I think it's time for a new one. Let the other one die.

So far for Survivor Series:

World Heavyweight Championship - The Prototype (c) vs. Dos Caras Jr.
World Wrestling Entertainment Championship: Randall Orton (c) vs. Son of Andre
Chick Magnet Punk & American Dragon vs. Broadie Lee & Thoruf (Smackdown spoiler)

Also, New Japan's Wrestle Kingdom 8 show at the Tokyo Dome on January 4th (so far):

IWGP Championship: Kazuchika Okada (c) vs. Tetsuya Naito

IWGP Intercontinental Championship: Shinsuke Nakamura (c) vs. Hiroshi Tanahashi

IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Championship: Prince Devitt (c) vs. Kota Ibushi

IWGP Jr. Heavyweight Tag Team Championship: The Young Bucks (Matt & Nick Jackson) vs. Forever Hooligans (Alex Koslov & Rocky Romero) vs. Time Splitters (Alex Shelley & Kushida) vs. Suzukigun (Taichi & TAKA Michinoku)

Daniel & Rolles Gracie vs. Kazushi Sakuraba & Yuji Nagata
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they can't sell me on a Punk/Bryan vs weedcarrier Wyatts though. it should be a 2 on 3.

6 on 6 with Bryan/Punk/Golddust/Cody/Usos vs. Shield/Wyatts.

I guess that made too much sense though.
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Oh, and I'm way intrigued by Ibushi vs. Devitt.

but my god; there have been so many New Japan PPV matches that would be the MOTY any other year this year that it hasn't even been funny.

But it's gonna be epic. And probably the show stealer. The only way they could make it better is if they somehow put Ricochet in there and make it a three-way for the title.

But Devitt's had it long enough, and it's time he became a real threat to the IWGP Title in the upcoming year vs. Okada.
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i expected 3mb to start winning sooner or later.




"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

so much that the fans would start getting behind them. like mickey whipwreck...or when jim duggan was in wcw.

he was a trashman, vince told him, these people don't care if you live or die. a pretty good promo by russo. and then duggan come out to the ring, and people cheered like hell for him again

or maybe tommy dreamer when dude could NEVER pin raven....and the crowd is like ...one day he HAS to finally beat this dude.

i could see that with 3mb...they are the quintessential (c) joel gertner underdogs

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

There's nothing about him to get behind. These guys are bland and there's no story to their booking that would make anyone care.

Dreamer losing to Raven time and again worked because due to a personal and relatable angle dating back to their childhood and the addition of Beulah put it over the top.

Whipwreck gave you his all in the ring and could actually put on a show bumping like crazy.

Duggan had a past as a lovable character in the WWE, along with a classic patriot gimmick that’s a cheap but –oh-so-effective over anytime it’s used, especially to the core WCW fan base.
A guy like, say, the Lightning Kid got over by beating a hated villain who badly overpowered and outmatched him.
There was an underdog story being told in those programs that everyone could relate to.

3MB are obnoxious assholes with a leader who takes his promo cues from the worst, most clichéd elements of USWA Wrasslin’ style mic work, while Drew has ZERO personality.

So, there’s no story being told other than they keep losing, they aren’t being bullied by a persistent and sadistic antagonist, they have no charisma and weak mic skills, and none of them are particularly exciting to watch wrestle.

Guys like Jeff Hardy or John Morrison got over in a big way by being entertaining as hell in the ring despite being limited in the promo department.

Without a story, a personality, or an in ring style to get behind, how and why would they develop a following simply by losing? I’m not saying it can’t or won’t happen, but I personally don’t see it.

it's like two guys guys got totally ripped form their gimmick and smashed into one guy's gimmick.

wasn't jinder sposed to be khali's brother?
and damn. look how far the chosen one has fallen

2. i'm kinda rooting for them because...the three dudes got a raw deal. whomever made them a team, just lazily did it.

maybe it's just me, i keep expecting them to turn that corner. i can't be other only guy that sees that these guys are being FORCED into being a buffoon.

i mean kinda like the job squad....people started pulling for them...just a little

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Kudos to whoever is running this account, as it makes me giggle a whole bunch.

https://twitter.com/WWEUniverse/status/402657413805113344

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

I notice you talk a lot about Japanese wrestling, where do you watch their shows? Also, do they follow storylines and promos like American wrestling, and if so, are the shows you watch subtitled so you can follow the action? I always wondered if they had storylines or if it was all about the in ring action over there....



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Some of us gon' end up hot.....

I made mention of Wrestle Kingdom because it's New Japan's version of WrestleMania. They have it on January 4th every year and it's at the Tokyo Dome. I can't watch all of their stuff because their PPVs alone generally run about 4 hours plus. As much as I love to watch their stuff, I still watch WWE more because it's easier for me to get my hands on and doesn't last that long.

But they do have a weekly show. Once they got off of the whole MMA kick (well as the Gracies vs. Sakuraba tag team match shows, they haven't gotten completely off of it) from the early 2000s they have gotten back to more modern storylines, stables (there are probably four stables in New Japan right now), and the characters are really good. In fact, I think they do a much better job building gimmicks and characters overall than WWE does. Only John Cena has more charisma than Hiroshi Tanahashi in WWE. There is no better gimmick than Nakamura's 80s stoned rocker gimmick, and there is no better in-ring heel in all of wrestling than Minoru Suzuki.

And the crazy thing is, there isn't any subtitles or English broadcasters (not yet; they've considered it). Yet it's not hard to understand most of what goes on. I follow a couple of puroresu websites (along with F4W/WON) for the intricate details, but you can follow the feuds pretty well without them. Besides, you need a Jim Ross or someone like that to come in and really dedicate themselves to become a part of the show in order for it to be a plus.

They started doing iPPVs about a couple of years ago, and they are by far the most successful at it. Last year's Wrestle Kingdom sold over 100,000 buys; before that I don't think anyone had done over 25,000 in wrestling, especially in Japan where they're used to big wrestling shows being televised on free tv.
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ESPN is working on a 30 for 30 piece on the Von Erich family. The plan is for the piece to air sometime in January 2014. Kevin Von Erich will be interviewed for the piece and they will be traveling to Hawaii to film him at his home.

will be entertaining and quite sad....

yeah, I schooled a young fan on the Von Erichs last week at this Comic convention. Jim Cornette was there and I struck up a conversation about it with him and this guy said he saw the look on Cornette's face and knew it was a tragedy. I told him when this airs, it would be wise for him to check it out.

guest stars: Florida Georgia Line.

Can't wait to see who they blame the low ppv numbers on this time.

Hopefully they'll give him his five count and some promo time going forward.

straight outta Angel Grove.

edit: they gotta throw that Gail Kim finisher in the bushes though. i never liked that.

Not my favorite guy in the world, but at least it isn't Corey Graves or CJ Parker.

- everything up to the Big E match was garbage.
- Big E got that strap off bum ass Curtis Axel. Axel's bound for the bushes, E's bound for the stars. Play this push right and they might be able to bring some credibility back to the IC belt in the process. Memphis gave him a huge reaction too.
- that divas musical chairs bullshit was the only good theme-related thing. there's just so much talent in the divas division. special props to kaitlyn https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BZZ5HVPCIAEFoZA.jpg
- Ryback looks like the Big Show's mini me. decent match considering the participants.
- Real Americans vs Static Kofi/Miz. Miz w/ a bitch nigga move not tagging Kofi.
- Ziggler vs Sandow aka The Broadway Brawl aka The Battle of the Buried. wow this ran way longer than i would've expected but Ziggler made the ending hot.
- Cena: "Hey guys, I'm really hurt. ADR still can't get over on me though."
- Truth & Consequences vs Rhinestone Cowboys. Xavier Woods should do well in the midcard.
- 6 v 6 main event. two things. one, is it me or has Punk's offense been VERY sloppy lately. two, i thought Mysterio's knees were grinded to dust.

aka the drunken ex-Chargers team doctor. Twenty years of matches made worse by shoddy doctoring.

and I don't know what it is. I know JR was pretty vocal about Ryback being green, but still there's been guys way greener who they pushed to the moon (Sheamus early on, Khali etc)

I just can't figure out why they drove Ryback into the ground or what their motive is/was.

From Ryback we arrive at Big E and Roman Reigns. I'm excited to see what comes of these guys. Last night was pretty telling - Langston winning and looking good doing so, and Reigns speaking for the Shield in their backstage segment with Orton right after Langston's match.

The WWE is dying for their next Batista/Cena type and Reigns and Langston fit those molds perfectly. But the question remains, why don't they think Ryback fits the mold too?

The thought is, if you job him out as a heel, then he can be "rebuilt" when they turn him face

Until they resume booking him to lose in big matches, that is

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>- everything up to the Big E match was garbage.
>- Big E got that strap off bum ass Curtis Axel. Axel's bound
>for the bushes, E's bound for the stars. Play this push right
>and they might be able to bring some credibility back to the
>IC belt in the process. Memphis gave him a huge reaction too.

That shit's great. Just put him in a few matches against 3MB/Santino-level dudes so he can crush them and use the five count on Raw a few times so the fans can get used to it.

After the match, E hits the guy again with his finisher and pins him for five seconds, while the crowd counts along.

It's pretty enjoyable, and the fact that he was able to get away with doing it as a babyface in NXT was impressive. Plus, it gives the crowd something to chant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBMb4EotUU0

Because that's a fantastic gimmick.

Good exhibit of his strength, and I see it as a combo of an RKO and a powerslam. Plus he's starting to get a big pop when he drops the straps. It's something different from "random powerbomb variation" at the very least.

Any match with Punk and Bryan is always great... Their Survivor Series match with the Wyatt family will be great!

i'm not even a huge fan of the dude like that but that's one of the better docs i've seen from WWE home video. i wish the netflix version had all the extras but i guess i'll have to track that down online. but i would've gladly sat through another hour of it for them to just expand on some of the things it showed about.

So many great spears already and it's not over yet. That Cross Rhodes/tag sequence was pretty cool and Rollins flying curb stomp or whatever you call it was nuts. The slow-mo of it looked great too.

that ambrose elimination was wack though. so was cesaro's.

dope match though.

and, he's still using that 'big ending' finisher?

Epic hoss fight potential.


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I was trying to think of who I'd like to see Big E feud with for the belt, and Reigns is definitely up there. Cesaro would be fun also, but Reigns-Big E should happen soon. Or at least I hope it does.

Awesome to have him back.

And I quite enjoyed some dude in the crowd chanting "Incognito" at Ryback. Well done, sir.

So happy

wigs were split. ass was kicked.

http://i.imgur.com/A3b4USi.jpg

right on the main camera too. gotta love it.

and it deserves it all and more.

I don't usually care for "boring" chants, but I can't say I was totally into that main event either. Earlier in the night the crowd bothered me with those "you can't wrestle" chants during the intercontinental match, which I thought was solid, but I was pretty much right there with their reaction to the main event.

anybody???

didn't think so.

and this PPV was going so well until the main event too.

edit: i mean goddamn the people want Bryan and Punk as the focus, not Cena and Orton. the reactions do not lie. would it kill them to give us what we want???

Yeah, Orton and Show can take that mess. They have to do Orton vs. Cena because Orton is the only guy people will root for Cena to beat.

I don't even hate Cena but I'm tired of his whole deal. Surely they are not building up to a Cena/Orton belt-off at Mania.

plus there's the Rumble winner to contend with in the title picture as well. I'm somewhat confident that Bryan and/or Punk will make their way back to the title picture in time for Wrestlemania.

or at least don't have a bunch of PPVs before this so there can be some build up. Some highlights here and there, kinda boring in the middle, and the ending was horrendous. At least they finally moved some storylines along though.

Miz vs. Kofi was pretty entertaining, though it's weird to lose on the millionth roll-up of the match.

Rhodes, Usos, Rey vs. Shield and Real Americans was the highlight of the night. Kinda wish the good guys got in a little more offense, but that's a very minor complaint. Reigns' domination was a great story. And this match provided another reason for Reigns to give Ambrose the stink eye, which I've been loving. Have they shown Rollins' finisher before? That was great.

Big E vs. Axel was good, if forgettable. Not convinced Big E is worth the push he's gonna get just yet, but the pandering thing was pretty funny. I hope they emphasize his humor.

Divas match was alright, but those single move eliminations looked pretty silly. I'm still pissed it was one of the only two survivor series matches (and that those matches were done in the first half of the PPV). For a second I thought JoJo was gonna pull it out... Damn.

Henry-Ryback was fine for a short match, but that's 3 pretty unspectacular matches in a row. Glad to see Henry back though. And I always like seeing Ryback lose.

Cena-ADR: Oh look! Cena overcame the odds again!

Punk/Bryan vs. Wyatts was good. Woulda made more sense for the Wyatts to win, but this rivalry could have some legs.

Orton/Big Show: Everyone knew this was gonna be boring, and it was even more boring than I could have possibly imagined. Sloppy as hell too. Fuck this whole match.

But a tease at unification is okay in my book. Long overdue.

some observations

- so the authoritah made a cena/orton unification ladder match for TLC. woooooooo! it's funny how little the audience cared about a title match "11 years in the making" lol.

- speaking of the title picture, they're just gonna trade belts.

- there's a good storyline in a mizzark/langston "world's strongest team" thing but the wwe would never do it. langston is on some mini-me shit next to him. axel was out of his weight class in that matchup. match was cool though.

- divas survivor series rematch. because they forgot that nikki bella never actually got eliminated.

- ziggler/sandow get another stupid fucking match and made the best of it. a "hamptons" hardcore match.

- IWC megapowers vs wyatts was nice. 2 nights in a row that the show has fell off a fucking cliff after the punk/bryan portion. both in quality and in audience reaction. wonder how the WWE responds to this?

- curious to see what will come of the wyatt/bryan abduction. if this were the attitude era the potential for fuckery would be limitless.

- xavier woods direction: "hey broadus isn't on the show tonight so we need you to go be black in his place."

- foley in characters doing the merch table was good stuff.

- main event was funny just for seeing ADR, show & orton coming out to silence and cena begging the audience hulk hogan style for some positive reaction. the actual match sucked.

at least mania prep season isn't too far off.

>- xavier woods direction: "hey broadus isn't on the show
>tonight so we need you to go be black in his place."

Started w/ Rhodes vs Shield for the tag belts. Ambrose on commentary dropping absolute gold. Evolved into a 6v6.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeFy04hNcM

The funeral for Aces & Eights, hosted by Mr. Anderson.

One of the best non-wrestling wrestling segments I've seen all year. Anderson pokes his head out of the coffin and you think this is gonna be corny like usual. Nope. A rare home run by TNA.

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKeFy04hNcM
>
>The funeral for Aces & Eights, hosted by Mr. Anderson.
>
>One of the best non-wrestling wrestling segments I've seen all
>year. Anderson pokes his head out of the coffin and you think
>this is gonna be corny like usual. Nope. A rare home run by
>TNA.

Haha! I want to like that show so much since it is wrestling. A little good comedy goes a long way. I took TNA off of my DVR list around summertime. I'd turn to it if I was home and you awreddy know that I'd see Aces doing something and turn away. I'd also see MEM back and Styles still acting broken up with a scruff beard.

Kurt Angle looks scary bad, but hopefully he's on the way up.

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http://www.lordsofpain.net/news/wwe/Ultimate_Warrior_Interview_-_Addresses_The_WWE_Hall_of_Fame_Whether_He_Would_Wrestle_Again.html

Promoting the release of WWE 2K14, Ultimate Warrior addressed a series of WWE-related topics in an interview with DigitalSpy.com, including the possibility of being inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame.

"The simple answer is they've got to tell the right story. That's a possibility. Being in the Hall of Fame - Ultimate Warrior being inducted into the Hall of Fame, or me standing there at the Hall of Fame participating in it - is not going to mean anything to my goals in my life and the kind of quality of life I'm going to have, what kind of things I'm going to do, how productive I'm going to be as I move on throughout my life," remarked Warrior.

"I only get this one life, so I'm not going to sit in my own pile of poop and feel sorry that I'm not in the Hall of Fame. The Ultimate Warrior character relative to professional wrestling or WWE, he's definitely a Hall of Famer. He's a Hall of Famer whether he gets into the Hall of Fame or not."

Warrior does not watch WWE programming, but says with the internet, "it's impossible not to be aware of some of the top talent." The former WWE Champion, however, reiterates that he will not return to the ring to face a premiere WWE Superstar.

"I'm one of the first guys in recent years that's gone on the record and said to all my colleagues that were in the business at the same time I was that it's time to pack your f**king gear bag and go home. Let the other guys have their chance and get your nose out of their business," remarked Warrior.

"People will say Ryback - 'What would Warrior have been like with Ryback?' Or Goldberg. I know why they say those things - because of the intensity and body look, the aggression, the power. Those kind of matches tend to be f**king stinkers, you know? You want to work with somebody who's got a different style. Wrestling is more than just being big."

"Even when I was on the road and we traveled all over the world, I met so many big, huge guys, great-looking guys, guys that looked like they were carved out of stone. They thought that they could be in the business if they were just given a chance or devoted some time to doing it or learnt the basic moves. It takes much more than that. It takes more than a body or a physique to make it happen."

Warrior says his toughest opponent was former rival "Macho Man" Randy Savage: "The toughest for me was the one that brought the best out of me, out of my character. That's different from 'Who's the toughest guy, who's the most badass opponent I ever faced?'.

"The toughest opponent for me would have been Randy Savage, the Macho Man, because his intensity paralleled mine. He became totally caught up in his character, which was a requisite to success in the business at the time."
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Nigga might go

Let's hope that the product will be less shiteous than it is now

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AND AT THE HALL OF FAME!



AND AT RAW!!!!!!!



I'M SO FUCKIN EXCITED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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John Cena standing with the Authority...they turning him heel?? finally? is it even possible??

Even with all of their shitty decisions of the last 4 months, they wouldn't turn Cena heel on a comedy edition of Raw

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I feel bad for Orton, no matter how hard he tries, crowd always yells "boring". Cena gets booed hard by the crowd but then wins them over..but the best part was at the end, when the whole arena was HOT for DB, hometown or not, WWE better put this guy back in the main event picture

first off, last week was another terrible Raw with a wack ending.

now to this week. since this is the longest i have consistently watched wrestling since...06, this is the first time i've ever even heard of the slammys. so i was rather interested to see what exactly it is. they really run this shit like an award show lol.

- Bryan vs Fandango. good opener, got the hometown crowd hot. i wouldn't have minded if they let it go another 5 mins. more Wyatts/Bryan teasing in a post-match promo.
- Santino vs Sandow (feat. Big E on commentary). nothing special. more setup for Big E/Sandow at TLC after the match.
- I consider HBKs Doublecross award of the Lifetime Achievement variety.
- Kofi vs Miz. this feud would really benefit some backstage fuckery.
- Diva of the Year: Bella Twins. Deserved winners. AJ stans wept and vehemently booed. Eve Torres got even hotter since leaving.
- Show/Rey/Rhodes vs Rybaxel/Real Americans. The Rey/Cody tag combo at the end was nice.
- Superstar of the Year: D-Bry. Go Seahawks!
- Sin Hunico vs ADR. only thing of note here is that Hunico gave ADR a concussion. the Sin Cara character is clearly cursed. i dug the theater lighting too.
- Broadus vs Xavier. I guess Broadus was really mad about that theme music because he flattened Xavier.
- Insult of the Year: Right person, wrong situation. They should've gave it to Stephanie for when she killed Miz. Just to have him present it to her.
- Punk vs Ambrose. Punk didn't shit himself tonight like he did on Smackdown so that's a plus. great match. more Shield dissension too. and a SPEAR!
- Harper/Rowan vs Usos
- Match of the Year: Rock vs Cena. Yeah, no.
- The Ascension Ceremony: first off, stupid name. alright so 20 champs in one ring. apparently last week's HHH revisionism wasn't enough so we had to get a bit more.*** constant Bryan chants over HHH talking lol. he's dying laughing. Christian sighting! Orton's out here cooking on the mic for once. Cena comes back w/ heat leeching off Bryan and shooting (even though damn near everything he said about Orton applies to himself as well). I actually hope Orton wins now. Then absolute chaos pops off w/ Cena, Orton, Punk, HBK, HHH & Bryan. Stephanie gets knocked over amidst it all and Orton catches a Pedigree for it. Closing shot, Cena & The Authority looking down on Orton, Bryan chants over everything. I reeeeeally hope Orton wins now.
***edit bonus: Punk's reaction to "Greatest WWE Champ" Triple H - http://i.minus.com/icTn0LcPpNDJD.gif

Yall gotta at least peep the finale. Best one since I started back watching. the Slammys are cool too. Seattle crowd was awesome.

this is the best ending RAW has had in quite awhile, usually ill read the dirtsheets but i had a feeling the ceremony tonight was going to be special

i wonder if they are making a new belt for this? i hope they bring back the old undisputed title or the bigger eagle title stone cold and the rock had before, new WWE title looks like a football championship ring

as far as the belt, i guess they're making a new one since they're going out of their way to call it the Unified Champion. that original Undisputed Championship goes real hard though.

They're going with that one.

Any thoughts about them bringing back the winged eagle belt or the Brock Lesnar belt should cease. They aren't ever coming back.
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They are not going to do something this big (unification) at a small PPV like this.

There will be a screwy ending. Both grab each others title and they switch or something.

It will be dragged out to a huge unification match at a top PPV.

Both grab each others title and
>they switch or something.


and i hate it. plus, will they just redo it at the royal rumble? cause then a historically important match is either buried before the rumble or overshadows the rumble and neither situation is ideal. if you wait till WM that doesn't make much sense either.

I agree with you that it will probably continue and not happen, but they did it last time at a smaller PPV so Jericho could run with it through Rumble into WM

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

They keep hinting at it, though. All three dudes will be awesome on their own, definitely, but they're so great together. That Reigns push has already started, so if they do split up, I wonder how that'd go. Would Reigns just break off against Rollins and Ambrose? All the hints have been Reigns and Rollins vs. Ambrose, though. Maybe Rollins vs. Amrbose and Reigns just jumps into the main event and ignores them? I don't know. If it happens, hopefully it's done well.

Also, if they could just sneak in a brief feaud the Wyatts before breaking up the Shield, that'd be nice as well.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DZb8B1qNZ4

There's nothing quite like a Briscoe Brothers promo. Dec. 14th, Jay Briscoe has a three-way dance with ROH World Champ Adam Cole and Michael Elgin at ROH Final Battle for the title he was stripped of after a shoulder injury took him out of competition.


If his crazy eyes don't make you nervous, I don't know what to tell you. He basically threatened everything short of stabbing Adam Cole.

That's a pretty nice title belt tho.

Something must be wrong with those guys, because it makes no sense for them not to be in TNA or WWE. They're one of the better tag teams of the last 10 yrs and Jay Briscoe has turned into one of the better promo guys in wrestling, although this wasn't one of his best.
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I'm sure he could reign it in if he had to, but I'm not that impressed watching a guy just yell fuck, bitch, motherfucker etc... every few words.

Part of a great promo in wrestling is crafting it to be well said and fit the show. His charisma and energy are great, but this isn't much that some angry dude with a webcam couldn't also record because he is mad that Miley Cyrus is famous.

the eyes alone will get him over, slow down.

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http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/videos-from-wrestlemania-31-press-conference-wwe-network-logo-used-in-wm31-logo/

wonder if she gonna lose that title for embarrassing the company?

Lucky bastard

Except maybe Stephanie and Natalya.
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Hopefully, no one will be dumb enough to try to blame her for this...

>Michelle Beadle ‏@MichelleDBeadle
(1/4) Once and once only: I've known CM Punk for years. Considered him a friend. When I saw him at the arena, I said 'hey f&$?face'. The

(2/4) exact same way I talk to everyone. His girlfriend was no where near this. And I kept walking along with my assistant and two members

(3/4) of WWE PR. Next thing I know, I'm being yelled at. I honestly thought it was a joke. Period. The event went on and it was amazing. So

(4/4) I hope we can move on from this ridiculously lame 'story.' As for the crazies, BLOCKED! And Happy freaking Holidays!!!



Dollars to donuts, Vince is thinking about trying to turn this into some sort of WM angle... *smh*

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That's all it was.

Meltzer tried to hold back last night, but he and Alvarez pretty much confirmed it. And AJ is jealous.

She is a total mark.
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Tumbling down the card

this punishment is overboard.

they got 2 fake tag teams in here but the Usos cant get in. Usos got played out of their #1 contendership a while back too.

And if you're gonna do them, why back to back like this? They've completely killed the crowd.

not even in the No DQ kofi/miz match. shit has been WWE Main Event for the last 45 mins.

>shit has been WWE Main
>Event for the last 45 mins.

the main event by having more than one match be the TLC match; the most important match on this show - which was a 1-match show if there ever was one - should be the only one to have that stipulation

That's why it was the only one on the card

That, and the call to unify the titles appears to be a spur-of-the-moment move by Vince for whatever reason

And no, if they were going to change the format that doesn't mean they could just change the name of the PPV at the last minute, there's advertising and promotional considerations to take into account that were set up months ahead of time

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just unbelievable.

Bryan should've taken his hand!!!

Wyatts should've punished him by throwing him through the Spanish Announcer Table or something.

It was a great performance from Bray though, they made him look like such a boss.

GENIUS!

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don't really like orton, but he basically beat cena straight up. kofi and r-truth winning is fine in my book (i know this just means they'll lose on raw, but at least they had their moment on a PPV). aj, rhodes, and big e staying champions makes the most sense. would've preferred bryan to win, but that's not realistic. didn't get to watch the punk match, but i think i would be satisfied based on what i read of it.

i wish they hit that last table spot right though.

>i wish they hit that last table spot right though.

That looked like a definite concussion, though Cena WAS able to smirk in character as Orton celebrated.

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/314643/tumblr_inline_mxwayaRy021sol6xt.jpg

Apparently this was drawn by a fan at a WWE show, and it somehow got backstage to the locker room and passed around. *LOL*
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They all sleep around and with all of the divas but we only really mock the divas for sleeping with a bunch of wrestlers.

Cartoons like this or chanting hoeski at Eve are pretty good examples of slut shaming I'd say.

And they went hard at Batista a few years back.

Meanwhile, really the only Divas I remember anyone going after was Kelly Kelly, Melina, and Lita. Lita because of the whole Edge/Matt Hardy thing; Kelly and Melina because it seemed like they were trying to sleep with damn near the entire roster at one time or another, all while claiming to have boyfriends.
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

how does that trio get away w/ being absolutely horrible.

edit: haaaah and Cena gets an RKO for his troubles. that was the livest Bryan has been since summerslam.

Gets a lot of heat on Orton, which he desperately needs. Wished he'd sold the knee more throughout the match, but that's a minor quibble.

Not sure what they're doing at the Rumble, but I'm invested.

SS and the following...month or so was dope. I've all but checked out of the non-Shield/Rhodes stuff since HIC.

Then they go and deliver an intriguing end to RAW, and extremely well booked final three TLC matches w/a great finish to go with a very good RAW with another well-executed and interesting finish.

They HAVE to put Bryan over for real at some point and every time they get him red hot they turn it back down on them. I've always hypothesized a long term build of Bryan coming up short at every turn that would culminate in a resounding finish that would blow the damn roof off the building, but they haven't instilled enough confidence in me that they'll actually pull the trigger and I fucking hate them for it.

Bryan is another Chris Jericho; enough to win the title for a short period of time but they will never let him take the ball and run with it. He's good enough to where he'll stay at the 2nd tier because he can have a good match with just about anyone.
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We all kind of get on the WWE and say they are dumb, they refuse to see he is their most over star, they aren't doing what is best for the company.

Then it hit me: everytime they bury the guy he gets more popular. His whole career has been WWE buries him and he gets more popular, all the way back to the original firing.

So at what point does Vince realize, hey DB is the man, but once we actually give him the long run and let him be the man like CM punk it only goes downhill from there? He has a run, he peaks, and then he is just a star we have. But when we do this, and people think we are doing it because we don't like him (both on TV and in the writers room) people keep buying his merch, keep coming to shows to see him, keep campaigning for him.

Basically DB not as the champ is worth 10X to WWE what he would be worth as champ and I think they get that. It kind of sucks for him legacy wise because he may not ever be a 10 time champion with a great reign, but in the end if they did this and it lasted for a long time people will all remember him as one of the best and he will continue to draw people in.

That being said I want to see him win Rumble and get his WM moment, but that probably isn't best for long term business in reality. Sort of like how everyone in the country wanted the Red Sox to win that first one in 04 or whatever year but once they were just another top team everyone hated them again.

I think you ride this as long as you can with Bryan and once all the fans are sour to the story and it stops elevating him then you give him the belt, he peaks again and then things fall where they fall.

I think there's a way for him to thrive as champ for an extended period of time. If the Authority were to continue to stack the deck against him while he's got the strap, picture a four month program where he endures handicap matches with his title on the line, dangerous stipulation matches, a roster of challengers hand picked by Hunter and company that he mows through. Through all the Authority does Bryan continues to escape these hugely unfair matches with his title intact. The stakes keep getting raised, he keeps coming out on top. The program would begin after Wrestlemania and lead up to Summerslam. And if you're creative enough about it you could have a different main event at every pay-per-view in the Spring in Summer, with everything ramping up to Bryan's biggest test at Summerslam.

Finally after about 3 or 4 months of Bryan outfoxing Triple H, April through July, Hunter is desperate. Begrudgingly, he makes a deal with Paul Heyman and calls in his last resort, Brock Lesnar murderer for hire. At the PPV prior to SS Bryan is poised to yet again defy the odds when out of nowhere Brock Lesnar, contract killer, mauls Bryan and leaves him lying. Randy Orton or a repackaged heel Sheamus lazily pins Bryan to win the title, and the next night on Raw Bryan shifts his attention to Lesnar for a showdown at Summerslam. All August long the Authority is begging Lesnar to end Daniel Bryan for good, and you go into Summerslam with Daniel Bryan v Brock Lesnar, the greatest test of Bryan's career.

How credible would Bryan be then when Triple H is so desperate that he has to call in the former UFC Heavyweight champion to defeat Daniel Bryan, vegan, 220 pounds, and not even six foot tall?

Not because it's not well thought out, but simply because what makes people love Bryan so much is the knowledge that WWE won't let him be the man (this works both for real and in the storyline)

You will lose the outside the storyline love eventually and him overcoming the odds every month on PPV will simply make him John Cena. The kids will still love it but the older audience who is behind him will eventually tire of it. Right now he has the rare mix of older and younger fans loving him, that is almost impossible to have, basically him and Punk are the only ones to really nail it and run with it recently.

As soon as DB becomes the man he has peaked in the older audiences eyes. It won't be immediate, but it will only be down from there, the longer they can piss people off by using him wrong while he continues to draw people in the better for them.

it's hard to keep people behind a face champion.

That's why you mostly see world titles put on heels, because then you can have the faces chase the heel for the title and keep your viewers intrigued. But generally when you have a face champion, the chase is over and people have less interest in them after that. It takes someone charismatic to be able to hold the title as a face and keep people intrigued.

I think Bryan should have been given a shot, and be able to build his fanbase and momentum. It can't do anything but help WWE. But WWE is set that a guy that's 5'9 at best and walking around looking like he lives in Montana is not what they want as their top guy alongside Cena. And last summer when he stood beside Rock in that ring at Raw 1000th, I can kinda see their point.
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I agree he should get his shot and it sucks for him that he may not ever be the man with the belt, but he is clearly the man of the company currently and has been for about a year. It really all started at Wrestlemania 29 so almost 2 years of becoming the man.

Right now the WWE knows how hot he is and he can't really get hotter, other than personal reasons of him deserving it there is virtually no reason to make him champ when he is doing so much for the company not being champ.

They don't believe in him. Plain and simple.

The fact that he seems more over because he's constantly chasing the title is circumstantial. Sooner or later, people will give up on him like they have with Ziggler and the others.
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Until his popularity peaks and you can milk a little bit out of him by being champ.

I'm not saying WWE planned it this way, but it shook out this way and it makes more sense for them to keep making people mad by not giving him the belt.

I think they've been working towards that for a while actually. They're big on "moments" and they also aren't deaf. As far as crowd reactions go, there's Cena, there's Punk, there's Bryan, there's Orton, and then everyone else is far far away and there is no way the WWE doesn't know this.

I was listening to the Masked Man and Peter Rosenberg's podcast yesterday and they made a really good point; Bryan isn't just a TV star, he's a reality star now. He got engaged on TV, his wedding is going to be on TV, there's obviously an immense deal of value in him and they aren't ignorant to that at the WWE.

He'll get his time and it's near. They've wanted to get here all along it just got muddled for a few months. In all, I think we're going to look back on this last year as a really important one; Bryan's official arrival, The Shield, Langston, and the Wyatts all made impacts and Randy Orton re-arrived as a true main event star.

i think that was the plan originally, but the fall PPV buyrates probably killed that idea. i don't think it was all his fault, and they should be the be all end all when it's in their best interest to build the next Cena, but it is what it is.

also their recent moves haven't shown much long-term thought. Bryan and Punk were thrown into programs with Shield/Wyatts because they had nothing else for them, and they're really wasn't a reason given or a resolution for either program. The Big Show seemingly forgot about HHH after he screwed him over (and still owns his house!!!). They've been changing their minds a lot recently, and i think they'll find something for bryan to do at WM that they'll say "yeah, that's good enough" and that'll be the end of it for now. they also would've given him a couple more moments of winning against the authority if they were committed to that.

i hope i'm wrong though.

dbry is far and away the most over right now. i'm not holding my breath for the payoff he (and we) deserves though. they kill me trying to blame the buyrates on him instead of the quarter long run of garbage ass product they put on.
punk is probably the 2nd most over but i'm starting to not like seeing him. he must be injured or something (AJ draining all his energy) because his moveset has been sloppy as fuck lately.
cena having a good night if gets 60/40 cheers/boos. yeah his merch is selling but people are tired of seeing him.

>punk is probably the 2nd most over but i'm starting to not
>like seeing him. he must be injured or something (AJ draining
>all his energy) because his moveset has been sloppy as fuck
>lately.

and i think he's getting more and more weary of the business side of things (again).

>I think they've been working towards that for a while
>actually. They're big on "moments" and they also aren't deaf.
>As far as crowd reactions go, there's Cena, there's Punk,
>there's Bryan, there's Orton, and then everyone else is far
>far away and there is no way the WWE doesn't know this.
>
>I was listening to the Masked Man and Peter Rosenberg's
>podcast yesterday and they made a really good point; Bryan
>isn't just a TV star, he's a reality star now. He got engaged
>on TV, his wedding is going to be on TV, there's obviously an
>immense deal of value in him and they aren't ignorant to that
>at the WWE.
>
>He'll get his time and it's near. They've wanted to get here
>all along it just got muddled for a few months. In all, I
>think we're going to look back on this last year as a really
>important one; Bryan's official arrival, The Shield, Langston,
>and the Wyatts all made impacts and Randy Orton re-arrived as
>a true main event star.


I agree with this....^^^^

The point wasn't who's more over. The point is how he's percieved by "The Authority".

And really, more people know of Jericho than Bryan, especially since he was one of the guys from the Attitude Era.
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

http://i.imgur.com/HDLYvHF.png

Survior Series tanked

http://rajah.com/node/38011

worst in 10 years.

Have we over-emphasized the early-Fall PPVs' numbers hurting BRyan.

vince logic.

edit: real answer, they never hold Orton accountable for shit so why would they start now?

**edit: I forgot how much people hate Orton around here, not to mention HHH and anyone associated with him. It's popular on the internet to believe Orton has never been punished for any misdeed.

I'll let you cook on that since you're obviously in that camp if you saw my response and assumed there was no way I could have said that after reading the body of his post.

Not the heel.

In wrestling (at least 75% of the time), people are supposed to watch the show to see the face beat the heel. So if the numbers are bad, the blame is generally placed on the face not being able to draw enough interest into the feud.
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also Punk, Cena & Big E had a throwback promo. i think Cena found somebody's secret coke stash. they should do that more often.

Did Cena say at one point that Big E was gonna "release the Langston"?

Match was nice too, it was great to see E get the hot tag there at the end.

He has been champion very little over the past 2 years (a thing people seem to not admit when they talk about Cena always winning)

Granted he has still won his feuds, and often still been the main event which isn't his fault, but his not champion persona seems to be a more looser character who isn't afraid to try to win over some of the older male fans who dislike him.

Just something I've noticed as I've liked him more since his feud with the Rock and Punk being champ for 400+ days than I have at any other point in his career.

It was just golden.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ni3kgHn212k&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLqIVmFaHA8BoBQx9qX1C6vCwhybDLjC52

but I'm fine with them staying together for a while. I don't think they'll become boring anytime soon, so I think he can only benefit.

When he lost to Big Show at WM 28 I was convinced he was a real player to win the Rumble and go on to WM 29 to main event, instead he just fell back for 2 years into a bunch of tag team angles.

Cody's in the same boat as Miz, Kofi, Barrett, etc. He's not going to get over, and the fans have stopped caring about him.
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Especially when it is the wrestler who is clearly going to win the feud anyway.

Lesnar is great and Henry has his moments but I have little interest in watching them actually carry a PPV match vs each other.

The segment was still awesome though, Brock frightens the fuck out of me

That Lesner-Henry segment was crazy.

Was hoping that Bryan-Harper match would've gone on for hours.

One on any of them, one on two of them, one against all three, whatever it is, I really enjoy it. I mean, I guess Bryan and anybody is pretty great, but him and the Wyatts are really fun.

Seemed so anti climatic which maybe was the point.

I'm guessing if he is a heel maybe we can get a CM punk feud, but just seems very strange, hard to believe that is really a heel turn and he won't be back as a face by Rumble.

Because if they're not, 2013 will be remembered as the year WWE fumbled away its next big company-carrying star. Some of us saw this coming, though, and we're not surprised.

Seems to me this might be heading towards a Daniel Bryan vs. Bray Wyatt match at Mania, which, honestly, zzzzzzzzz.

And even the turn itself was kinda weird. I mean, for three months, Daniel Bryan didn't say much of anything about allegedly being screwed over by The Authority, and even more important, he won most of his matches (right?). Now all of a sudden, he's talking about how, no matter what he does, and no matter how loud the fans chant, "they" are never going to "let him win," and so he has no other choice... but to join Bray Wyatt's cult?

wat

A better build to this shit would have been to start from the point where Daniel Bryan had his in-ring confrontation with Shawn Michaels, when we saw a little of a "I'm pissed at the bullshit" reaction from Daniel that he should have had for the past 3 months. Then The Authority continues to stack the deck against him, causing loss after demoralizing loss. Then, finally, instead of having Daniel Bryan turn in the dumbest possible way by joining with Bray Wyatt, why not just have him "quit the business?" I know, I know, "yeah but that's been done already zzzzzz," etc, but if the idea is that he's turning because he's frustrated with fighting "the system," which is what he said last night, then the most logical reaction would be for him to quit the game altogether, is it not? Yes, I'm knee-jerking it, and no, I don't give a fuck. Even with whatever long-term idea they may have for this, it still smacks of a desperate, "We got nothing else for him" move.

Hi, meathead lurkers.

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>
>And even the turn itself was kinda weird. I mean, for three
>months, Daniel Bryan didn't say much of anything about
>allegedly being screwed over by The Authority, and even more
>important, he won most of his matches (right?). Now all of a
>sudden, he's talking about how, no matter what he does, and no
>matter how loud the fans chant, "they" are never going to "let
>him win," and so he has no other choice... but to join Bray
>Wyatt's cult?

either the authority has to be anti-wyatts (and why wouldn't they be? they've done whatever they want for months now and that totally goes against what the authority stands for) or the wyatts have to have stated that they want to take over the wwe/authority (despite some really captivating promos, thus far they've been pretty aimless for a cult). that would give bryan reason to join them, whether it's for the long-term or not. still interested to see where they go with it though. and i (conditionally) disagree with you on how they did it. i thought giving in rather than fully committing made sense, even if it doesn't make his character look great, and that his hesitation suggests there will be more to the story than a straight heel turn.

For that reason, I suppose I can give Kreative™ a little leeway for his shaky-ass reasoning for joining up with the Wyatts

The only problem with that is that it (at least to me) suggests that he may be in cahoots with someone to bring down the Wyatt Family from the inside, which, again, wat

The turn was somewhat effective in that moment, and I'm kinda interested in where it goes (i.e., just how much they'll fuck it all up), but the groundwork for it should have been laid well in advance, which would have made it far more interesting, at least to me

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They are giving him the Big Show treatment.

You want to turn him heel then fine, but dont make him face again at the Rumble which is what I'm expecting.

Which is really exciting. If nothing else, I thought that last segment was really nicely done and it's cool that Bryan seemingly has something to do now. I feel like there's multiple ways they could take this that would be fun.

I'm excited to see where they take it as well. If it's just a way for Bryan to get his revenge on Bray, I'm cool with it. If it's a way for Bryan to get his revenge on Hunter, I'm absolutely cool with that too.

tonight was aight.

shit i liked:
- summer rae in that dress *banderas*
- the shield acting a damn fool during the punk/rollins match.
- bad news barrett coming up out of the floor.
- BROCK coming back and wrecking Mizzark. holy shit.
---- the "camera shake" when Brock put him through the wall
- aksana's skinemax porn theme music. i've never heard that shit before lmao.
- wyatt gauntlet was dope. luke harper is legit. the only reason i'm not mad at bryan joining the wyatts is because it's not like bryan was gonna be in the title picture anytime soon. wonder how creative will fuck this up.

punk v roman reigns next week!

Like they took for granted that he would always be the resilient flying goat who said "YES" in the face adversity.

I feel like the Wyatt Family is starting to look like the Beach Boys at their most beardy.

He's conducting a Twitter Q & A

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In fact they were supposed to do an angle on the Raw the next night, but he had all of those injuries and couldn't show.
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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

He was just another cog in the Attitude Era machine and nothing special. They initially brought him in to feud with Cena, but that shit never happened. He really has no place in the promotion if you ask me. Between Brodus, Henry, Show, the Really Big Chubby Dude quota was already full when he got there.

I'm sure after main eventing a number of shows for New Japan Pro Wrestling and having good matches there the last thing he would have expected to do was come back to the WWE with a fake mustache and wearing wack jumpsuits.

Fact is, he got over in other places. But nobody gets over in WWE unless they get themselves over in spite of creative.
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Unless, of course, you think he's some Brock, Rock, Austin, Hogan level star. You know, the kind of guy Vince is ALWAYS waiting to hear from so he can hot shot buys for the next PPV or spike ratings for a week.

Let's not act as if ALBERT, of all people, is the kind of guy who tells Vince " Don't call me, I'll call you." while Vince desperately tries to sell him on a return.

>I'm sure after main eventing a number of shows for New Japan
>Pro Wrestling and having good matches there the last thing he
>would have expected to do was come back to the WWE with a fake
>mustache and wearing wack jumpsuits.

And? What, you think they should push his ass to the top of the card because he had some success in Japan? Newsflash: Different shit works over there. Success there doesn't mean success here, and not just because of WWE creative.

>Fact is, he got over in other places. But nobody gets over in
>WWE unless they get themselves over in spite of creative.

I give two fucks where he got over. He's terrible. The "other places" you're talking about is pretty much just Japan, and there are such stark cultural differences in the fan reception of the business between here and there that it's ridiculous to cite it as an example to show creative dropping the ball.

Shame, though. He CAN be a good mid-level big guy, and Sweet T is a little closer to some of his better moments as Albert.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6zbrPmyvxA#t=45

and the postgame celebrations
http://i.minus.com/iFmww3XbEgJ4G.gif

dbry did that.

I've watched very little TNA, but the fact that the Yes chant got going during AJ Style's promo is awesome (link below). Fuck WWE if they don't give him the title soon, seriously.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP-q-ijCVug

I bleed Maize-and-Blue through and through but I can't front on this shit

http://larrybrownsports.com/college-basketball/michigan-state-daniel-bryan-yes-video/216129

Hunter and Vince and Steffy and nem better be paying attention, this shit's not ending any time soon, no matter how much they hate it

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but what happened to the lawsuit between M.O.P and John Cena? Did M.O.P. lose? I ask because I notice M.O.P's little vocal sample is still in his entrance song.

I want to say I heard something like that a while back, but don't hold me to it.


"I halfway hope people put "btw, rappers lie and shit" on CD covers, like a parental advisory sticker." - OKP Villain

www.twitter.com/lexlamont

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

... I think they settled out of court. Or in an interview they alluded that they got broke off something proper.

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But the entire show is on YouTube. In fact, I'm about to watch the second half of it as I type this.
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I got as far as Devitt/Ibushi and then I had to crash. It seemed like a solid show, what I saw of it, apart from the tag match with the Gracie brothers. I will never understand the Japanese infatuation with crossing worked wrestling with MMA.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/442451-daniel-bryan-debuts-new-look

I swear to God, this better be leading somewhere dope

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Best part of that segment was Ambrose's mile-wide grin when Jake put "Damien" on him

And I'm sure we'll find out tomorrow that that wasn't a smile, Ambrose had gas or some shit, but let us enjoy the moment, dammit

But if it were a smile, then the sad part is that it'll be used to justify jobbing Dean Ambrose out for the rest of the year, because that's the kind of silly shit this company does now

Man, I'm still HOT over this Daniel Wyatt shit

I ain't watch the rest

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Someone reminding Jake to keep it PG as he was using the snake on Ambrose

DDP doin' work.

And he needs a reality show STAT, but only if he can maintain control. Apparently he's had offers but he doesn't get the sort of control he'd need to do it correctly.

They're proof most fans are fucking idiots. Everything about those two is and was garbage. Brian Christopher is fucking awful at everything, but he's exactly what his old man would be had he come up in the 90's so considering how much Lawler is considered legit wrestling royalty in some corners of the wrestling world it's no surprise people would gravitate to his equally shitty kid.

Scotty 2 Hotty is arguably worse than BC.

Easily the group I hate the absolute most in all of wrestling, and on the short list of wrestlers that make me hate the fans who like them.

*worms right on by this post*

>They're proof most fans are fucking idiots. Everything about
>those two is and was garbage. Brian Christopher is fucking
>awful at everything, but he's exactly what his old man would
>be had he come up in the 90's so considering how much Lawler
>is considered legit wrestling royalty in some corners of the
>wrestling world it's no surprise people would gravitate to his
>equally shitty kid.
>
>Scotty 2 Hotty is arguably worse than BC.
>
>Easily the group I hate the absolute most in all of wrestling,
>and on the short list of wrestlers that make me hate the fans
>who like them.


They were indeed a joke...

But chill with that J. Lawler shade...

That dude was killing shit when professional wrestling was RASTLIN' .......

Lawler is respected by wrestling purists for a reason...Don't let his jokey-joke image today fool u, homie...

I like Wrasslin’… when it’s done right. You know who was a great Wrassler? Barry Windham. Dusty Rhodes. Hell…. Dustin Rhodes. Ric Flair was a Wrassler until his very last match for cryin out loud. Arn Anderson. Tommy Rich. Bobby Eaton. The Funk brothers. Those were fucking amazing Wrasslers. That’s how you entertain with Wrasslin. Give me an Armstrong or a Von Erich any day.

Lawler was always garbage. Always. He got over because he did some lowbrow bullshit rednecks hoot and holler over. Moves, ring gear, gimmick, everything. I don’t care what dude does now. I watched USWA back in the day. I remember being confused as hell as a kid when he feuded with Bret, because he was clearly not in Bret’s class on any level.

>Lawler is respected by wrestling purists for a reason...Don't
>let his jokey-joke image today fool u, homie...

ZZZzzzzzzz.


Look, dude made his name in a big way. He got about as big as anyone could get under the territory system. He built himself into a legend. I can never take that away from him, and don’t want to. That said, I consider him to be the most basic, simple, and primitive form of pro wrestler imaginable.

Some people can become incredible successes through selling incredible mediocrity. How many terrible pop stars have been created? How many times have we seen forms of artistry where woefully mediocre, marginal talents achieve great success? Am I to believe Miley Cyrus to be some bastion of musical creativity because she sells? Is J.Lo somehow a phenomenal singer? Is the Transformers series an example of great film making because of its incredible success? Sometimes, becoming a star is as a fluke- just being the right guy in the right place at the time in front of the right people.

didn't realize they actually had a run together as "too cool"

i always remember christopher as early attitude-era midcarder, whose gimmick consisted of being nothing more than a giggling douche, while his old man put him over on commentary.

Yeah, the Worm is fucking ridiculous. But he made McIntyre look like a boss for a good portion of that match, and looked like he's maintained himself pretty well. I wouldn't be mad at him coming back to put over c-level talent on their way up, or to team with someone that's trying to find their way on the A-show.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

I'm with you all the way on BC, but Lawler?

Nah.

And it might be biased, let me preface this now.

I grew up watching Lawler feud with Flair, Savage, The Hulk Machine, Hennig, Zbyszko, Nick Bockwinkel, and Blanchard and Anderson came down for matches with him and Idol. I saw some classic shit. Yeah, USWA was that redneck whatever you're talking about, but the stuff that came before that? Yeah, I saw all that. Lawler is no technical wrestler by any standard and people like to talk about his physique not being "wrestler-like". The low brow shit came when Vince came around and used them as a minor league. Even I really couldn't get into it (although it was cool to see The Rock and Kurt Angle around town). Yeah, in no way shape or form was it cool for him to feud with Bret or anyone in the WWF at that time. He wasn't in their league and he was starting on his downturn, and was more in booking at that time. So I'm with you on that. Even the matches here in Memphis sucked. If you're judging Lawler by that, ok I respect your opinion there. But mid 70's to mid 80's Lawler was great. But like I said it could just be me being biased.

Concussed him with a clothesline in a dark match.

SMH. Fuckin' Ryback.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

responsibility of the receiver as the giver to protect themselves

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

dangerous combo with a guy who (over)sells like ziggler does.

i wonder who overdid what.

and he never calls people out.

I know he (helped to) get Ken Anderson fired and one other guy but I forgot who it is at the moment.

But stiffing Cena will get you in hot water with the quickness. Especially with his body breaking down as it is because he doesn't know how to properly take bumps.
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someone bleeding lol.... except with the boss.....then brock bled haha

i bet big show was like...oh hell, he better not do me like mayweather!


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

no wonder he was smiling.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

my boy in Pittsburgh is a teacher, got a MAJOR hookup from a student's parent and we got a SUITE! Gonna be like 20 of us!!!!!!!!

That's one of the things on my bucket list.

Have fun.

only because I am staying for my frat's centennial countdown...

gives me something to do...

Big E needs a new instagram partner.

Hopefully he's gets to show that personality at some point.

Can't blame Kaitlyn for wanting to move on to something else, they weren't exactly giving her much to do of late.

well damn they got me then didn't they?

I've gotta hand it to em, this WWE Network really does look like something else. Hopefully they can avoid a healthcare.gov situation at the onset because I have a feeling that PPV deal is going to bring a butt ton of customers early at launch.

While it was a smart move to make fans get a six month commitment, the profit more or less will still be the same. And the scenarios are still the same. UFC Fight Pass is not a make-or-break venture with Zuffa. WWE Network IS a make-or-break venture with WWE.

UFC only needs 100,000 subscribers to break even. WWE is looking for one million. UFC will still have their biggest shows on PPV, Fox Sports and Fox Network. Only thing they're showing live on Fight Pass is their non-televised shows internationally.

WWE is now putting ALL of their PPVs on the WWE Network including WrestleMania, which now means 1. they're going to lose crucial PPV revenue, and $50/mth each is > $9.99/mth. 2. They're now going to REALLY have to depend on getting a significant increase in rights fees for Raw and other shows that are coming up to be renegotiated in case the Network doesn't pull it's own weight.

If FightPass doesn't work, UFC really doesn't care. They have a long-term deal worth nine figures with Fox to televise its programming (although they do have some issues with ratings and creating stars themselves), and they don't have to worry about streaming networks. But WWE has put their chips in on this venture, and if it doesn't bring in the kind of numbers they anticipate to justify it, it's going to really hurt them both in the stock market and in regards to making a profit.
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With the exception of the recent PPVs to feature the Rock in the main events, year-to-year buy rates are all down when comparing 2012 events to 2013. In truth, Rock is an outlier talent, the kind that doesn't grow on trees and that they can't rely on exclusively to power their PPV business. Here they're acknowledging that, investing in the long term, and essentially hedging their bets for the majority of their PPVs. Maybe they just see the writing is on the wall and that unless wrestling goes through another boom comparable to 99- unlikely- they're ultimately safer getting guaranteed money for every event rather than waiting on the next megastar who could be responsible for dramatic increases in buy rates.

WWE has been their own worst enemy in creating their own stars.

I'm not saying any of the guys that have come down the pike in the last 13 years would have been another Rock or Austin, but at the same time they could have had a base of talent that could have kept them out of the ratings doldrums that they are in now and maintained some of their viewership.

Even then, they're still going to have to do it with the WWE Network anyway, because the main lure to this streaming service is the original programming and PPVs. So it doesn't matter what they do; if they don't create new stars - especially with Cena and others in the shape they're in - it isn't going to work.

>WWE has been their own worst enemy in creating their own
>stars.

they seem to live and die by each PPV buyrate, which i can't totally blame them for, but it does create more issues than it solves. in the case of bryan's push getting curtailed because of buyrates it should be pretty obvious to them it's not all his fault, that creative/too many PPVs was the main issue, and that if they want to build the next top star they'll have to suffer some lower buyrates at first. but now that they're not relying on each PPV to have a massive buyrate they can afford to take a few more risks with newer guys rather than rush Cena back and have him headline everything until he retires.

>WWE is now putting ALL of their PPVs on the WWE Network
>including WrestleMania, which now means 1. they're going to
>lose crucial PPV revenue, and $50/mth each is > $9.99/mth. 2.
>They're now going to REALLY have to depend on getting a
>significant increase in rights fees for Raw and other shows
>that are coming up to be renegotiated in case the Network
>doesn't pull it's own weight.
>

WWE's stock is up 100% over the past four quarters, despite badly missing earnings estimates on three of those. it's trading at a P/E of 104! what is this, a high-beta tech stock?

i have no idea how they expect to improve already-eroded gross margins with a $9.99 price point. they're really gonna need to hit a home run with this... otherwise look out below.

I know she did it twice in the last few months. Some made an excuse about she needed it to have loose cash on hand for personal financial reasons, but I call bullshit on that one. She knows the ride will be over, and once it is, people are gonna go broke. She doesn't want to be one of them.

If they don't get that rights fees double for Raw AND break close to even on the WWE Network - which I see that as damn near impossible to do - then WWE is fucked for this year. That stock will plummet and that's gonna result in a number of WWE Corporate jobs being cut. Word is they hired a shit load of people just for that Network in and of itself.
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but this offering is *extremely* competitively priced and I (personally) expect it to do well. The six month commitment is minor since it includes Mania and the hope is that folks will stick around permanently.

A million persistent subscribers to break even seems to be a fairly lofty goal, but with time (and obviously a good product) I think it's very attainable. Considering that both of the prior Mania's each cracked a million buys, it's not unreasonable to think that, for at least the first six months they *should* be able to match those numbers.

Will that sustain to overcome the loss of revenue from the individual PPV sales? That's a different story, and is heavily dependent on how strong the product is.

But this isn't a business model with the short term in mind. I would venture it will take at least 12-18 months to honestly assess the success of the service. There will be the initial spike of the die hards, then the dip before the major spike before WrestleMania, then lulls punctuated by smaller spikes before the other PPV's. I think the number to watch will be the delta in subs after the WrestleMania glow wears off.

But what's particularly notable about the network is that mainstream media already has its eyes on it as a potential disruption to the cable channel model. Remember when it was originally rumored to be tied to the cable carriers? That's obviously not the case now and WWE is taking a big (and, to me, a potentially very high-reward) risk in going "all-in" with the internet distribution model.

What's even more notable is that WWE now has the unusual position of having revenue streams in both cable and digital distribution. HBO's getting flack for not jumping into (true) digital distribution while Netflix is working to get into cable distribution before their licensing deals get even more expensive. If the product remains good (IMO the biggest "if"), then WWE can leverage each channels to serve the other. Other than sports leagues and the major networks (like hulu), I'm struggling to think of another specialized content provider with this sort of position.

Why am I optimistic on the service though? It's been proven time and time again that if people are given cheap, easily distributed, LEGAL options for content, then they WILL pay for it. There were rumors that Mania was going to get split out from the service but the fact that they're including it (and other things fans have clamored for like Benoit footage) shows that WWE is really dedicated to making the service as consumer-friendly as they possibly can.

Now.... if only we can be so sure the product itself is good..

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/it?s=WWE+Insider+Transactions

speculators pumped it, now she's dumped it.

edit: though it looks like a lot are "automatic sells", so she/her broker probably had limit orders locked in at a certain price during the ride up... per a 10b5-1 plan.

>I know she did it twice in the last few months. Some made an
>excuse about she needed it to have loose cash on hand for
>personal financial reasons, but I call bullshit on that one.
>She knows the ride will be over, and once it is, people are
>gonna go broke. She doesn't want to be one of them.
>

and supposedly she only sold a third of her shares.

edit: that was as of october. per flash's post she's definitely sold more since then.

wrestlingobserver.com:

- The network will be $9.99/month with a six-month commitment. Fans can sign up for a one-week free trial starting on Feb. 24th at 9 AM EST. It officially launches with the RAW post-show at 11:05 PM EST that night.

- All 12 WWE pay-per-views will move to the network, starting with Wrestlemania 30.

- All past WWE, WCW, and ECW pay-per-views will be available on-demand.

- The network will feature original shows like Legend House (reality show featuring retired wrestlers), Wrestlemania Rewind (looking back at specific matches), Countdown (a rankings/list-style show), Monday Night War: WWE vs. WCW, and more. Legends House begins in April.

- NXT and Superstars will be on the network.

- 30-minute pre and post shows for RAW and Smackdown will be part of the network, and a daily live studio show will also launch.

- In total, over 1500 hours of video on demand will be available at launch, including encore airings of RAW, Smackdown, and Main Events. Classic matches "uncut and uncensored" will also be available.

- The network will be available on all devices like PS3, Xbox 360, Roku, smartphones, desktops, laptops, and more. Coming soon: Xbox One, select smart TVs and more.

- Using the WWE app, fans will have access to a second screen experience for live events and original shows.

- MLB Advanced Media will help power the network, including video stream infrastructure, app development and operational support.

- The network will not immediately be available around the world, and is scheduled to launch in the United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Hong Kong and the Nordics by the end of 2014 to early 2015.

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I'm surprised they're including Mania since that seems like an easy split-out for normal PPV buys (or say a discounted rate for subscribers).


Hopefully this will also mean a consistent commitment to longer arcs since they're no longer tied down to watching the short term buyrates.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

What was the point, other than to just kill 2 weeks

The reborn moment couldn't have been scripted better with a crowd like that. It continues to establish him as a superstar.

It furthered the me against the world storyline. He was mentally defeated, but the crowd helped bring him back. First, the Authority constantly shitting on him, then the Wyatts controlling him. Truthfully, I don't know if I could take more Bryan vs. the Authority before it became too similar. It was a nice mini change of pace. He keeps getting these little victories, but everyone knows what the BIG one will be. I think it propels him back into the spotlight.

Not the greatest thing ever, but it was a nice ending to it.

No way they planned on sending him to the Wyatts, having it last 2 weeks and having him turn back on a Raw vs THE USOS?!

They turned him, realized the crowd didn't know how to react and they were killing his momentum and audibled real fast, just like when they turned Del Rio face and realized it sucked and made him heel again a few weeks later.

Try pulling that in EWR simulator and they will tell you how bad of an idea it is.

>No way they planned on sending him to the Wyatts, having it
>last 2 weeks and having him turn back on a Raw vs THE USOS?!
>
>They turned him, realized the crowd didn't know how to react
>and they were killing his momentum and audibled real fast,
>just like when they turned Del Rio face and realized it sucked
>and made him heel again a few weeks later.
>
>Try pulling that in EWR simulator and they will tell you how
>bad of an idea it is.

i'm glad he's back, and it was kinda funny to see crowds root for him in spite of the company wanting him to be a bad guy, but it's all their fault. i will say that the way it started was REALLY interesting, but then they fucked it up by not having them be a monster team. wyatts+bryan sounds unstoppable, but they became a group with a bunch of in-fighting who lost to easy opponents. plus bryan should have beat up someone that people cared about to get some heat (sorry usos).

My feeling all along was that he’d come back, I just didn’t think it would be this quick. It’s not like be betrayed someone and had a Wyatt Family tee-shirt on under his Yes! Shirt during a tag match or some shit. They beat him until he surrendered, and made him their sacrificial lamb after he joined. They beat him until he gave in, and continued beating him after he joined, so where exactly is the heel turn? We saw a Stockholm Syndrome story, not Breaking Bad.

The way they pulled him into the family didn’t scream “heel turn”, the time they had him in the family didn’t scream “he’s a heel now!”. In fact, even while he was a little more vicious in his matches, he still remained a sympathetic character, not because fans blindly cheered for him, but because he was still something of a victim.

>My feeling all along was that he’d come back, I just didn’t
>think it would be this quick.

I think they intended to get him legitimate heat for a while, then a couple months from now *TADA!* he was working undercover the whole time to get to bray and is still a good guy! Fans didn't buy into it, so they switched back earlier than they wanted. I think this because it's been a trend for the past few months. Big Show has forgotten that HHH distracted him during a title shot and still owns his house. Miz is heel, no he's face, no he's heel, etc. Their rate of abandonment is pretty high, so a storyline that lasts two weeks is not getting the benefit of the doubt from me.

Remember, he was still abused after he joined. Nothing he did fits the mold of a heel turn. He didn’t cut an X-Pac promo about how he Wyatts are here to destroy the WWE. He didn’t even appear excited to join. He was defeated. I watched a guy get tired of getting his ass kicked, and joined the guys he couldn’t beat. I watched him get emotionally and physically abused after he joined, so I had a hard time seeing him as a villain. Yes, as others have so astutely observed, the Wyatt’s are heels and he joined them. Wrestling 101 means that=heel, right?

The problem is the story that actually played out on screen didn’t bear that out. If they wanted to get heat on him, why not have him tag with Punk one last time? Have Bryan knocked out of the ring, the Wyatt’s beat down punk, Bryan comes in for the save with a chair and beats the shit out of Punk with it.

THAT’S a heel turn. That’s a villainous wretch. That’s a guy you loathe. Now, that exact scenario doesn’t have to play out, but that’s the general tone you take when you want to portray a guy as a heel. Austin not only hooked up with Vince, he beat the piss out of Rock with a chair. Heel turns are all about betrayal. Bryan never betrayed the fans, he simply surrendered to the guys beating his ass every week.

The story they told was Bryan basically surrendering to the enemy and developing some mild form of Stockholm Syndrome. That’s what we saw play out. He didn’t really do anything to draw heat other than join the group and wrestle faces and a more vicious style, but were his actions or words really those of a heel? To me, when I see him still taking Sister Abigail because he’s told told to, I don’t see him as a bad guy. I see him as a victim.

It’s entirely possible that they wanted him to be a full on heel turn, but nothing they did story wise actually supports that notion. If so, it’s the strangest attempt I’ve ever seen to turn someone heel. Again: you very well may be right. As you said, they’ve abandoned dozens of storylines in the last year alone. What actually played out in the ring didn’t tell the story of a guy turning heel. What I saw told a story of a man who surrendered to his tormentors, was still victimized after the fact, saw an opportunity, and took it.

Now, personally, they have a HUGE opportunity here with Kane.

People say it would be stupid to have Kane and Bryan wind up working together all along, but they’re only half right IMO. That’s an easy out to be sure, but remember, the Wyatts took Kane out last year. There are ways to pull that off, especially if Kane did this to help Bryan and did so of his own accord.

The Authority beat Bryan down during that time. Kane joins the Authority. Bryan’s enemies have been The Authority and The Wyatt’s. Bryan fighting The Machine head on got Bryan nowhere. Kane fighting the Wyatt’s got him nowhere, as did Bryan.

So….why couldn’t Kane have rolled with the Authority with a long term plan without Bryan knowing? To me, it’s a great idea to see a long con play out.

Also, another factor at play is that Taker is rumored to have handpicked Bryan for Mania, but there was also previous talk of Bray vs Taker for Mania. I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they found a way to tie all of these things together in some way.

or at least if he does have a part in this, it was just thrown in. i seem to remember him lightweight taunting bryan in the hallway a few weeks ago, right?

>The reborn moment couldn't have been scripted better with a
>crowd like that. It continues to establish him as a
>superstar.
>
>It furthered the me against the world storyline. He was
>mentally defeated, but the crowd helped bring him back. First,
>the Authority constantly shitting on him, then the Wyatts
>controlling him. Truthfully, I don't know if I could take more
>Bryan vs. the Authority before it became too similar. It was a
>nice mini change of pace. He keeps getting these little
>victories, but everyone knows what the BIG one will be. I
>think it propels him back into the spotlight.
>
>Not the greatest thing ever, but it was a nice ending to it.


I agree....

Which is all he wanted in the first place.

Alone in the cage with the Family locked outside unable to get in? It made me incredibly happy to see him finally get something after months of being screwed out of victories and continuous beatings.

>Which is all he wanted in the first place.
>
>Alone in the cage with the Family locked outside unable to get
>in? It made me incredibly happy to see him finally get
>something after months of being screwed out of victories and
>continuous beatings.
>
>

And I liked that Kane was the guy who helped him get to Bray without the rest of the Wyatts interfering. Just a small, but pretty cool, added touch there. Kudos to the crowd there tonight. That last five minutes or so was fantastic.

It accomplished several things:

-It pushed Bray and the Wyatt Family to the forefront and gave Bray another push toward his all-but-inevitable main event status.

-That ending was easily the most raucous ending in months. It ultimately put Bryan into that extremely rare Stone Cold class, where the fans will cheer for him no matter what. Part of me feels like the end game will result in him getting a legit title run and we'll look back on his last year as an incredible slow burner for him.I still think they ass fucked the Orton feud but this Wyatt program his been amazing.

-It's been an excellent vehicle to bring The Usos up several notches. The last three months or so for them have been huge. For that matter, it's helped to elevate the tag team scene. Bryan and Punk had some excellent matches together early during this Wyatt run, and now the Usos are getting a good rub. The Brotherhood and The Shield have also been instrumental in the currently white-hot string of tag matches, with the Brotherhood being the best thing since Miz and Morrison for the tag scene.

Basically Bryan has helped to elevate the status of 5 other guys during this run, and wound up in a position that re-emphasized his popularity in a major way. Whether the WWE is smart enough to keep pushing this train forward is another matter, but this Wyatt angle has been excellent for the entire ride. Tonight was a massive W for Bryan. Obviously if ratings dip for that last quarter, he'll be blamed, but there's NO denying the response of that crowd.

After 2 weeks they pulled the plug on it because it wasn't working right.

I'm not saying the crowd didn't love last night, or that they didnt have a good payoff by having him destroy Wyatt inside of the cage, but this was all short term fly by the seat of your pants planning and reacting.

Bryan was this over already, last night got a huge reaction, but it did not make him more over, he was pretty much max over. He got a huge reaction because payoff of a great feud gets a great reaction, it would have happened if he had stayed face or not once he finally got his hands on Wyatt and won.

We'll never know for sure, but I would bet a lot of money on a cage match vs the Usos on Raw 2 weeks before the Rumble is not where they planned to end this storyline when they had him join the Wyatt's 2 weeks ago.

Since when did something have to be planned to be good?

If it all works out in the end, does it matter if something is planned?

Let’s say it wasn’t working out and they knew it. Do you think they should have just kept trying to push a story that didn’t work? Do you honestly think it would be better to force a story that isn’t working just because you think it didn’t last long enough?

Further, at what point did Bryan ever show a real heel turn? It was all about him being defeated after weeks of beatings and finally deciding it would be better to just join them and stop getting his ass beat. Bryan joining the Wyatt’s was never a heel turn, it was surrender.

Either way….. really, who cares if this was the plan all along or not? Shouldn’t we be more interested in quality shows than whether or not things that happen in the show were part of the original plan? Last night was a damn good show, and both Bray/Bryan/Uso segments were excellent. How often do we see a show end on such a resounding note?


Further, it’s not about Bryan being bigger or more over as a result. Yes, we’ve seen moments like last night before with him, but that doesn’t lessen the greatness we saw last night. That was a memorable moment. Bray got elevated. The Wyatts have been elevated. The Usos have had a great spotlight put on them. Bryan has played a significant role in both, along with Punk to a lesser degree.

Personally, I don’t care about what the plan was or wasn’t. I care about watching a quality show and last night, I got a damn good one. To me, you’re watching in Smark mode, ignoring the fact that we saw entertaining matches with great storytelling. We saw months of him being broken down before he joined. Did we really need months of him being brainwashed for a breaking bad turn too?

No. The plan can kick rocks. They pulled off a great story last night with excellent matches to boot. What’s the problem?

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Daniel Bryan joined with the Wyatt's because he knew that in 2 weeks they would be given a rematch in a cage vs the Usos which they could lose and he could then take off his coveralls and beat up his nemesis. He just knew that would all happen so he fooled them? And he orchestrated it all with Kane?

Why would he not just ask his friend Kane to make a cage match vs Wyatt? I mean this is wrestling where a guy just announces there is a match and it happens.

This was not the plan, it wasn't. Was. Not. No. They pulled the plug on a longer term plan and ended it this way.

Just because he got a loud ass pop doesn't mean this 3 week storyline was well executed. He would have gotten a loud ass pop whenever he got his hands on the man he wanted to beat up because he is over as fuck and it is not because of a quick fake heel turn.

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Though, in this case I'd say the "S" stands for "smug", not "smart", because nothing about this entire story presented Bryan as a legit heel. We saw Bryan get tired of getting his ass kicked and join the guys doing the kicking so it would stop... except it didn't... so where was the heel turn again?

This storyline was a clear attempt to turn Daniel Bryan heel. The fans didn't take to it, or die down like WWE had hoped. So they corrected course, and last night was the result of that correction.

And it has to be said, before it's used yet again as an argumentative crutch: that thought didn't come from a "dirt sheet" or wrestling writer; that comes from watching 30 years of this shit play out.

(and btw, I need to address this other shit you're trying to pull about the use of the term "heel": there's no question that he was going to go back to being a babyface down the line. Stop trying to be cute with the "what heel turn?" question. This story was clearly planned to go past 2 weeks, and Daniel Bryan was supposed to be with the Wyatt family for longer than 2 weeks. The Wyatts are a heel group; Daniel Bryan was working as a heel. You should probably put two-and-two together, instead of trying to be cutesy with the "where was the heel turn?" strawmen).

And if you don't care, great. Just read past us. It really should be that simple. Replying to everyone isn't going to change anyone's mind, or dull anyone's knowledge, about what they saw.

Also, I don't recall anyone saying that they didn't enjoy what happened last night. The full shot of Daniel Bryan sitting on the cage with the crowd shouting "YES!" was awesome. We just know and commented that WWE started down one path then changed it. Not sure why it's so wrong to make that observation.

It's kinda weird - not to mention, annoying as fuck - that you guys are trying to turn people's thoughts on what was obviously a rushed storyline into some sort of (tired retread of an) classist, "GOD YOU SNOBBS ARE OVERTHINKING IT JUST SHUT UP AND ENJOY IT GOD!" issue. People's knowledge of shit and observations shouldn't cause this much consternation with you guys.

No one here is going to - nor should they have to - apologize for talking about the disastrous idea of having Daniel Bryan join the Wyatt family. It was a rushed and poorly-executed idea. Not sure why this observation can't co-exist with your IT WAS GREAT WHO CARES SMARKS! idea.

I'm also pretty sure that you're spoiling from some kind of fight about this that isn't going to happen. Because the bottom line is I, and we, are going continue making and discussing these things as we see fit. You guys can keep shouting down storyline and booking and news talk as much as you need to, but we're going to continue doing it.

And if I find out for sure what the story is with this, I'm going to return and report it. And you can either freak out about it in the hopes that we go away so we don't somehow further ruin your enjoyment of the show or whatever, or you can simply blow past it.

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>This storyline was a clear attempt to turn Daniel Bryan heel.
> The fans didn't take to it, or die down like WWE had hoped.
>So they corrected course, and last night was the result of
>that correction.

So you didn’t pay attention to the details and I did. That was already clear.

>And it has to be said, before it's used yet again as an
>argumentative crutch: that thought didn't come from a "dirt
>sheet" or wrestling writer; that comes from watching 30 years
>of this shit play out.

Argumentative crutch? That’s your entire steez and always has been. I find it amusing that you pull this out as a preemptory strike though, because you know good and well most of your expressed “opinions” are simply regurgitations from your time reading the opinions of others. It’s never been a crutch, it’s simply been the truth. Stop doing it, and it won’t get pointed out.

>(and btw, I need to address this other shit you're trying to
>pull about the use of the term "heel": there's no question
>that he was going to go back to being a babyface down the
>line. Stop trying to be cute with the "what heel turn?"
>question. This story was clearly planned to go past 2 weeks,
>and Daniel Bryan was supposed to be with the Wyatt family for
>longer than 2 weeks. The Wyatts are a heel group; Daniel
>Bryan was working as a heel. You should probably put
>two-and-two together, instead of trying to be cutesy with the
>"where was the heel turn?" strawmen).

You should probably look up the term straw man because that’s not an example of a straw man.

How do you know it was planned past two weeks? You might be right, but that’s your guess. You don’t know that it was a long term plan anymore than I know it was a short term plan. That’s just your guess. Unlike you, I looked at *how* they turned him and *what* went on during the turn and based my opinion on, oh, I dunno, what actually happened. You should try it some time. You don’t know what the plan was, but I do know what the actual story suggested.

>And if you don't care, great. Just read past us. It really
>should be that simple. Replying to everyone isn't going to
>change anyone's mind, or dull anyone's knowledge, about what
>they saw.

And you can read past me, can’t you? So either do it or quit your whining.

>Also, I don't recall anyone saying that they didn't enjoy what
>happened last night. The full shot of Daniel Bryan sitting on
>the cage with the crowd shouting "YES!" was awesome. We just
>know and commented that WWE started down one path then changed
>it. Not sure why it's so wrong to make that observation.

Let’s see: all we saw was whining about THIS WASN’T THE PLAN!!! We didn’t see “I sure enjoyed that.”

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>It's kinda weird - not to mention, annoying as fuck - that you
>guys are trying to turn people's thoughts on what was
>obviously a rushed storyline into some sort of (tired retread
>of an) classist, "GOD YOU SNOBBS ARE OVERTHINKING IT JUST SHUT
>UP AND ENJOY IT GOD!" issue. People's knowledge of shit and
>observations shouldn't cause this much consternation with you
>guys.

LOL. We disagree. We think you guys are grossly overreacting. We said as much. Basically you’re issue is that people actually have opinions that are contrary to yours, and said as much. End of story. If you don’t like it, stop posting on message boards, because that’s how this shit works.

>No one here is going to - nor should they have to - apologize
>for talking about the disastrous idea of having Daniel Bryan
>join the Wyatt family. It was a rushed and poorly-executed
>idea. Not sure why this observation can't co-exist with your
>IT WAS GREAT WHO CARES SMARKS! idea.

Where did I say those observations can’t co-exist with my own? It’s interesting that you make such a big deal out of my response and then spew this bullshit.

>I'm also pretty sure that you're spoiling from some kind of
>fight about this that isn't going to happen. Because the
>bottom line is I, and we, are going continue making and
>discussing these things as we see fit. You guys can keep
>shouting down storyline and booking and news talk as much as
>you need to, but we're going to continue doing it.

What fight?? This rant is hilarious. Nobody is telling you not to express your opinion. In fact, we’re just telling you what we think about your opinion. Odd that you can’t tell the difference, but then I’ve come to you.

>And if I find out for sure what the story is with this, I'm
>going to return and report it. And you can either freak out
>about it in the hopes that we go away so we don't somehow
>further ruin your enjoyment of the show or whatever, or you
>can simply blow past it.

Shrug. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. It’s really not a big deal to me. I’m actually open to the possibility that I’ve got it wrong. I’m guessing, and doing so based on what was actually on the screen. You’re throwing shots in the dark. You can also “blow past” my comments too, genius. Here you are talking about “freaking out” when all that’s happened is you were told your opinion reeks of a smug smark more than a an open, objective perspective.

>This storyline was a clear attempt to turn Daniel Bryan heel.
> The fans didn't take to it, or die down like WWE had hoped.
>So they corrected course, and last night was the result of
>that correction.

So you didn’t pay attention to the details and I did. That was already clear.

>And it has to be said, before it's used yet again as an
>argumentative crutch: that thought didn't come from a "dirt
>sheet" or wrestling writer; that comes from watching 30 years
>of this shit play out.

Argumentative crutch? That’s your entire steez and always has been. I find it amusing that you pull this out as a preemptory strike though, because you know good and well most of your expressed “opinions” are simply regurgitations from your time reading the opinions of others. It’s never been a crutch, it’s simply been the truth. Stop doing it, and it won’t get pointed out.

>(and btw, I need to address this other shit you're trying to
>pull about the use of the term "heel": there's no question
>that he was going to go back to being a babyface down the
>line. Stop trying to be cute with the "what heel turn?"
>question. This story was clearly planned to go past 2 weeks,
>and Daniel Bryan was supposed to be with the Wyatt family for
>longer than 2 weeks. The Wyatts are a heel group; Daniel
>Bryan was working as a heel. You should probably put
>two-and-two together, instead of trying to be cutesy with the
>"where was the heel turn?" strawmen).

You should probably look up the term straw man because that’s not an example of a straw man.

How do you know it was planned past two weeks? You might be right, but that’s your guess. You don’t know that it was a long term plan anymore than I know it was a short term plan. That’s just your guess. Unlike you, I looked at *how* they turned him and *what* went on during the turn and based my opinion on, oh, I dunno, what actually happened. You should try it some time. You don’t know what the plan was, but I do know what the actual story suggested.

>And if you don't care, great. Just read past us. It really
>should be that simple. Replying to everyone isn't going to
>change anyone's mind, or dull anyone's knowledge, about what
>they saw.

And you can read past me, can’t you? So either do it or quit your whining.

>Also, I don't recall anyone saying that they didn't enjoy what
>happened last night. The full shot of Daniel Bryan sitting on
>the cage with the crowd shouting "YES!" was awesome. We just
>know and commented that WWE started down one path then changed
>it. Not sure why it's so wrong to make that observation.

Let’s see: all we saw was whining about THIS WASN’T THE PLAN!!! We didn’t see “I sure enjoyed that.”

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>It's kinda weird - not to mention, annoying as fuck - that you
>guys are trying to turn people's thoughts on what was
>obviously a rushed storyline into some sort of (tired retread
>of an) classist, "GOD YOU SNOBBS ARE OVERTHINKING IT JUST SHUT
>UP AND ENJOY IT GOD!" issue. People's knowledge of shit and
>observations shouldn't cause this much consternation with you
>guys.

LOL. We disagree. We think you guys are grossly overreacting. We said as much. Basically you’re issue is that people actually have opinions that are contrary to yours, and said as much. End of story. If you don’t like it, stop posting on message boards, because that’s how this shit works.

>No one here is going to - nor should they have to - apologize
>for talking about the disastrous idea of having Daniel Bryan
>join the Wyatt family. It was a rushed and poorly-executed
>idea. Not sure why this observation can't co-exist with your
>IT WAS GREAT WHO CARES SMARKS! idea.

Where did I say those observations can’t co-exist with my own? It’s interesting that you make such a big deal out of my response and then spew this bullshit.

>I'm also pretty sure that you're spoiling from some kind of
>fight about this that isn't going to happen. Because the
>bottom line is I, and we, are going continue making and
>discussing these things as we see fit. You guys can keep
>shouting down storyline and booking and news talk as much as
>you need to, but we're going to continue doing it.

What fight?? This rant is hilarious. Nobody is telling you not to express your opinion. In fact, we’re just telling you what we think about your opinion. Odd that you can’t tell the difference, but then I’ve come to you.

>And if I find out for sure what the story is with this, I'm
>going to return and report it. And you can either freak out
>about it in the hopes that we go away so we don't somehow
>further ruin your enjoyment of the show or whatever, or you
>can simply blow past it.

Shrug. If I’m wrong, I’m wrong. It’s really not a big deal to me. I’m actually open to the possibility that I’ve got it wrong. I’m guessing, and doing so based on what was actually on the screen. You’re throwing shots in the dark. You can also “blow past” my comments too, genius. Here you are talking about “freaking out” when all that’s happened is you were told your opinion reeks of a smug smark more than a an open, objective perspective.

aka

I read not one word of that.

Keep battlin', tho!

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good...ness

stop trying to psycho-analyze everything. u got mad when he joined, now u're mad that he got his payback.

lol. relax.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

to begin with, rather than watch them cut it short in highly entertaining fashion.

All your other insults are petty

I just call it like I see it. I made a very respectfully disagreeable post that you completely ignored.

You seemed very mad to write it all out, I was not made mad enough to read it all or respond, I'm ok seeing it differently without having to write a dissertation why.

However you did say in your comment I replied to that they cut it short and made it good instead of cramming a bad story down my throat. This is what I said they did, you also said they did it. We agreed on that, it was not a snarky reply to say we agreed on it.

>You seemed very mad to write it all out,

Seriously? Mad because I wrote a thoughtful opinion and went in depth?

Riiiight. That makes perfect sense. The only reason for someone to do that is anger. That's such a rational response.

But that was not a conversation it was a long rant telling me how stupid and snarky I am and how right you are.

It involved a lot of capitals, exclamation points and the need to take every line I said and tell me word for word how bad my words were.

That's not a conversation dude, do you converse like that in real life?

>Daniel Bryan joined with the Wyatt's because he knew that in
>2 weeks they would be given a rematch in a cage vs the Usos
>which they could lose and he could then take off his coveralls
>and beat up his nemesis. He just knew that would all happen so
>he fooled them? And he orchestrated it all with Kane?

Why would he need to know that going in?
Is that really the only story to be told here?

Is everything in your life planned? Have you ever had an unexpected opportunity? The world is filled with chance encounters and opportunities that some capitalize on and opportunities some don’t capitalize on.

In this story, why does Bryan HAVE TO KNOW this would happen?

Can you give me a realistic reason within the framework of the story that prevents a the simpler explanation that he saw his opportunity and just took it?


>Why would he not just ask his friend Kane to make a cage match
>vs Wyatt? I mean this is wrestling where a guy just announces
>there is a match and it happens.

Ok. It’s pro wrestling. This can literally be done in any situation, ever, always. You can literally go to any storyline, ever, and pull this card. It’s a copout for something you simply don’t like.

I mean, since we’re nitpicking the shit out of storylines today, why the fuck didn’t WCW just get a restraining order against Hall and Nash? Problem solved, right?


>This was not the plan, it wasn't. Was. Not. No. They pulled
>the plug on a longer term plan and ended it this way.

And? Why are you so caught up in whether or not this was the plan? Do you realize how much great shit we wouldn’t have if everything always went according to plan?

I mean… Austin 3:16 wasn’t part of the plan. That wasn’t scripted.

OMG!!!! HE WENT OFF SCRIPT!! THAT WASN’T PART OF THE PLAN.

You don’t sound like a wrestling fan right now. You sound like a writer who’s pissed off because his idea got scrapped and something better happened. You sound like Vince, a control freak who’s pissed because they went off script and didn’t do what he told them to do. You don’t sound like a guy who likes to watch pro wrestling, because what we got last night was excellent regardless of “the plan”.

>Just because he got a loud ass pop doesn't mean this 3 week
>storyline was well executed. He would have gotten a loud ass
>pop whenever he got his hands on the man he wanted to beat up
>because he is over as fuck and it is not because of a quick
>fake heel turn.

Since when was it a heel turn? It was surrender. He didn’t turn his back on anyone, he waived the white flag. It’s not like he turned on someone. It’s not like he pulled an NAO (a well played seed to Punk’s Wrestlemania match with HHH, which I’m not excited about, but an excellent seed nonetheless) in a match with Punk and left him to get his own ass kicked. They abused him into submission. Whether you want to admit it or not, it’s much better storytelling to see him give up out of sheer exhaustion, join the flock, see an opportunity to escape, and pull the trigger.

It’s much better than simply letting him win. Honestly this is just smark shit and you’re so busy nitpicking this “SO I’M SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THAT HE KNEW HE’D HAVE THIS CAGE MATCH?“ thing to enjoy what was in fact a highly gripping pair of matches that ended in a great way for our hero.

It'd be weird, but that could be a way this abrupt change is explained, that Daniel Bryan and Kane were "in cahoots" the whole time, since, remember, Kane was the one who stipulated that the cage door be chained up and locked with only him having the key to unlock it

The only problem with that is that Kane's with The Authority

It'd be a bullshit explanation, but you know, who cares, the crowd was popping SO JUST SHUT UP AND ENJOY IT BITTER SNOB SMUG SMARKS, amirite?

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corporate? KANE? and the authorities henchmen, the shield took out his brother too. he could be giving a big F*ck You to both of them...

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

We all know how finnicky Vince is though, so who knows.

all banded together to secretly take down The Authority after what happened at Summer Slam

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would certainly behoove libertarian Glenn Jacobs' commercials for his eventual Senate run.

that friend also was taking out by said wyatts

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

that friend also was taking out by said wyatts

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

no other way of explaining why so soon...they executed it well though...really well...i had a ticket to that RAW and i couldn't go...ended up being a pretty good show...

and stop trying to analyze shit like you're a fucking booker/journalist. people SWORE HHH was "burying" DB and that WWE didn't know what it was doing.. it's like when vice was making people kiss his ass, u knew somewhere down the line, he was gonna get his retribution. did u see that crowd POP?


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

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I would not be surprised if Bryan enters the rumble early and wins.

I’m not mad at getting such a fantastic moment on Raw but that would have been an enduring Rumble moment.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Like some sort of pre-advertising of the product before the Network goes online...

... they trying to get mega bucks for their TV deals when their situation is up with NBC Universal. They putting it all out there, hence why the RAWs after PPVs are usually better than the PPVs itself (atleast in my opinion). They're trying to get that viewership up to get that NASCAR type money since they draw the same type of ratings in numbers.

https://twitter.com/Ryback22

Ryan Reeves ‏@Ryback22 2h
Dear internet I reach out to you. You guys seem to know it all. How do I become a better wrestler. Please stop holding this info from me.

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2014/0111/569152/ryback-comments-on-dolph-ziggler-concussion/

And then claiming he'd been released.

I have some sympathy for him, but you know, don't work so stiff.

Fucking idiot.

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He's got zero social media savvy.

but it must be pissing off WWE. hence all the deleted tweets.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

this is the craziest it's ever been, of course.

kinda miss the backstage bully angle he was doing for a minute.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/8a13e3aa3558e41e550c22a1985bfabf/tumblr_mzdi61RWN21rnjfjfo1_r1_400.gif

fucking hilarious hahahah

What show should pop up first on the schedule at 11:05 on 2/24?

I say it should be the first WrestleMania

And I know, music rights and shit, but since they're touting that everything will air uncut and uncensored (don't bet on it), it should be the complete show as it aired in 1985, complete with Vince McMahon doing the card voice-over to "Easy Lover"

I'm going to pitch to Vince that he should do the exact same thing for WM 30, with the same music (fuck being cheap, Vince, plunk down for the rights)

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then it turned into this:

http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/2009351/SEj3OoR.gif

Infectious as shit

Which, of course, means that Vince's gonna find a way to fuck it up, like, "At WrestleMania, we're gonna have the World's Largest YES! Party! We're gonna break the world record for people saying YES! in one place!"

Or some dumb shit like that

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the E can't fuck this one up.

..balanced out of course by orton going after cena's dad. kofi got over and orton didn't really lose any heat. good booking.

new age outlaws snubbing/turning on punk was pretty good too.

also, LOL @ at the possibilities where jim helwig might go with his HOF speech.

and sandow/cena had another good one, but i want sandow to actually get some momentum after this.

Hopefully they run with his Legacy gimmick where he spoke normal rocked a wife beater, and trashed Orton’s car. If they can get him to expand his move set beyond jumping really high and coming down with a tomahawk, I’d be geeked.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Cool move, but that shit ain't finished nobody

Psychology is really important here.

In the cage, Wyatt got on his knees and offered himself up to Bryan. Instead, Bryan looked to the crowd who were in his corner so Wyatt called him a coward and charged at him. Not until that point does Bryan make a move on Wyatt... when he is being attacked.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Wyatt talks a big game about the machine but he's not going to change the system or bring a different way of doing things to the WWE. In fact he's worse because he's a brainwashing fake prophet instead of a manipulative power broker (HHH).

He's not the bigger heel, Bray Wyatt. Just more hypocritical and dangerous.

I can definitely see an alliance of The Wyatt Family and The Authority coming to pass.

Not sure how good the source is but damn if this is true.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/444981-daniel-bryan-suffers-concussion-on-monday-night-raw-this-week

WWE Superstar Daniel Bryan suffered a concussion on this Monday's episode of Raw, according to SEScoops.com. The article claims that Bryan suffered the concussion early into his steel cage tag team match against The Usos, and he doesn't remember much about the night.

At this time, no one from WWE including Bryan has commented on the potential injury, but he is not expected to compete at tonight's WWE Live event in Worcester, Massachusetts.

Highly-entertaining "old broad"

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Ideally, they'd pick up the tab for her expenses as well.

The Michigan State YES! chant was a big factor.

... I'd mark the fu*k out. Met dude and he's humble as pie. Duke only took the time to take a pic with my kid and someone else's. Stand up guy.

HE could definitely be written in on some swerve shit but I doubt he gets significant tick in the RR if they even put him in it now.

Only problems with that are that they did those rematches after SummerSlam, and it messes up the reported promised title run that Batista's supposed to be getting

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furthermore, Bryan's the only person Taker could fight that people would remotely even consider him losing to

but they want it to be Brock/Taker

And, call me crazy, but I think Daniel Bryan MIGHT just win against the Undertaker.

He basically said Taker might have chosen Bryan not just because he thinks it’s a great match, but possibly to be the guy to end the streak. He brought up Andre and Hogan, and how nobody went over on Andre unless Andre wanted them to. Hogan doesn’t slam Andre, much less go over, without Andre’s blessing. He thinks Taker may be trying to do the same with Bryan, to give him the rub WWE doesn’t seem willing to do.

Considering all the shoots I’ve listened to where Taker’s name is mentioned along with things I’ve read about his general reputation, it’s a believable possibility. Nobody ever has a bad word to say about Mark. They talk about dude with the fond reverence a son has toward a stern but loving father.

The Streak is arguably a more prestigious win than the WWE title, and Bryan has proven time and again he’s worthy of such an honor. Conventional wisdom has always seemed to be that the Streak should either remain unbroken, or be used to launch someone else into the stratosphere. Shawn and Hunter were too old to make business sense. Punk had already ascended. Bryan is the perfect guy to end the Streak, as the actual payoff for such a move could be huge.
At any rate, I can’t imagine them telling Taker “no” to his chosen Mania opponent and it’s odd to me that there would even be resistance. I just don’t get it. Hunter is basically running shit and Bryan is more or less a Shawn Michaels product.

Hunter and Shawn are the best of friends. Shawn was so fucking great a performer that he got away with an insane level of shenanigans to the degree that Vince himself said he wouldn’t put up with that shit from anyone else. He’s always been a darling of Vince. Granted, some of that stemmed from Shawn being on top during a down time with limited options, so he probably got some extra rope to hang himself with until Steve and Rock steamrolled their way to the top.

So given that history, why didn’t they kayfabe the shit out of that HBK lineage? They had a chance to play up Hunters Boy vs Shawn’s boy back in October, then shit the bed with it. You could still sell it though. The Kliq. DX. HBK. Hell, they could still spotlight the old man and sell Daniel Bryan is the byproduct of Shawn’s greatness! Why the fuck is Bryan not benefitting from that nepotism? Still, even if that history with Shawn, who is perhaps the most revered star in WWE after the Holy Trinity and possibly Taker, shouldn’t Taker’s desire to wrestle Bryan for Mania tip the scale?

Hell, between Shawn and Hunter, they account for like 25% of all of Takers Mania bodies. Taker retired Shawn. There’s a million ways to sell the match and incorporate retired stars the way they’ve been prone to do in recent years. Bryan is white hot. Sure, they hot-footed the Wyatt angle but it wound up working out perfectly well and “Yes!” is a big deal. Pull the fucking trigger for either the title or the Streak at Mania already. It’s time.

Completely agree about Taker - I don't imagine it was ever him specifically lobbying for the streak to remain intact and if he thought it was the right thing, I can totally see him having it end without a word of protest.

But I dunno man, that's a tough call for anyone to make - you can only end that streak once and it might be something they regret doing afterwards forever. Safer to leave it intact.

I think the stars have aligned for the DB era and I think him taking the title cleanly at Wrestlemania would be the best thing for him as fans are literally salivating to see it happen, but him ending the streak...?! I can see it playing out in my head - him getting the pin on Taker, the crowd's initial screams of joy... before they pause and process what they've just seen. I think it would be as close to silence as a finish of that magnitude could have.

BROTHER

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"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/grantland/player?id=10304309

theory

They're conveniently forgetting that the person who has the final say on everything is Vince

And as much as a visionary as he once was, I'm pretty sure he ain't thought of no scenarios where they can effectively use "the Internet's knowledge/pseudo-knowlege" of what's going on behind the scenes against us.

Sounds like a grip of political plea copping in order to protect certain relationships

And the bottom line is the Daniel Bryan heel turn idea was poorly thought out and they rightly cut bait on it before it flopped even further in the eyes of the audience

That shit wasn't by design, no matter how many pleas these guys cop about it

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um...aight. this supposed to make us want to watch the Rumble?

And I'm going to the damn thing

Terrible build for the world title match

Terrible build for the tag title match- I used to mark hard for NAO but what are they 50?

NO Build at all for Rumble except for Batista, they seem to be making it pretty clear he is winning which is awful in my opinion. The only other Rumble storyline is Punk vs Kane, there are usually 4 or 5 good story lines in the Rumble.

Wyatt and Bryan is the only interesting part of the Rumble, but it's also depressing because Bryan clearly isn't winning.

That shit was pure pandemonium

Granted, pretty much anything involving these players has been absolute money since about October, but this one was on some other shit. The last 60 seconds or so was fucking absurd, and there's a spot with Reigns and Cody that looks like it came right out of a fucking summer superhero flick.

Batista's return was.... boring and uneventful thus far. As an aside, what the fuck was dude wearing? Dude rolled up n skinny jeans talking I'm BACK, DEAL WITH IT! Orton's opening promo was money, as was Stef, and the whole thing took a.... wait for it.... nose dive (ha!) the second he opened his mouth.

Bryan's on screen to his usual white hot crowd, so overall this is an excellent start to the go home show. I'll probably check out after Punk and Heyman segments though.

>That shit was pure pandemonium
>
>Granted, pretty much anything involving these players has been
>absolute money since about October, but this one was on some
>other shit. The last 60 seconds or so was fucking absurd, and
>there's a spot with Reigns and Cody that looks like it came
>right out of a fucking summer superhero flick.
>

It was so great. And yeah, that Reigns/Cody spot looking like a superhero movie is the perfect way to describe it. It was nuts. And while Reigns' spear always looks great, I think Rollins might have my favorite looking finisher right now. He makes it look like he fucking destroys dudes with that thing.

Also, did I see that Cody and Goldust are defending the tag belts in the preshow against the New Age Outlaws at Rumble? That sucks. Cody and Goldust are in the Rumble, I believe, so they'll presumably get to do some cool shit during the show, but I was kind of bummed out when I saw that title match flash across the screen tonight.

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I dunno, but they need a new name for that. Hell, they can just call it… Roman Reigns. That shit would be kind of dope. A move so cold and devastating that it embodies the bare essence of it’s user completely, on some “it’s not what I do, it’s who I am.” steeze. Superman Punch is cool but rebrand that shit for the character.

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Makes it look that much crazier

Making it 100% chance Batista wins

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/446539-backstage-news-on-daniel-bryan-plans-for-him-at-royal-rumble

but I'm starting to get a bad feeling that your title match at Mania 30 is Cena v Lesnar v Batista v Orton...a four way featuring the 4 guys who were supposed to carry the company from WM20 to this Wrestlemania all along. Plans changed obviously. But the WWE has always been very proud of having discovered these 4 guys and bringing them up through OVW. I'm not interested in it, but it wouldn't surprise me.

i'd root for lesnar to actually break them all in half.

Only, I'd say sub in Shamus for Cena. That's a Hoss Fight wet dream.

cause they're not having many people who have their own matches earlier in the night, but it feels like one of those things they'd feed the internet just to throw people off. and if he's healthy enough to have his own match, he's healthy enough to be the 30th entrant and work a few minutes, so they'd have no reason to throw him in even if they're gonna have him lose.

Maybe they're milking the last morsel of Daniel Bryan disbelief they have left and he's set for a triumphant Rumble showing after all.

I think Vince pulling the trigger early on the Bryan/Wyatt angle is ultimately a strong sign that they finally realize how valuable he is. That Yes! chant breaking out at a college game was what sealed the deal from what I've read, and Vince is currently high on him.

I think the long ball here ends with Bryan getting a legit title run in somwhere between now and Summer Slam.

That Yes chant at the game and the reaction when he was in the cage last week showed Vince how valuable he is.

Only one thing left to do now, run the Yes! into the ground Fandangoing style.

Perhaps we'll get Lawler in the ring talking about how big the Yes chant is and telling everyone to do it.

>Only one thing left to do now, run the Yes! into the ground
>Fandangoing style.

so I feel like it still has some staying power if it survived that.

Most of you will talk about how terrible he is once he actually gets over and stays over for more than a few months anyways.

Every good thing has a limit where you've had enough of it.

Be it a song, a catch phrase or a wrestler. Eventually things wear thin if they are given to you too often. Stop trying to paint people as bitter smarks because they may grow tired of something eventually.

That tendency does exist for some people in very fickle fashion, but I have no reason to think you're that fickle. I was just being a smart ass.

alright, I've made my mind up...

Daniel Bryan is your 2014 Royal Rumble winner.

This is all a carefully plotted scheme to lead us all one way then jerk us back in the opposite direction when his music hits at entry number, like, 30 or something...

Because he's friends with Kane all along right!?! Kane put him in the cage with the Usos and Wyatt so that the other two Wyatt guys couldn't interfere! And Kane is going to throw him a bone here too right!?! And this "will he or won't he compete" stuff is really just a maguffin to leave you in disbelief right!?! RIGHT???

Look I just have a hard time believing they would want anyone else winning more than they would want Daniel Bryan. No one else makes nearly as much sense. They've got about 3 guys on that entire roster that are genuinely adored, and he's one of them. They stroke their dicks all the time about "Wrestlemania Moments"...well boys and girls there's a Hogan-slamming-Andre moment waiting for you at Wrestlemania when you get 85,000 people chanting YES after Daniel Bryan wins the title.

It's the practical thing to do and it's the right thing to do and they're going to finally do it. The last few weeks are a mirage. Daniel Bryan is winning the Royal Rumble.

I personally think they pulled out a fantastic audible and the inclusion of Kane in that mix gave them a plausible way to sell it. You’re right about the Mania Moment, because the pop for a Bryan title win at Wrestlemania will most likely rival anything we’ve ever seen.

I disagree with one writer who said that a Bryan win over Taker would result in crickets, because the moment that followed would outshine the HHH/HBK/Taker walk off moment. Taker would probably do his kneel and put Bryan over in a big way afterward. Yes! Chants would still dominate the arena.

So while I think we all prefer the title, giving him The Streak would basically be a 1A moment to the title win 1.

That said, the dreamer in me agrees with you that they’ll put Bryan over at the Rumble. Part of me feels the concussion was an elaborate, close-to-the-vest work, ala Owen Hart’s enzuguri on HBK, with only Vince, Hunter, Stef, and Bryan knowing about it and was done as a direct result of the Michigan state chant. Hopefully they realize he’s as near a can’t miss prospect as can be had right now and a RR win followed by a WM title win is long term money.

There’s a perspective that says there’s more money in the chase, but that’s only short term. After awhile people will grow tired of the chase and will lose interest and ultimately money in the process. The time is ripe to give him a massive push and an honest shot to see if he can do it.

>I disagree with one writer who said that a Bryan win over
>Taker would result in crickets,

it was one of those "contributor network" type of blogs. Basically Bleacher Report type of shit that amounts to a speculative opinion posted in a forum, and nothing that should be published as an actual article, much less read by anyone. Shame on me for falling for a headline. He said that it would result in the quietest finish ever or some shit, and people wouldn't know how to react.

I meant it in a good way though - just this stunned silence that someone ended the streak, as opposed to anger it was Bryan. I just don't think anyone actually expects the streak to end so I can almost see the awestruck respectful silence as people slowly digested it.

>I meant it in a good way though - just this stunned silence
>that someone ended the streak, as opposed to anger it was
>Bryan. I just don't think anyone actually expects the streak
>to end so I can almost see the awestruck respectful silence as
>people slowly digested it.

I don't see it. It's the one perfect scenario where people would go nuts for the end of the streak. Taker would no doubt perform some show of respect to Bryan and that moment would blow the roof off. I'm with Tiger Woods in that Bryan winning the title is probably the better overall moment, but that's by a few hairs IMO.

I think the end of the streak would have to result in Taker's official retirement - it wouldn't make any sense him continuing to wrestle beyond that match much less go on to another Mania afterwards so if that's where he's at, then a part of me says 'go for it'. I get goosebumps thinking about the streak ending - what an incredible thing that would be for Taker to hand that moment to Bryan. And you're right, Bryan is the ONLY person on the roster that people would actually celebrate having ended it.

Also, like you say, the stars are so perfectly aligned for Bryan to take that title now - the WM moment would be epic for him and too good to pass up.

but they keep making me think they'll do the right thing and then fuck it up, so I have to pick batista. my other predictions are punk will get screwed, reigns will look impressive (and throw out ambrose), and kofi will have another crazy spot (what else could they come up with? i'm dying to see).

as someone else said, the only wrestlemania consolation prize is bryan vs. undertaker. so i won't be mad if they do that, but i don't have much faith in that either.

i will say that it's miraculous he's come back from what was rumored to be a serious concussion. that must have been faked to throw us off, right? i mean ziggler isn't even back yet.

Them having just one World title hurts CM Punk and Daniel Bryan from getting a shot...

I would love to see CM Punk run the gauntlet but its pretty much a done deal that he's facing Triple H at Mania 30...

Batista winning the rumble does nothing at all in my opinion...they have time to fix this...maybe put Batista's title shot on the line at Elimination Chamber???

He's certainly now afforded the respect he used to crave but I wonder if he's been happy with his run of feuds over the last year or if he's pissed about his absense within the title picture.

but I don't have a clue what he'd do at Wrestlemania if he didn't compete for the championship...maybe 3 on 1 against the Shield? I honestly don't know. Big Show and Batista vs the Shield or Wyatts? Zzzzz. Honestly I even like Batista but I just don't know who he'd face that would make me especially interested.

Edit:

UNLESS!!!

Unless Sting really does come through as rumored and he gets Taker, then Batista gets Lesnar. That'd be tight.

You'd then be looking at

Orton v Bryan
Taker v Sting
Punk v Triple H
Batista v Lesnar

woa...

Bryan vs Taker
Hunter vs Punk (w/Vince)

I'd buy Shamus vs Orton for the title, because Shamus is an excellent worker despite his cheesy personality as a face. Seriously, he never has a bad match. His worst matches are “pretty good” and his best matches are usually “well god damn.” Also, despite the apparent IWC hatred for Orton, he’s an excellent worker in his own right and a top notch heel.

That’s an extremely top heavy top 4, and that’s all without Cena. Put him and, say, The Rhodes Brothers in a six man tag vs The Shield, and that’s an outstanding card that practically guarantees two out and out classics and three excellent ones.

Not for the win, but to produce a stellar match. Bray or Reigns might work in that spot too. Anything to keep Brock out of that match, because otherwise you'd have to do Cena/Batista/Orton for the strap, which works.... but it doesn't really get that pop you'd get with Brock in there.

Either way, there’s a shit ton of potential with this year’s Mania considering the options at hand. It’s been a long time since the WWE sported so many white-hot commodities at once. Punk, Bryan, The Rhodes Brothers, The Shield, The Wyatt Family, and (to a lesser, but still significant extent) The Usos, and the explosive, physical presence of Big E make for an intriguing set of options.

Put them along with that old guard of Cena/Brock/Orton/Batista/Taker/Hunter/NOA, the inevitable return of Jericho, and the card looks great.

Granted, I thought last year was going to be phenomenal and only half of the show lived up to it’s potential. This year looks flat out amazing though.

Now it feels like there are only 2 or 3 options each year...

Way back at the beginning it definitely did, but that was aided by you being younger, the internet not existing, there not being much live wrestling on TV, and them not hammering home future story lines until you can predict every step.

I have the feeling if those old Rumbles happened today with our age and access and the same participants we would know the winner of almost all of them well in advance.

The most obvious Rumble Winner of all time remains Benoit the year he drew #1 ahead of time and was clearly getting the push to win the whole thing. This one sucked extra hard because you knew hew as coming in 1 so there was no surprise whatsoever about it. My friends and I do a rumble pool every year where we draw numbers 1-30 and get a few depending on how many of us there are. I remember this year was so not fun because we knew who ever drew 1 won, the entire fun and suspense of the game ended as soon as someone picked it before the match started.

Honestly the years where there are 2 or 3 possible winners are better than it has been recently where it seems the winner is almost always painfully obvious, even the last time Batista won it was painfully obvious it was going to be him.

(remember, as of right now, neither Bray nor Daniel Bryan is scheduled for the Rumble match)

Anyway, they will sacrifice the win to Bray, Daniel Bryan will say this is not right and challenge him to a match at Elimination Chamber with the title shot on the line

Daniel Bryan wins that match and goes on to win the belt at Mania

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Did I read that Batista is back? How/when did that happen?

Which is Sunday.

Given the timing, it's apparent this was intended to be a surprise during the Rumble. But about a month ago the news of his return leaked by accident to a newspaper in Las Vegas promoting his appearing at an upcoming WWE show out there. Major F up on the marketing dept.

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I mean other than the big money match against Taker, then what?

Um...can he actually still work at all?

damn...

>Um...can he actually still work at all?

He's limited but can still do all of his spots and you know the match layout would be awesome. And don't even start me on the marking out I'll do if they play up his history with Warrior (who is going into the hall this year...hmm).

The problem I see is that they'd have to get Sting some serious WWE work (and wins) in between now and Mania to cement his offense (and his general 'hey bitch, this is Sting) to the folks who don't remember/know him from 15-20 years ago. And it'll be clear from that run that Sting is a bit limited compared to the flat out monster workers they have on the roster right now. And Steve hasn't worked any major/important/heavy work type of matches in quite some time if you ask me.

I'd honestly be surprised if this really happens. Even if not, this Mania season is shaping up damn nice.

Worse than Rocky's

Yikes

I've never seen a crowd so incredibly deflated in my life

While on the Titantron after the show went off the air, Batista gestured to a fan who was booing him that he could break him in half, flipped him off, and did the "Yes!" chant at the top of the ramp with his middle fingers up instead of index fingers.

Dammit, Vince, I understand you thought Bryan was the reason for low buyrates during the fall PPVs, and you probably wanted someone proven going into WM30, but anyone would've been better than Batista.



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