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Buck
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"Racin' 2021"


  

          

Made it through stage 1 at Daytona last night before going to bed. Something like 9 cars finished? Expensive race.

Looking forward to F1. Prediction: Lewis wins.

  

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Subject Author Message Date ID
I found out the race was back on when it ended?
Feb 15th 2021
1
Keselowski RACED his ass off...
Feb 15th 2021
2
      I'd have been pjssed
Feb 15th 2021
3
I learned race fans hate Bubba Wallace
Feb 15th 2021
4
I think he'd be hated even if he were white.
Feb 16th 2021
5
Mercedes AMG has been recapping their F1 cars for the last 8 years
Feb 21st 2021
6
I can't get up for recapping all that.
Feb 23rd 2021
7
All the 2021 cars have broke cover. Testing next week
Mar 05th 2021
8
Have to say I like the Aston Martin colours
Mar 09th 2021
9
at some point we have to discuss Verstappen taking Kvyat's seat
Mar 11th 2021
10
Have to assume Kvyat has Russian mob connections.
Mar 11th 2021
13
      if Verstappen's wheel comes off at the first turn in Sochi
Mar 11th 2021
15
Any F1 heads in here? Hoping you can help me out.
Mar 11th 2021
11
Hm. Lots of stuff.
Mar 11th 2021
12
Shift F1 podcast just posted their 2021 season primer
Mar 11th 2021
14
someone explain to me how Mercedes has
Mar 11th 2021
16
and the closest anyone got was when Ferrari was cheating
Mar 12th 2021
17
And a whole lotta $$$$$$$$$$$$$
Mar 12th 2021
18
They got the engine regs right the first time
Mar 12th 2021
19
Max on pole. We should have an interesting season
Mar 27th 2021
20
Whole field is all over the place.
Mar 27th 2021
21
Jesus. Lewis is just unbeatable.
Mar 28th 2021
22
Max gave him everything he had. Wasn't quite enough
Mar 28th 2021
23
he's the champ. you're going to have to beat him 10/10 ways
Mar 30th 2021
24
Was a fun race to watch.
Apr 01st 2021
25
This season just got extra interesting
Apr 18th 2021
26
Fun race.
Apr 18th 2021
27
Bottas still had the line, and Russell had space
Apr 18th 2021
28
Russell was making a risky move there in those conditions
Apr 19th 2021
29
Not a thrilling race.
May 03rd 2021
30
Lewis: Still better.
May 03rd 2021
31
      RE: Lewis: Still better.
May 04th 2021
32
Shades of Hungary 2019 in this win
May 09th 2021
33
Who says this?
May 09th 2021
34
as someone who dabbles in F1 I feel like I've heard that a lot
May 09th 2021
35
      Well, it's both, more or less.
May 09th 2021
36
           Little of both
May 09th 2021
38
that Lewis has had a pole in every single year he's been in F1
May 09th 2021
37
      Hot(ish) take: if he's not the GOAT, you racist
May 09th 2021
39
      the record is unimpeachable
May 12th 2021
42
      He's won in every season he's competed in too right?
May 13th 2021
44
           yuuup
May 14th 2021
45
How under appreciated is Hamilton?
May 12th 2021
40
Mm...not very?
May 12th 2021
41
he's the greatest and he's still doing it at the GOAT level
May 12th 2021
43
      Actually been thinking about this a lot the last few days.
May 14th 2021
46
           I probably should have said "In the US"
May 14th 2021
47
                The failure to create household names is a real problem...
May 14th 2021
48
Satisfying to see Merc botch a weekend.
May 23rd 2021
49
apparently the wheel is still on the car rn
May 24th 2021
50
Yeah, I mean, cross-threading a nut ain't that uncommon.
May 24th 2021
51
Petronas goes all out, win or lose
May 25th 2021
52
Yeah, I didn't have a Perez/Vettel/Gasly podium on my bingo card.
Jun 06th 2021
53
Two high speed blowouts is not a good look
Jun 08th 2021
54
      Yeah, real pleased for Checo especially.
Jun 08th 2021
55
They gotta find a better French circuit.
Jun 20th 2021
56
The most annoying part about that race (and the coverage)
Jun 20th 2021
57
      Talking points during race coverage weren't great last week
Jun 23rd 2021
58
That was commanding.
Jun 27th 2021
59
Yeah, Mercedes got their asses kicked
Jun 28th 2021
60
Read something that they think they effed up the setup.
Jun 28th 2021
61
Mercedes best best might be to send some Big Beautiful Women
Jun 28th 2021
62
That was even more commanding.
Jul 04th 2021
63
This is still probably the most I've disliked watching someone win
Jul 06th 2021
64
Seven straight and you're upset they might not win an 8th?
Jul 06th 2021
65
      eh it's not really like that
Jul 06th 2021
67
           Max and Christian are the duo you love to hate. But they're good at it
Jul 07th 2021
68
                Yeah I really want Hamilton to get the 8th
Jul 07th 2021
70
I didn't think it was bad when Lewis punted alex
Jul 06th 2021
66
      It's a feast or famine move, for sure
Jul 07th 2021
69
So like, Siliverstone Qualifying is about to start now
Jul 16th 2021
71
I already don't like this.
Jul 17th 2021
72
Ugh.
Jul 18th 2021
73
I'm happy, but not. This was weird
Jul 18th 2021
74
RE: I'm happy, but not. This was weird
Jul 18th 2021
75
      Fair enough. And everyone will have an opinion on said move
Jul 18th 2021
76
      Well, two things.
Jul 18th 2021
77
           But, it's not like Max hasn't been doing the same this year
Jul 18th 2021
78
                alos, if it hadn't gone to a red flag
Jul 18th 2021
80
      a problem for max is that
Jul 18th 2021
79
           RE: a problem for max is that
Jul 19th 2021
81
                You can penalize the action, not the result
Jul 19th 2021
82
                     That's exactly what I just wrote.
Jul 19th 2021
83
Who's seat should Russell want, Lewis' or Valtteri's?
Jul 21st 2021
84
I mean, Lewis is confirmed right?
Jul 21st 2021
85
      Is that what the team wants/needs?
Jul 21st 2021
86
      There's def a lot at play there
Jul 21st 2021
87
           f1 contracts aren't like other sports because
Jul 22nd 2021
89
      I don't think there's a scenario where bottas is there that much longer
Jul 22nd 2021
88

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1. "I found out the race was back on when it ended?"
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wild that you can win daytona by just wrecking the cars in front of you

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2. "Keselowski RACED his ass off..."
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and McDowell just survived to a win.

when I threw the rifle in the river,
it looked like Bol Bol was diving in the river - Action Bronson

  

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3. "I'd have been pjssed"
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4. "I learned race fans hate Bubba Wallace"
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I'm like Jeeeeesus when reading the comments on social media.


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Buck
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5. "I think he'd be hated even if he were white."
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But being black surely doesn't help.

Fans almost always hate anybody who's young, fast, and aggressive. Eventually they come around and start to love you: Earnhardt, Waltrip, Harvick, Gordon...

Not Logano. Everybody still hates Logano, which is fair.

If the fans never come around on Wallace, welp.

  

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6. "Mercedes AMG has been recapping their F1 cars for the last 8 years"
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They're on the W08 'diva' now. Films are short, but sweet. Great look back at hoe the cars evolved. While the W07 was the world beater (the stats on that car in that season are just nuts) they didn't mention Lewis' unfortunate run of car failure. Still, probably the most dominant car (chassis and engine) besides the W11.

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Buck
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7. "I can't get up for recapping all that."
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"Look how great this car was!"

"This year's car was even better!"

"And this one was even better than that!"

Nope.

  

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8. "All the 2021 cars have broke cover. Testing next week"
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Alpine is absolutely fire.

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9. "Have to say I like the Aston Martin colours"
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this Tsunoda visor cam might be the coolest 'on-board' cam I can remember seeing for F1 before.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.watch-incredible-visor-cam-footage-of-yuki-tsunoda-lapping-imola-in-the-2021.2oboP6lwlM7AjUcgR8WyhM.html

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10. "at some point we have to discuss Verstappen taking Kvyat's seat"
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and then taking the mother of his child

I can't remember a time in sports seeing some shit like this

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Buck
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13. "Have to assume Kvyat has Russian mob connections."
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15. "if Verstappen's wheel comes off at the first turn in Sochi"
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you know what it is

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11. "Any F1 heads in here? Hoping you can help me out."
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Been watching the Netflix show and am HOOKED. I’m fascinated by this world I know nothing about. The cars are faster and the scenery is so much prettier than NASCAR.

Whats a good entry level place to start following F1? Think like websites or social accounts worth following.

Also How can I watch these races?

  

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12. "Hm. Lots of stuff."
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If you want to understand anything about the technical side of it, a guy with the youtube channel called "Chain Bear" does brilliant explanations of nearly anything you want to know about the cars and how they work.

https://www.youtube.com/user/chainbearf1

Autosport magazine is great, and they post a lot of news/analysis videos.

https://www.youtube.com/user/AUTOSPORTdotcom

I get most of my news from https://www.motorsport.com

Planet F1 is also really good: https://www.planetf1.com

I follow a bunch of people on Twitter. Adam Cooper is a good one: https://twitter.com/adamcooperF1

Ted Kravitz does his "notebook" segment before and after every race for Sky Sports, and you can usually track those down on youtube.

Other than that, just start watching. Preseason testing starts next week, I think.

I went ahead and bought the F1TV subscription last year, cause I got tired of fooling with streams, but there are plenty of those around. But I think ESPN still has the contract with F1 this year, if you have cable TV (I don't).

  

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14. "Shift F1 podcast just posted their 2021 season primer"
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it's made assuming you know nothing about the sport and will get you all the way ready

https://www.f1.cool/blog/137

I'd recommend watching practice sessions and quali once the season starts, it's helpful because there's a lot of dead time so the announcers will really fill you in on everything and everyone

and there's always drama in F1

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16. "someone explain to me how Mercedes has"
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legally stayed this far ahead of the competition for a decade.

I went to the 2014 Circuit of Americas and it seemed like they were just so far ahead of everyone...I would never imagine they would actually increase that gap 7 years later.

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17. "and the closest anyone got was when Ferrari was cheating"
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it seems like it's a couple of things

-- when you get it right with the engine everything else is easier. They don't have to play games with the aero package like Red Bull, they don't have to run at the absolute edge of reliability like Renault, and they always have a jump start on next year's development because they're not dicking around with fixes for the current year's car


-- they're not quite as far ahead as they look, but because every other team is run like a fucking circus they turn inches into miles. They weren't outlandishly faster than Red Bull last year, but because Albon couldn't keep up, Verstappen was basically going one-on-two every race, plus he was fucking up all the time.

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18. "And a whole lotta $$$$$$$$$$$$$"
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Hope the new money regs brings that gap down a bit.

  

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19. "They got the engine regs right the first time"
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I believe they focused a ton of time and resources getting that part right. As for car development, they did enough in 2013 to prove they could build a chassis then left off development, focusing on 2014 while other teams were still out chasing Red Bull and the end of the old regs. While everybody had issues at the start of 2014, Mercedes had a ton more right than anyone, and kept some gap to the rest of the field ever since.

That said, it hasn't exactly been a cakewalk for Lewis and Toto. 2016 was a disaster for Lewis, reliability-wise and his standing starts. 2017's car was very finicky to set up, and Ferrari, 'stroker' engine or not, pushed Mercedes through mid-2019, and at times had a faster chassis and/or engine that Mercedes at a given race. Even being underpowered Red Bull became a problem, but not having a driver to match up with Max after Ricciardo left tamped down any real chance at either constructors or driver championships.

Still, great chassis, great engine, great driver, great team, and a sh*t ton of money = 7 for 7 with the latest regs.

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20. "Max on pole. We should have an interesting season"
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Pulled out .320 or so on Lewis for the pole run.

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21. "Whole field is all over the place."
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Ferrari, AT, and Mclaren all within a second of pole.

  

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Buck
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22. "Jesus. Lewis is just unbeatable."
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23. "Max gave him everything he had. Wasn't quite enough"
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He's definitely heir apparent. But Sir Lewis is Sir Lewis, and he doesn't make that many mistakes.

This season is going to be stupidly close. I think Petronas still has a few things to sort out (and will) so at the end of the day they go 8 for 8, but this is going to be as close a race between the top of the field, midfield, and backmarkers.

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24. "he's the champ. you're going to have to beat him 10/10 ways"
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because if there's another way to win, he's not going to miss it

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25. "Was a fun race to watch."
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Season could be very interesting, gonna be nail-biting to watch while wanting to see Lewis get an 8th title so badly.

Watching Vettel still do Vettel things in an Aston Martin was amusing.

I was surprised the next race was so far away, but possibly because Moto GP is doing a double header in Qatar already. There is a pretty interesting season on the horizon there it seems, even moreso if Marquez comes back, those Ducatis are beasts on the straights again.

I wish there was a way F1 could learn from Moto GP's track boundary implementation, but they have options with the bikes that F1 doesn't. I don't even really have a problem with how Race Direction has been implementing it, I just hate hearing people keep harping on them.

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26. "This season just got extra interesting"
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Mercedes about to be behind in driver and constructor standings for the first time since whenever. Feels like Germany '19 all over again. Only this time RB looks really strong.. I'm sure they are happy for the longer schedule now...

Lewis' slide reminded me of Seb's slide some years ago. Hopefully he won't suffer the same shell shock that Vettel seems to have had ever since his incident.

Russell definitely made contact with Bottas, but whether the Mercedes started to move right is unclear. Right now, George looks to be on the hook. Either way, nasty crash and horrible result for both teams.

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27. "Fun race."
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>Mercedes about to be behind in driver and constructor
>standings for the first time since whenever.

Well, not quite.

>Lewis' slide reminded me of Seb's slide some years ago.
>Hopefully he won't suffer the same shell shock that Vettel
>seems to have had ever since his incident.

Lewis? Yeah, no.

>Russell definitely made contact with Bottas, but whether the
>Mercedes started to move right is unclear. Right now, George
>looks to be on the hook. Either way, nasty crash and horrible
>result for both teams.

Bottas drifted right. Ruseell overcompensated, but basically IMO that's on Bottas.

But yeah, gonna be an interesting year. Lots of different names/teams on the podium.

  

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28. "Bottas still had the line, and Russell had space"
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If you want to say it was a little risky on Bottas to move right, fine. But Russell still had more than enough space to move or back out. He wasn't squeezed into the grass. That overcompensation was on him.

Notice the pass Hamilton made on Norris in the same area with zero problems and more on the line for both drivers. Comes down to experience, which Russell still needs. Not to bag on him, as I think he's going to be an unbelievable talent and keep Mercedes in the hunt for years to come one either seat is available. But the crash, and confrontation with Bottas while still getting his wits about him in the car (though he did have enough awareness to flip the bird) wasn't George's greatest look.

Lewis though... bad mistake with the wall shunt, took whatever time he needed during the red flag, and absolutely locked in for the podium and fastest lap. That engine isn't slow, that car isn't slow, and Lewis sure as sh*t ain't slow. Managed to still keep the championship lead and, thanks to Perez crapping the bad, the constructor's lead.

Props to Max. He had a blazing start and never really looked back. Had the pit stop for Lewis gone better or if the shunt didn't happen he may not have had it so easily, but nobody at RB was complaining. After what Italy did to him last year this was redemption. That said, he's gonna need Lewis to have a 2016 style season if he wants the 'chip.

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Game: Like Gladys Knight.
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29. "Russell was making a risky move there in those conditions"
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which doesn't mean it wasn't bottas' fault for moving


but clearly russell is painting it as devious and personal

which bottas could argue against

except he did an entire DTS episode trying to make what was probably a mistake look like a devious and personal move

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30. "Not a thrilling race."
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Really have no thoughts beyond that.

  

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31. "Lewis: Still better."
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ready when verstappen bobbled, handled bottas with ease as usual.

it was a fun if uneventful race

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32. "RE: Lewis: Still better."
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It's always nice to watch Lewis take a handy win with some nice on-track passes, nice and calming after Imola. Seeing Verstappen lose fastest lap (and pole) to some deleted lap times was amusing too. But I guess nothing else really happened in the rest of the race.

If excitement is what someone wants, they really need to start watching Moto 3. I'm not even trying to push Moto GP anymore, these Moto 3 races are non-stop and this Pedro Acosta kid is an obnoxious rookie talent.

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33. "Shades of Hungary 2019 in this win"
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Going with a different pit strategy and having Hamilton run down Verstappen was another great strategy call on the Mercedes pit wall. There was really nothing RB could do at that point. Lewis was again locked in and went to work for a hard fought and well deserved win. He gotta work on those starts, though

Max had another lightning start, and survived the restart, but he never was really able to shake Hamilton in the early stint. I wonder if RB would think of hiring some of Petronas' strategists, as they seemed totally unprepared for the change in Mercedes' strategy. Then again, with Bottas hovering between P3 and P4 and Perez not up in the fight, it was probably damage limitation for RB. P2 is better than P3, especially when the points and cars are this close.

For anybody saying it's all about the car, not the driver, look no further than Bottas. The 3 podium drivers pulled out from the pack early and easy, but it was Lewis that was running down Max, while Bottas has trouble fighting back from Leclerc. Who knows, maybe he's still a little spooked from wiping out with Russell. Mildly disappointing on one hand. On the other hand, he's doing just what Mercedes needs him to do for the constructors and could still end up 2nd in the drivers (he's back in 3rd place now even with his DNF). Everybody wants to be the man, but being that well paid to play number 2 isn't a bad gig...

Quick thoughts
- Good result for Danny R with 6th. Maybe he'll get along with the McLaren quicker than his Renault days. Their car doesn't look slow...
- I need to check what happened to Perez. Not sure why he started 8. Good to get back to 5th, but not really helpful in the constructors points either. That RB is faster than the Ferrari, but he was 9s off Leclerc at the end. Go figure
- Good for Gasley getting a point even with a 5 sec penalty. Plucky lad, that one is
- Russell was in contention for his first points for Williams, but yet again, it was not to be. One day, George, one day
- Did Haas field a F2 car this season? Both drivers were 2 laps down. That's pretty bad, especially for a team that was in play for the midfield a few short years ago (though that may have been down to the 'stroker' engine Ferrari was running). Bring on '22?

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34. "Who says this?"
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>For anybody saying it's all about the car, not the driver,

  

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35. "as someone who dabbles in F1 I feel like I've heard that a lot"
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esp when Vettel was winning and Lewis wasnt. never really made sense to me either.

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36. "Well, it's both, more or less."
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A great driver can make a car a little bit better than it really is, but you can't win with a shit car.* But the best car can win without necessarily having the best driver. But not with a shit driver.

Lewis is the best driver in the best car. So he wins.

I think Max is just as fast as Lewis, but that RBR just ain't quite there yet.

*Except for Senna.

  

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38. "Little of both"
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There are still Hamilton naysayers that says he only wins because he has the fastest car. Now, rational people know he hasn't always had the fastest car per se in this run (2017 and 2018 would like a word), but there's still people that say Hamilton's wins are more up to the car he's in and not his skills as a driver. The notion of 'put another driver in the car and he'll do the same as Lewis' got more legs when Russell subbed for him and nearly won if not for pit crew incompetence.

Yes, best driver usually gets best car, and that's been the case here. But it's more than that. Lewis is just a more talented, more experienced driver than Max is, full stop. Max has tons of raw speed and potential, but he can't harness it like Lewis can at the moment

Say what you want about Rosberg, but he may have a point about Max now seeing what Lewis is about. This is the closest RB has been to Petronas since the turbo era began, and even with the areo changes giving Toto & Co some issues, the team and Hamilton are on top. While I don't think Max is going to break trying to beat Lewis like Nico did, I do think the is is the first real time Max has a legitimate look at what challenging Lewis is like.

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37. "that Lewis has had a pole in every single year he's been in F1"
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is unfathomable

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39. "Hot(ish) take: if he's not the GOAT, you racist"
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We're looking at 100+ poles/100+ wins/8 chips this year. All Schumacher's untouchable records broken. And he's still in top form. I don't want to hear eras. I don't want to hear competition. I don't want to hear how far ahead Petronas was with their power unit. At worst you have to say he's the most accomplished driver in F1 history. At best, who's gonna beat him in a season? Taking nothing from Fangio, Lauda, Senna, Prost, et al.

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42. "the record is unimpeachable"
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44. "He's won in every season he's competed in too right?"
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Which no one else has done. I'm kinda hoping whenever he does retire he makes sure it's before he doesn't win a race lol

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45. "yuuup"
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40. "How under appreciated is Hamilton?"
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41. "Mm...not very?"
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I mean, he's universally acknowledged as one of the best to ever do it. He's idolized all over the world. He has immense influence and respect in and out of the sport. And he's been knighted.

You think that's not enough?

  

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43. "he's the greatest and he's still doing it at the GOAT level"
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and I don't think that's widely known by people who don't follow F1

that said, iykyk

so not that much

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46. "Actually been thinking about this a lot the last few days."
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Dunno why.

But the first thing that occurs to me is that the US is an outlier in its appreciation of F1, and in the last 20 years, of motorsports generally. For instance, if you asked 100 random Americans in the street who Michael Schumacher is, how many would know? 1 or 2? And that's the guy who was without question the best of his era, and who drove for the most recognizable car brand in the world. And how many would know Senna? Mansell? Jackie Stewart? Jim Clark?

Americans don't know F1, though maybe Netflix will help change that. But motorsports across the board has also declined in mainstream popularity. I mean, is there a driver alive more underappreciated than Scott Dixon? And even NASCAR doesn't have the mass appeal anymore. People still know Petty and Earnhardt, but Jimmie Johnson? Just as many chips...

I hesitate to call Lewis the GOAT because I think the problem of comparing eras is even worse in racing than in other sports, and even in the same era, equipment differences complicate matters. For instance, up until the '80s, lots of drivers didn't even live long enough to enter the GOAT discussion. I mean, Jim Clark may well have been the greatest, but was killed at 32. How good could Francois Cevert or Jochin Rindt have been? Let alone how many more chips Senna would have won...

Anyway, in the US, Hamilton is underappreciated, but so is every great driver. Anywhere else in the world, I doubt he can walk a block without being mobbed by fans. Which is probably why he spends so much time in LA now.

  

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47. "I probably should have said "In the US""
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All of your points are very valid. I'm one of the few that follows motorcycle racing. Not as much US road racing anymore since MotoAmerica is a shell of what it use to be. That being said, I'd recommend taking the family to a race weekend. It's a fun time. My family loves going and they're not big into motorcycle racing.

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48. "The failure to create household names is a real problem..."
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...in all areas of the sport.

And yeah, I do want to see some two-wheel action. It's on the list.

  

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49. "Satisfying to see Merc botch a weekend."
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On the other hand, watching their pit crew strip the threads off a wheel axle was the only interesting part of the race. Ah, Monaco.

But Max is in the...ah...driver's seat, so that's pretty cool.

  

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50. "apparently the wheel is still on the car rn"
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https://www.racefans.net/2021/05/24/mercedes-still-unable-to-remove-wheel-from-bottas-car/

they gotta take it back to the factory to get it off.

I've never even heard of this happening

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51. "Yeah, I mean, cross-threading a nut ain't that uncommon."
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But that thing must have fused on there somehow. And weirdly it must have happened before the race, when they had plenty of time to put it on correctly, not during the rush of a pit stop.

New one for me too. See how bad that comes back to bite them in the constructor's race.

  

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52. "Petronas goes all out, win or lose"
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No half measures here....

Bottas hosed by no fault of his own, Hamilton never got right with the car. This was probably worse than Germany. Max and Christian are loving this

I hope they got this out of their system and come storming back. I don't think they are in danger of losing either chip in the long run, but I also don't want to see Lewis with a 2016 season either


On another note, that McLaren livery was everything. I hope we see it again this season. Easily the best looking car on the grid

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53. "Yeah, I didn't have a Perez/Vettel/Gasly podium on my bingo card."
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Pirelli got some explaining to do.

  

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54. "Two high speed blowouts is not a good look"
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Just added to the craziest race weekend of the season so far. Just...insane. But happy for all 3 podium finishers

I suppose Lewis wants to keep this championship interesting to the end...

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55. "Yeah, real pleased for Checo especially."
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That seat being about the worst job in F1 the last few years. But he did exactly what RBR needed and hired him to do. Massive constructor's points there.

Bottas, on the other hand, did not do what he needed to do. Can't figure that out. He's practically begging Russell to take his job now.

  

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56. "They gotta find a better French circuit."
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Better than that hellscape of a test track. No character, no landscape, no idea where you are on the track. Go back to Magny Cours or build a street circuit in Marseilles or something. Anything but.

Anyway, RBR outfoxed the Germans. Cool.

  

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57. "The most annoying part about that race (and the coverage)"
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is how they kept talking about pitting Bottas first while not being the lead Mercedes like that was the problem, when really if they wanted to avoid the undercut they could have just pitted the same lap as Verstappen (after Bottas pit). That whole chassis thing too, like there's an actual title fight going on, you don't need to fabricate drama between Hamilton and Bottas anymore. Hopefully Mercedes figure themselves out a bit for what is now a Red Bull ring doubleheader coming up.

Marc Marquez winning again since his injury was pretty big, it was at his best track, Sachschenring (11 wins in a row, has never lost a race there) so we'll see if he can keep up that form.

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58. "Talking points during race coverage weren't great last week"
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Hell of an undercut. Mercedes just got outthought last week, even if their car was (slightly) faster than RB. I feel Bottas' frustration though. Mercedes now has to have a strategy against 2 RB cars instead of just Max.

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59. "That was commanding."
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Title is Max's to lose, at this point.

  

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60. "Yeah, Mercedes got their asses kicked"
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Not sure if they were throwing in the towel early or not, but they were nowhere close. If this happens at Silverstone I'll worry.

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61. "Read something that they think they effed up the setup."
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See if that's true next week.

  

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62. "Mercedes best best might be to send some Big Beautiful Women"
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to Max's living quarters next race weekend, cuz that seemed his only weakness throughout the race. (lol sorry that's probably a bad BBW joke but it's the first thing I thought of both times he pointed it out on the radio, like he spotted one amongst the trees)

Could do with some interesting weather on a race weekend actually.

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63. "That was even more commanding."
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Penalties were some bullshit though. You try the outside, you take your chances. Need to sort that out ASAP.

  

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64. "This is still probably the most I've disliked watching someone win"
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as a rival. It's definitely affecting my 'enjoyment'.

Hamilton signed for two more years, Mercedes isn't far away and hopefully they plan for the changes really well again.

Yeah, I didn't really like most of the penalties, I think Perez deserved one of them, he did a bit much around turn 4 probably because of his experience with Norris. Still, these moments and all the annoying debate conversations that spawn as a result just remind me that Moto GP is superior.

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65. "Seven straight and you're upset they might not win an 8th?"
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Cmon.

  

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67. "eh it's not really like that"
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I've been a Lewis fan since the rookie year, but I never minded Kimi winning one cuz it was Kimi (I'd prefer it was in his Mclaren days). I felt bad for Massa that year in Brazil. I liked Vettel in his Red Bull years. I will always be a fan of Alonso at Renault, and I still root for Mclaren and would love seeing Norris and that car be at the very top. It might literally be Verstappen, and a 'dislike' I've generated for him even before he was really a rival but was just pissing people off with reckless passes. Like I'm still holding those grudges lol. I've never really developed a sports anti-fandom like this before so that's kind of what I mean, watching Hamilton lose like this is not feeling fun to me and it's like a new feeling. Like I want Montreal to win the Stanley Cup even though that's apparently sacrilege as a Toronto fan. Verstappen is my Montreal.

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68. "Max and Christian are the duo you love to hate. But they're good at it"
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Good in seeming like a$$holes, but good at running a team and being a singular talent.

I've got nothing against Max. Like him, actually, and have no problem with whatever attitude or vibe he gives off. He's a damn fast driver from th ejump, and you see serious progression year on year. He's going to win a chip, and soon. Now, if that comes at Hamilton's expense, I'm not gonna like that, honestly, as I've been the tank for Lewis from the off. But when that day comes, even if it's this year, I'll tip my hat to Max and enjoy his success.

Horner is slightly different. He's been great managing and nurturing Max's success over the years and making sure he's got a car around him. Every other driver not named Max? Not so much. He's quite a bit smarmier than, say, Totto, but they both play similar games and threats, so pick your poison. Horner has the team in the mix of the top 3 for most of if not all the V6 hybrid era, so he's doing something right

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70. "Yeah I really want Hamilton to get the 8th"
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and would prefer to get that out of the way this year lol Verstappen and Red Bull can go on a run after.

There is just something about the helplessness it seems watching Hamilton and Mercedes lately though compared to the start of the season, combined with the brake magic incident. I get that I probably enjoy watching Hamilton win easily in a different way. Hopefully there are some better races at the front at least soon between them again.

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66. "I didn't think it was bad when Lewis punted alex"
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bc exactly that, you know going outside is risky af, try that bullshit if you want to

a dude can stay on his line and take you out if you didn't pull off the move properly



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69. "It's a feast or famine move, for sure"
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Tough call for the FIA, but can't put it all on the stewarts for sure, as there are still instances where drivers blatantly won't give any room or run wide on purpose. Still, telemetry traces and camera footage be damned, every driver has to weigh risk and reward. If they don't like it, let 'em duke it out on parc ferme.

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71. "So like, Siliverstone Qualifying is about to start now"
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with the Sprint Race tomorrow. If you're not used to looking for this on a Friday afternoon. There was a large gap after practice

Do the Mercs need more practice time with their upgrades? Will they show up in the race?

Lots of special helmets here, and they revealed a 2022 car earlier.

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72. "I already don't like this."
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I just don't.

  

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73. "Ugh."
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74. "I'm happy, but not. This was weird"
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Let's get the big one out the way. I am glad Max is OK. That crash was scary. I do hope he has no lasting injuries once.

The crash: It's super hard to be objective on this one. Both sides dislike and distrust each other, and whether you're a RB or Petronas fan, Max or Lewis fan, nothing is going to change your mind on who's at fault or what the penalty should have been. I think it was a racing incident, but I'm an admitted Hamilton fan. RB fans may want to follow Marko's calls for a race ban for Hamilton, but that's not happening. Still, I understand them wanting blood, as Lewis gets the win, cuts the lead down to 8, and puts RB in a financial bind with that chassis no doubt a write off. As I'm typing I'm listening to Horner do everything he can to vilify Lewis' character and sportsmanship without getting fined. Should Lewis have pulled out in that corner? Eh... I think he was far enough alongside, but it was super risky. At the end of the day, this is going to be super scrutinized because all that's at stake. If the same incident happens between, say, Gasley and Russell, there's not nearly the hullabaloo. But if a title rival has an incident with the leading rival and takes the win, it never looks good. But you not about to paint Hamilton out as Chip Hicks...

More later.

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75. "RE: I'm happy, but not. This was weird"
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>Should Lewis have pulled
>out in that corner? Eh... I think he was far enough alongside,
>but it was super risky.

It wasn't a question of pulling out. It was a question of apexing the corner. Lewis chose to move off the ideal line and squeeze him wide. That's not up for debate: that's what happened. How dirty a move you think that was is up to you.

  

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76. "Fair enough. And everyone will have an opinion on said move"
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>It wasn't a question of pulling out. It was a question of
>apexing the corner. Lewis chose to move off the ideal line and
>squeeze him wide. That's not up for debate: that's what
>happened. How dirty a move you think that was is up to you.

I'm not gonna call it all out dirty, and many a driver, Max included, have pulled similar moves to squeeze an opponent off and stay just on the side of the rules (or at least in that grey area where it's a judgment call). It was aggressive, maybe overly so, and Max got the worst of it. You hate to see it. But I'm not going to call Lewis a dirty driver or sore loser (thanks Albon) or call for a ban either. I don't think he intentionally sent Max into the wall, as they were both going at it hard that opening lap. Didn't like it though

Beyond that, Lewis had to drive his nuts off to get the win. It was made a bit easier with Lando getting screwed in the pits (Bottas knows that pain many times over) and LeClerc having drivetrain issues. Still, he had to close down 10 seconds and managed to do it.

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77. "Well, two things."
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First, it wasn't out and out dirty. It was dirty-ish. Reminded me of something Schumacher might do. Kind of thing that wins races, and championships, but not friends.

Second, while squeezing someone wide happens all the time, the problem is doing it at that corner. It's one thing to do it turn one in Austria or somewhere, but Copse is like 160 mph.

So I don't agree with Marko and/or Horner that it warrants a race ban, but it was a nasty move, and if I'm RBR, then I'm thinking that if that's where Lewis has drawn the rules of engagement, then he probably needs to watch his back from here on out.

  

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78. "But, it's not like Max hasn't been doing the same this year"
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At least twice this year he's squeezed Hamilton wide on the first lap to get ahead, and Hamilton backed out to avoid the crash. So it's not like Lewis needs to watch his back, but more like neither is backing down or giving an inch.

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80. "alos, if it hadn't gone to a red flag"
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hamilton's race probably would've been fucked too, not to mention the risk that things just go a completely different way




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79. "a problem for max is that"
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it is very difficult to complain that so and so knew you would turn in here there or wherever

when you've moved like three times going into the turn

now, I'm not saying that lewis didn't pick his line and say "well either he's going to back off or he's going to get hit"

what I'm saying is when you're weaving back and forth into a corner and somebody hits you, you might've not left them with many options so don't come crying to me when they pick the one that puts you in the wall.

I wouldn't have penalized lewis for it but I don't think it's an outrageous penalty either, he wasn't ahead. that he wasn't on the absolute inside is not the negative part, what I think he can't argue against is that a. he wasn't in front and b. the line he took meant they would hit, so it is more his responsibility as the car coming from behind



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81. "RE: a problem for max is that"
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>the line he took meant they would hit, so it is more his
>responsibility as the car coming from behind

Yeah, true. He took a line that absolutely forced the issue, right then and there, because there was no way for Max to stay that wide and still make the whole sequence of corners without slowing way down and losing the place. So while the outcome of the collision isn't and isn't supposed to be factored into determining a penalty, as a fan it's hard for me to separate the two, because a 51G impact...man.

Yesterday I really wanted to put my fist into Hamilton's jaw, but I've calmed down a bit. Still think it was a really shitty place on the track to do that, but people who know a lot more about racing than I do don't think it was that bad, so I'll defer to them.

  

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82. "You can penalize the action, not the result"
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So, if it were a 10G crash it wouldn't have been as bad and people wouldn't be as pissed? Say Max just spun and dropped 10 places. Would have been the same penalty. You start looking at the results of the incident and making penalties from that, and you open up a whole can of worms that's totally subjective and will never get right.

Yes, the crash was bad. But people are making it that either Lewis did it on purpose (no) or that he outright tried to kill Max (no). Horner and Marko putting out there the impact was 51G and Lewis sent Max to the hospital (some spin, as it was for precautionary checks) was dangerous and irresponsible just made it much worse (but I get it, that's their driver and that's their job). None of that is the case. This is racing, and two of the best drivers on the grid are weaving around each other at 150+ just to get ahead of each other. Somebody is gonna lose. This time it was Max. Next time, could be Lewis. If that happens, I better see that same energy from everyone vilifying Hamilton.

On the flip, now you have the expected waves of blatantly racist comments online about Lewis, which have never stopped. Mods were at a fever pitch removing comments and threads from media posts. That is always going to be that BS.

However you feel about the whole situation and either driver, it's a mess, and will be a metric fuckton of scuttlebutt the next 2 weeks.

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83. "That's exactly what I just wrote."
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RIF

  

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84. "Who's seat should Russell want, Lewis' or Valtteri's?"
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I'm sure Petronas has made a decision that may or may not be announced during the summer break, but which do you think would benefit everyone in the long term?

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85. "I mean, Lewis is confirmed right?"
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He can only take Valterri's next year. From a Merc perspective, I remember thinking after the Bahrain race, filling Hamilton's spot with Russell just to have Bottas continue to be the perfect second driver would be gold for them if Russell really delivered on his potential. But a Lewis/Russell setup could be a risky but necessary affair, especially if Russell can possibly outdo Hamilton and he's not prepared to be treated like a #2 driver and Red Bull/Verstappen don't let up. Russell should want to take Bottas' seat and beat both Hamilton and Verstappen if his goal is to prove he's that good right now.

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86. "Is that what the team wants/needs?"
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Lewis is in for 2 years, I believe. Right now, Bottas is doing just what they need him to do, be a consistent #2 and cause no huge waves. Bring Russell along too soon and you very well could end up with a RB situation like Ver/Ric (or hell, Ham/Ros). Lewis is going to fall off pace at some point, but not quite at the moment. But if Mercedes doesn't do something, they run the risk of losing him.

The wild card is the new car and regs. Nobody knows how they will run and who will get a handle on them. Make too many changes to the team at once and it can all go tits up pretty quickly

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87. "There's def a lot at play there"
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and I have no idea how these contracts play out. How much sway does Russell have trying to renew right now? and where else could he go? it's not like there's a lot of room in other teams right now, and I can't see Bottas swapping to Williams. Apparently in some interview he stated he hasn't ruled out rallying, maybe he's already seeing what's coming and is planning a Kimi-like break.

Is there even a Summer break this year?

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89. "f1 contracts aren't like other sports because"
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it's just the two parties, it's not like through the league and the union and free agency.

if one (or usually both) sides want out of a deal, it's gonna be gotten out of one way or another

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88. "I don't think there's a scenario where bottas is there that much longer"
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being a good #2 to lewis doesn't mean he'd be good in that role with Russell, assuming lewis leaves after another year or two which he might not do



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