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"Dear White People (Simien, 2014)"
Thu Dec-05-13 08:30 PM by ZooTown74

  

          

i tried to search point me to the post again dammnit

if not

can i post this?
i dont know if it will be in theaters
but i'm loving this trailer
*sits in PTP in protest*


http://youtu.be/watjO62NrVg

http://dear-white-people.tumblr.com/

DEAR WHITE PEOPLE
A satire about being a Black face in a white place.
Click here to help bring this film to theaters: http://bit.ly/DWPYoTu

Remember when Black movies didnt neccesarily star a dude in a fat suit and a wig? Or have major plot twists timed to Gospel numbers for no apparent reason? No? Damn

Well believe it or not there was a time when Black Art-House was a thing. When movies like Do The Right Thing, Hollywood Shuffle, and Boyz In Da Hood were breaking box office records as well as making us laugh, cry, and think in ways movies hadnt before.

The humble producers of DEAR WHITE PEOPLE, a satire about being a black face in a white place, long to bring those days back. But we cant do it without you!

We pieced together what resources we had to make this trailer in order to entice investors for our planned million dollar feature. Armed with this trailer and your support we plan to make this film a reality. Click here to help bring this film to theaters: http://bit.ly/DWPYoTu
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Jun 13th 2012
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If anyone doesnt know the track at the end
Jun 14th 2012
2
i wont support it to get to theaters, but i'll watch if it gets there
Jun 14th 2012
3
spike lee did this 20 yrs ago...
Jun 14th 2012
4
Right. Cause there can only be one black movie about kisd in
Jun 19th 2012
63
So stereotypes wrapped in hipster dogma are better?
Jun 14th 2012
5
Said in GD, social commentary from affluent college kids. Pass.
Jun 14th 2012
6
I don't understand this position at all.
Jun 19th 2012
62
ah PTP is about as old as GD
Jun 14th 2012
7
No. This just looks really shitty to this forum too.
Jun 14th 2012
8
basically...
Jun 14th 2012
9
As old as the filmmakers
Jun 14th 2012
10
      which are at least a decade younger than me
Jun 14th 2012
12
      There is nothing about this that is fresh. Nothing.
Jun 14th 2012
13
      no. thing.
Jun 14th 2012
14
      there is nothing about anything that is fresh
Jun 14th 2012
15
           Wrong.
Jun 14th 2012
19
                i'm right
Jun 14th 2012
22
                     Wrong. You're just mad cause people are calling this lame shit out.
Jun 14th 2012
24
                          your lame
Jun 14th 2012
27
                               His lame what?
Jun 14th 2012
32
                               read a bit more closely than that
Jun 14th 2012
33
                                    which explains a lot.
Jun 14th 2012
35
                                         not if you felt the sudden need to grammar check
Jun 14th 2012
38
                               I'm neither. This just looks like a big pile of shit.
Jun 15th 2012
57
      What present day issues?
Jun 14th 2012
16
           post racial should be in quotes
Jun 14th 2012
20
                thanks for jumping in
Jun 14th 2012
23
                "Post-racial" or Post Racial would have been an interesting topic
Jun 14th 2012
30
                     *facepalm*
Jun 14th 2012
40
                     Yes, ma'am. Start.
Jun 14th 2012
41
                     well, i think i understand you more clearly now, but
Jun 15th 2012
46
                          RE: well, i think i understand you more clearly now, but
Jun 15th 2012
48
      there some thing to the age thing
Jun 14th 2012
17
           we are ><
Jun 14th 2012
25
                agreed
Jun 15th 2012
47
oh, more Tyler hate from niggas with no talent? pass
Jun 14th 2012
11
niggas need talent to hate?
Jun 20th 2012
72
i donated. so that gives me the right to fry the final product.
Jun 14th 2012
18
lol
Jun 14th 2012
21
you are better than me right now lol
Jun 14th 2012
26
      LOL. So you can say that other project is kind of "eh"
Jun 14th 2012
31
           lol you guys get bent out of shape
Jun 14th 2012
34
                I was hoping for more of a response than "You mad?"
Jun 14th 2012
36
                     why?
Jun 14th 2012
37
                          You've added nothing to the conversation
Jun 14th 2012
42
                               Is that what you think you're doing?
Jun 14th 2012
44
I mean, here's the thing. There's a ton of "white films" that bite
Jun 14th 2012
28
exactly
Jun 14th 2012
29
biting's not a big thing if you're adding a fresh perspective
Jun 14th 2012
39
      Exactly.
Jun 14th 2012
43
      ouch!
Jun 15th 2012
45
      okp isnt a film company
Jun 15th 2012
49
      RE: okp isnt a film company
Jun 15th 2012
56
           no the issue is "lack of freshness"
Jun 15th 2012
59
      nail on the head here:
Jun 15th 2012
58
This is a great post
Jun 15th 2012
50
thanks reg
Jun 15th 2012
51
      It's weird though
Jun 15th 2012
53
           exactly
Jun 15th 2012
54
*smh*
Jun 15th 2012
52
dont you shake you head at me!
Jun 15th 2012
55
i went to school with two of the stars.
Jun 19th 2012
60
now you might understand
Jun 19th 2012
61
      holup, you think i love Onyx cause they keeps it real?
Jun 19th 2012
67
           lol!
Jun 20th 2012
69
I don't understand the hate for this project at such an early stage
Jun 19th 2012
64
When has any trailer been posted here and not gotten instant reaction?
Jun 19th 2012
65
Dat Shuffly is good...lol.
Jun 19th 2012
68
actually its being told that your old
Jun 20th 2012
71
I'm glad the hate is strong personally
Jun 19th 2012
66
      sheeeeeeeit if only
Jun 20th 2012
70
The Birth Of 'Dear White People'
Jun 20th 2012
73
ugghh, I hate when artist explain their work. Just put it out there.
Jun 20th 2012
74
i thought that was just me...
Aug 22nd 2012
77
word. no disclaimers, at least not at this point.
Jul 02nd 2014
153
Fuck Toure...he took ANOTHER shot at Tyler Dogg
Aug 22nd 2012
78
Stephanie Allain has signed on to executive produce
Aug 21st 2012
75
the trailer was cute
Aug 22nd 2012
76
Yaaaah more black people on screen
Aug 22nd 2012
79
wrong place
Aug 24th 2012
80
Congrats to 'Dear White People,' Indiewire & Tribeca Film Institute's Pr...
Mar 23rd 2013
81
This thread ain't fucking dead yet? nm
Mar 23rd 2013
82
dont you have your own threads to lick and post?
Mar 23rd 2013
83
      I'll say it with pride. I'm a hater.
Mar 23rd 2013
84
           me, tribeca film institute, indiewire, washington post
Mar 24th 2013
85
                That entire post was hilarious.
Mar 24th 2013
86
                     you still here?
Mar 25th 2013
87
                          None of this makes any sense. No of it
Mar 25th 2013
88
                               you in here? i agree
Mar 26th 2013
89
                                    I think I'll stay a while.
Mar 26th 2013
90
                                         popcorn?
Mar 26th 2013
91
                                              Yes please.
Mar 26th 2013
92
Update!
Jun 27th 2013
93
Accepted to Sundance!
Dec 05th 2013
94
i saw!
Dec 05th 2013
97
      Nobody's mad, dude. People just have opinions.
Dec 06th 2013
102
           Opinion on a film not seen
Dec 08th 2013
108
                Right, becaue all opinions on Tyler Perry films are after watching
Dec 08th 2013
111
                listen you love TP this much go suck his dick
Dec 10th 2013
116
                No, you're definitely the asshole in this situation.
Dec 08th 2013
112
                     i'm not, which makes yall responses
Dec 10th 2013
117
                          Yeah, you really are though.
Dec 10th 2013
118
                               an asshole
Dec 10th 2013
120
                                    Bwahaha @ "Fresh perspective." Zero fresh perspectives in this shit
Dec 11th 2013
123
                                    Dude, everyone understands that this isn't the end product.
Dec 11th 2013
124
Perhaps the least interesting film project of the last five years.
Dec 05th 2013
95
Oh shit!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
Dec 05th 2013
96
says the dude overly interested in seeing the Oldboy remake
Dec 05th 2013
98
      I'd rather watch Madea's 'Oldboy' than this trite niggatude
Dec 06th 2013
99
           you watch alot of trite already
Dec 06th 2013
100
           You need a new chewstick
Dec 06th 2013
105
                Not enough asian girls in it for you?
Dec 07th 2013
107
                Got any recommendations?
Dec 08th 2013
109
                     You already chewed up all the dick-flavored ones
Dec 08th 2013
110
                          i'm not in your mouth, not enough room
Dec 10th 2013
114
           Wait have you seen the film?
Dec 06th 2013
101
           Is it "crabs in a barrel" when people criticize Tyler Perry flicks off j...
Dec 06th 2013
104
                they NEVER wanna talk about that shit tho, O
Dec 10th 2013
113
                as do i
Dec 10th 2013
115
                I think people are quick to judge TP because if you have seen one
Dec 16th 2013
138
                     and i dont have an issue with TP
Dec 18th 2013
141
           RE: I'd rather watch Madea's 'Oldboy' than this trite niggatude
Dec 06th 2013
103
                Good. You get zero cool, hip points watching this
Dec 06th 2013
106
jesus christ--
Dec 10th 2013
119
RE: jesus christ--
Dec 10th 2013
121
Yeah, this looks like crap.
Dec 11th 2013
122
eh. its too irrelevant and not subversive enough to be funny.
Dec 11th 2013
125
      Well, no.
Dec 11th 2013
126
           I kept thinking about that scene in the film Lean On Me
Dec 12th 2013
128
                I can respect that. n/m
Dec 13th 2013
129
                wha? no
Dec 13th 2013
130
                     my granddad on my momma side was Dominican.
Dec 13th 2013
131
                          Then you need to go back for more education
Dec 13th 2013
132
                          the arrogance in OKP.
Dec 14th 2013
134
                               *holds up a mirror*
Dec 18th 2013
139
                          That is one of the least true things ever said on the internet.
Dec 13th 2013
133
                               no dude, PRs and DRs seperately, not together.
Dec 14th 2013
135
                                    Weird comparison, and still not true.
Dec 14th 2013
136
                                    We talking bout the Domincan Republic that just stripped 200k people of ...
Dec 15th 2013
137
filmed at my Alma Mater
Dec 12th 2013
127
Dec 18th 2013
140
i appreciate you updating this and I want to learn more
Jan 02nd 2014
145
      No problem and here you go
Jan 09th 2014
146
Resounding L.
Dec 31st 2013
142
Going to sundance. Bye!
Dec 31st 2013
143
      OMG I'M SO IMPRESSED Lfresh! BYE!
Jan 01st 2014
144
Solid-to-Good Sundance reviews
Jan 23rd 2014
147
Yay!
Jan 26th 2014
149
Won the U.S. Dramatic Special Jury Award For Breakthrough Talent
Jan 25th 2014
148
!
Jan 26th 2014
150
Oct 17th release date
Jun 18th 2014
151
New Teaser
Jul 02nd 2014
152
going to see it Monday
Oct 10th 2014
154
This might well be a 4th quarter comeback for ifresh
Oct 10th 2014
155
yup
Oct 10th 2014
156
but sometimes u gotta let the movie speak for itself
Oct 11th 2014
157
That's sort of the point of calling it a 4th quarter comeback.
Oct 11th 2014
158
pretty sure that's an L bro
Oct 12th 2014
159
      Pretty sure you're completely unclear on the concept bro
Oct 21st 2014
178
           it might have been a play on words
Oct 21st 2014
182
                oh shit lol well then. I always read it as ifresh.
Oct 21st 2014
184
Nelson George profile of director Justin Simien (swipe)
Oct 12th 2014
160
i really really enjoyed that movie
Oct 13th 2014
161
Really good flick. Very confident for a feature debut.
Oct 18th 2014
162
fam how you watching all these new flicks?
Oct 19th 2014
167
      MoviePass is your best friend
Oct 19th 2014
169
      Thanks for this Frank
Oct 20th 2014
170
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 20th 2014
172
      forget 'ello
Oct 20th 2014
173
      fuck this is brilliant. wish it was available in toronto n/m
Oct 20th 2014
176
      BRUH.
Oct 21st 2014
179
      good looks
Oct 28th 2014
185
      dude
Feb 17th 2015
200
      word. thanks
Oct 20th 2014
174
funny/very witty but
Oct 18th 2014
163
Yeah I wanted more-
Oct 18th 2014
164
kinda felt like an incomplete assignment
Oct 19th 2014
165
RE: funny/very witty but
Jan 16th 2015
194
Dear White People is 97% on Rotten Tomatoes-Highest Rated Film by Critic...
Oct 19th 2014
166
nah man, don't do it
Oct 19th 2014
168
Very good. And it's not "Okayplayer: The Movie" in the slightest.
Oct 20th 2014
171
Hmmmm...
Oct 21st 2014
177
QUESTION???
Oct 20th 2014
175
when the boards crashed last yr, a bunch of posts were lost
Oct 21st 2014
180
I really liked it, it was funny, cast was ok
Oct 21st 2014
181
Donated and HAPPY to admit my L...reviews are very good, PROPS
Oct 21st 2014
183
have you seen it yet? Is your name in the credits
Oct 29th 2014
186
Review: The Souls of Ivy Folk
Nov 13th 2014
187
RE: Solid B, maybe a B+ (Spoilery)
Nov 15th 2014
188
RE: Solid B, maybe a B+ (Spoilery)
Nov 18th 2014
189
(.. )
Nov 20th 2014
190
yeah... dug the characters but didn't believe the setting
Jan 16th 2015
193
man..
Sep 15th 2015
203
Tyler James Williams up in here, being great:
Nov 20th 2014
191
=)
Nov 20th 2014
192
Realize I never did post my review. B+
Jan 16th 2015
195
i didn't like it due to the reasons you mentioned
Jan 25th 2015
196
this was the most surprising and awesome to me
Jan 26th 2015
197
Irony when your job does a screening
Feb 12th 2015
198
RE: Dear White People (Simien, 2014)
Feb 17th 2015
199
Justin Simien from the #ARRAY tweet-a-thon last night
May 28th 2015
201
I knew this was gonna suck
Sep 15th 2015
202
I loves this movie.
Sep 15th 2015
204
It's like if Denise weren't so gotdamn flighty.
Sep 18th 2015
205

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1. "Return To Sender"
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2. "If anyone doesnt know the track at the end"
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VZbt_6Y2dc
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3. "i wont support it to get to theaters, but i'll watch if it gets there"
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4. "spike lee did this 20 yrs ago..."
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..i'll pass


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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63. "Right. Cause there can only be one black movie about kisd in "
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college.

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5. "So stereotypes wrapped in hipster dogma are better?"
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If you're going to open by making fun of Tyler Perry, you can't follow with a bunch of stereotypes and cliches wrapped in a "Shit Girls Say" webisode.

It almost plays like a fake trailer satirizing the films that the filmmakers claim to be trying to emulate.

I don't know. It's a fun enough web video and would serve as a strong reel for the cinematographer but it doesn't grab me as much of a movie.

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6. "Said in GD, social commentary from affluent college kids. Pass. "
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Super pass.

  

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62. "I don't understand this position at all."
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People have no interest in hearing social commentary from educated black kids but sop up with a biscuit social commentary from any ole ninja from the hood who never finished high school.

Meanwhile, they have no problem with white content producers being affluent and educated (which accounts for 90% of all white filmmakers).

This is a recipe for Black Art to get dumber and dumber.

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7. "ah PTP is about as old as GD"
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interesting
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8. "No. This just looks really shitty to this forum too."
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9. "basically..."
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..shit ain't creative, original, OR funny


..and miles to go before i sleep...

  

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10. "As old as the filmmakers"
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Thu Jun-14-12 10:43 AM by SoulHonky

          

This isn't a fresh young voice; it's people calling back to the movies that were around when they and most of the people commenting here were growing up: Hollywood Shuffle, Boyz N the Hood, School Daze. And since it seems focused on harkening back to those days, it just seems to be a watered down regurgitation of those films.

What drew you to it? Why does this film need to hit theaters? What is it saying that older people haven't heard or younger people will even bother to listen to? (The trailer seems to preach to the choir as much as Tyler Perry)

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lfresh
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12. "which are at least a decade younger than me"
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>This isn't a fresh young voice; it's people calling back to
>the movies that were around when they and most of the people
>commenting here were growing up: Hollywood Shuffle, Boyz N the
>Hood, School Daze. And since it seems focused on harkening
>back to those days, it just seems to be a watered down
>regurgitation of those films.

which while yes is done all the time
it does do more than that using the old method to address present day issues
but a cynical view works in here
so thats all you want to see
horse to water
not going to force you to drink

>What drew you to it? Why does this film need to hit theaters?
>What is it saying that older people haven't heard or younger
>people will even bother to listen to? (The trailer seems to
>preach to the choir as much as Tyler Perry)

a young perspective
a fresher perspective while appealing to my classic spike asthetic
which spike doesnt even do any more
and the humor

a reflection on current navigation through the so called post racial society?
this has been done now recently?
its an update and marker how far have we gotten, how far havent we gotten?

i understand lardlad being annoyed by his own generation
hes an old young man
but you guys yeah no i'm not surprised by cynicism
everything has been done before this is not a new criticism of anything

you guys must be bored with life itself
afterall its been done before
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13. "There is nothing about this that is fresh. Nothing. "
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14. "no. thing. "
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that said. i will support them and donate. it's just what i do. i want us all to succeed. even if we suck. that's the dream. that's equality.

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lfresh
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15. "there is nothing about anything that is fresh"
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ever
but you pay for and watch it


you really dont have a point
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19. "Wrong. "
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My point is that this shit looks lame.

  

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lfresh
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22. "i'm right"
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you watch not fresh or new things regularly and love it


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24. "Wrong. You're just mad cause people are calling this lame shit out. "
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lfresh
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27. "your lame"
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and cynical

i can see why you feel that way
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32. "His lame what?"
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"You're"

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33. "read a bit more closely than that"
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do you see me caring anywhere?
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35. "which explains a lot."
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38. "not if you felt the sudden need to grammar check"
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obviously


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57. "I'm neither. This just looks like a big pile of shit."
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Sorry your feelings got hurt.

  

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16. "What present day issues?"
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It's not just Been There, Done That. It's that the film isn't looking at the Been There and Done That and compare it to the Be Here, Doing This of today.

The perfect example is the opening scene. That's basically a modern version of the opening bit of Burn, Hollywood, Burn from Public Enemy. Except the problem isn't that it's been done before, it's that they're complaining about a black filmmaker and a black story in Red Tails and don't seem to realize that that IS progress, in a sense. (And judging from the website, it doesn't look like the filmmakers even get the difference.)

If it doesn't even address and judge the progress that has been made and whether it was good or bad, how can it talk about how far people have come? Instead this film covers the same shit that has been fodder for jokes for decades.

The post-racial debate isn't about Red Tails or Tyler Perry, it's about Girls and whether you even want white people trying to write non-white characters. It's about whether they should have to. If they should even consider it. It's about whether those characters should be defined by their race at all or if any race could have played the characters. It's the idea of whether tokenism was really ever progress and if it should stop. It's about the silent prejudice of why Girls will get a push from Judd Apatow but a black show wouldn't get the same love. It's how people now don't exclude, they just don't worry about inclusion.
(If the discussion is about Tyler Perry, it's why black people feel the need to diss one black voice in their quest to have their own voice heard.)

Saying people now need two black friends isn't fresh. The idea of The Black Friend is out of date. White kids don't even think they need black friends anymore. Obama's everyone's black friend now! We live in a time on nonchalant hipster racism and this film is about blatantly evil white frat guys that was a tired trope even in the 90's. (I mean, if you're making a comedy about changing times, at least make it about black people wondering if they need a white friend or something.)

Or if you want to get deeper, have it about someone wondering why they should even be "black" in the post-racial, cablanasian era?

Bottom line, if you told me this movie was made in the 90's, I would believe you.

Better yet, if you told me this trailer was made by a white person, I'd believe you.

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20. "post racial should be in quotes"
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>The post-racial debate isn't about Red Tails or Tyler Perry,
>it's about Girls and whether you even want white people trying
>to write non-white characters. It's about whether they should
>have to. If they should even consider it. It's about whether
>those characters should be defined by their race at all or if
>any race could have played the characters. It's the idea of
>whether tokenism was really ever progress and if it should
>stop. It's about the silent prejudice of why Girls will get a
>push from Judd Apatow but a black show wouldn't get the same
>love. It's how people now don't exclude, they just don't worry
>about inclusion.

yet when i linked up Ta-Neishi Coate's essay from The Atlantic, but he made it specifically about the hollywood power structure that even refuses to ackowledge these questions, you said he wasn't saying much, lol


>Saying people now need two black friends isn't fresh. The idea
>of The Black Friend is out of date. White kids don't even
>think they need black friends anymore. Obama's everyone's
>black friend now!

WTF

We live in a time on nonchalant hipster
>racism and this film is about blatantly evil white frat guys
>that was a tired trope even in the 90's.

yet, just last month @ Colombia and Chicago U Black women were verbally and physically assualted by White frat boys, but because they've been discussed/depicted in 90s films, we should just you know, not talk about it anymore

I mean, if you're
>making a comedy about changing times, at least make it about
>black people wondering if they need a white friend or
>something.)

ohh so just create the reactionary inversion film and that's cool?

>Or if you want to get deeper, have it about someone wondering
>why they should even be "black" in the post-racial,
>cablanasian era?
O_o

  

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23. "thanks for jumping in"
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folks are being really

0_o in their efforts to out cynical each other right about now


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30. ""Post-racial" or Post Racial would have been an interesting topic"
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Discussing the legitimacy and problems caused by the existence of the thought that we are post-racial would be interesting and eye-opening.

If the lead girl's response to "You're being racist" was "I can't be. We're post-racial. It's all fair game, right?" Then it might be heading to something fresh. Saying, "Black people can't be racist" is a semantics discussion that been done to death.


>yet when i linked up Ta-Neishi Coate's essay from The
>Atlantic, but he made it specifically about the hollywood
>power structure that even refuses to ackowledge these
>questions, you said he wasn't saying much, lol

Uh, Coates was giving "Girls" a pass. Coates wasn't addressing any of those issues; he was saying they weren't issues because they weren't what the "artist" Lena Dunham was trying to talk about.
Coates is the same guy who says that Donald Trump and George Wallace (the infamous Governor of Alabama from the 60's) weren't racist because they just did racist things but didn't REALLY believe racist dogma. That dude's view of racism is as suspect as anyone's I've ever seen in my life. He's good a good writing style but I think his view of racism is all over the place.

Coates spent an entire article saying, "You know what. These are problems. But now that I have to face it in real life and not in the hypothetical, I'm going to give it a pass."

He did the same thing with X-Men: First Class.


>>Saying people now need two black friends isn't fresh. The
>idea
>>of The Black Friend is out of date. White kids don't even
>>think they need black friends anymore. Obama's everyone's
>>black friend now!
>
>WTF

Do you really think people nowadays say borderline racist shit and say "But I have a black friend?" People are far more dismissive of race as a problem. We're post-racial! We've got a black President. That's what people think nowadays.

For instance, Lesley Arfin isn't an exception. It's not seen as wrong by many people, white and black, when she responds to complaints of Girls' whiteness with her "Precious" tweet. And many people of all races barely bat an eyelash when she writes something a ridiculous as, "Nigger" is a great word. It just packs so much punch. The two g's next to each other are like literal two G's, broin' out, tough as nails, them against the world. It gives me chills that a word can hold so much power, it really makes me feel like I chose the right profession."

For many white people, post-racial means they can say shit and not have to have a black friend to defend them. "Dear White People" plays more like a period pieces set in the 90's than something today.


>yet, just last month @ Colombia and Chicago U Black women were
>verbally and physically assualted by White frat boys, but
>because they've been discussed/depicted in 90s films, we
>should just you know, not talk about it anymore

And the Ku Klux Klan still exists. Would this movie seem fresh if the KKK was the villain?

If you're trying to present a fresh take on modern racism, going back to the old standards of racism and not addressing the new face of prejudice seems stale. It's like saying you're going to write a film about the new globalized world and make the Nazis the bad guys.
I'm sorry that I'm not blown away by a sarcastic version of School Daze/Higher Learning or think that it is somehow of the time.


>ohh so just create the reactionary inversion film and that's
>cool?

It's fresher than making the same film. And I think it can be spun as a discussion of the modern racism which is more about including people like one's self, not actively excluding others.

And I'm not sure how "reactionary" is a bad thing since this film is supposed to be modern. The problem with this film is that it's not reactionary to new issues.


>>Or if you want to get deeper, have it about someone
>wondering
>>why they should even be "black" in the post-racial,
>>cablanasian era?
>O_o

Yep. It's the questions that get that reaction from you, and feeling that some people do feel, that make for fresh and interesting movies. Not a rehash of the tropes we've all seen before.

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40. "*facepalm*"
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>And I think it can be spun as a discussion of the modern racism which is more about >including people like one's self, not actively excluding others.


no dude
stop
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41. "Yes, ma'am. Start."
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46. "well, i think i understand you more clearly now, but"
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>Discussing the legitimacy and problems caused by the
>existence of the thought that we are post-racial would be
>interesting and eye-opening.

and a film you have not watched you understand to NOT be doing that?

>If the lead girl's response to "You're being racist" was "I
>can't be. We're post-racial. It's all fair game, right?" Then
>it might be heading to something fresh. Saying, "Black people
>can't be racist" is a semantics discussion that been done to
>death.

we agree here. i would actually like to see a Black character take the "yes we can be racist NOW, but" position. racism is about bigotry/ignorance PLUS privilege and power, so obviously certain communities of color have attained this now. not as a "totality", but in specific enclaves and within certain individuals, but that's a whole other convo

>Uh, Coates was giving "Girls" a pass. Coates wasn't addressing
>any of those issues; he was saying they weren't issues because
>they weren't what the "artist" Lena Dunham was trying to talk
>about.
>Coates is the same guy who says that Donald Trump and George
>Wallace (the infamous Governor of Alabama from the 60's)
>weren't racist because they just did racist things but didn't
>REALLY believe racist dogma. That dude's view of racism is as
>suspect as anyone's I've ever seen in my life. He's good a
>good writing style but I think his view of racism is all over
>the place.
>
>Coates spent an entire article saying, "You know what. These
>are problems. But now that I have to face it in real life and
>not in the hypothetical, I'm going to give it a pass."
>
>He did the same thing with X-Men: First Class.

uhh no he wasn't giving her a pass. he was stating that we shouldn't expect white people to write for/about us, nor should we expect them to do so accurately when they do. Coates was pointing to the more endemic problem of the lack of voices of color in cinema saying something about how Hollywood operates and understands audiences who buy tickets. it goes beyond Black/other(ed)-writers of color creating new Black/other(ed) narrative/stories, but that we can't even get them to cast people of color in roles that are not race specific. Quick example, a film like Inception, why was that whole cast white? none of those character's trajectories where dependent on race. yet Hollywood continues to cast movies as though this is 1950s America.

that other shit, i have not read, but it def has rubbed you the wrong way. personally Coates is one of the most skilled and insightful writers working today IMO

>Do you really think people nowadays say borderline racist shit
>and say "But I have a black friend?" People are far more
>dismissive of race as a problem. We're post-racial! We've got
>a black President. That's what people think nowadays.

again no. they vacillate between both extremes, generally related to their age. if anything Obama has made older White folk more comfortable in voicing their strident racism.

>For many white people, post-racial means they can say shit and
>not have to have a black friend to defend them. "Dear White
>People" plays more like a period pieces set in the 90's than
>something today.

you must've not gone to a predominately white college. which points to what i said below. young college kids of color on tumblr are reblogging this trailer like its a bath salts story because you know they actually still have to deal with non-post-race racism as they attain their educations.

>And the Ku Klux Klan still exists. Would this movie seem fresh
>if the KKK was the villain?
>If you're trying to present a fresh take on modern racism,
>going back to the old standards of racism and not addressing
>the new face of prejudice seems stale. It's like saying you're
>going to write a film about the new globalized world and make
>the Nazis the bad guys.
>I'm sorry that I'm not blown away by a sarcastic version of
>School Daze/Higher Learning or think that it is somehow of the
>time.

how do i even respond to this? The Klan does not need its face in modern cinema because they are looked at as caricatures and things of the past. white frat boys harassing and assaulting students of color is still very real. dick head moron racist frat boy isn't a pastoral experience of a white militia terrorizing communities of color. it's about affluent children of a racist society carrying on tradition. but see it the way you'd like

>
>And I'm not sure how "reactionary" is a bad thing since this
>film is supposed to be modern. The problem with this film is
>that it's not reactionary to new issues.

simple answer: being reactionary is a bad thing. usually involves emotion over analysis, dogma over dialogue, and stasis over process.

  

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48. "RE: well, i think i understand you more clearly now, but"
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>>Discussing the legitimacy and problems caused by the
>>existence of the thought that we are post-racial would be
>>interesting and eye-opening.
>
>and a film you have not watched you understand to NOT be doing
>that?

Admittedly, I'm jumping the gun but unless this was one of the few pitch reels that doesn't show the most intriguing and insightful elements of a film, I think it might be in trouble.

As others have said, it seemed like discussions from a decade or two ago and it's disappointing because I think the current era of casual racism/insensitivity is a really rich topic that has gone almost completely untapped.

Also, the website's mission statement and opening scene just came off as so pompous and unnecessary that I immediately held them to a higher standard and I (and many people here) didn't believe they lived up to it.


>we agree here. i would actually like to see a Black character
>take the "yes we can be racist NOW, but" position. racism is
>about bigotry/ignorance PLUS privilege and power, so obviously
>certain communities of color have attained this now. not as a
>"totality", but in specific enclaves and within certain
>individuals, but that's a whole other convo

That's one of the convos that I think needs to happen on film.


>uhh no he wasn't giving her a pass. he was stating that we
>shouldn't expect white people to write for/about us, nor
>should we expect them to do so accurately when they do. Coates
>was pointing to the more endemic problem of the lack of voices
>of color in cinema saying something about how Hollywood
>operates and understands audiences who buy tickets. it goes
>beyond Black/other(ed)-writers of color creating new
>Black/other(ed) narrative/stories, but that we can't even get
>them to cast people of color in roles that are not race
>specific. Quick example, a film like Inception, why was that
>whole cast white? none of those character's trajectories where
>dependent on race. yet Hollywood continues to cast movies as
>though this is 1950s America.

I feel like you contradicted yourself there because I see Girls as you see Inception. You could have made any of the characters IMO non-white and it wouldn't have changed the show. Entitlement isn't just a white issue.
My biggest beef with the casting wasn't that it ended up as a white cast but that Dunham said it was accidental; they didn't even realize how bad the first episode (with the only non-white characters being the asian girl who was good with computers and the black homeless dude) was kind of whitewashed. With the paucity of opportunities for non-white actors still being troubling, I think everyone has to keep their minds open during casting. "Oops, we didn't even notice!" isn't an excuse, it's pretty much the epitome of the problem.



>that other shit, i have not read, but it def has rubbed you
>the wrong way. personally Coates is one of the most skilled
>and insightful writers working today IMO

Yeah, he actually banned me from comments from the Atlantic site (and deleted my last comment) when I called him on it so I'm still salty.
He's a strong writer, I just think some of his views are shockingly flawed. Defending George Wallace and Donald Trump as not racist despite his admitting that they do racist things still is mind boggling to me.


>you must've not gone to a predominately white college. which
>points to what i said below. young college kids of color on
>tumblr are reblogging this trailer like its a bath salts story
>because you know they actually still have to deal with
>non-post-race racism as they attain their educations.

I went to Syracuse which was pretty separated racially. Shockingly and depressingly so IMO. But my friends and I started a fraternity and sadly, the old fashioned racism was still out there and I have no delusions that it'll ever go anywhere but I think the newer, more casual racism that was just starting up when I was in school is a far more interesting, timely topic.
But also, after being in a fraternity and seeing what my black friends had to weigh when considering joining it and some of the shit they had to put up with (and that they allowed to happen) if/when they did join is one of those untold stories and I'm always let down when you just see white frat boys as stock villains and the black character's decision being a fairly simplistic us or them.

And I'm not saying that none of the same issues still exist. I just think having the same discussions can stymie progress. Like maintaining the "Black people can't be racist" trump card.
Also, from the trailer, it just seems like this was more the kind of video that would resonate with people but I wasn't seeing anything that would make people think or question. Again, preaching to the choir will always resonate and get retweets but I'd rather have something challenging. And maybe this movie is. I don't know. I just don't think a satirical movie about white frat guys throwing a racist party that starts a race riot on the campus is gonna get there.



>simple answer: being reactionary is a bad thing. usually
>involves emotion over analysis, dogma over dialogue, and
>stasis over process.

Ah. I can get that. I just think the White Friend comedy (it would be more of a web short) could be more than that. Although I'm sure it's been done before.

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17. "there some thing to the age thing"
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here and on GD, us predominately older Black/people of color can see the links to older movies like School Daze etc. and it seems for yall that's a turn off.

but on tumblr 18-25 yrs old, many of the black/people of color are reblogging in spasmatic glee... i think that says something.

we have a reference that they don't, yet unlike most of you it's not a turn off to me. it seems interesting and could be funny.

  

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25. "we are ><"
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>here and on GD, us predominately older Black/people of color
>can see the links to older movies like School Daze etc. and it
>seems for yall that's a turn off.
>
>but on tumblr 18-25 yrs old, many of the black/people of color
>are reblogging in spasmatic glee... i think that says
>something.
>
>we have a reference that they don't, yet unlike most of you
>it's not a turn off to me. it seems interesting and could be
>funny.

but in addition to that
people on here are running to watch prequels and sequels
they moan after and a bit before but that bit before they are giving it a chance
the cynicism is to the point that they dont even want to give it a chance
kinda sad for them
i want to see what the kids can do with this frankly
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47. "agreed"
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11. "oh, more Tyler hate from niggas with no talent? pass"
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72. "niggas need talent to hate?"
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18. "i donated. so that gives me the right to fry the final product. "
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26. "you are better than me right now lol"
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i have to respect your support and right to opinion though

i'll support tomm

theres another project i'll be supporting as well
similar in theme
kinda eh


http://lens.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/05/22/some-of-her-best-friends-are-white/?hp

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1892784381/my-white-friends-0


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31. "LOL. So you can say that other project is kind of "eh""
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And when people here say this project is "eh", you get bent out of shape.

Hilarious.

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34. "lol you guys get bent out of shape "
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cause i called you all old and cynical

you really dont have a defense against that

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36. "I was hoping for more of a response than "You mad?""
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But I'll be old and cynical if you admit you're young and ignorant.

Deal?

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37. "why?"
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a. you guys arent deep

b. i'm older than you

c. the ignorance is showing in here and its not from me
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42. "You've added nothing to the conversation"
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as usual.

Enjoy the movie.

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44. "Is that what you think you're doing?"
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That called whining not conversation dude
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28. "I mean, here's the thing. There's a ton of "white films" that bite"
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and in biting, make something funny and original (what's The Big Lebowski but a comic Carver novel?)

So if these folks are biting Spike and Singleton (among others), and happen to make something funny? Good for them, and I hope they continue to have a good career.

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29. "exactly"
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sheesh
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39. "biting's not a big thing if you're adding a fresh perspective"
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or taking it in an interesting direction

not really seeing that from anything in this trailer though. kinda looks like an okp production.... that got shelved in 2001

  

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43. "Exactly."
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45. "ouch!"
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49. "okp isnt a film company"
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you talking about things that may or may not have been addressed on a message board...
has having "done this"

really folks?

for that matter school daze was old when spike thought of making it
black people knew about hbcu life decades before the movie came out

you guys really dont have a point here
again

ok so none of you saw avengers or chronicle or prometheus
or will be seeing spiderman or dark knight
no one must be watching game of thrones or true blood
after all this was all done in book form why watch a show about it...

or does this only apply to race?
or only black movies?

you really just typed that shit like it meant something
yall are an old and cynical trip


ok i'm back again because i'm cracking up
dude really just...

bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
it was addressed on a message board so the movie doesnt need to be made
the basis of most hollywood and indie movies a century if not decades old concepts
and this dude said a message board addressed it...
bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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56. "RE: okp isnt a film company"
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>for that matter school daze was old when spike thought of
>making it
> black people knew about hbcu life decades before the movie
>came out

Had there been a movie about it before that time? You have to admit that this movie plays like a greatest hits of those older movies, which leads to...


>ok so none of you saw avengers or chronicle or prometheus
>or will be seeing spiderman or dark knight
>no one must be watching game of thrones or true blood
>after all this was all done in book form why watch a show
>about it...

Spider-man is the closest example here and it is getting SLAMMED for the "Why do I want to hear this story again?" complaint. Avengers had never been made into a film, Prometheus was a completely different take. To a lesser extent, so were Dark Knight, Chronicle.
The reaction here is more like the Why? response to the shot-by-shot remake of Pyscho than those other films. It's the reason The Thing was met with a ho hum, who gives a shit response.

It's not that people are going to dismiss any movie about race; again, it's that this film brings no fresh look at any of the issues. It doesn't even seem to bring up more modern issues. It doesn't take a look at if from a different vantage point. Replace Tyler Perry with Driving Miss Daisy and you could have convinced me that this film was made in the 90's.
In fact, it seems to have less depth than Do the Right Thing because at least there Sal had a legit argument with his wall being what it was whereas the riot apparently starts in this film because of an obviously racist party.

This film preaches to the choir and that's fine if that's what you want to hear but don't get mad at everyone else when they aren't moved, don't want to listen to it, or don't think you're being fresh, insightful, or relevant when you're doing so.
I could see your issue if people were saying, "Fuck this movie, it should never get made." But we're not. We're saying, "I have no interest in seeing that movie. Pass."

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59. "no the issue is "lack of freshness""
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>movie, it should never get made." But we're not. We're saying,
>"I have no interest in seeing that movie. Pass."

that sentence isnt finished

instead we would rather see another movie which does the exact same thing

again there is nothing new under the sun

but somehow the buck stops here?


wait hold the fuck up
you went a saw the 21 fucking jump st remake
but this doesnt deserve a chance?
yall are seriously full of shit
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58. "nail on the head here:"
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>kinda looks like an okp production.... that got shelved in
>2001

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50. "This is a great post"
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and probably does a better job of racial dialog then the movie ever will, lol.

  

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51. "thanks reg"
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i look forward to movies that fully and adequately address societal ills
this happens pretty often...





*ahem*



in case you did't notice this is sarcasm



dont hold your breath for the next movie to fully and adequately addressing society's ills
in a fresh and timely way






i'm really wondering why these folks are in ptp or watch tv or movies at all
period
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53. "It's weird though"
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We need those movies, but the cynic in me says they are uber rare.

Imho in the history of film only one movie has ever done a good job(and id love to be proved wrong); Do the Right Thing. The rest of those late 80's early 90's movies came off as 'ghetto-porn'...alot of the later critiques leveled at Precious you could lay on the Boyz, etc...those movies have not aged well, lol.

That said, I don't see why people are hating at people giving it another go, especially the independent route. For all our bitching and whining of lets say Girls the way she got on was filing 'Tiny Furniture' on cheap and doing the festival circuit. Like Basiglia pointed out let support it now then trash the fuck out of it later, lol.


  

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54. "exactly"
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>That said, I don't see why people are hating at people giving
>it another go, especially the independent route. For all our
>bitching and whining of lets say Girls the way she got on was
>filing 'Tiny Furniture' on cheap and doing the festival
>circuit. Like Basiglia pointed out let support it now then
>trash the fuck out of it later, lol.



i watch girls
i just saw prometheus for cripes sake
i'm lining up for dark knight PT 3!!!!!
of how many remakes of which i saw at least 95% of
and i'm not the only one and absolutely not the only one in here
i see the range you know this

but lack of fresh content?

while yes we have made this commentary about hollywood in general
it hasnt stopped any one from seeing their movies
and esp not the white navel gazing indie world
but now we are going to draw the line?


and theres what a handful of these movies?

but we have batman up to the fucking ying yang
yeah thats new
thats fresh
lemme go look at that post to see the cries of but we've seen a white man save gotham a bajillion times why are they doing this again?
the third time in this installment alone
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52. "*smh*"
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55. "dont you shake you head at me!"
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always with the disapproval zoo
this isnt fresh either!
*shakes cane*
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60. "i went to school with two of the stars."
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the lead girl i didn't know too well. i worked with her at the campus bookstore. can't really say we're cool. her name is slipping my mind right now, to be honest. i find it hilarious to see her playing a militant. fucking hilarious.

the brother with the white girlfriend is my nigga Brandon, though. he always been a pretty boy actor nigga, but he's one of the coolest cats you could meet.

i wish the both of them luck.

i'm not in no rush to see this joint, though.

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61. "now you might understand"
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>the lead girl i didn't know too well. i worked with her at
>the campus bookstore. can't really say we're cool. her name is
>slipping my mind right now, to be honest. i find it hilarious
>to see her playing a militant. fucking hilarious.



my horror at your love for Onyx

them dudes are hilarious to me
at least she is acting
those dude still try to pass shit off
nope
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67. "holup, you think i love Onyx cause they keeps it real?"
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how quaint.

i don't care how many whiteboys knock out Sicky Fingaz and how many UPN shows Fredro be on. their music is dope.

and i ain't going to deny homegirl her militant turn. it's just a stark contrast from how she presented herself on campus. there was like one ridiculous bigblakafrika nigga on campus when we were in school, and that was me, getting ostracized for it. now niggas is making movies off it. haha

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69. "lol!"
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>many UPN shows Fredro be on. their music is dope.


just no dude

but then i've been spoiled went to school with tropical nee sticky
and steel from smith and wesson
evil d grew up in the same neighborhood


now thats good music
onyx is a joke in comparison
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64. "I don't understand the hate for this project at such an early stage"
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All yall seen is a fund raising trailer and folks have already written it off? The hate is strong in these forums. What happened to supporting black cinema?

Not saying you have to love it from get but I would think it would make sense to reserve the hate to when you actually know that its bad.


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65. "When has any trailer been posted here and not gotten instant reaction?"
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Especially one that opens by saying that it's attempting to bring back "Black Art House" and the likes of Do The Right Thing, Hollywood Shuffly, and Boyz 'n The Hood. I mean, that's setting a pretty high standard there. (And takes an unnecessary, tired jab at another black filmmaker.)

I'd also add that the hate has less to do with the reaction to the film and more to do with being told that one's opinion is wrong. Most people just weren't interested in the trailer; happens all the time.

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68. "Dat Shuffly is good...lol. "
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71. "actually its being told that your old"
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>I'd also add that the hate has less to do with the reaction to
>the film and more to do with being told that one's opinion is
>wrong. Most people just weren't interested in the trailer;
>happens all the time.

and cynical
which hurt a hell of alot of feelings
*shrugs*
and unfortunately for yall true

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66. "I'm glad the hate is strong personally"
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>All yall seen is a fund raising trailer and folks have
>already written it off? The hate is strong in these forums.
>What happened to supporting black cinema?

We should stop supporting bullshit.

From 2 chainz to Tyler Perry.

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70. "sheeeeeeeit if only"
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>We should stop supporting bullshit.


like i said dude has the nerve to be all up in the 21 jump street post
like
its good!
mad dudes in here support utter crap
but are now arm chair eberts?
for a movie they havent seen yet?
nope
sit they bad movie watching asses down and support
if you can support abe lincoln vampire hunter
which btw i plan on seeing but i'm not being a hypocrite about it
i know its not going to be good but i know i will be entertained
you can support this
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73. "The Birth Of 'Dear White People'"
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/justin-simien/dear-white-people_b_1598095.html

Perhaps it was being mistaken for the one other Black guy in my office by a colleague who had worked with him for years... Or perhaps it was being asked repeatedly by co-workers to teach them the Single Ladies Dance? Either way something provoked me to go on Twitter as @DearWhitePeople two years ago and start tweeting things like:

"Dear White People. The single ladies dance is dead. Please turn off your web cams and go on about your lives."

Meant to articulate the sometimes funny, mostly harmless, but occasionally painful experience of being a Black face in a vastly white place (i.e. most Hollywood work environments) @DearWhitePeople also served an ulterior motive of mine.

I'd been working for some time on a satire about race identity. The feature script for Dear White People follows the events leading up to a race riot a prestigious predominately white university through the perspectives of four very different Black students. While the script was culled from my
own college experiences and those of others I knew, I wanted to test out the voice of my lead character, Sam White, whose radio show "Dear White People" gives the film its title.



Sam, a kind of amalgamation of Dap from School Daze and iconic activist Angela Davis had a lot to say and I wanted to know what resonated with people.

As I charged through several drafts of the script, feedback from the twitter account would make its way into the project. Tweets that asked how I would feel if there was a "Dear Black People" prompted responses such as:

"Dear White People, there's no need for a Dear Black People. Reality
shows on VH1 and Bravo let us know exactly how you feel about us."

It's a line that survived all the way into the current draft of the feature script as well as the concept trailer we released on Wednesday to raise Pre Production funds. With 80K views, $10K raised, and a flurry of comments generated within just a 24 hour period it would seem that this line and few
others have struck a nerve!

There are some defensive knee jerk reactions to the phrase "Dear White People" and I get it. No one wants to be called racist, and some folks are still waking up from the fantasy that having a Black president means America has somehow become "Post-Racial." (By the way, if the "birther movement" and the tragedy involving Trayvon Martin hasn't sobered you up yet, just check out the Youtube comments section for the Dear White People trailer).



The truth is, my film really isn't about "white racism" or racism at all. As I see it racism is systemic and is inherently reflected in any honest story about life as a minority in this country. What my film is about however is identity. It's about the difference between how the mass culture responds to a person because of their race and who they understand themselves to truly be.

I'm a tall, occasionally funny, and perhaps baby-faced Black man. There is a distinct difference between my interactions with someone whose closest cultural cue to what I am is Will Smith (if I'm lucky) and those with someone who's last impression of a Black person involved watching an episode of Cops or even worse Maury Povich.

These impressions easily turn into the way I'm treated, the level of respect I'm given, expectations placed on me and in some cases opportunities denied. (I could expound, but that's probably better served in a different post. Or better yet just read the brilliant "Who's Afraid of Post-Black America"
by Tour).

Culture is ubiquitous. From the time a person is born, television, movies, cliques in school and Abercrombie and Fitch ads subtlety suggest to them on a subconscious level who they should and should not be due to their race, gender, looks and sexual orientation (just to name a few). Identity is a powerful concept. It can open up potential and it can severely limit it.

While there are countless cultural cues for white men in particular being constantly fed to the culture, being a minority with ambition often means being the only minority in the room. And sometimes in my case patiently explaining that while I am a filmmaker who happens to be Black I have absolutely no desire to be the "next Tyler Perry."

With the continued support for Dear White People, I sincerely hope to feed at least one more complex and nuanced story to the culture. And while I am truly humbled and overwhelmed by support for the project we've got a long way to go. Hit me up Hollywood! Check out the trailer below:

(i realized he called toure brilliant this is going to get ugly really really fast)
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74. "ugghh, I hate when artist explain their work. Just put it out there."
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77. "i thought that was just me..."
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Put it out.

I don't need you to tell me why you did it...

I should think I'd be able to figure it out by watching it, etc.

But, I am curious about this and will check it out whenever it comes out...

Get Out the Room
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153. "word. no disclaimers, at least not at this point."
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too soon. They're gonna blunt the artistic impact.

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78. "Fuck Toure...he took ANOTHER shot at Tyler Dogg"
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I see he's pushing in all his chips on getting the love of the hipster and blipster crowd. Whatever, Dogg...they gonna be watching Girls and ignoring EVERY project you have after this one.

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75. "Stephanie Allain has signed on to executive produce"
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so ha!


http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/exclusive-stephanie-allain-joins-dear-white-people-as-executive-producer#


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76. "the trailer was cute"
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I'm curious...

And, Stephanie Allain producing? I think that kinda puts a legtimate stamp on the project...

but, they might want to dial down on "bringing Black Art House movies back", because Ava DuVernay and various others will say it never left...

but, now I want to see what the finished product looks like...

Get Out the Room
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79. "Yaaaah more black people on screen"
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Looks a little cliche, but hell i'm excited to even see some black college shit that isn't higher learning.

I hope that the full movie stays away from super cliche shit, but by already mentioning some of the greats they're setting themselves up for a let down.

I'll support it though, I just wish they'd change the fucking title and try and broaden their scope a bit.

Get out the room,
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http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/get-out-the-room/id525657893

Situation Podemy love

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80. "wrong place"
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n/m

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81. "Congrats to 'Dear White People,' Indiewire & Tribeca Film Institute's Pr..."
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http://www.indiewire.com/article/congrats-to-dear-white-people-indiewire-tribeca-film-institutes-project-of-the-year

Congratulations to Justin Simien, whose "Dear White People" has been designated the first-ever Indiewire Project of the Year!
He and another member of his filmmaking team will be heading to the 2013 Tribeca Film Festival to participate in the Filmmaker/Industry Meetings hosted by the Tribeca Film Institute.

In case you forgot, here's the pitch that helped "Dear White People" snag the prize:

Remember when Black movies didn't neccesarily star a dude in a fat suit and a wig? Or have major plot twists timed to Gospel numbers for no apparent reason?

The humble producers of DEAR WHITE PEOPLE, a satire about being a black face in a white place, long to bring those days back.

The film follows four black students at a predominately white Ivy League where a popular "African American themed" party takes place. Through their unique perspectives the film tackles race identity in "post-racial" America while weaving a universal story of forging one's unique path in the world.

To read more about the project, click here.

Typically only open to Tribeca Film Institute grantees, the Filmmaker/Industry meetings are a great place for filmmakers to be linked with sales agents, co-producers, and mentors. Here's the official description of the event:

Every year during the Tribeca Film Festival, TFI holds their Filmmaker/Industry Meetings for their newly-minted grantees. As a networking forum, the Filmmaker/Industry Meetings encourage the discovery of new projects by introducing industry participants to a carefully curated group of narrative and documentary filmmakers (as well as content creators) participating in TFI programs, including: Tribeca All Access, the TFI Sloan Filmmaker Fund, the TFI Documentary Fund, the TFI Latin America Media Arts Fund and the TFI New Media Fund. Over 150 people participated in the Filmmaker/Industry Meetings in 2012, and many grantees came out of the two-day event having secured broadcast deals, outreach partners and/or development deals.


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82. "This thread ain't fucking dead yet? nm"
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83. "dont you have your own threads to lick and post?"
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dont act like you have discriminating tastes dude
thats a joke
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84. "I'll say it with pride. I'm a hater."
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Let us know how it is. Since you the only one remotely interested in this shit. And after you post about seeing it, let this shit die.

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85. "me, tribeca film institute, indiewire, washington post"
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600,000 viewers on youtube


just a "few" interested people...


you on the other hand can stick to your million hollywood crappy projects posts
at least i dont try to elevate them beyond what they are
you might try the same and stick to your posts
and your lane
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86. "That entire post was hilarious."
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Like I said after you see this shit let this post die. It could've died with some dignity,but you let that time past.

Oh and if even cared to vote for Spilled Lattes, you would've seen that most of the films I loved from last year were indies.

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87. "you still here?"
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might as well see the movie if you are going to stay

and while you're at it
stay in your lane
dont try to get out of it now
way too late for that shit
you have an Olympus Has Fallen post to assiduously attend
so original a concept
so wonderful
go rep your set kid
A Madea movie is due soon as well
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88. "None of this makes any sense. No of it"
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>might as well see the movie if you are going to stay
>
>and while you're at it
>stay in your lane
>dont try to get out of it now
>way too late for that shit
>you have an Olympus Has Fallen post to assiduously attend
>so original a concept
>so wonderful
>go rep your set kid
>A Madea movie is due soon as well
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>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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89. "you in here? i agree"
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here is where you belong:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=6&topic_id=644821&mesg_id=644821&page=


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90. "I think I'll stay a while. "
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As a matter of fact, I can't wait to read your review.

*makes self at home in post*

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91. "popcorn?"
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92. "Yes please."
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Can you get me a glass of water too while your at it?

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93. "Update!"
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http://youtu.be/ZHUhqaFjk34


The Shadow & Act Filmmaker Diary Series with 'Dear White People' (Part One)

http://blogs.indiewire.com/shadowandact/shadow-act-filmmaker-diary-series-with-dear-white-people-1



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94. "Accepted to Sundance! "
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97. "i saw!"
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old folks still mad though
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102. "Nobody's mad, dude. People just have opinions. "
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You're making yourself look like a major asshole all over this post, by the way.

  

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108. "Opinion on a film not seen"
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I'm not the asshole in here


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111. "Right, becaue all opinions on Tyler Perry films are after watching"
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Shut the entire fuck up

Like, all the way

I'm doing you a favor here

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116. "listen you love TP this much go suck his dick"
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your stupid ass is up in here offended for some tyler perry
and he aint even thinking about your really stupid behind


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112. "No, you're definitely the asshole in this situation. "
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You posted the trailer for a movie and people didn't respond favorably. Then, you started attacking people; calling them old, etc. Like a real dick. Period. I don't know if you're involved in the project or just close to someone who is, but this entire post is really How Not to Take Criticism 101.

Also, people pass judgement on movie trailers all the time on this board. All the damn time. Hell, there's an entire post full of people complaining about the casting of Wonder Woman.

  

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117. "i'm not, which makes yall responses"
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>You posted the trailer for a movie and people didn't respond
>favorably. Then, you started attacking people; calling them
>old, etc. Like a real dick. Period. I don't know if you're
>involved in the project or just close to someone who is, but
>this entire post is really How Not to Take Criticism 101.


even worse

this isnt criticism
you cant "critique" something that wasnt made yet
damn yall lofty as fuck on a little bit of something that hasnt made it out the box
you know what kind of thinking that is?
old

but your feelings are hurt up off of that
and i'm supposedly the asshole for pointing out that actually
yall are being the assholes
old assholes

>Also, people pass judgement on movie trailers all the time on
>this board. All the damn time. Hell, there's an entire post
>full of people complaining about the casting of Wonder Woman.


this wasnt even a damn trailer
it was a pitch for fund raising
you havent even seen the damn trailer yet

this is how much yall got your foots in your mouths and up your old asses


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118. "Yeah, you really are though. "
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>even worse
>
>this isnt criticism
>you cant "critique" something that wasnt made yet

When you post a 3 minute trailer for a movie, people are absolutely within their rights to be critical of it. Has nothing to do with being old or any of that other stupid shit you said.

>yall are being the assholes
>old assholes

Yup. That makes sense. Someone doesn't think a movie looks good to them, they must be old and out of touch. It can't possibly be that this project isn't the end all and be all to everyone else that you clearly think it is.

No. No, that's not it. In fact, that's really stupid. Maybe people just didn't think it looked good? Yeah. That makes way more sense.

>this wasnt even a damn trailer
>it was a pitch for fund raising
>you havent even seen the damn trailer yet

A three minute long "pitch" featuring characters, dialogue & locations in what one can only assume is the tone of the movie. Much more there than is in a lot of official trailers. Completely fair to start passing judgement. I mean, isn't that what the point of this pitch is? To get people to pass judgement. The hope is that the judgement is "This looks interesting to me. I'll donate." Except that didn't happen here, and you got pissy.

There's nothing to see here except people expressing their opinions and you acting butt hurt.

  

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120. "an asshole"
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is someone who looks at a preview of a fundraising teaser
to make a movie
and considers it the end product... of something they read on a message board

assumes that i know the people involved
or
i hate tyler perry
or
that the work isnt a fresh or new perspective on a board of fools that see derivative movies and/or sequels with relish


yall acting pissy and hurt as fuck because i called yall old


no that is asinine
that is asshole behavior
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123. "Bwahaha @ "Fresh perspective." Zero fresh perspectives in this shit"
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Don't nobody care about this dumb shit

For serious

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124. "Dude, everyone understands that this isn't the end product. "
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>is someone who looks at a preview of a fundraising teaser
>to make a movie
>and considers it the end product... of something they read on
>a message board

The preview was released because it would be indicative of the final product, right? That's the entire fucking point of doing a trailer, a teaser trailer, a sizzle real, a fundraising pitch or whatever the fuck you want to call it. People watched that preview and based on that deduced that it didn't look like their cup of tea. Period. And people do it all day every day.

There is nothing assholish about that.

  

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95. "Perhaps the least interesting film project of the last five years."
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Good luck to them, of course.

Glad there were white people guilty enough to give this
a chance.

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96. "Oh shit!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..."
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>
>Glad there were white people guilty enough to give this
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98. "says the dude overly interested in seeing the Oldboy remake"
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sit down
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99. "I'd rather watch Madea's 'Oldboy' than this trite niggatude"
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This dumb shit actually makes black folks look worse than
Madea does

Of course white people feel guilty enough to give it a
chance, though

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100. "you watch alot of trite already"
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dont get picky now

and think it means something
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105. "You need a new chewstick"
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107. "Not enough asian girls in it for you?"
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109. "Got any recommendations?"
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Something crabby
Or barrell-like
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110. "You already chewed up all the dick-flavored ones"
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Inbox your paypal, I'll send you some money for
ass tasting sticksand for a jar of beeswax...
I'm here to help

My goodness, what a bohoe u is

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114. "i'm not in your mouth, not enough room"
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too much spike lee



how old
how fuddy duddy
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101. "Wait have you seen the film?"
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Or this is just crabs in a barrel?

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104. "Is it "crabs in a barrel" when people criticize Tyler Perry flicks off j..."
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Before they've seen them?

I've read about the film. I've listened to the
filmmakers. It sounds like among the most pointless
projects ever put together.

I'm going to pass, thank you.


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113. "they NEVER wanna talk about that shit tho, O"
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it baffles the fuck outta me they can't see the contradiction. that's why i support EVERY black filmmaker, so i can talk my shit without lookin like a hipster fucktard.

____________________________________________________


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115. "as do i"
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>it baffles the fuck outta me they can't see the
>contradiction. that's why i support EVERY black filmmaker, so
>i can talk my shit without lookin like a hipster fucktard.

and look

fuctards galore
on a damn promo
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138. "I think people are quick to judge TP because if you have seen one"
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or two you really have seen them all.


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141. "and i dont have an issue with TP"
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nor with his audience
(until they go mistermax and try to call it genius or brilliant)


the director explains that he doesn't really either
below

i'm still going to give this a chance
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103. "RE: I'd rather watch Madea's 'Oldboy' than this trite niggatude"
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>Of course white people feel guilty enough to give it a
>chance, though

I don't. Other than money, there's honestly not anything that could make me watch something like this.

  

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106. "Good. You get zero cool, hip points watching this"
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>
>>Of course white people feel guilty enough to give it a
>>chance, though
>
>I don't. Other than money, there's honestly not anything that
>could make me watch something like this.


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119. "jesus christ--"
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this arguments been going on for over a year

  

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121. "RE: jesus christ--"
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>this arguments been going on for over a year

and the shit is a circle jerk at that.

just let the movie come out.


when it does, people can watch it and *THEN* come back and go in on each other.

Shit hasn't even come out yet or may NEVER come out if we really want to be real about it...

smh niggas, I swear.

Get Out the Room
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122. "Yeah, this looks like crap."
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I couldn't even finish the trailer. The "white folks, you can't do this around black people" crap is old and passe. This comes off more preachy instead of being subtle. I'm not impressed.


Since 1976

  

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125. "eh. its too irrelevant and not subversive enough to be funny."
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But aside from that:
None of this will matter in 10 years when Hispanics outnumber Whites AND Blacks.
Pop culture seems content with focusing on trivial arguments that have been outdated for the past 20 years.
Not to mention, "mixed" children have been on the rise since the '80s.
Yet, we desperately cling onto the "White/Black thing".

  

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126. "Well, no. "
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>But aside from that:
>None of this will matter in 10 years when Hispanics outnumber
>Whites AND Blacks.

Wrong, because the "white/black" thing manifests within
the Hispanic community too

It'll always be relevant. Always.

>Pop culture seems content with focusing on trivial arguments
>that have been outdated for the past 20 years.

Outdated based on what?

>Not to mention, "mixed" children have been on the rise since
>the '80s.

Lol


>Yet, we desperately cling onto the "White/Black thing".

That's because its never going anywhere. Wish it did, but
it won't.

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128. "I kept thinking about that scene in the film Lean On Me"
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when the hispanic teens were complaining to crazy Joe about everything being "Black this, Black that".
I agree tho. I didn't say that racism is irrelevant.
I'm talking about the dynamics of how young White people are IRL versus this Dear Whitey movie.
Its just not subversive enough.
And its too polite.
Yeah, I know Hispanics have color issues just like Black folks do.
But atleast they have more unity.
This movie doesnt even address the hypocrisy that goes on amongst Black people.
Lets tackle that before doing a "White people who have Black friends" issue.
Hell, theres Black folks in the Bay who are cool with White folks sayin "nigga".
This movie seems too timid to be raw & honest.

  

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129. "I can respect that. n/m"
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>when the hispanic teens were complaining to crazy Joe about
>everything being "Black this, Black that".
>I agree tho. I didn't say that racism is irrelevant.
>I'm talking about the dynamics of how young White people are
>IRL versus this Dear Whitey movie.
>Its just not subversive enough.
>And its too polite.
>Yeah, I know Hispanics have color issues just like Black folks
>do.
>But atleast they have more unity.
>This movie doesnt even address the hypocrisy that goes on
>amongst Black people.
>Lets tackle that before doing a "White people who have Black
>friends" issue.
>Hell, theres Black folks in the Bay who are cool with White
>folks sayin "nigga".
>This movie seems too timid to be raw & honest.

  

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130. "wha? no"
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>But atleast they have more unity.


just stay away from mentioning latinos
yall have a load of homework to do
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131. "my granddad on my momma side was Dominican."
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My homework was already graded.
I grew up in the Lower East side (of Manhattan). Thats all I've known.
C'mon, you know full well that the Hispanic community is tighter than the Black.
Black folks don't stick together. Atleast not like THAT.
Puerto Ricans & Dominicans aint perfect, but they definitely have more unity.

  

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132. "Then you need to go back for more education"
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>My homework was already graded.
>I grew up in the Lower East side (of Manhattan). Thats all
>I've known.

well you failing in here and hard
and yes your limits to the LES is very telling

>C'mon, you know full well that the Hispanic community is
>tighter than the Black.

wtf?
no

good lord
stop
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134. "the arrogance in OKP."
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You guys. smh
Have you ever lived in LES?
I got family there.

  

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139. "*holds up a mirror*"
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you talking about millions of people

all of latinidad

having more of a cohesive...smh*


you know what, nevermind

you go ahead and keep typing your ignorance

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133. "That is one of the least true things ever said on the internet. "
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>Puerto Ricans & Dominicans aint perfect, but they definitely
>have more unity.

Maybe more than Israeli's and Palestinians.

But these two groups don't get along at all.

If they do, its longer term New York latinos who now
identify as New Yorkers first. Not because of any
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135. "no dude, PRs and DRs seperately, not together. "
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I mentioned them in the same sentence because those are who I grew up around.
I know they're enemies (like Haitians and Jamaicans).

  

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136. "Weird comparison, and still not true. "
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>I mentioned them in the same sentence because those are who I
>grew up around.
>I know they're enemies (like Haitians and Jamaicans).

And Haitians and Jamaicans aren't really "enemies."

I don't really care to discuss this anymore, though,
because its been talked about to death and isn't
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137. "We talking bout the Domincan Republic that just stripped 200k people of ..."
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or has a long history of KILLLING Haitians who find themselves on the wrong side of the border...who's own black population doesnt consider themselves black?

LOL.

Latinos are WORSE then America when it comes to racism because America acknowledges it at least. There may be a culture that unites them in the US (similar to af-americans) but left to their own devices they hate black people like everyone else.

Also, Haitians/Jamaicans/Trini, etc....its more like a rivalry in the Islands then any real animosity...not like they actively persecute each other unlike the above.

  

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127. "filmed at my Alma Mater"
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its filled to the brim with white folks

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140. ""
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http://variety.com/2013/film/features/10-directors-to-watch-justin-simien-puts-white-people-in-perspective-1200970719/

Premiering at Sundance, 'Dear White People' expands upon Justin Simien's satirical Twitter handle

Logan Hill

10 Directors to Watch
FILM 12:02 PM
Variety Announces This Years 10 Directors to Watch

Remember when black movies didnt necessarily star a dude in a fat suit and a wig?

SEE MORE: From the December 17, 2013 issue of Variety

With that pointed query, Justin Simien kicked off his successful Indiegogo crowd-funding push for his debut feature, Dear White People, in June 2012. He immediately hit a nerve: His witty concept trailer went viral and soon the filmmaker, whose publicity skills were sharpened in the marketing offices of Focus and Paramount, was responding to the buzz on CNN. Now hes headed to Sundance.

The Texas-born filmmaker may mock Tyler Perry movies, but he insists he doesnt intend to throw shade at fellow black filmmakers, as much as push back against studio executives with limited imaginations: Films with predominantly white casts can come in any form, tell any story, big or small. For black films, you have the light fluffy rom-coms or Madea movies and then you have the black torture awards movie.

Hes quick to add, I love 12 Years a Slave and Fruitvale (Station), but Im annoyed that the only versions of a black film thats artful have to be these gut-wrenching, historical stories about us suffering, or stories about inner-city kids with horrible problems like gun violence. Theyre all morality plays, and whats gotten lost is a story that is complex, that asks questions like a Do the Right Thing.

Simiens ensemble satire, set on a fictional Ivy League campus, follows a black college radio host who offers frank advice (Dear white people, please stop touching my hair) and questions plans for an on-campus race-themed costume party.

Simien, whos also producing the half-hour comedy Twenties with his collaborator Lena Waithe, says it was difficult to coax money out of producers until Code Red Films stepped in, not because the film is so controversial, but because there have been so few comparable satires starring black actors.

Studios liked the script, but said they had no model for it and they didnt, Simien says, laughing.  Do the Right Thing and Hollywood Shuffle were in the 1980s!

Stats:
Age: 30
Home base: Los Angeles
Agent: Charles King (WME)
Manager: Benjamin Rowe (Oasis Media Group)
Lawyer: Gordon Bobb (Del, Shaw, Moonves, Tanaka, Finkelstein & Lezcano)

...
hope this works out for him
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145. "i appreciate you updating this and I want to learn more"
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I'm initially skeptical just because the guy seems so smug but I mostly agree with his points about the industry's relationship to producing films from the perspective of non-whites.

  

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146. "No problem and here you go"
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http://youtu.be/gfGRabHDWVk


Filmmaker Justin Simien on his film "Dear White People," premiering in the U.S. Dramatic Competition at the 2014 Sundance Film Festival.

Learn more about the film at: http://filmguide.sundance.org/film/13914/dear_white_people

...
I think this is pretty cool for dude

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142. "Resounding L. "
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I am entertained.

  

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143. "Going to sundance. Bye!"
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144. "OMG I'M SO IMPRESSED Lfresh! BYE! "
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147. "Solid-to-Good Sundance reviews"
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And they've got President Pedro Cerrano in there! And some Veronica Mars love with Tessa Thompson and Kyle Gallner. And the underrated Malcolm Barrett.

The reviews seemed to like the film but thought it has some storytelling/third act problems that are normal for new directors.

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149. "Yay!"
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I'm happy for them
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148. "Won the U.S. Dramatic Special Jury Award For Breakthrough Talent"
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award at Sundance

Happy for those kids...

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150. "!"
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Cool beans
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151. "Oct 17th release date"
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http://www.afropunk.com/profiles/blogs/feature-dear-white-people-movie-gets-official-theater-release




http://www.blackfilm.com/read/2014/06/justin-simiens-dear-white-people-to-hit-theaters-on-october-17/


Lionsgate and Roadside Attractions will release Justin Simiens provocative and timely comedy DEAR WHITE PEOPLE on October 17, 2014
Winner of the Special Jury Award for Breakthrough Talent at this years Sundance Film Festival, Simiens debut feature is a satirical look at campus life and racial politics at a fictional Ivy League college, and pays homage to such groundbreaking films as Spike Lees School Daze and Robert Townsends Hollywood Shuffle.

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152. "New Teaser"
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http://trailers.apple.com/trailers/independent/dearwhitepeople/

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154. "going to see it Monday"
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shouts to BSR
=)


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155. "This might well be a 4th quarter comeback for ifresh"
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And any gloating she does will be well deserved

  

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156. "yup"
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and I'm'a smile too

  

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157. "but sometimes u gotta let the movie speak for itself"
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Ridin' that hard something u haven't seen can come across as trolling.

  

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158. "That's sort of the point of calling it a 4th quarter comeback."
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You can't have a first quarter comeback if you weren't down going in now can you? Much of this post was down on the movie and her, so if this movie turns out to be good, she gets one hell of a last laugh on all of us and this whole post should be archived.

  

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159. "pretty sure that's an L bro"
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178. "Pretty sure you're completely unclear on the concept bro"
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It's not an L if she turns out to be right, and it a looks like she was.

  

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182. "it might have been a play on words"
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as in its Lfresh
but it might also work for this post
which it doesn't
but folks is stubborn
but i suspect hes trying to correct the spelling
Lfresh
as in Ladyfresh
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184. "oh shit lol well then. I always read it as ifresh. "
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my bad

  

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160. "Nelson George profile of director Justin Simien (swipe)"
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nytimes.com:

>Happy to Be Your Guide to Black Identity
Justin Simien Goes Mainstream With ‘Dear White People’
By NELSON GEORGE
OCT. 9, 2014

In the YouTube video “How to Fake You Watched the BET Awards,” two 20-ish black men run into each other at a coffee shop. One asks the other if he watched the ceremony, which is annually one of the year’s most-viewed cable shows among African-Americans. His companion stumbles for a reply.

Cut to a bespectacled, tie-wearing host, who says: “Are you black but not ‘black’ black? I get it. Things can get awkward when you are expected to participate in certain cultural touchstones, even though you don’t really care. You know you need to front, but how? Don’t worry. I got you.”

What follows are suggested responses (“Of course, man, did you see the fight?”; “Say what you will about his personal life, that Chris Brown can dance”) that are either satirical, droll or matter of fact, depending on your knowledge of or irritation with black mainstream pop culture. The video ends with our host observing, “Few things are more satisfying than living up to the racial stereotypes held about you by your closest friends.”

This post, which has had more than 56,000 views since the summer, is part of a medley of satirical short videos and public-service announcements on the Dear White People channel, a reflection of the worldview that the writer-director Justin Simien has been developing since 2006. His comic vision goes mainstream with the release of a feature film, also titled “Dear White People,” on Oct. 17. It was well received at the Sundance Film Festival in January, winning Mr. Simien a special jury award for breakthrough talent and getting him named one of Variety’s 10 directors to watch.

Set at fictional Winchester University, an Ivy League-style institution with financial problems, “Dear White People” focuses on African-American undergraduates connected both by race and their obsession with media, old-school and new:

Samantha White is the biracial campus provocateur, host of the incendiary radio show that gives the film its title.

Lionel Higgins is a socially awkward, gay would-be journalist trying to fit into highly stratified campus cliques.

Coco Conners burns for reality-show stardom, 100,000 followers on YouTube and acceptance by white and black gatekeepers, including a controversy-seeking TV talent scout.

Troy Fairbanks, son of Winchester’s dean, seeks membership on the staff of Pastiche, a satirical magazine modeled on The Harvard Lampoon, as a way to escape familial pressure to succeed.

The film has earned comparisons with two pointed late-'80s comedies, Spike Lee’s “School Daze” and Robert Townsend’s “Hollywood Shuffle,” but “Dear White People” is distinguished by a contemporary sensibility: not post-black, but very much 21st century as it tries to update and expand notions of black identity. With the civil rights generation fading in prominence, there’s latitude for myth making, and Mr. Simien finds his voice in the fluidity of current racial and sexual politics.

For Mr. Simien, a 31-year-old Texas native, the inspiration for “Dear White People” was his undergraduate years in Southern California at Chapman University. “A black face in a white place,” he said, is both the tagline for the movie and the reality of his life on campus, where only 1.6 percent of the student body is black.

While at Chapman, he was also coming to terms with his identity as a young gay man. This dual struggle informs the final film, though the idea would go through several permutations. Would it be a TV show, web series or feature film? At one point, Mr. Simien had a Robert Altman-style script, focused on eight characters. In this early stage of the writing, Mr. Simien found inspiration in the bold comic choices he saw on “Chappelle’s Show,” the 2003-6 Comedy Central series.

As Mr. Simien began making a living in Los Angeles, shooting shorts and looking for a way into the film industry, the character of the critical thinker Sam White became a constant.

“Sam White is bound by her identity,” Mr. Simien said. “I always heard her voice in my head as she’s juggling gender issues and two racial identities. I anchored the piece around her. She came out part Lisa Bonet and part Angela Davis.”

To develop the script and build a following for the concept, Mr. Simien began tweeting as Sam White under the handle @dearwhitepeople. He tested jokes, and many of his tweets, as well as some of the responses, a few of them hostile, ended up in the script verbatim.

Another crucial element was Lionel, who’s “on the opposite end of the identity struggle from Sam,” Mr. Simien said. “Where she’s bound by her identity, Lionel doesn’t have much of one. To surrender your ego, you have to have one first. I find that black gay men in the culture are usually portrayed in the most extreme way. We are used to the exoticized version.”

With the help of a tax refund, Mr. Simien shot a “Dear White People” trailer in 2012 that led to a successful Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign, raising $50,000 and attracting the attention of film industry veterans like the Los Angeles Film Festival director and independent producer Stephanie Allain (“Hustle & Flow”), who wound up serving as an executive producer of the project.

Her teenage daughter “freaked out over the trailer,” Ms. Allain said, and her former assistant Mel Jones, who became the film’s associate producer, urged her to read the script. “This was a week before my festival, and I was swamped,” she recalled. But she read it and found that “I loved Justin’s mind: smart, funny and totally on point.”

Besides, she added, “as a black face in the mostly white place of Hollywood, it stuck a chord.”

After seven years of writing and pushing, Mr. Simien finally shot his film over 20 days at the University of Minnesota last summer, anchoring the film around a gifted cast of young actors, including Tessa Thompson as Sam, Tyler James Williams (from “Everybody Hates Chris”) as Lionel and Teyonah Parris (“Mad Men”) as Coco.

“Dear White People” opens with its lead characters watching a news report about a campus riot at a hip-hop-theme party where white students cavort in blackface. If that’s not disturbing enough, they are not simply watching TV, but each is staring directly into the camera with uncomfortable intensity. It’s as if they’re watching us as we watch them, a visual motif that Mr. Simien and his director of photography, Topher Osborn, use throughout the film.

“For me, it’s about the impact of mass culture, what it says about them and what’s impressed upon” the characters, Mr. Simien said. “It forces you to make judgments about them that during the course of the film we take apart.”

One of the more provocative themes of “Dear White People” is the appropriation of hip-hop by the white mainstream.

“Hip-hop isn’t dead by any means,” Mr. Simien said, “but it’s not something I define my black identity with. Hip-hop is pop now. It has officially been co-opted by the mainstream. It’s not ours anymore. It’s not the cutting edge of black music anymore. I find myself listening to Blood Orange and Janelle Monáe and artists like that.”

In a year marked by the death of several unarmed young black men around the nation, Mr. Simien said he hoped his film resonated with millennials. “I’m really looking at people whose postracial bubble is yet to be popped,” he said. “I want this to be part of a cross-cultural conversation they’ve never had before. Our movie couldn’t have come out at a better time.”

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161. "i really really enjoyed that movie"
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seeing it at BAM was the icing on top

He really did the damn thing with this
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162. "Really good flick. Very confident for a feature debut."
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Well-acted across the board, sharp writing throughout. Simien has a future in features.

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167. "fam how you watching all these new flicks?"
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this. birdman. fury, etc. you just droppin doe like that or you got some kind of pass

  

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169. "MoviePass is your best friend"
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https://www.moviepass.com

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170. "Thanks for this Frank"
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I'm definitely checking this out.

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172. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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173. "forget 'ello"
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this is something i need to think about

thanks frank

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176. "fuck this is brilliant. wish it was available in toronto n/m"
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179. "BRUH."
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i'm out.
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185. "good looks"
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i had something similar to this when i lived in london in 2001

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200. "dude"
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thanks!

(and htf have i never heard of this)

  

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174. "word. thanks"
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163. "funny/very witty but"
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towards the end, it left a lot to be desired. i believe this was
close to two hours but, i wanted more out of this. very pleasant
surprise though. oh..and 'the kissing scenes'.....WHHHY?!


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164. "Yeah I wanted more-"
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But I think I wanted more, because I felt like I wasn't the main audience- It's definitely for folks that haven't got into Spike for whatever reason-

It was preachy, recycled jokes..etc
but still pretty solid for first timer

  

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165. "kinda felt like an incomplete assignment"
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at school or something. a fine arts/intro to african american lit
course. if i pay close to $13 for a movie and people pooled in
money for your effort, i don't like an incomplete effort...you're in
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194. "RE: funny/very witty but"
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>. oh..and 'the kissing scenes'.....WHHHY?!

This isn't about the gay kissing scenes is it? Because I'm pretty sure there's no "why" necessary in those cases.

  

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166. "Dear White People is 97% on Rotten Tomatoes-Highest Rated Film by Critic..."
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Dear White People is the highest rated film by critics on
Rotten Tomatoes with 97%.

Just saw Addicted this weekend directed by another black filmmaker Bille Woodruff. I plan on seeing Dear White People tonight or next weekend in Brooklyn in support of this black filmmaker.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/dear_white_people/?search=dear%20white%20people

  

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168. "nah man, don't do it"
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don't do it
don't do it
PLZ GOD!
PLZ!
PLZ!

I BEG OF YOU!

Don't let LFresh be right
Ir'll blow her head up
I saw that preview and was nah, this corny
This look like some corny okp shit in real life
ima watch tho

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171. "Very good. And it's not "Okayplayer: The Movie" in the slightest."
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Unless you want to argue that there are militant, light-skinned posters, and gay journalists posting here who actually have identity issues.

Because that's really what this movie was about. To some, the fact that it's not 106 minutes of black kids going in on white people, despite the promise of such in the title, will be a disappointment. Kudos to Justin for actually trying to build a story, or a series of stories, about complicated young characters, instead of just making a straight polemic for the lulz. This is a movie that's really about college-age kids trying to figure out - or at least get on the road to figuring out - who they really are. Sam (Tessa Thompson, who's good) and Lionel (Tyler James Williams, also good) are the two glaring examples of this, but there are others in the movie as well. Which points to the only real issue I had with the movie, which is that it felt like Justin bit off a little more than he could chew with regard to all of the stories he tries to tell and points he wants to hit.

That said, I will not shit on his ambition, or the decisions that he ultimately makes, regarding some of the stories and characters.

I also liked the shout outs to his influences: yes, Spike Lee love is all over the movie, but I also detected some Altman in there, as well as some John Hughes, among others.

There's also some very sharp humor in this. Not Earth-shattering, game-changing humor, but nice, observed moments and throwaway pop culture jokes. I also thought the acting was solid across the board.

The bottom line, gang, is that this was an impressive debut. This kid - and the people he's associated with - have a lot more to say, and this is a solid start.

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177. "Hmmmm..."
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I guess I was misled by the original trailor. I mean, a bunch of black people yelling at a white cinema employee and high-fiving each other....it kinda looked like a really oversimplified, preachy movie.

It's been a LONG time since I seen it...but do you remember 'Hangin with the Homeboys'? I loved that movie. Gotta see it again. But I remember that it avoided the trap of making too much good guy/bad guy narratives in regards to racial issues. The characters were flawed in some ways, righteous in others....you felt for their struggles, but you also seen how they erred in reacting. I had assumed that 'Dear White People' wasn't gonna do that but it's starting to look like I was wrong. I'm hearing that it's not just a series of one-note characters.

  

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175. "QUESTION???"
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Why does the post count say 215

but there are only 170+ replies

deep question, yall

  

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180. "when the boards crashed last yr, a bunch of posts were lost"
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this one survived but some replies got lost

  

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181. "I really liked it, it was funny, cast was ok"
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183. "Donated and HAPPY to admit my L...reviews are very good, PROPS"
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I admit that I'm not into the gripes of upper middle
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186. "have you seen it yet? Is your name in the credits"
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187. "Review: The Souls of Ivy Folk"
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http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/the-souls-of-ivy-folk/

Without taking black radicalism seriously, all that a film like Dear White People can amount to is an instruction manual for white liberals on how not to offend their dear black friends.

In the February 1926 issue of The Crisis, W.E.B. Du Bois, noted scholar and activist, the first African-American to earn a Ph.D. from Harvard, and a “black face in a white place” if there ever was one, published a short article titled “Opinion of W.E.B. Du Bois: A Questionnaire.” margin-ad-rightIn it, Du Bois took volumes of analysis on black cultural representation and distilled them all into seven simple questions:

When the artist, black or white, portrays Negro characters is he under any obligations or limitations as to the sort of character he will portray?

Can any author be criticized for painting the worst or the best characters of a group?

Can publishers be criticized for refusing to handle novels that portray Negros of education and accomplishment, on the grounds that these characters are no different from white folk and therefore not interesting?

What are Negroes to do when they are continually painted at their worst and judged by the public as they are painted?

Does the situation of the educated Negro in America with its pathos, humiliation, and tragedy call for artistic treatment at least as sincere and sympathetic as “Porgy” received?

Is not the continual portrayal of the sordid, foolish, and criminal among Negroes convincing the world that this and this alone is really and essentially Negroid, and preventing white artists from knowing any other types and preventing black artists from daring to paint them?

Is there not a real danger that young colored writers will be tempted to follow the popular trend in portraying Negro character in the underworld rather than seeking to paint the truth about themselves and their own social class?

Du Bois knew what was up in 1926. His article lays out the relationship between racial representation and the market, something that artists in the contemporaneous Harlem Renaissance dealt with as their patrons encouraged images of blackness that would sell to white audiences. These issues have haunted every facet of black cultural production since.

In his article, Du Bois seems to call for serious depictions of the class that he famously referred to as “The Talented Tenth.” Du Bois himself made an effort, trying his hand at academic fiction with stories like “Of the Coming of John” in his landmark collection Souls of Black Folk, with the serial story “Tom Brown at Fisk,” and with novels like The Quest of the Silver Fleece, The Ordeal of Mansart, and Mansart Builds A School. But even if his exemplary work wasn’t successful in overturning the reductive interpretations black art still receives, he did express precisely what is at stake when black artists have dared to create nuanced portraits of black life that contest the derogatory images of blackness that white audiences seem to hunger for the most. On point as always, Du Bois succinctly articulated 88 years ago what it means to have a film like the new Dear White People be released in the same world where, as its protagonist Sam puts it, “Big Momma’s House 3 exists.” And it might seem a bit hyperbolic, but I’ll write it anyway: Dear White People is precisely the kind of creative work that Du Bois hoped for.

The film also runs up against the well-noted limitations of “The Talented Tenth” vanguard. Dear White People, the first film from 31-year-old director Justin Simien, is about a group of black students at Winchester University, a fictional Ivy League institution. Leading this group is Samantha White, a college radio DJ whose show “Dear White People” has become a campus phenomenon. Sam begins each episode invoking her title as an address to her audience, launching into a series of rants about the behavior of the school’s white students toward students of color, including dating interracially to piss off their white parents (as the daughter of the college president in the film does), touching a black person’s hair, or speaking to black students in what they understand to be “hip-hop slang.”

Lifting the name of Sam’s fictional radio show for the film’s title is a clever move, as it allows its inevitable white objectors to be anticipated and dismissed within the film. The Internet is still being flooded with people saying things like, “I wonder what would happen if I made a film called Dear Black People,” a line that gets dismantled within the first five minutes. As Sam argues on her radio show, mass culture is already chock full of material that illustrates what white people think of black folks. In fact, the biggest Dear Black People of all time, D.W. Griffith’s The Birth of a Nation, gets parodied in a satirical film Sam makes for one of her classes, one of many winks signaling Dear White People’s understanding of its own place in a white supremacist lineage of film history.

The opening montage of Dear White People shows off the three most prestigious departments at Winchester: business, media, and history. It’s not an irrelevant detail. What Simien has mapped out with those three departments is the precise intersection where the struggle over black representation takes place, the same intersection where Spike Lee set up his incendiary masterpiece on minstrelsy, Bamboozled, and where black critics have tried to make sense of Tyler Perry’s runaway success. Dear White People argues that this intersection meets on the campuses of the Ivy League, where the future studio heads, writers and filmmakers are cultivated, where the next generation of leaders in Hollywood, Manhattan and Silicon Valley is formed, and where the cultural interpretations of their work will be analyzed by historians and imparted to generations of other students on their way to power.

Dear White People is a remarkable accomplishment that fulfills the vision of an art that reflects the “situation of the educated Negro in America” as Du Bois expressed in Crisis. It won over audiences at Sundance, has hit theaters with an enviable media buzz, garnered hundreds of reviews in its initial limited run in major cities, and continues to do well in its full theatrical run. It’s certainly a flawed film, with uneven pacing, jokes that occasionally stumble, and some questionable characterizations. There are just too many characters and too damn much going on. (One character expresses his love for Robert Altman films, and this picture just shows how hard it is to pull off that Altman ensemble thing.) But it’s also a film of thrilling ambition, and one that illuminates a history of black academic representations in literature and film.

Dear White People revolves around four main characters. Sam, the resident black radical and new leader of Armstrong/Parker House, the black student house on campus; Troy Fairbanks, the dashing upwardly mobile son of the Dean of Students who loses the house election to Sam; Coco Conners, a rival to Sam who is jealous of Sam’s popularity and striving to create her own media presence as an assimilated respectable Negro, but who is also hiding her modest background; and Lionel Higgens, the geeky black gay writer who feels he doesn’t fit in at Armstrong/Parker, or with the white kids, or anywhere else. There is also a colorful cast of secondary characters including Kurt, the son of the President of Winchester, who edits the campus satire paper and is a smug, vocal critic of Sam and what he sees as overly-sensitive black students; and Reggie, Sam’s militant compatriot and principal backer of her campaign to lead Armstrong/Parker.

This is a college film with a black female lead, and with that we are already in rare territory. Academic novels and films often feature the clichéd white man behaving badly, usually while having a mid-life crisis and taking up with that seductive young temptress in his Short Story Writing class. While there are a handful of narratives with black female professors or students as lead characters, they are only a handful.Of course now we have Viola Davis as law professor Annalise Keating in Shonda Rhimes’s ABC hit How to Get Away With Murder. Professor Keating joins a small cadre of black female characters in academic fiction alongside the writer and professor Suzanne Alexander in Adrienne Kennedy’s somber play The Ohio State Murders, or the professor Nikki Chase in the Ivy League mystery novels by Pamela Thomas-Graham, or college student Meridian Hill in Alice Walker’s Meridian. The main conflict of the film is over the makeup of the historically black Armstrong/Parker House. The President has initiated a plan to integrate all of the campus residences, and the black students feel strongly that their black-only house is an important institution, a place of refuge in an environment where they face all kinds of microaggressions from white classmates. One group of white students, led by Kurt, insists that this historical arrangement is discriminatory. Kurt and his buddies try to have lunch at Armstrong/Parker’s dining hall only to get run out by Sam, who flips over his tray and forces them all to leave. Troy and his friends find her actions unnecessarily confrontational and embarrassing. However, Sam’s militancy is undercut by her anxiety about her black radical bonafides. Her father is white, and she is in love with a white guy, a relationship she keeps secret from her classmates.

And so we see that Dear White People is also a film willing to deal with the complexities of black identity. This is what the people who criticize the title of the film without seeing it will never get. Black artists are more than capable of self-reflection, self-parody and self-criticism; in fact, this is as much the subject of the film as the accusations against white students. Even Spike Lee’s films, often accused of racism, never settle on the pious innocence of the black characters. The famous riot at the end of Do The Right Thing is instigated by the black kids who Sal let in for one last slice at his pizzeria that night. There’s a similar moment of black culpability that comes at the end of this film as well.

Dear White People‘s convoluted plot culminates in a racist hip-hop-themed party where white students show up in oversized clothes, afros, and blackface. The backstory that unfolds about the invitation to the party feels like a contrivance that doesn’t really work, and which has echoes of a similar plot from the college film Spinning Into Butter, where it turns out a black student is behind the incidents of racial intimidation happening on a majority-white campus. The closing credits of the film contextualize the party with a montage of real images from actual white college parties in recent years, ugly images of white students in blackface and stereotypical black clothing gleefully hamming it up for the cameras. That montage gives the film another powerful Dear Black People moment, clearly illustrating white America’s constant practice of telling black people how they feel about us.

Ultimately, this struck me as a film about access to power. That access is what the black students at Winchester came there for, it is what Sam as a budding black filmmaker is seeking, and what Troy is seeking with his calculating plot to cozy up to the president’s son and try to write for the campus satirical newspaper, which has direct lines to TV writing rooms and all the biggest publishing outfits. It would be easy to write off these students as a bunch of bourgie striving-ass Negros out for themselves–and the film does not shy away from that interpretation–but if we’re going to keep it real, we know that these institutions have incredible power and it takes compromise to get access to it. Institutions like Winchester are where the senators, judges, CEOs, and editors make their connections. Even the famous dropouts, like Gates or Zuckerberg, made it to them first. Dear White People pushes us to think about the cultural products that these elite spaces produce and how that relates to what we see on our screens.

One way to interpret Du Bois’s opinion in Crisis is that it is a statement about class representation, that his comments are representative of a particular kind of class grievance coming from educated middle and upper-middle class blacks who feel that they are underrepresented in popular media. The Cosby Show and its college-themed spinoff A Different World, set in the fictional Hillman College, are also important influences on Dear White People. (Co-writer Lena Waithe’s Twitter handle is @hillmangrad.) These shows were celebrated for their representations of college-educated blacks with successful careers, and were seen as providing a welcome counternarrative to stories where blacks were depicted as social problems, or criminals, or reduced to buffoonish caricatures. Certainly a part of what academic fiction accomplishes is to normalize images of black characters in educational settings as students and professors, and more than a few folks in my generation ended up at HBCUs because of A Different World.

However, this has sometimes devolved into intra-racial class warfare. Cosby himself has been engaged in that fight, especially with his infamous “Pound Cake Speech” that led to a series of “callout” meetings in black communities around the country to address social problems like teenage pregnancy, fatherlessness, drug use and sagging pants. As he put it, the black lower class was “not holding their end of the deal.” A few days after I saw the film, social media was abuzz about a recent standup performance by comedian Hannibal Buress, who skewered Cosby by referring to the well-known accusations of sexual assault against him and telling him he might want to pipe down on the respectability lectures. We already know that Cosby had an adulterous affair and fathered a child outside of his marriage, and plenty of black commentators have called Cosby out on his hypocrisy. And just this week, in a spectacularly bizarre move, Cosby (or his social-media team) posted a picture on his Twitter account begging to be memed, and the Internet delivered on the invitation with a torrent of JPEGs tagged with commentary on rape culture, on the allegations against him, and further lambasting his hypocritical respectability politics. I have no idea what he or his people hoped to accomplish with the meme, but it has clearly backfired into a collective expression of long-held frustrations and resentments at Cosby’s pompous lectures.

Dear White People isn’t exactly Cosby-friendly material. It does flout the politics of respectability a little by showing frank sexuality and drug use. In one scene Sam receives oral sex from her boyfriend, and throughout the film characters jump in and out of bed with each other. Lionel’s sexuality is presented with matter-of-fact frankness, and he carries on a flirtation with the editor of the campus newspaper. In other words, this is not exactly the film for those uptight church folks who rushed out to buy Cosby’s Come on People and made the teenagers in their Sunday School class read it.

But there’s still a privileged frivolity to the whole thing that left me uneasy. If we accept the Du Boisian idea of the educated Negro as a representative of the race, and if those who share his desires are meant to empathize with or be gratified to see Sam, she’s an unstable avatar of their dreams. Her black militancy is just a brand that she can shed at will. In fact, that’s precisely what she does: The film concludes with her refusing to be “just another” black activist, and instead becoming an “anarchist” to stir up the kind of trouble that will bring the whole system crashing down. I’m sorry, but that was a cop-out, and it reduced black militancy to a mere triviality that one transcends on the way to maturity and enlightenment. Not to mention the hokey ending was slightly less than an anarchist coup.

As for the rest of the kids of Armstrong/Parker House, it feels like they are just play-acting at black radicalism with nothing really at stake. The film was missing a good “town and gown” moment, a staple of college films like Good Will Hunting, Breaking Away, and School Daze. These scenes serve to check the college students’ privileged pretensions, snapping them back to the reality of the world outside of the cloistered campus, a world where people struggle and where conflict and identity have real consequences.margin-ad-right

The limits of that approach have their own consequences for the way the film is able to treat its characters who come from different class backgrounds, and Coco represents its missed opportunity to talk about class and color consciousness. It’s implied that the dark-skinned Coco came from Southside Chicago, and this puts her striving in perspective. Sam, the light-skinned, half-white rich black kid was the one who was the most militant, while Coco is doing whatever she can do to have a financially secure future. These dynamics don’t get treated with as much attention as the black students’ relations with white people. Not much is said about financial aid or affordability of the school at all. Yeah, yeah, I know. It’s just a comedy, and I’m asking too much from a movie already overloaded with plot lines, but this is an important aspect of the black experience at majority white institutions, and giving us more of the complexity in Coco’s storyline could have unlocked this film’s ability to skewer class and privilege, too, which it is sorely missing.

I admit I am a bit old-fashioned about all that responsibilities of the black intellectual stuff, and I’m as hard on myself about it as anyone else. I did grow up with that burden of representation hanging over my head and I eventually went to Morehouse College, where representing the race was drilled into us. Maybe those responsibilities really are irrelevant for assimilated black Ivy Leaguers. Maybe I should accept that this film is only meant to be a story about that particular class, and has just as much in common with character studies of the over-educated white upper class—like the movies of Woody Allen or Noah Baumbach—as it does with School Daze or Higher Learning.

But watching the hijinks in Dear White People made me think that maybe what is needed is a “Pound Cake Speech” for the black upper class, a clarion call for them to take all that power that they are clamoring for and use it for something greater and more important than telling their white classmates not to touch their hair. Because without that critique, all that a film like this can amount to is an instruction manual for white liberals on how not to offend their dear black friends. Maybe, as Du Bois put it, this film really is the black elite “painting the truth about themselves and their own social class.” And maybe, in the aftermath of Trayvon Martin, Renisha McBride, and Marissa Alexander, and Ferguson, I’m finding that truth unacceptable. Maybe these characters really are representative of the black elite who are presumably on their way toward access to the levers of media control, and really just want a piece of the action. Just forgive me if I don’t have any confidence that they’ll do anything meaningful with it.
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188. "RE: Solid B, maybe a B+ (Spoilery)"
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The first 20-30min are where I found the film to be very flawed. It was a lot of academic exposition on race, class, and identity politics in contemporary America. Simien's argument (rather subject) wasn't flawed, how he was presenting the characters and setting in an almost hurried, narrow manner is what troubled me. I was already developing scorn for Coco's character, hating for Troy's, and disinvesting from the film's world.

Yet, upon reflection, I think that "first act" was on purpose. After Sam shows the class her silent film, and has the critiques from her "sidepiece", the film really pick ups. The nuance and insight of the various Black characters resonated and held weight in very poignant contemporary ways. Sam, Coco, Troy, and Lionel are all dynamic and interesting.

For as much as the film is about "who am I", it's a resonant "Blackness is a whole lot of things, beautiful and complicated!"

Also Simien's direction was on point. There were very unique scenes in which angles and cropping where used to show power dynamics in clever ways. Not to add the way the camera floated across settings to the classical compositions was cool. Lastly, the subdued but vibrant earth tones added to the mood and feel of the film, which gave the characters further dimension. Simply put, for as much Spike as Simien has in him, he also has a lot of Wes Anderson.

AND I VERY MUCH ENJOYED the "third act". It needed to happen / unfold the way it did. It was surreal how Simien handled Lionel and Coco's experience with the party, and I dug how he had the Asian and Latinos Unidos join in with BSU to trash shit. Yet, I am with folk, I needed more Reggie, yet for such a crowded film in terms of subjects, I don't know were he would've fit in without making the film longer than need be.

nice debut. Excited for Simien's talent, was well as the actors/actresses. Sam and Coco finer than a mug, and my lady was getting all weak in the knees looking at the enwurd who played Troy.

  

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189. "RE: Solid B, maybe a B+ (Spoilery)"
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>The first 20-30min are where I found the film to be very
>flawed. It was a lot of academic exposition on race, class,
>and identity politics in contemporary America. Simien's
>argument (rather subject) wasn't flawed, how he was presenting
>the characters and setting in an almost hurried, narrow manner
>is what troubled me. I was already developing scorn for Coco's
>character, hating for Troy's, and disinvesting from the film's
>world.
>
>Yet, upon reflection, I think that "first act" was on purpose.
>After Sam shows the class her silent film, and has the
>critiques from her "sidepiece", the film really pick ups. The
>nuance and insight of the various Black characters resonated
>and held weight in very poignant contemporary ways. Sam, Coco,
>Troy, and Lionel are all dynamic and interesting.
>
>For as much as the film is about "who am I", it's a resonant
>"Blackness is a whole lot of things, beautiful and
>complicated!"
>
>Also Simien's direction was on point. There were very unique
>scenes in which angles and cropping where used to show power
>dynamics in clever ways. Not to add the way the camera floated
>across settings to the classical compositions was cool.
>Lastly, the subdued but vibrant earth tones added to the mood
>and feel of the film, which gave the characters further
>dimension. Simply put, for as much Spike as Simien has in him,
>he also has a lot of Wes Anderson.
>
>AND I VERY MUCH ENJOYED the "third act". It needed to happen /
>unfold the way it did. It was surreal how Simien handled
>Lionel and Coco's experience with the party, and I dug how he
>had the Asian and Latinos Unidos join in with BSU to trash
>shit. Yet, I am with folk, I needed more Reggie, yet for such
>a crowded film in terms of subjects, I don't know were he
>would've fit in without making the film longer than need be.
>
>nice debut. Excited for Simien's talent, was well as the
>actors/actresses. Sam and Coco finer than a mug, and my lady
>was getting all weak in the knees looking at the enwurd who
>played Troy.


I agree with all of this. Personally, I wanted to know more about Coco. I felt out of all of the characters, she was the most complicated in her journey...and the fact that she was scorned in the end by everyone (i.e. the placeholder comment she made to Troy in bed was WOW...) was surprisingly devastating.

Like, I wanted to know more about her and why she even ended up in the place she was/ the mindstate she had in the movie....

and yea, folk LOVE them some Troy LOL

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190. "(.. )"
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>and yea, folk LOVE them some Troy LOL

dude was finer than a mug
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193. "yeah... dug the characters but didn't believe the setting"
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made it really hard for me from the jump, but at some point i had to just let it go. i loved sam's character particularly the actresses portrayal of her. i think the best shot in the movie was her finger guns to the head.

but a lot of the situations seemed forced to make the point which i took to be part of the intent but at the same time wonder if it could have been done differently. because of the tone it took, it lacked subtlties which i think could have gave it more nuance.

but solid effort for sure.

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203. "man.."
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>Sam and Coco finer than a mug

  

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191. "Tyler James Williams up in here, being great:"
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full interview here:

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segment/tyler-james-williams-walking-dead-everybody-hates-chris/5460f22002a76027210005e0

Tyler James Williams: Media Portrayals Of Black Men Feed Black Homophobia
HuffPost Live | By Rahel Gebreyes

Actor Tyler James Williams, who made a splash in this year’s breakout indie darling “Dear White People,” sat down with HuffPost Live on Tuesday and touted the film’s portrayal of gay issues, which Williams said have been historically sidelined by the black community.

"Whether we like to address it or not, the African American community is notoriously homophobic," he said. "We have been coming up on this rough side of the mountain, as far as civil rights issues go, but we haven’t necessarily addressed the fact that there is a whole other side to that civil rights coin, which are gay rights."

In the film, Williams plays Lionel Higgins, a gay, black university student dealing with the complexity of both his sexual and racial identity. The actor said he was quick to jump at the opportunity because the role challenges dominant perceptions of gay characters. Although black characters in film seem to be evolving past stereotypical media depictions in recent years, LGBT characters have not yet seen the same progression, Williams continued.

"I feel like the new stereotypical character are gay characters, where you can’t just have a regular everyday guy who just happens to be gay, just like many people that I know," he said. "You don’t automatically need to see and know that gay just by his mannerisms. That’s not everybody."

While Williams was eager to take on the "Dear White People" role, he said some black audiences were not happy with his performance. After seeing -- and associating themselves with -- so many one-dimensional black male characters on screen, Williams said a character as dynamic as Lionel worried viewers who didn't identify with him.

"For so long there was so little, I guess, portrayals of the average black American, that the average black American male associated himself with whoever was on TV," he said. "So in this way, there’s still this mentality of, 'Okay, you’re a black male on TV. I am you. Wait, you’re gay? I’m not gay! No, no never mind, we’re not the same thing. Forget you. We shun you now.'"

Some of this "backlash" may stem from the undue pressure placed upon minority actors to stay true to their roots, Williams added.

"There’s this interesting thing in the black community of staying real ... always representing the community well, which is frustrating in a lot of ways and stressful as well," he said. "It’s hard to please everybody and stay black and proud."

Watch the full HuffPost Live interview with actor Tyler James Williams here.

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192. "=)"
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i was also too damn happy to see him on the walking dead


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195. "Realize I never did post my review. B+"
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Very solid first time effort, but it's very much a first time effort.

Even as a satire, a lot of the character exposition is very expositiony. For example, a lot of what we learn about how same really is is told to her (and the audience) by her white boyfriend. That is a problem.

Also, the story-structure could stand to be tightened up just a little bit. It almost seems as if Simien couldn't decide whether Lionel or Sam was the actual protagonist, and (actually a bit by his own admission) has them do a handoff towards the end of the film. The problem with that is, we end up realizing there's not enough Lionel in the first act and not enough Sam in the third (or rather, he character becomes purposefully inactive). This could probably be fixed some by giving Lionel a little more to do early on and also finding a better way to get into Sam's head when she decides to be "herself" towards the end (maybe adding a bit more to the denouement at the end where she confesses without confessing to the dean)

Troy seemed the least developed character to me. He was a stereotype wanting to be another stereotype.

Overall, however, I REALLY enjoyed the movie. "Rebirth of a Nation" gave me religion. And Tyler james Williams deserves some great credit for one of the best portrayals of a black gay male character in cinema history (achieved simply by playing Lionel as - shock and horror - a human being).

  

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196. "i didn't like it due to the reasons you mentioned"
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Too expositiony
No real protagonist


I didn't really care about any of the characters. The story was just too loose for me. By the end of the movie when everybody has their breakthroughs I wasn't hooked enough to appreciate it.

The commentary was on point though.

  

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197. "this was the most surprising and awesome to me"
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>Overall, however, I REALLY enjoyed the movie. "Rebirth of a
>Nation" gave me religion. And Tyler james Williams deserves
>some great credit for one of the best portrayals of a black
>gay male character in cinema history (achieved simply by
>playing Lionel as - shock and horror - a human being).

he talked about it after and thats why he did it
and that was his goal for the performance and frankly he knocked it out the park
i think his performance was undervalued frankly going through these award shows

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198. "Irony when your job does a screening"
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for black history month
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199. "RE: Dear White People (Simien, 2014)"
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Saw this on movietube.co over the weekend, and I actually enjoyed it.

It was an obvious hybrid of Spike Lee and Wes Anderson film making IMO, and this did not bother me one bit.

Soft B-, solid C+ (which isn't bad at all since most of my favorite movies are probably C+ quality).

I have also fallen madly in love with Teyonah Parris. Oh my goodness, she is fine as hell in this and probably gives my favorite performance as well.

  

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201. "Justin Simien from the #ARRAY tweet-a-thon last night"
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@JSim07 What have the discussions/feedback been like with white audiences after viewing @DearWhitePeople? #ARRAY

Justin Simien @JSim07 Fairly glowing and direct. Black folks give me HELL 😃 But the Black experience is the subject. GREAT thing. #ARRAY


@JSim07 @DearWhitePeople is one of my top 5. How long did it take shoot + how long to edit? #ARRAY

Justin Simien @JSim07 We shot that sucker in 19 days and edited in 6 weeks. With therapy and prayer I'm just about recovered. #ARRAY

Damone Williams
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.@JSim07 What do you think of the state of Black #LGBT representation in film, currently? #ARRAY.

Justin Simien @JSim07
Disappointing to say the list. Lionel in @DearWhitePeople ain't enough, but I'm just getting started #ARRAY

@neshamishle
@JSim07 @AFFRM In my opinion DWP is amazing as is...but looking back would you change anything? #ARRAY

@JSim07
Justin Simien
Yes. Wouldn't have cut Coco & Sam's scene together. Would've had more to say about positive Black Activism. #ARRAY




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that last needed to be said because i saw folks got in their feelings about how that ending worked out and this was before the recent #blacklivesmatter movement
frankly watching the movie i took the view of past movements (women's rights and black civil rights) in which looking back at history personal motivations were a bitch lol and washed out of history
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202. "I knew this was gonna suck"
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except that it didn't.

the trailers didn't do it much justice. they pretty much show a preachy, self-satisfied Spike knock off, which i was damn near 100% sure i'd find annoying, and wind up turning off half way through.

happy to say i was wrong. not perfect, but i thoroughly dug it, and its characters. props to Simien and those who made it happen.

  

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204. "I loves this movie."
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205. "It's like if Denise weren't so gotdamn flighty."
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I enjoyed it.

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