Feb 25th 2002
188
RE: Communalism
Feb 25th 2002
189
Communalism II
Feb 27th 2002
190
Revenge
Mar 01st 2002
193
Habit
Mar 05th 2002
194
Never Enough
Mar 11th 2002
201
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Feb 28th 2002
192
Some proverbs and sayings of the Ganda
Mar 08th 2002
199
RE: Some proverbs and sayings of the Ganda
Mar 08th 2002
200
A-Gikuyu
Mar 13th 2002
202
Brain over Brawn
Mar 13th 2002
203
Fools
Mar 14th 2002
204
Fear
Mar 16th 2002
205
The Innocents
Mar 20th 2002
207
RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors
Mar 20th 2002
208

Solarus
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Sat Dec-01-01 04:02 PM

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1. "Akan"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Akwaaba

The Akan people are largely found in Ghana comprising about one-half of the population. A diverse number of groups are part of the Akan people including the Bono, Guan, Fate, Denkyira, Twifo, Akwamu, Akuapem, Adanse, Akyem, Nzema, Wassa, Asante, among others. They are the descendants of the ancient empire of Ghana that was located north of the present-day country of Ghana in the area of present day Mali/Mauratania.

The Akan are the originators of the Adinkra symbols that have very significant meanings to the Akan worldview and cosmology. These symbols were traditionally placed on the funerary cloths of the deceased but are now widespread across Ghana to convey traditional proverbs and values.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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Solarus
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2. "Children"
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Akwaaba

"If a hen reads on her young ones, it does not mean to kill them."

This proverb accompanies a stylistic symbol of a hen's footprint. It is a symbol of parental discipline and protectiveness. It also exposes a fundamental value of see

"No child is born with teeth."

This proverb is also an adinkra symbol that is stylistically depicted as teeth and a tongue. This proverb/symbol means that essentially all things grow and improve from wherever they may be.


SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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poetx
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11. "~treads~ n/m"
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good post.

peace & blessings,

x.

peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

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I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

  

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kemetian
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3. "Wisdom"
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"The knot tied by a wiseman cannot be undone by a fool."

The symbol of this proverb is that of a knot and is sometimes a goldweight. Ghana is also known as the "Gold Coast." This proverb says the leader's right to his higher position is by virtue of his greater wisdom.

"Wisdom is like a baobab tree; a single person's hand cannot embrace it."

The baobab tree is known for being very large with a very wide trunk. It is often the site of story-telling, or the passing on of wisdom. This metaphor explains that human wisdom is so great that it would be presumptuous and arrogant of a single individual to claim to have mastered it all.

Note: comparable to former sig, a teaching of Ptahhotep, coming soon.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong with an education/socialization process that leaves us ignorant of our past, strangers to our people, apes of our oppressors, and creatures of habitual, shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Solarus
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4. "Interdependence"
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Akwaaba

"One head does not constitute a Council."

Simply put, "Two head are better than one."

"We are linked together like a chain; we are linked in life; we are linked in death; wo/men who share a common blood relation never break away from one another."

This stresses that every person contributes to the success/failure of their family/community.

"The left hand washes the right and the right hand washes the left."

The left hand cannot wash itself neither can the right hand wash itself, but when the hands wash each other, they become clean. Cooperation and mutual helpfulness are the sine qua non of individual welfare and moreover, they make possible the achievement of undertakings which might appear to be difficult, if not impossible.


"One hand cannot lift a (heavy) load."

A heavy responsibility must not be borne by one person. Collective action (cooperation) makes for light work.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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Ananse
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7. "Invincibility of Death and the Power of God to Overcome Death"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

Nyame boo owuo na owuo kum Nyame; na Nyame na ote nanka aduro nti odii owuo so nkonim.

One Interpretation:
God created death and death killed God; yet the Eternal One also created the antidote to the venom of death, and God,therefore, overcame death.


<--- Peace to Bayete Ross-Smith.

  

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kemetian
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13. "Nyame nwu na mawu"
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

If Nyame (God) dies, then I may die.
Perpetual Existence
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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kemetian
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10. "Optimism and Patience"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

"Although the snake does not fly, it has caught the hornbill, whose home is in the sky."


According to legend, the hornbill was deeply indebted to the snake but did not pay its debts because it reasoned that it could always fly away if the snake tried to catch it. This tactic was successful until it got careless one day and the snake, which had been quietly and patiently for just this opportunity, caught it.



Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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NeTeR

Thu Dec-06-01 10:46 AM

  
29. "RE: Optimism and Patience"
In response to Reply # 10


          

Peace
I enjoy reading your relies you should post and spread more of you energy.
Peace

  

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Solarus
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14. "Ashanti (Asante)"
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Akwaaba

(From http://www.ghanadata.com/overview/history/2336.htm)

The word Ashanti comes from the phrase 'Osa Nti', meaning 'For the sake of war'. It was first used by one of the kings of the Denkyiras to refer to the group which formed a union to resist his sovereignty.

The Ashanti state was established in 1701, from an alliance of states which defeated the Denkyira at Feyiase. The victorious alliance came to be referred to as the Asante Aman Nnum, the Five Ashanti States. At the centre of the alliance was the Kumasi state, ruled by Osei Tutu who played a key role in the future of the Ashantis.

Up to the reign of Kwaku Dua Panin, Kumasi increased its power at the expense of the surrounding provinces. This was achieved mainly by the development of an administrative structure based in Kumasi. Simultaneous with the increasing power of the central state in Kumasi was the increase in territory controlled by the State.

The most important symbol of the Ashanti Kingdom, 'Sika Dwa' meaning Golden Stool, was conjured by Okomfo Anokye at a gathering of Ashanti Chiefs. He decreed that the Golden Stool was the embodiment of the soul of the Ashanti nation and only the king of Kumasi could rule this new Kingdom. If the Golden Stool is ever captured, the Ashanti would lose its power and disintegrate into chaos, Okomfo Anokye warned. All stools and articles of power predating the Golden Stool were destroyed and new stools were created for all the other chiefs to confirm their subordinate status.

The Ashanti empire grew to control an area similar in size to modern Ghana. The exact boundaries of this area, like relations within the Ashanti states was poorly defined. It covered a variety of territories, many of which had very little in common.

The territorial extension of Ashanti was achieved through military conquest. Between 1715 and 1721, it fought the Aowin, the Wassa and the Twifo, who stood in the way of Ashanti access to the coast. In 1742, Ashanti armies invaded Accra and imposed Ashanti overrule over the Ga. Parts of Gonga, to the north of Kumasi were attacked in 1732-33 and Gyaman was invaded in 1740. The major invasion of the northeast, however, was in 1744-45, when Dagomba was invaded. After the first half of the eighteenth century, Ashanti expansion continued at a slower pace till the early nineteenth century, when the state was at the height of its power.

From 1826 to 1900, the British fought a series of campaigns against the Ashantis, whose kingdom was located inland. To settle the Ashanti problem permanently, the British invaded Ashanti with a sizeable military force. The attack, which was launched in January 1874 by 2,500 British soldiers and large numbers of African auxiliaries, resulted in the occupation and burning of Kumasi, the Ashanti capital.

The subsequent peace treaty required the Ashanti to renounce any claim to many southern territories. The Ashantis also had to keep the road to Kumasi open to trade. From this point on, Ashanti power steadily declined. The confederation slowly disintegrated as subject territories broke away and as protected regions defected to British rule. The enforcement of the treaty led to recurring difficulties and outbreaks of fighting. In 1896 the British dispatched another expedition that again occupied Kumasi and that forced Ashanti to become a protectorate of the British Crown. The position of Ashanti Hene (Chief of the Ashantis) was abolished and the incumbent was exiled.

The core of the Ashanti federation accepted these terms grudgingly. In 1900 the Ashanti rebelled again but were defeated the next year, and in 1902 the British proclaimed Ashanti a colony under the jurisdiction of the governor of the Gold Coast. The annexation was made with misgivings and recriminations on both sides. With Ashanti subdued and annexed, British colonisation of the region became a reality.


SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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15. "Art of War (Ashanti version)"
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Akwaaba

Being that the Akan people who formulated the Ashanti confederation did so through political organization and military might, Ashanti proverbs often reflect the deep truths necessary for the warrior.

****
"Rain beats a leopard's skin, but it does not wash out the spots."
One must be unwavering to all distractions in life.

"The ruin of a nation begins in the homes of its people."
This can be taken literally but i think its also symbolic in that the whole is only as good as the most basic unit. So for a warrior (martial artist) the most basic movements is where true power stems.


"When the cock is drunk, he forgets about the hawk."
Warning against unpreparedness.


"Even though he old man is strong and heartly, he will not live forever."
Physical life is impermanent.

"It is the calm and silent water that drowns a man."
The subtle, gentle, flexible way rather than FORCE is always more powerful.

"Two small antelopes can beat a big one."
Strength lies in numbers or unity.

"Fire and gunpowder do not sleep together."

? I understand this one to a point but don't think I can explain it well. Any takers?


SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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16. "fire & gunpowder?"
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sounds like you need both of those to acheive a desired end (bang!), but you don't bring them together until you need them.

a little shaky, but this could pertain to having allies who are mutual enemies. or it can also be an admonition to not take a particular action before the time is right b/c the consequences are unavoidable and irreversible.


peace & blessings,

x.


January is Kool Keith quote month, for lack of anything else:

"I never hearda you stupid, what's your name man??"

"Rappers don't know, I'm out the hospital/
cold buggin' and illin' like Dr. Doolittle"

"I'll chew your ass like monkeys on Wild Kingdom"

"you call yourself GOD, can you make it rain?/
can you tell me now what I'm thinkin' in my brain?"

"under your arms, you're kickin power and musty"

"word to mom, I'm in my own world.../
galaxy raaaaaays... powerful"

peace & blessings,

x.

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17. "Necessity..."
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makes for strange bedfellows. Sounds like a predecessor to that. Both are necessary for a desired result but are too volatile to keep constant company...

<--- Peace to Bayete Ross-Smith.

  

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88. "Sounds like..."
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two evils can not sleep together. Which reminds me of my grandmother saying to 'never go to bed on an argument'. However, that might be a harsh way of looking at it.



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18. "also"
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it can deal with
not bringing together two elements
that you know to be volatile together
with the expectation that they will not be volatile
because
in the end
a thing can only be itself

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am i the meanest
...sho nuff
am i the prettiest
...sho nuff
am i the baddest mo fo low down around this town
...sho nuff
who am i
...sho nuff
WHO AM I
...sho nuff
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
...SHO NUFF
---the shogun of harlem

"The hell I ain't neither...I even ain ga do it! I REFUSE!!!"
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21. "Money and the Power..."
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Akwaaba

"...money and the power, I ain't goin broke cuz I got money and the power."- Geto Boys

As mentioned before the Ashanti was a confederation of Akan people with a highly structured political design. In order to maintain any large centralized cohesive society, a highly organized economical structure will be established. Therefore many Ashanti proverbs reflect issues of money and financial/political power.

***
"Hunger is felt by a slave and hunger is felt by a king."
Despite the differences among classes, all persons are still human and thereby have the same needs.

"When a good king has good counselors, his reign is peaceful."
A leadership role is not one independent from others. Many minds must work together to lead. This proverb is related to a previously stated proverb which probably also stems from the Ashanti: "One head does not constitute a Council."

"The poor man and the rich man do not play together."
The possession (or dispossession) of wealth often causes class differences. Considering the centralized structure of the Ashanti confederation this would have definitely reigned true but in more decentralized and stateless societies (e.g. Ibo, Kikuyu) this would not always be the case.

"One cannot both feast and become rich."
Establishing wealth takes alot of hard work and effort.

"When a man is wealthy, he may wear an old cloth."
I think this is related to the above. But it also implies that having material wealth is not something that needs to be publicly displayed.

"It is no shame at all to work for money."
Self-expanatory.

"Money is sharper than a sword."
Financial might is a greater source of power than is physical might.

"When you are rich, you are hated; when you are poor, you are despised."
Self-Explanatory. Reminds me of the Black Elite vs Black Poor argument.


SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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22. "Fools"
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Here are some proverbs on fools or those lacking intelligence. It should be noted that intelligence does not necessarily mean having a command over a particular domain of knowledge, rather it is the lack of understanding that one never has complete command over a particular domain of knowledge or all domains that makes one a fool. Therefore one should seek knowledge and apply it, constantly.

"When the fool is told a proverb, it has to be explained to him."

"It is the fool's sheep that break loose twice."

"By the time the fool has learned the game, the players have dispersed."



Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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23. "One more (Ashante)"
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No one tests the depth of a river with both feet.

<--- Peace to Bayete Ross-Smith.

  

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31. "..."
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"You must act as if it is impossible to fail."- Ashanti Proverb

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38. "Speech"
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A lie can annihilate a thousand truths.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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46. "Knowing"
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These proverbs say that you should have knowledge of a particular domain (preferably through experience) before you speak on it.

"It is the wife who knows her husband."

"Only when you have crossed the river, can you say the crocodile has a lump on his snout."

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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47. "Beauty of a Woman"
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"When a woman is hungry, she says, "Roast something for the children that they may eat."

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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57. "PERMANENCE OF DEEDS OF DISTINCTION"
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as well as BRAVERY AND HEROIC DEEDS, GLORIOUS ACCOMPLISHMENT, and DURABILITY

as taken from: http://www.marshall.edu/akanart/abrammoo_abramobe.html

From the proverb: Akyem tete a, eka ne mmeramu.   

Literal translation: When a shield wears out, the framework still remains.   
The good deeds of people live after them.
This symbolizes bravery as well as the durability and the enduring nature of the distinguished deeds of a great person.
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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136. "Ashanti (Asante)"
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http://cogweb.ucla.edu/Discourse/Proverbs/Ashanti.html

Peace

Red, Black, Green

  

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52. "destiny"
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if one is destined to die by the gun, he will not die from the arrow.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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102. "AKAN PROTOCOL"
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Agoo! (May I have your attention? pronun. - Ah'go)

(your response hopefully would be Amee - you have my attention pronun. - Ah'mae)

Akan Protocol is based on three major elements: Spirituality, Respect and Humility. Akan spirituality is built into the community and is a way of life. The social values of the Akan are supported by the spirituality. TRespect is another aspect that is taught form cradle to grave. Respect for authority, position, the elderly, the spiritual, the mysterious and the sacred is strict tradition. There is no on in the Akan family who is greater that Onyame (Almighty God), the Abosom (deities) or the Nsamanfo (the ancestors). Thus the concept of one's ego being so great that humility is lost is one that is not tolerated among the Akan. Every Akan including the Asantehenne (King of the Akans) and lower must show humility. In fact it is one of the qualifying attributes for an esteemed position.

The above was taken from the book of the same name by Nana Akua Kyerewaa. The proverbs below deal with aspects of Akan protocol and are also taken from this book.

************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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103. "Hospitality"
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1. A stranger does not sleep in the street.

2. A visitor 2 days; on the third give him a broom.


Hospitality in Ghana can be compared to Southern hospitality in the U.S. and is welcomed when travelling aorund Ghana. If you greet a person, the greeting is returned. If you stop and need a drink of water, you will be served the best cup or glass and drink the coldest water that is available. If you indicate that you are hungry, food will be provided. If you need directions, in all likelihood not only will you receive directions but someone will literally take you to the place (i, Kemetian, noticed this in alot of the countries that were visited in the Amazing Race).

Hospitality is the pride of Ghana. Guests are given priority in every Ghanian home. No thought is give to how a stranger, acquaintance, family or friend is to be treated when visiting. The host must devote his time and energy into making the person feel comfortable. There is always room for one more place at the table and another resting place in the home which they are visiting. The only criteria that the author detected is that the visitor come open, honest and with good intentions. Treament of the visitor must be so good that the visitor leave praises for the host.


************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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104. "i love you"
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106. "Me daa se"
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altho' i am like so late w/ this it's not even funny. then again, time is relative back Home sooo...

************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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144. "RE: kemetian wo te twi?"
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:)

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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163. "Hence,"
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the greeting, "Akwaaba".


>>The
>only criteria that the author
>detected is that the visitor
>come open, honest and with
>good intentions. Treament of
>the visitor must be so
>good that the visitor leave
>praises for the host.

"Next to God we are indebted to Afrikan women, first for
giving us life and secondly for making that life worth
living." -Mary Mc Leod Bethune

"Don't Hate the PLAYA Boy...hate the GAME," Granddad Freeman of the Boondocks(7-11-99)

*Twenty-three percent of women are "autoerotic singles" — they prefer to achieve sexual satisfaction alone(source-bet.com)

*If U have won a Grammy, one of two things are at play: 1. Your shit is TIGHT
2. U are white
-(Me)

"'Cuz U answer the phone 'peace' that means U not a freak?"-The Questions(c) Common


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

  

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165. "RE: Hence,"
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aint that solarus thang?

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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167. "Well...."
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he did not make the phrase up PERSONALLY, but he does use it in some of his posts, I believe.


"Next to God we are indebted to Afrikan women, first for
giving us life and secondly for making that life worth
living." -Mary Mc Leod Bethune

"Don't Hate the PLAYA Boy...hate the GAME," Granddad Freeman of the Boondocks(7-11-99)

*Twenty-three percent of women are "autoerotic singles" — they prefer to achieve sexual satisfaction alone(source-bet.com)

*If U have won a Grammy, one of two things are at play: 1. Your shit is TIGHT
2. U are white
-(Me)

"'Cuz U answer the phone 'peace' that means U not a freak?"-The Questions(c) Common


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

  

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105. "Generosity"
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1. The tortoise says: The hand goes and the hand comes.

Every Akan is expected to do good whenevr he or she ahs the opportunity to do so. This would include giftgiving, feeding a person, taking care of an elderly person, giving money to someone who needs it, etc. Akan thought is that if a person keeps everything to himself, eventually it can be stolen or destroyed. Therefore it is best to share the wealth no matter how small it may be.

Gift giving to Ghanaians is very improtant because affection and friendship are attached to the act. Sometimes the person may appear to be very poor or under immense hardship. This sometimes causes the intended recipient to decline this act of generosity. However, it wouldbe quite offensive to thedonor; it disgraces him. Remember, you can always find ways to compensate the donor at a later time to supplement what yoy feel they have lost.

One day i, Kemetian, was visiting a Colombian lady that lived in our building. i and all the other kids in the building used to call her "abuelita" because of her warm nature, and the fact that she took care of many us when we were babies and well.. we didn't know her name, that's what her grandson w/ whom we used to play called her so it was good enough for us. she didn't speak english so it was an opportunity para practicar mi espanol. well she offered me some tea, and i refused because i had just eaten and i didn't want her to go to any trouble. and even tho' she keep insisting (u think i would've got the point, i tell u, nothin' worse than a hard-headed kid) i still refused, determined not to let her have to do that. anyway she made the tea and drank it while we talked. that evening i learnt that i had insulted her. i'm embarassed until this day every time i think about it. pays to know protocol!

Peace.
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with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


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107. "Yep"
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Akwaaba

mi grandfadda was mad at me for years when i became vegetarian because he was insulted that i wouldn't eat his food anymore (except for his arroz con frijoles jamaica which he stopped making as often). Then he resorted to giving big jars of cashews after i saw he had some and asked for a few. No he's happy and i'm happy

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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114. "that vege trap"
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i know it well

it's part of the reason why i started eating fish


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113. "only happens once"
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i messed up with a sticka licorice once

always take a LITTLE bit


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DomePoem Poets; redefining the third dimension of spoken word

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109. "Honesty"
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Akwaaba

"The butterfly may be fluttering around a pot of palm wine, but will not drink it, for it cannot afford to buy."

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

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110. "RE: Honesty"
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i'ma need a further break down of this one.
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
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witness your action and
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115. "hahahahahahha"
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honesty, huh



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117. "Fafanto"
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Akwaaba

This means "butterfly" and is an adinkra symbol representing gentleness, tenderness and honesty. While the above proverb can have various interpretations, it represents "honesty" through the because a butterfly does not "steal" the palm wine. Although the butterfly flutters around the palm wine, it never drinks it. The butterfly has no money and thus could not "pay" for the wine, therefore the butterfly's abstinence from drinking the wine metaphorically shows its "honesty."

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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121. "Me daa se"
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Shemhotep
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"If the essence of 'love'... is giving selflessly or sacrificing for others, how can it then be equated with something that you can 'fall into or out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen, Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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116. "yo solarus..."
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are you a professor...or like..what...your like the smartest muthafucka(when it comes to afrikan shit) on the planet...at least on this planet called okayplayer....your the man!

  

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118. "Not a professor yet"
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Akwaaba

I'm just a poor, starving grad student TA who needs to focus more so he can get out of school and DO SOMETHING!

I ain't that smart, I just listens and observes well (on occasion). But thanks anyway.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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119. "Also"
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Akwaaba

i know how to take advantage of OUR strengths (Two heads are better than one.):

kemetian- i lay at her feet.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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120. "kmt'n is wack..her name should be"
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ZULU QUEEN....if the Zulu's would of battle any of those kmtic dynaties the zulu's would of won..the kmt'ns couldnt fight off anyone..arabs invaded,greeks,romans etc etc....and lord knows how many niggaz kicked they ass...kmt gets no props...

  

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122. "Those are fighting words"
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Akwaaba

If you diss kemetian then you are dissing me. Without her this post would not exist, I would not exist.

Besides

"if the Zulu's would of battle any of those kmtic dynaties the zulu's would of won" - possibly, but his is only speculation

"the kmt'ns couldnt fight off anyone..arabs invaded,greeks,romans etc etc....and lord knows how many niggaz kicked they ass...kmt gets no props..." - actually KMT thrived for THOUSANDS of years surviving NUMEROUS invasions while the Zulus were usually the aggressors under Chaka. Also the Zulu nation only existed as a nation for no less than a hundred years (1808-1878) and chaka zulu was aided by Europeans in conquering, killing and torturing several other Afrikan groups. In short, KMT gets more props than zulus ever will.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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196. "Thats only cause niggaz like"
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you who dont have one drop of egyptian blood are always biggin up egypt...fuck egypt cuz, ZULU's was ridahs...they still ridah'z...

  

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123. "your wish is my command"
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;-)

  

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126. "btw"
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Solarus is very modest. This post was wholly his idea i just hopped along for the ride. and he is that smart.
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Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
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198. "no diggity"
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i know the nigga is smart...i just think he has a thumb in his ass sometimes...not as big as the thumb up dre allah's ass...but a thumb none the less

  

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197. "hahahaa"
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5. "p'raverbs are the palm-oil with which words are eaten."
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this self-reflexive ibo proverb speaks of the 'pragmatically verbose' speaking style found in many african cultures. our metaphoric maxims are not to merely accent our messages, but to give them substance in addition (as evidenced by this thread).

the quote is taken from chinua achebe's "things fall apart"

*****¡I AM! ¿ARE YOU?*****

QUOTABLES CIRCA 1984:
1)"orthodoxy is unconsciousness."-syme.
2)"who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."-party slogan.
3)"perhaps a lunatic was simply a minority of one."-winston smith.
4)"the heresy of heresies was common sense."-narrator.
5)"until they (the proles) become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious."-winston

THAT'S THEIR WORD:
1)"swimming the channels of life/we're orators of rhyme, handlin' mics/ tip-toeing through the corridors of your mind with candlelight." talib kweli. "respiration (flying high mix)".
2)"we ain't vote to get into this shit, so we won't vote to get out." welfare poets. "the bullet".
3)"i don't hate players: i hate the mayors." sticman. "cop shot".
4)"promoting everything from the liquor to the nicotine/cell phones, antihistamines, chicken wings/you gotta show a little skin to keep 'em listening/fa real yo, the world is a sex machine." blackthought. "pussy galore".
5)"it's me against housing...no disrespect, my metaphors'll keep me out the projects." ghostface killah/superb. "ghost deini". (peace to TheWallyChamp for sonnin' me on the malquotation)

SNDTRK:
1)"a toast to the people". gil scott-heron/brian jackson.(the revolution won't be televised, but it does have theme music)
2)"sometimes". bilal.(post-extinction agenda stress relief)
3)"i am the black gold of the sun". rotary connection; nuyorican soul.(every version of this song radiates abstract pro-blackness)
4)"creole". charlie hunter quartet f/mos def.(¡frank sinatra ain't got no soul/mos def sounds like nat king cole!)
5)"time's up". oc.("you lack the minerals and vitamins/irons and the niacin/fuck who that i offend"-'nuff said)

okay p'ra verbs. GIVING YOU TRUE TRUTH SINCE...¿WHAT TIME IT IS?

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6. "odo nyera fie kwan"
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akan proverb

love lights it's own path, it does not get lost on its way home

i have the adinkra symbol that is associated with this tattooed on my ankle

yourba proverbs from odu egi ogbe

when we arrive in a cool place let us rest fully

daylight does not endure beyond it's usual time
night does not last beyond its regular limit
and darkness does not continue beyond what is customary

from ogunda ogbe

no day is so far away that it never comes

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am i the meanest
...sho nuff
am i the prettiest
...sho nuff
am i the baddest mo fo low down around this town
...sho nuff
who am i
...sho nuff
WHO AM I
...sho nuff
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
...SHO NUFF
---the shogun of harlem

"The hell I ain't neither...I even ain ga do it! I REFUSE!!!"
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8. "I like this one"
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>no day is so far away
>that it never comes


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9. "^"
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^

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12. "up."
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peace & blessings,

x.


peace & blessings,

x.

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19. "a proverb..."
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A kunle, a yan eda
A daye tan
Oju nkan ni

"we knelt and chose our destiny and we came to the earth and became impatient".

this is a Yoruba proverb used for people who become impatient with life and a perceived lack of blessings. Therefore, it is wrong for us to not allow the ancestors to guide us and to use our ori(head/intuition) to live a life of iwa pele (life of good character.) so that we can have suuru (patience).

peace!
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"Man was born free and is everywhere in chains."--Rousseau

"Afraid is a country with no exit visa."--Audre Lorde

  

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20. "ok"
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i wish u would quit callin me out. we're supposed to be friends.

Shemhotep
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"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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24. "Cameroon"
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Unfortunately, I don't have a nation/ethnicity to associate with these proverbs, so if anyone can help please do.

He who asks questions, cannot avoid the answers.

By trying often, the monkey learns to jump from the tree.

The heart of the wise man lies quiet like limpid water.

Thought breaks the heart.


"...these kats drink champagne and toast death and pain like slaves on a ship talkin' 'bout who go the flyest chain!" -Talib Kweli

<--- Peace to Bayete Ross-Smith.

  

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25. "RE: Cameroon"
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People of Cameroon include Bamileke, Fang, Funlani, Kirdi and whole host of other people. So many languages are spoken there it's not funny, but a formal summary should be coming soon.

There are some very good (i'm sure) proverbs at this site for Bamileke people. Unfortunately, i can't read french.
http://www.bamileke.com/Newfolder/indextest.htm

i tried this site: http://www.systransoft.com/

but it didn't come out all too well. Plus the proverbs themselves aren't in french only the explanations.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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26. "patrice lumumba..."
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had a p'raverb that supported his nationalism...i can't quote it verbatim, but "the hand that gives is the hand that rules" is the gist of it.

i know he was congolese (or born in what was formerly known as zaire) but i'm not sure of the nationality of him or the p'raverb.

¿anyone know better than me?


*****¡I AM! ¿ARE YOU?*****

p'raverbs=poetic+ra+verbs=¿wtf?=my emcee name (that used to sound fresh) from my high school cipher days=cornball=my nommo.

p'raverbs is bond.

p'raverbs are the palm-oil with which words are eaten.

it's a p'raverbial jungle out there.

more p'raverbalisms: ¡COMING SOON!

okayp'raverbs. GIVING YOU TRUE TRUTH SINCE...¿WHAT TIME IT IS?

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27. "RE: patrice lumumba..."
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some more Yoruba proverbs/lessons in life:

Atunwe/atunwi is the Yoruba term associated with incarnation.

Lesson:
Knowing what you do in this world prepares those who come after us. More specifically, to give birth is the highest from of worship or homage to those who’ve come before us.

Also in Yoruba world:
There is no belief that things (knowledge) can be lost because spirit is eternal. (e.g. predispositions/personalities reflect this.)

peace and blessings!
lidawg



"u never know, u might be closer to the truth than u think. people wear their stories on their backs. u just have to know how to read them.--LexM

"Man, use shuffle cuz sometimes a cd's playlist can fk up a cd"--me

"Man was born free and is everywhere in chains."--Rousseau

"Afraid is a country with no exit visa."--Audre Lorde

  

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Thu Dec-06-01 10:49 AM

  
30. "RE: patrice lumumba..."
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Peace,
Have you seen the film Lumumba? It has not been out long in the states, and it's only at limited theaters. It was well done, and very informative.

  

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32. "yeah, in february..."
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it got me just as heated as malcolm x, i think more so.

ones and twos.

*****¡I AM! ¿ARE YOU?*****

p'raverbs=poetic+ra+verbs=¿wtf?=my emcee name (that used to sound fresh) from my high school cipher days=cornball=my nommo.

p'raverbs is bond.

p'raverbs are the palm-oil with which words are eaten.

it's a p'raverbial jungle out there.

more p'raverbalisms: ¡COMING SOON!

okayp'raverbs. GIVING YOU TRUE TRUTH SINCE...¿WHAT TIME IT IS?

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28. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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Peace,

I'm pushing this up so that more people can see it.

Peace

  

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33. "Upsy-daisy n/m"
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^*********^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"americans are gross!" -utamaroho

Uplifting thoughts:

"We are the end result of our ancestors prayers as they died. We you are the sum total of their answered prayers."

"I am because we are; we are because I am."

"falling in love with somebody's soul...their essence their personality their walk their talk the way they speak and smile...no matter what the physical outer body is..male or female...is a temptation i hope i am never foolish enough to resist." - Hot Damali



____________


"When the revolution comes, "faggots" won't be so funny." - The Last Poets

** Most people mis-read this line. I don't think he is being homophobic. I think he's making sure you folks know, within our communities, those of you who laugh at

  

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34. "U don't have to ^ it"
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It's not going anywhere. Promise.
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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35. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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Parables of Ra

Parables serve the purpose of saving time as well as giving the reader the opportunity to toss the idea around in their head. Often, the reader will extract out of the parable exactly what they need to hear. Parables have the unique characteristic of being seen in many different ways, they also often confer mystical secrets without actually revealing them. In truth, no one can reveal anything to another, just as NO ONE CAN GIVE YOU WISDOM. However, a sincere teacher leads the student to the threshold of their own understanding. Enjoy & be lifted!!

Only the asker can truly answer the question.

*instead of seking from without, put trust and confidence on one's own abilities

He who knocks, is he who truly opens the door.

*the moment YOU begin searching, YOU start the process. reminds me of a scene in Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story where he drops a pebble on the ground to symbolize the initiation of his plans to build his first school. If you drop a peeble in a pond soon the ripples cover the whole pond...

The world is confused because you are.

*self explanatory. lack of understanding of the environment rests in ones own inability to see clearly.

You desire what you don't have and have what you have chosen.

*speaks of what is known as "insatiable desire". where no matter how much you have, you still want more.

Hell is being submerged in what you have denied, avoided and ignored about yourself.

*selfexplanatory

Knowing is to Love as fear is to ignorance.

*self explanatory

Only an ass continues to say 'but."

*instead of countering, for the sake of deconstruction...seek understanding.

Let the babies have their milk.

*self explanatory

"Its not that I don't like you, you don't like you."

*VERY self explanatory

To desire not to desire is the essence of all desire.

*very cryptic to me. sounds very much like some Zen texts i've read though...

To avoid The Self is to seek pain.

*have a clear view of self without disillusion

Master, what is the highest LAW? "To Love God with all thy heart, mind and spirit."

Master, what is the highest COMMANDMENT? "To Love thy neighbor as you Love thyself."

Master, what is the highest TRUTH? "There is no separation."

*ONENESS, a difficult concept to really grasp, is one of the "best" models i've come across...this parables illustrates how important that concept is.

Emotion is the shadow of a thought as fear is the shadow of doubt.

*fear explains doubt...fear being one of the two "demotivators" in life (the second being laziness). emotion is the "driving force" behind every thought, action, deed.

Feeling is higher than knowing.

*self explanatory

No thing can exist without movement. All movement is emotion.

*self explanatory

A Thought = A Universe.

*self explanatory, and points to how the relative ideas within oneself is as valid an ABSOLUTE universe for that person, as another's thoughts are for them. issues arise when to universes meet.

You can never unravel what you continue to weave.

*if one continues to try to understand a foreign concept with the same original tools, then one limits his/her range of understanding. a buddhist parable about "emptying one's cup, comes to mind"

Those who focus on problems create more.

*focus on solutions

Understanding is the wisdom of the intellect and wisdom the intellect of the soul.

*self explanatory

Don't ask questions, question answers.

*AWESOME! in an age where "answers" are just accepted because of their self proclaimed authenticity and antiquity, one should at least hold them up to ones' own standards.

After being ignorant, you will be confused. After being confused, you will be lost.

*self explanatory

One can not find that which is not lost.

*self explanatory

Blessed are those who bless. Cursed are those who curse.

*self explanatory

Listening is the fertilizer for friendship.

*self explanatory

Red, Black, Green

  

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36. "Buganda"
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Buganda is located in the south-central region of the
country known today as Uganda (Swahili for 'Land of
the Ganda') . This is right in the heart of Africa,
astride the equator, and at the source of the great
river Nile. The people of Buganda are referred to as
Baganda (the singular form is Muganda), their language
is referred to as Luganda, and they refer to their
customs as Kiganda customs. Sometimes the generic term
Ganda is used for all the above (especially by foreign
scholars).

Buganda had a ruling dynasty of kings that was
established in the mid-14th century AD. The first
acknowledged king in this dynasty was called Kato
Kintu. There has been a total of 36 kings from Kintu's
time to the current king, Mutebi II.

Buganda's clan system is central to its culture. A
clan represents a group of people who can trace their
lineage to a common ancestor in some distant past. In
the customs of Buganda, lineage is passed down along
patrilineal lines. The clan essentially forms a large
extended family and all members of a given clan regard
each other as brothers and sisters regardless of how
far removed from one another in terms of actual blood
ties. The Baganda took great care to trace their
ancestry through this clan structure.


Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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37. "Speech"
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Here are some proverbs on the importance of speech.

"The talker will lead the dog to the meat market. "

"He who talks thinks, but the one who doesn't talk thinks more."

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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39. "Reference"
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the above was taken from various pages at the following site:
www.buganda.com
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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40. "Fear"
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"He who is bitten by a snake fears a lizard"

is this merely a "once bitten twice shy" proverb?


Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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43. "Faith+Personal Effort"
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Akwaaba

"Pray for deliverance from danger, but start running too."

Faith alone is not sufficient if one does not add action to it.

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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44. "Bloodshot Eyes"
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Tubasanyukidde

"The eyes of the trapper are as subject to reddening as those of the small animal (that he pursues)."

The person's eyes are reddening as a result of the possibility that he or she may not catch an animal for food that day. The animal's eyes are also getting bloodshot as a result of fright at the prospect of getting caught and killed. It goes to show that people and indeed all creatures (in this case mammals), great and small, despite their apparent differences, all experience similar emotions, strengths and weaknesses. They react similarly in many ways whether they are kings, queens, dignitaries, middle-class persons or commoners.

Mweraba
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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45. "When the cat's away..."
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Ki kati (cuz We close like that)

"When the master is absent, the frogs hop into the house"

Tunaalabagana
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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kemetian
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53. "Focus"
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"He who hunts two rats, catches none."

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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54. "Begging"
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Tubasanyukidde

"Water that has been begged for does not quench the thirst."

Begging involves a lot of courage and perseverance, and it can take a while for the person who often begs or unduly asks for help to be given what he or she wants (so the energy it takes to beg could also have been used to do for self). Something that was begged for is likely to be limited, below what was required or unsatisfactory. Sometimes receivers may tend to exercise less care in utilizing things that were given to them free of charge.

This proverb is a warning against laziness and giving of those who choose not to do for themselves. People who work hard rather than habitually ask for favors turn out to achieve more and be more materially and psychologically contented than those who often look to be pitied and done favors.

This reminds me of the reparations argument: REPARATIONS COULD NEVER BE ENOUGH! Instead of asking for bread crumbs, Afrikans need to bake their own bread!

Mweraba
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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161. "Hmmmm...."
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>>Begging involves a lot of courage
>and perseverance, and it can
>take a while for the
>person who often begs or
>unduly asks for help to
>be given what he or
>she wants (so the energy
>it takes to beg could
>also have been used to
>do for self). Something that
>was begged for is likely
>to be limited, below what
>was required or unsatisfactory. Sometimes
>receivers may tend to exercise
>less care in utilizing things
>that were given to them
>free of charge.
>
>This proverb is a warning against
>laziness and giving of those
>who choose not to do
>for themselves. People who work
>hard rather than habitually ask
>for favors turn out to
>achieve more and be more
>materially and psychologically contented than
>those who often look to
>be pitied and done favors.
>
>
>This reminds me of the reparations
>argument: REPARATIONS COULD NEVER BE
>ENOUGH! Instead of asking for
>bread crumbs, Afrikans need to
>bake their own bread!


"Next to God we are indebted to Afrikan women, first for
giving us life and secondly for making that life worth
living." -Mary Mc Leod Bethune

"Don't Hate the PLAYA Boy...hate the GAME," Granddad Freeman of the Boondocks(7-11-99)

*Twenty-three percent of women are "autoerotic singles" — they prefer to achieve sexual satisfaction alone(source-bet.com)

*If U have won a Grammy, one of two things are at play: 1. Your shit is TIGHT
2. U are white
-(Me)

"'Cuz U answer the phone 'peace' that means U not a freak?"-The Questions(c) Common


++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Oooo baby I like it raw. Oooo baby I like it RAAAW!(c)ODB- Shimmy Shimmy Ya

  

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41. "there are no crossroads in the ears."
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i thought the ideas it put forth were interesting as hell and thought provoking ... the film is enjoyable, but not necessarily "good".

that is if you accept "good" as an indication of an inherent quality within a normative scale capable of evaluating an event, person, potluck dish, or emotion and assigning it a place within a hierarcy of human instances that has been meticulously constructed over the past million years -- each individual contributing to it as the collective unconscious invariably maintains it in an effortless swipe of humanity's Swiffer across the ideals and ideas of a metaphysical communal tapestry that is continually woven and colored by each life and death that occurs under the auspices of time and space's watchdog, who i choose to call Spirochetes.

*floats away feet first*

- mosaic on WAKING LIFE (why everybody spells it in all caps is beyond me.)

another question: Why are folk so annoyed by smartasses? Why do black folk always talk to each other with smart ass attitudes? Like,

squeeg- "Yo, I just made my Varsity Basketball team!"
cocoateddybear- "Nah nigga you ain't make that shit!"
squeeg- "I'm not lying show me love!"
cocoateddybear- "Good job dunny, but you know you can't beat me son, forilla."
squeeg- "You tripping joe, I been ballin since day one, when i was dribblin and dunkin, you was droolin and shittin in your pants you faggot bastard."

-and why do black radio dj's always gotta sound so fucking hype all the time? why can't folk just be normal and speak in a regular conversational tone? Everytime I turn on the radio I got a Busta Rhymes clone yelling in my ear and shit about how KISS FM IS DA ULLLTIMATEEE!! BOOYYAAAH!!! BILIIBILII BLOWWDAAA!!! and shit...calm ya'll asses down. forilla.

holla.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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42. "anger and patience"
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an uncontrolled temper does not create anything for anyone
patience is the father of character
a person who is patient will become the master of all things

ogbe ogunda
****************************************
am i the meanest
...sho nuff
am i the prettiest
...sho nuff
am i the baddest mo fo low down around this town
...sho nuff
who am i
...sho nuff
WHO AM I
...sho nuff
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
...SHO NUFF
---the shogun of harlem

"The hell I ain't neither...I even ain ga do it! I REFUSE!!!"
---anthony fraizer

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48. "for the chickenheads"
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You do not need a big stick to break a cock's head.

A plea for appropriate action: small issues call for small responses, more important ones call for more serious action. Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.


akan!

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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49. "RE: for the chickenheads"
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in a speech i heard by Nader the other day he likened our actions towards Afghanistan to "burning the barn down to find the needle in the haystack."

this proverb is applicable here, no?
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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51. "mmhmm"
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holla.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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50. "Mandinka"
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:::A bird is in the air but its mind is on the ground.:::

Wherever you are it is important to remember where you come from and what is important.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

  

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55. "?? Settling Disagreements"
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I have done a minute amount of research, but I am still unable to find any wisdom/thoughts originating from the continent about settling disputes among family members. My curiosity was first peeked over 10 years ago when I watched the Godfather (silly I know) and one of the characters (Vito, I think) said to Sonny, "...never let anyone outside of the family know what you are thinking." My thoughts then turned to settling minor disputes among family or arriving at "common ground" for differences in opinion, especially in front of "stranger." Help.

<--- Peace to Bayete Ross-Smith.

  

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75. "RE: ?? Settling Disagreements"
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While i can't think of any off the top of my head, i would suggest picking up teensy little book by Sobonfu Some' called "Welcoming Spirit Home." this gives u an idea of how the community s set up so that i think (don't quote me) a stranger wouldn't be someone just outside of your family as it is here, but rather someone outside of the community. i think if u couldn't resolve it among yourselves (w/in the immediate fmaily) then help from wise ppl in the community is sought for mediation. i'll look tho'.
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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56. "This is a great post"
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*Peace*
Muzikfiend

somehow I always find my self
standing alone thats why I
stand on my own.

  

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58. "Hausa"
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Barka da Zuwa

Hausaland is in the center of northwestern Africa immediately south of the Sahara desert. Until the 1100's, Hausaland was made up of a number of decentralized agricultural and pastoral villages. However, beginning in the late twelfth century, these villages combined into several kingdoms ruled by partly divine kings. The first of these centralized kingdoms was Daura.

These kingdoms were in close contact with one another since they all shared a common language, Hausa. In the late 1300's, Islam began to filter into Hausaland, but only very slowly and only by means of commercial activities. However, in the 1450's, a group of people from the Senegal River, the Fulani, began immigrating in large numbers into Hausaland. The Fulani immigration was driven by the desertification of north and western Africa; a pastoral people, the Fulani were in search of a land that could support them and their herds. The Fulani were also fervent Muslims, so they not only brough Islam and its books, they also began to set up Islamic schools and learning centers all throughout Hausaland.

The Hausa kingdoms, particularly after the influx of Islam, were closely allied with Kanem-Bornu to the east. Because of the military presence of Kanem-Bornu, the Hausa kingdoms were stable and peaceful.

Sai an jima
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

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59. "Reflection of Self"
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Barka da Zuwa

"The friend of a thief is a thief too."

Sai an jima
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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60. "Another Reflection of Self"
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Barka da Zuwa
"The friend of a chief is a chief too."

Sai an jima

************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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61. "Prevention"
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Barka da Zuwa (Welcome)

Vigilance of property is better than announcement of theft.

Sai gobe (Until tomorrow - 'cause be on here all the time)

************BEHOLD! The Parody Sig*******************
And one more thing:
I AM NOT KEMETSHAKUR AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!
(u would have had to have been there)

Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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62. "Prosperity"
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Barka da Zuwa

Prosperity is the child of education.

Sai an jima
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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173. "a variation:"
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Bowing to a dwarf will not prevent you from standing erect again. -Hausa saying

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Peace


Red, Black, Green

  

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63. "Immersion"
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Barka da Zuwa

"Kneeling down for a dwarf is not being sufficient. If you kneel down for him/her, you can then stand up to your height."

What does this mean to you?

Sai an jima
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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89. "RE: Immersion"
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<<"Kneeling down for a dwarf is not being sufficient. If you kneel down for him/her, you can then stand up to your height.">>

Similar to euro-ethnic peoples stating how they have faced discrimination, marched alongside Dr. King and support Malcolm's views, listen to hip-hop therefore they understand how it feels to be Black.

another way of looking at it: Temporarly blinding yourself for a day and thinking that you know how blind people must feel.

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92. "Interesting"
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your interpretation that is. i kind of saw it from the other way. like u should fulfill your highest high instead of settling. it's kind of like how i c Afrikans living in a way not Our own. someone's else way is the dwarf and an Afrikan practising it is the one kneeling for the dwarf. practising and recreating Our Way would be equivalent, for me anyway, of standing up to your own height.

Thanks for the exchange.


><<"Kneeling down for a dwarf is not being sufficient. If you kneel down for him/her, you can then stand up to your height.">>
>
>Similar to euro-ethnic peoples stating how
>they have faced discrimination, marched
>alongside Dr. King and support
>Malcolm's views, listen to hip-hop
>therefore they understand how it
>feels to be Black.
>
>another way of looking at it:
>Temporarly blinding yourself for a
>day and thinking that you
>know how blind people must
>feel.


Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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64. "Preparation"
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You should not prepare the gourd the day of the journey.
Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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65. "Experience"
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Barka da Zuwa

The stone that is in the water does not know the sun is hot.


************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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66. "Self-Reliance"
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Barka da Zuwa
You cannot borrow a person’s mouth to eat onions for him/her.

************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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67. "A Woman's Worth"
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Barka da Zuwa

The world is a pregnant woman.

************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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157. "Don't Ask 4 2 Much"
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"Don't look for speed in a cheap horse;
be content if it neighs."

Shemhotep
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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174. "some more:"
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Faults are like a hill: You stand on your own and talk about those of other people.

The man who is carried on another man's back does not appreciate how far off the town is.

A chief is like a trash heap.where everyone brings his rubbish. (i.e. troubles and complaints)

and my favorite:

It is not the eye that understnds, but the mind.
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68. "Yoruba"
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As can be seen by the various contributions to this post already, the Yoruba have a vast wealth of knowledge to share with us, not the least of which is in the form of proverbs. Here is a bit of info on the Yoruba as taken from:

http://www.yorubanation.org/serv02.htm

The Yoruba are a nationality, numbering about 25 million, the majority of whom live in the South Western part of the state of Nigeria in West Africa. ...The Yoruba are a black people, of Negro stock; ... they speak a common language, Yoruba, which belongs to the Kwa group of the Niger-Congo linguistic family, and it has about 12 dialects; ... they are a well urbanized group with genius in arts as symbolized in the famous "Ife Bronzes"; ... Yoruba people are also found in Togo, Benin Republic and in other parts of the world, including Brazil, Cuba, Trinidad, and the United States.


The Oduduwa Dynasty and the Founding of the Nation.
Oduduwa is the legendary progenitor of the Yoruba. There are two variants of the story of how he achieved this feat. The first is cosmogonic, the second, political. The cosmogonic version also has two variants. According to the first variant of the cosmogonic myth, Orisanla (Obatala) was the arch-divinity who was chosen by Olodumare, the supreme deity to create a solid land out of the primordial water that constituted the earth and of populating the land with human beings. He descended from heaven on a chain, carrying a small snail shell full of earth, palm kernels and a five-toed chicken. He was to empty the content of the snail shell on the water after placing some pieces of iron on it, and then to place the chicken on the earth to spread it over the primordial water. According to the first version of the story, Obatala completed this task to the satisfaction of Olodumare. He was then given the task of making the physical body of human beings after which Olodumare would give them the breath of life. He also completed this task and this is why he has the title of "obarisa" the king of orisas. The other variant of the cosmogonic myth does not credit Obatala with the completion of the task. While it concedes that Obatala was given the task, it avers that Obatala got drunk even before he got to the earth and he was unable to do the job. Olodumare got worried when he did not return on time, and he had to send Oduduwa to find out what was going on. When Oduduwa found Obatala drunk, he simply took over the task and completed it. He created land. The spot on which he landed from heaven and which he redeemed from water to become land is called Ile-Ife and is now considered the sacred and spiritual home of the Yoruba. Obatala was embarrassed when he woke up and, due to this experience, he made it a taboo for any of his devotees to drink palm wine. Olodumare forgave him and gave him the responsibility of molding the physical bodies of human beings. The making of land is a symbolic reference to the founding of the Yoruba kingdoms, and this is why Oduduwa is credited with that achievement (Idowu, 1962).

According to the second version of the myth, there was a pre-existing civilization at Ile-Ife prior to its invasion by a group led by Oduduwa. This group came from the east, where Oduduwa and his group had been persecuted on the basis of religious differences. They came to Ile-Ife and fought and conquered the pre-existing Igbo (unrelated to the present Igbo) inhabitants led by Oreluere (Obatala). Obviously, there is a connection between the two versions of the story. The political one may be the authentic story of the founding of Ife kingdom through conquest. However, the myth of creation lends it a legitimacy that is denied by the conquest story; just as it appears that it is lent some credence by the fact that, as a result of the embarrassment it caused their deity, the followers of Obatala are forbidden from taking palm wine. Indeed the second version of the cosmogonic myth also appears to foreshadow the political variant. The claim that Obatala got drunk and the task of creation had to be performed by Oduduwa already has some political coloration which is now explicit in the political version of the tradition. What is crucial in both variants of the story is the role of Oduduwa as the founder of the Yoruba nation which is why the name cannot be forgotten. Oduduwa is the symbol of the nation, the rallying point for al those who subscribe to the Yoruba identity. The name Yoruba itself, according to historians Smith, Atanda and others, was fixed on us by our northern neighbors and later popularized by colonial publications. Before then, the "Anago" to which some Yoruba in the present Benin Republic and others in the new world still use to refer to themselves, was used to refer to most of the people called Yoruba today. A common origin and language, as well as common political and religious cultures made the Yoruba a nation long before any contact with Europeans and the advent of colonialism.
2. Moremi ‘s Patriotism and the Survival of the Nation
Upon the death of Oduduwa, there was a dispersal of his children from Ife to found other kingdoms. These original founders of the Yoruba nation included Olowu of Owu (son of Oduduwa’s daughter), Alaketu of Ketu (son of a princess), Oba of Benin, Oragun of Ila, Onisabe of Sabe, Olupopo of Popo, and Oranyan of Oyo. Each of them made a mark in the subsequent urbanization and consolidation of Yoruba confederacy of kingdoms, with each kingdom tracing its origin to Ile-Ife.

After the dispersal, the aborigines, the Igbo, became difficult, and constituted a serious threat to the survival of Ife. Thought to be survivors of the old occupants of the land before the arrival of Oduduwa, these people now turned themselves into marauders. They would come to town in costumes made of raffia with terrible and fearsome appearances, and the Ife people would flee. Then the Igbo would burn down houses and loot the markets. Then came Moremi on the scene—like Deborah of the Old Testament. When no man could dare the Igbos, Moremi asked the Esinminrin river for help and promised to give offerings if she could save her people. The orisa told her to allow herself to be captured and to understudy the Igbo people. She did, and discovered that these were not spirits; only people with raffia for dress. She escaped, and taught her people the trick. The next time that Igbo people came, they were roundly defeated. Moremi then had to go back to Esinminrin to thank the gods. Every offering she offered was refused. On divination, she was told she had to give Oluorogbo, her only son. She did. The lesson of Moremi is the lesson of patriotism and selflessness. The reward may not be reaped in one’s life time. Moremi passed on and became a member of the Yoruba pantheon . The Edi festival celebrates the defeat of the Igbo and the sacrifice of Oluorogbo till today.
3. The Oranmiyan Adventures, Afonja Treachery, Internal Division, Enslavement and the Fall of the Nation.
Oranmiyan was the last of the Oduduwa offsprings. But he was the most adventurous and the founder of Oyo Kingdom. On some accounts, he was the third ruler of Ife as successor to Oduduwa. But he later decided to avenge the expulsion of his father from the East, and so, he led an expedition. After many years on the road, and as a result of disagreement between him and his people, he could not go further. Feeling too ashamed to go back, he appealed to the King of Nupe for a land to found his kingdom. He was obliged, and that land became the nucleus of Old Oyo Kingdom. Oranmiyan, taking the title of Alafin, succeeded in raising a very strong military and effectively expanded his kingdom. His successors, including Sango, the mythical god of thunder, Aganju and Oluasho were also as strong. Peace and tranquility prevailed during the reign of Abiodun, though it also experienced the decline of the army. (SONG). Awole Arogangan was Abiodun’ s successor and it was during his reign that trouble started for the kingdom. He was forced to commit suicide; but before his death he was said to have pronounced a curse on all Yoruba, that they will not unite and that they will be taken captives.

Afonja was the Kakanfo, the generalsimo of the Army, in the northern Yoruba town of Ilorin, during the reign of Awole and his successor. Afonja refused to recognize the new king, and invited the Fulani who were then leading a jihad to the south, to assist him against the king. They did, but he did not survive himself, because the Fulani, after helping him defeat the Alafin also turned against him. They fired numerous arrows at him and his dead body was stood erect on those arrows as they stuck into his body. The treachery of Afonja marked the beginning of the end of the Oyo empire and with it the decline of the Yoruba nation. Civil war erupted among the various Yoruba kingdoms: Oyo, Ijesa, Ekiti, Ijaiye, Abeokuta and Ibadan. As this was going on, Dahomey on the west and the Borgu on the north were also posing trouble for the Yoruba kingdoms until the intervention of the British and the imposition of colonial rule.



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that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
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more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

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fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
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69. "Secrecy"
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Secrets should never be told to a tattler.

Also, u can find yoruba proverbs for daaaaaaaaaays at this nifty little link: http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/yor/yor.htm

pick one u like and throw it up here.

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"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


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70. "Mastering, Peace and (being careful with what you say)"
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"He who owns the inner square of the house is the master of the outer."
Owning the "inner square" of yourself (being confident and feeling good with your self) will show on the outside

"Peace is the father of friendship."

"A sharp word is as tough as a bow-string. A sharp word cannot be cured, but a wound may."

And two more that i hope someone will explain in a good way:
"The stream may dry up, but the watercourse still keeps its name."

"When water is poured on the head it finds its way down to the feet."

And a bonus for utamaroho:
"If you are not able to build a house at once, you first build a shed."
..."Do your best."

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73. "See Post 57"
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>And two more that i hope
>someone will explain in a
>good way:
>"The stream may dry up, but
>the watercourse still keeps its
>name."
>

i think it is comparable to this proverb. i'll have to think on the other one.

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"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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90. "RE: Mastering, Peace and (being careful with what you say)"
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<<"When water is poured on the head it finds its way down to the feet.">>

Possibly has to do with universal pathways of life such as fate. Someone placed a proverb thats goes something along the lines of:
"A person who dies from a bullet will not die from an arrow."

Another way I see it is: As sure as we live, we will one day die.

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93. "Yeah"
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i was thinking kind of like connectedness, even tho' the head and the feet seem to be in opposite places (or at least far away, or disconnected to the uninformed) somehow what affects one part affects the other. what begins in one place will show up in the other. like Africaness (water) starting at the head (Africa) and manifesting itself in thorughout the diaspora (feet) through ways of thinking, importance of spirituality, speech, hairstyles, food, etc.

that's what i'm thinking but i can't find a succint, coherent way of putting it.

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"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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71. "a good thing to know :)"
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"Contraction of words conceals the sense."
(The Yorabas talk habitually with great rapidity, contracting words, and often not giving themselves time to think of the proper word to use. Hence, the meaning of what they say is very often obscure, and their convenation is in consequence continually interrupted by the question"Ogbo?" "Do you understand?" literally,"Do you hear?")

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206. "RE: a good thing to know :)"
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This is not a triviliazation, but this does remind me of Black folks in America, and our penchant for saying, "Yah mean? YouknowhatI'msayin? Ya heard me?"
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72. "About yoruba proverbs, sentances and riddles"
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From kemetian's link:

Many of the proverbial sayings run in couplets, and resemble in construction some of those found in the Hebrew Book of Proverbs, the object being to establish an antithesis between two consecutive lines, in which noun is made to answer to noun, and verb to verb. For instance, compare:-


The simple inherit folly,
But the prudent are crowned with knowledge.
(Proverbs xiv. 18).



A gracious woman retaineth honour,
And strong men retain riches.
(Proverbs xi. 16.)



with the following Yoruba aphorisms:-

1. Ordinary people are as common as grass,
But good people are dearer than the eye.

2. A matter dealt with gently is sure to prosper,
But a matter dealt with violently causes vexation.

3. Familiairity induces contempt,
But distance secures respect.

4. The public assembly belongs to the town,
But a select council belongs to the king.

5. Anger does nobody good,
But patience is the father of kindness.
Anger draws arrows from the quiver,
But good words draw kola-nuts from the bag.

6. A fruitful woman is the enemy of the barren,
And an industrious man is the foe of the lazy.

7. Beg for help, and you will meet with refusers;
Ask for alms, and you will meet with misers.

8. A wild boar in the place of a hog would ravage the town,
And a slave, made king, would spare nobody.

9. When there are no elders the town is ruined,
And when the master dies the house is desolate.

10. The absence of powder converts a gun into a stick,
And the death of a father causes the dispersion of his children.

11. The sharpness of an arrow is not like that of a razor,
And the wickedness of a horse is not like that of a man.

12. A pistol has not a bore like a cannon,
And a poor man has not money like a rich.

13. Sorrow is after weeping,
And mortification is after trouble.

14. To-day is the elder brother of to-morrow,
And a heavy dew is the elder brother of rain.

15. A ram's mane gives him a noble appearance,
And a father's honour makes a son proud.

16. No one can separate the agbali from the arabi,
And no one can deprive a man of his inheritance,



The Yoruba-speaking peoples are fond of composing punning sentences, made up of words having similar sounds but different meanings. Thus:-

(1) Abebi ni ibe iku.
Abebi ni ibe orun.
Bi oru ba inu abebi ni ibe e.

Abebi means a fan, an advocate, or an intercessor, and the above is

An intercessor (with the gods) wards off death.
An advocate (with the judge) wards off punishment.
A fan wards off the heat when it is hot.



(2) Igun ti ogun mi ko jo i egun. Stabbing is not like pricking me with a thorn." The play here is in the resemblance between the words igun, ogun, and egun.

(3) Bi alapata ba pa eran, awon alagbata abu u li ajan. When the butcher kills the animal the retailers cut it into pieces." Here the play is upon the words alalgata (butcher) and alagbata (pedlar, retailer, petty trader).

(4) The following is on the words bata (shoes), bata-bata (an onomatopœic word like our "patter patter "), apata (rock), ajulabata (chief drummer), and bata (a long drum):-
Ojo pa bata, bata-bata-bata, li ori apata; li ode ajulabata, bata ni igi, bata li awo.

"The rain on the bata (shoes), goes patter, patter, patter, as on the apata (rock); in the street of ajulabata, the bata (drum) is wood, the bata (shoes) are of hide."

(5) Igba dodo li agbado, igba ni? "What supports the people if it is not maize?" Here the play is on igba dodo and agbado.
It is a favourite game to repeat as fast as possible sentences difficult to pronounce, like the following:-
Iyan mu ire yo; iyan ro ire ru. "When there is famine the cricket is fat" (that is, is considered good enough to eat); "when the famine is over the cricket is lean" (i.e., is rejected).
Kanakana ba kanakana ja, kanakana da kanakana. "The crow met the crow and fought, the crow beat the crow."



The two following are examples of a play of a different sort:-

(1) The cry of the squirrel sounds like the word korokoro, whence "It was the squirrel's own mouth that betrayed her, for when she had brought forth two young ones she carried them to the roadside and said, My children are very sound, very sound, very sound (Omo mi ije korokoro, korokoro, korokoro.)

(2) The cry of the bush-fowl (partridge) resembles the words kiki ora, "nothing but fat"; hence the saying, "With its mouth the bush-fowl declares its fatness, crying, 'Nothing but fat! Nothing but fat.'" (Kiki-ora! Kiki-ora.)


Riddles are sufficiently common, but few of them are good. The following are examples:-

Q. A small confined room, with hardly anything in it but pegs.
A. The mouth, with the teeth.

Q. An associate who cannot be tamed.
A. Fire.

Q. There is no market in which the dove with the prominent breast has not traded.
A. The cowry.

Q. A hen that has many chickens.
A. The Milky Way.

Q. I am long and slim, I am engaged in commerce, and yet I never reach the market.
A. The canoe (which carries the goods but stops at the landing-place).

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74. "RE: About yoruba proverbs, sentances and riddles"
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Great post!

My contribution (a yoruba proverb): Eyinkule lota wa

Translation: Your enemy/adversary is in your backyard

Interpretation: It's those who are close to you who can hurt you the most. Hence you should ensure that you are careful who you let get close to you and also ensure that your close relationships are in order.

That's science right there,
Mayowa.


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76. "RE: Yoruba"
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se alafia ni

adupe-o for the information
i had snippets
but never in this cohesive a fashion

odabo

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oni yemaya
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...sho nuff
am i the prettiest
...sho nuff
am i the baddest mo fo low down around this town
...sho nuff
who am i
...sho nuff
WHO AM I
...sho nuff
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
...SHO NUFF
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79. "Deeds, Not Words"
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Alafia:

Boasting is not courage.

He who boasts much cannot do much.

Much gesticulation does not prove courage.

It is easy to cut to pieces a dead elephant.

Odabo
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
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81. "Disobedience"
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Alafia

Disobedience will drink water with his hands tied up.

Disobedience is the father of insolence.
Odabo
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"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
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82. "Yoruba Math"
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Alafia

here's a little aside...
the Yoruba translation of "there are four stones." is nothing less than deep, for real.
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Sunday, December 23, 2001

It All Adds Up
SCIENCE AND AN AFRICAN LOGIC By Helen Verran University of Chicago
Press: 248 pp., $55

By MARGARET WERTHEIM


"Indigenous science." To many the phrase seems a contradiction
in terms. To a large degree the Western academy has accepted that
other cultures have sophisticated systems of philosophy and religion,
but science is still widely viewed as something unique to the West. A
growing body of scholars has begun to question this view and is
claiming that science is a multifaceted phenomenon manifesting in
many cultures.
On one level we are becoming used to such claims. Acupuncture,
Chinese herbalism and ayurvedic medicine have all gained huge
followings in the West. Major pharmaceutical companies are also
interested in "indigenous medicines," investing millions in
bioprospecting programs.
Other societies, most notably the Maya, developed their own very
different systems of astronomy. Where Western astronomy is based on
looking up, Maya astronomy was focused on the horizon. Where Western
astronomy is centered first on the Earth, then the sun, to Maya
astronomers, the most important celestial body was Venus.
Anthropologists and others have begun to examine a range of non-
Western knowledge systems with a view to investigating their
empirical and predictive power. In her book "Naked Science," UC
Berkeley anthropologist Laura Nader argues that in
rigidly "demarcating science from other systems of knowledge," we not
only misrepresent science, we also do ourselves a disservice by
failing to benefit from centuries of observation and insight by other
cultures.
In "Science and an African Logic," philosopher of science Helen
Verran takes the debate surrounding "indigenous science" much
further. A leader in the emerging field of what is also known
as "ethnoscience"--though she herself eschews both terms--Verran
focuses on the way the Yoruba people of Nigeria relate to numbers, a
relationship that she suggests is quite different from Western
patterns.
Between 1979 and 1986, Verran was a lecturer at Obafemi Awolowo
University in Ife-Ife, Nigeria, where she taught mathematics and
science teachers. She found that her African pupils would often
approach mathematical problems in what, to her Western-trained eyes,
seemed highly unorthodox ways. At first alarmed, then fascinated,
Verran began to investigate how Yoruba people interacted with numbers
in their daily lives.
It turns out that the Yoruba language has a particularly
flexible way of representing numbers. Although in English and other
Western languages, any given number has a unique verbal
representation, in Yoruba there will be many ways of speaking a large
number-- for the number 19,669, for example, Verran lists no fewer
than seven distinct ways. Each variation is a verbal encoding of a
different arithmetic pattern:
oke kan o din erinwo o le okaan dinlaaadorin
((20,000 x 1) - 400) + (-1 -10 + (20 x 4)) = 19,669
eedegbaawaa o le eedegberin o din okanlelogbon
(20,000 - 1,000) + (-100 + (200 x 4)) - (1 + 30) = 19,669
This flexibility comes about because, unlike our numerical
system, which is based on the number 10, the Yoruba language
recognizes three bases--10, 5 and 20. By playing around with
different combinations of these bases, one can produce different
spoken versions of the same numerical quantity. Being a good
enumerator in Yoruba takes long years of training and requires an
ability to quickly break down numbers into their components.
Yoruba enumerators must not only be adept at mental factoring,
they must also in a sense be poets, for Yoruba people consider some
verbalizations of numbers more elegant and aesthetically pleasing
than others. I have no idea how the words are meant to sound, but
from written examples, one cannot but be struck by the patterns and
clearly musical rhythms embedded in Yoruba number names. Even on
paper they look like songs.
More radically, Verran says, number words in Yoruba do not act
as nouns or adjectives but as adverbs. Numbers work not as attributes
of objects (as in: there are four oranges) but as modifiers of verbs.
Yoruba language conceives of number not as a static abstract quality
but as an active characteristic which changes the mode of what it
enumerates.
In English, for example, we would say "there are four stones."
The Yoruba translation would be something like "the matter with
characteristics of stoneness is manifesting here/now as a collection
divided to the extent of four."
Excited by such findings, Verran originally wrote some academic
papers that presented the formalities of this numbering system. But
by abstracting it, by treating this system as if it were an object
which could be put under a glass and studied in isolation away from
its everyday context within Yoruba life, Verran came to understand
that she was distorting the phenomena.
She realized that in a deeper sense she was guilty of the same
kind of colonialism and philosophical imperialism she had been so
trying to avoid. It was a similar notion to that of zoologists who
now understand that to comprehend animal behavior, creatures must be
studied in the wild; zoos are a very poor substitute.
After this realization--for her it was a philosophical crisis--
Verran embarked on a decade-long quest for a deeper understanding
that would do justice to Yoruba engagement with number in the context
of their lives. Crucial here was the insight that traditionally the
Yoruba had no written form for their numbers; their engagement with
number was never abstract but always verbal and always within the
context of practical activities like trading.
Verran argues that Yoruba understanding of the existence of
number is grounded in the body, those 10s, 5s and 20s reflect the
human arrangement of fingers and toes.
The importance of embodiment in our own relationship to number
has also been proposed by English mathematician and philosopher Brian
Rotman in his "Ad Infinitum: Taking God out of Mathematics and
Putting the Body Back In." Both these proposals are radical
departures from mainstream Western thinking about mathematics, which
sees numbers as transcendent entities existing independently from the
physical world.
The origin of number and the mysterious ability of humans to
manipulate numbers (that is, to do mathematics) has been a hot
research topic during the last few years. "Science and an African
Logic" makes a major contribution to this debate and will no doubt
keep philosophers arguing for years to come. Verran's chapters on
Yoruba life and classrooms are a delight, and anyone interested in
the subject of mathematics will have much to gain from this unusual
and, in the end, deeply personal book.

* * *
Margaret Wertheim is the author of "The Pearly Gates of
Cyberspace: A History of Space from Dante to the Internet."



Copyright 2001 Los Angeles Times


Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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84. "Elders"
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Alafia

Gossip is unbecoming in an elder.

Three elders cannot all fail to pronounce the word ekulu; one may say ekúlu, another ekulú, but tho third will say ekulu.
(Ekulu is the name of antelope. The saying means that there is safety in a number of counsellors.)

The younger should not thrust himself into the seat of the elders.

The young cannot teach the elders traditions.

Odabo
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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85. "Friendship"
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Alafia

"Because friendship is pleasant, we partake of our friend's entertainment; not because we have not enough to eat in our own house."

Odabo
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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86. "Wisdom"
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A man may be born to a fortune, but wisdom only comes with length of days.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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87. "Know Your Weaknesses"
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Alafia

"If the stomach is not strong, do not eat cockroaches."

Odabo
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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95. "Comparable "Simply Wonderful" Post?"
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Ashes fly back in the face of him who throws them.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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97. "Dissatisfaction"
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Bank rises after bank, and ditch follows after ditch. When the rain falls into the ditch the banks are envious.

(Is said of those who are dissatisfied with their station in life.)


Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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98. "Polygamy"
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Alafia
i don't know that this is so much a proverb...

"Odu Oyeku Meji ni, Okan soso poro l'obinrin dun mo l'owo oko. Bi won ba di meji won a d'ojowu.Bi won ba di meta won a d'eta ntule."

"One only is the best number of women that should be in a man's home. Make them two and you bring in jealousy, if they become three they throw the house in disorder."

Odabo
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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99. "Community"
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Alafia


Selection from _The Holy Odu-Ifa Osa'Gunda_

All goodness became a grouping together in harmony
The grouping together of the strands of hair covered the head
The grouping together of hairs on the chin became the object of attention
The grouping together of trees became a forest
The grouping together of the eruwa grasses became a savannah
The grouping together of the beehives hold up the roof of the house
And the grouping together of the ita ants led to their covering the earth
ALASUWADA, Great Being who creates all beings in groups, we ask you humbly,
That You grant us things gathered in groups
So that they bring together all things good for us

Bees form swarms; Eeran plants grow together on the farm
Brooms are formed from bundles of twigs
Eeran grass grows in bunches on the plains
And the elegiri birds form flocks

It is as a grouping together that we encounter the grassland
It is as swarms that the locusts consume the farm
It is in several colonies that we find the termites in their mounds
It is in groves that we encounter the ekunkun trees on the water's edge
It is in clusters we find oore grass at the riverside
It is in schools that we find the ebbele fish in the ocean
It is in groups that we find the dragon fly
And the adosusu leaf is never found alone

Dews pouring lightly, pouring lightly were used to create the world
And likewise was done to create the earth
So that the goodness of togetherness could come forth at once
INDEED ALL GOODNESS TOOK THE FORM OF A GATHERING TOGETHER IN HARMONY

Now, if one ORI (head/divine consciousness-connection with the Creator) encounters good
It will spread out and touch two hundred
If my Ori is good it will spread out and touch you
And if your Ori is good it will spread out and touch me
For if just one Ori experiences good It will spread out and touch two hundred

Odabo
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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101. "Lying"
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He who knows a matter beforehand confuses the liar.

Time may be very long but a lie will not go to forgetfulness.

A lie costs nothing to a liar.

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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108. "Slow Down (c) Brand Nubian"
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Alafia

From the Holy Odu Ifa (holy book of the oracle Ifa):

IROSUN MEJI
Do not live life in a hurry
The Diviner of the house of the king
Do not take a title impatiently
Diviner of the Jero Hill
There is another life afterward
It is very sweet; like a person licking honey

"Do not live life in a hurry". We must learn to be patient and quite our senses for truth can reveal itself in various ways. If we just slow our roll we will not miss out on so many needed lessons and blessings in life. The Odu further inculcates us to not take a "title" impatiently. Here, a "title" may mean lofty words of praise that may be veils for evil plotting. It could be a seemingly good thing that actually conceals something negative that can take one away from their center. Or it could be the offering of jobs. Will you just jump at that first offer knowing that you are worth more than what they are presenting to you?


Irosun Meji tells us that there is another life afterward. This is simply based on the fact that where we are now is not and could not be the all in all. So we must do things in this life that will prepare us for the next. The Yoruba teach that the divine Ancestors, those that Olodumare allows to decide to reincarnate and/or provide guidance for their living descendants, are those that exemplified divine character within their individual lives, their families, community, and nation.

(for the rest of the commentary go here: http://www.geocities.com/omo_sango_oya/oduifawk.htm)


Odabo
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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195. "Courage"
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Alafia

Courage is not the lack of fear, but ACTing in spite of it.

Odabo

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77. "lesson"
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one who falls into a pit teaches a lesson to others
yoruba proverb
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am i the meanest
...sho nuff
am i the prettiest
...sho nuff
am i the baddest mo fo low down around this town
...sho nuff
who am i
...sho nuff
WHO AM I
...sho nuff
I CAN'T HEAR YOU
...SHO NUFF
---the shogun of harlem

"The hell I ain't neither...I even ain ga do it! I REFUSE!!!"
---anthony fraizer

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78. "RE: lesson"
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yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...yoruba on the boards..hee hee!

anyways, here's some another fun proverb!

"odi iwori": if you have ability or wisdom and you do not use them, you become sluggish and unitelligent.

I hope you all are doing well.

lidawg

"u never know, u might be closer to the truth than u think. people wear their stories on their backs. u just have to know how to read them.--LexM

"Man, use shuffle cuz sometimes a cd's playlist can fk up a cd"--me

"Man was born free and is everywhere in chains."--Rousseau

"Afraid is a country with no exit visa."--Audre Lorde

  

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80. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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nice web site to check out http://www.heritageornaments.com/. I would love to get some of their pieces, just can't afford them, but they sure are beautiful.

  

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83. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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Solarus, you are so special. Thanks for initiating this post. I've read so many wise things on here, I am going to print this out and file in my list of noteworthy things to read.

Well here is a Nigerian proverb, "Silence is the best answer to a fool."

PEACE.

  

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150. "RE: education"
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'educate a man and you educate an individual, educate a woman and you educate a nation'

peace

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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91. "Simply Wonderful"
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This is one of the best and most enlightening post I've read since joining OKP.

I'm not certain of the nationality however it is an African proverb that I read from the Chicago Defender in light of 9/11 and the 'war on terrorism'.

"When planning a war you must dig two graves, one for your enemy and one for yourself."


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94. "That's Deep"
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>
>"When planning a war you must
>dig two graves, one for
>your enemy and one for
>yourself."
>

Shemhotep
************
"There is something dreadfully wrong
with an education/socialization process
that leaves us ignorant of our past,
strangers to our people, apes of our
oppressors, and creatures of habitual,
shallow thought, and trivial values."
-Dr. Asa G. Hilliard,III

"general group behavior patterns matter
more than individual exceptions. and
past group behavior is indicative of
future group behavior." - yuckwheat

"Everyone has their myths which is
fine. However when one parades "myth"
as "fact" especially concerning ANOTHER
group of people independent of the said
myth-making group then we have a
problem. The myth now becomes a LIE." -
Solarus


Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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96. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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This is one of the best posts I have seen.

"Equality is not easy, but superiority is painful"

"He who digs the well should not be denied water"

  

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100. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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yea big ups to the guy who started this shit..ive just been observing the whole time given that well i dont have any african heritage so i wasnt able to share but i truly enjoyed it so much.

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"i wish i could apologize for what my brothers did but all i can do is say im sorry for the color of my skin, oppressions not something you forgive, and im ashamed to be related to those filthy f**kin pigs!!!"-Operation Cliff Claven

"If It's Gonna Be That Kinda Party I'm bout To Stick My Dick in The Mashed Potatas"

"They live their life in darkness,
They don't seem to channel the light.
They strive for material success
In the process they sell their soul"-Pilfers

"Everybodys rappin' like its a commercial/Actin' like life is a big commercial" -Mike D of the Beastie Boys

"Life Without Knowledge is like Death within disguise"-Kweli

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111. "Wolof"
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Jama nga fanaan (Good Morning)

Wolof history probably dates to about the 12th or 13th century. Wolof forefathers migrated west to the coast from Mali following the defeat of the Empire of the Ghana in the 11th century. Oral family histories indicate that at least some of the first settlers in the area were of Fulbe origin. Much Wolof history has been preserved in oral praise songs which are recited by griots ("professional praise singers"). Portuguese traveler accounts from the 15th century indicate an organized Wolof presence in what is still their homelands. Europeans established a fort on Gorée Island off the coast of modern day Dakar, which served as one of the primary points of departure for slaving vessels bound for the Americas. Since European contact Wolof history has undergone numerous conquests and revolts as competing rulers challenged one another for kingship.

Be beneen yon (Good Bye)
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"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

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112. "Persistence"
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Jama nga fanaan

"Little by little, one catches the monkey in the jungle."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
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124. "RE: Persistence"
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yoruba version:

little by little we eat the head of the rat

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Where there is a woman there is magic. If there is a moon falling from her mouth, she is a woman who knows her magic, who can share or not share her powers. A woman with a moon falling from her mouth, roses between her legs and tiaras of Spanish moss, this woman is a consort of the spirits.
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129. "U'd better"
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i hear that's 'cause the rats head, while tasty, is full of little bones.

Odabo
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"If the essence of 'love'... is giving selflessly or sacrificing for others, how can it then be equated with something that you can 'fall into or out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen, Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
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209. "aaaaaaaahhhhhhh...clarity"
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adupe
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i'm high like heaven
i'm strong like music
and i'm slow like honey
and heavy with mood
--fiona apple

stop calling women bitches or you'll be left with your dick in hand EVERY time
--Nubienne

"I've got earth blood, filled up with the Geechees long gone, and the sea."
--Indigo

AIM--> cislandbushmama



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kemetian
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125. "Slow Down II?"
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Jama nga fanaan
Yakamti ak gaawantu, bu nu juree doom, reccu am caw yoon.

Haste and hurry can only bear children with many regrets along the way.
Be beneen yon
************
"If the essence of 'love'... is giving selflessly or sacrificing for others, how can it then be equated with something that you can 'fall into or out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen, Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Solarus
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127. "Adapting to the Situation"
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Jama nga fanaan

"The chameleon changes color to match the earth, the earth doesn't change color to match the chameleon."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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128. "Ya Feel Me?"
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Jama nga fanaan

"Misunderstandings (fights) don't exist, only the failure to communicate exists."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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kemetian
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130. "Full a big speech but di backitive...?"
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>Jama nga fanaan (Good Morning)
He may say that he loves you. Wait and see what he does for you!


Be beneen yon
************
"If the essence of 'love'... is giving selflessly or sacrificing for others, how can it then be equated with something that you can 'fall into or out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen, Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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131. "Parents are the 1st Teachers"
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Jamm n'geen om

"What a child says, it has heard at home."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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kemetian
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133. "Power in Numbers"
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Naka nge fanaane? (Did you spend the night in peace?)

"If a centipede loses a leg, it does not prevent him from walking."

Be beneen yon
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Solarus
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138. "Afrikan Therapy"
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Jama nga fanaan

"People are man's medicine."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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kemetian
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139. "EverwantingtowanttoKnow"
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Nangadef?

Xamul aay na, laajtewul a ko raw.
Not to know is bad, but not to seek to know is worse.

Be beneen yon
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Utamaroho
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140. "that says it all right there!"
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they really did know their stuff. huh? *smiles at wisdom of ancestors*

Peace

Red, Black, Green

  

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141. "Reflection of Self III"
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Jama nga fanaan

"When you know who his friend is, you know who he is."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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142. "Could be Worse"
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Jama nga fanaan

Spilled water is better than a broken jar.

Be beneen yon
solarICE

"actually... one thing about Africa is that we don't have a problem with leaving some questions unanswered. we understand that life MUST have some mystery and romance..."- AFKAP_of_Darkness

"(Private property) it's a western european concept that has taken the world by storm."- k_orr

And one more thing:
I AM NOT UTAMAROHO AND HIS VIEWS DON'T NECESSARILY REFLECT MINE!!!

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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143. "Know Your Limitations"
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Mere manding, dox bu gaaw a ko gene.
It is better to walk fast than to grow angry at the forest.
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"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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145. "Resilience"
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Jamm n'geen om

"If a centipede loses a leg, it does not prevent him from walking."

Be beneen yon
solarICE

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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146. "oooh"
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peep post 133
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"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Solarus
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147. "Multiple Interpretations"
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Akwaaba

is the Afrikan way...


SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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kemetian
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148. "no doubt"
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Shemhotep
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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kemetian
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162. "Watch yaself!"
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Kene Dou (Good day)

If you knew what was on the lookout for you, you would drop what you are looking for.
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Utamaroho
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132. "here's a ersource:"
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http://www.afriprov.org/

Peace

Red, Black, Green

  

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134. "yeah"
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they've got provs for days
Shemhotep
************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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Utamaroho
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135. "Purpose:"
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A wise man who knows proverbs, reconciles difficulties. (Yoruba)

Peace

Red, Black, Green

  

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137. "Kanga Writings"
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http://www.glcom.com/hassan/kanga.html

Peace

Red, Black, Green

  

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149. "another Yoruba proverb..."
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otura meji

Lying does not mean that one will not become rich. And breaking commitments does not mean that one will not reach an old age. But on the day of death, the sacrifice will be required.

Odabo!
lidawg

"u never know, u might be closer to the truth than u think. people wear their stories on their backs. u just have to know how to read them.--LexM

"Man, use shuffle cuz sometimes a cd's playlist can fk up a cd"--me

"Man was born free and is everywhere in chains."--Rousseau

"Afraid is a country with no exit visa."--Audre Lorde

  

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151. "Shona"
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Tikukwazisei (May I greet you?/Greetings)

"The Shona make up three-quarters of the population of Zimbabwe, while the remaining southwestern portion of the country is primarily made up of the Nguni-speaking Ndebele (Murray 196). The country now known as Zimbabwe, constrained by the Zambezi river to the north, the Limpopo River to the south, the Eastern Highlands range to the east, and Botswana to the west, has been the home of the Shona for many years. In the twelfth century, Shona built in stone, during the thirteenth to fifteenth centuries, the kingdom of Great Zimbabwe emerged, during the mid-fifteenth century, the Munhumutapa(5) empire arose, and after this empire was overrun by the Changamire(6), hundreds of small Shona states became the primary form of political organization.

Beginning in 1890 and continuing until 1897, Cecil Rhodes's British South Africa Company (BSAC) colonized the area(7), and in May of 1895, the area officially became known as Rhodesia(8). After independence from British colonial rule in 1980, the country took its name from one of the greatest achievements in African history, a distinct part of its past. "Zimbabwe" means stone dwelling(9), and the great collection of huge stone walls and palaces built from twelve hundred to about fourteen-fifty AD became known as "Great Zimbabwe." The fact that the country took its name from a period in its past is important. It stresses the importance of their history and the people who came before them, their ancestors. Naming the country Zimbabwe was also afrocentric in that it emphasized their African past and not their white, colonial past. "

From site.

Sarai zvakanaka (Stay well)
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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152. "Precision"
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Tikukwazisei

"To tell a child is to give precise and complete details."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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153. "Count your Blessings"
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Tikukwazisei

"To be able to talk about an accident means that you escaped with your life."

"Where there is a cripple there is someone who might have died but did not."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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160. "Count More Blessings"
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Tikukwazisei

"To sleep on a worn out mat is better than sleeping on the bare ground."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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154. "More Info"
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On the Shona:

"Tsumo-Shumo (proverbs), similes and idioms are sometimes referred to as zvirungamutauro -- or those utterances that add salt to speech, and are highly regarded speech acts in Shona society. Their authoritative power emanates from the supposition that they are the views and opinions of the ancestors, which is also emphasized through the formulaic introduction "Vakuru vakati…" (as the elders say…). Proverbs were traditionally used to inculcate Shona customary law and rules of conduct, and even though they can be utilized in everyday speech, they continue to be employed within jural or educational contexts."

as taken from here: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~tonyat/Folklore.html
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"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
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"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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155. "Leadership"
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Gudo guru peta muswe vadiki vakutye
Even leaders should be humble
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"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
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check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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156. "Proverbs"
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"One who applies proverbs gets what he wants."

************
"If u want a butterfly u got to B a
butterfly" - India.Arie, Butterfly

"the wages of sin is death"
Romans ch.6 v.23

"If the essence of 'love'... is giving
selflessly or sacrificing for others,
how can it then be equated with
something that you can 'fall into or
out of'?" - Ra Un Nefer Amen,
Afrocentric Guide to a Spiritual Union

Kemetian
--------------------------------------
check it out:
www.natureworksforyou.co
m

"Pour libation for your father
and mother who rest in the
valley of the dead. God will
witness your action and
accept it. Do not forget to
do this

  

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158. "Malidoma Some:Soulstice"
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He is from the Dagara people who live in the nation currently call Burkina Faso. This is an account of a realization that came to him after a Rites of Passage ceremony:

"I n that moment of awareness, I had an epiphany, that the light we encounter on the road of death is our in the act of coming home to itself. I understood that light is our natural state, but that we human beings must help each other as we move toward the shores of light. We must be born and die many times to reach the light, and ten thousand years can pass in a flash. Being in the light is knowing we must get it to others into it. The soul that has already attained perfect enlightment returns to life in compassion to help other souls along the journey." (Of Water and Spirit pg 277)

  

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159. "Hospitality"
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Tikukwazisei

"A visitor does not empty a granary (place where food is stored."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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166. "Value has no Distance"
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Tikukwazisei

"Far is where there is nothing, where something is that you will struggle to the death to reach."

"It is far for the jackal where there is no mukubvu fruit tree."

"Far is where mother is; where there is the woman you love you will expend all effort, even to death, to get there."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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168. "Family Support"
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Tikukwazisei

"If an idiot is a member of your own family, you applaud his dancing."

Sarai zvakanaka

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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169. "Old-Age Insurance"
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Tikukwazisei

"Bring up your chld well, tomorrow he/she will care for you."

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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170. "Anything Can Happen"
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Tikukwazisei

"How cold has it become to make the tortoise climb a tree?"

Sarai zvakanaka
solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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171. "Hard Work leads to Success"
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Tikukwazisei

"To be happy in the future you must start with difficulties."

Sarai zvakanaka

solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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172. "Connections"
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Tikukwazisei

"Who drags a branch drags its leaves also."

Sarai zvakanaka

solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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164. "RE: UNITY****"
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"A boat doesnt go forward if each is rowing his own way."

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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175. "Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Preachments of the Animals:

Alligator says, "We know the war canoe from the peace canoe." (One can distinguish between hostility and goodwill)

Red deer says, "If you are a coward your horns will not wear." (One who meets challenges can be identified; so can he who avoids them)


***for those with small children, this would make for an excellent activity...the sayings are simple and can be related to the appropriate animal because they are visually similar to the axioms which they are attached. who needs Barney?***


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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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176. "RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Snake says, "Do not strike after me after i have passed you." (Do not indulge in grauitous actions.)

Monkey says, "If you keep your child in front of you, you can see what is the matter with it. (you are responsible for your own affairs)

Boa constrictor says, "After eating, one's skin shines." (A person's successes are apparent.)

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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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177. "RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Hog says, "Muddy roads are plentiful." (If one is not successful in going one way, he tries another)

Chicken says, "We follow the one with something in her mouth." (If you need a thing, go to the place where it is found."

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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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178. "RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Mosquito says, "If you want a person to understand you speakin his ears." (Don't send a message but go yourself if you want to be persuasive.)

Dog says, "An old man begs not by words but with his eyes." (A person's face says as much aas his words.)

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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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179. "RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Colobus says, "It is for wisdom that peopel travel together." (An interchange of views produces wise actions)

Sheep says, "To report a thing promptly avoids embarassment." (Don't wait to have the unfavorable facts dragged out of you.)

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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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180. "RE: Sayings of the Grebo People of Liberia"
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Ant says, "Nothing surpasses a swarming crowd." (There is safety in numbers)

Cock says, "If there is no one to praise you, praise yourself." (One must speak up on his own behalf.)


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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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181. "Dahomey"
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Some Dahomean Riddles

The Dahomean riddle is expressed with economy. Its appeal lies not
only in the hidden meaning of the solution, but more especially in its
double entendre, the play on words that is so important an element of
Dahomean everyday communication.

A period of riddling prefaces all storytelling sessions. For the adults
it is a warming-up time, a keying to attention, that keeps them occupied
until latecomers arrive. For the children it has the special function of
memory training, and is so recognized by the adults. To be present at
one of these children's storytelling sessions, presided over by one of
their age mates, and listen to the answers to the riddles coming with
lightning rapidity is like hearing a drill in the multiplication table. Of
the double entendre the children get nothing, though at certain points
they will laugh in imitation of their elders. It is this double entendre that
gives the riddle its importance in the rites for the dead. For the dead,
who are being sent away from the world of the living, must savor all that
gave them pleasure when alive; so at wakes the old men show their
mastery in introducing riddles with the broadest innuendo, the greatest
subtlety, and the sharpest suggestiveness. Some of these elements, un-
fortunately, are blurred or lost in translation.


Hole within hole, hair all round, pleasure comes from inside. (Answer:
A flute being played by a bearded man.)

A thing leaves the house bent over and returns home straight. (Answer: A water jar.)

A thing is naked going out, but returning, the body is covered with clothes. (Answer: Corn.)

My father eats with his anus and he defecates through his mouth. (Answer: A gun.)

One throws a thing across the hedge, and it falls in one heap. (Answer: A frog.)

A large hat in the midst of weeds. (Answer: A latrine.)

One thing falls in the water with a loud voice, another falls in the water with a soft voice. (Answer: A bottle of oil, a carrying basket.)






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182. "Some Dahomean Proverbs"
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The big do not eat out of the hand of the small.

He who makes the gunpowder wins the battles.

War lies in wait on a narrow path.

A snake bit me; I see a worm and I am afraid.

If one wants to catch a large fish he must give something to the stream.

Mawu sent sickness into the world but he also sent medi-
cine to cure.

When one is at sea he does not quarrel with the boatman.

The fish trap that catches no fish is brought back to the house.



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STORY FROM THE SUDAN

A Catholic missionary found himself in similar difficulty with the Shilluk. He painted a delightful word picture of the beautiful and bounteous life in Europe. A Shilluk warrior stood up and said: "It cannot be true. If it were, you white men would stay in Europe instead of bothering us here." "We don't want to disturb you," the missionary said, "we only want to teach you." "Well, then," the Shilluk warrior answered, "what can you really do? Can you build a hut?" "No," the missionary said. "Or make a spear?" "No," the missionary replied. "I am unfamiliar with it." "Well, then, can you at least make pots?" The missionary acknowledged that he could not. The Shilluk warrior said, "Among us, even the women can make pots, yet you cannot do it. You are useless."

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183. "Esikongo"
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Kiambote kieno (Greetings)

The Esikongo (what they call themselves also known as the BaKongo (what "others" call them) inhabit the west-central portion of Afrika covering lands now know as Angola, Democratic Republic of Congo(Zaire) and the Republic of Congo. Generally the BaKongo lived along the Congo river and in the tropical forests surrounding the river. Generally they were farmers thriving off of the land but they also were avid hunters. Precolonial Bakongo societies were divided into clans within a kingdom. Also they were (are) a Bantu-speaking group thus have much in common (in terms of culture) with other Bantu-speaking groups such as the mentioned above.

Nsaala kiambote (Stay Well)
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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184. "Unmoved"
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Kiambote kieno

"Be a man, and, as a toad on a rubbish heap which simply blinks at you when you throw dust on it, suffer silently."

Nsaala kiambote

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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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185. "Do unto others..."
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Kiambote kieno

"O man what you do not like do not to your fellow."

Nsaala kiambote
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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186. "You are who You are"
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Akwaaba

"Wood may remain ten years in the water, but it will never become a crocodile."

Reminds me of Malcolm's (Malik Shabazz) "If a cat gives birth to kittens in an oven, would you call them biscuits?"

SE wo werE fi na wosankofa a yenkyi.

Akoneaba ne agoro
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

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"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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191. "Do unto others...(rewind)"
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Kiambote kieno

"Don't trick others lest in tricking them you teach them to trick you back.

Nsaala kiambote

solarICE

"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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187. "Communalism"
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Kiambote kieno

"It is easier to squeeze pus out of somebody else's boil than out of one's own."

Nsaala kiambote

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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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188. "RE: Communalism"
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"It is easier to squeeze pus out of somebody else's boil than out of one's own."

kind of graphic...

i like

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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189. "RE: Communalism"
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etesane..

"Nyansa bunu mu ne mate masie. or, Tete ka aso mu a, na efiri kakyere"

In the depth of wisdom abounds knowledge and thoughtfulness. I consider and keep what I learn. Or Preservation of a people's culture has its basis in oral tradition.

p.s: don't know if ya'll already have that..
*shrug*

"The only thing we wanted for our country was the right to a decent existence, to dignity without hypocrisy , to independence without restrictions... The day will come when history will have its say."-Lumumba

  

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190. " Communalism II"
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Kiambote kieno

"Help those who cannot help themselves."

Nsaala kiambote
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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193. "Revenge"
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Kiambote kieno

"To take revenge is often to sacrifice oneself."

Nsaala kiambote

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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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194. "Habit"
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Kiambote kieno

"Habit is a full-grown mountain, hard to get over or to pull down."

Nsaala kiambote
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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201. "Never Enough"
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Kiambote kieno

"No matter how full the river is, it wants to swell further."

Nsaala kiambote
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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192. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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http://www.fandm.edu/departments/Anthropology/Bastian/ANT269/man.html

Good link about the mande and yoruba

  

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199. "Some proverbs and sayings of the Ganda"
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The stick that is at your friend's house will not drive away the leopard.

-do not rely on the name and talents of others.

One who has not suffered does not know how to pity.

-unless you've been through struggle...compassion is a foreign concept.

When it is not your mother who is in danger of being eaten by the wild animal, the matter can wait until tomorrow.

-unless something is directly affecting you, then people have a tendency to not show immediate concern.

Death is like a wild animal. (It kills a person whenever it can find him.)


Red, Black, Green

  

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200. "RE: Some proverbs and sayings of the Ganda"
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The beautiful woman is the sister of many. (A good-looking woman hasmany admirers who claim to be related so that they may visit and make love to her.)


The king is the lake. (The lake does not differentiate; it drowns thefisherman who is always in the vicinity and the occasional traveler as well. Thus, the king does not discriminate in taxes, and all must pay.)


Sense has left you like a person nodding in sleep before he has spreadhis sleeping mat. (Said to, or of, a person who begins a project. that he doesn't have the means to finish.)

A garden without young trees. (Such a garden will soon come to an-end, as will a family without children.)



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202. "A-Gikuyu"
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Muriega (Greetings)

The , a Bantu-speaking group, migrated to their present location about four centuries ago and are Kenya's largest ethnic group. According to tradition, the founder of the tribe was a man named Gikuyu. Ngai (the Divine Spirit) took him to the top of Kirinyaga and commanded him to establish his home there. Mumbi, his wife, was provided for him by Ngai, and they had nine daughters, from which the different principal clans originated.

Like many ethnic groups, the Gikuyu base their organization on the family unit (nyumba). Several families are combined to form a homestead (mucii), which is part of a sub-group (mbari). These make up the nine clans (muhiriga), which are the Achera, Agachiku, Airimu, Ambui, Angare, Anjiru, Angui, Aithaga, and Aitherandu. (A tenth clan is sometimes added, but only nine are counted as it is supposed to bring bad luck to count people, children, or livestock).

Youths who wished to become warriors (anake) had to undergo circumcision. Warriors graduated to the council of elders (kiama), of which a few composed the secret council (njama). The council settled disputes, with those that it could not resolve being determined by the ordeal of the hot knife (the extent of blistering on the tongue was then used to determine guilt or innocence) or, alternatively, by taking an oath on the githathi stone.

The Gikuyu were extremely successful in expanding throughout the area that is now the Central Province. This was achieved through a combination of purchases, blood-brotherhood, and intermarriage with the area's original inhabitants.

The Gikuyu are heavily agricultural, growing bananas, sugercane, arum lily, yams, beans, millet, maize, black beans and a variety of vegetables. While these form the basis of their diet, they also raise cattle which provide hides for bedding, sandels, and carrying straps. Sheep and goats are used for religious sacrifices and purification.

Pots are made by the Gikuyu for a variety of domestic uses, and were also used for barter in the past. Woven baskets and flat trays are made from a variety of fibers, and arrowheads, spears, swords, and other metal items were manufactured by blacksmiths.

thii na wega (goodbye
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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203. "Brain over Brawn"
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Muriega

"The one chased away with a club comes back, but the one chased away with kihooto does not."

thii na wega
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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204. "Fools"
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Muriega

A fool has many days.

thii na wega
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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205. "Fear"
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Muriega

"A child (young person) does not fear treading on dangerous ground until he or she gets hurt (stumbles). "

thii na wega
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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207. "The Innocents"
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Muriega

"When elephants fight the grass (reeds) gets hurt."

thii na wega
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"So many of those who consider themselves Afrikan centered spend so much time on themselves that they forget that the primary role of the adult in our tradition was to raise the children to improve the society for their children."- Mwalimu Baruti

***Daily Affirmation***

i must be a warrior. i must be an Afrikan father. i must be self-full. i must challenge myself daily to grow, to love my people in and through action. To reflect that love at all times. To be optimistic. To know that victory is in front of US.

____________________________
"the real pyramids were built with such precision that you can't slide a piece of paper between two 4,000 lb stones, and have shafts perfectly aligned so that you can see a tiny aperture through dozens of these mammoth blocks

  

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208. "RE: Wisdom of Our Ancestors"
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If you Ever want to Know Anything...Ask Nature.

"The best index to a person's character is how he treats people who can't do him any good & how he treats people who can't fight back"-Abigail Van Buren

I'm Certified

  

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