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bwood
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"The Falcon and The Winter Solider"


  

          

Trailer drops tonight and I can't wait.

This and The Eternals are the two Marvel things I'm looking forward to the most.

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they didnt show much. is that vision/witch show a sitcom? shit was wei...
Feb 03rd 2020
1
Rumor is that the story (possible spoilers w/ a load of grains of salt)
Feb 04th 2020
2
      ok thanks. salute to them if they can pull that off.
Feb 05th 2020
3
      They *are* pulling it off.
Feb 08th 2021
9
      If that's the case then Disney isn't playing
Feb 05th 2020
4
I hate to say it
Feb 05th 2020
5
I thought that but then they got the X-Men
Feb 05th 2020
6
Not letting Hulk get some getback was a huge flaw, IMO
Feb 08th 2021
8
The ending of this last WandaVision ep kind of did top that
Feb 08th 2021
10
Not me. Im enjoying
Feb 09th 2021
14
Super Bowl trailer
Feb 07th 2021
7
I'm intrigued
Feb 08th 2021
11
I mean, after WV, I’m like, do whateverthefuck.
Feb 08th 2021
12
yup. I watch the trailer and I'm like idk about this
Feb 09th 2021
13
      Marvel Phase 4 slogan: Fuckaround And Find Out
Apr 16th 2021
86
I'm wondering if this is a nod to The Falcon and The Snowman
Feb 12th 2021
15
Falcon side has a lot of heart. WS is just good TV.
Mar 19th 2021
16
First episode is half of the first act.
Mar 19th 2021
17
Good first ep
Mar 19th 2021
18
Marvel is changing tv & film...
Mar 19th 2021
19
RE: Marvel is changing tv & film...
Mar 20th 2021
22
Thumbs UP here!
Mar 19th 2021
20
RE: Thumbs UP here!
Mar 20th 2021
21
Man Marvel is so much better at telling a story in 30 mins than
Mar 22nd 2021
23
Personally loved the story DC told waaayyyy more
Mar 23rd 2021
24
      shouldn't it pack more in four hours?
Mar 23rd 2021
25
           Not to mention most of those characters should have solo movies
Mar 23rd 2021
26
                Facts...
Mar 26th 2021
31
                     Man of Steel is still the best movie they have
Mar 26th 2021
32
                          basically, Smallville.
Mar 28th 2021
44
It was aight for a start
Mar 24th 2021
27
Episode 2: The Star-Spangled Man
Mar 26th 2021
28
Hey it's Black Falcon!
Mar 26th 2021
29
      AFTER teasing Bucky about being White Panther.
Mar 26th 2021
30
End of Act 1.
Mar 26th 2021
33
... Pete Davidsons black twin brother...
Mar 27th 2021
34
RE: ... Pete Davidsons black twin brother...
Mar 27th 2021
35
Fuck you hit it right on the head
Mar 27th 2021
36
      well, i like Pete Davidson...
Mar 27th 2021
39
RE: End of Act 1.
Mar 27th 2021
37
*daps*
Mar 27th 2021
38
Wyatt Russell is "go away heat" for me.
Mar 27th 2021
40
Yep. You know that’s coming.
Mar 27th 2021
41
      halfway through episode 1 and...
Mar 27th 2021
42
Kinda whacky pacing, but thematically dope
Mar 28th 2021
43
My only legit gripe with Ep 2: That dumbass Semi fight scene...
Mar 28th 2021
45
im enjoying it
Mar 29th 2021
46
Well there's your John Wick wink-and-nods, LOL
Apr 02nd 2021
47
Madripoor and we get some good Zemo
Apr 02nd 2021
48
Madripoor looked how I imagined it would.
Apr 03rd 2021
50
First half of Act 2 is great.
Apr 02nd 2021
49
smiling.
Apr 04th 2021
51
Sucks that we only get 6 eps of this
Apr 07th 2021
52
Agreed, but leaving us wanting more is ultimately a good thing
Apr 07th 2021
53
Interesting video about the missing vaccine/pandemic plotline...
Apr 08th 2021
54
End of Act 2 and YO!
Apr 09th 2021
55
This show is so good...
Apr 09th 2021
56
Word to Jean-Ralphio
Apr 09th 2021
57
Hooooooooleeeee SHITE - top 5 MCU television episode.
Apr 09th 2021
58
When...
Apr 09th 2021
59
That shit was RUDE!
Apr 09th 2021
64
got his ass beat by black women in a fair one
Apr 09th 2021
60
As I stated before: Patience...
Apr 09th 2021
61
Another opinion: This shit suck REAL BAD
Apr 09th 2021
62
      RE: Another opinion: This shit suck REAL BAD
Apr 09th 2021
65
      lol I'm saying though
Apr 10th 2021
66
      It's pretty messy, but fun
Apr 11th 2021
69
      I have more of an issue with her murdering those people in
Apr 12th 2021
70
      RE: I have more of an issue with her murdering those people in
Apr 12th 2021
71
           Could be possible, I didn't read that from what happened though.
Apr 12th 2021
72
           My bad, you’re definitely right.
Apr 12th 2021
73
      I'm in this boat for the most part.
Apr 12th 2021
74
      It definitely seems like reshoots had a big impact on this...
Apr 13th 2021
75
           That would explain a lot of it.
Apr 21st 2021
96
      For that matter: Why they make a regular dude Cap anyways?
Apr 13th 2021
76
           They needed someone they could control
Apr 13th 2021
77
           Yeah. I initially though he’d just be a mascot,
Apr 13th 2021
78
That last shot was AMAZING
Apr 09th 2021
63
these motherfuckers can do movies or tv together, don't matter
Apr 10th 2021
67
these motherfuckers can do movies or tv together, don't matter
Apr 10th 2021
68
Im diggin the show overall. 1. Them broads had one objective and got di...
Apr 14th 2021
79
Start of Act 3. Tgis episode was beautiful.
Apr 16th 2021
80
homegirl just popped up in the mcu like some regular actress huh?
Apr 16th 2021
81
RE: homegirl just popped up in the mcu like some regular actress huh?
Apr 16th 2021
83
she came up in there talking big shit lol.
Apr 16th 2021
84
      lol.
Apr 16th 2021
85
      RE: she came up in there talking big shit lol.
Apr 17th 2021
87
Apparently, we were supposed to have seen her already.
Apr 18th 2021
91
      She was going to be in Black Widow
Apr 19th 2021
95
Took care of most of the loose threads I mentioned in post 78.
Apr 16th 2021
82
Hey fam. What's good?
Apr 17th 2021
88
Oh shit!!! What up!!!
Apr 18th 2021
90
This episode was everything I thought this show was going to be
Apr 17th 2021
89
at this point, the boat is a character..so i'm worried for it LOL
Apr 18th 2021
92
      That Pepper Potts can’t cut a check to fix that motherfucker infuriate...
Apr 19th 2021
93
           like i'm mad this show got me emotionally invested in a boat.
Apr 19th 2021
94
           It will be Sam's fault...his dumb ass walking around doing
Apr 22nd 2021
97
                That was funny.
Apr 22nd 2021
98
This show delivered
Apr 23rd 2021
99
Almost teared up a bit...
Apr 23rd 2021
100
Oh it fucking got me.
Apr 23rd 2021
109
Great ending
Apr 23rd 2021
102
      Secret Invasion I assume based on this weeks casting news
Apr 23rd 2021
103
      It has to be
Apr 23rd 2021
107
      The line "you have as much power as an insane alien or a moody teen"
Apr 23rd 2021
105
Rough start, amazing finish. Better than WV overall imo
Apr 23rd 2021
101
Great speech, meeeeeeeeeeeessy episode
Apr 23rd 2021
104
I'm with you on this. I was underwhelmed by the finale
Apr 23rd 2021
108
Good finale. Sam's new costume is hella cheesy
Apr 23rd 2021
106
Wait wait wait.... they think we give a fuck about Sharon??
Apr 23rd 2021
110
RE: Wait wait wait.... they think we give a fuck about Sharon??
Apr 24th 2021
111
      Right. Daredevil season 1 is right up there with my favorite
Apr 24th 2021
112
      I think at it’s core, DD is strong.
Apr 25th 2021
114
that costume is Power Rangers territory
Apr 24th 2021
113
I was getting mad A-Train vibes from that suit
Apr 25th 2021
115
Oooohhweee, that shield was rinky-dink as fuck.
Apr 25th 2021
116
The action in the finale was incomprehensible.
Apr 26th 2021
117
agreed.
Apr 27th 2021
118
The John Wick comparison was felt hardest in the John Wick episode
Apr 27th 2021
121
Sam needs the serum
Apr 27th 2021
119
Does he though?
Apr 27th 2021
120
      The serum absolutely made Steve who he is.
Apr 28th 2021
122
           Yep.
Apr 28th 2021
123
I watched this over a friend's house and he had me ROLLIN @ the end.
Apr 28th 2021
124
The Anthony Mackie episode of QuestLove Supreme is crazy
Apr 29th 2021
125
Good interview. Thanks for sharing.
Apr 30th 2021
127
This sums up the last episode flop very well
Apr 29th 2021
126

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1. "they didnt show much. is that vision/witch show a sitcom? shit was wei..."
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2. "Rumor is that the story (possible spoilers w/ a load of grains of salt)"
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...is Wanda is having psychic breaks and creating pocket universes that resemble TV shows. And somehow this ties into the next Dr. Strange movie.

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3. "ok thanks. salute to them if they can pull that off."
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9. "They *are* pulling it off. "
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Mon Feb-08-21 01:04 PM by Cold Truth

  

          

It's a slow burn, but that fire is getting HOT.

It's a mystery, and each week they pull off an increasingly thick layer.

They're halfway through the season, and they've already laid the foundation for multiple future characters and major story arcs. It's incredibly ambitious, and they're mostly nailing it.


Hell, we're halfway through the season and they just brought in

SERIOUS SPOILER













The Quicksilver from the X-Men shows.

  

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4. "If that's the case then Disney isn't playing"
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hopefully, they pull the whole thing off. I also hope they take it there and do a Full House. Either way, it looks intriguing.

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5. "I hate to say it"
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But I'm finally starting to feel the fatigue.

This is coming from a diehard comic book fan. And as a teenager Marvel Comics was my lifeline.

But seriously the last 30 minutes of Endgame gave me pretty much everything I could want from a superhero franchise. I feel like the moment Captain America grabbed Mjolnir, I was DONE. It might have forever ruined MCU movies for me. How do you even top that?

I guess I'll see Black Widow, The Eternals and whatever show is going to be on Disney+, but I can't say that any of it excites me. Thor 4 is way more promising, but mostly because of Taika Watiti--and even so, that doesn't come out until 2021 or 22. I feel like I ran a marathon and now I have to jog my ass home and immediately start training for another marathon.

If the DCEU hadn't shat the bed so quickly I would have been excited to see how that unfolded. I don't know. Maybe Birds of Prey will be a welcome change of pace.

Hopefully Kevin Feige foresaw fans feeling like this and is about to throw a curveball.

  

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6. "I thought that but then they got the X-Men"
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I’ll stick around to see what they do with the X-Men and Fantastic 4

  

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8. "Not letting Hulk get some getback was a huge flaw, IMO"
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and betrayed some of the essence of what made Avengers movies and the MCU as a whole, work so well.

I've gone ad nauseum about this in so many forums, but just saying, they left something on the table..

>But I'm finally starting to feel the fatigue.
>
>This is coming from a diehard comic book fan. And as a
>teenager Marvel Comics was my lifeline.
>
>But seriously the last 30 minutes of Endgame gave me pretty
>much everything I could want from a superhero franchise. I
>feel like the moment Captain America grabbed Mjolnir, I was
>DONE. It might have forever ruined MCU movies for me. How do
>you even top that?
>
>I guess I'll see Black Widow, The Eternals and whatever show
>is going to be on Disney+, but I can't say that any of it
>excites me. Thor 4 is way more promising, but mostly because
>of Taika Watiti--and even so, that doesn't come out until 2021
>or 22. I feel like I ran a marathon and now I have to jog my
>ass home and immediately start training for another marathon.
>
>
>If the DCEU hadn't shat the bed so quickly I would have been
>excited to see how that unfolded. I don't know. Maybe Birds of
>Prey will be a welcome change of pace.
>
>Hopefully Kevin Feige foresaw fans feeling like this and is
>about to throw a curveball.

  

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10. "The ending of this last WandaVision ep kind of did top that"
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>But seriously the last 30 minutes of Endgame gave me pretty
>much everything I could want from a superhero franchise. I
>feel like the moment Captain America grabbed Mjolnir, I was
>DONE. It might have forever ruined MCU movies for me. How do
>you even top that?

Well, considering who just showed up at the end of WandaVision, they kind of just did that.

There's still a ridiculous amount of material to mine going forward, especially with the Fox acquisition. We can get a proper Secret Wars.

We're getting Secret Invasion as a series.

We got Kang the Conqueror coming soon.

Fantastic 4 and Doctor Doom waiting in the wings.

The X-Men, which all by itself could prop up a massive cinematic universe, and would have if Fox knew what they were doing.

They'll fuck around and bring Onslaught to the big screen one day, which, while not terribly well received in the fandom, could make for a massive- and very good- Phase arc.

They've only scratched the surface. There's so much left.

  

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14. "Not me. Im enjoying"
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>But I'm finally starting to feel the fatigue.
>
>This is coming from a diehard comic book fan. And as a
>teenager Marvel Comics was my lifeline.
>
>But seriously the last 30 minutes of Endgame gave me pretty
>much everything I could want from a superhero franchise. I
>feel like the moment Captain America grabbed Mjolnir, I was
>DONE. It might have forever ruined MCU movies for me. How do
>you even top that?
>
>I guess I'll see Black Widow, The Eternals and whatever show
>is going to be on Disney+, but I can't say that any of it
>excites me. Thor 4 is way more promising, but mostly because
>of Taika Watiti--and even so, that doesn't come out until 2021
>or 22. I feel like I ran a marathon and now I have to jog my
>ass home and immediately start training for another marathon.
>
>
>If the DCEU hadn't shat the bed so quickly I would have been
>excited to see how that unfolded. I don't know. Maybe Birds of
>Prey will be a welcome change of pace.
>
>Hopefully Kevin Feige foresaw fans feeling like this and is
>about to throw a curveball.

  

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bwood
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7. "Super Bowl trailer "
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https://twitter.com/MarvelStudios/status/1358564490107899909?s=190

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11. "I'm intrigued"
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Marvel has stockpiled a ton of goodwill so far that while I may not know what they are planning on doing, I have faith it will work (for the most part). Pulling off Guardians was proof enough for me.

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12. "I mean, after WV, I’m like, do whateverthefuck."
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I’m along for the ride no matter what.

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13. "yup. I watch the trailer and I'm like idk about this"
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but with what they've pulled off so far, I'll watch the whole thing and find out.

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86. "Marvel Phase 4 slogan: Fuckaround And Find Out"
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15. "I'm wondering if this is a nod to The Falcon and The Snowman"
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and if Sam and Bucky get charged with treason against the US Govt for
not falling in line with this new Cap the powers that be are about to prop up.

  

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16. "Falcon side has a lot of heart. WS is just good TV."
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Obviously this is all gonna wrap up in some big action stuff, but it's good to see pretty early on that Black Panther isn't going to remain an anomaly.


Bummed I looked at the Wikipedia page to confirm if that was Edie Falco before the episode was over, spoiled the surprise at the end of the episode (assuming you don't read the press, I guess) and I'm already kind of bummed out this won't be longer. There's a little Watchmen/The Boys flavor in there as well.


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17. "First episode is half of the first act. "
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This feels like a movie and this episode was awesome as we got big Marvel action but also a lot of character work that's so well done and probably would've been cut if this was in theaters.

But yeah, this was the first half of the first act. Not complaining, just an observation.

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18. "Good first ep"
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I'm enjoying how these shows are giving us what's happening with the world and people post IW/EG. Its obvious these shows are the bridges between the phases, which I guess Agents of SHIELD was trying to do.

The stuff with Sam and his sister was great and I enjoyed the opening with Batroc. I'm always happy to see George St. Pierre, so it looks like he could possibly return and I like that they just aren't killing off folks.


The Buckey stuff was good and you know it's going to be some good action. Hopefully we get more WS flashbacks.


Like bwood said, it feels like the First Act and I for one enjoy the slow build that appears to be happening with the Marvel series.

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19. "Marvel is changing tv & film..."
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..its not just the character & plot development that's evolving.

*If you haven't watched Disney Gallery for the Mandalorian, do yourself a favor and check it out.

That said, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is showing balance/pacing in a way that most people have never seen on tv. Mackie & Stan are kicking ass in action AND acting, showing the range we've yet to see from them in film.



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22. "RE: Marvel is changing tv & film..."
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>..its not just the character & plot development that's
>evolving.
>
>*If you haven't watched Disney Gallery for the Mandalorian, do
>yourself a favor and check it out.
>
>That said, Falcon and the Winter Soldier is showing
>balance/pacing in a way that most people have never seen on
>tv. Mackie & Stan are kicking ass in action AND acting,
>showing the range we've yet to see from them in film.
>
>

^yep all of this. and yeah we REALLY dug that Disney Gallery stuff on the Mandalorian too.



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20. "Thumbs UP here!"
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Loved the action stuff AND the character stuff.
think im gonna enjoy Marvel TV more than Marvel movies because of that, they'll be able to have enough time to flesh out characters more, give them reasons and motivations which can the actions more impactful.


  

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21. "RE: Thumbs UP here!"
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"...which can make their action situations more impactful".

you've got good actors here, nice to finally give them a range of material that allows them to act! i've never cared for or appreciated either character HALF as much as i do now only after one episode (i mean, i always thought they were ok, but NOW i actually GIVE a sheet, ya know?)

very well done!

  

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23. "Man Marvel is so much better at telling a story in 30 mins than"
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DC is in 4hrs lol

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24. "Personally loved the story DC told waaayyyy more"
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not that the first episode wasn't a good story, but Snyder's movie packs way more in 4 hours than this could in 30 mins.

  

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25. "shouldn't it pack more in four hours?"
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it's *four hours*


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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26. "Not to mention most of those characters should have solo movies"
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Instead of each having intro sections within the 4hrs with everyone getting slow motion montages so its not wasted in ensemble movie. They rushed the Marvel blueprint they set just to catch up and compete


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31. "Facts..."
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..We could end all arguments about how whack DC's approach to their own cinematic universe with the simple fact that DC clearly microwaved their storyline to play catch up with Marvel.

Superman & Batman alone need years to develop & build a bond (not just desperation).


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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32. "Man of Steel is still the best movie they have"
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and even that i couldve used 2-3 movies. I wanted more of him hiding out and hearing stories about this mythical person who keeps showing up in places

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44. "basically, Smallville."
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*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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27. "It was aight for a start"
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the LSU question got a huge laugh out of me for several reasons

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28. "Episode 2: The Star-Spangled Man"
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Fun shit. Hit high points on characters, plot, comedy, all that. Like Wanda, I’m coming in with low expectations and no speculation.

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29. "Hey it's Black Falcon!"
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30. "AFTER teasing Bucky about being White Panther."
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33. "End of Act 1."
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Really loving it so far. Episode 2 had a lot of character work and plot. Plus bringing Isiash Bradley into it?!

Now onto Act 2. And fuck John Walker and the new negro.

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34. "... Pete Davidsons black twin brother..."
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>Really loving it so far. Episode 2 had a lot of character
>work and plot. Plus bringing Isiash Bradley into it?!
>
>Now onto Act 2. And fuck John Walker and the new negro.>

the whole ep i was like "why does Walkers buddy 'Hoskins/Battlestar" look so familiar to me?? Did i go to school with him or somethin?"

then it hit me...i swear in that ep, dude could be Pete Davidson's(from SNL) long lost black twin brother...

  

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35. "RE: ... Pete Davidsons black twin brother..."
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🤣🤣🤣

Oh shit...

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36. "Fuck you hit it right on the head "
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I was trying to figure out why I just didn't like dude and it's cause he's Black Pete Davidson.

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39. "well, i like Pete Davidson..."
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...so i didnt mean it as a knock to either at all, just an observation that, yeah they could be Bros' from other Mos'.

  

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37. "RE: End of Act 1."
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>Really loving it so far. Episode 2 had a lot of character
>work and plot. Plus bringing Isiash Bradley into it?!
The Isiah Bradley stuff was great and it looks like they're going to really get into race. That scene with Sam and Buck talking to the Psych, I felt like Sam wanted to say he didn't keep the shield because the world wouldn't accept a Black Cap and Isiah Bradley is proof of that.

>Now onto Act 2. And fuck John Walker and the new negro.
Russel is doing a good job of being punchable, US Agent was never really a well liked character in the comics so I'm enjoying hating him.

New negro, cuz is pure coonery.

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38. "*daps*"
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>>Really loving it so far. Episode 2 had a lot of character
>>work and plot. Plus bringing Isiash Bradley into it?!
>The Isiah Bradley stuff was great and it looks like they're
>going to really get into race. That scene with Sam and Buck
>talking to the Psych, I felt like Sam wanted to say he didn't
>keep the shield because the world wouldn't accept a Black Cap
>and Isiah Bradley is proof of that.


YO! The racial aspects are starting to rear its head. And that moment with Sam and Bucky with the cops had me on the verge of puking. I've had so many encounters like that with police.

TBH, I always liked Sam more than Bucky in the MCU. This show completely changed that. Sam is an idoit and Bucky I feel is the only one who's rational.

>>Now onto Act 2. And fuck John Walker and the new negro.
>Russel is doing a good job of being punchable, US Agent was
>never really a well liked character in the comics so I'm
>enjoying hating him.
>
>New negro, cuz is pure coonery.
>

Wyatt Russell always plays the smarmy, know-it-all, laughs at everything white guy I hate. His face (especially when he had the beard and long hair) was SO punchable. The only time I liked him as an actor was in Overlord. He actually showed he had range. Now he's back to playing that same fucking role he's always playing the same dude only with Cap's shield. And it makes me sick.

And yeah this new negro seems like a house negro.

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40. "Wyatt Russell is "go away heat" for me."
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He's easy to hate. I don't even like looking at him.

And that's in anything.

But in this? Dude can't even wear the CA helmet. That shit looks like a goofy ass Halloween costume.

I'll enjoy watching him get his ass handed to him though.

  

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41. "Yep. You know that’s coming. "
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>The Isiah Bradley stuff was great and it looks like they're
>going to really get into race. That scene with Sam and Buck
>talking to the Psych, I felt like Sam wanted to say he didn't
>keep the shield because the world wouldn't accept a Black Cap
>and Isiah Bradley is proof of that.

One of the things I love about this feeling like a one movie vs. a regular TV show is the opportunity to take one large story arc and have the time to explore character motives/background like this. A large theme to this entire series seems to be Sam coming to terms with Cap passing the mantle to him. Showing his internal struggle and the reasons why he turned it down, along with fully proving that he is the one worthy of it. The racial dynamic definitely looms like it will be explored. They wouldn’t have time to do that in a movie besides a throwaway line that hints at it.

But here you have John Walker as the full in Cap - an all American white guy who has a Black sidekick, Black wife, even had a full HBCU style marching band. Add in Isaiah Bradley and how he was treated, the way Sam was treated at the bank and by the police, that therapist scene showing that Sam has some issues to work through separate from Bucky, and you can see this is really building to something for his character.

  

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42. "halfway through episode 1 and..."
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Sam was already a 3-dimensional character. I could care less about him before this. The line is blurred between TV and movie actors after these two MCU shows, but I think his movie star stock will go up with this.

There are moments of bad CGI or cheesy dialog at times in these shows that reminds me that it is a TV show (much like the Mandolorian), but I appreciate that we could never get this type of character development in one movie (maybe 8 movies like Iron Man).

I have a feeling that when I finally see Bucky and Falcon/Cap on the big screen again I will appreciate them so much more.

  

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43. "Kinda whacky pacing, but thematically dope"
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The more I think about it, I kinda wish they'd gone full character building on this one. The humor is some of the best in the franchise just because of their timing together, but it also made their dynamic a little too hot and cold depending on what the scene asked for.

Also, did we really need that whole infiltration/truck fight sequence? That was lowkey one of the least sensible fight scenes in a superhero thing period, people and items just popping up like a SNES brawler. I'd have rather had a longer conversation with Bradley (I learned more about what makes his character important/interesting from episode recaps than the episode itself) and a little more time talking about what made the snap so beneficial for the people that stayed.


Oh well!


I really like how they're characterizing Walker as white privilege and a lowkey kind of scumbag, too. I winced a little every time he referred to Barnes as "Bucky" and had a little eye popping moment when he used a pistol in the truck fight. This kinda feels like a different, heightened shade of what he did in Ingrid Goes West, where he mostly presents as a very good guy but ultimately he's out for what's best for himself.


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45. "My only legit gripe with Ep 2: That dumbass Semi fight scene..."
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..I understand that Bucky's holding back (begrudgingly), but c'mon.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


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46. "im enjoying it"
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47. "Well there's your John Wick wink-and-nods, LOL"
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Plus a healthy dose of 24.


Weird episode but entertaining.


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48. "Madripoor and we get some good Zemo"
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I'm giddy as I'm typing this. Episode pacing was different but not that much to complain about.

Really excited to see the Powerbroker. I have so many thoughts about where this could go but after WV, I'm stopping and just enjoying how good this show is.

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50. "Madripoor looked how I imagined it would."
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Like, hell yeah, Wolverine would thrive in this beautiful shithole. And they fell for Sam's facsimile costume like they fall for Logan's eye patch when he goes there as Patch.

I'm going in low-to-no expectations, so I definitely didn't see the Dora Milajae chick popping up.

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49. "First half of Act 2 is great."
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Since this is Act 2, we're getting to the meat and potatoes of action and storytelling going hand in hand. Lots of surprises here too.

If Zemo becomes an antihero, that'd be crazy.

Shout out to Derek Kolstad. Dude knows how to write great action scripts.

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51. "smiling."
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This feels like the Daredevil season one pacing...we are cooking now.

Madripoor was well done....great setup for it being a setting in future series.


Just enough surprises, just enough action. Well done.

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52. "Sucks that we only get 6 eps of this"
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53. "Agreed, but leaving us wanting more is ultimately a good thing"
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I loved WandaVision, but I was definitely ready to wrap when that finale hit.

They may be nailing a sweet spot here, especially if they get renewed.

  

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54. "Interesting video about the missing vaccine/pandemic plotline..."
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They referenced the Flag Smashers smuggling vaccines, but never said what for (along with several dubbed audio moments which may have come from reshoots/rewrites). Was there originally a plotline involving a pandemic/virus which needed to be changed once we had a real life Covid pandemic?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbYnh0TTBN8&t=520s

  

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55. "End of Act 2 and YO!"
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This episode went off!!!

Loving this show so much!

Can't wait to see the fallout from this episode.

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56. "This show is so good..."
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A couple of the small things I loved in this episode...spoilers of course:




The relief on Bucky's face in that flashback of him realizing that he is free. Contrast that with a couple episodes ago when the therapist told him he was free and his response was "free to do what?" shows that in the time that's passed, he's gotten more troubled/dark. Also, he definitely owes Ayo since Zemo's gotten away. He's gonna need to help in getting him back.

The contrast between Sam and Lemar's answer to the question of whether they'd take the serum. Same instantly says no, while Lemar says yes - justifying the decision that Walker had already made.

The Flag Smasher dude who said he actually looked up to Captain America was the one who got killed by the shield at the end.

Speaking of that ending scene, all the onlookers with their cameras filming Walker felt like a callback to T'Challa and Klaw from Black Panther - when T'Challa realized that "the world was watching" he showed restraint. Walker on the other hand saw people filming and just brutally kept on going. Iconic shot with the shield having blood on it.

Random thought - it's interesting how they cast the actress from Solo who played Enfys Nest (Erin Kellyman) to essentially play the same character here. In both cases she is the leader of a rebel/revolutionary group who are seen as terrorists because of how they go about their quests, but are when she takes her mask off she is an innocent looking young woman who is much more sympathetic.

  

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57. "Word to Jean-Ralphio"
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This nigga is the wooooorst! I can only imagine the racist shit swirling in his brain after they got mopped by the Dora Milaje.

I love how shook Karli was after killing Hoskins, aka Fake Pete Rock. Like, “That wasn’t necessarily my goal, but we’re here now.” She’s kinda hot, to me.

Everybody trying to “help” Bucky and Sam keep flying off on their own agendas.

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58. "Hooooooooleeeee SHITE - top 5 MCU television episode."
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For real for real....this was amazing.

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59. "When..."
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Ayo dismantled Bucky’s arm? I gasped...clutched my invisible pearls 😂. That was such a violation.

About Lamar: When they were going up the steps, Lamar was first, while fake Cap was behind him crouching behind the shield. I knew then Lamar wouldn’t make it.

  

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64. "That shit was RUDE!"
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>Ayo dismantled Bucky’s arm? I gasped...clutched my
>invisible pearls 😂. That was such a violation.

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60. "got his ass beat by black women in a fair one"
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and said FUUUUUUUCK THIS and juiced up lmao

hands down the best ep of this yet. desperately needed too cause them first 3 were ropey

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61. "As I stated before: Patience..."
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..That's always been the basis of great storytelling.

Marvel/Disney has its flaws, but its killing it with pacing.

I'm looking forward to just how creative things will get moving forward.


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62. "Another opinion: This shit suck REAL BAD"
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They are fighting each other with knives, and weapons and someone gets hit real bad so EVERYONE stops fighting??

Was it just a game?

Kharli murdered people with a car bomb. WTF would she or her crew hesitate like that?

Oh - to set up future plot points??

I mean if they kill Lemar then Cap murders them *in the room* without pausing and letting them run away. Then somehow a tape gets out - that make more sense.

This was just dumb and clunky they way the did it.

I hope it picks up right at the same spot and Sam and Bucky take the sheild from him.

All that said I'll keep watching because fuck it it's on TV and it's not as bad as say an episode of House.

Note:I do like Zemo now though - he's completely relatable in this show in a way he wasn't in the movie.

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65. "RE: Another opinion: This shit suck REAL BAD"
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>Note:I do like Zemo now though - he's completely relatable in
>this show in a way he wasn't in the movie.

Nor in the comics

  

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66. "lol I'm saying though"
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>They are fighting each other with knives, and weapons and
>someone gets hit real bad so EVERYONE stops fighting??

I liked the episode but that was goofy as shit. I just looked past it for all of the 'Murica symbolism at the end.

*Battlestar gets his chest caved in*

John Walker: TIME OUT! TIME OUT!

*Everybody takes 5*

John Walker: TIME IN!

*John murders dude with the shield*

  

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69. "It's pretty messy, but fun"
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People keep saying they're blurring the line between movies and TV but between the semi-truck fight and this...I don't watch the modern DC stuff but I'm flashing back to fight scenes from Smallville and Buffy and whatnot with the editing and coherence. If Zemo was the priority, why's he slipping out with a comedic grin on his face like it's a Scooby Doo episode?


Andy Greenwald said something I found pretty smart on The Watch, and he's read a lot of the source material but usually seems to have a level head about Marvel generally: Falcon/WS has a lot of good ideas, but it's not necessarily making a case for the ideas outside of just laying them on the table.


It's kinda weird this is only 6 episodes with all the shit they're trying to cover here, and while the show talked a big game about honestly dealing with Sam as Cap and Sam's role as a hero in the world in general, I think the show FEELS more interested in trying to make big screen action work on a "TV budget" and being kind of a buddy cop show. The dance club scene was the key for me - there's zero point to it, but we got a meme so who cares!


Again, I like the show and I really, really hope it sticks the landing on the parts I'm most interested in, but I'm reading over the top praise for what's going on here just being happy for those folks. 'Cause right now this show's like a sloppy joe - full of flavor but a real mess.


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70. "I have more of an issue with her murdering those people in"
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the building than with the hesitation when she accidentally killed Lemar. They are positioning her and the Flag Smashers to be sympathetic characters, and for that to work if she was gonna bomb a building they needed to give more of a reason to not believe she was straight up cold blooded. All we got was the small reaction from the henchman dude, and her saying that it was the only language they would understand.

I think this issue is because of the missing vaccine/pandemic plot that I posted about up above. There is a lot in this show that is unexplained or uneven because it looks like they did rewrites/reshoots to take that out since we have a real pandemic in real life. (How did Mama Donya actually die? They sad tuberculosis at one point but it was a clear overdub. Why were they smuggling vaccines at the beginning?)

Being a bit shook after killing Lemar makes sense first because that wasn't the intention. That entire fight was the Flag Smashers on defense because fake Cap came in ready to take them down. They weren't specifically attacking fake Cap and the crew, but trying to escape. They also are still getting used to being super soldiers, and there are times when they aren't fully aware of their strength. The punch that killed Lemar was intended for fake Cap who had shown that he was enhanced by that point, not Lemar. The Flag Smashers instantly knew once seeing Lemar was dead that they had effed up - that's why they immediately got the heck out of there.

  

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71. "RE: I have more of an issue with her murdering those people in"
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>That entire fight was the
>Flag Smashers on defense because fake Cap came in ready to
>take them down. They weren't specifically attacking fake Cap
>and the crew, but trying to escape. They also are still
>getting used to being super soldiers, and there are times when
>they aren't fully aware of their strength. The punch that
>killed Lemar was intended for fake Cap who had shown that he
>was enhanced by that point, not Lemar. The Flag Smashers
>instantly knew once seeing Lemar was dead that they had effed
>up - that's why they immediately got the heck out of there.

Not quite. The whole meetup with Sam was a ruse knowing that "fake Cap" would follow/track Sam. The Flag Smashers wanted "fake Cap" neutralised obviously not knowing that he was "suped" up

  

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72. "Could be possible, I didn't read that from what happened though."
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I think she legit wanted to convince Same to work with her (and I believe that before the end of the season, that's actually what will happen) but Walker effed it up. If that does end up happening, it goes back to my issue with her bombing those innocent people. They didn't show enough to explain her motivation for doing that an remaining sympathetic. So maybe I'm just wrong about her ending up working with Sam.

Either way though, it wasn't her intent to kill Lemar, so she and the Flag Smashers were shook when it happened because they knew fake Cap was bout to fake Cap it up.

  

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73. "My bad, you’re definitely right. "
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I rewatched tonight and saw the line she said about separating them and killing Captain America.

>Not quite. The whole meetup with Sam was a ruse knowing that
>"fake Cap" would follow/track Sam. The Flag Smashers wanted
>"fake Cap" neutralised obviously not knowing that he was
>"suped" up

  

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74. "I'm in this boat for the most part. "
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In addition to your complaints about logic being ditched here and there solely for narrative reasons, I also find it strange that the visuals feel so all over the place. Certain individual shots are incredible, and the occasional action beat really shines too... but then you have some action scenes cut to hell incomprehensibly, some shitty green screen, some low-rent cable TV looking dialogue scenes.

If it wasn't for the characters I know, I'd struggle to distinguish this from, say, most NBC hour-long action thriller TV shows.

... that said, I often watch and enjoy those shows, so I'll of course keep watching here, lol. Because the bits that work *really* work. But it's clear which of the moments they care about and which of the (many) moments are largely perfunctory.

It reminds me of when I saw Ludacris live fifteen years ago. He sleepwalked through the non-singles for the most part... but then when Southern Hospitality's beat came through the speakers, he'd fucking spring to life. I'm getting a similar vibe here.

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75. "It definitely seems like reshoots had a big impact on this..."
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I’ve mentioned it a few times in this thread, but it’s clear that they completely removed a plot line about a vaccine and pandemic due to it being too close to reality (especially if that plot ended up being that the pandemic was from a virus deliberately released from Madripoor, an Asian government in the MCU.)

This video talks about some of the clear reshoots, and scenes with dialogue added in later on top of separate footage, along with plot points that don’t currently make sense. It seems like they cut out the pandemic plot and then just randomly threaded together other elements with the Flag Smashers that don’t really add up...

https://youtu.be/VhKIAHABGac

  

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96. "That would explain a lot of it. "
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76. "For that matter: Why they make a regular dude Cap anyways?"
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The one things that's been baffling me is how they just took a super regular ass dude and gave him the shield. Like no Stark/Shield tech at all. Just John Homegrown with a shield and a .45?

Not even an assault rifle. And gave him a regular ass dude as a sidekick? How did the U.S. Government NOT expect his ass to get mopped up on the regular. He doesn't even have like some howling commandos dudes following him around.

Makes no sense. At all.

Other than that though, loving the show.
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77. "They needed someone they could control"
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>The one things that's been baffling me is how they just took
>a super regular ass dude and gave him the shield. Like no
>Stark/Shield tech at all. Just John Homegrown with a shield
>and a .45?

who better than a soldier who has been indoctrinated on apple pie? besides, they were reeling after Sam said no thanks and I suspect some of the forces behind that decision to name Walker will be revealed over the last couple eps.


>
>Not even an assault rifle. And gave him a regular ass dude as
>a sidekick? How did the U.S. Government NOT expect his ass to
>get mopped up on the regular. He doesn't even have like some
>howling commandos dudes following him around.
>
>Makes no sense. At all.
>
>Other than that though, loving the show.
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>"To Each His Reach"
>
>but.....
>
>Fuck aliens.

  

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78. "Yeah. I initially though he’d just be a mascot,"
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but they got him doing missions as if he is Steve Rogers.

Also, they have a LOT of story lines to resolve in these last two episodes. Along the line above, if Walker works for the military/US government, who do Sam and Bucky work for? We talked about it earlier in this thread, but they haven’t come back to that plot point about Sam not having funding. Who does he take orders from? Is Fury involved in any way? Other Avengers? Working for/with the government? Or are they just doing this on their own?

So in addition fake Cap and the Flag Smashers, they still need to resolve what’s up with the power broker, and Sharon Carter’s involvement, Zemo’s resolution along with Wakanda chasing him down, Sam and Bucky’s relationship/partnership since they left that hanging with the therapist, Sam coming to terms with taking the shield, and the entire Isaiah Bradley plot point. All in the last two episodes. That is a LOT.

  

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63. "That last shot was AMAZING"
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And yeah, the Dora Milaje mopped Not-My-Cap's a$$

Lamar gets the silent clock

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67. "these motherfuckers can do movies or tv together, don't matter"
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while Steve is the only one to pass the purity test, he never wanted the serum in the first place. he wanted to fight as a runt. that was the only way. Walker is tainted because he was the peak of regular human condition and his ego can't bear getting beat by someone else.

Hilarious that some Black women whupping that ass was his final indignation, not the meta revolutionaries.

I'm amused at the depiction that Hydra/Soviet Union are the only entities that would have manipulated a Winter Solider and not the non-SHIELD American Empire....

  

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68. "these motherfuckers can do movies or tv together, don't matter"
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while Steve is the only one to pass the purity test, he never wanted the serum in the first place. he wanted to fight as a runt. that was the only way. Walker is tainted because he was the peak of regular human condition and his ego can't bear getting beat by someone else.

Hilarious that some Black women whupping that ass was his final indignation, not the meta revolutionaries.

I'm amused at the depiction that Hydra/Soviet Union are the only entities that would have manipulated a Winter Solider and not the non-SHIELD American Empire....

  

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79. "Im diggin the show overall. 1. Them broads had one objective and got di..."
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That's an L. Not one of them noticed him getting away? What would the punishment be for them in Wakanda?

2. Why is there even a debate on taking the super soldier serum? No side effects, long life, enhanced strength that's a no brainer and should have been a requirement for the new Captain America
and Lemar to take. They had to make it blue like viagra too huh?

  

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80. "Start of Act 3. Tgis episode was beautiful. "
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Just a FYI, there's a mid-credits scene.

But yeah, the character work throughput this is incredible.

Everything is coming together nicely.

Can't wait for the final episode next week.

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81. "homegirl just popped up in the mcu like some regular actress huh?"
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legit one of the most unpredictable cameos in recent memory.

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83. "RE: homegirl just popped up in the mcu like some regular actress huh?"
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That was cool.

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84. "she came up in there talking big shit lol."
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85. "lol."
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87. "RE: she came up in there talking big shit lol."
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I had forgot about batroc too

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91. "Apparently, we were supposed to have seen her already."
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She either is, or was supposed to be in Black Widow, if the drop dates hadn't gotten pushed.

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95. "She was going to be in Black Widow"
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Which leads me to think one of the big bads in the next phase will be Leviathan.

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82. "Took care of most of the loose threads I mentioned in post 78. "
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I loved the Bradley scene. The Sam/Bucky scenes were great too, and Wyatt Russell deserves credit for the work he’s putting in with that character.

  

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88. "Hey fam. What's good?"
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Been a minute.

Anyway I don't know where to jump in here, but I think the show is "okay". It gers better with every ep, but lacks the creativity that went into WandaVision. I dig it though. Daniel Brühl is the standout for me. He seemed to be enjoying flexibg out a character that was previously kind of weak.

At least they aren't trolling us this time (Quicksilver).

I hope to be here more often again (if y'all remember me lol), just logging on with my phone instead of my work computer isn't as user friendly.

Let me see what else y'all talking about.

  

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90. "Oh shit!!! What up!!!"
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What's good BigWorm?!

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89. "This episode was everything I thought this show was going to be "
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I really think it was their strongest episode. And like Wyatt Russell is cool an’ all, but the less John Walker the better imho. He just takes to much time and agency away from Sam and Bucky.

But yeah. I really liked this one.

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92. "at this point, the boat is a character..so i'm worried for it LOL"
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they spent so much time on that boat in this episode that i feel like Karli gonna blow that shit up next week...

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93. "That Pepper Potts can’t cut a check to fix that motherfucker infuriate..."
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I’m with ya. If Karli blows that shit up, we take the streets.

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94. "like i'm mad this show got me emotionally invested in a boat."
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97. "It will be Sam's fault...his dumb ass walking around doing"
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98. "That was funny."
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99. "This show delivered "
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This was one of 2 Phase 4 projects that I was anticipating. And boy did it live up to my expectations.

This was a six hour movie with no fat. At all.

Really hope Chloe Zhao's ETERNALS delivers.

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100. "Almost teared up a bit..."
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Seeing that Isaiah Bradley exhibit. Knew it was coming and it still got me.

  

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109. "Oh it fucking got me. "
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That shit hit hard.

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102. "Great ending"
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Everything was good with the exception of one thing that was so obvious early on, but even that I can ignore.

My episode highlights were:
-Sam's speech
-Sam and Isiah Bradley together
-Bucky finally getting that closure
-Zemo calling plays from the Raft was lit

That part I talked about early on with the world not handling a Black Cap, just the way that Sam addressed it man. People can complain that it wasn't as good as WandaVision or it was slow etc... But for me the message that this series put out was all worth and above anything else.


On other notes, glad we get US Agent now. With Val talking about things about to get weird is that either a hint at a Hydra return or Secret Invasion? I'm happy they didn't just throw away Wyatt Russell, for as much hate he was getting dude did a helluva job with the role. I wouldn't want anyone else to play US Agent.

Lastly, I need more Zemo in the MCU.

side note JLD is still fine as hell to me.

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103. "Secret Invasion I assume based on this weeks casting news"
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107. "It has to be"
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Though I'm not excited for Danery's to be on the series. If they make her who I think they might, I'm not gonna like it. I probably wont like if Oliva Coleman is in that role either.

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105. "The line "you have as much power as an insane alien or a moody teen""
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Probably butchered that a bit, but Mackie really rode that and made it land in a way that was really impressive. That speech lept out of superhero fantasy shit into the real world in a way most of this stuff doesn't, even the "what does it all mean" crises of Civil War. Even in the MCU, it's the politicians that hold the actual power and they'd rather spend their time arguing over symbols and identities instead of the human condition overall, which AT LEAST Sam is trying to defend and improve any way he can.


Like you said, I could complain a lot but nothing was HUGELY off with this show, and they did nail this One Big Thing that's pretty cool for a multinational corporate product like this to get out the door.


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101. "Rough start, amazing finish. Better than WV overall imo"
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104. "Great speech, meeeeeeeeeeeessy episode"
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Felt like this show just got sloppier and sloppier as it went along. Almost had the opposite problem of WandaVision where instead of being too repetitive and flirty with the audience this just wanted to throw every single thing at the wall. Glad people seemed to like it so much but to me this felt like three seasons of a TV show crammed into one - and the fight choreography was just lame, IMO. I loved the Morgenthau actress but her character was so weird and underutilized, she may as well have been a bad dream Sam had. Same with Zemo, at the end of the day his whole thing boiled down to a couple internet memes and contrived escapes, right?

Really dig the new Cap though, his suit could still use a little work but he can pretty clearly cover a lot of Cap AND Iron Man ground in future fights with a little BP sprinkled in. Veep seems like a perfect spike of energy for this franchise, Bucky and US Agent are in interesting places (though is Agent comic relief now??) and, uh, Miss Carter’s got all the poison gas she needs now, I guess?

I just can’t shake the thought I had when they were loading up those prisoner vans - for all the cinematic heft and money Marvel put behind Phase 3, how does this show feel like something from the USA or TNT drama block half the time? As snack food goes it was cool this had some substance (especially compared to other MCU films) but so far Marvel feels back in Phase 1 or 2 when it comes to figuring out how to make their thing work on TV.

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108. "I'm with you on this. I was underwhelmed by the finale"
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>Felt like this show just got sloppier and sloppier as it went
>along. Almost had the opposite problem of WandaVision where
>instead of being too repetitive and flirty with the audience
>this just wanted to throw every single thing at the wall. Glad
>people seemed to like it so much but to me this felt like
>three seasons of a TV show crammed into one - and the fight
>choreography was just lame, IMO. I loved the Morgenthau
>actress but her character was so weird and underutilized, she
>may as well have been a bad dream Sam had. Same with Zemo, at
>the end of the day his whole thing boiled down to a couple
>internet memes and contrived escapes, right?
>
>Really dig the new Cap though, his suit could still use a
>little work but he can pretty clearly cover a lot of Cap AND
>Iron Man ground in future fights with a little BP sprinkled
>in. Veep seems like a perfect spike of energy for this
>franchise, Bucky and US Agent are in interesting places
>(though is Agent comic relief now??) and, uh, Miss Carter’s
>got all the poison gas she needs now, I guess?
>
>I just can’t shake the thought I had when they were loading
>up those prisoner vans - for all the cinematic heft and money
>Marvel put behind Phase 3, how does this show feel like
>something from the USA or TNT drama block half the time? As
>snack food goes it was cool this had some substance
>(especially compared to other MCU films) but so far Marvel
>feels back in Phase 1 or 2 when it comes to figuring out how
>to make their thing work on TV.

they laid out a bunch of complicated themes throughout, but except for US Agent, tied a lot of things up too neatly. There wasn't exactly a conflict over Sam taking the shield this go round, after they had stripped Walker of it, he never got U.S. permission did he?

His connection to Karli seemed a bit contrived. I don't think they spent enough time interacting to get to that point as fast as they did.

I mean not for nothing, Sharon's Power Broker arc seems a bit of a knockoff of James Spader's Raymond Reddington in the Blacklist.

I think last week's episode was the best one. Maybe on watching the whole thing I'll come away differently but the last ep seemed to get away from them a bit...

  

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106. "Good finale. Sam's new costume is hella cheesy"
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I feel like they set this up for a second season, even though I thought it was a limited series...

But seriously. I know Falcon's Cap costume is true to the comics, but maybe it shouldn't have been. It might be one of the siliest costumes in the franchise.

  

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110. "Wait wait wait.... they think we give a fuck about Sharon??"
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Nah. They shoulda made the US Agent scene the post cred and put Sharon’s dumb ass on the cutting room floor.

I loved this episode and the last two, but this show was trying to be too many things. It was best when it focused on Sam, and for half the season the treated Sam and Bucky as guys just along for the ride while Zemo and Walker had all of the agency.

Overall though, it was better than the Netflix jawns, so it’s got that going for it.

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111. "RE: Wait wait wait.... they think we give a fuck about Sharon??"
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>Nah. They shoulda made the US Agent scene the post cred and
>put Sharon’s dumb ass on the cutting room floor.
>
>I loved this episode and the last two, but this show was
>trying to be too many things. It was best when it focused on
>Sam, and for half the season the treated Sam and Bucky as guys
>just along for the ride while Zemo and Walker had all of the
>agency.
>
>Overall though, it was better than the Netflix jawns, so
>it’s got that going for it.

I don’t think this is better than Daredevil. I like it though.

  

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112. "Right. Daredevil season 1 is right up there with my favorite "
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seasons of any TV show, any genre. This ain’t that. But DD (especially season 1) doesn’t even feel like a superhero show.


>I don’t think this is better than Daredevil. I like it
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114. "I think at it’s core, DD is strong. "
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But (to me) it has the opposite problem this show does in that it was overlong. There is too much filler for me in it.

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113. "that costume is Power Rangers territory"
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Hard to picture that translating on the big screen when it already looks so corny on TV

  

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115. "I was getting mad A-Train vibes from that suit"
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Comic correct (ish), but yeah...tone the colors down and something about that neck collar/goggle setup doesn't look as cool as someone thought it did

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116. "Oooohhweee, that shield was rinky-dink as fuck."
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I loved seeing that shit get swiped out of the air and beat to shit. Get that homemade ass shit outta here, fam.

Overall, the series was enjoyable but didn't give me that "Oh shit, what's gonna happen next?" feeling like WV did.

Also, I'm at the point now of don't tell me or tease me about approval for a second season unless you're about to spin the block and drop again later this year.

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117. "The action in the finale was incomprehensible."
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It's a goddamn shame, because I enjoyed the show on the whole, but good grief, the budgetary restrictions are *very much felt* in these action sequences. Everything's cut to shit, the CGI is way more noticeable, half the scenes take place in dingy empty warehouses and shit.

Like, if you give this show John Wick level action, it's an all-timer superhero TV show. But instead, the superhero shit ends up being my least favorite part. Really like the cast and characters, liked a lot of the writing with this series... but the action makes the end result hover between okay and fine for me. Kind of a shame.

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118. "agreed."
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121. "The John Wick comparison was felt hardest in the John Wick episode"
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Similar to the Mortal Kombat movie and my hopes for those fights with Joe Taslim on board, I'm not saying that John Wick or Filipino martial artists have a monopoly on good action these days but...like pornography, you know it when you see it, and both these things were big letdowns.


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119. "Sam needs the serum"
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How does having a shield and wings protect him when he's hit in the ribs by a super soldier??

Oh, it doesn't??

He needs the serum or I can't see how he competes.

I mean Iron Man at least had some of the suit at almost all times.

They need to juice him up.

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120. "Does he though? "
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He's got a pretty unique set of armor in that it's a suit from Wakanda with vibranium wings and a jetpack along with the vibranium shield. It isn't clear yet whether or not there is vibranium weave in the suit itself like Black Panther's - I'd guess not.

He never had the serum in the comics. The ability to fly but not with the serum differentiates him from Steve, and he'll have a different fighting style because of it. He can essentially be a combination of Ironman and Captain America - having that PLUS the serum would make him overpowered.

They also made a point of him specifically saying he wouldn't take the serum to contrast against Walker - and I think that the entire point of this season has been to show that he's worthy of being Cap and that the serum isn't what makes Captain America who he is.

  

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122. "The serum absolutely made Steve who he is. "
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Sam can carry that shield and mantle because he, like Steve, upholds the ideals and values of a leader worth following.

And I agree to the extent that Sam's story is about him choosing to forge his own identity, and I think that's a good thing.

But without that serum, Steve's wide-eyed idealism and heroic mindset wouldn't have stopped Red Skull, much less a thousand other things.

Caps tactical mind and dedication to maximizing his gifts put that serum to the best possible use.

So I also agree that what made Steve a Captain America worth following were things that had nothing to do with the serum, and Walker hammered that point home.

Far as Sam taking punches from super soldiers, that's a long time flaw in the way Cap has been framed this entire time.

The serum supposedly takes a person to the peak of human potential. In Steve's case, that meant he could jump out of a plan at skydiving heights, and land as though he jumped five feet, and hold a goddamned helicopter as it's trying to take off.

Meanwhile, plain old humans like Batroc are able to hang with Steve in a fight. Maybe Steve is pulling punches or whatever, but there shouldn't even be a competition there. I was hoping Sam's suit would be loaded with vibranium, but apparently not, apart from the wings.

Sam has the goods to be Cap, because *who* Cap is, is about more than the serum. But *what* Steve is/was, absolutely depended on that serum.


  

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123. "Yep."
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124. "I watched this over a friend's house and he had me ROLLIN @ the end."
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When Sam took dude and his grandson to see the statue he was like "Where's the cash?! They locked his ass up for 30 years and he just gets a statue? Where is the compensation?!" Then they showed homegirl getting a pardon and her job back (cash). He said its good and entertaining but there is still social programming in there.

I think Castro kinda/mighta touched on this a little above re: money.

  

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125. "The Anthony Mackie episode of QuestLove Supreme is crazy"
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https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-questlove-supreme-53194211/episode/anthony-mackie-81463377/

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127. "Good interview. Thanks for sharing."
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That last comment he said has me laughing out loud real quick in a store.

  

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126. "This sums up the last episode flop very well"
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https://screenrant.com/falcon-winter-soldier-finale-failed-disappointing-reason/

  

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