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" SC Resource Officer Slams (female) Student"


  

          

Crazy thing about it, the male teacher does nothing smh.

http://www.wistv.com/story/30353999/video-shows-confrontation-between-spring-valley-student-and-school-resource-officer

  

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I'm pretty sure he probably called the officer to get her out of his cla...
Oct 26th 2015
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I'm pretty sure he didn't call him to manhandle her ass.
Oct 26th 2015
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Student who filmed it speaks out
Oct 27th 2015
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so...how do you remove a disruptive student from a desk?
Oct 27th 2015
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valid questions...
Oct 27th 2015
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Anytime you physically touch a student you lost
Oct 27th 2015
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so your solution is talking but from a different angle, ok.
Oct 27th 2015
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Yup. Im right too.
Oct 27th 2015
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      ok? be right nigga, no one said you wasnt, LOL
Oct 27th 2015
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      f'reals...that was just a lil girl being a lil girl...gettin smart
Oct 27th 2015
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      I've been in literally this *exact* scenario.
Oct 27th 2015
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           What do/did you do?
Oct 27th 2015
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                I addressed it calmly.
Oct 27th 2015
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                ^^^^^post should end here folks
Oct 27th 2015
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                RE: I addressed it calmly.
Oct 28th 2015
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                ^^^ this. the teacher, and cop unnecessarily escalated the
Oct 28th 2015
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                RE: What do/did you do?
Oct 27th 2015
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                     This does play a large part. Can you get kids to like your class?
Oct 27th 2015
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                          ^^^^^
Oct 28th 2015
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this seems more about bruised egos than anything.
Oct 27th 2015
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they say the officer has had racial complaints before
Oct 27th 2015
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      the cop wouldn't have gotten called if (Fill in the blank)
Oct 28th 2015
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           the cop wouldn't have gotten called if the teacher and admin hadn't
Oct 28th 2015
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                Overreacted? Like the girl who ignored 3 authority figures?
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                     the girl didn't 'overreact'. she misbehaved.
Oct 28th 2015
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                          She would have been punished appropriately if she LEFT
Oct 28th 2015
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                               there was no need for her to leave the classroom or be forcibly removed...
Oct 28th 2015
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                               There wouldn't be a cop if she took orders from teachers/admin
Oct 28th 2015
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                                    RE: There wouldn't be a cop if she took orders from teachers/admin
Oct 28th 2015
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                               Polic should not be in schools in the first place
Oct 28th 2015
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My old teachers would of did the same thing
Oct 27th 2015
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      they also WOULD'VE cringed at your use of 'would of'
Oct 27th 2015
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           http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WbKpMjrNJm4/hqdefault.jpg
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                ...
Oct 27th 2015
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You discipline them after class. Simple and plain.
Oct 27th 2015
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RE:
Oct 27th 2015
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its like they already decided the set consequences for
Oct 27th 2015
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Exactly, I never gave any student enough power to disrupt class...
Oct 28th 2015
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i would've left the room with the rest of my class.
Oct 27th 2015
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What do you do? How 'bout call her parent(s) or guardian?
Oct 27th 2015
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Slowly start tipping the desk until they're forced to get up or fall.
Oct 27th 2015
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You don't
Oct 28th 2015
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      the question doesnt say her actions warranted anything
Oct 28th 2015
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           Your question was so shockingly dumb for an adult
Oct 29th 2015
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                bitch if i wanted to blame the girl i would, get over yourself
Oct 29th 2015
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                     YOU STEPPED WAY OVER THE LINE WIT THAT ONE
Oct 29th 2015
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                     You're loud and wrong you Uncle Tom piece of shit
Oct 29th 2015
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Absolutely vile.
Oct 27th 2015
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I would be in jail right now for beatin the brake dust off his ass
Oct 27th 2015
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Need to beat your daughters ass for being a disrespectful shit...
Oct 27th 2015
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      much more fun beatin his and anyone who rides for him
Oct 27th 2015
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      I swear y'all niggas are the worst
Oct 27th 2015
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      ^^^WENT THERE.
Oct 27th 2015
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      ^^ someone had to
Oct 27th 2015
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      That response didn't warrant that kind of abuse or agression
Oct 27th 2015
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      jeez
Oct 27th 2015
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      LOL. Y'all tough type. But if a grown ass man mollywopped ya daughter
Oct 27th 2015
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      who's troll alias are you?
Oct 27th 2015
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      Christ on the cross ..
Oct 27th 2015
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lmao i flipped a desk on a classmate like that once before.
Oct 27th 2015
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Don Lemon got that uncut...:
Oct 27th 2015
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anybody saying this dude was justified in using THAT kind of force..
Oct 27th 2015
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      and it was a GIRL....
Oct 27th 2015
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Im not saying he shoulda flipped her desk, but i understand (c) Rock
Oct 27th 2015
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Help me understand why you ''understand''...
Oct 27th 2015
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      funny how size and authority didnt matter while she was refusing
Oct 27th 2015
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           so you're saying she deserved it?
Oct 27th 2015
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                RE: so you're saying she deserved it?
Oct 27th 2015
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                     Whether you find the suggestion of calling her parents laughable,
Oct 27th 2015
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An alleged video of the Deputy squatting 940 pounds.
Oct 27th 2015
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Won't watch the video BUT I am confident that the white demonry levels r
Oct 27th 2015
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So the girl didn't listen to the teacher, principal, and officer
Oct 27th 2015
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i wouldn't have gotten her out of the classroom.
Oct 27th 2015
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So you think she would have showed up to the admin's office after class?
Oct 27th 2015
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yes. and if not she'd have been disciplined.
Oct 27th 2015
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i'm so glad i'm not a teacher...i don't have the patience to deal with
Oct 27th 2015
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      she shouldn't have been criminally charged.
Oct 27th 2015
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      we in this dudes district
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      heh.
Oct 27th 2015
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      the only one to overreact was the cop
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           so this coon thinks it's cool to ARREST CHILDREN...
Oct 29th 2015
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                please show me where I said this
Oct 30th 2015
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                     You didn't. You DID say teachers should have kids arrested for disrespec...
Oct 30th 2015
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      basically...
Oct 28th 2015
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If she didn't, she'd almost certainly be suspended.
Oct 27th 2015
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She was insubordinate, I was kicked out of classes for similar shit
Oct 27th 2015
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      Then, I'm sad to say, you had poor teachers.
Oct 28th 2015
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who said anything about race?
Oct 27th 2015
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Nope, the only acceptable questions are why a police officer assaulted a...
Oct 27th 2015
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I don't know why the teacher is getting blamed for anything.
Oct 27th 2015
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      then the protocol needs to be changed.
Oct 27th 2015
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      'the teacher created this problem - not the girl' <-- the REAL problem
Oct 27th 2015
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      haha this.
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      I mean...the teacher probably has rules about phones...
Oct 27th 2015
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           and thankfully the student who recorded this incident using his phone
Oct 27th 2015
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           This, respectfully, is bullshit.
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      HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THE ABUSE!!!
Oct 27th 2015
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      This all happened in the span of like 3 seconds
Oct 27th 2015
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           I agree that it could have gone down quick from his POV...
Oct 27th 2015
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      he's a pussy...plain and simple...u watched a lil girl get drug
Oct 27th 2015
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      man, I quit
Oct 27th 2015
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      Because one of the first things you learn when getting certified...
Oct 28th 2015
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You know how many kids in schools don't listen to teachers/admins?
Oct 27th 2015
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well said
Oct 27th 2015
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http://i.minus.com/izA8HlTTNn5RZ.gif
Oct 27th 2015
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No one here will give you a straight answer to this:
Oct 27th 2015
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I wouldn't have tried is a straight answer.
Oct 27th 2015
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What if she was playing Candy Crush at full volume?
Oct 27th 2015
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      she wasn't playing Candy Crush w/the volume up.
Oct 27th 2015
i gave a straight answer.
Oct 27th 2015
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Fair enough
Oct 27th 2015
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      also, Frank Longo (an actual teacher) has said what he'd have done.
Oct 27th 2015
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EXIT CLASSROOM WITH THE REST OF THE STUDENTS
Oct 27th 2015
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      Like, the teacher and the other students all leave?
Oct 27th 2015
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      That's how I'd do it too if it was that bad.
Oct 27th 2015
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      lol that's the library is for
Oct 27th 2015
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           or that. it's been a while since i've been in a high school man
Oct 27th 2015
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      classroom of 30: teacher + 29 students exit.
Oct 27th 2015
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      I'd do that if I thought the student was being truly disruptive.
Oct 27th 2015
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      i read the account of the student filming...it's admin's fault
Oct 27th 2015
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           Honestly, the teacher didn't need to call the admin either.
Oct 27th 2015
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                very true.
Oct 27th 2015
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      umm, if im the disruptive student im leaving with the class...lol
Oct 28th 2015
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           RE: umm, if im the disruptive student im leaving with the class...lol
Oct 29th 2015
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EXIT CLASSROOM WITH THE REST OF THE STUDENTS
Oct 27th 2015
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She didn't need to be expelled from the classroom...
Oct 28th 2015
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you know this shit happens all the time, right?
Oct 29th 2015
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SROs are only supposed to use force when necessary...
Oct 27th 2015
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excessive force
Oct 27th 2015
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They're both wrong
Oct 27th 2015
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They were both wrong, but there's a solution to this kind of shit
Oct 27th 2015
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Plenty of schools do have this, including mine.
Oct 27th 2015
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      let 'em keep the phones then, but use these
Oct 27th 2015
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           It's not a problem for 99% of students.
Oct 27th 2015
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                just because you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't.
Oct 27th 2015
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                     There's so much awesome in this post I can't tackle it all
Oct 27th 2015
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                          she's gotten off track a number of times due to it
Oct 27th 2015
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Okp never fails to disappoint
Oct 27th 2015
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thank you
Oct 27th 2015
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that was just a cracker trying to show her who was boss
Oct 27th 2015
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something tells me that guy would behave the same with any color
Oct 27th 2015
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      Maybe, but folks wouldn't be as loud & proud to blame the victim tho if ...
Oct 27th 2015
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      i disagree....
Oct 27th 2015
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      In the gawker article there have been claims made against him for...
Oct 27th 2015
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The fact is the if she was a white female no force would've been used.
Oct 27th 2015
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not disagreeing but would a white girl act out that way?
Oct 27th 2015
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WOW.
Oct 27th 2015
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perfect example of how ignorance is dangerous. *smh*
Oct 27th 2015
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congrats you've jumped all the way to the conclusion
Oct 27th 2015
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wow for reporting what I've seen in the classroom?
Oct 27th 2015
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yikes
Oct 27th 2015
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+2 points for race hate. +1 point for caping for white girls
Oct 27th 2015
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you didn't read that did you?
Oct 27th 2015
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      Because its a stereotype
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           my conclusion is they are less likely to act out in 'that way'
Oct 27th 2015
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yoooooooooooooooo you really went there
Oct 27th 2015
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where is there? A report form my time teaching in the school system?
Oct 27th 2015
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      what city
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           Montgomery County Maryland
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                LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...YO STOP!!!!!!!!
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                     Okay if you want to come at it that way.
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                          people from MoCo are rich n docile..so the white folks
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                               you have an interesting definition of rich
Oct 28th 2015
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                                    I guess the rest of the world does too bruh....#11
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                                         it's not a pissing contest and those schools aren't in the majority
Oct 28th 2015
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                                              like white kids do huh
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                                                   or Asian or Arab or Indian -- take your pick
Oct 28th 2015
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                                                        while I'm @ it?... check your tone playboy
Oct 28th 2015
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                                                             Don't call me by my government name on these boards.
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                                                                  I have no idea what u talkin about with government names
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                                                                       who is justifying the officers actions in this (our) exchange?
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                                                                            white kids arent taught to respect authority or get out of the way...
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                                                                                 I said 'in that way' and you can substitute AFRICAN, ARAB, CHINESE
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                                                                                 I bet you if we were IN Africa, Arabia or China you would find
Oct 29th 2015
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                                                                                 But we aren't. Stop arguing just to argue.
Oct 29th 2015
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                                                                                 u told on yourself....no more 'argument' from me
Oct 29th 2015
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                                                                                 nah -- I've always had a 'know your enemy' stance
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Oh wait we're mad because I said we have different backgrounds
Oct 27th 2015
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White kids don't challenge authority?
Oct 27th 2015
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      Not saying they don't - Here in my laughable neck of the woods
Oct 27th 2015
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I knew this white supremact act was some bullshit... lmao
Oct 27th 2015
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I know you've been waiting a long time to type that
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      This isnt the first time I typed it..
Oct 29th 2015
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           how can you talk about racism if you don't talk about white supremacy?
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my friend! i can't believe you typed this.
Oct 28th 2015
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I know -- questions about our own actions are dangerous in general
Oct 28th 2015
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children will act unwisely. count on that.
Oct 28th 2015
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      I'm talking about behavior you're talking about something else
Oct 28th 2015
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           'nobody is behaving properly in this scenario -- that's just the truth'
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                RE: 'nobody is behaving properly in this scenario -- that's just the tru...
Oct 28th 2015
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                     no. you wil not absolve the adults for their behavior.
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                          I'm not absolving them they should be disciplined but they won't change
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you saying he went to school in a safe, lilly white area?
Oct 29th 2015
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      should we divide on skin tones as well since were using education
Oct 29th 2015
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this girl seemed pretty calm though
Oct 28th 2015
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When your true beliefs slip out like....
Oct 28th 2015
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Heaven forbid our kids be taught how to avoid their enemies
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      ^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!
Oct 28th 2015
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      um hum...
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           usually you have well formed and thought provoking things to say
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Omfg... are you serious?
Oct 29th 2015
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Round and round. This is why we cant have nice things.
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      Foh with nice things...I'm trying to get free
Oct 29th 2015
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           If you wan't freedom get on a plane to some other country.
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                No thanks...I'll stay and fight for freedom in the land my
Oct 29th 2015
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                     Fight what and how? But if that's what you want go for it?
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Worst shit I read it weeks. Please put this nigga in the database.
Oct 29th 2015
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fool I am the database
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I was wondering what had made this go POAST
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man i seen SROs and teachers toss up ppl of all races in school.
Oct 27th 2015
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Stop dismissing the racialized & gendered violence Black girls face b/c
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      ^^^^^this is what I think a lot of the disregard for Blk women boils dow...
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      you say it like i aint seen it with my own two. often.
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      RIGHT??
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xvoOEbljM
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my bad the girl is Latina
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Someone should crack his skull
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wtf man...i would not want to be touching any student like that...especi...
Oct 28th 2015
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RE: The fact is the if she was a white female no force would've been use...
Oct 27th 2015
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I went to one of those old school catholic elementary schools
Oct 27th 2015
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LoL, omg...I will never forget Sister Irene & her arctic death grip!
Oct 27th 2015
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ROTFL at strongest grip
Oct 27th 2015
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2nd grade, several kids were lined up in front of the room...
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Does anybody think reason we have to have "school resource officers"...
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they're supposed to respond to lockdown situations
Oct 27th 2015
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"school resource officers" are not for what's in that video
Oct 27th 2015
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lol...when?
Oct 27th 2015
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no. i think it's more about lawyers than kids.
Oct 27th 2015
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i'm amazed how you consistently stay on the wrong side of everything.
Oct 27th 2015
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School Resource Officer is the political term for Cop in School
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the reason why they are needed is obvious
Oct 28th 2015
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no. it's a part of the militarization of american private life
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      ^^^ sees the forest ^^^
Oct 29th 2015
      im struggling to see the private part *snickers*
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Glad some of yall arent teachers....
Oct 27th 2015
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Glad some of these folks aren't parents either.
Oct 27th 2015
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      My kid acts up in class, PUNCH HER IN THE FUCKING FACE
Oct 27th 2015
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           ^ old school.
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           that good home training
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                man...if i got dragged like that child did...
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                using terror to keep kids in line always worked.
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                     basically nm
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                     RE: using terror to keep kids in line always worked.
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           Kids that don't follow orders need to be tazed. Repeatedly.
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                Why not cut off a hand?
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                     I think you should be able to pith a kid right there in the classroom
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RE: SC Resource Officer Slams (female) Student
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why are folks so quick to jump to a "mentally disturbed" defense???
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      RE: why are folks so quick to jump to a "mentally disturbed" defense???
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Adrian Peterson
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Do we have any actual OkayTeachers? How would you have handled...
Oct 27th 2015
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questions answered all up in this post already
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Several have replied in here. None agree with you.
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RE: Several have replied in here. None agree with you.
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      and I have friends that are veteran city public high school teachers...
Oct 27th 2015
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           This is not one of those schools.
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           from the link YOU posted...
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                ... did you think you were making a strong counterpoint?
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           school staff have diverse reactions to the incident in SC
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           Who are you, and what did you do with ThaTruth?
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I was an actual teacher who faced this exact same scenario.
Oct 27th 2015
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Actually you said you never had a student refuse to leave the class
Oct 28th 2015
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      Because I knew the student wouldn't have left, so I didn't ask.
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           So where and what kind of school did you teach in and what subject...
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                lol my man is like "WHERE exactly should I move these goalposts?"
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                     LMAO!!
Oct 28th 2015
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                     Lol it's ridiculous
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                     LOL
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                     Womp Womp
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                     Its called a discussion, genius. Teaching glee club at Sunnyvale...
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                     yes, we all know you're seeking to discredit Longo
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                          He acts this way toward me on multiple boards for reasons unknown.
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                          i'm not surprised.
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                          lol, wtf are you talking about dude? Outside of college basketball...
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                          Not surprised
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                          Its called a discussion, genius. Context is everything, being a big time...
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                               yes i understand ad hominem attacks pretty well.
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                                    RE: yes i understand ad hominem attacks pretty well.
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                                         What are their names? What do they teach? How long?
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                                         ^^^^^
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                                         uh huh.
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                                              You don't have to take my word for it. Talk to some CPS peeps and ask...
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                                                   i've already talked to 2 of them, homie.
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                                                        RE: i've already talked to 2 of them, homie.
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                                                             why does it matter??
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                                                             One of the other students told us.
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                                                             RE: i've already talked to 2 of them, homie.
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                     lolol
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                     LOL
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I've been a teacher and I've faced this scenario.
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Student who recorded the incident was also arrested and charged (link).
Oct 27th 2015
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God bless that young lady
Oct 27th 2015
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amen.
Oct 27th 2015
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The fuck??
Oct 28th 2015
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Our "resource officer" was so butter soft.
Oct 27th 2015
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WTF!... is that a WSHH video?
Oct 27th 2015
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There's no reason to remove a non-violent child with force, period.
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ya again its like we skipped all the normal shit that a student
Oct 27th 2015
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      That's the perfect description
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      thats the only place i can think of where that is acceptable
Oct 27th 2015
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      Yeah it's disgusting.
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I can't believe anyone sane would defend this vile
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FUCK EVERY ONE IN HERE DEFENDING THIS
Oct 27th 2015
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This was excessive and dangerous. No excuse
Oct 27th 2015
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Its a gang of UncleToms & Housenegros in this thread!
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LMFAO!!
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*edit*
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my MIL was an educator and when we watched this she said...
Oct 28th 2015
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wonderful, we were dying to know what your MIL would do in this sich
Oct 28th 2015
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bruh!
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lol...right...ninja Kwesi woke up this morning on 10
Oct 28th 2015
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i hate you... lol
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lolz
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Your MIL is overreacting.
Oct 28th 2015
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maybe, but i think once you ask a student to leave and they refuse...
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asking the girl to leave class is doing too much.
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RE: Your MIL is overreacting.
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      that makes sense.
Oct 28th 2015
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My wife is on the phone with her mother (a teacher) as I type this
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Teenagers are expected to be teenagers. Adults need to be adults.
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Nah, 'cause up and down in this thread y'all admonishing the teacher
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      Actually you do because the officer has been fired..
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           guess you haven't been to SC...the charges won't be dropped...
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                doubt it.
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basically...
Oct 28th 2015
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      when did you become such an Uncle Tom?
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           The character Uncle Tom gave his life for his fellow enslaved African
Oct 29th 2015
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           Is that your rationalization for sounding like a Tom in this post?
Oct 29th 2015
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                Is that what one who would lay their life down for another sounds like?
Oct 29th 2015
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                     Hey! Where'd you go? I thought we were name calling here!?
Oct 29th 2015
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                     You are laying down your life for another in this post?
Oct 29th 2015
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                          Am I saying that I am? I don't recall saying that.
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                               how about calling you a sell-out, a coon,
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                               Meh -- at least it's more intelligent than Uncle Tom
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                               dont recall saying anything about laying down ur life til u mentioned it
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                                    Did you call 1-800-TRY-HARD before typing this?
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           RE: when did you become such an Uncle Tom?
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It didn't even require that. The teacher's reaction made it a bigger dea...
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Exactly. The teacher is complicit in the criminalization of children.
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      Yeah, that indicates to me poor classroom management skills.
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      Sadly, the Sheriff actually has the most sense of all the involved adult...
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      That's going a little far imo.
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           They are if they failed to report the officer endangering the child...
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           Oh that makes more sense.
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           I didn't say complicit in the assault. I said complicit in the..
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                Nah.
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                     y'all are arguing over the wrong thing.
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                     Either way the teacher is a pussy for not speaking up..
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                     The teacher should've never had to escalate the issue.
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                          ^^
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                     This wasn't a noise complaint.
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or they could have waited til class ended
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smh. No excuse for what took place.
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What the hell is SRO? they have guns?
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Shocked this post did numbers. There should have been on post saying
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gotta hear both sides (c) Don Lemon & assorted other assholes.
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Yah really.
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Post #4 is what the majority of discussion here is about
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      sadly this is where we are with race relations today
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He's Fired
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something all sides should be able to agree on.
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Fired (link)
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WAIT, WAIT, WAIT...being disruptive in a classroom = a crime...WTF?
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hello.
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Its unfortunately called = film a cop doing bad, expect 'legal' reprecus...
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      but they need the FBI to investigate criminal charges against the office...
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           my biggest issue with the whole thing....why he aint charged
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                because he's a cop.
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                     it was a rhetorical ? just like the Eric Garner shit
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those kids were chillin hard tho... 2 of them didn't even flinch
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she showed no aggression, force shouldn't have been used
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the girl is an orphan (link/swipe)
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I wanna see more heads roll.
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Yup!
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yeah, if they knew what was going on with ol' girl, they definitely f'd ...
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AS A TEACHER YOU GOT TO KNOW YOUR KIDS
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i hope this officer has a house/assets.
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I'm trying to imagine the responses to this news.
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Follow the rules is the still the motive.
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      yall killin me with the &quot;but&quot;...
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           Stop excusing her role in this. Comply. No cops.
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                so her not giving up her phone is the "more pertinent fact"?...
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                     Had she complied, no cops would have been called
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                          sure except we all know of cases where cops are called
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                               You don't get to post-hoc examine shit. The cop was wrong too.
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                                    "I already can't turn on the radio. I think I'm gonna drop one more alb...
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that just crushed me, i swear
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Exactly why teenagers should be treated like... I don't know...
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Ppl want the girl to be made accountable. As if being battered, arrested...
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      I'm really disgusted by it all. Like, seriously.
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           Our conditioning is conditioned.
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^ that's the 'more info' for Don Lemon's Tom-ass.
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I want the Teacher and Admin FIRED too
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All u weirdos, closet Ben Carson acolytes and "New" Blacks....
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Comply with the teacher, and the cop doesn't get called.
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^^Type to ask a rape victim: what they were wearing & why were they
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don't go out alone, rapist won't bother you!!!
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don't be a woman and you won't get raped!
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Way to scrape the barrel. Comply = No cop interaction
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      and for her bad behavior the recently orphaned foster girl has been batt...
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           Bruh!!! Talk that shit!!
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           You want compassion? Follow the rules.
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                arlier, smaller studies, researchers also found that Americans with the ...
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RE: Comply with the teacher, and the cop doesn't get called.
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      Doesn't matter. The time for all of this talking is before the cop is ca...
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           yes. b/c the adults' conduct is what's worthy of discussion in this sto...
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                So don't bring up the cop w/o understanding WHY he was called
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                     i know why the cop was called.
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                          Do as you're told. Period. Students are not the authority
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                          i place most of the blame for all of this on the teacher and the admin a...
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                               1. do as you're told 2. I'm glad the cop was fired
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                                    nd demanded that they also be detained in solidarity. Police fired stun...
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                                    "Doing as your told" doesn't protect Black children from violence
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                                         If she'd left the classroom, what would we discuss?
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                                              if she'd stayed home that day this post wouldn't exist.
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                          http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/5-14-2015/7q7hLA.gif
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it's the same bullshit we heard in the wake of the Mike Brown murder.
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it's an epidemic.
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actually its the "New" Blacks who don't believe a child should stay in a...
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could've shot her in the face, and ppl would be like "he's wrong but she...
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see: Mike Brown and Eric Garner.
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the teen was disruptive and caused the intital conflict. the officer esc...
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why do i have to obey cops?
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we should obey authority figures who are in their position of authority
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RE: we should obey authority figures who are in their position of author...
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in general? you have to decide if it's worth it not to
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Students don't have those rights in public schools. No insubordination
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      "certain" students don't have those rights in public schools. No insubo...
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Sounds familiar...
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oh so nobody's touching this huh? lol
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      you ignores reply 370. why should i obey cops?
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      RE: oh so nobody's touching this huh? lol
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           why can't they both be wrong? Just because one person is wrong doesn't.....
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                RE: why can't they both be wrong? Just because one person is wrong doesn...
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                RE: why can't they both be wrong? Just because one person is wrong doesn...
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                SHE GOT BEAT THE FUCK UP FOR WHAT SHE DID, NUMBNUTS.
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                You don't even think children should be spanked so there's no point in.....
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                     i think children need discipline and correction.
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                nigga said he did what he was ordered to do...ya'll watch way
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                     read the news reports, it says the SRO was "ordered to remove the girl"....
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                          who ordered it....his seargant?...his colonel?...his captain?
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                               are you sure about that?
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                                    i sure am...a SRO is a police officer...they dont take ORDERS
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even w/ the orphan info y'all still want her flogged. I hate you
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Life is rough. But that doesn't change the rules. STFU
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the 8th amendment in that same rule book too....but of course
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      Fuck you ambient1
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      lol....exactly....the white man sure did a number on us
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      This is fantastic satire.
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      RE: Fuck you ambient1
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      BigRed wins; flawless victory.
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      :-)
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      Both were at fault. Don't condone insubordination.
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           why not? says who? why is insubordination bad?
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                Why is insubordination bad? GTFOHWTBS
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                     my kids would spread some disorder.
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                     Her mom is dead.
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Niggas would strangle their own daughter on some honor killing
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      godleeluv said the COP IS A VICTIM.
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      SoWhat said the girl is ABSOLVED OF ALL BLAME
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           you're unraveling
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           She is....ALL the blame for this is on the teacher, administrator, & cop...
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           I think he's merely pointing out that kids will be kids.
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      thanks for making me laugh, fam
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Raven Symone is a tragedy by the way.
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she sits in Hasselbacks chair right?
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i'd think more of her if i believed she was trolling
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she's not clever enough to troll.
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Yup. You can actually see the stupid
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nope she is that stupid
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There's a petition to get her removed from the show lol
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the school resource officer was nicknamed “Officer Slam.”
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and it wasnt racial because his girlfriend is black
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      lol
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Carlos Martin (another Ben Fields victim) interview:
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yikes...
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Another issue I had, for an 11 year vet, and all the touting they were
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      I agree with this...
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           The glaring problem, IMO, with the US media is there is no accountabilit...
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what beer goes best with gumbo? I think Abita
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RE: SC Resource Officer Slams (female) Student
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She was wrong as two left shoes.
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      Who's doing this? What'd they say?
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      thats that NEW nigga narrative, shit waters down the whole cause
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           what cause?
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don't care about any of it
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that's a lot for someone who doesn't care.
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Funny how history is so important in these situations
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I think this is a bigger issue in contrast to the history of the officer...
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What this is really about...
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damn.
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Going VERY off-topic a little bit, being African...
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that shit is wrong in Africa too.
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being African...im completely disgusted by this behaviour
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This was not punishment, it was assault
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some real idiots in here..zero excuse for any student not displaying
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Where are Black children safe? (NYT link)
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he's just a child...
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that child is wrong.
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What that case got to do with this one tho?
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You are a moron.
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Absolutely. WE ARE 100% PRO-TEACHER ASSAULT
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ThaTruth
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1. "I'm pretty sure he probably called the officer to get her out of his cla..."
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>Crazy thing about it, the male teacher does nothing smh.

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2. " I'm pretty sure he didn't call him to manhandle her ass."
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3. "Student who filmed it speaks out "
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http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2015/10/27/student-who-videotaped-incident-speaks-out/74664592/

  

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4. "so...how do you remove a disruptive student from a desk?"
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do you at all?

or do you let them sit there and make everyone else leave?

and before you say she wasnt being disruptive
her refusing to give her phone to the teacher was the disruption


idk man,
the teacher asked....she refused

assistant principal asked....she refused

the officer asked....she refused

what do you do?


ugh
im SO against cell phones in the classrooms
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6. "valid questions..."
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>do you at all?
>
>or do you let them sit there and make everyone else leave?
>
>and before you say she wasnt being disruptive
>her refusing to give her phone to the teacher was the
>disruption
>
>
>idk man,
>the teacher asked....she refused
>
>assistant principal asked....she refused
>
>the officer asked....she refused
>
>what do you do?
>
>
>ugh
>im SO against cell phones in the classrooms
>but times have changed

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7. "Anytime you physically touch a student you lost"
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I don't get what imaginary universe people come from where they can't talk a teenager into getting out of a chair, lol. It's not like she was the Rosa Parks of SC, she was being a bratty teenager like most teens are. If you gotta pull WWE moves to get her out of a chair, you lost.

If that happened when I went to school and she refused to get out of a chair most of the battle axes I served under would have kept on teaching, then locked her inside and called her parents after we got up, lol. That's if they couldn't be bothered to verbally take her soul before hand.

  

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8. "so your solution is talking but from a different angle, ok."
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18. "Yup. Im right too."
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I know a bunch of teachers and the first thing they would say is some can hack the job, some can't.

There's a reason why ten minutes in some substitutes are in a corner crying, and some teachers can walk in the hood of the hoodest classrooms and have those motherfuckers stand up straight like it's an ROTC meeting.

The cop should be fired, the teacher obviously needs more work if he can't handle a teenager without 'backup'. It be one thing if she was throwing shit around, yelling in class, all the bitch ain't wanna do is give up her phone and he calls the police on her? LOL. Dude sucks.

  

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20. "ok? be right nigga, no one said you wasnt, LOL"
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21. "f'reals...that was just a lil girl being a lil girl...gettin smart"
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real disruption is when a kid is in your grill


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30. "I've been in literally this *exact* scenario."
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> all
>the bitch ain't wanna do is give up her phone and he calls the
>police on her? LOL. Dude sucks.

In which a boy/girl doesn't wanna give up his/her phone when I request it be handed over.

You don't call fucking security, lol. That's a laughable overreaction.

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42. "What do/did you do?"
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Do you just ignore it completely and move on or did you persist in getting them to comply?

What if a student was actually disruptive? Like making it impossible for class to continue. How do you handle a situation like that?

Please realize that these aren't setup questions to attack your answers. I'm genuinely interested because I'm 98% sure I'm not built for this job lol

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47. "I addressed it calmly."
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>Do you just ignore it completely and move on or did you
>persist in getting them to comply?

I had a kid refuse to give up her phone. I informed her that I'd be writing her up, what her punishment would be, and if I continued to see the phone during class, I'd be writing her up for every subsequent appearance it made. She continued to text for a minute, just to show she wasn't backing down, then put it away once I resumed teaching.

Some kids *aren't* going to back down. You have to be a smart enough teacher to realize what kind of student you are dealing with.

>What if a student was actually disruptive? Like making it
>impossible for class to continue. How do you handle a
>situation like that?

Kids never really did that in my class, because the class dynamic and my respect for them was established early on.

I had a couple of virulently disrespectful kids, but when I asked them to leave the class, they'd leave. Odds are the majority of disrespectful kids won't want to remain in your class anyway-- if they're pissed at you, they really *would* rather leave than stick around. Even if that means sitting in the dean's office. Many would rather do that than stay in the situation that's making them so upset.

And I'd always go down and talk to the kids myself after that class, if I had the time. I'd go let the kid know that I'm not mad at them, I don't hate them, but I've got a job to do. As long as that kid lets me do my job, I won't ever do wrong by them... and if they give my class a chance, they really might learn something that they enjoy. That one-on-one talk with the disrespectful kids worked 90% of the time.

Many of the kids who had the biggest blow-ups in my class ended up being kids who would swing by and say hello in the subsequent years. If they're disrespectful in your class, odds are they're disrespectful *everywhere,* and odds are they need an advocate, or at the very least, they want to feel like there's someone on their side who may have a chance at liking them or treating them the way they'd like to be treated. Whenever I tried to be that person, it pretty much *always* worked out.

>Please realize that these aren't setup questions to attack
>your answers. I'm genuinely interested because I'm 98% sure
>I'm not built for this job lol

Sure. I'm always happy to talk about teaching. There are so many misconceptions about schools/teachers in general, largely fueled by a person's own bad experiences... and there are so many things systemically wrong in our approach that we need to change. I'm happy to talk about all of them.

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88. "^^^^^post should end here folks"
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not sure how this got to 80+ replies

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302. "RE: I addressed it calmly."
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"If they're disrespectful in your class, odds are they're disrespectful *everywhere,* and odds are they need an advocate, or at the very least, they want to feel like there's someone on their side who may have a chance at liking them or treating them the way they'd like to be treated. Whenever I tried to be that person, it pretty much *always* worked out."

You hit it on the bullseye with this post. There's almost always some underlying issues going on with a child that acts in this manner. The solution with these types of people is communication and letting them know someone is there for them not to get physical with them. People don't understand that what that officer did is how you create a criminal not a law abiding upstanding citizen.

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373. "^^^ this. the teacher, and cop unnecessarily escalated the "
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situation.

at some point SOMEBODY needs to think... does it make sense for a child to get a record, let alone be assaulted over a fucking cell phone in class?

this is where the people w/ frontal lobes should be stepping up.


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51. "RE: What do/did you do?"
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Employ good ol peer pressure

"if student _____ isn't going to hand in her phone you all are doing a test" or something of that nature where her individuals action has a group consequence. Let it be a lesson in class cohesion/democracy or whatever LOL

  

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54. "This does play a large part. Can you get kids to like your class?"
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If they like you and/or your class, any disrespectful students will immediately meet with pressure from their peers. Whenever kids tried to sass me, there was always a wave of other kids yelling "SHUT UP!" to that kid.

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193. "^^^^^"
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make your class a community and a LOT of stuff is prevented

  

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23. "this seems more about bruised egos than anything."
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She was defying commands and embarrassing authority figures. She had to be put in her place - by any means necessary.

Perhaps class could've continued and she could've been disciplined after class.

fuck you.

  

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26. "they say the officer has had racial complaints before"
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312. "the cop wouldn't have gotten called if (Fill in the blank)"
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C'mon. The cop got called cause she ain't wanna comply

The cop goofed but she clearly was in the wrong

  

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314. "the cop wouldn't have gotten called if the teacher and admin hadn't "
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overreacted to the girl's bad behavior which was likely rooted in the recent loss of her mother and her being placed in foster care which the teacher or admin should've known.

fuck you.

  

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343. "Overreacted? Like the girl who ignored 3 authority figures?"
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See you won't get away this easily.

1. The girl is and was still in the wrong

2. The cop is in the wrong

  

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345. "the girl didn't 'overreact'. she misbehaved."
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and she should've been punished w/a suspension from school. there was no need for her to leave the classroom or be forcibly removed.

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346. "She would have been punished appropriately if she LEFT"
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what aren't you getting?

The time to fall in line is before the assistant principal gets called

But no, we escalated to the police.

So stop passing the buck of behavior here.

  

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348. " there was no need for her to leave the classroom or be forcibly removed..."
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there was no need for her to leave the classroom or be forcibly removed.

fuck you.

  

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362. "There wouldn't be a cop if she took orders from teachers/admin"
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Stop supporting shitty behavior.

  

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363. "RE: There wouldn't be a cop if she took orders from teachers/admin"
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o lowkey I was down. So I was like "okay I'll go. Who's all going & when we leaving." All this bitch says is "be ready by 8"

So I call her like "bitch I SAID who's all going!" & she says "my boyfriend & our room mate & my room mate has a place in Tampa "

So I'm like ok ok ok. I'll be ready. So I pack my baddest stripper wear & I'm ready. Now my nigga DID NOT want me to go. He was soooooo hurt o I texted her on the slick while in the backseat like "another sugar daddy? U got a type bitch!" & THE BLACL DUDE HAD HER DAMN PHONE!!!

So he starts laughing & he goes "I'm using her GPS. no I'm not a SD I've known her & her dude for 8 years. We all live together.."

So I was like "My bad. Who lives in Tampa?" & black dude (still aint told me his name) goes "my fiance" ...so tht was it. Now we on the road ERE WERE LITERAL PROSTITUTES STANDING WITH THEIR PIMPS OUTSIDE. I SWEAR TO GOD. I said "I have $. I can get my own room. It's fine"

so jessica (the white bitch) pulls me to the side & is like "we gone be at the club all night. This room for Jarrett. not us! dnt even trip"

So I was like yea bitch okay. But trust I am NOT laying my head here. . So we leave our shit at the motel wit Jarrett & head to the club

fuck you.

  

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359. "Polic should not be in schools in the first place"
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Teachers and administrators should be able to handle the kids. The presence of police in schools is not to protect anyone. It's just another feature of the school to prison pipeline.

  

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122. "My old teachers would of did the same thing"
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we keep it moving,

  

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128. "they also WOULD'VE cringed at your use of 'would of'"
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and WOULD HAVE reminded you that 'would of' has no meaning and that you should use either 'would've' or 'would have'.

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129. "http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WbKpMjrNJm4/hqdefault.jpg"
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http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WbKpMjrNJm4/hqdefault.jpg

  

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131. "..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pele5vptVgc

fuck you.

  

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29. "You discipline them after class. Simple and plain."
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I've had students refuse to comply before. It has happened to nearly every teacher. You inform the student that they will be punished, and that if they continue, they will continue to be punished.

You have to know what kind of student you're dealing with, too. If I knew it was the type of kid who wouldn't hand over her phone, I wouldn't have even asked. I would have told her that I was writing her up for having it out, and every time I look over, if I see it still out, I'm writing her up again.

Nothing she could have been doing could have been *that* disruptive. There are ways of handling that situation-- teachers, admins, police all need to be smarter.

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45. "RE: "
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OMG ...1000x Yesss!!!!!
>
>Nothing she could have been doing could have been *that*
>disruptive. There are ways of handling that situation--
>teachers, admins, police all need to be smarter.


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153. "its like they already decided the set consequences for"
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the action arent good enough
and this person needed to be dealt with physically... foh!

  

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249. "Exactly, I never gave any student enough power to disrupt class..."
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if you do, you'll have kids trying it, just to avoid work. Plus, you don't know why the phone was so important to the student. I would get the other kids working and engage the child, b/c there could be a legit reason why she needs to watch her phone. Basically, treat the child like she's a human being.

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65. "i would've left the room with the rest of my class."
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tell admin office my plans and ask for campus security to go to my classroom, email principal/vp/etc why i'm leaving the classroom...bet that student would've left the classroom after all her peers left.

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165. "What do you do? How 'bout call her parent(s) or guardian?"
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>do you at all?
>
>or do you let them sit there and make everyone else leave?
>
>and before you say she wasnt being disruptive
>her refusing to give her phone to the teacher was the
>disruption
>
>
>idk man,
>the teacher asked....she refused
>
>assistant principal asked....she refused
>
>the officer asked....she refused
>
>what do you do?
>
>
>ugh
>im SO against cell phones in the classrooms
>but times have changed

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167. "Slowly start tipping the desk until they're forced to get up or fall. "
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The desk is school property.

  

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357. "You don't "
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You call her parents to intervene. Then you give the student a consequence and implement measures to improve their behavior. This student was recently placed in foster care after the death of her mother. She's experiencing a great deal of trauma and this only added to it. Having a cell phone and refusing to give it to a teacher does not warrant this kind of response.

  

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367. "the question doesnt say her actions warranted anything"
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its amazing that yall instantly jump to that conclusion

every
single
time

please seek professional help

  

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378. "Your question was so shockingly dumb for an adult"
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Your last few sentences definitely attempt to justify that cops actions. Smh.

  

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390. "bitch if i wanted to blame the girl i would, get over yourself"
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asking WHAT DO YOU DO doesnt blame anyone dumbass

  

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403. "YOU STEPPED WAY OVER THE LINE WIT THAT ONE"
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462. "You're loud and wrong you Uncle Tom piece of shit"
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Get the white man's dick out of your mouth.

  

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5. "Absolutely vile."
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fuck you.

  

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9. "I would be in jail right now for beatin the brake dust off his ass"
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w/o hesitation or trepidation

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10. "Need to beat your daughters ass for being a disrespectful shit..."
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11. "much more fun beatin his and anyone who rides for him"
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Coolin...

  

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12. "I swear y'all niggas are the worst "
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14. "^^^WENT THERE."
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________________________________________
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22. "^^ someone had to"
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16. "That response didn't warrant that kind of abuse or agression"
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But I maybe you agree with abusing teens. I'd love to see ho you respond when the police drag you for whatever reason.


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17. "jeez"
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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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19. "LOL. Y'all tough type. But if a grown ass man mollywopped ya daughter"
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for not giving them her phone y'all would be like 'Yay!', lol.

  

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13. "lmao i flipped a desk on a classmate like that once before."
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solid form.

i know its some SROs that wanted to do that to us back in school. adults supposed to know better tho.

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15. "Don Lemon got that uncut...:"
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https://www.facebook.com/AC360/videos/10156282119435533/

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28. "anybody saying this dude was justified in using THAT kind of force.."
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fuck you and everybody that love you. He fuckin drug that child across the floor like he had just bagged a deer.

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31. "and it was a GIRL...."
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fuck em all

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24. "Im not saying he shoulda flipped her desk, but i understand (c) Rock"
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33. "Help me understand why you ''understand''..."
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you feel her "disobedience" warrants to be dragged and pulled by a man twice the size of her?

  

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34. "funny how size and authority didnt matter while she was refusing"
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size of the officer

authority of the officer, teacher, and assistant principal

  

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35. "so you're saying she deserved it?"
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36. "RE: so you're saying she deserved it?"
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its not that simple with me

while the officer could have done it a million different ways
he didnt.

everything leading up to the officer was 100% on the girl

the officer crossing whatever line doesnt absolve her of all fault



i DO find the suggestion of calling her parents laughable

clearly she couldnt give a fuck less about anyone trying to correct her


  

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166. "Whether you find the suggestion of calling her parents laughable,"
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>i DO find the suggestion of calling her parents laughable
>
>clearly she couldnt give a fuck less about anyone trying to
>correct her
>
>
>

or not, Her PARENTS are the ones who are Ultimately responsible for her actions; THEY (i.e., he parents) are the ones who authorities are to hold accountable for HER actions. They (i.e., he parents) need to be notified and involved BEFORE things escalate to this level.

This shit was foul and you can't make it right by diverting blame to the victim.

If her father had done this to her, I'm sure that you would be quick to say he's an unfit parent and that CPS should be called in to intervene or remove the child.

These useless, excuses have got to stop!


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25. "An alleged video of the Deputy squatting 940 pounds."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdIU1ZutqSM
I dont know if its really him.

amother
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA4AS8WOn7E

  

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37. "Won't watch the video BUT I am confident that the white demonry levels r"
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off the charts! The levels of human trash you have to be to do that to a (girl)child AND as an teacher, watch that happen to your student?! I hope jaws are broken, jobs are lost, just horrible & hopefully painful, short lives for those pieces of shit...just like, gross.

Also, add documenting police brutality to the list of reasons why phones are NECESSARY in the classroom.

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38. "So the girl didn't listen to the teacher, principal, and officer"
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How would you have gotten her out of the classroom???

The cop went overboard...but this isn't a race factor...the teacher and principal are black...

It's a bad situation...

  

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39. "i wouldn't have gotten her out of the classroom."
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as the teacher or the admin or the cop i wouldn't have escalated the situation. the girl wasn't doing anything that necessitated her removal from class. i would've gotten over myself and worked through my frustration w/the girl so class could continue w/minimal distraction or interruption.

as the teacher i'd have continued w/class and disciplined her afterward - verbally and possibly in written form. as the admin i'd have directed the girl to come see me in my office after class. as the cop i'd have talked to the admin/teacher outside the classroom and declined to interfere.

fuck you.

  

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41. "So you think she would have showed up to the admin's office after class?"
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44. "yes. and if not she'd have been disciplined."
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the student who recorded the incident claims the girl was apologetic. based on that i think she would've reported to the admin's office after class if directed. and if she didn't i'd have disciplined her.

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2015/10/27/student-who-videotaped-incident-speaks-out/74664592/

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56. "i'm so glad i'm not a teacher...i don't have the patience to deal with"
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other folks kids...

some of them are straight disrespectful...

i think the officer went over the line...

but he was the third option after the teacher and admin couldn't get her to leave...

this happened not too far from where i was raised...so i'm not shocked that it happened...

and i'm not shocked that the teacher and students did nothing...

but at some point...we need to quit just looking at the officer and consider what she did as well...

she got charged with a crime as well...


  

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60. "she shouldn't have been criminally charged."
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yes, the girl was wrong to not give up her phone after having been directed to do so by the teacher. and the teacher overreacted by calling in the admin and the admin and/or the teacher overreacted by calling the cop. and the cop overreacted by being physical w/the girl, taking her into custody and removing her from the school. the prosecutors overreacted by seeking a criminal charge. if any of this was necessitated by policy then the school has a bad policy.

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102. "we in this dudes district"
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109. "heh."
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fuck you.

  

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123. "the only one to overreact was the cop"
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the teacher couldn't get her to fall in line so he had to call in someone else. She still refused. That person called in the cop. The cop could have simply cuffed her and taken her out.

But, shit was escalated appropriately
---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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471. "so this coon thinks it's cool to ARREST CHILDREN..."
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for playing on their phones in class....


where do they make you ppl?

>the teacher couldn't get her to fall in line so he had to
>call in someone else. She still refused. That person called in
>the cop. The cop could have simply cuffed her and taken her
>out.
>
>But, shit was escalated appropriately
>---------------------------
>
>"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the
>peace when we were getting laid out?
>Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances?
>Where is the peace then?
>They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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482. "please show me where I said this"
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I'll wait...

---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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499. "You didn't. You DID say teachers should have kids arrested for disrespec..."
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>the teacher couldn't get her to fall in line so he had to
>call in someone else. She still refused. That person called in
>the cop. The cop could have simply cuffed her and taken her
>out.

Which, if that's the case, we are gonna have to up our jail production tenfold, lol.

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313. "basically..."
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>other folks kids...
>
>some of them are straight disrespectful...
>
>i think the officer went over the line...
>
>but he was the third option after the teacher and admin
>couldn't get her to leave...
>
>this happened not too far from where i was raised...so i'm not
>shocked that it happened...
>
>and i'm not shocked that the teacher and students did
>nothing...
>
>but at some point...we need to quit just looking at the
>officer and consider what she did as well...
>
>she got charged with a crime as well...
>
>
>

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50. "If she didn't, she'd almost certainly be suspended."
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So let her not go to the admin's office. She can earn a suspension.

Eventually, that string of not showing up will result in a call to the parent or guardian saying, "Hey, your kid has out-of-school suspension for the following infractions and subordinate behaviors. We'll see her in 3 days/ a week/whatever."

The only reason a teacher or admin would blow up as a result of her refusing would be a fragile ego.

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76. "She was insubordinate, I was kicked out of classes for similar shit"
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There's no place for insubordination in a classroom. If the teacher says "put it away", you put it up or get kicked out of class.

Shit really is that simple.
---------------------------

"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
They don't want to call for peace then.

  

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305. "Then, I'm sad to say, you had poor teachers. "
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40. "who said anything about race?"
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43. "Nope, the only acceptable questions are why a police officer assaulted a..."
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student & why the teacher called for the officer in the first place.

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46. "I don't know why the teacher is getting blamed for anything."
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He had a disruptive student and he called an authority to assist. Hell, he might have been following protocol to make sure his ass is covered.

Y'all acting like he wanted this dude to abuse her

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48. "then the protocol needs to be changed."
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b/c all of this was ridiculous.

the teacher created this problem - not the girl. yes, the girl defied the teacher but the defiance wasn't so disruptive that class instruction needed to be stalled. the teacher could've kept on w/instruction after a write up. he was doing too much. the girl didn't need to leave the classroom due the alleged infraction (refusing to give him her phone).

fuck you.

  

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52. "'the teacher created this problem - not the girl' <-- the REAL problem"
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199. "haha this."
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57. "I mean...the teacher probably has rules about phones..."
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he gotta stand his ground there for the sake of getting respect from the other students...

i bet you no other student gonna be messing with their phone in his class now...

  

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61. "and thankfully the student who recorded this incident using his phone"
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also violated the teacher's rule if such rule exists.

b/c otherwise we wouldn't have the video.

the teacher could've enforced his rule via more reasonable means. the girl didn't need to leave class or be forcibly removed from class.

fuck you.

  

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86. "This, respectfully, is bullshit."
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>he gotta stand his ground there for the sake of getting
>respect from the other students...

Respect is not enforced, it is earned. Every teacher knows this. Let the punishment do the talking.

If you're a teacher whose ego is not prepared for talkback from a child, you probably shouldn't be a teacher.

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68. "HE DID NOTHING TO STOP THE ABUSE!!!"
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Are you serious right now??

You could live wit yourself witnessing a GIRL being drug across the floor like animal??
As a man how do you not see how disgusting that is?

  

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112. "This all happened in the span of like 3 seconds"
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By the time he was even able to react (if he wanted to), the situation was calmed (she's restrained on the ground).
Was his best course of action to then start wrestling the cop?

You can play that old "I would have done this and that" game, but reality doesn't work like that.

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124. "I agree that it could have gone down quick from his POV..."
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but to do absolutely nothing? I'm sorry but I gotta play that "I would have done this and that" game because honestly I wouldn't have been able to live wit myself I didn't step up.

That teacher could have put his hands up and stopped this immediately MAN to MAN and reminded him what his role was in that school and how as a MAN he's not only violating her but also scarring her for life!If that means me takin an L and standing up for those kids, i'll do it. But, to stand around and do nothing??

He let her down, just like those grownups let that lil sista down in Texas at the pool party. We gotta step up as protectors and stop turning a blind eye,these kids aren't equipped to stand up to these ADULTS who abuse their power.

  

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83. "he's a pussy...plain and simple...u watched a lil girl get drug"
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Coolin...

  

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85. "man, I quit"
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.

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it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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299. "Because one of the first things you learn when getting certified..."
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is classroom management. You deal with minor disruptions all the time. For the most part, you handle them yourself unless the situation is getting loud or violent. When the student refused to give up the cell phone, he could've got the class moving along or waited until after class and addressed the student directly. What you don't want to do is create a big ass scene that ends up being more of a disruption than the original issue.

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49. "You know how many kids in schools don't listen to teachers/admins?"
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A lot. A lot a lot a lot.

They don't all deserve to be slammed. Really, not one of them does, unless they are posing immediate physical danger to another (or, in very rare instances, themselves).

Kids are stubborn smart-mouthed assholes a lot of the time. It's up to teachers/admins/police to rise above that and hold themselves to a higher standard of temperament.

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168. "well said"
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53. "http://i.minus.com/izA8HlTTNn5RZ.gif"
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http://i.minus.com/izA8HlTTNn5RZ.gif



>The cop went overboard...but this isn't a race factor...the
>teacher and principal are black...

Da fuck kinda "Im not racist, my best friend is Black" response is this, Duke?

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55. "No one here will give you a straight answer to this:"
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>How would you have gotten her out of the classroom???


Edit: And, for the record, let me just say that I'd be gathering family to go "looking" for that security guard if that was my child. Completely despicable.

  

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59. "I wouldn't have tried is a straight answer."
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And I think that's most people's position.

The goal of removing her from the class is to prevent her from being a distraction. And punish her.

She can be punished other ways at a later time.

Whatever distraction she was causing couldn't have been as bad as the distraction (among other negative impacts) of seeing a classmate being brutalized by police in a classroom.

It's not that complicated.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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64. "What if she was playing Candy Crush at full volume?"
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Since we're making suppositions. Or --regardless of what she was doing-- she had the volume up?

You don't think that would be distracting to other kids?

Everyone here agrees that the security guard was very wrong, so there's no point in discussing that. What *hasn't* been discussed is, what *should* have been done? Leaving a child to distract other children in class isn't the best solution for the other kids. I would *not* want my kid to have to deal with that nonsense while trying to learn.

>The goal of removing her from the class is to prevent her from
>being a distraction. And punish her.
>
>She can be punished other ways at a later time.
>
>Whatever distraction she was causing couldn't have been as bad
>as the distraction (among other negative impacts) of seeing a
>classmate being brutalized by police in a classroom.
>
>It's not that complicated.

Actually, it must be *very* complicated because no one here has actually presented a idea on what should have been done. Doing nothing isn't the answer either.

  

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"she wasn't playing Candy Crush w/the volume up."
Tue Oct-27-15 12:14 PM by SoWhat

  

          

http://www.wltx.com/story/news/local/2015/10/27/student-who-videotaped-incident-speaks-out/74664592/

^ student who recorded the video gave an interview w/details about what the girl was doing.

>Everyone here agrees that the security guard was very wrong,
>so there's no point in discussing that. What *hasn't* been
>discussed is, what *should* have been done? Leaving a child to
>distract other children in class isn't the best solution for
>the other kids. I would *not* want my kid to have to deal with
>that nonsense while trying to learn.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=12916786&mesg_id=12917155&page=

>Actually, it must be *very* complicated because no one here
>has actually presented a idea on what should have been done.
>Doing nothing isn't the answer either.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_mesg&forum=4&topic_id=12916786&mesg_id=12917155&page=

fuck you.

  

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62. "i gave a straight answer."
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fuck you.

  

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70. "Fair enough"
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71. "also, Frank Longo (an actual teacher) has said what he'd have done."
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and so has Regina Rose.

fuck you.

  

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67. "EXIT CLASSROOM WITH THE REST OF THE STUDENTS"
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>>How would you have gotten her out of the classroom???

i'm willing to bet she would've left an empty classroom in less than 15 minutes. i would've taken the rest of my classroom to the library.

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69. "Like, the teacher and the other students all leave?"
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I had a teacher that would do this when two kids started fighting (back in like 3rd grade). Not a bad idea. It's still disruptive, but hopefully the disruption can be minimized.

  

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72. "That's how I'd do it too if it was that bad."
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Security officer monitor the child until she's ready to go to the dean's office.

Kids who are behaving we're going to finish class out under the trees by the baseball fields and enjoy this fall weather since you're all behaving so well.*



*Obviously weather/facility permitting but you get the idea.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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78. "lol that's the library is for"
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>Security officer monitor the child until she's ready to go to
>the dean's office.
>
>Kids who are behaving we're going to finish class out under
>the trees by the baseball fields and enjoy this fall weather
>since you're all behaving so well.*
>
>
>
>*Obviously weather/facility permitting but you get the idea.

there's an empty classroom somewhere (teachers' preparation period)

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84. "or that. it's been a while since i've been in a high school man"
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we used to have class outside every now and again as a "treat" though. not sure if that's common or not.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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75. "classroom of 30: teacher + 29 students exit."
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leave the unresponsive student back. if the student messes up the classroom take her ass to jail. i'm not going to let one student stop 29 other students from getting their education.

document all the unresponsive students' behaviors before the incident, document what time the classroom exited and the staff/authorities were contacted.

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77. "I'd do that if I thought the student was being truly disruptive."
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If she was just texting or playing Candy Crush, I would've just let her continue to do so and rack up her punishment that she may receive as she heads out the door.

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89. "i read the account of the student filming...it's admin's fault"
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it was the admin who decided to call the SRO. teacher did the right thing and called the admin. adults could've handled the situation a lot better. appropriate split second decisions by the adults would've kept this an everyday occurrence and prevented it from becoming the national story that it is...

the SRO will probably keep his job.

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92. "Honestly, the teacher didn't need to call the admin either."
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97. "very true."
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the power struggle over cell phones in high schools is a nationwide epidemic...

every parent and student signs a cell phone contract before the school year ends. if you're cellphone is out during school hours w/o permission, your phone gets taken away and parent has to collect it after school.

sometimes i'll take kids' cellphones away and tell them "you can get your phone back when the period ends." i'll even try to trick them into giving it up by saying shit like "that's a cool phone. cool phone case. is that a 6s? how do you like it?" or "you can charge it while it's on my desk."

but most of the time its thoughts of "if only your parents knew how you acted in school..."

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218. "umm, if im the disruptive student im leaving with the class...lol"
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like, it's not that easy imo. I would think a student who is being difficult will continue to make t difficult when you try to clear the classroom.

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456. "RE: umm, if im the disruptive student im leaving with the class...lol"
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>like, it's not that easy imo. I would think a student who is
>being difficult will continue to make t difficult when you try
>to clear the classroom.
>
>

that's what i love about the teenage mind: easily manipulated.

"i'f i'm the disruptive student i'm leaving with the class"
-as school staff, that's the results i want. it's peer pressure. everyone else is leaving.

"i would think a student who is being difficult will continue to make it difficult when you try to clear the classroom"
-how would they make it difficult? by getting out of their seat? that's the results i want lol

no snark. it's easier said than done.

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66. "EXIT CLASSROOM WITH THE REST OF THE STUDENTS"
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bet she would've left an empty classroom in less than 15 minutes.

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301. "She didn't need to be expelled from the classroom..."
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unless she was being loud/violent and disrupting others. All the teacher needed to do was to get the other students occupied and then they could've addressed her without it ever needing to be a scene.

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397. "you know this shit happens all the time, right?"
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kids refusing to comply in classrooms?

And it almost never ends up in a child being thrown across a class by a roid raging cop

  

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58. "SROs are only supposed to use force when necessary..."
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i.e. stopping a fight or a person swinging on them.

I don't see how anyone can cosign that level of force. At all.

  

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63. "excessive force"
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73. "They're both wrong"
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74. "They were both wrong, but there's a solution to this kind of shit"
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1. The teacher asks her to stop fuckin with her phone, she didn't. When I was in school acting like that was grounds for a suspension and a call to the folks to make sure they knew why I was suspended.

2. Cop didn't need to get *that* physical, but he did need to get her out of the classroom when so ordered by the faculty. Find a better way.

The solution: Ban cell phones from the classrooms. Go back to the way we used to have it. If there was a family emergency, call the school, the school will get your kid out of class and you come pick them up or whatever. There is never a valid reason for a kid to have a phone in class.

I've heard of at least one school going so far as to deploy GSM/CDMA jammers for the classrooms. Pull out the phone all you want, you ain't gettin a signal. Need to use it? Give a valid reason and step outside the classroom.



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"Where was the peace when we were getting shot? Where's the peace when we were getting laid out?
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79. "Plenty of schools do have this, including mine."
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>The solution: Ban cell phones from the classrooms. Go back to
>the way we used to have it. If there was a family emergency,
>call the school, the school will get your kid out of class and
>you come pick them up or whatever. There is never a valid
>reason for a kid to have a phone in class.

But that doesn't stop kids from bringing them and keeping them in their backpacks. And it doesn't stop rebellious kids from trying to text/snapchat during school.

I don't have the statistics, but I'd be surprised if the number of schools enforcing this hasn't risen annually.

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90. "let 'em keep the phones then, but use these"
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http://www.thesignaljammer.com/pages/School-%7B47%7D-Classroom-Cell-Phone-Jamming.html


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93. "It's not a problem for 99% of students."
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The policy is simple: if we see or hear your phone, 1 day suspension.

If you pull it out or if it rings, 1 day suspension.

The overwhelming majority of kids either don't bring their phone or don't pull it out of their backpack ever.

A couple always try to test the policy.

If a kid was texting in my class, I'd tell the kid to put it away. If the kid didn't, I'm attempt to take it, if I knew the kid well enough. If not, I would do what I said above in the post. A kid texting in class isn't really disruptive, it's just disrespectful. I'm fine with a kid disrespecting me, as long as he/she knows the consequence.

The school doesn't need to put jammers in place just for a couple of disrespectful kids.

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116. "just because you didn't see it happen doesn't mean it didn't."
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These lil kids are sneaky as shit. This is epitomized by my 17 year old. I had to clamp down on her shit waaaay beyond Big Brother because she kept trying to skirt around the rules... And she's home schooled.

During school hours there's to be no cellphone usage at all and you're only to use your computer for school related shit. We thought she was complying until we found that she had her old phone, which was the same model as her current one but broken, put up where we could see it and had the working phone in her possession.

I caught her.

Now that her phone has been taken, she set out to find a way around that. She pulled out her old Android phone and started using it on wifi. One day I happen to run a scan on my network while sharpening my skills using Nmap, found one too many devices on the network and tracked it to her room. She was grounded for it.

Repeat this for her tablets. Technically she has three of them, a 10" joint and two generic 7" tablets the oldest of which she has sworn was so slow it was unusable. I caught her on her two "good" tablets but didn't worry about the other one 'cause it was unusable. Days later I did another sweep of the network and found another device on it. It was her old supposedly unusable tablet. Turns out one afternoon she cleaned off all of the junk that made it run like shit and the thing was working just fine. Grounded for a month after this.

So now all of her shit has been confiscated... Then K12 sent her a Kindle e-reader for her new books. I told the wife one of my coworkers back inna day had one and the thing had a web browser for internet access. My daughter insisted it didn't and the wife sided with her. My daughter ALWAYS had it with her. A month later she left it in the bathroom. I found it and it was opened up to a web page. She got in serious trouble for this one because she played my wife into defending her.

So... everything taken away... You'd think she would get the message: No fucking off during school hours.

HA!

She now tried to use her PC. So far I've caught her:

Clearing her history to avoid us finding out she was fucking off during school hours (which we found anyways)
Using incognito mode in Chrome to avoid the missus and I checking her history.
Using multiple browsers to evade us.
Using a VPN to keep her browsing from showing up in the firewall/router logs.

Finally, I got to the point where I had enough. I now have TightVNC server installed on her machine. I did it in a manner where she can't uninstall it herself (even though she has full admin rights), she can't even see it in add/remove programs, the directory can't be touched by anyone other than me on my login, and in starts at boot.

Now if she tries some shit and I happen to jump on there for a spot check, I can see it happening and I'll start up Cam Studio to take a recording of it in action.

She tried to do it once. Denied the whole shit too even got indignant and insisted I check her machine for any trace of it happening. When I replayed the video of her fucking around on FB, Twitter, and IG (among other things) she was grounded and almost caught a belt for trying to lie like that. She didn't realize I had the ability to record her activities like that.

I have no doubt she's going to try some other shit soon.

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Where is the peace when we are in the back of ambulances? Where is the peace then?
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119. "There's so much awesome in this post I can't tackle it all"
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but Ill say you've got an awesome future tech geek if she's running VPN's to avoid you guys catching her, LOL.

Is there a reason why you guys are so diligent with the web browsing or is it just to instill discipline? Reason I ask is because she's pretty old for such heavy handed tactics imho.

  

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127. "she's gotten off track a number of times due to it"
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>but Ill say you've got an awesome future tech geek if she's
>running VPN's to avoid you guys catching her, LOL.

She's in classes for game development. The younger two are as well.

>
>Is there a reason why you guys are so diligent with the web
>browsing or is it just to instill discipline? Reason I ask is
>because she's pretty old for such heavy handed tactics imho.


She needs to stay on task. The younger two have no problem getting up and getting done with their school work each day, but the 17 year old has always been problematic. We found out she was failing a few classes last year and it turned out that while she was in her teacher led classes she was screwing around on FB and whatnot and not paying attention.

The kids have set hours for "free time" on their computers, hers is longer. However she's been found to "forget" to put up her devices and sit on them all night. I found her in possession of her older sister's laptop one night a couple of years ago and when we checked it's history we found that she had been on it the night before as late as 4am.

Even recently, the oldest sometimes leaves her laptop and it always falls into her hands and she's on it all night.


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80. "Okp never fails to disappoint"
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This shit is called child abuse.

  

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82. "thank you "
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81. "that was just a cracker trying to show her who was boss"
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the solution is suspension/parent teacher conference
anything other than putting your hands on her
she posed no physical threat

  

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87. "something tells me that guy would behave the same with any color"
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94. "Maybe, but folks wouldn't be as loud & proud to blame the victim tho if ..."
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weren't a Black girl.

I mean there are (maybe?) Black men in this thread on some, "Well, a teenager did not do what the teacher asked her to do! How else do you get Black girls to follow the classroom rules but w/out violently assaulting them?!"








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96. "i disagree...."
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101. "In the gawker article there have been claims made against him for..."
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“recklessly targets African-American students with allegations of gang membership and criminal gang activity” is pending.

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91. "The fact is the if she was a white female no force would've been used. "
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So people can stop pretending that race is not the issue or that that failure to comply warranted such force.

Stop playing the Stupid Game and THINK!



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115. "not disagreeing but would a white girl act out that way?"
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I've been in plenty of class rooms and have to be honest it's only the black and Latino kids I've seen act this way (on rare occasion white males) and I'm not defending the cop just saying maybe we don't know how the situation would be handled with a white girl because it's rare for them to have the same kind of background perhaps or same manner of misbehaving.

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117. "WOW."
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>I've been in plenty of class rooms and have to be honest it's
>only the black and Latino kids I've seen act this way (on rare
>occasion white males) and I'm not defending the cop just
>saying maybe we don't know how the situation would be handled
>with a white girl because it's rare for them to have the same
>kind of background perhaps or same manner of misbehaving.

*smh*

fuck you.

  

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120. "perfect example of how ignorance is dangerous. *smh*"
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133. "congrats you've jumped all the way to the conclusion "
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your feelings betray you.

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132. "wow for reporting what I've seen in the classroom?"
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Not sorry if it bothers you though.

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125. "yikes"
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126. "+2 points for race hate. +1 point for caping for white girls"
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YOU'VE WON TODAY'S AWARD!!!

  

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136. "you didn't read that did you?"
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have you been in any elementary, junior high, or high schools?

I asked a question and posted an experience you got in your feelings and read something I didn't write. I'll type it again though.

Black and Latino kids I have seen act out more often than any other group while I was in the classroom 8 hours a day for about 6 months. White girls were the least likely. That is what I observed. How will you misconstrue that?

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141. "Because its a stereotype"
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You can say something like this:

I've been in plenty of class rooms and have to be honest it's only the black and Latino kids I've seen act this way (on rare occasion white males)"

and it can be factual, the problem is the conclusion that you draw; white girls are less prone to 'act up in class' and minority kids are is problematic because you've got shitty schools of a wide variety across the US. I can walk outside of my door in Gentrifying Hood, USA and say "these old darkies are crackheads but the young white folks are fine" but I know that i am taking a small unique section of the populace and painting a BROAD ass brush (I also know cause I have been around the white kids getting coked up, lol. they are worse then some of the regulars, lol)



>have you been in any elementary, junior high, or high
>schools?
>
>I asked a question and posted an experience you got in your
>feelings and read something I didn't write. I'll type it again
>though.
>
>Black and Latino kids I have seen act out more often than any
>other group while I was in the classroom 8 hours a day for
>about 6 months. White girls were the least likely. That is
>what I observed. How will you misconstrue that?

  

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145. "my conclusion is they are less likely to act out in 'that way'"
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not that they don't act out and they act out just as much as anyone else, but often not in that particular fashion.

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130. "yoooooooooooooooo you really went there"
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137. "where is there? A report form my time teaching in the school system? "
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I guess I should have not been honest?

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140. "what city "
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142. "Montgomery County Maryland "
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Schools were mostly white, latino, black.

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144. "LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO...YO STOP!!!!!!!!"
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Nigga said Montgomery County

LMAO

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146. "Okay if you want to come at it that way."
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I'm talking about patterns of behavior -- doesn't really matter what city they manifest in.

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149. "people from MoCo are rich n docile..so the white folks "
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are even moreso


and in my experience,hs, and city

white girls can and DO get just as huffy wit authority...
they just don't go to the physical

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213. "you have an interesting definition of rich "
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222. "I guess the rest of the world does too bruh....#11 "
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-income_counties_in_the_United_States

used to be higher than that...but u know that already

and the school system ain't typical or average...
Montgomery Blair and Wheaton don't look like your typical hs

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228. "it's not a pissing contest and those schools aren't in the majority "
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At the end of the day I just want to to see black children conduct themselves with regard for their own safety in the face of those who have little regard for it as there is more than enough information and evidence out there to know what we're dealing with.

Will that prevent all cases such as this or worse from happening --no, but it will lower the occasions for them to happen. There are other students who can also reap injustice based on their ethnicity (I'm looking at you middle easterners, Indians, and Pakistanis) and odds are were they in a situation such as this it may not have gotten to this level and there's something I think we as black people can learn from that. That is all.

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250. "like white kids do huh"
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>>>At the end of the day I just want to to see black children conduct themselves with regard for their own safety in the face of those who have little regard for it


because having a cell phone in the class is risking their safety

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267. "or Asian or Arab or Indian -- take your pick"
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and act like you know what time it is while you're at it.

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268. "while I'm @ it?... check your tone playboy"
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269. "Don't call me by my government name on these boards. "
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actually -- all snark aside. As far as I'm concerned this isn't about white kids. This is about what can be done by us for us to help protect us. I don't mind reiterating that and I've tried to make it clear. I hope you at least understand what I'm trying to say even if you don't agree.

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285. "I have no idea what u talkin about with government names"
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in order for us to 'protect' us we need us to identify the enemy/threats/barriers

and as shown in this here post and the world....we(as a people) can't agree on that


I just know its beyond sad to watch that video:
as a #1 a man #2 a father #3 a Black man
and make ANY semblance of justification for dudes actions

a little girl with a damn cell phone gotta be viewed as the reason for her own assault...not staying after/suspension/principles office/call your mother....assault


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300. "who is justifying the officers actions in this (our) exchange? "
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>in order for us to 'protect' us we need us to identify the
>enemy/threats/barriers
>
>and as shown in this here post and the world....we(as a
>people) can't agree on that

Which is a damn shame because it should be obvious.

>I just know its beyond sad to watch that video:
> as a #1 a man #2 a father #3 a Black man
>and make ANY semblance of justification for dudes actions

>a little girl with a damn cell phone gotta be viewed as the
>reason for her own assault...not staying
>after/suspension/principles office/call your
>mother....assault

No one is saying she is the reason for her assault. I hope that's not the take away from this back and forth. That officer came there with the intent to act as he did. He was on a collision course and when something is barreling towards you you have to get out of the way or get hit by it. Not enough of our kids are taught that while other kids are and I'll leave it at that.

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391. "white kids arent taught to respect authority or get out of the way..."
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I don't see how you can scream white supremacy yet say you never see white girls standing up to authority

you are acting like this black girl was swinging on this officer.

he dragged her like it was the 60's...


take that L and keep it movin bruh, you fucked up on this one.

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395. "I said 'in that way' and you can substitute AFRICAN, ARAB, CHINESE"
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there is a point where the kid complies if it even goes as far as armed dudes coming into the room. That or they find another way to carry on that is more subversive or whatever. This is what I've observed in my experience and you best believe the kids from those groups above are being taught the nature of the beast.

White kids from my observation and what I've heard from parents who are white get a type of lesson as well. Less vilifying of the police but certainly heavy on pro-compliance.

This isn't about winning anything. L'isms do not apply.

wait let me get the loud and wrong "fuck that model minority bullshit!!" response out of the way as well.

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400. "I bet you if we were IN Africa, Arabia or China you would find"
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disruptive kids who 'act in that way'

the 5 or 6 minority IMMIGRANTS you see ain't a true representation of their peoples


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405. "But we aren't. Stop arguing just to argue. "
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and in schools which are controlled environments to a degree it's valid. Also those groups I believe are well into second gen status so to say immigrants is inaccurate. How about we throw Jewish in the mix -- just to spice things up a bit?

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408. "u told on yourself....no more 'argument' from me"
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409. "nah -- I've always had a 'know your enemy' stance"
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see the Eric Garner post.

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138. "Oh wait we're mad because I said we have different backgrounds"
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and that kids can act out differently based on said backgrounds? Okay now I get it.

To those that wan't to play "oooohhhh" I hate to break it to you but there is a difference in how children of various ethnic and economic backgrounds relate to authority.

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143. "White kids don't challenge authority?"
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May I invite you to come hang out in some 'white' schools in the NYC area


>and that kids can act out differently based on said
>backgrounds? Okay now I get it.
>
>To those that wan't to play "oooohhhh" I hate to break it to
>you but there is a difference in how children of various
>ethnic and economic backgrounds relate to authority.

  

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147. "Not saying they don't - Here in my laughable neck of the woods "
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it would appear that the manner in which it is challenged differs. New York is a different animal which is something I hope we can agree on.

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173. "I knew this white supremact act was some bullshit... lmao"
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180. "I know you've been waiting a long time to type that"
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But this isn't the evidence you're looking for.

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396. "This isnt the first time I typed it.."
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but this is a perfect time to retype it

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399. "how can you talk about racism if you don't talk about white supremacy?"
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another topic for another day perhaps.

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194. "my friend! i can't believe you typed this."
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the rest of the repliers should think you a wild boy for this.

and as valid as your experience in moco schools are - have you ever seen a student slammed like this?

do you realize moco is where nice whites go to live & learn. there are plenty of poor and ridiculous whites all over the country.

moco and your experience in it is too small of a sample to bring into this conversation.

  

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195. "I know -- questions about our own actions are dangerous in general"
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>the rest of the repliers should think you a wild boy for
>this.

That's fine. I wouldn't really walk any of it back elaborate or rephrase though sure.

>and as valid as your experience in moco schools are - have you
>ever seen a student slammed like this?

Of course not (in America) and I'm not even saying it's okay or acceptable. I think people are responding to that officers action mixed with their emotions which is always dangerous when it comes to posing questions.

>do you realize moco is where nice whites go to live & learn.
>there are plenty of poor and ridiculous whites all over the
>country.

I touched on that though annd there are plenty of poor whites in moco e.g. Germantown . Whites with a background that may be closer to resembling what seems to be more common among blacks and Latinos would likely act similarly. I said "rare" in my original comment because not "a lot" of whites (compared to the overall population of poor or lower income whites) of similar social/economic backgrounds live among lower income blacks therefore it may be rare or less likely depending on the area/city/district. Where there are higher cocentrations with overlap you'd likely see it more often, but really how many areas like that are there? I'm guessing not many.

>moco and your experience in it is too small of a sample to
>bring into this conversation.

Disagree -- we're talking about patterns of behaviour which can be applied to any school district as I'm sure many of us have seen.

"Hey! Quit writing in blue write that in red!!" For example.

I don't like what I'm seeing just as much as anyone else, but I also don't like seeing our own kids act unwisely in the face of authority and I've seen it a lot and I've seen kids of other backgrounds act differently in the face of that same authority some similar some not. Folks can "feel" about it how they like -- that's okay just not productive.

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196. "children will act unwisely. count on that."
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and the adults in the situation should always be held more accountable, at every turn.

they failed this little girl.

you failed her too, cause your observation is disgustingly dangerous to black youths, limited in scope and painted by prejudice.

i'd feel much better about this if you realized that her skin color doesn't make her less deserving of compassionate authority.

  

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198. "I'm talking about behavior you're talking about something else"
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>and the adults in the situation should always be held more
>accountable, at every turn.

I'm not talking about the adults other than to say they were all wrong including whoever didn't teach this girl how interact with adults who look like her i.e. the teacher and adults who can and will hurt her. Somebody is supposed to be caring for this kid outside of school they may have failed her too.

>they failed this little girl.
>
>you failed her too, cause your observation is disgustingly
>dangerous to black youths, limited in scope and painted by
>prejudice.

Don't be like that. Especially if you count yourself among those that use the word "nigger" to refer to your own folks. That wouldn't be right.

>i'd feel much better about this if you realized that her skin
>color doesn't make her less deserving of compassionate
>authority.

Don't you get all emotional on me too. I'm not saying she's unworthy of compassion. Nobody is behaving properly in this scenario -- that's just the truth.

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201. "'nobody is behaving properly in this scenario -- that's just the truth'"
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we agree here.

what's more is that the 'adults' in the situation are to be held accountable.

why look at the BLACK child and say - well, WHITE children don't act like this?

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>we agree here.
>
>what's more is that the 'adults' in the situation are to be
>held accountable.

Yes no debate there.

>why look at the BLACK child and say - well, WHITE children
>don't act like this?

I didn't say that and that's not the context. The context is would a white (or other non black or perhaps non latino child) act out in such a way that would get the situation to that level? The answer is "yes" the debate is with what degree of regularity.

>why look at it like that?

Looking at it like that (in the context I outlined) is an attempt by me to illustrate what I believe is a need for our children to be taught survival strategies as the nature of life in this country will always come at them in a way similar to the way this officer did. They need to learn how to avoid this particular type of scenario which is and was entirely possible (had that knowledge been there). The officer and teacher are too far gone to be reached the student can still be taught. Got to get them while they're young.

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207. "no. you wil not absolve the adults for their behavior."
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>I didn't say that and that's not the context. The context is
>would a white (or other non black or perhaps non latino child)
>act out in such a way that would get the situation to that
>level? The answer is "yes" the debate is with what degree of
>regularity.

this doesn't matter. the comparison has no room in this conversation.

>>why look at it like that?
>
>Looking at it like that (in the context I outlined) is an
>attempt by me to illustrate what I believe is a need for our
>children to be taught survival strategies as the nature of
>life in this country will always come at them in a way similar
>to the way this officer did. They need to learn how to avoid
>this particular type of scenario which is and was entirely
>possible (had that knowledge been there). The officer and
>teacher are too far gone to be reached the student can still
>be taught. Got to get them while they're young.

survival strategies??

she's in school. a 'safe place'. there is no survival strategy for a child being in a classroom. that institution needs to be held fully accountable.

the officer and teacher are too far gone? that thinking needs to be reversed. and the situation needs to be fixed.

those people don't need to be neither an officer nor a teacher.

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212. "I'm not absolving them they should be disciplined but they won't change"
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as people. I think that's a fair statement.

>this doesn't matter. the comparison has no room in this
>conversation.

It has room, but we can disagree on that. I mean we got to talk about it somewhere right? The discussion can't always be about what we wish the system would do, but ultimately can't or won't.

>>>why look at it like that?
>>
>>Looking at it like that (in the context I outlined) is an
>>attempt by me to illustrate what I believe is a need for our
>>children to be taught survival strategies as the nature of
>>life in this country will always come at them in a way
>similar
>>to the way this officer did. They need to learn how to avoid
>>this particular type of scenario which is and was entirely
>>possible (had that knowledge been there). The officer and
>>teacher are too far gone to be reached the student can still
>>be taught. Got to get them while they're young.
>
>survival strategies??
>
>she's in school. a 'safe place'. there is no survival strategy
>for a child being in a classroom. that institution needs to be
>held fully accountable.

Kids get shot in school. They aren't safe places (probably never really were) and being a black child or person has never been safe so we have to find effective ways to protect ourselves. Not being where your enemy expects you to be is one such way (metaphorically speaking in this case).

>the officer and teacher are too far gone? that thinking needs
>to be reversed. and the situation needs to be fixed.

Sad but true IMO getting rid of them is the only fix and sadly it's a temporary one. There's a lot of guys like that out there. We can protect and educate our kids more effectively than changing the hearts and minds of those with messed up dispositions -- that's all I'm getting at.

>those people don't need to be neither an officer nor a
>teacher.
>
>get it?

For sure and they shouldn't be called men either. I've never stated they were in the right.

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why is the suburban Negro always the most radical? comically radical...

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overall i agree with you based on my anecdotal experience and those of the 3-4 public school teachers i know
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318. "Heaven forbid our kids be taught how to avoid their enemies "
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And heaven help any black person who chooses to first ask what can be done as a black person to better survive in a land that is against them seeing as how that person can not change the land.

I swear this whole forsaken country is a lost cause.

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Act like what?? The girl didn't do anything besides not giving authority figures her damn cell phone. I'm confused as to why people are expecting absolute obedience from a fucking teenager. I've taught high school and now college. All kids from 14-20 are jerks. All of them. I've had white girls be openly disrespectful to me in high school and college. Black people need to stop buying into the idea that our kids are anymore poorly behaved than others kids. The only difference is that our kids face higher levels of punishment when they act up.

  

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388. "Round and round. This is why we cant have nice things. "
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>Act like what??
First for the God knows what time -- no adult acted properly in this. Second -- no body is without guilt in this. We know what the adults did wrong right? Right!? What about the young lady? Her actions are off limits or something? In regard to here actions -- how many levels of authority did she go through? Teacher asked she refused. Vice Principal asked she refused. Gun wielding white person comes in.

By the time a gun wielding white person enters the equation how would an African kid react? How would a Chinese kid react? How would an Indian kid react? How would an Arab kid react? My "feeling" is the kid would comply at that point if it even got that far. Maybe I'm wrong, but either way in 2015 after 100's of years of the same patterns of behavior among the "authorities" there are cultural things we should be teaching out kids. Things like "DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH THESE PEOPLE THEY CAN AND WILL MURDER YOU". There's a middle eastern family telling their kids that right now.


The girl didn't do anything besides not
>giving authority figures her damn cell phone. I'm confused as
>to why people are expecting absolute obedience from a fucking
>teenager. I've taught high school and now college. All kids
>from 14-20 are jerks. All of them. I've had white girls be
>openly disrespectful to me in high school and college.

In the high school setting at what point do these girls comply or do they ride it out until the guns show up? Serious question.

Black people need to stop buying into the idea that our kids are
>anymore poorly behaved than others kids.

This isn't my focus, my focus is that our kids are not being trained how to deal with what you describe below.

The only difference
>is that our kids face higher levels of punishment when they
>act up.

True. So why aren't our kids acting with this knowledge? Fair question no?

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463. "Foh with nice things...I'm trying to get free"
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>>Act like what??
>First for the God knows what time -- no adult acted properly
>in this. Second -- no body is without guilt in this. We know
>what the adults did wrong right? Right!? What about the young
>lady? Her actions are off limits or something? In regard to
>here actions -- how many levels of authority did she go
>through? Teacher asked she refused. Vice Principal asked she
>refused. Gun wielding white person comes in.

The adults are the trained professionals. She is a CHILD who recently lost her mother and was placed in foster care. Anyone working in a school setting should know when a kid is in crisis. Her actions are immaterial.



>By the time a gun wielding white person enters the equation
>how would an African kid react? How would a Chinese kid react?
>How would an Indian kid react? How would an Arab kid react? My
>"feeling" is the kid would comply at that point if it even got
>that far. Maybe I'm wrong, but either way in 2015 after 100's
>of years of the same patterns of behavior among the
>"authorities" there are cultural things we should be teaching
>out kids. Things like "DON'T FUCK AROUND WITH THESE PEOPLE
>THEY CAN AND WILL MURDER YOU". There's a middle eastern family
>telling their kids that right now.

She's African too. Do you mean an African immigrant? Well the Liberian and Malian kids in the two Philly public school I taught in turned up on the daily. So did the Cambodian and Vietnamese kids. Foh with your stereotypical model minority ideals. We don't need to teach our kids to obey authority figures. We need to teach them to be strategic and how to defend themselves against racist attacks.

>The girl didn't do anything besides not
>>giving authority figures her damn cell phone. I'm confused
>as
>>to why people are expecting absolute obedience from a
>fucking
>>teenager. I've taught high school and now college. All kids
>>from 14-20 are jerks. All of them. I've had white girls be
>>openly disrespectful to me in high school and college.
>
>In the high school setting at what point do these girls comply
>or do they ride it out until the guns show up? Serious
>question.

Some complied, some didn't. I never called an administrator to handle anything in my class. That indicates the teacher has poor classroom management skills. I'd ask them to put it away. Some did. The ones who didn't were reminded of the consequence and written up. I then moved on with my lesson. The teacher in this case was an idiot. It's a school, not a prison. Or maybe our public schools are actually prisons these days. Smh.

>Black people need to stop buying into the idea that our kids
>are
>>anymore poorly behaved than others kids.
>
>This isn't my focus, my focus is that our kids are not being
>trained how to deal with what you describe below.


How should we train them. Again, I believe we should teach our kids to be strategic and how to defend themselves. I'm not down with the idea of teaching obedience. They're human beings.


> The only difference
>>is that our kids face higher levels of punishment when they
>>act up.
>
>True. So why aren't our kids acting with this knowledge? Fair
>question no?

Because they're kids, not robots. Kids make mistakes. They do dumb things. They talk back. They forget they're black and have to be more careful, because that kind of thinking is unnatural and just wrong.

  

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466. "If you wan't freedom get on a plane to some other country."
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Where this doesn't happen often if at all.

>The adults are the trained professionals. She is a CHILD who
>recently lost her mother and was placed in foster care. Anyone
>working in a school setting should know when a kid is in
>crisis. Her actions are immaterial.

Where is the disagreement about the adults actions? This information about her particular circumstance is new info so please don't bring it up like people knew that from the jump and in light of those details I'd agree -- it's immaterial.

I do still stand by what I said as far as seeing this type of obstinate refusal as being something that seems to be more common among our kids than it is among others in my classroom experience though so do with that what you will. I know it's not a popular statement -- so be it.

>She's African too. Do you mean an African immigrant? Well the
>Liberian and Malian kids in the two Philly public school I
>taught in turned up on the daily. So did the Cambodian and
>Vietnamese kids. Foh with your stereotypical model minority
>ideals.
go

I already addressed this type of emotional response with Ambient1. You can search for it if you like and I mean culturally African not of African middle passage descent. Right now it sounds like you're describing a kid here or there. Are you saying just as many, more than, or fewer than the African American kids?

We don't need to teach our kids to obey authority
>figures. We need to teach them to be strategic and how to
>defend themselves against racist attacks.

This is where I want to tap out because I said the exact same thing so I don't understand why you're repeating it back to me in a more confusing manner. I say more confusing because not including instruction about when to obey authority and the value to self in doing so as a child seems unwise and therefore not strategic at all.


>>In the high school setting at what point do these girls
>comply
>>or do they ride it out until the guns show up? Serious
>>question.
>
>Some complied, some didn't. I never called an administrator to
>handle anything in my class. That indicates the teacher has
>poor classroom management skills. I'd ask them to put it away.
>Some did. The ones who didn't were reminded of the consequence
>and written up. I then moved on with my lesson. The teacher in
>this case was an idiot. It's a school, not a prison. Or maybe
>our public schools are actually prisons these days. Smh.

Yes they pretty much are. Same things happen in prison as they do in schools these days. Again we're in agreement about the adults

>>Black people need to stop buying into the idea that our kids
>>are
>>>anymore poorly behaved than others kids.
>>
>>This isn't my focus, my focus is that our kids are not being
>>trained how to deal with what you describe below.
>
>
>How should we train them. Again, I believe we should teach our
>kids to be strategic and how to defend themselves. I'm not
>down with the idea of teaching obedience. They're human
>beings.

As a kid obedience is the safest route and one must learn the rules before they can successfully bend or break them right? And for real don't kids need to obey their folks? That in and of itself can lead to better outcomes in school, but teaching children the reality of American society and history are good starting points. Kids need to know that the country is and always will be anti black and that at the end of the day authority figures are looking for them first so be on guard and learn what the blind spots are. It shouldn't have to be that way, but it is.

>
>> The only difference
>>>is that our kids face higher levels of punishment when they
>>>act up.
>>
>>True. So why aren't our kids acting with this knowledge?
>Fair
>>question no?
>
>Because they're kids, not robots. Kids make mistakes. They do
>dumb things. They talk back. They forget they're black and
>have to be more careful, because that kind of thinking is
>unnatural and just wrong.

That's a valid answer, but so is that they aren't getting enough of that knowledge and even now our own culture is betraying us. It's hard to find any messaging in what children are absorbing that would help re-enforce that. And of course it's unnatural and wrong that's why my belief is that we should be teaching our kids a second language, promoting STEM based educations, and hopefully they can at least have the option to leave this place and live a more natural existence somewhere else, but hey -- a lot of us think we have it good here.

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468. "No thanks...I'll stay and fight for freedom in the land my"
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people have inhabited for 400 plus years.

>Where this doesn't happen often if at all.
>
>>The adults are the trained professionals. She is a CHILD who
>>recently lost her mother and was placed in foster care.
>Anyone
>>working in a school setting should know when a kid is in
>>crisis. Her actions are immaterial.
>
>Where is the disagreement about the adults actions? This
>information about her particular circumstance is new info so
>please don't bring it up like people knew that from the jump
>and in light of those details I'd agree -- it's immaterial.

Don't be terse with me because okp is always late on everything these days. I had this info the same day the initial story broke.

>I do still stand by what I said as far as seeing this type of
>obstinate refusal as being something that seems to be more
>common among our kids than it is among others in my classroom
>experience though so do with that what you will. I know it's
>not a popular statement -- so be it.
>
>>She's African too. Do you mean an African immigrant? Well
>the
>>Liberian and Malian kids in the two Philly public school I
>>taught in turned up on the daily. So did the Cambodian and
>>Vietnamese kids. Foh with your stereotypical model minority
>>ideals.
>go
>
>I already addressed this type of emotional response with
>Ambient1. You can search for it if you like and I mean
>culturally African not of African middle passage descent.
>Right now it sounds like you're describing a kid here or
>there. Are you saying just as many, more than, or fewer than
>the African American kids?

Lol @ your attempt to discount my point by calling it "emotional." The data proves that the model minority/perfect immigrant stories are bs. I'm saying they turned up at the same rate as the African American and white kids. Also, African American is culturally African. I see how you tried to be slick.

>
>We don't need to teach our kids to obey authority
>>figures. We need to teach them to be strategic and how to
>>defend themselves against racist attacks.
>
>This is where I want to tap out because I said the exact same
>thing so I don't understand why you're repeating it back to me
>in a more confusing manner. I say more confusing because not
>including instruction about when to obey authority and the
>value to self in doing so as a child seems unwise and
>therefore not strategic at all.
>


No we are not saying the same thing. Your idea of strategic is going along to get along. My idea is subversion.

>>>In the high school setting at what point do these girls
>>comply
>>>or do they ride it out until the guns show up? Serious
>>>question.
>>
>>Some complied, some didn't. I never called an administrator
>to
>>handle anything in my class. That indicates the teacher has
>>poor classroom management skills. I'd ask them to put it
>away.
>>Some did. The ones who didn't were reminded of the
>consequence
>>and written up. I then moved on with my lesson. The teacher
>in
>>this case was an idiot. It's a school, not a prison. Or
>maybe
>>our public schools are actually prisons these days. Smh.
>
>Yes they pretty much are. Same things happen in prison as they
>do in schools these days. Again we're in agreement about the
>adults
>
>>>Black people need to stop buying into the idea that our
>kids
>>>are
>>>>anymore poorly behaved than others kids.
>>>
>>>This isn't my focus, my focus is that our kids are not
>being
>>>trained how to deal with what you describe below.
>>
>>
>>How should we train them. Again, I believe we should teach
>our
>>kids to be strategic and how to defend themselves. I'm not
>>down with the idea of teaching obedience. They're human
>>beings.
>
>As a kid obedience is the safest route and one must learn the
>rules before they can successfully bend or break them right?
>And for real don't kids need to obey their folks? That in and
>of itself can lead to better outcomes in school, but teaching
>children the reality of American society and history are good
>starting points. Kids need to know that the country is and
>always will be anti black and that at the end of the day
>authority figures are looking for them first so be on guard
>and learn what the blind spots are. It shouldn't have to be
>that way, but it is.
>

I was never taught (at least not explicitly) to obey my parents. My Mom and Dad spent a lot of time teaching and talking to us like intelligent human beings. They taught us to think critically and we lived in a house in which we all respected each other. When we stepped out of line, there were consequences. There was never this feeling of you're a kid, so I have complete authority over you. The notion is foreign to me. My husband and I are raising our kids in the same way. Yes, they need to know all of the things you mentioned about black life in this society. However, we must also teach our kids to resist and go about life with what one of my professors called a "victorious consciousness." We have to believe we can create a better world for our kids or they'll be having the same discussions in 30 years. I mean what's the point in living if we can't offer our kids something better?

>>> The only difference
>>>>is that our kids face higher levels of punishment when
>they
>>>>act up.
>>>
>>>True. So why aren't our kids acting with this knowledge?
>>Fair
>>>question no?
>>
>>Because they're kids, not robots. Kids make mistakes. They
>do
>>dumb things. They talk back. They forget they're black and
>>have to be more careful, because that kind of thinking is
>>unnatural and just wrong.
>
>That's a valid answer, but so is that they aren't getting
>enough of that knowledge and even now our own culture is
>betraying us. It's hard to find any messaging in what children
>are absorbing that would help re-enforce that. And of course
>it's unnatural and wrong that's why my belief is that we
>should be teaching our kids a second language, promoting STEM
>based educations, and hopefully they can at least have the
>option to leave this place and live a more natural existence
>somewhere else, but hey -- a lot of us think we have it good
>here.

White supremacy is a global enterprise. All the bilingualism and STEM in the world won't save you from it. You can simply be slightly more comfortable, but not free. I want more for my kids and our people.

  

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478. "Fight what and how? But if that's what you want go for it?"
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>>Don't be terse with me because okp is always late on
>everything these days. I had this info the same day the
>initial story broke.

Okay, some of us didn't.

>>Lol @ your attempt to discount my point by calling it
>"emotional." The data proves that the model minority/perfect
>immigrant stories are bs. I'm saying they turned up at the
>same rate as the African American and white kids. Also,
>African American is culturally African. I see how you tried to
>be slick.

You're likely not interested in understanding what I'm trying to say that's fine and you're not answering my question which was how many? As many, more than, or less than? I'm not saying these groups are model groups I'm saying I have not observed this very specific approach to authority in those groups as much as I have seen in it In our own kids. That is what I have seen. I really don't get why stating what I've seen vexes people so much, but whatever -- and yes I think you're coming across as emotional and that's obviously okay. African American is just another word for black IMO, which is another word for negro, which is another word for (you see where I'm going with this).

>>We don't need to teach our kids to obey authority
>>>figures. We need to teach them to be strategic and how to
>>>defend themselves against racist attacks.
>No we are not saying the same thing. Your idea of strategic is
>going along to get along. My idea is subversion.

No I said learn the rules before you can break or bend them. At any rate would subversion.mean that instead of continuing to refuse a request one would give the appearance of compliance while continuing onward in a less overt manner? If so I've touched on that as well.
>>

>I was never taught (at least not explicitly) to obey my
>parents. My Mom and Dad spent a lot of time teaching and
>talking to us like intelligent human beings. They taught us to
>think critically and we lived in a house in which we all
>respected each other. When we stepped out of line, there were
>consequences. There was never this feeling of you're a kid, so
>I have complete authority over you. The notion is foreign to
>me. My husband and I are raising our kids in the same way.
>Yes, they need to know all of the things you mentioned about
>black life in this society. However, we must also teach our
>kids to resist and go about life with what one of my
>professors called a "victorious consciousness." We have to
>believe we can create a better world for our kids or they'll
>be having the same discussions in 30 years. I mean what's the
>point in living if we can't offer our kids something better?

I can't really answer that other than to say the better educational tools we give children the better their opportunities may be either here or abroad. I understand what you're saying about your upbringing and I agree with a lot of it, but I think questioning authority and resisting are two separate things and school IMO isn't the place for practicing that. Learn in school practice in life.

>>That's a valid answer, but so is that they aren't getting
>>enough of that knowledge and even now our own culture is
>>betraying us. It's hard to find any messaging in what
>children
>>are absorbing that would help re-enforce that. And of course
>>it's unnatural and wrong that's why my belief is that we
>>should be teaching our kids a second language, promoting
>STEM
>>based educations, and hopefully they can at least have the
>>option to leave this place and live a more natural existence
>>somewhere else, but hey -- a lot of us think we have it good here
>
>White supremacy is a global enterprise. All the bilingualism
>and STEM in the world won't save you from it. You can simply
>be slightly more comfortable, but not free. I want more for my
>kids and our people.

I'll take giving our kids more comfort if that's what's readily available there are many places where black people can and do live free lives -- just not in America.

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w/ regularity too. stop playing victim. it's a problem here but it aint race. it's about not being able to deal with these lil bastards in an effective manner.

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your Black mother wasn't who you needed her to be.

And while I an replying to you, I don't think you are the only one who does this.

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220. "^^^^^this is what I think a lot of the disregard for Blk women boils dow..."
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And anyone who thinks this same thing would have happened to lil white girl is completely delusional! Completely

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stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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377. "you say it like i aint seen it with my own two. often."
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Thu Oct-29-15 12:07 AM by BrooklynWHAT

  

          

>And anyone who thinks this same thing would have happened to
>lil white girl is completely delusional! Completely

it aint unusual for SROs to wild out like this on all races/genders. it just got caught on camera.

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Goldmind
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261. "RIGHT??"
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Thinking like his is sickening and the issues behind it are transparent

  

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TRENDone
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152. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xvoOEbljM"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6xvoOEbljM

Stockton, CA. WHITE teacher drags WHITE freshman girl into pool during PE class...

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TRENDone
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161. "my bad the girl is Latina"
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San Diego State's holy trinity of sports:
Kawhi Leonard
Marshall Faulk
Tony Gwynn (RIP)

#Aztec4Life

  

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Mgmt
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177. "Someone should crack his skull "
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