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"Kamala expected to announce her run on/around MLK Day (swipe)"


  

          

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/424674-kamala-harris-to-enter-presidential-race-on-or-around-mlk-day-report

Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) will formally announce her bid for the White House on or around Martin Luther King Jr. Day, sources told KCBS Radio, a station in her home state of California.

The sources said she would "probably" make the announcement at a rally in Oakland, the radio station added.

A spokesperson for Harris told The Hill, however, that no announcement is imminent and Harris will not be in Oakland during the holiday weekend.

Harris has long been considered a possible frontrunner for the 2020 Democratic nomination and speculation that she would enter the race continued to mount this week when she launched a book tour and media blitz to promote her memoir that was published Tuesday.

The KCBS Radio report comes after Harris told CNN's Jake Tapper on Wednesday that she will soon make a decision on 2020.

During the CNN appearance, Harris said she thinks the U.S. is ready for a woman of color to be president.

"We have to give the American people more credit, and we have to understand that the American public and the people of our country are smart people, who will make decisions about who will be their leader, based on who they believe is capable, who they believe has an honest desire to lead, to represent, to see them, to be a voice for them even if they have no power," Harris said in the appearance.

Harris last month said that she planned to decide whether to run "over the holiday."

“It will ultimately be a family decision," she said at the time. "And over the holiday, I will make that decision with my family."

If Harris is the next major candidate to announce a bid, she would join Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) as the major Democratic names to have thrown their hats in the ring.

Warren last month announced an exploratory committee for a presidential bid.

Other possible high-profile Democratic candidates include Sens. Cory Booker (D-N.J.), Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) and Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) as well as former Vice President Joe Biden and former Rep. Beto O'Rourke (D-Texas).

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uhhhhh...
Jan 10th 2019
1
Haha - to be fair the MAJORITY of America chose correctly.
Jan 10th 2019
58
      lol true.
Jan 11th 2019
92
The US is ready for a good president. period.
Jan 10th 2019
2
Still going for her moment
Jan 10th 2019
3
I'd take her over Biden or Beto
Jan 10th 2019
4
I need to see them on stage during it out before I decide.
Jan 10th 2019
10
Easily b/w the real explanation is simple
Jan 26th 2019
284
good. anyone who wants to run, should.
Jan 10th 2019
5
^^^This is where I am. Let them run, battle it out. Best candidate
Jan 10th 2019
9
agreed.
Jan 10th 2019
33
i need to know more about her
Jan 10th 2019
6
Warren is like that nice teacher who gives a ton of homework
Jan 10th 2019
11
I swear I thought of yall okpers when I read this.
Jan 10th 2019
12
The Native American DNA test shit was a huge misstep
Jan 10th 2019
14
Yup...it was borderline incompetence
Jan 10th 2019
15
They all make huge missteps.
Jan 10th 2019
24
      The math teacher stuff isn't sexist. She's an admitted policy nerd
Jan 10th 2019
31
           Dude when you see a woman talking details and figures and see Math
Jan 10th 2019
47
                you're reaching man. Bernie had the disheveled professor look himself
Jan 10th 2019
77
i voted for hillary and would do it again
Jan 10th 2019
16
I’ll vote for whoever the fuck I want.
Jan 10th 2019
19
RE: I’ll vote for whoever the fuck I want.
Jan 10th 2019
20
      i think america is ready
Jan 10th 2019
21
      I wanted Warren to run in 2016 but she wasn’t allowed to
Jan 10th 2019
22
      its a hard call.
Jan 10th 2019
29
      run that by me again
Jan 10th 2019
34
           meaning regardless of gender
Jan 10th 2019
37
                got ya
Jan 10th 2019
39
                     i think florida will go red regardless.
Jan 10th 2019
48
      how about, let's not condone sexism?
Jan 10th 2019
42
           general electability is really important tho.
Jan 10th 2019
50
           let me clarify
Jan 10th 2019
76
But that whole, "I can't put my finger on why I don't like her"
Jan 10th 2019
32
      i see your point
Jan 10th 2019
35
      ^^^ YES
Jan 10th 2019
59
      At first I thought I the same thing but.....
Jan 10th 2019
79
           there were real issues with hillary
Jan 11th 2019
84
           This is true for sure.
Jan 11th 2019
93
*sips beer
Jan 10th 2019
17
      *Slaps Forehead*
Jan 11th 2019
87
lol damn that is accurate
Jan 10th 2019
18
no dem should run on medicare for all. its a political loser.
Jan 10th 2019
25
      You could apply this same logic to literally any progressive legislation
Jan 10th 2019
28
      not really true. you cant assess it through broad brush strokes.
Jan 10th 2019
36
           RE: not really true. you cant assess it through broad brush strokes.
Jan 10th 2019
41
      one of the candidates will find a way to pitch it right
Jan 10th 2019
30
           why wouldnt they?
Jan 10th 2019
46
                Could try "Our current system is cruel and unsustainable"
Jan 10th 2019
51
                brother youre preaching to the already converted.
Jan 10th 2019
64
                its a hunch
Jan 10th 2019
56
how the fuck is going to clear her history?
Jan 10th 2019
7
what are the hangups?
Jan 10th 2019
8
      She's kind of a mixed bag as a prosecuter/AG
Jan 10th 2019
13
           Drumpf will trot out every single undocumented immigrant...
Jan 10th 2019
23
           She also refused to prosecute Steve Mnuchin's predatory bank
Jan 10th 2019
27
           that thing about an "affair" with willie brown....
Jan 10th 2019
40
                eh i think you give the american ppl too much credit there.
Jan 10th 2019
43
                     meh
Jan 10th 2019
45
                          people dont realize how vulnerable a 2nd term candidate trump is.
Jan 10th 2019
49
                               I definitely think he could be more vulnerable
Jan 10th 2019
52
                               one of the biggest political cons of all time.
Jan 10th 2019
63
                                    yep.
Jan 23rd 2019
247
                               His only defense is his offense
Jan 23rd 2019
249
i'd take her over biden but not warren.
Jan 10th 2019
26
Bernie 2020
Jan 10th 2019
38
FUCK NO. he will be 80 in 2020. Goddamn we can do better.
Jan 10th 2019
53
I'm not excited by any of the names offered to date TBH
Jan 10th 2019
44
Always sounds weird when people say Beto lost Texas
Jan 10th 2019
54
Oh...you think the general public understands nuance and context
Jan 10th 2019
57
      this is the one i'm waiting to be answered
Jan 10th 2019
60
      WTF? He doesn’t need Texas to win.
Jan 10th 2019
65
      TX flipped 12 state house seats and 2 state senate seats in the last ele...
Jan 10th 2019
67
           fam that was largely because of betos coat tails lol.
Jan 10th 2019
68
           You think that was by accident?
Jan 10th 2019
70
      more like ted cruz sux
Jan 10th 2019
73
      Yes. The general public understands it was TEXAS
Jan 10th 2019
66
           yeah i try not to insult or make fun of people but this is bad.
Jan 10th 2019
69
                Folks keep saying he lost like it was a layup.
Jan 10th 2019
71
                     smh dude said the general public doesnt get nuance and context
Jan 10th 2019
72
                          Not to mention
Jan 10th 2019
75
                               Not sure how anyone can type that out and then hit post
Jan 10th 2019
78
                                    I said GENERAL PUBLIC. The same general public that elected Trump...
Jan 10th 2019
80
                                         Everyone is going to be presented as a loser by Trump
Jan 11th 2019
81
                                              RE: we don’t need a ton of votes. Just a chosen few in a few swing sta...
Jan 11th 2019
90
                                                   So nominate someone who can't be criticized or insulted?
Jan 11th 2019
94
                                                   It's a personality contest...not a policy contest
Jan 11th 2019
95
                                                        do you actually like anybody? like who would you put up?
Jan 11th 2019
96
                                                        I'm not picking a candidate over a year and a half ahead of the election
Jan 11th 2019
98
                                                             no i mean is there any politician in america you would like to see run?
Jan 11th 2019
102
                                                                  Looks like I'm going to just put my support behind Bernie again
Jan 16th 2019
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                                                        I don't think out trolling him will work or be particularly productive
Jan 11th 2019
99
                                                             Wild Hunnid
Jan 11th 2019
100
                                                                  What do you mean by "hit back" though?
Jan 11th 2019
104
                                                   Where? Surely not for Hillary.
Jan 11th 2019
107
We should just make...
Jan 10th 2019
55
Bring back Martin O'Malley
Jan 10th 2019
61
      Tim Kaine for the W.
Jan 10th 2019
62
richard ojeda just announced he is running lol.
Jan 10th 2019
74
Yeah, I feel like "guy who voted for Trump in 16" isn't going to do well
Jan 11th 2019
82
he was one of the weirder 'progressive' darlings in 2018.
Jan 11th 2019
83
Right? did Trump change when he got into office? lol
Jan 11th 2019
110
He won't win, but he's definitely USEFUL
Jan 11th 2019
89
      He should run for Senate or take another House shot
Jan 11th 2019
101
Get ready for "Any woman but her"
Jan 11th 2019
85
Which one?
Jan 11th 2019
86
Bruh, even the skeptics in the post voting for either over 45
Jan 11th 2019
91
I don't think it's insignificant that she'll have the AKA vote on lock.
Jan 11th 2019
88
what black woman wouldn't? didn't 98% of black women vote for Hillary?
Jan 11th 2019
106
beto doing interview with oprah in times square.
Jan 11th 2019
97
LOL@Beta
Jan 11th 2019
103
and so it begins...
Jan 11th 2019
105
its on!
Jan 11th 2019
109
gilibrand 2020 lets get it
Jan 11th 2019
108
has she announced?
Jan 11th 2019
113
tulsi gabbard is in.
Jan 11th 2019
111
Me too. Rehearsing for a cabinet position?
Jan 11th 2019
112
If Bernie was smart - he'd back Tulsi.
Jan 11th 2019
114
she has the largest vulnerabilities in the race imo.
Jan 12th 2019
116
      but Kamala's a cop!
Jan 12th 2019
120
      lol they gotta come up with better smear campaigns.
Jan 12th 2019
121
           RE: lol they gotta come up with better smear campaigns.
Jan 12th 2019
122
      this is why this primary is going to be so fascinating
Jan 12th 2019
123
           heres some quick reading material to brush up on her history.
Jan 12th 2019
128
           Yea i read all those pieces over the weekend.
Jan 13th 2019
140
                she ain't moonwalked from Modi
Jan 13th 2019
141
                I'm not denying that Tulsi is a paradox for Dems
Jan 13th 2019
146
                     conviction = flip flopping on just about everything?
Jan 13th 2019
149
                          Fam I have yet to hear the FOR argument
Jan 13th 2019
154
                               yeah she basically just 'evolved' into a mainstream dem lol.
Jan 13th 2019
156
                bernie has been remarkably consistent for decades
Jan 13th 2019
143
                     that he has. Nobody has the long-standing credibility of Bernie
Jan 13th 2019
153
                          So...what’s her message?
Jan 13th 2019
155
           apparently she was pro-zionist just 3 years ago too lol.
Jan 12th 2019
130
it looks like russian bots/troll are starting to line up behind tulsi.
Jan 12th 2019
117
      damn that tweet is damning.
Jan 12th 2019
118
      ah, the "Tulsi is a pro-Assad Putin puppet!" tweets came early
Jan 12th 2019
124
           serious question for you.
Jan 12th 2019
129
           Actually - I see the opposite right now.
Jan 13th 2019
138
                you a jimmy dore fan aint ya?
Jan 13th 2019
145
                     actually no. I can't sit through 3 minutes of his ranting
Jan 13th 2019
148
                          oh ok jimmy used to be tolerable when he was a mainstream tyt-er
Jan 13th 2019
150
                               lol I mean I think Jimmy covers lot of important issues
Jan 13th 2019
151
           what do you like about her? For instance, why her over Warren?
Jan 12th 2019
132
                fam she is echoing repub talking points about 'religious bigotry' now
Jan 12th 2019
134
                That’s why I’m so curious about the case FOR her
Jan 12th 2019
137
                     she's basically Ron Paul with a different set of baggage
Jan 13th 2019
142
                          lol. Or, she's absolutely nothing like Ron Paul
Jan 13th 2019
147
                I like Warren and support a diverse and contested primary
Jan 13th 2019
139
julian castro is in.
Jan 12th 2019
115
All trying to get that first in premium.
Jan 12th 2019
119
why u think they cant win, cuz they aint beto? lol
Jan 12th 2019
125
ey if thats your horse then bet on him. it makes me no nevermind.
Jan 12th 2019
131
I think everyone realizes there isn't a real obvious candidate.
Jan 12th 2019
126
Speaking of irrational hatred, I cant stand the Castro brothers
Jan 12th 2019
127
I sort of agree but we wanted a primary, right?
Jan 12th 2019
133
im just worried we will focus our money/attention on the prez race
Jan 12th 2019
135
      RE: im just worried we will focus our money/attention on the prez race
Jan 12th 2019
136
           the party of the prez usually loses seats in the midterms.
Jan 13th 2019
144
                I disagree. We need Trump gone
Jan 13th 2019
152
i have no excitement for this guy
Jan 14th 2019
165
Beto stole the thunder the Castro brothers had in 2012
Jan 14th 2019
166
His moms helped establish La Raza Unida. This is a hard sell.
Jan 16th 2019
173
pretty funny thread on tulsi
Jan 13th 2019
157
yea - this is getting really silly now.
Jan 13th 2019
158
      those are all positions she has held at some point.
Jan 13th 2019
159
           this was carefully crafted to assassinate character
Jan 13th 2019
160
                Vex...we get it. You like that she “evolved”
Jan 13th 2019
161
                     Oh man, this
Jan 14th 2019
163
im in on her for VP
Jan 14th 2019
162
i like her so far
Jan 14th 2019
164
I'm all set (youtube link):
Jan 16th 2019
167
???
Jan 16th 2019
169
They have a lot of differences, and both are way better than Kamala
Jan 16th 2019
170
      What specifically do you like about Tulsi?
Jan 16th 2019
171
           I'll paste my comment from another thread
Jan 16th 2019
172
                can you give specifics though?
Jan 16th 2019
174
                     RE: can you give specifics though?
Jan 16th 2019
175
                     Folks keep hyping her up
Jan 16th 2019
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                     It's crazy to me that people just dismiss her outright
Jan 16th 2019
179
                     You are the first person on here to list a few things off
Jan 16th 2019
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                          Post 175 fwiw as well
Jan 16th 2019
182
                          she may or may not be worth your vote, but def worth investigating
Jan 16th 2019
192
                     People LOVE the appearance of toughness
Jan 16th 2019
184
                     Lol as the ''she'll call Trump a bitch'' guy, let me clarify that
Jan 16th 2019
188
                          not that she's my choice, but she'd be a problem for Trump
Jan 16th 2019
190
                               EXACTLY. Thats what i was trying to say.
Jan 16th 2019
201
                     dog I think this is a huge part of it
Jan 16th 2019
194
                     thank you
Jan 16th 2019
187
                          RE: thank you
Jan 16th 2019
215
                     RE: What about Gillibrand's "growth" on guns?
Jan 16th 2019
178
                     ? This is what primaries are for
Jan 16th 2019
181
                          Agreed, youve been fair about it
Jan 16th 2019
183
                          RE: https://www.tulsigabbard.org/
Jan 16th 2019
186
                               cmon
Jan 16th 2019
189
                                    The OP is IRT Kamala announcing...and subsequent recent posts
Jan 16th 2019
191
                                         That didn't seem like your point initially
Jan 16th 2019
193
                     I think "evolved" is only bad if it's obviously bullshit
Jan 16th 2019
185
You don't have to settle for anyone in the primary. Pick your horse
Jan 16th 2019
176
nina turner fam? seriously? lol
Jan 16th 2019
196
      Not my top choice, but any day over the Kamala/Clinton wing
Jan 16th 2019
216
'progressives' have really taken to trashing the obama presidency
Jan 16th 2019
195
I'm of two minds
Jan 16th 2019
197
obama was literally obstructed from passing a lot of his agenda
Jan 16th 2019
210
      Yeah, I've definitely noticed this more the last year or so
Jan 17th 2019
222
      of all the criticisms I have of him
Jan 29th 2019
332
So...Clinton is absolved of criticism because...he had a higher approval...
Jan 16th 2019
198
another classic bentagain take.
Jan 16th 2019
199
no snark, what sparked this post?
Jan 16th 2019
203
      my bad fam im in like a social media informational chamber
Jan 16th 2019
213
           RE: my bad fam im in like a social media informational chamber
Jan 16th 2019
218
                on this part
Jan 29th 2019
336
what sites do you guys recommend to get familiar with the candidates?
Jan 16th 2019
200
going to candidate sites is a good start, i think
Jan 16th 2019
202
Def agree on long form interviews. I almost never visit candidate sites
Jan 16th 2019
204
longer interviews tend to expose candidates a bit more
Jan 16th 2019
205
      true
Jan 16th 2019
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So basically search for candidate name and interview on YT?
Jan 16th 2019
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      if YT is Youtube and not Young Turks, then sure haha
Jan 16th 2019
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           yes youtube lol
Jan 16th 2019
212
ballotpedia
Jan 16th 2019
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      ^good site. along with govtrack
Jan 16th 2019
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           Not quite what you want maybe but
Jan 16th 2019
217
           yup but thats a dope project regardless.
Jan 16th 2019
219
                Success of longform podcasts
Jan 17th 2019
220
           thanks to you both
Jan 17th 2019
221
           Do you know of a site that displays
Jan 17th 2019
223
Check this out tho:
Jan 16th 2019
207
Do we believe Kamala is in support of recreational marijuana
Jan 17th 2019
224
why kamala/beto have more upside than bernie/biden
Jan 21st 2019
225
Obama messed it up for all the raceless "Black"
Jan 21st 2019
226
new bernieland attack on kamala: is she really african-american?
Jan 21st 2019
227
Bernie Sanders is really...Michael Tracey...?
Jan 21st 2019
229
In the Bin scale of blackness, she would be black, but not Black
Jan 21st 2019
232
some ether in those replies though
Jan 21st 2019
233
She's half-Jamaican. So (b)lack.
Jan 28th 2019
326
Washington Post article about her policies
Jan 21st 2019
228
can you paste the contents...can't see wapo or nyt articles
Jan 21st 2019
230
      swipe
Jan 21st 2019
231
           Thanks
Jan 21st 2019
234
Get out the early Odd Future mixtapes, we're doing the Birther thing aga...
Jan 22nd 2019
235
Birthers stay ready!
Jan 22nd 2019
236
CNN's credulous dipshit already falling for it
Jan 22nd 2019
237
      chris cuomo is a fucking bonehead.
Jan 23rd 2019
242
Wasn't Lyin' Ted born in Canada?
Jan 22nd 2019
238
centrist is gonna win the nomination tho.
Jan 23rd 2019
239
chris matthews: is she seen as african-american?
Jan 23rd 2019
240
proof how deep our roots are in racism.
Jan 23rd 2019
241
what's wild is this question comes from Chris Mathhews, not Fox News
Jan 23rd 2019
243
It's a valid ask, she's always Identified as not just Indian
Jan 23rd 2019
245
Like it or not, B vs. b is real. us Af-Ams have our own unique identity ...
Jan 23rd 2019
250
She never identified as Black American and her pop
Jan 23rd 2019
261
harris wins new dailykos straw poll.
Jan 23rd 2019
244
This is why there's such strong, coordinated campaign against her
Jan 23rd 2019
251
      Scrutinizing a candidate during a primary isn't a Russian op
Jan 23rd 2019
252
      Didn't say it was... nor that it's out of bounds
Jan 23rd 2019
253
      russian trolls/bots are def amplifying/antagonizing tho.
Jan 23rd 2019
255
      dailykos is overwhelmingly white progressives too.
Jan 23rd 2019
256
      Yeah I was surprised to see her above Warren
Jan 23rd 2019
259
           i was thinking this too.
Jan 24th 2019
273
      Question Re: liberal wing
Jan 23rd 2019
260
Am I the only one who has been pronouncing it wrong this whole time?
Jan 23rd 2019
246
Me too. I've been training myself to pronounce it correctly for the last
Jan 23rd 2019
248
i didnt really see the difference until i heard it said
Jan 24th 2019
263
goddammit me too
Jan 26th 2019
288
^^^Kim Chee
Jan 28th 2019
309
I've been pronouncing it like the girl who I went to high school had sai...
Jan 28th 2019
310
hoteps are really going hard on kamala huh?
Jan 23rd 2019
254
real talk, I was undecided until this all this shit
Jan 23rd 2019
257
yeah i found her kinda bland and unspectacular early on.
Jan 23rd 2019
258
      You rarely meet a Black woman who is republican
Jan 24th 2019
262
           to be honest...i dont think i know any black women non-voters.
Jan 24th 2019
271
           Beating hope out of Black men is as American as apple pie
Jan 25th 2019
274
           Mabel King being down with them kinda broke my heart
Jan 25th 2019
281
Lol yall oplyer types are tommy sotomayor
Jan 24th 2019
264
actually, it's the Tommy Sotomayor cats who are going hard on her
Jan 25th 2019
280
critical analysis thru a working poor Black lens is hotep
Jan 28th 2019
312
      RE: critical analysis thru a working poor Black lens is hotep
Jan 28th 2019
317
go call a Jewish person a Shalom
Jan 24th 2019
269
you gonna go cry in the car bitch?
Jan 24th 2019
270
why would I cry over you being a self hating coward
Jan 26th 2019
283
RE: you gonna go cry in the car bitch?
Jan 28th 2019
319
This sounded so smart in your head, too
Jan 25th 2019
275
      lmfao
Jan 25th 2019
277
      you got a problem?
Jan 26th 2019
282
She's REALLY trying hard though, and doesn't need to.
Jan 28th 2019
316
Kamala Harris is not a Black candidate
Jan 24th 2019
265
Kamala Harris supports police brutality indirectly
Jan 24th 2019
266
She could change her position..........
Jan 24th 2019
267
SMH@that last paragraph
Jan 24th 2019
268
Exactly
Jan 27th 2019
289
Now her people are churning out the excuses
Jan 26th 2019
285
      They are doing their best to spin facts but her political past
Jan 27th 2019
290
tulsi gabbard has visited no early primary states.
Jan 24th 2019
272
IMHO she is not a serious candidate this time anyway
Jan 26th 2019
286
Howard Dean defends Kamala against Tariq Nasheed...
Jan 25th 2019
276
COOKIN off this exchange
Jan 25th 2019
278
would yall vote for nancy pelosi if she was the nominee? lol
Jan 25th 2019
279
Good, then keep her where she is, which is a critical position
Jan 26th 2019
287
I mean, sure. But I doubt she wants it
Jan 28th 2019
311
Over Kamala, hell yea
Jan 28th 2019
318
      lol
Jan 28th 2019
323
      those rings around your eyes getting darker
Jan 30th 2019
408
Damn
Jan 27th 2019
291
^^^ seen
Jan 27th 2019
292
the fact that CNN is giving her a town hall this early is wild
Jan 28th 2019
313
      So nauseating. Once again, the process is an inside money job
Jan 28th 2019
314
white people love kamala. i cant call it.
Jan 27th 2019
293
as far as I see it, it's hers to lose.
Jan 27th 2019
294
her rollout seems to have gone better than anyone elses.
Jan 27th 2019
295
20k+ people at kamala harris announcement rally.
Jan 27th 2019
296
she's staffing up w/ a lot of HRC's team from 2016
Jan 27th 2019
297
      you got a link to her campaign team?
Jan 27th 2019
298
           RE: you got a link to her campaign team?
Jan 27th 2019
299
                so you werent insinuating that the media is lining up behind her
Jan 27th 2019
300
                     I said that she's gotten predominately favorable coverage
Jan 27th 2019
301
                          deal. i jumped the gun without getting clarity on what you meant.
Jan 27th 2019
302
                               I don't go back and forth on this board here very often these days
Jan 27th 2019
303
                                    yeah i need to dial down the emotion and rhetoric in general really.
Jan 27th 2019
304
                                         much respect brother.
Jan 28th 2019
315
'foreign powers infecting the White House like malware'©Black Thought?
Jan 27th 2019
305
hell of a line.
Jan 27th 2019
306
heres some polling on where the parties wanna move going forward.
Jan 27th 2019
307
yeah, i'm wondering what more conservative even means.
Jan 27th 2019
308
      the latter.
Jan 28th 2019
320
Willie Brown on extramarital affair w/Kamala Harris (swipe)
Jan 28th 2019
321
im not getting the 'kamala is the handpicked dnc candidate' talk.
Jan 28th 2019
322
DEFLECT DEFLECT...they're still talking about Willie Brown
Jan 28th 2019
324
who is deflecting? the harris team or her detractors?
Jan 28th 2019
325
I don't think she's handpicked but highly favored.
Jan 29th 2019
333
      mcauliffe is a great candidate/campaigner/politician.
Jan 29th 2019
334
           that's a shrewd dude
Jan 29th 2019
338
                he is really good at speaking on issues in plain terms
Jan 29th 2019
341
damn she killed this answer about her record as a prosecutor.
Jan 29th 2019
327
LOL, she actually contradicted herself, based on a handful of posts
Jan 29th 2019
328
How did she contradict herself?
Jan 29th 2019
329
What are your concerns with her as Pres?
Jan 29th 2019
346
      My concern with her as a candidate is that she plays to the room
Jan 29th 2019
355
           That’s fair man
Jan 29th 2019
358
She did well w/ that question
Jan 29th 2019
330
Daily Kos isn't Kamala
Jan 29th 2019
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so Daily Kos is playing defense and spokesperson for Kamala
Jan 29th 2019
335
      thats a personal diary entry. not an official staff article.
Jan 29th 2019
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           understood - but it still has to get approved and published
Jan 29th 2019
344
                You’re in for a lot of disappointment
Jan 29th 2019
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                not at all.
Jan 29th 2019
349
                     your bias is showing
Jan 29th 2019
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                     yeah i mean dailykos entire reputation is built on being progressive
Jan 29th 2019
370
                     tulsis image is overwhelmingly negative among informed dem voters.
Jan 29th 2019
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                          What’s funny is they are starting to remind me
Jan 29th 2019
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                               i thought you were gonna say trump supporters lol
Jan 29th 2019
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                read most of the comments under the articles when you get a chance.
Jan 29th 2019
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                     I have usually enjoyed dailykos content
Jan 30th 2019
419
I'd ask why she didn't prosecute, but more importantly...
Jan 29th 2019
359
shrewd answer but not a satisfying one
Jan 29th 2019
342
NYT swipe: Talking with black voters in SC, CA about Harris
Jan 29th 2019
337
she's got white women on lock too
Jan 29th 2019
345
South Carolina is critical for any Dem candidate in the primaries
Jan 29th 2019
348
      the Primaries hit the southern states first and
Jan 30th 2019
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Harris threatened parents with jail over truant children (link)
Jan 29th 2019
340
yea, i agree
Jan 29th 2019
343
The guy who posted the video about Kamala on Twitter
Jan 29th 2019
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Its cruel, and she laughs about it. And once again, I'll link this:
Jan 29th 2019
351
Do you worry she'll pass a national truancy law?
Jan 29th 2019
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      You a lie.
Jan 29th 2019
356
      cmon man
Jan 29th 2019
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           where im at:
Jan 29th 2019
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      The link i linked wasnt about truancy. It was about
Jan 29th 2019
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           Yeah I know what you posted
Jan 29th 2019
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                There's zero comparison between
Jan 29th 2019
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                     You keep glossing over Tulsi’s other issues
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                          bingo
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                          Oh if i haven't on this site, ive certainly expressed
Jan 30th 2019
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                          They actually aren't, though
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                               yes, they are. Very much so.
Jan 30th 2019
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                                    All of that and you barely listed anything specific
Jan 30th 2019
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strict truancy enforcement is oddly kinda popular lol.
Jan 29th 2019
366
That program works in California.....
Jan 31st 2019
460
Primaries are good
Jan 29th 2019
352
her cnn town hall was their most watched candidate town hall ever.
Jan 29th 2019
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sorry her town hall was the most watched ever for all of cable news.
Jan 29th 2019
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tulsi gabbard campaign manager and consultants already quit
Jan 29th 2019
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Her team is “evolving” and “growing”
Jan 29th 2019
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just a little bit of deck chair reshuffling.
Jan 29th 2019
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Batrice (her campaign manager) was deputy mgr. for Bernie
Jan 30th 2019
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She's taking a pounding on Black social media right now, and
Jan 29th 2019
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interesting. maybe after years of watching obama have to
Jan 29th 2019
365
no, her record as an AG & DA is the issue
Jan 29th 2019
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      that doesnt at all conflict with what i said.
Jan 29th 2019
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           oh, ok.
Jan 30th 2019
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                whats your point?
Jan 30th 2019
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followed some of this since her TH and feel saddened by all the pain
Jan 29th 2019
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      this is why i think running on m4a/single payer nationwide is a mistake.
Jan 30th 2019
380
      Agree 100% with everything you wrote. I am praying that one of the Dem
Jan 30th 2019
384
           do you work in the healthcare industry?
Jan 30th 2019
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           Lmao I do. But I also grew up in a single payer environment and have
Jan 30th 2019
386
                lol thanks. im keeping an eye out for you from now on.
Jan 30th 2019
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           I am not sure what the conflict is supposed to be
Jan 30th 2019
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                No it doesn't, but that's not what people have to run on.
Jan 30th 2019
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                You are correct. The two approaches are not necessarily conflicting.
Jan 30th 2019
429
      it damn well OUGHT to be... FOH
Jan 30th 2019
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           Damn possible police.
Jan 30th 2019
395
KAMALA HARRIS FAILS TO EXPLAIN WHY SHE DIDN’T PROSECUTE STEVEN MNUCHIN...
Jan 30th 2019
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She was not ready to talk about Medicare for All.
Jan 30th 2019
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shit you know what? dems should describe healthcare like the usps.
Jan 30th 2019
393
Sidenote: I absolutely HATE how the Postal Service gets used as a
Jan 30th 2019
397
*touches nose*
Jan 30th 2019
399
I've also had past good experiences with the DMV
Jan 30th 2019
401
      Huh. That's out of character for Minnesota
Jan 30th 2019
409
Yeah, I've never had a bad experience at a post office.
Jan 30th 2019
400
Good point!
Jan 30th 2019
398
I don't think I've said it before
Jan 30th 2019
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      lmao.
Jan 30th 2019
445
agreed. She and others gotta tighten it up
Jan 30th 2019
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its disappointing that she wasnt prepared for that.
Jan 30th 2019
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soon as she said she was for getting rid of pvt insurance she was cooked
Jan 30th 2019
432
Most candidates have a substantive reason Y ppl prefer them. Kamala?
Jan 30th 2019
403
Her appearance and ethnicity, and what that represents
Jan 30th 2019
404
So she's an empty symbol, ready for donors.
Jan 30th 2019
405
      Sadly, politics has devolved to the level of WWE skits & reality TV
Jan 30th 2019
412
           When was it last about X's and O's?
Jan 30th 2019
413
           Probably a president before my lifetime. But it has gotten worse
Jan 30th 2019
414
           Ochlocracy. Great word. And..
Jan 30th 2019
417
I wish Warren was more likeable
Jan 30th 2019
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Agreed
Jan 30th 2019
418
RE: I wish Warren was more likeable
Jan 30th 2019
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She's pretty likable when she lights up corrupt bankers
Jan 30th 2019
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Agreed lol
Jan 30th 2019
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Yep.
Jan 30th 2019
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      Exactly! See post 427
Jan 30th 2019
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Warren is by far my favorite candidate, but I'm afraid she's a lost caus...
Jan 30th 2019
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I was a huge fan of Professor Warren long before politics, but
Jan 30th 2019
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few things
Jan 30th 2019
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      I think we're not disagreeing here as much as you think.
Jan 30th 2019
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nobody who would find her "unlikable" would vote for her anyway
Jan 31st 2019
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Kavanaugh hearings. She put her foot in it
Jan 30th 2019
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      ^^^^ this is it. the reason most people outside of CA know who she is.
Jan 30th 2019
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      She did.
Jan 30th 2019
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      She's good at prosecuting ppl, throwing the key, DJing and phone sex.
Jan 30th 2019
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      So you like Kamala's voice better. I do too. I guess that settles it.
Jan 30th 2019
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      Pretty much. Howard Deans scream did him in
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           lol
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           I didn’t think it wasn’t that big of a deal either.
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           Lol
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      I thought he made her look pedestrian
Jan 30th 2019
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           that's how I remember it
Jan 30th 2019
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           Doesn’t matter how it actually played out
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Aw man the truancy thing looks really bad.
Jan 30th 2019
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I wouldn't classify it as cherrypicking
Jan 30th 2019
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she won't have to defend it....people in California will
Jan 31st 2019
464
tulsi gabbard took more than $100k from arms dealers in 2016.
Jan 31st 2019
448
Harris Was Only 2016 Senate Democratic Candidate to Get Cash From Mnuchi...
Jan 31st 2019
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      in the very article you posted it says
Jan 31st 2019
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      LOL@Tulsi stan...FOH
Jan 31st 2019
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           my bad I was wrong on that
Jan 31st 2019
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                Do you see it?
Jan 31st 2019
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                     fam how are you gonna talk about deflecting
Jan 31st 2019
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                     It's a Kamala post...focus
Jan 31st 2019
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                     dude gotta be getting a check from somebody
Feb 11th 2019
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                     RE: fam how are you gonna talk about deflecting
Jan 31st 2019
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                     I get your point now
Jan 31st 2019
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                          yeah im not even big on kamala.
Feb 01st 2019
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      and she still voted against him.
Jan 31st 2019
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           it didnt sway her vote during his nomination for a position in governmen...
Jan 31st 2019
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I really don't give a fuck about her negatives
Jan 31st 2019
452
Do you think only one Democratic candidate can beat Trump?
Jan 31st 2019
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      Right, people in here are CONVINCED a year out from the primaries
Jan 31st 2019
467
           Update, IDGAF about who it is or their negatives
Jan 31st 2019
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           Personally? 2016 messed. me. up.
Jan 31st 2019
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                I hear that, but there's no "x has a 90% chance, Y has a 60% chance"
Feb 01st 2019
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                     less than 80k in 3 states. and think about *all* the shit
Feb 01st 2019
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                          You're right, *80k* votes
Feb 01st 2019
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for the first time, Kamala is reminding me of Hillary (AIPAC speech)
Jan 31st 2019
457
RE: reply 355
Jan 31st 2019
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how do you feel about this tulsi speech to christians united for israel
Jan 31st 2019
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      No other democratic primary candidate has criticized Israel like Tulsi
Jan 31st 2019
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           all of that tough talk on israel came after 2017 tho.
Jan 31st 2019
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                Here's why it doesn't strike me as suspicious:
Jan 31st 2019
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                     im gonna stop talking about tulsi.
Feb 01st 2019
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                          This is definitely my preferred course of action:
Feb 01st 2019
481
What are her rewards for the black community?
Jan 31st 2019
459
does the black community have specific agenda items?
Jan 31st 2019
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Yeah we have agenda items.
Feb 04th 2019
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      criminal justice reform
Feb 11th 2019
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           ... No
Feb 11th 2019
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                looks like more than a few people missed your last agenda meeting lol.
Feb 11th 2019
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The reward is Trump not getting another SC pick
Jan 31st 2019
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      not enough.
Feb 11th 2019
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cory booker is in. with the ad version of white peoples potato salad.
Feb 01st 2019
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WTF does that have to do with Kamala Harris?
Feb 01st 2019
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      nigga what is wrong with you? you the hall monitor now? lol.
Feb 01st 2019
482
           see post 470
Feb 01st 2019
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                something is really wrong with you lol.
Feb 01st 2019
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brand new dailykos straw poll if you wanna vote or check results
Feb 04th 2019
488
RE: brand new dailykos straw poll if you wanna vote or check results
Feb 04th 2019
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      nvm it says she was newly added.
Feb 04th 2019
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           yeah I saw that too
Feb 04th 2019
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                this is a really important point right here:
Feb 04th 2019
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poll: democrats prioritizing 'electability' for 2020.
Feb 04th 2019
493
Oh no not Biden
Feb 04th 2019
495
No to Biden man. Just no.
Feb 04th 2019
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fam i keep saying it. the entire country doesnt see things
Feb 04th 2019
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      as I said it is way early...is Sanders your 2nd choice?
Feb 04th 2019
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           biden isnt even my 1st.
Feb 11th 2019
503
                Fair...then polling also bodes well for Bernie though, right?
Feb 11th 2019
508
                     bernie was always going to be a major contender (if he runs).
Feb 11th 2019
510
                          RE: bernie was always going to be a major contender (if he runs).
Feb 11th 2019
515
He's a weaker candidate than Hillary was
Feb 11th 2019
502
      thats your subjective analysis.
Feb 11th 2019
504
           He's also not actually running yet
Feb 11th 2019
505
                every major dem candidate has received a boost by announcing
Feb 11th 2019
507
                     RE: every major dem candidate has received a boost by announcing
Feb 11th 2019
509
                     Biden told a vet with no legs to stand up and be recognized
Feb 11th 2019
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                     lol thats the other thing
Feb 11th 2019
513
                     LBJ gave a half-assed run for the nomination in 1960
Feb 11th 2019
514
                     technically hillary clinton.
Feb 12th 2019
522
                          I mean who actually won and sat in the Oval Office
Feb 12th 2019
524
                               if youre claiming dems only elect fresh faces
Feb 12th 2019
529
                                    Not quite what I’m saying
Feb 12th 2019
530
                                         obama had the 2 highest vote totals of any president ever.
Feb 12th 2019
531
                                              I thought we were leaving bubbles
Feb 12th 2019
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                                                   wait how am i in a bubble
Feb 13th 2019
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                                                        you repeat a lot of establishment Dem reasoning
Feb 13th 2019
569
                     Nobody can"prove" weakness, though
Feb 11th 2019
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okayplayer getting in on the kamala harris hit pieces lol.
Feb 12th 2019
517
I believe we need to legalize marijuana
Feb 12th 2019
518
Dude. Why care about what her policy on weed WAS?
Feb 12th 2019
519
you know attorney generals prosecute according to existing law right?
Feb 12th 2019
520
i want candidates to retroactively support things i just started support...
Feb 12th 2019
521
why didnt kamala harris support medicare for all
Feb 12th 2019
523
Tangental: Philly's DA has run on a platform of "reform:"
Feb 12th 2019
525
yeah i love krasner.
Feb 12th 2019
526
      California's had legal marijuana policies since 1996
Feb 12th 2019
527
           'legal marijuana policies since 1996'
Feb 12th 2019
528
                Deflect Deflect
Feb 13th 2019
538
                     shes only been in the senate 2 years. 3 bills have been introduced
Feb 13th 2019
548
                          I read your reply as...she's done nothing.
Feb 13th 2019
553
                               i read your reply as another bentagain reply.
Feb 13th 2019
555
lol @ open every cell in san quentin, send em to africa?
Feb 12th 2019
533
RE: I believe we need to legalize marijuana
Feb 13th 2019
540
fam you flung 183 anti-Tulsi hit pieces already
Feb 13th 2019
534
tulsi aint happening fam. time to cut her loose.
Feb 13th 2019
542
This is so dumb and it's not even the dumbest "controversy" of
Feb 13th 2019
535
wait, what happened?
Feb 13th 2019
541
now fam you see how 'fresh face' harris is having her identity defined
Feb 13th 2019
551
huh? Reeq every candidate is going to get attacked
Feb 13th 2019
570
RE: wait, what happened?
Feb 13th 2019
558
i think her biggest mistake was not building a relationship
Feb 13th 2019
550
      Her biggest mistake was Tupac in 86.
Feb 13th 2019
556
           Pac was an answer to a question of what she likes
Feb 13th 2019
557
"But what about her hip-hop?!?!"
Feb 13th 2019
536
Now I want her to end up as a guest
Feb 13th 2019
537
when trying to be down goes wrong
Feb 13th 2019
539
She's fucking this up all by herself.
Feb 13th 2019
543
Well that's just the thing, she misspoke.
Feb 13th 2019
545
C’mon bruh.. you know this is a clownable offense.
Feb 13th 2019
547
      the problem is the media is in the business of bullshit elevation.
Feb 13th 2019
559
           Dude, Fox News was out here running with this like
Feb 13th 2019
563
                fucked up part is fox news coverage and lefty news site coverage
Feb 13th 2019
566
She was prolly listening to Rappin Duke
Feb 13th 2019
546
      Duh hah. duh hah. She never thought that Hip-Hop would take it
Feb 13th 2019
549
      how great of an answer would that have been too
Feb 13th 2019
552
           Folks saying it’s petty but she went on a hip hop station
Feb 13th 2019
554
           i legit can't tell what she was answering though
Feb 13th 2019
560
                This interview is on the heels of a clip of her boppin to Cardi B
Feb 13th 2019
562
                     she can't listen to both Cardi B and two 90s hip hop staples?
Feb 13th 2019
565
           I want someone to get deep into it with someone
Feb 13th 2019
561
                if she'd have said her favorite Ice Cube song was We Be Clubbin
Feb 13th 2019
564
charlamagne addresses all the bullshit:
Feb 13th 2019
567
KH kept innocent man in jail: crickets...KH didnt listen to Pac: flames
Feb 13th 2019
568
Except a lot of people have gone at her record while AG
Feb 13th 2019
571
Come on, this coming from the guy who said
Feb 13th 2019
572
uncle luke says black people in florida wont vote for harris lol
Feb 14th 2019
573
house progressive champion endorses kamala harris.
Feb 14th 2019
574

Reeq
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1. "uhhhhh..."
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>"We have to give the American people more credit, and we have
>to understand that the American public and the people of our
>country are smart people, who will make decisions about who
>will be their leader, based on who they believe is capable,
>who they believe has an honest desire to lead, to represent,
>to see them, to be a voice for them even if they have no
>power," Harris said in the appearance.

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58. "Haha - to be fair the MAJORITY of America chose correctly."
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By nearly 3 million strong.

We just don't have a democratic system in place.

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92. "lol true."
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2. "The US is ready for a good president. period. "
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3. "Still going for her moment"
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it just aint happening

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4. "I'd take her over Biden or Beto"
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I would want to hear her explanation for some of the things she did (and did not) do as California AG, though.

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10. "I need to see them on stage during it out before I decide. "
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I’m leaning towards Beto but I need to see them under pressure.

shut up already, damn

  

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284. "Easily b/w the real explanation is simple"
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She had too much ambition to shake up the status quo. I am not mad at that because I think holder her to a higher standard is a double standard in many ways, even though I realize she was in a PRIME position to advance progressive positions in the judicial system of an enormous, largely liberal state. The problem is she is trying to have it both ways. She isn't just a regular center-of-left, merit-emphasizing candidate, she wants to be seen as progressive and as a champion of the people. She is kind of raising the bar for herself and how people react will set a course for her campaign. Overall I kind of like her, even though there were a lot of things she did that I didn't agree with. She is tough, shrewd and has experience in some big positions in government. I wouldn't be mad at all to see her win the nomination.

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5. "good. anyone who wants to run, should."
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9. "^^^This is where I am. Let them run, battle it out. Best candidate "
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SHOULD emerge.


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33. "agreed."
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let this please be sorted out in the primary.

  

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6. "i need to know more about her"
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warren irks me so im hoping there are some people that do run that i feel good about.

i would definitely give kamala a chance.

at this point i want to wait to see who decides to run. then look at what they would support. although im inclined to choose beto if he isnt support m4a i would have to pass on him.

biden and warren are very meh to me. i would go for bernie if no one else supports the same issues but i find that doubtful.

  

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11. "Warren is like that nice teacher who gives a ton of homework"
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shut up already, damn

  

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12. "I swear I thought of yall okpers when I read this. "
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She irks you? Come on mayne.

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/i-dont-hate-women-candidates-i-just-hated-hillary-and-coincidentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren


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14. "The Native American DNA test shit was a huge misstep"
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it offended a lot of people and made her look really out of touch.

I think she'd probably make a fine president based on her voting record and history of advocacy, but the 'irksome' shit at least partly falls at her own feet.

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15. "Yup...it was borderline incompetence"
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If you going to run and beat Trump, you don't play into his hand.

She should have said "I'll release my DNA test when you release your tax returns" and KIM.

I would love her as Pres, I just worry about her ability to win. That didn't help me feel better.


  

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24. "They all make huge missteps. "
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The way the sexism works is how people take misstep and all of sudden decides its disqualifying and are unable to let it go (i.e., but what about her emails!)

Not wanting to turn this into a defense of HRC. I just hate these vague (irksome) gendered knocks (math teacher) of female candidates that are indistinguishable from thinly layered sexism.



>it offended a lot of people and made her look really out of
>touch.
>
>I think she'd probably make a fine president based on her
>voting record and history of advocacy, but the 'irksome' shit
>at least partly falls at her own feet.


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31. "The math teacher stuff isn't sexist. She's an admitted policy nerd"
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it's her personality. She's big on details (which is good), and love digging in to the weeds. See her campaign announcement rally in Iowa.

The irksome stuff doesn't feel sexist to me either. The way she handled the 'pocahantes' attacks was totally and utterly cringe worthy from start to finish. I imagine it would play out pretty similarly if Bernie, Biden or HRC had claimed native american heritage and gotten exposed (the thought of any of those three pretending to be native american is pretty funny to me though).

No doubt she'll face real sexism during the run, but the 'math teacher' and 'irksome' attacks aren't it in my mind.


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47. "Dude when you see a woman talking details and figures and see Math"
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Teacher instead of a Senator or potentially a President, THAT is 100% sexism.

It's you getting asked "you work here?" in a clothing store just because you happen to be a POC dressed nicely in the store.



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77. "you're reaching man. Bernie had the disheveled professor look himself"
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No one is saying she should actually get out of politics and be a teacher cuz she's a woman. I'd be willing to bet 99% of the people on this board would admit she's a pretty good politician, even. She just seems a little nerdy, scholarly, and academic.

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16. "i voted for hillary and would do it again"
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i would vote for aoc no questions asked

as i said in this thread, i would definitely consider kamala.

this isnt about gender.

biden irks me
warren irks me

i cant explain exactly what i dislike about them but if theyre right on the issues then i would roll with them.

lol i just read the article and its starts off almost saying exactly what i said

but nah that aint me

  

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19. "I’ll vote for whoever the fuck I want. "
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Won’t be shamed into voting for a woman I don’t think can win tho.

shut up already, damn

  

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20. "RE: I’ll vote for whoever the fuck I want. "
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>Won’t be shamed into voting for a woman I don’t think can
>win tho.

Yeah. There is a difference between "I want this person as president" and "I think this person has the best chance to win"


It is fucked up man, it really is- but I don't know if Murrikkka is ready for a woman as president.


That article is clever, sure. But it might actually be making a point that it doesn't intend to make.

  

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21. "i think america is ready"
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maybe im too hopeful though

  

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22. "I wanted Warren to run in 2016 but she wasn’t allowed to"
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Then the Pocahontas shit happened and now she seems kinda corny. Especially with the beer sip on Instagram. Prolly had mineral water in the beer bottle.

shut up already, damn

  

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29. "its a hard call."
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>It is fucked up man, it really is- but I don't know if
>Murrikkka is ready for a woman as president.

i think america was more ready for a black man as prez than a woman because we have been more socialized to see black men in positions of leadership...ceos, head coaches, gangs, action movies, etc.

on the other side...a woman candidate with more political baggage than anyone in modern history got the 2nd most votes ever recorded. more than any white man. and i have a hard time seeing as many dems staying home in 2020 as did in 2016.

so it might just come down to basic fundamentals. the dem base is expanding, getting more female (the gender gap is at its highest ever), and millenials and gen-x-ers are poised to start outvoting boomers and silents (they actually outvoted them in 2016 by a slim margin). a woman being a democratic candidate might be more significant than a democratic candidate being a woman (if that makes sense).

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34. "run that by me again"
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>a woman being a democratic
>candidate might be more significant than a democratic
>candidate being a woman (if that makes sense).

  

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37. "meaning regardless of gender"
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a democratic candidate is gonna have the democratic voting coalition at their disposal. any downside to being a woman candidate could pretty much just be offset by structural/historical voting patterns and party affiliation.

a repub candidate has won the presidential popular vote only 1 time in the last 7 elections. and both bush and trump only won their 1st terms due to some controversial unprecedented fuck shit where they were able to squeak through with less votes. meanwhile dem winners pretty much cruise to victory. that pattern is only accelerating.

one of the blue rust belt states that turned on clinton and put trump in office (michigan)...just elected a ticket comprised entirely of women.

so it might have been more about individual circumstances than gender.

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39. "got ya"
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i wonder how florida is going to go. have they finalized ex-felons being able to vote? will they mostly vote democratic as its been assumed?

theres no question that democrats will get majority votes nationwide but those key states are the part that worries me.

we dont need all of those states that voted for trump to flip back but will definitely need to get some of them.

are there some states that voted for clinton that you are worried could flip red in 2020?

  

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48. "i think florida will go red regardless."
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simply because the repub gov gets to replace 3 liberal state supreme court judges for a 6-1 conservative majority on the bench (elections have consequences). the previous 4-3 liberal majority court actually stopped a lot of voter suppression in past years. now with an overwhelming conservative majority...most of that shit is gonna be rubberstamped.

winning margins in florida are already slim. even a small peel off of dem voters will have a significant impact.

(black) felons being able to vote will help dems. but the gov and repub legislature are already looking for ways to creatively undermine the amendment. and the conserv court will prolly allow it.

>we dont need all of those states that voted for trump to flip
>back but will definitely need to get some of them.

if states vote how they did in 2018...especially in the rust belt (which swung back heavily to dems outside of ohio)...then its a safe dem victory. im more worried about senate races in key red states. because a dem prez winning with a repub majority senate will pretty much be d.o.a.

>are there some states that voted for clinton that you are
>worried could flip red in 2020?

new hampshire could go red. clinton only won by 3k votes and the gov and previous legislature passed a set of laws suppressing the college vote. that could be the difference.

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42. "how about, let's not condone sexism?"
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Ideally, you should vote for who you think would do best in office, not who you think others might find palatable.

But hell, even if you think America is too sexist to elect a woman, that shouldn't be the reason you don't vote for a woman... you end up just supporting the sexists.

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50. "general electability is really important tho."
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which is why some candidates that win a primary might perform worse in a general election than the person they beat.

even if a really liberal/progressive democrat wins the traditional blue electoral college states and gets the victory (the math is in their favor)...they could cost dems important senate and other down ballot races in moderate/conservative districts/states.

repubs did a really good job of falling in line and voting through less extreme candidates this past cycle. even bannon and tea party incumbents were urging people to vote for mainstream repubs and rinos just to make sure repubs won those elections (they would support trumps agenda regardless). they saved themselves from some disappointments in ms, mo, in, etc.

the democratic base has yet to mature to the same level of party discipline and vote strategically in the same way. we are still on some 'vote with your heart/conscience' shit. we still havent fully grasped the idea that you have to first attain power to exert power.

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76. "let me clarify"
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I didn't say I wouldn't vote for a woman. By any means. I hope the primary has Warren, Kamala, and Amy at the very least.


I am just **unsure** if a woman can win a national election, which is fucked up.

That said, Reeq made a good point about MI in here.


Dems do need to consider who has the best chance to WIN. No partying off the popular vote. No moral victories. They need to WIN.

  

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32. "But that whole, "I can't put my finger on why I don't like her""
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Folks should recognize that ALOT of that is ingrained sexism.

It's hard to admit. But its sooo programed in us.

I remember the first time I had a lady airline pilot and I flinched. Took my rationale mind to overcome my instinctive reaction.



>i would vote for aoc no questions asked
>
>as i said in this thread, i would definitely consider kamala.
>
>this isnt about gender.
>
>biden irks me
>warren irks me
>
>i cant explain exactly what i dislike about them but if theyre
>right on the issues then i would roll with them.
>
>lol i just read the article and its starts off almost saying
>exactly what i said
>
>but nah that aint me


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35. "i see your point"
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i really dont think it applies to me. some people just rub you the wrong way.

my company actually has a lot of women as VPs and i think everything would benefit by having more women in power.

i wouldnt say all power positions should be filled by women but that they should be filled by the best person. currently that ratio doesnt add up. there should definitely be more women in power than there are.

i do think i have a bias against age, and maybe being stereotypically "white" if im completely honest. so that might make me shy away from a candidate at first but these are just initial feelings. i will give them all a chance.

  

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59. "^^^ YES"
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>Folks should recognize that ALOT of that is ingrained sexism.
>
>
>It's hard to admit. But its sooo programed in us.
>
>I remember the first time I had a lady airline pilot and I
>flinched. Took my rationale mind to overcome my instinctive
>reaction.
>
>
>
>>i would vote for aoc no questions asked
>>
>>as i said in this thread, i would definitely consider
>kamala.
>>
>>this isnt about gender.
>>
>>biden irks me
>>warren irks me
>>
>>i cant explain exactly what i dislike about them but if
>theyre
>>right on the issues then i would roll with them.
>>
>>lol i just read the article and its starts off almost saying
>>exactly what i said
>>
>>but nah that aint me
>
>
>**********
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>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
>
>"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

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79. "At first I thought I the same thing but....."
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then I realized I really didn't like how she pandered to people.

Every time she was around black people, Hillary tried to 'act black'--whether it was wearing the big mama church hat at a black church (her words: I don't feel no ways tired) or the hot sauce thing (which was so obvious it made Charlamagne cringe on the spot).

Also, the fact that Hillary couldn't admit that using the term 'superpredator' was a problem even after the man who coined the term denounced it was telling.



Having said that, I voted for her.

  

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84. "there were real issues with hillary"
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not her emails. i thought the good did outweigh the bad but she was a very flawed candidate and not just because she could lose. her past policy and statements were troubling. she would had been 1,000 times better than trump so there was zero doubt about voting for her though.

  

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93. "This is true for sure."
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The hot sauce thing was particularly egregious. I don't think I've ever cringed so hard.

Honestly that was the first time I thought to myself "shit she may actually lose this thing" haha. No joke. Before that I was ignoring all the warning signs (while subconsciously knowing the possibility was very real). But in that moment I was thinking, wow, fuck, she actually is kinda unlikable.


>then I realized I really didn't like how she pandered to
>people.
>
>Every time she was around black people, Hillary tried to 'act
>black'--whether it was wearing the big mama church hat at a
>black church (her words: I don't feel no ways tired) or the
>hot sauce thing (which was so obvious it made Charlamagne
>cringe on the spot).
>
>Also, the fact that Hillary couldn't admit that using the term
>'superpredator' was a problem even after the man who coined
>the term denounced it was telling.
>
>
>
>Having said that, I voted for her.

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17. "*sips beer"
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Nah, she just doesn’t have that big personality to be prez

shut up already, damn

  

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87. "*Slaps Forehead*"
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As a black man who goes to interview for jobs it drives me crazy to hear women and POC dismissed for jobs with bullshit intangibles like this.

George HW Bush, Jimmy Carter, Gerald Ford had the big personality for President?


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18. "lol damn that is accurate"
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25. "no dem should run on medicare for all. its a political loser."
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out of the 40 house seats that dems flipped in nov...only 1 ran on medicare for all. and she was just part of a larger wave that wiped the entire gop out of orange country in cali. everyone else ran on strengthening/improving obamacare and protecting pre-existing conditions. even some repubs won by lying and saying they wanted to build on obamacare and protect pre-existing conditions (despite voting against it).

in fact...bernie kinda gifted the gop their most potent attack in the midterms. repubs just called dem candidates nationwide socialists and said they wanna take medicare from older people and give it to everyone else while raising everyones taxes to do it. they even did it to dem candidates who didnt support m4all...which lets you know the polling/feedback they got for the attack was positive. it hurt andrew gillum in florida and he had to back away from explicitly supporting m4all and just endorse generic 'universal coverage'. the moderate/educated suburbs that handed dems the house arent really big on m4all and could easily shift back to moderate socially liberal repub candidates who just pledge to make obamacare cheaper.

regardless of how much the overton window has shifted on the *discussion* of healthcare...healthcare reform in the united states is still a political third rail. clinton/dems got beat up for pursuing it. obama got his healthcare policy through due to a rare senate supermajority and unified control of government. but he was rewarded with the biggest midterm beatdown for any party since 1948. and we will be living out the ramifications of that loss for an entire generation or longer.

in general...when you propose something new...it gives your opponents the advantage of being able to define it because so much of it is unknown/unproven. in fact...fdr wanted universal healthcare as part of the new deal. but repubs effectively characterized it as a socialist plot to racially integrate hospitals. repubs characterized obamacare as death panel enactment. and now they have a proven line of attack on medicare for all. they could also paint it as a killer of jobs in the private healthcare industry. all of this at a time when americans are becoming more distrustful of government and its institutions.

just because its the best/right policy doesnt mean its right politically. i mean...dem policies are on the popular side of damn near every major political issue (wages, guns, etc) but how has that worked out?

and polls showing how popular medicare for all is are somewhat misleading. poll numbers decrease significantly when you tell people that they might have to pay more for it (even if it saves them more in the long run). that was a hard sell for bernie during the 2016 campaign and will still be hard to sell in 2020.

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28. "You could apply this same logic to literally any progressive legislation"
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So why should Dems do anything?

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36. "not really true. you cant assess it through broad brush strokes."
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its on a policy by policy basis.

increasing the minimum wage isnt as polarizing as revamping our entire healthcare system. neither is campaign finance reform. neither is paid sick/family/vacation leave. neither is expanded early childhood education. neither is felon voting re-enfranchisement. or increasing voting access in general. or independent redistricting commissions. or decriminalization of marijuana. even on the healthcare front...medicaid expansion isnt as polarizing as medicare for all.

a criminal justice reform bill just passed through congress on a bipartisan basis and was signed by trump. nobody is gonna pay a political consequence for that.

just in the last midterms alone...ballot initiatives were approved in states across the country dealing with the policies i mentioned above. by significant bipartisan coalitions of voters. even in red states.

the same broad consensus and momentum isnt there for medicare for all.

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41. "RE: not really true. you cant assess it through broad brush strokes."
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>its on a policy by policy basis.
>
>increasing the minimum wage isnt as polarizing as revamping
>our entire healthcare system. neither is campaign finance
>reform. neither is paid sick/family/vacation leave. neither
>is expanded early childhood education. neither is felon
>voting re-enfranchisement. or increasing voting access in
>general. or independent redistricting commissions. or
>decriminalization of marijuana. even on the healthcare
>front...medicaid expansion isnt as polarizing as medicare for
>all.

Those things would only become more polarized the more an incoming Dem president pushed for them. There was nothing controversial about the idea of a stimulus package in an economic downturn. Or raising the debt ceiling. Or for that matter, the basic policies of the ACA. Until Fox News told their audience these were things to be hated and feared and it became Kenyan Islamo-Marxism.

Have there been that many polls done on felon re-enfranchisement? I know it passed in Florida, but nationally it hasn't been talked about very much. Only exception is maybe marijuana legalization.

>a criminal justice reform bill just passed through congress on
>a bipartisan basis and was signed by trump. nobody is gonna
>pay a political consequence for that.

A criminal justice reform bill that will help a small fraction of the incarcerated population and gives a shit ton of money to private prisons. I don't think that's the approach you want to take with healthcare, though.

>just in the last midterms alone...ballot initiatives were
>approved in states across the country dealing with the
>policies i mentioned above. by significant bipartisan
>coalitions of voters. even in red states.

You can't really test something like M4A on that kind of basis, as it would be impossible to implement at a state level.

Nothing is static, of course. Anything could become more/less popular over time. Including M4A, which is significantly more popular now than it was three years ago. I just don't see why THIS is where we should say "can never happen, don't even try, losing issue," because we wouldn't approach any other major problem this way.

If anything that the 46th president does is going to be ripped apart by bad-faith efforts from Republicans, why play into their hands by limiting your agenda? Unless you just personally think it would be bad policy, which is something else entirely.

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30. "one of the candidates will find a way to pitch it right"
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a way to neutralize the GOP attacks on it and make it attractive. im going to be surprised if the GOP candidate is attacking M4A in the general campaign.

  

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46. "why wouldnt they?"
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>im going to be surprised if the GOP candidate is
>attacking M4A in the general campaign.

people supporting m4a virtually got shut out of competitive races in the midterms. actually blew winnable races in places like nebraska because they were too far left on the issue. the issue was only a winner in already-blue enclaves where any dem would pretty much win. it wasnt even part of winning campaigns in crucial races in ever-blue-ing virginia. so why would you expand that to a national campaign?

repubs can point to the failure of single payer in bernies own state of vermont. thats the type of simple bumperstickering that would pretty much define the entire convo around it in a presidential election. what are dems gonna counter with? it works in norway? lol.

like in the midterms...repubs can just say 'dems are coming to take your healthcare and tax you more to give it to other people' to old people. it doesnt even have to be factually correct. catchy fearmongering works. individual dem candidates were saved by not actually running on m4a. what happens when one does now?

why do you think barely a small handful of dem governors (who have to interact with the actual people in their states every day) endorse medicare for all?

its advocates are so loud...people think its a lot more robust of a campaign issue than actual election results have shown. it was basically forced into the main party platform by hostage negotiation after 2016 and not through organic elevation by dem voters in the states. is that the type of policy you wanna hang the fate of your whole party on?

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51. "Could try "Our current system is cruel and unsustainable""
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>what are dems gonna counter with? it works in norway? lol.

And not get okie doked by all of the "how will it be paid for" bad faith questions.

Our system costs more than M4A would by a couple trillion, it just mostly goes to prescriptions and administrative costs instead of actual health care.

Make them actually DEFEND the status quo. Why is that good? Why should people possibly be forced into the choice of bankruptcy or death after losing a job? Why is money that goes from the bank accounts of American citizens to the federal government wrong but more money coming from the bank accounts of American citizens to Aetna (and getting worse care in return) a good thing? Make them make the case for a system that leaves most of the country at a disadvantage for the benefit of a relative handful.

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64. "brother youre preaching to the already converted."
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>And not get okie doked by all of the "how will it be paid for"
>bad faith questions.

media falls back on unoriginal/predictable shit like this but it does come from a real place. the price tag for single payer has killed it at the state level. thats been documented. so repubs have that card in their hand. dems only have hypotheses and projections.

everything youve said is valid. its also a lot more complex for voters to digest than 'bernies plan failed in bernies state'.

think 'obamas gun plan failed in obamas state'. the nuances are largely irrelevant among the general populace.

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56. "its a hunch"
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cant really back it up. i just feel the tide has shifted and it will show in 2020.

  

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7. "how the fuck is going to clear her history? "
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8. "what are the hangups?"
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and is she not allowed to have developed her policies since then?
i dont know much about her really.

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13. "She's kind of a mixed bag as a prosecuter/AG"
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she did go against Police and law enforcement issues on some stuff, but on others she was pretty status quo/conservative.

She was fairly pro-death penalty and pro-three strikes. I can't recall off the top, but there's some other stuff that made me do a double take. There's obviously some nuance that i'm leaving out, but it's stuff that might hurt her a bit in the primaries, but weirdly might help in the general with 'MERICANS!' were she to be the nominee.

Getting put on as Willie Brown's side piece also makes me nervous that she could have some real skeletons in the closet. In California we don't really give a shit about that messiness (see our gubernatorial election last year), but nationally it might be something that gets brought up.

She's not perfect, but fuck it, throw her in the mix and see what her platform is.

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23. "Drumpf will trot out every single undocumented immigrant..."
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...ever busted for jay-walking in San Francisco during her watch. Not to mention any the committed serious offenses.

Plus him and his crew will almost certainly run a "she slept her way to the top!" smear campaign, which would be inaccurate, but knowing how things work in this country, effective.

I like Harris a lot, but putting her out in front would play into exactly what Drumpf wants.

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27. "She also refused to prosecute Steve Mnuchin's predatory bank"
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In what I'm sure is just a coincidence, he donated to her campaign (she was the only D he donated to that cycle.)

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40. "that thing about an "affair" with willie brown...."
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>Getting put on as Willie Brown's side piece also makes me
>nervous that she could have some real skeletons in the closet.
> In California we don't really give a shit about that
>messiness (see our gubernatorial election last year), but
>nationally it might be something that gets brought up.


brown was separated from his wife for 10 years when he and Kamala hooked up. And it was already an open secret at the time. I doubt that'll be an issue at all.

  

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43. "eh i think you give the american ppl too much credit there."
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folks arent gonna go fact check that once someone lobs it at her.

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45. "meh"
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im not giving credit. depending on how the media runs it. (if they even bother to do it), no one is really going to care because brown was separated from his wife. Only time will tell. See what happens.

  

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49. "people dont realize how vulnerable a 2nd term candidate trump is."
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just for the simple fact that its hard to directly attack his opponent in a lot of areas because trump is guilty of the same thing.

like do you really wanna attack kamala on adultery, or biden on #metoo, or beto on inexperience, etc?

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52. "I definitely think he could be more vulnerable"
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as an incumbent with an actual record to run against. His entire 2016 campaign was based around him being a master of all things who would be able to do what nobody else could by sheer will. Obviously, he didn't live up to that.

Of course, this should've worked against Bush in 04 (remember in 2000 when he was the "compassionate conservative" and then immediately stopped pretending once he got in?) But we're also not 3 years removed from 9/11.

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63. "one of the biggest political cons of all time."
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>But we're also
>not 3 years removed from 9/11.

made a safe air national guardsman look more patriotic/heroic than an actual combat vet and medal recipient.

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247. "yep."
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>made a safe air national guardsman look more patriotic/heroic
>than an actual combat vet and medal recipient.

on another note, we'd be 2 years removed from a Government Shutdown... that he caused, over that stupid wall

even BUSH didn't have that problem

  

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249. "His only defense is his offense"
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>just for the simple fact that its hard to directly attack his
>opponent in a lot of areas because trump is guilty of the same
>thing.
>
>like do you really wanna attack kamala on adultery, or biden
>on #metoo, or beto on inexperience, etc?


He'll say if he'd cheated, it would've been just what virile, rich, and powerful men like him do..... to "loose" women like Harris.

And his #MeToo allegations are #FakeNews but Biden is the real monster.

And he's gonna roast Beto like he's Justin Beiber.

Dude has no shame; I don't think any opponent should count on him pulling his punches bc his hands are dirty too.

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26. "i'd take her over biden but not warren."
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38. "Bernie 2020"
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53. "FUCK NO. he will be 80 in 2020. Goddamn we can do better. "
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44. "I'm not excited by any of the names offered to date TBH"
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Beto Lost
Bernie OLd
KamaLa taLks a good one...ain't do shit
Warren Lies about Harvard advertising her as a minority professor
Biden OLd too

Dems gonna fuck this up again.

The party needs a fresh face, with fresh ideas...and can Win

I don't see it yet

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54. "Always sounds weird when people say Beto lost Texas"
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Like it was Cali

He didn’t snatch defeat from victory. He almost pulled off the impossible.

shut up already, damn

  

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57. "Oh...you think the general public understands nuance and context"
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Beto gets on stage

LOSER!!! Lou who who LOSER!!!

That's all Trump will have to say to brand him...just like he did crooked hillary

lil' marco
lying ted
low energy jeb
etc...

He Lost to Ted Cruz...what makes you think he can beat Trump?

SMH...Ted Cruz man

+ he keeps stating definitively, that he's not running in 2020

I'd expect he ends up VP...maybe...on somebody else's ticket

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60. "this is the one i'm waiting to be answered"
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>He Lost to Ted Cruz...what makes you think he can beat Trump?

  

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65. "WTF? He doesn’t need Texas to win. "
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Y’all really don’t understand how impossible it is to beat a republican in Texas?

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67. "TX flipped 12 state house seats and 2 state senate seats in the last ele..."
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apparently, it's not as impossible as you think.

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68. "fam that was largely because of betos coat tails lol."
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you do know how down ballot races work right?

a rising tide at the top of the ticket lifts all boats. most voters dont even know who their local candidates are. but they come out to vote for major office candidates than just vote straight ticket down the ballot.

all of the major cities in texas went blue for the first time ever because of beto.

beto flipping tarrant county to blue benefited dem candidates around fort worth (including that state senate seat). beto overperforming in major suburbs carried those candidates over the finish line too.

beto killing it in harris county swept 17 black female judges into office.

these folks won *because* of beto. not despite him.

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70. "You think that was by accident? "
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Locally I’m sure Dems can win in urban areas but the whole state? That’s still years away.

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73. "more like ted cruz sux"
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its not about texas its about how much of a peed-on area rug that cruz is

and if this country hasn't proven itself to be a maxed-out-texas (relative to how wonky politics is these days) then I must be missing something


also do note all this is said in a very "its late Thursday" I ain't that pressed kinda way

  

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66. "Yes. The general public understands it was TEXAS"
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Y’all scare me.

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69. "yeah i try not to insult or make fun of people but this is bad."
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71. "Folks keep saying he lost like it was a layup. "
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Beto was trying to bank a 3 pointer of lthe scoreboard like in the MJ commercial and he hit the rim.



shut up already, damn

  

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72. "smh dude said the general public doesnt get nuance and context"
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75. "Not to mention"
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Who is going to decide to NOT vote for Beto because he lost Texas?


I don't get that logic. "Well I was going to vote for the Dem candidate, I like what he says, etc...but then I found out he lost to Ted Cruz"

Murrikkka elected an incompetent reality TV star as president in 2016...but a guy who barely lost TX isn't feasible?

The ticket just has to carry the rust belt.


There are definitely folks in here who don't seem to get how much money dude raised, how much he helped down ticket candidates, and how impressive it was that he got that close.

Its motherfucking Texas.


  

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78. "Not sure how anyone can type that out and then hit post"
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and think they have a good argument

We aren’t winning Texas.

It’s definitely all about winning the rust belt and if he can almost beat Cruz it means he knows how to get that Bama vote in the middle of PA. He doesn’t need much to flip PA, Mich and Wisc.

shut up already, damn

  

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80. "I said GENERAL PUBLIC. The same general public that elected Trump..."
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...on the perception he's a successful business man

Despite evidence to the contrary

It's not about me, you, Reeq,etc...

You expect that same general public to understand down ballot candidates?

C'mon

I'm buying Beto for VP

As a POTUS candidate vs Trump...he will absolutely be presented as a Loser.

+Beto looks like the type of dude to cry in public when insulted...just sayin

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81. "Everyone is going to be presented as a loser by Trump"
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But we aren’t trying to convince Trump supporters

I think there are enough folks who regret their vote and some that stayed home that will vote for a guy like Beto over Trump.

Again, we don’t need a ton of votes. Just a chosen few in a few swing states.

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90. "RE: we don’t need a ton of votes. Just a chosen few in a few swing sta..."
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That sounds familiar

How'd that work out last time...

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94. "So nominate someone who can't be criticized or insulted?"
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I agree, Superman would make an excellent candidate, but he's not eligible on account of his Kryptonian birth and fictional character status.

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95. "It's a personality contest...not a policy contest"
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vs Trump, you need yuge personality that can command the room

It's not about being perfect

It's about standing on that stage and not getting sonned by his antics

HRC ethered him on any debate of policy

yet...the memorable clips from those debates are him threatening to lock her up, and doing laps in the background while she spoke

IMO, I haven't seen a candidate offered to date that I'm confident can give it as good as they get it from Trump

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96. "do you actually like anybody? like who would you put up?"
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98. "I'm not picking a candidate over a year and a half ahead of the election"
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Again, how'd that workout last time

Again, I haven't seen a candidate offered to date that I'm confident can Win

I'm hoping that candidate hasn't been offered yet...I'll let you know if that changes.

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102. "no i mean is there any politician in america you would like to see run?"
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like in your free time when you arent just shitting on everyone else...who do you actually support?

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168. "Looks like I'm going to just put my support behind Bernie again"
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I still believe in his policies

obviously the age is a bigger problem 4 years later

but I am encouraged by the shift that seems to be imminent in the democratic party

I'll continue to support Bernie until there is a candidate that picks up the baton and continues his fight.

I like Nina Turner and I would vote for her in a heartbeat

A Nina Turner POTUS/Bernie Sanders VP ticket is probably my dream come true right now

What we have to agree upon is, there is no perfect candidate

Turning over rocks to find flaws doesn't help any of us

I want to hear policies and how candidates are going to move the country forward

Not NRA ratings and old tweets.

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99. "I don't think out trolling him will work or be particularly productive"
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He's less popular than I think you think and someone calling him "Dumb Donald" or whatever for six months isn't actually going to excite people.

And before you respond with "oh, so you think Hillary should run again, hmmmmm," no, I do not. I just don't think liberal boomer Facebook burns are going to be the magic bullet.

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100. "Wild Hunnid"
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Think about this

Trump leveraged the FBI announcement, etc...which was a major factor in the election

and wasn't POTUS

Now that he is...whoever gets the D nod...is going to face off vs Trump WITH the power of the office behind him

Safe bet, regardless of the nominee, there will be scandal and dirt, etc...

The nominee needs to be able to not only weather that storm, but hit back.


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104. "What do you mean by "hit back" though?"
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Because earlier you were talking about "Lyin Ted" and "Low energy Jeb" like we need our own version of that.

If that's hitting back, it's not going to work.

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107. "Where? Surely not for Hillary. "
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Folks thought she has it in a landslide

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55. "We should just make..."
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Obama wear a moustache and run him as "Barry Ho" the hella chill guy from Hawaii, you know "Ho" he's like part Asian or something..I think. PLEASE VOTE FOR HIM.

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61. "Bring back Martin O'Malley"
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I'm kidding

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62. "Tim Kaine for the W."
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74. "richard ojeda just announced he is running lol."
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https://twitter.com/VoteOjeda2020/status/1083466588454567936

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82. "Yeah, I feel like "guy who voted for Trump in 16" isn't going to do well"
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83. "he was one of the weirder 'progressive' darlings in 2018."
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voted for trump, was pro-coal, and didnt support medicare for all (supported public option for obamacare).

his abortion rights history was iffy too...but at least he came around for his campaign.

his schtick works in wv (not enough to win lol) but he is gonna look like a complete clown on a national level next to serious policy experts like harris and warren.

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110. "Right? did Trump change when he got into office? lol"
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89. "He won't win, but he's definitely USEFUL"
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He projects an image of strength/sounds like he'll smash somebody in the face which is something the party has been lacking

Whoever does win the nomination would do well to make use on the campaign trail to siphon votes in those close districts.

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101. "He should run for Senate or take another House shot"
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All these people want to go straight form whatever to president. If we had a few more bodies in the Senate, there might be an actual shot of getting something passed in the next president's first term.

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85. "Get ready for "Any woman but her""
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86. "Which one? "
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91. "Bruh, even the skeptics in the post voting for either over 45"
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https://www.instagram.com/sbmission365/

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88. "I don't think it's insignificant that she'll have the AKA vote on lock."
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And not just on lock but enthusiastic. Especially in the primaries. Maybe the entire BGLO/HBCU vote as well.

  

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106. "what black woman wouldn't? didn't 98% of black women vote for Hillary?"
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97. "beto doing interview with oprah in times square."
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https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1083821956519129089

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103. "LOL@Beta"
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105. "and so it begins... "
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shut up already, damn

  

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109. "its on!"
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108. "gilibrand 2020 lets get it "
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113. "has she announced?"
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I don't know much about her, other than the Franken and Clinton stuff.

  

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111. "tulsi gabbard is in."
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https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1083868200968863751

i wonder if some of these people really feel like they have a shot at winning.

i wonder if shes running as a younger proxy for bernie.

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112. "Me too. Rehearsing for a cabinet position?"
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Hopefully she is a quick out. I want a real primary this time, but I don't think having 10+ options for weeks/months on end would be good.

To your Bernie point, if he runs, maybe she ends up fucking him over by taking some of his votes.

  

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114. "If Bernie was smart - he'd back Tulsi."
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perhaps even be named as her VP pick if she gets that far.

Tulsi has shown incredible courage and judgment for being so young. Despite her age, she's seen a lot and has conducted herself with dignity and authenticity.

I can make a case (and would be happy to debate it) that she's the strongest candidate in the mix right now -- but whether voters will agree is another question, but she does already have a very loyal, spirited grass-roots base that is already growing - and it's not just made up of progressives or "Berniecrats" - it's also attracted independents, who she can credibly appeal to.


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116. "she has the largest vulnerabilities in the race imo."
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to the point where you could legitimately question whether shes a real progressive/democrat. thats not good heading into a democratic primary.

like how do you overcome questions about being anti-lgbtq, anti-muslim, pro-assad/putin, etc all at once to string together support from a democratic base thats largely on the other side of those issues now?

like im not sure why any progressives consider her progressive when she didnt support medicare for all or join the progressive caucus until mid/late 2017, wanted to restrict the admission of syrian/muslim refugees, voted to allow mentally ill people to carry guns, lied about not accepting wall street donations in the past, voted against the house progressive caucus budget the last 2 times it came up for a floor vote before 2017, and went on fox news and criticized obama for not using the term 'radical islamic terrorism'.

it honestly baffles me that 'progressives' support her...because her history is notably more conservative than obama/clinton (who they criticize for not being left enough).

if she didnt endorse bernie in 2016...his supporters would prolly be calling her a blue dog democrat/dino and trying to primary her. and they would be justified.

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120. "but Kamala's a cop!"
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121. "lol they gotta come up with better smear campaigns."
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black people should reject the 1st black attorney general of ca.
beto took money from fossil fuel employees in a state dominated by fossil fuel jobs.
theyre prolly gonna say there are 2 julian castros and we dont know which one to trust lol.

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122. "RE: lol they gotta come up with better smear campaigns."
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>theyre prolly gonna say there are 2 julian castros and we dont
>know which one to trust lol.

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123. "this is why this primary is going to be so fascinating"
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In many ways - I see it playing to where a popularized perception of a candidate will dominate over the actual reality of who that candidate is (just as we're saying with the portrayal of AOC right now in the big 3 media).

>to the point where you could legitimately question whether
>shes a real progressive/democrat. thats not good heading into
>a democratic primary.

That sounds familiar as a tactic to de-legitimize a candidate (there was some who even cited Bernie as "not a real progressive" and many said he wasn't a real democratc, of course, and never dealt with his policy)

But what is a "real progressive/democrat" mean? It's different depending on who you ask.

>like how do you overcome questions about being anti-lgbtq,
>anti-muslim, pro-assad/putin, etc all at once to string
>together support from a democratic base thats largely on the
>other side of those issues now?

She doesn't have to overcome those things, because she isn't those things. re: "anti-lgbtq" - perhaps you're referring to her views in her early 20's after being raised by a fundamentalist father who was indeed an anti-lgbtq activist - but Tulsi is not her father. She did a 180 in her 20's and came into her own beliefs after shaking free of that programming - and now celebrates gay-marriage and even came up here to do a speak with a pro-lgbtq organization (Rights & Democracy) to advocate for lgbtq rights.

Re: "pro-assad/putin" - lol, c'mon - because she visited Syria, met with Assad - and doesn't adopt the NeoCon foreign policy establishment without questioning it? She actually said that Assad should be prosecuted and executed *if* he was behind the chemical attacks. She is absolutely correct in pointing out the lack of principle in out interventionist policy, and to call out Obama and now Trump for aiding ISIS directly and indirectly in Syria and in the broader region - while claiming to conduct a "war against terror" in an effort to destabilize as many regions as possible (which is the PNAC creed) and transform the mid-east to the benefit of saudia arabia & israel in their obsession with destroying iran.

>like im not sure why any progressives consider her progressive
>when she didnt support medicare for all or join the
>progressive caucus until mid/late 2017,

But she does support medicare for all. Again, the inaccurate reporting on what her actual, current positions are is astounding.

wanted to restrict the
>admission of syrian/muslim refugees,

I definitely disagreed with her there, but she has also come around on that issue.

voted against the house progressive
>caucus budget the last 2 times it came up for a floor vote
>before 2017, and went on fox news and criticized obama for not
>using the term 'radical islamic terrorism'.

Her take on that was almost identical to Maajid Nawaz - in that she wasn't saying that like it's being portrayed to be "anti-islamic". She was criticizing our foreign policy for aiding ISIS, Al-Qaeda and other extremist groups while claiming to be fighting the war on terror. She has stood in solidarity with Muslims who are being savaged by those extremist groups, and has argued that we aren't doing that when our policies have only contributed to the rise of extremism in the region - and she's right.

>it honestly baffles me that 'progressives' support
>her...because her history is notably more conservative than
>obama/clinton (who they criticize for not being left enough).

Obama/Clinton were never as progressive as she is right now - but she's not a partisan loyalist, and that rubs some people wrong.

>if she didnt endorse bernie in 2016...his supporters would
>prolly be calling her a blue dog democrat/dino and trying to
>primary her. and they would be justified.

There was an effort to primary her but it fell short because of the reliance on narrative spin as opposed to what her actual policies are.


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128. "heres some quick reading material to brush up on her history."
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it may fill in some of the holes you have on her record.

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/05/tulsi-gabbard-president-sanders-democratic-party

just posted a lil earlier:
https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/1084190704816087042

jacobin is a well-known lefty rag and mehdi hasan is a staff writer for theintercept. if shes even getting heavy criticism from *them* then its gonna hard for her to find a path forward.


>But she does support medicare for all. Again, the inaccurate
>reporting on what her actual, current positions are is
>astounding.

you misread my comment. im saying she didnt support it (or even join the progressive caucus) til mid/late last year.

here she is with an f rating from progressivepunch.org based on her actual voting history. shes a member of the progressive caucus but shes ranked below tim ryan.
http://progressivepunch.org/scores.htm?house=house

the more i think think about it...the more im beginning to think only die-hard sanders supporters think she is a progressive. general progressives seem to be able to see her for who she really is.


>There was an effort to primary her but it fell short because
>of the reliance on narrative spin as opposed to what her
>actual policies are.

it wasnt by bernie supporters is my point. 'ourrevolution' endorsed her while they attacked much less conservative democrats. her opponent was actually more progressive and further left than her but it didnt matter to bernies group. weird right?

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140. "Yea i read all those pieces over the weekend."
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>jacobin is a well-known lefty rag and mehdi hasan is a staff
>writer for theintercept. if shes even getting heavy criticism
>from *them* then its gonna hard for her to find a path
>forward.

A lot of the Jacobin critique was based on stances that she no longer holds. I'm dealing with what she currently votes for, advocates for and believes in - i.e. what her policies are *now*

What's interesting about the Hasan critique is that if you actually look into it, Gabbard's over-arching policy in the mid-east is essentially identical to Hasan's (who has called out the U.S./Saudi/Israeli plot to transform the mid-east in their favor).

Listen to what she said even on Van Jones last night about Syria -- she said that our troops shouldn't be there to further a proxy war that is aimed to precipitate regime change in Iran. We are only authorized to be there to oust al-qaeda & ISIS - and that's not why we're there. In fact, we've aided them (directly and indirectly) in an effort to top Assad and create regime-change there. That's precisely what Hasan has been speaking out against for years.

Saying you're not in support of regime-change in Syria is *not* the same as being pro-Assad. Many were not pro Saddam Hussein but they did not want to go to war and install a faux-government there in his place (for fear of the vacuum that would be created) --- and they were right.

>you misread my comment. im saying she didnt support it (or
>even join the progressive caucus) til mid/late last year.

Ok - but look at her on the issues:

https://www.votetulsi.com/vision

Progressive AF. This whole "she didn't join this D group or that D group" sounds an awful lot like "Bernie's not a real Democrat" type of smearing. Let's look at her actual policies and not what gang she claims

>the more i think think about it...the more im beginning to
>think only die-hard sanders supporters think she is a
>progressive. general progressives seem to be able to see her
>for who she really is.

If there were the case - you wouldn't have everyone in progressive independent media from TYT to The Real News supporting her candidacy - because they actually understand what her policy positions are.



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141. "she ain't moonwalked from Modi"
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146. "I'm not denying that Tulsi is a paradox for Dems"
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She is - and the response to her announcement illustrates that. She's not perfect, and certainly has her flaws.

I'm just curious as to why the scrutiny on other candidates already announced (and those who are set to announce) isn't so pre-manufactured and passionate - and I'm surmising a lot of it has to do with Dem old-guard forces that feel jilted after she resigned from the DNC as Vice Chair after calling out the inequitable adjudication of the 2016 Dem Primary.

Along with her foreign policy (which I rock with heavily) - I'll ride with somebody with that kind of conviction in the face of power any day over cookie-cutter Dems who are too afraid to say/do anything that clashes with party orthodoxy.

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149. "conviction = flip flopping on just about everything?"
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if anything...her conservative views were more contrarian and made her more independent within the party.

the shit she supposedly supports now is en vogue within the party.

the dem conservative subgroup is way smaller than the dem progressive subgroup. she did the political equivalent of bandwagoning in the playoffs.

she would have exemplified 'conviction' if she actually stuck to her guns and didnt switch up when it was convenient.

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154. "Fam I have yet to hear the FOR argument"
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First up, the idea that we are post partisan is news
to me.

Second, how would she rally different groups if
she can’t rally Dems?


And, i keep reading “she’s evolved”....k, to what?

And it seems like code for “she isn’t awful anymore,
I promise”

But....what specifically is “exciting” about her to
people? Does she have some unique agenda
or ideas I’m unaware of?


And how do you shake a Bannon co-sign?


Cuz if the gist of the argument is she favors
standard progressive Dem positions and
she doesn’t hate gays anymore and oh
the term “radical Islam” is no longer important
to her....etc

Then what is special about her? That she has
“Evolved”?

  

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156. "yeah she basically just 'evolved' into a mainstream dem lol. "
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which would be incredibly convenient if you were planning on running for president in the democratic party in a few years lol.

>And, i keep reading “she’s evolved”....k, to what?

the same folks who give tulsi a pass on 'evolving' werent willing to give clinton the same benefit of the doubt (gay marriage, tpp, etc). not to compare them to trump supporters...but the blatant hypocrisy in the face of past behavior is way too obvious.

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143. "bernie has been remarkably consistent for decades"
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on just about every issue but guns tho.

>Progressive AF. This whole "she didn't join this D group or
>that D group" sounds an awful lot like "Bernie's not a real
>Democrat" type of smearing. Let's look at her actual policies
>and not what gang she claims

tulsi just started championing a progressive platform after 2016. completely flipped on major issues with no real reasoning.

if conor lamb or tim ryan suddenly started acting like alexandria ocasio-cortez...'progressives' would be roasting them lol.

shit pelosi has voted more progressive than tulsi her entire career and 'progressives' treat her like ted cruz lol.



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153. "that he has. Nobody has the long-standing credibility of Bernie"
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when it comes to championing Progressive values. He's done it longer and with more passion than anybody in the House or Senate - and he's been stunningly consistent and resolute.

>tulsi just started championing a progressive platform after
>2016. completely flipped on major issues with no real
>reasoning.
>
>if conor lamb or tim ryan suddenly started acting like
>alexandria ocasio-cortez...'progressives' would be roasting
>them lol.

I do think that Tulsi's background will be a significant hurdle for her - particularly with Democratic voters who want to re-litigate 2016 and blame Tulsi (along with Russia, Bernie, Jill Stein and Alf) for Hillary's defeat. But she's not trying to be AOC - she has a wholly distinctive identity that is progressive, but it's also post-partisan and independent of standard party dogma in many ways (which incidentally, is also a feature of AOC). Tulsi's approach has a universal message to it - and it's very much global in scope. There is no candidate who is running right now who understands peace & war in a complicated global order better than Tulsi. You've never even heard Warren talk about foreign policy - and if she does - she sounds uncomfortable and wants to pivot to a different domestic item.

When it comes to being "progressive" (whatever that means now) - you could certainly make the case that other candidates (Warren, Bernie) are more progressive. But I don't think you can find a candidate right now that is both progressive and can credibly dissent with party orthodoxy in a way that doesn't just appeal to progressives on the left, but also to independents and a growing voter bloc that is not particularly interested in partisan identity.




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155. "So...what’s her message?"
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What specifically do you like about her?


And don’t get me wrong, I’m here all day for folks
bucking the party....but I’d like to hear something
specific.

What is her unique message, exactly?

  

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130. "apparently she was pro-zionist just 3 years ago too lol."
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DwvZ7heXcAE3pjU.jpg

who knows where she stands now...lol

cmon vex...youre my guy...but if this was somebody who never endorsed sanders and suddenly became progressive a year or two ago...you know his folks would be calling her a phony progressive just faking the funk for political opportunism.

you know how i know its true? because they did it in michigan to a candidate who didnt have half the anti-progressive history baggage that gabbard has (he was running against an 'our revolution'/'justice democrats' candidate).
https://www.facebook.com/justicedemocrats/posts/shri-thanedar-is-a-fraud-a-millionaire-who-is-pretending-to-run-as-a-progressive/433580157082730/

sandersnistas got on hillary for changing her stance on *one issue* (gay marriage) in 2013. tulsi basically changed her entire political identity in 2016/2017 lol.

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117. "it looks like russian bots/troll are starting to line up behind tulsi."
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https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/1084076284098039809

people better keep an eye on her campaign financing.

def puts this old tweet in better context.
https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/649615636088365058

'progressives' say shes anti-war/intervention but apparently shes pro-bombing-muslims-in-other-sovereign-countries-15-years-after-9/11.

honestly she runs the same pro-putin/russia loose/crude logic that rt and tucker carlson employ (and trump tried for a while). 'we should actually be bombing al qaeda *with* putin because they attacked us way back on 9/11'.

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118. "damn that tweet is damning."
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yikes.

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124. "ah, the "Tulsi is a pro-Assad Putin puppet!" tweets came early"
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>def puts this old tweet in better context.
>https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/649615636088365058
>
>'progressives' say shes anti-war/intervention but apparently
>shes
>pro-bombing-muslims-in-other-sovereign-countries-15-years-after-9/11.

What does that actually mean? Her point in that tweet was pointing out the absurdity of our involvement in Syria. Our stated mission was to "defeat ISIS" - but Putin & Iran were actually doing that, yet we tried to thwart their effort because of the pro-Saudi, pro-Israeli position that we serve to oust Assad (who is supported by Iran).

It's way more complicated than most people want to accept - and to say that she is "pro-bombing Muslims" is absurd. You can disagree w/ her policy without falsely accusing her of wanting to bomb Muslims.

>honestly she runs the same pro-putin/russia loose/crude logic
>that rt and tucker carlson employ (and trump tried for a
>while). 'we should actually be bombing al qaeda *with* putin
>because they attacked us way back on 9/11'.

Syria isn't about 9/11 - it's about a proxy-war between Saudi Arabia/Israel and Iran - and the utilization of ISIS to destabilize governments which formed after we destroyed Iraq's moderate society and inflamed extremist fires throughout the region, leading to the creation of ISIS (which is an extension of Wahhabi hard-line Saudi ideology).

There is nothing "Pro-Putin/Russia" about that.


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129. "serious question for you."
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why do you think rt supports her heavy, russian trolls/bots are flooding timelines and attacking people for her, the alt right loves her, and she was up for a position in the trump administration?

i mean...why do think this bot account was created just a few days before tulsi announced her decision to run? (how did they even know beforehand?)
https://twitter.com/BobWilkerson56

why do you think theyre running the jill stein promotion playbook with her campaign?



>Syria isn't about 9/11

exactly. then why did *she* mention it in her tweet? that loose/crude russian agitprop logic made to play on american sentiment. she mirrors it word for word. you dont find that suspicious?

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138. "Actually - I see the opposite right now."
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>why do you think rt supports her heavy, russian trolls/bots
>are flooding timelines and attacking people for her, the alt
>right loves her, and she was up for a position in the trump
>administration?

The predominate response to her announcement has not been what you reference above, but dozens of high-profile establishment democrats and media that had smear pieces queued up as soon as she entered the race - and it's been spread all over the internet. So there is a concerted media effort to spin her candidacy - but not in the way that you describe. You can't underestimate the revenge that many Establishment Dems have in their hearts for the way she jilted the DNC and relinquished her VP title - calling out DWS and Clinton in an unfathomably brave way that many thought would cost her gravely in terms of her political career (and perhaps it would have had Clinton won).

But I've actually been following Gabbard for many years and have observed her political evolution - and see her as a transcendent force that can actually rally voters in a post-partisan environment (which is what I think we're headed for). I see her as the most viable candidate to pull in diverse voters from all across the political spectrum without compromising her progressive views (and she *is* very progressive - issue to issue - despite those that say she isn't citing decade-old quotes that she has since renounced and evolved on).

RT supports her because she hasn't bought into the "Russian conspiracy", wholesale. I know that Maddow and others spend every evening talking about Russia Russia Russia - but when it comes to issues of war and peace - it's not as simplified as our national coverage makes it out to be. She is nuanced on foreign policy in a way that few others are - and that has been twisted to mean that she's "pro-Russia" simply because it challenges longstanding foreign policy established views.




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145. "you a jimmy dore fan aint ya?"
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148. "actually no. I can't sit through 3 minutes of his ranting"
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Granted - I do like a lot of the issues he covers - but in terms of analysis his show does nothing for me.

I do - however - enjoy TheRealNews network.

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150. "oh ok jimmy used to be tolerable when he was a mainstream tyt-er"
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151. "lol I mean I think Jimmy covers lot of important issues"
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but his tone and long-winded monologues rarely do anything for me.

I prefer Kyle Kulinski when it comes to that TYT off-shoot perspective.

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132. "what do you like about her? For instance, why her over Warren?"
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I'm honestly asking.


Because she seems awful man. Awful on everything from Syria to her rhetoric on Muslims to being cosigned by motherfucking Steve Bannon and more.


I don't really want to hear why attack X is wrong.


I'd like to know what you like about her...honest question.

  

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134. "fam she is echoing repub talking points about 'religious bigotry' now"
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and criticized dem senators (including one from her state) for scrutinizing whether religious zealot/extremist judicial nominees would let their ideology interfere with their jurisprudence.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/hawaii-rep-tulsi-gabbard-accuses-fellow-democrats-of-religious-bigotry-in-questioning-judicial-nominee/2019/01/09/2c17ecdc-1467-11e9-90a8-136fa44b80ba_story.html
https://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/religious-rights/424362-elected-leaders-who-weaponize-religion-are-playing-a

*democrats* are weaponizing religion? really?

repubs are ramming through wholly unqualified judges (the aba even says this) who have a record of promoting extreme christian fundamentalist views in contradiction with the constitution...but she takes no issue with that.

the weird part...she just brought this up *now* based on something that happened in november.

you have republicans in texas voting on whether to oust *their own* county vice chair simply because he is muslim. and she focuses on *this* as an example of religious bigotry?

she is gaaaaarbage.

i guess the good part about her running is that her *real* record is going to be discussed in front of a national audience. because i seriously believe a lot of people who like her know very little about her (aside from puff piece bios and the bernie endorsement).

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137. "That’s why I’m so curious about the case FOR her"
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Because I legit do t get it.

She isn’t more consistently progressive than Warren.

She isn’t more electable than Kamala.

She doesn’t have a swing state advantages like
say Klobuchar.

She doesn’t have the juice of Beto or the bragging
rights of winning in Trump country like Brown.

Hell she isn’t even Bernie.



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142. "she's basically Ron Paul with a different set of baggage "
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and lip service toward the progressive agenda

  

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147. "lol. Or, she's absolutely nothing like Ron Paul"
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139. "I like Warren and support a diverse and contested primary"
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I would have no problem supporting Warren against Trump in a general (obviously) - but I don't think Warren is as viable in a general election.

Tulsi has legitimate post-partisan instincts, and has proven to be able to engage in productive dialogue with those who opposite to her ideologically. She has proven to take unpopular stances that are nonetheless principled and upright - and will defy conventional political norms if necessary. I am impressed with the strength of her conviction (and happen to agree with her on virtually every issue).

I don't think Warren and other standard D Democrats can excite a diverse electorate that is increasingly independent and fatigued at the same old partisan bickering. Some talk the talk on being able to operate in a post-partisan environment - but she has actually done it.

If you look at who she appeals to - it's all over the political spectrum. That's what you want in a general presidential election.

>Because she seems awful man. Awful on everything from Syria to
>her rhetoric on Muslims

Can you be specific? What is awful about her position on Syria? What are you referring to when you say her "rhetoric on Muslims"?





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115. "julian castro is in."
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https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1084075001119211521

seriously do all these people think they can win? im guessing some of them wanna increase their national profile or tryout for the vp job.

we seriously need to concentrate on these 2020 senate races tho.

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119. "All trying to get that first in premium. "
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125. "why u think they cant win, cuz they aint beto? lol"
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betta yet what make u think beto can win? if his burglary n DUI charges aint been dismissed back inna day would he even be ABLE to run?

dat skateboardin hair flippin peep my hipster smile shit aint a guarantee for shit

he like a justin timberlake of politicians

julian been a mayor and a secretary inna exec branch plus he a harvard trained lawyer

i aint seein no reason to clown him at all

matta of fact im glad mfs is steppin up

more da gatdamn merrier let da people decide



>https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1084075001119211521
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>seriously do all these people think they can win? im guessing
>some of them wanna increase their national profile or tryout
>for the vp job.
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>we seriously need to concentrate on these 2020 senate races
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131. "ey if thats your horse then bet on him. it makes me no nevermind."
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126. "I think everyone realizes there isn't a real obvious candidate."
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>seriously do all these people think they can win? im guessing
>some of them wanna increase their national profile or tryout
>for the vp job.

And so they know all it takes is one monster debate performance and boom, they're genuine contenders.

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127. "Speaking of irrational hatred, I cant stand the Castro brothers "
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for no other reason than that they look fucking weird

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133. "I sort of agree but we wanted a primary, right?"
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I know nothing about Castro...but I'm not mad at him throwing his hat in the ring.

Like I said, I don't want TOO many people, but at least we are getting a primary.

Only ones I can do without so far are that dude from WV (lol) and Gabbard.

I hope Brown and/or Klobuchar are going to get in this, cuz we need the rust belt.

  

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135. "im just worried we will focus our money/attention on the prez race"
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and not enough on the senate/house/state races that brought us those big gains in 2018.

i dont wanna end up with a dem prez with a repub senate and missed opportunities to control redistricting in important states.

>I hope Brown and/or Klobuchar are going to get in this, cuz we
>need the rust belt.

brown running could actually be disastrous. he holds a dem senate seat in a state that his going hard right fast. aside from brown...repubs swept the major offices in 2018. if brown ever bounces...that seat almost certainly goes to a repub (even after repub gov appoints new senator).

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136. "RE: im just worried we will focus our money/attention on the prez race"
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>and not enough on the senate/house/state races that brought
>us those big gains in 2018.
>
>i dont wanna end up with a dem prez with a repub senate and
>missed opportunities to control redistricting in important
>states.

Fair, but I think this is a concern regardless of who
is in the primary.
>
>>I hope Brown and/or Klobuchar are going to get in this, cuz
>we
>>need the rust belt.
>
>brown running could actually be disastrous. he holds a dem
>senate seat in a state that his going hard right fast. aside
>from brown...repubs swept the major offices in 2018. if brown
>ever bounces...that seat almost certainly goes to a repub
>(even after repub gov appoints new senator).

I honestly don’t know how the senate looks in
2020. I wouldn’t want to lose him to the VP
spot, but if he is our best bet to best Trump? Sign
me up.

The outcome of the senate won’t matter if Trump
is still there.

I’ll take a Brown presidency that has to wait until
2022 to be truly effective over a Trump win any day.

  

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144. "the party of the prez usually loses seats in the midterms."
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>The outcome of the senate won’t matter if Trump
>is still there.
>
>I’ll take a Brown presidency that has to wait until
>2022 to be truly effective over a Trump win any day.

so its more likely dems would lose even more senate seats in 2022 (along with offices in the states). then you add the seat that brown would already be giving up.

a dem prez with a repub senate is basically a lame duck. no judges (def no supreme court seat), no critical senate-approved appointments to various agencies, etc. itd basically just be a different face on the trump administration. but with repubs gaining seats across the country and cementing power before another repub prez won and again capitalized on that power.

2nd best scenario to a dem prez with a dem senate would be trump winning with dem winning both chambers of congress. then trump would effectively be a lame duck with no real power while dems eat up even more power in the states for 4 years. with an almost-certain economic downturn falling under a 2nd trump term...a dem prez could legitimately come into power with a senate supermajority and a whole bunch of dem-dominated states (especially after redistricting). only downside is that rbg would have to make it through 4 more years.

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152. "I disagree. We need Trump gone"
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That’s the priority. Even with a Dem senate, he’d
still have too much power considering anything
from executive orders to federal departments
to continuing to control the media.

Assuming Brown is the best bet, one senate seat
isn’t worth not beating Trump.

This debate might not matter if Brown doesn’t run
or doesn’t win the primary.


My point, too, is that regardless of who is in the
primary, the left risks losing sight of the senate
cuz that’s how things go.

Having Castro, Harris, etc in the primary race
won’t change that...so why not have a robust
primary?

  

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165. "i have no excitement for this guy"
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nothing i can say really bothers me about him but its just meh

  

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166. "Beto stole the thunder the Castro brothers had in 2012"
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which is funny to me since he's white. I've been wondering for the past few months who is more popular in Texas... like if they were running for the same seat would Texans choose Beto or Julian.
I'm glad Julian threw in though.

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173. "His moms helped establish La Raza Unida. This is a hard sell. "
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I forget when but there was a time in maybe 2017 when La Raza entered the national stage and Trump folks/conservatives tore into that shit. They think La Raza is on the same level as white nationalism/KKK/etc.

Hard sell to those folks

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157. "pretty funny thread on tulsi"
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https://www.twitter.com/KStreetHipster/status/1084169515775246337

her history really is horrendous. i dont see how she can explain away *all* that.

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158. "yea - this is getting really silly now."
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>https://www.twitter.com/KStreetHipster/status/1084169515775246337

cute twitter snark - but wildly inaccurate. I guess people are just going to mis-state her positions until they convince themselves that it's really what her positions are.

Have fun with that.




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159. "those are all positions she has held at some point."
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some of them recently.

she voted for that nra bill to allow the mentally ill to get guns in *2017*...when she was supposed to be progressive (maybe why she didnt join the official progressive caucus until months later?). only 11 other dems voted for that bill. none of them claiming to be progressive.

you think it might be time to re-evaluate your assessment of her a lil bit?

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160. "this was carefully crafted to assassinate character"
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The very first tweet talks of the the religion of the other candidates - and then fails to mention that Tulsi is Hindu; instead stating that she is "the only non-lawyer." Weird out the gate to not mention her faith when she mentions everyone else's.

Then - it starts off by implying Tulsi is pro-life. She's not. She's pro-choice.

Next, she states that Tulsi is anti-LGBQT. lol. Really?

She's a member of the LGBT Equality Caucus in the House and has been endorsed by the Human Rights Campaign.

It's kind of hard to continue the game when you start off like that. Is this Neera Tanden's burner account?

re: gun control?

Tulsi has an F-rating from the NRA, a 0% rating by the Hawaii Rifle Association, and a 100% rating by the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence.

I guess she's really just a plant who rocks with Steven Bannon on the weekends in Malibu, tho.

>you think it might be time to re-evaluate your assessment of
>her a lil bit?

Not at all. She's not perfect and certainly has her flaws and historical challenges - but the irony in this purity test from Centrist Dems is laughable.

I love Warren - but she's polarizing as hell to the electorate. Castro? He's just trying to stay active and set something up in the future. Beto? I like the energy behind him - but what has he really done besides run a brilliant, spirited (and losing) campaign against Cruz?

Tulsi deployed twice to war in the mid-east, has seen the ugly face of war. Marched at Standing Rock - flew into war-torn Syria under dangerous circumstances to get a first-hand, on-the-ground account of what's actually going on.

Her evolution as a person has been remarkable. She was raised conservative, joined the army because she was conservative and in her time abroad learned of the dangers of fundamentalism and legislating morality. She self-reflected and realized the hypocrisy of the conservatism of her father - and evolved, genuinely.

We celebrated Obama for evolving on issues. Hillary wasn't destroyed like this from most of the people sounding off on Tulsi, despite Hillary living a privileged life full of denying rights to people based on her perceived superiority. It took her decades to evolve on lgbtq rights and she only did so when forced by political shifting climate. But Tulsi evolves into her progressivism and it's unforgivable?

I still think she's the most viable challenger in a general election thus far. That may change with Harris or Beto entering the race, as I could see both of them front-running effectively if they are crowned the presumptive darling.

But I will say that I was expecting this backlash from within the DNC ranks for Gabbard. But let's be open-source in the spirit of healthy competition and let them fight it out via debate - so that the people can hear whether Gabbard is really the anti-lgbqt, anti-muslim, pro-life Bannon tomboy that "poliwonk hipster" swears she is.



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161. "Vex...we get it. You like that she “evolved”"
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But what else? What is her message that had you
so excited?

You have a lot of posts about how much you admire
her personally, but nothing really of substance.

Yeah you think she’ll be able to rally voters, but you
also admit she is hated by the left and centrist Dems.

If she can’t rally Dems, AND she is an F-rated by the NRA
progressive....

Who the fuck is she going to rally?


Obama and Hill did get some shit for evolving, but
I can’t think of a candidate who has “evolved” on
more issues than Gabbard. Big issues too.


You also claim she is getting unfairly attacked, but she has
a ton of baggage to attack man.

You also gloss over things by saying “she isn’t
perfect”....that doesn’t explain away shit like
a Steve Bannon co-sign (are you going to
address that?)

Some of this shit is very concerning. And I don’t
say that as a Dem loyalist or some shit.

I honestly don’t get how a progressive could
be this excited about her and/or think she has
the best chance.


  

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163. "Oh man, this"
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>Yeah you think she’ll be able to rally voters, but you
>also admit she is hated by the left and centrist Dems.
>
>If she can’t rally Dems, AND she is an F-rated by the NRA
>progressive....

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162. "im in on her for VP"
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I want her to run in the primaries but my gut says she wont get the nomination.

We need a win in 2020 and i dont feel like places like Florida, Pennsylvania, or Ohio would come in for her for President.

She can make a strong VP though.

We need a strong candidate like a younger Biden who will WIN those swing states.

2020 isn't an experimental year.

Its a defeat 45 at all cost. All hands on deck.

Dont care who it is as long as he or she is ELECTABLE.

  

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164. "i like her so far"
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need to see how the primaries go but shes a top choice for me right now.

  

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167. "I'm all set (youtube link):"
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https://youtu.be/o8g9I-MQl2k

Between ppl like Tulsi, Warren, Bernie (probably), and Nina Turner if she runs, i have no reason to ever settle for someone like that (Kamala).

  

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169. "???"
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>Between ppl like Tulsi, Warren, Bernie (probably), and Nina
>Turner if she runs, i have no reason to ever settle for
>someone like that (Kamala).

Tulsi and Warren have like nothing in common, lol.

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170. "They have a lot of differences, and both are way better than Kamala"
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At least from everything ive seen and read on her so far

  

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171. "What specifically do you like about Tulsi?"
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No snark, but no one can give me a straight answer.


And please don't say her character, because it could just be she has perfected the sell of the flip flop. Plus..character doesn't get you elected.

And if it is her "evolution"...could Kamala not claim the same thing?


So...what specifically do you like about Tulsi with regards to policiy, etc?


  

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172. "I'll paste my comment from another thread"
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(but u wont like this, certain character traits that i value in a leader are a big part of it for me, and yeah you only truly know someone if they're your sister, but we do our best)

"I have some unanswered questions, but im very excited (she's running).

Moreso than any particular issue, i just have immense respect for her overall integrity and case-by-case approach to issues. I like that she appears to consider each matter earnestly, and not just take whatever side will keep her popular with her peers.

AND i think she would be kryptonite to Trump. She would utterly dismantle his fake tough-guy act. She wouldn't even have to say anything for everyone to know she's 1000 times tougher than him, and she isnt going to pearl-clutch and take the bait over every one of his stupid daily tweets and insults, so he wont be able to paint her as some kind of wimpy pc-police sjw snowflake, which is his main political weapon. That will be nullified.
She'll even call him a little bitch from time to time lol.

But she'll actually be focused on the issues and he'll have to wade into deeper substantive waters against her."

  

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174. "can you give specifics though?"
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>(but u wont like this, certain character traits that i value
>in a leader are a big part of it for me, and yeah you only
>truly know someone if they're your sister, but we do our
>best)

I get that. Put it this way- folks keep telling me "look how she has grown/evolved!" which is just...its an odd thing to use because typically changing positions is BAD in politics.

Or at least...not the sole reason to like someone lol.


And if growth is the determining factor here, can't Kamala just claim growth on your issues with her?


What about Gillibrand's "growth" on guns?


>
>"I have some unanswered questions, but im very excited (she's
>running).
>
>Moreso than any particular issue, i just have immense respect
>for her overall integrity and case-by-case approach to issues.
>I like that she appears to consider each matter earnestly, and
>not just take whatever side will keep her popular with her
>peers.

Can you give a specific example?

>
>AND i think she would be kryptonite to Trump. She would
>utterly dismantle his fake tough-guy act. She wouldn't even
>have to say anything for everyone to know she's 1000 times
>tougher than him, and she isnt going to pearl-clutch and take
>the bait every one of his stupid tweets and insults, so he
>wont be able to paint her as some kind of wimpy pc-police sjw
>snowflake, which is his main political weapon.
>She'll even call him a little bitch from time to time lol.


This is where I defer to folks who have seen her debate, so I will take your word for it. But in that CNN interview she was talking some generic Hawaii love bullshit.

>
>But she'll actually be focused on the issues and he'll have to
>wade into deeper substantive waters against her."


What specific issues is she going to focus on, though?



  

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175. "RE: can you give specifics though?"
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>I get that. Put it this way- folks keep telling me "look how
>she has grown/evolved!" which is just...its an odd thing to
>use because typically changing positions is BAD in politics.
:
Nah, the fact that she evolved on some things isnt the main thing at all for me, but to that point i would say the ability and willingness to evolve often reflects a certain humility and sincerity in one's approach to the issues.


>Or at least...not the sole reason to like someone lol.
:
Agreed. Its not my reason.


>And if growth is the determining factor here, can't Kamala
>just claim growth on your issues with her?
:
To me, there's a difference between your stance on an issue and the way you treat people. If its true that Kamala Harris pushed to keep an innocent man in prison for an extra 2 years because she disapproved of the way he mishandled the paperwork or whatever, that reflects a coldness of heart that i can't even fathom...plus, im highly sceptical of anyone the corporate establishment tries to prop up.


>What about Gillibrand's "growth" on guns?
:
I need to learn more about her before i comment.


>
>>
>>"I have some unanswered questions, but im very excited
>(she's
>>running).
>>
>>Moreso than any particular issue, i just have immense
>respect
>>for her overall integrity and case-by-case approach to
>issues.
>>I like that she appears to consider each matter earnestly,
>and
>>not just take whatever side will keep her popular with her
>>peers.
>
>Can you give a specific example?
:
Her support of Trump's North Korea peace talks is one example. Criticizing Obama over Yemen and Saudi Arabia is another. There are others.


>What specific issues is she going to focus on, though?
:
Her top priority seems to be foreign policy (fewer entanglements) and environmental, and the ways we can shift our spending from war back to domestic needs like healthcare, student debt, infrastructure, etc. She has expressed an interest in the possibility of a basic income for all, spoke on how it could save money and make a lot of sense, though hasn't yet endorsed it outright.

  

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177. "Folks keep hyping her up"
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not sure why

Is it because she is off white and ex military?

Haven’t heard or read one concrete thing about her that gets me excited and when folks are asked why they like her they never link to an accomplishment or a speech that has umpph to it.

I will admit, I haven’t even tried to find out in my own because she doesn’t seem like she has a chance.

shut up already, damn

  

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179. "It's crazy to me that people just dismiss her outright"
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I've heard her speak to a couple of important issues

Campaign finance reform/election reform - and i found myself agreeing with a lot of what she said

Criminal Justice Reform - she's spoken out against mandatory mins

Reigning in NSA/Civil rights - she's talked about limiting the government's ability to spy on people (seems legit)


I can't say she's a clear choice or anything, but i'm not writing her off. A lot of the criticism i see of her seems to be oversimplification of some of her actual statements. That's politics, though.


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180. "You are the first person on here to list a few things off"
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thanks.

shut up already, damn

  

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182. "Post 175 fwiw as well"
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192. "she may or may not be worth your vote, but def worth investigating "
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she has to own some of the dumb shit she said when she was young, but she also co-sponsored a bill to repeal DOMA, so despite some of the dumb shit she may have said, she doesn't appear to be legislating on any kind of anti-gay agenda.

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184. "People LOVE the appearance of toughness"
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And she can frame herself as the only one willing to fight "the homosexual agenda" and will commit to placing troops in Syria (helping The Lion of Damascus Assad crush the terrorists.)

Literally the best arguments for her have been "she'll burn it all down from all directions" and "she'll call Trump a bitch." It's like an intersection of people who were about Jim Webb in 2016 and Dennis Kucinich in 2008, only it's a young woman who surfs.

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188. "Lol as the ''she'll call Trump a bitch'' guy, let me clarify that"
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I'd actually rather she didnt, and she might not (tho she did once), but i meant it more as a humorous aside, and if you go back and read what i was saying, the point i was really trying to drive at is that she WOULDN'T get bogged down in the petty bickering, and that appearing tough and badass is TRUMPS only political appeal for so many, she'd cancel that out and force him into *deeper substantive* waters (meaning it WOULDN'T be about tough-guy vs snowflake, but rather be forced into actual policy discussions)

  

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Mynoriti
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Wed Jan-16-19 02:52 PM

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190. "not that she's my choice, but she'd be a problem for Trump"
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just in the whole reality show circus aspect of politics.

Trump has this ability as a schoolyard bully to size people up and zero in on that thing to go at (Crooked Hillary, Low Engergy Jeb, Pocahantas). I don't see him finding that striking point with her. I see him being kinda shook by a woman who's stronger than him, and not afraid to go low back if it came to that (bone spurs).

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Jon
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Wed Jan-16-19 04:07 PM

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201. "EXACTLY.