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It was basically what i was expecting. I honestly hope you re-read what i typed and understood that not everything i put down was in reference to you, but you decided to insinuate it was. That's all good, i'm not a paranoid artist.<P>>>Mostly toward "qoolquest".<P>>why the quotes? just curious. <BR>It's your "handle", not your real name, that's why. Sorry if it offended you, i wasn't aware of the internet possessing feelings.<BR>> <BR>>>Ok, a brief piece of history of <BR>>>my work in the industry, over <BR>>>the past 5 years i've worked <BR>>>as an A&R and head of <BR>>>promotions for various record labels, Universal <BR>>>and BMG as examples, and i <BR>>>presently produce, most notably, tracks <BR>>>for Rascalz, Channel Live and Shabaam <BR>>>Shadeeq.<P>> ok, but n---nevermind. i'll countinue. <P>No, by all means continue. You were about to say something along the lines of "but BMG isn't a record label", it is if you dwell outside of North America.<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>>>That had nothing to do with anything, <BR>>>but just to let ya'll know <BR>>>i'm not typing here as a <BR>>>fan, or someone working at a <BR>>>label, but as someone with knowledge <BR>>>of both sides of things. <BR>>>I noticed, Quest, your use of the <BR>>>word "ignorant" to describe alot of <BR>>>the cats who challenged you, for <BR>>>the most part i agree alot. <BR>>> Asking 5 - 10$ for <BR>>>a concert is unheard of in <BR>>>Hip Hop. People don't understand that <BR>>>in this industry the labels KNOW <BR>>>Hip Hop is the most popular <BR>>>music in the world, therefor there's <BR>>>ALOT of money with the people <BR>>>who will come to concerts. <BR>>>But back to the "letter". The <BR>>>entire thing was focused around The <BR>>>Roots going to perform at a <BR>>>21 and over club, rather than <BR>>>an under-agers club. Alot of <BR>>>people missed the point, and side <BR>>>tracked it. <BR>>>I don't see why the Roots shouldn't <BR>>>perform at an all-ages gig. Or <BR>>>any Hip hop act for that <BR>>>matter. In the industry we know <BR>>>the Hip Hop "buyers" demographic to <BR>>>be in the teenage years. Why <BR>>>should they miss out? It's <BR>>>a given that the promoters have <BR>>>"deals" with 21 clubs (and the <BR>>>alcohol makes alot of money for <BR>>>them), and generally under-ages clubs are <BR>>>more costly to hire. But, labels <BR>>>like your own, MCA/Universal put money <BR>>>into assuring concerts go ahead where <BR>>>the demographics are at their highest. <P>>ok, well there is a problem with <BR>>that statement. my label (or any <BR>>label) has about as much to <BR>>do with concert shows, as puff <BR>>has to do with roots production. <BR>- That's a lie. Labels promote tours because they inturn promote the artists, and increase record sales. Prime example, DuckDown records. They work directly with promoters through their own label to organize concerts. <P>>label's deal with records, "agents" deal <BR>>with concerts. <BR>><BR>><BR>><BR>>>It's also a given that there <BR>>>will be "pc people" who dance <BR>>>around saying "you can't say that <BR>>>word infront of my childs face!", <BR>>>and that's the main obsticle. <BR>>>I hate punk, but i won't go <BR>>>there. The reason rock/punk acts do <BR>>>"cheap" shows is not because they're <BR>>>"do it yourself" groups or performances, <BR>>>it's because the music isn't selling <BR>>>to the level Hip hop is. <BR>>><BR>>>Now, the biggest problem i had, "qoolquest", <BR>>>was with this "established" artists shit <BR>>>you were trying to pull. Which <BR>>>is it? 6 albums or gold <BR>>>albums? In both reasoning, <BR>>>Gangstarr was never "established" until last <BR>>>year. EPMD are yet to <BR>>>be "established", as with Brand Nubian, <BR>>>Kid Frost, King T, Just-Ice, Alkaholiks, <BR>>>M.O.P, the entire B.C.C and Beatnuts. <BR>>> You're not established in industry <BR>>>terms until you release your first <BR>>>album on a major label.<P>>my friend you are sadly mistaken. the <BR>>"established" thing was a footnote. a <BR>>mere side order in a bigger <BR>>point that i was trying to <BR>>make. i will re-define what i <BR>>believe this term to mean. being <BR>>part of the roster at william <BR>>morris talent agency (which controls 70% <BR>>of the entertainment industry)in the department <BR>>of music (namely hip-hop) there are <BR>>2 different catagories: 1) artists who <BR>>are able to sell out a <BR>>venue between 2,500-and 5,000 seats. 2) <BR>>and artists who don't. <BR>>sorry but when on the phone with <BR>>my agent and a promoter that's <BR>>the paraphrased term we used to <BR>>describe an act that has strong <BR>>power on the road. however there <BR>>are artists that are our favorites <BR>>that can't fill that slot just <BR>>yet. <P>- In that instance, your term for "established" doesn't stand, you should have used something along the lines of "popular" blah blah blah. <P>>in 96 prior to "the score" the <BR>>fugees were not able to do <BR>>the "Ready or not" tour in <BR>>the northwest section unless the roots <BR>>were on the bill. of course <BR>>it was a whole new song <BR>>once the album got in everyone's <BR>>system. <BR>>so at wma the idea is to <BR>>put an established group with 2 <BR>>non established. i wasn't being condescending <BR>>when using titles. just understand that <BR>>the laws of relativity work strong <BR>>in the concert stage. sure we <BR>>can be "established" on a certain <BR>>level. but in lauryn's eyes busta <BR>>is more established because of his <BR>>media exposure. <P>- When did i mention Lauryn's eyes? I mean, if you make a statement, back it up. Don't twist and turn words to suit the occassion.<P>i'm not in the <BR>>dark. of course i know gang <BR>>starr is etablished et al. and <BR>>gold dosn't mean that you are <BR>>not established. just ignore what i <BR>>said, i'm aware what an "established <BR>>artist is. <P>Point is, you typed it, why can i not address it?<BR>><BR>><BR>> <BR>>>Eminem was not "established" until he <BR>>>released his album on Aftermath. <BR>>>Cru were not "established" until they <BR>>>did their thing on Def Jam. <BR>>><BR>>>In conclusion, i feel "qoolquest", you need <BR>>>to be more direct in your <BR>>>responses, not all of us are <BR>>>ignorant to the industry. And none <BR>>>of us need to be treated <BR>>>like we are. If you don't <BR>>>attempt to educate us, how are <BR>>>we gonna know?<P>>again money, you are concentrating on a <BR>>footnote, a side comment. something not <BR>>at all i was even thinkin <BR>>would get dissected once i said <BR>>it.......but "qoolquest" is more than capable <BR>>of effin up specially when all <BR>>my posts are done in between <BR>>4am-6am. <P>I'm sayin though, why are you trying to attack me through your own faults? your statements are bold, as are mine. I expect retort, why don't you?<P>> Or do you <BR>>>want more letters requesting your performance <BR>>>at underager clubs? <BR>>>And, to the rest of you on <BR>>>this board, and others. I don't <BR>>>mean to be some "evil man <BR>>>from ruin your life land" or <BR>>>anything, but why are ya'll so <BR>>>strung up on "This group is <BR>>>gods gift to my life"? <BR>>>"qoolquest" is out for loot, like <BR>>>everyone in Hip hop is.<P>>well the truth is.............well i don't wanna <BR>>tell you the reason because i <BR>>heard that all former promotion guys <BR>>are ex drug addicts anyway. just <BR>>fustrated artists, not smart enough to <BR>>hold a real white color job. <BR>>so no need in wasting your <BR>>time, will you shoot that needle <BR>>in your arms. <P>Another bold statement, i'm sure Brim and the T.S promotions crew would be interested in reading.<BR>><BR>> <BR>>>He just happens to love what <BR>>>he does to make that loot.<P>>if you must know yes i need money to survive. ut how much do you think i have samrty?<P>Funny, cause i was justifying your stand on this whole concert thing, but if you wanna try to attack me by re-itterating what i already typed previously, but adding snide comments, so be it. you're making yourself out to look worse.<P>> <BR>>> Standing behind him begging or <BR>>>standing up and stating what's on <BR>>>your mind, and letting the man <BR>>>defend himself and attempt to justify <BR>>>his actions and thoughts don't change <BR>>>him. And they shouldn't change <BR>>>him.<P>> can't be helped. i'm hopeless. <BR>> i'm sure by this point you <BR>>are either very shocked, or pissed <BR>>by the previous statement. if you <BR>>are human i hope so, so <BR>>know you know what that shit <BR>>feels like. the truth is, you <BR>>do not know me, or the <BR>>reasons behind why i do shows. <BR>>so that statement is none too <BR>>bright to say unless you happen <BR>>to be in the room next. <P>Exactly what i typed, but to everyone else on this board, perhaps you need to stay off the drugs you're on. They're making you paranoid. As i stated previously, not everything in my post was directed at you.<BR>><BR>><BR>> Can we have an <BR>>>indepth discussion on issues surrounding the <BR>>>industry relations with "fans" without the <BR>>>"oooohhh i just love your group"? <BR>>>or the "fuck your group cause <BR>>>i said so" shit? <BR>>>Peace. <P>>well, you seem to have all the <BR>>answers so imma ask you since <BR>>you say that we are esteemed <BR>>collegues in "the industry" <P>- I don't know you personnally, i'm not your collegue, and personnally anyone associated with Universal/MCA needs their heads examined.<P>you tell <BR>>me the reason why most promoters <BR>>choose to do 21 shows. and <BR>>no it's not alcohol loot either. <BR>>i need to know. thanks. <P>- I already answered that question, under age clubs cost more, you know why? Sure you do, come on, think hard. It'll come. Don't strain too hard though you might pop your brain cell.<P><BR>> "....start your own company??!? your parents <BR>>don't have enough money to buy <BR>>you a company!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" <P>Rawkus records kinda proved that one wrong, huh?<BR>
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