What up okayplayers. I just wanted to post an interesting news article that is about zach de la rocha's new solo album...and how he is working with ?uestlove.'

The fact that he is working with brother ?uestion should be intersting...But what really caught my attention was the last parapraph in which it said commons new album is expected out in the next 6 months. Read for yourselves.:

Zack De La Rocha Recording With Roots' ?uestlove
01.25.2001 4:36 PM EST


Zack de la Rocha
Photo: Epic


Former Rage Against the Machine singer Zack de la Rocha, who left the activist rock quartet in October, recorded five songs for his solo debut last week in New York with Roots drummer ?uestlove.

The songs were recorded at Electric Lady Studios in Manhattan, although none of them will necessarily appear on de la Rocha's album, according to a source with the Roots' management. Epic Records hopes to release the album this year, a label spokesperson said.

The sessions featured ?uestlove both in the producer's chair and on drums, and included playing by bassist/guitarist Ben Kenny and keyboardist James Poyser, both of whom have worked with ?uestlove in the past.

De la Rocha is also hoping to work with innovative drum'n'bass producer Roni Size on the album, according to the Roots source. De la Rocha rapped on the fiery track "Centre of the Storm" from Size and his Reprazent crew's recent second album, In the Mode (see "Roni Size Collective Reprazent-ing For Everyone").

Former Company Flow frontman El-P has worked on tracks for de la Rocha's solo debut, too, though it isn't known if those cuts will be included on the album (see "Rage's De La Rocha Ready To Start On Solo LP").

?uestlove also is working on rapper Common's follow-up to his hit 2000 album, Like Water for Chocolate, for which he will again be executive producer in addition to producing several cuts. Slum Village's Jay Dee will also be behind the boards for the album, which is expected out in the next six months, according to the Roots spokesperson.

—Eric Demby

Are of any of the songs going to be on the solo album?

That was so weird, anyway yeah i figured Com's album would be coming out pretty quick given a few of the posts label guy has made.

Is there going to be anytime to work on the the new ROOTS album??

Still it sounds bangin' as always.

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

-Joe

Giving You True Lesson Moderation Since'03
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at the rate ?uest is going, i have a feeling, like other people have said in the past, we're not going to see a new roots joint this year. And, actually, i hope we don't. I don't want a half-assed album, with cuts that were made in ?uest's "free time" between other projects. lol. Just look at the long list ?uest is working on:
-new roots
- new d'angelo
- new common
- black thought (even though he's not doing the whole thing, he's still involved)
- zach de la rocha
- new jazzies
-scratch?

whatever. at least there will be a lot of good music coming. THE ANTICIPATION THOUGH!!! "EEEEEERRRRRR!!!!!" (c) tony soprano
peace
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does everyone realize that if a new Roots album drops at the end of this year that it will have been around 2.5 years since TFA dropped!! everyone acts like they are rushing things, 2.5 years ain't rushing to me. also, ?uest was always doing other shit while he worked on the Roots albums so what makes this album any different. you know that the new album is going to be certified dope!! stop doubting!

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you forgot about Bilal's project too

WOn't Zack De La Rocha be a good Okayplayer

don't forget the jazz joint ?uest is working on, the Philadelphia Experiment. Check SonicNet for the article.

Y'all should know about the press by now.......
Fall 2001 at the earliest for Com......that's my opinion.
Com is currently in the studio with ?uest & James as I type though. I heard Jay Dee hit Com with a banger also.
Thought was in the studio in LA w/Rockwilder last Tues. Thought took a beat home to write to.
Black Thought released 1st (2001), then the next Roots LP (early 2002).
That is all I know right now.

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

As far as Common goes, let No I.D. back in on this one....and somebody call Pete Rock because "the bitch in yoo" is a common classic.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
Check out my hip-hop brethren In Shallah
(Arabic for "God's will"); b-boy
conscious soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Imagine if Aceyalone was the
frontman for The Doors and you have
Miscellaneous Flux. Their four song
debut EP is on sale now. Want to hear an
MP3 to taste a sample? E-mail
alanpage@starpower.net

(I said Ghostface before, but I think
Aceyalone is a better comparison...maybe
the delivery of Ghost and the lyrics of
Acey...ah, hell, just listen)

"the world may seem to cause you pain.
and yet the world, as causeless, has no
power to cause. as an effect, it cannot
make effects. as an illusion, it is what
you wish" denis johnson, "already dead"

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

I hope there will be harder tracks on the next LP than on LWFC, it got too laid back at some points for me...we need straight head knockin bangers.

..WILL..

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Kay Dee - Buckwild
Nickelz45 - Diamond D
Raina - Jazzy Joyce
Phil - The Rza
Donwill - Automator
honorable mention:
fire - fire

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i'm back...?

-sample free album.
i mean if y'all wanna pay for it. by all means will and spirit, hit me with a check for $300,000 and you can have all the george benson loops, and spirit loops, passport samples.

-if LWFC was an "afican" record. then ROTW..JRTB is a water album. closer to that of air, stereolab, and "kid a",

full of experiments, time changes, weirdo shit, and freedom.

if you want "i used to love h.e.r." then listen to that album com made 7 year old release called ressurection.

no i.d. is not (according to com, who i told "reach out") is not doing hip hop releated shit. his shit is more on the rnb side of things. so even if no id did contribute, he would submitt stuff that sounded like "funky for you".

what y'all think i'm lying? like "why don't they make a "one day" again!

again, slide me an extra $300 g's and that should cover the cost. i will make sure this is the first common album in which he dosn't get sued for not affording sample csots.

brace yourself. cause if you hoping for him to take a step back. you will be very mad you wasted $14.99





2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

we've had this discussion before under my old log in name killah (but for some reason my password just doesn't seem to work anymore...) but back to basics. I understand Com doesn't want to get sued and that $300,000 (I'm assuming this is how much it costs to clear samples) is a lot but damn NO SAMPELS? It just seems to me, the way you make things sound is that NO hip hop album can be made because of the sample police. I'm sure Thoguht's album has some samples. The new Jay Dee (Welcome and his MCA joint) will have samples. Reflection has samples. Gangstarr uses samples. And since you say is the best producer EVER because of the way he can manipulate samples than what's the problem? I'm sure the new Blackstarr will have samples. Outkast uses samples, but to hear you say it, it's impossible to make a hip hop samples in 2001, and I trust what you're saying but than why is EVERYONE STILL MAKING HIP HOP ALBUMS WITH SAMPLES? And banging ones at that? So Jay is gonna produce on this but use NO samples? Sounds like a blah album to me...

jay is way ahead of the track. he is after prince's title. most of his shit is live instruments. 9 times out of 10 most sampled shit is on indy shit. you think blackalicius is gonna make a nia on mca? matter of fact. (and lord knows what price jurassic 5 paid to get them samples on quality control) name a major label album that has been made in the vein of a "mecca and the soul brother" or "nation of millions"

there is none.

you thought de la just wanted to experiment with some rnb keyboards cause they 30? or that diamond d is jacking off in the basement? or pete is just waiting to strike back?

anti sampling laws is killing hip hop folks. you can say what you want. i live it everyday. anything that makes it past clearence was snuck. plain and simple. snuck like drugs at customs. sure a "light" will get through, cause it's just one loop. y'all think we paid for them detroit emrald drums? that is the backbeat? i already went through this.

for those who speak out against live instruments in hip hop is plain ignorant to me. that spits in the face of the work that i've put in for the last decade. not to mention that must mean that dre's work is underestimated and unappreciated (you think dre is using samples? nope)not to metion discounting the history of hip hop for it's first 8 years on wax. sugarhill? instruments. africa bambatta? instruments. "the show"? live instruments. "children's story" "mona lisa" instruments. whodini, instruments. i could go on, but the first 8 years and the last 5 years have been instrument heavy. check every rap song on 106th and park! for god sakes even "the blast" is instruments. and jay has been using live shit. damn y'all.....when y'all gonna learn?

more than that. i wanna clear something. com is not a person who's easily led. all decisions are made by him. his ideas are executed. not me and jay feeding him fantasies.







2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

>jay is way ahead of the
>track. he is after prince's
>title. most of his shit
>is live instruments. 9 times
>out of 10 most sampled
>shit is on indy shit.
>you think blackalicius is gonna
>make a nia on mca?
>matter of fact. (and lord
>knows what price jurassic 5
>paid to get them samples
>on quality control) name a
>major label album that has
>been made in the vein
>of a "mecca and the
>soul brother" or "nation of
>millions"
>
The thing it dont get with this line of thinking is "moment of truth" is still loop based.above the clouds-loop/ it's a setup-loop /what im here 4- yhu flip/ militia-dark shadows ish/ now if primo can loop and getaway with it(unless he's clearing ish on the dl) how is the art of sampling in hip hop dying? The problem I see is cats dont wanna dig deeper, sure the blue note days are
over,the old staples are gone(even though jay still flipping "space" and "nt") well if that's the case dig deeper. Who still wants to use billie joe drums in 2001? What i think alot of producers need to do is look up these older cats and explain to them what hip hop is, all these older cats know about hip hop is what they see on BET and MTV and mainstream news. It seems to me if i was herbie hancock and i heard what jaydee did with "come running' I would be honored and impressed how he flipped that.If hip hop begins to think of itself as a art form people might begin to treat it like one, instead most mc's wanna play thugs instead of what they are musicians.

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

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>The thing it dont get with
>this line of thinking is
>"moment of truth" is still
>loop based.above the clouds-loop/ it's
>a setup-loop /what im here
>4- yhu flip/ militia-dark shadows
>ish/ now if primo can
>loop and getaway with it(unless
>he's clearing ish on the
>dl) how is the art
>of sampling in hip hop
>dying?

all of those songs above sound choppy, especially "it's a setup". what are the originals?

Happy 50th D’Angelo: https://chrisp.bandcamp.com/track/d-50

>The thing it dont get with
>this line of thinking is
>"moment of truth" is still
>loop based.

"moment of truth" is STABBED based. big difference.

primo loops.

-come clean
-da bitches
-dwyck
-b.y.s.
-jfk/lax


primo stabs

-the millitia
-you know my steeze
-brownsville
-work
-the 6th sense


prim's gift is taking 1 second samples (well about 10 of em) and making a song. but the problem there lies in a few cats feeling that prim has been doing repetitive work as of late. still great work.

problem is sampling is now limited. you have to do fine chopping, and pray your lawyers don't call. i don't think "steeze" is cleared. i don't think john dalkinworth is cleared ("above the clouds") and not much on that album.
-





above the clouds-loop/ it's
>a setup-loop /what im here
>4- yhu flip/ militia-dark shadows
>ish/ now if primo can
>loop and getaway with it(unless
>he's clearing ish on the
>dl) how is the art
>of sampling in hip hop
>dying? The problem I see
>is cats dont wanna dig
>deeper, sure the blue note
>days are
>over,the old staples are gone(even though
>jay still flipping "space" and
>"nt") well if that's the
>case dig deeper. Who still
>wants to use billie joe
>drums in 2001?

lauryn hill , and de la (lolol!!!)


What i
>think alot of producers need
>to do is look up
>these older cats and explain
>to them what hip hop
>is, all these older cats
>know about hip hop is
>what they see on BET
>and MTV and mainstream news.
>It seems to me if
>i was herbie hancock and
>i heard what jaydee did
>with "come running' I would
>be honored and impressed how
>he flipped that.


he was so impressed he took lil credit cause he said "what part did he take?"


If hip hop
>begins to think of itself
>as a art form people
>might begin to treat it
>like one, instead most mc's
>wanna play thugs instead of
>what they are musicians.


2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

>you think blackalicius is gonna
>make a nia on mca?

Man, I really really hope so! I'm anticipating their next album as much if not more than the next Root's lp and Thoughts solo. I cant imagine Xcel not coming with dopeness like he's done so up to now.

>-sample free album.
>i mean if y'all wanna pay
>for it. by all means
>will and spirit, hit me
>with a check for $300,000
>and you can have all
>the george benson loops, and
>spirit loops, passport samples.
>
>
>what y'all think i'm lying? like
>"why don't they make a
>"one day" again!
>
>again, slide me an extra $300
>g's and that should cover
>the cost. i will make
>sure this is the first
>common album in which he
>dosn't get sued for not
>affording sample csots.

HE can be one of those contractual type suits. Spirit could singlehandedly rid the hip hop world of the sampling problem. I know I don't like arguing with him.


Mah top MCs (in no particular order). "We dare you to disagree"

Ras Eminem Common Mos Talib Jay-Z
L Boogie Andre Nas Last Emperor

"Big Boi freestyles, I don't, because I think too much. But I'll write one verse that'll crush your whole album." --Andre Benjamin

Yeah, I'm in law school (anmd finished in a little over three months), but I don't think it's likely I'll be able to single-handedly change copyright law. I'll sure try to lobby for it though, rest assured. I think that the fair use provision could be expanded to protect some forms of sampling (which radically change the sound of the composition)...the thing is, no one is really lobbying Congress to change the sampling laws. If you're interested in doing so, hit me on the e-mail.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/general1/9519.html#1 - funny shit....I like this guy...

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
Check out my hip-hop brethren In Shallah
(Arabic for "God's will"); b-boy
conscious soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Imagine if Aceyalone was the
frontman for The Doors and you have
Miscellaneous Flux. Their four song
debut EP is on sale now. Want to hear an
MP3 to taste a sample? E-mail
alanpage@starpower.net

(I said Ghostface before, but I think
Aceyalone is a better comparison...maybe
the delivery of Ghost and the lyrics of
Acey...ah, hell, just listen)

"the world may seem to cause you pain.
and yet the world, as causeless, has no
power to cause. as an effect, it cannot
make effects. as an illusion, it is what
you wish" denis johnson, "already dead"

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

okay, no Pete Rock or No I.D. I can't say I'm happy, but at least Pete is (allegedly) working on the Black Thought solo.

My question is this: why doesn't Common get tracks like "Adrenaline" or "Clones" out of you? Is it because he turns them down?

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/general1/9519.html#1 - funny shit....I like this guy...

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
Check out my hip-hop brethren In Shallah
(Arabic for "God's will"); b-boy
conscious soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Imagine if Aceyalone was the
frontman for The Doors and you have
Miscellaneous Flux. Their four song
debut EP is on sale now. Want to hear an
MP3 to taste a sample? E-mail
alanpage@starpower.net

(I said Ghostface before, but I think
Aceyalone is a better comparison...maybe
the delivery of Ghost and the lyrics of
Acey...ah, hell, just listen)

"the world may seem to cause you pain.
and yet the world, as causeless, has no
power to cause. as an effect, it cannot
make effects. as an illusion, it is what
you wish" denis johnson, "already dead"

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>My question is this: why doesn't
>Common get tracks like "Adrenaline"
>or "Clones" out of you?
>Is it because he turns
>them down?
>


Cause the Roots are the Roots and Common is Common.

------------------------------

-----------------------------

>Cause the Roots are the Roots
>and Common is Common.

*yawn*

Save that.

I thought the music for "U.N.I.verse at War" and "Love of My Life" (both Roots songs featuring Common) was better than the majority of the tracks on LWFC. So, it's not like Com can't sound like Com over Roots tracks, that's a non-issue.

It's not like I'm asking Common to be more like Thought...what I'm asking for is for tracks of The Roots caliber to be given to Com...some of you may think the LWFC production exceeds Roots production, but I don't. Beat-wise, I think TFA kills LWFC.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://www.mp3.com/miscellaneousflux - click for instant audio gratification

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
- b-boy soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

>some
>of you may think the
>LWFC production exceeds Roots production,
>but I don't. Beat-wise, I
>think TFA kills LWFC.

I know when LFWC came out a lot of Roots comparisons were thrown around but my question was always why? The albums are so different there almost opposittes.

If artists just made albums a certain way because their fans told them to, they wouldn't be very good artists. If Ice Cube listened to his fans he probably never would have made AmeriKKKa's Most Wanted (How many N.W.A. heads wanted to see the group's most talented member leave and go to New York?). If Common wants to make sample free albums just let him be. I think a lot of the "critics" here lose credibility when they call an album they haven't heard yet wack. I hope you would rather have an artist grow and change then just remake his second album over and over again. That would put Common on the same level as Bone Thugs N Harmony.

You can criticize backpackers all you want but when I hear things like "This album that I haven't heard yet is wack cuz it has no samples" you sound even shallower.

-Ryan

"Police don't sweep to get the dust out
They want your name in the system,
I need to mention the death penalty is
legal lynchin
People listen, they got teenagers up in
the line up
To fill the new facility they built,
they need the crime up
Please, the war on drugs is really war
on the youth
War on the people
War on the truth
The violent crimes rise,
the silent dies as sirens cry through
the night
People fight for what's left and not
what's right"

-Talib Kweli

Peace,
Ryan

he wants to go in.



2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

There you have it kiddies ... y'all need to sit up an take notice cuz THIS IS THE DIRECTION COM WANTS TO GO!

To me, it sounds dope! I'm all about the experimental shit ... changing shit up. We got TOO much same ol- same ol hip-hop around. Like the man said, go an listen to his old shit if that's what you want to be nostalgic about. I personally could use some more "watery" experimental music around. I'm trying (really hard)to not get tired of hip-hop right now, and am looking to these cats to be on some pioneer shit (my own projected expectations). You think Prince would be where he is today if he stayed to his original formula (ok, bad question, since I know half of y'all are waiting for a return to his glory days ... but I've always been a fan of the more experimental stuff of his as well)? Mofos need to branch out ... take some chances and grow.

Y'all need to be glad that Common's not stuck in a rut ... or some one hit wonder. He's stuck around precisely because of his ability to take some chances. Let the man get way "out there" ... let him pull some sun ra shit ... let him do some freaky Dr. John the Nighttripper meets Yemaya shit ... just LET THE MAN WORK!

love and respect,
El Rey

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really

I'm feelin' you, dawg. Common's new album should be way out there on some "far out" shit. I am definitely looking for his next joint in 2002. However, I'm still stuck on "Like Water for Chocolate"! I'll probably be rockin' that joint well into next year. His next album should be very interesting.

"I have the scars to prove the clock strikes with her hands." — Saul Williams

"I don't see why people are so scared of music, it ain't gonna bite you." — bnicedh

>-sample free album.

U.S. Supreme Court Won't Hear Bolton Appeal

Los Angeles federal jury found in 1994 that blue-eyed soul singer copied five musical elements from Isley Brothers' 'Love Is a Wonderful Thing.'
Eric Schumacher-Rasmussen reports:

The U.S. Supreme Court on Monday refused to hear Michael Bolton's appeal of a $5.4 million decision against him for copying parts of the Isley Brothers' "Love Is a Wonderful Thing" for his 1991 song of the same name (RealAudio excerpt).


A Los Angeles federal jury found in 1994 that Bolton copied five musical elements from the Isleys' 1966 song. The jury ordered Sony Music to pay $4.2 million, Bolton to pay $932,924, co-writer Andrew Goldmark to pay $220,785 and their publishers to pay $75,900, according to Reuters.





The Supreme Court rejected Bolton's appeal without comment or dissent. In the original trial, Bolton said he had never heard the Isley Brothers song.


Alan Dershowitz, Bolton's lawyer, called on the Supreme Court to create a single standard in copyright cases "so that creators are aware of the rules and the federal courts can enforce them," according to the news service.


Spokespersons for Bolton and the Isley Brothers could not be reached for comment.

________________________
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is a water album.

"I am an alien from the other world, from outer space, I don't have no land, no estate, no property, no house. Not on this earth. I live in space - I'm only a visitor here. Some people are only here to collect property. I am here with my suitcase to collect only the good brains."-Lee Scratch Perry

NO RULES, RULES.

>I hope there will be harder
>tracks on the next LP
>than on LWFC, it got
>too laid back at some
>points for me...we need straight
>head knockin bangers.

Man IllWill, i don't know what you're talkin' about. "Harder", "Straight head knockin bangers"? In a Common album? Common is known for his smooth delivery and thought provoking lyrics. Why don't you pick up the new Nelly or Jay-Z, you may find them more enjoyable.

I'm out,
Iso AKA ZigZag

**************Quotes fo yo Mind*****************

Women be lovin' my music, it's like some sex shit....nigga's tryna grip on my mic like it's a dick... - Baatin (i think) Slum Village

...Used to breakdance, it's a shame, what money do to a nigga brain...If he lose his soul, what can a nigga gain? - Common

Hate me if you wanna, we gon' speak on it...We gon' tell the world why hip-hop is haunted...Money is a drug and MC's is on it...We gon' take it back to the days of Mantronix - Wil.i.am (Black Eyed Peas)

...Old Skool like Aztecs, but new in other aspects... MC Paul Barman

Since when?

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common should work with Rockwilder too! switch up the formula! i hope it doesn't sound like LWFC Pt 2.... I love when artist are diverse with their music. IT A BEAUTIFUL THING!!

FAVORITE VERSE OF THE MONT

nigga, stop being so got damn selfish..put in ya pelvis@ Andre 3000

, but we hold on to each other, knowing that one day God will allow us to be together for good.-LoveJones






BULLSHIT RELATIONSHIPS}>

Bullshit-seen it, smelled it, look at it, abused by it, sent money on it.
See, me and bullshit have a love/hate relationship,we fuck around with other from time to time. But, when Bullshit gets on my nerves, I tell it to get the fuck on. But, I love Bullshit so we cool for right now

www.myspace.com/darkaqua_30

>common should work with Rockwilder too!
>switch up the formula! i
>hope it doesn't sound like
>LWFC Pt 2.... I love
>when artist are diverse with
>their music. IT A BEAUTIFUL
>THING!!

call me paranoid, but if you love "diverse" music. then does that mean that you were dissapointed with com's first 3 albums? because they are all in the same vein to me. (as hip hop records go)

for com to be "diverse" from what he is known for....you think the answer lies in rockwilder?

i think diverse i think "journey through the secret life of plants", or "graceland", or "stankonia" or "voodoo". a change from what was.

i mean sure com has never worked with rock before. but if he were to do that then i believe the same cats who pray i don't touch this record (and "ruin it" i will! bwhahahahahaha!) would then accuse com of trying to go commercial. or sound like red and meth. or bus. or janet.

again. (i'm sure this isn't the last time i write about this either) if you are saying you hope this is not a LWFC pt2. then you either mean that you hope it is "hardcore!" or just a regular hip hop album that is more in the vein of hip hop.

i gurantee you that it is not LWFC PT 2. but i ain't guranteein' that this is what you are hopin for either. com has hopes and dreams and visions too. and you have to respect his decision wherever he decides to do. is it that in hip hop, only one group is allowed to stectch and expand?

these "hopes and wishes" sound errily (sic) similar to that of miles' critics when he released his always classic "on the coner". cats wanted "kind of blue" (part deuxe) (here it is "ressurection/oneday" part two), they complained he's turning his back on traditional jazz (same here), miles didn't give a fuck, and kept on.

guess what com says?









2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

>then you either mean that you
>hope it is "hardcore!" or just
>a regular hip hop album that
>is more in the vein of hip hop.

yes, more albums in the vein of hip hop please.
hip hop is good

---Real Sheba Quotes---

MYRIAM NSALU VITA LUYEYE
Feb. 8, 1959-Jan. 14, 2001
"Can't wait to see you again, Mommy..."

AIM: AFROdite529@AOL.COM

throwback.

>>common should work with Rockwilder too!
>>switch up the formula! i
>>hope it doesn't sound like
>>LWFC Pt 2.... I love
>>when artist are diverse with
>>their music. IT A BEAUTIFUL
>>THING!!
>
>call me paranoid, but if you
>love "diverse" music. then does
>that mean that you were
>dissapointed with com's first 3
>albums? because they are all
>in the same vein to
>me. (as hip hop records
>go)

1. naw, never said that, and definitely didn't mean that
>
>for com to be "diverse" from
>what he is known for....you
>think the answer lies in
>rockwilder?

2. naw, didn't type that, and definitely didn't mean that either what's wrong with working with a COLLABORATION of different producers?
>
>i think diverse i think "journey
>through the secret life of
>plants", or "graceland", or "stankonia"
>or "voodoo". a change from
>what was.

3. i meant that, you took it and ran to the left with it. don't know why. WHY
>
>i mean sure com has never
>worked with rock before. but
>if he were to do
>that then i believe the
>same cats who pray i
>don't touch this record (and
>"ruin it" i will! bwhahahahahaha!)
>would then accuse com of
>trying to go commercial. or
>sound like red and meth.
>or bus. or janet.

4. never said you shouldn't work on record. i think you are very talented and good at what you do. so why did run to the left with that one? WHY

>again. (i'm sure this isn't the
>last time i write about
>this either) if you are
>saying you hope this is
>not a LWFC pt2. then
>you either mean that you
>hope it is "hardcore!" or
>just a regular hip hop
>album that is more in
>the vein of hip hop.

5. naw didn't mean that either are the records you mentioned before as "diverse" hard core? i ask again....WHY
>
>
>i gurantee you that it is
>not LWFC PT 2. but
>i ain't guranteein' that this
>is what you are hopin
>for either. com has hopes
>and dreams and visions too.
>and you have to respect
>his decision wherever he decides
>to do. is it that
>in hip hop, only one
>group is allowed to stectch
>and expand?
>

6. thank you for the gurantee.

>these "hopes and wishes" sound errily
>(sic) similar to that of
>miles' critics when he released
>his always classic "on the
>coner". cats wanted "kind of
>blue" (part deuxe) (here it
>is "ressurection/oneday" part two), they
>complained he's turning his back
>on traditional jazz (same here),
>miles didn't give a fuck,
>and kept on.

good for miles. i'm not "hatin"

>
>guess what com says?
>
>

what did he say? come on....tell me


>
>
>
>
>
>
>2001 is scarlet player year. here
>is my ish list.........
>
>emmc (and all of his surnames)-
>those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
>
>kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of
>losing his wife to black
>thought.


FAVORITE VERSE OF THE MONT

nigga, stop being so got damn selfish..put in ya pelvis@ Andre 3000

, but we hold on to each other, knowing that one day God will allow us to be together for good.-LoveJones






BULLSHIT RELATIONSHIPS}>

Bullshit-seen it, smelled it, look at it, abused by it, sent money on it.
See, me and bullshit have a love/hate relationship,we fuck around with other from time to time. But, when Bullshit gets on my nerves, I tell it to get the fuck on. But, I love Bullshit so we cool for right now

www.myspace.com/darkaqua_30

:7FAVORITE VERSE OF THE MONT

nigga, stop being so got damn selfish..put in ya pelvis@ Andre 3000

, but we hold on to each other, knowing that one day God will allow us to be together for good.-LoveJones






BULLSHIT RELATIONSHIPS}>

Bullshit-seen it, smelled it, look at it, abused by it, sent money on it.
See, me and bullshit have a love/hate relationship,we fuck around with other from time to time. But, when Bullshit gets on my nerves, I tell it to get the fuck on. But, I love Bullshit so we cool for right now

www.myspace.com/darkaqua_30

>miles didn't give a fuck,
>and kept on.
>
>guess what com says?

Good to hear

-Ryan

"Police don't sweep to get the dust out
They want your name in the system,
I need to mention the death penalty is
legal lynchin
People listen, they got teenagers up in
the line up
To fill the new facility they built,
they need the crime up
Please, the war on drugs is really war
on the youth
War on the people
War on the truth
The violent crimes rise,
the silent dies as sirens cry through
the night
People fight for what's left and not
what's right"

-Talib Kweli

Peace,
Ryan

>call me paranoid, but if you
>love "diverse" music. then does
>that mean that you were
>dissapointed with com's first 3
>albums? because they are all
>in the same vein to
>me. (as hip hop records
>go)

that has to be the dumbest thing i have ever read on this message board. i mean really. wtf. that was so stupid it made my brain flood with noises.

>for com to be "diverse" from
>what he is known for....you
>think the answer lies in
>rockwilder?

LWFC sounded like one long song, kinda like Raekwon's last lp.


opus.... the okayheckler

the masterminds
http://www.themasterminds.net
we got joints!

the amphibians
http://www.theamphibians.com
check spirit for reasons to visit the site.

the first three common albums were nothing alike. now the first three roots lp are a different issue. (i love you ?uest! don't delete me.)

opus.... the okayheckler

the masterminds
http://www.themasterminds.net
we got joints!

the amphibians
http://www.theamphibians.com
check spirit for reasons to visit the site.

"back to back lps that sound the same..." (c) common himself LOL

um, maybe I'm not familiar enough with all of Poyser and Quest's work, but have they freaked shit in the rock arena before? rage was an ill band and i would kind of like to see zach stick with that sound...i guess he didn't though, since he left. *shrug*

i am really anxious to see what el-p and zach cook up, particularly after hearing co flow's "simple" (ill ass guitar break in that song...you know, the one where the hook is "the pain game" screamed ad infinitum).

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

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Check out my hip-hop brethren In Shallah
(Arabic for "God's will"); b-boy
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uprock to...

Imagine if Aceyalone was the
frontman for The Doors and you have
Miscellaneous Flux. Their four song
debut EP is on sale now. Want to hear an
MP3 to taste a sample? E-mail
alanpage@starpower.net

(I said Ghostface before, but I think
Aceyalone is a better comparison...maybe
the delivery of Ghost and the lyrics of
Acey...ah, hell, just listen)

"the world may seem to cause you pain.
and yet the world, as causeless, has no
power to cause. as an effect, it cannot
make effects. as an illusion, it is what
you wish" denis johnson, "already dead"

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

zack is ill behind dope beats his delivery is ill.....
your going to be dissapointed zacks goin total left field

Pootie Tang 3000
sadatay!-fire

"Take!It is handed to me..."-Tiger/pimp
"...so he can get the knowledge and be ready for the mothership when it comes."-fire

"...i've seen harder rappers on butterfingers!"-Breeze Evaflowin

Yall share dat- Badu
N E E KeeP Makin music

From this point, I vow to

who said anything about rock?
who said anything about hip hop?

am i really that confined to one space around here?

is tom handle hayes the only person who's heard my work in

-jazz
-rock
-soul
-afrobeat
-fusion
-disco
-drum and bass?

i do more than just drum four bars in a band y'all. not expecting y'all to buy ever import, and cameo....but daaaag.

"give the man behind the (sticks) some credit"
-mc shan






2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

Import??

What import?

1Love,
B to the P

"Cooler than Freddie Jackson sippin' a milkshake in a snowstorm!" (damn that's cool)

In the Deck:

J88- Best Kept Secret
Joni Mitchell- Heijra
Xzibit- Restless
David Bowie- Ziggy Stardust...
Aimee Mann- I'm With Stupid
The Alkoholiks- 21 and Over
Rahsaan Patterson- Rahsaan Patterson
Pastor Troy and the Congregation- Book 1
Johnny Guitar Watson- Ain't That A Bitch
Led Zepplin- Houses of the Holy
Deftones- White Pony
Prince- Prince
Guru- Jazzmattazz Vol. 1

Okay.

Here's an idea.

Could Okayplayer and MCA do some kind of joint promotion of your import catalog, so we can catch some of these rarities in the Okaystore? Because honestly, no, I don't have any of your rock imports and I had no idea that you did any rock work. If you get a chance, a discography would be a great addition to the site and would help fans track down all your work (not that you have much spare time, but if/when you do).

What about Mr. Poyser?

I'll buy it regardless off the strength of how much I dig Zach's work with Rage, but I am curious about how all this will come together...I'm sure you're tired of people doubting you, but be honest with me here...if you heard that Will.I.Am (from Black Eyed Peas) was producing on the next Marilyn Manson album, you wouldn't be the least bit curious how that would pan out? Just a cross-genre example to illustrate my point...

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://www.okayplayer.com/dcforum/general1/9519.html#1 - funny shit....I like this guy...

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
Check out my hip-hop brethren In Shallah
(Arabic for "God's will"); b-boy
conscious soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Imagine if Aceyalone was the
frontman for The Doors and you have
Miscellaneous Flux. Their four song
debut EP is on sale now. Want to hear an
MP3 to taste a sample? E-mail
alanpage@starpower.net

(I said Ghostface before, but I think
Aceyalone is a better comparison...maybe
the delivery of Ghost and the lyrics of
Acey...ah, hell, just listen)

"the world may seem to cause you pain.
and yet the world, as causeless, has no
power to cause. as an effect, it cannot
make effects. as an illusion, it is what
you wish" denis johnson, "already dead"

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

Angieee?

love and respect,
El Rey

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http://www.mumia.org

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who are you









really

I think some of y'all are missing the point. I don't think ?uest is saying you need to know everything I've done, ride my nuts, and study me. But he is just making his point valid that there are various types of music he has done, and is not trapped into making "joints for the underground heads". Some of the stuff he is talking about is few years old, hard to find, put out while the ROOTS were signed to Geffen, and damn expensive. I'm not saying the OK store couldn't handle it, but realistically it would be quite a task.

Last but not least, I find it odd how we are now asking our favorite artists to make what we want to hear. Doesn't that just seem to cheapen the thrill of hearing thier new shit. I mean I know we all imagine our favs on some shit we know would be ill. But I mean what made them our favorites was the fact that they came with some new creative and innovative shit. I would hope we want the people who's music we care about would keep innovating and going deeper into thier soul creativly. It sounds like we're second guessing the creativity and artistic expression of those that brought us our favorite shit because we don't know what exactly is coming next.






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From this point, I vow to

Damn, yall arguing over the beats that Common uses. Let the man do what he wants, cuz LWFC was a banger anyways. But, Quest, please tell me that Premier is gonna do another track with Common, cuz Sixth Sense was single of the year for 2000. That shit will never get old, the production and the verses for that shit are so ill. Also, early 2002 is stretching the shit again. I think the roots album should come out before Common, since Common released an album in 2000 and TFA came out in 1998.

has anybody heard this stuff-and if so can someone just tell me what it sounds like????

seriously...

i don't usually post here, but-er-um.........

i just gotta say that i have ALL of Common's albums (i'm kickin' thirty right in the ass! i was THERE when them shits came out!) and ummm........well.........LWFC is my FAVORITE okay? it makes "One Day" look like a work in progress mayne!

there, i said it........and that shit ROCKS! there's just so much flavor and character in his voice, in the music..........i'm always dancin' head noddin' bee boppin to it, so why ya'll act like he/they made an album full of chamber music?

maybe it's cuz i'm older (27).......but i smell a generation gap at work.......

okay, i'm leaving now...........bye.

LWFC is my fave too.. even though i love all of them... even the first one where his voice squeaked... ah the days of puberty... but yeah LWFC blew me away.. it's one of the best put together albums i've ever heard and as long as you have an open mind musically you cant help but see that its bangin'. A lot of "Dope" shit is stagnant these days.. so why is Comm getting crucified for dropping an album that was so sorely needed?

Just my 2 cents

peace,
Cog


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Quotes------

“these cats drink champagne to toast death and pain/ like slaves on a ship talkin 'bout who got the flyest chain” ...Talib kweli

“C Delores run... run run run Delores/ C
Delores look pitiful... pitiful pitiful pitiful Delores/ C Delores testify... Tupac did it Tupac did it Tupac did it/ C Republicans give her the Clarence Thomas Award... take it take it take it/ C Delores see Tupac's death... wash your hands wash your hands wash your hands/ C Delores smile... never again never again never again/ C Delores Tucker... f*ck her f*ck her f*ck her ...Nikki Giovanni

“for u to grow he had to go so what u stoppin' him for/ not even i can ignore being alone... it's hard/ find heaven in yourself and God” ...Common

“God works in mysterious ways so when he start/ the job of speakin thru us we be so sincere with this here/ no drugs or alcohol so i can get the signal clear/ as day.. put my glock away/ i got a stronger weapon that never runs out of ammunition so i'm ready for war.. okay” ...Andre (Kast)

“you said he reached sir/ but he didn't have no piece sir/ and now he rest in peace sir/ in the belly of the beast sir” ...Wyclef Jean

“no not nigga, thUNDERbiTCh, (yes i can say that, b/c thats wtf i am, and wtf ull be callin me after petty ppl read this response~)”
...the honerable Rudie
Virgo making a polite correction & layin the smack down

“african princess, tell me your intrests/ wait let me guess, boo u probably like poetry/ well here’s a lil’ something that i jotted down in case i spotted you around/ so let me take this opportunity/ would u share a moment with me over herbal tea?” ...M1

“I don’t playa hate/ i just stay awake”
...Stic man

“Humble as a mumble in the jungle of shouts and screams, thats the way the cracker crumbles so i've got to reroute my dreams” ...Outkast

“don't everybody like the smell of gasoline? well burn mothafucka burn american dreams!” ...Andre 3000

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>maybe it's cuz i'm older (27).......but
>i smell a generation gap
>at work.......

That ain't it. I'll be 26 in March. "Resurrection" is still my favorite. Song-wise, LWFC is probably the best put-together (concepts, execution), but for raw energy and wordplay, "Resurrection" is uneffwittable.

Besides, most of the pro-Resurrection people were heavy in the scene when Resurrection dropped (94), so "it ain't no young boys up in here" (c) De La Soul.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

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- b-boy soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

If there is anyone capable of pushing the envelope completely and making some extremely different shit and making it work its Common. The crazier the better for me, but then again I liked LWFC better than One Day. At the same time though, I think LWFC coulda been pushed alot further, I hope the new jawn does that.
I'll be waiting, hopefully I wont have a fucking bachelors degree by the time it comes out.

Peace,
Steve
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MCA is expecting a strong, cohesive album from Common, 2 or 3 singles which can compete in todays marketplace, and ultimately to gain a profit from its release. Basically everything okp's want (maybe except the last item).....sounds like I've said this before.

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

And you will probably say it again...and again and again.

What MCA expects from Blackaliscious...

What MCA expects from Jaguar....

What MCA expects from the Roots...

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LG's Plaqueathoreum Theory
hip-hop act + no hit single = no plaque
hip-hop act + 1 hit single (w/o follow-up) = solid gold plaque
hip-hop act + 2 hit singles (consecutive) = pure platinum plaque
Of course there may be rare exceptions to this theory.
This theory may be valid across all main music genres on any label but I'm still researching.....
LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

How could I forget:
hip-hop act + Dr. Dre (with or w/o hit single) = pure platinum

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

>How could I forget:
>hip-hop act + Dr. Dre (with
>or w/o hit single) =
>pure platinum

but then again, Dre just rhymed and didn't do beats...

did the Aftermath comp go plat? That joint was trash.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

http://www.mp3.com/miscellaneousflux - click for instant audio gratification

http://mp3.washingtonpost.com/bands/in_shallah.shtml
- b-boy soul music for the world to
uprock to...

Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
http://wutangbook.com

My Plaqueathoreum Theory applies to the CURRENT state of Hip-Hop business......
Rule #1 - the game always changes...gotta stay current.
For example: Dr. Dre '97-'98 < Dr. Dre '00-'01

LG
Doing my job since 1991

LG
Mark 11:24
Isaiah 54:17

I have heard too many people diss Com for his beats on LWFC, he should let I.D produce a track or two, three, four...


~Dulce~

(0-0) *four eyes*

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Salutations to my people who can't get enough
Of me
Listen my rap and I'm sure to deliver
I come colder than ice, makin' other rappers shiver
Dulce is loose and on the prowl,
Cats hear my rap, confessin'
I'm guarenteed to stick around a while.
Brotha, when I am through with you,
you'll keep comin back,
bringin your best friends too
I'm sarcastic and full of funk,
Knockin other bitches off and puttin they
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Yo, so tell your chick ...she got to go!
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Chickens can't match my smooth flo
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Or your crew
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Makin sure you never even get close
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is this gonna be another Voodoo (how many times/years was that delayed? not that i'm complaining, it was worth the wait--hey, it took james joyce like twenty years to write ulysses)? i just don't want to see another star wars movie come out before the next roots album

i know ?est and the rest of the crew are prolific, so can i (we, rather) get an idea of how many songs are already completed for the album, or is everything a work-in-progress right now? hope to hear something sunday night when quest is on innercity...

dont get me wrong, LWFC was a dope album, and it was a change of sound for com(some good some bad). but to me, resurrection is still his best(my fav. hip-hop album of all time). maybe it's because im still wishing to re-live the days of 90-94 with the hard beats over the nice samples. plus, as artists are, com's style was more hungry back then....like he says for himself "this industry will make u lose intensity". i know com he's grown up since resurrection and he cant fuck with those immature topics of "gettin' wit bitches" and boozin; but it seems nowadays com has no anger with emcees anymore and he dont even wanna write battle shit like he used to(e.g. hungry, food for funk). his rhymes have elevated and matured and he most def hasnt fallen off lyrically, he just changed his concepts a bit, as life makes u do, so maybe i have to accept that change is constant and it's not good to go backwards in life, but.................
com did promise he was gonna get back with no i.d. and hopefully ynot and keep it chicago!! i just wanna know when he's bringing the trophys back home, like he said he was?? cuz, right now, it still looks like a brooklyn thing for com....but i didnt hear any hard beats with some ill dusty vinyl samples, like NO ID CAN PROVIDE......
1994-BEST YEAR IN HIP-HOP:
common came out with the classic
organized konfusion
roots
smif n wessun
jeru
del
digable planets
meth
gang starr
ALL THE RAW SHIT!!!!

-read all my responses.

understand.

accept.

or let's start a fund for spirit to save hip hop from sampling hell.






2001 is scarlet player year. here is my ish list.........

emmc (and all of his surnames)- those dickhead ass "steve" posts.
kaleel- insecure ass motherfucker, scurred of losing his wife to black thought.

check the resume

organix-93
(from the ground up)-94
do you want more?!!???!-95
illadelph halflife-96
things fall apart-99
(the legendary)-99
the roots come alive-99
phrenology-2002
the tipping point-2004
(the roots present...) 2004
homegrown: the beginne

quest, why dont u explain to me, cuz i didnt read your other posts

ok, i read ur cocky, know-it-all responses
then hi-tek should step in and do his thing!

if songs like "for women" and "the blast" sound sample heavy to yall then i want a copy of what the hell you're listening to.

THE JAWN BEAT OF THE MONTH
http://www.thejawn.com/music/botm0101.ram
Produced by Brainchild, you suckers.

cherry removal*/shawntae @ 2:30/searching (the rubber)/scissors/mighty interlude*/effaho*/my rhyme is better/.../ecstasy/the boom bip/ecstasy (cont'd)/clear the way/just call me/the words theme (in w sharp)
* = rapstation due to sample problems

The Words - Audible Silence
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1st off, I really dont understand how "Wake Up, Everybody" was cleared for "the 6th Sense"

2nd, you cats need to start reading post and quit asking the same damn questions. If the next Common LP will be sample-free then so be it. If Pete Rock/Dj Premier/No ID wont make any tracks for the record, then so be it (although that does hurt a little).

I think ?uest, James Poyser, and JayDee have enough tricks up thier sleeves and production credits to thier merit to pull this one off without destroying Commons career.

see Voodoo.

I will concede that "Resurrection" was hip-hop's best work to date because its one of 3 recordings thats musically and lyrically tight from start to end.....but I already have 2 copies of it (CD/Cassette/cant find vinyl), and I really dont want another copy.

As long as its a tight record, Ill buy it.

Otherwise Ill be joining the A?C (Anti-?uest Coalition).
Well, until the Roots/D'Angelo release another one.

I'D LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT WHAT ?UEST & THE ROOTS HAVE DONE HAS BEEN SUBSTANCIALLY CLASSICAL.

"DO YOU WANT MORE" WAS A BREAKTHROUGH FOR ME/HIP HOP (SORRY, I DIDN'T GET A HOLD OF ORGANIX TILL LATER.) ALOT OF HESITANT SUPPORT WITHIN SALES/ NEW AND CONSIDERED ALTERNATIVE/???
NO.. NO...
CONSIDERED CLASSICAL FOR THE LIVE INSTRUMENTATION/CONSIDERED CLASSICAL TO THE FACT THAT THESE GENTLEMEN RIGHT HERE ARE THE
FOUNDATION FOR THE MOVEMENT... IF COMMON'S NEXT PIECE TAKES EVEN 2-4 YEARS TO FIND THE RIGHT POTENCY... SO BE IT...
VOODOO WAS SO ON POINT... LWFC WAS AN OVERALL GREAT ALBUM..
I FEEL JAY'S POSITION IN THIS IS ON TIME...
FORGET MY HYPE...KEEP MAKIN THAT TYPE OF MUSIC THAT MAKES MY HEART MELT EVERYTIME I'M PUSHIN PLAY...

KEEP IT ON BABY!!! MUCH LOVE TO THE UMMAH & THE SOULQUARIANS..

I SUPPORT YOU & RESP. YOU.....

I know part of the "Name that sample" game was to be a statement about the current state of sampling, but is there a solution for today's sampling woes.

Like what would it take? Would every record label have to flex its muscles? Would every artist need to make it their top priority?

Is it just a question of promotion? I mean if we got MTV news, all the music mags, internet sites talking about sampling wouldnt it bring up the public awareness about the issue? make it less shady.

Or is this just going to be one of the those things that isnt going to change?

Oh well those were a whole lot of questions, most prob. w/o answers or if they do have answers tehy are too depressing.

Either way I'll support OKP Tour 2001: Free the Sample or spirit's law fund which ever would help more.

Giving You True Lesson Moderation Since'03
******

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>I know part of the "Name
>that sample" game was to
>be a statement about the
>current state of sampling, but
>is there a solution for
>today's sampling woes.

The main solution is to lobby Congress to amend the Copyright ACt of 1976, so it will include certain forms of sampling under the fair use provision (Section 107). I don't think straight looping (of, say, four bars) will EVER be considered eligible for fair use, but certain forms of sampling that only utilize minute portions of a composition, in my mind, should be eligible for a fair use "exemption"...but we have to convince Congress of that.

Like I said, those who are serious about this issue, hit me on the e-mail (alanpage@starpower.net). Particularly those who are in, or plan to enroll in, law school.

>Like what would it take? Would
>every record label have to
>flex its muscles?

A lot of labels own the catalogs to much of the music which is sampled...in that sense, it might not necessarily be in their interest to have the copyright law modified

> Would every
>artist need to make it
>their top priority?

It would help tremendously, particularly if artists of many different genres who sample join hip-hop heads in the struggle (Beck, for example, samples). Artists were able to lobby for a repeal of the provision to the Copyright Act which eliminated the right to reversion (I would define that, but it would take forever).

>Is it just a question of
>promotion? I mean if we
>got MTV news, all the
>music mags, internet sites talking
>about sampling wouldnt it bring
>up the public awareness about
>the issue? make it less
>shady.

Any press bringing light to this issue would be good. If folks want to, write in to some of these music news sites and ask them to do stories on this matter (example: "I am concerned about the fact that hip-hop artists are hindered from freely creating their art because the Copyright Act does not recognize sampling as fair use. Would you consider doing a story interviewing hip-hop producers on how the law hinders them in the pursuit of their art?"). Keep a file of any stories which appear. Writing any of your local media outlets is an idea as well, although I think local publications which focus on music are more likely to respond.

>Or is this just going to
>be one of the those
>things that isnt going to
>change?

ANYTHING can be changed if enough people organize to change it. Believe me.

Again, serious parties concerned about this issue, holla on the e-mail.

Thoughtfully yours,

Spirit

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Peace,

Spirit (Alan)
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I think part of the problem is that the issue is never brought up in a political context. When most non-hip-hop heads (i.e. most of the country) think of sampling they think of Puff Daddy rather than DJ Shadow. A lot of people think "sampling" means simply rapping over the instrumental to an old song. They don't understand that it can be art in and of itself.

-Ryan

"Police don't sweep to get the dust out
They want your name in the system,
I need to mention the death penalty is
legal lynchin
People listen, they got teenagers up in
the line up
To fill the new facility they built,
they need the crime up
Please, the war on drugs is really war
on the youth
War on the people
War on the truth
The violent crimes rise,
the silent dies as sirens cry through
the night
People fight for what's left and not
what's right"

-Talib Kweli

Peace,
Ryan

Alot of yall cats kill me with this "common need to rock over dirty sample joints" uhh first single primo(dirty sample, stratch
chorus)the 2nd joint "light" (dirty sample, stratch chorus) I
guess if you cant hear a ayers/byrd/jamad loop cats think it's
all live and that common aint dirty no mo. heat(allen sample)
doonit(james sample), alot of LWFC was sample based but since the loops,stabs, etc were flipped cats slept

He would never sign with a NL team at this point in his career, after he's hit a million fucking batters. Obviously its a different story coming straight out of high school dumbass - 3xCrazy on Roger Clemens 6/2002

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Let it be broke, by a practicing copyright attorney no less:

It's not the law that needs to change, its the economic dynamic. If we, the hip-hop, soul, rnb, jazz, drum and bass, rock, and blues musicians owned the copyright and owned the publishing and owned the masters, we could license whatever we wanted to whoever we wanted for whatever we decided to charge-$5 a sample, whatever. So imagine if Primo owned all rights to "Olympic Runner" (oh sh*t no he didn't)(yes, I did) and you wanted that tight little snare that sounds like a real snare and not some hybrid rimshot (oh sh*t no he didn't)(okay, I'm just f**ing w/ ya, I love your snare sound mighty cool one, it is truly original and dope and is your trademark sound that our grandkids will be able to pick out (like we picked out coltrane vs. adderly or coltrane vs. rollins, don't front)). So when you do a solo joint for BBE or whomever, demand on owning the masters and the publishing, and just license that sh*t to them. Alas, I digress:

The American copyright system is premised upon the idea that CREATORS (artists) and INVENTORS (scientists) should be incentivised to create and rewarded for their word- and that if you reward artists for their creations they will continue to create and society will thereby be benefitted by these creations and it will progress and move forward, and so the incentive the law gives them is a limited monopoly on their creations- a copyright or a patent, depending on what you make. With the copyright comes a number of attached rights- the right to control the distribution and copying of the creation. copyright also gives you full control over the right to make a "derivative work"- a second work that is derived from the original work.

Therefore, to allow any sampling, regardless of how minimal, you are taking away the right to create derivative works that are held exclusively by the copyright holder, because you are letting a stranger take a piece of my creation, and making something out of my creation, without my permission. If we were allowed to do that, then joe-bag-of-donuts could come along and say "ha, I'm going to do the sequel to Do the Right Thing", without Spike's permission, make some wack sh*t, and usurp Spike's business plans; or some idiot could take a couple of characters, say Radio Raheem and Mookie, and make a bullsh*t TV docudrama about Brooklyn, riding on the creativity of Spike, who created these characters and gave them their personalities. See what I'm saying?

P.S.- free sample of the month- "Impeach the President' is in the public domain, which means you can sample it with reckless abandon. I used to have the case citation, but spirit, check on westlaw using "Tuff City" and the name of the song. Let the games begin.

P.P.S.- when you're really good at chopping beats up, you don't have to pay for jack. See DJ Spinna, Psycho Les (beatnuts), some of RZA's and Primo's work, and of course the man from detroit who told you that he'd shoot you if you were looking in his basement window while he was making beats. Now let's go hit some girlie bars.

everyone's talking about bringing in outside production and collab's in order to make an album that more in the vein of hip-hop...... the problem is that people should stop looking at it as just a hip hop album and start thinking of it as a work of art, ragardless of the number of "head-bangers" or hit-singles....