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183430, Fight what and how? But if that's what you want go for it?
Posted by Atillah Moor, Fri Oct-30-15 12:29 AM
>>Don't be terse with me because okp is always late on
>everything these days. I had this info the same day the
>initial story broke.

Okay, some of us didn't.

>>Lol @ your attempt to discount my point by calling it
>"emotional." The data proves that the model minority/perfect
>immigrant stories are bs. I'm saying they turned up at the
>same rate as the African American and white kids. Also,
>African American is culturally African. I see how you tried to
>be slick.

You're likely not interested in understanding what I'm trying to say that's fine and you're not answering my question which was how many? As many, more than, or less than? I'm not saying these groups are model groups I'm saying I have not observed this very specific approach to authority in those groups as much as I have seen in it In our own kids. That is what I have seen. I really don't get why stating what I've seen vexes people so much, but whatever -- and yes I think you're coming across as emotional and that's obviously okay. African American is just another word for black IMO, which is another word for negro, which is another word for (you see where I'm going with this).

>>We don't need to teach our kids to obey authority
>>>figures. We need to teach them to be strategic and how to
>>>defend themselves against racist attacks.
>No we are not saying the same thing. Your idea of strategic is
>going along to get along. My idea is subversion.

No I said learn the rules before you can break or bend them. At any rate would subversion.mean that instead of continuing to refuse a request one would give the appearance of compliance while continuing onward in a less overt manner? If so I've touched on that as well.
>>

>I was never taught (at least not explicitly) to obey my
>parents. My Mom and Dad spent a lot of time teaching and
>talking to us like intelligent human beings. They taught us to
>think critically and we lived in a house in which we all
>respected each other. When we stepped out of line, there were
>consequences. There was never this feeling of you're a kid, so
>I have complete authority over you. The notion is foreign to
>me. My husband and I are raising our kids in the same way.
>Yes, they need to know all of the things you mentioned about
>black life in this society. However, we must also teach our
>kids to resist and go about life with what one of my
>professors called a "victorious consciousness." We have to
>believe we can create a better world for our kids or they'll
>be having the same discussions in 30 years. I mean what's the
>point in living if we can't offer our kids something better?

I can't really answer that other than to say the better educational tools we give children the better their opportunities may be either here or abroad. I understand what you're saying about your upbringing and I agree with a lot of it, but I think questioning authority and resisting are two separate things and school IMO isn't the place for practicing that. Learn in school practice in life.

>>That's a valid answer, but so is that they aren't getting
>>enough of that knowledge and even now our own culture is
>>betraying us. It's hard to find any messaging in what
>children
>>are absorbing that would help re-enforce that. And of course
>>it's unnatural and wrong that's why my belief is that we
>>should be teaching our kids a second language, promoting
>STEM
>>based educations, and hopefully they can at least have the
>>option to leave this place and live a more natural existence
>>somewhere else, but hey -- a lot of us think we have it good here
>
>White supremacy is a global enterprise. All the bilingualism
>and STEM in the world won't save you from it. You can simply
>be slightly more comfortable, but not free. I want more for my
>kids and our people.

I'll take giving our kids more comfort if that's what's readily available there are many places where black people can and do live free lives -- just not in America.