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"Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)"


  

          

This is arguably the toughest year I can remember to judge
MVP?
COY?
ROY?
Comeback POY?
Offensive-Defensive players?

Let's lighten up this black Monday (although for some reason this black monday feels pretty funny)

  

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RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)
Dec 31st 2012
1
AP not winning MVP would be pathetic
Dec 31st 2012
2
Why is Frazier so desrving of COY if AD is doing all the work???
Dec 31st 2012
3
Weird how no one said that about Belichek
Dec 31st 2012
7
My point is, you can't have it both ways. The same guys arguing
Dec 31st 2012
11
This is embarrassing and I'm offended as a black man.
Dec 31st 2012
12
      You're making an issue over nothing.
Dec 31st 2012
17
because that didn't happen?
Dec 31st 2012
13
      Exactly. Brady won MVP in 2007 and 2010
Dec 31st 2012
14
You Can Say That About a TON of Coaches
Dec 31st 2012
8
I'm not debating those guys are better than Frazier
Dec 31st 2012
20
RE: Why is Frazier so desrving of COY if AD is doing all the work???
Jan 01st 2013
32
MVP should be Peterson, but will likely be Manning.
Dec 31st 2012
4
RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)
Dec 31st 2012
5
What is the RGIII over Russell Wilson argument?
Dec 31st 2012
6
Side-by-side stat comparison of the two:
Dec 31st 2012
9
Nah, RG3 played fewer games, that has to factor in.
Dec 31st 2012
10
      System doesn't matter if the end results play out
Dec 31st 2012
15
           Thing is, I'm not convinced RG3's stats are better.
Dec 31st 2012
19
                what do you need to convince you?
Dec 31st 2012
23
                     Post 27 says RG3 "fathered Russell Wilson's style"
Jan 01st 2013
29
                          how does dumbassery detract from his accomplishments?
Jan 01st 2013
34
                               When people say )RG3 invented the zone read....."
Jan 02nd 2013
36
                                    by irrational, good sir, could you mean this?
Jan 03rd 2013
40
                                         The RGIII machine is QUICKLY becoming the most annoying in OKS
Jan 03rd 2013
41
                                              Dude was just so dismissive and disrespectful of ANY opposing view
Jan 03rd 2013
42
I'm going to take this from another angle
Jan 01st 2013
27
      Uhh. Cam Newton's whole system was Read-Option LAST YEAR.
Jan 01st 2013
28
           lol :)
Jan 01st 2013
31
                Einstein, you said RG3 invented the spread option in the NFL
Jan 02nd 2013
35
                     Wilson's own coach admits that he studied RG3 in the pros to help RW
Jan 03rd 2013
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                          Hell, Tim Tebow ran a zone read option in Denver last year.
Jan 03rd 2013
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Right here:
Dec 31st 2012
16
out of watt/von miller/aldon smith....
Dec 31st 2012
18
I'll second your choices
Dec 31st 2012
21
RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)
Dec 31st 2012
22
how does Wilson win overall if RG3 wins OROY?
Dec 31st 2012
24
      They can do that to recognize the accomplishments.
Dec 31st 2012
25
      They can do that to recognize the accomplishments.
Dec 31st 2012
26
Btw, I'm peepin y'al not giving Tom Brady any MVP love
Jan 01st 2013
30
Executive of the Year: Seattle GM John Schneider
Jan 01st 2013
33
i'm being a homer, but Bobby Wagner is RDPOY.
Jan 03rd 2013
37
Russell Wilson is ROY.
Jan 03rd 2013
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1. "RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)"
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>This is arguably the toughest year I can remember to judge
>MVP?

MVPeterson

>COY?

Leslie Frazier

>ROY?

RGIII, tho i really want Wilson to get it.

>Comeback POY?

Peyton

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2. "AP not winning MVP would be pathetic "
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3. "Why is Frazier so desrving of COY if AD is doing all the work???"
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I like Frazier a lot - especially given that he's a former Eagle, but I'm not sold on him being the COY when that team's success is so dependent on one individual player.

>This is arguably the toughest year I can remember to judge
>MVP?
It's extremely hard to pick between Adrian Peterson and Peyton Manning. Honestly, I'd split it between them ala Favre/Sanders back in the day.

>COY?

Another tough one. Honestly, I like what Marvin Lewis has done a lot. He done a phenomenal job of developing young guys who many discarded as being headcases/overrated (Carlos Dunlap, Vontaze Burfinct, Geno Atkins). Those guys mentioned are playing outstanding football. Marvin's gotten a lot out of castaway aging vets like Pacman Jones and Terrence Newman. If you look at the roster on paper, he's done an exceptional job of getting the most out of his players.

>ROY?
Just want to give a shout out to some exceptional rookies - LB Bobby Wagner (arguably playing LB as good as anyone in the NFL), LB Lavonte David, MLB Luke Keuchly, S Harrison Smith, CB Casey Hayward, RB Dough Martin and Alfred Morris, OL Matt Kalil and then obviously the trio of outstanding QBs. I'm pretty torn between Russell Wilson and RGIII. RGIII might throw for more yards and make more spectacular plays, but what I love about Russell Wilson is his effectiveness in the redzone.

Very, very tough choice, but I'm rolling with RGIII.

>Comeback POY?
Obviously Peyton Manning

>Offensive-Defensive players?
Offensive Player of the year: Adrian Peterson

Defensive Player of the year: tough choice for me, but I give JJ Watt the slight edge over Von Miller.

>Let's lighten up this black Monday (although for some reason
>this black monday feels pretty funny)

  

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7. "Weird how no one said that about Belichek"
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Those years when Brady was doing all the work

Do remember that Belichek is a defensive coach and
the Patriot defense has been ass like the last 5 years.



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11. "My point is, you can't have it both ways. The same guys arguing"
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that Frazier is the lock for COY are also some of the same folks saying that Adrian Peterson is sole reason for the Vikes success this year.

Answer this question: If you took Adrian Peterson off the Vikes, how good would they have been this year?

That's not knock on Frazier. Again, I like him. He's a former Eagles coach. I would love to see him get COY. I just think there are some more deserving coaches who are getting more out of their team. Like I posted, I think Marvin Lewis as done the best job as head coach this year. But again, I wouldn't be mad if Frazier won COY.

  

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12. "This is embarrassing and I'm offended as a black man. "
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>that Frazier is the lock for COY are also some of the same
>folks saying that Adrian Peterson is sole reason for the Vikes
>success this year.

This racial double standard is honestly getting on my nerves.

If you cannot fairly evaluate coaches and players without
diminishing contributions due to blackness, I'm going to
forced to call you a dick breathed nigga with a big forehead.

Because everybody fucking knows that:

Belichek won coach of the year in 2007.

Brady won MVP in 2007.

Belichek won coach of the year in 2010

Brady won MVP in 2010.


But magically, this is only an issue in 2012.


I'm disgusted.


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17. "You're making an issue over nothing. "
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All that typing you did...for what? Do you know my opinions on Bilicheck or the Patriots?

You didn't even address 90% of what I typed bc all you seem to care about is controversial topics you can use for an agenda. No real actual discussion of football, but rather sensational bullshit to push your agendas.

  

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13. "because that didn't happen?"
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he's been COY 3 times.

Belichick won in 2003 when they won the super bowl before Brady became superhuman and when the def >>>> the off.

Then he won in 2007 for 16-0.

Then he won in 2010 for 14-2 after trading Randy Moss during the season.

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14. "Exactly. Brady won MVP in 2007 and 2010"
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>he's been COY 3 times.
>
>Belichick won in 2003 when they won the super bowl before
>Brady became superhuman and when the def >>>> the off.
>
>Then he won in 2007 for 16-0.
>
>Then he won in 2010 for 14-2 after trading Randy Moss during
>the season.
>

That's my point

Nobody complained about the coach being coach of the
year AND the QB being MVP

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8. "You Can Say That About a TON of Coaches"
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>I like Frazier a lot - especially given that he's a former
>Eagle, but I'm not sold on him being the COY when that team's
>success is so dependent on one individual player.
If that's the case, Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Belicheck or John Fox should NEVER win it, or even be up for discussion.

  

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20. "I'm not debating those guys are better than Frazier "
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(I even pointed out I wouldn't be upset if Frazier gets it because he is definitely in the discussion). I never said any of those guys you mentioned should win the COY so I'm not sure why you brought them up. And since you mentioned them, a couple of tidbits:

John Fox managed to almost win a SB and enjoy a ton of success with Delhomme as his QB.
McCarthy transformed GB into an offensive juggernaut and managed to make Mike Flynn look like a mutli-million dollar QB
Sean Peyton looking better and better given the Saints abysmal year with a healthy Drew Brees at that

Again, some of you guys are taking this too serious. I'm cool with Frazier - I wish the Eagles could get him back. I just think Marvin's done more with less imo.

EDIT: Just to add. You're really twisting my words bc I never said Frazier should be excluded or not deserving of the award. I just posed a question of how deserving he is of the award given how much of his team's success is dependent on one guy. Yes, you could say the same about several other coach/superstar combos in the NFL. I get that totally.

  

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32. "RE: Why is Frazier so desrving of COY if AD is doing all the work???"
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>>ROY?
>Just want to give a shout out to some exceptional rookies - LB
>Bobby Wagner (arguably playing LB as good as anyone in the
>NFL), LB Lavonte David, MLB Luke Keuchly, S Harrison Smith, CB
>Casey Hayward, RB Dough Martin and Alfred Morris, OL Matt
>Kalil and then obviously the trio of outstanding QBs. I'm
>pretty torn between Russell Wilson and RGIII. RGIII might
>throw for more yards and make more spectacular plays, but what
>I love about Russell Wilson is his effectiveness in the
>redzone.


There were some great darkhorses in the ROY race 2012, Martin and Morris among them. I would have chosen Morris because he set the franchise single-season rushing record.

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4. "MVP should be Peterson, but will likely be Manning."
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Coach of the Year: Mike Shanahan.
Rookie of the Year: Robert Griffin III.
Comeback should be whoever doesn't win MVP between AD and Peyton, lol.
Offensive: same as Comeback.
Defensive: JJ Watt.

^^^ both of these got locked up for me yesterday

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5. "RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)"
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>MVP?

I think it'll be a close vote and Peterson edges Peyton out

>COY?

I'm all for Marv, and he'll be a darkhorse to win it, but I'd roll with Arians if an interim can receive votes

>ROY?

RGIII

>Comeback POY?

Buick and Papa John's spokes person

>Offensive-Defensive players?

another one for All Day and for Defense Aldon Smith

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>Let's lighten up this black Monday (although for some reason
>this black monday feels pretty funny)

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6. "What is the RGIII over Russell Wilson argument? "
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Less turnovers?

Ok.

But Russell Wilson now has the rookie touchdown record. Had to
throw the ball down the field more, many more big dick throws.

Both have excellent running backs.

The only difference is the Redsk*ns fanbase is just so awesome
and rabid and eager for a great QB, which fed the hype.

Wilson really should win it.

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9. "Side-by-side stat comparison of the two:"
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RGIII:
258-393, 65.6%, 3200 yds, 8.1 yds per attempt, 213.3 ypg, 20 TDs, 5 INTs, 47 passes 20+ yds, 6 passes 40+ yds, 102.4 QB rating, 815 rushing yds, 6.8 ypc, 7 TDs

Russell:
252-393, 64.1%, 7.9 yds per attempt, 194.9 ypg, 26 TDs, 10 INTs, 42 passes 20+ yds, 11 passes 40+ yds, 100 QB rating, 489 rushing yds, 5.2 ypc, 4 TDs

I think it's close with just passing yards, with RGIII at a hair-width overall advantage, but the rushing yards give it to RGIII, in my opinion.

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10. "Nah, RG3 played fewer games, that has to factor in. "
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>I think it's close with just passing yards, with RGIII at a
>hair-width overall advantage, but the rushing yards give it to
>RGIII, in my opinion.

Kurt Cousins balling out when RG3 was out sort of tips us off
that it might also be the system

Also, let's remember that the whole Redsk*ns system was
in place to maximize RG3's skill set

Russel 3X had to STEAL the job from someone else in training
camp. HE HAD TO ADJUST to the system. The system changed
as the season progressed, which further shows how much
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15. "System doesn't matter if the end results play out"
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Griff's stats are slightly better than Wilson, but he has more running yards.

I know your agenda is that Griff isn't that important but you're letting that agenda blind you. As much as Griff's success is set up by Morris, First Round Talent Al's success is equally set up by Griff. Griff is the ROY to me, but i'm biased as a Skins fan and i'm ok with with that.

I love Wilson and have been riding for that dude since he was at NC state so if he wins I wouldn't be mad (as long as its not LUCK).

You point to Cousins' one game and say oh look they had success even when RG wasn't there, but dude has killed all year long. Broke the rookie rushing record for a qb, and won a division title in his first year. This team is built around him and his skillset, he's performed all year and he's won.



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19. "Thing is, I'm not convinced RG3's stats are better. "
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Y'all just acting like its a slam dunk that RG3s stats are
better

That isn't true

RG's biggest lead over Russell 3X is in the hype category

His performance advantage is marginal at best

But his hype advantage is insurmountable

Poor Russell 3X, still overcoming doubters


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23. "what do you need to convince you?"
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the stats are there. you talk about more big throws-- RG3 has more 20+ yd throws.
Wilson played one more game and has less yds passing and rushing.

youre using RG3's hype as Wilson's advantage, and it isnt.

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29. "Post 27 says RG3 "fathered Russell Wilson's style""
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Literally someone is making that argument

One of the dumbest arguments I've ever read

It proves my point

The pro-RG3 hype is completely irrational and out
of control and you cannot reason with these people




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34. "how does dumbassery detract from his accomplishments?"
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36. "When people say )RG3 invented the zone read....." "
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...it tips me off that RG3 fans are dumb, don't
wanna have a real discussion

That's what I'm saying


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40. "by irrational, good sir, could you mean this?"
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>
>...it tips me off that RG3 fans are dumb, don't
>wanna have a real discussion
>
>That's what I'm saying


http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2097576&mesg_id=2097576&page=2#2097621

  

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41. "The RGIII machine is QUICKLY becoming the most annoying in OKS"
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>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2097576&mesg_id=2097576&page=2#2097621


Overall, I RESPECT REDSK*NS fans

They been VERRRY supportive of their teams and
they DESERVE success

(compare them the last few years the Skins been bad to
how Eagles fans this year when their team sucked..
night and day....Skins fans good)

I mean that.

But this shit here is damn near OUTTA CONTROL ALREADY!!!




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42. "Dude was just so dismissive and disrespectful of ANY opposing view"
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>
>>http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2097576&mesg_id=2097576&page=2#2097621
>
>
>Overall, I RESPECT REDSK*NS fans
>
>They been VERRRY supportive of their teams and
>they DESERVE success
>
>(compare them the last few years the Skins been bad to
>how Eagles fans this year when their team sucked..
>night and day....Skins fans good)
>
>I mean that.
>
>But this shit here is damn near OUTTA CONTROL ALREADY!!!

Like Russ is out there having a "nice season" and patting his head and shit.

Those type of attitudes are major reason why people starting rooting against an athlete for no reason at all connected to the athlete himself.

  

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27. "I'm going to take this from another angle"
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The race is basically a dead heat. Some could argue RG3, some could argue Wilson, and both would have at least some good points. So we're essentially looking for tie breakers, right? So really, the question is which tie breaker is most convincing.

Here is the ultimate tie breaker -

RG3 basically fathered Russel's style. And I don't mean any disrespect to Russell because he is completely phenomenal and absolutely on RG3's level. But until his coaches started sprinkling in a little RG3 into his playbook, Wilson was not even on the OROY radar. Without RG3, Wilson is not in the discussion. Without Wilson, RG3 is having the exact same year he already had.

RG3 exploded onto the scene with the help of Kyle Shanahan's pistol zone-read scheme. And by mid-season, some of the most balanced and successful offenses in the league were featuring it heavily. San Fran is using the pistol. Washington is using the pistol. And, yes, Seattle is running the pistol now too. Read:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/08/pete-carroll-draws-inspiration-from-rg3-redskins/

"The Seahawks were converting just 28-percent of their third down opportunities for the season and quarterback Russell Wilson had just thrown three interceptions in a 19-13 loss to the Rams. Wilson and the Seattle passing game had yet to throw for more than 160 yards in a game and Seattle had failed to score more than 20 points in three of their first four games."

Ouch. But don't worry, RG3 is here to save your OROY hopes, Russy -

"In the weeks since, Seattle has added more read-option to their offense and Wilson’s productivity has taken sizable steps forward. Wilson has thrown for nine touchdowns with just four interceptions over the last five games and has three games with a passer rating of 96.8 or better. Success getting the ball in the end zone has improved as well as the Seahawks have scored touchdowns on six of their last eight red zone possessions.

"“It was a good move for me and it’s helped up a little bit,” Carroll said. “I was influenced a little bit more than I thought when I first looked at. You see some of our stuff coming to life and it’s helping us.”"

But I'm not going to stop there.

RG3 didn't just father Russ' style. By doing so, he convinced a lot of analysts that the pistol and zone read are actually legitimate staples in future NFL offenses. Analysts are basically saying that the pistol offense, with the right personnel (i.e. an athletic but accurate QB and a RB who can do damage) is essentially unstoppable. This is now a legitimate part of the future of the NFL.

Shit, you could argue that RG3 ended Alex Smith's career. You think Kaepernick is keeping the starting job without a 2 month track record of the pistol having success in the NFL? CK was a pistol QB in college - you don't think Harbaugh was eventually going to go in that direction, and the proof on the field provided by RG3 ultimately sped that decision up by half a season or more?

Russell Wilson is an awesome QB and probably my second favorite in the league behind RG3 (and that is strictly because I am a Skins fan - if I were unbiased I would probably be pulling for the undersized late-rounder too). But RG3's performance didn't just end with what he did on the field. His success influenced the entire league, and is likely a big reason that Wilson turned his season around in the first place.

  

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28. "Uhh. Cam Newton's whole system was Read-Option LAST YEAR. "
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And HIS success is what made people realize you
could apply it successfully to rookie QBs in the
NFL.

Next.

New excuse.

Oh and the Redskins sucked dogshit about 9 games.

Looks like BOTH the Seahawks AND Sk*ns improved the
second half of the season.

  

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31. "lol :)"
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>And HIS success is what made people realize you
>could apply it successfully to rookie QBs in the
>NFL
>
>Next.
>
>New excuse.

Damn dude, your so overprotective of Cam that you are bringing him into conversations where he is not even relevant. Cam is a great QB. How exactly is he relevant in a conversation about Russell Wilson's offense using the pistol formation?

What is it about this photo that gets you frothing at the mouth, reaching for your Cam Newton action figure?

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1906901/1.png

Cam Newton can influence Wilson all he wants. The fact of the matter is RG3 influenced Wilson as well, and in a direct competition that counts for something. I don't see any evidence of the Redskins incorporating anything from the Seahawks' offense into their own.

Read this headline. God damn.

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2012/11/08/seahawks-coach-pete-carroll-sees-offensive-growth-after-study-griffin-redskins/

>Oh and the Redskins sucked dogshit about 9 games.
>
>Looks like BOTH the Seahawks AND Sk*ns improved the
>second half of the season.
>

Please watch actual games before posting.

Points Per Game During Redskins "Dog Shit" 9 Games: 25.1
Seattle's Points Per Game For Entire Year: 25.8

The Skins' turnaround was due more to the defense improving from an abysmal 27 points given up per game to a respectable 20 points per game. The offense was always above average - to - outstanding. I guess Griffin should have played safety as well?

What's your next excuse. We've gone through the Kirk Cousins, the Alfred Morris, and now the Cam Newton (???) arguments. What else you got?

  

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35. "Einstein, you said RG3 invented the spread option in the NFL"
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Literally Cam Newton JUST USED IT LAST YEAR

As in, JUST LAST YEAR

THAT is why it has been replicated

To give RG3 credit for Russell 3X's success is
simply asinine and disrespectful

  

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38. "Wilson's own coach admits that he studied RG3 in the pros to help RW"
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Wilson's coach doesn't seem to be bringing Cam Newton into this discussion...why do you?

  

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39. "Hell, Tim Tebow ran a zone read option in Denver last year. "
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>Wilson's coach doesn't seem to be bringing Cam Newton into
>this discussion...why do you?

To suggest that Robert Griffin III "fathered" Russell
Wilson's style is the most absurd rookie of the year
argument I've ever heard. Its embarrassing and is exactly
what I mean when I talk about RGIII's hype machine being
too much to handle.

If you're going to make an RGIII argument, make one.

Don't insult my intelligence.

  

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16. "Right here:"
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Mon Dec-31-12 04:27 PM by Tiger Woods

  

          

MVP: All-Day, easily

Coach: Bruce Arians (this wont happen but it really should)

Rookie: RGIII

Comeback: Peyton

Defensive Player: JJ Watt

Offensive: Tom Brady

  

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18. "out of watt/von miller/aldon smith...."
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>Defensive Player: JJ Watt

...it was smith's to lose, or at least he had the edge. but dude hasn't gotten a single sack since justin smith went down three weeks ago.

so yeah it probably goes to watt.

  

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21. "I'll second your choices"
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i cant be bothered to look em up but coach of the year should be whoever has the highest average defence and offense rankings (with wins as a tie break) but arians works for me too.

  

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22. "RE: Who's Getting Hardware? (NFL Awards)"
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>This is arguably the toughest year I can remember to judge
>MVP?
All Day. He convinced me on Sunday.

>COY?
Bruce Arians...tough one really. A lot of debate here.
>ROY?
Overall: Russell Wilson
Offensive: RG3
Defensive: Luke Kuechly

>Comeback POY?
Thomas Davis. I know Peyton or AD is gonna win it but Davis is the first player in NFL History to tear his ACL three times in the same knee and play the full season. And he had a pretty good year.

>Offensive-Defensive players?
Offensive: Peyton Manning
Defensive: JJ Watt
>
>Let's lighten up this black Monday (although for some reason
>this black monday feels pretty funny)

  

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24. "how does Wilson win overall if RG3 wins OROY?"
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is that even possible?

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Dre makes no apologies for his own eccentricities. “I was young, and searching, trying to find myself,” he says. “Never did.”-- Andre B

  

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25. "They can do that to recognize the accomplishments. "
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That happens more often for MVP and OPOY than anything else.

  

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26. "They can do that to recognize the accomplishments. "
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That happens more often for MVP and OPOY than anything else.

  

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30. "Btw, I'm peepin y'al not giving Tom Brady any MVP love"
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He gonna use that, get an EXTRA SPECIAL hairstyle
just for the playoffs and make y'all mad

Watch

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33. "Executive of the Year: Seattle GM John Schneider"
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Russell Wilson has been fantastic, equaling some of Peyton Manning's records as a rookie. he took a chance on Bruce Irvin, and smartly used him as a package player to rack up eight sacks. Bobby Wagner is a DROY candidate. he made mostly smart choices in FA (keeping Red Bryant and signing Jason Jones), while his cheap acquisitions from 2011 have blossomed into stars (Richard Sherman, Brandon Browner).

Colts' GM Ryan Grigson is runner-up.

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37. "i'm being a homer, but Bobby Wagner is RDPOY."
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2nd in tackles for a rook (team leader and broke the team record for a rook).

calls the shots for the #1 defense in the NFL as a rook.

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43. "Russell Wilson is ROY."
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>MVP?

AP

>COY?

Marvin Lewis

>ROY?

Russell Wilson

>Comeback POY?

Peyton Manning

OPOY

Alfred Morris

DPOY

Vontaze Burlict (SP)

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