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"10 hours of walking NYC as a woman"


  

          

damn NY

http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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but what about the male perspective????
Oct 28th 2014
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exactly what was she wearing?
Oct 28th 2014
6
HOW ELSE I'M 'POSED TO MEET BITCHES???
Oct 28th 2014
79
      LOL
Oct 28th 2014
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If men didnt holla, society wouldnt exist
Oct 28th 2014
57
      oh ye of little imagination
Oct 28th 2014
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      Nah
Oct 28th 2014
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           lol. then we'll be an endangered species
Oct 29th 2014
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this is good stuff.
Oct 28th 2014
2
yep
Oct 28th 2014
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does "have a nice evening" count as one of the 100+
Oct 28th 2014
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I blame hip hop too
Oct 28th 2014
4
Unless they're wishing everybody on that street a nice evening...
Oct 28th 2014
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an insincere salutation doesn't equate to harassment
Oct 28th 2014
7
That's why I said "at best".
Oct 28th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 28th 2014
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that's fair. would you consider any unwanted statement
Oct 28th 2014
26
      Essentially, yep.
Oct 28th 2014
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      nah not legally, just as a social more
Oct 28th 2014
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      i'm assuming backbone is male and unless he's hollered at
Oct 28th 2014
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           THIS
Oct 28th 2014
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good afternoon / good evening
Oct 28th 2014
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      definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
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           RE: definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
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                i think my tendency is to see the remarks as qualitatively different
Oct 28th 2014
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                     dude at :39
Oct 28th 2014
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^^^^^^^^^
Oct 28th 2014
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yeah, I'm with you on that
Oct 28th 2014
12
many years ago on okp, i made a post named "have a nice day."
Oct 28th 2014
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'have a nice evening' doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Oct 28th 2014
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ugh this is my life
Oct 28th 2014
8
how is that being a sellout?
Oct 28th 2014
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      its changing my behavior to avoid shit i shouldnt have to deal
Oct 28th 2014
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yup. that's about right :(
Oct 28th 2014
10
I'm sorry Teef n/m
Oct 28th 2014
14
what if an attractive guy says have a nice day to you?
Oct 28th 2014
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      i'm going to chase after him and marry him
Oct 28th 2014
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      It's not about attraction, it's about the setting.
Oct 29th 2014
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Valid & yet, I'm concerned about the presentation.
Oct 28th 2014
11
here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff...
Oct 28th 2014
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wrong spot.
Oct 28th 2014
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or maybe more people walk/take public trans in NY than most other cities
Oct 28th 2014
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I think it's just volume. more people on any given street
Oct 28th 2014
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With the volume issue you mentioned
Oct 28th 2014
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      I think this is a huge part of it
Oct 28th 2014
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RE: here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff...
Oct 28th 2014
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LA native, NYC transplant here-
Oct 28th 2014
      People will go off their route just to be fucking creepy
Oct 28th 2014
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I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
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i think gay men should hit on straight men more
Oct 28th 2014
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I don't think most men are physically intimidated by other men
Oct 28th 2014
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      Intimidated, maybe not; On guard? Definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
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a bat, sis?
Oct 28th 2014
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Its a mini bat day bat lol I leave out at 4:45 5 am for the gym
Oct 28th 2014
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      East Orange NJ used to call that a "nigga beware" bat
Oct 28th 2014
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           south jersey version: "nigga be cool" stick. worked on dogs, too.
Oct 28th 2014
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           Pretty much. The front desk staffer at my gym called it a nigga beater
Oct 28th 2014
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           Yeah I got a big ass wrench in my truck for the same purpose
Oct 28th 2014
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           call mines the "nigga be good stick"
Oct 29th 2014
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lol for real? like a full sized louisville slugger?
Oct 28th 2014
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WTF?
Oct 28th 2014
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extremely disturbing. get that spray friend
Oct 28th 2014
34
mini bat I want a big one. When I have the lil bat out, not one "Hi...
Oct 28th 2014
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In toronto pepper spray is illegal, BUT bear spray!
Oct 28th 2014
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OOH thanks!
Oct 28th 2014
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that is horrible :(
Oct 28th 2014
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http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/112255.gif
Oct 28th 2014
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shiiiit that would work if i left the house for those 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
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Nope you have to leave the house and wear clothing of the season.
Oct 28th 2014
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      why do i wanna leave the house if i already got a beautiful woman
Oct 28th 2014
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      for the same reason you're not at home
Oct 28th 2014
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           well you obviously don't know me as well as you think
Oct 28th 2014
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                that's true.
Oct 28th 2014
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      pretty sure he was implying that he'd be masturbating
Oct 28th 2014
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RE: I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
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I've considered it. For now its the bat. I have a tight schedule.
Oct 28th 2014
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      Visable weapon? Wow.
Oct 28th 2014
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no snark intended but...where do you stash your bat when you arrive
Oct 28th 2014
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I put it in my gym locker
Oct 28th 2014
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i agree.
Oct 28th 2014
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      I'm glad you know what I mean. Not glad you were objectified
Oct 28th 2014
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           not a damn clue
Oct 28th 2014
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i think you ladies can all tough this shit out.
Oct 28th 2014
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AWARENESS
Oct 28th 2014
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that's bullshit.
Oct 28th 2014
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      this is some reductio ad absurdum bullshit
Oct 28th 2014
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           my issue is with the word assault.
Oct 28th 2014
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                okay, pumpkin.
Oct 28th 2014
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                     RE: okay, pumpkin.
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                     haha, i'm pumpkin. yall fighting the cause against dudes saying mami.
Oct 28th 2014
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                          just to make you feel better we'll call the assaults 'tiddlies'.
Oct 28th 2014
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                               i posted a loose definition of assault above
Oct 28th 2014
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                                    most of the woman-haters in here are also class clowns
Oct 28th 2014
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You're ignoring
Oct 28th 2014
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Why is most of that video her walking down 125th in Harlem
Oct 28th 2014
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it doesnt matter. it happens everywhere
Oct 28th 2014
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I'm not denying it happens in other places
Oct 28th 2014
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      fair enough.
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word, they knew the reaction they would walking on 25th
Oct 28th 2014
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      not to be extreme but that's basically saying
Oct 28th 2014
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           no, it's saying they purposely went to the "hood"/ black part of manhatt...
Oct 29th 2014
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That's why I don't even speak to women in the streets
Oct 28th 2014
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if it weren't for OKP, this issue would barely be on my radar
Oct 28th 2014
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I mean..how else are you suppose to ask someone out?
Oct 28th 2014
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there are proper channels. the street is not one of them
Oct 28th 2014
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yea but that could be my wife walking out of quik trip
Oct 28th 2014
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      but your wife might feel threatened. you wanna threaten your wife?
Oct 28th 2014
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      making an impassioned plea on craigslist missed connections
Oct 28th 2014
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      lol how nutless is that
Oct 28th 2014
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           not as nutless as making a woman feel afraid to just
Oct 28th 2014
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                i understand the fear completely...but i know plenty of women
Oct 28th 2014
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                     there. you know plenty of women that fit your mold.
Oct 28th 2014
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      imagine there are dozens of other guys shooting a ball
Oct 28th 2014
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           i was raised by a single mother...ive heard all kinds of shit
Oct 28th 2014
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                but *your* polite intentions do not always translate
Oct 28th 2014
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                now take the next step.
Oct 28th 2014
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                     i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention
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                     the species doesn't depend on QuikTrip hollas.
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                     i ain't shit. sorry.
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                          LOL
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                     RE: i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention
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                          lol thats awesome how u do that
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                               lol you typed it though
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                                    lets be clear here. i only street holler if the girl is a complete godde...
Oct 28th 2014
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                                         and you give her no option to engage with you
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                                              so how would you prefer a man to approach you?
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                                                   #180
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                                                   You make it sound like seeing women is rare.
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                                                        Ionno fam.. that sounds a little weird.
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                                                        Do you ask random people who look successful for jobs in the street?
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                                                             #actually.. yes, I have talked to what appeared to be successful...
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                                                        ok some of yall are just fucking crazy
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                                                             Where's the grey area here?
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                     The way you portray it, a woman should never be approached
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                          we're not having this conversation.
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                               oh please oh pleaaaase
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                                    lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question.
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                                         No? Your surrrre...you promise?
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                                         See #435 & 436
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                                         RE: lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question.
Oct 29th 2014
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I wait for a woman to speak to me and then go from there
Oct 28th 2014
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Let me be honest and say it makes me furious
Oct 28th 2014
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yup! i walk around t.o. with my gf
Oct 28th 2014
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      Or maybe you're hella slammable & nobody worried abt you
Oct 28th 2014
           duh. i was joking about my validity.
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                You do too, asshat. You just ignore it.
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                     that doesn't make it okay.
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                     *Ignores it*
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                          That's why we have guns. nm
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                               . . .
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shit's wild...
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99% of that isnt genuine pursuit
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      99% of most pursuit isn't
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           nah....maybe 85% isnt.
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           that doesn't make it better
Oct 28th 2014
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What does Hollaback do with $$? How do they stop it? *googles now*
Oct 28th 2014
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i was wondering the same thing
Oct 29th 2014
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I blame matriarchy.
Oct 28th 2014
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most of my feelings have already been conveyed
Oct 28th 2014
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RE:savages fam?
Oct 28th 2014
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      yes, Im from 4 blocks south of 125th Street
Oct 28th 2014
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Shoshanna is her name
Oct 28th 2014
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^HOW CREEPY IS THIS?!!?
Oct 28th 2014
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Very. Melmag's always been rapey.
Oct 28th 2014
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      yeah he's one of the true low life's here
Oct 28th 2014
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i really hate when you guys link the mobile version of websites
Oct 28th 2014
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this is NOT unique to NYC.
Oct 28th 2014
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Move to the fucking suburbs or stfu...
Oct 28th 2014
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I don't understand why you can't give me the head nod
Oct 28th 2014
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      NEWS TO BIN: EVEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T WORK
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      Fuck you, Bin.
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           I'm offended that you think I shoukd GAF that you offended
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                Yeah, it's obvious that you don't care. I wouldn't be so proud of it, th...
Oct 29th 2014
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Message: NYC dudes have been...and are still gameless. Got it.
Oct 28th 2014
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thats another thing too...dude just walked next to her for 5 mins
Oct 28th 2014
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can yall not understand it ain't just happening in NYC or the east coast...
Oct 28th 2014
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damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies
Oct 28th 2014
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posts like this bring out the true misogynists.
Oct 28th 2014
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maybe yall should be more specific
Oct 28th 2014
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some of you are dense as hell
Oct 28th 2014
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lol we all got usernames on here...who are you talking about
Oct 28th 2014
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      misygony isnt about just hating women
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yes. 'misogyny' is an OKP invention.
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online isnt just okp
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      misogyny is an extreme term
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      okay, dude.
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there is a way to approach a woman while being respectful and
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      Perfect.
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      the fact that you have to explain this to people
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by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy.
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      RE: by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy.
Oct 28th 2014
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      this nigga, lmao
Oct 28th 2014
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      bro, you doin' hella much in this post.
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      name anything, any event with a woman...now compare it with sex
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           RE:
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                Well hell, this explains everything you a communist.
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                     RE: lol. at least i know you ain't a scumbag like these other
Oct 28th 2014
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      I know you joking but....
Oct 29th 2014
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RE: damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies
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ole boy walking alongside her for 4+ min was creepy as fuck
Oct 28th 2014
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What's the solution?
Oct 28th 2014
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violence.
Oct 28th 2014
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it really is perspective. that woman. your mom. your sister.
Oct 28th 2014
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      mom/sister...eh.
Oct 28th 2014
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           some ppl are more empathetic to women they know
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           yeah. sure.
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           there was some of that in this very post :(
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                i know, right?
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                yep. i mentioned my mama
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                     So cuz yo mama
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                          wow smh lmao
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by teaching men and boys that women are not porno images come to life.
Oct 28th 2014
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honestly what are yalls social circles like that its that bad?
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okay. i've done what i've could. i can't help you understand this.
Oct 28th 2014
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This isn't fish in a barrel. It's not okay to find the
Oct 28th 2014
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      I bet 99% of street hollas don't end with rape or an attack
Oct 28th 2014
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           YOU SOUND REAL RAPEY RIGHT NOW
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                pointing out a stat isn't minimizing the act
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                     using a "stat" you pulled out of your ass as justification IS tho
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If you think you're being polite, ask yourself WHY you're being polite
Oct 28th 2014
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      rape and assault isn't about wanting to "has the sex" though
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           rape, sexual assault, and street harrassment all have roots of
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                read what i replied to
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                     my point was that the end game of politeness
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                          i dont see the problem with that
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                          There's nothing wrong with pursuing sex.
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                               but is that fear reasonable?
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                                    it is based on the anecotes
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                                    it's like when cops follow me in the rearview
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                                         i think this is it
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                                    read my replies very carefully.
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                          ^^^^^^^^
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they should do the same set up, with a
Oct 28th 2014
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here's the thing: you can't separate "misogyny" from "rom...
Oct 28th 2014
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i think indie material like this is community-based education
Oct 28th 2014
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One reason I don't do street hollas. Not trying to be annoying nigga #10...
Oct 28th 2014
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TELL ME TO HAVE A NICE DAY ON THE STREET AND IT'LL BE YOU LAST DAY ALIVE
Oct 28th 2014
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I almost SHOCKED no one has yet to ask the question wether or not...
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who hurt you?
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      i aint hurt at all hun, just plain ol' TIRED of the bullshit. let's --
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           How very sad.
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                YES absolutely! I totally agree and I'm sure the older generation does--
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i always take issue with objectification = misogyny
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For every 2 single okplayery antisocial broad there are @10k saying the
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the type of man to street hollar is generally one of those two
Oct 28th 2014
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i go to clubs and bars
Oct 28th 2014
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It's annoying...I get it...but I guarantee....u know what. .nvmd
Oct 28th 2014
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all that eh
Oct 28th 2014
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I associate with chix who go thru phones, drive ES250s, and take ig pics
Oct 28th 2014
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      lol
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      valid
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      god bless you lol
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      I feel like this should explain a lot lol
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      Not the ES250...
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its's us who are antisocial when you got grown men up in here asking
Oct 28th 2014
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the replies in here from MRAs make ya wanna log off
Oct 28th 2014
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Reminds me of this vid from a few years ago
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That one nigga that followed her for 5 minutes straight
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but he was RESPECTFUL! and she MIGHT BE HIS WIFE!!
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IF she ain't wanna be hollard at she shouldn't worn such tight pants
Oct 28th 2014
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      HOW WILL HE KNOW if he don't holla at her??
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           LOFL. this was a great exchange
Oct 28th 2014
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that nigga was legit scary lol
Oct 28th 2014
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this morning, 6am still dark outside...dude in a CAR followed me
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      RE: Nope your fault, for being attractive and outside when
Oct 28th 2014
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           change that to being a woman and outside when dark
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meanwhile women in Iran gettin acid tossed on em.
Oct 28th 2014
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and women in Ohio are getting set on fire.
Oct 28th 2014
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and women in Detroit are getting their necks slashed
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women in DC are getting dragged into bushes.
Oct 28th 2014
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Australian woman strangled by man she tried to help.
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thank you for more examples of women actually being assaulted.
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      no problem. and the point is that women don't know
Oct 28th 2014
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      we agree. i'm just saying they are two different things.
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           that is 'assault'.
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                ok. so all these men should be charged with assault.
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                     don't feel bad. ain't nobody calling you a criminal.
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      Yes because having "DAMN!" yelled at you 20x is not assault
Oct 28th 2014
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a young girl in CT was murdered this spring b/she rejected a boy.
Oct 28th 2014
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RE: my lord, wow.
Oct 28th 2014
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Meanwhile women in Detroit get shot to death
Oct 28th 2014
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ur not very intelligent
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how many of the men in here defending this are single?
Oct 28th 2014
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i'm not
Oct 28th 2014
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yeah i dont think youre in the lane i was thinking comparatively
Oct 28th 2014
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the better question is
Oct 28th 2014
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Literally got mine by hollering on a street corner
Oct 28th 2014
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be real. you found her online. didnt you
Oct 28th 2014
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50/50
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cool story bro
Oct 28th 2014
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Nope! Street corner!
Oct 28th 2014
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if that's the story that helps you keep your point going *shrug*
Oct 28th 2014
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and you would be correct, he's trying to fit the story to
Oct 28th 2014
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      like i said.
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you lying like a motherfucka
Oct 28th 2014
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      bitch you wasn't even there
Oct 28th 2014
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           oh you are probably telling the truth, i just like when your blood press...
Oct 28th 2014
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i was in one for a while...
Oct 28th 2014
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met my wife on tap street holla
Oct 28th 2014
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im single as hell. but im not defending dudes in the video tho
Oct 28th 2014
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no one in here, I repeat NO ONE, is defending harassment but that's not....
Oct 28th 2014
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      Yes...yes you are
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      ponder this, brainiac...
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           who hurt you
Oct 29th 2014
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           "pressed"? really? FUCK OFF...how's that, better?
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                lol
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           so you combat this by...
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      what you deem worthy does not make it any less harassing
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           #451
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what's up with
Oct 28th 2014
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RE: what's up with
Oct 28th 2014
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the 2nd part of that is mad subjective
Oct 28th 2014
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To quote Whitney Houston: how will I know...?
Oct 28th 2014
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so many "I" statements in your reply.
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let's think abt the alternative shall we?
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      and now the "I"'s have been replaced with "me"s
Oct 28th 2014
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      So men should not consider themselves at all in the scenario.
Oct 28th 2014
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           men should not just consider themselves.
Oct 28th 2014
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                So then shouldn't women also consider the other person as well?
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                     *finger guns*
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      now do it from her perspective:
Oct 28th 2014
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      STOP MAKING SENSE! dey dont/ wont hear ya.
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i get hollared at on a semi regular basis. im 7ft. it happens
Oct 28th 2014
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nigga if you were a foot shorter, you would be polo.
Oct 28th 2014
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nah its in me man. if i was a foot shorter id be still gettin em
Oct 28th 2014
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^ hating ass niggas be like
Oct 28th 2014
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when was the last time you thought one of those women would hurt you?
Oct 28th 2014
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      just once and that was a transwoman
Oct 28th 2014
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      great.
Oct 28th 2014
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      big broad in Downtown Detroit circa 1994
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           i believe that actually happened. that sounds like a real event.
Oct 28th 2014
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they holla even goofier and cruddier than ya'll think
Oct 28th 2014
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in some places, that's known as "socializing"
Oct 28th 2014
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      im thinking this is it...cuz if you dont speak down here
Oct 28th 2014
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      it's a difference between speaking to everyone, and speaking to only
Oct 28th 2014
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      It was called that in Michigan too.
Oct 28th 2014
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its totally f*cked up and it will never ever ever stop
Oct 28th 2014
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this is kinda where im at
Oct 28th 2014
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i don't think women understand how men are so affected by 'beauty'
Oct 28th 2014
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Total cosign.
Oct 28th 2014
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that dude walking side by side talking about God bless you
Oct 28th 2014
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I kind of wonder how alienated women that don't get this feels
Oct 28th 2014
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Plain Janes get the same treatment.
Oct 28th 2014
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      tumblr activists say otherwise.
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      *sigh*
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           really nigga???
Oct 28th 2014
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                good luck w/this, player.
Oct 28th 2014
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                     why the cop-out tho? huuuh. me thinks he's introduced an interesting
Oct 28th 2014
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                          b/c this is not my first day on the Internet.
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                               fair enough, but I've seen you go hard in the paint on likewise 'bait'--
Oct 28th 2014
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                                    oh, not at all.
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                                         riiiiiight (c) Raekwon...I bid you adieu, sir.
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                                              exactly.
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      nah. it makes a difference. but thats not the point!!! lol
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           you say that and other women say otherwise.
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                hey. im just speaking from my personal experience.
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                     i believe that's true.
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Mostly black guys too
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im here reading this post *stunned*
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it's not a black issue.
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      i dont agree.
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      i'm sure you don't. thankfully there are ppl who see the issue.
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           lol FOH dude
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                there is an international effort to address street harassment.
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                     it is an international problem (duh--because men are men)
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                          why do you think so?
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                               these are generalizations...
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                               okay.
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                               you ever been outside of the US for an extended period of time?
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                               tails. Niggers have tails.
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      I still think that black men are the most aggressive with their pursuit
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      how long did it take you to form that thought?
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      What's the point of this?
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      now that i think about it, i don't care.
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           off topic
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           the inbox is closed. OKP fuckery happens in inboxes.
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                no pressure.
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           k. Good luck with that chip on your shoulder.
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           thanks.
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           Dude, you're mansplaining right now, lol.
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                ikr?
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      lmao
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      i am curious about how it would be for her in a whiter area
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      That's why the ad is hollow b/c the primary victims/targets of sh by Bl...
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      Travel
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      No it's not. It's disproportionately black (majority?)
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      I agree
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I wanna be dismissive of the issue but it would be too Bill O'Reily-ish...
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its weird. on the one hand i find it extremely flattering
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There's a lot if thirsty, creepy dudes
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Shout out to Gradiant Lair for this
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*chokes on water*
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Welp
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*right clicks saves*
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nearly all of these boxes are covered in this post.
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As a man who doesn't street holler or live in NY, WTF dyw us to do?
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in all honesty, what do you know about their education
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the first thing you can do is get out of your feelings.
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*insert sowhat bland response here*
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youre a man, why wld you see it?
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      I believe you, but can you give some specific area's where it's pronounc...
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good gracious just watched, that's horrible. I'm treating all the women ...
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lol @ a fruit tray
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Ladies when you get older and the street hollers decrease
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are men really this oblivious? like i'm not even mad anymore
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they really really really think its complimentary
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      I don't like when it happens to these teen girls I know
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      They also think we should grateful to receive it
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           Sorry for asking a question
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                i mean...from our perspective its insulting
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                Nah you aren't
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YES!
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I can address this as well
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my answer as a 43 year old: hell yes. i love that it doesn't happen as m...
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NATIONAL STUDY on street harassment. OUTSIDE NYC.
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whoa whoa whoa. let's not pretend
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let me highlight for them
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      Yeah, im reading it now
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thank you for this swipe.
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fantastic link
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******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****
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RE: ******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****
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This has been happening to me since I was 11
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When I was teaching I saw dudes holla at my students...who were in 7th g...
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I didnt even mention this LBVS
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Ughh exactly...
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^ even hijab doesn't stop it.
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      why would it. it obviously is worn by Muslim women on purpose
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I see....
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No, we are not. Not at all. Too much work required
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i applaud sowhat. solidarity like a motherfucker.
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Nah, it's a lowkey plot to eradicate 'breeders'. You niggas is blind.
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      YES!!!! lol
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      Now that you mention it. I've been having a lot of gay sex lately.
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      LOFL
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      he is awfully pressed though
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Empathy lost.
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empathy requires you to imagine that other ppl aren't you.
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!!!!! where you been?!
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MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
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How are you is street harassment?! Wait, WAT????
Oct 28th 2014
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The redline some are drawing makes them seem downright asocial
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have to love how
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      Why do you have to go to such a crass extreme?
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           hilarious
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                Maybe you didn't read my post...
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                     Yeah you're a clown
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                          Nah I'm good. I'm going to keep talking to strangers
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                               Youre not though
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                                    lol
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                                    See? You're not okay.
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                                    yeaaaa u on that psycho shit
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                                         Not sure why people are suprised
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you are trying to fuck
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      Again, so extreme. Is it hard to believe men aren't all sex craved lunat...
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      ^^^ Yeah this. Some women need to admit to their own fears/paranoia
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      Police officers just want to protect and serve
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      So then why did you specify "a pretty girl"
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      I resent that statement
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           if you are saying hello to each and every person you see
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                Saying hi to people is common everywhere.
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                     So you won't say hi specifically to men for a day
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                          I'm sorry that you deal with savages
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                               no you're not
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                                    How would you know?
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                                         she doesn't, its called projecting....
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rabbits and ducks and large game get a break from being hunted.
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Must you be extreme?
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lol
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don't block your blessings, lfresh.
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      Heaven forfend and bless you
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      lmao.
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the men too poor, uneducated, and unsocializable
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how about just don't do it to avoid making somebody's day worse?
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10hrs of walking vs.YEARS of just plain living-
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main question is: would all of the men who don't
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Anything minus touching, stalking or blatant thirst is cool.
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smile or you should smile is not cool for everyone
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yup, or you just aren't interested.
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are you saying it's cool for dudes to
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      I would not take offense with anyone approaching me like that.
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           every guy that says hello may not be a monster
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I have been catcalled by women before...it was a weird feeling.
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      I feel like if dudes went out on 125th
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           Don't forget the context of sexual assault stats either.
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           Did I try to say it was the same thing though?
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           definitely but people keep saying
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           This is a false equivalency
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                RE: This is a false equivalency
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Seems like there are three catergories of the street holler.
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How To Talk To Women (Link):
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How to Tell if Behavior is Sexual Harassment:
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Nothing in either post I didn't know (all common sense), and both were n...
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      good for you, Buddy G.
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           You are slickly evading my questions and deflecting. It's cool.
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                what should you do about hollas that some women like?
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the very last part is what is messy about life.
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      I see the man of my dreams daily on the train.
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      Yeah but that's not what people are saying here.
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           a silent smile and nod.
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                ^ not about that #creeplife
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                     it's not difficult.
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                          Hey I agree with you. A smile and a nod would be the safest way to do it...
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                               then choose the safest way. the least obtrusive way.
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      RE: the very last part is what is messy about life.
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So I'm the only one who fapped?
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SERIOUS QUESTION: Why were all the men Black and Latino
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^^^ sees it. but mofos all up in here going for/ cosigning the head-fake...
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word
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ask Gradient Lair and Feminista Jones about it:
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what does any of this have to do with my point?
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      there is no secret racial agenda at work here
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           I'm sure it's a class thing
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           okay.
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           there are quite a few white guys
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                I watched again
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                     some of the voices sounded whiter
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           Black women seem to feel a little less conflicted
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                right on.
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                I'm not talking about the street harrassment issue
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                     iHollaback seems to address this on the page w/the video:
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                     I can work with that
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                     In New York it's largely black and Latin and poor
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                          then why does street harassment happen in places w/o black
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                               lets wait for 10 hours in Sydney first then
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                                    Ppl Against Street Harassment - Sydney
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                                    A coworker walked past a bunch of construction workers
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                                         again, a class issue
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A few of the guys were white in that video
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Her body mightve had a lot to do with that. I also think it was staged
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I think alot of them are embarrassed about the fact that it's mostly bla...
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oh please.
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      I see you've changed your tune on this topic.
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           read carefully.
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they were in the middle of harlem, 125th
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So nobody is gonna point how bad she is? The pop woulda triple took
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HMMM . . . yeah this could be staged
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yes, some of them seemed that way to me. Im just not to type to believe
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      you have women in here telling you this has happened
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           Never said it doesn't happen. I said some of the video looks staged.
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Hollaback addresses this on the page w/the video:
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i just watched it again
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really really easily dismissed
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i won't lie...i felt like a dick while watching this
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thanks for not dismissing
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      i think the closest thing i can compare it to...
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These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted
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RE: These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted
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Personally, I'm tired of kids standing outside the post office and bank....
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i'm tired of women standing up for themselves
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you replied in the wrong spot. It's okay. Still time to edit.
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      how are y'all supposed to
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      not sure, I'll ask my wife if she has any suggestions for those going...
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           good idea.
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      oh shit, i see now that your point is that
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When's the last time those kids raped you or a friend?
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      you're trolling. This has nothing to do with rape.
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           it doesn't b/c no Girl Scout has raped you trying to sell cookies.
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           you're trolling, as you normally do when it comes to issues that you are...
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                why do you think this is not about rape?
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                     You can discuss rape if you want to in connection to the overall topic.
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                     b/c you weren't raped by the ppl who've 'harassed' you?
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                          because I'm not challenging the mindset of victims of street harassment.
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                               cool.
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                     i still think the police analogy works here
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                          *sigh*
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                               i can find women who think a lot in the video is meh too
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                                    okay, Ric.
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           why not?
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           First of all..
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                you made a series of false or meaningless equivalencies
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                     like I said, take it how you want.
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           Rhetoric maybe, definitely not trolling though.
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                #529
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                Nice derailing, bro.
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                     ok.
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                You've never been ran up on by a bunch of teens talking about they are
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                     dont you see how the simple hello becomes frustrating & offensive
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                     I understand how it's frustrating and annoying, but not offensive.
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                     just. smile. and. nod. silently.
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                     did that same man say "hello" to the guy walking in front of her?
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                          You'll never persuade anyone arguing that saying "Hello" is dehumanizing...
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                               hi. (c)
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                                    No. there was no sexual connotation. It's odd to think there is.
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Is the anti holla stance taken by women here..
Oct 29th 2014
524
if you're in a club and a gay guy
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Not seeing how this is the same
Oct 29th 2014
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how is it not the same?
Oct 29th 2014
548
      Uh... I dont like men
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           niether do some women
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           maybe some of us don't either
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           lol WHAT DOES CATCALLING HAVE TO DO
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           I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one
Oct 29th 2014
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                you guys are so dense -' precious' doesnt have the ability to HARM YOU
Oct 29th 2014
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                i don't understand why a fucking analogy is needed
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                RE: I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one
Oct 29th 2014
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dumb logic wins again
Oct 29th 2014
559
yes, gay butch girls do try to holler and can be very agressive
Oct 29th 2014
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it has to be a gay guy because you could
Oct 29th 2014
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Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? nm
Oct 29th 2014
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      RE: Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? n...
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maybe.
Oct 29th 2014
560
For the roles to truly be reversed, we'd have to live in a system
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583
Ok. It's a fear for their safety thing, partly
Oct 29th 2014
622
She fine tho, not saying it's ok to cat call but i would've stole a glan...
Oct 29th 2014
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"Wearing jeans and a crewneck t shirt" they left out some parts lol
Oct 29th 2014
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And after reading the YouTube comments....
Oct 29th 2014
561
MORE VIDEOS:
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If I street holler...IT'S BECAUSE ITS THE LAST OPTION!!!
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^^^ THIS IS ALL I'M SAYING
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women are like buses b/w there's other fish in the sea
Oct 29th 2014
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I don't see how I'm wrong for taking a shot
Oct 29th 2014
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you're not wrong, DVS. this isn't about you.
Oct 29th 2014
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      you say it isn't about me...but it is.
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           LMAO POOOR YOU
Oct 29th 2014
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           'cause obviously speak for all of "we", right?
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                **WOOSH**
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                     HELLO.
Oct 29th 2014
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                     basically he wants us to and grin and smile and love it
Oct 29th 2014
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                          i just saw the man of my dreams on the street!
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664
                     I don't stand for it in my circle
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                          *sigh*
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                               thank you
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           it's about them.
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i see what you did there
Oct 29th 2014
602
if women are like fish
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      throw the bait w/a silent smile and nod.
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but you might rape them after you say hello
Oct 29th 2014
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LMAO! ikr? the fucking absurdity of it all.
Oct 29th 2014
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pretty poor impression.
Oct 29th 2014
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      cause, news flash: WE LIVE IN A SCARY FUCKING WORLD!
Oct 29th 2014
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      you don't have to, Somnus.
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      I want you to give an actual example of this, because I don't think you ...
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           fuck your want.
Oct 29th 2014
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           go to a bar or a church or a party or any of the millions of places
Oct 29th 2014
649
what is the worst thing that happens if
Oct 29th 2014
610
So the Street Holla is the new social issue / focused cause.
Oct 29th 2014
582
one thing I gotta know about this whole shit though...
Oct 29th 2014
588
There are so many shameful comments made by men in this post
Oct 29th 2014
589
This shit is a trainwreck.
Oct 29th 2014
591
LOL.. You are crazy...
Oct 29th 2014
598
Man we're covering the gamut in this one.
Oct 29th 2014
604
Can this post be archived, please?
Oct 29th 2014
599
On this issue of a simple "hello" being harrassment.......
Oct 29th 2014
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For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the time
Oct 29th 2014
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Read my reply right aboves... I bet you didn't say hello to a man who
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Dingding!
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620
this is my general rule of thumb
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you obviously don't know me very well
Oct 29th 2014
659
      why?
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RE: For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the t...
Oct 29th 2014
644
You can tell all the reasonable men in the world to back off street holl...
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^^i think this is my stop. GNIGHT!!^^ nm
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I guess we should just give up and take it then
Oct 29th 2014
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But you are looking at 1 symptom of a much larger problem...
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      ^ brand new.
Oct 29th 2014
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#605
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      *looks at your avatar*
Oct 29th 2014
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      HA!
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      So...
Oct 29th 2014
632
The entitlement is off the charts
Oct 29th 2014
630
hey bros, Shoshanna gettin' Rape threats, cause you know
Oct 29th 2014
634
Haven't seen the video but
Oct 29th 2014
635
wooooooooooooooo (c) Rick Flair
Oct 29th 2014
636
First I think Americans complain for no godamn reason
Oct 29th 2014
655
U like that black person that tells their YT friends they can say "nigga...
Oct 29th 2014
657
you should, then..because your response is a bit judge-y
Oct 29th 2014
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NERL
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My man said saying hello is "dehumanizing", "offensive"...
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644. but look at "my man said" -
Oct 29th 2014
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you are too old to be this fucking whiny.
Oct 29th 2014
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im absolutely agog that this is still being discussed like this.
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wow...
Oct 29th 2014
658

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1. "but what about the male perspective????"
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6. "exactly what was she wearing?"
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79. "HOW ELSE I'M 'POSED TO MEET BITCHES???"
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fuck you.

  

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57. "If men didnt holla, society wouldnt exist"
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358. "Nah"
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Women would just step up and holla at the men that they actually want to fuck.

  

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494. "lol. then we'll be an endangered species"
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3. "does "have a nice evening" count as one of the 100+"
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verbal harassments?

some of that shit was appalling. "have a nice evening" seems fairly benign though. i guess i get that after twenty "DAAAAMNS!" "have a nice evening" might just seem like more of the same.

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4. "I blame hip hop too"
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I fucking love your sig

but yeah in the context of this video I wouldnt blame her for cussing out someone that was trying to stop her for directions. Like dude walking with her for 5 minutes? Like how terrifying would that be?

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5. "Unless they're wishing everybody on that street a nice evening..."
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It's insincere at best.

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7. "an insincere salutation doesn't equate to harassment"
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in my opinion.

i tell people to have a nice evening all the time. i don't give a shit how their evening goes. i also don't live in a major metropolitan area, so when i pass people on the street it's weirder if i don't acknowledge them, than if i do, so there's a different standard, and i get that.

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13. "That's why I said "at best"."
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If someone is just walking along the street and not making eye contact with you, there's no good reason to go out of your way to say anything to them really.

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21. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
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26. "that's fair. would you consider any unwanted statement"
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harassment?

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33. "Essentially, yep."
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I'm not saying it should be punishable by law to offer an unsolicited "hi", so if you were referring to some legal definition, my answer would probably be different.

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38. "nah not legally, just as a social more"
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that's a fair definition. i don't think i agree, but i respect the stance.

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47. "i'm assuming backbone is male and unless he's hollered at"
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frequently
he probably wouldnt consider that harrassment
clearly this woman (and most others) get unwanted statements ALL DAY

sorry we aren't picking out the "good" vs the "bad" ones for you
it's all bothersome and unwarranted

it would be nice to consider "have a good evening" a nice thing to say to a stranger

but in this context and most of the time when women on the street get that said to them, the feeling is all the same regardless of the words. it's just another dude thinking he can say whatever to me and i'm supposed to respond

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133. "THIS"
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>regardless of the words. it's just another dude thinking he
>can say whatever to me and i'm supposed to respond


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80. "good afternoon / good evening"
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when we're the only two people on the block walking within two feet of each other is an acknowledgement

on a crowded ass street to some random person walking by? nahhhh


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94. "definitely."
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and it's definitely a disconnect for me.

i've probably spent less than 72 total hours walking streets that busy in my whole life, whereas i say good evening to pretty much everyone i see while i walk my dog.

it's a different environment with different social rules.

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117. "RE: definitely."
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yeah it really is a different world. Out here in the burbs its normal to greet people you pass while walking. Good morning or how you doing? Shit even a smile and nod. I do stay quiet when its a female by herself and I am alone. Just because I know how intimidating I look and I dont want to scare anyone. But I still cant believe that video its crazy.

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128. "i think my tendency is to see the remarks as qualitatively different"
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when in this environment, they're just quantitatively different.

in a suburban/rural environment "have a nice evening" is qualitatively different statement than "damn, ma *looks at ass region*"

in this environment they're just different levels of harassment.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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185. "dude at :39"
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even as a champion of the jorts movement

he like leans in a little and turns as she walks by saying "have a nice evening" bruh, you're going the other way, and she's giving you zero rhythm, where do you see this going?

unless she is actually a prostitute how can you imagine to yourself a positive reaction in this circumstance.

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19. "^^^^^^^^^"
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12. "yeah, I'm with you on that"
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as was mentioned below, after all the "damn"s and "I just seen a thousand dollars walk by" and other shit that was thrown at her, I can see how a simple "hello" is gonna grate on you and make you shout "leave me the fuck alone!"

But yeah, even an insincere "have a nice day" while unwarranted and unsolicited, doesn't strike me as harassment by itself.

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17. "many years ago on okp, i made a post named "have a nice day.""
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i should have saved that shit. i got roasted SO HARD.

and my stance hasnt changed. its annoying and unnecessary.

  

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37. "'have a nice evening' doesn't exist in a vacuum."
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as we saw in that clip.

the build-up of unsolicited/unwanted greetings amounts to harassment.

fuck you.

  

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8. "ugh this is my life"
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its sad to say, but this is why when i run errands in my own neighborhood, i put on a costume....jogging pants, sports bra, sweat shirt, sneakers, scarf and tam on my head. it makes me feel like a sellout sometimes, but i seriously have a hard time dealing with all that shit. i dont see any kind of real solution in sight.

  

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9. "how is that being a sellout?"
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>its sad to say, but this is why when i run errands in my own
>neighborhood, i put on a costume....jogging pants, sports bra,
>sweat shirt, sneakers, scarf and tam on my head. it makes me
>feel like a sellout sometimes, but i seriously have a hard
>time dealing with all that shit. i dont see any kind of real
>solution in sight.

  

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15. "its changing my behavior to avoid shit i shouldnt have to deal"
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with in the first place.

its letting the terrorists win.

  

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10. "yup. that's about right :("
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then there's the occasionally extremely sexually explicit/creepy ones!

but yeah. at least once a day. already filled my quota this morning.

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14. "I'm sorry Teef n/m"
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153. "what if an attractive guy says have a nice day to you?"
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275. "i'm going to chase after him and marry him"
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ive been hollered at by all kinds of men. even cute ones

im just trying to get from point A to point B and im not interested
i have never ever evereverever entertained a street holler to the point im taking or giving my number

as i said below, im plenty social and in a social setting if a dude comes at me in a respectful manner he will likely get pretty far if the attraction is mutual

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423. "It's not about attraction, it's about the setting."
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The street is not a controlled or steady environment to entertain any man approaching you.
A good looking man can be just as much of a harasser as an ugly one.

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11. "Valid & yet, I'm concerned about the presentation."
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16. "here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff..."
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whenever I see reports about "street harassment" it's almost always NYCentric. I'm thinking that this is a uniquely NYC thing. Not that it DOESN'T happen in other cities, but it seems as if with the NYC "street holler" the way and frequency that it happens in this city is different than, say, Detroit, Phoenix, or LA.

in a sense it comes down to NYC'ers believing that they are the center of the universe...
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22. "wrong spot."
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24. "or maybe more people walk/take public trans in NY than most other cities"
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28. "I think it's just volume. more people on any given street"
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but i see it happen all the time in toronto too. Men are often shameless and disgusting and think it's a compliment. It's not. It's scary for women. And the countless comments of "it's just a compliment. these women should appreciate the compliment that their beauty is being acknowledged" is completely asinine and backwards. In a world where studies indicate that 40-60% of woman have experienced sexual harassment, and many of those have been victims of sexual assault, it is not okay to comment on a womans appearance that she does not invite. Even if a guy thinks he's doing something innocent, it may be incredibly scary or creepy to a woman, especially one that is walking by herself.

You saw two different men just walk with her. Can you imagine how terrifying that is? Who does that? In my opinion that goes beyond sexual harassment, and is a form of assault. People confuse assualt for battery, but as some definitions say "assault is often defined as an attempt to injure to someone else, and in some circumstances can include threats or threatening behavior against others"

If you are reading this and are one of the people that stands outside a store, or bar, or club, or bodega, or anywhere and you have ever said "smile" to a woman, you should rethink who you are as a person and change your ways immediately. It's disgusting.

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39. "With the volume issue you mentioned"
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I wonder if the cold anti-social setting in NYC leads guys to not care about making the lewd comments since to an extent, NYC isn't a communal warm environment unless you are on your block or area of residence.

  

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56. "I think this is a huge part of it"
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>I wonder if the cold anti-social setting in NYC leads guys to
>not care about making the lewd comments since to an extent,
>NYC isn't a communal warm environment unless you are on your
>block or area of residence.

It's not the same in smaller cities or towns where people embrace each other in a warmer, friendlier way.

Even as big as it is, Phoenix was like that when I lived there. People spoke to each other all the time.

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29. "RE: here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff..."
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>in a sense it comes down to NYC'ers believing that they are
>the center of the universe...

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Tue Oct-28-14 03:49 PM by Euameio

  

          

getting hollered at in your car while driving is a thing in LA
and its mad scary!!

I can't begin to break down all the times I've been followed because I wouldn't roll my window down to talk to some dude!
or pull over to talk to some dude!

nah, guys will holler anyway they can.
online, offline and/or while driving-

  

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312. "People will go off their route just to be fucking creepy"
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that is how fucked up it is being a woman in society. that someone is like on their way to work or to dinner or whatever and they see a woman and literally go "fuck where im going, i got a new destination. terrorizing this woman so i can tell her she's beautiful"

jesus fuck.

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18. "I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months"
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Summer months.

Whats wrong with people saying Hello?

If they said hello to every passer by its fine and they are a bit batty.

These men only say hello bc she is attractive, they would like to get to know her better so they can fuck. Period. There is no other reason to say hello, smile, damn, honk your horn whistle or kiss at.

If it is just to let her know they like what they see....like the horn honkers. Why not keep their opinion of her physical appearance to themself appreciate it and keep moving....the woman does have a mirror.

I am harrased in this way on a daily basis. It makes me feel unsafe. while walking 4 blocks to the gym in the dark (bc I should be able to) people say hello honk their horns etc. I feel unsafe and so I carry a bat.

Men need to behave like they have a mother sisiter daughter some women folk in their lives. They wouldn't want their mother to be treated this way.

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20. "i think gay men should hit on straight men more"
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that would be awesome.

or not :-/

  

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27. "I don't think most men are physically intimidated by other men"
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So I feel its better to be a beautiful woman and deal with them selves for 3 hot long ass months. Have them running down the street screaming just leave me alone damn!

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65. "Intimidated, maybe not; On guard? Definitely."
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23. "a bat, sis?"
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wow thats hard core.

  

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31. "Its a mini bat day bat lol I leave out at 4:45 5 am for the gym"
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I am not going to wait til later bc men are assholes. Do not talk to me in the dark you will be threatened loudly.

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73. "East Orange NJ used to call that a "nigga beware" bat"
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82. "south jersey version: "nigga be cool" stick. worked on dogs, too."
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eybody had one in the crib, just inside the door.


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88. "Pretty much. The front desk staffer at my gym called it a nigga beater"
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I was taken back a bit smh dude u @ work

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196. "Yeah I got a big ass wrench in my truck for the same purpose"
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With the same name

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does it really matter?

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575. "call mines the "nigga be good stick""
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25. "lol for real? like a full sized louisville slugger?"
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i shouldnt laugh but the visual makes me giggle
meanwhile i definitely need to be buying pepper spray. a woman was raped twice a few blocks away

let me repeat that again
SHE WAS RAPED TWICE

not by the same person. by TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE


raped once, walked away from that rape, raped again about a block away

they caught the first one (17 year old kid), and as far as i know, they haven't caught the second.

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30. "WTF? "
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>let me repeat that again
>SHE WAS RAPED TWICE
>
>not by the same person. by TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE
>
>
>raped once, walked away from that rape, raped again about a
>block away
>

jesus christ! I heard about that young spanish girl getting beat up and robbed around there too

I can't even begin to think what caused back to back assaults like that, what was going through these kids minds, if the incidents were related (had to be)

  

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34. "extremely disturbing. get that spray friend"
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n/m

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40. "mini bat I want a big one. When I have the lil bat out, not one &quot;Hi..."
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Good. I look like a crazy woman walking aroungd with a bat good. Leave me the hell alone and I wont beat the shit outta you with my bat.

stay alert and get the pepper spray or bat or small knife or taser.

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43. "In toronto pepper spray is illegal, BUT bear spray!"
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bear spray in not illegal, and is easy to find and compact and I made sure my gf and her college-aged sister both got one. I know they say that when you carry a weapon you're more likely to have it used against you, but I always tell my gf to just keep her hand on it in her purse or jacket pocket when she is walking home at night. Always be ready to bust that shit the fuck out if someone gets too close or inappropriate. Most pussy men attackers are not expecting a woman to be carrying anything and would likely run away if a woman pulled that out...or a bat haha.

It's a sick world we live in.

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138. "OOH thanks!"
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44. "that is horrible :("
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52. "http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/112255.gif"
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32. "shiiiit that would work if i left the house for those 3 months"
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but i wouldn't.

just enjoy myself for that time.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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45. "Nope you have to leave the house and wear clothing of the season."
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Prime example of men know how they are and not wanting to deal with that shit.

You gonna just stay in the house lol

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48. "why do i wanna leave the house if i already got a beautiful woman"
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here?

it just doesn't even make any sense.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

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54. "for the same reason you're not at home"
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jacking off right now.

fuck you.

  

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60. "well you obviously don't know me as well as you think"
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i still blame hip-hop.

  

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68. "that's true."
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fuck you.

  

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76. "pretty sure he was implying that he'd be masturbating"
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*Jews you*

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42. "RE: I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months"
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>I
>feel unsafe and so I carry a bat.


You ever considered learning a martial art for self-defense purposes? I'm not joking around or trying to make light of your fears with that question.

  

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53. "I've considered it. For now its the bat. I have a tight schedule."
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No one bothers me with a visible weapon.

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122. "Visable weapon? Wow."
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I have questions I want to ask, but I won't. Sucks to be that paranoid, but I get it.

  

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63. "no snark intended but...where do you stash your bat when you arrive "
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at your destination??
Do you get odd looks because of the bat?
Metal or Wood?
Regulation?
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109. "I put it in my gym locker"
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64. "i agree."
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i've had a slight taste of this and i thought i'd go crazy dealing for just a few hrs (in drag the first time) and then for a few months (when i was all muscled up). that 2nd time i wasn't out in public as a woman but as a man and when i was around my gay brothers i got cat-called and grabbed more often than i had ever experienced. i could only imagine how disturbed i would be if that were my existence most of the time and not just in those isolated moments. and i only dealt w/it from a small segment of the population - it would've been so much worse if i were targeted by a majority of the male population as most women are.

fuck you.

  

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116. "I'm glad you know what I mean. Not glad you were objectified"
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it seems most men don't understand what this feels like.

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140. "not a damn clue"
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>it seems most men don't understand what this feels like.


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35. "i think you ladies can all tough this shit out."
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this is like the millionth video of this shit.
yeah it sucks.
so what?
rock your pepper spray and keep it movin.
compared to the generations of women before you, this is like black people not being able to catch a cab.

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50. "AWARENESS"
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do you not see how many people think this is *still* not a big deal? oh right, you literally just that. you are the problem. everyone that downplays this as redundant or "not that bad" "they're just being complimentary" is living under a rock. it's harassment. it's borderline assault. a threat does not have to be explicit to be implied. this woman *should* feel threatened.

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169. "that's bullshit."
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in Iran, they throwin acid on women.
Boko Haram is still kidnapping girls.
and yall in here bitchin about somebody saying some shit to you on the street (which has been happening forever) like now its "assault"
I'm not saying its ok
and if a woman feels threatened by it she should take precautions to defend herself against it
but all this everything that makes a woman uncomfortable is assault, rape culture shit, compared to women who are REALLY being assaulted on the street?
nah.
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225. "this is some reductio ad absurdum bullshit"
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you are literally reducing a serious issue to an absurdist example that I can't possibly combat. Of course your example is atrocious and extreme and disgusting, but you are using your Iranian example to downplay the seriousness of street harassment on women.

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247. "my issue is with the word assault."
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that's it.
these dudes are miserable creeps. yes.
they are not criminals.
men who are actually committing random acts of violence against women that cause irrevocable damage?
murder, rape, acid attacks, kidnapping
different.
I don't like the false equivalency of catcalls and assault.
that's all.

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256. "okay, pumpkin."
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won't nobody call them 'assault' just to spare your feewings.

what word do you want us to use?

fuck you.

  

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272. "RE: okay, pumpkin."
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yup. basically.

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291. "haha, i'm pumpkin. yall fighting the cause against dudes saying mami."
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298. "just to make you feel better we'll call the assaults 'tiddlies'."
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b/c saying 'assault' gives you the sads.

and b/c you don't understand the actual definition of assault and so you think the conduct being described here isn't assault when it really is. but that's okay. we'll say 'tiddlies' for you.

btw - look at the first definition of assault as found in a legal dictionary i've cited for you below, pumpkin:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault

Assault
Definition

>>1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result.<< So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

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309. "i posted a loose definition of assault above"
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they dont wanna listen though. while im sure many street-hollerers are good people and well intentioned, putting oneself in someone else's shoes (especially one of the opposite sex) is clearly impossible to some of these people. they cannot get through their heads that women often feel petrified and threatened by their cute, harmless comments.

but its okay, they might be their wifey, so all bets are off.

this post is unreal to me.

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313. "most of the woman-haters in here are also class clowns"
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who post as if they're throwing spitballs from the back of the classroom. so there's that.

but yes, there is an out right refusal to understand this issue from the women's perspective.

and also i think now or never hit on a real point - guilt. i think some of us men in this discussion feel as though we're being made to feel guilty about conduct we see as a positive. we bristle against that. plus we're a bit ashamed too. and once that shame and guilt hit some of us get defensive. and if we're also immature - here come the spitballs.

fuck you.

  

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84. "You're ignoring"
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the potential threat of physical violence that's unknown in some of these situations.

  

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36. "Why is most of that video her walking down 125th in Harlem"
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I would be interested in seeing what happened if she walked in other neighborhoods.

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46. "it doesnt matter. it happens everywhere"
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ive seen people of all race colour and creed be inappropriate with their words to women on the streets. that's where she was. and volume has something to do with it. there's a lot of people around where she was. obviously the quota will be higher.

but ultimately, what does it matter what streets she's walking?

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58. "I'm not denying it happens in other places"
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I would just be interested in seeing how the interactions were in other parts of NYC. If she spent 10 hours walking, why was most of this edited video of her walk in Harlem? Is that because most of the harassment took place in Harlem (relatively speaking)? There are other parts of the city just as populated (if not more) than 125th. Did she get the same amount of harassment in Soho for instance? That's all I'm asking. I have no agenda.

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62. "fair enough. "
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i don't know the backstory or the area she was in. the video just proves her point.

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70. "word, they knew the reaction they would walking on 25th"
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72. "not to be extreme but that's basically saying"
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"she had it coming"

"well, she knew the streets she was walking. she knew she would warrant the attention on *those* streets"

that is a problem.

what if she was wearing "club clothes"? then its "well, she knew what she was wearing on *those* streets"

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487. "no, it's saying they purposely went to the "hood"/ black part of manhatt..."
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41. "That's why I don't even speak to women in the streets"
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75. "if it weren't for OKP, this issue would barely be on my radar"
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i wouldn't presume to street holler and don't know anyone who does that. still, i'm sympathetic toward women who say and show that they have to deal with this harassment, and reading these posts and seeing these videos (although some are ridiculous like that one with the woman in a body suit walking through art galleries and museums) has helped the issue become a bit less abstract for me. i guess even people who have manners and show respect in some situations think they can or should behave this way toward women they don't know who are minding their own business in public, which is another of many sad signs of the times.

  

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49. "I mean..how else are you suppose to ask someone out?"
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if you see a pretty girl youre interested in
whats wrong with greeting her
it doesnt have to be disrespectful

i get its nyc and ppl just dont stop in the street and talk
cuz they're sooooo busy with their big city lives and all

but where im from ppl do this everyday
niggas start families off of street hollers


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55. "there are proper channels. the street is not one of them"
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it is absolutely a double standard. if a woman approached a man or solicits attention to a man on the street, fine. but it does not work the other way.

take a class. lots of people socializing in class.
go to a bar or club where talking politely or asking to dance is not as threatening.
use tinder.
use a dating site.
join an intramural co-ed sporting league.

there's lots of ways to meet people, uncreepily. talking to a woman walking on the street is no longer a safe place to do that in this world. too many disgusting people have made the streets scary for women.

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61. "yea but that could be my wife walking out of quik trip"
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you miss all the shots you dont take

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66. "but your wife might feel threatened. you wanna threaten your wife?"
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67. "making an impassioned plea on craigslist missed connections"
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is the classy thing to do

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74. "lol how nutless is that"
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i can deal with rejection in public arenas

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77. "not as nutless as making a woman feel afraid to just"
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walk down the streets for fear that one of the seemingly innocent hollas is actually coming from a true predator that will then walk beside her for 5 minutes creepily, all the while making her fear that she will be imminently attacked and raped, but too afraid to reach for her pepper spray because any move might make the man unleash.

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83. "i understand the fear completely...but i know plenty of women"
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who dont live in fear and are able to
discern between an asshole and somebody who is genuine
i get it tho
it sucks for them

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91. "there. you know plenty of women that fit your mold. "
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now you have those people to ask out that you were wondering about. the one that might be your wife.

let the girls you don't know be on their way free of fear of threat and violence.

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71. "imagine there are dozens of other guys shooting a ball "
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at the same hoop.

imagine how that hoop feels.

get out of your feelings as a man wanting a woman and get into her experience. try a little empathy.

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78. "i was raised by a single mother...ive heard all kinds of shit"
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by random niggas on the street
so i understand it
thats why if i do take that approach
its always going to be respectful and polite

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85. "but *your* polite intentions do not always translate"
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don't you think even dangerous predators would be smart enough to use polite tender tones to see if they can get what they want through polite channels first?

if everyone is polite, it might just be fake for some of them.

That is the fear women have to face. that even a cute guy being polite *MIGHT* be a fucking psycho whose about to push her into a back alley if she doesnt respond politely.

"Is it cause i'm ugly? if i give you my phone number would you call me?" that guy from the video THINKS he's being polite, but he's obviously a fucking creeper. put yourself in HER shoes. Any comment made to her is suspect and potentially scary.

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87. "now take the next step."
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and consider what that woman has been through and how many men have approached her respectfully and politely in just one day/week/month. and ask yourself if it's worth potentially ruining her moment/hour/afternoon/day/week/et al just b/c you feel like you gotta take a shot at her.

think about her and the very real possibility that she won't view your respectful holla in a vacuum but that due to what she's got going on your respectful holla is likely to be viewed by her as yet ANOTHER unwanted holla that she has to deal with. yet ANOTHER UNWANTED holla from another STRANGE man on the street who wants a piece of her attention.

think about her for a minute longer or a few seconds longer and stop making it about you and your mother. make it about her. and think about whether you want to add to that woman's struggle by being YET ANOTHER STRANGE MAN approaching her b/c he feels entitled to her time just b/c he's 'polite' and 'respectful'.

think about the stories she's heard or experiences she's had where a guy who approached all polite and respectful turned into a monster for some reason unknown to her. think about that when you wanna approach as YET ANOTHER STRANGE POLITE MAN who has intentions unknown to her. imagine the panic that may set off in her - even if brief. and multiply that panic by dozens-fold and imagine feeling that shit multiple times per day more days than not.

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97. "i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention"
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but as a man
if i see someone im interested in
i might approach her...its that simple
the species depends on it lol
i totally get what they go through
but me going through the mental hula hoops of trying
to figure out if talking to her will potentially ruin her day
seems kinda of...i dunno..weak is the word im thinking of

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105. "the species doesn't depend on QuikTrip hollas."
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the decision to holla at a strange woman has shit to do w/propagation of the species and everything to do w/selfish men feeling entitled to women's attention. period.

>i totally get what they go through

you say that but i don't think you actually get what they go through. or if you do get it but act w/o reflecting on it then your getting it is meaningless. and it doesn't make you an ally.

>but me going through the mental hula hoops of trying
>to figure out if talking to her will potentially ruin her day
>seems kinda of...i dunno..weak is the word im thinking of

then after you decline to holla at that bitch b/c you might ruin her day, go to the gym and max out on the bench press. or go home and do some man chores around your house. or vigorously scratch your balls.

basically get the hell over yourself. your manhood is not in jeopardy if you decline to holla at a strange woman b/c you understand the impact it could have on her. if anything your manhood is enhanced if you incorporate empathy for women in it.

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164. "i ain't shit. sorry."
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http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatorce7e7ba39bad2d6866f964b2da17298195501926.jpg

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190. "LOL"
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fuck you.

  

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148. "RE: i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention"
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yes
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156. "lol thats awesome how u do that"
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tell ppl what they are and what they do
without knowing shit about them
thats a gift

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165. "lol you typed it though"
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you said you're not even going to bother thinking you might make her feel uncomfortable or ruin her day

because YOU want to talk to her


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172. "lets be clear here. i only street holler if the girl is a complete godde..."
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im not that guy that shoots at everything

so just because im not cognizant of whatever she went through
before i talk to her doesnt make me a bad person
if anything
when u hollering at a girl on the street u puttin yourself
out there for her to judge YOU and ultimately make a decision
if she wants to continue the convo
i have no power in that situation

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176. "and you give her no option to engage with you"
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you just roll up to her

its good to know that you back down when it's clear she's not interested and all that but you also have made it very clear that you really DGAF that she might find the encounter threatening

she doesnt know you. you may be a really sweet guy, you may be her future husband, but basically you are imposing on her. most women don't take it too an extreme extent. like i said i get hollered at every day i dont go nuts about it but i absolutely fucking hate it. unequivocally.

on top of all that, even considering that she might find it threatening you think is weak and you want to go ahead and do it anyway

it's troubling you don't find it to be a big deal. i bet all of those dudes think the same thing--that theyre nice and cool and this isn't a big deal and it's just a compliment and blah blah blah but it is not cool.


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188. "so how would you prefer a man to approach you?"
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if i see you and im interested
what can i do in that situation
if ive never met you before in my life

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269. "#180"
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if you try and holler on the street you'll fail
if you catch me in a social setting, you may succeed

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429. "You make it sound like seeing women is rare."
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Like "FUCK, IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE WOMAN... GOTTA HOLLER!"

If it's the wrong time and wrong place, you can be pretty confident another will be along when the time and place is more appropriate. There are literally BILLIONS of women out there.... letting one walk past you on the street won't lead to a lifetime of celibacy.

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464. "Ionno fam.. that sounds a little weird."
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KIM because there are a billion women in the world.. pick another one to speak to because this one is on the street.





  

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518. "Do you ask random people who look successful for jobs in the street?"
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No, you wait until you're in a job interview. It'd be weird, wouldn't it?

There are thousands of social situations where hollering is not just acceptable, but encouraged. It's surprisingly easy to keep your tongue from dragging along the floor until you're in one.

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612. "#actually.. yes, I have talked to what appeared to be successful..."
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people on the street.

Who the hell waits until a job interview to ask for a job? This ain't 1985.





  

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519. "ok some of yall are just fucking crazy"
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lol the fact you think im some desperate thirsty ass nigga
that has no self control just shows
how ridiculous this whole thing is
i see its an issue
but yall are doin like 10 much right now
like really

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527. "Where's the grey area here?"
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I'm not trying to imply you're overly thirsty personally... just that the practise isn't acceptable enough to continue, even if you only do it once a year.

BUT if it's generally accepted by most women you speak to that random street hollers are, however unintentionally, a 'threatening' experience... where's the 'grey' situation where you think it would be ok? When is it ok to risk putting someone in fear for their safety so that you can chance your arm at chatting them up?

Is that for you to decide? Isn't it "better to be safe than sorry"?

Is there a reliable visual cue from the target that lets you know she's safely hollerable or is it a lottery as to whether you'll scare or flatter her?

Why not just.... stop doing it and holler in situations where everyone's comfortable and prepared?

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152. "The way you portray it, a woman should never be approached"
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A woman is at a bar just enjoying a drink. Should she be subjected to another strange, unwanted holla? Who knows how many times she's been approached that night by a strange man.

Plug in any location or event (school, bookstore, grocery store, park, party, etc.) and your qualm fits. Why is the street any different?

There is always the chance that a man's attempt to woo a woman will be unwanted. And an attractive woman, by nature, is going to have more men interested in her. So should men take this into account an stop (respectfully) hollering at women they are attracted to in order to avoid causing 'panic'?

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158. "we're not having this conversation."
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fuck you.

  

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286. "oh please oh pleaaaase"
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i'm sure
i'm absolutely POSITIVE pimpgangsterblahblah will have something redeemable to say after that post


i promise!
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378. "lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question. "
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Is there any time/place where it's appropriate for a man to approach a woman in public?

My interpretation of his post led me to think his answer to that question is no. From the dismissal, I'm still not sure.

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404. "No? Your surrrre...you promise?"
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Because the work you're doing below
Oh my yes
I can see clearly how earnest you are at seeking answers that have never before been address on these here boards nor anywhere online nor offline

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447. "See #435 & 436"
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fuck you.

  

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452. "RE: lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question. "
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>Is there any time/place where it's appropriate for a man to
>approach a woman in public? No

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221. "I wait for a woman to speak to me and then go from there"
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Yeah I've probably missed out on some dates but I don't want to come across like the dudes in the video posted up top

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51. "Let me be honest and say it makes me furious"
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if I'm two paces behind my chick in a crowded area and I gotta hear some dumb old motherfucker "MISS! HAVE A BLESSED DAY!" ONE MORE TIME

I'm gonna fuckin snap

Like people are saying above, it's worse in NYC than other cities, but in no way is it isolated to NYC. And it's worse in certain areas of NYC, but definitely not limited to where this video is shot.

ANY PUBLIC AREA you gotta walk through a woman is susceptible to this shit

  

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59. "yup! i walk around t.o. with my gf"
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she walks ahead to look at something and almost immediately someone is saying something to her. maybe she's outta my league so people don't see me as a possibility for her bf, or whatever, maybe they just do not give a shit.

it's infuriating to see people of the same sex just bringing down that sex so far into the gutter.

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"Or maybe you're hella slammable & nobody worried abt you"


  

          

Or whether or not you do or don't like something


does it really matter?

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102. "duh. i was joking about my validity."
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the point was, a woman walks alone and immediately gets creepy ass stares and comments, completely unsolicited and unwarranted.

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107. "You do too, asshat. You just ignore it."
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Go in public, and mad people are going to be looking and talking abt you. That's life.


does it really matter?

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110. "that doesn't make it okay. "
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I love people watching. It's one of my favourite things to do. I'm amused at what people do in public. But I don't GAWK. I don't make comments. I dont solicit. I mind my own business.

Just cause it's normal, doesn't make it okay. You are a man. You don't have to get it. I am a man too. I don't want my daughter, my so, my sister in law, my mother, or any other woman to feel threatened cause someone just HAD to say HI or MMM or A THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST WALKED BY.

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111. "*Ignores it*"
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gets bottle thrown at head

You were sayin?
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113. "That's why we have guns. nm"
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does it really matter?

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115. ". . . "
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http://mhmarketingsalesmanagement.com/blogs/tonykovach/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/painted-into-a-corner-credit-canaconcepts-.gif

fuck you.

  

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69. "shit's wild..."
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as much as i want to make this about men...this is still mostly about the direction of pursuit

ok, maybe not mostly...but i think it's the key ingredient in the street harassment gumbo

Holding men more accountable won't help bc in certain urban areas...knowing how to engage strange women is a skill and sometimes even a useful one...

not to say it's worth continuously harassing women over...but even without street harassment...women will be inconvenienced by how men pursue them...

I'd like to think DC is better than NYC but it's really not by much

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

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98. "99% of that isnt genuine pursuit"
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101. "99% of most pursuit isn't"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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150. "nah....maybe 85% isnt."
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street hollers are especially for shits and giggles.

  

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151. "that doesn't make it better"
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dudes need
yes NEED to stfu
~~~~
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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81. "What does Hollaback do with $$? How do they stop it? *googles now*"
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445. "i was wondering the same thing"
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http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
twitter: @BrosefMalone

  

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86. "I blame matriarchy."
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If yall hadn't taught us to never give up and to be hunters in the male/female relationship and to shrug rejection off...we wouldn't be here.

Nope. Y'all's fault.

  

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89. "most of my feelings have already been conveyed"
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- NY is the biggest city, aggression of all types is the culture of the city (not that this is acceptable)

- they definitely added sensationalism by going to 125th street, and who really walks for 10 hours in a day to make a point?

- 600 minutes walking in a city of 8 million people taught "you eat what you kill", yes you're going to be spoken to every 6 minutes on average. especially if you go to "the hood" where everyone is already on edge

- street harassment is bad, but dont intentionally place yourself in the midst of savages to hype up the idea




  

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132. "RE:savages fam?"
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137. "yes, Im from 4 blocks south of 125th Street"
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I know the area pretty well. the nature of many Harlemites is savage

  

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90. "Shoshanna is her name"
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attention whoring is her game

https://m.facebook.com/yoshi25

  

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92. "^HOW CREEPY IS THIS?!!? "
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296. "Very. Melmag's always been rapey."
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___________________
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330. "yeah he's one of the true low life's here"
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And he's also pretty dumb

prototype

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believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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93. "i really hate when you guys link the mobile version of websites"
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95. "this is NOT unique to NYC."
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i've lived in Memphis, DC, Chi, and now CT.

this shit happens very often.

i learned as teen to not drive with my windows down in the summer. why? cause dudes think it's a signal to holla. so, i have to drive with my windows rolled up even though i love driving with the windows down in warmer months.

i've been followed by a man in my car as i was driving.

i've had a man in a bookstore push up on me and get rejected. as i working at a desk in this bookstore, he proceed to follow me and stare at me. this was in a bookstore on the weekend during daylight hours that was FULL of people. he gave no fucks. i ended up leaving and going home.

street harassment is NOT NYC or even East Coast centric. it's not even "street" centric cause it happens every where. the bookstore. the grocery store. the parking lot. driving in your car with the windows/top down. in the mall.

  

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96. "Move to the fucking suburbs or stfu..."
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large cities with dense populations will always have street holla's, junkies, drug dealers, rats, etc...

I'm sorry but I can't feel sympathy for people who pay $400 a sq ft and live on top of each other who demand silence once they hit the pavement.

  

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103. "I don't understand why you can't give me the head nod"
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All motherfuckers want is an acknowledgement if their presence

We are here, you see us, nod. Smile. Look. Something.

No as a woman you don't owe anyone shit.

Yes I get women live in abject fear of being beaten and gang raped every second they are on the street

But if you don't want people to say shit to you, throw some headphones on

So you can't hear em anyway

I'm confused as to what I as a man am supposed to do to stop this

Run up on cats that said good evening and be like no! Stop being nice to this chick she just trying to go to Popeyes in peace


does it really matter?

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134. "NEWS TO BIN: EVEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T WORK"
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>But if you don't want people to say shit to you, throw some
>headphones on
>
>So you can't hear em anyway
>

If I had a dollar for every time a dude approached me while I had on my headphones, Oprah and Warren Buffet combined wouldn't have shit on me.
They will tap you, motion to you, stare you to death etc.
When certain types of men want a woman's attention they will go to most any lengths to get it with no fucks given at all.

here for dis.

  

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299. "Fuck you, Bin."
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Sometimes your stupid shtick is just offensive.

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349. "I'm offended that you think I shoukd GAF that you offended"
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So we're even, hoe.

And tell your mama I want my eggs over easy, not scrambled.


does it really matter?

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424. "Yeah, it's obvious that you don't care. I wouldn't be so proud of it, th..."
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And I'm not talking about our interactions, just in case it's not clear.

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99. "Message: NYC dudes have been...and are still gameless. Got it."
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Streets won't let me chill.

  

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104. "thats another thing too...dude just walked next to her for 5 mins"
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without speaking
thats just weirdo shit

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108. "can yall not understand it ain't just happening in NYC or the east coast..."
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100. "damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies"
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i thought I had everyone down.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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106. "posts like this bring out the true misogynists."
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they think liking to fuck women is the same as liking and viewing women as human beings. it's not.

  

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112. "maybe yall should be more specific"
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cuz i really dont see anyone saying anything
unreasonable or misoginstic
im actually starting to think that term only lives online
cuz i never see it in real world applications

misogyny?

do you know any men that truly hate women?
or do you just throw that term around
because of street hollers

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114. "some of you are dense as hell"
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November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

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119. "lol we all got usernames on here...who are you talking about"
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i skimmed over this whole post
and i dont see anyone being unreasonable
or just contrarian for the hell of it

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162. "misygony isnt about just hating women"
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its about not valuing women as human beings who deserve respect.

its misogynistic to think its ok to for a man to invade a womans personal space just because he wants to fuck her.

  

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118. "yes. 'misogyny' is an OKP invention."
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absolutely.

fuck you.

  

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127. "online isnt just okp"
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i just see that word thrown around so much
online but never ever hear come from anyone i know
it seems to be a catch-all term
because i just dont believe men hollering at women
is men hating women or whatever misogynists do

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142. "misogyny is an extreme term"
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"I have the right to speak to this woman, fuck whether she's uncomfortable" is an extreme concept that lends itself towards being utterly dismissive of a woman's right to be left alone

both sides are being extreme though. on one hand there's "women could be murdered by a guy saying hello", on the other there's "how else am I going to get to know someone?"

the middle ground is accepting a woman's cues when she's disinterested and walking it off politely

  

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145. "okay, dude."
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fuck you.

  

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124. "there is a way to approach a woman while being respectful and "
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conveying sincere interest. however, 90% of the time that's not what is going on.

throwing out "hey girl *insert some language about her body or sex*" or "hey beautiful" or whatever else along these lines ain't it.

it's misogyny when you have men and women talking about "why you gotta walk don 125th street? you KNOW that's how they do" as though she should alter HER behavior so she won't be harassed. or "get out of NYC" or anything else that conveys a woman inexplicably wants this behavior directed towards her based on where she lives, walks, works, dresses, etc. all of this implies that both parties are equally culpable for this. this is not true. the problem lies with the harasser, not the person being degraded, inconvenienced, and feeling scared for their safety.

and yes, i know men who truly hate women.


  

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136. "Perfect."
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I mean it's crazy what some men think or brush off as okay. It's never okay to make a person feel afraid or uncomfortable or scared just cause "i had to holla. its survival of the fittest out here. she could be my wife! how can i not take my shot!?"

THIS ISN"T ABOUT YOUR EGO. If she's SOOOOOO gorgeous you just had to take your shot...then so did the 40 other guys she walked by earlier today. You're not special. This is ALL about a womans right to not feel afraid and threatened.

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282. "the fact that you have to explain this to people"
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123. "by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy."
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Does that make me a misogynist? If so, I'll be that.

Having sex with a woman is way...and I do mean waaaaaay better than just abt any other activity one could engage in with a woman.

Other than spending her money. That might trump it.

But barely.


does it really matter?

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125. "RE: by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy."
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>Does that make me a misogynist? If so, I'll be that.
>
>Having sex with a woman is way...and I do mean waaaaaay better
>than just abt any other activity one could engage in with a
>woman.
>
>Other than spending her money. That might trump it.
>
>But barely.

  

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MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
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Tue Oct-28-14 02:27 PM

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135. "this nigga, lmao"
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Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

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astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
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Tue Oct-28-14 02:30 PM

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139. "bro, you doin' hella much in this post."
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like a whole lot, and it's the reason folks can't take some of the good shit you say seriously in other posts

  

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Binlahab
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Tue Oct-28-14 02:35 PM

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147. "name anything, any event with a woman...now compare it with sex"
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And ask people which they'd rather do

Go to the moon v. Sex

Balance the national budget v. Sex

Roller coaster v. Sex

I mean...y'all can be mad all day long but shit is what it is

  

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astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
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Tue Oct-28-14 03:18 PM

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195. "RE: "
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>And ask people which they'd rather do
>
>Go to the moon v. Sex
>
I'm going to the moon, you goddamn weirdo

>Balance the national budget v. Sex
>
i'm balancing the budget holmes, then having all the "that spanish enwurd solved an american crisis" pussy for months, maybe years

>Roller coaster v. Sex
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sex. i hate roller coasters

>I mean...y'all can be mad all day long but shit is what it is
>
no, it's not what it is. it's a social construct, but you a capitalism yay guy, so this line of reasoning makes sense

  

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