UPDATE: So we've kind of slowed to a halt. If there are any posts you feel STRONGLY that we should get rid of, please post them below. Also, to Ryan, Wordman, and Kurly, if you want to look at Ricky's posts and get some quick ideas about what you'd like gone, go ahead and glance through soon please.

I'm gonna try to delete the ones I feel the committee agrees should be gone, and I'll make judgement calls based on individual requests. I probably won't get rid of ALL of the ones you recommended, Ricky, simply because our archives are comparatively small anyhow. I will try to get rid of a page or more, especially the pointless repeat/list posts. But it'll probably come down to judgement call for some of those.

So if anyone has any hardcore campaigning to do, please do it in the next 48 hours.

Thanks, Frank

*** ORIGINAL POST ***

I believe the people in this post are Ryan, Wordman, Kurly, and genius.switch (a.k.a. Ricky B). Thank you guys for agreeing to do this. I've asked a couple of others that I'm waiting to hear from. Also, if anyone searches and stumbles upon this post and is interested in joining in, welcome. I've basically got two goals with this post.

1. Discussing "archivability": i.e. what constitutes a post worthy of archival, what are the specific attributes of a post the mods do or do not archive.

2. Discussing the specific posts currently archived in detail: do they meet our list of attributes for archivable posts? Are these posts that can easily be repeated? Do they contain material held more eloquently in other archived posts on the same topic? Are these posts that are on a good topic that we should perhaps create a new post on the same subject to see if we can get better, more up-to-date responses, rendering the older one obsolete?

I'm in the process of moving all music related posts archived back when PTP was Reviews, but that should be done soon. I'd like to start talking about this as soon as possible.

Also, in the interest of keeping the masses who either haven't been here long enough to know what we're about or don't really feel like dedicating the time to reading all of these old archived posts, I've decided to hide this post from the public. If you could either bookmark this specific post, or (the long way) you might be able to find it via the search function, then please do that. But I'd probably do that right away, before you forget the link to this post, lol.

Thanks,
Frank

Here's just some thoughts I have on archivability.

1. Is this a post that can never truly be replicated, i.e. really valuable information, an epic poster fight, or just some really funny reply? If so, it should probably be archived.

2. Is there valuable information/discussion in this post that truly captures a moment of good in-depth analysis/conversation in PTP?

3. Is this post screamingly funny? Does it have a classic beef between posters that people will talk about for years?

Those are my big three requirements. Add on?

And I can't help but feel like Anthony Michael Hall.

I think there are a couple kind of posts that should be chopped off first.

1. Repeat Posts
--stuff that's covered multiple times
2. Quote / List heavy posts w/out much dicsussions
--what's the point?
3. TV Show Season Posts
--i can't imagine too much rereading comes from a lot of them.
4. Impotent Reply-wise
--obviously, they offer little dicussion.
5. Prep Time
--i think there are a number of great comic posts, unfortunately they're the exception

Basically, as Frank said, archived posts should offer insightful discussion or something else that makes rereading them worthwile (jokes, information, etc.).

There are others that don't fit in those five categories, but we can get to them later.

Since I'm in a cutting-type mood, let me at least offer some of mine up for execution.

I Love the 70s-VH1
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=7601&mesg_id=7601&page=9
PERSONAL REQUEST (Just a bunch of lists that don't make sense out of discussion)

Homosexuality in Films.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=7329&mesg_id=7329
PERSONAL REQUEST (No dicussion really came out of it)

"greatest films" recommendations-
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=4800&mesg_id=4800
PERSONAL REQUEST (Redundant)

Persona (1966)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=7410&mesg_id=7410&page=9
PERSONAL REQUEST (I don't know why this was archived in the first place)

it's the money (c) josh davis
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=5656&mesg_id=5656&page=8
PERSONAL REQUEST (Doesn't merit rereading)

Sickness: rationalizing a great director's bad movie(s).
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=32921&mesg_id=32921&page=5
PERSONAL REQUEST (don't know why this was archived to begin with)

What's the happy medium?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=34609&mesg_id=34609&page=5
PERSONAL REQUEST (there's other stuff that covers similar ground)

the best of the bunch (worth staying archived) are noted w/ "*******" things and listed first.

the rest can go . . .


*******'Crash' Discussion Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=24262&mesg_id=24262
A brief word on Crash
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48755&mesg_id=48755
WORST BEST PICTURE WINNER IN THE HISTORY OF OSCAR
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=37102&mesg_id=37102


*******I only laughed ONCE during "The Big Lebowski"
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=51384&mesg_id=51384
The Big Lebowski
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=14623&mesg_id=14623


*******you know, i like Arrested Development - a lot even - but...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=32301&mesg_id=32301
I watched arrested develeopment last night.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=47572&mesg_id=47572


*******NBC's the Office > BBC The Office
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=33611&mesg_id=33611
BBC "The Office" = NOT FUNNY AT ALL
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=36924&mesg_id=36924


*******STAR WARS III : Revenge of the Sith Check-In
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=23721&mesg_id=23721
Everything Star Wars Post we must have
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=42692&mesg_id=42692


*******Heads up! Bus 174 will be on Cinemax next week
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=4174&mesg_id=4174
San Francisco Screening of Bus 174
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8701&mesg_id=8701


*******Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8921&mesg_id=8921
Matrix Reloaded *SPOILERS ABOUND* thread
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9088&mesg_id=9088
The Matrix: Revolutions Predictions?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=5707&mesg_id=5707
Let's Reload The Whole Matrix trilogy
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=5684&mesg_id=5684


*******City of God
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=10521&mesg_id=10521
City of God
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9906&mesg_id=9906
Los Angeles showing of City of God...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9265&mesg_id=9265


*******Hustle & Flow
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=26460&mesg_id=26460
Why Hustle & Flow matters — too much. by ERIN AUBRY KAPLAN
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=49236&mesg_id=49236


*******Fuck that! I'm ready to fight alla y'all!
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=46432&mesg_id=46432
"She Hate Me" wasn't as bad as y'all been sayin.......
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=22145&mesg_id=22145


*******25th hour (new Spike Joint)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=11101&mesg_id=11101
25th HR
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=11683&mesg_id=11683
25th hour dvd comes out tuesday
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8824&mesg_id=8824


*******ADAPTATION (only minor spoilers)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=11959&mesg_id=11959
Adaptation
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=11713&mesg_id=11713


*******Mulholland Drive
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=17691&mesg_id=17691
Mulholland Drive
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=13074&mesg_id=13074


*******GHOST WORLD
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=18471&mesg_id=18471
Ghost World
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=14447&mesg_id=14447


*******Review of Spike Lee's Bamboozled
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=20613&mesg_id=20613
Bamboozled's NEW Ending
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=19574&mesg_id=19574


*******Monster's Ball
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=15988&mesg_id=15988
Monster' Ball
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=15799&mesg_id=15799

*******The Broke Diaries
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=19616&mesg_id=19616
Broke Diaries Review
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=19930&mesg_id=19930&page=

Stanley Crouch's essay on Tarantino flims (everyone should read this)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=28110&mesg_id=28110
How well do you think Pulp Fiction has aged?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48386&mesg_id=48386
The Pulp Fiction Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=1928&mesg_id=1928
^^all these posts actually suck. lol (there's a Pulp Fiction 'Rip offs' thread that's decent though)

Keep the discussion - informative, fun read.
Get rid of number 2 - pointless
keep number 3 ("worst best film oscar ever") - If for no other reason than to see Frank Longo pissed. It's just fun reading stuff from folks who are passionate about their haterade.

It should also be noted that while I thought Crash was good (not great, not amazing, not better than DTRT, I just thought it was good), I definitely do not think it should have won best film.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Keep the first one. Maybe 'cause I enjoy reading posts by people who don't like the same movies I do.
Lose the second one. How many Big L quote posts does one board need?

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I prefer it the other way around.
Lose the "I like AD but" post and keep "I just watched AD". That "I just watched AD" post was up on the boards FOREVER.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I say get rid of 'em both, but if you have to keep one, keep the first one.
The US version reminds me so much of places I've worked it scares me.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I concur. Keep the first one, lose the second one.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I'd get rid of both.
While I'm sure we'd all miss Janey's rules on movie theatre sex, most of the info in the post is outdated.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I say delete 'em all.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Keep number one, lose two and three.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

KEEP BOTH POSTS.
Alot of good reviews that would take way too long to find, plus I thought the convo about the film good.
Can you believe I still haven't seen this movie?

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I don't think I've found a message board with so much to say about Spike Lee. Every post about this cat becomes a goldmine for some reason. Don't get me wrong, his movies are good, but damn, do you think people argued this much about Hitchcock back in the day?
As for the posts, I say keep 'em both please. I love reading 'em.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I say keep the dvd post, get rid of the other two.
I found the posts in the dvd post more engaging.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Keep the one with spoilers in the title, lose the other one.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I really like these two! I think they're very informative. Keep!

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

these can go

Best Movie Lines of ALL Time!
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=19750&mesg_id=19750

OKP's Top Movie Quotes...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=23095&mesg_id=23095&page=3

movie screenshot post ..
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=28602&mesg_id=28602&page=4

There is NO movie more quotable than The Big Lebowski
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=23996&mesg_id=23996&page=7

I DIDN'T KILL MY WIFE!!!
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=31595&mesg_id=31595&page=4

Name a TV drama in history better than The Wire.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=47461&mesg_id=47461&page=2

Best of 2006...TV Edition
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=44597&mesg_id=44597&page=1

But does PTP think about the writing?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=49084&mesg_id=49084&page=1

Pass The Popcorn's The Year In Television 2005
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=43049&mesg_id=43049&page=2

____________ never made a movie I didn't like.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48095&mesg_id=48095&page=3

I think a case can be made to keep TV show season posts (as they can't really be duplicated a la Frank's stipulation), but a lot of the discussion doesn't make sense out of context, i.e., months or years later they lose their flavor.

The O.C.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=2937&mesg_id=2937&page=7

The Official "The Shield" Season 3 Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=2462&mesg_id=2462&page=7

Dave Chapelle - season 2 links courtesy of jose3030
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=1989&mesg_id=1989&page=7

Official 'The Shield' Season 4 Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=23433&mesg_id=23433&page=5

Smallville Season 4
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=25907&mesg_id=25907&page=5

Official 'The Shield' Season 5 Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=39556&mesg_id=39556&page=2

Official Battlestar Galactica Season 2 Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=34992&mesg_id=34992&page=1

The Official Entourage Season 2 Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=44277&mesg_id=44277&page=5

THE WIRE: ENTIRE SEASON 4 *MEGA SPOILERS*
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=50600&mesg_id=50600&page=2

*waves goodbye to these* :)

Haile Gerima's "Adwa"...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=14570&mesg_id=14570&page=14

John Woo's Windtalkers
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=14441&mesg_id=14441&page=14

Phantom Menace DVD Review
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=17838&mesg_id=17838

Breath Control: The History of the Human Beatbox
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=10836&mesg_id=10836&page=11

The Road Home
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8542&mesg_id=8542&page=9

Even if we get rid of these, there are still a handful of comic-and-related posts archived. Plus, there's the blog . . .

Comic heads, more Rob Liefeld comedy/Right-wingers HATE Watchmen
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=29835&mesg_id=29835&page=3

PTP PRESENTS: COMIC BOOK TRIVIA-RAMA!!!
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=41613&mesg_id=41613&page=1

Black Adam Squishin' Faces, or: Discuss All Things _52_ Here
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=40675&mesg_id=40675&page=1

Greta article on race and comics (swipe)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=33341&mesg_id=33341&page=7

Post your favorite comic book covers here
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=41481&mesg_id=41481&page=3

Comic Book Guys & Gals: Best & Worst of 2005
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=43990&mesg_id=43990&page=4

SNAKES ON A PLANE - THE COMIC
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=35877&mesg_id=35877&page=3

The Big Fat Graphic Novel Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=47114&mesg_id=47114&page=2

Reminder: Snakes on a Plane opens in 7 months
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48664&mesg_id=48664&page=2

The Official Week of SOAP Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=45947&mesg_id=45947&page=2

Lets Talk Anime (New and Old)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=35403&mesg_id=35403&page=2

Prep Time Posse 2006 Year In Review
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=44871&mesg_id=44871&page=1

I'll have to wait and go through all of those links. I know for sure there's a couple I'll disagree with for sure, but we'll get to it when we get to it. For now, those basic requirements (specific links notwithstanding) I cosign.

http://library.sonoma.edu/about/ars.html

It's just me in there with no windows and no patrons / customers--just a couple giant cranes and a computer. I gotta do something to kill the time.

>I know
>for sure there's a couple I'll disagree with for sure, but
>we'll get to it when we get to it.

Definitely. And I got about another batch of 15-20 or so to throw out. But take your time, as I'm still impressed that this project is even being contemplated.

not "dicussion"

>I Love the 70s-VH1
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=7601&mesg_id=7601&page=9
>PERSONAL REQUEST (Just a bunch of lists that don't make sense
>out of discussion)

only reasons I could think to keep it are:
* Johnbook
* Janey
* Is a fun read.

But other than that, I say nay.
It also doesn't help that I was born in '82.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

It seems like a small post to archive, but the amount of time it would take one to do that kind of research shouldn't just be deleted. I say keep.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

redundant

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I was so happy this was archived!
Do you know how hard it is to find discussion on this film?
I find reading stuff on particular films in depth VERY interesting, and I always go back and read them.
I was more upset that I didn't find the post until it was in archives.
I don't necessarily know that it fits any of the requirements we set, but I like this post and - when my archives function was working - would read it every time I went 'archive fishing'*.

*'archive fishing' - 'bout 2, 3 times a year I'd go through the archives and read, or in most cases re-read posts. You know, if I had the time to kill.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I think it does merit re-reading.
I enjoy posts like this, posts that critically look at the industry as well as the films. I haven't found too many boards that intelligently (note: INTELLIGENTLY) discuss the film industry, so I think keeping posts like this is a good idea.

I'm not trying to save everything, you just started with ones I like. I promise to get the chopping block going any second now...

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Prof. Calculus put way too much time and effort into that post, and shit was a fun read (Wordman looks around the room, "Well I thought it was a run read."). Keep it 'cause it was a fun and interesting discussion or I'll get angry.
And you wouldn't like me when I'm angry.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

yeah, there's other stuff that covers the same ground, but I dug this one just the same.
Plus Prof. Calculus dissing OE, and remembering the "no diss" comment 3 sentences later was a laugh.
I'd be sad to see it go, until another "I like Art School Confidential and Rocky IV" post. So off with its head.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

My fault everyone, I didn't mean to hog the floor.

:)

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

Hugs the wall on his way to his desk.
"Mr. Wordman! So nice of you to join us! Tell us, what was so important that you couldn't join us until 13 posts?"
"I, uh, I was working."
"I'm afraid not Mr. Wordman. But that's okay Mr. Wordman, we can talk about this today during detention."

I'm here! I'm here! Little late 'cause of work, but I will get on it and provide my input.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Is there any particular reason I can't get into the PTP archives?
Every time I click the link for it, everything but the archived posts come up (meaning I get the top two menu bars, the 'topics sorted by' line, the key, the 'jump to another forum', but no actual posts).
What am I doing wrong here?

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I'm not sure what could be the problem. Are you using a strange browser?

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

LOL no, not really. I'm gonna start making individual posts about posts I think should not be archived in a bit, and we'll just go into them, poke our head into that archived post, see if we want to keep it or not, say a short thing why (or don't if everyone's in agreement), and we'll move forward.

I just kind of want to start trimming it now. I have no real deadline.

Stanley Crouch's essay on Tarantino flims (everyone should read this)
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=28110&mesg_id=28110
How well do you think Pulp Fiction has aged?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48386&mesg_id=48386
The Pulp Fiction Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=1928&mesg_id=1928

Personally? I would keep the first two, if simply because the Orbit_Established blowups over Pulp Fiction are simply legendary. The first one having a great O_E vs. Damaja battle, the second having a great O_E vs. AFKAP battle. O_E's hatred of Pulp Fiction has been an institution of PTP for the last several years, and I really actually like both of these posts as evidence of such.

The last one is superfluous, has no true value that couldn't be repeated, and I think it should go.

Thoughts?

Perhaps, this is where there might be some disagreement.

For the most part, the posts that break from discussion and become big ol' tangled messes of tangents and ad hominems are boring to me. It's alright to highlight someone being clowned or bickering back and forth in some really notable fashion, but I think if you try and carbonite a couple meager examples, it brings the worth of the whole lot down. Basically, you don't see every time WC and AFKAP go at each other in the Lesson being archived. That shit is rather common place and not all that exciting once it's been a minute or two after. And O_E's argued with anyone and everyone, so I don't think there's any special need to save these.

I think all three posts, and any that are being perserved simply because hand-slapping was involved, should go. I'm sure you, Frank, or whomever, might feel different, and that's cool, but I'm just stating where I side.

And yeah, I'm still mad busy at work...sorry, I'm trying.

I hate O_E-dominated posts.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

With most of y'all on this one.
Keep 1 and 2. Those arguments are legendary.
Gotta cut 3.
The first half dozen or so posts are about "check the archives". Would seem a little weird to have it in the archives.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

*******'Crash' Discussion Post
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=24262&mesg_id=24262
A brief word on Crash
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=48755&mesg_id=48755
WORST BEST PICTURE WINNER IN THE HISTORY OF OSCAR
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=37102&mesg_id=37102

This is gonna sound like nepotism, but I think the most archivable is the last one, my post. I think it was the apex of the anti-Crash movement, it has the strongest opinions of all 3 posts, and I personally just think it's pretty damn funny.

I'm torn on the first two. See, I feel the Crash reactions are somewhat symbolic of how PTP feels towards popular "meaningful" movies: at first they love it (the first post), then someone states how strongly they hated it (the second post, which I believe was the first really strong anti-Crash post), then the lovers of the film never show up anymore for fear of mockery and the hatred runs rampant (the last post).

In order of importance of archival, I'd say the last one, then the first one, then the middle one. The last one is the only one I REALLY think should be archived, but I also think it could be really great to have the first one archived too with all the love in it (especially ?uestlove's glowing heartfelt praise for it). The second one... after the original comment, which I think is hilarious and damn near legendary for how much it pissed off some people (who found it representative of the PTP style of reviewing films), there's not much else, so I'd probably be okay with losing that one.

Okay, in hidsight, I think there probably should be something to note the "anti-Crash movement." That was, as you pointed out, a "memorable" time here. However, I think having a dicussion post archived, where discussion actually happened, isn't so bad. So maybe keep the first and the third and axe the middle child.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

I think the most memorable part of when Crash came out was the backlash it had ESPECIALLY after the Best Picture win. Your post was the apex, as you said, and I think that one needs to stay.

Keep the discussion - informative, fun read.
Get rid of number 2 - pointless
keep number 3 ("worst best film oscar ever") - If for no other reason than to see Frank Longo pissed. It's just fun reading stuff from folks who are passionate about their haterade.

It should also be noted that while I thought Crash was good (not great, not amazing, not better than DTRT, I just thought it was good), I definitely do not think it should have won best film.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

It loads the first third of the page, but I get nothing after that. I've tried it on two different computers on two different servers with the same result.
I'm able to pull up specific posts when I do the search feature, but when I try to click on 'PTP Archives', I get the same result as before.
I can open the specific copy/pasted posts in this thread, so I'll probably just contribute about those until I figure out how to resolve this problem.
Sorry about the mix up, you'll be hearing my opinions this week.
Peace

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

go to User Menu

then Edit Your Preference

what is your date limit? make sure it's "all available topics"

I only laughed ONCE during "The Big Lebowski"
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=51384&mesg_id=51384
The Big Lebowski
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=14623&mesg_id=14623

I mean, do we really need to discuss this one? LOL. For me this is a no-brainer, keep the first, axe the second.

Besides, I'm only in the first one. j/k


>I mean, do we really need to discuss this one? LOL. For me
>this is a no-brainer, keep the first, axe the second.


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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

Keep the first one. Maybe 'cause I enjoy reading posts by people who don't like the same movies I do.
Lose the second one. How many Big L quote posts does one board need?


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

you know, i like Arrested Development - a lot even - but...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=32301&mesg_id=32301
I watched arrested develeopment last night.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=47572&mesg_id=47572

This one is interesting for me. The first one I definitely feel should be archived, but I'm torn on the second. There's definitely some funny bits in there (Rjcc's legendary AD hate, the "My Name is Earl" comeback, The Damaja saying he thought The Contest and The Soup Nazi were "shit"), but I do feel like it's a bit superfluous in some manners.

In terms of archived posts to delete based on the repeat factor, that one would probably be near the end of my list of posts to axe... I dunno, it's still pretty goddamn funny. I'm torn over post #2.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

Numero uno goes into criticisms of the show without being so feisty. It actually offers up some good points on both sides without reducing itself simply to back and forth squabbling, i.e., it has real discussion.

Keep 1, Ditch 2.

I prefer it the other way around.
Lose the "I like AD but" post and keep "I just watched AD". That "I just watched AD" post was up on the boards FOREVER. Not much of a reason, but I just enjoyed reading the second one more than the first one.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

NBC's the Office > BBC The Office
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=33611&mesg_id=33611
BBC "The Office" = NOT FUNNY AT ALL
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=36924&mesg_id=36924

I'm not sure which one of these to save. One has more people in it, and more opinions as a result, but it also has more namecalling and less legitimate discussion.

I don't know. Thoughts? I can be convinced either way...

You could make the argument that it's more recent. And funnier. But maybe I'm biased because I've watched waaaay more episodes of BBC Office than NBC Office.


>I don't know. Thoughts? I can be convinced either way...
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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

1. Didn't become quite so big a reenactment of the war of 1812.

2. It came first, so any cliche arguements it fell into seemed more fresh at the time.

3. It's not populated by a certain unnamed okp with an annoying penchant for caps locks and general New York arrogance.

3. It's not populated by a certain unnamed okp with an
>annoying penchant for caps locks and general New York
>arrogance.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I say get rid of 'em both, but if you have to keep one, keep the first one.
The US version reminds me so much of places I've worked it scares me.



"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

*******STAR WARS III : Revenge of the Sith Check-In
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=23721&mesg_id=23721
Everything Star Wars Post we must have
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=42692&mesg_id=42692

I lean towards keep the first, scrap the second. There's just more debate and useful info in the first.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

I concur. Keep the first one, lose the second one.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Heads up! Bus 174 will be on Cinemax next week
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=4174&mesg_id=4174
San Francisco Screening of Bus 174
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8701&mesg_id=8701

Keep first, delete second.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

I'd get rid of both.
While I'm sure we'd all miss Janey's rules on movie theatre sex, most of the info in the post is outdated.
But then again, I'm sure I could be persuaded otherwise.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Official Matrix Reloaded Review Thread
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=8921&mesg_id=8921
Matrix Reloaded *SPOILERS ABOUND* thread
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9088&mesg_id=9088
The Matrix: Revolutions Predictions?
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=5707&mesg_id=5707
Let's Reload The Whole Matrix trilogy
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=5684&mesg_id=5684

In regards to the first two, there's MUCH more in-depth discussion in the second post that really gets down to the detailed nitty-gritty-- what worked, what didn't, what things mean, etc. However, the first does have some insightful things to say about the film and a rare ?uestlove in PTP appearance.

The third post was interesting and would be a very good companion piece to whichever of the first two posts we archive imo.

The final post-- can it.

The second one (Matrix Reloaded *SPOILERS ABOUND* thread) is probably the more archive-worthy because it goes deep into all sorts of possible theroies and interpretations of the movie. Looking at them again, I think we could keep just it and then Matrix Reloaded would be well represented (whereas if you had one in there, you'd be getting short-changed).

The third is interesting, as you say, but I don't know, the trilogy went belly up, so I'm less likely to wanna see a Revolutions post at all, especially a highly abstract one. Similar feeling about four.

Two can win.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

I say delete 'em all.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

City of God
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=10521&mesg_id=10521
City of God
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9906&mesg_id=9906
Los Angeles showing of City of God...
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=9265&mesg_id=9265

Uhhhh... I'm really kinda torn. None goes fully in-depth enough to really be the ultimate City of God post. To be totally honest, someone could say "Save none of these" and I wouldn't gripe. I have no strong opinions to keep any of these three, but I could hear an argument for any one of them.

Because people saw the movie at so many different times (when it first came out to when it got released on DVD all the way to the Oscars), dicsussion has been rather fractured. At the same time, it did become a definitive Reviews / PTP films so I think it needs *something*. I'd go with the first one because it actually came first, and then also 'cause it got the most replies. Discussion throughout may not be exactly sterling, but it's the clear favorite IMO.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

Keep number one, lose two and three.


"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

Hustle & Flow
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=26460&mesg_id=26460
Why Hustle & Flow matters — too much. by ERIN AUBRY KAPLAN
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=49236&mesg_id=49236

I'd have no problem keeping both. The first is a must-keep, and unless there are multiple posts about the plight of black cinema and Bignick's criticisms of the way blacks are portrayed in popular movies, I'd say the second one has value too.

So why it should go:

It's a swipe, and the poster who swiped it and carried most of the early "dicussion" hadn't even seen the movie, thus negating most of what he said and swiped in the first place (from a purely argumentative POV). Beyond that, I'm willing to bet whatever great conclusions were arrived at about the state of black film are present in at least half a dozen other archived posts and in threads somewhat routinely on the active board.

The first actually addresses the movie by people who actually saw it. In fact, it then goes into the weaknesses / flaws of black movies just the same.

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kurly's Super-Duper Awesome DVD Collection:
http://www.dvdaficionado.com/dvds.html?cat=1&id=kurlyswirl

Swipes, IMO, aren't exactly archive-worthy, even though in this case Nick made some great points. I think the first was much more valuable in the long term.

KEEP BOTH POSTS.
Alot of good reviews that would take way too long to find, plus I thought the convo about the film good.
Can you believe I still haven't seen this movie?

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

We just started a new show at work and I'm working 10-12 hour days. I do have time to check OKP and have posted a number of times...but I just wanna take my time and make sure I contribute here. I'm serious, I'll be in here more. Ya'll are doing great though.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=47680&mesg_id=47680&listing_type=search#47681

THE TALES OF AN INTERN: An Ongoing Saga
Can we keep this one? It keeps me grounded. Haha.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=46995&mesg_id=46995&listing_type=search

Bignick's Making Friends With Black People: The Post & Testimonial
A definite keeper.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=37564&mesg_id=37564&listing_type=search

Discuss your unpopular PTP opinion
One of my favorite posts to revisit.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=33102&mesg_id=33102&listing_type=search

The Worst Part of Great Films
Another one I love to read every so often.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=31098&mesg_id=31098&listing_type=search

is apollo 13 the greatest 'western' ever made ?
A CLASSIC.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=31939&mesg_id=31939&listing_type=search

Let's talk about....well...us. (Pass The Popcorn Appreciation Post)
Sappy crap at it's finest.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=23&topic_id=29062&mesg_id=29062&listing_type=search

The Definitive DVD Commentary Rules Post
I enjoy this one, personally.

My job just added some responsibilities that I have to handle (without adding to my 'fiscal' responsibilities - the punks). But I'm here, and I'm gonna be getting on it. Still having some trouble loading the archives, so I'll just click on the individual links in this post.
Y'all been putting in work! Sorry to play catch up!

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

I'd appreciate even MORE suggestions for what to cut. Ricky's links are phenomenally resourceful, for those looking to cosign posts to cut.

Thanks to everyone putting in work though, it really means a lot and will make this process a lot smoother.

I finally get some time to throw in my two cents, and errbody cold disappears.
Sigh.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams

...waiting for me to say I didn't like Magnolia then - POW! - all of a sudden my password doesn't work.
Don't think I don't know what you're up to.

"Your current frequencies of understanding outweigh that which has been given for you to understand." Saul Williams