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rdhull
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"there's some whores in this house (Grammys)"


  

          

lol at WAP/Trevor Noah

  

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Made it through the opening acts
Mar 15th 2021
1
Seen
Mar 18th 2021
108
Bey should've gotten off her high horse and performed with her
Mar 15th 2021
2
smh....y'alls hate for Black women knows no bounds.....
Mar 15th 2021
3
For wanting to see her perform a song that she made?
Mar 15th 2021
6
      for the "high horse" remark... maybe the money wasn't right
Mar 15th 2021
8
           ^^^^ At this point in her career she doesn't need a performance at
Mar 15th 2021
12
                I get that and I also feel like because of that she could've let Megan.....
Mar 15th 2021
21
                     why see it as "Stealing shine" instead of supporting a peer?
Mar 15th 2021
24
                     Yeah I'm confused - it would be seen as petty as heck if she didn't
Mar 15th 2021
26
                     why does everything you say have the pettiest possible bent?
Mar 15th 2021
42
                          maybe you just read and overreact that way
Mar 15th 2021
46
                               right cuz the problem can't possibly be you LOL
Mar 16th 2021
52
                                    ditto
Mar 16th 2021
55
dude shut the fuck up.
Mar 15th 2021
10
no, you
Mar 15th 2021
22
Nah, that $hit was awkward...I don't know if she's on a high horse
Mar 19th 2021
122
      RE: Nah, that $hit was awkward...I don't know if she's on a high horse
Mar 19th 2021
134
Pre-taped performances >>>>
Mar 15th 2021
4
I wish there were more awards given out live
Mar 15th 2021
5
My mother when verse two of Silk Sonic's song started:
Mar 15th 2021
7
Sounds a lot like what Mayer Hawthorne has been doing for a while
Mar 15th 2021
18
I wanted to like it a lot more than I actually did
Mar 15th 2021
36
      RE: I wanted to like it a lot more than I actually did
Mar 17th 2021
78
Now, despite my reply above... I do have issues with WAP being
Mar 15th 2021
9
*eyeroll*
Mar 15th 2021
11
that's not what I wrote...at ALL..... reread and tuck your outrage....I'...
Mar 15th 2021
14
this the most old man saying get off my lawn post lol
Mar 15th 2021
13
I mean, the older I get and the older my kids get, i'ma say old man shit...
Mar 15th 2021
15
      its cliche' tho..every gen can and does say this
Mar 15th 2021
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           meh, I don't have time to argue it today. I'll just say, I don't know an...
Mar 15th 2021
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                RE: meh, I don't have time to argue it today. I'll just say, I don't kno...
Mar 15th 2021
19
                     I say there are no channels...your response is "Simply change the channe...
Mar 15th 2021
20
                     What is the equivalent of "radio" music today though?
Mar 15th 2021
25
                          That's just the issue I state in #17....
Mar 15th 2021
28
                               I definitely get it. But the issue you're referencing is around the
Mar 15th 2021
32
                                    No, it's more about the available platforms than the medium....
Mar 15th 2021
34
                     to try to pretend that today's radio music is not more explicit is a jok...
Mar 15th 2021
23
                          who's saying its not?
Mar 15th 2021
27
                               none of that shit was on the grammys....that i'm aware of anyway....
Mar 15th 2021
29
                               to top it off...the person that actually WROTE the song flat out said it...
Mar 15th 2021
30
                                    these people trippin..
Mar 15th 2021
31
                                         I didn't know Darling Nikki was even a song until I got home from Peache...
Mar 15th 2021
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                                         LOL my old man moment was Rihanna and Wale's "Bad"...in 2013...when I wa...
Mar 15th 2021
35
                                         eh bed noises on a track are a proven winner
Mar 15th 2021
43
                                         Exactly! Black music oversexualizes girls,
Mar 15th 2021
37
                                         ehh.. no. Its all music.
Mar 15th 2021
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                                         RE: Exactly! Black music oversexualizes girls,
Mar 16th 2021
49
                                         right I remember having an old man moment about a year and a half ago...
Mar 15th 2021
47
                                              breh, I heard a Tank song on my commute to work
Mar 16th 2021
48
                                                   RE: breh, I heard a Tank song on my commute to work
Mar 16th 2021
50
                                                        that messed me up too lol...
Mar 16th 2021
51
i feel you on that
Mar 15th 2021
44
Most importantly: Thundercat won!!!
Mar 15th 2021
38
Nas got the rap album
Mar 15th 2021
40
his Pacino lifetime achievement one
Mar 15th 2021
41
The lip sync was pretty terrible lol
Mar 15th 2021
45
I so don't mind being the old man complaining about the kids
Mar 16th 2021
53
I wear it like a badge
Mar 16th 2021
54
You are 100% tight with the while lib shit when it comes to WAP
Mar 17th 2021
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RE: You are 100% tight with the while lib shit when it comes to WAP
Mar 17th 2021
63
right with the white lib shit*
Mar 17th 2021
65
I still haven't figured out what's empowering about it.....i just can't....
Mar 17th 2021
67
      I can't take any, "women being as terrible as terrible men = empowerment...
Mar 17th 2021
75
      damn.. that’s a powerful statement
Mar 19th 2021
114
      it isn't for you to figure out. you're not a woman
Mar 17th 2021
77
      Should a father care or try to understand what his daughter...
Mar 17th 2021
79
      no, we should let NPR and white execs tell us
Mar 18th 2021
85
           RE: no, we should let NPR and white execs tell us
Mar 18th 2021
86
      I'm a Black man with a Black wife and 2 Black daughters. Yes, I do need
Mar 18th 2021
80
      yeah, the fuck is she talking about. I’m raising 2 Black daughters
Mar 18th 2021
82
      this is some “cause I said so” lazy bullshit
Mar 19th 2021
115
      All I know is any man clutching his pearls about WAP better have
Mar 18th 2021
88
           The issue isn't WAP. The issue has been pretty clearly stated throughout
Mar 18th 2021
90
           Stop it. A quote from the song is literally the title and it's named
Mar 18th 2021
92
                No, please follow the links below.... the discussion has never been
Mar 18th 2021
93
                Ok, now you're just lying. In #67 You literally said "I still haven't
Mar 18th 2021
96
                     addressed in post #98. looks like we're typing at the same time....
Mar 18th 2021
99
                Regarding the empowerment issue...I specifically questioned that because
Mar 18th 2021
98
                     Right. But this is why I said:
Mar 18th 2021
102
                          No one is this post said it WAS cool for men to do it...that's not even ...
Mar 18th 2021
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                               RE: No one is this post said it WAS cool for men to do it...that's not e...
Mar 18th 2021
107
                               Good points... I hadn't thought to look at their charts
Mar 19th 2021
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                                    It's not a good point because it's not an argument I was making....
Mar 19th 2021
125
                                         Lol ok
Mar 19th 2021
129
                               It's disingenuous tho to suggest sexually explicit music by male rappers
Mar 19th 2021
119
                                    So you're moving goalposts AND "...but not me'ing" ????? smh...
Mar 19th 2021
126
                                         How did I move goal posts?
Mar 19th 2021
128
           Direct links to what the poast is about:
Mar 18th 2021
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           I'm good actually, I can follow just fine what the post is about.
Mar 18th 2021
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                But you're not good though, you're framing a discussion based on your
Mar 18th 2021
95
                     Ok Mr. Black Women Are Indeed My Lane, what is the flaw and bias
Mar 18th 2021
100
                          Your interpretation of my statement was that I had an issue with the son...
Mar 18th 2021
105
                               I hear you. But I think this goes back to what Damali was saying
Mar 19th 2021
120
                                    But it doesn't, because it completely dismisses a very clear connection
Mar 19th 2021
127
                                         I understand where you're coming from. But I literally did the opposite
Mar 19th 2021
135
           who said any of those records by men were empowering
Mar 18th 2021
101
                I personally don't care re:anthem lol, like I said I'm actually neutral
Mar 18th 2021
103
                     It should be questioned
Mar 18th 2021
106
                     Nah, they're getting flack lol
Mar 19th 2021
121
                     but most of the flack is at the celebration of the song
Mar 18th 2021
110
                          Lol nah, like I said to Fluidj above... it's def a mixed response lol
Mar 19th 2021
123
                               This made me catch the holy ghost.
Mar 22nd 2021
136
These are great points
Mar 17th 2021
64
do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can ignore?
Mar 16th 2021
56
WAP makes me feel like C Delores Tucker was right
Mar 17th 2021
57
RE: do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can igno...
Mar 17th 2021
58
^^^old man yelling at clouds
Mar 17th 2021
60
Remember, if you don't liek something you're "too old"
Mar 17th 2021
61
LOL
Mar 17th 2021
69
Its a bop.
Mar 17th 2021
62
right lol...
Mar 17th 2021
68
it slaps. i cant lie
Mar 17th 2021
66
it does
Mar 17th 2021
70
my kid loves it... but she also loves MC Lyte & Queen Latifah...
Mar 17th 2021
71
wait.. what?
Mar 18th 2021
81
      Cap
Mar 18th 2021
83
      white guy
Mar 18th 2021
84
      did you think kids weren't listening to pop music?
Mar 18th 2021
111
           yes, and that os the issue some of us have with todays music
Mar 19th 2021
116
                i should have specified it's the "clean" versions....
Mar 19th 2021
133
                     clean version? how does that work? lmao
Mar 22nd 2021
137
                          RE: clean version? how does that work? lmao
Mar 22nd 2021
138
                          there IS a clean version of Akinyele "put it in YOUR mouth" lmao..
Mar 22nd 2021
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                               breh.. aint shit clean about the clean version
Mar 23rd 2021
141
It makes for good photo shoot music/gets Ladies pretty hype
Mar 17th 2021
73
it's dope to me
Mar 18th 2021
97
RE: do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can igno...
Mar 18th 2021
109
I didn't even know Body Count put out an album last year
Mar 17th 2021
72
Like 63 year old Ice T's Body Count?
Mar 17th 2021
74
      Yes that fella
Mar 17th 2021
76
Welp, just heard about our first HR complaint
Mar 18th 2021
87
I hope he asked HR why they hate Black women
Mar 18th 2021
89
The songs aren't worst but the radio is definitely "worst" these days.
Mar 18th 2021
112
I'm all of 36
Mar 19th 2021
113
OK, I have never heard "Throat Baby"
Mar 19th 2021
117
      man this makes WAP sound like a nursery rhyme lol...
Mar 19th 2021
130
      its catchy and people like giving/getting good head
Mar 19th 2021
132
           lmao..
Mar 23rd 2021
140
Now see, I actually think this Pop Smoke song + video is waaay more
Mar 19th 2021
124
      Yeah that song is trash too. Shouldn't be on the radio.
Mar 19th 2021
131
Is this the male equivalent of stripper rap?
Apr 22nd 2021
142
man that Beat Box joint goes hard, all 4 versions, Mulatto's might be...
Apr 22nd 2021
143

bentagain
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1. "Made it through the opening acts"
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I recorded it...so I'll finish watching it at some point

But the first 3 acts were enough to suffer through
Harry Styles; actually can sing...but I have no idea WTF that song was about
Billie and Haim = can't sing

Meg got her grammy, congrats

But I was in for Black Pumas...after their performance...I tapped out

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108. "Seen "
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The show got much better in the following segment
Observations;
The WAP performance was easily the low point IMO
Cardi looked completely uncomfortable and the metallic made outfit was not sexy atall
I fell tf out at Silk Sonic
IDK why, but the carpet made me LOL
I love the commitment
Brittany Howard was easily the performance of the night
...and then they give awards in her category to people like Taylor Swift...
An inspirational song about perseverance in these trying times should have won easily over a song about a cardigan
The Billie Ellish thing with Meghan...was really uncomfortable to watch
You don’t think you deserve an award, withdraw
Going on and on about Meghan...was just...weird af

Other than that, I thought it was a good show overall
As has been pointed out, definitely a difference from live to pre-recorded performances
But it didn’t detract too much from the whole show

The academy stays f’n up with these awards though.

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ThaTruth
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2. "Bey should've gotten off her high horse and performed with her"
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https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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3. "smh....y'alls hate for Black women knows no bounds....."
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6. "For wanting to see her perform a song that she made?"
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https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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8. "for the "high horse" remark... maybe the money wasn't right"
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for her to "get off her high horse"....



"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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12. "^^^^ At this point in her career she doesn't need a performance at"
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the Grammys. Maybe if she had a current album or tour to promote, but even with that she's at a level where she can drop a project completely unexpectedly and do huge numbers.

Even a Bruno Mars - he did a couple performances but he was there to promote Silk Sonic. He likely wouldn't have done the Grammys just to perform as a guest on someone else's song releases last year and up for an award.

  

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21. "I get that and I also feel like because of that she could've let Megan....."
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have that moment with the award instead of running up there trying to steal her shine

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24. "why see it as "Stealing shine" instead of supporting a peer?"
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Mon Mar-15-21 12:52 PM by FLUIDJ

  

          

everyone wants Black people neck to neck all the time instead of arm in arm....smh

"Get ready....for your blessing....."
"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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26. "Yeah I'm confused - it would be seen as petty as heck if she didn't"
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join Meg in accepting the award which went to both of them while sitting there in the audience. Doing a performance though is WORK.

  

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42. "why does everything you say have the pettiest possible bent?"
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like are you 12 or something?

you post the most lowest common denominator, reality tv bullshit sometimes...

stealing her shine?

THEY BOTH ON THE SONG.

Meg did most of the talking.

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46. "maybe you just read and overreact that way"
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https://youtu.be/eaaTxVRG06c?t=89

  

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52. "right cuz the problem can't possibly be you LOL"
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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

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55. "ditto"
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10. "dude shut the fuck up."
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"But rest assured, in my luxurious house built on the backs of people darker than me, I am sipping fine scotch and scoffing at how stupid you are." - bshelly

  

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22. "no, you"
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122. "Nah, that $hit was awkward...I don't know if she's on a high horse"
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But I can't say I've ever heard a record played at an award show while the performer sat front row...that was definitely weird af

Felt more like...she HAD to be there...because of the grammy record

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134. "RE: Nah, that $hit was awkward...I don't know if she's on a high horse"
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You guys do know the performances were taped a whole ass week before the broadcast right? So literally every artist was in there watching their songs play and/or watching themselves perform.

It could simply have been a scheduling issue.

But IMO I think when it comes down to it. Jesse Collins and co wanted WAP to be the highlight of the joint performance and showcase new talent on that stage. If Beyonce would've come out in the middle of the set to do her verse and then disappear it would've taken away from it and they probably couldn't afford it either.

A Beyonce production COSTS

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4. "Pre-taped performances >>>>"
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They are just better... BET Awards last year and Grammys proved it...

Better sets and camera blocking.

But overall it was dope... Lil Baby did THAT and Silk Sonic are just too good.

Dua killed as well.

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5. "I wish there were more awards given out live"
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It was like the Grammy concert last night, not Grammy Awards.

For me, the fun of the show is guessing who is going to win each category and the excitement/reaction of the winners.
Last night, there was like 1 awards for every 1 hour of performances.

  

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7. "My mother when verse two of Silk Sonic's song started:"
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"Is this a real song?"

Meaning she thought it was a parody. Which is what I thought it sounded like when watching it but I held my tongue to that point because she really likes Bruno Mars.

Oh well, most people seem to love it.

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18. "Sounds a lot like what Mayer Hawthorne has been doing for a while"
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The whole throwback soul rnb thing.

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36. "I wanted to like it a lot more than I actually did"
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They sound good individually, but the alternating thing is kinda weird.

When they harmonized at the end it worked

What I liked better was Paak on the drums while Bruno sang

  

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78. "RE: I wanted to like it a lot more than I actually did"
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>They sound good individually, but the alternating thing is
>kinda weird.
>
Just curious but what do you find weird about them alternating? Groups with multiple vocalists isn't a new thing.

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9. "Now, despite my reply above... I do have issues with WAP being "
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a featured performance....

This is primarily surrounding my continued dismay in the lack of quality Black, mainstream music that I can comfortably allow my kids to enjoy....

Just thinking back to when I was 8 years old.... my parents could freely listen to Black radio with us around without worrying about the content of the music being played.

I feel bad that my girls increasingly just don't/won't have that same opportunity. There's just not much contemporary Black music that we feel is worthy of their ears and minds.


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11. "*eyeroll*"
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tell me the year when you were 8 years old so i can bust your dumbass "Black music was so much more respectable back then" bubble.

LMAO...your not so thinly veiled misogynist bullshit is laughable at best

d


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14. "that's not what I wrote...at ALL..... reread and tuck your outrage....I'..."
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i'm 44 you do the math...

1st of all; I specifically said RADIO

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13. "this the most old man saying get off my lawn post lol"
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>a featured performance....
>
>This is primarily surrounding my continued dismay in the lack
>of quality Black, mainstream music that I can comfortably
>allow my kids to enjoy....
>
>Just thinking back to when I was 8 years old.... my parents
>could freely listen to Black radio with us around without
>worrying about the content of the music being played.
>
>I feel bad that my girls increasingly just don't/won't have
>that same opportunity. There's just not much contemporary
>Black music that we feel is worthy of their ears and minds.
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."
>"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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15. "I mean, the older I get and the older my kids get, i'ma say old man shit..."
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*shrugs*

The lack of balance in mainstream Black music is just terrible these days... I don't care how you slice it...



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16. "its cliche' tho..every gen can and does say this"
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>*shrugs*
>
>The lack of balance in mainstream Black music is just terrible
>these days... I don't care how you slice it...
>
>
>
>"Get ready....for your blessing....."
>"Bury me by my Grand-Grand and when you can come follow me"

  

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17. "meh, I don't have time to argue it today. I'll just say, I don't know an..."
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Black parent with children under the age of 10 years old that would be 100% comfortable turning on a Black radio station today and letting their kids listen to it for any given length of time.

I'm specifically referring to the ability to casually listen to public non-paid music programming over the radio airwaves

Y'all think my post is about something that it's not.....


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19. "RE: meh, I don't have time to argue it today. I'll just say, I don't kno..."
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>Black parent with children under the age of 10 years old that
>would be 100% comfortable turning on a Black radio station
>today and letting their kids listen to it for any given length
>of time.
>
>I'm specifically referring to the ability to casually listen
>to public non-paid music programming over the radio airwaves
>
>Y'all think my post is about something that it's not.....

Simply change the channel. It seems like youre complaining that folks still make sexually provocative music which has always and always will be the case. Im not saving your misogynistic like Dam is.

  

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20. "I say there are no channels...your response is "Simply change the channe..."
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25. "What is the equivalent of "radio" music today though? "
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Kids aren't listening to over the air radio these days like we did growing up. I guess the closest equivalent is Spotify or YouTube. My kids have their own Spotify accounts through my family membership, which I have set to only show the clean versions of songs, so I guess that's somewhat similar to radio which would play radio edits back in the day.

That being said, when I was growing up in the 80's with strict parents, they had just as big of a problem with some of the music I'd listen to. They didn't want me listening to Prince, they thought the Thriller video from MJ was demonic, etc.

I remember even later when I was in high school my dad found my cassette single from Tupac's Hit 'em Up, with How Do You Want It as a B side, unedited, and he freaked out on me.

  

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28. "That's just the issue I state in #17...."
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"...the ability to casually listen to public non-paid music programming over the radio airwaves"

The ability to simply get in the car, turn on the radio and ride out is pretty much a non-starter for parents with kids in this age bracket....

Having streaming services and all of that is all well and good....but at the same time... ANGTFT! On top of that...I drive mid-aughts VWs with stereos designed in the damn 90's....playing music sources from the phone takes WORK lol...

I don't feel like being Daddy DJ all the damn time, fckin up my algorithms trying to find kid friendly versions of songs that aren't really THAT kid friendly...they're just explicit song with a bunch of blank spots .... shit's terrible.



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32. "I definitely get it. But the issue you're referencing is around the "
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medium of music, vs the actual music itself. I don't know what the radio market is like in your area. But the station here that played hip-hop and R&B when I was in high school has kinda grown up with the demographic. I don't know if there's a comparable hip-hop and R&B station for the kids, but the demand isn't likely there.

It would have been a different world for us as kids if we had devices in our pockets that could stream an infinite amount of music with little to no filters on it.

Totally feel you on the algorithms. That's why I set my kids up with their own Spotify accounts. When we're in the car we're using Apple CarPlay from my phone where they have their own accounts and playlists set up separate from mine.

  

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34. "No, it's more about the available platforms than the medium...."
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There's always been an OPTION to play your preferred music vs. listen to something that's being presented on the open airwaves....

I've seen some pretty intense blues 8-tracks in my grand daddy's collection back in the day....he kept them joints tucked away too....

Public/commercial radio, tv have generally always been understood as a "safer" space for media consumption. Like...of course you know it's not gonna be KIDS centric music playing on no radio stations...but you also had a certain degree of confidence that playing the radio stations was going to be the safest bet for listening to music with kids in the car.


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23. "to try to pretend that today's radio music is not more explicit is a jok..."
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>>Black parent with children under the age of 10 years old
>that
>>would be 100% comfortable turning on a Black radio station
>>today and letting their kids listen to it for any given
>length
>>of time.
>>
>>I'm specifically referring to the ability to casually listen
>>to public non-paid music programming over the radio airwaves
>>
>>Y'all think my post is about something that it's not.....
>
>Simply change the channel. It seems like youre complaining
>that folks still make sexually provocative music which has
>always and always will be the case. Im not saving your
>misogynistic like Dam is.
>

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27. "who's saying its not?"
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Prince was emulating masturbation in the early 80's which was more than JB, Elvis and the rest

Bowie simulate giving bus to Mick Ronson

every gen gets more ribald

maybe because its women being sexually provocative, its an issue..maybe Damali is right..yall are more uncomfortable because its women being overtly sexual..subconciously misogynsitic?


>>>Black parent with children under the age of 10 years old
>>that
>>>would be 100% comfortable turning on a Black radio station
>>>today and letting their kids listen to it for any given
>>length
>>>of time.
>>>
>>>I'm specifically referring to the ability to casually
>listen
>>>to public non-paid music programming over the radio
>airwaves
>>>
>>>Y'all think my post is about something that it's not.....
>>
>>Simply change the channel. It seems like youre complaining
>>that folks still make sexually provocative music which has
>>always and always will be the case. Im not saving your
>>misogynistic like Dam is.
>>
>

  

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29. "none of that shit was on the grammys....that i'm aware of anyway...."
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you pretty much had to SEEK that stuff out...
and you had to have access (cable) to the platforms that provided the content.

vs.

today...


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30. "to top it off...the person that actually WROTE the song flat out said it..."
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not for children....won't allow her daughter to listen to it....
So I guess she's being misogynistic ???


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31. "these people trippin.. "
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radio is much worse these days when it comes to content

but you know they are missing the point on purpose to call you out.

trying to act like Darling Nikki was being played at 8AM on popular radios rations in the 80’s is hilarious.


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33. "I didn't know Darling Nikki was even a song until I got home from Peache..."
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with the album and the song played.....
Even then....I didn't know WHAT it was about...but I knew I probably shouldn't be listening to it lol....


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35. "LOL my old man moment was Rihanna and Wale's "Bad"...in 2013...when I wa..."
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I was like, even with this edit there's no way kids don't know what this is about...but they MIGHT miss how toxic this relationship is because these are their idols.


Catchy song, very on brand performances...but isn't that an album cut in the '90s? Or just written a little less...directly?


But then, I don't have kids and haven't consciously heard a radio station outside of an Uber ride in half a decade at this point so I stopped caring. Plus I personally wouldn't have been messed up by that song, I guess, so do I really care?


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43. "eh bed noises on a track are a proven winner"
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Some Cut a super classic

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37. "Exactly! Black music oversexualizes girls, "
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I asked all of the girls in my network ages 6-10 who they admire musically. Most said Beyonce, my kid likes Katy Perry, the other black girls don't have anyone musically to look up to.

When I was 8 years old, I would have said Whitney Houston, Madonna, Michael Jackson, Lisa Lisa and maybe MC Lyte.

I just think today everything marketed to girls is hyper sexual. Which is why Kidz Bop is a thing. Every song has a drug or sexual reference. In terms of girls, the sexual reference is usually being sold by a brown skinned woman (Mixed, other, black or latino are all the same to me).

White children have SOOOOO many more music idols and options that frame their childhood outside of selling sex.

Rise & Shine
Thrive & Grind
Heart & Mind

  

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39. "ehh.. no. Its all music. "
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Kate Perry? yuck

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49. "RE: Exactly! Black music oversexualizes girls, "
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>I asked all of the girls in my network ages 6-10 who they
>admire musically. Most said Beyonce, my kid likes Katy Perry,
>the other black girls don't have anyone musically to look up
>to.
>
>When I was 8 years old, I would have said Whitney Houston,
>Madonna, Michael Jackson, Lisa Lisa and maybe MC Lyte.
>
>I just think today everything marketed to girls is hyper
>sexual. Which is why Kidz Bop is a thing. Every song has a
>drug or sexual reference. In terms of girls, the sexual
>reference is usually being sold by a brown skinned woman
>(Mixed, other, black or latino are all the same to me).
>
>White children have SOOOOO many more music idols and options
>that frame their childhood outside of selling sex.

Woooo!!!! You dropping gems....

I have said this for years...

You take the blue pill, the story ends. You wake up in your bed and believe whatever you want to believe. You take the red pill, you stay in Wonderland, and I show you how deep the rabbit hole goes.

  

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47. "right I remember having an old man moment about a year and a half ago..."
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hearing a Megan & DaBaby song on the radio at like 3 in the afternoon. I rarely listen to the radio but I was like "this what they playing now?!" lol

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48. "breh, I heard a Tank song on my commute to work"
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who’s gonna beat it up, like me?
who’s gonna eat it up, like me?

face down, ass up..

at 7:30AM.

the edited ass but still..

and people out here on some “but in the 80’s they had “between the sheets” on the radio.

nah, they were a bit kore creative with the sexual shit back in the day. Now they like “I’m gonna slide the panties to the siiiii yiiiide”

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50. "RE: breh, I heard a Tank song on my commute to work"
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>who’s gonna beat it up, like me?
>who’s gonna eat it up, like me?
>
>face down, ass up..
>
>at 7:30AM.
>
>the edited ass but still..
>
>and people out here on some “but in the 80’s they had
>“between the sheets” on the radio.
>
>nah, they were a bit kore creative with the sexual shit back
>in the day. Now they like “I’m gonna slide the panties to
>the siiiii yiiiide”
>
>

Siiii yiiiiide! Bwahahahaha! I’m not gonna be over this for weeks. Too funny.

And yeah, it somewhat obviously different. More cussing. Less sneaky throwed off stuff getting said in a way where a kid should be able to understand what is going on. And just more crazy stuff getting said on a per song basis.

The 90s had plenty of licking up and downs, grunting, and more clear threats of sexual stuff too so this has been on its way to happening for a while.

I was like 18 before I heard Love Serenade past ‘TAKE IT OFF’ on a regular basis.

  

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51. "that messed me up too lol..."
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” on the radio.
>>
>>nah, they were a bit kore creative with the sexual shit back
>>in the day. Now they like “I’m gonna slide the panties
>to
>>the siiiii yiiiide”
>>
>>
>
>Siiii yiiiiide! Bwahahahaha! I’m not gonna be over this for
>weeks. Too funny.

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44. "i feel you on that"
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it's a bangin song but seeing them perform it takes me out.
i feel like im watching a parody of what people think the music kids listen to is like

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38. "Most importantly: Thundercat won!!!"
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40. "Nas got the rap album"
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good for him, even tho wasn't his most deserved, dude deserves one.

  

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41. "his Pacino lifetime achievement one"
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>good for him, even tho wasn't his most deserved, dude
>deserves one.

  

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45. "The lip sync was pretty terrible lol"
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--
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53. "I so don't mind being the old man complaining about the kids"
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Because the kids should hear it from time to time.

And I am really not moved by the "but it was just as bad when we were kids" argument because that may be the case, but then we always had old people who pushed back. I am not talking about Tipper Gore or The Right Wing and Preachers, but rather our parents or other grown-up we respected.


I feel like black people get played by white liberals at time because white liberals will be out there promoting a certain type of oversexualized or thuggish type of young black entertainers but would never want it for their own kids.


I think a lot about how social media has blurred the lines between what we say publically to everyone and what we say at home to family, friends and children.

The police shutting down Two Live Crew and NWA for indecency is ridiculous, even though my parents were right to not let me have that music playing in their house.

To that end, I think a lot of the ado about WAP is signs of end times is over the top and ignores what we grew up listening too, but yeah WAP doesn't need to be performed at the Superbowl or Grammy's because these are family broadcasts.

Personally, I think worst than being the old head complaining about WAP is being some old head trying to prove how hip I am by gushing over social media about a song clearly made for young (but not too young) people.

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54. "I wear it like a badge"
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I give some of these kids their due cause they jamming but it's frustrating when I have to find a clean version for almost everything that's released. I dare someone to say that they had to find a clean version of the popular R&B of our youth




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59. "You are 100% tight with the while lib shit when it comes to WAP"
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didn’t NPR say it was song of 2020?

its like Denzel with Training Day

its like Halle with Monsters Ball.

They tend to choose our worst representations to celebrate us in their spaces.

To this day I think its sad fuck that this was the song some of our own people chose to champion as Black women’s empowerment.

When I see old ass people trying to use WAP as a teachable moment.. c’mon on yo. Sit yo old ass down and put on some Tribe and stfu.


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63. "RE: You are 100% tight with the while lib shit when it comes to WAP"
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>didn’t NPR say it was song of 2020?
>
>its like Denzel with Training Day
>
>its like Halle with Monsters Ball.
>
>They tend to choose our worst representations to celebrate us
>in their spaces.
>
>To this day I think its sad fuck that this was the song some
>of our own people chose to champion as Black women’s
>empowerment.


Yeah, there's definitely some consistency with what they choose to champion from us.


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65. "right with the white lib shit*"
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this phone.. smh.

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67. "I still haven't figured out what's empowering about it.....i just can't...."
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75. "I can't take any, "women being as terrible as terrible men = empowerment..."
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seriously.

Again, if you don't want your son or daughter doing it, then your cheerleadering of it is suspect.




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114. "damn.. that’s a powerful statement"
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77. "it isn't for you to figure out. you're not a woman"
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YOU don't need to understand it for it to be empowering..that's centering yourself in the experience of women

just like i would never attempt to help any white person understand why Black shit is empowering to me

even asking that is fucking insulting, quite honestly

stay in your lane, thanks.

d

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79. "Should a father care or try to understand what his daughter..."
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finds empowering?

If a mother found that her sons hero is Ice Berg Slim should she not try and understand and care about it but just let it be?




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85. "no, we should let NPR and white execs tell us"
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lmao at folk still trying to act strippers polls and sex positions while singing about their pussies is empowerment for our Black girls to celebrate.

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86. "RE: no, we should let NPR and white execs tell us"
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https://kapwi.ng/c/HJRGQDEK


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80. "I'm a Black man with a Black wife and 2 Black daughters. Yes, I do need"
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to understand why anyone in their right mind would attempt to call that song empowering....
I'm insulted by the notion and suggestion that it's empowering and a positive representation of Black women.

Black women are indeed MY lane so I will remain in it, thanks.

FLUIDJ

  

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82. "yeah, the fuck is she talking about. I’m raising 2 Black daughters"
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this is my lane.

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115. "this is some “cause I said so” lazy bullshit"
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why?

“because I said so thats why, now shuddup!!!”

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88. "All I know is any man clutching his pearls about WAP better have"
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been equally concerned about all the X-rated shit male rappers have been spewing bout women's and girls' bodies, genitals, and sex for decades.

Bc there's literally no basis to single out Meg + Cardi. I'll listen all day to a genuine argument about hypersexualization in rap or the music indistry in general etc, but how can it be cool for men to rap explicitly about women and girls but not women to rap explicitly about *our own* bodies/desires/POV??? Furthermore, to be taken aback by what Meg + Cardi say makes zero sense unless you've (mistakenly) believed women are little more than passive cum receptacles lacking nerve endings, sentient thought, and self-interest.

I'm actually neutral on the song itself; I don't even think I've listened to it all the way thru (bc that's how inconsequentially I view it, if we're really gonna try being serious about sex-positivity). But what really gets me is the but-my-daughters defense. You guys, that is basically a meaningless point bc all the twerking video vixens and women and girls whose pussies male rappers have been talking about for decades were somebody's daughters too. As are Meg + Cardi. ALL WOMEN ARE SOMEBODY'S DAUGHTER.

So if you're uneasy with explicit sexual expression, you're entitled to your opinion but just make sure you're being consistent - about male artists and female artists, past and present present projects, label-driven and independent, etc. Bc some of the same ppl calling Meg + Cardi's dancing porn and complaining about stripper this and that have prob *shrugged* at women and girls doing *THE EXACT SAME THINGS* in a male rapper's video/performance. Yall should examine why that is.

  

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90. "The issue isn't WAP. The issue has been pretty clearly stated throughout"
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this post...
stop trying to make this about what it isn't about.



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92. "Stop it. A quote from the song is literally the title and it's named"
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in the OP.

Obviously yall are discussing varying issues you have with the song and others that are similar throughout, and you specifically questioned what could be empowering about the song.

But sure, gaslight away lol








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>stop trying to make this about what it isn't about.
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93. "No, please follow the links below.... the discussion has never been "
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about issues with the song....You and Damali are the only two that have tried to twist the conversation into that and make it a gender warz thing.



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96. "Ok, now you're just lying. In #67 You literally said "I still haven't"
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figured out what's empowering about it.....i just can't...."

and in #80 you said:

"I'm a Black man with a Black wife and 2 Black daughters. Yes, I do need to understand why anyone in their right mind would attempt to call that song empowering.... I'm insulted by the notion and suggestion that it's empowering and a positive representation of Black women.

Black women are indeed MY lane so I will remain in it, thanks."


I very intentionally responded to these statements and the general sub-thread they started.

Interesting that Black women are "indeed your lane" but you don't want to hear from the Black women responding to your statements - ABOUT THE SONG - in this post lol

Are you seeing the trend here?



>about issues with the song....You and Damali are the only two
>that have tried to twist the conversation into that and make
>it a gender warz thing.
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99. "addressed in post #98. looks like we're typing at the same time...."
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98. "Regarding the empowerment issue...I specifically questioned that because"
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it was floated as a valid reason for the song to have been provided such a mainstream platform. I call bullshit, because I don't see a single thing that's empowering in a way that it should be promoted and provided such a mainstream platform. Simple as that.
I guess it depends on what one's asperations are...if they're limited to sexual prowess and domination and providing pleasure.... then sure...it's
empowering....

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102. "Right. But this is why I said:"
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"there's literally no basis to single out Meg + Cardi. I'll listen all day to a genuine argument about hypersexualization in rap or the music indistry in general etc, but how can it be cool for men to rap explicitly about women and girls but not women to rap explicitly about *our own* bodies/desires/POV???"

+

"some of the same ppl calling Meg + Cardi's dancing porn and complaining about stripper this and that have prob *shrugged* at women and girls doing *THE EXACT SAME THINGS* in a male rapper's video/performance. Yall should examine why that is."


Because WAP is hardly *hardly* the first sexually explicit rap song to gain mainstream success lol. One could argue that WAP is simply a product of the X-rated landscape - defined as MALE "sexual prowess and domination" and "pleasure" - that misogynist rap has wrought. So, like I said, I'll listen to an argument about the past and current rap/industry landscape in general, but yall lose me trying to single out Meg + Cardi.


>it was floated as a valid reason for the song to have been
>provided such a mainstream platform. I call bullshit, because
>I don't see a single thing that's empowering in a way that it
>should be promoted and provided such a mainstream platform.
>Simple as that.
>I guess it depends on what one's asperations are...if they're
>limited to sexual prowess and domination and providing
>pleasure.... then sure...it's
>empowering....
>

  

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104. "No one is this post said it WAS cool for men to do it...that's not even ..."
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the topic. the topic is the prominence of explicit material on mainstream platforms.

We're not arguing whether or not is cool.
There's also NEVER been an argument that men rapping about that stuff is empowering to men....it's always been stated and accepted that's it's explicit subject matter meant for adults.

I think it's valid to examine yes...but at the same time...that very thing is exactly what's ALWAYS pushed the genre of Hip Hop so far down on the mainstream scale of "importance"....so it's never been a matter of males being praised for explicit subject matter, it's always been the complete opposite in fact....

Anytime ANY explicit song makes it into the mainstream it's an issue.

And personally I think it's a MAJOR issue that the sexually explicit songs from female rappers seem to be the only tracks that are pushed and promoted to the mainstream vs. their non-sexual (aka BARS LADDEN) tracks... why is that??? And this is exactly what this post is about.

Meg got bars for DAYS
Nicki got bars for DAYS
Cardi got...bars....

of all them bars...don't you find it suspect that the sexually explicit bars are the only ones that percolate to the top and make it mainstream????





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107. "RE: No one is this post said it WAS cool for men to do it...that's not e..."
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Cardi's first #1 song was "Bodak Yellow" a rags to riches rap song with literally no hook. It isn't based solely on "sexually explicit bars"

Megan first #1 "Savage" is also an ALL RAP song and while it does contain some sexually suggestive lyrics it is certainly more empowering than those 1 or 2 bars.

If fact.. Women have probably been having more success at creating all rap number 1's lately than their male counterparts who have to add a singer or singing to make it palatable.

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118. "Good points... I hadn't thought to look at their charts"
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So I guess the last point about only their most sexually explicit raps going big/mainstream is debunked

  

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125. "It's not a good point because it's not an argument I was making...."
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again, y'all are trying to make this a completely different discussion to fit a certain narrative.....

  

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129. "Lol ok"
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If you say so


(this is what you really wanted me and Damali to do. agree + placate lol)

  

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119. "It's disingenuous tho to suggest sexually explicit music by male rappers"
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hasn't been cool/celebrated. It's literally been the status quo, so the support is implied... especially within the hip hop community (of which I would say the okp demographic kind of leans). I'm obv not talking about the fox/conservative audience, who's hated rap all along whether sexually explicit or not lol (and hates WAP accordingly).

Additionally, misogynist and/or sexually explicit rap by male rappers never needed to be framed as "empowering to men", bc that's just been the power imbalance by default. Furthermore, this power imbalance hasn't stayed relegated to the music, it's spilled over into real life (eg. the recent Jaguar claims come to mind but those have hardly been the first or only, whether we're talking sex, business, representation, etc).

I just think one has to be willing to *acknowledge* the power imbalance between men and women that's existed in rap culture since its emergence, to get how some women (again not all, and not necessarily me) see WAP as empowering bc it's women centering their own desires and self-interest for once. It's not too hard to wrap our heads around if we contextualize WAP properly.



>
>We're not arguing whether or not is cool.
>There's also NEVER been an argument that men rapping about
>that stuff is empowering to men....it's always been stated and
>accepted that's it's explicit subject matter meant for adults.
>
>
>I think it's valid to examine yes...but at the same
>time...that very thing is exactly what's ALWAYS pushed the
>genre of Hip Hop so far down on the mainstream scale of
>"importance"....so it's never been a matter of males being
>praised for explicit subject matter, it's always been the
>complete opposite in fact....
>
>Anytime ANY explicit song makes it into the mainstream it's an
>issue.

  

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126. "So you're moving goalposts AND "...but not me'ing" ????? smh..."
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128. "How did I move goal posts? "
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And I was clear in my inital reply that I'm neutral on this song. Lol. I've said it multiple times

  

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91. "Direct links to what the poast is about:"
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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13427264&mode=full#13427316

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13427264&mode=full#13427323

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13427264&mode=full#13427330

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13427264&mode=full#13427342

https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13427264&mode=full#13427346



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94. "I'm good actually, I can follow just fine what the post is about."
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If I was interested in zeroing in on your radio debate, I would have replied to some of those directly.

I see you'd rather deflect than address anything I've said tho lol

  

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95. "But you're not good though, you're framing a discussion based on your"
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flawed and biased interpretation of what we're expressing.
If anyone is gaslighting here, it's you.

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100. "Ok Mr. Black Women Are Indeed My Lane, what is the flaw and bias"
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in my interpretation of what you guys are expressing?

Who, between the two of us, expressed *confusion* about how the song could possibly viewed as empowering?

Who, between the two of us, is actually a Black woman and has been a young Black daughter and is talking about the song and backlash from that perspective?

Why is it flawed and biased, bc I'm calling on yall to examine why you have all the smoke for *this* particular song and *these* particular young female artists, in the broader context of sexually explicit rap which has been a thing for how long? lol



>flawed and biased interpretation of what we're expressing.
>If anyone is gaslighting here, it's you.
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105. "Your interpretation of my statement was that I had an issue with the son..."
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itself....
I never said I had issue with the song.
I clearly stated I had issue with:
1) the song being promoted so heavily on mainstream platforms, during what is historically "family" programming.
2) the song being promoted as female empowerment.

I then went on to clarify in previous post above the metric that it may technically be considered empowering...and if that is the sole metric of empowerment...then yes, I guess it is empowering....

By any OTHER, widely accepted and defined metric of empowerment, it doesn't fit.

That's what I consider to be flawed about your interpretation of my post. The bias I'm referring to is that you're a Black female that sees me as a misogynistic Black male from jump without bothering to actually process and approach the things I wrote from a non-biased angle.

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120. "I hear you. But I think this goes back to what Damali was saying"
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re: your point about whether or not WAP fits your metric of empowerment:

"it isn't for you to figure out. you're not a woman. YOU don't need to understand it for it to be empowering..that's centering yourself in the experience of women."

And, again, tying this back to the point I was trying to make about the overwhelmingly male-centered and misogynist status quo in rap culture... it just seems like it's the *contrast* between that status quo and Meg + Cardi unapologetically articulating their arousal, desires, and self-interest, that some women and girls find empowering. I mean, consider for one second how saturated rap is with past and current songs basically reducing us to insentient objects to be ejaculated on/in and discarded. I'm not saying WAP is my anthem or needs to be anybody's anthem, but I can see how folks end up there.

Other thing is, you should realize that just bc I'm a Black woman and challenging your opinion, doesn't mean I see you "as a misogynistic Black male from jump without bothering to actually process and approach the things I wrote from a non-biased angle." That's a little hit-doggy. Maybe check your fragility lol. Bc by your own admission, you said you don't understand why this song appeals to so many women and girls and how it could or even should be considered empowering. I'm just trying to help you out.



>I never said I had issue with the song.
>I clearly stated I had issue with:
>1) the song being promoted so heavily on mainstream platforms,
>during what is historically "family" programming.
>2) the song being promoted as female empowerment.
>
>I then went on to clarify in previous post above the metric
>that it may technically be considered empowering...and if that
>is the sole metric of empowerment...then yes, I guess it is
>empowering....
>
>By any OTHER, widely accepted and defined metric of
>empowerment, it doesn't fit.
>
>That's what I consider to be flawed about your interpretation
>of my post. The bias I'm referring to is that you're a Black
>female that sees me as a misogynistic Black male from jump
>without bothering to actually process and approach the things
>I wrote from a non-biased angle.

  

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127. "But it doesn't, because it completely dismisses a very clear connection"
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between a Black father and his Black daughters that is so often attempted to be severed by literally EVERYBODY in society.

As a parent, I have a very real impact and responsibility to make sure the things they experience and are exposed to is consistent with values and mindsets that will allow them to prosper and flourish.

I need to understand if/why/how something that is being pushed as empowering is actually empowering if I'm going to allow my kids to be exposed to it. So from that angle alone, it's a very valid request for me or any other Black parent to make to those that are steady screaming "OH THAT SONG IS ABOUT FEMALE EMPOWERMENT!!" ...so, as a Black man, with two Black daughters, married to a Black woman; yes, I'm firmly centered in the experience of women...

The status-quo of rap culture isn't a metric that should be used to determine what's empowering. Two wrongs don't make it right.

I'm not fragile, I'm not hit dogging either. I very clearly made the statement, and have yet to receive a concise reason for what exactly it is about this song that makes it empowering and worthy of being presented in mainstream, family oriented prime time programming. You're not really trying to "help me out".... you're trying to frame my very clear statements as something that they simply aren't.

My issue isn't with the song.
My issue isn't with the artists.
My issue isn't with subject matter.
My issue isn't with hip-hop culture.



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135. "I understand where you're coming from. But I literally did the opposite"
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of dismissing the connection btwn Black fathers and daughters; I said ALL WOMEN are someone's daughter.

Which I said in part bc often, especially in patriarchal dynamics, men need to affiliate women and girls with some kind of male-adjacent role (eg. wifey, mother, daughter) to see us as worth protecting or having some kind of value talk more of listening to or understanding. So when you all were like but-my-daughters, I thought I should point out that the very women many think are doing too much, Meg + Cardi, are also daughters; as have been all the women twerking in your fave male rappers' music videos or the pornhub clips yall beat it to.

Obv *your* priority is going to be *your own* daughters, but I don't think yall will be able to compute why *some women* view WAP as empowering unless you're contemplating it from a place where *ALL women* are humanized - INCL STRIPPERS AND PORNSTARS. Do you see where I'm coming from now? I'm not a scholar on this stuff at all, and I wish I could talk about it with the sophistication that afrogirl-lost and damali often do. But please believe I genuinely was just trying to help you see things from a (hypothetical) pro-WAP woman's perspective lol (and my personal position on WAP is actually irrelevant to being able to do so).

I mean, we can totally end the back and forth lol, it's all good. So far you've said your issue isn't with WAP's lyrical content, or with Meg + Cardi, or with sexually explicit subject matter in rap in general, or with rap culture... Are you just mad to be mad?? Lol. Like I said elsewhere, if you refuse to see how the song could be considered empowering, you're entitled to your opinion... All I asked is those of you who think that KTSE for all the rappers with similarly explicit content, whether male or female. OTOH, if you believe in good faith that there must be something about the song you're missing for so many women to view it as empowering, I just don't see how you resolve that without taking into account the song's lyrical content and context wrt rap music in general *shrug* Whatever tho

  

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101. "who said any of those records by men were empowering "
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and should be performed at the Grammy’s and celebrated?

At most people were on some “freedom of speech”


of all the songs? Yall want THIS to be your anthem?



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103. "I personally don't care re:anthem lol, like I said I'm actually neutral"
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about the track itself.

It's the selective outrage that kills me tho.

I don't have time to go looking for old award show footage, but guaranteed Nelly or Snoop or Britney Spears or *somebody* has had some grinding women on stage.

I basically just think Meg + Cardi don't deserve the flack theyre getting.





>and should be performed at the Grammy’s and celebrated?
>
>At most people were on some “freedom of speech”
>
>
>of all the songs? Yall want THIS to be your anthem?

  

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106. " It should be questioned"
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why of ALLLLLLLLL the songs by these artists...why is it THESE particular types of tracks that are pushed and promoted so heavily.

I don't see anyone in this post giving Meg & Cardi flack....
I got no issue with either of them outside of the usual some people are better rappers than others...I prefer Meg over Cardi *shrugs*...but besides that.... I haven't given any of them flack for their art. Point out where I did....

I'M giving flack to the industry and platforms that are very clearly ONLY promoting certain aspects of Black music because it's fits into the narrative and box that they want to keep Black people and Black women in.
As a Black father with a BLack wife and two Black daughters....THAT'S worthy of my outrage.



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121. "Nah, they're getting flack lol"
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Their performance is getting called porn; Tiger below asking who could possibly like it etc etc. Ppl are entitled to their opinions of course, but it's def a mixed response.

And again, the crux of what I was trying to say is for those set on the notion that *no song* that sexually explicit should be celebrated/mainstream/considered empowering, KTSE for the male rappers that do and have been doing the same shit lol. That's all

Fair enough that your critiques have mostly focused on the song's explicitness and accessibility tho

  

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110. "but most of the flack is at the celebration of the song"
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and not the artist.

I think the song sucks, Meghan spitting tho..

but back when Nelly and Snoop had strippers on stage I wasn’t on some “its just art, let them express themselves, stop slut-shaming”

I knew exactly why women were upset and rightfully so with Tip Drill.

I have no problem with this song being on an album but I do have an issue with this song being celebrated as Black women empowerment. Of all the images? This is the one that you want for our Black daughters and Black women? Really?

You don’t see the banana in the tail pipe?



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123. "Lol nah, like I said to Fluidj above... it's def a mixed response lol"
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Put it this way... when Candace Owens talking points (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOytWiv25dQ) make their way onto okp (which has been happening more and more lately lol)... I think we need to regroup lol. As a Black-identifying White supremacist we know she despises Black women nearly as much as she despises Black men... so I get scared when folks here agree with her. On anything lol.

Re: the empowerment issue specifically, Damali really did say it best. You guys aren't really in a position to control or judge what some women feel is empowering; it's a personal determination. In fact even I, as a woman, shouldn't really take away from what another woman finds empowering. Everyone has different stories and personal challenges/vulnerabilities to overcome.

I really do think it's critical to acknowledge how male-dominant and misogynist rap has a history of being, and still is, to understand the whole empowerment thing tho.

  

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136. "This made me catch the holy ghost."
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>
>Put it this way... when Candace Owens talking points
>(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOytWiv25dQ) make their way
>onto okp (which has been happening more and more lately
>lol)... I think we need to regroup lol. As a Black-identifying
>White supremacist we know she despises Black women nearly as
>much as she despises Black men... so I get scared when folks
>here agree with her. On anything lol.

  

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64. "These are great points"
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"Until you get outta my way, I don't wanna hear what you say aye aye"

  

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56. "do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can ignore?"
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I mean it aint like people can really go to strip joints or the club right now. It's not pleasant to listen to, it's obnoxious. I mean I don't hate it but it's a song where I hear it and I'm left wondering "ok who is this for? Who likes this?"

  

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57. "WAP makes me feel like C Delores Tucker was right "
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58. "RE: do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can igno..."
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>I mean it aint like people can really go to strip joints or
>the club right now. It's not pleasant to listen to, it's
>obnoxious. I mean I don't hate it but it's a song where I hear
>it and I'm left wondering "ok who is this for? Who likes
>this?"

Agreed and I feel this way about a lot of the trap stuff with repeating a single word 10-20 times.

  

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60. "^^^old man yelling at clouds"
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61. "Remember, if you don't liek something you're "too old""
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The song is bad.

The video *IS* very strip club/porn.

The "performance" seemed, to me, and old old old man, to be 2 ladies attempting to show positions from the Kama Sutra but being hindered by their shoes weighing too much.

It's what Madonna did in the 80s times 5.

People have very bad taste in music AND like porn.

But I'll take that over going back in time to the 50s.

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69. "LOL"
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>The "performance" seemed, to me, and old old old man, to be 2
>ladies attempting to show positions from the Kama Sutra but
>being hindered by their shoes weighing too much.

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62. "Its a bop. "
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More appropriate for the club than the family BBQ.


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68. "right lol..."
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>More appropriate for the club than the family BBQ.

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66. "it slaps. i cant lie"
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70. "it does"
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71. "my kid loves it... but she also loves MC Lyte & Queen Latifah..."
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....and she tells it like "WAP is a silly song thats fun.. MC Lyte songs are more serious but also really good"

that's one 9 year old's point of view anyway









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81. "wait.. what? "
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83. "Cap"
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84. "white guy"
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111. "did you think kids weren't listening to pop music? "
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...every kid who has access to a music sub or plays fortnite / roblox knows these songs






  

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116. "yes, and that os the issue some of us have with todays music"
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we old!!!

when we listened to pop music it was Poppa Don’t Preach, PYT, Little Red Corvette..

and LRC is a really secual song but you dont lnpw it until you are much older and realize what a “pocket full of horses” meant.

but now its WET ASS PUSSY!!! said 20 times on a track.

No, my kids will not be listening to pop music like this at 9 with my approval. They beter sneak and listen like we did.

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133. "i should have specified it's the "clean" versions...."
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...but yes, they are going to find out what the song means anyway


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137. "clean version? how does that work? lmao"
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Thats like saying there is a clean version of “put it in my mouth”

what is hook for the clean version of WAP?

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138. "RE: clean version? how does that work? lmao"
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They performed it on the grammys

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139. "there IS a clean version of Akinyele "put it in YOUR mouth" lmao.."
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>Thats like saying there is a clean version of “put it in my
>mouth”


Which is how it was a hit record played even on DAYTIME radio in NYC during summer 96..


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141. "breh.. aint shit clean about the clean version"
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this shit here

https://youtu.be/oukBoGlORrk

unless there is a radio edit with different words and a whole different topic that aint “clean”

shit is a terrible example of a clean version. which is my point

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73. "It makes for good photo shoot music/gets Ladies pretty hype"
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So it's got that going for it

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109. "RE: do people really love that song, or is just an event no one can igno..."
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Does Tik Tok or IG not exist? These are HUGE outlets for people to interact with songs.

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72. "I didn't even know Body Count put out an album last year"
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until I saw they won a Grammy

Good for those Dudes!

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74. "Like 63 year old Ice T's Body Count?"
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I mean this is why the Grammy's is funny. Its just old people picking names they recognize.


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76. "Yes that fella"
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I don't know what other hard metal acts they were up against, but I'm not mad at that win

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87. "Welp, just heard about our first HR complaint"
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about some older exe who was talking about the song on a call and jokingly asking what did it mean.


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89. "I hope he asked HR why they hate Black women"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Buddy_Gilapagos
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112. "The songs aren't worst but the radio is definitely "worst" these days. "
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My dad banned me from listening to radio station because of the moaning and groaning from Break for Love


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ku6ULld2cBo

WAP and, not to just come at the women, this on the radio now days in a "love song":

Shorty a lil' baddie (she a lil' baddie)
Shorty my lil' boo thing (boo thing)
And shorty got the fatty
Shorty be catching mood swings
Every time I fuck without a rubber
I nutted on the covers
And I kept it undercover
'Cause I don't kiss and tell (kiss and tell)


Now I actually think music, in general, was actually a lot more raunchier back in the day given 2 Live Crew, NWA, etc., but I do think what is played on the radio has changed drastically.




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113. "I'm all of 36"
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I turned in my young card as soon as I heard the clean version of Throat Baby on the radio.

  

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117. "OK, I have never heard "Throat Baby""
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If I had pearls I would clutch them.

How does this work. Is it that Da Baby's verse is misogynistic objectification but the City Girls verse girl empowerment or is it all empowerment because City Girls on the track?


Again, we had sh*t like this back in the day but it wasn't on the radio.


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130. "man this makes WAP sound like a nursery rhyme lol..."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaE19-BdilM

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132. "its catchy and people like giving/getting good head"
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aint nobody trying to make it more than that it is like WAP's detractors & stans. thats why nobody care about how "empowering" it is

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140. "lmao.. "
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not sure why but that response cracks me up.

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124. "Now see, I actually think this Pop Smoke song + video is waaay more "
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concerning than WAP.

So basically from very the beginning of the video:

- this young girl's in a toxic relationship with this guy (who basically reduces the relationship to buying her things in exchange for having unprotected sex and ejaculating on her until he decides he wants to get her pregnant)

- the young girl is distraught, unhappy, and clearly recognizes that fucking with this dude is unhealthy, but she's not strong enough to leave him alone (despite her friend trying to help her see how toxic they are)

-Lil Tjay at the end talking about she's a virgin and the sex is hurting her (IMAGINE THE AGE RANGE OF GIRLS THEY MUST BE TALKING ABOUT FOR THAT TO BE A LYRIC)


I think this kind of messaging is more concerning for young girls than WAP or twerking bc it's not just sexually explicit, it glamorizes a psychologically abusive relationship cycle and *specifically* targets very young girls (who else could relate to being a virgin and painful first-time sex?) and the dudes that prey on them. All under the guise of some ambient sing-songy rap. Smh.

Here's the video and (full) lyrics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM8ostx0Ub8


https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/lyrics/9460741/pop-smoke-mood-swings-lyrics-lil-tjay/

(Mood swings)
Oh, you ain't know I could sing? (Oh, oh, oh)
Hahaha (yeah)

Shorty a lil' baddie (she a lil' baddie)
Shorty my lil' boo thing (boo thing)
And shorty got the fatty
Shorty be catching mood swings
Every time I f--- without a rubber
I nutted on the covers
And I kept it undercover
'Cause I don't kiss and tell (kiss and tell)

Every time I f---, she call me daddy
My lil' mama nasty
I see the p---y through the panties (whatever you want)
She taste like candy
She a queen, like Nefertiti
Uh-oh, my lil' mama sittin' pretty
And we be shoppin' through the city (oh, oh)
I gave her keys to the Bentley (whoa, whoa)
Get off your knees, you don't gotta cry to me
I'm your best friend, baby, you don't gotta lie
I'll get you everything that you want and you need from Chanel to Celine
It's on you to decide
Valentino, yeah, I put you in the best
Start liftin' up your dress, start kissin' on your neck (oh no, no)
Start rubbin' on your butt, start massagin' your breasts
I ain't wanna give you a baby just yet, so I backed out and nutted on your breasts
I put you in an Uber (Uber) and sent you to your bed (oh)
The very next day (oh), you sent me a text (oh)
You pulled up to the crib and we did it again (oh, oh)

Shorty a lil' baddie (she a lil' baddie)
Shorty my lil' boo thing (boo thing)
And shorty got the fatty
Shorty be catching mood swings
Every time I f--- without a rubber
I nutted on the covers
And I kept it undercover
'Cause I don't kiss and tell (ooh)

You know, I never found love until I looked into your eyes (into your eyes)
First time blushin', I ain't even gon' lie (ain't even gon' lie)
Four rounds in, leavin' bruises on your thighs
You the only bi--- could make me spin off on the guys
And the only bi--- that make me wanna nut when I'm inside
It's your vibe, leave with me you gettin' high
None of these bi---es f---in' with you even if they tried
P---y on tsunami, I ain't never felt it dry
Close my eyes 'fore I sleep, hope you be there when I wake
Honestly, I feel the vibe we have is great
And if there's something in your mind, you can tell me
And if I told you what's on mine, would you help me?
You gon' see the bigger picture, it's just gon' take time
Just because you mine
I'ma keep you lookin' like a dime
Ain't no imperfections, girl, you fine
Baby, what's your sign?
hope you ain't against the slow grind
(Work, work, it's me and you) me and you
Keep it silent, there ain't nothin' we can't do
Through the storm, baby, we can make it through
Why you actin' brand new? You know you my lil' boo thing
Got up on my Birkin, it's workin'
She said she a virgin (it's hurtin')
She my biggest fan, she always lurkin'
She know I'm a man, I'ma put that work in
I know she can't stand me, I'm fancy
So I'ma bring her out when I get my Grammy
Late night sex, she can't find her panties
Couldn't hold it in, now she need a Plan B

(Shorty a lil' baddie)
(She my lil' boo thing)
And shorty got the fatty (shorty got the fatty)
Shorty be catching mood swings
(Every time I f--- without a rubber)
(I nutted on her covers)
And I kept it undercover
'Cause I don't kiss and tell

  

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131. "Yeah that song is trash too. Shouldn't be on the radio. "
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I wouldn't disagree with you whether its better or worst than the other song.


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142. "Is this the male equivalent of stripper rap?"
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I mean I wouldn't call it empowering and I wouldn't want this life for my kids, but I do love the middle fingers to the world of this joint:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94zTrkr5_xY

same with this joint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMb7yOL5m5g


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143. "man that Beat Box joint goes hard, all 4 versions, Mulatto's might be..."
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the best lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNjJukQ8XYM

DaBaby killed it too...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kumjs5z7IL4

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