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"dungy: i wouldn't have drafted michael sam"


  

          

http://deadspin.com/tony-dungy-says-he-wouldnt-want-to-deal-with-taking-m-1608350383

It's not a shock that former coach and continued insufferable shit Tony Dungy says he wouldn't want anything to do with an openly gay player on his team. It's just surprising it took someone this long to ask him.

From the Tampa Tribune's story on the NFL's efforts to deal with locker room behavior, including the reception awaiting Michael Sam:

http://tbo.com/sports/bucs/nfl-holding-players-to-higher-standard-20140720/

"I wouldn't have taken him," said former Bucs and Colts coach Tony Dungy, now an analyst for NBC. "Not because I don't believe Michael Sam should have a chance to play, but I wouldn't want to deal with all of it.

"It's not going to be totally smooth … things will happen."

Maybe Dungy could write this off as so many before him have, as just being concerned with "distractions," if Dungy hadn't previously and repeatedly put his religion-endorsed homophobia on display, and if Dungy hadn't been the loudest and most visible champion for Michael Vick, the ultimate distraction, getting a job upon his release from prison.

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dungy: i wouldn't have drafted michael sam [View all] , dula dibiasi, Tue Sep-02-14 04:50 AM
 
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i thought he said this already
Jul 21st 2014
1
lol Thanks Tony.
Jul 21st 2014
2
Robinson/Vick were major talents, Sam is a marginal prospect
Jul 21st 2014
3
yea there's no comparison in terms of talent
Jul 21st 2014
6
*Sighs* Jackie Robinson, eh?
Jul 21st 2014
4
RE: *Sighs* Jackie Robinson, eh?
Jul 21st 2014
7
      I am happy. You seem happy. What is this mysterious conflict you want?
Jul 21st 2014
44
B get waaaaaaay the fugg outta here with that
Jul 21st 2014
9
      yes you can.
Jul 21st 2014
12
      right, nobody was celebrating Jackie Robinson, Michael Sam will be...
Jul 21st 2014
21
           not everything is a 1 to 1 comparison, guys
Jul 21st 2014
35
           to say "nobody celebrated Jackie Robison" connotes that
Jul 21st 2014
43
                RE: to say "nobody celebrated Jackie Robison" connotes that
Jul 21st 2014
47
                     lol nobody's saying that Sam's struggle = Jackie's struggle
Jul 22nd 2014
55
                          Yeah, you made a pretty basic point that's undeniable.
Jul 22nd 2014
56
                          exactly, the rest is just some olympics of misery
Jul 22nd 2014
157
                               Naw b yall neophytes tryna legitimize the sexual preference of some
Jul 22nd 2014
163
                                    ^^^REAL TALK
Jul 23rd 2014
187
                                    Uh, that's not what I am trying to do at all
Jul 23rd 2014
194
                                    you don't get it, and don't want to get it. And that's ok.
Jul 23rd 2014
206
                          Wrong Blacks in America fought for human rights
Jul 22nd 2014
143
Bigot confirms he's a bigot
Jul 21st 2014
5
Bad look for Tone...
Jul 21st 2014
8
i'm cracking off how sam got these folks in a conundrum
Jul 21st 2014
10
dungy wouldn't be my first choice...
Jul 21st 2014
11
TALK ABOUT IT
Jul 21st 2014
13
low blow.
Jul 21st 2014
15
nope. too far.
Jul 21st 2014
16
no it's not. it would be, if Dungy would shut the fuck up.
Jul 21st 2014
18
      He was asked a question about a matter concerning professional football....
Jul 21st 2014
23
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Jul 22nd 2014
79
ugh
Jul 21st 2014
20
I get it.
Jul 21st 2014
30
his outrage gives him the moral leverage to say this, y'all
Jul 23rd 2014
188
tony dungy: i shouldve fathered my son better
Jul 21st 2014
14
sigh
Jul 21st 2014
17
basically...
Jul 21st 2014
19
Agreed.
Jul 21st 2014
24
      yep...
Jul 21st 2014
25
you fucked up a whole thread and gave them a straw man, good job.
Jul 23rd 2014
216
      calling dungy a "bigot" was more than enough
Jul 24th 2014
230
           except he is a bigot though. it's okay to call it that.
Jul 24th 2014
233
                and there it is
Jul 24th 2014
235
A homophobe wouldn't want to coach a gay player?
Jul 21st 2014
22
'distraction' is the dumbest fucking word in football
Jul 21st 2014
26
'distraction' is a screen for bigots to hide behind.
Jul 21st 2014
27
How many professional football games have you played or coached?
Jul 21st 2014
28
As many as you?
Jul 22nd 2014
59
the worst is this whole "well if he was like an mvp they wouldn't say sh...
Jul 21st 2014
29
      drugs? rape? violence? manslaughter? that's cool.
Jul 21st 2014
39
You'd gladly take whatever distractions LT was though lol
Jul 21st 2014
49
this is just bullshit.
Jul 21st 2014
31
exactly.
Jul 21st 2014
42
So magnanimous of the browns to take on the "distraction" that is Johnny...
Jul 21st 2014
33
I really hope Sam is good, so all of the outrage/publicity is worth it
Jul 21st 2014
34
Lol
Jul 21st 2014
38
^^what REALLY matters
Jul 23rd 2014
200
there needs to be an EXCELLENT gay player for good dialogue
Jul 23rd 2014
215
Not sure why this is a big deal
Jul 21st 2014
37
or, he was undersized with mediocre combine numbers
Jul 22nd 2014
74
not suprising..but a bit dissapointing.....
Jul 21st 2014
40
Dungy's stance on this type of thing is no secret, the reporter knew...
Jul 21st 2014
48
      yup, desperate ploy for clicks in a slow sports period...nm
Jul 22nd 2014
60
It was never a problem for Vince Lomabardi
Jul 21st 2014
45
A better argument is if dude is worth the distraction or not...
Jul 21st 2014
46
Th enthusiasm with which people attack unimpeachable public figures
Jul 22nd 2014
50
nah, it's not tony dungy hate...it's recognizing he's wrong
Jul 22nd 2014
52
      I havent read anywhere Tony saying he hated Michael Sam, he said...
Jul 22nd 2014
63
      once again you're actively not trying to understand
Jul 22nd 2014
110
      naw yall just joe and mad he spoke his mind and was honest.
Jul 22nd 2014
145
           that would be a good point if this wasn't about shutting a gay man up.
Jul 22nd 2014
152
                Nobody cares that he is gay he ain't even signed on to his team yet
Jul 22nd 2014
162
                     ok so you're just gonna lie, noted.
Jul 22nd 2014
166
Tony Dungy: "I'd luckily be the Browns Linebackers Coach without Peyton ...
Jul 22nd 2014
51
Chill, whiteboy. He was a great coach. He's just a bigot.
Jul 22nd 2014
57
      Thats just snark
Jul 22nd 2014
61
i can definitely see both sides.
Jul 22nd 2014
53
lol. Tony didn't say any of this:
Jul 22nd 2014
64
      If Sam was a top player/prospect I think Dungy would be willing
Jul 22nd 2014
67
           that only exposes his bigotry more.
Jul 22nd 2014
68
                i think he'd be more of a bigot if he wouldn't want him despite
Jul 22nd 2014
71
                     that would make him a bigger bigot
Jul 22nd 2014
76
                          lol that doesn't make any sense.
Jul 22nd 2014
105
                               RE: lol that doesn't make any sense.
Jul 22nd 2014
132
                                    nah i'm really confused on your assessment of level of bigotry
Jul 22nd 2014
133
                                         no, you're right
Jul 22nd 2014
144
just another blip on the news cycle wheel-o-rage.
Jul 22nd 2014
54
Boy, it's hard being a Christian out here in the public.
Jul 23rd 2014
192
if bobby knight said it nobody wouldve said shit
Jul 22nd 2014
58
With Bobby's history? And the complete lack of anything going on?
Jul 22nd 2014
62
Where was homophobia stated as a reason?
Jul 22nd 2014
65
uhhhh, PETA can be just as intense as homophobic people
Jul 22nd 2014
66
the "distractions" argument has already been debunked
Jul 22nd 2014
69
If it was about talent, he should've said "it's about talent."
Jul 22nd 2014
75
      I get your point. Question ... When has he lobbied for a 7th round
Jul 22nd 2014
121
           If a player has the potential talent to make the team...
Jul 22nd 2014
150
                Frank, the new reality show WAS too much of a distraction, especially
Jul 22nd 2014
159
                     The reality show was after the draft.
Jul 23rd 2014
184
                          The reality show was planned before the draft and canceled
Jul 23rd 2014
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                               Correction: the show was announced 4 days after the draft
Jul 23rd 2014
223
it's either bigotry or cowardice on Dungy's part
Jul 22nd 2014
70
Nah, Oprah's reality show was a bad look
Jul 22nd 2014
72
during a dead period that did not matter in the calendar.
Jul 22nd 2014
78
It would have been cowardice if he would've pretended to be ok with it.....
Jul 22nd 2014
85
or people would've complimented him for putting football first
Jul 22nd 2014
90
      He gave a football reason and an opinion shared by many people which...
Jul 22nd 2014
98
he didn't talk out of pocket. SOMEONE ASKED HIM SOME SHIT!
Jul 23rd 2014
186
      this was one of those times when his,best answer
Jul 23rd 2014
189
           He's not politically or culturally astute enough for that
Jul 23rd 2014
197
Dungy has always been seen as bold and progressive.
Jul 22nd 2014
73
Wasn't Sam projected as a third rounder before he came out?
Jul 22nd 2014
77
that was before the combine too though....
Jul 22nd 2014
80
yep.
Jul 22nd 2014
81
Do you have an actual mock with him in 3rd round selected?
Jul 22nd 2014
84
      cbs had him ranked as the 90th prospect
Jul 22nd 2014
88
3rd day, not 3rd round, didn't see anyone havin him in Top 90 selections
Jul 22nd 2014
82
RE: Wasn't Sam projected as a third rounder before he came out?
Jul 22nd 2014
83
so we comparing michael sam to michale vick now?
Jul 22nd 2014
86
no, just dungy's stances on "distractions".
Jul 22nd 2014
91
theres levels to this shit tho..risk and reward factor
Jul 22nd 2014
93
      how do you know that exactly? he hasn't played a down.
Jul 22nd 2014
107
RE: so we comparing michael sam to michale vick now?
Jul 22nd 2014
92
      just bcz he didnt say it..we have to look at it the other way?
Jul 22nd 2014
94
           RE: just bcz he didnt say it..we have to look at it the other way?
Jul 22nd 2014
97
and this is how market inefficiencies exist
Jul 22nd 2014
87
Billy Bean never should have written that book
Jul 22nd 2014
95
      go sell jeans
Jul 22nd 2014
96
      correction: the computer should have never written that book.
Jul 22nd 2014
109
so if clowney came out as gay and is a distraction..does dungy
Jul 22nd 2014
89
RE: so if clowney came out as gay and is a distraction..does dungy
Jul 22nd 2014
99
cmon murph..you dont have to be a mind reader to know the answer
Jul 22nd 2014
103
      RE: cmon murph..you dont have to be a mind reader to know the answer
Jul 22nd 2014
112
That's kinda the point, you deal with the media circus that goes along.....
Jul 22nd 2014
100
exactly and tony dungy has become a respected football mind
Jul 22nd 2014
101
RE: That's kinda the point, you deal with the media circus that goes alo...
Jul 22nd 2014
106
stop lying about Tebow
Jul 22nd 2014
111
      not really talking about New England...
Jul 22nd 2014
117
      not to mention tebow was drafted in the 1st round
Jul 22nd 2014
120
prob not. bottom line is dungy can't say anything negative about
Jul 22nd 2014
102
pretty much...but apparently that makes him a bigger bigot somehow.
Jul 22nd 2014
104
can someone explain to me how the SEC DPOY is suddenly shit?
Jul 22nd 2014
108
Look at the list of previous winners and tell me Sam is on that level?
Jul 22nd 2014
113
which is why i acknowledged that alone doesn't tell the whole story
Jul 22nd 2014
114
RE: Look at the list of previous winners and tell me Sam is on that leve...
Jul 22nd 2014
116
      right. meanwhile the story pretty much disappeared
Jul 22nd 2014
118
           RE: right. meanwhile the story pretty much disappeared
Jul 22nd 2014
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                because his answer looks hypocritical.
Jul 22nd 2014
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                     RE: because his answer looks hypocritical.
Jul 22nd 2014
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                          what do they have to get ready for exactly?
Jul 22nd 2014
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                               lol...
Jul 22nd 2014
138
he's an undersized defensive end that doesn't really have the skills or....
Jul 22nd 2014
123
damn
Jul 22nd 2014
125
IMO, he doesn't translate to an NFL DE
Jul 22nd 2014
124
thanks for this, guys. (you and Truth)
Jul 22nd 2014
126
Jackson Jeffcoat. Big12 DPOY, Consensus All-American. Undrafted
Jul 22nd 2014
164
tony dungy is a detestable human
Jul 22nd 2014
115
So when would it be okay to be a gay football player?
Jul 22nd 2014
119
the next one will be less if a distraction. as will the one after and so...
Jul 22nd 2014
122
Teams rarely give a shit about 'distractions'
Jul 22nd 2014
134
      at the end of the day it IS all about football and the bottom line is wh...
Jul 22nd 2014
142
           i get your point, but unless it's bad publicity they shouldn't avoid it
Jul 22nd 2014
148
are we throwing everybody that co-signs Dungy's statements into
Jul 22nd 2014
127
boy that manti te'o sure was a distraction last season
Jul 22nd 2014
130
remember that dude who went to jail
Jul 22nd 2014
136
truthfully he was partially helped by getting hurt in the first pre-seas...
Jul 22nd 2014
137
RE: truthfully he was partially helped by getting hurt in the first pre-...
Jul 22nd 2014
140
nah, football happened. that's why people forgot.
Jul 22nd 2014
141
2nd rounder who started every game once he came back from injury
Jul 22nd 2014
139
Te'o? Mr. Notre Dame? Te'o that WILLED them to Natl Champ Game?
Jul 23rd 2014
227
This might be the stupidest slow news story ever...
Jul 22nd 2014
146
This has gotten messy
Jul 22nd 2014
149
it doesn't matter if he's a serious baller
Jul 22nd 2014
154
Fuck I wish we could fast forward past this bullshit
Jul 22nd 2014
151
i responded to the wrong post
Jul 22nd 2014
153
That dude's the biggest homophobic troll on this board
Jul 22nd 2014
155
      No trolling, true feelings and opinions, its the most tiresome..
Jul 22nd 2014
156
I told them hold the mushrooms on my sandwich. They were on there
Jul 22nd 2014
158
      NO ONE CAN COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!
Jul 22nd 2014
160
           both of you idiots miss the point..
Jul 22nd 2014
179
                what about Michael Sam says this?
Jul 23rd 2014
190
                i'll just let you be mad
Jul 23rd 2014
195
                yet again, zero intelligence in your responses..
Jul 23rd 2014
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                gay east coaster?
Jul 23rd 2014
207
Confused Dungy In Conflict With Himself
Jul 22nd 2014
161
Damn. Whitlock was on LeBetard giving Dungy that ether.
Jul 22nd 2014
165
Well...if Jason Whitlock is behind the argument it must be true.
Jul 22nd 2014
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      I'm actually seldom a fan of Whitlock's work.
Jul 22nd 2014
182
still amazed by mob mentality and media spin in 2014
Jul 22nd 2014
167
Seriously. I'd give 1 word interviews from now on
Jul 22nd 2014
169
Don't forget Mark Jackson too.
Jul 22nd 2014
170
right? it's like there's an agenda to destroy our simp christian values
Jul 22nd 2014
183
no you're not
Jul 22nd 2014
171
      i've read "detestable" and some shit about his son
Jul 22nd 2014
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           you're not surprised. you know the internet
Jul 22nd 2014
174
           nah, i'm genuinely surprised by the level of outrage floppage
Jul 22nd 2014
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           I'm surprised by the son stuff.
Jul 23rd 2014
185
           Disagreeing with Tony on whether he would've drafted him?
Jul 22nd 2014
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                we don't need to rehash this. you know why we think it was a wrong thing...
Jul 22nd 2014
178
                     And it's pretty obvious I disagree with the overall disdain of Dungy
Jul 22nd 2014
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                          well i don't disdain dungy. i disagree with him.
Jul 22nd 2014
181
                               lol....but there's nothing for you to agree or disagree with.
Jul 23rd 2014
199
                                    what an atrociously bad analogy
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                         Tony said he wouldn't draft Sam cuz he felt there would be distractions.
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                         do you think you're clever with this point?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                         Tony never said Sam doesn't belong in the NFL, he said HE wouldn't...
Jul 23rd 2014
211
                                              Exactly. Lol...so why they're disagreeing with how he should draft...
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                              why wouldn't you?
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                                   Nah. You can't disagree with whatever reason he chooses.
Jul 23rd 2014
225
                                              because sam likes fish tacos.
Jul 23rd 2014
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                                                   RE: because sam likes fish sticks.
Jul 23rd 2014
218
           ^^^^
Jul 23rd 2014
191
           this neatly sums up why these particular convos here are insufferable
Jul 23rd 2014
193
           Best post in here
Jul 25th 2014
241
Saturating my NFL season with constant yap about this dude
Jul 22nd 2014
172
Don't worry, it won't last unless he is a surprisingly awesome player
Jul 23rd 2014
196
      I hope you're right
Jul 23rd 2014
226
Delete
Jul 22nd 2014
175
Jul 23rd 2014
201
Stephen A made a somewhat decent point this morning
Jul 23rd 2014
202
lol, that's because Vick did something wrong.
Jul 23rd 2014
203
      RE: lol, that's because Vick did something wrong.
Jul 23rd 2014
204
           they shouldn't. but they will
Jul 23rd 2014
209
           i'm not saying people NEED to do anything, but the answers will get bori...
Jul 23rd 2014
220
Guess Dungy's just a weak-willed leader
Jul 23rd 2014
219
      http://i.imgur.com/fFI7GJb.jpg
Jul 23rd 2014
221
      lolol
Jul 24th 2014
229
      he's a champion and not a bigot. fisher is fisher.
Jul 23rd 2014
224
DISTRACTIONS
Jul 23rd 2014
205
Sometimes a supreme ASSHOLE gets it right (Whitlock gets at Dungy-SWIPE)
Jul 24th 2014
228
well, this certainly escalated.
Jul 24th 2014
231
RE: well, this certainly escalated.
Jul 24th 2014
234
Wonder Twins Activate: Herm Dogg Chips In
Jul 24th 2014
232
This is old. Y'all missed the out rage expiration date on this vid.
Jul 24th 2014
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      fuck an expiration date... it's the same shit, lol
Jul 24th 2014
237
           So you should dig up clips of everybody who's said something..
Jul 24th 2014
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                if they're wrong, they're wrong.
Jul 25th 2014
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                     I think that was back in Feb right after Sam came out, all the talking.....
Jul 25th 2014
240
http://i.imgur.com/W2liP2n.gif
Jul 26th 2014
242
Michael Sam was dropped by the NFL because 'no one wants the distraction...
Sep 02nd 2014
243
"It's a distraction" is such a lazy excuse
Sep 02nd 2014
244
      Eric Woods is kinda right, you can blame ESPN and some of the other...
Sep 02nd 2014
245
           RE: Eric Woods is kinda right, you can blame ESPN and some of the other....
Sep 02nd 2014
246
           RE: Eric Woods is kinda right, you can blame ESPN and some of the other....
Sep 02nd 2014
248
           hmm....according to a former NFL front office guy on Mike and MIke...
Sep 02nd 2014
251
           well shit he was SEC DPOY....i'd hope so
Sep 02nd 2014
252
           Pete Prisco, tho?
Sep 02nd 2014
253
           ESPN is definitely not helping him..
Sep 02nd 2014
258
           this number game plea is kind of weird
Sep 02nd 2014
249
                I honestly think I was the first person to say "numbers game"...
Sep 02nd 2014
255
                     The Rams DID sign a d-lineman to the practice squad, it just wasn't...
Sep 02nd 2014
256
                          now the practice squad shit...I'm TOTALLY confused about.
Sep 02nd 2014
257
                               that is pretty baffling on the rams part
Sep 02nd 2014
260
                                    lol, what so "baffling"? He wasn't good enough so he got cut...
Sep 02nd 2014
261
                                         actually 2 of them did
Sep 03rd 2014
264
                                              QB and DB are positions of need so it makes sense to take a longer...
Sep 03rd 2014
265
           outside of the TV deal, what did Sam do wrong exactly?
Sep 02nd 2014
250
           the tv deal wasn't nixed, it was postponed until he actually made a team...
Sep 02nd 2014
254
                oprah's people called it a postponement
Sep 02nd 2014
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                     luckily Josina Anderson didn't name the player that said that Sam was...
Sep 02nd 2014
262
           And that's ultimately a front office issue
Sep 03rd 2014
263
                and you're going to avoid known potential issues for a marginal player
Sep 03rd 2014
266
I wish he could sue for this bullshit. Especially ESPN
Sep 02nd 2014
247
Sue for what?
Sep 03rd 2014
267
can we delete this from OKS or move it to GD? this shit is dumb
Sep 03rd 2014
268
but you're all up and through the GD post so......
Sep 04th 2014
269
lol, yet you STILL have half the replies
Sep 04th 2014
270
Not sure why my post was deleted, but this is a big deal if the NFL is.....
Mar 24th 2016
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you do make a lot of 'gay' related posts but its extra funny that all th...
Mar 24th 2016
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      no, he upped both of them.
Mar 24th 2016
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      well yeah his post got deleted. I prolly woulda done the same,
Mar 24th 2016
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      I make a lot of posts about a lot of shit, the notion that I make more.....
Mar 24th 2016
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           real quick: how many Rams' 7th round picks can you name?
Mar 24th 2016
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