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"The Official 2015 NBA Prospect Thread 4 Thruthiness and Justivity"


  

          

One week until the draft. You know the drill.

I'll list the prospects, you list your thoughts, as detailed or as basic ("he'll be good"/"he'll be sorry") as you want. As meticulously bias-free as possible or as blindly agenda-driven as you want.

Get on record before these guys play a single NBA game as to how you think they'll pan out. Stake claims, "buy stock," etc.

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Subject Author Message Date ID
Jahlil Okafor
Jun 19th 2015
1
top 5 center in year 1...perennial all-star...HOFer
Jun 19th 2015
21
Has always reminded me of Daugherty and Al Jeff
Jun 19th 2015
22
Multiple year All-Star.
Jun 19th 2015
28
you and Basa puttin extras on them Dukies..
Jun 22nd 2015
222
      ... do you know which post you're in?
Jun 22nd 2015
304
           his team trash. we don't owe him a conversation.
Jun 22nd 2015
309
           it's more directed at basa, than you Frank....you have
Jun 22nd 2015
328
                your program trash
Jun 22nd 2015
331
                Your program is still known for flops and busts...
Jun 22nd 2015
338
                     no it ain't. that's old head shit. young niggas love us.
Jun 23rd 2015
362
                          lolol.... N*gga I'm around 3,000 13-17 year olds everyday...
Jun 23rd 2015
416
                               no one cares. your program trash.
Jun 23rd 2015
418
                Seeing as how the main knocks against him are defense-related...
Jun 22nd 2015
333
                     basically you put hype on a 19 year old that's pretty much beyon
Jun 22nd 2015
339
                          Multiple ASGs for a potential #1 pick is unreasonable hype?
Jun 23rd 2015
346
Kevin Duckworth + a little wiggle - baby fat
Jun 19th 2015
29
lol cmon.
Jun 20th 2015
87
he is a smarter, more polished player right today than duck ever was
Jun 20th 2015
91
Duck was a very polished offensive player.
Jun 20th 2015
116
      He had decent footwork and touch but didnt maximize his size
Jun 20th 2015
134
           Duck was an All-Star in a golden era of big men. Great career.
Jun 21st 2015
180
                Eh, he was an above average starting center, let's not push it
Jun 21st 2015
212
                     If he has Duckworth's prime extended, that's a fabulous career
Jun 22nd 2015
224
                          Thanks, basketball-reference.com
Jun 22nd 2015
226
As a Blazers fan(my west coast team), this is bullshit
Jun 23rd 2015
424
This video concerns me about my Lakers taking him
Jun 20th 2015
39
For a while I thought he was about the path of least resistance
Jun 20th 2015
92
Upside is tantalizing, potential limitations are many
Jun 20th 2015
57
95 percent of pau. 3-4 all star games
Jun 21st 2015
182
What Eddy Curry would have been if he were smarter
Jun 22nd 2015
231
Like him better than most...
Jun 22nd 2015
239
al jeff. good numbers on shit teams.
Jun 22nd 2015
272
Brook Lopez
Jun 22nd 2015
283
Only Mudiay can challenge Okafor for the best player in this draft
Jun 22nd 2015
341
Karl-Anthony Towns
Jun 19th 2015
2
Player in the draft with the highest ceiling.
Jun 19th 2015
23
All-Star. Should be a franchise player.
Jun 20th 2015
30
this is where im at with it...easily the number 1 choice for ANY team
Jun 20th 2015
74
      Yeah clearly the most valuable prospect in the draft
Jun 20th 2015
97
Rasheed Wallace
Jun 20th 2015
35
I also see Sheed in his game but if Sheed maximized his potential ...
Jun 20th 2015
58
His ceiling is being cysed, but he'll be very good.
Jun 21st 2015
183
All of that
Jun 23rd 2015
425
I agree with Basa and Charlie
Jun 22nd 2015
232
he's not as talented as sheed.
Jun 22nd 2015
233
      I agree but he could apply himself much more than sheed did
Jun 22nd 2015
236
           At some point Sheed stopped even trying to dominate
Jun 22nd 2015
301
An all-star game or two in his future...
Jun 22nd 2015
241
HOF
Jun 22nd 2015
258
Pau Gasol
Jun 22nd 2015
284
D'Angelo Russell
Jun 19th 2015
3
All-Star. Stud. My favorite guard prospect since Kyrie.
Jun 20th 2015
31
best overall pick in the draft...
Jun 20th 2015
41
not really sold...not sorry, but not a star
Jun 20th 2015
37
meant not a superstar...he can be a "star"
Jun 22nd 2015
243
I fuck with him but not that hard. Do I see a huge star? Not really
Jun 20th 2015
65
Best point guard in the draft, best passer & best playmaker
Jun 20th 2015
71
Middle class D Rose without the injuries
Jun 20th 2015
96
exept he's a better shooter now than rose ever was or will be...nm
Jun 21st 2015
197
LMAO!! OKS likes him less now that the Knicks might get him
Jun 20th 2015
121
I hope he goes to the Knicks for selfish reasons.
Jun 20th 2015
122
interesting conclusion
Jun 20th 2015
160
A solid starter. Maybe right on the MCW tier of young pgs.
Jun 21st 2015
192
he can shoot=automatically a better pro
Jun 21st 2015
200
      As oppose to Mudiay?
Jun 21st 2015
203
           Mudiay looking real Rich Man's MCW to me
Jun 22nd 2015
240
                edit, misunderstood your post
Jun 23rd 2015
348
i just got on board this morning. Deron Williams potential.
Jun 21st 2015
201
Best player in this draft...
Jun 22nd 2015
245
Dude will be a star
Jun 22nd 2015
255
Manu Ginobili
Jun 22nd 2015
286
Justise Winslow
Jun 19th 2015
4
A slightly smaller MKG with a jumper.
Jun 20th 2015
32
No worse than 3 best player in draft. Star.
Jun 20th 2015
43
So you've conceded that I said Artest first, or naw?
Jun 20th 2015
117
Love his game and want him on the Sixers
Jun 20th 2015
66
My favorite player in the draft.
Jun 20th 2015
118
No right.
Jun 20th 2015
167
tons of stars has done it with one hand being limited
Jun 20th 2015
177
Really good player...
Jun 22nd 2015
246
The Ron Artest thing as stated prior
Jun 22nd 2015
254
I see Johnson being more Artest-y, Winslow more like Leonard
Jun 22nd 2015
294
5+ all star if he goes east. 2 time all star if he goes west.
Jun 22nd 2015
259
Trevor Ariza
Jun 22nd 2015
287
DAT ZINGIS
Jun 19th 2015
5
Solid starter.
Jun 20th 2015
48
Won't completely shed the Euro stereotype
Jun 20th 2015
53
Crying laughing
Jun 20th 2015
60
I won't get scared off by his "recently liberated" physique, I am buying
Jun 20th 2015
67
Bust.
Jun 20th 2015
123
I dunno man, are you basing this on something other than Euro-ness?
Jun 20th 2015
125
      basing solely off Euro-ness lol
Jun 21st 2015
196
           There is some vile skittishness about Tskitishviliness.
Jun 21st 2015
206
                in recent years?
Jun 22nd 2015
285
                     five might be lofty but 10 sure
Jun 22nd 2015
293
                          yao got drafted in #1 in 2002, since then 19 intl players went lotto
Jun 23rd 2015
385
                               yeah what i am saying is that international products have become ...
Jun 23rd 2015
392
Much better than the Veselys and Bargnanis.
Jun 21st 2015
195
Did you trademark Dat 'Zingis?
Jun 21st 2015
214
I should.
Jun 21st 2015
215
      i'd buy a tshirt
Jun 22nd 2015
242
I have no idea...
Jun 22nd 2015
247
BUST!
Jun 22nd 2015
260
Dirk Nowitzki
Jun 22nd 2015
288
      Espn beat you to it..
Jun 22nd 2015
299
           LANKY LIKE KIRILENKO (c) Phesto
Jun 22nd 2015
302
           RE: Espn beat you to it..
Jun 22nd 2015
308
Emmanuel Mudiay
Jun 19th 2015
6
Not franchise. Solid starting PG. All-D potential.
Jun 20th 2015
46
Hard to call but with his athletic ability he WILL stick for a long time
Jun 20th 2015
68
Best of in the draft. D-Rose but taller with pg instincts.
Jun 20th 2015
81
Jesus Christ, if that assessment is accurate we are talking top 5
Jun 20th 2015
157
      I'm consistent
Jun 20th 2015
172
           nah i mean i wasnt "jesus christing" in disbelief or disdain
Jun 20th 2015
175
                Correction: it's too bad we didn't get to see him at Kentucky
Jun 21st 2015
190
not my guy, and i really doubt he's hinkie's
Jun 22nd 2015
244
Top 10 PG potential....
Jun 22nd 2015
248
Havent seen him play enough to get a good eval
Jun 22nd 2015
252
John Wall
Jun 22nd 2015
289
All right I stopped being lazy, crammed on this dude. WANT.
Jun 22nd 2015
300
Rewatched the McDonald's game and Mudiay is so far ahead of
Jun 22nd 2015
340
      he putting in work against MEN in china, too
Jun 23rd 2015
343
      RE: he putting in work against MEN in china, too
Jun 23rd 2015
421
      RE: he putting in work against MEN in china, too
Jun 23rd 2015
426
           i just realized that maybe you meant the level of comp in the B10
Jun 24th 2015
435
      RE: he putting in work against SCRUBs in china, too
Jun 23rd 2015
427
      I've been trying to tell people. They aint listening though.
Jun 23rd 2015
369
      yeah im not understanding the slandering of this dude.
Jun 23rd 2015
Willie Trill Cauley-Stein
Jun 19th 2015
7
The widest range I can remember.
Jun 19th 2015
24
Since his freshman year, he's always reminded me of Jayden Smith
Jun 22nd 2015
291
A reference on how huge WCS is compared to Brow & Nerlens
Jun 22nd 2015
323
Im big on Cauley Stein.... on the right team he could be a
Jun 23rd 2015
345
One of the most impressive college defenders I can recall seeing.
Jun 20th 2015
33
Ceiling: Tyson Chandler
Jun 20th 2015
55
^^^Here
Jun 22nd 2015
234
Ceiling, defensive anchor, floor, respectable third big on a good team
Jun 20th 2015
69
nice all-D big man
Jun 20th 2015
108
Theo Ratliff
Jun 20th 2015
119
Yeah to me he ain't lunch pale enough to be Ratliff
Jun 20th 2015
126
I'm crying right now.
Jun 21st 2015
216
I took that comment matter of factly. That's how ACCURATE it is lol.
Jun 22nd 2015
329
NIGGA, akajkjksajkfdsalkhdfasklhasfkhladskhklhsdjkhlasdfkljhsdjklasdjkh
Jun 22nd 2015
225
LMAO!
Jun 22nd 2015
251
lol... no way
Jun 23rd 2015
344
only on OKP do you get the kind of scouting that matters
Jun 23rd 2015
360
Rotation player...
Jun 22nd 2015
249
No way in shit will he be assigned to guard guards, but so what?
Jun 23rd 2015
356
      That's the whole appeal. Defensive savant who can be all over the court....
Jun 23rd 2015
380
           Seems like an unrealistic vision of "all over the court"
Jun 23rd 2015
394
Tyson Chandler
Jun 22nd 2015
290
Stanley Johnson
Jun 19th 2015
8
Gerald Wallace
Jun 20th 2015
44
^^^I could see this
Jun 22nd 2015
235
People will regret passing him up
Jun 20th 2015
51
SMH...yeah, okay.
Jun 20th 2015
164
Needs to get stronger, work on some fineries but lot of potential here
Jun 20th 2015
77
Agree with a lot of what you said but why does he have to get stronger?
Jun 20th 2015
104
Lol that did seem wild vague & general
Jun 20th 2015
112
well unlike most of these guys he doesnt need size/strength
Jun 20th 2015
127
look, he gon be good or not? they all got potential
Jun 20th 2015
110
      Better than Winslow, happy?
Jun 20th 2015
124
           To me they are neck-and-neck, I like Winslow slightly more
Jun 20th 2015
133
           great. that'll work. nigga can't dribble or shoot
Jun 20th 2015
163
                he played bigger previously and he's shown an ability to work
Jun 20th 2015
176
Still love his game. No diff between hm and Justise.
Jun 20th 2015
84
What I really love about him
Jun 20th 2015
158
      i think his iq and competitiveness are brought up frequently
Jun 20th 2015
161
      I don't see it enough. I think his understanding of the game
Jun 20th 2015
170
           yeah i mean that's a broad set of qualities though
Jun 20th 2015
178
      Yeah he's confident and looks and acts the part of a NBA player.
Jun 20th 2015
174
He'll obviously stick. Solid player.
Jun 21st 2015
198
rotation player.
Jun 22nd 2015
261
Ron Artest
Jun 22nd 2015
292
Frank Kaminsky
Jun 19th 2015
9
A smart role player.
Jun 20th 2015
34
Solid starting center.
Jun 20th 2015
47
Good starting center, Krstic, Divac, that kind of smooth but not smooth
Jun 20th 2015
70
Backup big. Closer to Andrew Nicholson than Channing Frye
Jun 20th 2015
94
What an odd set of comparisons
Jun 20th 2015
100
      Should I only compare him to white people?
Jun 20th 2015
113
           I mean his game is *nothing* like Frye's and little like Nicholson's
Jun 20th 2015
136
                In the league he'll be predominantly jump shooting big off the bench imo
Jun 20th 2015
147
                     He is not going to be that stretchy though. Yes, he will pull it but ...
Jun 20th 2015
155
Big Z with more white boy angst
Jun 22nd 2015
237
Big Z was a lot bigger and couldn't shoot 3s
Jun 22nd 2015
257
Oh I'm not saying they'll be the SAME player
Jun 23rd 2015
366
I dont see the comparison, frankly, Ilgauskas was much beefier
Jun 22nd 2015
296
      Z grew into that I believe
Jun 23rd 2015
367
           eh he was always bigger and i think frank is a little more mobile
Jun 23rd 2015
411
washout
Jun 22nd 2015
262
RE: Frank Kaminsky
Jun 22nd 2015
315
Trey Lyles
Jun 19th 2015
10
Tim Thomas with some sense and a work ethic.
Jun 19th 2015
25
Shareef
Jun 20th 2015
49
I see him as a guy who might take some time but will be worth it
Jun 22nd 2015
303
Safe bet, just because he's so damn smart and skilled.
Jun 23rd 2015
350
Devin Booker
Jun 19th 2015
11
Best shooter in the draft. Also has sneaky athleticism.
Jun 19th 2015
26
Role player...16ppg ceiling
Jun 20th 2015
36
will be a very good catch n shoot/spot-up guy, competitive
Jun 20th 2015
78
Worst case scenario: a reliable 3PT specialist with a long career.
Jun 21st 2015
199
jr smith without the retardedness
Jun 22nd 2015
263
      or as much athleticism, a young JR was really springy and hoppy
Jun 22nd 2015
295
Mario Hezonja
Jun 19th 2015
12
No idea but he sounds like one of these gully, zero-fucks-given Euros
Jun 20th 2015
79
overrated...typical belinelli super cyse shit
Jun 20th 2015
166
star. top 10 wing by year 4.
Jun 22nd 2015
265
clearly better than Dat Zingis
Jun 24th 2015
439
Sam Dekker
Jun 19th 2015
13
Not feeling his lack of consistency/can't play the same game in the NBA
Jun 20th 2015
73
Will do just enough to hang around for 10 years with 4 teams
Jun 21st 2015
209
Should stick, but needs work on offense to shine.
Jun 22nd 2015
264
Tyus Jones
Jun 19th 2015
14
Solid starting PG on title team...couple AS games
Jun 20th 2015
50
Ceiling: Terrell Brandon
Jun 20th 2015
56
I like that ceiling though...
Jun 20th 2015
64
jameer nelson 2.0
Jun 20th 2015
72
Goomba Jr.?
Jun 20th 2015
83
1A/1B point guard, not really accolade heavy but could be a winner
Jun 20th 2015
99
Not a starter in the National Basketball Association.
Jun 21st 2015
191
Farmar
Jun 21st 2015
210
Smart facilitator on a good team.
Jun 21st 2015
219
A better version of Nick Van Exel
Jun 22nd 2015
238
that's some lofty praise.
Jun 22nd 2015
319
For real, I'd be so happy with that.
Jun 22nd 2015
334
seems like an ambitious projection. we'll see.
Jun 23rd 2015
342
Yowzers, that's huge praise.
Jun 23rd 2015
371
To be clear, he has Van Exel talent IMO
Jun 23rd 2015
379
      Uh. Nick Van Excel had tons of IQ and savvy.
Jun 23rd 2015
388
      and Dallas Van Axel wasnt even his peak...
Jun 23rd 2015
389
      Van Exel had his WTF moments but overall was a very smart player
Jun 23rd 2015
393
That ain't happening bruh. And Van Exel was an All-Star.
Jun 23rd 2015
391
      13/5 and an AS game is doable. LOL...thanks for lowering expectations
Jun 23rd 2015
395
           I guess the overall cumulative stats are doable, I don't see him..
Jun 23rd 2015
407
                Trey Burke and Mario Chalmers start in the NBA
Jun 24th 2015
436
                     But these guys are talking about Van Exel and Brandon
Mar 06th 2016
443
If the 6ers take Okafor because he slides, Hinkie needs to
Jun 23rd 2015
422
Cameron Payne
Jun 19th 2015
15
Maybe the best classic point guard I saw at the NCAA level
Jun 20th 2015
86
Feels backup-y.
Jun 23rd 2015
398
      Yeah he has the biggest range in the draft, could go between like 8-18
Jun 23rd 2015
413
Kelly Oubre
Jun 19th 2015
16
Overrated.
Jun 20th 2015
54
Still like his size and athleticism. Picked the wrong school obviously.
Jun 20th 2015
95
Decent potential, I see a solid starter not a huge star though
Jun 20th 2015
105
Nope
Jun 20th 2015
169
Better than Stanley Johnson
Jun 21st 2015
184
      Agreed.
Jun 21st 2015
217
Jerian Grant
Jun 19th 2015
17
Backup PG...solid
Jun 20th 2015
45
Like I said recently, he will be a good pro. Needs to improve shooting
Jun 20th 2015
59
oops, meant to put that reply under Delon Wright. But I like Grant too
Jun 20th 2015
148
Not a starter in the National Basketball Association. Keyon Dooling like...
Jun 21st 2015
188
Ouch, Dooling?
Jun 22nd 2015
307
      He did things.
Jun 22nd 2015
310
A fine backup.
Jun 21st 2015
218
Kevon Looney
Jun 19th 2015
18
Tristan Thompson
Jun 19th 2015
27
I'm just laughing now that he's a name that is spoken in these discussio...
Jun 20th 2015
63
At worst, he's a rebounding specialist.
Jun 21st 2015
220
Sorry and glad duke ain't get him
Jun 20th 2015
38
lol... man..Kyrie gettin hurt got you mad bitter champ...lolol..
Jun 22nd 2015
228
      he sorry
Jun 22nd 2015
229
I honestly don't know.
Jun 20th 2015
40
Well forget his name by the end of his rookie deal
Jun 20th 2015
52
I smell bust but I acknowledge the potential, too
Jun 20th 2015
61
scrub
Jun 22nd 2015
266
solid starter on the right team
Jun 24th 2015
440
R.J. Hunter
Jun 19th 2015
19
Star and I hope Cleveland takes him. Next Klay
Jun 20th 2015
42
he is pretty good as a spot-up.
Jun 20th 2015
62
doesnt defend like klay but i also like him, will be a steal in the 20s
Jun 20th 2015
75
they already talking about him on RCF.
Jun 21st 2015
202
better kevin martin
Jun 22nd 2015
267
That seems like a decent comparison
Jun 22nd 2015
312
Really love him. Tremendous post-lottery value.
Jun 22nd 2015
273
Myles Turner
Jun 19th 2015
20
Will be a weak-side shot blocker, good hands, has range/accuracy
Jun 20th 2015
76
More risk than reward.
Jun 22nd 2015
274
just been reading/watching interviews for a feel. his game is fine
Jun 22nd 2015
276
Montrezl Harrell
Jun 20th 2015
80
I like him, if he were 6'10", I would fucking LOVE him
Jun 20th 2015
82
Undersized 4. Gon struggle on the defensive end
Jun 20th 2015
171
Have zero idea if he's Faried or Thomas Robinson.
Jun 22nd 2015
223
Between the two plus Robinson ain't dead yet
Jun 22nd 2015
306
High-motor garbage man at best. Def not close to Faried.
Jun 23rd 2015
351
he is a project but he has tools to bam it up proper
Jun 23rd 2015
400
regular ol' bamma...15 year career 8 and 8 averages.
Jun 23rd 2015
368
Dakari Johnson
Jun 20th 2015
85
Solid backup big. I've been comparing him to Nazr for 2 yrs now.
Jun 20th 2015
88
Big and athletic enough to roll the dice in round 2
Jun 20th 2015
103
He's not athletic at all, really.
Jun 22nd 2015
275
      Lol...I just thought he meant like "Student athlete"
Jun 22nd 2015
280
      yeah i guess athletic is not the right word, more physical
Jun 22nd 2015
305
           Wait....what? Lol....some of you guys refuse to not comment.
Jun 22nd 2015
314
                you think he has a post game?
Jun 22nd 2015
324
                     Yeah. Not refined like Okafor. He's not at the point where he can hit yo...
Jun 22nd 2015
327
                          RE: Yeah. Not refined like Okafor. He's not at the point where he can hi...
Jun 22nd 2015
330
solid backup
Jun 21st 2015
185
daniel orton.
Jun 22nd 2015
269
Could be a nice "limited minutes off the bench" pick-up.
Jun 22nd 2015
277
Andrew Harrison
Jun 20th 2015
89
Most underrated player in the draft.
Jun 20th 2015
90
ever have anything *not* beaming to say about a UK player?
Jun 20th 2015
109
      Solid back up qualifies as "beaming"?
Jun 20th 2015
114
           You said "most underrated player in the draft." That's beaming.
Jun 20th 2015
115
           Cuz he's rated to 2nd round to undrafted. He's a lot better than that.
Jun 20th 2015
120
                we don't believe you, you need more people
Jun 20th 2015
131
                     I'm not trying to convince you. Lol
Jun 20th 2015
135
           'Most underrated' and we're also talking about a marginal pick here
Jun 20th 2015
128
                And that is why he's underrated. Get it?
Jun 20th 2015
130
                     Time will tell but IMO he is rated right where he belongs
Jun 20th 2015
132
                     Don't care about the consensus or your opinion. Sorry. But I don't.
Jun 20th 2015
138
                          i mean his size and potential versatility are pretty much facts
Jun 20th 2015
156
                               Reply #135
Jun 20th 2015
159
                                    peace, with two fingers
Jun 20th 2015
162
                                         Oooooooooooooh......no you didn't
Jun 20th 2015
173
                     I'll only call him underrated if he slips past, say, 40.
Jun 21st 2015
221
a bum
Jun 20th 2015
93
All you, not interested
Jun 20th 2015
98
sorry as fuck lmao.
Jun 22nd 2015
268
Could stick. I'd pick him in the second.
Jun 22nd 2015
279
Guillermo Hernangomez
Jun 20th 2015
101
Intriguing player to me, great option for a team looking to stash a pick
Jun 20th 2015
102
first team all-name squad.
Jun 22nd 2015
270
Bobby Portis
Jun 20th 2015
106
Nice player for a team looking to add a near-ready contributor IMO
Jun 20th 2015
107
Reliable minutes off the bench.
Jun 23rd 2015
353
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
Jun 20th 2015
111
Has potential but will needed to better define his game
Jun 20th 2015
129
Role playing defensive stopper.
Jun 21st 2015
189
Defensive stud. Offensive liability. Needs to find the right fit.
Jun 23rd 2015
352
C Mac and Rakeem Christmas (two Cuse guys, one post)
Jun 20th 2015
137
McCullough I am not great fan of, Christmas I think has a slim shot
Jun 20th 2015
139
I think Christmas will stick around as a role player for awhile
Jun 21st 2015
194
      Yeah I was thinking his highest ceiling would be like Briant Grant
Jun 21st 2015
205
Pat Connaughton
Jun 20th 2015
140
Potential bust (what 50-something pick isn't?) but I like him a bit
Jun 20th 2015
143
A catch-and-shoot dude off the bench. I like his odds.
Jun 23rd 2015
358
      He can specialize, exactly, I think he has a little more going on, too
Jun 23rd 2015
396
Travis Trice
Jun 20th 2015
141
Classic collegian whose limitations make the transition tough IMO
Jun 20th 2015
142
Europe.
Jun 21st 2015
204
ROY!!!
Jun 21st 2015
211
Rashad Vaughn
Jun 20th 2015
144
I've got more questions than answers here
Jun 20th 2015
145
should be good. prob gonna washout tho.
Jun 22nd 2015
271
Not bad. Could equal Derozan. Will play a long time. Good scorer.
Jun 22nd 2015
278
Who is this Luis Montero kid? A Dominican product from a JUCO?
Jun 20th 2015
146
We actually have some footage of teh kid on Krossover
Jun 21st 2015
193
      nice, thanks
Jun 21st 2015
207
           PS we may flex our lacrosse platform to hockey
Jun 21st 2015
213
                not that i am aware of, most stuff still seems individualized/proprietar...
Jun 22nd 2015
298
Justin Anderson
Jun 20th 2015
149
To me this guy will sink or swim with coaching/organizational vision
Jun 20th 2015
150
Fully agree with this analysis.
Jun 21st 2015
181
solid 7th man.
Jun 20th 2015
165
Last season was a mirage.
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      oh yeah he is no shooter, just a backcourt bamma
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Norman Powell
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To me too many unrefined elements in his game, namely shooting
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who cares?
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lol,trying to get all the projected 1sts in here so at least the top 40
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lol..when winslow falls short you'll dissapear again....
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      your folks trash this year...like your program
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a 2 without a good jump shot is a hard sell
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Terry Rozier
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A guy I like but I can't call it
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D-League/Europe.
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      oh he will definitely have to become a point guard, no?
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           He'd be a volume-shooting, non-passing point guard.
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                obviously he has to make adjustments. IMO he can only play the 1
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to take mine further, because i hate wiggle room
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RE: to take mine further, because i hate wiggle room
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I was hoping you'd drop a "sorry" on someone higher profile
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yeah he's claiming everybody, not a single bust in the top 20 picks, lol
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What was the last draft class to produce 14 NBA starters?
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go find out
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and there will not be 6 all-stars out of this draft class, lol
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      Why not? That's hardly unprecedented.
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           there are a lot more younger players drafted now and the bust factor...
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                ok so now you're just making up butt. there were high schoolers before!
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                     when high schoolers started getting drafted regularly in the mid to late...
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Sixers Fan POST-JACK: Who will it be? Who do you want?
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Beyond scared...
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IN HINK DOGG WE TRUST
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      depends on the asset
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      Let's say the Hornets want to move up, offer No. 9 and a future first
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           fuck no
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                OK, now let's say it's Sacramento at No. 6, do you do it then?
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                     I like 5 guys in this draft, and I REALLY like 2 for the Sixers
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                          I think we differ on a couple things looking at this reply
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      I get the sentiment..but the best prospect is the guy you pick
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           But who the 'best guy' is is pretty unclear IMO
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                nah it's pretty clear.
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                     not really
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Krossover Luis Montero Film
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MINE (2015 roster of guys i get credit and ridicule for)
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Is Nick Calathes still yours or nah?
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      he is. so is klay.
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           And you admit that? (c) Lil white girl on the AT&T ads.
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                calathas was a flier...wasn't even expected in the L
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                     creating a gap that's not there
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                     "STAR" is good enough. i don't need more than that
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                     I don't remember anybody saying anything about Klay.
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                          he be the main one pretending nothing happened dude.
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                          You mean anything positive or negative?
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                               On Harden, I never watched him at all.
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                                    ^^^^^^^tegrity
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                                    Even I, as one of his advocates, pegged him as "NBA starter."
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                                    i definitely saw him in the pac ten and yes he balled
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                     fool got exposed
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                          win is a win
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I'm taking the shitty harrison twin
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http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/63039470.jpg
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Delon Wright
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already posted, no? i like him as a backup, smart, plays D
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No, lol. You put that reply under Jerian Grant.
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      Yeah I know but I thought there was also a Wright one. I guess not:
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backup
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Robert Upshaw
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Red Flags...D League
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I'd still take a late-first, early-second flier on him.
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      Early second.
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I am rooting for the kid, rare talent, but probably a massive flop
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crazy
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JP Tokoto
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"Tokoto butt clench jumpers" - Frank Longo
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lol
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He will be like a Sefalosha type in the NBA, I guess
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He's not a very good defender at all.
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      I dunno maybe I just saw him against slower teams or something
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i'mma be honest...he has a ton of potential
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scrub. cant shoot. cant play d. makes dumb decisions.
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Jarell Martin
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I saw this guy only three times, but each time he BALLED
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Olivier Hanlan
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This kid never saw a shot he didn't like
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Talented but seemed pretty me-first
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      It's hard to say, since he had *no* help.
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Joseph Young
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21. "top 5 center in year 1...perennial all-star...HOFer"
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22. "Has always reminded me of Daugherty and Al Jeff"
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He's gonna be real good out the gate offensively.

I also think it's a little bit overblown about him running the floor. It might not look pretty, but when I've seen him he's moved up and down pretty well.

At worst an 17 and 8 guy on a bad team.

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28. "Multiple year All-Star."
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At absolute worst, he'll be one of those multiple All-Star types that can't get it done in the playoffs but is regarded as one of the best centers of his era. His offensive skill set is simply that good from Day 1, and his defensive concerns are waaaaay overblown for a myriad of reasons I don't even feel like getting into. On the wrong team, he could get that "empty stats" reputation that Al Jefferson seems to have fallen into, except better and almost certainly on a bigger market squad, meaning endorsements, ASGs, and the like.

At absolute best, he's the centerpiece of a perennial title contender and a HOFer. Especially if he lands in LA, where they can devote themselves to bringing in the FA shooters to surround him with. It's not an exaggeration to say his offense was the best I've seen from a freshman traditional big easily since Brand, and maybe since Duncan.

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222. "you and Basa puttin extras on them Dukies.."
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no question Oakaor is talented and I'd have no problem.....

but you putting Oakafor and Winslow in multiple all star games before they've played 1 game...

that's lot of extras on a 19 year old.... Who was the last 19 year old to come in the league like y'all are claing he's gonna come in the league?? lolol..

come on man.....

I like the kid..I'll take him..

but you claiming really he's gonna be better than Moses Malone or some shit is a joke Frank..

you ain't got nothing to base that on.

he's Slow man... he's got moves but he's slow...

he'll be a top center...but tall this multiple year all star..

you have nothing to honestly hang your hat on to say that KAT isn't the obvious better player...

He's got more diversity in his offensive potential..he's a better athlete...he's a better shot blocker... and a solid kid...

get real man..

  

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304. "... do you know which post you're in?"
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This is the post in which you take a stab at what you predict a player's career will be. That's the entire point of the post.

I'm not saying it *will* happen. I'm saying I *expect* it to happen. Again, point of the post.

And as someone who watched plenty of both KAT and Jah this year, I can easily make arguments in favor of or against both. The benefit of watching as many games as I do.

I noticed you didn't have any problem with me claiming other people are All-Stars. Just the Duke players. Which is 0% shocking to me.

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309. "his team trash. we don't owe him a conversation. "
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328. "it's more directed at basa, than you Frank....you have "
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some sense..he doesn't..

So you think I'm off base that you're putting extras on Winslow and Okafor??

I know that y'all are happy to finally...maybe have some Duke players that don't fizzle and flop in the NBA.... or maybe that can stay healthy for a season...... but I see extras...

Oak has a couple things on the negative side of the ledger that are legit, and I would think a person who is at least trying to give an objective analysis would weigh that into this multiple all star scenario....

  

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331. "your program trash"
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338. "Your program is still known for flops and busts..."
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cats still can't finish an NBA season.

smh...

a recent history of nothing but guys who did something in college but turned out to be overhyped and injury prone..

can't help the club from the tub player..

meanwhile Love bout to get cheesed out....Russy fixin to get cheesed out....

Norman Powell and Kevon Looney will both be productive NBA players...

you want so bad to hang your hat on just one Dukie in the pros but cats keep getting hurt..... you jixed...

  

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362. "no it ain't. that's old head shit. young niggas love us. "
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you old. you live old. you think old.

13-17 year-old don't wanna hear about that old duke myth shit, old nigga.

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416. "lolol.... N*gga I'm around 3,000 13-17 year olds everyday..."
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make a living getting them into college...

between you and me, I'm the one who has actually gotten young people into the colleges that you watch play sports on television... So the next time you want to know where 13 to 17 year old are at, holler at me...I'll help you out...

probably took about 200 students to UCLA this year...lots of pretty good highly recruited ballers... all really hyped to go to UCLA.... wasn't nobody speaking on 1 sport schools like Duke...and none of em were Lacrosse players...lol.


and as far as old...basa I told you long time ago, I have no problem showing who Warren Coolidge is..so you can see my old azz in karl kani's an shit...lol.... No problem..like I say..you seem kind of off to me, so I'm pretty sure you'd hack a couple fingers off to trade lives with Warren Coolidge

I know you're frustrated champ....

you had so much hope...

you tried to piggyback on LeBron to hopefully claim a victory for Kyrie...and again....he can't finish a season...

if one of these Duke guys who came out could just finish a season out and live up to their potential...

you hoped that finally you could have something to say to Warren Coolidge who has been truthfully telling you how lousy Duke players were coming into the NBA in recent years...While UCLA cats were ballin out and signing Big Contracts......

but no..

still...

injury after injury...

But no worries...the Lakers will give Oak a chance ... we'd rather have Big Cuz, but we'll work with Oak and his Elden Campbel-esque trot.....lol...

  

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418. "no one cares. your program trash. "
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333. "Seeing as how the main knocks against him are defense-related..."
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... and a large number of All-Stars annually range from okay to terrible on defense, that doesn't really stunt my projection too much even if he ends ups closer to bad than okay. I think he'll be fine-- he certainly showed me in several games this year the capacity to hold his own defensively at bare minimum against size.

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339. "basically you put hype on a 19 year old that's pretty much beyon"
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that of any 19 year old big that has ever come out to the nba..

yet at the same time you're saying he got holes and deficiencies but he'll be fine..


can't have it both ways player....

  

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346. "Multiple ASGs for a potential #1 pick is unreasonable hype?"
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I literally thought that was the standard hype for every player considered for the #1 pick ever, excepting only the weakest of draft pools.

Besides, you said he could be a top big man. A ton of top big men have multiple ASGs. Shit, the aforementioned Kevin Duckworth has multiple ASGs.

And as I said multiple times above, the "holes and knocks" are inconsequential (and overblown imo) compared to his next-level offensive talent. Next-level offensive talents make ASGs, including ones that play worse defense than Jah.

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29. "Kevin Duckworth + a little wiggle - baby fat"
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That's a compliment

  

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87. "lol cmon."
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91. "he is a smarter, more polished player right today than duck ever was"
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116. "Duck was a very polished offensive player. "
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I don't think you ever watched him.

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134. "He had decent footwork and touch but didnt maximize his size"
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I've watched both guys, which puts me ahead of you, who has apparently watched neither.

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180. "Duck was an All-Star in a golden era of big men. Great career. "
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If I say Okafor is thinner and more nimble, more wiggle,
that's actually a pretty big compliment.

  

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212. "Eh, he was an above average starting center, let's not push it"
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Any which way, Okafor clearly has more going on than Duck did and is also a smarter player. I think he will have a substantially better career, barring injury (which does worry me).

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224. "If he has Duckworth's prime extended, that's a fabulous career"
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He's an 18 and 9 center for 5-6 years in his prime, that's
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424. "As a Blazers fan(my west coast team), this is bullshit"
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on all levels.

Duck was nowhere near as talented. I get the wide hip no vert comparison and its kind of funny but that is a shallow way of looking at the two of them. Their personalities are completely different and Okafor has a bevy of moves. Duck always through up some sloppy shit and went to the line. On his best day Duck has never been as confident as Okafor on his worst day.

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39. "This video concerns me about my Lakers taking him"
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSKsrQqq-io

He seems like he may have that lazy bug a bit. Where he is super talented but doesn't quit work as hard as he should.

I think he has too much talent to be a bust. But not sure he will be a franchise guy either. I think his ceiling is a #2 or #3 guy on a championship team, which is still a really good player.

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92. "For a while I thought he was about the path of least resistance"
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dominating the fuck out of smaller players but not really going head to head with other legit bigs. i think that was mostly a function of circumstance, and of course he was going to go off when he had a mismatch.

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57. "Upside is tantalizing, potential limitations are many"
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He plays an old school style but thankfully the team drafting him will be malleable enough to accommodate that. He may not be for every team out there, but these teams need everything so they can roll with it.

Bottom-heavy guys always give me pause, injury concern to me. I took one look at Yao Ming and knew he would not have a long career, for example.

If I am forced to make a projection, I will say he will be a top-tier center briefly and a second-tier guy for a while. All-star but not a HOF'er.

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231. "What Eddy Curry would have been if he were smarter"
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and had more drive.

He 'might' struggle with weight (when coach K kinda questions your motor, that's a decent enough red flag).

Should be an offensive threat and good rebounder (obvious advantage he has on Curry) from the outset. Defense will be the question mark and will probably depend on his conditioning/drive.

Funny thing is, he reminds me A LOT of a middle class man's Tim Duncan. Which is probably most accurately where I see him landing.

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239. "Like him better than most..."
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He'll be an all-star.

Needs to be on a team with someone to stay on him about his conditioning.


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272. "al jeff. good numbers on shit teams."
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283. "Brook Lopez"
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341. "Only Mudiay can challenge Okafor for the best player in this draft"
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I'll still take Okafor but only by a slim margin.

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2. "Karl-Anthony Towns"
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23. "Player in the draft with the highest ceiling. "
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A franchise cornerstone on a title contender.

A mix of the Gasol brothers.

He can be a yearly 20/10/4/2 guy.

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30. "All-Star. Should be a franchise player."
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We only got tastes this year due to just north of 20 mpg (only got the 7th most minutes per game on his team! the possible #1 pick!), so I don't want to get into statistics projections. TRBO is probably right that his upside is likely the highest, but he doesn't yet have the polish of an Okafor or a Russell, so his downside is potentially higher than those two (though since they're both All-Star caliber players, that isn't really saying much).

It's hard to tell just how high his upside goes due to the platoon though. He was never doubled nearly as much as previous UK bigs (Randle wishes he'd had that much space to operate), and he's also not the freak athlete that guys like Davis and Noel were. He does, however, have really nice shooting form, a strong feel for the game, a good motor, and exceptional rebounding ability. I want to see what his body looks like in a couple of years before I really can tell just how good he'll be-- but I'll bet heavy on him.

If he can get stronger in his legs/hips, he could be tough to deal with inside and out for NBA defenders. Some people are saying to use him as a 4, but he's such a good rebounder and he's got such a big frame, it'd be a shame not to see what he can do as a 5, adding some improved foot work and improved post moves to his already nice jumper/mid-range game.

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74. "this is where im at with it...easily the number 1 choice for ANY team"
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97. "Yeah clearly the most valuable prospect in the draft"
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If Minnie takes Okafor based on some short-sighted, style-of-play argument I will laugh. They will take KAT though.

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35. "Rasheed Wallace"
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58. "I also see Sheed in his game but if Sheed maximized his potential ..."
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he could have been a bigger beast, honestly from a talent standpoint I think Sheed had as much as *any* of his peers at the position (Garnett, Dirk, Webber, et al).

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183. "His ceiling is being cysed, but he'll be very good."
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I don't think he deserves the overwhelming consensus number 1. I think any of the top 4 guys are more or less interchangeable and baed on fit. But he'll be good, top 10 pf at least. He goes to the west, though, he's going to have a hard time cracking many all star teams, because the position is loaded.

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425. "All of that"
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>I don't think he deserves the overwhelming consensus number
>1. I think any of the top 4 guys are more or less
>interchangeable and baed on fit. But he'll be good, top 10 pf
>at least. He goes to the west, though, he's going to have a
>hard time cracking many all star teams, because the position
>is loaded.

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232. "I agree with Basa and Charlie"
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His floor is what Sheed was. His ceiling is what Sheed COULD have been given his talent.

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233. "he's not as talented as sheed. "
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236. "I agree but he could apply himself much more than sheed did"
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Which would push him past Sheed IMO. Sheed had the talent to be much more devastating but didn't realize his potential. KAT doesn't have AS much talent as Sheed but he could get closer to his ceiling than Sheed did.

I think that would push him past Sheed as a player. And KAT might develop well past our expectations like Anthony Davis did (we all didn't think he'd be this good on O this fast).

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301. "At some point Sheed stopped even trying to dominate"
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In the end it extended his career and made him a great fit for Detroit but you can see where he starts jacking threes, his career and impact both changed (for better or worse, you could make different arguments).

I don't think KAT has the raw ability Sheed did either, I mean there were games early in his career where he was unfuckingstoppable in the post and had that turnaround working. But I think Towns can maybe be a more consistent player with a similar level of ability. Kind of like a B-grade AD offensively, not sure about his D (likely not near AD's level though).

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241. "An all-star game or two in his future..."
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Post-timberwolves of course. LOL


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258. "HOF"
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284. "Pau Gasol"
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3. "D'Angelo Russell"
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31. "All-Star. Stud. My favorite guard prospect since Kyrie. "
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I told people on this board at season's start I didn't trust OSU's prospects this year because they would have to rely so incredibly heavily on a freshman guard. While it turns out that I was right not to trust OSU this year, I was wrong that Russell couldn't deliver. He exceeded expectations-- it's just that the rest of OSU's roster underperformed from even my low expectations.

Russell's feel for the game is the best in the draft. You can just see him controlling the game. Haven't seen that in a freshman PG since Kyrie... or in any PG of any age with the pure skill that Russell brings to the table. His passing is next-level, his handles are disgusting, his wingspan is awesome for the position, and he can score in a variety of ways. He's not the greatest defender in the world-- but neither are Jah or Towns. You don't draft these guys as the top three players for their defense, because plenty of MVP candidates aren't defensive studs anyhow. He just needs to be competent, which he can be with a good coach-- he's got the IQ and the body to defend the position well.

If he ends up in the East, he could potentially be an All-Star as a rookie. Which feels weird to say... but the guard situation is so dire in the East, and he could put up those flashy ESPN Top 10 plays that get the national attention that get young guards into the ASG.

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41. "best overall pick in the draft..."
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..he has the size, skill, talent, intelligence, & plenty of potential for improvement.

i hope the lakers draft him.




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37. "not really sold...not sorry, but not a star"
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243. "meant not a superstar...he can be a "star""
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65. "I fuck with him but not that hard. Do I see a huge star? Not really"
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Good size and potential to be a complete player. I don't see dominance but I see a potential key cog on a very good team. Not to compare them as a players but in terms of impact I could see him reaching the Conley Jr level, but not say the Russell Westbrook level.

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71. "Best point guard in the draft, best passer & best playmaker"
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best handles, and the best shooting point guard in this draft.


perennial all star.



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96. "Middle class D Rose without the injuries "
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197. "exept he's a better shooter now than rose ever was or will be...nm"
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121. "LMAO!! OKS likes him less now that the Knicks might get him"
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When he was a shoe-in for the Sixers he was a
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122. "I hope he goes to the Knicks for selfish reasons."
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I already go to way too many games...this happens? and Dolan about to take even more of my money.

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160. "interesting conclusion"
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you got three guys tossing his salad and two others saying he'll be good but not great (which they both said during the NCAA season). somehow these responses indicate his stock has fallen?

i still think he goes third, personally, if not to philly then to the team they trade down with.

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192. "A solid starter. Maybe right on the MCW tier of young pgs. "
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I don't see him better than Mudiay though.

I'm also not sold on him spending his whole career at pg.

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200. "he can shoot=automatically a better pro"
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not to mention better vision, more room to develop, etc.

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203. "As oppose to Mudiay?"
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240. "Mudiay looking real Rich Man's MCW to me"
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super athletic, amazing in the open court, great defensive potential, broke ass jumper, high turnovers. i know he's younger and can develop, and i know he's on a different level athletically. but i don't think that's hinkie's guy, and i wouldn't take him about dangelo or dat zingus.

of course, everything i know about him comes from the draft express youtubes. on no planet should my opinion be taken as informed.

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348. "edit, misunderstood your post"
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but yeah i think russell managed the ball and possessions decently this year. he will have a learning curve but i am not worried about him being dependable, i am just wondering how much more he will be than that

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201. "i just got on board this morning. Deron Williams potential."
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and i want

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245. "Best player in this draft..."
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I think the questions about his D is warranted.

But all the other stuff...top 5 pg potential.
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255. "Dude will be a star"
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Anything beyond that will depend on what situation he ends up in.

Hopefully he goes to the right spot and gets the push and support to develop past star into superstar.

He's not as fast as I would like an NBA pg to be in today's game which makes me thing 'tweener' guard but he has the skillset to not let that hinder him.

He's like a hybrid of Trey Burke and Brandon Roy.

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286. "Manu Ginobili"
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32. "A slightly smaller MKG with a jumper. "
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That should be good enough for at least one ASG. We'll see where he ends up-- I'm not necessarily sold that he'll be a studly scorer who can carry a team singlehandedly (the Harden comparisons were... ill-advised), but he's virtually unstoppable in transition, a tough rebounder, can defend multiple positions, and a strong catch-and-shoot jump shooter. He has the raw talent to be a multiple ASG guy, but I want to see him continue to improve his shooting off the dribble, which probably requires a little work on the mechanics of his release. Still, he's such a goddamn hard worker and a studly athlete, and he can contribute so much right away to a team even if his jumper isn't falling. It'd be foolish not to bet on him.

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43. "No worse than 3 best player in draft. Star."
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117. "So you've conceded that I said Artest first, or naw? "
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66. "Love his game and want him on the Sixers"
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If we could trade down to get him and acquire another good pick, I would honestly be pleased with that, that is how highly I think of his potential to contribute to a winner. Love his competitiveness and well-roundedness.

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118. "My favorite player in the draft. "
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167. "No right."
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177. "tons of stars has done it with one hand being limited"
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246. "Really good player..."
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The team fit will matter more with him.


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254. "The Ron Artest thing as stated prior"
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somewhere between that and Kawhi Leonard.

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294. "I see Johnson being more Artest-y, Winslow more like Leonard"
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259. "5+ all star if he goes east. 2 time all star if he goes west."
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287. "Trevor Ariza"
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5. "DAT ZINGIS"
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48. "Solid starter."
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53. "Won't completely shed the Euro stereotype"
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His body is too weak. But he'll have a solid career.

  

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60. "Crying laughing"
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I'll never be able to see that guy without thinking of that name

  

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67. "I won't get scared off by his "recently liberated" physique, I am buying"
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Yes he is very skinny but so was Dirk and so are most 19 year olds. This guy is smooth as fuck from what little I have seen. Potential game-changer. Another guy I wouldn't mind Philly winding up with, especially in a trade-down for another asset. Imagine the length and potential of that frontcourt.

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123. "Bust."
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125. "I dunno man, are you basing this on something other than Euro-ness?"
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196. "basing solely off Euro-ness lol"
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if he was going anywhere from 15 and after...i wouldnt say it.

but until a euro proves themselves worthy of that top 5 pick im gonna play it safe and just call bust every time.

i hope he balls out. id gladly take an L to see him do all the things ppl say he can do..at the NBA level.

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206. "There is some vile skittishness about Tskitishviliness."
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Plenty of Euros have been worth top 5 picks, they just havent been taken in the top 5.

I think he is gonna be good, man. He and the young Sabas are both gonna be good Euros. Sabonis could have come out this year and been a first rounder but I think he made the right decision to go back. Obviously his family isn't pressed for money. So now he'll have time to develop and improve his draft standing from teens/20s to top 10.

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285. "in recent years?"
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>Plenty of Euros have been worth top 5 picks, they just havent
>been taken in the top 5.

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293. "five might be lofty but 10 sure"
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bigs (nuggets, magic, jazz all got legit starting centers from overseas), giannis i dont think is a reach nor is goran dragic as good top 10 value. marc gasol if you wanna go back a few years. alex len is going to be a solid player although he did play college ball in the u.s.

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385. "yao got drafted in #1 in 2002, since then 19 intl players went lotto"
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NONE of them were all stars

maybe that trend changes with #DATZINGIS though

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392. "yeah what i am saying is that international products have become ..."
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stars.

it's still a period of transition. look at the NHL, they started bringing guys in the 70s from Sweden and then in the 80s/90s from behind the Iron Curtain. You still have a lot of high-profile busts and totally under-the-radar stars that are playing now. Zetterberg, Datsyuk, Lundqvist, look how low these guys went, and there are plenty of Russian Roulettes and Swiss Misses up at the top. Not an exact parallel but just to say that international scouting is a work in progress in all sports. The players are there, they just aren't always in the correct order.

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195. "Much better than the Veselys and Bargnanis. "
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That's not saying a great deal, but I'm not too confident on saying much more than that by just watching some footage and highlight reels. The bust fears/comparisons seem unfounded though. His jumper is much better than Vesely's, and he's much more athletic/versatile than Bargnani.

The ceiling potential is obvious, but it's hard to say whether he'll just be a starter or be much better without seeing him more. His potential *is* pretty sexy though-- I understand the hype past the usual Euro cysage, and his floor seems relatively high.

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214. "Did you trademark Dat 'Zingis?"
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I'm going with the "he's a bust due to not being from an actively war torn country" agenda logic.

Of course, he could turn out to be a solid contributor if he goes to the right team and receives proper coaching.

  

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215. "I should."
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242. "i'd buy a tshirt"
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247. "I have no idea..."
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As I posted somewhere else I'm leery about guys who rise and fall based off of private workouts. Everything I've read I keep thinking a more athletic Bargnani. I swear to God I hope the sixers pass tho. He's not shawn bradley, but that name will get thrown around a lot.


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260. "BUST!"
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288. "Dirk Nowitzki"
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299. "Espn beat you to it.."
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302. "LANKY LIKE KIRILENKO (c) Phesto"
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308. "RE: Espn beat you to it.."
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>They got him as KD, Dirk, and Kirilenko.

Not as athletic as KD and doesn't have the playmaking skills

Won't defend like AK47

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6. "Emmanuel Mudiay"
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46. "Not franchise. Solid starting PG. All-D potential."
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68. "Hard to call but with his athletic ability he WILL stick for a long time"
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He will have a long career and if somebody wants to go to the mat for him I am all ears. Havent seen enough personally apart from seeing that he has all the tools to mold himself into a career pro.

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81. "Best of in the draft. D-Rose but taller with pg instincts. "
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157. "Jesus Christ, if that assessment is accurate we are talking top 5"
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player in the league.

I have heard stuff like that and Westbrook comparisons. I hope they are true.

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172. "I'm consistent "
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175. "nah i mean i wasnt "jesus christing" in disbelief or disdain"
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just saying gatdamn, that's a helluva talent if he projects that way. you arent the first person i have heard say something similar. it's too bad we didn't get to see him at SMU

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190. "Correction: it's too bad we didn't get to see him at Kentucky "
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that miss sucks more than any of the recent ones.

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244. "not my guy, and i really doubt he's hinkie's"
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248. "Top 10 PG potential...."
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Better fix that shot though. He's tailor made to play in Sacto. Doubt he falls that far.


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252. "Havent seen him play enough to get a good eval"
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From what I've seen he has one of those 'could be good, could be a headcase' vibes. Those dudes usually have a gang of skill but could ultimately waste it.

Players on this list w/their range:
Floor: Rashad McCants - Nut jobbed his way outta the league. Coulda been a 16-20ppg guy for 5-7 seasons but NOPE

Standard-level: Shabazz Mohammed - Didn't look promising at first but worked hard and has some potential to be good at the pro level.

Top tier: Stephon Marbury - Good career, great talent, not maximized though because of headcasedness.

Ceiling: Russell Westbrook - When talent is maxed and matched with controlled headcasedness. The rarest of rare feats.

I get a Standard-level/Top tier vibe from Mudiay.

Take this eval with a grain of salt though. *shrug*

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289. "John Wall"
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300. "All right I stopped being lazy, crammed on this dude. WANT."
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Looks like a hybrid of Russy and Wall to me. Nearly as athletic/explosive as Russy, but oriented more like Wall. Seems like a good pick n roll player, which is great, and I am impressed with what he can do inside. He's got post moves. He's more of an explosive finisher than Russell IMO. It's hard to compare levels but rebounding-wise he really impressed me, too. I like Russell's handle but this dude seems to have a little better one, just as functional but with more moves and flashier ones. They are the same height/length but I like his defensive potential a bit more, too.

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340. "Rewatched the McDonald's game and Mudiay is so far ahead of "
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Russell its embarrassing.

Now I'm going to be pissed if the 6ers get Russell over Mudiay. I hope Hinkie throws his balls on stage and picks Mudiay.

I'm looking for one person to actually look at them go head to head and tell me otherwise. Basically I'm looking for someone to lie.


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343. "he putting in work against MEN in china, too"
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yeah man after doing my homework i too will be very upset if we take russell over him. i want mudiay, winslow or dat zingis, i'd be excited about any of those three.

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421. "RE: he putting in work against MEN in china, too"
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Sorry but I dont respect the Big 10 for basketball. I do like Russell but Mudiay has that Alpha Dog mentality. He made Okafor take a back seat in the half court offense when they played together.

Embiid and Mudiay together?!?!?! I'm rocking the African medallion heavy to the game like its the late 80s with a Marcus Garvey shirt.


It wont happen tho. FUCK.


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426. "RE: he putting in work against MEN in china, too"
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>Sorry but I dont respect the Big 10 for basketball.

dumbest shit ever. d-russ had offers from several notable bball powerhouses (bigger than TOSU even)

edit http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/124603/dangelo-russell



mudiaye was headed to SMU. who gives a flying fuck about anything SMU has done in hoops...EVER...(or the AAC or whatever tiny conference they're in now)

faulty logic.

oladipo is a better athlete than of the guards in this years lottery..and hes a big 10 product...soo miss me with that bs.






mudiaye cant shoot. have fun with that.

and lol @ basing this opinion on a high school all star game where no one is even trying to play D (and 12 games of tape vs a bunch of chinese bums and ex american players)


glad all of this is on record though.


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435. "i just realized that maybe you meant the level of comp in the B10"
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but D'angelo would have shit on whoever they put in front of him...in any conference.

i doubt any of you (other than Longo) watched a single TOSU game all year lol

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427. "RE: he putting in work against SCRUBs in china, too"
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for what? 12 games?

LOL

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369. "I've been trying to tell people. They aint listening though. "
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They acted like going to China he got banished to some other universe. Nope. Its the same kid.

There's one tier. KAT, Mudiay, Okafor.

Then I had Russell on another with Myles. But have since dropped Myles down a notch cuz it seems like he took a step back.

But tier 3 I have Winslow, Johnson, Lyles, WCS, Myles, Oubre

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"yeah im not understanding the slandering of this dude."


  

          

people really forget what they seen in a year?

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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7. "Willie Trill Cauley-Stein"
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24. "The widest range I can remember."
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He can be a superstar based off his physical talents alone on the defensive end. But can also do some things offensively that he's rarely shown.

Or he could be a just a rotational defensive stopper.

Or he can flame out.

I'm guessing somewhere in between the first and second scenario.

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291. "Since his freshman year, he's always reminded me of Jayden Smith"
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A great kid. Phenomenal. But aloof. And does some dummy things. Like changing his middle name to "Trill" and openly admitting to not knowing what Trill means.

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323. "A reference on how huge WCS is compared to Brow & Nerlens"
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http://ukrecruiting.bloginky.com/files/2012/08/UKposts.jpg

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345. "Im big on Cauley Stein.... on the right team he could be a "
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great asset...

  

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33. "One of the most impressive college defenders I can recall seeing."
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He can just do freaky things defensively. Next-level studly body. If Anthony Davis didn't exist, I'd call him the most physically impressive big of the aughts. Stupid fast. Terrific hands would make him an elite shot blocker in the NBA from Day 1, and when locked in, he's a terror on the offensive glass. He's also, quiet as kept, probably the best passing big man in the draft.

He had issues with consistency at UK. "I don't care." (c) Tommy Lee Jones. Skills like that, a body like that, you take him. Absolute worst, you throw him in as your 5 and work around his offensive limitations because of what he can give you defensively and in transition. Maybe he flames out and gets somebody fired... but I think it's more likely he gets somebody fired for passing on him.

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55. "Ceiling: Tyson Chandler"
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Floor: JaVale McGee

  

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234. "^^^Here"
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69. "Ceiling, defensive anchor, floor, respectable third big on a good team"
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He seems to be a smart guy and sometimes that hurts you in the single-focus world of pro sports. He certainly hasn't always been engaged.

Hopefully the stakes of the pros change that. Obviously has a good mind for defense plus all the physical tools and then some. Interesting to see mocks with him going to the Pacers. Unlike Hibbert, he was not a guy who necessarily showed linear improvement, but he would offer them a more mobile big who is potentially just as good protecting the rim.

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108. "nice all-D big man"
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____________________________________________________


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119. "Theo Ratliff "
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If he cares

Looks like he's likely to impregnate strippers

Has that Paul George "I REFUSE to wear rubbers" pretty
nigga look



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126. "Yeah to me he ain't lunch pale enough to be Ratliff"
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216. "I'm crying right now."
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>Looks like he's likely to impregnate strippers
>
>Has that Paul George "I REFUSE to wear rubbers" pretty
>nigga look

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329. "I took that comment matter of factly. That's how ACCURATE it is lol."
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225. "NIGGA, akajkjksajkfdsalkhdfasklhasfkhladskhklhsdjkhlasdfkljhsdjklasdjkh"
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>Has that Paul George "I REFUSE to wear rubbers" pretty
>nigga look

Let me get this straight: Are you saying he's going to smash his way through Starlets equivalent of whatever city he goes to?

  

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251. "LMAO!"
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>
>Looks like he's likely to impregnate strippers
>
>Has that Paul George "I REFUSE to wear rubbers" pretty
>nigga look
>

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344. "lol... no way"
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360. "only on OKP do you get the kind of scouting that matters"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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249. "Rotation player..."
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I'm not a sold on him being able to guard 1-5 in the league. I think good Pgs and good bigs will eat him up. Running end to end with Jerian Grant is cool, but Jerian maxes out as a good starter in the league.


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356. "No way in shit will he be assigned to guard guards, but so what?"
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380. "That's the whole appeal. Defensive savant who can be all over the court...."
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>
Folks say Tyson...

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394. "Seems like an unrealistic vision of "all over the court""
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If he can cover ground in the way that Hakeem or even Ben Wallace did that's a huge W. You want a rim protector who can challenge high and play switches effectively? This is probably your guy. You want a guy who can guard all five positions and cover 25 feet in any direction? Go sign the Flash.

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290. "Tyson Chandler"
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8. "Stanley Johnson"
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44. "Gerald Wallace"
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235. "^^^I could see this"
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51. "People will regret passing him up"
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always a winner, improves aspects of his game every season.

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164. "SMH...yeah, okay. "
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____________________________________________________


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77. "Needs to get stronger, work on some fineries but lot of potential here"
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He is powerful and tenacious, I like his game a lot. With him, Winslow and DAT ZINGIS!, this draft is loaded at the increasingly important three spot. I think this kid has all-star and all-D potential.

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104. "Agree with a lot of what you said but why does he have to get stronger?"
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sure everyone should get stronger but In terms of 3 prospects in the last 10 years he may be the strongest.

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112. "Lol that did seem wild vague & general"
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beside the fact he's already pretty strong for his age.

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127. "well unlike most of these guys he doesnt need size/strength"
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he has the size and above average strength but he needs to maximize what he has plus be stronger at the rim.

i guess i should have been a lot more specific, i mean he needs to get stronger/more explosive in certain areas. i firmly believe he will, it's a matter of fleshing out rather than developing, which gives him an advantage over most.

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110. "look, he gon be good or not? they all got potential"
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____________________________________________________


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124. "Better than Winslow, happy?"
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133. "To me they are neck-and-neck, I like Winslow slightly more"
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It's funny if I have to rank all three guys right today I would rank them Winslow-Johnson-Porzingis but if I were ranking their ceilings the order would be reversed.

I think Winslow will have the best career though. Most of the tools and skills, all of the intangibles.

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163. "great. that'll work. nigga can't dribble or shoot"
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176. "he played bigger previously and he's shown an ability to work"
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now again i would take winslow here but i dont think johnson is some lost cause because he, like all prospects, has some stuff to work on.

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84. "Still love his game. No diff between hm and Justise. "
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158. "What I really love about him"
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is how his game just keeps developing. Seeing him as a freshman in his as good as he was you wouldn't have expected this. From basically being a power 4 to now a wing. From that freshman year to now he's been the best player in his team but carries himself in a way that's confident but not cocky.

I expect his jumpshot to look a lot better by the start of the season. Even though his jumper was average in college this year, people didn't even expect it to be that good- and it progressed throughout the season.

He doesn't have a lot of holes in his game and has a good basketball iq people don't talk about because of that cism.


Big black dude with big hair- nope automatically can't be smart.

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161. "i think his iq and competitiveness are brought up frequently"
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maybe the latter more often but i dont find this to be lacking in any semi-professional analysis of his game.

anyway i like him and think he is shaping up to be a great value in the mold of like paul pierce, caron butler, paul george and other guys who slid a bit for no good reason.

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170. "I don't see it enough. I think his understanding of the game"
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>maybe the latter more often but i dont find this to be
>lacking in any semi-professional analysis of his game.
>
>anyway i like him and think he is shaping up to be a great
>value in the mold of like paul pierce, caron butler, paul
>george and other guys who slid a bit for no good reason.

And what he needs to do to get better is elite. He's got a bit of kobeness to him in terms of being a gym rat.

I think with taking Stanley you know that barring injury nothing will be left on the table at the end of his career. He's going to maximize every bit of potential he has- which is often cool for a garbage guy but his ceiling is actually pretty high.

I've followed him personally since after his freshman year at mater dei and love where he is headed. I wish the lakers hadn't gotten the 2 cause I think he would've been a great fit on the Lakers.

Seems like right now he's headed to detroitn or Miami since he turned down the Charlotte workout. Okc fans want to trade up to grab him. All 3 of those teams Would be a nice fit. Miami would actually make a really nice fit.

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178. "yeah i mean that's a broad set of qualities though"
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you can choose to emphasize whatever--work ethic, persistence, commitment, study, understanding, etc-- so i am not gonna go blasting the analysis of him in general as slanted or racist.

he also has to continue to transition to a straight-up wing player but i have no doubt he will work to mold himself into the player he needs to be.

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174. "Yeah he's confident and looks and acts the part of a NBA player. "
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His floor is pretty solid.

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198. "He'll obviously stick. Solid player."
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I'm not as high as others. I'm concerned what he'll do when he can't simply bully his way around offensively. Too often in college, he'd bully his way to the rim one-handed, but even then in college at the rim he really struggled. I'm not convinced he will be able to create separation in isolation at the next level either, nor am I convinced his passing is good enough to make him a versatile weapon on the wing. Defensively he was on and off as well-- he's got the tools on both sides, and it's easy to fall in love with his potential on both sides, because it's evident in flashes. He's got a really high floor too, just because of his positional size, his speed for his size, and his ability to draw fouls largely due to his size. He could get double digit points per game and have half of them come from FTs, and I wouldn't be surprised. Totally open to the suggestion that he maxes out his potential and becomes an All-Star (I wouldn't fight anyone like Shawn who is insistent that he'll continue to grow), and he's super young so the concerns don't *really* concern me-- I just didn't see enough in those flashes to lead me to believe he'll develop the handles and the passing and the shooting and the consistency necessary for him to max out who he can become.

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261. "rotation player."
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292. "Ron Artest"
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9. "Frank Kaminsky"
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34. "A smart role player. "
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If you draft him looking for a 20 mpg guy who can score efficiently, play smart, and create positional mismatches when on the court, he's your guy. Absolutely.

If you draft him looking for an All-Star, or even a guy who is top two on your team in scoring... you probably made a mistake. He's already hit his upside, he's not terribly fast or strong (not sure if he could defend 4s *or* 5s consistently), and he's pretty slow offensively. For him to consistently do what he did in Wisconsin's system against NBA defenders? I just don't see it. He'd have to get a lot faster with his release, he'd have to pack on a good 20 pounds of muscle, and he'd have to develop a grip of really savvy go-to moves that he doesn't really have right now (that spin move that was so deadly against college defenders won't work regularly against NBA competition).

Not strong enough to be peak Brad Miller, but maybe he could be what older Brad Miller was: a smart role player, a pick-and-pop mismatch, and someone who knows his role and plays it very well. In the right system, with the right coach, he should work out.

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47. "Solid starting center."
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70. "Good starting center, Krstic, Divac, that kind of smooth but not smooth"
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Guys who can pass, shoot and have good feet but still look awkward, basically. I like Kaminsky, I think anything past like 8 would be a pretty solid value for him.

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94. "Backup big. Closer to Andrew Nicholson than Channing Frye"
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100. "What an odd set of comparisons"
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113. "Should I only compare him to white people?"
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136. "I mean his game is *nothing* like Frye's and little like Nicholson's"
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Oddly I can't think of a black player with whom to compare him but he's also a domestic product that plays like a Euro. I'm not sitting here thinking about that, really, to me he plays a whole lot like Krstic but I think he will be better than Nenad was, so I threw in Vlade because he was more the level of player I think Kaminsky can be.

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147. "In the league he'll be predominantly jump shooting big off the bench imo"
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155. "He is not going to be that stretchy though. Yes, he will pull it but ..."
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he will also distribute from the high post, be a screener and get some work in the low block as well. He will have to pick his spots because he will likely have some strength disadvantages inside, but the league is getting smaller and there will be plenty of matchups where he can play inside, too.

I don't think his game will be terribly different from the one he played in college, just with fewer minutes and less usage. I doubt he will put the ball on the floor quite as much, but beyond that, pretty similar.

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237. "Big Z with more white boy angst"
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Meaning he'll have more of a chip on his shoulder than Z did.

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257. "Big Z was a lot bigger and couldn't shoot 3s"
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366. "Oh I'm not saying they'll be the SAME player"
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but that Frank will resemble Z in some ways. Having 3 point range is actually an advantage.

I guess a smaller version of Z with 3pt range would be more detailed.

Anything inside the 3pt line will look similar to Z. Pick and pops, mid range jumpers, baby hooks with the addition of 3 pt range.

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296. "I dont see the comparison, frankly, Ilgauskas was much beefier"
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and very bottom-heavy.

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367. "Z grew into that I believe"
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and Frank is bottom heavy. He's not as strong up top which I think he'll gain in the pros after 3-4 seasons.

He's not AS big as Z but their games inside the 3 are similar.

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411. "eh he was always bigger and i think frank is a little more mobile"
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and a better bet to stay that way. z could move better before the foot injuries though, i guess it's a little closer than i thought but i still think kaminsky will play a different game on the pro level than z did.

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262. "washout"
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doesnt love bball and not that good.

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315. "RE: Frank Kaminsky"
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best case scenario is he slips to Atlanta. I really think they could max out his skill set.

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10. "Trey Lyles"
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25. "Tim Thomas with some sense and a work ethic."
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Probably one of the top 3 or 4 skilled players in this draft. Already has a mid-range game. A great passer. Needs to work defensively.

He as the ability to make a few All-Star teams.

It also helps that the league is getting smaller, because that would highlight his versatility that much more.

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303. "I see him as a guy who might take some time but will be worth it"
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Needs to refine and specialize his game for sure but could be an all-star-ish guy. I don't think a huge star but he does a lot of things well and he is well-coordinated, an aspect I find WAY overlooked in terms of "athleticism." He isn't super springy or explosive but he doesn't play a game where he needs to be; he can shoot the ball.

I don't think he is a big star but I think he is a very solid starter and potentially a bit more.

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350. "Safe bet, just because he's so damn smart and skilled."
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He's not really a "sexy" pick-- I don't think we'll see him in ESPN's Top 10 any time soon-- he just happens to do everything well.

I'm not convinced he's a better prospect than Towns or even Booker, because he's not a great athlete, not a consistent shooter (yet), and not really a strong defender for either the perimeter or the post, so he doesn't really scream "star." However, he has crafty old-school skills and just an awesome feel for the game.

I like him as a valuable asset, almost certainly a starter, and I'd be absolutely stunned if he busted. Some mock drafts have him slipping out of the lotto, which... I just can't believe would actually happen. You don't pass on safe valuable minutes like this on the back half of the lotto.

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11. "Devin Booker"
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26. "Best shooter in the draft. Also has sneaky athleticism."
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Has to show that he's more than a spot up guy though.

Ceiling: Can be a starter on a playoff team.

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36. "Role player...16ppg ceiling"
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78. "will be a very good catch n shoot/spot-up guy, competitive"
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i like his quiet but palpable fire. he wants the ball. not sure what he can do with it at the NBA level besides shoot, but he can sure as hell shoot. either a good complement to a ball-dominating PG or a good heat-up guy off the bench, i like his makeup as a pro despite not being a standout athletically. he also gets underrated in that regard, he can get off the floor quickly and get the ball away quickly; he's athletic enough to play his game.

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199. "Worst case scenario: a reliable 3PT specialist with a long career."
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That lack of an elite first step and lack of sexy wingspan will probably keep him from being a truly great scorer or truly great defender, but he's really smart and smooth, with terrific instincts on both ends, and I think if he somehow doesn't go top ten, then a couple of teams fucked up.

I wish there was a way for him to get even stronger, which could help him at the rim a little more, which would unquestionably raise his ceiling, because he's crafty enough with the ball in his hands... but he doesn't even really need to do that to get 13-15 PPG relatively early in his career.

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263. "jr smith without the retardedness"
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295. "or as much athleticism, a young JR was really springy and hoppy"
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79. "No idea but he sounds like one of these gully, zero-fucks-given Euros"
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I am rooting for him to become the Ivan Drago of the NBA.

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166. "overrated...typical belinelli super cyse shit"
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265. "star. top 10 wing by year 4."
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73. "Not feeling his lack of consistency/can't play the same game in the NBA"
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as he did in college.

Parsons lite. I see him as a Wilson Chandler level player, and that might be at best.

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209. "Will do just enough to hang around for 10 years with 4 teams"
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Stealing money

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264. "Should stick, but needs work on offense to shine."
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When his shots are falling? He's good enough to be an NBA starter. Great positional size, good athleticism, good lateral quickness, good defensive IQ, good team player. Problem is his shot comes and goes, and he can't really create shots for himself in the halfcourt at this point. I'm not sure what his role becomes in the NBA if he can't shoot or create, as he was most dominant simply driving straight line in college, but he won't be able to do that consistently against NBA size and talent.

Because he's got a high IQ and he's one of those "good at everything, not special at anything" players, it's hard to say whether he'll stick as a valued piece worthy of starting or as a 15 mpg bench player... but I struggle to believe anyone with that IQ and that size/athleticism will be worse than that. If I had to bet, he'll be something similar to what he was in college-- a guy who simply fills a role as a team player much of the time, but who has the capacity to go off and keep opponents on their toes during any given game.

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14. "Tyus Jones"
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50. "Solid starting PG on title team...couple AS games"
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56. "Ceiling: Terrell Brandon"
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Floor: Eric Maynor

  

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64. "I like that ceiling though..."
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72. "jameer nelson 2.0"
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83. "Goomba Jr.?"
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99. "1A/1B point guard, not really accolade heavy but could be a winner"
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Role player for a good team suits him best IMO.

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191. "Not a starter in the National Basketball Association. "
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A starter in the Trey Burke sense (for a year or so until somebody else gets drafted).

A J.J. Barea role on a playoff team is his ceiling.

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210. "Farmar"
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219. "Smart facilitator on a good team."
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The type of player who could either give you empty stats on a bad team (think a better Trey Burke) or could be a really integral piece on a good team with stars that he can assist and take the pressure off of. He'll never be the top option, but he is the guy that top options need to maximize their potential. He's been a winner his whole life-- in the right situation, he can shine. In the wrong situation... well, he'll do enough to hopefully get a good team to trade for him one day.

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238. "A better version of Nick Van Exel"
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319. "that's some lofty praise. "
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334. "For real, I'd be so happy with that."
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342. "seems like an ambitious projection. we'll see."
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371. "Yowzers, that's huge praise. "
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379. "To be clear, he has Van Exel talent IMO"
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and it'll take 2 seasons to full realize his ability but 16/17ppg and 7-9apg on 43-44% shooting, 36-37% from 3. is about what I expect him to be.

Which is about where Nick landed. But I think what'll be the difference is, he'll be smarter bball IQ wise than Nick.

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388. "Uh. Nick Van Excel had tons of IQ and savvy. "
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>and it'll take 2 seasons to full realize his ability but
>16/17ppg and 7-9apg on 43-44% shooting, 36-37% from 3. is
>about what I expect him to be.

Those are better than Mike Conley numbers. Huge praise.

>Which is about where Nick landed. But I think what'll be the
>difference is, he'll be smarter bball IQ wise than Nick.

Nick was one of the savvier, smarter guards I've seen.

This is why Dallas used to give him the ball over Dirk and
young Nash during crunch time.

So not sure what you mean by "IQ."

Nick had tons of it.

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389. "and Dallas Van Axel wasnt even his peak..."
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his Denver and Laker days...he could play defense, PnR, could shoot the lights out and he was clutch as hell.

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393. "Van Exel had his WTF moments but overall was a very smart player"
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He and Vlade on the same team was comedy because they were both very well-rounded, skilled and imaginative players that would take out-of-nowhere risks. They were not woefully inconsistent like Elden Campbell, rather they just had these impulses they couldn't seem to deny. Van Exel's were kind of cool and smooth (but turnovers just the same), Vlade's were more ridiculous and funny (30 foot behind the back pass, long trey for no apparent reason, etc).

Van Exel had a nice handle, changed speeds well, had a nasty stepback, played well in pick n rolls and had that Gary Payton style postgame where he would drive and then suddenly he had your ass on the box with good position. Very attentive to detail.

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391. "That ain't happening bruh. And Van Exel was an All-Star. "
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Tyus be lucky if he starting in Year 3.

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395. "13/5 and an AS game is doable. LOL...thanks for lowering expectations"
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407. "I guess the overall cumulative stats are doable, I don't see him.."
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ever being what Nick was at his best. Not that he's a bad player, but I think the overall competition at the pg spot and his physical limitations would not have him as a starter in the league.

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436. "Trey Burke and Mario Chalmers start in the NBA"
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Ricky Rubio, Brandon Jennings and up until this year Jameer Nelson...starters. Who was the Knicks starting PG all season? Right.

This kid can start and likely will eventually if not immediately.

He has really good pace, knows how and more importantly WHEN to take over a game with his offense, is clutch and is a very good shooter.

He'll be a lot like Van Exel but he'll be less erratic and more poised imo. No knock on Nick but as alluded to, he could do some crazy stuff on occasion.

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443. "But these guys are talking about Van Exel and Brandon"
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Looking back I wanted to say something about the Bradon post but skipped it. Fuck he was better than Van Exel. They were both very good.

I dunno shit about Jones this year, he is doing anything? Doesn't seem like it if he isn't getting tick on a team that has definitely had minutes available at his position.

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422. "If the 6ers take Okafor because he slides, Hinkie needs to "
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make moves to get him.

Solid PG who seems cold blooded when others wilt. Only his handles seem to be above average but everything else is at least average.

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15. "Cameron Payne"
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86. "Maybe the best classic point guard I saw at the NCAA level"
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I see his potential to play fast and run an offense in all situations as being pretty high. Level of competition was obviously not great overall and doesn't really jump off the screen with size, strength or leaping though.

I think his floor is a very good backup point guard, kind of like Darren Collison at his best but more traditional and a little better. His ceiling is an above average starting point guard who could really contribute to a team that had a couple stars.

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398. "Feels backup-y."
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Not in love with his jumper (though his floater and his array of moves off the dribble are things of beauty), definitely not in love with his defense. I guess people are calling him a better defensive prospect than Jones because of the number of steals and his wingspan, but he did a lot of standing around and watching in the games I watched-- more interested in passing lanes than staying in front of his man.

Only okay in terms of quickness, and definitely not strong-- but he's a winner and a leader and all-around a savvy floor general. I wonder if he'd be shooting up lottery boards like I've seen (I saw someone had him as high as 8 and 9, which feels obscene to me) if he'd played against better competition, because his efficiency offensively against one of the worst SOSes in the league feels inflated, and his team's overall pretty poor defensive efficiency is... alarming, to put it mildly.

If he can actually get it going defensively, he can maybe start-- but I can't bet on a PG to start if he's not a consistent 3 point threat, not especially quick or strong, and not a great defender. I feel like you have to have at least *one* of these things to stay starting.

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413. "Yeah he has the biggest range in the draft, could go between like 8-18"
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16. "Kelly Oubre"
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54. "Overrated. "
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95. "Still like his size and athleticism. Picked the wrong school obviously. "
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But can still be a good rotational player. I have him a notch below Stanley and Justise. But right with Rondae.

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105. "Decent potential, I see a solid starter not a huge star though"
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At the college level he could shoot and run the break. I think it will take some adjustments to get that to transfer to the pros but in a couple years there is no reason it can't. Good length and potential to be a very good defender. I think he can drive well enough to be more than a 3-and-D guy, but he does need to finish stronger to do it in the L. I like him as a respectable, two-way starter.

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