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"Wrestling Thread - Survivor Series to Royal Rumble"
Wed Nov-13-13 01:50 AM by Expertise

  

          

I think it's time for a new one. Let the other one die.

So far for Survivor Series:

World Heavyweight Championship - The Prototype (c) vs. Dos Caras Jr.
World Wrestling Entertainment Championship: Randall Orton (c) vs. Son of Andre
Chick Magnet Punk & American Dragon vs. Broadie Lee & Thoruf (Smackdown spoiler)

Also, New Japan's Wrestle Kingdom 8 show at the Tokyo Dome on January 4th (so far):

IWGP Championship: Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. Tetsuya Naito

IWGP Intercontinental Championship: Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi

IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship: Prince Devitt (c) vs. Kota Ibushi

IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Championship: The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) vs. Forever Hooligans (Alex Koslov & Rocky Romero) vs. Time Splitters (Alex Shelley & Kushida) vs. Suzukigun (Taichi & TAKA Michinoku)

Daniel & Rolles Gracie vs. Kazushi Sakuraba & Yuji Nagata
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i guess Shield/Wyatts is the long term move
Nov 13th 2013
1
I thought they'd go with a Survivor Series match.
Nov 13th 2013
2
      That could be the mother of all SS matches.
Nov 13th 2013
3
           I would say that would be the MOTY...
Nov 13th 2013
4
prime time players push is DONE..got beat by 3MB...BUT
Nov 14th 2013
5
re: 3MB. i really thought that they were gonna squash these guys
Nov 14th 2013
6
Nah. They are far too unlikable.
Nov 14th 2013
7
2 things, tho. 1 there is a funny factor to them
Nov 14th 2013
8
twitter.com/Did3MBWin
Nov 19th 2013
19
      https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/402657413805113344
Nov 19th 2013
25
Question Expertise....
Nov 14th 2013
9
I just watch the iPPVs on occasion.
Nov 14th 2013
10
30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works
Nov 16th 2013
11
RE: 30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works
Nov 19th 2013
29
      RE: 30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works
Nov 22nd 2013
32
w/ Survivor Series 6 days away, RAW goes country!
Nov 18th 2013
12
Smh
Nov 18th 2013
13
New IC Champ!
Nov 18th 2013
14
Ryback with his best match in a long time
Nov 18th 2013
15
is this Xavier Woods main roster debut?
Nov 18th 2013
16
Yep
Nov 18th 2013
17
      corey graves is a damn bum.
Nov 18th 2013
18
raw rundown
Nov 19th 2013
20
Didn't know that ReyRey had Dr. Chao as his surgeon
Nov 19th 2013
21
there's something they don't like about Ryback.
Nov 19th 2013
22
They're about to turn Ryback back to a babyface
Nov 19th 2013
24
They've got to let Big E use his five count
Nov 19th 2013
23
      What's his five count?
Nov 19th 2013
26
           It's the old King Kong Bundy gimmick
Nov 19th 2013
27
                It's a shame the Big Ending is absolute shit then
Nov 19th 2013
28
                     yeah, he needs a new finisher now.
Nov 19th 2013
30
                     Really? I think it's pretty good.
Dec 18th 2013
135
I marked out when Bryan and Punk did the Hart Attack on Rollins!
Nov 20th 2013
31
late pass: cm punk best in the world doc
Nov 24th 2013
33
Rollins and Reigns are killing it in this first match
Nov 24th 2013
34
that curbstomp was nice.
Nov 24th 2013
38
aaaaand...let the roman reigns monster push begin. nm
Nov 24th 2013
35
roman reigns went to work.
Nov 24th 2013
36
Damn, Reigns is a beast
Nov 24th 2013
37
LMAO... that mighta been the cheapest pop in history
Nov 24th 2013
39
Am I the only one looking forward to a Reigns/Big E singles feud?
Nov 24th 2013
40
down the road it'd be dope.
Nov 24th 2013
41
Nope, should be awesome
Nov 24th 2013
42
Mark Henry!!!
Nov 24th 2013
43
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nov 24th 2013
44
yeaaaaaah fuck ryback!
Nov 24th 2013
45
huge cena sucks section in his hometown
Nov 24th 2013
46
the crowd is clowning this sorry ass show/orton match
Nov 24th 2013
47
that was god awful, can't believe it headlined.
Nov 24th 2013
49
The Bryan chants were a nice touch
Nov 24th 2013
50
who's hype for Cena vs Orton!
Nov 24th 2013
48
I only caught the last 1/2 hr
Nov 24th 2013
51
They wouldn't waste hyping two matches...
Nov 25th 2013
52
yeah, MITB needs to replace this in the Big 4.
Nov 25th 2013
53
survivor series: the raw edition
Nov 26th 2013
54
Lol
Nov 26th 2013
55
The last hour of smackdown was fun
Nov 30th 2013
56
TNA deserves a little credit for this
Nov 30th 2013
57
RE: TNA deserves a little credit for this
Nov 30th 2013
59
Joe not giving Angle a beer was hilarious
Nov 30th 2013
60
      Yes! Anderson's "we've all felt Bully's hammer" line was gold too
Nov 30th 2013
61
      then angle waving away at him lol
Dec 11th 2013
81
new Ultimate Warrior interview (swipe)
Nov 30th 2013
58
Neville & Zayn had a real good one on NXT this week
Dec 01st 2013
62
WrestleMania 31 will be at Levi's Stadium in Northern California
Dec 07th 2013
63
I WILL BE THERE!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 08th 2013
64
I'll be there. I'm hyped
Dec 10th 2013
66
Dope final segment on Raw nm
Dec 10th 2013
65
crowd was awesome... But I'm not sure about the end...
Dec 10th 2013
67
      I think you're reading too much into it
Dec 10th 2013
72
Cena always brings a great promo
Dec 10th 2013
68
raw rundown: slammy edition (guest star: Seattle, WA)
Dec 10th 2013
69
I am hoping for a heel Cena vs DB at Mania this year
Dec 10th 2013
70
      Cena won't go heel. the crowd will just boo the fuck out of him.
Dec 10th 2013
71
      the current belt isn't even a year old.
Dec 10th 2013
73
      This won't end with one champion
Dec 10th 2013
74
           yeah, i think this will happen
Dec 10th 2013
75
           Last time they unified was at the December PPV also
Dec 10th 2013
77
           hell no it won't
Dec 11th 2013
83
I don't want them to split up the Shield
Dec 10th 2013
76
they don't need to.
Dec 11th 2013
82
Jay Briscoe is at it again (youtube)
Dec 10th 2013
78
minus the stars and bars...
Dec 11th 2013
79
His eyes are crazy, but it's just a bunch of swearing and ranting
Dec 11th 2013
80
      he's got Austin-esque conviction. Needs to focus it and chill some.
Dec 11th 2013
84
      agreed, he has the right look, but comes off like a drunk frat dude
Dec 11th 2013
85
           that's the last thing he comes across as imo
Dec 16th 2013
116
      you have to watch other promos.
Dec 11th 2013
86
get this dude in WWE and I'll start watching again
Dec 16th 2013
115
MARCH 29, 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dec 12th 2013
87
cray cray AJ got heat for going at Michelle Beadle neck
Dec 15th 2013
88
AJ's with Punk?
Dec 15th 2013
91
Punk's been with everyone.
Dec 16th 2013
108
Michelle Beadle's account of what happened (Twitter)
Dec 16th 2013
111
      Punk smashed.
Dec 16th 2013
120
Didn't Ziggler beat Cena in the main event last year?
Dec 15th 2013
89
they threw that dude in the gutter.
Dec 15th 2013
90
      punished for what?
Dec 16th 2013
107
           running his mouth too much in interviews & social media.
Dec 16th 2013
112
how are the Usos not even in this match?
Dec 15th 2013
92
Why are these matches on the ppv?
Dec 15th 2013
93
2 hrs in and there hasn't been a single table, ladder or chair
Dec 15th 2013
94
      Pretty much
Dec 15th 2013
95
      That's because you don't want to cheapen the importance of
Dec 16th 2013
109
I love that Bray's just rocking in the chair til it's his turn
Dec 15th 2013
96
Fantastic match
Dec 15th 2013
97
this isn't like an AWFUL show, but I can't believe it cost $55
Dec 15th 2013
98
Way Bryatt has improved a lot.
Dec 15th 2013
99
Can't believe Foley butchered that
Dec 15th 2013
100
this place is asleep
Dec 15th 2013
101
scumbag Orton with the cuffs
Dec 15th 2013
102
Can't front on that finish nm
Dec 15th 2013
103
me neither, finally a PPV with balls.
Dec 15th 2013
105
Agreed
Dec 15th 2013
106
no shenanigans. Juan Cena lost. i'm satisfied.
Dec 15th 2013
104
I'm sure Cena does too.
Dec 16th 2013
110
Hilarious slut shaming on AJ Lee:
Dec 16th 2013
113
that's classic.
Dec 16th 2013
114
You don't know what slut shaming means.
Dec 18th 2013
136
      Well she is being shamed for doing things male wrestlers all do
Dec 18th 2013
137
           People go hard at Punk too tho.
Dec 18th 2013
139
           That's really not an example of shaming.
Dec 18th 2013
141
Easily one of Punk's worst elbow drops ever
Dec 16th 2013
117
he says he INTENTIONALLY tries to make them bad
Dec 17th 2013
126
      Why? He was sloppy all around last night
Dec 17th 2013
127
           he says it pisses fanboys off. he said it on colt's podcast
Dec 18th 2013
138
Bray continues to kill these promos
Dec 16th 2013
118
this Orton/Bryan match deserves some good commentary
Dec 16th 2013
119
Great match, really liked the ending
Dec 16th 2013
121
God these guys piss me the entire fuck OFF.
Dec 17th 2013
122
They won't do it.
Dec 17th 2013
123
      Except right today he's more over than Chris Jericho was at any period
Dec 17th 2013
124
           I came to a realization about DB today
Dec 17th 2013
128
           all true. Try this idea out.
Dec 17th 2013
129
                It's a good story, but I don't know if it can last
Dec 17th 2013
131
                     unless you're a Rock/Austin/Cena type guy...
Dec 18th 2013
133
                          Yup, that's why he is worth so much more not being champ
Dec 18th 2013
134
                               that's not why they won't run with him as champ though.
Dec 18th 2013
140
                                    I agree, just saying almost no reason to give it to him now
Dec 18th 2013
142
                                         I actually think he's going to win the Rumble and at Mania
Dec 19th 2013
143
                                              i have less and less faith in this everyday
Dec 19th 2013
144
                                              man dbry aint winning shit.
Dec 19th 2013
145
                                              yeah, punk is clearly hurt
Dec 19th 2013
146
                                              RE: I actually think he's going to win the Rumble and at Mania
Dec 19th 2013
152
           That's irrelevant.
Dec 18th 2013
132
snuka kicked the HELL out of bella ...DAMN
Dec 17th 2013
125
she ate that kick for real
Dec 17th 2013
130
Question: why don't they hold Orton accountable for bad numbers?
Dec 19th 2013
147
because obviously dbry wasn't the right attraction.
Dec 19th 2013
148
That's literally factually untrue.
Dec 19th 2013
149
      Read his post
Dec 19th 2013
150
           Why do you assume I didn't?
Dec 19th 2013
151
The face is supposed to be the draw in WWE.
Dec 19th 2013
153
Batista's back. Hide the fat girls (Crimmas Raw)
Dec 23rd 2013
154
That was wild
Dec 24th 2013
155
I feel like Cena has been looser and having more fun while not champ
Dec 24th 2013
156
That promo was excellent.
Dec 24th 2013
157
Cody Rhodes does a moonsault from the top of the cage:
Dec 27th 2013
158
Every year I think it's his year
Dec 27th 2013
159
      he'll get his singles push once the rhodes break up
Dec 27th 2013
160
           I was convinced it was coming after his long IC title reign
Dec 28th 2013
161
           no he won't.
Jan 01st 2014
179
HOSS FIGHT!!!
Dec 30th 2013
162
Nothing gets a feud going like one wrestler murdering the other
Dec 30th 2013
163
Goddamn, Brock
Dec 30th 2013
164
Been a really good Raw so far.
Dec 30th 2013
165
Any combination of Bryan and the Wyatts works for me
Dec 30th 2013
166
Huh?
Dec 30th 2013
167
I mean I get it, but was that a real heel turn
Dec 30th 2013
168
     
Dec 31st 2013
174
           yeah, there's definitely a missing piece here:
Dec 31st 2013
175
                I don't think there's any question he will be a babyface again shortly.
Dec 31st 2013
176
                     The fact that he will be face shortly is what makes it dumb
Dec 31st 2013
177
I'm not really sure where they go now
Dec 30th 2013
169
agreed
Dec 30th 2013
170
they should double book shows more often.
Dec 31st 2013
171
You ever seen a crowd have its' heart broken before like that?
Dec 31st 2013
172
So The Rock says the plan for WM 30 was him vs. Brock
Dec 31st 2013
173
that was well known.
Jan 01st 2014
178
Brock Lesnar Screaming.....fuck, i can stop right there
Jan 01st 2014
180
shit was funny and frightening.
Jan 01st 2014
182
where does tensai go from here? ...home?
Jan 01st 2014
181
They never should have brought that dude back.
Jan 01st 2014
183
You mean he should have never came back.
Jan 08th 2014
223
      No, I meant exactly what I said and I had it right.
Jan 08th 2014
226
Looks like NXT commentary
Jan 18th 2014
336
Yes chant @ the Rose Bowl
Jan 02nd 2014
184
wow.
Jan 02nd 2014
185
Why would they not edit that out
Jan 02nd 2014
186
They did it again during Tuesday's b-ball game vs. Ohio
Jan 08th 2014
224
Pardon my ignorance
Jan 03rd 2014
187
I think they lost, or dropped the suit.
Jan 04th 2014
188
i wonder how freddie foxx/bumpy knuck felt about it
Jan 04th 2014
190
from what I remember...
Jan 04th 2014
191
Shole wish I could find a free live stream of the Tokyo Dome show
Jan 04th 2014
189
sorry dude.
Jan 05th 2014
193
I still need to watch the last two matches
Jan 06th 2014
194
Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing... Daniel Wyatt (link)
Jan 05th 2014
192
O SO NO POST ON THE RETURN OF JAKE THA MUTHAFUCKIN' SNAKE?
Jan 07th 2014
195
"PG Jake, PG" is the best thing I've ever heard on wrestling
Jan 07th 2014
198
^^^^ ....best thing about it was how HEALTHY jake looked
Jan 07th 2014
204
      WWE seriously needs to hire DDP to be their rehab specialist
Jan 08th 2014
225
Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks.
Jan 07th 2014
196
^doesn't look fly 2day.
Jan 07th 2014
197
they do sort of blow but Lawler was a god cmon
Jan 07th 2014
199
RE: Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks.
Jan 07th 2014
200
Nope. Lawler is wack and always has been.
Jan 07th 2014
215
They're fun.
Jan 07th 2014
201
man it'd been so long that i had to wikipedia brian chistopher
Jan 07th 2014
203
I thought Scotty looked pretty good last night
Jan 07th 2014
205
I think you're being a bit harsh
Jan 07th 2014
207
Nah it's pretty spot on. If anything, I'm being too forgiving.
Jan 07th 2014
216
RE: Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks.
Jan 07th 2014
220
Apparently Ryback hurt Ziggler last night.
Jan 07th 2014
202
fuck ryback
Jan 07th 2014
206
it happens
Jan 07th 2014
208
      seems to happen a lot with him though
Jan 07th 2014
210
           everybody gets injured. a clothesline is just as much the
Jan 07th 2014
211
                by all accounts ryback works pretty stiff
Jan 07th 2014
212
                     yeah, even cena called him out on it once allegedly
Jan 07th 2014
213
                     Cena does all the time, just not publicly.
Jan 07th 2014
221
                     on another note. ..hot spot angles with brock usually equals
Jan 07th 2014
214
Dean Ambrose is winning, a bionic elbow AND the snake??!
Jan 07th 2014
209
^^^^^^
Jan 07th 2014
219
holy shit, I'M GOING TO THE ROYAL RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jan 07th 2014
217
Dope
Jan 07th 2014
218
Nice, I'll be there too. But not in a suite
Jan 07th 2014
222
Anyone planning on watching them announce the network tonight?
Jan 08th 2014
227
I plan on it...
Jan 08th 2014
229
no more Kaitlyn
Jan 08th 2014
228
E's a whole lot of fun on social media
Jan 08th 2014
230
$10 a month gets you every PPV streaming for free???
Jan 08th 2014
231
Yea, if they can handle all that PPV traffic, I'm definitely in
Jan 08th 2014
233
Vinny Mac took a dump truck shit on Dana White & UFC business.
Jan 08th 2014
234
      no he didn't.
Jan 08th 2014
235
           I think they're being proactive if nothing else
Jan 09th 2014
236
           but that's their own fault.
Jan 09th 2014
237
                they have, but i think this helps them build the next star
Jan 09th 2014
238
           it's incredible
Jan 09th 2014
240
                That's probably why Stephanie's been dumping stock.
Jan 09th 2014
242
                     Now, I'm not saying the idea will for sure succeed...
Jan 10th 2014
243
                     looks like she's been busy
Jan 10th 2014
244
                     i wouldn't read much into that, she said they're building a house
Jan 10th 2014
245
Quick deets on the network (that Meltzer knew a few weeks back, btw)
Jan 08th 2014
232
Really fan friendly stuff here, hope it works out
Jan 09th 2014
239
they integrated the WWE app with it? i didn't see that coming
Jan 09th 2014
241
Well that was a useless fucking story twist
Jan 13th 2014
246
I actually liked it
Jan 13th 2014
247
To me it screams as doing things on the fly with no plan
Jan 13th 2014
248
pretty much.
Jan 13th 2014
251
      I really don't think they wanted him to be a heel
Jan 14th 2014
272
           this is specifically why I think they rushed it.
Jan 14th 2014
283
                You may be right. I'm looking at the *how* though, not the *what*.
Jan 14th 2014
296
                     i see your reasoning, i just don't buy kane's part in this
Jan 14th 2014
307
RE: I actually liked it
Jan 13th 2014
249
I liked it. He got Wyatt where he wanted him.
Jan 13th 2014
250
Exactly
Jan 14th 2014
252
How is it useless? It was executed perfectly if you ask me.
Jan 14th 2014
253
You're too smart to think this was the plan
Jan 14th 2014
254
      Plan, Schman. Did you watch a great show or not?
Jan 14th 2014
267
           ^^^ SCIENCE ^^^
Jan 16th 2014
316
WTF? so he could finally get bray alone
Jan 14th 2014
256
Oh so in the storyline I"m supposed to believe this then...
Jan 14th 2014
260
      ^^^ Not lying
Jan 14th 2014
261
      Yeah he is. You guys are just on some smark shit right now
Jan 14th 2014
273
           Correction
Jan 14th 2014
274
                Good god are you sensitive.
Jan 14th 2014
279
                Good god are you sensitive.
Jan 14th 2014
280
                     Oh.
Jan 14th 2014
285
                          You know good and well you read every word.
Jan 14th 2014
306
                               That defense sounds familiar....
Jan 16th 2014
318
      OH JEEZ MAN, just watch and enjoy. more details may emerge
Jan 14th 2014
266
      Wierd, isn't it? It's like he'd rather them force a story he hates
Jan 14th 2014
269
           All I said is they botched it and had to change plans, you agreed
Jan 14th 2014
276
                I didn't agree. If you consider smug smark an insult, well...
Jan 14th 2014
282
                     I ignored it becuase it was too long of a rant about wrestling
Jan 14th 2014
304
                          Why does someone have to be "mad" to have a conversation?
Jan 14th 2014
305
                               I don't know why you had to be mad, you tell me
Jan 14th 2014
310
      Why is that the only possible story to tell?
Jan 14th 2014
268
      Well, an argument could be made that his buddy Kane was in on it
Jan 14th 2014
275
           the Wyatts beat Kane down, and really...does KANE seem
Jan 14th 2014
290
                AND KANE CHOKED HHH RECENTLY
Jan 14th 2014
291
               
Jan 14th 2014
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                It would be cool if it were revealed that Kane, DB, and CM Punk
Jan 14th 2014
301
                     Crowds chanting "YES YES YES" behind him...
Jan 16th 2014
321
AND his "former" friend was the only one with the key to the cage
Jan 14th 2014
258
AND his "former" friend was the only one with the key to the cage
Jan 14th 2014
259
Michigan State at Halftime caused this...
Jan 14th 2014
265
THAT is PRECISELY why sometimes u should just be PATIENT
Jan 14th 2014
255
i woulda had that turn at a PPV tho, a little later on
Jan 14th 2014
257
*smh*
Jan 14th 2014
262
this seems like a build up for the rumble
Jan 14th 2014
263
a great moment. Maybe would've been even greater during the Rumble
Jan 14th 2014
264
      Yeah that's my only misgiving about this
Jan 14th 2014
270
           yeah that woulda been a GREAT ending for a PPV
Jan 14th 2014
271
           Maybe it was shotgunned because of all the recent WWE Network attention?
Jan 16th 2014
322
                Naw famo ...
Jan 16th 2014
329
Y'all been following Ryback's Twitter meltdown?
Jan 14th 2014
277
I hope Goldberg comes back and squashes him in 15 seconds nm
Jan 14th 2014
278
He acts like he just discovered the internet
Jan 14th 2014
281
he's just trolling people, and I think it's funny
Jan 14th 2014
284
I'm reading WWE thinks he's batshit crazy
Jan 14th 2014
286
as far as i know he ALWAYS deletes tweets
Jan 14th 2014
289
right, but he does similar trolling pretty often
Jan 14th 2014
294
ha. i need to follow him on twitter.
Jan 14th 2014
298
Yall saw his entrance on raw right?
Jan 16th 2014
323
So what show should be the first to air on WWE Network?
Jan 14th 2014
287
btw, that crowd last night was DEAD until the last segment
Jan 14th 2014
288
It's an awesome visual
Jan 14th 2014
302
wooooo he over as fuck.
Jan 14th 2014
308
'twas an interesting show. no post about kofi pinning orton cleanly?
Jan 14th 2014
292
was happy about that (although he'll probably lose a 2 second rematch)
Jan 14th 2014
295
Jan 14th 2014
299
i straight up thought of shelton/hhh
Jan 14th 2014
303
FINALLY getting some credibility for the SOS...
Jan 16th 2014
324
One more point about Bryan/Wyatt from last night
Jan 14th 2014
293
Also: Am I the only one seeing subtle shades of the Corporate Ministry
Jan 14th 2014
297
Fuck. Bryan got a concussion.
Jan 14th 2014
309
R.I.P. Mae Young
Jan 15th 2014
311
Hopefully WWE gives her an amazing send off.
Jan 15th 2014
312
Wrestling Observor says they turned Bryan back earlier than they intende...
Jan 16th 2014
313
I mean he HAS TO win the Rumble right?
Jan 16th 2014
314
although he's over and it seems it may go that route ...
Jan 16th 2014
315
Not sure how that happens now with this concussion.
Jan 16th 2014
317
If they want to do Bryan-Orton at Mania, they should
Jan 16th 2014
319
the only credible consolation prize then is Bryan/Taker
Jan 16th 2014
325
      rumor had it Taker wanted to work with Bryan
Jan 16th 2014
328
           Byran/Taker is guaranteed 5 stars...I hope they recognize that.
Jan 17th 2014
332
                I want him to win the title. But if he's not gonna he deserves Taker.
Jan 17th 2014
333
                     A friend of mine drew parallels between Taker and Andre.
Jan 17th 2014
334
                          RE: A friend of mine drew parallels between Taker and Andre.
Jan 22nd 2014
345
that's what i thought on monday, then the concussion came out.
Jan 16th 2014
326
duh.
Jan 16th 2014
327
Also HOGAN BACK
Jan 16th 2014
320
to WWE? :-(
Jan 17th 2014
331
Grantland's Cheap Heat Podcast 1/16
Jan 17th 2014
330
Yeah, I'm not buying their "OMG WWE is TOTALLY meta-trolling us!"
Jan 17th 2014
335
so orton just hop off in a car and get drove away?
Jan 21st 2014
337
This raw made me not want to see the Rumble at every turn
Jan 21st 2014
341
The Big E/Rhodes Brothers vs The Shield match is a must see
Jan 21st 2014
338
RE: The Big E/Rhodes Brothers vs The Shield match is a must see
Jan 21st 2014
339
      SUPERMAN PUNCH
Jan 21st 2014
340
           They need to rename that move . Call it Reign Man, Make It Reign,
Jan 21st 2014
343
                Reign Drop, n/m
Jan 22nd 2014
344
                That should be the name of his Samoan Drop move
Jan 22nd 2014
347
                Best angle of it
Jan 22nd 2014
346
                     That's pretty great.
Jan 22nd 2014
348
Word is Bryan won't even be in the rumble
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I have a hard time believing he won't be in it
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god that would fucking suck.
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      Nah.That'd be a hell of a main event.
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      Better than Orton vs Batista
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not sure what to make of this.
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      We can only hope this is one big zig zag
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           I'm confidant in a long term plan for Bryan now.
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                The push to ruin Daniel Bryan started on Monday
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                     Big Show already tried to take it over and didn't ruin it
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                     That's good, it means you can still like him
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                          B/c growing tired of things shoved in our faces is a strange reaction
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                               I was just crackin on you.
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GET ON RECORD: Who's winning the Rumble?
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That would be the smart way to write this story
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who said that? everyone would go absolutely nuts.
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      I'll have to find it. I think it was on Yahoo or something
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           haha, I kinda wrote that above (#345)
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                LOL that could very well be what I read. For the life of me I can't reme...
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                     RE: LOL that could very well be what I read. For the life of me I can't ...
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goddamn it, I hope you're right
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That's easy...Batista is going to win...there is no other way
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I wonder how Punk feels about that...
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It's Batista because WWE hates me
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I could talk you out of Batista if I had a better plan B idea for him
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      Batista vs Brock get smy money.
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           for sure. I'd most certainly rather Bryan for the strap tho
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                Agreed. In that case I'd put Ziggler with Taker
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obv batista.
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Sadly, this is where I'm at as well
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Didn't it used to feel like anyone could win the Rumble...
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Depends how far back you are talking
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One of the Wyatts, who will then "sacrifice" the win to Bray
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      Brilliant booking, would definitely watch.
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Forgive my ignorance, but I haven't watched in a long time
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He came back last Monday. He's a front runner to win the Royal Rumble.
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      Thank you
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STING COMING?
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I'd mark out initially, but what's there for him to really do?
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      I haven't watched TNA in a while. Sting's 54 years old.
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           is he really??
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           RE: I haven't watched TNA in a while. Sting's 54 years old.
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           His Scorpion Death Lock/Sharpshooter in 2013/14 is the worst I've ever s...
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                It's worse than the Sharp Shitter?
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This was probably the all time WWE fuckup
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Our future champ flipped off the crowd & mocked DB
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BrooklynWHAT
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1. "i guess Shield/Wyatts is the long term move"
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they can't sell me on a Punk/Bryan vs weedcarrier Wyatts though. it should be a 2 on 3.

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2. "I thought they'd go with a Survivor Series match."
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6 on 6 with Bryan/Punk/Golddust/Cody/Usos vs. Shield/Wyatts.

I guess that made too much sense though.
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3. "That could be the mother of all SS matches. "
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Oh, and I'm way intrigued by Ibushi vs. Devitt.

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4. "I would say that would be the MOTY..."
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but my god; there have been so many New Japan PPV matches that would be the MOTY any other year this year that it hasn't even been funny.

But it's gonna be epic. And probably the show stealer. The only way they could make it better is if they somehow put Ricochet in there and make it a three-way for the title.

But Devitt's had it long enough, and it's time he became a real threat to the IWGP Title in the upcoming year vs. Okada.
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5. "prime time players push is DONE..got beat by 3MB...BUT"
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i expected 3mb to start winning sooner or later.




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6. "re: 3MB. i really thought that they were gonna squash these guys"
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so much that the fans would start getting behind them. like mickey whipwreck...or when jim duggan was in wcw.

he was a trashman, vince told him, these people don't care if you live or die. a pretty good promo by russo. and then duggan come out to the ring, and people cheered like hell for him again

or maybe tommy dreamer when dude could NEVER pin raven....and the crowd is like ...one day he HAS to finally beat this dude.

i could see that with 3mb...they are the quintessential (c) joel gertner underdogs

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7. "Nah. They are far too unlikable. "
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There's nothing about him to get behind. These guys are bland and there's no story to their booking that would make anyone care.

Dreamer losing to Raven time and again worked because due to a personal and relatable angle dating back to their childhood and the addition of Beulah put it over the top.

Whipwreck gave you his all in the ring and could actually put on a show bumping like crazy.

Duggan had a past as a lovable character in the WWE, along with a classic patriot gimmick thatís a cheap but Ėoh-so-effective over anytime itís used, especially to the core WCW fan base.
A guy like, say, the Lightning Kid got over by beating a hated villain who badly overpowered and outmatched him.
There was an underdog story being told in those programs that everyone could relate to.

3MB are obnoxious assholes with a leader who takes his promo cues from the worst, most clichťd elements of USWA Wrassliní style mic work, while Drew has ZERO personality.

So, thereís no story being told other than they keep losing, they arenít being bullied by a persistent and sadistic antagonist, they have no charisma and weak mic skills, and none of them are particularly exciting to watch wrestle.

Guys like Jeff Hardy or John Morrison got over in a big way by being entertaining as hell in the ring despite being limited in the promo department.

Without a story, a personality, or an in ring style to get behind, how and why would they develop a following simply by losing? Iím not saying it canít or wonít happen, but I personally donít see it.

  

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8. "2 things, tho. 1 there is a funny factor to them"
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it's like two guys guys got totally ripped form their gimmick and smashed into one guy's gimmick.

wasn't jinder sposed to be khali's brother?
and damn. look how far the chosen one has fallen

2. i'm kinda rooting for them because...the three dudes got a raw deal. whomever made them a team, just lazily did it.

maybe it's just me, i keep expecting them to turn that corner. i can't be other only guy that sees that these guys are being FORCED into being a buffoon.

i mean kinda like the job squad....people started pulling for them...just a little

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19. "twitter.com/Did3MBWin"
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Kudos to whoever is running this account, as it makes me giggle a whole bunch.

  

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25. "https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/402657413805113344"
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https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/402657413805113344

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9. "Question Expertise...."
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I notice you talk a lot about Japanese wrestling, where do you watch their shows? Also, do they follow storylines and promos like American wrestling, and if so, are the shows you watch subtitled so you can follow the action? I always wondered if they had storylines or if it was all about the in ring action over there....



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10. "I just watch the iPPVs on occasion."
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I made mention of Wrestle Kingdom because it's New Japan's version of WrestleMania. They have it on January 4th every year and it's at the Tokyo Dome. I can't watch all of their stuff because their PPVs alone generally run about 4 hours plus. As much as I love to watch their stuff, I still watch WWE more because it's easier for me to get my hands on and doesn't last that long.

But they do have a weekly show. Once they got off of the whole MMA kick (well as the Gracies vs. Sakuraba tag team match shows, they haven't gotten completely off of it) from the early 2000s they have gotten back to more modern storylines, stables (there are probably four stables in New Japan right now), and the characters are really good. In fact, I think they do a much better job building gimmicks and characters overall than WWE does. Only John Cena has more charisma than Hiroshi Tanahashi in WWE. There is no better gimmick than Nakamura's 80s stoned rocker gimmick, and there is no better in-ring heel in all of wrestling than Minoru Suzuki.

And the crazy thing is, there isn't any subtitles or English broadcasters (not yet; they've considered it). Yet it's not hard to understand most of what goes on. I follow a couple of puroresu websites (along with F4W/WON) for the intricate details, but you can follow the feuds pretty well without them. Besides, you need a Jim Ross or someone like that to come in and really dedicate themselves to become a part of the show in order for it to be a plus.

They started doing iPPVs about a couple of years ago, and they are by far the most successful at it. Last year's Wrestle Kingdom sold over 100,000 buys; before that I don't think anyone had done over 25,000 in wrestling, especially in Japan where they're used to big wrestling shows being televised on free tv.
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11. "30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works"
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http://pwinsider.com/article/81610/espn-working-on-30-for-30-segment-on-von-erichs.html?p=1

ESPN is working on a 30 for 30 piece on the Von Erich family. The plan is for the piece to air sometime in January 2014. Kevin Von Erich will be interviewed for the piece and they will be traveling to Hawaii to film him at his home.

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29. "RE: 30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works"
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will be entertaining and quite sad....

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32. "RE: 30 for 30 on the Von Erichs are in works"
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yeah, I schooled a young fan on the Von Erichs last week at this Comic convention. Jim Cornette was there and I struck up a conversation about it with him and this guy said he saw the look on Cornette's face and knew it was a tragedy. I told him when this airs, it would be wise for him to check it out.

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12. "w/ Survivor Series 6 days away, RAW goes country!"
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guest stars: Florida Georgia Line.

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13. "Smh"
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Can't wait to see who they blame the low ppv numbers on this time.

  

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14. "New IC Champ! "
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Hopefully they'll give him his five count and some promo time going forward.

  

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15. "Ryback with his best match in a long time"
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16. "is this Xavier Woods main roster debut?"
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straight outta Angel Grove.

edit: they gotta throw that Gail Kim finisher in the bushes though. i never liked that.

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17. "Yep"
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Not my favorite guy in the world, but at least it isn't Corey Graves or CJ Parker.

  

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18. "corey graves is a damn bum."
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20. "raw rundown"
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- everything up to the Big E match was garbage.
- Big E got that strap off bum ass Curtis Axel. Axel's bound for the bushes, E's bound for the stars. Play this push right and they might be able to bring some credibility back to the IC belt in the process. Memphis gave him a huge reaction too.
- that divas musical chairs bullshit was the only good theme-related thing. there's just so much talent in the divas division. special props to kaitlyn https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZZ5HVPCIAEFoZA.jpg
- Ryback looks like the Big Show's mini me. decent match considering the participants.
- Real Americans vs Static Kofi/Miz. Miz w/ a bitch nigga move not tagging Kofi.
- Ziggler vs Sandow aka The Broadway Brawl aka The Battle of the Buried. wow this ran way longer than i would've expected but Ziggler made the ending hot.
- Cena: "Hey guys, I'm really hurt. ADR still can't get over on me though."
- Truth & Consequences vs Rhinestone Cowboys. Xavier Woods should do well in the midcard.
- 6 v 6 main event. two things. one, is it me or has Punk's offense been VERY sloppy lately. two, i thought Mysterio's knees were grinded to dust.

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21. "Didn't know that ReyRey had Dr. Chao as his surgeon"
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aka the drunken ex-Chargers team doctor. Twenty years of matches made worse by shoddy doctoring.

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22. "there's something they don't like about Ryback. "
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and I don't know what it is. I know JR was pretty vocal about Ryback being green, but still there's been guys way greener who they pushed to the moon (Sheamus early on, Khali etc)

I just can't figure out why they drove Ryback into the ground or what their motive is/was.

From Ryback we arrive at Big E and Roman Reigns. I'm excited to see what comes of these guys. Last night was pretty telling - Langston winning and looking good doing so, and Reigns speaking for the Shield in their backstage segment with Orton right after Langston's match.

The WWE is dying for their next Batista/Cena type and Reigns and Langston fit those molds perfectly. But the question remains, why don't they think Ryback fits the mold too?

  

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24. "They're about to turn Ryback back to a babyface"
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The thought is, if you job him out as a heel, then he can be "rebuilt" when they turn him face

Until they resume booking him to lose in big matches, that is

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23. "They've got to let Big E use his five count"
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>- everything up to the Big E match was garbage.
>- Big E got that strap off bum ass Curtis Axel. Axel's bound
>for the bushes, E's bound for the stars. Play this push right
>and they might be able to bring some credibility back to the
>IC belt in the process. Memphis gave him a huge reaction too.

That shit's great. Just put him in a few matches against 3MB/Santino-level dudes so he can crush them and use the five count on Raw a few times so the fans can get used to it.

  

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26. "What's his five count? "
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27. "It's the old King Kong Bundy gimmick"
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After the match, E hits the guy again with his finisher and pins him for five seconds, while the crowd counts along.

It's pretty enjoyable, and the fact that he was able to get away with doing it as a babyface in NXT was impressive. Plus, it gives the crowd something to chant.

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28. "It's a shame the Big Ending is absolute shit then "
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Because that's a fantastic gimmick.

  

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30. "yeah, he needs a new finisher now."
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135. "Really? I think it's pretty good."
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Good exhibit of his strength, and I see it as a combo of an RKO and a powerslam. Plus he's starting to get a big pop when he drops the straps. It's something different from "random powerbomb variation" at the very least.

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31. "I marked out when Bryan and Punk did the Hart Attack on Rollins!"
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Any match with Punk and Bryan is always great... Their Survivor Series match with the Wyatt family will be great!

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33. "late pass: cm punk best in the world doc"
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i'm not even a huge fan of the dude like that but that's one of the better docs i've seen from WWE home video. i wish the netflix version had all the extras but i guess i'll have to track that down online. but i would've gladly sat through another hour of it for them to just expand on some of the things it showed about.

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34. "Rollins and Reigns are killing it in this first match"
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So many great spears already and it's not over yet. That Cross Rhodes/tag sequence was pretty cool and Rollins flying curb stomp or whatever you call it was nuts. The slow-mo of it looked great too.

  

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38. "that curbstomp was nice."
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35. "aaaaand...let the roman reigns monster push begin. nm"
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36. "roman reigns went to work."
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that ambrose elimination was wack though. so was cesaro's.

dope match though.

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37. "Damn, Reigns is a beast"
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39. "LMAO... that mighta been the cheapest pop in history"
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and, he's still using that 'big ending' finisher?

  

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40. "Am I the only one looking forward to a Reigns/Big E singles feud?"
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Epic hoss fight potential.


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41. "down the road it'd be dope."
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42. "Nope, should be awesome"
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I was trying to think of who I'd like to see Big E feud with for the belt, and Reigns is definitely up there. Cesaro would be fun also, but Reigns-Big E should happen soon. Or at least I hope it does.

  

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43. "Mark Henry!!!"
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Awesome to have him back.

And I quite enjoyed some dude in the crowd chanting "Incognito" at Ryback. Well done, sir.

  

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44. "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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So happy

  

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45. "yeaaaaaah fuck ryback!"
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wigs were split. ass was kicked.

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46. "huge cena sucks section in his hometown"
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http://i.imgur.com/A3b4USi.jpg

right on the main camera too. gotta love it.

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47. "the crowd is clowning this sorry ass show/orton match"
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and it deserves it all and more.

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49. "that was god awful, can't believe it headlined."
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50. "The Bryan chants were a nice touch"
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I don't usually care for "boring" chants, but I can't say I was totally into that main event either. Earlier in the night the crowd bothered me with those "you can't wrestle" chants during the intercontinental match, which I thought was solid, but I was pretty much right there with their reaction to the main event.

  

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48. "who's hype for Cena vs Orton!"
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anybody???

didn't think so.

and this PPV was going so well until the main event too.

edit: i mean goddamn the people want Bryan and Punk as the focus, not Cena and Orton. the reactions do not lie. would it kill them to give us what we want???

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51. "I only caught the last 1/2 hr "
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Yeah, Orton and Show can take that mess. They have to do Orton vs. Cena because Orton is the only guy people will root for Cena to beat.

I don't even hate Cena but I'm tired of his whole deal. Surely they are not building up to a Cena/Orton belt-off at Mania.

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52. "They wouldn't waste hyping two matches..."
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plus there's the Rumble winner to contend with in the title picture as well. I'm somewhat confident that Bryan and/or Punk will make their way back to the title picture in time for Wrestlemania.

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53. "yeah, MITB needs to replace this in the Big 4."
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or at least don't have a bunch of PPVs before this so there can be some build up. Some highlights here and there, kinda boring in the middle, and the ending was horrendous. At least they finally moved some storylines along though.

Miz vs. Kofi was pretty entertaining, though it's weird to lose on the millionth roll-up of the match.

Rhodes, Usos, Rey vs. Shield and Real Americans was the highlight of the night. Kinda wish the good guys got in a little more offense, but that's a very minor complaint. Reigns' domination was a great story. And this match provided another reason for Reigns to give Ambrose the stink eye, which I've been loving. Have they shown Rollins' finisher before? That was great.

Big E vs. Axel was good, if forgettable. Not convinced Big E is worth the push he's gonna get just yet, but the pandering thing was pretty funny. I hope they emphasize his humor.

Divas match was alright, but those single move eliminations looked pretty silly. I'm still pissed it was one of the only two survivor series matches (and that those matches were done in the first half of the PPV). For a second I thought JoJo was gonna pull it out... Damn.

Henry-Ryback was fine for a short match, but that's 3 pretty unspectacular matches in a row. Glad to see Henry back though. And I always like seeing Ryback lose.

Cena-ADR: Oh look! Cena overcame the odds again!

Punk/Bryan vs. Wyatts was good. Woulda made more sense for the Wyatts to win, but this rivalry could have some legs.

Orton/Big Show: Everyone knew this was gonna be boring, and it was even more boring than I could have possibly imagined. Sloppy as hell too. Fuck this whole match.

But a tease at unification is okay in my book. Long overdue.

  

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54. "survivor series: the raw edition"
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some observations

- so the authoritah made a cena/orton unification ladder match for TLC. woooooooo! it's funny how little the audience cared about a title match "11 years in the making" lol.

- speaking of the title picture, they're just gonna trade belts.

- there's a good storyline in a mizzark/langston "world's strongest team" thing but the wwe would never do it. langston is on some mini-me shit next to him. axel was out of his weight class in that matchup. match was cool though.

- divas survivor series rematch. because they forgot that nikki bella never actually got eliminated.

- ziggler/sandow get another stupid fucking match and made the best of it. a "hamptons" hardcore match.

- IWC megapowers vs wyatts was nice. 2 nights in a row that the show has fell off a fucking cliff after the punk/bryan portion. both in quality and in audience reaction. wonder how the WWE responds to this?

- curious to see what will come of the wyatt/bryan abduction. if this were the attitude era the potential for fuckery would be limitless.

- xavier woods direction: "hey broadus isn't on the show tonight so we need you to go be black in his place."

- foley in characters doing the merch table was good stuff.

- main event was funny just for seeing ADR, show & orton coming out to silence and cena begging the audience hulk hogan style for some positive reaction. the actual match sucked.

at least mania prep season isn't too far off.

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55. "Lol"
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>- xavier woods direction: "hey broadus isn't on the show
>tonight so we need you to go be black in his place."

  

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56. "The last hour of smackdown was fun"
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Started w/ Rhodes vs Shield for the tag belts. Ambrose on commentary dropping absolute gold. Evolved into a 6v6.

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57. "TNA deserves a little credit for this"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeFy04hNcM

The funeral for Aces & Eights, hosted by Mr. Anderson.

One of the best non-wrestling wrestling segments I've seen all year. Anderson pokes his head out of the coffin and you think this is gonna be corny like usual. Nope. A rare home run by TNA.

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59. "RE: TNA deserves a little credit for this"
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeFy04hNcM
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>The funeral for Aces & Eights, hosted by Mr. Anderson.
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>One of the best non-wrestling wrestling segments I've seen all
>year. Anderson pokes his head out of the coffin and you think
>this is gonna be corny like usual. Nope. A rare home run by
>TNA.

Haha! I want to like that show so much since it is wrestling. A little good comedy goes a long way. I took TNA off of my DVR list around summertime. I'd turn to it if I was home and you awreddy know that I'd see Aces doing something and turn away. I'd also see MEM back and Styles still acting broken up with a scruff beard.

Kurt Angle looks scary bad, but hopefully he's on the way up.

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60. "Joe not giving Angle a beer was hilarious"
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61. "Yes! Anderson's "we've all felt Bully's hammer" line was gold too"
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81. "then angle waving away at him lol"
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58. "new Ultimate Warrior interview (swipe)"
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http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Ultimate_Warrior_Interview_-_Addresses_The_WWE_Hall_of_Fame_Whether_He_Would_Wrestle_Again.html

Promoting the release of WWE 2K14, Ultimate Warrior addressed a series of WWE-related topics in an interview with DigitalSpy.com, including the possibility of being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

"The simple answer is they've got to tell the right story. That's a possibility. Being in the Hall of Fame - Ultimate Warrior being inducted into the Hall of Fame, or me standing there at the Hall of Fame participating in it - is not going to mean anything to my goals in my life and the kind of quality of life I'm going to have, what kind of things I'm going to do, how productive I'm going to be as I move on throughout my life," remarked Warrior.

"I only get this one life, so I'm not going to sit in my own pile of poop and feel sorry that I'm not in the Hall of Fame. The Ultimate Warrior character relative to professional wrestling or WWE, he's definitely a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer whether he gets into the Hall of Fame or not."

Warrior does not watch WWE programming, but says with the internet, "it's impossible not to be aware of some of the top talent." The former WWE Champion, however, reiterates that he will not return to the ring to face a premiere WWE Superstar.

"I'm one of the first guys in recent years that's gone on the record and said to all my colleagues that were in the business at the same time I was that it's time to pack your f**king gear bag and go home. Let the other guys have their chance and get your nose out of their business," remarked Warrior.

"People will say Ryback - 'What would Warrior have been like with Ryback?' Or Goldberg. I know why they say those things - because of the intensity and body look, the aggression, the power. Those kind of matches tend to be f**king stinkers, you know? You want to work with somebody who's got a different style. Wrestling is more than just being big."

"Even when I was on the road and we traveled all over the world, I met so many big, huge guys, great-looking guys, guys that looked like they were carved out of stone. They thought that they could be in the business if they were just given a chance or devoted some time to doing it or learnt the basic moves. It takes much more than that. It takes more than a body or a physique to make it happen."

Warrior says his toughest opponent was former rival "Macho Man" Randy Savage: "The toughest for me was the one that brought the best out of me, out of my character. That's different from 'Who's the toughest guy, who's the most badass opponent I ever faced?'.

"The toughest opponent for me would have been Randy Savage, the Macho Man, because his intensity paralleled mine. He became totally caught up in his character, which was a requisite to success in the business at the time."
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62. "Neville & Zayn had a real good one on NXT this week"
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63. "WrestleMania 31 will be at Levi's Stadium in Northern California"
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Nigga might go

Let's hope that the product will be less shiteous than it is now

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64. "I WILL BE THERE!!!!!!!!!!!"
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AND AT THE HALL OF FAME!



AND AT RAW!!!!!!!



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66. "I'll be there. I'm hyped"
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65. "Dope final segment on Raw nm"
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67. "crowd was awesome... But I'm not sure about the end..."
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John Cena standing with the Authority...they turning him heel?? finally? is it even possible??

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72. "I think you're reading too much into it"
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Even with all of their shitty decisions of the last 4 months, they wouldn't turn Cena heel on a comedy edition of Raw

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68. "Cena always brings a great promo"
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I feel bad for Orton, no matter how hard he tries, crowd always yells "boring". Cena gets booed hard by the crowd but then wins them over..but the best part was at the end, when the whole arena was HOT for DB, hometown or not, WWE better put this guy back in the main event picture

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69. "raw rundown: slammy edition (guest star: Seattle, WA)"
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first off, last week was another terrible Raw with a wack ending.

now to this week. since this is the longest i have consistently watched wrestling since...06, this is the first time i've ever even heard of the slammys. so i was rather interested to see what exactly it is. they really run this shit like an award show lol.

- Bryan vs Fandango. good opener, got the hometown crowd hot. i wouldn't have minded if they let it go another 5 mins. more Wyatts/Bryan teasing in a post-match promo.
- Santino vs Sandow (feat. Big E on commentary). nothing special. more setup for Big E/Sandow at TLC after the match.
- I consider HBKs Doublecross award of the Lifetime Achievement variety.
- Kofi vs Miz. this feud would really benefit some backstage fuckery.
- Diva of the Year: Bella Twins. Deserved winners. AJ stans wept and vehemently booed. Eve Torres got even hotter since leaving.
- Show/Rey/Rhodes vs Rybaxel/Real Americans. The Rey/Cody tag combo at the end was nice.
- Superstar of the Year: D-Bry. Go Seahawks!
- Sin Hunico vs ADR. only thing of note here is that Hunico gave ADR a concussion. the Sin Cara character is clearly cursed. i dug the theater lighting too.
- Broadus vs Xavier. I guess Broadus was really mad about that theme music because he flattened Xavier.
- Insult of the Year: Right person, wrong situation. They should've gave it to Stephanie for when she killed Miz. Just to have him present it to her.
- Punk vs Ambrose. Punk didn't shit himself tonight like he did on Smackdown so that's a plus. great match. more Shield dissension too. and a SPEAR!
- Harper/Rowan vs Usos
- Match of the Year: Rock vs Cena. Yeah, no.
- The Ascension Ceremony: first off, stupid name. alright so 20 champs in one ring. apparently last week's HHH revisionism wasn't enough so we had to get a bit more.*** constant Bryan chants over HHH talking lol. he's dying laughing. Christian sighting! Orton's out here cooking on the mic for once. Cena comes back w/ heat leeching off Bryan and shooting (even though damn near everything he said about Orton applies to himself as well). I actually hope Orton wins now. Then absolute chaos pops off w/ Cena, Orton, Punk, HBK, HHH & Bryan. Stephanie gets knocked over amidst it all and Orton catches a Pedigree for it. Closing shot, Cena & The Authority looking down on Orton, Bryan chants over everything. I reeeeeally hope Orton wins now.
***edit bonus: Punk's reaction to "Greatest WWE Champ" Triple H - http://i.minus.com/icTn0LcPpNDJD.gif

Yall gotta at least peep the finale. Best one since I started back watching. the Slammys are cool too. Seattle crowd was awesome.

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70. "I am hoping for a heel Cena vs DB at Mania this year"
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this is the best ending RAW has had in quite awhile, usually ill read the dirtsheets but i had a feeling the ceremony tonight was going to be special

i wonder if they are making a new belt for this? i hope they bring back the old undisputed title or the bigger eagle title stone cold and the rock had before, new WWE title looks like a football championship ring

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71. "Cena won't go heel. the crowd will just boo the fuck out of him."
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as far as the belt, i guess they're making a new one since they're going out of their way to call it the Unified Champion. that original Undisputed Championship goes real hard though.

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73. "the current belt isn't even a year old."
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They're going with that one.

Any thoughts about them bringing back the winged eagle belt or the Brock Lesnar belt should cease. They aren't ever coming back.
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74. "This won't end with one champion"
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They are not going to do something this big (unification) at a small PPV like this.

There will be a screwy ending. Both grab each others title and they switch or something.

It will be dragged out to a huge unification match at a top PPV.

  

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75. "yeah, i think this will happen"
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Both grab each others title and
>they switch or something.


and i hate it. plus, will they just redo it at the royal rumble? cause then a historically important match is either buried before the rumble or overshadows the rumble and neither situation is ideal. if you wait till WM that doesn't make much sense either.

  

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77. "Last time they unified was at the December PPV also"
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I agree with you that it will probably continue and not happen, but they did it last time at a smaller PPV so Jericho could run with it through Rumble into WM

  

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83. "hell no it won't"
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76. "I don't want them to split up the Shield"
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They keep hinting at it, though. All three dudes will be awesome on their own, definitely, but they're so great together. That Reigns push has already started, so if they do split up, I wonder how that'd go. Would Reigns just break off against Rollins and Ambrose? All the hints have been Reigns and Rollins vs. Ambrose, though. Maybe Rollins vs. Amrbose and Reigns just jumps into the main event and ignores them? I don't know. If it happens, hopefully it's done well.

Also, if they could just sneak in a brief feaud the Wyatts before breaking up the Shield, that'd be nice as well.

  

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82. "they don't need to."
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78. "Jay Briscoe is at it again (youtube)"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZb8B1qNZ4

There's nothing quite like a Briscoe Brothers promo. Dec. 14th, Jay Briscoe has a three-way dance with ROH World Champ Adam Cole and Michael Elgin at ROH Final Battle for the title he was stripped of after a shoulder injury took him out of competition.


If his crazy eyes don't make you nervous, I don't know what to tell you. He basically threatened everything short of stabbing Adam Cole.

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79. "minus the stars and bars..."
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That's a pretty nice title belt tho.

Something must be wrong with those guys, because it makes no sense for them not to be in TNA or WWE. They're one of the better tag teams of the last 10 yrs and Jay Briscoe has turned into one of the better promo guys in wrestling, although this wasn't one of his best.
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80. "His eyes are crazy, but it's just a bunch of swearing and ranting"
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I'm sure he could reign it in if he had to, but I'm not that impressed watching a guy just yell fuck, bitch, motherfucker etc... every few words.

Part of a great promo in wrestling is crafting it to be well said and fit the show. His charisma and energy are great, but this isn't much that some angry dude with a webcam couldn't also record because he is mad that Miley Cyrus is famous.

  

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84. "he's got Austin-esque conviction. Needs to focus it and chill some."
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the eyes alone will get him over, slow down.

  

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85. "agreed, he has the right look, but comes off like a drunk frat dude"
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116. "that's the last thing he comes across as imo"
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@rob_starrk

  

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86. "you have to watch other promos."
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If you look on ROH's YouTube feed, you'll find some. That one wasn't his best work.
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115. "get this dude in WWE and I'll start watching again"
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love watching this dude's youtube vid's and his matches


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87. "MARCH 29, 2015!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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88. "cray cray AJ got heat for going at Michelle Beadle neck"
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wonder if she gonna lose that title for embarrassing the company?

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91. "AJ's with Punk? "
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Lucky bastard

  

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108. "Punk's been with everyone."
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Except maybe Stephanie and Natalya.
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111. "Michelle Beadle's account of what happened (Twitter)"
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Hopefully, no one will be dumb enough to try to blame her for this...

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(1/4) Once and once only: I've known CM Punk for years. Considered him a friend. When I saw him at the arena, I said 'hey f&$?face'. The

(2/4) exact same way I talk to everyone. His girlfriend was no where near this. And I kept walking along with my assistant and two members

(3/4) of WWE PR. Next thing I know, I'm being yelled at. I honestly thought it was a joke. Period. The event went on and it was amazing. So

(4/4) I hope we can move on from this ridiculously lame 'story.' As for the crazies, BLOCKED! And Happy freaking Holidays!!!



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120. "Punk smashed."
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That's all it was.

Meltzer tried to hold back last night, but he and Alvarez pretty much confirmed it. And AJ is jealous.

She is a total mark.
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89. "Didn't Ziggler beat Cena in the main event last year?"
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Tumbling down the card

  

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90. "they threw that dude in the gutter."
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this punishment is overboard.

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107. "punished for what?"
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112. "running his mouth too much in interviews & social media."
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92. "how are the Usos not even in this match?"
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they got 2 fake tag teams in here but the Usos cant get in. Usos got played out of their #1 contendership a while back too.

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93. "Why are these matches on the ppv?"
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And if you're gonna do them, why back to back like this? They've completely killed the crowd.

  

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94. "2 hrs in and there hasn't been a single table, ladder or chair"
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not even in the No DQ kofi/miz match. shit has been WWE Main Event for the last 45 mins.

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95. "Pretty much"
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>shit has been WWE Main
>Event for the last 45 mins.

  

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109. "That's because you don't want to cheapen the importance of"
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the main event by having more than one match be the TLC match; the most important match on this show - which was a 1-match show if there ever was one - should be the only one to have that stipulation

That's why it was the only one on the card

That, and the call to unify the titles appears to be a spur-of-the-moment move by Vince for whatever reason

And no, if they were going to change the format that doesn't mean they could just change the name of the PPV at the last minute, there's advertising and promotional considerations to take into account that were set up months ahead of time

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96. "I love that Bray's just rocking in the chair til it's his turn"
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97. "Fantastic match"
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98. "this isn't like an AWFUL show, but I can't believe it cost $55"
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just unbelievable.

  

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99. "Way Bryatt has improved a lot."
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Bryan should've taken his hand!!!

Wyatts should've punished him by throwing him through the Spanish Announcer Table or something.

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100. "Can't believe Foley butchered that"
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It was a great performance from Bray though, they made him look like such a boss.

  

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101. "this place is asleep"
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102. "scumbag Orton with the cuffs"
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103. "Can't front on that finish nm"
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105. "me neither, finally a PPV with balls."
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don't really like orton, but he basically beat cena straight up. kofi and r-truth winning is fine in my book (i know this just means they'll lose on raw, but at least they had their moment on a PPV). aj, rhodes, and big e staying champions makes the most sense. would've preferred bryan to win, but that's not realistic. didn't get to watch the punk match, but i think i would be satisfied based on what i read of it.

  

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106. "Agreed"
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104. "no shenanigans. Juan Cena lost. i'm satisfied."
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i wish they hit that last table spot right though.

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110. "I'm sure Cena does too."
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>i wish they hit that last table spot right though.

That looked like a definite concussion, though Cena WAS able to smirk in character as Orton celebrated.

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113. "Hilarious slut shaming on AJ Lee:"
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http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/314643/tumblr_inline_mxwayaRy021sol6xt.jpg

Apparently this was drawn by a fan at a WWE show, and it somehow got backstage to the locker room and passed around. *LOL*
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114. "that's classic."
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136. "You don't know what slut shaming means. "
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137. "Well she is being shamed for doing things male wrestlers all do"
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They all sleep around and with all of the divas but we only really mock the divas for sleeping with a bunch of wrestlers.

Cartoons like this or chanting hoeski at Eve are pretty good examples of slut shaming I'd say.

  

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139. "People go hard at Punk too tho."
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And they went hard at Batista a few years back.

Meanwhile, really the only Divas I remember anyone going after was Kelly Kelly, Melina, and Lita. Lita because of the whole Edge/Matt Hardy thing; Kelly and Melina because it seemed like they were trying to sleep with damn near the entire roster at one time or another, all while claiming to have boyfriends.
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141. "That's really not an example of shaming. "
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117. "Easily one of Punk's worst elbow drops ever"
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126. "he says he INTENTIONALLY tries to make them bad"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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127. "Why? He was sloppy all around last night"
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138. "he says it pisses fanboys off. he said it on colt's podcast"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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118. "Bray continues to kill these promos"
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119. "this Orton/Bryan match deserves some good commentary"
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how does that trio get away w/ being absolutely horrible.

edit: haaaah and Cena gets an RKO for his troubles. that was the livest Bryan has been since summerslam.

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121. "Great match, really liked the ending"
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Gets a lot of heat on Orton, which he desperately needs. Wished he'd sold the knee more throughout the match, but that's a minor quibble.

Not sure what they're doing at the Rumble, but I'm invested.

  

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122. "God these guys piss me the entire fuck OFF. "
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SS and the following...month or so was dope. I've all but checked out of the non-Shield/Rhodes stuff since HIC.

Then they go and deliver an intriguing end to RAW, and extremely well booked final three TLC matches w/a great finish to go with a very good RAW with another well-executed and interesting finish.

They HAVE to put Bryan over for real at some point and every time they get him red hot they turn it back down on them. I've always hypothesized a long term build of Bryan coming up short at every turn that would culminate in a resounding finish that would blow the damn roof off the building, but they haven't instilled enough confidence in me that they'll actually pull the trigger and I fucking hate them for it.

  

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123. "They won't do it."
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Bryan is another Chris Jericho; enough to win the title for a short period of time but they will never let him take the ball and run with it. He's good enough to where he'll stay at the 2nd tier because he can have a good match with just about anyone.
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124. "Except right today he's more over than Chris Jericho was at any period"
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128. "I came to a realization about DB today"
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We all kind of get on the WWE and say they are dumb, they refuse to see he is their most over star, they aren't doing what is best for the company.

Then it hit me: everytime they bury the guy he gets more popular. His whole career has been WWE buries him and he gets more popular, all the way back to the original firing.

So at what point does Vince realize, hey DB is the man, but once we actually give him the long run and let him be the man like CM punk it only goes downhill from there? He has a run, he peaks, and then he is just a star we have. But when we do this, and people think we are doing it because we don't like him (both on TV and in the writers room) people keep buying his merch, keep coming to shows to see him, keep campaigning for him.

Basically DB not as the champ is worth 10X to WWE what he would be worth as champ and I think they get that. It kind of sucks for him legacy wise because he may not ever be a 10 time champion with a great reign, but in the end if they did this and it lasted for a long time people will all remember him as one of the best and he will continue to draw people in.

That being said I want to see him win Rumble and get his WM moment, but that probably isn't best for long term business in reality. Sort of like how everyone in the country wanted the Red Sox to win that first one in 04 or whatever year but once they were just another top team everyone hated them again.

I think you ride this as long as you can with Bryan and once all the fans are sour to the story and it stops elevating him then you give him the belt, he peaks again and then things fall where they fall.

  

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129. "all true. Try this idea out."
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I think there's a way for him to thrive as champ for an extended period of time. If the Authority were to continue to stack the deck against him while he's got the strap, picture a four month program where he endures handicap matches with his title on the line, dangerous stipulation matches, a roster of challengers hand picked by Hunter and company that he mows through. Through all the Authority does Bryan continues to escape these hugely unfair matches with his title intact. The stakes keep getting raised, he keeps coming out on top. The program would begin after Wrestlemania and lead up to Summerslam. And if you're creative enough about it you could have a different main event at every pay-per-view in the Spring in Summer, with everything ramping up to Bryan's biggest test at Summerslam.

Finally after about 3 or 4 months of Bryan outfoxing Triple H, April through July, Hunter is desperate. Begrudgingly, he makes a deal with Paul Heyman and calls in his last resort, Brock Lesnar murderer for hire. At the PPV prior to SS Bryan is poised to yet again defy the odds when out of nowhere Brock Lesnar, contract killer, mauls Bryan and leaves him lying. Randy Orton or a repackaged heel Sheamus lazily pins Bryan to win the title, and the next night on Raw Bryan shifts his attention to Lesnar for a showdown at Summerslam. All August long the Authority is begging Lesnar to end Daniel Bryan for good, and you go into Summerslam with Daniel Bryan v Brock Lesnar, the greatest test of Bryan's career.

How credible would Bryan be then when Triple H is so desperate that he has to call in the former UFC Heavyweight champion to defeat Daniel Bryan, vegan, 220 pounds, and not even six foot tall?

  

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131. "It's a good story, but I don't know if it can last"
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Not because it's not well thought out, but simply because what makes people love Bryan so much is the knowledge that WWE won't let him be the man (this works both for real and in the storyline)

You will lose the outside the storyline love eventually and him overcoming the odds every month on PPV will simply make him John Cena. The kids will still love it but the older audience who is behind him will eventually tire of it. Right now he has the rare mix of older and younger fans loving him, that is almost impossible to have, basically him and Punk are the only ones to really nail it and run with it recently.

As soon as DB becomes the man he has peaked in the older audiences eyes. It won't be immediate, but it will only be down from there, the longer they can piss people off by using him wrong while he continues to draw people in the better for them.

  

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133. "unless you're a Rock/Austin/Cena type guy..."
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it's hard to keep people behind a face champion.

That's why you mostly see world titles put on heels, because then you can have the faces chase the heel for the title and keep your viewers intrigued. But generally when you have a face champion, the chase is over and people have less interest in them after that. It takes someone charismatic to be able to hold the title as a face and keep people intrigued.

I think Bryan should have been given a shot, and be able to build his fanbase and momentum. It can't do anything but help WWE. But WWE is set that a guy that's 5'9 at best and walking around looking like he lives in Montana is not what they want as their top guy alongside Cena. And last summer when he stood beside Rock in that ring at Raw 1000th, I can kinda see their point.
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134. "Yup, that's why he is worth so much more not being champ"
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I agree he should get his shot and it sucks for him that he may not ever be the man with the belt, but he is clearly the man of the company currently and has been for about a year. It really all started at Wrestlemania 29 so almost 2 years of becoming the man.

Right now the WWE knows how hot he is and he can't really get hotter, other than personal reasons of him deserving it there is virtually no reason to make him champ when he is doing so much for the company not being champ.

  

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140. "that's not why they won't run with him as champ though."
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They don't believe in him. Plain and simple.

The fact that he seems more over because he's constantly chasing the title is circumstantial. Sooner or later, people will give up on him like they have with Ziggler and the others.
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142. "I agree, just saying almost no reason to give it to him now"
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Until his popularity peaks and you can milk a little bit out of him by being champ.

I'm not saying WWE planned it this way, but it shook out this way and it makes more sense for them to keep making people mad by not giving him the belt.

  

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143. "I actually think he's going to win the Rumble and at Mania"
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I think they've been working towards that for a while actually. They're big on "moments" and they also aren't deaf. As far as crowd reactions go, there's Cena, there's Punk, there's Bryan, there's Orton, and then everyone else is far far away and there is no way the WWE doesn't know this.

I was listening to the Masked Man and Peter Rosenberg's podcast yesterday and they made a really good point; Bryan isn't just a TV star, he's a reality star now. He got engaged on TV, his wedding is going to be on TV, there's obviously an immense deal of value in him and they aren't ignorant to that at the WWE.

He'll get his time and it's near. They've wanted to get here all along it just got muddled for a few months. In all, I think we're going to look back on this last year as a really important one; Bryan's official arrival, The Shield, Langston, and the Wyatts all made impacts and Randy Orton re-arrived as a true main event star.

  

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144. "i have less and less faith in this everyday"
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i think that was the plan originally, but the fall PPV buyrates probably killed that idea. i don't think it was all his fault, and they should be the be all end all when it's in their best interest to build the next Cena, but it is what it is.

also their recent moves haven't shown much long-term thought. Bryan and Punk were thrown into programs with Shield/Wyatts because they had nothing else for them, and they're really wasn't a reason given or a resolution for either program. The Big Show seemingly forgot about HHH after he screwed him over (and still owns his house!!!). They've been changing their minds a lot recently, and i think they'll find something for bryan to do at WM that they'll say "yeah, that's good enough" and that'll be the end of it for now. they also would've given him a couple more moments of winning against the authority if they were committed to that.

i hope i'm wrong though.

  

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145. "man dbry aint winning shit."
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dbry is far and away the most over right now. i'm not holding my breath for the payoff he (and we) deserves though. they kill me trying to blame the buyrates on him instead of the quarter long run of garbage ass product they put on.
punk is probably the 2nd most over but i'm starting to not like seeing him. he must be injured or something (AJ draining all his energy) because his moveset has been sloppy as fuck lately.
cena having a good night if gets 60/40 cheers/boos. yeah his merch is selling but people are tired of seeing him.

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146. "yeah, punk is clearly hurt"
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>punk is probably the 2nd most over but i'm starting to not
>like seeing him. he must be injured or something (AJ draining
>all his energy) because his moveset has been sloppy as fuck
>lately.

and i think he's getting more and more weary of the business side of things (again).

  

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152. "RE: I actually think he's going to win the Rumble and at Mania"
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>I think they've been working towards that for a while
>actually. They're big on "moments" and they also aren't deaf.
>As far as crowd reactions go, there's Cena, there's Punk,
>there's Bryan, there's Orton, and then everyone else is far
>far away and there is no way the WWE doesn't know this.
>
>I was listening to the Masked Man and Peter Rosenberg's
>podcast yesterday and they made a really good point; Bryan
>isn't just a TV star, he's a reality star now. He got engaged
>on TV, his wedding is going to be on TV, there's obviously an
>immense deal of value in him and they aren't ignorant to that
>at the WWE.
>
>He'll get his time and it's near. They've wanted to get here
>all along it just got muddled for a few months. In all, I
>think we're going to look back on this last year as a really
>important one; Bryan's official arrival, The Shield, Langston,
>and the Wyatts all made impacts and Randy Orton re-arrived as
>a true main event star.


I agree with this....^^^^

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132. "That's irrelevant."
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The point wasn't who's more over. The point is how he's percieved by "The Authority".

And really, more people know of Jericho than Bryan, especially since he was one of the guys from the Attitude Era.
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125. "snuka kicked the HELL out of bella ...DAMN"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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130. "she ate that kick for real"
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http://i.imgur.com/HDLYvHF.png

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147. "Question: why don't they hold Orton accountable for bad numbers?"
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Survior Series tanked

http://rajah.com/node/38011

worst in 10 years.

Have we over-emphasized the early-Fall PPVs' numbers hurting BRyan.

  

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148. "because obviously dbry wasn't the right attraction."
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vince logic.

edit: real answer, they never hold Orton accountable for shit so why would they start now?

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149. "That's literally factually untrue. "
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150. "Read his post"
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151. "Why do you assume I didn't? "
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**edit: I forgot how much people hate Orton around here, not to mention HHH and anyone associated with him. It's popular on the internet to believe Orton has never been punished for any misdeed.

I'll let you cook on that since you're obviously in that camp if you saw my response and assumed there was no way I could have said that after reading the body of his post.

  

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153. "The face is supposed to be the draw in WWE."
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Not the heel.

In wrestling (at least 75% of the time), people are supposed to watch the show to see the face beat the heel. So if the numbers are bad, the blame is generally placed on the face not being able to draw enough interest into the feud.
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154. "Batista's back. Hide the fat girls (Crimmas Raw)"
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also Punk, Cena & Big E had a throwback promo. i think Cena found somebody's secret coke stash. they should do that more often.

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155. "That was wild"
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Did Cena say at one point that Big E was gonna "release the Langston"?

Match was nice too, it was great to see E get the hot tag there at the end.

  

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156. "I feel like Cena has been looser and having more fun while not champ"
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He has been champion very little over the past 2 years (a thing people seem to not admit when they talk about Cena always winning)

Granted he has still won his feuds, and often still been the main event which isn't his fault, but his not champion persona seems to be a more looser character who isn't afraid to try to win over some of the older male fans who dislike him.

Just something I've noticed as I've liked him more since his feud with the Rock and Punk being champ for 400+ days than I have at any other point in his career.

  

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157. "That promo was excellent. "
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It was just golden.

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158. "Cody Rhodes does a moonsault from the top of the cage:"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni3kgHn212k&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLqIVmFaHA8BoBQx9qX1C6vCwhybDLjC52

  

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159. "Every year I think it's his year"
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160. "he'll get his singles push once the rhodes break up"
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but I'm fine with them staying together for a while. I don't think they'll become boring anytime soon, so I think he can only benefit.

  

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161. "I was convinced it was coming after his long IC title reign"
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When he lost to Big Show at WM 28 I was convinced he was a real player to win the Rumble and go on to WM 29 to main event, instead he just fell back for 2 years into a bunch of tag team angles.

  

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179. "no he won't."
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Cody's in the same boat as Miz, Kofi, Barrett, etc. He's not going to get over, and the fans have stopped caring about him.
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162. "HOSS FIGHT!!!"
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163. "Nothing gets a feud going like one wrestler murdering the other"
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Especially when it is the wrestler who is clearly going to win the feud anyway.

Lesnar is great and Henry has his moments but I have little interest in watching them actually carry a PPV match vs each other.

The segment was still awesome though, Brock frightens the fuck out of me

  

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164. "Goddamn, Brock"
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That Lesner-Henry segment was crazy.

  

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165. "Been a really good Raw so far. "
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Was hoping that Bryan-Harper match would've gone on for hours.

  

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166. "Any combination of Bryan and the Wyatts works for me"
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One on any of them, one on two of them, one against all three, whatever it is, I really enjoy it. I mean, I guess Bryan and anybody is pretty great, but him and the Wyatts are really fun.

  

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167. "Huh?"
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168. "I mean I get it, but was that a real heel turn"
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Seemed so anti climatic which maybe was the point.

I'm guessing if he is a heel maybe we can get a CM punk feud, but just seems very strange, hard to believe that is really a heel turn and he won't be back as a face by Rumble.

  

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174. ""
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Because if they're not, 2013 will be remembered as the year WWE fumbled away its next big company-carrying star. Some of us saw this coming, though, and we're not surprised.

Seems to me this might be heading towards a Daniel Bryan vs. Bray Wyatt match at Mania, which, honestly, zzzzzzzzz.

And even the turn itself was kinda weird. I mean, for three months, Daniel Bryan didn't say much of anything about allegedly being screwed over by The Authority, and even more important, he won most of his matches (right?). Now all of a sudden, he's talking about how, no matter what he does, and no matter how loud the fans chant, "they" are never going to "let him win," and so he has no other choice... but to join Bray Wyatt's cult?

wat

A better build to this shit would have been to start from the point where Daniel Bryan had his in-ring confrontation with Shawn Michaels, when we saw a little of a "I'm pissed at the bullshit" reaction from Daniel that he should have had for the past 3 months. Then The Authority continues to stack the deck against him, causing loss after demoralizing loss. Then, finally, instead of having Daniel Bryan turn in the dumbest possible way by joining with Bray Wyatt, why not just have him "quit the business?" I know, I know, "yeah but that's been done already zzzzzz," etc, but if the idea is that he's turning because he's frustrated with fighting "the system," which is what he said last night, then the most logical reaction would be for him to quit the game altogether, is it not? Yes, I'm knee-jerking it, and no, I don't give a fuck. Even with whatever long-term idea they may have for this, it still smacks of a desperate, "We got nothing else for him" move.

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175. "yeah, there's definitely a missing piece here:"
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>
>And even the turn itself was kinda weird. I mean, for three
>months, Daniel Bryan didn't say much of anything about
>allegedly being screwed over by The Authority, and even more
>important, he won most of his matches (right?). Now all of a
>sudden, he's talking about how, no matter what he does, and no
>matter how loud the fans chant, "they" are never going to "let
>him win," and so he has no other choice... but to join Bray
>Wyatt's cult?

either the authority has to be anti-wyatts (and why wouldn't they be? they've done whatever they want for months now and that totally goes against what the authority stands for) or the wyatts have to have stated that they want to take over the wwe/authority (despite some really captivating promos, thus far they've been pretty aimless for a cult). that would give bryan reason to join them, whether it's for the long-term or not. still interested to see where they go with it though. and i (conditionally) disagree with you on how they did it. i thought giving in rather than fully committing made sense, even if it doesn't make his character look great, and that his hesitation suggests there will be more to the story than a straight heel turn.

  

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176. "I don't think there's any question he will be a babyface again shortly."
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For that reason, I suppose I can give Kreativeô a little leeway for his shaky-ass reasoning for joining up with the Wyatts

The only problem with that is that it (at least to me) suggests that he may be in cahoots with someone to bring down the Wyatt Family from the inside, which, again, wat

The turn was somewhat effective in that moment, and I'm kinda interested in where it goes (i.e., just how much they'll fuck it all up), but the groundwork for it should have been laid well in advance, which would have made it far more interesting, at least to me

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177. "The fact that he will be face shortly is what makes it dumb"
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They are giving him the Big Show treatment.

You want to turn him heel then fine, but dont make him face again at the Rumble which is what I'm expecting.

  

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169. "I'm not really sure where they go now"
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Which is really exciting. If nothing else, I thought that last segment was really nicely done and it's cool that Bryan seemingly has something to do now. I feel like there's multiple ways they could take this that would be fun.

  

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170. "agreed"
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I'm excited to see where they take it as well. If it's just a way for Bryan to get his revenge on Bray, I'm cool with it. If it's a way for Bryan to get his revenge on Hunter, I'm absolutely cool with that too.

  

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171. "they should double book shows more often."
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tonight was aight.

shit i liked:
- summer rae in that dress *banderas*
- the shield acting a damn fool during the punk/rollins match.
- bad news barrett coming up out of the floor.
- BROCK coming back and wrecking Mizzark. holy shit.
---- the "camera shake" when Brock put him through the wall
- aksana's skinemax porn theme music. i've never heard that shit before lmao.
- wyatt gauntlet was dope. luke harper is legit. the only reason i'm not mad at bryan joining the wyatts is because it's not like bryan was gonna be in the title picture anytime soon. wonder how creative will fuck this up.

punk v roman reigns next week!

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172. "You ever seen a crowd have its' heart broken before like that?"
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Like they took for granted that he would always be the resilient flying goat who said "YES" in the face adversity.

I feel like the Wyatt Family is starting to look like the Beach Boys at their most beardy.

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173. "So The Rock says the plan for WM 30 was him vs. Brock"
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He's conducting a Twitter Q & A

>Dwayne Johnson ‏@TheRock

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178. "that was well known."
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In fact they were supposed to do an angle on the Raw the next night, but he had all of those injuries and couldn't show.
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180. "Brock Lesnar Screaming.....fuck, i can stop right there"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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182. "shit was funny and frightening."
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181. "where does tensai go from here? ...home?"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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183. "They never should have brought that dude back. "
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He was just another cog in the Attitude Era machine and nothing special. They initially brought him in to feud with Cena, but that shit never happened. He really has no place in the promotion if you ask me. Between Brodus, Henry, Show, the Really Big Chubby Dude quota was already full when he got there.

  

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223. "You mean he should have never came back."
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I'm sure after main eventing a number of shows for New Japan Pro Wrestling and having good matches there the last thing he would have expected to do was come back to the WWE with a fake mustache and wearing wack jumpsuits.

Fact is, he got over in other places. But nobody gets over in WWE unless they get themselves over in spite of creative.
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226. "No, I meant exactly what I said and I had it right. "
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Unless, of course, you think he's some Brock, Rock, Austin, Hogan level star. You know, the kind of guy Vince is ALWAYS waiting to hear from so he can hot shot buys for the next PPV or spike ratings for a week.

Let's not act as if ALBERT, of all people, is the kind of guy who tells Vince " Don't call me, I'll call you." while Vince desperately tries to sell him on a return.

>I'm sure after main eventing a number of shows for New Japan
>Pro Wrestling and having good matches there the last thing he
>would have expected to do was come back to the WWE with a fake
>mustache and wearing wack jumpsuits.

And? What, you think they should push his ass to the top of the card because he had some success in Japan? Newsflash: Different shit works over there. Success there doesn't mean success here, and not just because of WWE creative.

>Fact is, he got over in other places. But nobody gets over in
>WWE unless they get themselves over in spite of creative.

I give two fucks where he got over. He's terrible. The "other places" you're talking about is pretty much just Japan, and there are such stark cultural differences in the fan reception of the business between here and there that it's ridiculous to cite it as an example to show creative dropping the ball.

  

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336. "Looks like NXT commentary"
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Shame, though. He CAN be a good mid-level big guy, and Sweet T is a little closer to some of his better moments as Albert.

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184. "Yes chant @ the Rose Bowl"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6zbrPmyvxA#t=45

and the postgame celebrations
http://i.minus.com/iFmww3XbEgJ4G.gif

dbry did that.

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185. "wow."
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I've watched very little TNA, but the fact that the Yes chant got going during AJ Style's promo is awesome (link below). Fuck WWE if they don't give him the title soon, seriously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-q-ijCVug

  

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186. "Why would they not edit that out"
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224. "They did it again during Tuesday's b-ball game vs. Ohio"
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I bleed Maize-and-Blue through and through but I can't front on this shit

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/michigan-state-daniel-bryan-yes-video/216129

Hunter and Vince and Steffy and nem better be paying attention, this shit's not ending any time soon, no matter how much they hate it

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187. "Pardon my ignorance"
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but what happened to the lawsuit between M.O.P and John Cena? Did M.O.P. lose? I ask because I notice M.O.P's little vocal sample is still in his entrance song.

  

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188. "I think they lost, or dropped the suit."
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I want to say I heard something like that a while back, but don't hold me to it.


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190. "i wonder how freddie foxx/bumpy knuck felt about it"
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191. "from what I remember..."
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... I think they settled out of court. Or in an interview they alluded that they got broke off something proper.

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189. "Shole wish I could find a free live stream of the Tokyo Dome show"
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193. "sorry dude."
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But the entire show is on YouTube. In fact, I'm about to watch the second half of it as I type this.
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194. "I still need to watch the last two matches"
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I got as far as Devitt/Ibushi and then I had to crash. It seemed like a solid show, what I saw of it, apart from the tag match with the Gracie brothers. I will never understand the Japanese infatuation with crossing worked wrestling with MMA.

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192. "Ladies and Gentlemen, introducing... Daniel Wyatt (link)"
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http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/442451-daniel-bryan-debuts-new-look

I swear to God, this better be leading somewhere dope

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195. "O SO NO POST ON THE RETURN OF JAKE THA MUTHAFUCKIN' SNAKE?"
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Best part of that segment was Ambrose's mile-wide grin when Jake put "Damien" on him

And I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow that that wasn't a smile, Ambrose had gas or some shit, but let us enjoy the moment, dammit

But if it were a smile, then the sad part is that it'll be used to justify jobbing Dean Ambrose out for the rest of the year, because that's the kind of silly shit this company does now

Man, I'm still HOT over this Daniel Wyatt shit

I ain't watch the rest

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198. ""PG Jake, PG" is the best thing I've ever heard on wrestling"
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Someone reminding Jake to keep it PG as he was using the snake on Ambrose

  

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204. "^^^^ ....best thing about it was how HEALTHY jake looked"
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DDP doin' work.

  

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225. "WWE seriously needs to hire DDP to be their rehab specialist "
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And he needs a reality show STAT, but only if he can maintain control. Apparently he's had offers but he doesn't get the sort of control he'd need to do it correctly.

  

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196. "Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks. "
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They're proof most fans are fucking idiots. Everything about those two is and was garbage. Brian Christopher is fucking awful at everything, but he's exactly what his old man would be had he come up in the 90's so considering how much Lawler is considered legit wrestling royalty in some corners of the wrestling world it's no surprise people would gravitate to his equally shitty kid.

Scotty 2 Hotty is arguably worse than BC.

Easily the group I hate the absolute most in all of wrestling, and on the short list of wrestlers that make me hate the fans who like them.

  

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197. "^doesn't look fly 2day."
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*worms right on by this post*

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199. "they do sort of blow but Lawler was a god cmon"
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200. "RE: Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks. "
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>They're proof most fans are fucking idiots. Everything about
>those two is and was garbage. Brian Christopher is fucking
>awful at everything, but he's exactly what his old man would
>be had he come up in the 90's so considering how much Lawler
>is considered legit wrestling royalty in some corners of the
>wrestling world it's no surprise people would gravitate to his
>equally shitty kid.
>
>Scotty 2 Hotty is arguably worse than BC.
>
>Easily the group I hate the absolute most in all of wrestling,
>and on the short list of wrestlers that make me hate the fans
>who like them.


They were indeed a joke...

But chill with that J. Lawler shade...

That dude was killing shit when professional wrestling was RASTLIN' .......

Lawler is respected by wrestling purists for a reason...Don't let his jokey-joke image today fool u, homie...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

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215. "Nope. Lawler is wack and always has been."
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I like WrassliníÖ when itís done right. You know who was a great Wrassler? Barry Windham. Dusty Rhodes. HellÖ. Dustin Rhodes. Ric Flair was a Wrassler until his very last match for cryin out loud. Arn Anderson. Tommy Rich. Bobby Eaton. The Funk brothers. Those were fucking amazing Wrasslers. Thatís how you entertain with Wrasslin. Give me an Armstrong or a Von Erich any day.

Lawler was always garbage. Always. He got over because he did some lowbrow bullshit rednecks hoot and holler over. Moves, ring gear, gimmick, everything. I donít care what dude does now. I watched USWA back in the day. I remember being confused as hell as a kid when he feuded with Bret, because he was clearly not in Bretís class on any level.

>Lawler is respected by wrestling purists for a reason...Don't
>let his jokey-joke image today fool u, homie...

ZZZzzzzzzz.


Look, dude made his name in a big way. He got about as big as anyone could get under the territory system. He built himself into a legend. I can never take that away from him, and donít want to. That said, I consider him to be the most basic, simple, and primitive form of pro wrestler imaginable.

Some people can become incredible successes through selling incredible mediocrity. How many terrible pop stars have been created? How many times have we seen forms of artistry where woefully mediocre, marginal talents achieve great success? Am I to believe Miley Cyrus to be some bastion of musical creativity because she sells? Is J.Lo somehow a phenomenal singer? Is the Transformers series an example of great film making because of its incredible success? Sometimes, becoming a star is as a fluke- just being the right guy in the right place at the time in front of the right people.

  

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201. "They're fun."
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203. "man it'd been so long that i had to wikipedia brian chistopher"
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didn't realize they actually had a run together as "too cool"

i always remember christopher as early attitude-era midcarder, whose gimmick consisted of being nothing more than a giggling douche, while his old man put him over on commentary.

  

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205. "I thought Scotty looked pretty good last night"
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Yeah, the Worm is fucking ridiculous. But he made McIntyre look like a boss for a good portion of that match, and looked like he's maintained himself pretty well. I wouldn't be mad at him coming back to put over c-level talent on their way up, or to team with someone that's trying to find their way on the A-show.

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207. "I think you're being a bit harsh"
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

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216. "Nah it's pretty spot on. If anything, I'm being too forgiving."
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220. "RE: Goddamn Too Cool fucking sucks. "
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I'm with you all the way on BC, but Lawler?

Nah.

And it might be biased, let me preface this now.

I grew up watching Lawler feud with Flair, Savage, The Hulk Machine, Hennig, Zbyszko, Nick Bockwinkel, and Blanchard and Anderson came down for matches with him and Idol. I saw some classic shit. Yeah, USWA was that redneck whatever you're talking about, but the stuff that came before that? Yeah, I saw all that. Lawler is no technical wrestler by any standard and people like to talk about his physique not being "wrestler-like". The low brow shit came when Vince came around and used them as a minor league. Even I really couldn't get into it (although it was cool to see The Rock and Kurt Angle around town). Yeah, in no way shape or form was it cool for him to feud with Bret or anyone in the WWF at that time. He wasn't in their league and he was starting on his downturn, and was more in booking at that time. So I'm with you on that. Even the matches here in Memphis sucked. If you're judging Lawler by that, ok I respect your opinion there. But mid 70's to mid 80's Lawler was great. But like I said it could just be me being biased.

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202. "Apparently Ryback hurt Ziggler last night."
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Concussed him with a clothesline in a dark match.

SMH. Fuckin' Ryback.

  

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206. "fuck ryback"
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208. "it happens"
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210. "seems to happen a lot with him though"
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211. "everybody gets injured. a clothesline is just as much the "
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responsibility of the receiver as the giver to protect themselves

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212. "by all accounts ryback works pretty stiff"
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dangerous combo with a guy who (over)sells like ziggler does.

i wonder who overdid what.

  

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213. "yeah, even cena called him out on it once allegedly"
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and he never calls people out.

  

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221. "Cena does all the time, just not publicly."
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I know he (helped to) get Ken Anderson fired and one other guy but I forgot who it is at the moment.

But stiffing Cena will get you in hot water with the quickness. Especially with his body breaking down as it is because he doesn't know how to properly take bumps.
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214. "on another note. ..hot spot angles with brock usually equals"
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someone bleeding lol.... except with the boss.....then brock bled haha

i bet big show was like...oh hell, he better not do me like mayweather!


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209. "Dean Ambrose is winning, a bionic elbow AND the snake??!"
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no wonder he was smiling.

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219. "^^^^^^"
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217. "holy shit, I'M GOING TO THE ROYAL RUMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my boy in Pittsburgh is a teacher, got a MAJOR hookup from a student's parent and we got a SUITE! Gonna be like 20 of us!!!!!!!!

  

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218. "Dope"
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That's one of the things on my bucket list.

Have fun.

  

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222. "Nice, I'll be there too. But not in a suite"
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227. "Anyone planning on watching them announce the network tonight?"
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229. "I plan on it..."
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only because I am staying for my frat's centennial countdown...

gives me something to do...

  

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228. "no more Kaitlyn"
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Big E needs a new instagram partner.

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230. "E's a whole lot of fun on social media"
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Hopefully he's gets to show that personality at some point.

Can't blame Kaitlyn for wanting to move on to something else, they weren't exactly giving her much to do of late.

  

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231. "$10 a month gets you every PPV streaming for free???"
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well damn they got me then didn't they?

I've gotta hand it to em, this WWE Network really does look like something else. Hopefully they can avoid a healthcare.gov situation at the onset because I have a feeling that PPV deal is going to bring a butt ton of customers early at launch.

  

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233. "Yea, if they can handle all that PPV traffic, I'm definitely in"
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234. "Vinny Mac took a dump truck shit on Dana White & UFC business."
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235. "no he didn't."
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While it was a smart move to make fans get a six month commitment, the profit more or less will still be the same. And the scenarios are still the same. UFC Fight Pass is not a make-or-break venture with Zuffa. WWE Network IS a make-or-break venture with WWE.

UFC only needs 100,000 subscribers to break even. WWE is looking for one million. UFC will still have their biggest shows on PPV, Fox Sports and Fox Network. Only thing they're showing live on Fight Pass is their non-televised shows internationally.

WWE is now putting ALL of their PPVs on the WWE Network including WrestleMania, which now means 1. they're going to lose crucial PPV revenue, and $50/mth each is > $9.99/mth. 2. They're now going to REALLY have to depend on getting a significant increase in rights fees for Raw and other shows that are coming up to be renegotiated in case the Network doesn't pull it's own weight.

If FightPass doesn't work, UFC really doesn't care. They have a long-term deal worth nine figures with Fox to televise its programming (although they do have some issues with ratings and creating stars themselves), and they don't have to worry about streaming networks. But WWE has put their chips in on this venture, and if it doesn't bring in the kind of numbers they anticipate to justify it, it's going to really hurt them both in the stock market and in regards to making a profit.
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236. "I think they're being proactive if nothing else"
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With the exception of the recent PPVs to feature the Rock in the main events, year-to-year buy rates are all down when comparing 2012 events to 2013. In truth, Rock is an outlier talent, the kind that doesn't grow on trees and that they can't rely on exclusively to power their PPV business. Here they're acknowledging that, investing in the long term, and essentially hedging their bets for the majority of their PPVs. Maybe they just see the writing is on the wall and that unless wrestling goes through another boom comparable to 99- unlikely- they're ultimately safer getting guaranteed money for every event rather than waiting on the next megastar who could be responsible for dramatic increases in buy rates.

  

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237. "but that's their own fault."
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WWE has been their own worst enemy in creating their own stars.

I'm not saying any of the guys that have come down the pike in the last 13 years would have been another Rock or Austin, but at the same time they could have had a base of talent that could have kept them out of the ratings doldrums that they are in now and maintained some of their viewership.

Even then, they're still going to have to do it with the WWE Network anyway, because the main lure to this streaming service is the original programming and PPVs. So it doesn't matter what they do; if they don't create new stars - especially with Cena and others in the shape they're in - it isn't going to work.

  

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238. "they have, but i think this helps them build the next star"
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>WWE has been their own worst enemy in creating their own
>stars.

they seem to live and die by each PPV buyrate, which i can't totally blame them for, but it does create more issues than it solves. in the case of bryan's push getting curtailed because of buyrates it should be pretty obvious to them it's not all his fault, that creative/too many PPVs was the main issue, and that if they want to build the next top star they'll have to suffer some lower buyrates at first. but now that they're not relying on each PPV to have a massive buyrate they can afford to take a few more risks with newer guys rather than rush Cena back and have him headline everything until he retires.

  

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240. "it's incredible"
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>WWE is now putting ALL of their PPVs on the WWE Network
>including WrestleMania, which now means 1. they're going to
>lose crucial PPV revenue, and $50/mth each is > $9.99/mth. 2.
>They're now going to REALLY have to depend on getting a
>significant increase in rights fees for Raw and other shows
>that are coming up to be renegotiated in case the Network
>doesn't pull it's own weight.
>

WWE's stock is up 100% over the past four quarters, despite badly missing earnings estimates on three of those. it's trading at a P/E of 104! what is this, a high-beta tech stock?

i have no idea how they expect to improve already-eroded gross margins with a $9.99 price point. they're really gonna need to hit a home run with this... otherwise look out below.

  

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242. "That's probably why Stephanie's been dumping stock."
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I know she did it twice in the last few months. Some made an excuse about she needed it to have loose cash on hand for personal financial reasons, but I call bullshit on that one. She knows the ride will be over, and once it is, people are gonna go broke. She doesn't want to be one of them.

If they don't get that rights fees double for Raw AND break close to even on the WWE Network - which I see that as damn near impossible to do - then WWE is fucked for this year. That stock will plummet and that's gonna result in a number of WWE Corporate jobs being cut. Word is they hired a shit load of people just for that Network in and of itself.
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243. "Now, I'm not saying the idea will for sure succeed..."
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but this offering is *extremely* competitively priced and I (personally) expect it to do well. The six month commitment is minor since it includes Mania and the hope is that folks will stick around permanently.

A million persistent subscribers to break even seems to be a fairly lofty goal, but with time (and obviously a good product) I think it's very attainable. Considering that both of the prior Mania's each cracked a million buys, it's not unreasonable to think that, for at least the first six months they *should* be able to match those numbers.

Will that sustain to overcome the loss of revenue from the individual PPV sales? That's a different story, and is heavily dependent on how strong the product is.

But this isn't a business model with the short term in mind. I would venture it will take at least 12-18 months to honestly assess the success of the service. There will be the initial spike of the die hards, then the dip before the major spike before WrestleMania, then lulls punctuated by smaller spikes before the other PPV's. I think the number to watch will be the delta in subs after the WrestleMania glow wears off.

But what's particularly notable about the network is that mainstream media already has its eyes on it as a potential disruption to the cable channel model. Remember when it was originally rumored to be tied to the cable carriers? That's obviously not the case now and WWE is taking a big (and, to me, a potentially very high-reward) risk in going "all-in" with the internet distribution model.

What's even more notable is that WWE now has the unusual position of having revenue streams in both cable and digital distribution. HBO's getting flack for not jumping into (true) digital distribution while Netflix is working to get into cable distribution before their licensing deals get even more expensive. If the product remains good (IMO the biggest "if"), then WWE can leverage each channels to serve the other. Other than sports leagues and the major networks (like hulu), I'm struggling to think of another specialized content provider with this sort of position.

Why am I optimistic on the service though? It's been proven time and time again that if people are given cheap, easily distributed, LEGAL options for content, then they WILL pay for it. There were rumors that Mania was going to get split out from the service but the fact that they're including it (and other things fans have clamored for like Benoit footage) shows that WWE is really dedicated to making the service as consumer-friendly as they possibly can.

Now.... if only we can be so sure the product itself is good..

  

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Flash80
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244. "looks like she's been busy"
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Fri Jan-10-14 11:52 AM by Flash80

          

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=WWE+Insider+Transactions

speculators pumped it, now she's dumped it.

edit: though it looks like a lot are "automatic sells", so she/her broker probably had limit orders locked in at a certain price during the ride up... per a 10b5-1 plan.

  

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pretentious username
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245. "i wouldn't read much into that, she said they're building a house"
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Fri Jan-10-14 11:46 AM by pretentious username

  

          

>I know she did it twice in the last few months. Some made an
>excuse about she needed it to have loose cash on hand for
>personal financial reasons, but I call bullshit on that one.
>She knows the ride will be over, and once it is, people are
>gonna go broke. She doesn't want to be one of them.
>

and supposedly she only sold a third of her shares.

edit: that was as of october. per flash's post she's definitely sold more since then.

  

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232. "Quick deets on the network (that Meltzer knew a few weeks back, btw)"
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Wed Jan-08-14 11:15 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

wrestlingobserver.com:

- The network will be $9.99/month with a six-month commitment. Fans can sign up for a one-week free trial starting on Feb. 24th at 9 AM EST. It officially launches with the RAW post-show at 11:05 PM EST that night.

- All 12 WWE pay-per-views will move to the network, starting with Wrestlemania 30.

- All past WWE, WCW, and ECW pay-per-views will be available on-demand.

- The network will feature original shows like Legend House (reality show featuring retired wrestlers), Wrestlemania Rewind (looking back at specific matches), Countdown (a rankings/list-style show), Monday Night War: WWE vs. WCW, and more. Legends House begins in April.

- NXT and Superstars will be on the network.

- 30-minute pre and post shows for RAW and Smackdown will be part of the network, and a daily live studio show will also launch.

- In total, over 1500 hours of video on demand will be available at launch, including encore airings of RAW, Smackdown, and Main Events. Classic matches "uncut and uncensored" will also be available.

- The network will be available on all devices like PS3, Xbox 360, Roku, smartphones, desktops, laptops, and more. Coming soon: Xbox One, select smart TVs and more.

- Using the WWE app, fans will have access to a second screen experience for live events and original shows.

- MLB Advanced Media will help power the network, including video stream infrastructure, app development and operational support.

- The network will not immediately be available around the world, and is scheduled to launch in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong and the Nordics by the end of 2014 to early 2015.

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