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"Kanye likes the way alt right Black conservative Candice Owens thinks"
Sun Apr-22-18 07:25 PM by legsdiamond

          

smh

https://www.thewrap.com/kanye-west-black-lives-candace-owens/

Kanye West voiced his liking of conservative YouTube personality Candace Owens on Saturday, upsetting many of his fans.

Owens — a frequent guest on Fox News and InfoWars — launched a website and YouTube channel in 2017 called Red Pill Black, which promotes black conservatism. She has hailed President Trump as not “just the leader of the free world, but the savior of it as well,” and has been known to blast Black Lives Matter.

West tweeted Saturday: “I like how Candace Owen thinks.”

Upon seeing West’s endorsement, Owens quickly responded: “I’m freaking out. @kanyewest ….please take a meeting with me. I tell every single person that everything that I have been inspired to do, was written in your music. I am my own biggest fan, because you made it okay. I need you to help wake up the black community.”

West giving his nod of approval to Owens didn’t sit well with many of his 11 million followers.



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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Damn
Apr 22nd 2018
1
Kanye only talks to us when he wants to sell something (c) FB post
Apr 22nd 2018
2
^^^^
Apr 23rd 2018
8
dude is echoing a lot of alt right 'red pill' talking points.
Apr 22nd 2018
3
Dat ninja BEEN jumped da shark.
Apr 22nd 2018
4
snoozefest. it's not 'cool' or shocking to praise right wing buttwipes
Apr 22nd 2018
5
He needs some serious guidance
Apr 22nd 2018
6
This dude trollling like shit
Apr 23rd 2018
7
Yup. Thats probably the saddest part of it
Apr 23rd 2018
12
pretty much. idk why folks are up in arms about it.
Apr 23rd 2018
14
cmon, you know why folks get mad at it...lol
Apr 23rd 2018
19
People get mad because it's hella irresponsible.
Apr 23rd 2018
25
      I could see if he was 20 and desperate for attention
Apr 23rd 2018
27
           Right ?! That's why I don't buy that.
Apr 23rd 2018
29
no hes not
Apr 23rd 2018
31
      im so tired of this excuse for his stupidity
Apr 23rd 2018
47
           ^^^^^
Apr 23rd 2018
54
           yep
Apr 23rd 2018
57
           I think his master plan is attention
Apr 23rd 2018
59
           i think there's a difference between self-obsession and lack of intellig...
Apr 23rd 2018
64
                Donald Glover said he figured out the matrix
Apr 24th 2018
82
                     naw DG basically got a blank check w/ atlanta
Apr 24th 2018
111
                          I agree.. but I think if he continues to go unchecked
Apr 24th 2018
119
                               see i live for "WTF is this shit?"
Apr 24th 2018
135
                                    ^^^^
Oct 17th 2022
290
post jack: I've yet to hear a pro black+conservative stance
Apr 23rd 2018
9
Easiest money grab in America
Apr 23rd 2018
10
Black Church, well used to be
Apr 23rd 2018
11
Black church is too moist and feminized
Apr 23rd 2018
28
      now see.....why it gotta be all that....
Apr 23rd 2018
39
           yeah. that answer was problematic
Apr 23rd 2018
42
black conservative who actually rock w black folk go with The Church/NOI...
Apr 23rd 2018
13
Every online quiz I've taken places me as super progressive
Apr 23rd 2018
16
for black folk I think conservative means
Apr 23rd 2018
18
RE: Every online quiz I've taken places me as super progressive
Apr 23rd 2018
20
      RE: black people can entrepreneur their way out of racism
Apr 23rd 2018
23
^^^ this. all of this.
Apr 26th 2018
269
It's in the name, really
Apr 23rd 2018
15
Beat me to it.
Apr 23rd 2018
26
      Base
Apr 23rd 2018
34
When you paint it as a caricature (conservatism=white supremacism)....
Apr 23rd 2018
17
its not that deep (white supremacy)
Apr 23rd 2018
21
You make it sound like Conservatives are Conservationist. LOL
Apr 23rd 2018
22
      yup, most black folks in the church have conservative principles
Apr 23rd 2018
24
because those two ideals are at complete odds in America.
Apr 23rd 2018
56
what about Farrakhan?
Apr 23rd 2018
61
"Dipset should've let him get his ass whooped at that Chicago...
Apr 23rd 2018
30
Yo!!! Backstory, whahappen?
Apr 23rd 2018
32
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsr0mtLRT8
Apr 23rd 2018
33
We should be well beyond thinking Kanye is a deep, political thinker. n/...
Apr 23rd 2018
35
I've always defended Ye on some "nigga trolling" steez
Apr 23rd 2018
36
Kanye is your Donald Trump
Apr 23rd 2018
37
he's been past any kind of trolling for YEARS now.
Apr 23rd 2018
38
      Co-sign...
Apr 23rd 2018
43
           yup. years ago I had to decide ok, I'm just not acknowledging
Apr 23rd 2018
44
lol, what brand of individual ever entertained such thoughts?
Apr 23rd 2018
40
RE: We should be well beyond thinking Kanye is a deep, political thinker...
Apr 23rd 2018
65
he bout to sell 5 albums
Apr 23rd 2018
41
It really is the moment of truth. Almost all will be forgiven if all
Apr 23rd 2018
45
its going plat minimum
Apr 23rd 2018
46
Ye been selling less and less
Apr 23rd 2018
48
With streaming isn’t this common?
Apr 23rd 2018
50
      correct,
Apr 23rd 2018
53
*shrug* who can tell. he'll probably do fine
Apr 23rd 2018
49
max
Apr 23rd 2018
52
Kanye is in legacy mode by now (think P after batman soundtrack)
Apr 23rd 2018
60
Him falling for the alt-right okey doke makes sense; its all about ego
Apr 23rd 2018
51
We need to ignore this nigga
Apr 23rd 2018
55
... but the music is hot.
Apr 23rd 2018
58
Kanye loves Donald Trump. Was addicted to opiates at some point
Apr 23rd 2018
62
Kanye West Talks to Ebro: 'I Love Donald Trump'
Apr 23rd 2018
63
Man the comments in that video...
Apr 24th 2018
218
kanye might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone.
Apr 23rd 2018
66
lol nah
Apr 23rd 2018
68
i help study far right extremism/radicalization for 2 diff nonprofits
Apr 23rd 2018
69
      yeah that's not enough
Apr 23rd 2018
70
      do you know what 'mainstreaming' means?
Apr 24th 2018
71
           When a large white audience picks up on it.
Apr 24th 2018
77
                fam youre tying yourself in knots tryna be right by any means.
Apr 24th 2018
81
                     No, I'm waiting on you to prove
Apr 24th 2018
84
      Don't stop bro!
Apr 24th 2018
157
RE: kanye might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone.
Apr 24th 2018
72
except candace owens is literally alt right.
Apr 24th 2018
73
      RE: except candace owens is literally alt right.
Apr 24th 2018
74
           she is being mainstreamed to the mainstream lol.
Apr 24th 2018
75
                Yup. Kanye's clearly the most influencial 'get' they've gotten
Apr 24th 2018
76
                     agreed. put it like this...
Apr 24th 2018
78
                     Adidas stock? Maybe niggas just like his shoes?
Apr 24th 2018
79
                          Hold up man you didn't do the research
Apr 24th 2018
83
                               these niggas man...lol
Apr 24th 2018
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                                    oh ok you edited. let me ask you this.
Apr 24th 2018
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                                    from my research Candace didn't launch Red Pill until 2017
Apr 24th 2018
91
                                    so kanye did in 1 tweet what no other platform could do in a year.
Apr 24th 2018
124
                                    My man this is simple.
Apr 24th 2018
93
                                         basically
Apr 24th 2018
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                                         That
Apr 24th 2018
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                                         yep, bc hes right about everything else
Apr 24th 2018
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                                         Yea exactly. I think he's raised some important points.
Apr 24th 2018
100
                                         'kanye is helping to mainstream candace owens
Apr 24th 2018
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                                              nah, we just ain't going overboard with it
Apr 24th 2018
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                                              Yes. There's a huge difference between this and what you ...
Apr 24th 2018
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                                                   aight i can live with that.
Apr 24th 2018
132
                                         this is my question as well:
Apr 24th 2018
112
                                              the alt-right has been on every major network for the past 18 months
Apr 24th 2018
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                                         he has mainstream and pop fluff outlets covering the alt right.
Apr 24th 2018
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                                              the mainstream BEEN covering the alt-right
Apr 24th 2018
110
                                              All these outlets have been covering 45* and his ilk ...
Apr 24th 2018
115
                                    Exactly
Apr 24th 2018
90
yep...like Ebro said...it's dangerous...he's in too deep at this point
Apr 24th 2018
80
i gotta listen to that.
Apr 24th 2018
85
      he was spot on with everything
Apr 24th 2018
87
           oh dude is flat out saying he loves trump now.
Apr 24th 2018
89
           maybe.. or maybe he has some shit to sell us
Apr 24th 2018
92
                could be.
Apr 24th 2018
94
                folks keep saying Ye and the Kardashians are masterminds of media
Apr 24th 2018
101
                     u make them out to be the illuminati though
Apr 24th 2018
109
                          I make them out to be attention craving assholes
Apr 24th 2018
116
                that's even worse lmao
Apr 24th 2018
99
                     we care because it's not hard to do
Apr 24th 2018
103
                     yeah the consequences are the same in this instance.
Apr 24th 2018
105
           Fuck! Kanye got me liking Ebro!!!! ...I hate Ebro!!!!
Apr 24th 2018
114
omg yall jumping off the cliff w/ this shit.
Apr 24th 2018
98
Is Fox News not mainstream?
Apr 24th 2018
108
is pop culture not more mainstream than fox news?
Apr 24th 2018
117
      Mainstreaming means making something normal. Kanye didn't do that
Apr 24th 2018
133
           mainstreaming and normalization technically arent the same thing.
Apr 24th 2018
159
I had the same reaction.
Apr 24th 2018
130
Black Skinhead...
Apr 23rd 2018
67
shit, the confederate merchandise from a few years back...
Apr 24th 2018
104
Kanye is the next OJ...
Apr 24th 2018
106
^ ^ ^Sees it!
Apr 24th 2018
113
I've been thinking this too. His greatest work of art will be.......
Apr 24th 2018
118
OJ killed somebody and had no classic albums or shoes. try again.
Apr 24th 2018
120
these niggas man...lol
Apr 24th 2018
122
historically though, if u think about it
Apr 24th 2018
136
      oj had a history of domestic violence, cte and violent tendencies
Apr 24th 2018
138
      riiiight
Apr 24th 2018
142
           the burden of evidence is on you.
Apr 24th 2018
177
                burden of evidence??!
Apr 24th 2018
185
      you aint need to explain that..let these stans keep thinking
Apr 24th 2018
139
      but if it doesn't happen then what?
Apr 24th 2018
146
           if what happens?
Apr 24th 2018
156
                Huh? I’m talking the OJ prediction
Apr 24th 2018
162
                     we didn't OJ would do all that till he did it
Apr 24th 2018
164
                          yeah see, I'm not willing to go there with Ye..lol
Apr 24th 2018
167
                               all im saying is
Apr 24th 2018
192
      nah.. I don't see it
Apr 24th 2018
140
      a Black man surrounded by white women who hate Black women
Apr 24th 2018
145
           oh, if that's what he is getting at then sure.. 100%
Apr 24th 2018
165
      both iconically ran through airports lol.
Apr 24th 2018
160
so what Stan...Kanye aint got no Johnnie Cochran (RIP) either
Apr 24th 2018
123
it actually hurts to consider this.
Apr 24th 2018
126
Quincy's old and crazy?
Apr 24th 2018
128
      I don't mean clinically. I mean, not giving a shit.
Apr 24th 2018
149
LoL
Apr 24th 2018
151
In the end, it's not that surprising
Apr 24th 2018
107
pretty much
Apr 24th 2018
121
good points.
Apr 24th 2018
125
additionally
Apr 24th 2018
134
I won't put it on his character. Being around rich white ppl
Apr 24th 2018
137
Black booty keeps you grounded
Apr 24th 2018
141
RE: Black booty keeps you grounded
Apr 24th 2018
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      i'm not talking politics or Trump
Apr 24th 2018
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      RE: Black booty keeps you grounded
Apr 24th 2018
154
      Very well said
Apr 24th 2018
158
      hmm
Apr 24th 2018
163
      RE: Black booty keeps you grounded
Apr 25th 2018
241
Absolutely
Apr 24th 2018
143
jay was def getting closer to that 'black republican' shit.
Apr 24th 2018
147
      I mean...Dave Chappelle outlined the thinking on SNL.
Apr 24th 2018
150
           I've realized in recent years that to be "fiscally conservative" ...
Apr 24th 2018
155
                Fuck that. Some times it comes down to just not wanting to pay 50+%
Apr 24th 2018
173
                     Haha but I think issues with the tax code are bipartisan.
Apr 24th 2018
181
                          It's the other side of the equation that distinguishes Republicans
Apr 24th 2018
199
                               Well, this is kind of a separate discussion but they passed it ...
Apr 24th 2018
201
His comments are not suprising but Kanye and Trump are not
Apr 24th 2018
170
      he's a nigga that made a few good albums
Apr 24th 2018
187
      Yep that's it
Apr 24th 2018
190
      I don't think we disagree on much...
Apr 24th 2018
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           Good points, solid argument
Apr 24th 2018
198
Im'ma wait until I hear the album...
Apr 24th 2018
153
Why wait? What does this quote have to do with his music?
Apr 24th 2018
161
Oh no
Apr 24th 2018
166
beats so hot she gonna forget he said it
Apr 24th 2018
168
lol right?
Apr 24th 2018
174
If I said I love food...
Apr 24th 2018
171
      Good point but
Apr 24th 2018
176
      I hear you but you know Kanye be saying crazy stuff then apologize...
Apr 24th 2018
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           True.
Apr 24th 2018
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           "Don't ever fix your lips like collagen...
Apr 25th 2018
233
      maybe I'm different but if you said you loved food..I'd take it at face
Apr 24th 2018
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           how about saying what you want us to hear?
Apr 24th 2018
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           and that makes total sense...
Apr 24th 2018
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                These aren’t rumors
Apr 24th 2018
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                the point is...
Apr 24th 2018
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                     Gotdamn, you outside the bunker Trin.
Apr 24th 2018
203
                     Huh? Regardless of your opinion these arent
Apr 25th 2018
248
                          yall gotta chill...
Apr 25th 2018
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                               cmon...
Apr 25th 2018
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                                    RE: cmon..
Apr 25th 2018
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                                         https://media.giphy.com/media/CycIvRahkUp0Y/giphy.gif
Apr 26th 2018
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                what assumption? the nigga said it lol..it's a conclusion...he loves
Apr 24th 2018
197
Lol and there it is
Apr 24th 2018
169
by hoping the album is good...
Apr 24th 2018
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      I think a better idea is to separate his music from his personal life
Apr 24th 2018
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      shut up nigga...
Apr 24th 2018
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           I love food
Apr 24th 2018
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                beans, greens, potatoes...
Apr 24th 2018
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      Nah you don’t get it
Apr 24th 2018
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           k (c) SoWhat
Apr 24th 2018
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R.Kelly pumps his fist to this idea
Apr 24th 2018
209
so the toronto van attacker is an incel 4chan dude
Apr 24th 2018
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Huh? These types don’t need Ye to help them hate
Apr 24th 2018
200
Yea this is weird.
Apr 24th 2018
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He won’t throw in the damn towel on this theory.
Apr 24th 2018
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      He is dedicated
Apr 24th 2018
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a lot of people arent already any of that fam lol.
Apr 24th 2018
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I will admit I have a hard time believing the folks who stick around
Apr 24th 2018
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could be ye, could be somebody else. real world example for you:
Apr 24th 2018
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      they not trying to hear you though
Apr 24th 2018
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      That cxss@ndra f@!rbanks chick. Went from Ferguson protests to pepe meme...
Apr 25th 2018
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           Some folks like winning so much
Apr 25th 2018
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i don't think a lot of folks here buy into 'Influencers' which permeate
Apr 24th 2018
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all it takes is a 'handshake' to send some people down that rabbit hole.
Apr 24th 2018
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I hear you...
Apr 24th 2018
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apparently all the worlds evil can be laid at ye's feet
Apr 24th 2018
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      Yeah. I don’t see it.
Apr 24th 2018
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           Its not overnight tho
Apr 24th 2018
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i really thought you was gonna say he was blasting Kanye in the van.
Apr 24th 2018
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^ ^ ^Gemz dropped!
Apr 24th 2018
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You suggesting dudes read a few websites, then decide to go murdering?
Apr 25th 2018
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"I'm just trying to challenge conventional thinking" never works out wel...
Apr 24th 2018
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^^^^
Apr 24th 2018
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Totally different from Badu. Badu's underlying point was positive
Apr 25th 2018
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Kanye is 100% positioning as positive and having an open heart
Apr 26th 2018
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      and his "I love everybody" worked on Trin
Apr 26th 2018
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^^^^
Apr 25th 2018
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man he told you years ago he hates y'all more than a nazi, so ....
Apr 25th 2018
223
Haha wow. True. Forgot about that.
Apr 25th 2018
228
kanye just needs to go away
Apr 25th 2018
225
your concern is unwarranted
Apr 25th 2018
227
goddamnit. the more I think about it the more I get upset.
Apr 25th 2018
229
kanye is wack
Apr 25th 2018
230
You can clearly see his progression in his women
Apr 25th 2018
234
https://i.imgur.com/v02KoZd.gif
Apr 25th 2018
236
ya'll man's rockin a MAGA hat just got thanked by the tangerine
Apr 25th 2018
235
I wish we would turn our backs on him whenever he comes crawling back
Apr 25th 2018
237
We need to stop doing that
Apr 26th 2018
271
Kanye could pledge his allegiance to ISIS, wouldn't lose fans
Apr 25th 2018
238
Agree with you. And while I still don't fully co-sign Reeq's
Apr 25th 2018
239
Kanye is helping normalize this evil
Apr 25th 2018
249
      smh he might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone.
Apr 25th 2018
252
      Im more concerned about the 18 million that
Apr 25th 2018
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           You should be more worried about the millions that voted for Trump
Apr 25th 2018
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                alladis
Apr 26th 2018
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      Yea I still think his statement was hyperbolic but I'm ...
Apr 25th 2018
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pretty much.
Apr 25th 2018
247
Lost 8 million Twitter followers with that one picture
Apr 25th 2018
240
Wait what ?
Apr 25th 2018
242
damn is this shit real?
Apr 25th 2018
243
Hahahaha god I hope so. God I fucking hope so.
Apr 25th 2018
244
Yeah, I'm not sure if it's 100% authentic now
Apr 25th 2018
246
it's not
Apr 25th 2018
259
this is great if true
Apr 25th 2018
245
Uh-Huh(c)DMX
Apr 25th 2018
251
Watching the MAGA chuds go apeshit over a celebrity is always nuts
Apr 25th 2018
250
My boy is convinced Kanye's album is going to be blackity black
Apr 26th 2018
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I mean...given his previous history I could see this happening
Apr 26th 2018
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anyone who's ever halfway paid attention to ye should know this.
Apr 26th 2018
266
Folks are so easily triggered these days.
Apr 26th 2018
267
nah
Apr 26th 2018
268
Nah. Not as black sounding, but Yeezus was his blackest album
Apr 26th 2018
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      RE: Nah. Not as black sounding, but Yeezus was his blackest album
Apr 26th 2018
273
      Yeezus was an album about ego
Apr 27th 2018
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           Hmm... that shit wasn’t hot to me for the lpst part
Apr 27th 2018
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           Nah man. Ye has his shitty moments but give the man his due
Apr 27th 2018
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people get too attached to the "art"
Apr 26th 2018
272
Of course maga folks will spin it their way to win the debate
Apr 27th 2018
275
Realizing Kanye is black folks Melania Trump
Oct 15th 2018
282
I cant front, most my black family is right conservative
Apr 28th 2018
278
and now he loves Gonzalez, the HS student from Florida.
Apr 29th 2018
279
just remembering when niggas called me crazy lol.
Oct 13th 2018
280
where is expertise?
Oct 15th 2018
281
He's been gone for 10+ years.
Oct 14th 2022
284
this post and the tulsi post aged like fine wine.
Oct 14th 2022
283
Legs and BrooklynWhat been defending Ye for a loooong time.
Oct 14th 2022
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      yep, because yall want to be lazy and scream mental illness
Oct 14th 2022
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           I do give a shit about his mental illness. I think dudes a piece of shit...
Oct 14th 2022
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                dude is a casualty...good beats/songs/albums or not
Oct 14th 2022
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                ^^^ The mentally ill thing is complete bullshit
Oct 14th 2022
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sheesh even i didnt think it would go this far lol.
Dec 01st 2022
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This is like a nightmare
Dec 02nd 2022
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I'm DEEPLY worried hes gone forever.
Dec 02nd 2022
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Seriously.
Dec 05th 2022
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I hate saying this.
Dec 05th 2022
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      Back in 2018 or 2019
Dec 05th 2022
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      i think he will live a normal life span but just get crazier and crazier...
Dec 05th 2022
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      I figure he'll spend the next few decades like Gallagher in his...
Dec 06th 2022
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Lurkmode
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1. "Damn"
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He should put the tweets supporting trump that he deleted back on his timeline.

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JFrost1117
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2. "Kanye only talks to us when he wants to sell something (c) FB post"
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i'm here for the music. fuck the clothing and the political views. gimmie something to ride to or STFU, especially with this bullshit.

  

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3. "dude is echoing a lot of alt right 'red pill' talking points."
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self victimization, thought police, etc. im waiting for a tweet saying black people need to get off the democrat plantation lol.

id be interested to know what he reads/watches nowadays to even know who candace owens is.

no doubt these tweets will be brought up on bill maher next week and bill will agree with the whole freedom of speech/thought thread. like 90% of his show now is him complaining about the biggest threat we face as a nation...free speech being stifled by protests, boycotts, and whiny college kids.

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4. "Dat ninja BEEN jumped da shark."
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But when he got wit the Heauxzdashians, that was pretty-much
the icing onna cake.


At this point, Ye is a Judas with a toxic insatiable desire to be
accepted by ofayes. Add-in his mental health issues and I truly believe we ain't even seen the WORST of what is to come.

Hopefully, dude gets an intervention from some real self-knowledge-havin OG's that kick'eem some game.










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Dr Claw
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5. "snoozefest. it's not 'cool' or shocking to praise right wing buttwipes"
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especially because they're the latest Black one. that's like saying "I like pee in my Coors Light because I can't tell which part is the pee"

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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6. "He needs some serious guidance"
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It's baffling how one can go from the infamous Bush comments to aligning with Trump and the far right.

Maybe his mother was the only one who could keep him balanced and after her passing, Caitlin Jenner and company took over.

Maybe this is a middle finger to Obama after Obama dissed him and called him a jackass. Got his feelings hurt and now on anti-Obama everything. Kinda like Trump after he was dissed at the correspondents dinner some years back.

Maybe a mixture of both but who knows.

He moves in the same circles as Jay, Beyonce, etc. and still feels the far right has people's best interest. And what is so crazy is that despite all of this, he will not lose any fans...especially if he brings that heat. We are in bizarro world where the biggest Black rapper is for Trump and the biggest white rapper (Eminem) spoke out against him.

I wonder which other rappers are secretly Republican and have yet to speak out. Just waiting to see how this Yeezy shit goes before coming officially out. I can see a lot of trap/drill artists doing this.

  

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7. "This dude trollling like shit"
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12. "Yup. Thats probably the saddest part of it"
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People got issues with Jay but at least he shuts the fuck up when it comes to politics and when he does at least it comes from somewhere well thought.

Kinda sad to be one of the biggest pop stars in the world but gotta pull basement twitch streamer tactics for attention

  

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14. "pretty much. idk why folks are up in arms about it."
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ye sitting up in calabasas like "as soon as they like you, make em unlike you huh *ponders*...yeah this'll do it *fires off tweet*"

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19. "cmon, you know why folks get mad at it...lol"
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25. "People get mad because it's hella irresponsible."
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>RE: pretty much. idk why folks are up in arms about it.

If he knows better and is just saying that type of shit for attention like you claim, IMO it's even worse than if he was just plain stupid and actually believes the shit he is saying/tweeting. America is like 80% stupid people. And there are stupid fans of Kanye's who will follow his every word and action so if he claims he likes the way Candace Owens thinks, others will follow. He's got a lot of influence.

So he's either lying for attention and is therefore wildly negligent and irresponsible, or he's telling the truth and is therefore really fucking stupid and got Kardashian'd.

Neither instance is ideal. Both should be maligned at every turn.

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27. "I could see if he was 20 and desperate for attention"
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but dude is 40, got a dedicated following and still does this type of shit when it isn't needed.

then again, he stood with Trump. Almost makes me wonder if he taught Trump how to troll on twitter

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29. "Right ?! That's why I don't buy that."
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He could hit the space bar and tweet it and he'd get attention. So he doesn't need to resort to that type of bullshit.

I think he believes what he's saying which, sadly, makes him incredibly stupid.

>RE: I could see if he was 20 and desperate for attention
>but dude is 40, got a dedicated following and still does this
>type of shit when it isn't needed.
>
>then again, he stood with Trump. Almost makes me wonder if he
>taught Trump how to troll on twitter

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31. "no hes not"
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lol

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47. "im so tired of this excuse for his stupidity"
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every time he acts like an ass or he says something stupid its all part of his master plan. No its not. He is just a fucking moron.

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54. "^^^^^"
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Emperor's new clothes very much in effect.

Also, he is a spoilt only child (been saying it for years).

*awaits the flame*

  

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57. "yep"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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59. "I think his master plan is attention"
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It’s one of the reasons he married the most recognizable woman on the planet.

So yeah... I def thought a lot of the shit he did was just to get the spotlight back on him before his new shit drops.

This doesn’t mean he doesn’t say stupid shit because he is stupid.

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64. "i think there's a difference between self-obsession and lack of intellig..."
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kanye's just an extreme example of a trap we all fall into at times.

that doesn't excuse any of this bullshit, but there's no duality or unresolvable conflict in kanye's story at all. what's scary is that being self-aware to the point where you can narrate it seems to make it easy to capitalize on your issues, and maybe avoid them, but not so easy to overcome them.

he was straight up with all of this 15 years ago.

some genius is going to do a tony soprano/saul goodman style biopic on kanye in a generation and blow us away though.

  

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82. "Donald Glover said he figured out the matrix"
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hear me out, I'm about to rant for a minute.

DG said he figured out the matrix and this season of ATL has been kinda off IMO. Folks saying a lot of these episodes are genius but IMO I think dude is real close to losing his good will if he keeps going in this direction with the show.

Which brings me to Kanye. When folks like Ye make shit tons of money doing whatever they want it makes them feel invincible. Ye sold out MSG to play his unfinished album while showcasing his matrix clothing.

Now this dude is propping up the red pill alt right chick.

When you win at life following your dreams and passions and then see thousands/millions of people following your every move and responding to every tweet or rant.. man listen.

No one man should have all that power.

That dude is on one and until he really loses he is going to keep doing what he is doing whether its right or wrong. As long as it gets reported on, dude is going to feel like he is right/winning.

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111. "naw DG basically got a blank check w/ atlanta"
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the people are down for whatever he does with it.

and if nothing else FX will let it rock because it gives them credibility. otherwise The Americans would've BEEN cancelled lmao.

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119. "I agree.. but I think if he continues to go unchecked"
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Atlanta can easily go from "OMG its GENIUZ" to "WTF is this shit?"

hell, it's already happening.

and I think it's similar to Ye. At first he was a genius but over time...

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135. "see i live for "WTF is this shit?" "
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so i hope he doubles down on it next season.

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290. "^^^^"
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9. "post jack: I've yet to hear a pro black+conservative stance"
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Am I crazy but there is a big sense that the only way to be down with conservatism as a person of color/black man is be down with white supremacy or have white supremacy do some shaping of your world view


I been hearing these black conservatives talking about the "democratic plantation" but nothing they say seems to be of any value to black people. They look at black america through the lens of white disgust and hatred....I can't get past 20 seconds of these negors talking


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10. "Easiest money grab in America "
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I seriously wonder if these folks really believe this shit or they just know it’s easy money/attention


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11. "Black Church, well used to be"
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They are surprisingly a non-factor in the current resurgance of black activism when they used to be on the frontlines. Charleston shooting I figured they would hit the streets hard...but nada

  

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28. "Black church is too moist and feminized "
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Too busy pushing forgiveness, empty hope and helping people feel better about the dysfunction they engage in to do much of value for the community

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39. "now see.....why it gotta be all that...."
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BEFORE YOU JUDGE ME, make sure you're perfect.

"I'm hella Black, and irresponsibility ain't my culture. Yall niggas just gon have to own that as individuals"- Boo

  

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42. "yeah. that answer was problematic "
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13. "black conservative who actually rock w black folk go with The Church/NOI..."
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Whether it's black capitalism/buy black or the Steve Harvey/Iyanla Vanzant self-help stuff, black people are down with a lot of conservative principles. They just don't fall for the white supremacy of Republican Party

The Fox News black conservatives all seem to have the same origin story of "the mean black kids made fun of me for talking white in middle school."

  

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16. "Every online quiz I've taken places me as super progressive "
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however, I've wondered if there are any conservative principles that would make sense to me

Buy Black/support black business for sure, but is that really considered conservative?

I can't even begin to hear any points because the loudest parts are dog whistles screaming in my ears.


At this point it seems like the only black person who is nearing conservatism in a way that could make sense if I lost my mind would be Killer Mike and even then...I ain't on board.

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18. "for black folk I think conservative means"
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pro life
no welfare
work hard/bootstraps/no saggin
church
look the other way when it's obvious the choir director is gay
marriage before kids






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20. "RE: Every online quiz I've taken places me as super progressive "
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>however, I've wondered if there are any conservative
>principles that would make sense to me
>
>Buy Black/support black business for sure, but is that really
>considered conservative?

If you take the Buy Black/Black capitalism argument to its logical extreme, you end up arguing that black people can entrepreneur their way out of racism like other ethnic groups have done. A lot of the black socialists I know would argue that this leaves the basic logic of capitalism unchallenged and discounts how deeply anti-black racism is connected to capitalism.

>I can't even begin to hear any points because the loudest
>parts are dog whistles screaming in my ears.

I mean, Farrakhan organized the largest gathering of black people in American history around the idea of atoning for our bad behavior and promising to embrace traditional gender roles and be the heads of our families.

There was a point a few years back when every other black person was reading that Steve Harvey book.

I disagree with both of them but I see folks buying into it on the timeline so I don't want to discount the fact that those sorts of messages resonate with people.

>At this point it seems like the only black person who is
>nearing conservatism in a way that could make sense if I lost
>my mind would be Killer Mike and even then...I ain't on board.

haha Mike's political philosophy is all over the place.

  

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23. "RE: black people can entrepreneur their way out of racism"
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ah yes, the Claud Anderson/ Boyce Watkins blueprint for success

i dont agree with them, but i do believe an education in Economics is the game changer we are looking for but not looking at


  

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269. "^^^ this. all of this. "
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>Whether it's black capitalism/buy black or the Steve
>Harvey/Iyanla Vanzant self-help stuff, black people are down
>with a lot of conservative principles. They just don't fall
>for the white supremacy of Republican Party
>

exactly. black cons vs coons.


>The Fox News black conservatives all seem to have the same
>origin story of "the mean black kids made fun of me for
>talking white in middle school."

lol. the sad ones (true believers).

but there are a lot of uncle tom for hire ass niggas out there who just know it's a hustle that pays very very well.


peace & blessings,

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15. "It's in the name, really"
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con·serv·a·tive
kənˈsərvədiv

adjective
1.
holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

noun
1.
a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.


So when you say this...

>Am I crazy but there is a big sense that the only way to be
>down with conservatism as a person of color/black man is be
>down with white supremacy or have white supremacy do some
>shaping of your world view




... that makes complete sense, because white supremacy shapes America's "traditional attitudes and values" and that's what a conservative is "conserving"... no matter what they look like.



>I been hearing these black conservatives talking about the
>"democratic plantation" but nothing they say seems to be of
>any value to black people. They look at black america through
>the lens of white disgust and hatred....I can't get past 20
>seconds of these negors talking


I look at that "democratic plantation" as the same old white supremacist tactic of flipping everything around. You say they're racist, they say you're racist. You say they're killing us, they scream "white genocide." They want to harm you, they accuse you of trying to harm them (i.e. stop resisting!). They want to bring back the plantation, they accuse you of wanting to bring it back.
This is good for confusing simple minds who won't study and analyze history and present data.

As for looking at Black America through the lens of white disgust and hatred, there's no other way for a *conservative* to look at Black America.







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26. "Beat me to it."
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>con·serv·a·tive
>kənˈsərvədiv
>
>adjective
>1.
>holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about
>change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or
>religion.
>
>noun
>1.
>a person who is averse to change and holds to traditional
>values and attitudes, typically in relation to politics.
>
>
>So when you say this...
>
>>Am I crazy but there is a big sense that the only way to be
>>down with conservatism as a person of color/black man is be
>>down with white supremacy or have white supremacy do some
>>shaping of your world view
>
>
>
>
>... that makes complete sense, because white supremacy shapes
>America's "traditional attitudes and values" and that's what a
>conservative is "conserving"... no matter what they look
>like.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ exactly this. "Traditional attitudes and values" = racist attitudes and values. America was born racist, and remains so. If you claim conservative, you are claiming racism. Agree with all you said below as well.



>>I been hearing these black conservatives talking about the
>>"democratic plantation" but nothing they say seems to be of
>>any value to black people. They look at black america
>through
>>the lens of white disgust and hatred....I can't get past 20
>>seconds of these negors talking
>
>
>I look at that "democratic plantation" as the same old white
>supremacist tactic of flipping everything around. You say
>they're racist, they say you're racist. You say they're
>killing us, they scream "white genocide." They want to harm
>you, they accuse you of trying to harm them (i.e. stop
>resisting!). They want to bring back the plantation, they
>accuse you of wanting to bring it back.
>This is good for confusing simple minds who won't study and
>analyze history and present data.
>
>As for looking at Black America through the lens of white
>disgust and hatred, there's no other way for a *conservative*
>to look at Black America.

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34. "Base"
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17. "When you paint it as a caricature (conservatism=white supremacism)...."
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...of course it's going to be hard to envision what black conservatives are thinking.

The ones I've encountered tend be religious. Or skeptical of government. Or super pro black (i.e. everything should be done within the black community without the help of outsiders)

Note that I am talking about conservatives. Not Trump supporters. Or Ted Cruz voters. Conservatives.

There is nothing inherently white supremacist about conservative philosophy. Some use it as a platform to push white supremacy. But that does not make the ideas of conservatism supremacist.

Falling back on that argument is just a way to delegitimize with little effort. No different than the guy whose only line is liberals are commies.

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21. "its not that deep (white supremacy) "
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Buy Black/ support black business has nothing to do with conservatism at all

conservatism is to conserve

do racists hide behind the would conservative? yep.

but that doesnt change the meaning of the word

  

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22. "You make it sound like Conservatives are Conservationist. LOL"
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There is a tribe of people in this country that describe themselves as conservatives and though this group has origins in conservative political philosophy, it's not really a political philosophy that binds them together. It's the identity. It's the tribe. It's the White Supremacy some would say. I find black people that identify with this group to be hustlers and shysters trying to make money or get some fame or are dealing with some self-hate.

Then there are those people who adhere to conservative ideals like famly, church, self-reliance, strong military, national identity (proud to be an American!). There are black people like this who use to call themselves conservatives that aren't terrible people. People like Colin Powell. JC Watts. My boy from college. These folks aren't that visible anymore. My boy doesn't even talk politics anymore (or rather only focus on super local politics). If we are talking this sort of conservative though, A lot of black religious leaders (including Farrahkahn) are conservatives though they don't necessarily identify as such.



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24. "yup, most black folks in the church have conservative principles"
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but most of them don't vote GOP for obvious reasons.

some that do strictly vote GOP due to abortion.

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56. "because those two ideals are at complete odds in America."
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conservatism = whiteness, neoliberalism, hyper-capitalism, and all of the bullshit that comes with the above.

  

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61. "what about Farrakhan?"
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or does he fall under the "letting white supremacy shape your policy" umbrella?

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30. ""Dipset should've let him get his ass whooped at that Chicago..."
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chicken spot"

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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

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33. "https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsr0mtLRT8"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQsr0mtLRT8

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35. "We should be well beyond thinking Kanye is a deep, political thinker. n/..."
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36. "I've always defended Ye on some "nigga trolling" steez"
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ionno tho, dude might be off.

I just want the music..

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37. "Kanye is your Donald Trump"
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Trump Supporters love to dismiss his crazy tweets as, "he's just trolling, he doesn't really mean it"

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38. "he's been past any kind of trolling for YEARS now."
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I can't understand anyone who still listens to anything he says.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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43. "Co-sign..."
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I've enjoyed most of his albums but outside of that, I don't pay attention to anything this cat says.

  

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44. "yup. years ago I had to decide ok, I'm just not acknowledging"
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anything that's not music, and really on the last album I wasn't pressed to hear that shit at all.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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40. "lol, what brand of individual ever entertained such thoughts?"
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>We should be well beyond thinking Kanye is a deep, political
>thinker.


Can't think of one "deep" verse in dude's whole catalog.

  

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65. "RE: We should be well beyond thinking Kanye is a deep, political thinker..."
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Kanye was never here for politics...

He said one thing once on tv and he became political..

Ye has always only ever been about ideas and aesthetic...

His rants are about that, his albums are about it... these tweets are the same..

He is willing to throw support behind things that challenge convention because thats been his whole point since CD

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Beyonce made the best video of all time... recognize greatness

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41. "he bout to sell 5 albums"
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or 3 million.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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45. "It really is the moment of truth. Almost all will be forgiven if all "
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bangers.


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46. "its going plat minimum"
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48. "Ye been selling less and less"
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with each album lately. since gradutation. we'll see.

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50. "With streaming isn’t this common? "
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I’m never buying an album again until I get off Spotify

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53. "correct,"
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but aren't streams counted in the sales? the paid services? not the youtubes.

I'm ignorant here.


edit...free services are included too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/hughmcintyre/2016/02/13/now-that-streaming-can-make-a-song-platinum-what-counts-and-what-doesnt/#9e5fe6b17ef9


Recently, the RIAA (Recording Industry Association of America) changed the methodology by which albums are certified gold and platinum. As of this month, streams are now being included, which modernizes the entire process. Sales of singles and albums decline every year, while the streaming industry is booming. Since the way that the masses consume music has changed, so should the way the industry recognizes success.

It might sound pretty straightforward, but there are a few important details to note in order to fully understand how an album will “go gold” from now on.

HOLLYWOOD, CA - MARCH 29: Singer Scotty McCreery (L) receives a Platinum Record from mentor Jimmy Iovine (C) and host Ryan Seacrest onstage at FOX's "American Idol" Season 11 Top 9 to 8 Live Elimination Show on March 29, 2012 in Hollywood, California. (Photo by Frank Micelotta/Invsion/AP)

How Many Streams Does It Take?

In the new structure, 150 streams of a song equals one paid download, and ten paid downloads equates to an album download. So, an artist’s music will have to be streamed on any of the approved, included services 1,500 times for an album “sale” to be counted.

If, say, 1,500 people play Taylor Swift’s “Blank Space”, that will count as one sale of her album 1989. The RIAA is still going to be specific about which songs are featured on what records, so artists will continue to see certain albums being awarded.

Which Services Are Included?

There are actually several dozen services that will be a part of this new methodology, and there are also many different types of services. The RIAA will now be accepting plays from video platforms (like YouTube), as well as on-demand sites (such as Spotify and the like). The list of services included in this new certification system is far too long to list, but it includes popular options such as Beatport, Amazon Prime Music, Deezer, and so on. It does not include radio services like Pandora and iHeartRadio, as those platforms do not allow people to choose whatever song they want whenever they want.

The list also includes some odd sites and apps, such as Hulu, Flipagram, as well as well-visited stores like Target TGT +0.9%, Kmart, and Walmart. These might not be the first places where one would go to buy or play music, but songs and albums have a place on all of these platforms, so they count towards the total consumption of an artist’s music.

Where Are These Streams Coming From?

Different services operate in different countries, depending on a number of factors. Some companies can’t get the licenses necessary to work in other territories, while some simply haven’t gotten around to expanding globally yet. Having said that, only those streams consumed within the United States count towards an album being certified, so not every YouTube view or Spotify play is included.

A handful of titles have already benefitted from this new structure, and in the coming months there are many more albums that will be certified, despite their not having actually sold a certain amount of copies.

Y'all buy those labels, I was born supreme

  

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49. "*shrug* who can tell. he'll probably do fine"
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the math is different now with streaming, and he has a lot of fans who don't care what he says or does or even if the music is good.


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52. "max"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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60. "Kanye is in legacy mode by now (think P after batman soundtrack)"
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Probably past his prime, think breh peaked with MBDTF.

But his shows will always sell out and he'll always be an influencer in fashion

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51. "Him falling for the alt-right okey doke makes sense; its all about ego"
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It basically takes your avg loser at home who feels they are being denied their birthright; they see themselves as smart so why shouldn’t they have the girl, the car and the job they want? Alt-right comes over, gives em a bunch of virtual pamphlets against group think, deep state conspiracies, etc.

For a group that’s big on “by your bootstraps” mentality their message is the opposite; “THEY are the ones holding you back and by being able to see through it not only are you not a sheep, you’re SPECIAL”.

Of course Kanye who suffers from acute small man/wee wee syndrome his whole life (Big Brother, “You Ain’t Got The Answers Sway!?!”) would fall for such nonsense. Despite having a career second to Beyonce, lol.

It’s just dumb. And the thing is at his level of superstardom Kanye literally has nothing to lose but still here we are. While Michael Jackson’s struggles with white acceptance played out with his physical looks, pretty much everyone who interacted with him off the record attested he was a regular ass black dude. It’s just disheartening at this point in time in history where the basic lines of morality/right and wrong as as black and white as they can get, he goes to that side because according to what Ebro said in their phone call “Trump met me, and Obama didn’t”.

Disgusting.

  

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55. "We need to ignore this nigga"
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58. "... but the music is hot."
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I want to ignore him too but... the production is S rank.

*blames this on the Kardashian family*

Nigga started acting like an alt right minion and talking in weird accents the second he joined that family. If that's what having fuck the planet money does to you then I'm good.

  

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62. "Kanye loves Donald Trump. Was addicted to opiates at some point"
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Says he reached out to Obama for years and couldn't get anything done. But Trump gave him a meeting.

He was questioned on if he was exploited for a photo op, Kanye says Trump is just busy

https://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/hip-hop/8371729/kanye-west-donald-trump-ebro-hot-97-video

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63. "Kanye West Talks to Ebro: 'I Love Donald Trump'"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR2qX1oQd2g

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218. "Man the comments in that video..."
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These Alt Right niggas is really riding for Kanye now

  

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66. "kanye might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone."
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just based off how widespread the coverage for this is and how many people in pop culture view him as an authority on various shit.

this isnt just some controversial twitter comment or troll job. there are social/political ramifications at play (just look how much fox news is playing it up to justify their 'thought police' culture war)

he is tweeting out videos from alt right hero dilbert dude now too smh.

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68. "lol nah"
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You going too far with it now.

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69. "i help study far right extremism/radicalization for 2 diff nonprofits"
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you sound like heinz randomly calling me crazy here:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13243188&mesg_id=13243188&listing_type=search#13246985

i suggest yall start researching the subjects you comment on *before* you casually dismiss the insight of people more informed than you.

if you want some links to relevant material to help you speak from a stronger factual foundation just ask me.
(here is a report i was involved in compiling data for:
https://datasociety.net/output/media-manipulation-and-disinfo-online)

no point in going back and forth just to constantly correct someone who had no real prior interest in the subject aside from shooting down the commentary of others. now ima just start asking yall niggas if you need links lol.


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70. "yeah that's not enough"
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you do know that it was another person on the board who claimed to be the well researched on the alt right title, before you.

>you sound like heinz calling me crazy here:
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13243188&mesg_id=13243188&listing_type=search#13246985
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Are you really using Heinz to make a point given his history and baggage ?

>i suggest yall start researching the subjects you comment on
>*before* you casually dismiss the insight of people more
>informed than you.

LOL you are more informed about what Kanye is making mainstream because you researched the alt-right ?

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>if you want some links to relevant material to help you speak
>from a stronger factual foundation just ask me.
>(here is a report i was involved in compiling data for:
>https://datasociety.net/output/media-manipulation-and-disinfo-online)
>

Yeah that's not going to cut it. Unless your links can prove Kanye can take a reasonable normal person and turn him into a tiki torch soldier, just by tweeting, it's not something you can call factual.

>no point in going back and forth just to constantly correct
>someone who had no real prior interest in the subject aside
>from shooting down the commentary of others.
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lol do you make assumptions like that when you are compiling data.

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71. "do you know what 'mainstreaming' means?"
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you seem to be equating it to actively indoctrinating/propagandizing.

maybe thats where your confusion lies.

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77. "When a large white audience picks up on it."
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>you seem to be equating it to actively
>indoctrinating/propagandizing.
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>maybe thats where your confusion lies.

Nah your confusion is thinking mainstream is more than just another way to say a large number of whites is into this now.

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81. "fam youre tying yourself in knots tryna be right by any means."
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84. "No, I'm waiting on you to prove"
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"kanye might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone."

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157. "Don't stop bro!"
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>you sound like heinz randomly calling me crazy here:
>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13243188&mesg_id=13243188&listing_type=search#13246985
>
>i suggest yall start researching the subjects you comment on
>*before* you casually dismiss the insight of people more
>informed than you.
>
>if you want some links to relevant material to help you speak
>from a stronger factual foundation just ask me.
>(here is a report i was involved in compiling data for:
>https://datasociety.net/output/media-manipulation-and-disinfo-online)
>
>no point in going back and forth just to constantly correct
>someone who had no real prior interest in the subject aside
>from shooting down the commentary of others. now ima just
>start asking yall niggas if you need links lol.
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72. "RE: kanye might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone."
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Nah... they literally did the same shit with killer mike last week..

What is mainstreaming the alt right is twitter outrage... if EVERY dissenting view gets categorized as alt right eventually every muthafucka gon be over there

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73. "except candace owens is literally alt right."
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and ye literally just introduced her to the mainstream.
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=candace%20owens

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74. "RE: except candace owens is literally alt right."
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But who is she being mainstreamed to?

The mainstream alt right? i mean every ACTUAL mainstream story is simply about kanye... alex jones is talmbout ye not candace... ionno

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75. "she is being mainstreamed to the mainstream lol."
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thats what being mentioned/cosigned by a pop culture fixture like ye does. it extended her reach/interest into the eyes and ears of a large segment of society who had no idea who she was before (the google search trend isnt just alt right users...theyre already familiar...it shot up 100x because *other* people are seeking info). not saying she is magnetizing susceptible people into alt right converts left and right. but more people are now looking into that window.

doesnt matter if she is the primary, secondary, or tertiary focus of the news coverage. she has gotten an exponentially greater amount of promo in mainstream outlets the last few days
https://www.google.com/search?q=candace+owens&tbm=nws

not to mention ye is 'redpilling' his twitter feed with literal alt right talking points (wittingly or unwittingly).

ye used to expose people to relatively obscure intellectuals, artists, designers, etc. now he is illuminating alt right figures like candace owens and scott adams.

most of 'us' prolly dont spend a lot of time in the fox news/breitbart/4 chan information sphere to grasp whats going on and how dangerous it could potentially be.

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76. "Yup. Kanye's clearly the most influencial 'get' they've gotten"
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I mean you can look at the adidas stock price pre and post Yeezy and that pretty much sums up ya questions. Yeah, this is a room of cynical old niggas so of course we don't give a fuck about the latest fashions, but you've got plenty of niggas that have a career strictly based off a Kanye co-sign.

Just because we are used to corny ass Kanye trying to make a woman's LV backpack 'pop' doesn't mean that he's not on a whole other echelon of cool to the rest of the world. People buy tickets to his shows NOT to see that nigga live, but just a chance to buy merch. Kanye even with horrible lyrics about bleached assholes modern Kanye has commoditized cool in a way I don't think any artist has. Like people went to the Pablo tour not to see that nigga perform but for a CHANCE to buy his ugly ass merch.

Kanye's perfect ally because of it. It's why Richard Spencer and Milo got put on so quickly; unlike their middle aged counterparts they have youth on their side.

There's a reason why you got Bill O'Reilly, Jordan Peterson, Alex Jones, etc...all hopping on his dick just like any bottle waitress, ipad beat producer, or aspiring streetwear designer.

The same pipelines/messageboard that helped mold ya Dylan Roof's are in a tissy because 'one of them' is telling the 'truth'. Its a god awful look all around.

While we clock it up as another Kanye-ism in a long line of bullshit, lets not downplay the bigger implications here.

  

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78. "agreed. put it like this..."
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there are actual functional/closeted racists operating in mainstream circles that stay away from the alt right because they dont wanna be stained/tarnished by the association.

and kanye just comes along like 'nah these folks are cool. theyre just free thinkers' lol.

dude basically just gave them the donald trump 'nice people too' voucher in a more subtle but impactful way. because you cant call ye racist since hes black (which is why the right likes black attack dogs like candace owens). and while trump was redundantly signaling to people like himself/them, kanye is helping to normalize them to a much larger and unaware/unsuspecting audience.

>The same pipelines/messageboard that helped mold ya Dylan
>Roof's are in a tissy because 'one of them' is telling the
>'truth'. Its a god awful look all around.
>
>While we clock it up as another Kanye-ism in a long line of
>bullshit, lets not downplay the bigger implications here.


this is what a lot of people dont get. its part of broader/complex radicalization pathway.

like that quebec mosque shooter who killed 6 muslims. they looked at his social media interactions and its heavily dominated by alt right, fox news, infowars, breitbart, and ben shapiro (like an alt right 80s easy listening station lol).
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbLFbhMU0AAlIzj.jpg

these folks arent telling their followers to go out and kill muslims. but the constant vitriol, gaslighting, dehumanizing, and fear mongering leads to inciting someone to act violently towards people they are convinced are existential threats to their life and culture.

and now ye is basically cold calling and soft selling their propaganda to fresh potential leads like an introductory box set.

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79. "Adidas stock? Maybe niggas just like his shoes? "
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Iont see how that means he is a major influence for the alt right.

man, yall niggas...lol

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83. "Hold up man you didn't do the research"
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Nobody was saying snowflake, triggered and swj until Kanye came back to twitter. lol

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86. "these niggas man...lol"
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they so smart

the media legitimized the alt right with their love affair of Trumps message early on. Then they gave a bunch of alt right dudes all types of air time

Ye was late as fuck.. late registration? but he did the most damage?

F.O.H.

Now his message is indeed damaging but nah.. he didn't bring shit to the mainstream.

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88. "oh ok you edited. let me ask you this."
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if the people/outlets you alluded to played more of a part in mainstreaming the alt right...then why did so many people not know who candance owens is until ye mentioned her?

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91. "from my research Candace didn't launch Red Pill until 2017"
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in 2015 she was calling the Tea Party bat shit crazy...


in 2016 she launched an anti bullying doxing site...

seems like she just started this alt right push last year.


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124. "so kanye did in 1 tweet what no other platform could do in a year."
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93. "My man this is simple."
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You said (paraphrasing) "Kanye did more to mainstream the alt right than anyone"

Lurkmode, legs, et al, are harping on that hyperbolic statement because it is ludicrous. Kanye may not be helping, but he absolutely did *not* do more to mainstream the alt right than anyone else. That's an insane statement.

But instead of correcting or explaining that statement, your responses keep referencing this specific instance of Kanye mentioning, and as a result mainstreaming, Candace Owens. One specific, anecdotal instance of mainstreaming an alt right figure.

Your original statement should have been "Kanye did more to mainstream Candace Owens than anyone"

Kanye did *not* mainstream the alt right. If you correct that statement, I think maybe, perhaps, this brutal back and forth may cease. Which will be a positive for everyone.


>if the people/outlets you mentioned played more of a part in
>mainstreaming the alt right...then why did so many people not
>know who candance owens is until ye mentioned her?

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95. "basically"
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96. "That"
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>Your original statement should have been "Kanye did more to
>mainstream Candace Owens than anyone"
>


is all he had to say.

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97. "yep, bc hes right about everything else"
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but the question then is mainstreaming her synonymous with mainstreaming the alt right?

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100. "Yea exactly. I think he's raised some important points."
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And his perspective is good considering the work he does. But that hyperbole doesn't help the cause. Haha.

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127. "'kanye is helping to mainstream candace owens"
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and encouraging/promoting further normalization of the alt right by extension.'

is that cool?

yall niggas really losing your mind in here over this shit lol.

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129. "nah, we just ain't going overboard with it"
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131. "Yes. There's a huge difference between this and what you ..."
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... originally said. So yes, it's cool(er).

>RE: 'kanye is helping to mainstream candace owens
>and encouraging/promoting further normalization of the alt
>right by extension.'
>
>is that cool?
>
>yall niggas really losing your mind in here over this shit
>lol.

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132. "aight i can live with that."
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112. "this is my question as well:"
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>but the question then is mainstreaming her synonymous with
>mainstreaming the alt right?

i can see why some would trip up on the specification/delineation. i think its important to be precise as possible too.

but is the delineation even necessary/substantive?

if someone cosigns and expands the platform for an antivaxxer, are they not doing the same for the anti-vaccination movement?

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152. "the alt-right has been on every major network for the past 18 months"
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so yes, the delineation is quite important, lol

  

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102. "he has mainstream and pop fluff outlets covering the alt right."
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not just mainstream news outlets.

mainstream at large.

in a few days he has already taken the alt right from pundit/chatter class debates to casual kitchen table conversation.

how often was the alt right being talked about on tmz, breakfast club, hot 97, black twitter, ig model feeds, etc?

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110. "the mainstream BEEN covering the alt-right"
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do you live under a rock?

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115. "All these outlets have been covering 45* and his ilk ..."
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... ad nauseum since 2015. Kanye West is not fucking responsible for that.

Charlottesville and the Nazi heroes who emerged in the aftermath, were covered on all the puff sites you speak of and in mainstream media endlessly all last summer/fall. Kanye fucking West is not responsible for that.

He is responsible for the rise in interest in this particular woman, in this particular situation. And has been responsible for other one-off instances as well, both alt-right related and everything else related. He's a pop phenomenon.

But holy shit he IS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR MAINSTREAMING THE ALT RIGHT MOVEMENT. THAT IS HYPERBOLIC AND LUDICROUS AND IRRESPONSIBLE TO SAY. I think Kanye is a loser and his recent statements about 45* and Owens are irresponsible at best, and harmful to his own community at ... second best. And he's done this before. But to say that KANYE WEST IS RESPONSIBLE for the alt-right's mainstream popularity is lunacy and you need to not double and triple down on it.


>not just mainstream news outlets.
>
>mainstream at large.
>
>in a few days he has already taken the alt right from
>pundit/chatter class debates to casual kitchen table
>conversation.
>
>how often was the alt right being talked about on tmz,
>breakfast club, hot 97, black twitter, ig model feeds, etc?

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90. "Exactly"
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>they so smart
>
>the media legitimized the alt right with their love affair of
>Trumps message early on. Then they gave a bunch of alt right
>dudes all types of air time
>
>Ye was late as fuck.. late registration? but he did the most
>damage?
>
>F.O.H.
>
>Now his message is indeed damaging but nah.. he didn't bring
>shit to the mainstream.


^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ all of this

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80. "yep...like Ebro said...it's dangerous...he's in too deep at this point"
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85. "i gotta listen to that."
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i saw it floating around my timeline but didnt get a chance to peep.

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87. "he was spot on with everything"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR2qX1oQd2g

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89. "oh dude is flat out saying he loves trump now."
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after all thats gone down.

i was operating under some 'lord forgive him for he knows not what he does' possibility shit. buy maybe dude is just neck deep in it.

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92. "maybe.. or maybe he has some shit to sell us"
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like dude said up top.

Every time Ye has some shit to sell he pops up saying dumb shit.

dude reminds me of the devils advocate shit from freshman year in college.





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94. "could be."
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i guess dude coulda been thinking of the best way to drum up the most pre-launch controversy and pretty much exhausted every other avenue at this stage in his career lol.

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101. "folks keep saying Ye and the Kardashians are masterminds of media"
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but IMO that's EXACTLY what they do.

They know they could say the right shit and do the right shit and get a round of applause but that doesn't cut through all the chatter.

Say some dumb shit or date a ball player and have him cheat on you and OH NOES!!! SHIT IS REAL. THEY CRAZY AND NEED HELP

then they sit back and laugh at everyone running around arguing over how real or fake it is

but I also think this is a great view into the Dem vs GOP. Dems love to push climate change and college while the GOP screams fake news and damn near every time the GOP wins the messaging debate because they keep shit simple.. and dumb.

Americans don't like their entertainers smart and well rounded.

WE DO but America likes/needs to feel like "even though I'm living check to check at least I ain't dumb and shallow like Ye and Kim"




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109. "u make them out to be the illuminati though"
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they capitalize moreso than pull puppet strings

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116. "I make them out to be attention craving assholes"
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99. "that's even worse lmao"
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why do we care whether or not he actually believes it

spouting some shit he doesn't believe for money which he s going to get either way is significantly shittier

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103. "we care because it's not hard to do"
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and yes, it's even shittier..

but it's marketing in America in 2018.

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105. "yeah the consequences are the same in this instance."
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114. "Fuck! Kanye got me liking Ebro!!!! ...I hate Ebro!!!!"
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98. "omg yall jumping off the cliff w/ this shit."
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the alt-right BEEN hot and mainstream. but yeah lets blame kanye for it.

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108. "Is Fox News not mainstream?"
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They have some of the bigger alt right names on there from time to time.

Tucker Carlson basically has an alt-right show. 70% of his show is scaring folks about demographic changes. He was defending Milo Yiannopoulos just last night

An alt right blogger got a 60 Minutes feature. They are all up in the mainstream already

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117. "is pop culture not more mainstream than fox news?"
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fox news gets like 2-3 mil viewers at peak primetime. something like big bang theory gets almost 20 mil.

ye brought it closer to that big bang crowd. like the alt right is being covered on mediatakeout, perez hilton, tmz, e!, etc. because of a few tweets.

im not saying ye brought the alt right out of complete obscurity. just that he could have potentially pushed it into the consciousness of a much larger swath of people that hadnt previously been exposed to it.

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133. "Mainstreaming means making something normal. Kanye didn't do that"
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If Kanye tweets about some obscure artist, that person isn't all of sudden mainstream. That person becomes mainstream only when she is widely played.

That's why folks are saying he's not mainstreaming the alt-right. He is way late to the party. It's been mainstream. The fact that alt-right is common terminology illustrates that.

He brought this particular lady's name to the attention of some new people. But him just mentioning a name doesn't make the ideology or movement normalized.

It is mainstreamed when it is talked about widely and openly. It isn't taboo to talk about alt-right ideas anymore. It's been mainstream for a couple of years.

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159. "mainstreaming and normalization technically arent the same thing."
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(though they generally occur together)
and both dont necessarily depend on occurring among the *entire* majority or even a plurality. and there is fluidity and different degrees to each as well.

i think people are viewing mainstreaming/normalization as some tangible absolute barrier thats crossed instead of a spectrum.

like once you hit the mainstream border theres no more maintstreaming to travel to lol.

an example stringing all of the above together...

after a bunch of rule changes, lobbying, informational/educational efforts, dana white helped normalize mma to a general sports audience around early 2000s (it wasnt just seen as human cockfighting anymore). it took a while longer to normalize among larger society, family households, etc.

concurrently...

it started getting mainstreamed like around the bonnar/griffin tuf 1 fight, tito/liddell prime, in the mid 2000s.

it got further mainstreamed to a new level with gsp.

it got further mainstreamed to a new level when brock lesnar came.

then it got further mainstreamed to a new level with rousey/mcgregor.

even still...the large majority of sports fans watch nfl, nba and baseball. mma is relatively still small-scale (the entire ufc sold for the price of just the dallas cowboys alone).

so even tho the alt right might have been at tito/liddell or even gsp...kanye could potentially take it to brock. maybe someone else comes along and takes it to rousey/mcgregor.

doesnt mean the majority are active participants or agree with it.
doesnt even mean the majority is acutely knowledgeable or in tune with it. just means someone amplified its reach and helped it climb atop another successive plateau. something that was done before and could be done after.

make sense?

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130. "I had the same reaction."
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Kanye's giving them a shortcut to appeal to authority "because Kanye said so"

or "Kanye tweeted this"

"Good enough for Kanye, why not you?"

Cause Kanye needs external validation.

and these folks are using Kanye as their frame of reference.

So yeah.

Damage done on the folks waffling back and forth and who obstinately "don't understand why everything is about race."

  

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67. "Black Skinhead..."
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Kinda takes on a new light.

  

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104. "shit, the confederate merchandise from a few years back..."
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106. "Kanye is the next OJ... "
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jus so yall niggas know whats coming

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113. "^ ^ ^Sees it!"
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I tried ta told deez ninjaz.



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118. "I've been thinking this too. His greatest work of art will be......."
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It will be the Trial of the Century.

Of course I hope that's not the case. But I can see his crazy ass going there....


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120. "OJ killed somebody and had no classic albums or shoes. try again."
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122. "these niggas man...lol"
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talking about how crazy Ye is and then saying crazier shit.

That nigga ain't no OJ. He just tweeting between studio breaks.


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136. "historically though, if u think about it"
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there was a time when OJ was "that dude" (hell, he was in ROOTS)

folks just didn't know how far he was off in the weeds of thinking he was a THEM and not an US

i can see Kanye going there too

i think he lost it (whatever last little bit there was) when his mom died

i think she was his tether and when she was gone

so was he

at this point i wouldn't put ANYTHING past him

  

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138. "oj had a history of domestic violence, cte and violent tendencies"
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stop it.

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142. "riiiight"
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and kanye (except the cte...maybe)?

  

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177. "the burden of evidence is on you."
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when has anyone EVER accused ye of anything of the sort? he's been accused of a lot of things but never any sort of violence.

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185. "burden of evidence??!"
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lol

u funny

(thats a good one)

  

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139. "you aint need to explain that..let these stans keep thinking "
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"oh hes fine, he just tweeting between studio breaks"



>there was a time when OJ was "that dude" (hell, he was in
>ROOTS)
>
>folks just didn't know how far he was off in the weeds of
>thinking he was a THEM and not an US
>
>i can see Kanye going there too
>
>i think he lost it (whatever last little bit there was) when
>his mom died
>
>i think she was his tether and when she was gone
>
>so was he
>
>at this point i wouldn't put ANYTHING past him

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146. "but if it doesn't happen then what? "
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such an odd prediction.

If anything I see Kanye checking out the hotel or dying in his sleep suddenly.

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156. "if what happens?"
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he *just* cosigned the thinking of a Black person who hates Black people

if you listen to his music, how often does he say something that ELEVATES "us" rather than disparages us (Black women in particular)?

  

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162. "Huh? I’m talking the OJ prediction"
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I think that’s a silly comparison unless it’s just the “I’m not Black, I’m Kanye” but actually ending up on trial? Nah

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164. "we didn't OJ would do all that till he did it"
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hubris is a mug

>.... unless it’s just the
>“I’m not Black, I’m Kanye”

it starts somewhere....

  

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167. "yeah see, I'm not willing to go there with Ye..lol"
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plenty of Black dudes date/marry non Black and don't end up like OJ.

but I definitely agree that surrounding yourself with that type of energy can lead to unhealthy things.

a friend of mine in LA recently said the one thing he hates about LA is the lack of Blackness in the industry.

he said "you can sell Blackness all day but they don't really want you to live it"

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192. "all im saying is"
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after all he's done

i wouldn't be shocked by anything he does

anything SPECIFIC is conjecture, and i'm not THAT invested in him like that

  

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140. "nah.. I don't see it"
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at most I see him trowing a tantrum and breaking vases in the house.

or better yet, almost breaking a vase and then getting distracted by the artwork.



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145. "a Black man surrounded by white women who hate Black women"
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that nigga aint who you think he is....

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165. "oh, if that's what he is getting at then sure.. 100%"
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but I thought he was talking about the other stuff.

and not trying to shit on LA but it's something I definitely noticed when I visit LA. It's real easy to end up on some Varnell Hill steez.

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160. "both iconically ran through airports lol."
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unintentional symbolism/parallel.

maybe ye really followed stacy dash (metaphorically speaking lol)

on serious note...leaving the psychological/criminal angle to the side...there are some pretty direct resemblances between the two in terms of race, stardom, social mobility, self-identity, etc. its a pretty similar trajectory.

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123. "so what Stan...Kanye aint got no Johnnie Cochran (RIP) either "
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126. "it actually hurts to consider this. "
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Then again...Phil Spector

Then again...he could chill and go the Quincy Jones route. Just old and crazy

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128. "Quincy's old and crazy? "
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I just think he's old and don't give a fuck but maybe that's what crazy is these days...

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149. "I don't mean clinically. I mean, not giving a shit. "
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you can't live through the shit hes been through and come out normal.

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151. "LoL "
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107. "In the end, it's not that surprising"
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Kanye's view of the world and movement within it lines up perfectly with Trump.

His relationships are transactional and his loyalties are to what and whoever cosigns his "genius" or his aesthetic sensibility. (shouts to double0 who put it this way above) To his credit, he has often been proven right when capitalizing on a certain movement or moment. Sounds like Trump. The ultimate salesmen. I mean, he joined the family that has mastered this concept.

In music, he has always found a way to latch onto something that was of the moment, even when that moment was about "backpack rap" and soul samples, so a lot of us that prefer that kind of stuff lifted him up in the beginning. But in the end, he has no loyalty to a sound or to a culture.

Even his production and rhymes are mostly someone else's ideas coopted and flipped to fit the Kanye brand. Just as Trump gained notoriety by stamping his name on other people's projects, Kanye, present day Kanye anyway, is largely in the business of success by proxy. Give me your talent, I will give you my brand.

Nas by Kanye and Cudi by Kanye, if they ever see the light of day, will only further serve that brand.

To sum it all up, Kanye West does not care about Black people.
Until they are the target market.

This dude will never cease to be fascinating to me.
But yea, that's some dumb shit...

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121. "pretty much"
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125. "good points."
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134. "additionally"
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if you have paid ANY kind of attention to him

none of this is surprising

he a mess

he BEEN a mess

messy people do messed up things

why be surprised by that?

only reason would be because you fell for it earlier (i recall the dancing in the streets after the "buch don't like Black people" bit) and thought he wouldn't flip on you (like he has on LITERALLY everyone else)

c'mon now

  

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137. "I won't put it on his character. Being around rich white ppl"
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can change you.


What's also interesting to me was it seemed like Jay-Z was drifting towards that sort of New Negro talk but it looks like Beyonce brought his ass back to the black side.



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141. "Black booty keeps you grounded"
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144. "RE: Black booty keeps you grounded"
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No....

This is the SAME Kanye.. the Kardashians are all democrats

He likes trump for all the same reasons EVERY rapper liked trump in the 90s and 00s..

Trump has always operated basically like a rapper.. He is an avatar

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148. "i'm not talking politics or Trump"
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I'm talking self hate, white is right, identity, new negro outlook on life.

and yes, rappers loved Trump because he was all glammed up, you don't see those rappers on Trumps nutz in 2016 like in the 80's and 90's.





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154. "RE: Black booty keeps you grounded"
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Trump was a Democrat too...
Or at least openly donated to them when he knew it would serve his interests to.
I think like most things it's a little from column A, a little from column B.
Kanye has definitely ALWAYS had that ambitious, I wanna be rich and trendy mindset.
Then he became rich and became the trendsetter. And the trends that he is deciding to set are deeply problematic.
Those cosigning him right now firmly believe in the exultation of self over anything else.
He jumps on that kind of stuff thinking it defines him as a "free thinker", untethered to any ideology or trend, because he is the ideology. He is the trend. I am a god.
And Jay was definitely on some of that with the "do what thou wilt" shirts and all that.
But yea, both of them have always been capitalists over anything else. They serve whatever serves them.
New slaves.

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158. "Very well said"
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163. "hmm"
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you kinda dropping bombs up in this post

nice

  

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241. "RE: Black booty keeps you grounded"
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>No....
>
>This is the SAME Kanye.. the Kardashians are all democrats
>
>He likes trump for all the same reasons EVERY rapper liked
>trump in the 90s and 00s..
>
>Trump has always operated basically like a rapper.. He is an
>avatar
>


I disagree, this is not the same Kanye. I don't know how you can come up on Brand Nubian and biting rhymes from X-Clan (when he was doing grammar school talent shows), passionately speak on the plight of Black people during Katrina, and then end up on the side that is known for being against Black people.

People say Kanye is not political but yet he mentions running for president in 2020 (possibly along Kid Rock...lol), takes a meeting with current president, and vocally supports him.

Rappers liked Trump in the 90's because he was rich and a playboy, not his political views (especially when he went after the Central Park 5). If he would've aligned himself with the Klan back then the way he does now, it would have been way different.

  

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143. "Absolutely"
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>What's also interesting to me was it seemed like Jay-Z was
>drifting towards that sort of New Negro talk but it looks like
>Beyonce brought his ass back to the black side.


she definitely holdin the torch right now
and jay holdin her purse in the waiting area

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147. "jay was def getting closer to that 'black republican' shit."
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150. "I mean...Dave Chappelle outlined the thinking on SNL. "
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i wouldnt be surprised if Jay was repub for fiscal reasons

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155. "I've realized in recent years that to be "fiscally conservative" ..."
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Tue Apr-24-18 11:56 AM by Brew

          

... is to contribute to ongoing economic depression of minority groups, however directly or indirectly. The two things are inextricably tied.

So I often find it strange when someone identifies as "socially progressive, fiscally conservative." I don't think you can be both, no matter how bad you want to be.


>i wouldnt be surprised if Jay was repub for fiscal reasons

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173. "Fuck that. Some times it comes down to just not wanting to pay 50+%"
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Of your income to taxes.

Even J Cole is talking about it on his new Album.


>... is to contribute to ongoing economic depression of
>minority groups, however directly or indirectly. The two
>things are inextricably tied.
>
>So I often find it strange when someone identifies as
>"socially progressive, fiscally conservative." I don't think
>you can be both, no matter how bad you want to be.
>
>
>>i wouldnt be surprised if Jay was repub for fiscal reasons
>


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181. "Haha but I think issues with the tax code are bipartisan."
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I hardly think someone who's simply sick of paying over half their income in taxes would identify, fully, as "fiscally conservative".

I mean I get what you're saying but I think there's a huge difference between a wealthy person thinking taxes are bullshit, and identifying as a Republican/fiscal conservative. The latter comes with a LOT more implications.

In other words there are plenty of wealthy Democrats/left wingers who'd prefer not to pay 50%+ in taxes, too.

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199. "It's the other side of the equation that distinguishes Republicans"
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No one is going to really object to lower taxes across the board, holding everything else equal.

But you can't cut taxes without paying for it......
http://www.midwestsportsfans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/mj-laughing.gif

Traditionally republicans will fight to cut spending to pay for tax cuts. The spending cuts would largely come from entitlements (welfare, SS, medicare/medicaid).

Democrats would fight to pay for it with increased taxes on the higher incomes (to pay for middle income tax cuts)

But this time around Republicans said forgot the old playbook. They won't even whisper about spending cuts of any kind

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201. "Well, this is kind of a separate discussion but they passed it ..."
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Tue Apr-24-18 02:43 PM by Brew

          

... by lying about spending cuts. They *want* to subsequently cut spending on SS, Medicare, welfare, etc ... they just lied about those intentions in the tax bill and pursued that stuff after it passed, and buried it in the tax bill.

Edit for links:

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/12/18/16741730/gop-agenda-medicare-social-security

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/20/opinion/republican-tax-bill-senate-house.html

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/tax-bill-2017/card/1510696375


>But this time around Republicans said forgot the old playbook.
>They won't even whisper about spending cuts of any kind

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170. "His comments are not suprising but Kanye and Trump are not "
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the "ultimate salesmen.

>Kanye's view of the world and movement within it lines up
>perfectly with Trump.
>
>His relationships are transactional and his loyalties are to
>what and whoever cosigns his "genius" or his aesthetic
>sensibility. (shouts to double0 who put it this way above) To
>his credit, he has often been proven right when capitalizing
>on a certain movement or moment. Sounds like Trump. The
>ultimate salesmen. I mean, he joined the family that has
>mastered this concept.
>

Some of his is true but if Trump and Kanye were the ultimate salesmen why would they need shock to sell the brand ?

>In music, he has always found a way to latch onto something
>that was of the moment, even when that moment was about
>"backpack rap" and soul samples, so a lot of us that prefer
>that kind of stuff lifted him up in the beginning. But in the
>end, he has no loyalty to a sound or to a culture.
>

So he takes advantage of something already there.

>Even his production and rhymes are mostly someone else's ideas
>coopted and flipped to fit the Kanye brand. Just as Trump
>gained notoriety by stamping his name on other people's
>projects, Kanye, present day Kanye anyway, is largely in the
>business of success by proxy. Give me your talent, I will give
>you my brand.
>
>Nas by Kanye and Cudi by Kanye, if they ever see the light of
>day, will only further serve that brand.
>
>To sum it all up, Kanye West does not care about Black
>people.
>Until they are the target market.
>
>This dude will never cease to be fascinating to me.
>But yea, that's some dumb shit...

Which means all the extra in this thread is ridiculous. He's Trump, he's OJ, he's mainstreaming alt-right, lol

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187. "he's a nigga that made a few good albums"
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and we hope he can return to form

but in the mean time the nigga been saying some crazy shit.

that's it, that's all.

dude said him and Dame get along because they ASSHOLES..

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190. "Yep that's it"
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193. "I don't think we disagree on much..."
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>Some of his is true but if Trump and Kanye were the ultimate
>salesmen why would they need shock to sell the brand ?

Well, a big part of being the ultimate salesman is having the ultimate product.
And to be clear, I'm not saying Kanye IS Trump, but I see how they would recognize aligned interests and tactics in each other.
The brand has been and will always be success. Shock is a possible marketing ploy. Sometimes the marketing is centered around glamour. Sometimes it's centered around grievance and comeuppance.
They both use them as devices to get what they want and seize opportunities to sell themselves as the arbiters of success.
But Trump is definitely a different, more dangerous beast.

Trump is playing around with centuries of racial grievance on the world political stage and inciting animus in the populace.
Kanye alludes to racism to get a spot in fashion week.

In this case he cosigned something that makes himself fit to be exploited and appropriated by the former.


>So he takes advantage of something already there.
>

Yep. Like a good salesman recognizing a market opportunity.

>
>Which means all the extra in this thread is ridiculous. He's
>Trump, he's OJ, he's mainstreaming alt-right, lol
>

Yea, there is definitely some hyperbole and conjecture in some of that.
Even in what I'm saying.
But I see the connections and I can understand the response to his recklessness.

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198. "Good points, solid argument"
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>>Some of his is true but if Trump and Kanye were the
>ultimate
>>salesmen why would they need shock to sell the brand ?
>
>Well, a big part of being the ultimate salesman is having the
>ultimate product.
>And to be clear, I'm not saying Kanye IS Trump, but I see how
>they would recognize aligned interests and tactics in each
>other.
>The brand has been and will always be success. Shock is a
>possible marketing ploy. Sometimes the marketing is centered
>around glamour. Sometimes it's centered around grievance and
>comeuppance.
>They both use them as devices to get what they want and seize
>opportunities to sell themselves as the arbiters of success.
>But Trump is definitely a different, more dangerous beast.
>
>Trump is playing around with centuries of racial grievance on
>the world political stage and inciting animus in the
>populace.
>Kanye alludes to racism to get a spot in fashion week.
>
>In this case he cosigned something that makes himself fit to
>be exploited and appropriated by the former.
>
>
>>So he takes advantage of something already there.
>>
>
>Yep. Like a good salesman recognizing a market opportunity.
>
>>
>>Which means all the extra in this thread is ridiculous. He's
>>Trump, he's OJ, he's mainstreaming alt-right, lol
>>
>
>Yea, there is definitely some hyperbole and conjecture in some
>of that.
>Even in what I'm saying.
>But I see the connections and I can understand the response to
>his recklessness.
>

Can't disagree with any of that.

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153. "Im'ma wait until I hear the album..."
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I'm a believer that "creatives" speak better through their art. I just hope it's good...

  

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161. "Why wait? What does this quote have to do with his music?"
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and I’m a fan.

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166. "Oh no"
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>I'm a believer that "creatives" speak better through their
>art. I just hope it's good...


He said he loves Trump, how can he speak better about that ?

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168. "beats so hot she gonna forget he said it"
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174. "lol right?"
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The f*ck does his album have to do with it.

Especially since it will be rhymes written by someone
else anyway.

Guess she thinks ye will be able to ‘better express
himself’ with someone else’s words?

This entire thing is a disgrace

  

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171. "If I said I love food..."
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wouldn’t you question what “kind” of food
I hope so...
what do I mean by “I love it”?
don’t just take pieces of the conversation and run with it
allow me to explain myself....if you don’t get it



  

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176. "Good point but"
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His actions speak louder than words. He met with Trump and he told Ebro Trump is challenging established systems.

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180. "I hear you but you know Kanye be saying crazy stuff then apologize..."
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Is he even hanging with the right crew now?

  

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186. "True."
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Whoever he's hanging with hey are not helping him.

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233. ""Don't ever fix your lips like collagen... "
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And say something when you gon' end up apoloGEEin" - Ye


Funny he was the one who said that.

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182. "maybe I'm different but if you said you loved food..I'd take it at face"
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value lol
like...ok...she loves food or she likes to eat



especially since I didn't ask

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183. "how about saying what you want us to hear? "
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188. "and that makes total sense..."
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hence the post...our assumptions. I’m just sayin’, I’ll wait until after I hear his music because artist usually address rumors in their songs...raps.

I could be crazy too tho but that’s how I be listening to stuff lol

  

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194. "These aren’t rumors "
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>hence the post...our assumptions. I’m just sayin’, I’ll
>wait until after I hear his music because artist usually
>address rumors in their songs...raps.
>
>I could be crazy too tho but that’s how I be listening to
>stuff lol
>
>

Honest question- do you even know what we are all
talking about? You don’t even seem like you know
what has happened.

Plus your food analogy is straight up strange.

Do you know why people are upset/frustrated/etc
with Kanye West?

I

  

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196. "the point is..."
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before I make a judgment about him I wanna hear what else he has to say. The fact that I don’t agree with you doesn’t mean I don’t understand. Because It’s not uncommon of us to take words out of context.


  

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203. "Gotdamn, you outside the bunker Trin. "
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I know you are a fan but the nigga said what he said.. ain’t no rumors or need to see if he will clean up his words.

You sound like those white folk who go “I know what he said but it isn’t what’s in his heart”

Just enjoy the music but don’t come in here showing your loyalty.

You outside the bunker again Trin.

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248. "Huh? Regardless of your opinion these arent"
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Rumors.

Your boy is legit wearing a MAGA hat and
getting cosigned by Akex Jones for christ
sake.

I guess you can continue to stan, but you arent
allowed to play dumb.

These arent rumors. There is nothing to clear up.

  

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253. "yall gotta chill..."
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first. I am not a stan for Kanye...

however, my life experiences reminds me that its good to hear someone out before I form an opinion. With this in mind, anything outside of his exact words "technically" are rumors...assumptions. Regardless of "what it looks like". My replies were with regards to his statement about loving Trump.

"What did he mean by it."
"Why did he say that"

to my knowledge, he hasn't addressed that. I'm not bent out of shape if he does in fact love him.

you ain't gotta like what I said just know ain't shit naive about my opinion. I'm not sitting around angry about what some other nigga said. He doesn't speak for me and I don't buy his shit.









  

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254. "cmon..."
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These aren't rumors. You are "waiting to hear what he has to say"...it is literally happening right now.

He's saying it. There is nothing to wait on.

Check the timeline, check the interview, etc.


That's why I wonder if you have really been following the situation. I don't mean it as snark. You legit don't seem to understand that there is nothing to clear up.

You seem to think it is rumors and hearsay. It is right out of his mouth.

Clown is out here really saying he loves Trump, wearing a MAGA hat, etc. There is nothing for him to clear up.

He is showing it to you now.

Folks are reacting to what he has said, and continues to say.

Honestly you saying "I'm going to wait until the album to hear how he addresses this" is not only weird and naïve, but literally reminds me of "he won't be like this once he wins the nomination" or "he won't be like this when he is President"

He's literally telling you who he is right now.


What you do with that, is on you of course. But you can't keep pretending this isn't him.


Now why he hates his own blackness is another question.

  

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255. "RE: cmon.."
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if you really wanna get specific you should also mentioned how he also said, he loves everybody...

What did he mean by that?

  

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261. "https://media.giphy.com/media/CycIvRahkUp0Y/giphy.gif"
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https://media.giphy.com/media/CycIvRahkUp0Y/giphy.gif

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197. "what assumption? the nigga said it lol..it's a conclusion...he loves"
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Trump

i'm free to do with that what i will and don't need a further explanation


i don't need to see the person who lit the match to conclude there is a fire

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169. "Lol and there it is"
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Tue Apr-24-18 01:08 PM by Stadiq

          

Why on earth should he consider how his ignorance
can do harm....

When the response is ‘I just hope the album lit’

SMH

Not to mention, this cornball hasn’t made a decent
album in 7 years.

If we could all agree to just mute this clown everyone
would be better off.

Looks like Cyhi is on that shit too. I guess if you
ghost write for someone enough you start to
share their damaged, unoriginal brain?

Fuck ye. Let’s all move on.

How about we celebrate the artists he steals from
instead?

  

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172. "by hoping the album is good..."
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I mean. I hope he does a good job addressing the concerns some of y’all have about him. Most artists do that....


  

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175. "I think a better idea is to separate his music from his personal life"
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TBH the fact that you're even a mod here fits squarely within Jag's narrative of OK-sanctioned aggression, bullying, and toxicity. *shrug*

  

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178. "shut up nigga..."
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He’s a damn artist
it’s connected

Like. If you really real....

can’t believd you said some dumb shit like that lol


  

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184. "I love food"
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191. "beans, greens, potatoes..."
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lol

#we family

  

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179. "Nah you don’t get it"
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Unfortunately, his words and actions have influence.

No album is going to change Ye’s character and ignorance.

No hot beats are going to make us forget.

Not to mention, he’s been trash anyway.


But we shouldn’t shrug off nonsense cuz someone
drops a dope album anyway.

Expect more.

  

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189. "k (c) SoWhat"
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209. "R.Kelly pumps his fist to this idea"
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195. "so the toronto van attacker is an incel 4chan dude"
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DbgV6e2V4AAHkil.jpg

incel is some goofy mens rights shit. basically women are victimizing men by making them involuntarily celibate. not technically alt right but overlaps a lot of with the alt right. a lot of the misogyny and racism are tied to the same white male entitlement complex. same/similar crowd on 4chan and reddit. white loser cross-pollination lol.

they got the incel shit directly off his facebook postings. wouldnt be surprised to see more of a direct alt right influence the more they dig.

but this is the type of crowd that ye could be potentially funneling more people into. redpillers, incel, mgtow, etc.

larger problem. young males are being radicalized in these online cesspools. but because they arent from a certain ethnicity, religion or ideology, they arent being treated as a radical/extremist network.

le/intel agencies need to be combing 4chan/gab/discord to monitor/infiltrate this shit like they do with muslims, black lives matter, etc.

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200. "Huh? These types don’t need Ye to help them hate"
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they already mad as shit because Obama, Mexicans and women are stealing their joy.

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202. "Yea this is weird."
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Really weird.

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204. "He won’t throw in the damn towel on this theory. "
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206. "He is dedicated"
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Next he's going to tie Reagan and Goldwater in with Kanye.

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205. "a lot of people arent already any of that fam lol."
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you seem to be under the impression you already gotta be alt right to be attracted to the alt right lol.

like a lot of mild mannered, socially awkward/disconnected, prom-skipper, youtube surfer, gamer types get funneled into that shit. i posted about how steven bannon and milo intentionally targeted these type of people.

not everyone started out as a raging racist or even politically/socially polarized.

ye is telling people someone is cool. some people get curious and go check out this cool new person theyve been introduced to. some are gonna be intrigued and develop a connection. then they follow others who are similar. then they start frequenting the same boards, apps, social spaces and adapting the same outlook/ideology. and so on.

that google trend link i posted in here shows large clusters of new searchers searching for candace owens...then her youtube...then red pill blue pill...etc. some of those folks are gonna stick around.

im not sure why thats a difficult concept for you to understand.

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208. "I will admit I have a hard time believing the folks who stick around"
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were lost in the woods until Ye hipped them to Candace

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216. "could be ye, could be somebody else. real world example for you:"
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1 nonprofit im working with is doing some predictive behavior study shit. basically figuring out signs that indicate someone is likely/susceptible to being radicalized. and maybe figuring out signs to the signs.

but ive literally watched some of the people we track on social media 'transform' in real-time over the course of months or a few years (beginning before we started actively tracking). its wild.

like this one chick started out a super liberal stoner/rager type. working in a dispensary, partying, getting drugged up, etc.
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/458317725345914880

was no fan of republicans:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/699653809673359361

big obama fan (both of them):
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/753702003423911937
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/758104056543875072

even loved bill clinton lol:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/601081043261661184
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/601081438180483072

eventually made her way around to being a bernie fan:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/716421898318385153
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/733111080151474177

because of course hillary clinton was cold, crazy, corrupt, etc.
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/722608812620795904
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/742007398752083969

then of course the hillary-donald similar evils equivalency:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/779004999598616577

and some nice clinton conspiracy/fake news she started falling for online:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/768292578353487872

eventually got into folks like jordan peterson:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/882350003410182144

and ben shapiro:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/902562021442334720

and then before you know it:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/963113618425356289
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/963115502468919296
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/950742569167695872
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/959168575662518272
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/988185130870059008


complete left to right transition in less than 2 years.


of course she loves the candace owens shout out from ye:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/987702652812210176

and loves candaces response:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/987702810555777025

salute to kanye redpilling the normies:
https://twitter.com/Malek_Broham/status/987706897645162496


you see how easy it was for this chick to completely switch course and start getting into that crowd just off casual interest/interaction.

now imagine someone as influential as ye just putting people right at that doorstep.

even this chick realizes the potential:
https://twitter.com/lilmsragerr/status/987709052334456832







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221. "they not trying to hear you though"
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part of the problem with the american left is the accepting of almost anything and anyone, forgiving those that blatantly spit in their faces.

  

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222. "That cxss@ndra f@!rbanks chick. Went from Ferguson protests to pepe meme..."
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And 12th backup speaker at altwhite conferences In 2 years


I don't follow bill Maher, But from what hits my radar, seem like he is steadily moving closer in that direction with his 'protect free speech at all costs' preaching

It's just that he recognizes how big an idiot trump is, so he won't bend the knee



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224. "Some folks like winning so much "
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they will jump from side to side to stick around.

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211. "i don't think a lot of folks here buy into 'Influencers' which permeate"
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all throughout today's world


i see it





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217. "all it takes is a 'handshake' to send some people down that rabbit hole."
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all someone has to do is put it in front of folks and introduce them to it. some people are gonna strike up an ongoing relationship and stay in touch with it.

and 'influencers' make great matchmakers.

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212. "I hear you..."
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it's not where I'm at but, I definitely understand what you're saying...

  

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207. "apparently all the worlds evil can be laid at ye's feet"
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cause he cosigned some shit people dont like.

there's jumping to conclusions. then there's whatever these folks are doing.
yall give him this power tbh...

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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210. "Yeah. I don’t see it. "
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He definitely gave her some shine but I don’t think Ye is some gateway to alt right think tanks.

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213. "Its not overnight tho"
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Like even if he’s hanging out in 4chan, incel is a small ass blip in that crazy ass party.

The whole thing is those scum have been fighting to be ‘legit’ because they know that’s how they get people. Its why they get mad when twitter blocks em, reddit eventually gets off their butts and bans their subreddits, etc.

Are they gonna get 99.99% of the people that walk down that rabbit hole? NOPE. Most gonna be like, ‘Ehh, these dudes is crazy’ click close on the browser and go about their merry day even if they harbor some of those feelings.

But you find the right one and boom. It’s just internet advertising…everyone is basically a trained ninja at closing them popups in 2018. However you just hope that one comes along that’s willing to play along.

Kanye giving em free advertising is the problem *shrug*

  

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215. "i really thought you was gonna say he was blasting Kanye in the van."
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So i'm smokin on this cactus, bangin Fat Patrick
hustla til i die baby grindin like a savage
pimp game sweet, breakin ankles and feet
cuz these hoes break they toes til they job complete

H-Town made L.A. paid

  

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220. "^ ^ ^Gemz dropped!"
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https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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226. "You suggesting dudes read a few websites, then decide to go murdering?"
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Haven't we been through this EXACT same discussion with violent video games, music, and rap lyrics?

  

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214. ""I'm just trying to challenge conventional thinking" never works out wel..."
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I put this in the same bucket as Badu saying that she saw something "good in Hitler." Or Kyrie Iriving saying that he believes the world is flat. Like taking the contrary position makes you more enlightened than others.

I'd say 99% of the time it's just saying wild shit to get attention. Like if you have a new album coming. Just like Ebro said.

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Checkin' Our Style, Return To Zero:

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219. "^^^^ "
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231. "Totally different from Badu. Badu's underlying point was positive"
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and was about having a big open heart.

Kanye is embracing a persons whose main message is hate.


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"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

"what's a leader if he isn't reluctant"

  

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260. "Kanye is 100% positioning as positive and having an open heart"
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He's framing it as he has "love" for everyone, just like Badu.

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262. "and his "I love everybody" worked on Trin"
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it shouldn't be this easy

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232. "^^^^"
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223. "man he told you years ago he hates y'all more than a nazi, so ...."
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And you will know MY JACKET IS GOLD when I lay my vengeance upon thee.

  

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228. "Haha wow. True. Forgot about that."
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Hellyeah
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225. "kanye just needs to go away"
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but unfortunately i don't see it happening anytime soon.. just like brooklynwhat growing the fuck up

  

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BrooklynWHAT
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227. "your concern is unwarranted"
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<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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double negative
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229. "goddamnit. the more I think about it the more I get upset."
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at first it was just Kanye being a Kanye

but now after reading and listening to hot take after hot take I'm just mad about this shit.

Thank god we still got Kendrick

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makaveli
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230. "kanye is wack"
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i don't know why people make excuses for his behavior. his music isn't even good anymore.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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flipnile
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234. "You can clearly see his progression in his women"
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Light-skinned GF -> Biracial (& racially ambiguous) GF -> Middle-Eastern/White Woman. Blue-eyed blonde was to be the next stop, but Kim's white enough, apparently.


Kanye got White Jesus & a big Marilyn Monroe Andy Warhol hanging in his crib

  

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236. "https://i.imgur.com/v02KoZd.gif"
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https://i.imgur.com/v02KoZd.gif






I'm sayin, Dude want dat Ivory-initiation.
When da shit hit da fan and da revolution finally jump-off, Ye gonna smoov Judas we Africana up.

I'm callin it now.

But da flip is, he might implode and OJ da heauxdashians up 1st depending on whatever...

My ninja,...
Let Kim type mistakenly spill some ravioli sauce on Ye's prototype blueprints for his new Air Yeezy Genesis limited edition sneakers and see if Ye don't go full "This. Is. ......SPARTA! ! !" on some ol:

https://i.imgur.com/Ve02Z4x.gif





WATCH!




O_O






https://chriswind.bandcamp.com/track/massage

"You can take an African out of Africa, but you can't take Africa out of the African"
Afro-Americana/Afro-Caribbana/Afro-Latino unite. We are ALL Black!

  

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ambient1
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235. "ya'll man's rockin a MAGA hat just got thanked by the tangerine"
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dude is gone


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/989225812166696960

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Coolin...

  

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Marbles
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237. "I wish we would turn our backs on him whenever he comes crawling back"
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But we won't. You can always come back home.

  

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Madvillain 626
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271. "We need to stop doing that "
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If I ran Blackistan, coons and traitors would get the sword.

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If life is stupendous one cannot also demand that it should be easy. - Robert Musil

  

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EAS
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238. "Kanye could pledge his allegiance to ISIS, wouldn't lose fans"
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and people would still consider him a free thinker, one who challenges the status quo, and a genius. Being the hot artist of the day would excuse his alignment with those that suppress and murder thousands of innocent people.

The alt right suppresses free thought(party over country), gave us 'alternative' facts, and justifies the murder of innocent people. And these are the people Kanye is aligned with.

It's great how the few that speak up to object are haters,limited, and don't see the big picture.

Don't care if he is trying to sell albums or not, he crossed the line to dangerous grounds, possibly to the point of no return. He could resurrect and executive produce X-Clan, Brand Nubian, and Poor Righteous Teachers and it still wouldn't be enough.

  

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Brew
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239. "Agree with you. And while I still don't fully co-sign Reeq's"
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... hyperbole I'm starting to lean that way. Kanye doing some real damage right now and it's honestly reprehensible.

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Stadiq
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249. "Kanye is helping normalize this evil"
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Yall were too hard on Reeq.

Granted a lot if things have helped normalize
the alt right and the rise of Nazis

But Ye is now a part of it. Words and actions
have consequences- especislly when you have
An army of stans. Fuck that clown.


You see his ghostwriter said slaves were better off and
skavery is just a part of war??

These dudes are legit dumb.

  

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Lurkmode
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252. "smh he might have done more to mainstream the alt right than anyone."
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with 9 million followers leaving. lol

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Stadiq
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256. "Im more concerned about the 18 million that"
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Didnt unfollow.

In the past few days hes normalized trump and
all that entails to his fanbase- who are probably
relatively young and white.

So now not only do their parents want to MAGA, etc/
now their favorite ‘rapper’ does


Not to mentioned getting shouted out by Alex Jones,
Oreilly, etc.

Using the term ‘thought police’< << we know the
type to ise that term these days.

And his employees acting reckless too. Double O
in here trying to convince us he’s not doing damage.

Cyhi literally tring to argue that slavery was a positive
thing.

And chance equating being pro-trump as simply being
pro-republican and/or only democrats are anti trump.

Now, there are obvious self-hate and straight up
stupidity issues at play...

But unfortunately, these clowns have lot of peoples
ears.

Ye and his disciples communicating that its ok to
be racist, anti-muslim, anti-immigrant, anti-LGBQT,
Be a pussy grabber etc...AND be uninformed?

Look, Ye has clearly wanted to be embraced by
wealthy white people for some time. But the last few
days have been something else- and i dont think
we should downplay his potential influence.

Again, 18 million people or whatever still following
him.

To a certain group, he probably had normalized this
more than anyone.

  

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Lurkmode
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