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Reeq
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"Beto Should Think About Running For President"
Wed Aug-22-18 10:30 AM by Reeq

  

          

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1032017750829531142

dude is like a cross between bobby kennedy and barack obama.

he will prolly lose his senate race cuz tx is a brainless conservative shithole. but he should throw his name in the hat for 2020 shortly after that.

people love an inspirational candidate and dude is 10x more compelling than bernie/warren/biden/kamala/etc. he still has that new car smell too.

i dont think theres ever been a non-presidential candidate able to generate excitement (and money) for a single race like this. in this lightning in a bottle era of politics...dude could easily become the dem frontrunner.

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Watched this last nite. Looks like a candidate I could get behind.
Aug 22nd 2018
1
He's been putting in the work, too
Aug 22nd 2018
5
That exchange definitely made me take notice. Too bad he is from TX.
Aug 22nd 2018
2
like who?!
Aug 22nd 2018
18
Texas is a purple state with gerrymandered districts and suppressive
Aug 22nd 2018
3
kinda sorta but not really.
Aug 22nd 2018
8
      dallas and houston are not as blue as one would think
Aug 22nd 2018
9
      Annise Parker would disagree.
Aug 22nd 2018
11
      RE: Annise Parker would disagree.
Aug 22nd 2018
13
      yeah presidential vote margin is a pretty good indicator.
Aug 22nd 2018
15
      RE: yeah presidential vote margin is a pretty good indicator.
Aug 22nd 2018
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      latinos hate clinton too
Aug 22nd 2018
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           i legit don't know any latinos that *hate* her that didn't *hate* b.o.
Aug 22nd 2018
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                maybe hate is too strong
Aug 23rd 2018
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      i'm almost sure texas had thousands of "never trumpers"
Aug 22nd 2018
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      dallas and houston are heavily segregated/balkanized, and houston
Aug 22nd 2018
34
      The states metropolitan areas account for 71% of the population
Aug 22nd 2018
10
           and repub statewide candidates still win by 20+ points lol.
Aug 22nd 2018
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                Kay Bailey Hutchison wasn’t an extremist, and John Cornyn (AG)
Aug 22nd 2018
14
                     Ann Richards had no red in her. She was a liberal Democrat. A progressiv...
Aug 22nd 2018
22
                     You’re right. No hedge. I was wrong.
Aug 22nd 2018
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                     kay bailey hutchinson only seems like a non extremist in retrospect
Aug 22nd 2018
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915 "El Payso" blowing up
Aug 22nd 2018
4
When you start to make that county tour! (Bell County!)
Aug 22nd 2018
6
I could support him
Aug 22nd 2018
7
that was my thought too after watching his comments about kneeling.
Aug 22nd 2018
19
geez..
Aug 22nd 2018
20
i gotta check that doc out.
Aug 22nd 2018
31
      RE: i gotta check that doc out.
Aug 22nd 2018
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Instead of Bernie, I like Andrew Yang—For Shake Things Up Reasons
Aug 22nd 2018
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Yang2020
Aug 22nd 2018
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Only if he beats Cruz
Aug 22nd 2018
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He should
Aug 22nd 2018
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Beto O’Rourke eats Whataburger, shreds parking lot with skateboard
Aug 22nd 2018
27
Goddamn, crazy, he has Obama swag. I've been hearing his name
Aug 22nd 2018
28
Is there a Dem candidate you wouldn't vote for?
Aug 22nd 2018
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nobody i can think of. hillary was close to being that person.
Aug 22nd 2018
30
      LOL
Dec 05th 2018
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           yeah its generally a bad idea to nominate a candidate
Dec 06th 2018
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i'm a fan but winning texas is the goal
Aug 22nd 2018
33
RE: i'm a fan but winning texas is the goal
Aug 23rd 2018
42
gatdamn we easily impressed lol
Aug 23rd 2018
38
lol...
Aug 23rd 2018
39
So he can help with Criminal Justice Reform
Aug 23rd 2018
41
"Drunk driving Beto could'nt even beat Lyin' Ted"
Aug 23rd 2018
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Fucking puke.
Aug 23rd 2018
44
Beto proposes criminal justice reform
Aug 27th 2018
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It would be cool to have him in the race
Aug 27th 2018
46
RE: Beto Should Think About Running For President
Aug 28th 2018
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Polls say this dude is within one point of Cruz
Aug 28th 2018
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i dont get how 20% of people are undecided
Aug 28th 2018
49
new heat.
Sep 17th 2018
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Looks like Cruz is promoting Beto on Twitter. Oh wait...just a dog whist...
Sep 22nd 2018
51
Not so fast
Sep 22nd 2018
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This is a campaign of people. All people.
Sep 30th 2018
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~55k in attendance.
Oct 01st 2018
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You might be on to something...
Oct 12th 2018
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i dont really trust the recent polls
Oct 12th 2018
56
That's fair...I don't trust polls too much either way
Oct 12th 2018
57
im def in this boat.
Oct 12th 2018
58
he really would have a great shot out the box imo.
Oct 12th 2018
59
      im fully on board
Oct 12th 2018
60
cnn released a poll of current possible dem nominees
Oct 14th 2018
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depressing af n/m
Oct 15th 2018
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      I agree, they are both too old to run
Oct 15th 2018
66
      these early polls are really just name recognition and favorability poll...
Oct 15th 2018
67
Too early
Oct 14th 2018
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first things first ......but
Oct 14th 2018
63
Is this one of those things where after Beto looses we all go, what
Oct 15th 2018
65
No. But it’s one where Righties will brag about him losing
Oct 17th 2018
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does anyone make up their minds after watching debates?
Oct 17th 2018
68
Rumor, win or lose - he would be top presidential candidate
Oct 17th 2018
69
Bad news: He ain't gonna win - so what now?
Oct 17th 2018
71
Can he win Wisconsin, Ohio, PA and Michigan?
Oct 17th 2018
72
i wonder what his plan is
Oct 17th 2018
73
      abraham lincoln lost a senate race in 1858 and won prez in 1860.
Dec 04th 2018
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           Yeah, so he'd need to just be equal to Abraham Lincoln
Dec 04th 2018
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                that is not what he said...did Beto f*ck your girl?
Dec 04th 2018
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                Shit.. lol
Dec 04th 2018
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                oh is dude just a beto hater? i musta missed it.
Dec 04th 2018
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                     lol I think its him
Dec 04th 2018
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                          lol damn i wish i knew. woulda saved me some keystrokes.
Dec 04th 2018
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                          oh, y’all ain’t know???
Dec 04th 2018
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                          haha I was pretty sure
Dec 04th 2018
125
                          Yup, running someone who JUST lost is not a good look in general
Dec 04th 2018
128
                lincoln was actually a pretty unspectacular candidate.
Dec 04th 2018
99
progressives are now attacking beto since he might run against bernie
Dec 04th 2018
74
Bernie Bros gonna be big mad if they elbow out Beto and Kamala
Dec 04th 2018
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yeah i dont think bernie wins the dem primary.
Dec 04th 2018
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      Bernie looks good vs Hilldawg... but just old vs Beto
Dec 04th 2018
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           yeah beto appealed to non-white voters that bernie struggled with too.
Dec 04th 2018
84
Pointing out who his major donors are doesn’t seem scorched earth to m...
Dec 04th 2018
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context is key tho.
Dec 04th 2018
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      I doubt it works this time since Trump is in office
Dec 04th 2018
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      i'm just saying this doesn't seem like a smear
Dec 04th 2018
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           trust me. its a smear lol.
Dec 04th 2018
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           it's not malicious or a smear, at all
Dec 04th 2018
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                Better now than later
Dec 04th 2018
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                it is when it's purposefully misleading and lacks context
Dec 04th 2018
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                how is any of this misleading?
Dec 04th 2018
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                     smh
Dec 05th 2018
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                          yeah I'll take my L on this
Dec 05th 2018
154
                          the thing about clapbacks is they aren't sensational though
Dec 07th 2018
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                          do we know if any of the donations are bundles from corps?
Dec 06th 2018
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                               yes, we know the answer to those questions
Dec 07th 2018
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                The question is, to what end is the investigation going?
Dec 04th 2018
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                     I think Beto could probably roll with that explanation and be fine
Dec 04th 2018
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                          that's silly bc the initial "wtf" is based on ignorance
Dec 05th 2018
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                               Fair point. It's reasonable to ask who he gets money from, though
Dec 05th 2018
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                                    yup
Dec 05th 2018
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                                    in theory sure
Dec 07th 2018
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Tried to tell Handle that Beto would change his mind
Dec 04th 2018
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80 goddamned years old at the end of 2020.
Dec 04th 2018
83
btw these *same* folks are adamant about pelosi being too old
Dec 04th 2018
107
no major progressive has a problem with pelosi's age
Dec 04th 2018
130
he definitely dying in office. old ass.
Dec 04th 2018
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      lol i saw some stat that he has like a 5% chance of dying this year.
Dec 04th 2018
117
bernie as president just isnt gonna fly
Dec 04th 2018
86
Fuck Bernie (and you too if you support him)
Dec 04th 2018
87
Not at all, unless he runs as a third party candidate
Dec 04th 2018
89
I meant in the sense of "excitement" from a certain class
Dec 04th 2018
93
no beto. no bernie. do you like anybody? lol.
Dec 04th 2018
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I'm happy to let it all play out. No early anointed ones
Dec 04th 2018
90
Yeah, this is where I am
Dec 05th 2018
139
Cmon Reeq
Dec 04th 2018
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I expect any candidate to be in bed with somebody
Dec 04th 2018
97
Fair
Dec 04th 2018
102
texas gdp growth and employment level are largely reliant
Dec 04th 2018
110
Yeah, I agree. These big firms & organizations donate to everybody
Dec 04th 2018
104
      beto accepted no corporate money tho.
Dec 04th 2018
109
           Word? Yeah, that's a different animal
Dec 04th 2018
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i have a problem with 'progressives' not progressives.
Dec 04th 2018
105
      who specifically, though?
Dec 04th 2018
108
      i dont think anyone on here hated hillary more than me lol.
Dec 04th 2018
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      holy shit look at these old predictions of mine from feb 2016.
Dec 04th 2018
114
           Damn.
Dec 04th 2018
116
           Murph ain’t been the same since
Dec 04th 2018
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           Aw man. No one should take it that hard.
Dec 04th 2018
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           He came thru and let us know he was done talking politics
Dec 04th 2018
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                whoa
Dec 04th 2018
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                Holy shit.
Dec 04th 2018
136
                     I laughed at Denny early on
Dec 04th 2018
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                          Yea it is. And to be fair a lot of it is justified.
Dec 04th 2018
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           lol yeah that was rough
Dec 04th 2018
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           aight give us the future this time. whats gonna happen.
Dec 04th 2018
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           PLEASE DON'T
Dec 04th 2018
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           lol right now im actually leaning kinda optimistic.
Dec 04th 2018
126
                Biggest variable is what's going on in the Wisconsin legislature
Dec 04th 2018
133
           id have to wait to see the candidates 1st.
Dec 04th 2018
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           damn...
Dec 04th 2018
123
      there was a great video I watched yesterday about this
Dec 05th 2018
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           kyle kulinski is def in the group of 'progressives'.
Dec 05th 2018
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                Indeed.
Dec 06th 2018
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Bernie got high on all that attention
Dec 05th 2018
155
Beto or Tulsi
Dec 05th 2018
140
What do people like so much about Tulsi?
Dec 05th 2018
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i ask another okp this all the time when he brings her name up.
Dec 05th 2018
147
      I don't get it either...this is where putting "progressive"
Dec 05th 2018
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           she didnt support any form of single payer until mid 2017.
Dec 05th 2018
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                I think she must have been very anti-imperialist
Dec 06th 2018
161
Gabbard won’t work.
Dec 06th 2018
164
Pour one out for Avenatti's campaign that never was
Dec 05th 2018
141
i never understood his appeal
Dec 05th 2018
144
      i liked him in the beginning.
Dec 05th 2018
146
      yes to this
Dec 05th 2018
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      he'll probably be a fox contributor a year from now
Dec 05th 2018
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      See this is why fast microwave media sucks.
Dec 06th 2018
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btw heres a donor summary showing why attacks on beto are misleading
Dec 06th 2018
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dope
Dec 06th 2018
166
obama has been regularly meeting with *everybody*.
Dec 06th 2018
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      true
Dec 06th 2018
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           im not sure people care about ties like that.
Dec 06th 2018
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                Agreed. Plus, Obama and his team know how to win elections
Dec 06th 2018
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                     yeah obama alumni did well in the midterms.
Dec 06th 2018
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                          Pretty sure even Obama admitted
Dec 07th 2018
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                               oh there def were other factors but
Dec 07th 2018
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                                    yep, ol girl in Kentucky (Alison Lundergan Grimes) was one of these
Dec 07th 2018
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                                         they asked clay aiken (yeah *that* clay aiken) in an interview
Dec 07th 2018
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apparently bernie was the 5th biggest recipient of defense cash in 2016
Dec 06th 2018
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under fire...dave sirota defends himself by re-litigating 2008 primary.
Dec 06th 2018
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      btw this is the tweet sirota is replying to.
Dec 06th 2018
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      he's an obvious fanboy pretending to be a journalist lol
Dec 07th 2018
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           'progressive' bernie supporter in wapo: beto isnt progressive enough
Dec 07th 2018
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                smh
Dec 07th 2018
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beto tops all candidates in moveon.org members poll.
Dec 11th 2018
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RE: beto tops all candidates in moveon.org members poll.
Dec 11th 2018
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i think the overall point is that bernie doesnt have a stranglehold
Dec 12th 2018
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Bernie is too old
Dec 11th 2018
187
Bernie and his supporters aren't the enemy in 2020 either
Dec 11th 2018
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      I agree with all of this
Dec 11th 2018
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      i think this is the legacy of the current progressive movement.
Dec 12th 2018
195
Man I could get hype over a Beto/Harris Ticket
Dec 12th 2018
190
this is way too good to happen lol.
Dec 12th 2018
196
Remember when Warren seemed like she got next?
Dec 12th 2018
191
      has anyone ever completely tanked their chances
Dec 12th 2018
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      But so much of this is artificial though. Like that michael avenatti
Dec 12th 2018
194
Well, at least one dude from TX is running: Julian Castro got 5 on it
Dec 12th 2018
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tulsi gabbard seriously considers running.
Dec 12th 2018
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1. "Watched this last nite. Looks like a candidate I could get behind."
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Though I'd have to learn more about him. Judging by this alone I'd have to assume he's in line with what I'd want in a candidate.

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5. "He's been putting in the work, too"
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Dude's been campaigning in every county in Texas.

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2. "That exchange definitely made me take notice. Too bad he is from TX. "
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I just am kind of over candidates without that much managerial experience besides congress. I want a governor or big city mayor.

Does get me more excited than any name so far though.


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18. "like who?! "
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>I just am kind of over candidates without that much
>managerial experience besides congress. I want a governor or
>big city mayor.

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3. "Texas is a purple state with gerrymandered districts and suppressive "
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Voting ID laws
ALL of the major cities are blue.

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Reeq
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8. "kinda sorta but not really."
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a lot of people keep saying this but they dont really know what a purple state is.

voter suppression is obviously an issue. but tx has a lethargic latino voting population regardless (at least on the liberal side). and an organized loyal religious conservative voting base that comes out in full force every election (even conservative evangelical/catholic hispanics). and those margins are lopsided.

north carolina has some of the worst voter suppression in the nation. and statewide races are still close. thats what a purplish/swingy state looks like (even without the hypothetical equalizing).

people think that the latino population in tx would hypothetically even the score if the playing field was more fair. but the numbers arent really there.

and a lot of solid red states have blue metros. but that doesnt necessarily make it a competitive state.

for example...georgia has many of the same issues that texas has. but it was closer (half the presidential vote percentage margin)
than texas was. and nobody considers it a purple state.

wisconsin has arguably the most restrictive voter id laws in country, some of the worst gerrymandering, and dems just outvoted repubs in the primary and look poised for competitive/victorious statewide races. but in texas...dems got blown out in the primary and havent really been competitive statewide since the early 90s. thats not really a purple state...hypothetical or not.

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9. "dallas and houston are not as blue as one would think"
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they are closer to 50/50 on most voting result maps that ive seen. austin, san antonio and el paso are very blue. south texas is pretty blue. there are so many large towns in-between the large cities that are solid red.

i think most people see texas as 70%+ red. i think its more like 55% red, not quickly enough but definitely heading more towards blue.

  

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11. "Annise Parker would disagree. "
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13. "RE: Annise Parker would disagree. "
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pretty low turnout and never got over 60% of the vote. not really a good indication in my point of view.

Houston mayoral election runoff, 2009
Candidate Votes % ±
Annise Parker 81,743 53.60% +22.60%
Gene Locke 70,770 46.40% +20.20%

Houston mayoral election, 2011
Candidate Votes % ±
Annise Parker 59,920 50.81%
Jack O'Connor 17,265 14.64%
Fernando Herrera 16,799 14.24%
Dave Wilson 13,858 11.75%
Kevin Simms 8,197 6.95%
Amanda Ulman 1,882 1.59%
Turnout 117,921

Candidate Vote Number Vote Percentage
Annise D. Parker 97,009 57.22%
Ben Hall 46,775 27.59%
Eric B. Dick 18,302 10.79%
Victoria Lane 1,782 1.05%
Don Cook 1,720 1.01%
Keryl Burgess Douglas 1,192 0.70%
Michael Fitzsimmons 1,179 0.70%
Derek A. Jenkins 823 0.49%
Charyl L. Drab 767 0.45%

  

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15. "yeah presidential vote margin is a pretty good indicator."
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since its the highest turnout election.

>i think most people see texas as 70%+ red. i think its more
>like 55% red, not quickly enough but definitely heading more
>towards blue.

trump won by about 9 points (52%-43%) with indie candidates included. he got right around that 55% mark with just the vote share of the 2 major candidates.

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16. "RE: yeah presidential vote margin is a pretty good indicator."
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1. White people are polarized by Hillary Clinton
2. https://thinkprogress.org/doj-catches-texas-violating-the-court-order-against-its-voter-suppression-law-d0f750460c23/

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17. "latinos hate clinton too"
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their attacks on clinton really worked. i sadly know too many people that i found out didnt vote because they hated trump but "hillary would be worse"

i have no love for hillary but there was only one way to vote in 2016. staying home or voting 3rd party was so stupid.

  

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37. "i legit don't know any latinos that *hate* her that didn't *hate* b.o."
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i pretty much only know middle aged white women that hate her more than barack and it's deep issues they have from the 90s.

  

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mista k5
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40. "maybe hate is too strong"
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but i definitely know some that didnt vote at all because they basically believed she would be horrible.

theres no way you can equate hillary to trump.

caught me off guard.

i dont think all of them didnt like obama but maybe some didnt. definitely know of one that voted for obama and was all proud to say so but then proudly voted for trump. he was someone that i would expect to be republican due to perceived economic reasons.

  

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36. "i'm almost sure texas had thousands of "never trumpers""
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salty enough not to vote for him in 2016 that have come around at this point.

  

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34. "dallas and houston are heavily segregated/balkanized, and houston"
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has crazy non-zoning

the people are bluer than the elections but they're not as blue as in many other cities (especially houston) in other states

the mid sized cities in texas (50-500k) are also definitely not blue.

really el paso and the valley are the bluest parts of the state, but there are so many racists/xenophobes who don't want none of that that people from those areas have trouble stepping up to the state platform.

if beto didn't have that kennedy/santa fe/post-punk/white boy energy he wouldn't have gotten to this point.

  

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10. "The states metropolitan areas account for 71% of the population"
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12. "and repub statewide candidates still win by 20+ points lol."
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14. "Kay Bailey Hutchison wasn’t an extremist, and John Cornyn (AG) "
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Was a dentist turned inventory
Texas is a weird place
Anne Richards ran our state for the longest as a democratic and she wasn’t blue. She was purple.

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22. "Ann Richards had no red in her. She was a liberal Democrat. A progressiv..."
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She was a feminist. Fought hard for abortion rights. Pushed for gay rights. Pushed to increase taxes to fund services. Pushed to limit concealed handguns and assault weapons.

There was a time not too long ago that that type of person could hold statewide office in Texas

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23. "You’re right. No hedge. I was wrong. "
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I was going by memory and sometimes memory fails.

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35. "kay bailey hutchinson only seems like a non extremist in retrospect"
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and given our current extremist crazy politicians.

  

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4. "915 "El Payso" blowing up"
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even quest shouting us out


i havent considered this being a possibility and my first reaction is too soon. might be a great idea though. if he somehow beat cruz would it still make sense or only if he loses?

i think he might really beat cruz, hes been campaigning hard. county to county. no one likes cruz. i live in a pretty blue city so obviously here most people support him, tons of beto shirts/signs/stickers everywhere.

  

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6. "When you start to make that county tour! (Bell County!)"
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7. "I could support him"
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Hope he wins.

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19. "that was my thought too after watching his comments about kneeling."
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just wonder if he's enough of a "name rings bells" candidate.

although, did Barack's name REALLY ring bells outside of Illinois before he got going? not a TON that I recall.

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20. "geez.."
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>dude is like a cross between bobby kennedy and barack obama.

man...Bobby's transformation was really something. There is superb documentary about him on Netflix. Man, he had the fucking juice before he got killed. I honestly think he had more genuine love than Jack.

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31. "i gotta check that doc out."
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32. "RE: i gotta check that doc out."
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io3uQ6Q4NlU

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21. "Instead of Bernie, I like Andrew Yang—For Shake Things Up Reasons"
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He doesn’t have a winning chance, but his policy ideas are worth debating.
https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/the-ezra-klein-show/id1081584611?mt=2&i=1000418149827

  

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24. "Yang2020"
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https://www.yang2020.com/

  

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25. "Only if he beats Cruz"
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Not a good look nominating someone who just lost.

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26. "He should"
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27. "Beto O’Rourke eats Whataburger, shreds parking lot with skateboard"
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https://m.chron.com/news/houston-texas/texas/article/Beto-O-Rourke-Whataburger-skateboard-ted-cruz-13168491.php

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28. "Goddamn, crazy, he has Obama swag. I've been hearing his name"
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29. "Is there a Dem candidate you wouldn't vote for?"
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I'm trying to think of a candidate I wouldn't vote for at this point and can't find anyone that doesn't get my vote. Joe Manchin wouldn't get my vote but he's basically a conservative Republican in a blue seat.

  

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30. "nobody i can think of. hillary was close to being that person."
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i had such a visceral dislike of hillary that i didnt feel like i could vote for her. trump cured that tho lol.

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143. "LOL"
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>i had such a visceral dislike of hillary that i didnt feel
>like i could vote for her. trump cured that tho lol.

this is why I feel like she was the WRONG choice and that the Dems more than anyone else screwed the pooch.

didn't even have to be Bernie. they could have gotten Phil Lamarr dressed up as Rick James to run instead

  

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160. "yeah its generally a bad idea to nominate a candidate"
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that a lot of your own base hates, with decades of front page baggage, while under investigation by 2 different departments of the government.

dems showed a lot of audacity on that one. i think most of it had to do with clinton strongarming the party.

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33. "i'm a fan but winning texas is the goal"
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the reason dems are fucked is because they put everything in that hillary maginot line.

changing statewide elections in texas would literally change the whole political tone of the country. it would be a big deal for redistricting. it would be a big deal for education reform and insurance/health because of the $$$ and population size. it would be a huge deal environmentally and for socialismishness because the texas state legislature/courts are setting the precedent that cities can't enforce their own local ordinances if there's any question of market freedom.

  

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42. "RE: i'm a fan but winning texas is the goal"
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>texas state legislature/courts
>are setting the precedent that cities can't enforce their own
>local ordinances if there's any question of market freedom.

"state's rights" doing the bidding of corporations all over again

  

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38. "gatdamn we easily impressed lol"
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i mean he aight


ya he got swag

but Obeezy was a Harvard trained consitutional law expert too

dis Beto cat a reformed rock band dude who caught some burglary and DUI charges (ya they was dropped but prolly only cuz his pops was a judge)


meh


i mwean its cool he gets it and it finna be cool if he win senate but...

  

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39. "lol..."
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>i mean he aight
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>ya he got swag
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>but Obeezy was a Harvard trained consitutional law expert too
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>dis Beto cat a reformed rock band dude who caught some
>burglary and DUI charges (ya they was dropped but prolly only
>cuz his pops was a judge)
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>meh
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>i mwean its cool he gets it and it finna be cool if he win
>senate but...


^^^no lies detected

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41. "So he can help with Criminal Justice Reform "
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43. ""Drunk driving Beto could'nt even beat Lyin' Ted""
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i can see/hear it now

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44. "Fucking puke."
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45. "Beto proposes criminal justice reform "
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https://www.houstonchronicle.com/opinion/outlook/article/Beto-ORourke-Texas-criminal-justice-reform-jail-13181472.php

  

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46. "It would be cool to have him in the race"
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I'd love to have a robust field of viable candidates.

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47. "RE: Beto Should Think About Running For President"
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I hope he wins Texas first!

  

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48. "Polls say this dude is within one point of Cruz"
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I don't necessarily believe it's that close right now, but he is running an amazing campaign.

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49. "i dont get how 20% of people are undecided"
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what does that mean. doesnt give me confidence in the poll.

i did participate in a survey on friday so maybe it helped lol

  

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50. "new heat."
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https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1041790987260108803

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51. "Looks like Cruz is promoting Beto on Twitter. Oh wait...just a dog whist..."
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How could he post this video as an attack on his opponent? This is a topic that pretty much everyone agrees on. The cop was wrong and they way it is being handled is wrong?

But Cruz's message: Look at Beto. Getting all those black folks riled up. We don't want that, do we?

And he is doing it because he knows it will work
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1043278255740973058?s=19

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52. "Not so fast"
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>How could he post this video as an attack on his opponent?
>This is a topic that pretty much everyone agrees on. The cop
>was wrong and they way it is being handled is wrong?
>
>But Cruz's message: Look at Beto. Getting all those black
>folks riled up. We don't want that, do we?
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>And he is doing it because he knows it will work
>https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1043278255740973058?s=19

This may not work the way Ted Cruz thinks it will. I think we’ve learned that Trumpism only works for trump and that no one has a full grasp of what color Texas is (look at the back and forth above).

Also, Roy Moore.

  

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53. "This is a campaign of people. All people."
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This is a campaign of people. All people.

https://twitter.com/BetoORourke/status/1046395685380206597

  

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54. "~55k in attendance."
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https://twitter.com/evanasmith/status/1046792601863565312

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55. "You might be on to something..."
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While the TX polls are discouraging because I want him to win, obviously...

He's got the message, likability, and Obama-like fundraising down.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/10/12/no-beto-orourkes-insane-million-fundraising-haul-does-not-mean-he-can-win-texas/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.f1fbcc457430

(I GET the article's point...but the real take away here is give people an exciting/engaging candidate...and they'll show up. People are donating this kind of cash even though its a very, very long shot AT BEST.)


And if he can make Texas close, what could he do in Florida/VA/Ohio/PA?


Experience is a little weak, but I think people want a fresh face.


If he doesn't win the seat, he certainly still has a bright future.

  

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56. "i dont really trust the recent polls"
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i dont think he will win but i do expect it to be within 3%. i think its better for the polls to look likes down instead of possibly winning as it will keep people that want to vote for him interested in actually voting. if it does start spreading more for cruz those folks might stay home also though.

everyone that is registered to vote, or still has time to register, and is against trump needs to head to the polls in november (or early vote).

sadly this will be my first midterm but dont expect it to be the last. cant sit out anymore.

  

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57. "That's fair...I don't trust polls too much either way"
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after '16, especially.

Either way, that fundraising is impressive. I HOPE he wins of course, but if he doesn't, he should throw his hat in the ring for the nomination.


>
>everyone that is registered to vote, or still has time to
>register, and is against trump needs to head to the polls in
>november (or early vote).
>
>sadly this will be my first midterm but dont expect it to be
>the last. cant sit out anymore.

Word. I know a few people with stories like this.

  

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58. "im def in this boat."
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>sadly this will be my first midterm but dont expect it to be
>the last. cant sit out anymore.

i will never miss another election in my lifetime now.

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59. "he really would have a great shot out the box imo."
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cali and texas are in the 1st 10 primary states this year. beto would have a shit ton of money to compete there right out the gate. and he would prolly clean up in both states (especially texas). thats a commanding lead in delegates through the opening leg.

i dont know how beto would do among older black voters who dont know him that well (southern states). but *nobody* is better at speaking directly about hot button black issues than he is. its just a matter of whether black folks get a chance to hear him before they vote.

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60. "im fully on board"
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would definitely consider other options but if he did decide to run, wether he beats cruz or not, i would be with it. i know he said he would serve his term if he won but i dont think anyone would be mad at him if he changed his mind.

he definitely has recognition and buzz. i think he appeals to a broad spectrum of folks. sure he might not have a ton of experience but thats already been shown to not be important. he at least has some government experience.

  

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61. "cnn released a poll of current possible dem nominees"
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...and beto got the same amount of votes as mike bloomberg (4%) lol
https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1051479886873985029

biden killing the game over sanders at a distant second.

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64. "depressing af n/m"
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>biden killing the game over sanders at a distant second.

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66. "I agree, they are both too old to run"
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67. "these early polls are really just name recognition and favorability poll..."
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biden is extremely well-known/liked in the party and can parachute into any district in america and not be a liability to the dem candidate (100% win rate with endorsements so far).

his age is def an issue in a real election tho. i wouldnt mind him running on a 1 term promise to establish sense/normalcy (backed up by legislation).

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62. "Too early "
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63. "first things first ......but"
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if he wins.... he sets himself up to be one of the top young prospects....

He'd add himself to Joe Kennedy III....and Gavin Newsom …


  

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65. "Is this one of those things where after Beto looses we all go, what "
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happened, everyone I know and follow on twitter were super into this dude?

I had that first experience when Jesse Jackson ran for president and my 7 year old mind couldn't understand how he could not win, I think that's when i also learned the country was only 12 percent black which a shocker growing up in a 70% community.

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70. "No. But it’s one where Righties will brag about him losing"
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Like they didn’t know his chances were slim to none cause it’s Texas.

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68. "does anyone make up their minds after watching debates?"
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i dont know if the debate last night helped either of them

i kind of liked Beto saying cruz was absent from being a senator because he was too busy in iowa trying to be president. saying that cruz hasnt visited every county of texas but he sure visited every county in iowa.

if Beto wins i guess this could look bad if he decides to run for president in 2020

  

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69. "Rumor, win or lose - he would be top presidential candidate"
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71. "Bad news: He ain't gonna win - so what now?"
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Note: I despise Cruz and this Beto would be the right choice, but it is gerrymandered, vote superssin', and deeply racist Texas we are talking about.

Note 2: If you live in Texas turn out and VOTE! He could still win (but he won't.)

So how does losing make him seems as a national candidate?

Also did the excitement factor cause a race that was never that close to "seem closer" for a while then to see "more unwinnable" now that it ever was?

Will he be able to go national if the first thing that can be said about him is "He lost to Ted Cruz- a person no one likes."

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72. "Can he win Wisconsin, Ohio, PA and Michigan?"
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cause we ain’t winning Texas anytime soon so it should t matter

I hope voters are smarter than this IF he is the real deal.

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73. "i wonder what his plan is"
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he definitely went into this knowing it was a long shot so he has to have a plan-b. im sure hes doing everything he can to win and wants to win but he has to be ready to lose.

it is weird to make the jump to president after losing your first run at US senate.

i cant wait for monday to go vote. need to talk to more people and see if any of them will vote for him.

  

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76. "abraham lincoln lost a senate race in 1858 and won prez in 1860."
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people get hung up simply on the 'losing' part.

but if a relative (previously) unknown democrat can get within ~2% of winning solid conservative texas...and flipping the types of voters/districts/counties he flipped to make it that competitive...he can reshape the electorate of the entire country. important states like florida, georgia, ohio and north carolina are all less red than texas.

he significantly outperformed obama and clinton prez election performance in an midterm election that was more unfavorable to democrats (older, whiter, more conservative, more rural). he could outdo that performance in a prez year where there is traditionally more young/non-white voters.

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88. "Yeah, so he'd need to just be equal to Abraham Lincoln"
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Sounds completely reasonable now.

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96. "that is not what he said...did Beto f*ck your girl?"
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You get real aggy with anything Beto related.

He lost, we get it.


He also came DAMN CLOSE in TX. Raised a bunch of money, has appeal, etc.


I'm not saying we anoint him, but we shouldn't rule him out because he lost TX by 2 points.

No one out there is going to NOT vote for him because he lost in 18 in the general.

Would that hurt him in a primary? Maybe. That's what primaries or for.

  

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98. "Shit.. lol"
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shut up already, damn

  

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100. "oh is dude just a beto hater? i musta missed it."
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103. "lol I think its him"
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I hope I didn't confuse him with someone else.


But in the 2020 candidate I think he has like 10+ posts about we can't run a "loser" or "the guy who lost to Cruz" against Trump.

If it isn't him, that is my bad.


Like I said, no one is entering the booth in 2020 saying "well I was going to vote for this Beto guy who I really like, but he lost to Ted Cruz so..."

It won't sway people either way in the general. Especially in the age of Trump. Amerikkka voted an incompetent, sexist, racist reality star POTUS.

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Yeah, its him-

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=13092515&mesg_id=13092515&listing_type=search#13296913


He does NOT like Beto lol

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106. "lol damn i wish i knew. woulda saved me some keystrokes."
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111. "oh, y’all ain’t know??? "
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shut up already, damn

  

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125. "haha I was pretty sure"
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but then I got worried I mixed him up with someone else.

I had to confirm to be sure.


  

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128. "Yup, running someone who JUST lost is not a good look in general"
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With the exception of Lincoln.

We'll have plenty of time in the next year to see who's running, where they stand on the issues, and then decide.

Right now Beto just has a following because he created excitement for a race he lost. Let's see how he does in California.

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99. "lincoln was actually a pretty unspectacular candidate."
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only got about 40% of the prez vote against a deeply divided democratic party (north/south) and a field where 3 other candidates split the vote against him (including 2 democrats).

then was so bad in his 1st term (clamped down on civil liberties, failure to end war/slavery, etc) that his own party wanted to primary him.

so bad that he only won re-election by temporarily renaming the republican party and replacing his vp with a former democratic senator to attract pro-war democrats away from his top dem opponent.

im sure all you think about is his 'greatness' defined solely by the emancipation proclamation (which was more moderate/lenient/watered down than his party intended) so i wont bore you with the facts tho.

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74. "progressives are now attacking beto since he might run against bernie"
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in the dem primary lol.

the fact bernie is likely running again is insane in itself.
https://twitter.com/CNBC/status/1069624877043331073
https://twitter.com/VICE/status/1069715030281732096
https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/1069572985177149440

but now it looks like beto is seriously considering running and might have obama alumni and dems in the crucial iowa primary behind him
https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/1069218394212306946
https://twitter.com/reidepstein/status/1069628192049307648

so of course 'progressives' have to go scorched earth on him for potentially challenging the coronation of saint bernie.

the same way 'progressives' immediately started to paint kamala harris as a slave to wall street as soon as word got out that she was considering running...they are now tryna paint beto as a slave to big oil/gas.
https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1069264575202189313

it was all good just a week ago (c)

with friends like these...who needs republicans?

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75. "Bernie Bros gonna be big mad if they elbow out Beto and Kamala"
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just for Biden to smash Bernie into the turf.

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78. "yeah i dont think bernie wins the dem primary."
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he will pretty much get killt by a coalition of black voters (particularly in the south) and those educated/suburban moderates that accounted for the large majority of dem house gains in the midterms.

looking at how progressive candidates underperformed in competitive midterm general elections...he might actually be a weaker candidate this time around. a lot of dem voters have soured on the brand.

im just worried about the dem primary becoming toxic again with the potential divisiveness out of his supporters over hard feelings about losing and claims of establishment rigging. they feel entitled to the nomination in 2020 (like clinton in 2016...and 2008 lol).

the senior elections analyst at cnn sent out a tweet asking which potential 2020 dem candidate people thought was overrated. almost 5k replies and like 95% of people said bernie lol.
https://twitter.com/ForecasterEnten/status/1069361774640709634

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80. "Bernie looks good vs Hilldawg... but just old vs Beto"
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shut up already, damn

  

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84. "yeah beto appealed to non-white voters that bernie struggled with too."
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black women damn sure aint voting for bernie this go round. they love beto tho (s/o bey).

basically bernies whole focus is winning those white working class obama-trump voters that defected in 2016. but looking at the midterm results in the rust belt and midwest (like dem gov in kansas)...those voters are already parting ways with trump and trending dem again anyway.

i dont think bernie has much utility in a general election this year. he isnt expanding the base like bill clinton and obama. in fact...he could turn off women, black voters, moderates, and suburbanites and actually contract the new dem coalition.

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77. "Pointing out who his major donors are doesn’t seem scorched earth to m..."
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As a voter I think it’s a good idea to fully vet each candidate, even Beto. If he has a hard time explaining why he takes so much money from oil companies then maybe he’s not the one. Or maybe he’s the best candidate, even if imperfect. But it’s not wildly out of line to point out who his top voters are. I’m interested to see how his voting record on climate change and environmental issues lines up with his rhetoric as a result.

I hope Beto and his supporters do a better job of responding to legit questions and criticism than HRC.

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81. "context is key tho."
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sirota and the rest of the our revolution/justice democrats/tyt/the intercept crowd have a history of trying to tarnish dems who run or might run against their preferred 'progressive' candidates. they smeared several candidates in heated races the last 2 years with iffy 'journalism', shoddy vetting, and outright foxnews-type spin/reach (even posted a fake recording of a candidate) and intentionally didnt retract until well after the story had circulated and been debunked by several people.

these are the same people who attacked dianne feinstein for both holding on to the dr ford letter *and* making it available to be leaked lol. just to try to damage her so their preferred primary/general (ran in both in cali) candidate could win.


for what its worth...he is using the exact same deceptive attack (individuals/employees vs corporations/pacs) that clinton ran against sanders in the 2016 primary lol.
https://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/04/01/hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders-spar-over-fossil-fuel-donations/
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=E01&cycle=2016&recipdetail=P&mem=N&sortorder=U

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82. "I doubt it works this time since Trump is in office"
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We don’t have fuck around time this election. If Beto is the wave we gonna ride.

shut up already, damn

  

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85. "i'm just saying this doesn't seem like a smear"
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i also saw a bunch of pretty heated primaries in the midterms, and whether AOC or Manchin, people lined up when it mattered.

There are a lot of progressive voters and PACs who are going to try and push candidates to the left. That's their right and responsibility as voters. It doesnt' seem to be malicious.

I think worrying about Bernie's constituents at this point is putting the cart before the horse any way. He as a candidate was not particularly divisive in his rhetoric, and even more than that his wave seems to have crested. I voted Bern in the primary last time around, but that doesn't mean i'm riding for him this time around. I want to hear about all the candidates - the good and bad, so i can make an informed decision. The farther away we can get from voting for competing fairy tales, the better off we'll be as a country.

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91. "trust me. its a smear lol."
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any other random commentor...ok maybe not. but these niggas? yeah just more of the same cookies out the cutter.

theyve literally been carrying out this exact same playbook for the last 2 years. 'oh hey...i just noticed this dem candidate i want to lose *insert something seemingly sketchy and un-progressive*'. they did it to northam, lance bottoms (they actually backed a conservative against her), davids, cisneros...and the list goes on and on.

they were on betos dick just a few days and several fec reports ago. now hes in the pocket of fossil fuel companies?

but these same folks had no problem shilling for a pro-coal, anti-abortion trump-voting gi joe character in a west virginia house race. or a pro-russia/syria trump-supporting deep state conspiracy theorizing fox news pundit in the ohio gov race.

so clearly its not about issue/policy objectivity and just informing potential voters.

wait until theintercept starts running beto hit pieces about him plotting to sabotage alexandria ocasio-cortez with nancy pelosi and tom perez lol.

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92. "it's not malicious or a smear, at all"
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This is all standard stuff.
The idea that you can't question someone's donors in American politics is bullshit

  

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94. "Better now than later"
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If they keep diving and digging after he addresses it then yeah... it’s a smear job

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127. "it is when it's purposefully misleading and lacks context"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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129. "how is any of this misleading?"
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and what context is lacking?

  

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152. "smh"
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what's missing is that these are individual donors meaning they work in the industry...

it doesn't mean the companies within the industry are donating large chunks of money

why this matters is context

the obvious common sense version is...this is TEXAS

that industry is one of the largest industries in the state

so it's pretty obvious that an obvious and unapologetic backer of Bernie conveniently throws out a stat that sounds sensational if you don't know or understand context

it's trying to make him look beholden to big oil when he's really just you know beholden to his constituents

that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to how this data is presented btw bc his individual donor was huge across a ton of different industries and scaled pretty predictably based on what industries employ the most individuals in the state

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154. "yeah I'll take my L on this"
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You guys are 100% right, and I kinda fell for it at first.


The good news is that it seems like an easy clap back AND a reason to remind everyone that he raised money from INDIVIDUALS not companies.

  

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181. "the thing about clapbacks is they aren't sensational though"
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so the clapback is never going to reach as widely as the misinformation

this is exactly why fake news is so effective bc most people don't need context to start forming opinions

this isn't even shade at you bc it happens to everyone at some point

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159. "do we know if any of the donations are bundles from corps?"
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are there stacks of big individual donations from oil execs?
Bundles were used all the time back when people cared about campaign financing; this has been a thing in American politics for a minute.

This isn't a smear, this is politics 101.

  

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180. "yes, we know the answer to those questions"
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it's a transparent process which is why pointing out one dataset in a vaccuum is intentionally misleading...

it's taking advantage of kneejerk reactions and wildly varying levels of understanding

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132. "The question is, to what end is the investigation going?"
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Oil, gas, farming and steel are the top employing industries in Texas. So if Beto's raising funds through individual donors, chances are, he's going to have a lot of donors who work in those industries. That's VERY different from receiving large donations from Exxon and Monsanto.

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135. "I think Beto could probably roll with that explanation and be fine"
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same as Bern dog when they tried to pin similar accusations on him.

I think a big difference w/say Beto vs. HRC is that likely no one is going to bring in the same amount of baggage as the Clintons. So like i said above, it's fine to look at that number and ask wtf? It seems like something Beto could fairly easily address in a debate or some other public forum. If he doesn't get defensive and refuse to address it for months on end Clinton-style, and then give some kind of half-assed non-explanation, then it won't amount to shit.

I went of from 'hhhmmm....' to 'who gives a fuck?' after about 2 min.




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153. "that's silly bc the initial "wtf" is based on ignorance"
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the reason we keep expecting them to rationalize this is bc the way the data is presented is implying something that isn't there

it's silly to keep asking them why they get support from certain industries when it's really individuals within an industry that has a large presence in my state

it's pointless and silly bc it sows seeds of stupidity and tin foil hat folks eat it up and ignore the reasonable responses

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157. "Fair point. It's reasonable to ask who he gets money from, though"
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oil industry sets off some flags. I wouldn't mind learning a bit more still, but for now it seem innocuous enough. I mean, what was the average contribution in the pool that was included as 'oil industry'? I know the threshold was 'above $200', but I would be curious to see if it's closer to 50 people donating $10K each than it is to 2500 people donating $200 ea.

The stat as presented was definitely shitty and fairly misleading, but worth asking the question.

And to clarify, my 'wtf' wasn't outrage (though for some it may be), it was more something that I wanted know more about cuz it was a surprising fact (even if it lacked context or understanding). My initial thought was 'did it affect his voting in any significant way?'. I'd still like to hear a bit more about that, since so many of his local constituents work in the oil industry.

I just can't get too worked up either way. It seems like political fair play to me. I mean, if he can't overcome that question...





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158. "yup"
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176. "in theory sure"
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but when this is about intentionally misleading "data"

the onus on him to correct it is basically giving a pass to fake newsers

if the foundation of the questions being asked is ignorance and obvious malice...just hold the L and the person presenting the info accountable for being full of shit

as soon as the data is known to be bullshit...continuing to scrutinize data that's easily understood by most to seem fair is rewarding intellectual dishonesty with more of it disguised as critical thinking

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79. "Tried to tell Handle that Beto would change his mind"
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I hope it’s true

shut up already, damn

  

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83. "80 goddamned years old at the end of 2020. "
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I just cant...

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107. "btw these *same* folks are adamant about pelosi being too old "
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and dems needing new/younger leadership asap.

but are still campaigning for a guy 5 years older than trump...who is already the oldest elected president ever.

then they got pissed and cried ageism/sexism when their handpicked 'progressive' candidate lost the dem caucus chair to a rising star 20 years younger than her. and white 'progressives' actually tried to play 'the race card' because she was a black woman who got passed over. nevermind the fact she got beat by a black man and dems have 2 black people in the top ranks of the party for the first time ever.

goalposts on roam like a flip phone.

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130. "no major progressive has a problem with pelosi's age"
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they have a problem with her policy and funding and politics.

Is this your side hustle or something?

  

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115. "he definitely dying in office. old ass."
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117. "lol i saw some stat that he has like a 5% chance of dying this year."
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like a 15% chance of dying by 2021.
like a 35% chance of dying in his 1st term.
and like 50/50 on dying in his 2nd term.

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86. "bernie as president just isnt gonna fly"
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i like his tactics and policies im hoping if beto runs he gets him onboard. i dont think bernie will try to derail a candidate he could support. his supporters though?

hopefully dems can get organized this time and start getting behind the peoples preferred candidate.


right now im for beto but im open to seeing who else runs and how they compare.

  

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87. "Fuck Bernie (and you too if you support him)"
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He's not becoming president.

This is like Perot '96 all over again.

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89. "Not at all, unless he runs as a third party candidate"
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>This is like Perot '96 all over again.

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93. "I meant in the sense of "excitement" from a certain class"
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In 96 - and today - we call them goobers.

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101. "no beto. no bernie. do you like anybody? lol."
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90. "I'm happy to let it all play out. No early anointed ones"
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As long as shit doesn't get personal and people don't get entrenched into camps, I'm all for democrat candidates fighting it out.

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139. "Yeah, this is where I am"
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I can't with people who already have their person and won't listen to anyone else. Particularly when barely any of these people have said anything about foreign policy (the thing a President can actually impact the most by themselves) yet.

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95. "Cmon Reeq"
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It really seems like you have something against progressives. For one thing, you go extra hard on them- even when they are just doing what any other political group would do.

I like Beto. I like his chances, his swag, his funding, etc. I do.


But lets not anoint him. Lets learn from 16. Lets run an actual primary, and select the best candidate.


And no, I don't think that is Bernie. I think Bernie, Hillary, and Biden all need to fall back.


But please don't go back into attacking anything and everything progressives do.

And, do YOU want a Dem candidate/President who is in bed with big oil?

  

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97. "I expect any candidate to be in bed with somebody"
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you from Cali? I expect Hollywood and tech dollars

You from NY? I expect Wall St dollars?

You from DC? I expect beltway shenanigans.

Just be better than the other guy in office and don’t have no ugly surprises later in the race.

Obama had Wall St dollars and we didn’t give a shit.

shut up already, damn

  

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102. "Fair"
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Which is why we should just get a real primary this time.


I don't like the oil thing, but maybe he is still the best candidate all things considered.

But in the primary let it all come out- within reason of course. And (like I think you said up top), better now than later.


** I didn't (still don't) like Obama's cozy relationship with Wall St. I think that, along with his tendency to run to the middle sometimes/desire to win over people calling him a socialist muslim, prevented him from being a GREAT president. But, I'd obviously take him back in a heart beat.

  

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110. "texas gdp growth and employment level are largely reliant"
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on energy/utilities like fossil fuels. is a candidate from texas supposed to forsake an entire sector that keeps much of the working class tax base afloat? its like 1/5 the state economy alone or something like that.

are 'progressives' also gonna shit on betos support of nafta (that bernie hates) in texas...which has almost half a million agriculture/ranching/etc jobs tied directly to trade with mexico?

see how complex these things get? people cant just broadbush everything.

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104. "Yeah, I agree. These big firms & organizations donate to everybody"
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They donate to GOP & Democrats who are running against each other for the same office.

That shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

  

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109. "beto accepted no corporate money tho."
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these are donations from individuals/employees who work in those sectors (its mandatorily disclosed). texas has the most fossil fuel employees in the nation. of course a lot of donations are gonna come from people who work them jobs.

its intentionally misleading.

and sirota (and his allies) all know this. because they defended bernie when clinton tied him to 'fossil fuel donors' the same way.

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113. "Word? Yeah, that's a different animal"
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And you're right, if that's the case it's intentionally misleading.

  

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105. "i have a problem with 'progressives' not progressives."
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im a progressive policy/vote-wise. the type with the track record to show for it but get labeled establishment/neoliberal/etc because they dont pledge allegiance to the $27 cult.

im criticizing the brand champions. not the true adherents.

the type that champion diversity and gender equality then try to kneecap a glass shattering lesbian and native american progressive woman candidate in kansas in favor of a mediocre white male carpet bagger from missouri who organized for bernie and wore the 'progressive' label louder.

the type to support a socially conservative anti-abortion pro-assad anti-muslim anti-gay dem senator from hawaii simply because she endorsed bernie when nobody else would. then attack joy ann reid for being 'bigoted' and 'homophobic' over old blog posts.

look im all for scrutinizing campaign contributions. but these *exact* people criticized hillary clinton for running the *exact* same attack on bernie sanders (conflating donations by employees of a disclosed industry with corporate donations).

theyve been doing this passive aggressive smearing against threats to their preferred candidates for an entire election election. it didnt start with beto. thats exactly why they are getting called out.

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108. "who specifically, though?"
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Thanks for the response, but maybe I just need to keep a better eye out for specific people/publications...?


I feel you. The Bernie loyalists are...weird...and I have no doubt they have caused damage. The Bernie for Prez folks need to fall back for a number of reasons.


However, I probably get overly defensive because I was consistently accused of being a Bernie Bro cuz I had issues with Hil and her campaign.

In other words, I get a little worried that anyone who has criticisms of the Dem party or their front-runners just get lumped in as Bernie bros- and that isn't necessarily the case.

  

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112. "i dont think anyone on here hated hillary more than me lol."
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i just found this old post.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12979692&mesg_id=12979692&listing_type=search#12979773

for me...the term bernie bro is reserved for the cartoonishly/stereotypically devoted. like the unintentionally comedic and completely predictable. theres exactly one person on here who fits that bill imo...and it def aint you.

as far as specific people im referring in the above posts...man...theres like an entire cottage industry filled with them. david sirota, michael tracey, glenn greenwald (and theintercept), thenation, theyoungturks mostly, etc.

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114. "holy shit look at these old predictions of mine from feb 2016."
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http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12975861&mesg_id=12975861&listing_type=search#12976593
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12975861&mesg_id=12975861&listing_type=search#12976635
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=4&topic_id=12975861&mesg_id=12975861&listing_type=search#12976652

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116. "Damn."
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118. "Murph ain’t been the same since"
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Seen him post a few times in sports but dude prolly threw his politic credentials in the Hudson or set them shits on fire.

shut up already, damn

  

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121. "Aw man. No one should take it that hard."
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Cause we were literally, besides reeq apparently, ALL wrong about 2016. Like pundits, most of us here (besides reeq haha), local news anchors, 538, Obama, etc. etc. etc. Everyone (besides ...) got it wrong.

No reason to quit talking shop. Or maybe it's for his mental health in which case ... I get it and should've prolly followed suit.

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131. "He came thru and let us know he was done talking politics "
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Hopefully he comes back but I don’t blame him if he doesn’t. Trump snatched some souls with that election. Folks were so sure... lol.

Thankfully I jumped off that bandwagon early as fuck. As soon as murph told me you didn’t have to show taxes legally to run... and then my wife’s gay white friend in Alabama called and said he was voting for the first time in his life



....for Trump.


I knew shit was funky. Still mad about that. Dude actually called like she would be happy for him. Fucking asshole.

shut up already, damn

  

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134. "whoa"
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>... and then my wife’s gay white friend in Alabama called
>and said he was voting for the first time in his life
>
>
>
> ....for Trump.
>
>
>I knew shit was funky. Still mad about that. Dude actually
>called like she would be happy for him. Fucking asshole.
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136. "Holy shit."
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>RE: He came thru and let us know he was done talking politics
>Hopefully he comes back but I don’t blame him if he
>doesn’t. Trump snatched some souls with that election. Folks
>were so sure... lol.
>
>Thankfully I jumped off that bandwagon early as fuck. As soon
>as murph told me you didn’t have to show taxes legally to
>run... and then my wife’s gay white friend in Alabama called
>and said he was voting for the first time in his life
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>
>
> ....for Trump.
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>
>I knew shit was funky. Still mad about that. Dude actually
>called like she would be happy for him. Fucking asshole.

That's .... that's fucked up. Really really fucked up.

Yea I mean ... I honestly said early on in general season to a group of my college friends on an e-mail "holy shit Trump's gonna take this thing" and it was based on similar sort of eerie instances that shocked me. People I never would've expected backing him, stories of parts of the country w/Trump signs all over the lawn ... it just *felt* like it was in the air.

But all that said I was *still* being facetious. Like at the time I was so shocked that he would get even 1% of the vote that I wrote that e-mail. But all I really thought was that it would be *far* closer than people had been predicting.

And I would've never gone scorched earth like murph apparently did to bet the house that he wouldn't win. Cause again, it was in the air. The bigotry runs DEEP and you could fucking feel it.

But I mean ... my lack of presence in those 2016 threads is telling. If I *really* thought he had a reasonable chance at winning I'd have been all up in here. And I wasn't. So I, like everyone else (besides reeq !) didn't take him *that* seriously. A fatal mistake, of course.

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137. "I laughed at Denny early on"
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but soon after I started warning people not to trust America.


Also, the hate for Hillary is real.

shut up already, damn

  

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138. "Yea it is. And to be fair a lot of it is justified."
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>Also, the hate for Hillary is real.

She was a horrible candidate because she's not relatable, sadly. Also because the perception that she only won the primaries because it was "her turn" had some merit.

But then the "don't trust America" thing you said comes into play because as cheesy as she was, as unnatural as she was, as many mini scandals she had, as much as you knew people would elicit Bill at every turn ... she was and is STILL a TRILLION times more qualified than 45*. There's not a thing you could say about Hillary, true or false, that would make a rational person think 45* was a better vote.

Still so mindblowing. But yea Hillary was just about the worst person to go head to head with that creature.

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124. "lol yeah that was rough"
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I don't remember all the specifics, but I know he was SUPER confident it would work out.

  

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119. "aight give us the future this time. whats gonna happen."
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120. "PLEASE DON'T"
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I have to imagine it's nothing I'd want to hear. Ha.

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126. "lol right now im actually leaning kinda optimistic."
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ive repeatedly said it on here but trump is basically putting up gw bush 2nd term approval numbers before the crash. and sure enough dems gained even more house seats than they did in the 2006 wave. and it would have been even better without gop gerrymandering districts in key states.

dems ran up the biggest midterm popular vote margin in history. like 10 mil votes between the parties.

the rust belt swung back to dems in a big way (except for ohio). so i think trump can kiss those states goodbye.

repubs gaining seats in the senate is a bummer but dems had a historically bad map. -2 seat net loss and all that bad. and pushing nv and az more blue bodes well for the future. as does significantly better performances (tho losing) in ga and tx.

it wouldnt be a surprise if dems do as good or better than 2008. especially with an inspiring unifying candidate like beto.

the only problem imo is gonna be voter suppression. and looking at whats going on in wi, mi, and nc right now...it looks like repubs think thats their only key to win too. the fl repub gov gets to appoint 3 new judges to the state supreme court too. replacing 3 liberal judges for a 6-1 conservative majority. so you know fl is about to be on some fuck shit without having to worry about the court tamping on voter suppression like it has in the past few years.

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133. "Biggest variable is what's going on in the Wisconsin legislature"
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If they succeed in lameducking the voter rolls to hell, Trump's got a good chance at reelection. If that power grab gets thrown out, it'll be a Democrat. Hell, Clinton lost by smaller of a margin than the amount the rolls were purged in Wisconsin thanks to the voter ID law.

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122. "id have to wait to see the candidates 1st."
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123. "damn..."
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I wasn't really heavily involved at that stage, but you nailed a lot of stuff.


The idea that the choice was Hillary or a 75 year old independent socialist never sat right to me. Wish I could have gotten in on some of those fights...

  

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145. "there was a great video I watched yesterday about this"
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my dude Michael Brooks (seriously, watch his show) had Kyle Kulinski from Secular Talk (who I feel goes into that "progressive (with quotes)" box of which you speak) and they just kind of talked it out.

really good points made. Brooks (who understands history as it relates to politics) made sure to note that to build a coalition, you need to be serious about certain things to get the groups to come together.

you don't even have to go to 2016. look at 2008.

Barack Obama got the "DMX" response until Iowa caucus happened. a few more wins and people were convinced that he would have their back in certain ways, he rode that wave to the Presidency.

(now whether Obama held up his side of the deal is a different discussion altogether...)

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148. "kyle kulinski is def in the group of 'progressives'."
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the type of folks who spend more time attacking dems (supposedly) from the left more than they attack the american taliban (repubs).

kulinski is part of that justice dem pac (along with tyt folks) whose candidates flipped a total of 1 seat in the midterm house wave...but they feel they know whats best for the national party lol.

im glad you brought up coalition building because these folks just constantly produce single-issue litmus tests to filter candidates through. its wall street/corporate pac donations. then its medicare for all. now its green new deal. they progress to new reasons to not vote for someone over.

shaun king (who is great for police and criminal justice shit but absolute trash on just about everything else lol) literally sends out a tweet like every year on some 'im not a single issue voter at all...but i dont think i could ever vote for someone who doesnt endorse (insert new single issue litmus test here)'. he always gets clowned for it because its to the point of parody now.

youll never have a tent big enough to win nationwide if you dont moderate (which is why progressives have trouble winning).

thanks for that link. ima check it out.

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162. "Indeed."
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>im glad you brought up coalition building because these folks
>just constantly produce single-issue litmus tests to filter
>candidates through. its wall street/corporate pac donations.
>then its medicare for all. now its green new deal. they
>progress to new reasons to not vote for someone over.
>
>shaun king (who is great for police and criminal justice shit
>but absolute trash on just about everything else lol)
>literally sends out a tweet like every year on some 'im not a
>single issue voter at all...but i dont think i could ever vote
>for someone who doesnt endorse (insert new single issue litmus
>test here)'. he always gets clowned for it because its to the
>point of parody now.
>
>youll never have a tent big enough to win nationwide if you
>dont moderate (which is why progressives have trouble
>winning).

you'll probably enjoy Brooks's commentary the most.
Where Kyle had me looking funny was when he was more generous to the amount of "non-flippable" Republicans.

  

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155. "Bernie got high on all that attention"
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Which is understandable just as a human being. it's like nothing he experienced in 70+ years. He's not gonna be able to recapture that magic. If Beto runs, Bern's about to be grumpy old man as shit seeing that whipper snapper snatch up most of that energy and adulation.

You could see him grit his teeth trying to ride for Hillary. He did what he had to do but he was never able to fake it well.

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140. "Beto or Tulsi"
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142. "What do people like so much about Tulsi?"
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is this just because she was an early Bernie backer in 2016, or are there that many Medicare for All supporters that are also Hindu nationalists with very strong opinions on how Assad is a victim?

Like, there's enough actual progressives out there who don't have her weird baggage, so is there something else I'm missing?

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147. "i ask another okp this all the time when he brings her name up."
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like have you ever looked at her actual history?

theres a reason why the alt right loves her and she was up for a position in the trump administration.

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149. "I don't get it either...this is where putting &quot;progressive&quot;"
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in quotes is fully justified.

She does not seem that progressive at all, and her baggage is unreal.


The **only** potential I see is as a strategic VEEP pick to poach some voters who voted for Trump last time.

But I think there are better picks for that too...such as Klobuchar, who could probably help lock up Minnesota, WI and potentially others.

Or if it is the veteran thing, seems like Tammy Duckworth would be a better VEEP pick...though I'll admit I don't know much about her.

  

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151. "she didnt support any form of single payer until mid 2017."
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didnt join the house progressive caucus til last winter lol.

but they still shit on hillary for 'evolving' only when it was politically expedient (even tho she was fighting for single payer in the 90s lol).

as much as 'progressives' slander 'neoliberals' in congress who have been actually voting for progressive legislation for decades...its really baffling why they stan for this chick (unless its really only about her going out on a limb for bernie).

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161. "I think she must have been very anti-imperialist"
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and willing to talk about the abuses of "both sides".

she basically gives me "converted libertarian" vibes, because yeah. I'd take Bernie Sanders 90x over her

  

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164. "Gabbard won’t work. "
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Too antiwar for the Democratic primary. Democrats prefer their candidates silent on foreign policy or hawkish.

  

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141. "Pour one out for Avenatti's campaign that never was"
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Could've grifted so much money from so many credulous dipshits.

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144. "i never understood his appeal"
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146. "i liked him in the beginning."
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not as a potential politician tho lol.

dude should have just stuck to lawyering. but his ego got out of control.

dude turned into an entry level shitshow tho. muddying the kavanaugh accusation convo, swindling beto donations for his super pac, domestic violence accusations, fighting with lefties on twitter, apparently filing the lawsuit against trump/cohen against stormys will, etc.

but i still appreciate the fact that he created the snowball that lead to michael cohen flipping and the 1st concrete trump criminal act being exposed (with more to come).

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150. "yes to this"
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>but i still appreciate the fact that he created the snowball
>that lead to michael cohen flipping and the 1st concrete trump
>criminal act being exposed (with more to come).

  

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156. "he'll probably be a fox contributor a year from now"
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163. "See this is why fast microwave media sucks. "
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This dude was never a presidential contender. In the days where news wasn't working on a hourly news cycle, this dude's announcement would have been a blip like Trump's announcement in the 80s.

But because of the hourly news cycle, bullshit gets treated seriously and discussed over and over again until shit is talked into existence.

I am proud to say I didn't read a single article about this dude's "campaign" because it never had a whiff of being a real thing.




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165. "btw heres a donor summary showing why attacks on beto are misleading"
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this is a more thorough breakdown from the same site as the chart that 'progressives' are circulating to tie beto to the oil/gas industry.

but strangely...they didnt post this detailed info. *wink*

https://www.opensecrets.org/members-of-congress/industries?cid=N00033540&cycle=2018

1st...beto is the #1 recipient for donors in damn near *every* industry but 6. and he is #2 in 4 of the remaining 6 industries.

2nd...the contributions come from 100% individuals. $0 in corporate pac contributions for all industries.

im actually glad they tried this line of attack now. made it much easier to debunk before it could be spun into a real issue.

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166. "dope"
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thanks for this.

i dont know how to feel about these articles about him meeting with obama or obama's "operatives"

it makes sense if he is considering a run to do his homework and try to get the best people on board.

im just worried about beto being "anointed" so early or push back from faux and foes trying to tie him to obama/clinton.

i think trump being president might have actually removed a lot of obama stigma....not clinton though.

  

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167. "obama has been regularly meeting with *everybody*."
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including biden, bernie, warren, booker, etc.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/politics/obama-2020-contenders-meeting/index.html

he even met with andrew gillum recently even tho theres been no real indication he is considering running for president.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/12/05/politics/andrew-gillum-barack-obama-meeting/index.html

theres no evidence obama is even talking to people specifically about running in 2020. he has been talking to schumer, pelosi, coons and flake too. and im pretty sure none of them are running for prez lol.

i think the media is just ramping up its 2020 narratives because its profitable and they wanna get those ratings up for those ad buy rates during campaign season.

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170. "true"
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the narrative is what worries me.

those early headlines can stick with people.

  

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171. "im not sure people care about ties like that. "
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especially ties to obama. he left office with an almost 60% approval rating.

repubs just spent an entire midterm campaign cycle tying just about every dem candidate to nancy pelosi (who is far more unpopular than obama). dems ended up netting their most house seats since watergate, the biggest midterm percentage margin since 1986, biggest midterm raw vote total margin ever.

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172. "Agreed. Plus, Obama and his team know how to win elections"
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Regardless of where you fall on Obama (and team), they can win elections.

AND, it seems he/they learned from their mistakes in 2010.

  

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174. "yeah obama alumni did well in the midterms."
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honestly i think a lot of the losses attributed to obama were just backlash against a black president. issues be damned.

the public opinion trajectory of obamacare pretty much proves this.

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175. "Pretty sure even Obama admitted "
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That he eased up on the gas after 08, and didn’t
do the best job selling successes, etc.

I want to say he said something like that in an
interview towards the end of his presidency.

That’s what I was referencing.

I agree with you on the backlash not just in
‘10 but all the way up until now.

But

I do think ’10 didnt have to be as bad as it was- and
I think that was Obama’s point.

Never stop selling, don’t ease up on the message,
don’t take any election for granted.

I really liked that he could admit that mistake- I hope
I didn’t dream it.

One of the things that pissed me off most after 16
is that Hilary folks seemingly couldn’t even entertain
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179. "oh there def were other factors but"
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the koch brothers going all out, the tea party being unleashed, the courts taking the shackles off voter suppression and dark money, blatant obstruction in states and congress, acceptance of obstruction and rejection of basic governance by citizens just to see him 'fail' (even at their own expense), the biggest exodus of non-college educated whites from the democratic party since the civil rights act, republican voters abandonment of the principle of democracy and full embrace of authoritarianism...all reactions to a black president.

shit...half of white dems refused to campaign with obama and barely hardly ever defended him and his policies because they were terrified of their white constituents at home.

dude saved the economy, gave millions of people healthcare, and mandated fairness for women in the workplace. but he was still on a political island by himself. and he was an anchor around the necks of democrats across the country. because of the color of his skin.

all the salesmanship in the world aint gonna be able to blunt most of that.

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183. "yep, ol girl in Kentucky (Alison Lundergan Grimes) was one of these"
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>shit...half of white dems refused to campaign with obama and
>barely hardly ever defended him and his policies because they
>were terrified of their white constituents at home.
>
>dude saved the economy, gave millions of people healthcare,
>and mandated fairness for women in the workplace. but he was
>still on a political island by himself. and he was an anchor
>around the necks of democrats across the country. because of
>the color of his skin.
>
>all the salesmanship in the world aint gonna be able to blunt
>most of that.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/10/09/40-painful-seconds-of-alison-lundergan-grimes-refusing-to-say-whether-she-voted-for-president-obama/?utm_term=.2f4e6573b77a

she should have, in a world where all these imaginary "rational" people exist, mopped the floor with that corrupt crook turtle McConnell.

but.... white people

Yes, I'm mad. Let's move on.

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184. "they asked clay aiken (yeah *that* clay aiken) in an interview"
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if he was gonna have obama come down and campaign with him while he was running for a house seat in nc. he was like 'OH GOD NO'. spent most of his campaign having to 'defend' his vote for obama in 2012 smh. then lost by 20pts anyway.

bill maher called him out when he barked on democrats for distancing themselves from obama (he mentioned grimes too lol).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p5kzwd7mZo

but think about how racist this country is. democrats had to distance themselves from a true virtuous statesman like obama to win elections. meanwhile repubs run hand and hand with a completely corrupt dirtbag like trump to get votes.

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168. "apparently bernie was the 5th biggest recipient of defense cash in 2016"
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even more than neocon warhawk john mccain.
*wink*

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?ind=D&recipdetail=A&sortorder=U&mem=Y&cycle=2016

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169. "under fire...dave sirota defends himself by re-litigating 2008 primary."
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https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1070745145644003328

clinton derangement syndrome apparently has no expiration date.

'progressives' horseshoeing towards fox news viewers.

its a small sect of bernie fanatics up against...clinton, obama, and beto supporters. basically against the entire democratic party lol. yeah the 2020 primary aint gonna be good for these folks.

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173. "btw this is the tweet sirota is replying to. "
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https://twitter.com/neeratanden/status/1070707516697403399

its pretty obvious to everyone whats going on.

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177. "he's an obvious fanboy pretending to be a journalist lol"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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178. "'progressive' bernie supporter in wapo: beto isnt progressive enough"
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-this-progressive-texan-cant-get-excited-about-beto-orourke/2018/12/05/641c7f0e-f8b9-11e8-8c9a-860ce2a8148f_story.html

same 'progressive' bernie supporter: im anti-abortion.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dtxtw0mUcAAntNE.jpg

like cmon.

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182. "smh"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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185. "beto tops all candidates in moveon.org members poll."
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biden in 2nd (lol). bernie in 3rd (yikes).
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/beto-o-rourke-narrowly-tops-moveon-2020-presidential-straw-poll-n946501

bernie got 78% of the vote from this same group in 2016. now hes in 3rd. if progressive activist groups arent firmly behind him then it shows hes lost a considerable amount of support even among his own base.

i see exactly why they would fear beto now. if hes doing well with progressives and young people...then bernie has no path to the nomination.

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186. "RE: beto tops all candidates in moveon.org members poll."
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>biden in 2nd (lol). bernie in 3rd (yikes).
>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/beto-o-rourke-narrowly-tops-moveon-2020-presidential-straw-poll-n946501
>
>bernie got 78% of the vote from this same group in 2016. now
>hes in 3rd. if progressive activist groups arent firmly
>behind him then it shows hes lost a considerable amount of
>support even among his own base.
>
>i see exactly why they would fear beto now. if hes doing well
>with progressives and young people...then bernie has no path
>to the nomination.
>

If he got 78% of the vote against Hillary only, I think that tells you a lot.


Honestly, the primary "field" 4 years ago was so terrible I don't even think you can compare the results either way.


My main point is that is why Bernie or die heads have to snap back to reality. His only competition last time was a historically disliked/distrusted candidate with a ton of baggage, and a politician so terrible they based a villain on The Wire after him.


I am surprised to see Biden so high with Move On members, but damn at the undecided. And I am honestly shocked Bloomberg is on the list at all. He pay people to vote for him?


Booker might want to pack it in already though lol. I just don't see it with dude.


Honestly, the biggest surprise here is Warren to me. I know its just a straw poll, but I wonder if her people are concerned by that.

  

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193. "i think the overall point is that bernie doesnt have a stranglehold"
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on what many considered to be his natural core.

if anyone knows how big of a part moveon.org played in sanders rise then they know how big of a deal this is.

to see him splitting votes with establishment dem biden and beto (who has a lot of position that arent even necessarily 'progressive') should raise red flags.

i said it on here a few times before but i thought bernie would be a weaker primary candidate this go round. thats how things are looking right now (even tho its an early poll).

you hit on something important. a lot of bernies appeal seemed to have been based on acute anti-clinton sentiment. the fact that someone indistinguishable from clinton policy-wise (biden) is beating bernie (and among progressives!) seems to prove this.

i think biden and beto could consolidate a lot of votes split between all of the 'establishment' candidates on the list too (if they were to pull out or not run). the same cant be said for bernie imo. that should be even more alarming to his folks.

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187. "Bernie is too old"
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and now that Trump has shown he has the crazies we need new energy.

shut up already, damn

  

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188. "Bernie and his supporters aren't the enemy in 2020 either"
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they're gonna push for a progressive agenda, which they should do. We gotta let the Bernie Bro thing go.

I'm still not even sure, Bernie runs though. I supported Bern in 2016, and i still think a lot of his policy ideas are a great way forward for our country. In the primary I'll vote for whoever comes closest what I think is the best way forward for our country. As a former Bernie voter, my lukewarmness on Bern in 2020 has less to do with his policy than it does with me not wanting a candidate who is old as dust.

I doubt I would vote for Bernie, cuz as mentioned, he's old as fuck. I appreciate that he lit a fire under some actual honest to goodness left wing politicians, though. Our country has been slowly sliding to the right since Jimmy Carter.

Bottom line, i think most people will rally around a Democrat with an actual message and vision. Beto could be that dude, but he's going to have to firm it up a bit as the primary comes near. Right now he's painting in some pretty broad strokes, which is fine at this point in the game, but he's going to need to take a few hard positions at some point. Trying to be all things to all people was one of HRCs biggest flaws.



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189. "I agree with all of this"
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I think that HRC was even worse though.

  

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195. "i think this is the legacy of the current progressive movement."
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>I doubt I would vote for Bernie, cuz as mentioned, he's old as
>fuck. I appreciate that he lit a fire under some actual
>honest to goodness left wing politicians, though. Our country
>has been slowly sliding to the right since Jimmy Carter.

even tho they arent piling up big wins in competitive elections or knocking off moderate incumbents at an extraordinary rate...they are no doubt pushing candidates left on key issues (like cuomo/nixon, northam/perriello, etc).

but that also stunts a lot of their ability to get elected when their more well-rounded opponent (by traditional standards) can just pick off a progressive stance or two from them and render them inert.

if progressives selectively moderated to fit their districts/states instead of the rote dedication to a 'progressive' checklist then they would fare better nationwide imo. like running on a $15 minimum wage in a college-educated suburban swing district isnt really gonna move the needle lol.

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190. "Man I could get hype over a Beto/Harris Ticket"
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And I think if they could get Bernie to endorse/bless early and announce he would have a prominent role in their administration, that would be dope and a win for all (Sorry Biden/Clinton).



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196. "this is way too good to happen lol."
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thats my dream ticket right now tho.

i hate how dem candidates have to worry about being attacked from the left as much as being attacked from the right. bernie folks already have both beto and harris in their crosshairs and i dont think even bernie can stop his supporters from going michael myers.

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191. "Remember when Warren seemed like she got next?"
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yikes not so much anymore


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192. "has anyone ever completely tanked their chances "
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on the (unofficial) opening of their campaign like that before?

homegirl had a short film and an accompanying thinkpiece in a major newspaper and told trump where to send his money like 'domino muthafucka' lol.

niggas saw them opening weekend numbers and immediately pulled the remaining promo run.

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194. "But so much of this is artificial though. Like that michael avenatti"
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distraction. He announces he is running for president and the media covers it and takes it seriously though it was so clear that dude never had a chance at being a real contender.

I love Warren but never thought she had a chance of being President of anything other than the NorthEast. Same with Bloomberg. These people don't have real shots.

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197. "Well, at least one dude from TX is running: Julian Castro got 5 on it"
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Forms Presidential exploratory committee

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198. "tulsi gabbard seriously considers running."
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https://twitter.com/JRBoh/status/1073011363755249665

more power to her lol.

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