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guerilla_love
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"boycotts"


          

shell: treatment of africa, cheap smithsonian sponsorship/ pr attempt

mcdonalds: worst factory farmer on earth today

debeer's: diamond wars, africa

kfc: treatment of chickens

tobacco owned products like nabisco

blockbuster: heavyhanded support of christian coalition

nike: hello? nike. cheap, disrespected labor.

starbuck's: driving so many community coffee shops outta business


who else and why? (just curious)


==**peace**==

"Words without work is not enough." Sizzla

There is more danger in the word exotic than in a sharpened machete --me

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

looking for a workshop group? a good arts mag? hit me up, and i'll hook you up--

DPP; DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

.....

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Subject Author Message Date ID
nabisco
error 404
Jan 30th 2001
1
looks like were gonna have to.....
Jan 30th 2001
2
pretty much n/m
Feb 06th 2001
68
smith n wesson
KoalaLove
Jan 30th 2001
3
explain
Jan 30th 2001
11
      NAACP
KoalaLove
Jan 31st 2001
19
RE: boycotts
Jan 30th 2001
4
Jellybeans?
Jan 30th 2001
5
RE: Jellybeans?
Jan 30th 2001
7
RE: boycotts
Eli B
Jan 30th 2001
6
Pictsweet Mushrooms/Pizza Hut
Feb 01st 2001
54
KFC
Jan 30th 2001
8
the only ppl
Jan 30th 2001
10
coca cola/frito lay
audiovisuals
Jan 30th 2001
9
RE: coca cola/frito lay
error 404
Jan 30th 2001
12
      agreeing,
Jan 30th 2001
13
           RE: agreeing,
error 404
Jan 30th 2001
14
                a lot cheaper, too
Jan 30th 2001
15
                It can also be more expensive
Jan 31st 2001
17
                     Let a man tell it...
Jan 31st 2001
31
                          lol...that's my mom n/m
Feb 06th 2001
69
                It ain't convenient
Jan 31st 2001
16
                     cooking for one
error 404
Jan 31st 2001
18
                     well yeah if you put it that way
Jan 31st 2001
22
                     RE: cooking for one
Jan 31st 2001
26
                          er
error 404
Jan 31st 2001
30
                          Ooops!
Feb 01st 2001
49
                          Some say
Jan 31st 2001
32
                               It does signficantly
Feb 01st 2001
45
                     saving time & $
Jan 31st 2001
20
RE: boycotts
Chirp
Jan 31st 2001
21
RE: boycotts
Eli B
Jan 31st 2001
40
Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
JMello
Jan 31st 2001
23
RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
Chirp
Jan 31st 2001
24
      RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
Jan 31st 2001
25
      RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
error 404
Jan 31st 2001
29
      hmmm...
Jan 31st 2001
34
      RE: hmmm...
error 404
Feb 01st 2001
42
      totally agree with "the assumption of" n/m
Feb 01st 2001
43
      RE: hmmm...
JMello
Feb 01st 2001
51
           RE: hmmm...
Chirp
Feb 05th 2001
66
      RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
Chirp
Jan 31st 2001
36
           RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
error 404
Feb 01st 2001
41
           I am held responsible
Feb 01st 2001
46
                RE: I am held responsible
Chirp
Feb 01st 2001
53
                but you still reap the benefits
Feb 02nd 2001
57
                     You tell me......
Chirp
Feb 05th 2001
60
                          Number one...
Feb 07th 2001
75
                RE: I am held responsible
Chirp
Feb 05th 2001
62
                     RE: I am held responsible
Chirp
Feb 05th 2001
63
                     RE: I am held responsible
Feb 05th 2001
64
                          RE: I am held responsible
Chirp
Feb 05th 2001
65
                               things i do
error 404
Feb 06th 2001
71
                               EDUCATE YOURSELF
Feb 06th 2001
74
      RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott...
Chirp
Jan 31st 2001
35
           Ravage their wives?
Feb 01st 2001
47
           here I go again
Feb 06th 2001
72
      Black Hebrews?
JMello
Jan 31st 2001
27
      lemme break this down
Feb 06th 2001
70
RE: boycotts
Jan 31st 2001
28
dependent on corporations and hating it!!!!
Jan 31st 2001
33
Stop...
Jan 31st 2001
39
Escapism isn't going to help. n/m
Jan 31st 2001
38
some tips to resist the machine
Feb 01st 2001
48
AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
Jan 31st 2001
37
u have a lotta good points
Feb 01st 2001
44
i get what u're sayin...
Feb 02nd 2001
56
good lookin' out
Feb 06th 2001
73
That nice jacket you're rockn'...
Feb 01st 2001
50
RE: That nice jacket you're rockn'...
Feb 01st 2001
52
Alcohol
Feb 02nd 2001
59
i was JUSTabout to post this...
Feb 02nd 2001
55
explain these
Feb 02nd 2001
58
      gladly...yet begrudgingly...
Feb 05th 2001
61
blockbuster? word?
Feb 06th 2001
67

error 404

Tue Jan-30-01 10:58 AM

  
1. "nabisco"
In response to Reply # 0


          

spun off tobacco in 1999.

From the 1st q 2000 financial report of nabisco: Discontinued operations reflect the 1999 results from the former tobacco businesses and RJR Nabisco corporate headquarters' expenses which have been segregated and reported as discontinued operations in the attached Consolidated Condensed Statements of Income due to the sale in 1999 of the former RJR Nabisco International tobacco business and the subsequent spin-off to shareholders of domestic tobacco operations, R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Co., which now trades as RJR.

  

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mcbadfeet
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2. "looks like were gonna have to....."
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boycott the united states of america

  

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LexM
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68. "pretty much n/m"
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PURPLE REIGN!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no atheists in foxholes" (c) Any Given Sunday

I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

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KoalaLove

Tue Jan-30-01 11:00 AM

  
3. "smith n wesson"
In response to Reply # 0


          

for manufacturing a suspicious overhaul of weaponry which is unaccounted for at the end of each year

  

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k_orr
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11. "explain"
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n/m
k. orr

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KoalaLove

Wed Jan-31-01 07:26 AM

  
19. "NAACP"
In response to Reply # 11


          

They made a legal matter of it about 2 or 3 years ago. The charges where that while Smith and Wesson manufactured a large number of guns a percentage was customarily counted out as damaged or unnaccounted for. this is a typical practice for any industry but in the case of this manufacturer the NAACP claimed that no reasonable organziation would allow for a supposedly high rate of product refuse to take place without taking measures to correct the overhaul. the NAACP claimed that Smith n Wesson was aware that this overhaul of weapons typically ended up on the Black market and in the Black community as such they challenged the US govt to hit them with punitive damages.

I suppose the US opted to make an investigation into the matter instead- i havent heard anything about it since.

K

  

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JBlaze
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4. "RE: boycotts"
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>
>who else and why? (just curious)
>
>

Texaco - Jellybeans

Exxon - Exxon Valdez





  

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Brandard
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5. "Jellybeans?"
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Could you explain the jellybeans please, I'm intrigued?

And does anyone have a list of shoe companies that dont use unfair labor practices.


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JBlaze
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7. "RE: Jellybeans?"
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>Could you explain the jellybeans please,
>I'm intrigued?
>

Top Texaco officials referred to their employees as jellybeans. Blacks as "the black jellybeans".

I haven't read this article on it but this is a discussion from that time.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/november96/texaco_11-12.html


>And does anyone have a list
>of shoe companies that dont
>use unfair labor practices.



  

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Eli B

Tue Jan-30-01 11:43 AM

  
6. "RE: boycotts"
In response to Reply # 4


          

Israeli products for brutal oppression and suffocation of the Palestinians. Anything that says "Made in Israel" or Israeli products, such as diamonds, tomatoes, etc., although not all diamonds and tomatoes come from Israel, make sure the ones you buy DO NOT come from Israel.

Special thanks to Sting and Stevie Wonder for not performing in Israel in support of the Palestinians.

  

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54. "Pictsweet Mushrooms/Pizza Hut"
In response to Reply # 4


  

          

For unfair farm labor practices. The reason I put Pizza Hut up there is because they buy the mushrooms for their pizzas.

Do people remember the Grape boycott (no uvas) with Cesar Chavez and the United Farmworkers Union (UFW)? Well, it went on for a long time, but its over now.

"To be a student and not be a revolutionary is a contradiction"
-- Salvador Allende, 1973

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Shaun_G
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8. "KFC"
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I really hope the people who are complaining about KFC are vegetarians.

How can you complain about cruelty towards animals if you eat them? Why should it matter whether chickens are killed quickly or suffer slowly if they are killed for food anyway?

It's like being pro death penalty but thinking the electric chair is inhumane.

Shaun G.

  

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guerilla_love
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10. "the only ppl"
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i know who protest kfc n mcdonalds are vegetarians and don't use/wear animal products; most of em are vegans

veg's tend to know a lot more abt where meat n dairy come from than omnivores (urbanly speaking)

really tho u cn eat meat n still not believe in factory farming- kinda difficult, but for more rural ppl or ppl in "developing countries" (whether or not u believe in that term)

my man grew up in ethiopia where he'd kill his own chickens but is really wierded out by meat practices in the us

but really the morality of the boycottz a different issue- different ppl justify things in different ways n always u gotta lotta ignorant ppl out there who're gonna do what they see is cool or appropriate wo/ really knowing the theory behind it, and they form the bulk of any movement

i was just wondering what other boycotts r out there


==**peace**==

"Words without work is not enough." Sizzla

There is more danger in the word exotic than in a sharpened machete --me

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

looking for a workshop group? a good arts mag? hit me up, and i'll hook you up--

DPP; DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

.....

"Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere"
- Amiri Baraka

http://www.okayplayer.com/guidelines

BUY MY BOOK- only $6! Inbox me for details

  

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audiovisuals

Tue Jan-30-01 12:46 PM

  
9. "coca cola/frito lay"
In response to Reply # 0


          

for genetically altered food products.

  

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error 404

Tue Jan-30-01 01:02 PM

  
12. "RE: coca cola/frito lay"
In response to Reply # 9


          

why not just stop eating junk food without having to make it a political issue? The question whether these are or are not "genetically altered" is beside the point. The fact is that this crap isn't good for you, genetically altered or not.

  

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guerilla_love
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13. "agreeing,"
In response to Reply # 12


          

crazy that so much of our food is so dangerous


==**peace**==

"Words without work is not enough." Sizzla

There is more danger in the word exotic than in a sharpened machete --me

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

looking for a workshop group? a good arts mag? hit me up, and i'll hook you up--

DPP; DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

.....

"Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere"
- Amiri Baraka

http://www.okayplayer.com/guidelines

BUY MY BOOK- only $6! Inbox me for details

  

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error 404

Tue Jan-30-01 01:14 PM

  
14. "RE: agreeing,"
In response to Reply # 13


          

how hard is it to prepare your own food from fresh ingredients or using products from organic or family owned businesses? Not that hard. I do it. Just stop listening when the advertisers tell you that sugary carbonated caffeinated beverages guarantee happiness. Just stop throwing crap down your throat at every opportunity. It's better for all concerned.

  

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guerilla_love
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15. "a lot cheaper, too"
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==**peace**==

"Words without work is not enough." Sizzla

There is more danger in the word exotic than in a sharpened machete --me

"The logic of divide and rule is still valid today." Capleton

looking for a workshop group? a good arts mag? hit me up, and i'll hook you up--

DPP; DomePoem Poets; Vibe Nation; One ppl under the spoken word

.....

"Who need fossil fuel when the sun ain't goin' nowhere"
- Amiri Baraka

http://www.okayplayer.com/guidelines

BUY MY BOOK- only $6! Inbox me for details

  

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k_orr
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17. "It can also be more expensive"
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If you're making one serving, it's hard to buy ingredients for that.

Could you hit me off with a 1/4 lb of your free range B3R beef?

How many folks even interact with their butchers?

pasta from scratch
sauce from scratch

A lot of that stuff can be more expensive, w/o taking into account time/cost benefits. And going to a family owned/organic spot, add another 30-50% to the bill.

I am in no way endorsing fast food, but modern life is quick. And I live in the South. I can't imagine living like my grandmother in Brooklyn. (although she seems to cook daily..?)

peace
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nahymsa
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31. "Let a man tell it..."
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many women with families (atleast the middle class to poor ones) have to cook - it just costs too much to eat out regularly - no matter how fast their schedule.

You dont' have to cook every day, you cook for days or a week at a time. For example - get up @ 6am on Sunday (before church, late service 11:00am) and put your food on the stove. You cook a pan of mac & cheese, a chicken, a pot of collard, maybe a cake & that will last from sunday to about Wednesday. Then on Tuesday morning before work (mad women do it) you cook for Tues, Wed, & Thurs. Fri, you order or get fast food & Sat everybody figures out something to eat from all the odds & ends in the house.

Most every women I know that has kids cooks dinner for atleast 4 days out the week, plenty bring in lunch for the week and if anything they scrimp on breakfast.

  

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LexM
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69. "lol...that's my mom n/m"
In response to Reply # 31


  

          

PURPLE REIGN!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no atheists in foxholes" (c) Any Given Sunday

I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

~~~~
http://omidele.blogspot.com/
http://rahareiki.tumblr.com/
http://seatofbliss.blogspot.com/

  

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16. "It ain't convenient"
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I love to cook, but it takes a lot of planning and time to cook breakfast, pack a lunch, and then prepare dinner.

Curry chicken 2 nights ago (Marg Kari - indian style not Jamaican style like I normally rock it)

- chicken - cut it up
- cilantro, onions, garlic, ginger - grate/chop, dice
- yogurt - had to go to the store for that
- brown the chicken, brown the onions, bring back the chicken, add in the spices and vegetables, bring to boil, and then let simmer for 20 minutes.

By the time all was said and done, ingredients prepared, everything bought, and then cooking, I was about 90 minutes into it. (and damn if I forgot to make the Naan.)

Of course, now I have curry chicken for 3-4 days, so I don't have to go through the process, but cooking doesn't jive with my broadband access style of living.

But I've cut down my junk food to friday lunches with the folks at work, and saturday lunch and dinner with the squad/and or girls.

peace
kari orr
no relation to Kari meaning curry.

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error 404

Wed Jan-31-01 07:24 AM

  
18. "cooking for one"
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doesn't have to take all night especially if/when you step off the Four Basic Food Group stuff. There's no reason to have meat every night, even if you're not vegetarian. Rice (twenty minutes to cook) with steamed vegetables (seven minutes) is plenty nutritious enough. Save the meat for special occasions and then you won't O.D. on it. This nation as a whole is protein toxic.

But there are also a lot of things you can do with chicken (provided that it has been raised with respect and slaughtered in a humane fashion) that don't take very long.

Slap a chicken breast under the broiler with just some mustard on it. (I don't use yellow mustard for this but I guess you could.) It cooks quickly and cleanly, is relatively low in fat and tastes a lot better than it sounds. The mustard gives the chicken a more complex flavor.

Or just stir fry it with the vegetables and flavoring of your choice. My favorite is Tamari. Chopping vegetables doesn't take more than a minute or two.

I hear you on the cost of organic produce. But for me, especially _because_ I live alone and cook for one, the difference isn't that large and it's worth it to me.

  

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22. "well yeah if you put it that way"
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I mean I know a grip of fast recipes, but in general, if you like cooking, a lot of those defrost,boil/broil, or saute joints don't cut it.

but thanks for the directions, i'll try and incorporate some this week.

peace
k. orr

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26. "RE: cooking for one"
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>But there are also a lot
>of things you can do
>with chicken (provided that it
>has been raised with respect
>and slaughtered in a humane
>fashion) that don't take very
>long.

As I said in an earlier post, if you're eating the chicken why does it matter if it "has been raised with respect and slaughtered in a humane fashion"?

I can understand worrying about gene altered food being fed to the chickens or if the chickens aren't cleaned and frozen properly, but if it was worthy of respect why kill it and eat it
in the first place?

Shaun G.

  

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error 404

Wed Jan-31-01 04:17 PM

  
30. "er"
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that was supposed to be a joke in response to your earlier post

  

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Shaun_G
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49. "Ooops!"
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You know I always laughed to myself when people would miss obvious sarcasm on the 'net. But to have it happen to me...is just...ridiculous.

(inspired by the interlude on Liquid Swords)

Sorry, I feel real silly now...

Shaun G.

  

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nahymsa
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32. "Some say"
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the way livestock is raised as well as how its slaughtered affects the meat...

I can't call it but I know stress & ill treatment affects people internally and that manifests itself in sickness & disease a lot of times. Especially when you mix in chemical experimentation. I suspect the same things apply with animals. And if that's the case then all that negativity is being internalized by us when we eat this them.

All I know is that if I had a choose btwn a steak from a handfeed cow breed on my grandmother's used to raise or one of those ones from a breeding factory - I'd take the first.

Now if I was starving, then anything would do.

  

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k_orr
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45. "It does signficantly"
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The best beef in the world, Kobe Beef, Yagyu, the Emperor's beef comes from cows who are massaged daily and fed really good stuff. It also goes for $125 a lb.

If a cow is afraid before it's slaughtered you can see purple spots in the meat.

all sorts of things can affect the final product.

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one day when you know you'll be home for the most part, take whatever vegetables, rice, and beans you have, throw in what spices you have in your house, put it all in a pot with water, cover and put on medium heat, stir every 10-15 minutes or so, but do other things in the meantime

when it looks ready, eat some if you're hungry, package up the rest in a large tupperware and take small tupperwares for lunch, etc.

can do a separate pot for dinner

fruit or toast or meal replacement bars or whatever for breakfast-- if i have time i'll make a loaf of bread that can be my breakfasts

when you eat from your pots, use tortillas. fire em over a flame if you have one to get them to taste right

that's what i do-- so a grocery list would be like:
1. bag of lentils in color of the week
2. greens, frozen or fresh, garlic, bag of onions, carrots, potatoes, misc. other veggies, jalapenos, ginger root
3. canned beans, canned tomatoes
4. veggie bouillon for a seasoning shortcut

if you want more specific, i could explain my beans and rice (which isn't necessarily black beans, you can also do pigeon peas, chickpeas, blackeyed peas, etc etc etc) or lentil soup or lentils thicker than soup or quickbutalotta greens or whatever....
but you can get all of these things for very cheap, especially if you follow the sales and coupons.
i do farmers markets when they're cheap or available. otherwise i just assume that the border between organic and not organic is fuzzy and buy the cheaper stuff (the organic regulations are ridiculous right now anyway)

all that i just listed above, tho, that's just what i do, really. everyone is different and different things work for different people.

i save the elaborate stuff for special occasions


but when i see the prices on premade foods i always feel good abt it.....


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Chirp

Wed Jan-31-01 07:51 AM

  
21. "RE: boycotts"
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In regards to Plaestine and the P.L.O........there really is no such thing as Palestine. They are just a bunch of meglomaniacal Arabs who want more land. as if saudi arabia and all that other stuff isnt enough.






seriously,....check this out:




This column was written by an Arab/American journalist (RHM note: this is quite vague and open to suspicion for no better source is
identified, but I know the facts to be accurate, from my own research.)


I've been quiet since Israel erupted in fighting spurred by disputes over the Temple Mount. Until now I haven't even bothered to say, "See. I
told you so." But I can't resist any longer, and I feel compelled to remind you of the co lumn I wrote just a couple of weeks before the latest
uprising. Yeah, follks, I predicted it. That's OK. Hold your applause.

After all, I wish that I had been wrong. MNore than 80 people have been killed since the current fighting in and around Jerusalem began. And
for what? If you believe what you read in most news sources, Palestinians want a homeland and Mus;ims want contrl over sites they c
onsider holy. Simple, right?

Well, as an Arab/American journalist wqho has spent some time in the Middle East dodging mo re than my share of rocks and mortar shells,
I've got to tell you that these are just phony excuses for the rioting, trouble-making and land-grabbing. sn't it interesting that prior to the 1967
Arab/Israeli War, there was no serious movement for a Palestinian homeland?

"Well, Farah,: you might say, "that was before the Israelis seized the West Bank and Old Jerusalem." That's true. In the Six Day War, Israel
captured Judea, Samaria, and East Jerusalem. But they didn't capture these territories from Yasser Arafat. They captured them from Jordan's
King Hussein. I can't help but wonder why all these Palestinians ssuddenly discovered their national identity after Israel won the war?

The truth is that Palestine is no more real than NeverNever Land. The first time the name was used was in 70 A.D. when the Romans
committed genocide against the Jews, smashed the Temple and declared that the land of Israel would exist no more. Fron then on, the Romans
promised, it would be known as Palestine - the name was derived from the Philistines, a Goliathian people conquered by the Jews centuries
earlier. It was a way for the Romans to add insult to injury. They also tried to change the name of Jerusalem to Aelia Capitolina, but that had
even less staying power.

Palestine has never existed - before or since - as an autonomous entity. It was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian Crusaders,
by the Otoman Empire and, briefly, by the Britiish after to World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish
people as their homeland.

There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed
by 'Palestinians'. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraquis, etc.

Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of 1% of the land mass.

But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that ultimately is what the fighting in Israel is about today. Greed. Pride. Envy.
Covetousness. No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough.

What about Islam's holy sites? There are none in Jerusalem. Shocked? You should be. I don't expect that you will ever hear this brutal truth
from the International Media; it's just not politically correct.

I know what you're going to say: "Farah, the Al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of The Rock in Jerusalem represent Islam's third most holy
sites." Not true. In fact, the Koran says nothing about Jerusalem. It mentions Mecca hundreds of times. It mentions Medina countless times.
It never mentions Jerusalem. With good reason. There is no historical evidence to suggest that Mohammed ever visited Jerusalem!

So how did Jerusalem become the third holiest site of Islam? Muslims today site a vague passage in the Koran, the seventeenth Sura, entitled
"The Night Journey" It relates that in a dream or a vision Mohammed was carried by night "from the sacred temple to the temple that is most
remote, whose precinct we have blessed, that we might show him our signs." In the seventh century some Muslims identifies the two temples
mentioned in this verse as being in Mecca and Jerusalem. And that's as close as Islam's connection with Jerusalem gets........myth, fantasy,
wishful thinking.

Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots in Jerusalme back to the days of Abraham.

The lastest round of violence in Israel erupted when Likud Party leader Ariel Sharon tried to visit the Temple Mount, the foundation of the
Temple built by Solomon. It is the holiest site for Jews. Sharon and his entourage were met with stones and threats. I know what it's like. I've
been there. Can you imagine what it's like to be threatened, stoned, and physically kept out of the holiest site in Judaism?

So what's the solution to the Middle East mayhem? Well, frankly, I don't think there is a man-made solution to the violence. But, if there is
one, it needs to begin with truth. Pretending will only lead to more chaos. Treating a 5000 year-old birthright backed by overwhelming
historical and archeological evidence equally wwith legitimate claims, wishes and wants gives diplomacy and peacekeeping a bad name!

  

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Eli B

Wed Jan-31-01 10:56 PM

  
40. "RE: boycotts"
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True, Israel did capture the West Bank from Jordan, but shortly after that, King Hussein of Jordan, recognized that the West Bank was Palestinian land and relinquished Jordan's right to Jordan to the Palestinians.

">Meanwhile, Jews can trace their roots
>in Jerusalme back to the
>days of Abraham."

Let me kick some historical facts to you about Jews, Abraham, and Jerusalem (Al-Quds). Back in the days of Abraham, the only people that believed in God was the Jews, you see, 'cause Christianity and Islam would not exist for another few thousands of yrs., so basically the indigenouse people of Palestine intermixed btw. Abraham's sons Isaac (patriarch of the Hebrews) and Ishmael, (patriach of the Arab peoples; this makes Jews and Arabs cousins), and the Philistines, the Romans, and the ancient people of the time. When the Arabic-Islamic empire conquered Palestine in about 700 A.D., the population became Arab-ized, adopted the Arabic, language, culture, etc., and most Palestinians converted to Islam, while some stayed Christian (because Jesus Christ was a Palestinian Jew and his followers lived in Palestine, learned his philosophy making them Palestinan Christians) and some stayed Jewish. Christians and Jews were treated relatively well by the Muslim rulers, compared to Europe's treatment of, especially, the Jews. In Palestine, Arab Muslims, Arab Christians, and Arab Jews co-existed peacefully with the same language and same culture. It wasn't until European Jews devised Zionism吠nvented and bred in a imperialistic and colonialist European atmosphere in the late 1800s, so naturally, Zionism, too, was imperialistic and colonialistic釦hat the distinction between Arabs (Muslims and Christians) and Jews became evident. Most Palestinian Jews were brainwashed by the European Jewish Zionists to believe they were superior to the Arabs and therfore had a right to dispossess the Palestinian Arabs of their land and force them into other Arab countries. It is these Palestinian refugees that want to return to their homes.

">There is no language known as
>Palestinian. There is no distinct
> Palestinian culture. There
>has never been a land
>known as Palestine governed
>by 'Palestinians'. Palestinians are Arabs,
>indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent
>invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraquis, etc."

The language is Arabic and the culture is Arabic; Palestine is a nationality. In Iraq, Syria, etc., the language is Arabic and the culture is Arabic, the nationality is Iraqi, Syrian, etc. There is no language known as Mexican, it's Spanish, as they speak in Mexico, El Salvador, Argentina, etc. and they share a common Latin American culture.

">Keep in mind that the Arabs
>control 99.9 percent of the
>Middle East lands. Israel represents
>one-tenth of 1% of the
>land mass. "

Refer to my comment above and Do the Israelis want land in Latin America, too, because Latinos contol 99.9%, if not 100%, of the Latin American lands?

"I can't help but
>wonder why all these Palestinians
>ssuddenly discovered their national identity
>after Israel won the war?"

This was around 1967, right? Isn't this around the time many African nations discovered their national identity? Isn't their (the various African nations) right to self-determination against oppressive colonialists justified? If so, then so is the Palestinians right to self-determination against an oppressive, internationally unrecognized and illegal military occupation of their land by the Israeli army.

  

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Wed Jan-31-01 01:32 PM

  
23. "Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

Denny's: Sued because they used to have a code word to limit the number of blacks allowed in their restaurants..."blackout"...and were sued twice.

Shoney's: Sued by black employees and customers.

Texaco: Sued by employees after recordings of an executive making racist statements surfaced.

Timberland: Refused to market to inner-city youth when they became the majority of it's customer base...wanted to maintain it's rural image. Then made cheesy attempts at reconciliation by sponsoring inner-city organizations.

Sodexho-Marriott (food service provider for institutions and colleges): Owns massive stock in private prison corporations. See <a href="http://www.nomoreprisons.org/nwom.htm"> Not With Our Money</a>

JMello

  

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Chirp

Wed Jan-31-01 03:27 PM

  
24. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
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...i have a question:


i think alot of things rappers say are racist towards whites. like mos def, com, and black thoughtless. some of it's funny some of it's true, some of it sucks, yet i still dig on their shit. i live in atlanta, and every saturday outside of the MARTA 5-points train station, there are what i like to call the Black Power Rangers. i call them that because they are all militant as fuck and there is a red one, a green one, a blue one, and even a pink one. i am not lying. they say some pretty outrageous shit, and alot of it is really disturbing and hateful, yet nobody is shutting them down or up. i realise it is freedom of speech and that's fine. but if anyone retaliated and even spoke up against it, there would be a bloodbath. am i making ANY sense? any words of wisdom out there?

dont give me the 400 years of oppresion mantra. EVERYONE has suffered. Jews, Christians, Native Americans, Robots.......

  

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25. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
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>i think alot of things rappers
>say are racist towards whites.

It would be good to give examples here, to make your statement more clear. I can imagine a few in my head, but as a general rule, supporting claims is wise... it can save a lot of miscommunication.

Now on to the topic at hand...

Concepts of racism depend on the definition you use. The bottom line in most academic circles is that racism deals with superiority - that is, it is a set of thoughts or actions that put one race above another.

So, I may be putting words into your mouth, but when you say that Common says some racist things, you could be thinking of "... sell out, like a dread with a white girl" or something like that. That has nothing to do with superiority... it has everything to do with the idea that interracial dating isn't the best thing for blacks, or for a lot of minorities at that. The reasons are numerous, but none of them are because blacks are better than whites or whites are better than blacks.

>i call them that
>because they are all militant
>as fuck and there is
>a red one, a green
>one, a blue one, and
>even a pink one. i
>am not lying. they say
>some pretty outrageous shit, and
>alot of it is really
>disturbing and hateful...

once again, some examples would be nice. Militancy is a opening up a whole other ballpark, letting the fans storm in. It's easy to listen to Dead Prez and assume that they're racism. But when you read their interviews and stuff, thye're views (naturally) become a lot more clear, and you see where they're coming from. But I urge you to really examine the words of a person and try to identify whether or not superiority is said, or even insinuated.

>yet nobody
>is shutting them down or
>up. i realise it is
>freedom of speech and that's
>fine. but if anyone retaliated
>and even spoke up against
>it, there would be a
>bloodbath. am i making ANY
>sense? any words of wisdom
>out there?

Yes... some words of wisdom: educate yourself.
Seriously... you're right when you say (below) that everyone has suffered. But no one has undergone nearly as much as Africans, and I do mean that in a global sense.

But that is besides the point, irrelevant to what we're dealing with.

Man, I can't even think straight right now. I hope this helps. Others on the board are apt to be a lot more vicious

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Wed Jan-31-01 04:16 PM

  
29. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
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>Others on the board are apt to be a lot more vicious.

True. And, Chirp, realize that if people here are more vicious, it's because they have felt the effects of racism firsthand. I don't think that the "400 years of oppression mantra" is quite as immediately heartrending as the "here's what happened to me today because I'm black" story that everyone here has to tell. It's really true that someone who is not a member of an oppressed class can't ever experience fully what it means to be oppressed. Yeah, you can hang out with black friends and see the attitudes that get presented to them, but realize that if you're caucasian, your presence is going to impact those very attitudes. You just won't see the worst of it. You really won't see the reality.

It's also true that most people (not all) believe that the way to build is to reach a level in which all people are respected, so that the anger that you identify as racism may be best expressed in more inclusive terms. But put yourself in their shoes. When some stranger crowds in front of you when you're riding the Metro (or whatever -- fill in whatever your personal trigger is -- some people hate being crowded, other people hate it when someone uses their cell phone in public, but think about what really gets you mad when a stranger does it), you have an immediate emotional reaction. Now think about what it would feel like if that stranger was doing whatever it was that pissed you off intentionally, because they felt it was their right, with the blessings of society, and that for 400 years they had had legal protection for it and more -- murder included. Your emotional reaction is going to be multiplied 400 times, 4,000 times, because it's no longer random individual inconsideration from a stranger -- now it's systematic abuse of an entire people. So maybe you can generate some empathy and perhaps shoulder some of the responsibility for the anger that you're hearing expressed.

Also, I would just make a slight modification to the explanation of racism that thebigfunk presented. I think it might be misleading to say simply that it's about superiority. Perhaps it's clearer to say that it is an "attitude of superiority" or an assumption of privilege, but most people on this site will agree that in order to be racist, one must be a part of an oppressor group and one must direct one's attitudes toward an oppressed group. In other words, racism against "whites" doesn't exist because "whites" have never been an oppressed class in and of themselves.


  

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34. "hmmm..."
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Hmmm. I have to say I disagree (which is more than okay)


>but most people
>on this site will agree
>that in order to be
>racist, one must be a
>part of an oppressor group
>and one must direct one's
>attitudes toward an oppressed group.
> In other words, racism
>against "whites" doesn't exist because
>"whites" have never been an
>oppressed class in and of
>themselves.

So then what you've done is you've constructed a shelter of sorts... excusing any and all attitudes against whites. I don't believe racism has anything to do with who's actually in power... okay, I take that back, because obviously that's not true. A lot of today's racism is weaved into government actions that prefer whites and oppress blacks. That's clear.

Let's take a really simple sentence. Suppose a black person said:
"Black people are better than white people."

I'd say that's a racist statement. Now if he said "I like black people more than white" that's a different story.... he's talking about a preference. But to me there's a clear sign of superiority in the above statement... regardless of what class he's in, the person who uttered that statement would essentially be a racist. Obviously, these statements get more and more complex, rarely so blunt.

I'd love to hear your defense for your definition of racism...

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Thu Feb-01-01 03:16 PM

  
42. "RE: hmmm..."
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I don't necessarily disagree with you. It is indeed a matter of defining terms. I've just seen this issue raised more than once and have noticed, as I said, that most people use different terminology ("hatred" for example, or "anger") when the statements are made by a dispossessed group against a privileged group. But I do believe that it's not about "superiority" -- it's about an "assumption of superiority." See the difference? The former statement assumes that the racism is somehow correct.

  

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43. "totally agree with "the assumption of" n/m"
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JMello

Thu Feb-01-01 05:04 PM

  
51. "RE: hmmm..."
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Racism is judging someone by the color of their skin.

Discrimination is using that prejudice to disposess someone of power or opportunity.

We can all be racist.

A black in a position of authority CAN discriminate. Whites do it all the time.

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Chirp

Mon Feb-05-01 09:49 PM

  
66. "RE: hmmm..."
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>A black in a position of
>authority CAN discriminate. Whites
>do it all the time.



you right, but not where i've worked. and i been around!

  

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Chirp

Wed Jan-31-01 07:41 PM

  
36. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
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......so does that mean by being white, am i automatically obligated to endure the blame and hate that someone puts on me individually? i hate sounding dumb, but i realy cant be responsible for what my ancestors might have done. i think it's foolish that i am even associated with thier actions. honestly, how am supposed to even compensate? where does it start? i will not let somebody blame me for where thier life is at. it cant even be direct. it gets rediculous. i'm really trying to be objective here. i am by no means condoning of what ever happened, but i fail to see where i should "shoulder" someones anger. it really makes no logical sense. anything that happened between the race 300 years ago is irrelevant, mostly, to where you and i are today. i dont know maybe it does. but when does the compensation end. how many eye for eyes do there have to be in order to attain a balance. i'm sorry i 'm not making sense.



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41. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
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>......so does that mean by being
>white, am i automatically obligated
>to endure the blame and
>hate that someone puts on
>me individually? i hate sounding
>dumb, but i realy cant
>be responsible for what my
>ancestors might have done.

Is anyone putting hate on you individually? I thought I understood you to say that you were distressed by anti-white statements, not anti-Chirp statements. I'm saying that to the extent that you are upset by these statements you may be able to gain some greater (if not complete) understanding of what it is like to be subject to race-related abuse. And look at how dismayed you are by it despite the fact that it's unusual. What must it be like to live in a society that always and automatically assumes the worst about a person, that always and automatically treats a person poorly, that always and automatically disregards that person, just because of the color of skin that they're wrapped in?

In order for harmony to be achieved I think we all need to have greater understanding for one another's viewpoints. I don't think that putting down any race is productive, and I'm not saying that doing so is right. I'm just saying that it is understandable in the situation that you describe.

i
>think it's foolish that i
>am even associated with thier
>actions. honestly, how am supposed
>to even compensate?

There have been some threads recently, notably bluetiger's thread on "whites" giving up privilege, in which this is discussed.

where does
>it start? i will not
>let somebody blame me for
>where thier life is at. >it cant even be direct.
>it gets rediculous. i'm really
>trying to be objective here.
>i am by no means
>condoning of what ever happened,
>but i fail to see
>where i should "shoulder" someones
>anger. it really makes no
>logical sense. anything that happened
>between the race 300 years
>ago is irrelevant, mostly, to
>where you and i are
>today.

What I'm saying is that the racism that occurs today has its roots and history but it happens _today_ and that's the point. So the historical perspective can give you greater understanding but I am not personally an advocate of trying sons for the sins of the fathers. What I'm saying is that you (and I don't mean this as a personal attack, so please don't take it that way) have been imbued by society with a degree of privilege that you may or may not be consciously aware of. Becoming conscious of this is the first step toward understanding and harmony. By granting one group privilege, society has stripped other groups of basic humanity.

i dont know maybe
>it does. but when does
>the compensation end. how many
>eye for eyes do there
>have to be in order
>to attain a balance. i'm
>sorry i 'm not making
>sense.

I think you are speaking from your heart and I think I hear you struggling for understanding and I appreciate that very much.

There are plenty of people on these boards who would disagree with me, because I'm advocating understanding and harmony. There are many people who effectively argue for complete separatism. I don't think that's a solution, and perhaps these views aren't going to get expressed on this thread, but I actually expect a fair amount of backlash against me, based on what I've seen happen here before, because I believe and say that people can ultimately live in harmony.

  

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46. "I am held responsible"
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for what my living peers do. See discussions by police officers and their views of young black males.

Why should you not be at least accountable for the privileges you have recieved from your ancestors?

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Chirp

Thu Feb-01-01 06:33 PM

  
53. "RE: I am held responsible"
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no. beacuase i didnt ask for it or have any desicion making authority behind it.

  

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57. "but you still reap the benefits"
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For instance, let's take affirmative action.

For how long were blacks excluded from certain jobs, or even more importantly, education?

Affirmative action simply ensures that if anyone is excluded from an education, it's gonna be you (and that's a real extreme way of wording/think about it).

This makes no difference, because you can turn around and - with your credentials AND whiteness - get that same education elsewhere.

That's why I laughed at the article in The New Yorker a month or so ago about Affirmative Action and UofMichigan. The girl who got turned away, who claimed it was affirmative action that bumped her out, was able to go and get in at Michigan State, a good school in its own right.

Affirmative Action is a way to begin to repeal inherited power due to whiteness. And that's a GOOD thing.

These are the things you need to think about as you walk in your white skin. Even though whites make up very little of the global population, they hold all the power, with no real reason. You're a beneficiary of this fact... think and act on that.

(By the way, it's early for me... this post may be incoherent... I apologize if that's the case)

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Chirp

Mon Feb-05-01 12:53 AM

  
60. "You tell me......"
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>Affirmative Action is a way to
>begin to repeal inherited power
>due to whiteness. And
>that's a GOOD thing.


i disagree. AA does less for blacks than you think. look at it this way, why would you want someone to feel pity for you? are you not insulted that this is a system that is basically communicating the idea that you can't do it on your own? it says "here, take this. we have so much power that we need to give you sometinhg that you cant get through your own worth, talent or hard work" do you know what i'm saying? making any sense? it's an ultimately fucked up and absurd system and i'm surprised that someone as intelligent and as rational sounding as yourself buys it.

i'm sorry, but i just think it's a fucked up situation that doesnt help anyone. If i honestly believed that AA was an effective aid in reconciling staus quo, then it would have all of my support, trust me, speaking for myself, the last thing i want to do is to prevent you or anybody else from attaining thier dreams and revelling in thier freedoms.


>These are the things you need
>to think about as you
>walk in your white skin.


that's kind of a shitty thing to say. it's a bit condescending. i'm not stupid. i feel like you are assuming that i live in a blissful fantasy world of whiteness and walk around with my chest puffed with pride in a Lynard Skynard t-shirt. i think about these things everyday mind you. i live in downtown atlanta and cant open my mouth with out some guy deriding my "nasal flow". what can i do about? right. absolutely nothing.



> Even though whites make
>up very little of the
>global population, they hold all
>the power, with no real
>reason. You're a beneficiary
>of this fact... think and
>act on that.



Why dont you tell me how to "think and act on that". draw me up a plan that wont make me look and feel like an absolute sucker and maybe i'll consider it. maybe that's the idea, i dont know. but if that's the case how much, in a global sense, needs to be reversed to make you satisfied? at what point will you say, "that's it."

answer me this. what have you honestly been pevented from doing. how much accountability are you willing to accept on behalf of yourself?




(i'm really not trying to light fires or staqrt controversies. i just yearn for unconventional perspectives on subjects like these. please dont interpret the tone of the above words as flippant or sarcastic)










  

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75. "Number one..."
In response to Reply # 60


          

First off... I'm white-skinned... I mean, I'm about as pale as pure snow. You were under the impression I was otherwise, so I thought I'd clear that up.

Now onto the discussion...

>i disagree. AA does less for
>blacks than you think. look
>at it this way, why
>would you want someone to
>feel pity for you? are
>you not insulted that this
>is a system that is
>basically communicating the idea that
>you can't do it on
>your own?

If everything were perfectly honestly fair, all prejudices set aside and all people given equal opportunity, then you'd be right. Affirmative Action would be insulting.

But as long as we still have unfair standardized tests, unequal school districts and a system that favors whites over blacks, Affirmative Action is the only current tool to bridge that huge gap. There's an article right now in the Boston Review... most of the article I disagree (it says we should move away from Affirmative Action and focus purely on test and prerequisite overhauls)... but it makes several very stunning points about the way tests have excluded minorities from higher education, easily - even though it is proven that there is no correlation between a youth's SAT scores and first year performance. In fact, youths with HIGHER SAT scores at ivy league schools tended to do poorly.

But that's not paid attention to. Instead, standardized tests and high school gpa are looked at as a good portion of the battery for which you are accepted... which easily wipes out a good portion of minorities, due to unequal school systems.

>it says "here,
>take this. we have so
>much power that we need
>to give you sometinhg that
>you cant get through your
>own worth, talent or hard
>work"

See above. It has nothing to do with one's own talent... it has everything to do with where they're raised, how they're raised and the amount of money in their family. No joke. Explain to me why the average family income rises for every 100 point increase on that SATs...

>do you know what
>i'm saying? making any sense?
>it's an ultimately fucked up
>and absurd system and i'm
>surprised that someone as intelligent
>and as rational sounding as
>yourself buys it.

I haven't "bought" anything. I used to think AA was unnecessary... but as a soon-to-be teacher (and a person looking to get their masters in education), I started to read more about minorities and the school system (i'm planning to work at an inner-city school). As I started to read the statistics, I was absolutely floored. Then, as you begin to read how AA has finally started to level the playing field - damn, it becomes impossible to refute AA as being a worthwhile program.

>>These are the things you need
>>to think about as you
>>walk in your white skin.
>
>
>that's kind of a shitty thing
>to say. it's a bit
>condescending. i'm not stupid. i
>feel like you are assuming
>that i live in a
>blissful fantasy world of whiteness
>and walk around with my
>chest puffed with pride in
>a Lynard Skynard t-shirt.

However it came off, I certainly didn't mean it that way. This discussion started with a question from you about "racist" attitudes from blacks to whites. Obviously, it's broadened a bit - now it's looking at the white role in a conscious society. The comment above was not meant to be sarcastic or bitter, it was simply stating something. "These are things you need to think about..." Didn't mean it condescendingly, and I apologize for however it came across.

>what can i do
>about? right. absolutely nothing.

That's where you're wrong, and I'm coming to terms with this myself. There ARE things you can do, some specifically linked to your white skin. In another post, somebody wrote about influencing white areas where blacks would never be given a chance to explain their position.

You can get involved, actively. There are all sorts of groups out there, a lot of them sponsored right here in the activist forum. I'm currently working on a local letter writing campaign in my area to stop the state from passing a mandatory pledge of allegiance in high schools law - I started the campaign with a friend. We've sent over 200 letters to the state legislature... granted, that's not a lot... but for something I'm fitting into my spare time (which is a rare delicacy on my table of things to do), I'd say 200 is a pretty good number.



>

> Why dont you tell
>me how to "think and
>act on that". draw me
>up a plan that wont
>make me look and feel
>like an absolute sucker and
>maybe i'll consider it. maybe
>that's the idea, i dont
>know. but if that's the
>case how much, in a
>global sense, needs to be
>reversed to make you satisfied?
>at what point will you
>say, "that's it."

You've got a good point... is there a drawing mark? Yes and no. Unfortunately, history is inexorable, and I believe America's history will forever hold deep racial implicationsfor the country. Always. And if by chance it WERE to change, and stuff were peachy... I'm kind of doubting that we'd suddenly be in a utopia globally.

So I can't lay down a stopping point. Nor can I draw you a plan of action. I can say this: educate yourself. Read endlessly... also, broach conversations with your friends. Even if they're perspectives are empty, at least it allows you to view popular opinion and question it actively - leading to progress on your end.

Also, recognize that we ought not to be merely concerned with race in America. This goes beyond country borders, and involves third world countries, and the overall concept of whiteness in global society. Educate yourself on global economics, and globalism in general.

And then, like I said earlier, get involved. If you are truly that touched by what's going on inside your head, consider making a career out of it. I've chosen to minor in African American Studies... I'm actually considering double majoring (ugh, another year added to undergraduate school? blah! ). Maybe even get involved in politics. But don't just sit at home thinking about these things - act on them, with others. Not only does it have a positive effect, it is remarkably fulfilling.

Feel free to email me with anything... you'll get a faster answer that way...

-thebigfunk

-thebigfunk

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Chirp

Mon Feb-05-01 01:19 AM

  
62. "RE: I am held responsible"
In response to Reply # 46


          


>Why should you not be at
>least accountable for the privileges
>you have recieved from your
>ancestors?

accountable for priveleges??? i usually accociate accountability with negative behavior. there's no way that becomes a little too abstract, not mention indirect and somewhat prepsoturous. i can respect that though and i see where your coming from, but it would really be impossible for me to be accountable. that implies that i had a premeditated hand in the construction of those privleges. how could i have possibly have asked for that before i was born? i didn't choose to be born white. honestly sometimes, not always, am ashamed about it. and that's a bit sad really. nobody should ever feel that way. but that's like having a problem being born handicapped or Mexican or blonde or 3000 years ago. you really have little to do with when, where, why and how you come into this life. you can not like it, but ultimately there's nothing you can do about it.


now i'm not going to lie and say that i'm ungrateful for these so called privleges. that would be retartded. i'm also not going to lie and say that i dont take them for granted either. whatever they may be. we're only human. is that not an excuse?


i really dont mean to get psychobabbly.



peas
terrence

  

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Chirp

Mon Feb-05-01 01:22 AM

  
63. "RE: I am held responsible"
In response to Reply # 62


          

please excuse my grammar and punctuation. it's atrocious i know

  

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64. "RE: I am held responsible"
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>
>>Why should you not be at
>>least accountable for the privileges
>>you have recieved from your
>>ancestors?
>
>accountable for priveleges???

Yes, you should recognize them when you see them, and reject them.

>there's
>no way that becomes a
>little too abstract,

It's not abstract at all. It is a very real thing.

>that implies that
>i had a premeditated hand
>in the construction of those
>privleges.

It's not that you have created these privileges, but by continuing to take part in them and not rejecting them, you are supporting the status quo.

>honestly sometimes, not always,
>am ashamed about it.

Well you shouldn't be ashamed of who you are. Just know that you too have the burden of race on you. It's something you have to deal with.

one
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Chirp

Mon Feb-05-01 09:44 PM

  
65. "RE: I am held responsible"
In response to Reply # 64


          


>It's not that you have created
>these privileges, but by continuing
>to take part in them
>and not rejecting them, you
>are supporting the status quo.



well please, tell me EXACTLY what i should do. not that i'll do it, but i want examples. what privleges are you assuming that i have? be specific too. how about i voluntarily surrender my home and my family? how about i lock myself in jail? would that work? if i am offered a heavy salary or a special scholarship, do i just say "uhhh, thanks, but no thanks. it would really be good for me, but even though i'm sure i'm qualified, i just dont deserve it. i'm too white. DAMN those ancestors!!!" are you suggesting sacrifice or mere rejection of say, clubbish things? inform me.

  

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Tue Feb-06-01 09:26 AM

  
71. "things i do"
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i'm sure k orr will have other suggestions as well but here are a few things that i do in no particular order.

i recognize that i get preferential treatment based on my skin color so i watch closely to be sure that i'm not served before it's my turn in stores and restaurants, etc., and i make sure that service providers understand that i _don't_ appreciate unfair treatment whether it's in my favor or not

i try to educate myself about these issues and to allow others to educate me about their experiences

i acknowledge that a least a part of my income is due to privilege that i didn't ask for but received anyway so i donate money to organizations that are working to change that and to aid people of color who haven't had the kind of automatic privileges that i have. i also give money to my college and instruct them to use it exclusively for scholarships for people of color and to programs like Head Start that provide a foundation for people so that later they'll be prepared to go to college. i try to give enough money away so that i _feel_ it -- not just money i wouldn't miss. i'm smart, but there are plenty of smart people out there who didn't get the same kinds of advantages that i did and my advantages are deeply based in racism. i grew up in a relatively affluent neighborhood with really good schools because my father was white and so was hired and promoted over equally smart people of color. i recognize that even though i didn't _ask_ to be raised in privilege, i received a direct benefit from that -- my intelligence was recognized and fostered and i was encouraged to keep studying and go to college. and i want to be sure that everyone who has something to add to the community has the necessary means to make their contribution.

i never ever let anyone make a statement or tell a joke or cut their eyes or otherwise do anything that is racist or divisive without calling them on it and talking through the issue. i try to do this in a way that they can hear but i also don't let anything slide. i've done it with taxi drivers and i've done it with presidents of corporations who are clients and i've done it with people that i work for. my point is that i think it's my responsibility to go out on a limb and endanger my job if necessary in order to do what's right

i vote in favor of measures that move toward levelling the playing field, including tax measures that raise my taxes in order to promote social programs

i actively work with my employer to hire and promote people who have been disadvantaged, particularly those who have been disadvantaged economically based on their race. there's a program that we're involved in because i made a big issue out of it that trains people in word processing, and places them in what is sometimes their first office job. the program emphasizes training for single mothers and in this city that often means young women of color

i don't take anything for granted. i realize that if society has granted me privilege it has done so by stripping others of basic human rights

and i keep looking for ways to make a difference. the more that people are safe and happy and well fed and given appropriate opportunities the better my world is

  

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74. "EDUCATE YOURSELF"
In response to Reply # 65


  

          

Read a book with a historical/cultural basis far removed from your own...even one you feel is faulty (too gloriously Afrocentric, for example). They can be useful for comparison when you find a middle ground.

You need to gain a perspective of society from the point of view of some "other." Women (if you're a man). Native Americans. Poor folks. People of the African Diaspora. See if you can see America/Western society through the eyes of people unlike you, get an idea of their perspective, and learn from that.

Then you might understand why some folks see the world the way they do.

(and everything error said was on point as well)

L.


PURPLE REIGN!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no atheists in foxholes" (c) Any Given Sunday

I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

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Chirp

Wed Jan-31-01 07:16 PM

  
35. "RE: Denny's, Shoney's, Texaco, Sodexho-Marriott..."
In response to Reply # 25


          

thebigfunk,

thank you so much for responding...and in a rational manner at that. as for direct qoutes, i can give you some brief phrases that i catch as most of the okay players dont print out thier lyrics. please forgive me for any misinterpretations.

black thought: off illadelph, ".....with more ????? than an anglo saxon"

mos def: ".....and even some of the gringos....."



okay, i know they are pathetic examples, but i'm going more on what they suggest, over what they say directly. and i feel like i am splitting hairs when i qoute them, because that implies that i am paranoid and have to "catch 'em bein' bad!!!"

but you are absolutely right. i should cite qoutations. but, lets take mos, one of the most adventurous mcs out there. he does some things that just make me wonder. have you seen the photo of him with the sign that says "mos def hates whitey"? and some of the stuff that he says at shows. i dont know. maybe it's all a joke. i just dont know how hard to laugh.


as for the black power rangers, you'll just have to take my word for it. i dont care where you come from. they are all hate and vengeance. last week i walked by and over heard this, "......my brothers, i promise you, there will be a day that we will loot and destroy ALL white establishments, and, i know many of you brothers have wanted the white woman for a long time now, and the day is coming when we will ravage thier wives."


i dunno. what do you think? here comes little peckerwood walking by feeling like a fool while these dudes are blaring this propoganda over a speakerphone.



trust me. i have no enemies and i make a point not to make any. i'm not complaining either. i'm just talking about what i see and hear. am i being crazy?

  

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47. "Ravage their wives?"
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now that's a new one.

k. orr

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LexM
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72. "here I go again"
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>okay, i know they are pathetic
>examples, but i'm going more
>on what they suggest, over
>what they say directly.

and what is that? and they are pathetic examples. That's why I have a problem w/ you crying "racist" if all you're going on is implication. Come on.

>and
>i feel like i am
>splitting hairs when i qoute
>them,

not splitting hairs, per se, but you're not really presenting a convincing argument, dearheart.

>but, lets
>take mos, one of the
>most adventurous mcs out there.
>he does some things that
>just make me wonder. have
>you seen the photo of
>him with the sign that
>says "mos def hates whitey"?

no I haven't...but let's give him the benefit of the doubt for a second. "whitey" may not represent ALL White people, but the ones in power whose negativity, racism, and apathy are bringing down this country. Remember when Malcolm X came back from the Hajj and stated that when he said he hated "White" people, he meant the ones perpetuating the hatred/segregation/lawlessness in society?


>and some of the stuff
>that he says at shows.
>i dont know. maybe it's
>all a joke. i just
>dont know how hard to
>laugh.

I've seen Mos live. And I know where he's coming from. At the show I saw, he lapsed into a Bob Marley song (can't remember which). And a lot of the White kids were like "oh that's so cool." Didn't know the song. Didn't realize the political/social/spiritual significance behind it.

He did one joint that had 9 out of the 10 White kids there in a daze 'cause they couldn't relate to the energy he was channeling. The ones who did understand were giving the "I'm-just-tryin-to-be-down" ones the evil eye. And there were some ignorant Black peeps who weren't feeling him either. Don't get it twisted: I'm equally pissed off when it comes to ignorance.

We had a discussion after the show...about things like how White kids love Marley posters 'cause he's holding a blunt & all that bullshit, but who have no clue about his music, his message, or what that blunt represented to him. It was just cool to be high. Give me a break.

That's where Mos seems to be coming from, in my opinion. If you're educated in that way, you won't be offended by what he says. You'll be agreeing with him.


> i dunno. what
>do you think? here comes
>little peckerwood walking by feeling
>like a fool while these
>dudes are blaring this propoganda
>over a speakerphone.

Again, with this we see eye to eye. I'm Black & they embarass me.


>am
>i being crazy?

no, but it seems like it wouldn't hurt 4 u to pick up a book or two.

L.


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I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

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JMello

Wed Jan-31-01 03:56 PM

  
27. "Black Hebrews?"
In response to Reply # 24


          

Are you talking about the Black Hebrews (they say they're the original Tribe of Israel), who also frequent Dudley Square in Boston and Times Square in New York???
If so I have a good story...

JMello

  

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70. "lemme break this down"
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>i think alot of things rappers
>say are racist towards whites.
>like mos def, com, and
>black thoughtless. some of it's
>funny some of it's true,
>some of it sucks, yet
>i still dig on their
>shit.

Racist? Or true? I haven't heard any one of them call a White person a honky or an ofay; I haven't heard them say shit like "White men can't jump" or "why can't y'all dance?". I have not heard them generalize or in other ways stereotype White people in what I construe to be a "racist" context.

What I *have* heard them state are historical facts, (what appear to be) personal experiences, and the state of Black men in American society. I have all (or most) of the cds by each of those artists, so we can go line for line if you want.

It always amazes me how White people want to cry racism when Black folks start speaking the goddamn truth.

Now this I'll give u:

>i live in atlanta,
>and every saturday outside of
>the MARTA 5-points train station,
>there are what i like
>to call the Black Power
>Rangers. i call them that
>because they are all militant
>as fuck and there is
>a red one, a green
>one, a blue one, and
>even a pink one. i
>am not lying. they say
>some pretty outrageous shit, and
>alot of it is really
>disturbing and hateful, yet nobody
>is shutting them down or
>up. i realise it is
>freedom of speech and that's
>fine. but if anyone retaliated
>and even spoke up against
>it, there would be a
>bloodbath.

Bloodbath? I think not. But I know exactly what you mean and they hang out in downtown Baltimore too. I don't agree with their rhetoric or their attitude. Basically, I feel like we're all here on this Earth together, and we all need to learn how to get along. But part of that is acknowledging and respecting our differences & our histories. *ALL OF US* have ugliness in our pasts. You're right. But just like some Black people romanticise or glorify their history, you seem to be unwilling to live up to the dark spots in your own (if you are, in fact, a White American. Or even European).


>dont give me the 400 years
>of oppresion mantra. EVERYONE has
>suffered. Jews, Christians, Native Americans,
>Robots.......

that's fucked up.

L.


PURPLE REIGN!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no atheists in foxholes" (c) Any Given Sunday

I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

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28. "RE: boycotts"
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What frustrates me so much about boycotting is that if I really wanted to remain true to my principals and go at it 110%, I would have to live in a cave, grow and prepare my own food, and sew my own clothes.

What companies in the US aren't doing something shady?

Shaun G.

  

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33. "dependent on corporations and hating it!!!!"
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I totally agree. The US has conditioned us to be dependant on these seer-sucking, unscrupulous corporations...and I mean TOTALLY dependent. There isn't a damn thing I can buy that isn't from some sellout source. Also it's interesting how those things that are "organic" or from verifiably "non-shady" places are expensive and available to an exclusive few. It's a problem of our time. How do we recondition our minds and ween ourselves from this unhealthy, hypocritical existence?

rhonda

>What frustrates me so much about
>boycotting is that if I
>really wanted to remain true
>to my principals and go
>at it 110%, I would
>have to live in a
>cave, grow and prepare my
>own food, and sew my
>own clothes.
>
>What companies in the US aren't
>doing something shady?
>
>Shaun G.



  

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39. "Stop..."
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...looking for outs within the system. Change it. You can't find sweatshop-free clothing. You can't find environmentally safe plastics or nuclear power.

Don't retreat. Attack.

Alek
____________________________
"All I want is the truth,
just gimme some truth."

____________________________
LEFT side of the bedroom, fool!
What? What?

  

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38. "Escapism isn't going to help. n/m"
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Alek
____________________________
"All I want is the truth,
just gimme some truth."

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48. "some tips to resist the machine"
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- stop buying brand new clothes
this way you can support a small business (thrift shop), or the salvation army (although it is a faithbased organization haha).

- ride an old bike
less cars, less pollution, possibly less jobs for folks overseas (haha)

- solar oven
you can cook food using the energy of the sun

- leave the country

some of these are more practical than others.

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37. "AAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!"
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Does anybody out there understand the concept and implications of a boycott? It's one of the most powerful, efficacious, but potentially destructive things that can happen in the private sector.

Now, in appropriate situations (self-imposed union boycotts, state-wide UFW actions, etc.) the act of boycott can make all the difference. When it is treated as a tactical aspect of a solidarity campaign (which some of your international boycotts seem to propose), it has to be handled with extreme care. Same with domestic labor situations.

When we're discussing boycotts of companies with dubious political or financial connections (i.e. Kraft, Dominos, etc.), you ABSOLUTELY have to weigh the potential destructive backlash in local economy and labor markets (as well as national ones -- do you really want Kraft to close down a plant?) before we impose our morals on the job security of others.

This is a vital concern when dealing with Nike, Gap, and other apparel manufacturers. Unless a boycott is specifically requested by members of a union or organized workers in say, Salvador, IT IS NOT OUR BUSINESS TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT THESE PEOPLE HAVE JOBS!! Do you know what the common practice is when some corporation like Target receives consumer pressure regarding conditions in a particular factory/chain? It simply terminates the contract (or shuts down the factory). It's cost-effective for them, and it buys them points in the public eye. But those people need their jobs. Unless they are in a strike situation (or some analogous one) and they're REQUESTING solidarity action from the U.S. consumer, it's not our job to decide.

What we do is try to change the conditions in those places, be they political/economic/racial, giving the MNC an easy way out is the worst thing we can do. We encountered this problem with divestiture, and we're encountering it again with sweatshops and political prisoners.

Pressure companies to urge their licensees to recognize a union. Pressure them to adopt a code of conduct and join a independent monitoring group.

Knee-jerk boycotts are naive, rash and destructive.

Just two pennies...


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44. "u have a lotta good points"
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reminds me of a time that i had a somalian friend over and he saw an open ms. magazine on my kitchen table talking about the plight of women in africa, including genital mutilation and abuse

he blew up because what the hell did the authors know about the situation of women in africa. said they are held up so high, and if anyone saw a man beat a woman they would kill him

also reminds me of a reaction of an ethiopian friend to the polygamous practices of an indian king in a movie

truth is you can't judge a situation out of it's context. no. shouldn't.

and true, boycotts only work if they're done on a large and organized scale, in which case they cane be very effective.


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56. "i get what u're sayin..."
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but i refuse to do business w/anyone who's practices i find offensive/racist/elitist/prejudice or in any ways unfair...some ppl may not work...some ppl leave workin for such companies w/no "back up"...all i have are my dollar & my pen...i use both wisely




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73. "good lookin' out"
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you are right. good perspective to bring to the discussion

peace

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50. "That nice jacket you're rockn'..."
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Unfortunately, most USDA approved meats have been injected with anabolic steroids to increase muscle (meat) mass, and save these farms madd money. So, the only other alternative is to raise your own chickens and cows or become vegans. But, most vegetables you get in your local supermarket are sprayed with chemicals that make them bigger and help them retain water better. So, farm, right?! We need to teach our babies how to grow their own food, and we need to make these million dollar making business moguls in the black community give back -- if you can spend $100,000 on a platinum mothuhfuckn' chain, I'm sure you can put up a green room in your community you stupid, mu.. sorry, got carried away. Recycle dollars people. F*ck a boycott -- revolt and resist.

Polo, Nautica, Hillfiger, Timberland -- and any other slave tag y'all might be rockn'...

Guess and Gap use child labor -- so do most companies, but the conditions these children are subjected to in these two companies' factories is fowl.

Television. Throw your television out the window.

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52. "RE: That nice jacket you're rockn'..."
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>Television. Throw your television out the window.

Jeez, this is like the point someone made earlier about fast-food/junk-food -- why start a boycott and make a political issue out of it, when it's just plain bad for you? I think the same goes for TV. I know I've got plenty of other things to do than spend hours every night sitting on the couch in front of the T.V. At the very least, I would say rent a movie. Even surfing the internet all night is better than T.V.

Sorry, I can get really judgmental about people and their television-watching habits. My neighbor spends entire evenings on the couch in front of the T.V. You may ask, "What's it to you? Is it any of your business?" Well, kind of. I should be using that same time block to practice the sax, and I can't. It's just too damn loud in an apartment. I would feel better if I knew that my neighbor was doing something constructive over there.


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59. "Alcohol"
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Alcohol and drugs...
boycott that sh*t before y'all start talkn' that other stuff! That's what's f*ckn' us up now!

Thong riddled music videos...
which brings it right back to the television problem.

Christianity!

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55. "i was JUSTabout to post this..."
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colgate/palmolive>>>marketin of sambo like figure for their toothpaste "darkie" renamed "darlie" in japan...it is unable to be exported now

baer asprin>>>reported testin on jews durin the holocaust

eli lily pharmaceuticals>>>did not divest frum south africa

kellogg's>>>did not divest frum south africa

korean nail salons in blk neighborhoods>>>for nil employ of african-americans

lord & taylor>>>for their support of security that resulted in the death of a shopper/believed shoplifter & their lackluster attempts to make resolutions w/the community in arms over the incident

dearborn, michigan>>>repeated dated incidences of racism against blk ppl...location of lord & taylor where man was killed...was created by henry ford to be exclusive to white residents

artists: mariah carey...quincy jones...wesley snipes...miles davis>>>i don't/won't wittingly support their vehicles for varyin reasons

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58. "explain these"
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artists:
>mariah carey...
>quincy jones...
>wesley snipes...
>miles davis

Especially Wesley, particularly in light of his connection to HTM.

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61. "gladly...yet begrudgingly..."
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>artists:
>>mariah carey...

"only blk when it's time to do the remix"...when mariah first stepped onto the scene she was very evasive about her ethnicity...statin she was not blk...she was "human"...one can define oneself however one chooses...yet i would view her videos & her romantic leads were ALWAYS white men...& the only time when she'd have blk men in her videos were when they were rappin on the remixes {ODB "fantasy"} or dancin in the blk-background...it wasn't until her divorce frum tommy matola that u'd find her w/blk men in the forefront of her video...{still on the "hip-hop" tip}...but it seem'd as tho mariah got rid of her old man...cut off her clothes & went wild w/the darkies

>>quincy jones...

i just don't get the overt white woman thing

>>wesley snipes...

wesley has stated & been quoted as not likin blk women...blk women have too much attitude & are not docile enuff for him {as the asian women are}...& blk women were the FIRST to embrace him when he began his actin career in spike lee joints...& he went on record in a blk publication {ebony} debasin us...he was wrong tho...i don't talk to much...i let the absence of my box office dollars speak for me

>>miles davis

admitted wife beater

>Especially Wesley, particularly in light of
>his connection to HTM.

sorry i don't know what the acronym HTM stands for

& i also don't fuck around w/madonna shit either

this is MY list...i'll explain but don't feel the need to justify



~kiera

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my blk history quote...
jesse jackson...by way of shyne

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67. "blockbuster? word?"
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that's news to me...I didn't know that.

I remember back in elementary school when I couldn't get a coke @ my friend's house 'cause her mom was against their participation in apartheid in South Africa. That was an interesting experience...

L.

PURPLE REIGN!!!!!!!!!!! CONGRATS RAVENS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"There are no atheists in foxholes" (c) Any Given Sunday

I <3 Freestyle!!

"And for once, I want to live for the stars that came before me/And for the ones/That will never have the opportunityto connect" ~~presyzion

"if and when blind, you will hear/drops of water reflecting off your skin/
the subtle bounces magnified into drum pounding/gateway splitting, roaring and consuming, yet soothing/echos of your losses" ~~jesmar

"and my own fears now/are not that i値l die without money or land/but that i値l die without this pen in my hand/and god bless this man, as i speak spoken words/cuz i may die broke/but i値l be broke and heard." ~~RatpackSlim

"how can she sing/holy songs/'bout baby jesus/and mary/and not come/and save me from choking/on sweet youth mixed with mildew/that keeps clinging to my memories/cause this ain't the first time/grandma forget to save me and/my momma forgot to save me.../just always said "jesus wants you to save your flowers"/but my jesus forgot to save me too" ~~beyond_levels

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