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"The Walking Dead-(Super) Darryl back "


  

          

Ya'll caught it?

Ya'll still in or ya'll done gave up?


This half of the season is the true test for me. They got until seasons end (my homeboy is gonna be in the season finale) to make me care.









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at this point I'm only here for the "Negan moment".....
Feb 15th 2016
1
Gonna ride it out
Feb 15th 2016
2
Glad they went through with Carl's injury, it's big for his character de...
Feb 15th 2016
3
The opening moments of ep 9 should've been the cliffhanger for ep 8
Feb 15th 2016
4
Serious.
Feb 15th 2016
6
Yeah that would have been perfect
Feb 16th 2016
8
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Feb 15th 2016
5
I took the "eat shit" convo to heart lol
Feb 15th 2016
7
your complaints are my complaints
Feb 16th 2016
9
I have a feeling that
Feb 18th 2016
10
Yup thats what Im thinking.
Feb 18th 2016
11
Agreed.
Feb 18th 2016
12
It's kinda the best way to go to maintain the gravitas of the situation
Feb 18th 2016
13
Lucille gonna break the Internet
Feb 18th 2016
14
Yup
Feb 18th 2016
15
if that happens, I sweah fo' LAWD that'll be the last episode i watch
Feb 18th 2016
16
lol
Feb 18th 2016
17
its the only way that...
Feb 19th 2016
18
      You know what...
Feb 24th 2016
32
iM WITH you
Feb 22nd 2016
23
now we have jesus, maybe yes.
Mar 03rd 2016
54
2nd episode still bringing the heat...
Feb 22nd 2016
19
The Twitter reaction to "RIchonne" was funny
Feb 22nd 2016
20
Comic question (spoiler warning)
Feb 22nd 2016
21
Spoiler answer to spoiler question.
Feb 22nd 2016
22
      Thanks, I didn't want to start a comic convo here either
Feb 22nd 2016
24
           More Spoilers (really not really)
Feb 22nd 2016
25
Abraham and Sasha
Feb 22nd 2016
26
...yaaaaassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Feb 22nd 2016
27
im surprised white people aren't pissed at the show yet
Feb 23rd 2016
28
I think
Feb 23rd 2016
29
I like how they just casually throw the gay/lesbian relationships in
Feb 23rd 2016
30
they're probably jsut happy because it's a super religious show overall
Feb 23rd 2016
31
Darryl's their saving grace.
Feb 29th 2016
34
Episode 3 of Season 6 Part 2 makes it 3/3 so far...
Feb 29th 2016
33
Agreed, it's been really good so far.
Feb 29th 2016
35
Yep. Hell...
Feb 29th 2016
36
I kept saying to myself.."hey...this is a pretty good show"
Feb 29th 2016
37
yup
Feb 29th 2016
38
was geeked and surprised to see my homie from way back...
Feb 29th 2016
39
So fucking weird, because *MY* homie from college....
Feb 29th 2016
43
      Ha. 6 degrees of TWD.
Feb 29th 2016
47
*****SPOILER********
Feb 29th 2016
40
RE: *****SPOILER********
Feb 29th 2016
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      RE: *****SPOILER********
Feb 29th 2016
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           I dunno
Feb 29th 2016
44
                That would be really devastating
Feb 29th 2016
46
                yup....
Mar 01st 2016
48
                It could be making up for the lost Lori moment... n/m
Mar 01st 2016
49
                     Great point!
Mar 01st 2016
50
                     They'll just shoot her
Mar 01st 2016
51
                Zombie babies!!!!
Mar 04th 2016
55
                     didnt you see the Dawn of the Dead remake?
Mar 05th 2016
56
"Whut?"
Feb 29th 2016
45
*spoiler*
Mar 01st 2016
52
If true, I feel sorry for those people.
Mar 02nd 2016
53
Damn. This episode is a real turning point for the group.
Mar 06th 2016
57
You obviously would've been dead on day 1 of apocalypse
Mar 07th 2016
58
      For real...ain't no love in the ZA
Mar 07th 2016
59
      no one should have a problem after seeing the pics of Lucile victims
Mar 07th 2016
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           WERD!!!!!
Mar 07th 2016
67
      I think what Hitokiri was getting at...
Mar 07th 2016
61
           And it would've been a matter of luck
Mar 07th 2016
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                Hahaha, you're not wrong
Mar 08th 2016
74
They've stirred the hornets nest
Mar 07th 2016
60
Yeah...they done effed up now...
Mar 08th 2016
73
Spoilers
Mar 07th 2016
63
He's the new lead of the 24 Reebot
Mar 07th 2016
65
This season has been firing on all cylinders so far.
Mar 07th 2016
64
I came in to say this.
Mar 07th 2016
66
I would NOT have my pregnant wife
Mar 07th 2016
68
I think it was a combo of....
Mar 07th 2016
69
Good call on that
Mar 07th 2016
70
      yeah random is the key... Im thinking we'll get...
Mar 10th 2016
76
lol @ "let her". clearly, Maggie controls what Maggie does
Mar 14th 2016
86
      Clearly I wasn't the only one who thought that
Mar 14th 2016
87
Oh, cool. Now Carol's a fucking idiot like Morgan
Mar 07th 2016
72
RE: Oh, cool. Now Carol's a fucking idiot like Morgan
Mar 08th 2016
75
Finally caught up; overall this season might be the shows best run
Mar 11th 2016
77
I refuse to watch Talking Dead.
Mar 14th 2016
78
I didn't see TD, but Carol's change makes sense...
Mar 14th 2016
79
      RE: I didn't see TD, but Carol's change makes sense...
Mar 14th 2016
80
           agreed. i'm really enjoying this season, but Carol's sudden change makes...
Mar 14th 2016
81
           Remember though, a significant amount of time passed...
Mar 14th 2016
82
           you might be right.
Mar 14th 2016
83
                Hah, I hear you.
Mar 14th 2016
85
           RE: agreed. i'm really enjoying this season, but Carol's sudden change m...
Mar 15th 2016
92
           Whether or not you care about them...
Mar 14th 2016
84
Post 72, again.
Mar 14th 2016
88
Yea, Carol is a conundrum for some reason.
Mar 15th 2016
89
      But... it wasn't sudden?
Mar 15th 2016
90
           Yeah...
Mar 15th 2016
91
           it was sudden for us as viewers of the show...
Apr 07th 2016
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                The writers
Apr 07th 2016
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F.U.!!! (Spoiler)
Mar 20th 2016
93
Yeah that sucked
Mar 21st 2016
94
RE: F.U.!!! (Spoiler)
Mar 21st 2016
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      Its hard to say
Mar 21st 2016
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           RE: Its hard to say
Mar 21st 2016
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                From Last season
Mar 21st 2016
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                     RE: From Last season
Mar 21st 2016
99
                          Beth was a background character
Mar 21st 2016
100
                          nah.
Mar 21st 2016
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                               RE: nah.
Mar 22nd 2016
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                               nah.
Mar 22nd 2016
108
                               Yup
Mar 22nd 2016
109
How does everyone feel about
Mar 21st 2016
102
You know what I think, lol
Mar 21st 2016
103
I'm not totally sold on her being an idiot
Mar 21st 2016
104
      problem is she's not Morgan....
Mar 22nd 2016
105
           This is true
Mar 22nd 2016
107
                yeah this s a good point... I agree...
Mar 24th 2016
111
makes no damn sense...
Mar 23rd 2016
110
WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Mar 28th 2016
112
yeah
Mar 28th 2016
113
      RE: yeah
Apr 01st 2016
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           one way that could really take it over the top....
Apr 01st 2016
121
           I'm pretty sure Michonne is safe
Apr 01st 2016
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Everyone is a fucking idiot and Morgan is the worst
Mar 28th 2016
114
lol
Mar 28th 2016
115
This was brilliantly funny
Mar 28th 2016
116
This is how horror ramps up...
Mar 29th 2016
117
You're 100% correct on this
Mar 30th 2016
118
I think Alanna Masterson was giving birth RIGHT as they were taping
Mar 30th 2016
119
hear,hear, gotdamit
Apr 04th 2016
138
What in theeeeee entire fuck did I just watch?
Apr 03rd 2016
123
I'm curious to see where this goes.
Apr 04th 2016
124
Yeah how did they catch them all the damn time.
Apr 04th 2016
126
lightweight certain Daryl bought the farm.
Apr 04th 2016
127
All the Wolves died
Apr 04th 2016
129
      Seriously?
Apr 04th 2016
140
           They were a remix
Apr 04th 2016
154
WTF!
Apr 04th 2016
125
I was only half-watching, but did it ever explain
Apr 04th 2016
128
      I don't know what the hell they sprayed
Apr 04th 2016
131
           people said they just sprayed an x on him
Apr 04th 2016
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                its so Ricks crew would know its the same guys from before
Apr 04th 2016
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                how would they not have known though?
Apr 04th 2016
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                     It's so the audience would know.
Apr 04th 2016
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                          Good point
Apr 05th 2016
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                          but the audience couldn't see it was an X when they sprayed it
Apr 05th 2016
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                I think it was a cross.
Apr 04th 2016
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Good Finale, however
Apr 04th 2016
130
Word is they shot certain scenes with him twice
Apr 04th 2016
133
I'm extremely disappointed.
Apr 04th 2016
134
Right!
Apr 04th 2016
135
      I like the way Gimple & Kirkman explained it on Talking Dead
Apr 04th 2016
142
           That was a piss poor excuse
Apr 04th 2016
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           to you, obviously..i'm fine with it. i don't have an issue w/cliffhanger...
Apr 04th 2016
144
                Well the people passionate about that moment seem to be
Apr 04th 2016
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                .
Apr 04th 2016
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                'most people said it was terrible' isn't a valid argument to me
Apr 04th 2016
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                     please stop
Apr 04th 2016
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                RE: to you, obviously..i'm fine with it. i don't have an issue w/cliffha...
Apr 05th 2016
180
           nah, there's a cliffhanger, and there's a fuck you
Apr 04th 2016
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                Exactly
Apr 04th 2016
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                I hear you, but I disagree. they promised Negan would kill someone
Apr 04th 2016
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                not only that but we were robbed of the immediate reactions
Apr 04th 2016
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                yup, the story is just becoming a circular rehash of the same shit
Apr 04th 2016
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                and it would've been so easy to do it right
Apr 04th 2016
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                yup
Apr 04th 2016
168
                RE: and it would've been so easy to do it right
Apr 04th 2016
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                And I dont see the reason why. It kills their momentum
Apr 05th 2016
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that shit was wack as hell
Apr 04th 2016
136
Had me till the ending
Apr 04th 2016
137
looks like it..
Apr 04th 2016
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RE: looks like it..
Apr 04th 2016
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      would have to be CGI... unless they..
Apr 05th 2016
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           Maybe for certain scenes
Apr 05th 2016
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RE: Had me till the ending
Apr 04th 2016
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      shit was wack...
Apr 04th 2016
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      RE: shit was wack...
Apr 04th 2016
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      RE: shit was wack...
Apr 04th 2016
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           You might be right
Apr 04th 2016
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      You know this is EXACTLY whats going to happen...
Apr 05th 2016
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      Or more insulting...
Apr 05th 2016
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      I hope not
Apr 05th 2016
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      RE: Had me till the ending
Apr 05th 2016
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So what does everyone think of Jeffrey Dean Morgan
Apr 04th 2016
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he was believable when talking but his movement & body language are off
Apr 04th 2016
167
i wish he'd been clean shaven (he even made a joke about it)
Apr 04th 2016
170
Oh he's perfect
Apr 04th 2016
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only down side is he is too skinny....
Apr 05th 2016
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he got the grin down
Apr 05th 2016
184
i like it...not how i pictured Negan...
Apr 05th 2016
186
Fucking Trevor.
Apr 04th 2016
159
This makes a lot of sense to me.
Apr 05th 2016
185
I originally was thinking Maggie..../Did they give it away? *link*
Apr 05th 2016
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I think it's either...
Apr 06th 2016
196
How far did Eugene get? Lol... looked like he drove 100 ft...
Apr 04th 2016
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LMAO A fan edited ending that was better than the original
Apr 04th 2016
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LOL That was well done....
Apr 05th 2016
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      Another one with reactions
Apr 05th 2016
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There was a lot of perspective views...the premiere will....
Apr 05th 2016
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That would be interesting
Apr 05th 2016
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RE: There was a lot of perspective views...the premiere will....
Apr 06th 2016
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Can we talk about the other magnificent ways this episode sucks
Apr 06th 2016
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The Carol change has been the biggest writing sin of the series.
Apr 06th 2016
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      She's was the best character on top a unique portrayal of feminity
Apr 06th 2016
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           yeah it's terrible...
Apr 07th 2016
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My recap of most of the second half of the season
Apr 06th 2016
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That really only happened
Apr 06th 2016
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      A variation of this happened with....
Apr 06th 2016
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Kudos to the Flyers trolling the shit outta Glenn *link*
Apr 07th 2016
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Philly has no chill!
Apr 07th 2016
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this show doesn't know what it wants to be...
Apr 07th 2016
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I already stated it in other posts (#79 & #82)...
Apr 07th 2016
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      agree to disagree...i was just talking about Carol either
Apr 07th 2016
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      I feel like you're talking about things that weren't really in script
Apr 07th 2016
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      RE: I feel like you're talking about things that weren't really in scrip...
Apr 07th 2016
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      I understood carol's motivations
Apr 07th 2016
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      Fair enough, totally reasonable.
Apr 07th 2016
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      No I don't buy it.
Apr 10th 2016
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           RE: No I don't buy it.
Apr 11th 2016
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                The bad storytelling IS tied to the progression of her character though
Apr 11th 2016
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                     This is the argument now?
Apr 11th 2016
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                          how can it be this exceptional rock solid character arc, when
Apr 12th 2016
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                               Maybe because I pay attention?
Apr 12th 2016
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                               As a side note..
Apr 12th 2016
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                                    It was S6 Episode 10
Apr 12th 2016
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1. "at this point I'm only here for the "Negan moment"....."
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but I got a feeling they gonna hold that for the finale. I was surprised they included Carl's injury from the comic.

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2. "Gonna ride it out"
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Last nights episode is one of their best - just means it's downhill from here (for the second half)


I was a little surprised at the Carl injury, do we get the other one now? (trying not spoil anything)




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3. "Glad they went through with Carl's injury, it's big for his character de..."
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I'm actually excited for all the stuff coming up next and seeing how it compares to the comic


Fucking Daryl is such a badass, he gets all the best kills


That lil plot line with the wolf actually played out pretty good, I wonder what'll happen with that group and how they deal;/interact with the Saviors

  

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4. "The opening moments of ep 9 should've been the cliffhanger for ep 8"
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Most knew what was gonna happen. I think Carl's injury would've been the better cliffhanger for ep 8.

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6. "Serious. "
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Carl saying "Dad?" is much more impactful than Sam saying "Mom?"

  

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8. "Yeah that would have been perfect"
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5. "Lather, rinse, repeat."
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As with the prior seasons for this show, the first couple of episodes for the season will be top notch material since that's typically when the show is able to but forth most of its budget towards special effects. During the middle of the season, the quality of the show will lessen since the weak writing gets exposed. The cliffhanger for the season or mid-season finale will pique folk's interest into what will develop for the next season.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

I shouldn't have written that summary as if I'm above watching the show since I've been watching the show since it's inception despite the show's glaring flaws.

On a somewhat optimistic note, I am curious how dark this show will get with Negan.

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7. "I took the "eat shit" convo to heart lol"
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9. "your complaints are my complaints"
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but I think this season and last season they are really hitting the ball out of the park. Before we would get a strong opening then 2 or 3 episodes of filler or flashbacks. Then a strong cliff hanger. There has certainly been less filler and more strong episodes.

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10. "I have a feeling that"
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*****SPOILER*******














Darryl will be substituted for Glen to meet Lucille.

  

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11. "Yup thats what Im thinking."
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12. "Agreed."
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13. "It's kinda the best way to go to maintain the gravitas of the situation "
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without telling the exact same story as the comic

  

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14. "Lucille gonna break the Internet"
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whoever get's it is gonna make some people mad

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15. "Yup"
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It would have to be one of the main/liked characters. If it was let's say, Eugene, it would not have the same impact as if it were Glen, Michonne, Darryl etc.

I personally think it will be Darryl even though I really like him. If it is him, it'll be interesting to see how all the fan girls will react and if people will still continue to watch the show.

  

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16. "if that happens, I sweah fo' LAWD that'll be the last episode i watch"
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I'm really just here now for Darryl, Michonne, the sexy latin chic, and the Lucille moment.

If they make Darryl meet Lucille, I'm cutting my cable off.





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17. "lol"
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You think AMC has the balls to kill Darryl off though? If it's him. I'll still watch. I still like most of the characters on the show. If we're talking eye candy though? Rosita, Maggie, and Sasha are all fire. I hope none of them bite the dust soon lol.

  

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18. "its the only way that..."
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the moment can have the same impact from the comics. He is one of the most beloved characters for non comic readers. Having him go out like that will be a gut punch. Just like it was when we read it in the comic.
I do hope they keep the "Eeny, meeny, miny, moe" part from the comic. If he kills Darryl just cuz he heard he's the one that blew up his boys that would be wack. It has to really seems random to truly hurt.

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32. "You know what..."
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It could be Carol as well. I read an article somewhere with that theory. She is also one of the beloved characters on the show. We all know that she is a badass character that will do anything to survive and protect the group but in the mid season premiere, it seems as if Morgan's philosophy might have resonated something in her when he tells her that she can't kill him. Could this change lead to her demise? It also could be a crazy plot twist since she's a female character and all of the foreshadowing and clues have led us to believe it's Darryl. If it is Carol, I think it could have the same impact if not a bigger impact than if it were Darryl.

  

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23. "iM WITH you"
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>I'm really just here now for Darryl, Michonne, the sexy latin
>chic, and the Lucille moment.
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54. "now we have jesus, maybe yes."
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19. "2nd episode still bringing the heat..."
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Rick and Daryl getting most of an episode for a run... Cool.

Meeting Jesus for the first time... Cool.

Rick and Michonne... More than friends? ... Cool.

Per usual, I hope they can keep these good episodes up. I know the story from the comics, and they should be able to, but this is TWD-made-for-TV, so you never know.

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20. "The Twitter reaction to "RIchonne" was funny"
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21. "Comic question (spoiler warning)"
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I've read all of the comics up to the current issue but don't remember Rick and Michonne ever hooking up. Did that happen in the comic?

Not that the show needs to stay on track with the comic, we're way passed that now, just curious.

Good start to the season so far. I was happy to see Jesus be introduced.

  

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22. "Spoiler answer to spoiler question."
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No, the relationship between Rich and Michonne was strictly platonic. Early on, Michonne was involved in a triangle with Tyrese and a long time girlfriend Tyrese had before he came across Michonne if memory serves me right. She was also involved in another romantic relationship after the situation with Tyrese dissolved, but I'll stop there so I don't mention any more non-TV characters in this TV specific thread.

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24. "Thanks, I didn't want to start a comic convo here either"
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just wanted a quick reminder, so I appreciate the concise response.

  

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25. "More Spoilers (really not really)"
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I always felt like there was a sexual tension between them but no they never hooked up

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26. "Abraham and Sasha"
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Are going to be the next to hook up. I saw Richonne happening from a mile away. It was kind of set up that way since Carl and Rick are extremely close to Michonne since Season 4. It only made sense.

  

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27. "...yaaaaassssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss"
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28. "im surprised white people aren't pissed at the show yet"
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or maybe they have been and I just missed it. But you had the two gay guys last season. You have the Doc trying to romance Tara. Now you got the white lead character hooking up with a black lady. Or maybe all of this is okay for them to happen during a Zombie apocalypse.

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29. "I think"
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the black female character hooking up with a white male character plays into the whole "white male fantasy" so there's no complaints from white men there. You see all these non-white female characters with white males in various films and TV shows; but if it were the other way around with a non-white male and white female, all the white men get all up in arms. lol.

I do like how TWD TV Series and comic book series isn't afraid of having gay/lesbian or interracial relationships. I like how the writers aren't afraid to go there despite potential backlash from audiences. Being such a huge show, it is kind of surprising that there aren't more people shitting on the show for having gays, interracial relationships on there. Look at all the hate Star Wars had for having a black lead male character.

  

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30. "I like how they just casually throw the gay/lesbian relationships in"
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its not this huge thing it just is. Maybe the groups that get mad at a show like Friends for having a lesbian couple do not watch this because it has zombies and is about the apocalypse. Not the apocalypse that is in the bible.

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31. "they're probably jsut happy because it's a super religious show overall"
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the midseason opener was jesus'd up, and now fucking jesus has actually joined the cast...and is a pervert

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34. "Darryl's their saving grace."
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Where, if predictions in this thread end up coming true, it will be interesting to see the reactions from those same folks.

  

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33. "Episode 3 of Season 6 Part 2 makes it 3/3 so far..."
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Usually the episodes die off a bit, but I know what's coming and they have a lot to cover between now and the finale.

These episodes are fantastic and swinging for the fences in full force.

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35. "Agreed, it's been really good so far."
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And considering how they break up the episodes by characters, I'm guessing we see a Carol/Morgan episode next, which should keep that streak going.

  

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36. "Yep. Hell..."
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This past episode finally managed to make something out of Abraham, which is great.

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37. "I kept saying to myself.."hey...this is a pretty good show""
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3/3 mos def.

Abraham basically Darryl "Yo..my man...why you aint pushin up on nothing?" cracked me up.

They've actually managed to restore a feeling/sense of chaos/unpredictability again too. Thought Abraham was gonna get it...dude bout choked him out!

This season is pretty durn awesome so far





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38. "yup"
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I've been really enjoying the second half of the season so far.



  

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39. "was geeked and surprised to see my homie from way back..."
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show up on one of my favorite TV show.

He plays the guy they are taking back to Alexandria to help them scout Negan's camp (dude who got his hand broken).

I know he won't be around long (next ep I think he dies) but such a good look for him. His biggest credit til now was 5 episodes as Nicholas Widmark on the Netflix show Bloodline (which I don't watch).

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43. "So fucking weird, because *MY* homie from college...."
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...is dude with the leg injury that they took back to the Hilltop.

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47. "Ha. 6 degrees of TWD. "
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congrats to your friend.

my wife's cousin is an actor who's done some TV (he's on American Crime Story - People vs. OJ Simpson right now), TV movies, some feature films and some big commercials. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1829813/

he doesn't always work though so getting those gigs are major.

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40. "*****SPOILER********"
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Could there be more than one "main character death" Other than in the finale? It looks like we're heading in a direction where that's definitely a possibility. Now having Jesus, The Hilltop Community, and Negan as the main Villain AMC may need to kill someone off to make room for budgeting purposes.

  

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41. "RE: *****SPOILER********"
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>Hilltop Community, and Negan as the main Villain AMC may need
>to kill someone off to make room for budgeting purposes.

I can see Glen, Abraham, Maggie, Tara and Daryl being offed by the end of season 6. Depending on how long they're going to drag out this particular storyline.

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42. "RE: *****SPOILER********"
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After Glen's "fake out death" I don't see him being offed. Also, if they're sticking with Maggie's storyline in the comics, I don't see it being her either.

Abraham could be someone I can see being killed off in the next couple of episodes. He has had a lot of screen time as of late and you know what happens next if that's the case.

I was also thinking that Morgan may be a possibility as well. Maybe his philosophy of "All life is precious" will finally catch up with him.

  

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44. "I dunno"
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> if they're sticking with Maggie's storyline in the
>comics, I don't see it being her either.

If it ain't Glenn, I could see them doing a pregnant Maggie. For the "horror."

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46. "That would be really devastating "
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At this point, we've all been so invested into these characters the last 6 years it will be really tough to see ANYONE in the main group go. But having a pregnant Maggie or even Carol go, it really does adds to the horro/shock factor.

I guess we'll find out in these next 5 weeks! The 2nd half so far has been amazing and shows no signs of slowing down.

  

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48. "yup...."
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>If it ain't Glenn, I could see them doing a pregnant Maggie.
>For the "horror."

Them putting a preggo Maggie in the Negan moment would be perfect IMHO.
But Im not sure they have the balls to do it.

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49. "It could be making up for the lost Lori moment... n/m"
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50. "Great point!"
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Had totally forgotten that they copped out on that.

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51. "They'll just shoot her"
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No way they bash in a pregnant woman's head. One of the dudes is getting Lucille.

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55. "Zombie babies!!!!"
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Is that a thing in the comics? I mean they have to exist right?!

  

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56. "didnt you see the Dawn of the Dead remake?"
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damn right there are zombie babies!

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45. ""Whut?""
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Line of the year.

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52. "*spoiler*"
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peep this trailer. sounds like Carol and Maggie get kidnapped
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53. "If true, I feel sorry for those people. "
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Carol’s the last person anyone on this show wants to fuck with. That’s not even hyperbole. I mean that. She’s the last person I’d want to fuck with. The very last.

I think she’s going to reach a point where she still retains her inherent goodness and remains firmly protective over this group, but starts to enjoy the pain she inflicts on their enemies to a disturbing degree. Is there anyone more stone cold than Carol on this show?

At any rate I hope she makes it out of that and gets some serious comeuppance.

  

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57. "Damn. This episode is a real turning point for the group."
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Other killing has always been justifiable... but killing fools you've had absolutely no interaction with in their sleep?!
Goddamn.

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58. "You obviously would've been dead on day 1 of apocalypse"
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>Other killing has always been justifiable... but killing
>fools you've had absolutely no interaction with in their
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59. "For real...ain't no love in the ZA"
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Not to mention that Darryl, Sasha and Abraham were almost killed by members of this group in cold blood. They know who they're dealing with

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62. "no one should have a problem after seeing the pics of Lucile victims "
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When Glen saw that, I clutched my pearls extra tight

  

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67. "WERD!!!!!"
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>When Glen saw that, I clutched my pearls extra tight

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61. "I think what Hitokiri was getting at..."
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was all the other killings were some form of self-defense. It could be argued that Negan's group struck first when they stopped Darryl, Sasha and Abraham but that wasn't because they were a target, it was a matter of luck.

This is the first time that Rick's group really felt like the *aggressors*, and it's why those scenes with Glenn and Heath were so impactful.

  

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71. "And it would've been a matter of luck"
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When Negan at them were at the gates of Rick and thems hood

Negans ppl is evel and IM GLAD THEY DIED AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HAIL


>was all the other killings were some form of self-defense.
>It could be argued that Negan's group struck first when they
>stopped Darryl, Sasha and Abraham but that wasn't because they
>were a target, it was a matter of luck.
>
>This is the first time that Rick's group really felt like the
>*aggressors*, and it's why those scenes with Glenn and Heath
>were so impactful.

  

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74. "Hahaha, you're not wrong"
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Just sayin, no one is a saint in this whole thing...

  

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60. "They've stirred the hornets nest"
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shit's about to hit the fan now


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73. "Yeah...they done effed up now..."
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They done had their hands in Negans pocket way too many times now.


As soon as they recognize that it was Darryl that vaporized their crew, they killing at least 3 people:

Heath
Darryl
Maggie



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63. "Spoilers"
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Hope they keep Heath around. He's still alive in the comics but I can see them taking him out on the show. I hope that's not the case.

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65. "He's the new lead of the 24 Reebot"
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http://www.ew.com/article/2016/01/25/24-corey-hawkins


I'm pretty sure he'll survive the rest of this season. He'll probably will be killed off the beginning of next season.

  

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64. "This season has been firing on all cylinders so far."
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Haven't experienced the drop off in quality that I was expected based on how the prior seasons have gone in the past. And even better the storylines are different from the ones in the comics, so there's added reason to pay attention to what's going down. Good to see that the show runners haven't gotten lazy with the show's success.

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66. "I came in to say this."
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4/4 in Season 6 Part 2. I'm loving this, and those results alone are vaulting this up into the Best Season discussion.

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68. "I would NOT have my pregnant wife"
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be a part of a mission to kill a group of people. Even if she was just being the lookout. There's just too much at stake. If I were Glen, there's no way I'd let her leave Alexandria. Now look what happened. Carol was right. I wonder if the rest of the group felt the same way. It will be interesting to see how this plays out!

  

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69. "I think it was a combo of...."
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1)After all they been through the never want to be apart any more. If they gonna have to face crap, they do it together.

2)It was her plan. No was she was not gonna be involved in some way.

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70. "Good call on that"
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Now that Maggie has been taken captive, would Glenn sacrifice himself to save her? I believe he would. However,



***SPOILERS***












It would take away from how random the comic book death would be which IMO would have a far greater impact. Could this mean that we could lose Glen and possibly another character? They just wiped out that whole base! 1 person would not suffice sending a message to Rick and Co. with all the damage they have done. These last 4 episodes are going to be insane.

  

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76. "yeah random is the key... Im thinking we'll get..."
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a line up of Rick, Michonne, Glen, and Darryl for the "eenie meenie miney mo". With my money on either Glen or Darryl meeting Lucille.

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86. "lol @ "let her". clearly, Maggie controls what Maggie does"
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there's nothing Glenn can do about that

you may assume you will have "control" over what your future wife does...you'll see. LOL

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87. "Clearly I wasn't the only one who thought that"
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Sure Maggie does what she wants to do since she's a grown woman; but she's putting THEIR child's life at risk. Since Glenn's the father, he definitely has a say into whether he thinks it's safe for her to go. He didn't seem to have a problem with it...good for him/them.

All I'm saying is that if it were me, I wouldn't be comfortable with her going knowing the risks involved and would try to convince her to stay.

  

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72. "Oh, cool. Now Carol's a fucking idiot like Morgan"
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Her and Maggie'd probably be fine if she didn't wanna have a class debate outside the perimeter.

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75. "RE: Oh, cool. Now Carol's a fucking idiot like Morgan"
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lol at Morgan being an idiot. Rick's plan is about to get them fucked up in a major way.

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77. "Finally caught up; overall this season might be the shows best run"
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I mean, they are still making S-T-U-P-I-D mistakes that no one else would(LOLZ@ pregnant Maggie joining on the murderous raid) but at least the characters are at least acknowledging the stupidity.

The existential angst the characters seem more natural when they happen...like Carol's keeping track of her kills. And old cliche's (Crazy Rick!) seem earned as opposed to something the writers throw in there (his rage after Carl got shot last half, him saying 'What?' at the astonished town folks covered in blood after slicing that guys neck a few episodes back).

It's also been a great mix of action along with quieter moments; past seasons they would have debated the raid for episodes at a time and saved it for the last episode...this got on and popping quickly.

  

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78. "I refuse to watch Talking Dead."
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Did Talking Dead speak on why Carol's character is getting soft all of a sudden? A complete head scratcher since she was one of the more hardcore characters. In addition, there was little tension in that hostage situation since all of the captors did nothing physical to Carol or Maggie; they were all just tough talkers. Well, technically Maggie did get kneed in the stomach and she got slashed, but that was only when Carol and Maggie physically initiated the confrontation.

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79. "I didn't see TD, but Carol's change makes sense..."
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...Sam's death really spooked her.

When she was delivering cookies and was approached by Morgan, she was standing at Sam's grave and left a cookie there.

As far as the hostage situation, I agree that there wasn't much tension, but considering how it all played out I don't think that was the point. Much like how Carol and Maggie came out of it, my wife and I were sort of unsettled with all the carnage in that episode. Note that each captor was humanized with some glimpse into their backstory. They weren't aimless killers like the Wolves, they were normal people hardened by their environment. I think it was purposeful that the captors didn't do much to Carol and Maggie outside of hollow threats, yet they were still brutally slaughtered to a man.

It continues along with the theme that, while their actions this season can be rationalized, Rick and his group can no longer be considered "the good guys" anymore.

  

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80. "RE: I didn't see TD, but Carol's change makes sense..."
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>...Sam's death really spooked her.
>
>When she was delivering cookies and was approached by Morgan,
>she was standing at Sam's grave and left a cookie there.
>
>As far as the hostage situation, I agree that there wasn't
>much tension, but considering how it all played out I don't
>think that was the point. Much like how Carol and Maggie came
>out of it, my wife and I were sort of unsettled with all the
>carnage in that episode. Note that each captor was humanized
>with some glimpse into their backstory. They weren't aimless
>killers like the Wolves, they were normal people hardened by
>their environment. I think it was purposeful that the captors
>didn't do much to Carol and Maggie outside of hollow threats,
>yet they were still brutally slaughtered to a man.
>
>It continues along with the theme that, while their actions
>this season can be rationalized, Rick and his group can no
>longer be considered "the good guys" anymore.


Good assessment, but my problem is that too little time was spent establishing the back stories for the minor characters you mentioned for me to care about them; Sam from the town and Paula and the other captors included. Not saying you are wrong, but since none of the characters meant anything to me, Carol's abrupt turn made no sense to me. And I wasn't necessarily asking for the captors to be brainless psychopaths, but I at least wanted some sense of danger to the threats they were mentioning. The captors didn't even take advantage of the fact Maggie was pregnant since the threat of harming her would giver her leverage over Rick.

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81. "agreed. i'm really enjoying this season, but Carol's sudden change makes..."
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NO sense in the grand scheme of her arc.

if Sam's death really hit her like that then that doesn't make sense because up until it, she knew Sam, his family and most of the Alexandrians were weak AF.

shit, she threatened to kill Sam a few times her damn self and she would have done it if he had betrayed her.

also, her beef with Morgan seemed unresolved unless i missed something major, so its not like Morgan had suddenly convinced her to see the light, or, if he did, they did a really poor job of conveying that.

man, if we're gonna have Morganized Carol then i hope she dies soon.

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82. "Remember though, a significant amount of time passed..."
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since Sam's death. It's been several weeks since the walls were breached, and the Alexandrians settled into a routine. So much so that Carol (and Rick) found a kindred spirit and she enjoyed returning to a somewhat normal life. There was no irony in her passing out cookies as the mundane-ness of it brought her genuine joy.

Why is that such a stretch? The whole point of Alexandria, from Deanna to Rick to Michonne to Gabriel to Glenn/Maggie to pouty girl was all about finally attaining a sense of normalcy and community. After the horde and Wolves crises were resolved, they finally got what they were seeking. Carol's return of decency makes sense because it's organically consistent with the rest of the group.

> also, her beef with Morgan seemed unresolved unless i missed something major, so its not like Morgan had suddenly convinced her to see the light, or, if he did, they did a really poor job of conveying that.

Agreed, it's not resolved. Carol wants to be normal and part of her realizes that Morgan, at some level, was right. She was diametrically opposed to Morgan this entire time and now she's grappling with the fact that she's starting to sympathize with his worldview (which is dangerous, she knows).

> man, if we're gonna have Morganized Carol then i hope she dies soon.

I actually hope not. Badass Carol is great, but if she stays that way forever that's a boring character. There's far more nuance and complexity in the Carol we see now, which is infinitely more interesting because it shows growth in the character. This is juxtaposed by the switch in the group's actions, where now they're being portrayed as the ruthless killers.

Seriously, marinate on it a bit. This is a big reason why the second half of this season is so strong, because the writing is so good.

Rick's group used to be the peaceful motley crew where individuals needed to harden themselves to survive against threats.

Now they're the band of mercenaries aggressively staking out territory in the interest of survival... where hardened individuals are now questioning just how heartless they've become.

  

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83. "you might be right."
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that said, i just want killer Carol.

i'm set in my ways with her. lol.

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85. "Hah, I hear you."
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Carol the Confused is more interesting, but Carol the Ninja is someone I can fucking root for, hah

  

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92. "RE: agreed. i'm really enjoying this season, but Carol's sudden change m..."
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>NO sense in the grand scheme of her arc.
>
>if Sam's death really hit her like that then that doesn't make
>sense because up until it, she knew Sam, his family and most
>of the Alexandrians were weak AF.
>
>shit, she threatened to kill Sam a few times her damn self and
>she would have done it if he had betrayed her.
>
>also, her beef with Morgan seemed unresolved unless i missed
>something major, so its not like Morgan had suddenly convinced
>her to see the light, or, if he did, they did a really poor
>job of conveying that.
>
>man, if we're gonna have Morganized Carol then i hope she dies
>soon.

she's been on a different type of arc ever since they were attacked by the wolves. Even though she showed the most courage and caught many bodies, she was strangely affected at the end of the day... that's when she started smoking again too

  

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84. "Whether or not you care about them..."
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doesn't change how the writers are setting things up. The "Negans" (haven't read this far into the comics so dunno if the characterization is consistent) aren't there to garner sympathy per se, they're there to show the shift in Rick's group.

(I would argue that they did show a lot of Sam's back story with the whole stairs thing though. He was annoying and bratty, but you can't blame the kid for being scared shitless. Carol was a big part of his fear, which I'm sure she feels extra guilty for).

> And I wasn't necessarily asking for the captors to be brainless psychopaths, but I at least wanted some sense of danger to the threats they were mentioning.

This might be semantics, but while in their individual skirmishes they've been ineffectual, that's not the general sense I've gotten from the group. They did strongarm Hilltop for their crops (50%!), sent one of Hilltop's own to murder Gregory and if not for a rocket launcher, had three of Rick's top soldiers pinned down. The dude Glenn took down had polaroids of heads bashed in. This was not a group that played around. Again, the actions of Rick's group can justifiably be rationalized, but they had the element of surprise in every single conflict.

> The captors didn't even take advantage of the fact Maggie was pregnant since the threat of harming her would giver her leverage over Rick.

True, feeding in the whole "normal people that became hardened" narrative. They're not mindless killers, they all went through some shit, just like Rick's group. If The Walking Dead had been following "The Negans" for six seasons, wouldn't we be shocked if Paula and 'Chelle had slit some strange girl's pregnant belly for no reason?


  

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88. "Post 72, again."
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She gets dap for the Kill Floor move though.

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89. "Yea, Carol is a conundrum for some reason."
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I mean, on one hand, I think that it's good character growth to have her questioning the turn she's made, but it seems so sudden that I can't help but scratch my head.

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90. "But... it wasn't sudden?"
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Several weeks passed between the Wolves and meeting Jesus.

  

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91. "Yeah..."
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Carol was never a cold blooded killer to begin with. She's just someone who's willing to do whatever it takes to protect the group. I think that she always did find it difficult when she killed someone:

- Karen and David at the prison was definitely something that she regrets and the guilt still weighs down on her even up until this point.

- It wasn't easy for her to kill. Lizzie (or was it Mika? I get the sisters mixed up) even though she knew it was necessary (the kid was crazy and too far gone).

-She had to kill everyone at Terminus to save the group.

-She had to kill those Wolves who attacked their community. At the end of that episode, you can already see the damage of all of the killing has done to her. Of her being afraid of what she was capable of becoming/doing.

There was a 2 month gap from when they got rid of the herd in Alexandria and meeting Jesus. And like you mentioned, it has given her a lot of time to just reflect on everything she's done during the ZA. Morgan, as well as the guilt of Sam's death, definitely has an influence on her transformation. It has been gradual but something that they have been building up for a while IMO.

  

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204. "it was sudden for us as viewers of the show..."
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they didnt' show a transition to this, she just woke up one day like this as far as we can see...so it was sudden.

what was the turning point for her? was it killing the wolves? was it the fact that Morgan knocked her out during that conflict? what actually sent her over the edge?

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>what actually sent her over the edge?

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93. "F.U.!!! (Spoiler)"
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thats what i screamed at THAT moment....screamed/cursed at the tv.

that was my favorite 'new' character and that actress was AWESOME. we'd seen her before in another show (New Girl) and loved her skills instantly there too, and when she joined Walking Dead i truly became a fan of hers...

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94. "Yeah that sucked"
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I thought it was very well played out though. However…..



SPOILER….






I'm glad they remixed the death and had Denise instead of Abraham. He's one of the best characters on the show and even Kirkman has stated in interviews that he regrets killing him off so early in the comics.

  

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95. "RE: F.U.!!! (Spoiler)"
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It was just another way for them to keep from killing a major character. knew she was dead as soon as they gave her all that screen time. That was supposed to be redhead. I can almost guarantee Glen won't get Lucille now.

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96. "Its hard to say"
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TWD has always killed off main characters in the past and I don't think AMC is afraid to do it. It may not play out exactly as it did in the comics and will get remixed but there should be a major death coming.

IMO, Carol, Darryl, and Glen seem the most likely at this point but who knows.

The death of Denise is a huge loss for Alexandria being that she is the only doctor in the community. Especially at a time like this when they're about to be at war with the Saviors.

  

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97. "RE: Its hard to say"
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Who's the last major character to die? Hershel? That's been a while. They keep introducing new characters just for the body count.

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98. "From Last season"
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Beth and Tyrese.

Beth was one of those characters you either hated or loved but she had been with the show since season 2.

Tyrese's death came out of nowhere and that one really hurt. I didn't like the way he went out but his death definitely had a big impact.

  

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99. "RE: From Last season"
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They weren't major. Just background characters that they tried to flesh out just before they killed them off. They did the same with Bob, Noah, Deana, ect. Bring them in, they mostly do nothing and then get a little story arc before their death.

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100. "Beth was a background character "
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for season 2 and 3. But she did have a lot of time and a couple of important story arcs for season 4 and the first half of season 5. Beth actually had a lot of fans believe it or not; her death had a pretty big impact on TWD community. There were fans petitioning to bring her back on the show (as stupid as it sounds) and other fans really wanted her and Darryl to have a romantic relationship. Hell, she had about 3 episodes or so that solely focused on her story arc.

Tyrese had a smaller role when he first appeared on the show in Season 3 but they really fleshed out his character in season 4 and the first half of Season 5. He also had a couple of episodes solely focused on his story arc.

With background characters like Bob, Deanna, Denise, Jessie, they played an important role for a handful of episodes, but they would never dedicate a full episode for them and nobody really gave a shit if they lived or died.

We'll see what happens in the season finale but I do agree with everyone that it has to be a core member of the survivors to mirror the comic death and to have that gut crushing impact on the fans.





  

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101. "nah."
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you made a bad argument, and now you're bending the truth to support it.

you can't claim hershel (who appeared in 37 episodes) was a
'major character' and then dismiss beth (50 eps) and tyreese (31)
as sacrificial redshirts on a par with deanna (14) and noah (10)

hershel, beth and tyreese all appeared in multiple story arcs
over multiple seasons, and all were credited with the main cast
in the opening titles. whereas deanna and noah never rose above
recurring / also starring, and neither even made it through a
full season of episodes. so that isn't a valid comparison.

the show's never had an issue with killing off main cast members.
any suggestion otherwise is just ignoring the facts.






>They weren't major. Just background characters that they
>tried to flesh out just before they killed them off. They did
>the same with Bob, Noah, Deana, ect. Bring them in, they
>mostly do nothing and then get a little story arc before their
>death.

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106. "RE: nah."
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>you made a bad argument, and now you're bending the truth to
>support it.
>

false

>you can't claim hershel (who appeared in 37 episodes) was a
>'major character' and then dismiss beth (50 eps) and tyreese
>(31)
>as sacrificial redshirts on a par with deanna (14) and noah
>(10)
>

I'll give you Tyreese but not Beth. The number of eps you appear in means jack if you're in the background most of those eps.T Dog was in hella eps. Hardly had any lines. Just stood in the background mostly. Dude was not a major character. Neither was Beth. They tried to flesh out her character toward the end with a few eps focused on her and Daryl and then at the hospital but by then we already knew what was up. Death wish.

All Beth did prior to them being forced out of the prison was hold baby J and sing a song here and there.

The major major characters are Rick, Carl, Carol, Daryl, Glenn, Maggie and Michonne. Until one of them dies this show has no balls.

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108. "nah."
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it's pretty straightforward.

hershel, beth and tyreese were main cast members (listed in the opening title credits)

bob, deanna and noah weren't.

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109. "Yup"
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>the show's never had an issue with killing off main cast
>members.
>any suggestion otherwise is just ignoring the facts.

There has been at least 2 main character deaths per season with the exception of season 4 ( I won't count villains, just the survivors)

We won't count season 1 since it wasn't a full season ( At least half of the Atlanta survivors died).

Season 2: Dale and Shane.

Season 3. Lori, Andrea, and *Merle (I put an asterisk on him because he started out as a villain and then ended up back with the survivors against The Governor; he also is a season 1 OG)

Season 4: Herschel

Season 5: Beth and Tyrese.

There are only 2 episodes left in season 6 and so far there have been no main character deaths. Usually at this point we would at least have 1. Hopefully the finale lives up to the hype the cast has been giving it and we should expect at least 1 huge main character death.

  

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102. "How does everyone feel about"
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***SPOILERS***



Carol's decision to leave Alexandria? Smart? A mistake? Selfish?

I wonder what her plans are exactly. Just to ride off into the sunset and try to survive on her own? Perhaps find another community to live in (the Hilltop or somewhere similar) where they just surrender to the saviors and give them what they want so she no longer has to worry about fighting or killing anymore?

  

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103. "You know what I think, lol"
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104. "I'm not totally sold on her being an idiot "
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However, I do think she's not making the right choice. I get that the wrath of all the people she has killed has taken a toll on her but if she doesn't want to kill anymore, that's fine. There are plenty of other things she can do in Alexandria. She can stay behind the scenes and in Alexandria just like Morgan.

She knows that the group will go after her despite her request to let her be. She's putting the group in danger by going after her. Especially when The Saviors are most likely on the lookout for them; there's bound to be trouble.


  

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105. "problem is she's not Morgan...."
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>She can stay behind the scenes and in Alexandria
>just like Morgan.

She wants to be different but if her people are in danger she will kill to help them. And thats what she does not want to do. Morgan on the other hand will know his friends lives are at stake & still not kill the danger because "all life is precious".

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107. "This is true"
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>>She can stay behind the scenes and in Alexandria
>>just like Morgan.
>
>She wants to be different but if her people are in danger she
>will kill to help them. And thats what she does not want to
>do. Morgan on the other hand will know his friends lives are
>at stake & still not kill the danger because "all life is
>precious".



But in this world, there will ALWAYS be threats; no matter where you end up. No matter how many resources and protection you have, nobody is ever "safe". You will have to do things you don't want to in order to survive. Carol leaving Alexandria is essentially her running away from reality.

I'm thinking that she may have lost the will to live; I just hope that she doesn't commit suicide because that would be a shitty way for her to go out.

  

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111. "yeah this s a good point... I agree..."
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>>>She can stay behind the scenes and in Alexandria
>Carol leaving
>Alexandria is essentially her running away from reality.
>

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110. "makes no damn sense..."
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she will inevitably have to kill out there...or be killed. at least in Alexandria she would do it to protect her home and her friends.

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112. "WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
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That was kinda awesome...some dumb moves...of course...but overall, i thought it was a pretty awesome set-up for the last episode of the season

  

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113. "yeah"
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Darryl ain't dead though. He most likely got shot in the shoulder.

The things to look forward to in the finale:

What happened to Carol? Will she survive? Will she be caught by the Saviors and get killed by Negan?

I wonder what's going on with Maggie. A possible miscarriage? If this is the case and Glen gets killed by Negan, that's going to be HUGE for Maggie's character moving forward.

And of course, who will bite the dust???? It's really up in the air right now.

  

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120. "RE: yeah"
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>Darryl ain't dead though. He most likely got shot in the
>shoulder.
>
>The things to look forward to in the finale:
>
>What happened to Carol? Will she survive? Will she be caught
>by the Saviors and get killed by Negan?

.....ummm...I dont think so. A Carol death would be big, but not the HUGE pop we've been waiting for since Lucille was announced.


>
>I wonder what's going on with Maggie. A possible miscarriage?
>If this is the case and Glen gets killed by Negan, that's
>going to be HUGE for Maggie's character moving forward.

...yes it would, and that's actually what I'd like to see happen.


>
>And of course, who will bite the dust???? It's really up in
>the air right now.

.....my money is still on Glen gettin' it. Altough Darryl has been the snake to their mongoose...or mongoose to their snake...I dont see him getting shot and getting his skull bashed in. They CANT kill Michonne..they kill off another black character and it'll become "Al Sharptons Action League NOW! Walking Dead"


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121. "one way that could really take it over the top...."
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since we are dealing with so many characters, some who in the comic were even already dead at this point.... what if he kills 2 people? Kills one, we are reeling from that, all of us (especially comic readers) think thats it, and them boom some one else gets it. (maybe even not at the hands of Negan) Doubt they would do that though. Guess that would be overkill.

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122. "I'm pretty sure Michonne is safe"
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They CANT kill Michonne..they kill off another
>black character and it'll become "Al Sharptons Action League
>NOW! Walking Dead"


Morgan on the other hand is a big possibility lol. May not even be by the hands of Negan.

  

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114. "Everyone is a fucking idiot and Morgan is the worst"
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lol I love this show but goddamn everyone is fucking stupid.

Using Morgan's logic on why Carl is alive.... ZERO of that occurs if Morgan kills the Wolf in the first place. Everything that happened that lead to Cute Chubby Doc living to be able to save Carl only happened because Morgan let that dude live. His breakdown of causality is fucked from jump street.

Carol. Fucking Carol. I just don't even care any more. Tying in to the above about Morgan's dumb ass... literally every time they don't kill and let shit go, it comes back and fucks them. Rick fucking gets it. Daryl fucking gets it. Speaking of Daryle....

Daryl hauls off and probably would've found them dudes just fine if left to his own devices all stealth like and shit and bodied em all in their camp. But instead we're gonna have fucking debates in the middle of ARROW THROUGH YOUR FUCKING HEAD FOR MONOLOGUING LIKE A DUMMY Land. Then, much like the zombie infection that everyone is carrying, so travels the dumbfuck infection and Daryl tries to sneak up on a camp while two people who are doing everything short of pulling out their own gags, striking up a marching band and turning on a giant neon sign to say, "Daryl don't be dumb like all of us!" ridiculously motion that he's surrounded, only to catch a bullet. Why? Why did that not happen in the last episode? What was gained by having him come back to camp and go back out? Just to swap out Abe and Eugene for Glen and Michonne? And what the fuck is fine ass Rosalita's purpose on this show exactly? AND WHERE THE FUCK IS TARA'S BIG TITTIES!? Her girl gets got and all we get is a passing comment, "Man, she's really gonna be bummed out."

I'm hoping Maggie had a miscarriage and a zombie fetus chews through her belly so we can see exactly what The Walking Dead's stance is on when life begins.

(I honestly don't hate this show but jesus christ already with silliness. I just want one season where characters that should know better by this point don't do dumb shit)

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115. "lol"
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I get that Darryl feels guilty about Denise's death but he's basically going on a suicide mission. 1 guy with a crossbow against Dwight and who knows how many saviors that are armed to the teeth? lol.

I don't get why Rosita felt compelled to go with Darryl. In regards to her point in the show, from my recollection she has a more prominent role in the comics moving forward. Hopefully she survives for the long haul cuz she bad lol. I also think the dynamic between her and Sasha should be something to look forward to also in the upcoming episodes.

Tara and Heath went on a 2 week run after they took out that Savior base. I wonder if we'll see them in the finale?

I think that Morgan would sacrifice himself for Carol if he ends up finding her and they both get captured. We'll see. His whole philosophy of "life is precious" has only brought them troubhle so far.

  

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116. "This was brilliantly funny"
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117. "This is how horror ramps up... "
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... everyone splits up like fucking morons, haha


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118. "You're 100% correct on this"
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The worst thing to do for your safety is what happens 100% of the time.

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119. "I think Alanna Masterson was giving birth RIGHT as they were taping"
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So I dont' think we'll see her reaction to Denise getting that arrow through the dome until later. Her pregnancy yams were pretty incredible though.

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138. "hear,hear, gotdamit"
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123. "What in theeeeee entire fuck did I just watch? "
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124. "I'm curious to see where this goes."
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I think this was a good episode in a lot of ways. Maybe the best of the series. It was really cool to see the strength of Negan's group. Up to this point Rick's group has been established as being really badass, so it's intriguing to see them get completely humbled by Negan (who seems very well cast).

On the other side... the build up to this death and not showing it is lame to me. As is just how Negan was 3 steps ahead of them while they're making on-the-fly decisions. HOW SWAY? Almost every member of the group (minus Morgan, Carol, and Detective Carver) leaving Alexandria to get Maggie to the doctor was conveniently dumb.

And whatever happened to the Wolves?

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It would've been just as powerful to show who caught the bat beat down,

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127. "lightweight certain Daryl bought the farm."
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my reasoning:

- killing a kid or woman would be too from their first meeting

- can't kill Rick cuz you have to manipulate him to manipulate Rick's people

- killing Eugene would be too easy as he comes across as weak, sort of the same for Glenn

- Abe has the look of a guy who'd end up being an asset to Negan

- if he killed Aaron, it'd be a cop out cuz we wouldn't really care

- Daryl is too rebellious. pretty easy to tell he'd never fall in line

- if Daryl IS dead, Morgan bringing Carol back from the "wild" will help her regain motivation again

- Norman Reedus has a new show on AMC that he hosts so...would make his work schedule way easier

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129. "All the Wolves died"
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>And whatever happened to the Wolves?

Most of them were killed in Alexandria in the 2nd Episode. The few that Morgan let go were all killed by Rick when they ambushed the RV in the 3rd episode. The lead wolf that Morgan held captive was the last remaining member which was later killed off by Carol in the Mid season opener.

  

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140. "Seriously?"
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That's lame. We never got an origin story for the group? They were never a real threat...

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154. "They were a remix"
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of a group from the comics called "The Scavengers" from the D.C. area who were pretty much a few people who would attack/steal things from different communities.

In the show, they were teased all throughout the second half of season 5. They were the group responsible for destroying Noah's community (There was the "Wolves not Far" quote spraypainted throughout the area in the background). They had a bunch of random walkers around Alexndria with "Ws" carved into their foreheads as well that let everyone know the "wolves were not far".

As far as their origin, it was pretty much explained in Morgan's first encounter with the leader in last season's finale. They're just a bunch of ruthless scavengers who will kill anyone in their path and take everything they have.

I wouldn't say that they weren't a threat. When they attacked Alexandria, it came outof nowhere and caught the community off guard. They were a prime example of what Rick was preaching to the community of why it's important to always be on your guard, what kind of threats live beyond the walls, how they need to toughen up, etc. Not to mention they were responsible for the other half of the herd getting to Alexandria and eventually inside the walls.

  

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125. "WTF!"
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128. "I was only half-watching, but did it ever explain"
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what they sprayed on that one guy?

they sprayed him , then they left,

then later they hung dude off of the bridge.

there was a lot of show to it, but I couldn't figure out why that happened at all

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131. "I don't know what the hell they sprayed"
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on dude. That shit was weird. I think the whole point of torturing that guy and then hanging him for the group to see him is a warning sign of what will happen if you don't comply with the Saviors. At least that's what I got from it.

  

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132. "people said they just sprayed an x on him"
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and you could see it when they hung him

but it still doesn't really make sense, because it's not like they were going to forget that guy or something

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139. "its so Ricks crew would know its the same guys from before"
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like a "no matter which way you go, we will be there".

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148. "how would they not have known though?"
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157. "It's so the audience would know."
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190. "but the audience couldn't see it was an X when they sprayed it"
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his face was onscreen in closeup for like three minutes, viewers didn't need an x.


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164. "I think it was a cross."
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Later we saw a body with a cross drawn next to it.

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130. "Good Finale, however"
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like most people, I didn't like the cliffhanger death. That seems to be the general consensus among TV only fans and comic fans alike.

I looked up some YouTube videos and read some reviews online after I watched the finale and it seems that a lot of people did not like Negan's introduction or Jeffrey Dean Morgan's portrayal of Negan. I felt that he did a great job. He seems a little bit more mellow than his comic book counterpart but I can live with that. A lot of viewers seemed to think that he wasn't physically imposing as they expected him to be. JDM isn't the biggest dude, but he does have the charisma and the acting chops. One thing that I do think is stupid is fans being upset at him not throwing the "F" bomb on basic cable lol. I pretty much knew that this would be the case from the jump. Maybe on the DVD/Blu Ray it will be different (it's rumored to be so) but either way, I'm OK with it. It kind of makes me wonder how much more grotesque and gory the show would be if HBO had picked up the show instead of AMC.

  

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133. "Word is they shot certain scenes with him twice"
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One for tv and one for the blu-ray

Since every other word out of the mans mouth is fuck. This will be great to see unedited. I'm just pissed off they left us hanging on the death at the end. We are all gonna continue to watch so why have all that build up and do some "find out next week on Dragon Ball Z" type shit.

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134. "I'm extremely disappointed."
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They build that up so much, and then... Blue balls? Really?

Not like we aren't going to watch TWD, but FTWD on the other hand...

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135. "Right!"
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You build up to Negan the entire second half of the season only to end it on a cliff hanger on who got killed. Felt like a real slap in the face to the devoted fans who tune in each week. I defend this show so much but this is inexcusable.

The comics ended after this death and left you wondering what will happen next, but they showed you. It was a breakthrough moment in the book, and the readers were satisfied by the ending. Do they really think no one would watch next season? The viewers go up each season so people will watch no matter what. It seemed like a ploy to get people to tune in next season which they were going to do anyway.

Piss poor decision if you ask me.

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142. "I like the way Gimple & Kirkman explained it on Talking Dead"
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they said that from a storytelling perspective, the story ends at Rick's group being defeated...to see all of them so confident and self-assured for the last 6 years...feeling good about their abilities to be autonomous and to keep each other safe...even in the episode when Rick assured Maggie that together they can do anything..and Carl echoed it...

all of that came to an end..and the group realized it...we saw them come crashing down into their new reality..

and that who died and the aftermath of that is the beginning of the next story.

as a writer, i can see where they are coming from with that.

also, from a marketing perspective, you'd much rather have your audience spend the next few months speculating over a cliffhanger, than complaining over a cast member departing

also, apparently the cast doesn't even know who gets killed. it wasn't in the scripts and it wasn't shot..which is brilliant because then nobody has to keep the secret.

they did the right thing and everyone complaining will be glued to their screens at the start of the next season.

Cliffhangers are a part of TV storytelling...EVERY show does them...(Jon snow's "death" anyone?) so i don't get why folks are that upset about it

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143. "That was a piss poor excuse"
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They had their red wedding ending like Game of Thrones, that delivered and everyone watched the very next season to see the after math.

They delivered this scene perfect in the comic and its is known as an iconic moment.

What they did here is similar to click bait on the internet. I've been with this comic since day one back in the early 2000's and have defended this show to death. This was just a poor decision on all levels. People are going to watch regardless but to end such an iconic moment on a cliff hanger just seems gimmicky as hell.

Folks are pissed that they ruined such a special moment like this.

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144. "to you, obviously..i'm fine with it. i don't have an issue w/cliffhanger..."
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>They delivered this scene perfect in the comic and its is
>known as an iconic moment.

the comic and the TV show are two completely different mediums and do not have to be identical. the fact that you seem to need it to be is part of your problem.

>What they did here is similar to click bait on the internet.
>I've been with this comic since day one back in the early
>2000's and have defended this show to death.

the show doesn't need you to defend it. it's the #1 show on television. get over yourself


This was just a
>poor decision on all levels. People are going to watch
>regardless but to end such an iconic moment on a cliff hanger
>just seems gimmicky as hell.

then your logic doesn't hold up. the fact that they (and you) obviously know people are going to watch, means that they have no need to resort to gimmicks. they have the creative freedom to tell the story in the way they choose...and from a storytelling perspective, they clearly want to define the end of one story and the beginning of another.

>Folks are pissed that they ruined such a special moment like
>this.

lol @ ruined. no. folks are pissed because they simply didn't get want they wanted. and they'll get over it.

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145. "Well the people passionate about that moment seem to be"
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They didn't fuck us on the Red Wedding in game of thrones because that was a iconic moment and turning point in the story.

They screwed us over here because AMC tends to be shitty with their story, and the fact that the majority seems to be upset over this stupid decision says something.

You loved it, hooray.

Others felt it was a gimmicky and lessened the true impact that this scene could have, and should have made.

Don't see anyone saying it was amazing, just seeing a ton of people saying they destroyed this moment.

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146. "."
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147. "'most people said it was terrible' isn't a valid argument to me"
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as if "the people" can't ever be misguided or wrong lol

so either you hated it because YOU hated it, or because everybody else did and that just seems like it's the 'thing to do'....cuz when you bring up what others are saying, it makes it seems like the latter.

i'm simply saying that i appreciate the slow, tension-building pace of the storytelling and i enjoy delayed gratification...cliffhangers are exciting to me. i don't have to get everything i want out of a TV show all the time...sometimes its about the story the writers want to tell. since i'm not writing, i feel like i can't expect it to be what i need it to be. i don't subscribe to the ideas that the writers SHOULD do what the fans want. no.

but that's just me. yes, i'm aware of that. so?

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165. "please stop"
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Anyone that has been on this forum for longer than a little bit knows you Jock whatever is popular

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180. "RE: to you, obviously..i'm fine with it. i don't have an issue w/cliffha..."
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>>Folks are pissed that they ruined such a special moment like
>>this.
>
>lol @ ruined. no. folks are pissed because they simply didn't
>get want they wanted. and they'll get over it.

Yeah it actually was ruined for me. I'm not expecting the show to be exactly like the comic. But the point of the scene in the comic was very important and is completely lost now.

The group watching one of their own being beaten to death, and showing the brutality was a huge turning point in the story, and defined not only Negan, but further developed the main group's characters.

Not showing the death isn't annoying me because I don't know who they killed, it's annoying me because they threw out a vital character and story defining moment.

We've seen members of their group die before. But it was HOW this one happened that really mattered. And the difficulty of actually watching it that was really important. Taking that out ruins it's impact on the story.

But like Glenn hiding under that trash bin at the end of last season, it'll get people talking online, which is apparently what they value most.

  

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149. "nah, there's a cliffhanger, and there's a fuck you"
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they've established all season "neegan kills one of you, right off, to show how it will go"

that it would happen is unavoidable, the q was who and.....wait 6 months.

the story should be good enough to hold up without this kind ofcheap trick....but it isn't

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152. "Exactly"
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There could have still been a cliff hanger but his was a giant middle finger to the viewers. Almost insulting. A cliff hanger we can deal with, but ruining such an important and game changing scene with this "find out next season" crap is not excusable. It's not that there was a cliff hanger that got fans upset, it's the fact that they chose to hang it right there instead of after that cheapens the death of one of these characters.

People gonna watch reguardless but to build up to this moment and just cut it off is epic levels of trolling and just lazy.

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153. "I hear you, but I disagree. they promised Negan would kill someone"
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he did. it happened...they never promised we'd get to see it when WE want to see it lol

i don't see it as a fuck you...but i get why folks do. to me, it's fun...i like the anticipation

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160. "not only that but we were robbed of the immediate reactions"
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I bet the next season starts with them walking around Alexandria like any normal day. Gardening and taking their shifts in the watch rotation. Then we will see the closest friend of whoever got killed in their room or house sitting in the dark.

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163. "yup, the story is just becoming a circular rehash of the same shit"
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Last nights episode was the perfect example, they basically do the same thing a bunch of times, wasted an extra half hour for nothing that did anything to add to the story & ended it with a cheap gimmick because, guess what, they're out of ideas & if Kirkman has any he'll use them in the comic instead of the show

This shit was so bad I considered stopping reading the damn comic too because Kirkman tried to pimp us with this bullshit

I mean I don't even wanna watch Outcast on Cinemax now bc dude just lost all types of trust with this terrible shit

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166. "and it would've been so easy to do it right"
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all they had to add was a single shot -- a reaction closeup on whoever negan picked -- and then go right into the POV beatdown. that would've been 1000x better. what a shitty artistic decision.

however they end up starting s7, it can't help but be anticlimactic. and there's absolutely no way that the payoff doesn't get leaked prior to the premiere. it'll come out somehow. smfh.

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168. "yup"
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>all they had to add was a single shot -- a reaction closeup
>on whoever negan picked -- and then go right into the POV
>beatdown. that would've been 1000x better.

I agree with this; and then start season 7 off by actually showing the character getting their head bashed in and then everyone else's reaction to it. It looks like that's how they will start off season 7 anyway according to interviews with Gimple. The only thing is we'll now know who gets killed (we will all probably know by then since it will most likely be leaked once filming starts).

  

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172. "RE: and it would've been so easy to do it right"
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>there's absolutely no way that the payoff
>doesn't get leaked prior to the premiere. it'll come out
>somehow. smfh.

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178. "And I dont see the reason why. It kills their momentum"
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A vicious death would have been a good pallete cleanse and we would have been invested to see how Rick gets revenge/they deal with it because ultimately after all these years these are 'our' family too.

Instead, we start with an 'oh, that's who died' because all that tension built in within the show for the show was wasted; when it comes back the impact of the death is going to feel like a spoiler you read on social media then something built up to since we are going to be six months removed from all that build up.

A cliffhanger like that can work on tv if its a major change in the status quo and they are trying to clear the slate for next season. Unfortunately like Damali mentioned above they made it a point to already set the theme for at least the first couple of upcoming episodes.

  

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136. "that shit was wack as hell"
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And I'm normally a staunch defender of the show

Just dumb repetitive BS followed by a shitty cliffhanger

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137. "Had me till the ending"
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I was willing to overlook the Saviors being at every spot before them, but that ending man.

Just do it and show the aftermath, no need for the cliffhanger.


So we getting Ezekiel next season after all?

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141. "looks like it.."
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>So we getting Ezekiel next season after all?

we better be getting Shiva too.

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151. "RE: looks like it.."
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>>So we getting Ezekiel next season after all?
>
>we better be getting Shiva too.
>
i'm curious on how they're going toe able to swing Shiva

  

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175. "would have to be CGI... unless they.."
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change her from a tiger to something more manageable like a wolf. Where they could use a large dog and a lil cgi like the Dire Wolves from thrones. I want my tiger though! lol

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187. "Maybe for certain scenes"
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they can have an actual tiger and add in CGI for the action sequences. It has to be a tiger though lol.

I wonder who will get cast as Ezekiel.

  

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150. "RE: Had me till the ending"
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>I was willing to overlook the Saviors being at every spot
>before them, but that ending man.
>

what was the problem with this? there were only a few routes to get to the Hilltop, which the Saviors definitely had covered, and Rick's group was being herded like cattle. Like the guy said, "You'll get to where you're going." Every obstacle they ran into was larger and more intimidating. It was like a rope slowly being tightened around the group's neck. I'm pretty sure they would've been grabbed immediately if they tried to return to Alexandria, just like Eugene was. There was no way they were not meeting Negan that day. That being said, they shit the bed with the ending.

  

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156. "shit was wack..."
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The Carol and Morgan story? Come on man...that was just there to stretch the hour out.

The Saviors knowing that "okay, todays the day that theyre going to take that gal to the Hilltop...lets block all the roads"..bullshit.

Not even gonna mention the copout at the end.

Imma say this tho..


THEY BETTER START THE NEXT SEASON LIKE THIS:

"The Walking Dead starts in

10,9,8,7,6,5,4,3,2,1...now....

..if he cries, take his other eye and feed it to his daddy"


I dont want no flashback..or showing them walking back to Alexandria sad cause "someone" got killed.

We better see the moment that this beating happens.





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158. "RE: shit was wack..."
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>The Carol and Morgan story? Come on man...that was just there
>to stretch the hour out.


I honestly thought that savior might've killed Carol right there. That was pretty intense IMO. I liked that portion of the story. Morgan had to break his code to protect someone that he cared about just like Carol was saying. I wasn't sure that Morgan was going to survive but now that he is, this moment will be key for his character development moving forward. Also, they used their storyline to tie-in the new community that will be introduced in season 7.

>The Saviors knowing that "okay, todays the day that theyre
>going to take that gal to the Hilltop...lets block all the
>roads"..bullshit.

The saviors had known that the group was out there. The group has killed so many of their people they had to have been patrolling the area heavy. Since they have so many people, they could spread them out everywhere to make sure that no matter where they turn, they'[ll run into the saviors. I'm sure if they tried to head back to Alexandria, they would've run into another blockade.

  

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161. "RE: shit was wack..."
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>>The Saviors knowing that "okay, todays the day that theyre
>>going to take that gal to the Hilltop...lets block all the
>>roads"..bullshit.
>
>The saviors had known that the group was out there. The group
>has killed so many of their people they had to have been
>patrolling the area heavy. Since they have so many people,
>they could spread them out everywhere to make sure that no
>matter where they turn, they'>sure if they tried to head back to Alexandria, they would've
>run into another blockade.

The Saviors were most likely watching Alexandria and radio'd ahead for the setup. isn't that how it went down in the comics?

  

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162. "You might be right"
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It's been a while since I read this part of the comics so I don't remember that specific detail. It isn't a stretch through because the Saviors have mentioned they know where Alexndria is. Also, with the numbers they have and equipment (we do know they communicate with each other via walkie talkies), it is definitely possible.

  

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176. "You know this is EXACTLY whats going to happen..."
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>I dont want no flashback..or showing them walking back to
>Alexandria sad cause "someone" got killed.

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181. "Or more insulting..."
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They're going to go back and tell us the story of Daryl, Michonne and Glenn and fine ass Rosita in that goddamn van and show us the whole Negan scene again and not say who died until the end of the episode.

Or they'll come back and the premiere will be Gabriel in Alexandria and Carol and Morgan on horseback and not even mention who died until episode two.

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183. "I hope not"
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I've read a couple of interviews from Greg Nicotero, Scott Gimple, and Gale Ann Hurd and they all claim that we will find out who was killed in the premiere. I'm hoping we get it right away. Just like the opening scene of Season 6 Episode 7 when we find out Glen was alive.

Another interesting thing is apparently, only a handful of the TWD crew know who was killed (the writers, etc.). Greg Nicotero said that he's not even sure if the actor who is killed knows.

  

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174. "RE: Had me till the ending"
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Rick and the crew explicitly stated there were multiple routes to Hilltop and they were at every one of them. Some routes were taken (like at night) off the main trail.

Ok - maybe as a viewer I am underestimating the Saviors numbers or it's just a somewhat lazy and convenient way to tell the story.

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155. "So what does everyone think of Jeffrey Dean Morgan"
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as Negan? Did he do the role justice? I know he was only on for a few minutes at the end but I've read a lot of reviews/comments were people were not happy with this casting. I personally feel AMC did a great job with casting him as Negan and can't wait to see him in the show moving forward.

  

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167. "he was believable when talking but his movement & body language are off "
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170. "i wish he'd been clean shaven (he even made a joke about it)"
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but other than that, i thought he was perfect and really owned that scene. great casting. maybe jon hamm would've been better but i'm good with it.

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171. "Oh he's perfect"
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And it's upsetting because he's going to be too good and I lovejeffery dean Morgan
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177. "only down side is he is too skinny...."
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not just took skinny to be Negan but he looks thinner than Ive ever see him be. But besides that he is perfect.

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184. "he got the grin down"
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186. "i like it...not how i pictured Negan..."
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but it works really well for the show...far better than what they did for the Governor

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159. "Fucking Trevor."
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Do you think Michael and Franklin survived the Zombie Apocalypse too?

Here's my thoughts on who bit it....

- It ain't Carl. They telegraphed it way too much. From his boo thang's "What if you don't come back?" to Negan's recognizing he's Rick's kid.

- It ain't Daryl. Not as long as the dude who stole his bike and shot him is alive. That dude is getting clapped back on.

- I don't think it's a chick. Just the way he spoke after the first hit about taking it like a champ or whatever gave me that feeling, though I wouldn't go all in on that speculation.

- It ain't Eugene or guy who I never remember his name. Because either of those two would be a hilarious cop out.

- I don't think it's Abe. They spent way too long this season with his death wish for him to go out.

- I think they stuck with the books. I think it's Glenn. He's the only one who makes sense in that situation.

Episode was alright. Cliffhanger is dumb as fuck, but it doesn't surprise me that they did it that way. If anything, my complaint is that there was no reason that episode had to be 90 mins.

Also, fuck Carol.

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185. "This makes a lot of sense to me."
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If they do pull the trigger on this though, it just exacerbates how lame the mid-season story was about how people thought he died.

  

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192. "I originally was thinking Maggie..../Did they give it away? *link*"
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....until the end of the last episode. Once they established her having complications, I knew it wasn't her. But it seems the Glenn guess might be on point....

http://io9.gizmodo.com/we-may-already-know-who-died-in-that-annoying-walking-d-1769096667

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196. "I think it's either..."
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Glenn or Abe.


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169. "How far did Eugene get? Lol... looked like he drove 100 ft..."
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and got hemmed up. Smh.

He thought he did good too! lol

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173. "LMAO A fan edited ending that was better than the original"
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AMC will prob pull this soon but at least this was done better than the original if this is who bites it for real.

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179. "LOL That was well done...."
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actually woulda been a perfect ending...

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182. "Another one with reactions"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mk2uPEYPmE

Crazy how a random person can edit an ending together better than the show runners

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189. "There was a lot of perspective views...the premiere will...."
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Show what happened with the audience looking at who was in the van, seeing who Neegan was pointing the bat at, see that person man up before being hit etc.

Also, I think there is a mole at Alexandria. Neegans crew had to know that there was an emergency (i.e. pregnant lady) that they were going to attempt every route possible to go somewhere. How did they know they weren't just out on a run, or looking for gas etc.

  

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191. "That would be interesting"
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>Also, I think there is a mole at Alexandria. Neegans crew had
>to know that there was an emergency (i.e. pregnant lady) that
>they were going to attempt every route possible to go
>somewhere. How did they know they weren't just out on a run,
>or looking for gas etc.

Or if The Saviors made it to Alexandria once the group left and they forced Gabriel or Spencer to tell them were they were going.

I don't think that's the case though. The Saviors know where Alexandria is and likely have spies watching their every move. I'm pretty sure they have set up blockades in every direction: North, South, East, West and communicated with each other which way they were headed to make sure they wouldn't get away.

  

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193. "RE: There was a lot of perspective views...the premiere will...."
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> I think there is a mole at Alexandria.

Old girl trapped in the closet?

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194. "Can we talk about the other magnificent ways this episode sucks"
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and how they found a way to kill so much of the good will t they got with what was up to this point a strong season.

Carl arguing with his girlfriend who I don't even know the name of because she's not a real human being, just a plot device. Her character isn't consistent at all depending on how the writers need her.

Speaking of couples arguing, Morgan and his new boo. Morgan's conversion into Mormonism was organic and consistently true to his character. Carol went from abused wife, to rightfully depressed widow mourning the death of her kids, to finding her worth as a survivor, to the ultimate mother hen badass. Her morals, world view, etc..reflected what she went through and it resulted in the best character development of the show. However Morgan hits her with the church of latter day saints game and she's suicidal? While the show has always made it a point to have characters with varying viewpoints of morality to balance out the gun ho characters this was a waste and unearned.

Speaking of unearned character development, LOLZ @ Carver the Priest being in charge of Alexandria after years of sabotaging the group. Even Eugene has eased more into a warrior/survivor role, homie went from crying to seeing a gun to 15 kill Call of Duty winstreaks.

However, there is light at the end of the tunnel, they casted motherfucking Trevor as Negan's #2!

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195. "The Carol change has been the biggest writing sin of the series. "
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197. "She's was the best character on top a unique portrayal of feminity"
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Ofttimes female bad ass characters tend to be 'one of the guys' speaking with the gravelly voice (sorry Michonne). She was none of that and was a unique archtype in tv land until the writers decided they hated her.

Now she's a side plot point used to help them hit their minutes they need to have a finished episode.

  

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205. "yeah it's terrible..."
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i don't get how people are trying to convince themselves that it makes even the slightest bit of sense...the writers just seem to either get bored with or have doubts about the direction they've taken a character or the storyline overall and randomly change things.

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198. "My recap of most of the second half of the season"
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Character: I've got to leave the camp
Rick or other character: NO! It's not safe. I won't allow it. Over my dead body.
Character: I must insist that I leave!
Rick or other character: Ok. If you insist.

Then something bad happens to said character and/or the other folks who try to save them.

Repeat.


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199. "That really only happened"
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in the episode prior to the finale. Morgan and Rick went after Carol. Michonne, Glenn, and Rosita went after Darryl.

  

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200. "A variation of this happened with.... "
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Denise (killed),
Darryl (captured and others captured)
Maggie (captured and got Carol Captured)
Aaron (captured)
Carol (captured)
Enid (with the variation of nothing bad happened),
Spencer (with the variation of nothing bad happened) and
Eugene (with the variation he decided outside the safe zone he could travel by himself in the danger zone).



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201. "Kudos to the Flyers trolling the shit outta Glenn *link*"
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Too bad we lost.


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202. "Philly has no chill!"
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LOL! Hilarious

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203. "this show doesn't know what it wants to be..."
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it often switches up it's character's motivations and flip flops on themes it establishes for seemingly no other reason than to drag things out as far as possible.

This is why it often seems to get terrible as soon as it starts getting good...i've come to expect it now but it really used to piss me off.

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207. "I already stated it in other posts (#79 & #82)..."
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but, despite what some want to keep trumpeting here, Carol's change makes sense. Whether you like it or not is a different story. It's fine if you don't, I'm not trying to change your mind on that, but trying to claim it's for "seemingly no other reason" is patently false.

Out of all the characters, we may have seen Carol change the most. Abused wife, grieving mother, finding solace in the group, then becoming one of its protectors. The constant in her surroundings was the sense of persistent danger. But when the group arrived in Alexandria, that started to change. Different characters experienced it at different speeds, but everyone in Rick's group came around to the notion that they were finally.... home.

Once they had gotten over the dual crises of the collapsing wall and the Wolves, we started the second half of the season (IIRC) with a scene of Carol baking cookies. We see her enjoy something that made her forget she's in a zombie apocalypse. We also see her mourn Sam, the little kid that she took pleasure in terrifying, who basically died exactly like how she described. Do all the Carol naysayers forget that happened? She was directly involved in the kid basically going into shock, then he DIED (leading to his whole family then dying). Is Carol not allowed to feel guilt over this happening? Especially since at that time in the story, several weeks (months?) had passed since the Wolves invaded. She actually had time to reflect on her actions because she was no longer in "must survive" mode.

Then when the Saviors came around, we saw them humanized before Carol mashed on them all. I agree that the writing in this show can be real shit, but that was a fantastic parallel to Rick's group that they were survivors themselves. Carol saw this, thus deepening the guilt she felt when she had to kill to protect those she cared about. This is also when she found a rosary, of all things.

Someone commented above that Morgan was the (illogical) reason for her change, and while I agree he's a factor, I view him more as that persistent symbol to Carol that someone CAN exist without taking any more life. She just can't deal with it like Morgan. I agree that her leaving felt weak, but the journey leading up to that point was rock solid. Divest what you think Carol *should* be from what she actually *is*.


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208. "agree to disagree...i was just talking about Carol either"
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209. "I feel like you're talking about things that weren't really in script"
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While it would have been nice of you to have helped them convey all of that in the writers room, I think you are giving them way too much credit in subtle character changes:

>Out of all the characters, we may have seen Carol change the
>most. Abused wife, grieving mother, finding solace in the
>group, then becoming one of its protectors.

Agreed


>The constant in
>her surroundings was the sense of persistent danger. But when
>the group arrived in Alexandria, that started to change.
>Different characters experienced it at different speeds, but
>everyone in Rick's group came around to the notion that they
>were finally.... home.

I rock with this except the characters did not change the way you describe. Rick found time to fuck, but he's still the same dude who beats people to death (remember his introduction to the people of Hilltop). There's more evidence on the script of the OPPOSITE happening...the townspeople of Alexandria becoming militarized, etc. Only exception would be Abraham, but they made it more of a romantic thing then him feeling 'at home'


> We see her enjoy
>something that made her forget she's in a zombie apocalypse.
>We also see her mourn Sam, the little kid that she took
>pleasure in terrifying, who basically died exactly like how
>she described. Do all the Carol naysayers forget that
>happened?

This was clunkily handled though; you have a character that murdered two children no problem, who's witnessed tons of death, who also previously terrorized kids to 'toughen then up' (who also subsequently died violently) with no remorse, lol. Even with her mourning Sam it was hard to feel connected (like you point out this could be because of the shit writing/directing). However, and please correct me if I am wrong, I remember there was a good period of time between Sam's death and her 'conversion' with Morgan. Remember she was absolute in her feelings enough where they were having an all and out brawl during the period that you are saying she was mourning Sam. -EDIT- totally wrong on this, my earlier point on how she went through a similar situation with Sam previously remains though


>Then when the Saviors came around, we saw them humanized
>before Carol mashed on them all.

She was already 'good' Carol by the time the Savior raid happened though hence her hesitation at the raid before hand. And they weren't really humanized; all the other savior run ins made them look like assholes which is why Rick was able to convince them. The savior massacre was less about humanizing the Saviors(hence the baseball bat torture pictures) but more to ask the audience "is cold blooded murder cool?" "Even if they are 'assholes'?"

>this show can be real shit, but that was a fantastic parallel
>to Rick's group that they were survivors themselves. Carol
>saw this, thus deepening the guilt she felt when she had to
>kill to protect those she cared about.

Conjecture your honor. Not in the script, lol.

>
>Someone commented above that Morgan was the (illogical) reason
>for her change, and while I agree he's a factor, I view him
>more as that persistent symbol to Carol that someone CAN exist
>without taking any more life.

He was more then a symbol. Again, pre Morgan confrontation she was 100% "I will not hestitate to kill my loved ones". Post Morgan confrontation, totally different character.

  

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210. "RE: I feel like you're talking about things that weren't really in scrip..."
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>
>>The constant in
>>her surroundings was the sense of persistent danger. But
>when
>>the group arrived in Alexandria, that started to change.
>>Different characters experienced it at different speeds, but
>>everyone in Rick's group came around to the notion that they
>>were finally.... home.
>
>I rock with this except the characters did not change the way
>you describe. Rick found time to fuck, but he's still the same
>dude who beats people to death (remember his introduction to
>the people of Hilltop).

We saw Rick change. In prior seasons he became the "take no chances guy" then in the second half of this season he was on scouting missions with Daryl to recruit people to Alexandria. He was more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt (Jesus & Hilltop). Yes, he's still highly protective against threats (e.g., neck stabbing), but his first impressions of people are no longer "kill on sight". Look at what happened with Jesus... old Rick would have killed Jesus outright. THAT was his introduction to Hilltop.

Darryl and Michonne were some of the first people in the group to seek comfort in a safe haven. Gabriel, Carol and Morgan came around later. Enid came around too; while she wasn't part of Rick's original group, it was clear she was used to living in similarly constant danger.

>There's more evidence on the script
>of the OPPOSITE happening...the townspeople of Alexandria
>becoming militarized, etc.

I mean... are we watching the same thing? The original Alexandrians and Rick's group were living entirely different lives. They had electricity and walls, Rick's group had the Governor and cannibals. The whole 1.5 seasons of storyline has been about Rick teaching survival and Alexandria teaching Rick about stability.

Gabriel was the closest to an Alexandrian in Rick's group, because he was living in relative safety without needing to resort to violence. Him coming around (militarily) paralleled the shift for the Alexandrians.

>Only exception would be Abraham,
>but they made it more of a romantic thing then him feeling 'at
>home'

Thanks for mentioning this, because it highlights that comfort people feel when romantic relationships tend to happen. When Glenn met Maggie, there was an illusion of safety at the farm (as opposed to camping in the woods and a blown up CDC). With Abraham, Rick and Carol, they found romance when they weren't in constant threat of running for their lives.

Did you seriously want every single character to have an explicit line of dialogue saying "I'm safe! I'm home!" What happened to "show, don't tell"? Different characters experienced safety in different ways.



>This was clunkily handled though; you have a character that
>murdered two children no problem, who's witnessed tons of
>death, who also previously terrorized kids to 'toughen then
>up' (who also subsequently died violently) with no remorse,
>lol.

Context matters. And she didn't kill both, Carol killed one when she saw her KILL HER OWN SISTER.

And again, like we both agree, Carol's gone through the most change. She was a different person and in a different environment when those killings occurred, correct? The same is true when she's been living in tranquility for months, which is an eternity in zombie apocalypse time. Different person, different environment.


> Even with her mourning Sam it was hard to feel connected
>(like you point out this could be because of the shit
>writing/directing).

Probably because Sam was written to be a whiny shit. It's fine to disdain him when we're on the outside looking in, but I'm willing to accept at face value the possibility of a kid scared to come down the stairs. We didn't mourn Sam because *we* didn't care about Sam, but just because *we* don't mourn him doesn't mean we should discount when Carol clearly does.

However, and please correct me if I am
>wrong, I remember there was a good period of time between
>Sam's death and her 'conversion' with Morgan.

Agreed on the period of time. Disagree on Morgan "converting" her.

When the Wolves were resolved, several weeks/months passed, bringing us into the start of the second half of the season.

Morgan never converted her, even apparently until the very end when he killed someone. He wanted to talk to her, she wouldn't let him, remember? She came on her feelings of her own accord (the kill journal, the cookies, the rosary, the Saviors she killed, Tobin, etc.).

Remember she
>was absolute in her feelings enough where they were having an
>all and out brawl during the period that you are saying she
>was mourning Sam.

Brawl = first half of season
Several weeks of tranquility = season break
Mourning Sam = second half of season

The timeline makes sense. She was absolute in her feelings in the first half, then long period of safety and reflection, then change in feelings and character. Not sure how much more clear I can get than that.


>She was already 'good' Carol by the time the Savior raid
>happened though hence her hesitation at the raid before hand.

Agreed, she was "good" Carol at the start of the second season.

>And they weren't really humanized; all the other savior run
>ins made them look like assholes which is why Rick was able to
>convince them. The savior massacre was less about humanizing
>the Saviors(hence the baseball bat torture pictures) but more
>to ask the audience "is cold blooded murder cool?" "Even if
>they are 'assholes'?"

Disagree vehemently. There were several scenes in the Maggie/Carol episode that devoted time to give color to their Savior captors. I'm going to requote myself from post #79:

"Note that each captor was humanized with some glimpse into their backstory. They weren't aimless killers like the Wolves, they were normal people hardened by their environment. I think it was purposeful that the captors didn't do much to Carol and Maggie outside of hollow threats, yet they were still brutally slaughtered to a man."

As far as the torture pictures, yeah, that's one guy with those pictures. It's a big group, there are bound to be a couple assholes (in this case, including the leader). Remember Merle? He wasn't exactly the picture of positivity himself, and he was part of the group for a long time. But just because there are assholes doesn't mean the whole group is. The redheaded chick that Carol pushed into zombies seemed entirely reasonable. Same thing with smoky chick that got eaten. The whole point of TWD is exploring that grey area morality, which this season has done extremely well. Imagine if the show was from the perspective of the Saviors this whole time...


>>to Rick's group that they were survivors themselves. Carol
>>saw this, thus deepening the guilt she felt when she had to
>>kill to protect those she cared about.
>
>Conjecture your honor. Not in the script, lol.


Silly sarcasm. Show, don't tell, remember? Are we supposed to applaud the writing if Carol says "I hate myself!!!" every time she murders someone she has to, to survive? That would be really fucking lame. There's a reason why they showed close ups of the rosary. Why they showed her writing names (and numbers) in a journal. Why she told Daryl she couldn't do this anymore. Why Carol is flooded in tears before she blasts all those dudes (hint: she's crying for multiple reasons).

Seriously, are we watching the same show? I get that people are all up in arms Carol is getting "sawft" because she's a fan favorite, but does it also make people blind to what is actually happening on screen? Again, divest who you think Carol *should* be with who she actually *is*.


>He was more then a symbol. Again, pre Morgan confrontation
>she was 100% "I will not hestitate to kill my loved ones".
>Post Morgan confrontation, totally different character.

I addressed this above and gave multiple reasons. Morgan didn't convert her, she experienced the change herself. She didn't even give Morgan the time of day. IIRC, there was never a hint they spoke after the brief encounter at Sam's grave until the time Morgan started chasing after her. In the interim, Carol went through a LOT of shit to reinforce the change in her character during the season break.

  

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211. "I understood carol's motivations"
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but I thought it was poorly outlined in the show

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212. "Fair enough, totally reasonable. "
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I got zero issues with subjective opinions on the quality, I just find it curious when people think such a pivotal change in character happened out of nowhere.

  

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213. "No I don't buy it. "
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>Once they had gotten over the dual crises of the collapsing
>wall and the Wolves, we started the second half of the season
>(IIRC) with a scene of Carol baking cookies. We see her enjoy
>something that made her forget she's in a zombie apocalypse.

She also killed a zombie will baking cookies and walked around with Zombie blood on her clothes like it wasn't anything. I thought the scene established a sense of setting up a sense of normalcy with killing zombies. Not that she forgot she's in a zombie apocalypse.


>We also see her mourn Sam, the little kid that she took
>pleasure in terrifying, who basically died exactly like how
>she described. Do all the Carol naysayers forget that
>happened? She was directly involved in the kid basically
>going into shock, then he DIED (leading to his whole family
>then dying). Is Carol not allowed to feel guilt over this
>happening? Especially since at that time in the story,
>several weeks (months?) had passed since the Wolves invaded.
>She actually had time to reflect on her actions because she
>was no longer in "must survive" mode.

Well we as viewers were inside Sam's head but I don't think there is any obvious reason why she would connect her talks with Sam with Sam's death. But okay.


>
>Then when the Saviors came around, we saw them humanized
>before Carol mashed on them all.

I think they did a lousy job at this. I think it would have made a lot of sense for Carol to walk out of that situation thinking we are as bad as the Saviors or the Wolves but they really didn't deliver this from a storytelling perspective. Like it could have been done. Maggie was connecting with the hot girl who lost a finger but rather than build on that next scene maggie was free and then they were killing her.

I agree that the writing in
>this show can be real shit, but that was a fantastic parallel
>to Rick's group that they were survivors themselves. Carol
>saw this, thus deepening the guilt she felt when she had to
>kill to protect those she cared about. This is also when she
>found a rosary, of all things.

The problem is that she arrived at this position after her people kept getting killed. Something we've seen time and time again.

It would make so much more sense if she arrived at this position after killing someone she identified with as human. Never saw that. There was an opportunity for that with the Savior women, but it didn't happen. ( Also there was sloppy storytelling because it wasn't clear whether Carol was acting sympathetic to get an advantage with the women Savior women or whether was genuine emotions. Good storytelling could blur that line and had subtle ambiguity around this but this show doesn't have that so it's just sloppy. ) To arrive at her position that all life is precious after a bunch of her people get killed doesn't make sense.



>
>Someone commented above that Morgan was the (illogical) reason
>for her change, and while I agree he's a factor, I view him
>more as that persistent symbol to Carol that someone CAN exist
>without taking any more life.

The problem with this from a storytelling perspective is that the show has consistently shown, from the first season that this point of view is wrong. Rick has had this internal debate several times and now he is way closer to the take no chance camp. Even his experience with Jesus doesn't really show that it changed his perspective, instead, that was followed with killing folks in their sleep.

We as omniscient viewers have seen Morgan's all life is precious doesn't work and the show constantly beats us over the head with it. If Darryl had killed dwight, they all would have been a lot better off.

We were giving that one instance with the Wolf who end up saving the doctor but that just wasn't a big enough moment. I never got the sense he did it out of the goodness of his heart. He wanted to take a doctor back to his camp.

Then the first day out of camp what happens? She has to kill like 6 people. Her new POV makes no sense unless she wants to die.


BTW, I think it would have made alot more sense if she pulled a Tyreese and just gave up and wanted to die. She's been through enough where that would make sense and it would make her silly wandering around make more sense.


She just can't deal with it
>like Morgan. I agree that her leaving felt weak, but the
>journey leading up to that point was rock solid. Divest what
>you think Carol *should* be from what she actually *is*.
>
>
>edited for typos

You'll not find a single other critic or commentator who will think the transformation was Rock solid. If we saw her do something that tested even her morals up to that point, I would get it. Even the idea that she had time to reflect on it with the stability of Alexandria doesn't make sense because she bailed on the squad in the middle of the build up to war with the Saviors (how much stability has there been in Alexandria by the way? Seems like they are under constant threat). She left a lot of people hanging.

The other thing that sucks is that they have written themselves into a corner. If she goes back to bad ass Carol that's just retreading. Doesn't seem like much to do with her but kill her off.





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214. "RE: No I don't buy it. "
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>She also killed a zombie will baking cookies and walked around
>with Zombie blood on her clothes like it wasn't anything. I
>thought the scene established a sense of setting up a sense of
>normalcy with killing zombies. Not that she forgot she's in a
>zombie apocalypse.

I didn't use "forgot" in a literal sense, I meant it as a temporary respite from reality.

And you're talking about killing zombies, which she's never had an issue with. It's the human killings she's grappling with.


>Well we as viewers were inside Sam's head but I don't think
>there is any obvious reason why she would connect her talks
>with Sam with Sam's death. But okay.

No obvious reason? She was standing at Sam's grave and there was a close up of a cookie at his grave. And the reason why she threatened him in the first place is because he wanted more of her cookies (then caught her stealing guns).

http://i.imgur.com/1n70MC2.jpg

Seriously, there can't be a less obvious connection on her being affected by his death.

>I think they did a lousy job at this. I think it would have
>made a lot of sense for Carol to walk out of that situation
>thinking we are as bad as the Saviors or the Wolves but they
>really didn't deliver this from a storytelling perspective.
>Like it could have been done. Maggie was connecting with the
>hot girl who lost a finger but rather than build on that next
>scene maggie was free and then they were killing her.

Did you miss the scenes she had with Glenn and Daryl? Carol was directly affected by killing the Saviors and tells Glenn "I can't do this anymore." Daryl asks her what'd they do to them and she responds with: “To us? They didn’t do anything to us.”

http://tvline.com/2016/03/20/walking-dead-recap-season-6-episode-14-carol-leaves-melissa-mcbride/

This is also the episode she finds the rosary, and is holding it so tightly her hand starts bleeding, setting the stage for her departure from the group.


>The problem is that she arrived at this position after her
>people kept getting killed. Something we've seen time and
>time again.

Not sure what your point is with this. Her people got killed during the Wolves/horde crises. The group resolved it, then we go into the midseason break. When we start the second half of the season, it's clear that a significant amount of time has passed in relative peace. She has time to bake cookies and have a side piece while Rick goes from someone that wants to kill strangers to wanting to recruit them. We also see her refer to her kill journal and mourn Sam.

That's not a "problem", that's an organic character progression from living without conflict and strife for a significant amount of time. Everyone is so set on focusing on what's happening on screen they don't realize that the turning point for some of these characters happened off screen.


>It would make so much more sense if she arrived at this
>position after killing someone she identified with as human.
>Never saw that. There was an opportunity for that with the
>Savior women, but it didn't happen. ( Also there was sloppy
>storytelling because it wasn't clear whether Carol was acting
>sympathetic to get an advantage with the women Savior women or
>whether was genuine emotions. Good storytelling could blur
>that line and had subtle ambiguity around this but this show
>doesn't have that so it's just sloppy. ) To arrive at her
>position that all life is precious after a bunch of her people
>get killed doesn't make sense.

It did make sense, she killed numerous humans when the Wolves invaded, then we go into the midseason break. We come back, she has doubts, then the Saviors happen, and it reinforces her doubts (see the quote to Daryl above). I stated all this in post #210 as well.


>The problem with this from a storytelling perspective is that
>the show has consistently shown, from the first season that
>this point of view is wrong. Rick has had this internal
>debate several times and now he is way closer to the take no
>chance camp.

Seriously, are we watching the same show? You can't view these characters in a vacuum, you need to view them in context. We saw Rick vs Shane, then Rick becomes like Shane, then he gets to Alexandria and he teaches them to be like Shane. Again, midseason break, turning point for Rick and Carol. Rick now wants *more* people in Alexandria.

>Even his experience with Jesus doesn't really
>show that it changed his perspective, instead, that was
>followed with killing folks in their sleep.

Remember the context though. Just like in real life, people change according to their surroundings. Rick went back to his "kill em all" ways because he felt the threat from the Saviors AND found a way to resolve their resource shortcomings. His issue was never with killing people, but rather his ability to accommodate outsiders. Don't conflate his character shifts with Carol's. Carol is the one that can't kill anymore, not Rick.


>We as omniscient viewers have seen Morgan's all life is
>precious doesn't work and the show constantly beats us over
>the head with it. If Darryl had killed dwight, they all would
>have been a lot better off.

Did we watch the same finale? Morgan just killed a dude to save Carol. Stop trying to assume that there's only ONE "right way" in this world. There are risks and rewards for the various viewpoints, the only thing that's consistent is there are consequences for every decision. If Rick had just blasted Jesus, would the group be better off? Maybe the Saviors go on the offense to defend Hilltop and they're the ones killing Alexandrians in their sleep. Who knows?


>We were giving that one instance with the Wolf who end up
>saving the doctor but that just wasn't a big enough moment. I
>never got the sense he did it out of the goodness of his
>heart. He wanted to take a doctor back to his camp.

I agree it was kind of a shitty payoff. And I do agree he wanted to take the doctor back to his camp. But whether or not you felt it was a "big enough moment" the fact is the show wanted to portray that he experienced a character shift on his own.



>Then the first day out of camp what happens? She has to kill
>like 6 people. Her new POV makes no sense unless she wants to
>die.

You're severely misunderstanding that scene. Yes, she has to kill those people, to survive. She doesn't want to though, that's why she's crying buckets. And holding her rosary. On one hand, you can argue she's crying for self-preservation (appearing weak so they don't attack her), and on the other you can argue she's crying because she knows she has to kill them to survive. I think the answer is she's crying for BOTH reasons. Her POV absolutely makes sense. Read post #210, there's been a logical progression to her character this whole time.


>BTW, I think it would have made alot more sense if she pulled
>a Tyreese and just gave up and wanted to die. She's been
>through enough where that would make sense and it would make
>her silly wandering around make more sense.

But, she DID want to die. The guilt was crushing her. Did you not see that scene with her and Morgan? She was shot several times and was prepared to die. Morgan's actions VALIDATED her actions, and showed that she shouldn't give up.


>You'll not find a single other critic or commentator who will
>think the transformation was Rock solid. If we saw her do
>something that tested even her morals up to that point, I
>would get it.

If you have issues with the quality of storytelling, that's fine. What you can't argue is the progression of Carol's character. Like I mentioned above, the killing of the Saviors exacerbated all the guilt she had built up. She's experiencing the PTSD that she's kept at bay all this time because she had survival to focus on. She got to the point where she couldn't handle being around others anymore because she'd be compelled to kill to protect them. Yes, she left people hanging but it's because she couldn't kill anymore.

Seriously, watch the second half of the season again with this in mind. There are so many nuggets of this progression of her character, it's painfully obvious once you get over the whole "Carol can only be a badass" mindset.


>Even the idea that she had time to reflect on
>it with the stability of Alexandria doesn't make sense because
>she bailed on the squad in the middle of the build up to war
>with the Saviors (how much stability has there been in
>Alexandria by the way? Seems like they are under constant
>threat). She left a lot of people hanging.

This makes no sense whatsoever. The stability of Alexandria happened at the midseason break and the war with the Saviors happened way after. You can't equate the two because SO MUCH HAPPENED between them.

And I don't know how many times I need to repeat this. Alexandria was stable for several weeks/months, which is an eternity in zombie apocalypse time. Enough time passed for Carol to be passing around cookies and find Tobin, for Rick to have a change of heart, for the whole group to be running out of food. If they dedicated episodes to the group sitting around the campfire singing kumbaya it'd be really lame.


>The other thing that sucks is that they have written
>themselves into a corner. If she goes back to bad ass Carol
>that's just retreading. Doesn't seem like much to do with her
>but kill her off.

I can't speak to what they're going to do with Carol, but this made me shake my head. It's your preconceptions of how a character *should* be that's clouding your perception of who a character *is*. Everyone has such a hard-on for Ninja Carol that they're missing the most important character arc of the entire season (remember that Morgan episode with the Cheesemaker? That set the stage for Carol's peak badassery and her complete 180 degree turn).

Again you can complain about the quality, which is fine. It's undoubtedly affected by who you think Carol should be, not who she is. IMO I thought the whole arc was handled exceptionally well, some of the best character development they've done, maybe ever (and is a big reason why McBride is getting as much praise as she is for the season). But LOL at thinking they've written themselves into a corner. If anything, it's even MORE wide open now. Carol and Morgan are now at a crossroads for each character, where each has validated the other's prior way of thinking. The notion that they should now just "kill her off" because there's not much to do with her just makes no sense whatsoever.

  

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215. "The bad storytelling IS tied to the progression of her character though"
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>If you have issues with the quality of storytelling, that's
>fine. What you can't argue is the progression of Carol's
>character. Like I mentioned above, the killing of the Saviors
>exacerbated all the guilt she had built up. She's
>experiencing the PTSD that she's kept at bay all this time
>because she had survival to focus on. She got to the point
>where she couldn't handle being around others anymore because
>she'd be compelled to kill to protect them. Yes, she left
>people hanging but it's because she couldn't kill anymore.
>
>Seriously, watch the second half of the season again with this
>in mind. There are so many nuggets of this progression of her
>character, it's painfully obvious once you get over the whole
>"Carol can only be a badass" mindset.

You insist how all the character development is as plain as day but we are arguing semantics like motvations on cookies placed on graves, lol. I WILL AGREE: The writers tried their damnedest to properly lead on Carol's change, but for the avg watcher I have to assume it failed considering how horrible the storytelling was with these hints.


>
>Again you can complain about the quality, which is fine. It's
>undoubtedly affected by who you think Carol should be, not who
>she is. IMO I thought the whole arc was handled exceptionally
>well

Like I said I agree now the clues were there, the exceptionally well part though...

  

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216. "This is the argument now? "
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You're claiming we're arguing semantics but, like you just admitted to, your interpretation of her character was rooted in misinterpretation. Semantics would be arguing about whether she's crying cuz she's faking it or crying because she doesn't want to kill. Your argument was her change in character "came out of nowhere" despite all the subtle and not-so-subtle cues from the start of the second half of the season.

And I find it funny that you cut off the "some of the best character development they've done, maybe ever (and is a big reason why McBride is getting as much praise as she is for the season)" part of my quote after the "exceptionally well". We're not talking about Breaking Bad or Game of Thrones here. The Walking Dead is notorious for giving the random scene to a character in the hopes you care before they get offed later. Character development is not this show's forte.

That being said, they took the time to flesh out Carol all season and weaved her in with Morgan's shift. Like I said, if you weren't stuck on who YOU thought the character *should* have been instead of who the character *is* then maybe you would have enjoyed some of the subtle touches to her development.

  

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217. "how can it be this exceptional rock solid character arc, when "
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you seem to be the only one who saw it?

Not to go back and forth but just a couple of points:


1. >No obvious reason? She was standing at Sam's grave and there
>was a close up of a cookie at his grave. And the reason why
>she threatened him in the first place is because he wanted
>more of her cookies (then caught her stealing guns).
>
>http://i.imgur.com/1n70MC2.jpg
>
>Seriously, there can't be a less obvious connection on her
>being affected by his death.


Never argued that she wasn't affected by his death, only that there is no reason why she should feel responsible for his death.

2. Did you miss the scenes she had with Glenn and Daryl? Carol
>was directly affected by killing the Saviors and tells Glenn
>"I can't do this anymore." Daryl asks her what'd they do to
>them and she responds with: “To us? They didn’t do
>anything to us.”


Yeah you had to remind me about that speech but that's shitty storytelling when characters have to tell you in speeches about their changes rather than showing.

If the major turning point for her was her interaction with the female saviors then I don't think they did a very good job showing us why that kill was different from any the other kills. And it's something that could have been easily done. For example, if she actually took part in killing people in their sleep. If we saw that she made a connection with the female Saviors. If she crossed a line that she never crossed before.


3. If her time of peace at Alexandria caused her to have PSTD that's something that could have explored but I don't think they did. You say folks should be considering things that happened off screen but I guess we can always imagine something happening off-screen that would explain everything. That would be a convenient excuse for shitty writing.

4. Yeah maybe we have been watching two different shows because the show I am watching is that we have consistently seen that it is a mistake to show compassion for strangers you come across. Jesus notwithstanding.




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218. "Maybe because I pay attention?"
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>you seem to be the only one who saw it?

I'm not the only one to see it (see rjcc's post) but the show isn't rocket science. The time jump was mentioned in the first episode back from the break and it was discussed on The Talking Dead as well. I honestly think a lot of the backlash to Carol's character shift is because people wanted her to stay a badass forever.


>Never argued that she wasn't affected by his death, only that
>there is no reason why she should feel responsible for his
>death.

Now THIS is arguing semantics. You're saying she shouldn't feel responsible... sure, I'm fine with that. But my point was that Carol felt crushing guilt from his death, whether or not she was "responsible". Carol's a badass but why is it so unbelievable to think she can be affected by her actions?


>Yeah you had to remind me about that speech but that's shitty
>storytelling when characters have to tell you in speeches
>about their changes rather than showing.

LOL at calling it a "speech". It was an exchange of like 2-3 lines each person, no more than a phrase at most and probably one of the best scenes of the season. The most impactful part of that exchange was when Daryl asked her if she was ok, and she said "no". Watch that scene again knowing what you know now about her and see just how much Melissa McBride killed it. Heck, watch that whole episode again. There are several moments where you can see Carol struggling against herself, where her attempts at being meek aren't just so she's underestimated but also because she's earnest in her warnings Savior chick is going to die. Carol gave her several chances to save herself, but when she kept coming Carol ended her. I'm a huge nerd for nuance and this episode had a lot of little moments that paid off with that last scene with Glenn/Maggie and Darryl/Carol.


>If the major turning point for her was her interaction with
>the female saviors then I don't think they did a very good job
>showing us why that kill was different from any the other
>kills. And it's something that could have been easily done.
>For example, if she actually took part in killing people in
>their sleep. If we saw that she made a connection with the
>female Saviors. If she crossed a line that she never crossed
>before.

Let me state this again: that episode with the Saviors was not the turning point. The season break was the turning point. Killing the Saviors (and finding the rosary) EXACERBATED the guilt and doubts she had been having up to that point. And the reason why she stayed behind when Rick assaulted the compound is because her character had already flipped. She couldn't participate in the assault because she knew what it entailed, but because she was kidnapped she had to kill anyways (and had to kill people that didn't harm her at all).


>3. If her time of peace at Alexandria caused her to have PSTD
>that's something that could have explored but I don't think
>they did. You say folks should be considering things that
>happened off screen but I guess we can always imagine
>something happening off-screen that would explain everything.
>That would be a convenient excuse for shitty writing.

They did explore it. With the cookies. And the grave. And the jounral. And Morgan wanting to talk to her but she rebuffed him. We already went over this. Seriously, try watching these episodes again without the mindset of "Carol should be a badass" and all the cues are there.


>4. Yeah maybe we have been watching two different shows
>because the show I am watching is that we have consistently
>seen that it is a mistake to show compassion for strangers you
>come across. Jesus notwithstanding.

Deanna and Alexandria? The scouting dude that found them in the first place? Hershel and his farm? Beth and Noah at the hospital? Morgan and Rick and the guy looking for his horse? Morgan and the Cheesemaker? Geez man there are tons of moments where HUMANITY has its place in the face of constant brutality. I didn't realize the number one rule in the zombie apocalypse was KILL EVERYONE NO MATTER WHAT.

  

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219. "As a side note.. "
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I watch all dramas (and some comedies) with captions on. I hate missing even a single piece of dialogue and this may be why I remember certain things so vividly. IIRC, at the start of the second half, it was only a quick mention when Rick or whoever said several weeks had passed. If you missed that line (or others) , it could skew your entire perception from then on.

  

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220. "It was S6 Episode 10"
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When I believe it was Rick who mentioned it. I don't remember what was said exactly, but something to the effect that some time has passed. It was the episode after the mid-season premiere and they run into Jesus for the first time.

Danai Gurira confirmed on Talking Dead that that episode takes place 2 months after the events of the mid-season premiere.

  

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