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"Sympathy for officers?"


  

          

Everyone has to die and I'm the type of person that feels something for someone who dies whether I know them or not. But, recently brought to my atttention in a conversation with several peers. We talked about an issue that happened in our my city.
The situation was that an undercover officer was doing a drug sting and he pulled over this car. What the media tells us he pulled the car over and out of know where from around the corner a guy comes and shoots the officer in the head. The guy tries to run and while another officer was across the street sees the incident and starts to chase the guy about 7 blocks and finally gets close and shoots at the guy running. The officer hit the guy and a little sever yr old girl. A tragedy for the officer yes, but is his death more important than that little seven yr old girl's death? Now, as usual the media will follow this all week blow his funeral up on tv and get all this feedback and sorrow. But, for this little girl she gets nothing. Not saying to glorify her dying or anything but don't neglect her and just label her "common folk" and think she's not good enough. Needless to say happens a lot. At any rate the question came up if we should have sympathy for officers and various answers were given. To sum it up everyone just about was in the middle with it. But tell me what you think.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Sympathy for officers? HA!
yinka
Mar 13th 2001
1
RE: Sympathy for officers? HA!
Mar 13th 2001
2
i hope that
Mar 13th 2001
4
      RE: i hope that
Mar 13th 2001
7
           where ya get the stuff, man?
Mar 13th 2001
10
           felt...n/m
Mar 15th 2001
59
           RE: i hope that
Mar 16th 2001
75
RE: Sympathy for officers? HA!
Mar 13th 2001
13
So,
Marinera
Mar 14th 2001
44
      Take back your existence or die like a punk
Mar 15th 2001
50
           wtf does that have to do
Mar 15th 2001
58
           basically...
Mar 15th 2001
60
                and u are apart of what?
Mar 15th 2001
69
                     never assume
Mar 16th 2001
78
           Changing the system,
Marinera
Mar 15th 2001
71
                Oh yeah,
Marinera
Mar 15th 2001
72
                NOT!
Mar 16th 2001
79
                     RE: NOT!
Marinera
Mar 18th 2001
90
                          RE: NOT!
Mar 19th 2001
94
                               RE: Outside In
Marinera
Mar 21st 2001
96
What if . . .
Marinera
Mar 14th 2001
43
when it comes to police...
Mar 13th 2001
3
sympathy for everybody
Mar 13th 2001
5
damn "ENTER" button...
Mar 13th 2001
9
fuck a pig
Mar 13th 2001
19
      still human beings...
Mar 14th 2001
23
      simple
Mar 14th 2001
27
      hmm...well,
Mar 14th 2001
33
      RE: hmm...well,
Mar 14th 2001
36
           you don't make any sense at all. at all.
Mar 14th 2001
38
           RE: you don't make any sense at all. at all.
Mar 14th 2001
40
                hey look!!! its the media!!!
Mar 14th 2001
41
                Gotta HAve...
Mar 15th 2001
64
                     not true..exactly
Mar 16th 2001
80
                          Come to Unity
Mar 16th 2001
85
                               Semantics
Mar 16th 2001
86
                                    Reading Comprehension
Mar 16th 2001
88
                                         RE: Reading Comprehension
Mar 19th 2001
95
           RE: hmm...well,
Nice1
Mar 14th 2001
48
           *sigh*
Mar 15th 2001
55
                RE: *sigh*
Mar 15th 2001
62
                     RE: *sigh*
shmooz
Mar 15th 2001
65
                          RE: *sigh*
Mar 16th 2001
81
      RE: simple
Nice1
Mar 14th 2001
47
      No way out
Mar 15th 2001
63
           Know where you are COMING FROM
Mar 15th 2001
66
           a few things...
Mar 15th 2001
67
                Military Prisoners
Mar 15th 2001
70
                     so true, so true...
Mar 16th 2001
73
      muhfuka you don't KNOW me...
Mar 14th 2001
28
      RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me...
masani
Mar 14th 2001
30
      RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me...
masani
Mar 14th 2001
32
           i agree...
Mar 14th 2001
34
      that's what I'm sayin...
Mar 14th 2001
35
      RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me...
Mar 14th 2001
37
      RE: fuck a pig
Nice1
Mar 14th 2001
46
RE: sympathy for everybody
Mar 14th 2001
29
RE: Sympathy for officers?
Mar 13th 2001
6
WHERE ARE U AT?
Mar 13th 2001
8
those cops
Mar 13th 2001
11
DAMN
Mar 13th 2001
12
      RE: DAMN
Mar 13th 2001
14
           RE: DAMN
Mar 13th 2001
15
           huh?
Mar 13th 2001
16
           nah....don't fuck the police......
Mar 13th 2001
18
           RE: DAMN
Mar 13th 2001
17
           that's foul.
Mar 14th 2001
31
retribution...
Mar 13th 2001
20
RE: retribution...
Mar 13th 2001
21
RE: retribution...
Mar 13th 2001
22
      what about the black ones? n/m
Mar 14th 2001
24
           what about the samoan ones?
Mar 14th 2001
25
           Yeah, fuck the black cops!
Marinera
Mar 14th 2001
45
           RE: what about the black ones? n/m
Nice1
Mar 14th 2001
49
                citing generalizations
Mar 15th 2001
56
                     and another thing...
Mar 16th 2001
74
                          RE: and another thing...
yinka
Mar 16th 2001
76
                               RE: and another thing...
Mar 16th 2001
77
                                    who protects us from you
Mar 16th 2001
82
                                    say wha?
Mar 16th 2001
83
                                         RE: say wha?
Mar 16th 2001
87
                                    RE: and another thing...
yinka
Mar 16th 2001
84
                                         I was talking to
Mar 19th 2001
91
                                              RE: I was talking to
yinka
Mar 19th 2001
92
                                                   oh I see...pardon the error n/m
Mar 19th 2001
93
RE: retribution...
yinka
Mar 15th 2001
54
i fuck the police...
Mar 14th 2001
26
RE: Sympathy for officers?
Mar 14th 2001
39
you go to computer school don't you???
Mar 14th 2001
42
what about the good nazis?
Mar 15th 2001
51
do not know that that is a real question??
Mar 15th 2001
52
do you not know that that is a real question??
Mar 15th 2001
53
wtf? expound...n/m
Mar 15th 2001
57
      RE: wtf? expound...n/m
Mar 15th 2001
61
           oops...missed the sarcasm n/m
Mar 15th 2001
68
ive see to much dirt..
Mar 16th 2001
89
RE: Sympathy for officers?
deedee2001
Mar 22nd 2001
97

yinka

Tue Mar-13-01 12:06 PM

  
1. "Sympathy for officers? HA!"
In response to Reply # 0


          

the only good pig is a dead pig.

  

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2. "RE: Sympathy for officers? HA!"
In response to Reply # 1


          

that's a fuckin ignorant thing to say. You must want cops to be against you or something. I hope that when a cop who cares about your community is in a position to help you, you're not stupid enough to reject it.

  

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4. "i hope that"
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the next time i need a cop to keep me safe i can get one

show me a good cop and i will believe

i want to believe

but i was one foot away from bein hit by one on sunday night

not that i don't think absolutes are so wrong, just that it comes from some place, and, especially in my experiences, i see them doin a lotta harm and not around when you need the help


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7. "RE: i hope that"
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I understand how much bitterness and anger there is in some neighborhoods towards cops, but it only hurts a situation that is hard enough. It is one thing to specifically call out a cop gone bad, another too pointlessly condemn a very necessary part of society and the people who have the enviable job of protecting us and, sometimes, themselves from us.

  

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10. "where ya get the stuff, man?"
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oh, some cop sold it to me

what happened to your daughter?

oh, she died in the line of fire

where is your son?

in jail, cuz he got caught near some stuff that wasn't his

what happened to your aunt?

oh, her man beat her to death.

didn't someone call 911?

yeh, but it was a domestic dispute. you know how they are with domestic disputes.

didn't your sister always usedta wear the best outfits?

yeh, but she got raped and they said she deserved it.

what happened to your daddy, sweetheart?

he killed the man that murdered my brother, and he got deported.

what happened to his sister?

she was deported in a raid a week later

how long had she been in the U.S.?

about 8 years-



==**peace**==

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59. "felt...n/m"
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75. "RE: i hope that"
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So, was that little girl just a casualty of war??? All life is precious and that cops' life is no more important than that little girls. She was only seven! She hadn't really begun to live and her life was snuffed. And who's to say what REALLY went down. The media is not a reliable source of info. It doesn't sound right either. Criminals don't usually go after cops; we usually see them running away. Not to say that there aren't some dumb criminals out there, but come on. If the criminal was nowhere to be seen, why would he come out shootin'?


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13. "RE: Sympathy for officers? HA!"
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>the only good pig is a
>dead pig.


That's the damn truth.

  

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Marinera

Wed Mar-14-01 03:14 PM

  
44. "So,"
In response to Reply # 13


          

If my friend's dad, who volunteers to mentor kids in Region Park, dies tomorrow in the line of duty. I shouldn't loose any sleep? And those children whom he helped, they shouldn't feel sadened by his death.

Speak up, or look like a fool.

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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50. "Take back your existence or die like a punk"
In response to Reply # 44


          

..death to the fakers...

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58. "wtf does that have to do"
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with what Marinera said?

he's humanizing the question & you're running away from that.
Why?

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60. "basically..."
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if he ain't a part of the solution, he's a part of the problem..

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69. "and u are apart of what?"
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deeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzz nnnnnnuuutttttsssss....dude if u don't wanna be a cop cool....if you don't respect cops cool...but wishin death on people is fool. if the only good cop is a dead cop then stop bein a punk and go take some out for the cause. or is this just talk. or is this just talk. or is this just talk. i think this is just talk.
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78. "never assume"
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"fool, Hip-Hop is what I say it is" -- Saul Williams

  

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Marinera

Thu Mar-15-01 01:59 PM

  
71. "Changing the system,"
In response to Reply # 50


          

from the inside will do more than tossing molotov cocktails at a police cruiser ever will.

Check the post the other post I made further down. You'll see that I support your concept of community policing.

Guess I'm not such a cut and dry enemy after all . . .

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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Marinera

Thu Mar-15-01 02:00 PM

  
72. "Oh yeah,"
In response to Reply # 71


          

And you still haven't answered my questions . . .

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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79. "NOT!"
In response to Reply # 71


          

..just cause you support community policing doesn't make us cutty buddies..if you don't see the police as an extreme vehicle of oppression or "all bad" then you might support putting more out on the street...meanwhile i'm on the hood of a cruiser getting my nutts fondled...

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Marinera

Sun Mar-18-01 08:49 AM

  
90. "RE: NOT!"
In response to Reply # 79


          

>..just cause you support community policing
>doesn't make us cutty buddies..

I know that, personally I don't associate with anyone that still says "NOT!" so it's cool mane.

>if
>you don't see the police
>as an extreme vehicle of
>oppression or "all bad" then
>you might support putting more
>out on the street

I do support putting more on the street. I want them out of the cars and in the community, in the schools, out of uniform, participating in the day to day life of the neighborhood. I want the makeup of the police force to reflect the ethnic backgroud of the community they're policing. Once the police and the people in the community become individuals, you're gonna see things improve.

...meanwhile i'm
>on the hood of a
>cruiser getting my nutts fondled...

You've got some horny cops in your town.

But hey, you still haven't answered my question from before, but how about this:

What should we do?

If changing the system from the inside doesn't work, that what is your solution?

I'm really sick of people talking about: fuck the system! When they don't have anything to replace it.

I'm also sick of people who have a plan to replace the system but don't really act on it, and just sit here and type and type and type.

Which brings me to my next question . . . What are you doing to help improve the situation in your community?

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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94. "RE: NOT!"
In response to Reply # 90


          

>>.are u dense?!!! i've said time and time again...the system can be changed from the outside-in, when people take control of their own communityies...you don't need a council-man, a police chief or the mayor to do that...besides i'm not willing to catch a bullet or a beatdown from the cops just so that you can rest easy..

i think that persons should express their disdain for the system whether or not they have a sure-fire solution..as citizens it is not only our right but our duty...

i think i've already said what i'm doing in my community, if it went over your head read my other 30 posts...

"fool, Hip-Hop is what I say it is" -- Saul Williams

  

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Marinera

Wed Mar-21-01 09:43 AM

  
96. "RE: Outside In"
In response to Reply # 94


          

>>>.are u dense?!!!

Relax, tiger.

i've said time and time again...the system can be changed from the outside-in, when people take control of their own communityies

And, doesn't that include electing someone from their community to political office? Someone who creates new legislation and policies with his/her community's concerns in mind.

By the same token, why is it so wrong to have a black police chief working on the inside to help change the system? It's a helluva lot easier that way.

...you don't need a council-man, a police chief or the mayor to do that...

Yeah you do. To change the way the police operate, you need the police chief to put a proposal before city council, who vote on it. Then if that new proposal conflicts with any provincial/federal legislation regarding policing, then they have to amend it, which requires a vote.

So basically you've got a bunch of Anglo politicians voting on issues concerning an ethnic community. Now which way do you think they're gonna vote? Then why not elect some members of that community to act as a catalyst for change?

I don't see how you can change the system completely from the outside. Protests would fall on deaf ears, and if they got large enough the gov't would surely use some dirty tactics to discourage them. Armed uprisings and terrorist attacks would be met with military action on the community, causing death and destruction. etc.

The inside route is easier. Besides, what's so wrong with beating the devil at his own game?

besides i'm not willing to catch a bullet or a beatdown from the cops just so that you can rest easy..

Did I say anything like that? If innocent people are catching bullets them I'm not resting easy mane.

>i think that persons should express
>their disdain for the system
>whether or not they have
>a sure-fire solution..as citizens it
>is not only our right
>but our duty...

Go nuts, protest, it brings change. But you'll never be able to completely overhaul something as massive as policing in the US without people on the inside who are sympathetic to the cause.

>i think i've already said what
>i'm doing in my community,
>if it went over your
>head read my other 30
>posts...

I don't have time to read 30 posts . . . school, ya know?

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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Marinera

Wed Mar-14-01 03:10 PM

  
43. "What if . . ."
In response to Reply # 1


          

Your brother or sister decides to become a cop? Or your neighbor? Or your best friend?

Are you still gonna want them dead?

You, are, a, fool.

Plain and simple.

Ignorance . . . Hate it . . .

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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3. "when it comes to police..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

"fool, Hip-Hop is what I say it is" -- Saul Williams

  

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5. "sympathy for everybody"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

>Everyone has to die and I'm
>the type of person that
>feels something for someone who
>dies whether I know them
>or not. But, recently brought
>to my atttention in a
>conversation with several peers. We
>talked about an issue that
>happened in our my city.
>
>The situation was that an undercover
>officer was doing a drug
>sting and he pulled over
>this car. What the media
>tells us he pulled the
>car over and out of
>know where from around the
>corner a guy comes and
>shoots the officer in the
>head. The guy tries to
>run and while another officer
>was across the street sees
>the incident and starts to
>chase the guy about 7
>blocks and finally gets close
>and shoots at the guy
>running. The officer hit the
>guy and a little sever
>yr old girl. A tragedy
>for the officer yes, but
>is his death more important
>than that little seven yr
>old girl's death? Now, as
>usual the media will follow
>this all week blow his
>funeral up on tv and
>get all this feedback and
>sorrow. But, for this little
>girl she gets nothing. Not
>saying to glorify her dying
>or anything but don't neglect
>her and just label her
>"common folk" and think she's
>not good enough. Needless to
>say happens a lot. At
>any rate the question came
>up if we should have
>sympathy for officers and various
>answers were given. To sum
>it up everyone just about
>was in the middle with
>it. But tell me what
>you think.


peace & blessings,

x.


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"Rappers don't know, I'm out the hospital/
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"I'll chew your ass like monkeys on Wild Kingdom"

"you call yourself GOD, can you make it rain?/
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"under your arms, you're kickin power and musty"

"word to mom, I'm in my own world.../
galaxy raaaaaays... powerful"

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9. "damn "ENTER" button..."
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there should be sympathy for *everybody*, and i especially feel it for those who die unnecessarily, over some dumb ish that could be avoided. those circumstances can apply to police officers, depending on the situation (ie, there was this cop who was responding to a emergency call, who lost control of the cruiser on a tight curve and hit a telophone pole -- or, sometimes when a cop will pull over some knucklehead on a routine stop and get blasted in the face for no real reason).

that said, i don't feel that vibe that most of the country is on where a cop's life is worth more than that of a "common" citizen, as you point out. some would probably say 'who gives a damn' how everybody feels, they can feel what they want, but it does have an impact. let someone kill a cop and they will go to the ends of the earth to find the perp, but those same resources aren't mobilized when its 'just' a brother on the street, particularly if its deemed drug or gang related.

yinka, an all y'all on that vibe, need to think on what you're saying. i can feel where you coming from in some respects -- i've been spread eagled on the cold concrete w/ the gov't issued nine aimed at mine. however, i've also had cops help me push my broken down car out the road in the middle of the rain. i got a couple boys from high school who ended up as cops, an they pretty cool. sheeit -- my pop used to smoke weed w/ some cops ('nother story). they're people too. the occupation may attract a much higher percentage of assholes than others (some prolly go into coaching), but whatever percentage of them that just try to do their thing don't need to be shitted on en masse.

prayers go out for the soul of the little girl, and her family, though. cuz i doubt she's gonna get a parade. and oh yeah, if it was the cops bullet that killed her while he was trying to catch the cat that offed his partner, he was dead wrong, and should be prosecuted (but won't).

that's my .02,

peace & blessings,

x.




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19. "fuck a pig"
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fuck them...they joined the enemy...the police are the enmey to the black community that fact is tried and true...no amount of them pushin your car anywhere can make up for the numbers of us they've hunted down, imprisoned and killed

fuckin' sellout..

  

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23. "still human beings..."
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I don't like most cops myself, so I understand where you're coming from...

but at the same time, I have several family members who were/are in law enforcement.

So where do I stand?

I understand that there are a good number of cops that are in it for the right reasons, that try to help people when and where they can and that they are seriously trying to make a difference.

Are they the minority? Yes, I would say so. But they do exist. Some of the "good ones" leave the force out of frustration and disappointment not with the public, but with their own ranks.

But we should never forget that these are human beings with families and loved ones. And that--deserving or not--they are heroes to many.

So why I do feel that 9/10, being of color and a cop is an oxymoron, it's an ok paying job w/ benefits & (seems to me, anyway) a way out for some young men of color these days.

So what would u rather have? Another dealer on the streets, or another brother on the force?

Think about it.

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27. "simple"
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>So what would u rather have?
>Another dealer on the streets,
>or another brother on the
>force?
>
>Think about it.

yo, if my mamma joined the police force she deserves to get capped...plain and simple...at no point is it justifiable for an oppressed person to join with their oppressors...

though i'd hate to have another dealer on the streets..i hate even more the idea of havin another cop on the streets....my fight is against the cops and their regime...but my fight is against drugs not dealers





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33. "hmm...well,"
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>yo, if my mamma joined the
>police force she deserves to
>get capped...plain and simple...at no
>point is it justifiable for
>an oppressed person to join
>with their oppressors...

some people (not saying I do) believe that the only way to change the system is to have people working INSIDE and OUTSIDE. Having too many on either side won't institute any lasting change.

I mean, what you said sounds nice & all, but if we don't start doing some kind of policing of our communities on some level (offical or unofficial) the same bullshit is gonna keep going down.

And that still doesn't take away from the fact that cops are people with connections to other people. Those people hurt when they are killed, which is really all I was arguing in the first place.

L.

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36. "RE: hmm...well,"
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community policing is the only answer....from outside the system...we don't need them to do that....also oppression breeds resentment, despair and crime by nature
as for the officer's family and friends...hey, war ain't pretty
get used to it..

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38. "you don't make any sense at all. at all."
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40. "RE: you don't make any sense at all. at all."
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..if the term "community policing" threw you i mean members o fthe community takin responsibility for what happens there...

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41. "hey look!!! its the media!!!"
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64. "Gotta HAve..."
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a community first, which is something that is missing. If there was a sense of "Community," its members would not be doing anything destroy itself (i.e. selling drugs, gangbanging, etc.)

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80. "not true..exactly"
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..i get the feeling that you're saying because there are bad elements in my neighborhood then we can't function as a community and therefore, police are needed to keep us from killing ourselves...sounds republican....in reality all u need is a group of people in the community that will support those who are willing to do the work of the community...



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85. "Come to Unity"
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Excerpt from "The Real WORD" in "put up or shutyup redux" in the archives:

3. Building of Communities-

Where are the Black communities? "Hispanic" communities? In most cases there are none. All one sees is "Black or hispanic REGIONS or GHETTOS." Inherent in the word "community" is "unity." "come-to unity" does not exist. Communities are established when "like-minds" live together with common goals. This is not going to happen by simply introducing yourself to the neighbors. Communities are established when individuals have a connection that is larger that just the desire to "maintain a safe neighborhood." No the key is for groups of people who have the same goals and wishes, who can trust each other with one another's children, who interact more than just superficially at "get-togethers" and "neighborhood meetings." NO this happens when the neighbors are as personal to you as siblings, to the point where even if you are not totally monolithic in thought (which is unhealthy in the firs place) they'll have your back and you'll have theirs regardless. PEople such as this need to make concerted efforts to move into the same neighborhoods to where eventually they will have it on LOCK.

******

This is the community, I'm talking about. Police have nothing to do with this.


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86. "Semantics"
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...i'm not gonna play that game...what i'm talking about is taking responsibility for our communities(or whatever you wanna call it) and minimizing police involvement...what i'm talking about is as simple as introducing yourself to the neighbors...it's not something i'm talking about, it's something i'm being about....furthermore, how can u claim that there are no Black communities..?..maybe that's not happening in your neck of the woods....but there are many places i can name that are exactly as you define.......

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88. "Reading Comprehension"
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Hotep

From "Come to Unity"

"Where are the Black communities? "Hispanic" communities? In most cases there are none."

"Most" does not mean all. If you would read without so readily becoming defensive, you would understand this point. Calm down, noone is attacking your position on "community" (at least I'm not). I'm simply making the point that "policing" one's neighborhood is not an Afrikan concept. Does you home and family need to be "policed?" Does anyone in your family exploit the other by selling them addictive drugs and profitting off of them? Unforntunately this may be the case in some families but not in OUR traditional setting independent of Western influence. What I'm saying is in a COMMUNITY, there would be NO ONE selling his brother, sister, mother, father or child addictive substances or senselessly killing them. This is the point I'm making. This has NOTHING to do with the police. The police are guardians of system. They have taken an oath to serve it. HOwever drug dealers are also guardians to the system and they also took an oath to serve it. The only difference is that the system disguised itself as MONEY to the drug dealer and JUSTICE to the police.

PEace
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95. "RE: Reading Comprehension"
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..who says policing one's neighborhood is not an african concept, and if it isn't where and when did it originate...originally didstinct african tribes or "families" with diffrent affiliations wouldn't live in such close proximity of one another...





  

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48. "RE: hmm...well,"
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you're killing me...

  

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55. "*sigh*"
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>community policing is the only answer....from
>outside the system...we don't need
>them to do that....

so what do you suggest for the system in place? That it should be broken down completely and abolished? (again, not that I agree/disagree, I'm trying to figure out where your head's at)

I agree that communities should have sway over what happens in their area, but we can't hand every fool a gun, either. How will they be trained?


>also oppression
>breeds resentment, despair and crime
>by nature

I agree

>as for the officer's family and
>friends...hey, war ain't pretty
>get used to it..

talk to me when you have a family member invested in that profession, ok?

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62. "RE: *sigh*"
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..i'm not talking about a violent overthrow of the government..i'm talking about citizens of a community being responsible for themselves...that means security patrols...i'm not talkin about that gay neighborhood watch either...after a while the police stopped patrolling in my neighborhood...crime plummetted..it's an oasis in the desert...

as long as the cops aren't in my neighborhood or somewhere bashing my people's heads in i don't care what they do...

everybody doesn't need a gun...the politics of policing your own community are much different...presence and reputation alone solves a lot of problems..



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65. "RE: *sigh*"
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just wanted to know why the police stopped patroling...?
do you know?

if your mom was a cop you'd wish her dead? wtf do you think your mom would think of that? that's just cold...

shmooz

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81. "RE: *sigh*"
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..don't take that mother comment to heart all i'm saying is my relationship to my community is ordained by god...if my mother chooses to go the other way...i won't be comin over for sunday dinner....god dave me the opportunity to be an asset to my community...nothing comes between me and god...not even moms

police stopped patrolling because our reputation grew, there were no crimes or very few that would need police assistance
they know we handle our own problems..they drive past and nod every now and then...


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47. "RE: simple"
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and even more true. you go head...

  

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63. "No way out"
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HOtep

"So why I do feel that 9/10, being of color and a cop is an oxymoron, it's an ok paying job w/ benefits & (seems to me, anyway) a way out for some young men of color these days."

A "way out"? That is a terrible excuse. I know exactly where you are from but it is still pitiful, nonetheless. It is an excuse that I have seen in most of the men with whom I graduated, who are now in jail or have joined the military. In essence, those professions are the same but I also see the military as a degree higher in negativity. In both, the "system" controls the person, however, the military usually instills a strong sense of pride, reverance and loyalty to the "system" while jail usually does the opposite. Although those in jail may never truly understand exactly what IT is that they hate, they are more likely to BECOME against it than those in the military.

Same thing for cops. In ANY profession where one has to possibly give up one's life for a cause, nation, and/or system, a STRONG sense of loyalty will have to be instilled in the person. Therefore despite how "good" they maybe, at the heart of the matter they are still loyal to an entity that is against us.

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66. "Know where you are COMING FROM"
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67. "a few things..."
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>"So why I do feel that
>9/10, being of color and
>a cop is an oxymoron,
>it's an ok paying job
>w/ benefits & (seems to
>me, anyway) a way out
>for some young men of
>color these days."
>
>A "way out"? That is a
>terrible excuse. I know
>exactly where you are from
>but it is still pitiful,
>nonetheless.

I was just stating what I see. I wouldn't want my (unborn) kids doing it, but if you're coming out of high school and have no plans for college, what are you going to do? Especially if you already have a kid or family to take care of (which a lot of young men do these days). At least it's legal...what we need are some more goddamn choices.

Where's that school of yours when we need it...


>It is an
>excuse that I have seen
>in most of the men
>with whom I graduated, who
>are now in jail or
>have joined the military.
>In essence, those professions are
>the same but I also
>see the military as a
>degree higher in negativity.

As do I, but let's be real. Would you rather see them in prison or in the military? At least in the military (albeit at a price too high for my taste), they have the chance to learn a trade, get money for school or otherwise live a fulfilling life and not be marked for the rest of their lives as an ex con.


>In both, the "system" controls
>the person, however, the military
>usually instills a strong sense
>of pride, reverance and loyalty
>to the "system" while jail
>usually does the opposite.
>Although those in jail may
>never truly understand exactly what
>IT is that they hate,
>they are more likely to
>BECOME against it than those
>in the military.

Not understanding what you hate is some dangerous shit, Solarus. All it does is keep that revolving door going. Unless they can pick up some serious knowledge while they're locked down.


>Same thing for cops. In
>ANY profession where one has
>to possibly give up one's
>life for a cause, nation,
>and/or system, a STRONG sense
>of loyalty will have to
>be instilled in the person.
> Therefore despite how "good"
>they maybe, at the heart
>of the matter they are
>still loyal to an entity
>that is against us.

Ok. I'll give you that.

Still, I can't choose the prison path over the cop/military one. Both are abhorrent to me.

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70. "Military Prisoners"
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Hotep

>I was just stating what I
>see.

I know and I wasn't calling YOU pitiful, just the excuse. It is an excuse that is commonly spoken but largely known.

>I wouldn't want my
>(unborn) kids doing it, but
>if you're coming out of
>high school and have no
>plans for college, what are
>you going to do? Especially
>if you already have a
>kid or family to take
>care of (which a lot
>of young men do these
>days). At least it's legal...what
>we need are some more
>goddamn choices.
>

True.

>Where's that school of yours when
>we need it...
>
>
Working on it.

>As do I, but let's be
>real. Would you rather see
>them in prison or in
>the military? At least in
>the military (albeit at a
>price too high for my
>taste), they have the chance
>to learn a trade, get
>money for school or otherwise
>live a fulfilling life and
>not be marked for the
>rest of their lives as
>an ex con.

I ask myself that question all of the time and never come up with a good answer. Overall it depends on the person and their experiences in prison or the military. Of course, I would have a strong disdain for the military because my family is from Panama and all of my uncles (mother's side) joined the American military and my aunts married (Panamanian) men in the American military (except for one who stayed in PAnama). Also my uncles are some of the most pitiful, gung-ho, American negroes around. Needless to say my brother and I (both have locks) are BLACK SHEEP of my mother's side of the family. One of my uncles almost fought me when I told him how gross America is.

"Don't you talk about America! This country has been DAMN good to me!"

Damn shame.


>
>Not understanding what you hate is
>some dangerous shit, Solarus. All
>it does is keep that
>revolving door going. Unless they
>can pick up some serious
>knowledge while they're locked down.
>

True but there is more opportunity to realize the TRUTH than a person who is complacent living in the false reality of life on the military base.


>
>Still, I can't choose the prison
>path over the cop/military one.
>Both are abhorrent to me.
>

I can't choose either but it is more likely that I would (could) connect with a former prisoner versus a former military man.
But On that same token my father joined the military with the same uncle that I discussed before. My father was "honorably discharged." He really wasn't big on authority but stayed in it long enough to get a good job with the post office. So there is always hope, but we have to take it person by person...

PEace
Solarus


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73. "so true, so true..."
In response to Reply # 70


  

          

>I know and I wasn't calling
>YOU pitiful, just the excuse.
> It is an excuse
>that is commonly spoken but
>largely known.

I didn't take it personally...I was just sayin...


>>Where's that school of yours when
>>we need it...
>>
>>
>Working on it.




>Overall it depends
>on the person and their
>experiences in prison or the
>military.

very true.


>Also my uncles
>are some of the most
>pitiful, gung-ho, American negroes around.
> Needless to say my
>brother and I (both have
>locks) are BLACK SHEEP of
>my mother's side of the
>family. One of my uncles
>almost fought me when I
>told him how gross America
>is.
>
>"Don't you talk about America! This
>country has been DAMN good
>to me!"
>
>Damn shame.

yeah, I hate to see that too. My father is a Vietnam vet, and I think he's very conflicted. I think he largely joined the military to get away from his family. And while he has that loyalty that was burned into his brain at basic training, he still saw how Black soldiers were treated in Nam, knows he was probably exposed to Agent Orange, etc.

He was also a cop for years, but he was pissed as hell when Diallo got killed. And he's always talking about how the profession is getting a bad rap from renegade cops.

I hate to see that war going on inside him sometimes, but I'm happy as hell that he's not completely blinded.


>>Not understanding what you hate is
>>some dangerous shit, Solarus. All
>>it does is keep that
>>revolving door going. Unless they
>>can pick up some serious
>>knowledge while they're locked down.
>>
>
>True but there is more opportunity
>to realize the TRUTH than
>a person who is complacent
>living in the false reality
>of life on the military
>base.

can't argue with that...


>>Still, I can't choose the prison
>>path over the cop/military one.
>>Both are abhorrent to me.
>>
>
>I can't choose either but it
>is more likely that I
>would (could) connect with a
>former prisoner versus a former
>military man.

understood.


>But On that same token my
>father joined the military with
>the same uncle that I
>discussed before. My father was
>"honorably discharged." He really wasn't
>big on authority but stayed
>in it long enough to
>get a good job with
>the post office. So
>there is always hope, but
>we have to take it
>person by person...

True.

peace

L.

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28. "muhfuka you don't KNOW me..."
In response to Reply # 19


  

          

>fuck them...they joined the enemy...the police

so by your logic, none of the oppressed should be police and we'd be left with 'only' the racist, evil cops? what about the ones (i admit its mad rare) who cross the blue line and drop dime on the ones who are oppressing? they should get the 'neclace' too?

>are the enmey to the
>black community that fact is
>tried and true...no amount of
>them pushin your car anywhere
>can make up for the
>numbers of us they've hunted
>down, imprisoned and killed

i never said it did, or could. cops do foul shit on the regular and i personally couldn't be one, but even though i can't stand the police as an institution, i was talking about the fact that there are individuals that don't get down like that.

like i said, the profession is probably a magnet for cats that like to power trip, but there are some who join cause they see it as just "a job", and others who actually think they can do some good. as long as they don't fall into all the bullshit (profiling, abuse, harassment, etc.) i don't have a problem with that.

i take probably a dimmer view of heads that join the kilitary since they're more likely to be called upon to act as an agent of oppression. but even then, if they don't have any comprehension of the world beyond the US, and believe all the propaganda they receive, how else are they gonna act?

>fuckin' sellout..

whateva, man. but you know what's funny? anybody with any understanding of activist movements knows that the cats that pop the most outlandish shit are the ones most like to be agent provocateurs, gov't plants on some cointelbro mission to keep the real heads off balance, or lure them into a trap. so who's the sellout? (anybody reading this: if you got funny-style cats in your cipher always talkin about throwin grenades an shit, you need to watch your back.)

if you just venting and lettin off steam, you need to be aware of ech-e-lon an' all the monitoring that goes on -- i'm prolly already on the list so it don't make me much diff, but that's another post...


"now Fight The Power... b*tch ass ni**as..." Ras Kass

peace & blessings,

x.


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masani

Wed Mar-14-01 09:00 AM

  
30. "RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me..."
In response to Reply # 28


          

>>fuck them...they joined the enemy...the police
>
>so by your logic, none of
>the oppressed should be police
>and we'd be left with
>'only' the racist, evil cops?
>what about the ones (i
>admit its mad rare) who
>cross the blue line and
>drop dime on the ones
>who are oppressing? they should
>get the 'neclace' too?
>
>>are the enmey to the
>>black community that fact is
>>tried and true...no amount of
>>them pushin your car anywhere
>>can make up for the
>>numbers of us they've hunted
>>down, imprisoned and killed
>
>i never said it did, or
>could. cops do foul
>shit on the regular and
>i personally couldn't be one,
>but even though i can't
>stand the police as an
>institution, i was talking about
>the fact that there are
>individuals that don't get down
>like that.
>
>like i said, the profession is
>probably a magnet for cats
>that like to power trip,
>but there are some who
>join cause they see it
>as just "a job", and
>others who actually think they
>can do some good. as
>long as they don't fall
>into all the bullshit (profiling,
>abuse, harassment, etc.) i don't
>have a problem with that.
>
>
>i take probably a dimmer view
>of heads that join the
>kilitary since they're more likely
>to be called upon to
>act as an agent of
>oppression. but even then, if
>they don't have any comprehension
>of the world beyond the
>US, and believe all the
>propaganda they receive, how else
>are they gonna act?
>
>>fuckin' sellout..
>
>whateva, man. but you know what's
>funny? anybody with any understanding
>of activist movements knows that
>the cats that pop the
>most outlandish shit are the
>ones most like to be
>agent provocateurs, gov't plants on
>some cointelbro mission to keep
>the real heads off balance,
>or lure them into a
>trap. so who's the sellout?
>(anybody reading this: if you
>got funny-style cats in your
>cipher always talkin about throwin
>grenades an shit, you need
>to watch your back.)
>
>if you just venting and lettin
>off steam, you need to
>be aware of ech-e-lon an'
>all the monitoring that goes
>on -- i'm prolly already
>on the list so it
>don't make me much diff,
>but that's another post...
>
>
>"now Fight The Power... b*tch ass
>ni**as..." Ras Kass
>
>peace & blessings,
>
>x.



  

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masani

Wed Mar-14-01 09:10 AM

  
32. "RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me..."
In response to Reply # 30


          

No, not all cops are bad people but we are really speaking of them in the context of their jobs and in that capacity, they are agents of repression. We used to call them rollers back in the 80's in LA, funny we used to call them the pattyrollers during slavery. I guess the more things change the more they stay the same... The real question in my mind is, why the double standard? Why are our lives so less valuable and why does everyone accept that? Really, Nat Turner knew that the slave master was a human being, with a family and all that but when someone's existence is predicated on your (mine and our) oppression, a choice must be made! If we want Black and Latino lives valued, we the ones gotta value em'.

To paraphrase June Jordan, "What chu think, if everytime they take one of us out, we take one of them out, how many of us would keep being killed?..."

>>>fuck them...they joined the enemy...the police
>>
>>so by your logic, none of
>>the oppressed should be police
>>and we'd be left with
>>'only' the racist, evil cops?
>>what about the ones (i
>>admit its mad rare) who
>>cross the blue line and
>>drop dime on the ones
>>who are oppressing? they should
>>get the 'neclace' too?
>>
>>>are the enmey to the
>>>black community that fact is
>>>tried and true...no amount of
>>>them pushin your car anywhere
>>>can make up for the
>>>numbers of us they've hunted
>>>down, imprisoned and killed
>>
>>i never said it did, or
>>could. cops do foul
>>shit on the regular and
>>i personally couldn't be one,
>>but even though i can't
>>stand the police as an
>>institution, i was talking about
>>the fact that there are
>>individuals that don't get down
>>like that.
>>
>>like i said, the profession is
>>probably a magnet for cats
>>that like to power trip,
>>but there are some who
>>join cause they see it
>>as just "a job", and
>>others who actually think they
>>can do some good. as
>>long as they don't fall
>>into all the bullshit (profiling,
>>abuse, harassment, etc.) i don't
>>have a problem with that.
>>
>>
>>i take probably a dimmer view
>>of heads that join the
>>kilitary since they're more likely
>>to be called upon to
>>act as an agent of
>>oppression. but even then, if
>>they don't have any comprehension
>>of the world beyond the
>>US, and believe all the
>>propaganda they receive, how else
>>are they gonna act?
>>
>>>fuckin' sellout..
>>
>>whateva, man. but you know what's
>>funny? anybody with any understanding
>>of activist movements knows that
>>the cats that pop the
>>most outlandish shit are the
>>ones most like to be
>>agent provocateurs, gov't plants on
>>some cointelbro mission to keep
>>the real heads off balance,
>>or lure them into a
>>trap. so who's the sellout?
>>(anybody reading this: if you
>>got funny-style cats in your
>>cipher always talkin about throwin
>>grenades an shit, you need
>>to watch your back.)
>>
>>if you just venting and lettin
>>off steam, you need to
>>be aware of ech-e-lon an'
>>all the monitoring that goes
>>on -- i'm prolly already
>>on the list so it
>>don't make me much diff,
>>but that's another post...
>>
>>
>>"now Fight The Power... b*tch ass
>>ni**as..." Ras Kass
>>
>>peace & blessings,
>>
>>x.



  

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34. "i agree..."
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

>No, not all cops are bad
>people but we are really
>speaking of them in the
>context of their jobs and
>in that capacity, they are
>agents of repression. We
>used to call them rollers
>back in the 80's in
>LA, funny we used to
>call them the pattyrollers during
>slavery. I guess the more
>things change the more they
>stay the same...

with this -- they are frequently agents of repression/suppression, and the roller/pattyroller description is often fitting.

The
>real question in my mind
>is, why the double standard?
>Why are our lives so
>less valuable and why does
>everyone accept that? Really,
>Nat Turner knew that the
>slave master was a human
>being, with a family and
>all that but when someone's
>existence is predicated on your
>(mine and our) oppression, a
>choice must be made! If
>we want Black and Latino
>lives valued, we the ones
>gotta value em'.

with this also -- i don't buy into the propaganda that their lives are more valuable than any and everyone else's. as a matter of fact, when it happens to be an individual among them who is actively about repression/suppression, then i think its fair to value that life *less* than that of others. i damn sure won't shed no tears for dead klan, and if someone has on a 'blue' robe, the principle holds. like i said, i think dude misinterpereted my previous post.

>To paraphrase June Jordan, "What chu
>think, if everytime they take
>one of us out, we
>take one of them out,
>how many of us would
>keep being killed?..."

whole 'nother issue, which i don't have time to deal w/ right now, but i'll get back...

peace & blessings,

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35. "that's what I'm sayin..."
In response to Reply # 28


  

          

>so by your logic, none of
>the oppressed should be police
>and we'd be left with
>'only' the racist, evil cops?
>what about the ones (i
>admit its mad rare) who
>cross the blue line and
>drop dime on the ones
>who are oppressing? they should
>get the 'neclace' too?

exactly my point earlier. my dad talks worse about cops than most "civilians" & he used to be one


>whateva, man. but you know what's
>funny? anybody with any understanding
>of activist movements knows that
>the cats that pop the
>most outlandish shit are the
>ones most like to be
>agent provocateurs, gov't plants on
>some cointelbro mission to keep
>the real heads off balance,
>or lure them into a
>trap. so who's the sellout?
>(anybody reading this: if you
>got funny-style cats in your
>cipher always talkin about throwin
>grenades an shit, you need
>to watch your back.)

lmao....


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37. "RE: muhfuka you don't KNOW me..."
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..i don't see why it's such a hard line to draw....how can be the military arm of the prison industrial complex, uphold their values and still be down..?..

i don't deny that they may be able to get someone's cat out of a tree but the reality is that in my community they serve a much different purpose

..that was extremely intelligent...when you can't handle the issues and are faced with your own hypocrisy..you accuse me of bein a snitch...dumbass

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Nice1

Wed Mar-14-01 07:56 PM

  
46. "RE: fuck a pig"
In response to Reply # 19


          

this is soooooo true.

  

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29. "RE: sympathy for everybody"
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>
>"word to mom, I'm in my
>own world.../
>galaxy raaaaaays... powerful"


Nigga I love that kool Kieth song

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6. "RE: Sympathy for officers?"
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I think that we should have sympathy for anyone who puts their life on the line every day just to help others, BUT I also KNOW that most cops, especially in urban areas-no fuck that-EVERYWHERE, have hidden agendas and are always trying to look like the good guys when they are not-by far. Yes the poor cop died but he know the risks of his job when he puts on his uniform every day. That little girl was an innocent bystander and had no part in anything. If the muthafucka can't aim then maybe he should never have had a gun or badge in the first place.


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8. "WHERE ARE U AT?"
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-got arrested for sayin fuck the police when we surrounded by like 5 police cars and at least 10 cops when we were at my mans house in white neighborhood the summer before my freshman year and they was talkin shit and pushin us around cuz somebody called the cops on us when we played a little football in the street a few hours earlier--and then when we got to the station after the cop had called me a piece of shit my uncle (who was a seargent) called up and told them who i was and then they were gonna just let ME go and keep the other three guys i was with so i said fuck it and then they ripped up the police reports and gave us all tickets for not obeying police orders to disperse (about 1 minute after they said "nobody is going fucking anywhere") then when we went to court the sons of bitches dismissed the case cuz every body's parents came and they found out that we all had been accepted to college for the fall and realized that we wasn't goin out as easy as some "regular niggers" would have. i was put in the squad car first before they cuffed my 3 boys and the whole time im hearing these punk ass cops makin jokes about us startin the riots up all over a gain.....this was 94...rodney king was like 89...man i know people are people but man these was some punks ass bacon and cheese honkey ham sammiches.

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11. "those cops"
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can "catch" one.

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12. "DAMN"
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That is some straight up BS

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14. "RE: DAMN"
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thats the kind of shit that most folks don't get when it comes to the negative view of the police that alot of black folks have. they hear stories and write it off sayin that we probably had chips on our shoulders and that it was a misunderstanding. bullshit......i mean worse shit has happened to people i'm not really even complainin like that for myself but we were 100% innocent of any wrongdoing but what if i'd have had some weed on me? jail. what if my man had a swissarmy knife longer than his pinky finger? jail. big beef cop #2 was pushin my boy (dude was the biggest one of us but he was far from a badass -he is actually kind of a pussy) so he was pushin my homeboy saying "what u tough?" "i dare u to take a swing at me mother fucker" and im buggin out like.......man this shit aint legal at fuckin all! then the girl we was with was all cryin an shit and this chick cops is telling to me to explain my self with her hand on her pistol tellin me to keep mine on the hood of the car and then im lookin around at all this bullshit i gets militant looked ms. piggy in the face and yelled "...maaaannnnn fuck the police" and then she 's like awwww nawwww you goin in....then after she cuffs me her boy tosses me in the back seat and whispers..."no....fuck you pal" and i was like ohhh helll nawww.
this shit is almost funny as im re-tellin it. but any way yeah ....man the cops be on some bullshit cuz we was all good citizens and shit.....oh yeah and the punk ass cop after talkin to my uncle the cop on the phone, is about to hand me the phone to talk to him and he says into to the phone that I was the one that said fuck the police. like i needed that shit. "fuck the police huh, son?" "u got a lot to learn boy!"
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15. "RE: DAMN"
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thats a real slave type attitude to have about. Just because you got arrested for nothing we can't say fuck the police. Nigga fuck the police. them mothafuckas shootin' our seeds beatin us all the streets, going thru the blocks like world wide mobsters. And we can't say fuck the police. are you suggesting that we sit be quite and say " yessum sir, ohh i'mse sorry sur" fuck that if you feel like fuck the police than fuck the police. Brotha die to live not live to die.

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16. "huh?"
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:)

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18. "nah....don't fuck the police......"
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fuck the dude thats keeps sellin you the shit that your on. say no to crack, smack, and yak.
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17. "RE: DAMN"
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I get it though, I've witnessed it 1st hand

I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize
that what you heard is not what I meant.
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31. "that's foul."
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i remember it was so bad in DC, they used to have community forums in some of the projects instructing some of the youngins how NOT to act in the presence of 5-0.

this one lady was talking about some cops would carry thumbtacks, and stick kids in the leg while putting them in the car. when the kid jumped, they'd say he was resisting and have an excuse to beat him down.

sh*t is wrong.


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20. "retribution..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

..i cheer anytime i hear a cop caught a bullet...whenever there's a rash of cop killings i feel liberated...if a cop was lynched for every prince jones, malice green, diallo, louima or rodney king there would be no police brutality..don't forget that the bpp started to monitor police presence in the community

fuck 'em
you'll never find peace in the streets
until the niggaz get a piece
fuck police -- 2pac


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21. "RE: retribution..."
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i feel ya..........It's just when they put a face & family on it and add all the guilt trip shit, it kinda gets me in the heart. Yeah, I guess I'm a sucka-but I feel for anyone over a cop any day



I know that you believe that you understood what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize
that what you heard is not what I meant.
-- Robert McCloskey, State Department spokesman (attributed)


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22. "RE: retribution..."
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>i feel ya..........It's just when they
>put a face & family
>on it and add all
>the guilt trip shit, it
>kinda gets me in the
>heart. Yeah, I guess I'm
>a sucka-but I feel for
>anyone over a cop any
>day
>
>
>


Don't feel sorry for a cop. Just remember that they're probably going home and telling their kids racist things about blacks anyways, so the cop's kids are going to end up as bad as them. Fuck all the cops. Shits I take in my toilet are worth more than their lives.


  

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24. "what about the black ones? n/m"
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25. "what about the samoan ones?"
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..it's not about color...haven't you ever heard the song "Black Cop"?...didn't you see the black philly police beatin' dudes ass...


"fool, Hip-Hop is what I say it is" -- Saul Williams

  

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Marinera

Wed Mar-14-01 03:25 PM

  
45. "Yeah, fuck the black cops!"
In response to Reply # 25


          

Like that one in my city. One of the most decorated officers in the squad's history.

Who the fuck does he think he is? Organizing a group committed to ending racial profiling, making petitions. Promoting community policing! Fuck em all!

Just thought I'd throw that in there . . .

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49. "RE: what about the black ones? n/m"
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fuck them too.

  

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56. "citing generalizations"
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that's all.

like Marinera said, they're usually the ones (along w/ other officers of color) who are trying to bring some balance on the the scene, organizing people to stop racial profiling, educating people on how to keep a traffic stop from becoming a murder scene & so on.

I don't say this to say that I'm all "yeah! cops! whoo hoo!"...I'm not. Neither is any really decent cop that's trying to make a difference. Because they know what goes on.

But you can't just say "fuck em all." You don't have to love them, but you should open up your mind a little bit to see all sides of the issue before you get all hyped up on hard-sounding revolutionary rhetoric.

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74. "and another thing..."
In response to Reply # 56


  

          

(thought about this earlier today)

Most of these cops getting killed in the line of duty are NOT being killed for some revolutionary cause or in defense of themselves or their families.

The people killing them are, for the most part, NOT the Rodney Kings. They are NOT the Assata Shakurs. They are NOT the Fred Hamptons.

Most of them are being killed by the knuckleheads selling dope to your cousin or your aunt. The knuckleheads that jacked you & your brother last week. The knucklehead that got your baby sister locked up for carrying a package.

Just to put it in perspective.

L.

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yinka

Fri Mar-16-01 09:27 AM

  
76. "RE: and another thing..."
In response to Reply # 74


          

>(thought about this earlier today)
>
>Most of these cops getting killed
>in the line of duty
>are NOT being killed for
>some revolutionary cause or in
>defense of themselves or their
>families.
>
>The people killing them are, for
>the most part, NOT the
>Rodney Kings. They are NOT
>the Assata Shakurs. They are
>NOT the Fred Hamptons.
>
>Most of them are being killed
>by the knuckleheads selling dope
>to your cousin or your
>aunt. The knuckleheads that jacked
>you & your brother last
>week. The knucklehead that got
>your baby sister locked up
>for carrying a package.
>
>Just to put it in perspective.
>

and to continue with your perspective; how did said knuckleheads come to become that? some history please. it really does matter.

and since you chose to use them, what do you think fred hampton's and assatka shakur's perspectives would be on the police/knucklehead situation?

finally, would you suggest that we declare these knuckleheads our enemies and feed them to our other enemy (i count the police/army of the united states the enemy of all black people. you obviously don't, but that's what i mean by 'our enemy'.


  

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77. "RE: and another thing..."
In response to Reply # 76


  

          

>and to continue with your perspective;
>how did said knuckleheads come
>to become that? some
>history please. it really
>does matter.

I didn't say it didn't matter. I know it does. It's a vicious cycle. We all need to have a hand in stopping it. At all levels. But you have to admit that some folks, no matter how decent a hand they're dealt in life, just choose to fuck up. But that's neither here nor there. I was just playing devil's advocate, trying to bring some balance to the discussion.


>and since you chose to use
>them, what do you think
>fred hampton's and assatka shakur's
>perspectives would be on the
>police/knucklehead situation?

Now how am I supposed to speak for them? But if I had to give an answer I think they would say there is a way to act against the system and a way not to.


>finally, would you suggest that we
>declare these knuckleheads our enemies
>and feed them to our
>other enemy (i count the
>police/army of the united states
>the enemy of all black
>people. you obviously don't, but
>that's what i mean by
>'our enemy'.

First of all, don't tell me what I "obviously" do or do not think. Check my other posts. Especially the discussion between Solarus and I.

But to answer, no, the knuckleheads are not our enemies, per se. They need choices. They need intervention. And probably a history lesson. But until they can be helped, who's going to protect us from them? I agree, the police/army won't, but do we always protect ourselves?

Someone brought up community policing earlier. The response was that there needs to be a sense of community first. And that is sadly lacking today.

L.

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82. "who protects us from you"
In response to Reply # 77


          

..who protects us from them????...if these are your people, your brothers and sisters how on earth can you justify allowing some clown with a badge, an arsenal and a temper...to play body guard..if you love your people there's no way that you would let that happen...that's a straight bitch move...i've never called the police on anyone in my fucking life and i never will..i don't walk the streets feeling insecure hoping a cop car is nearby to protect my safety...ask any criminal justice student, cops aren't there to foil crimes...the are there to hunt those that are a threat to the state...period...it is not about and never will be about your, or my safety...

...niggaz need to stop snitching....stop copping out, talking abot "sense of community first"...let me let you in on a little secret...the ideal situation will never happen....you gotta be a man or woman wherever you live and stand on your own two...you have a responsibility to the kids and others in the community to not let no bs go down...


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83. "say wha?"
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>if these
>are your people, your brothers
>and sisters how on earth
>can you justify allowing some
>clown with a badge, an
>arsenal and a temper...to play
>body guard..if you love your
>people there's no way that
>you would let that happen...that's
>a straight bitch move...

??????????


>i've never
>called the police on anyone
>in my fucking life and
>i never will..

I hope I don't get raped some night and you're the only witness...


>i don't walk
>the streets feeling insecure hoping
>a cop car is nearby
>to protect my safety...

did I say I did? It's a catch 22. It's not guaranteed that the cops are going to protect you, but it's not guaranteed that you're going to always be safe from people just because they look like you. ("Hey, we brothas...don't rob me" "Nigga, fuck u, I'm tryin to feed my kids")

On one level, I refuse to be afraid of my own folks, but that's REAL. Is there a reason you don't want to see that?


>ask any
>criminal justice student, cops aren't
>there to foil crimes...the are
>there to hunt those that
>are a threat to the
>state...period...it is not about and
>never will be about your,
>or my safety...

ok. I'll give you that.


>...niggaz need to stop snitching....

In what capacity? Is there ever a reason to call the authorities? If not, what are YOU willing to do to make the streets safe?


>stop copping
>out,

?????????????????


>talking abot "sense of
>community first"...let me let you
>in on a little secret...the
>ideal situation will never happen....you
>gotta be a man or
>woman wherever you live and
>stand on your own two...you
>have a responsibility to the
>kids and others in the
>community to not let no
>bs go down...

You just contradicted yourself.


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87. "RE: say wha?"
In response to Reply # 83


          

...i think the need for security is inherent in the idea of community policing...the very idea...i accept that crime happens...fact is that we protect ourselves and one another....even from our own selves..i don't equate the protection and precaution with fear of my people...

you tell me when there is a need for police or to call the police...for me the forseeable instances are very few...


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yinka

Fri Mar-16-01 11:44 AM

  
84. "RE: and another thing..."
In response to Reply # 77


          


>
>First of all, don't tell me
>what I "obviously" do or
>do not think. Check my
>other posts. Especially the discussion
>between Solarus and I.

you need to relax a little. judging from all your posts on this topic you made it very obvious where you stood. if there is some conflict between what you posted here and in other threads then i think it's safe to say there is also some obvious confusion on your part.

>
>But to answer, no, the knuckleheads
>are not our enemies, per
>se. They need choices. They
>need intervention. And probably a
>history lesson. But until they
>can be helped, who's going
>to protect us from them?
>I agree, the police/army won't,
>but do we always protect
>ourselves?
>
>Someone brought up community policing earlier.
>The response was that there
>needs to be a sense
>of community first. And that
>is sadly lacking today.

it's nice that you clarified your earlier post, i can agree with some of it generally. as far as history, you might want to check out the history and development of the police itself.

  

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91. "I was talking to"
In response to Reply # 84


  

          

>>First of all, don't tell me
>>what I "obviously" do or
>>do not think. Check my
>>other posts. Especially the discussion
>>between Solarus and I.
>
>you need to relax a little.
>judging from all your posts
>on this topic you made
>it very obvious where you
>stood. if there is
>some conflict between what you
>posted here and in other
>threads then i think it's
>safe to say there is
>also some obvious confusion on
>your part.

Paragon. And the reason I came off like that is because s/he doesn't seem to READ before s/he responds at times. I was just citing that one should not be so ready to make assumptions.

There is no confusion. Or conflict. I just don't adhere to the "all cops are pigs" or "they are here to protect and serve us" extremes. There are gray areas. Just trying to balance the discussion a little.


>it's nice that you clarified your
>earlier post, i can agree
>with some of it generally.
> as far as history,
>you might want to check
>out the history and development
>of the police itself.

Paragon was arguing my reference to "knuckleheads" and how they came to be the way they are. That's the "history" I was referring to.

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yinka

Mon Mar-19-01 05:13 AM

  
92. "RE: I was talking to"
In response to Reply # 91


          

>>>First of all, don't tell me
>>>what I "obviously" do or
>>>do not think. Check my
>>>other posts. Especially the discussion
>>>between Solarus and I.
>>
>>you need to relax a little.
>>judging from all your posts
>>on this topic you made
>>it very obvious where you
>>stood. if there is
>>some conflict between what you
>>posted here and in other
>>threads then i think it's
>>safe to say there is
>>also some obvious confusion on
>>your part.
>
>Paragon. And the reason I came
>off like that is because
>s/he doesn't seem to READ
>before s/he responds at times.
>I was just citing that
>one should not be so
>ready to make assumptions.
>
>There is no confusion. Or conflict.
>I just don't adhere to
>the "all cops are pigs"
>or "they are here to
>protect and serve us" extremes.
>There are gray areas. Just
>trying to balance the discussion
>a little.
>
>
>>it's nice that you clarified your
>>earlier post, i can agree
>>with some of it generally.
>> as far as history,
>>you might want to check
>>out the history and development
>>of the police itself.
>
>Paragon was arguing my reference to
>"knuckleheads" and how they came
>to be the way they
>are. That's the "history" I
>was referring to.
>

na unh, that was me.

  

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93. "oh I see...pardon the error n/m"
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yinka

Thu Mar-15-01 06:45 AM

  
54. "RE: retribution..."
In response to Reply # 20


          

>..i cheer anytime i hear a
>cop caught a bullet...whenever there's
>a rash of cop killings
>i feel liberated...if a cop
>was lynched for every prince
>jones, malice green, diallo, louima
>or rodney king there would
>be no police brutality..don't forget
>that the bpp started to
>monitor police presence in the
>community
>
>fuck 'em
>you'll never find peace in the
>streets
>until the niggaz get a piece
>

perfection!

  

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26. "i fuck the police..."
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no...the life of a civil servant cannot be versus that of a child's...it's like...do we remove a planet or a star???
i respect the police...i don't respect the unrespectable
i'm still tryin to marginalize how someone should be put to death over the killin of a cop versus anyone else
that being said...cops get top billin...mostly because the PD wouldn't have it any other way...the media doesn't give a fuck about cops...their basis for most of their expose's & top stories...the media is goin to portray the goings on surroundin this cops' funeral because the PD is goin about makin it such...i'm not tellin u to do anything in particular...but when u say "for this little girl she gets nothing"...that includes what u give to her as well


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39. "RE: Sympathy for officers?"
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Yo we sent out the signal right?
And this is what happened
The voice of Hip Hop got heard
Never comprimised this is how we put it down c'mon


Throughout my thuglife I've seen the most trife
Like those fightin over the role of dice
Flash your whole life when killas on a hiest
Soulja tight , get poltergiest over the bowl of Christ
Who pulled the slice from cats aiming gats who shoulder height Told you right G be the one that come and hold a mic
Then aim it at the whole vice squad to stop patrollin nights
Rollin like every prototype nigga was dolomite
One man be cold as ice inside his gun hand he holds your life


This for those who pose in they graves
Waitin for they piece when the law misbehave
I say we fall deep watch 'em walk the beat
Like you can't cross streets make them all retreat
(now) Judges and the jury be a little to aqquainted
Ending up defendants when we 'posed to be the plantiffs
Laugh now cause soon the thrill stops
When heads get it on and start to kill cops


I'm sober but they pull me over
What i do yo? (what we do yo?)
Poe-poe go i'm drivin to slow (cool yo)
Eyes toward them explorin them (damn)
Four of 'em that's why i'm ignoring them (uh-oh)
Think quick
Bring like king skip
Before they bring this to some Rodeny King shit
Forget them fools
Nah make no sudden moves
They reachin for they tools (let's move)
You buggin dude
Kirk you ran the stop,(nah) word them pigs frontin
Yo tell like you tell 'em cousin we ain't did nothin
All they see is three blacks in a jeep with seats back
Lookin for G packs how the blood dog can eat that
They thirst upon a reason to blast you can't peep that
Gats and a badge to match you can't beat that so bounce on


My people unite and let's all get down
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
Do it right ya'll, keep it tight ya'll, do it right ya'll, just do it


Blood on they hands, blood on my mans
Destroying the fam
More souljas die, another mother cries
Anthony Buyers, Allona Bumpers, Diallo
Let it keep happenin and there's more to follow
It's even deeper then that Penal shot in the back
Forever we fight and cus but the world still adjust
So many bullets just to stop one man
Is that the plan,
To leave us all dead in the street (nah)


I'm an opponent of violence
To many of my guys have become moments in silence
Law takes lives and condone it through sirens and nightsticks
i write quick
Hopin that


I might hit somebody in the heart


Like an arrow with her eyes on a sparrow
Yo i feel my peoples pain all in my bone marrow


I'm tellin Pharoah to let my folks go
Marks been singin to law like they background vocals


Local, state, federal cops have been payed properly
To protect the property
How can i just stand by and watch a man die for nothin and not react
The way we spit on this track is how we bustin back


Yo i pimp slap 5-0
Get behind them and make the marks drive slow


Yo, you wanna know how to improve on the quality of life?
Try respectin it step in my zone with that madness and i'm checkin' it


Cops they transport me from Long island to Medina
with they fucked up demeanor
Dreamin of stickin it to me like Abner Louima
Pharoahe slash El-Hajj Malik Shabazz in the flesh
with plans of retaliations for you coward ass
God please allow me to preach for 'em
A voiceless man through a spirit i speek for him
Step to city hall for delf do it for dolo
with a vision of cops inside the Public Enemy logo


All that scheming and plotting
The young absorb like cotton does
Ecspecially in my city where the core steady rotten in
You would thought 5-0 would cut it all short
But they play the biggest part in the art of living wrong
In our land cops guns clap more then hands
As if we don't deserve what they hear to preserve
We just tryin to do it right in these boroughs that we reppin in
While they trying to fill us with more lead then zeppilin


My people unite and let's all get down
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
My people unite and let's all get down
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
My people unite and let's all get down
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight
My people unite, hop up and do it right
We gotta have what? love peace and understandin
One god, One love, One light
One aim, One voice, One fight

"fool, Hip-Hop is what I say it is" -- Saul Williams

  

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42. "you go to computer school don't you???"
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well--huh?? mc-such-and-such???

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51. "what about the good nazis?"
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52. "do not know that that is a real question??"
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53. " do you not know that that is a real question??"
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57. "wtf? expound...n/m"
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61. "RE: wtf? expound...n/m"
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he thinks all cops belong to the military arm of america's evil empire. therefore the only good cop is a dead cop regardless of what they do to fight racism, brutality, etc.
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68. "oops...missed the sarcasm n/m"
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89. "ive see to much dirt.."
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Done by police officers to have sympathy for them.
This is just how i feel now and have for a long time.

I live in the hood y'know. So i see how things go. I see them only come around when it quota time. Or when the do decide to do something about the crack & shyt they just take the money from the person slinging.

Theyre slow.

They are hardly willing to REALLY help.

I have 6 blood brothers and Ive seen them be very much disrespect as a man. Sometimes it seemed that I got more angry about it than they did. Why is this type of behavior expected from police?

Ive seen them wrestle and call my brother's girl a bitch ect.

They are all full of themselves and full of shit.

So, no. Im not sorry.
They can all go to hell.

p.s. and yes, i know im generalizing. but this is ALL that i have seen.


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97. "RE: Sympathy for officers?"
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Death is always a sad thing, to answer your question, yes i sympathize for slain officers. There are good cops out there just like there are bad cops.

  

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