Printer-friendly copy Email this topic to a friend
Lobby General Discussion General Discussion Archives topic #195253

Subject: "10 hours of walking NYC as a woman" This topic is locked.
Previous topic | Next topic
RobOne4
Member since Jun 06th 2003
56697 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"10 hours of walking NYC as a woman"


  

          

damn NY

http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top


Topic Outline
Subject Author Message Date ID
but what about the male perspective????
Oct 28th 2014
1
exactly what was she wearing?
Oct 28th 2014
6
HOW ELSE I'M 'POSED TO MEET BITCHES???
Oct 28th 2014
79
      LOL
Oct 28th 2014
182
If men didnt holla, society wouldnt exist
Oct 28th 2014
57
      oh ye of little imagination
Oct 28th 2014
183
      Nah
Oct 28th 2014
358
           lol. then we'll be an endangered species
Oct 29th 2014
494
this is good stuff.
Oct 28th 2014
2
yep
Oct 28th 2014
131
does "have a nice evening" count as one of the 100+
Oct 28th 2014
3
I blame hip hop too
Oct 28th 2014
4
Unless they're wishing everybody on that street a nice evening...
Oct 28th 2014
5
an insincere salutation doesn't equate to harassment
Oct 28th 2014
7
That's why I said "at best".
Oct 28th 2014
13
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oct 28th 2014
21
that's fair. would you consider any unwanted statement
Oct 28th 2014
26
      Essentially, yep.
Oct 28th 2014
33
      nah not legally, just as a social more
Oct 28th 2014
38
      i'm assuming backbone is male and unless he's hollered at
Oct 28th 2014
47
           THIS
Oct 28th 2014
133
good afternoon / good evening
Oct 28th 2014
80
      definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
94
           RE: definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
117
                i think my tendency is to see the remarks as qualitatively different
Oct 28th 2014
128
                     dude at :39
Oct 28th 2014
185
^^^^^^^^^
Oct 28th 2014
19
yeah, I'm with you on that
Oct 28th 2014
12
many years ago on okp, i made a post named "have a nice day."
Oct 28th 2014
17
'have a nice evening' doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Oct 28th 2014
37
ugh this is my life
Oct 28th 2014
8
how is that being a sellout?
Oct 28th 2014
9
      its changing my behavior to avoid shit i shouldnt have to deal
Oct 28th 2014
15
yup. that's about right :(
Oct 28th 2014
10
I'm sorry Teef n/m
Oct 28th 2014
14
what if an attractive guy says have a nice day to you?
Oct 28th 2014
153
      i'm going to chase after him and marry him
Oct 28th 2014
275
      It's not about attraction, it's about the setting.
Oct 29th 2014
423
Valid & yet, I'm concerned about the presentation.
Oct 28th 2014
11
here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff...
Oct 28th 2014
16
wrong spot.
Oct 28th 2014
22
or maybe more people walk/take public trans in NY than most other cities
Oct 28th 2014
24
I think it's just volume. more people on any given street
Oct 28th 2014
28
With the volume issue you mentioned
Oct 28th 2014
39
      I think this is a huge part of it
Oct 28th 2014
56
RE: here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff...
Oct 28th 2014
29
LA native, NYC transplant here-
Oct 28th 2014
      People will go off their route just to be fucking creepy
Oct 28th 2014
312
I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
18
i think gay men should hit on straight men more
Oct 28th 2014
20
I don't think most men are physically intimidated by other men
Oct 28th 2014
27
      Intimidated, maybe not; On guard? Definitely.
Oct 28th 2014
65
a bat, sis?
Oct 28th 2014
23
Its a mini bat day bat lol I leave out at 4:45 5 am for the gym
Oct 28th 2014
31
      East Orange NJ used to call that a "nigga beware" bat
Oct 28th 2014
73
           south jersey version: "nigga be cool" stick. worked on dogs, too.
Oct 28th 2014
82
           Pretty much. The front desk staffer at my gym called it a nigga beater
Oct 28th 2014
88
           Yeah I got a big ass wrench in my truck for the same purpose
Oct 28th 2014
196
           call mines the "nigga be good stick"
Oct 29th 2014
575
lol for real? like a full sized louisville slugger?
Oct 28th 2014
25
WTF?
Oct 28th 2014
30
extremely disturbing. get that spray friend
Oct 28th 2014
34
mini bat I want a big one. When I have the lil bat out, not one "Hi...
Oct 28th 2014
40
In toronto pepper spray is illegal, BUT bear spray!
Oct 28th 2014
43
OOH thanks!
Oct 28th 2014
138
that is horrible :(
Oct 28th 2014
44
http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/112255.gif
Oct 28th 2014
52
shiiiit that would work if i left the house for those 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
32
Nope you have to leave the house and wear clothing of the season.
Oct 28th 2014
45
      why do i wanna leave the house if i already got a beautiful woman
Oct 28th 2014
48
      for the same reason you're not at home
Oct 28th 2014
54
           well you obviously don't know me as well as you think
Oct 28th 2014
60
                that's true.
Oct 28th 2014
68
      pretty sure he was implying that he'd be masturbating
Oct 28th 2014
76
RE: I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months
Oct 28th 2014
42
I've considered it. For now its the bat. I have a tight schedule.
Oct 28th 2014
53
      Visable weapon? Wow.
Oct 28th 2014
122
no snark intended but...where do you stash your bat when you arrive
Oct 28th 2014
63
I put it in my gym locker
Oct 28th 2014
109
i agree.
Oct 28th 2014
64
      I'm glad you know what I mean. Not glad you were objectified
Oct 28th 2014
116
           not a damn clue
Oct 28th 2014
140
i think you ladies can all tough this shit out.
Oct 28th 2014
35
AWARENESS
Oct 28th 2014
50
that's bullshit.
Oct 28th 2014
169
      this is some reductio ad absurdum bullshit
Oct 28th 2014
225
           my issue is with the word assault.
Oct 28th 2014
247
                okay, pumpkin.
Oct 28th 2014
256
                     RE: okay, pumpkin.
Oct 28th 2014
272
                     haha, i'm pumpkin. yall fighting the cause against dudes saying mami.
Oct 28th 2014
291
                          just to make you feel better we'll call the assaults 'tiddlies'.
Oct 28th 2014
298
                               i posted a loose definition of assault above
Oct 28th 2014
309
                                    most of the woman-haters in here are also class clowns
Oct 28th 2014
313
You're ignoring
Oct 28th 2014
84
Why is most of that video her walking down 125th in Harlem
Oct 28th 2014
36
it doesnt matter. it happens everywhere
Oct 28th 2014
46
I'm not denying it happens in other places
Oct 28th 2014
58
      fair enough.
Oct 28th 2014
62
word, they knew the reaction they would walking on 25th
Oct 28th 2014
70
      not to be extreme but that's basically saying
Oct 28th 2014
72
           no, it's saying they purposely went to the "hood"/ black part of manhatt...
Oct 29th 2014
487
That's why I don't even speak to women in the streets
Oct 28th 2014
41
if it weren't for OKP, this issue would barely be on my radar
Oct 28th 2014
75
I mean..how else are you suppose to ask someone out?
Oct 28th 2014
49
there are proper channels. the street is not one of them
Oct 28th 2014
55
yea but that could be my wife walking out of quik trip
Oct 28th 2014
61
      but your wife might feel threatened. you wanna threaten your wife?
Oct 28th 2014
66
      making an impassioned plea on craigslist missed connections
Oct 28th 2014
67
      lol how nutless is that
Oct 28th 2014
74
           not as nutless as making a woman feel afraid to just
Oct 28th 2014
77
                i understand the fear completely...but i know plenty of women
Oct 28th 2014
83
                     there. you know plenty of women that fit your mold.
Oct 28th 2014
91
      imagine there are dozens of other guys shooting a ball
Oct 28th 2014
71
           i was raised by a single mother...ive heard all kinds of shit
Oct 28th 2014
78
                but *your* polite intentions do not always translate
Oct 28th 2014
85
                now take the next step.
Oct 28th 2014
87
                     i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention
Oct 28th 2014
97
                     the species doesn't depend on QuikTrip hollas.
Oct 28th 2014
105
                     i ain't shit. sorry.
Oct 28th 2014
164
                          LOL
Oct 28th 2014
190
                     RE: i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention
Oct 28th 2014
148
                          lol thats awesome how u do that
Oct 28th 2014
156
                               lol you typed it though
Oct 28th 2014
165
                                    lets be clear here. i only street holler if the girl is a complete godde...
Oct 28th 2014
172
                                         and you give her no option to engage with you
Oct 28th 2014
176
                                              so how would you prefer a man to approach you?
Oct 28th 2014
188
                                                   #180
Oct 28th 2014
269
                                                   You make it sound like seeing women is rare.
Oct 29th 2014
429
                                                        Ionno fam.. that sounds a little weird.
Oct 29th 2014
464
                                                        Do you ask random people who look successful for jobs in the street?
Oct 29th 2014
518
                                                             #actually.. yes, I have talked to what appeared to be successful...
Oct 29th 2014
612
                                                        ok some of yall are just fucking crazy
Oct 29th 2014
519
                                                             Where's the grey area here?
Oct 29th 2014
527
                     The way you portray it, a woman should never be approached
Oct 28th 2014
152
                          we're not having this conversation.
Oct 28th 2014
158
                               oh please oh pleaaaase
Oct 28th 2014
286
                                    lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question.
Oct 28th 2014
378
                                         No? Your surrrre...you promise?
Oct 28th 2014
404
                                         See #435 & 436
Oct 29th 2014
447
                                         RE: lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question.
Oct 29th 2014
452
I wait for a woman to speak to me and then go from there
Oct 28th 2014
221
Let me be honest and say it makes me furious
Oct 28th 2014
51
yup! i walk around t.o. with my gf
Oct 28th 2014
59
      Or maybe you're hella slammable & nobody worried abt you
Oct 28th 2014
           duh. i was joking about my validity.
Oct 28th 2014
102
                You do too, asshat. You just ignore it.
Oct 28th 2014
107
                     that doesn't make it okay.
Oct 28th 2014
110
                     *Ignores it*
Oct 28th 2014
111
                          That's why we have guns. nm
Oct 28th 2014
113
                               . . .
Oct 28th 2014
115
shit's wild...
Oct 28th 2014
69
99% of that isnt genuine pursuit
Oct 28th 2014
98
      99% of most pursuit isn't
Oct 28th 2014
101
           nah....maybe 85% isnt.
Oct 28th 2014
150
           that doesn't make it better
Oct 28th 2014
151
What does Hollaback do with $$? How do they stop it? *googles now*
Oct 28th 2014
81
i was wondering the same thing
Oct 29th 2014
445
I blame matriarchy.
Oct 28th 2014
86
most of my feelings have already been conveyed
Oct 28th 2014
89
RE:savages fam?
Oct 28th 2014
132
      yes, Im from 4 blocks south of 125th Street
Oct 28th 2014
137
Shoshanna is her name
Oct 28th 2014
90
^HOW CREEPY IS THIS?!!?
Oct 28th 2014
92
Very. Melmag's always been rapey.
Oct 28th 2014
296
      yeah he's one of the true low life's here
Oct 28th 2014
330
i really hate when you guys link the mobile version of websites
Oct 28th 2014
93
this is NOT unique to NYC.
Oct 28th 2014
95
Move to the fucking suburbs or stfu...
Oct 28th 2014
96
I don't understand why you can't give me the head nod
Oct 28th 2014
103
      NEWS TO BIN: EVEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T WORK
Oct 28th 2014
134
      Fuck you, Bin.
Oct 28th 2014
299
           I'm offended that you think I shoukd GAF that you offended
Oct 28th 2014
349
                Yeah, it's obvious that you don't care. I wouldn't be so proud of it, th...
Oct 29th 2014
424
Message: NYC dudes have been...and are still gameless. Got it.
Oct 28th 2014
99
thats another thing too...dude just walked next to her for 5 mins
Oct 28th 2014
104
can yall not understand it ain't just happening in NYC or the east coast...
Oct 28th 2014
108
damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies
Oct 28th 2014
100
posts like this bring out the true misogynists.
Oct 28th 2014
106
maybe yall should be more specific
Oct 28th 2014
112
some of you are dense as hell
Oct 28th 2014
114
lol we all got usernames on here...who are you talking about
Oct 28th 2014
119
      misygony isnt about just hating women
Oct 28th 2014
162
yes. 'misogyny' is an OKP invention.
Oct 28th 2014
118
online isnt just okp
Oct 28th 2014
127
      misogyny is an extreme term
Oct 28th 2014
142
      okay, dude.
Oct 28th 2014
145
there is a way to approach a woman while being respectful and
Oct 28th 2014
124
      Perfect.
Oct 28th 2014
136
      the fact that you have to explain this to people
Oct 28th 2014
282
by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy.
Oct 28th 2014
123
      RE: by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy.
Oct 28th 2014
125
      this nigga, lmao
Oct 28th 2014
135
      bro, you doin' hella much in this post.
Oct 28th 2014
139
      name anything, any event with a woman...now compare it with sex
Oct 28th 2014
147
           RE:
Oct 28th 2014
195
                Well hell, this explains everything you a communist.
Oct 28th 2014
203
                     RE: lol. at least i know you ain't a scumbag like these other
Oct 28th 2014
241
      I know you joking but....
Oct 29th 2014
434
RE: damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies
Oct 28th 2014
154
ole boy walking alongside her for 4+ min was creepy as fuck
Oct 28th 2014
120
What's the solution?
Oct 28th 2014
121
violence.
Oct 28th 2014
126
it really is perspective. that woman. your mom. your sister.
Oct 28th 2014
129
      mom/sister...eh.
Oct 28th 2014
146
           some ppl are more empathetic to women they know
Oct 28th 2014
157
           yeah. sure.
Oct 28th 2014
160
           there was some of that in this very post :(
Oct 28th 2014
159
                i know, right?
Oct 28th 2014
161
                yep. i mentioned my mama
Oct 28th 2014
179
                     So cuz yo mama
Oct 29th 2014
546
                          wow smh lmao
Oct 29th 2014
552
by teaching men and boys that women are not porno images come to life.
Oct 28th 2014
130
honestly what are yalls social circles like that its that bad?
Oct 28th 2014
okay. i've done what i've could. i can't help you understand this.
Oct 28th 2014
144
This isn't fish in a barrel. It's not okay to find the
Oct 28th 2014
149
      I bet 99% of street hollas don't end with rape or an attack
Oct 28th 2014
155
           YOU SOUND REAL RAPEY RIGHT NOW
Oct 28th 2014
201
                pointing out a stat isn't minimizing the act
Oct 28th 2014
273
                     using a "stat" you pulled out of your ass as justification IS tho
Oct 28th 2014
280
If you think you're being polite, ask yourself WHY you're being polite
Oct 28th 2014
143
      rape and assault isn't about wanting to "has the sex" though
Oct 28th 2014
173
           rape, sexual assault, and street harrassment all have roots of
Oct 28th 2014
175
                read what i replied to
Oct 28th 2014
181
                     my point was that the end game of politeness
Oct 28th 2014
209
                          i dont see the problem with that
Oct 28th 2014
219
                          There's nothing wrong with pursuing sex.
Oct 28th 2014
232
                               but is that fear reasonable?
Oct 28th 2014
248
                                    it is based on the anecotes
Oct 28th 2014
271
                                    it's like when cops follow me in the rearview
Oct 28th 2014
278
                                         i think this is it
Oct 28th 2014
381
                                    read my replies very carefully.
Oct 29th 2014
567
                          ^^^^^^^^
Oct 28th 2014
266
they should do the same set up, with a
Oct 28th 2014
171
here's the thing: you can't separate "misogyny" from "rom...
Oct 28th 2014
220
i think indie material like this is community-based education
Oct 28th 2014
394
One reason I don't do street hollas. Not trying to be annoying nigga #10...
Oct 28th 2014
141
TELL ME TO HAVE A NICE DAY ON THE STREET AND IT'LL BE YOU LAST DAY ALIVE
Oct 28th 2014
163
I almost SHOCKED no one has yet to ask the question wether or not...
Oct 28th 2014
166
who hurt you?
Oct 28th 2014
167
      i aint hurt at all hun, just plain ol' TIRED of the bullshit. let's --
Oct 28th 2014
187
           How very sad.
Oct 28th 2014
206
                YES absolutely! I totally agree and I'm sure the older generation does--
Oct 28th 2014
211
i always take issue with objectification = misogyny
Oct 28th 2014
168
For every 2 single okplayery antisocial broad there are @10k saying the
Oct 28th 2014
170
the type of man to street hollar is generally one of those two
Oct 28th 2014
178
i go to clubs and bars
Oct 28th 2014
180
It's annoying...I get it...but I guarantee....u know what. .nvmd
Oct 28th 2014
189
all that eh
Oct 28th 2014
184
I associate with chix who go thru phones, drive ES250s, and take ig pics
Oct 28th 2014
197
      lol
Oct 28th 2014
202
      valid
Oct 28th 2014
218
      god bless you lol
Oct 28th 2014
262
      I feel like this should explain a lot lol
Oct 28th 2014
281
      Not the ES250...
Oct 28th 2014
302
its's us who are antisocial when you got grown men up in here asking
Oct 28th 2014
200
the replies in here from MRAs make ya wanna log off
Oct 28th 2014
174
Reminds me of this vid from a few years ago
Oct 28th 2014
177
That one nigga that followed her for 5 minutes straight
Oct 28th 2014
186
but he was RESPECTFUL! and she MIGHT BE HIS WIFE!!
Oct 28th 2014
192
IF she ain't wanna be hollard at she shouldn't worn such tight pants
Oct 28th 2014
234
      HOW WILL HE KNOW if he don't holla at her??
Oct 28th 2014
237
           LOFL. this was a great exchange
Oct 28th 2014
259
that nigga was legit scary lol
Oct 28th 2014
199
this morning, 6am still dark outside...dude in a CAR followed me
Oct 28th 2014
210
      RE: Nope your fault, for being attractive and outside when
Oct 28th 2014
268
           change that to being a woman and outside when dark
Oct 28th 2014
320
meanwhile women in Iran gettin acid tossed on em.
Oct 28th 2014
191
and women in Ohio are getting set on fire.
Oct 28th 2014
194
and women in Detroit are getting their necks slashed
Oct 28th 2014
198
women in DC are getting dragged into bushes.
Oct 28th 2014
205
Australian woman strangled by man she tried to help.
Oct 28th 2014
207
thank you for more examples of women actually being assaulted.
Oct 28th 2014
212
      no problem. and the point is that women don't know
Oct 28th 2014
217
      we agree. i'm just saying they are two different things.
Oct 28th 2014
239
           that is 'assault'.
Oct 28th 2014
260
                ok. so all these men should be charged with assault.
Oct 28th 2014
293
                     don't feel bad. ain't nobody calling you a criminal.
Oct 28th 2014
300
      Yes because having "DAMN!" yelled at you 20x is not assault
Oct 28th 2014
236
a young girl in CT was murdered this spring b/she rejected a boy.
Oct 28th 2014
208
RE: my lord, wow.
Oct 28th 2014
213
Meanwhile women in Detroit get shot to death
Oct 28th 2014
284
ur not very intelligent
Oct 29th 2014
525
how many of the men in here defending this are single?
Oct 28th 2014
193
i'm not
Oct 28th 2014
204
yeah i dont think youre in the lane i was thinking comparatively
Oct 28th 2014
215
the better question is
Oct 28th 2014
214
Literally got mine by hollering on a street corner
Oct 28th 2014
223
be real. you found her online. didnt you
Oct 28th 2014
226
50/50
Oct 28th 2014
230
cool story bro
Oct 28th 2014
257
Nope! Street corner!
Oct 28th 2014
267
if that's the story that helps you keep your point going *shrug*
Oct 28th 2014
270
and you would be correct, he's trying to fit the story to
Oct 28th 2014
288
      like i said.
Oct 28th 2014
373
you lying like a motherfucka
Oct 28th 2014
283
      bitch you wasn't even there
Oct 28th 2014
285
           oh you are probably telling the truth, i just like when your blood press...
Oct 28th 2014
353
i was in one for a while...
Oct 28th 2014
224
met my wife on tap street holla
Oct 28th 2014
277
im single as hell. but im not defending dudes in the video tho
Oct 28th 2014
216
no one in here, I repeat NO ONE, is defending harassment but that's not....
Oct 28th 2014
227
      Yes...yes you are
Oct 28th 2014
350
      ponder this, brainiac...
Oct 29th 2014
451
           who hurt you
Oct 29th 2014
453
           "pressed"? really? FUCK OFF...how's that, better?
Oct 29th 2014
456
                lol
Oct 29th 2014
459
           so you combat this by...
Oct 29th 2014
482
      what you deem worthy does not make it any less harassing
Oct 28th 2014
352
           #451
Oct 29th 2014
458
what's up with
Oct 28th 2014
222
RE: what's up with
Oct 28th 2014
228
the 2nd part of that is mad subjective
Oct 28th 2014
229
To quote Whitney Houston: how will I know...?
Oct 28th 2014
231
so many "I" statements in your reply.
Oct 28th 2014
233
let's think abt the alternative shall we?
Oct 28th 2014
235
      and now the "I"'s have been replaced with "me"s
Oct 28th 2014
238
      So men should not consider themselves at all in the scenario.
Oct 28th 2014
243
           men should not just consider themselves.
Oct 28th 2014
246
                So then shouldn't women also consider the other person as well?
Oct 28th 2014
258
                     *finger guns*
Oct 28th 2014
261
      now do it from her perspective:
Oct 28th 2014
244
      STOP MAKING SENSE! dey dont/ wont hear ya.
Oct 28th 2014
251
i get hollared at on a semi regular basis. im 7ft. it happens
Oct 28th 2014
240
nigga if you were a foot shorter, you would be polo.
Oct 28th 2014
245
nah its in me man. if i was a foot shorter id be still gettin em
Oct 28th 2014
250
^ hating ass niggas be like
Oct 28th 2014
334
when was the last time you thought one of those women would hurt you?
Oct 28th 2014
252
      just once and that was a transwoman
Oct 28th 2014
264
      great.
Oct 28th 2014
276
      big broad in Downtown Detroit circa 1994
Oct 28th 2014
314
           i believe that actually happened. that sounds like a real event.
Oct 28th 2014
317
they holla even goofier and cruddier than ya'll think
Oct 28th 2014
255
in some places, that's known as "socializing"
Oct 28th 2014
242
      im thinking this is it...cuz if you dont speak down here
Oct 28th 2014
253
      it's a difference between speaking to everyone, and speaking to only
Oct 28th 2014
265
      It was called that in Michigan too.
Oct 28th 2014
306
its totally f*cked up and it will never ever ever stop
Oct 28th 2014
249
this is kinda where im at
Oct 28th 2014
254
i don't think women understand how men are so affected by 'beauty'
Oct 28th 2014
263
Total cosign.
Oct 28th 2014
279
that dude walking side by side talking about God bless you
Oct 28th 2014
274
I kind of wonder how alienated women that don't get this feels
Oct 28th 2014
287
Plain Janes get the same treatment.
Oct 28th 2014
289
      tumblr activists say otherwise.
Oct 28th 2014
290
      *sigh*
Oct 28th 2014
292
           really nigga???
Oct 28th 2014
297
                good luck w/this, player.
Oct 28th 2014
301
                     why the cop-out tho? huuuh. me thinks he's introduced an interesting
Oct 28th 2014
304
                          b/c this is not my first day on the Internet.
Oct 28th 2014
307
                               fair enough, but I've seen you go hard in the paint on likewise 'bait'--
Oct 28th 2014
310
                                    oh, not at all.
Oct 28th 2014
311
                                         riiiiiight (c) Raekwon...I bid you adieu, sir.
Oct 28th 2014
315
                                              exactly.
Oct 28th 2014
319
      nah. it makes a difference. but thats not the point!!! lol
Oct 28th 2014
316
           you say that and other women say otherwise.
Oct 28th 2014
318
                hey. im just speaking from my personal experience.
Oct 28th 2014
329
                     i believe that's true.
Oct 28th 2014
336
Mostly black guys too
Oct 28th 2014
294
im here reading this post *stunned*
Oct 28th 2014
303
it's not a black issue.
Oct 28th 2014
308
      i dont agree.
Oct 28th 2014
323
      i'm sure you don't. thankfully there are ppl who see the issue.
Oct 28th 2014
324
           lol FOH dude
Oct 28th 2014
333
                there is an international effort to address street harassment.
Oct 28th 2014
338
                     it is an international problem (duh--because men are men)
Oct 28th 2014
345
                          why do you think so?
Oct 28th 2014
346
                               these are generalizations...
Oct 28th 2014
359
                               okay.
Oct 28th 2014
385
                               you ever been outside of the US for an extended period of time?
Oct 29th 2014
441
                               tails. Niggers have tails.
Oct 29th 2014
440
      I still think that black men are the most aggressive with their pursuit
Oct 28th 2014
326
      how long did it take you to form that thought?
Oct 28th 2014
327
      What's the point of this?
Oct 28th 2014
328
      now that i think about it, i don't care.
Oct 28th 2014
335
           off topic
Oct 28th 2014
339
           the inbox is closed. OKP fuckery happens in inboxes.
Oct 28th 2014
342
                no pressure.
Oct 28th 2014
343
           k. Good luck with that chip on your shoulder.
Oct 28th 2014
340
           thanks.
Oct 28th 2014
341
           Dude, you're mansplaining right now, lol.
Oct 29th 2014
433
                ikr?
Oct 29th 2014
439
      lmao
Oct 28th 2014
331
      i am curious about how it would be for her in a whiter area
Oct 28th 2014
348
      That's why the ad is hollow b/c the primary victims/targets of sh by Bl...
Oct 29th 2014
454
      Travel
Oct 29th 2014
665
      No it's not. It's disproportionately black (majority?)
Oct 29th 2014
432
      I agree
Oct 29th 2014
500
I wanna be dismissive of the issue but it would be too Bill O'Reily-ish...
Oct 28th 2014
295
its weird. on the one hand i find it extremely flattering
Oct 28th 2014
305
There's a lot if thirsty, creepy dudes
Oct 28th 2014
321
Shout out to Gradiant Lair for this
Oct 28th 2014
322
*chokes on water*
Oct 28th 2014
325
Welp
Oct 28th 2014
351
*right clicks saves*
Oct 28th 2014
380
nearly all of these boxes are covered in this post.
Oct 29th 2014
486
As a man who doesn't street holler or live in NY, WTF dyw us to do?
Oct 28th 2014
332
in all honesty, what do you know about their education
Oct 28th 2014
337
the first thing you can do is get out of your feelings.
Oct 28th 2014
354
*insert sowhat bland response here*
Oct 29th 2014
590
youre a man, why wld you see it?
Oct 29th 2014
449
      I believe you, but can you give some specific area's where it's pronounc...
Oct 29th 2014
592
good gracious just watched, that's horrible. I'm treating all the women ...
Oct 28th 2014
344
lol @ a fruit tray
Oct 29th 2014
615
Ladies when you get older and the street hollers decrease
Oct 28th 2014
347
are men really this oblivious? like i'm not even mad anymore
Oct 28th 2014
355
they really really really think its complimentary
Oct 28th 2014
360
      I don't like when it happens to these teen girls I know
Oct 28th 2014
368
      They also think we should grateful to receive it
Oct 28th 2014
379
           Sorry for asking a question
Oct 28th 2014
382
                i mean...from our perspective its insulting
Oct 28th 2014
387
                Nah you aren't
Oct 29th 2014
409
YES!
Oct 28th 2014
363
I can address this as well
Oct 29th 2014
455
my answer as a 43 year old: hell yes. i love that it doesn't happen as m...
Oct 29th 2014
625
NATIONAL STUDY on street harassment. OUTSIDE NYC.
Oct 28th 2014
356
whoa whoa whoa. let's not pretend
Oct 28th 2014
357
let me highlight for them
Oct 28th 2014
364
      Yeah, im reading it now
Oct 28th 2014
370
thank you for this swipe.
Oct 28th 2014
362
fantastic link
Oct 28th 2014
365
******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****
Oct 28th 2014
361
RE: ******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****
Oct 28th 2014
393
This has been happening to me since I was 11
Oct 28th 2014
366
When I was teaching I saw dudes holla at my students...who were in 7th g...
Oct 28th 2014
371
I didnt even mention this LBVS
Oct 29th 2014
428
Ughh exactly...
Oct 29th 2014
480
^ even hijab doesn't stop it.
Oct 29th 2014
450
      why would it. it obviously is worn by Muslim women on purpose
Oct 29th 2014
624
I see....
Oct 28th 2014
367
No, we are not. Not at all. Too much work required
Oct 29th 2014
442
i applaud sowhat. solidarity like a motherfucker.
Oct 28th 2014
369
Nah, it's a lowkey plot to eradicate 'breeders'. You niggas is blind.
Oct 28th 2014
372
      YES!!!! lol
Oct 28th 2014
384
      Now that you mention it. I've been having a lot of gay sex lately.
Oct 29th 2014
425
      LOFL
Oct 29th 2014
627
      he is awfully pressed though
Oct 29th 2014
444
Empathy lost.
Oct 28th 2014
374
empathy requires you to imagine that other ppl aren't you.
Oct 28th 2014
375
!!!!! where you been?!
Oct 28th 2014
377
MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN
Oct 28th 2014
376
How are you is street harassment?! Wait, WAT????
Oct 28th 2014
383
The redline some are drawing makes them seem downright asocial
Oct 28th 2014
386
have to love how
Oct 28th 2014
388
      Why do you have to go to such a crass extreme?
Oct 28th 2014
390
           hilarious
Oct 28th 2014
396
                Maybe you didn't read my post...
Oct 28th 2014
399
                     Yeah you're a clown
Oct 28th 2014
402
                          Nah I'm good. I'm going to keep talking to strangers
Oct 28th 2014
405
                               Youre not though
Oct 29th 2014
407
                                    lol
Oct 29th 2014
408
                                    See? You're not okay.
Oct 29th 2014
410
                                    yeaaaa u on that psycho shit
Oct 29th 2014
569
                                         Not sure why people are suprised
Oct 29th 2014
645
you are trying to fuck
Oct 28th 2014
389
      Again, so extreme. Is it hard to believe men aren't all sex craved lunat...
Oct 28th 2014
391
      ^^^ Yeah this. Some women need to admit to their own fears/paranoia
Oct 28th 2014
392
      Police officers just want to protect and serve
Oct 28th 2014
397
      So then why did you specify "a pretty girl"
Oct 29th 2014
587
      I resent that statement
Oct 29th 2014
413
           if you are saying hello to each and every person you see
Oct 29th 2014
416
                Saying hi to people is common everywhere.
Oct 29th 2014
418
                     So you won't say hi specifically to men for a day
Oct 29th 2014
437
                          I'm sorry that you deal with savages
Oct 29th 2014
520
                               no you're not
Oct 29th 2014
536
                                    How would you know?
Oct 29th 2014
570
                                         she doesn't, its called projecting....
Oct 29th 2014
597
rabbits and ducks and large game get a break from being hunted.
Oct 28th 2014
395
Must you be extreme?
Oct 28th 2014
398
lol
Oct 28th 2014
400
don't block your blessings, lfresh.
Oct 28th 2014
401
      Heaven forfend and bless you
Oct 28th 2014
403
      lmao.
Oct 29th 2014
406
the men too poor, uneducated, and unsocializable
Oct 29th 2014
430
how about just don't do it to avoid making somebody's day worse?
Oct 29th 2014
411
10hrs of walking vs.YEARS of just plain living-
Oct 29th 2014
412
main question is: would all of the men who don't
Oct 29th 2014
414
Anything minus touching, stalking or blatant thirst is cool.
Oct 29th 2014
415
smile or you should smile is not cool for everyone
Oct 29th 2014
419
yup, or you just aren't interested.
Oct 29th 2014
421
are you saying it's cool for dudes to
Oct 29th 2014
422
      I would not take offense with anyone approaching me like that.
Oct 29th 2014
528
           every guy that says hello may not be a monster
Oct 29th 2014
593
I have been catcalled by women before...it was a weird feeling.
Oct 29th 2014
417
      I feel like if dudes went out on 125th
Oct 29th 2014
420
           Don't forget the context of sexual assault stats either.
Oct 29th 2014
426
           Did I try to say it was the same thing though?
Oct 29th 2014
530
           definitely but people keep saying
Oct 29th 2014
553
           This is a false equivalency
Oct 29th 2014
427
                RE: This is a false equivalency
Oct 29th 2014
505
Seems like there are three catergories of the street holler.
Oct 29th 2014
431
How To Talk To Women (Link):
Oct 29th 2014
435
How to Tell if Behavior is Sexual Harassment:
Oct 29th 2014
436
Nothing in either post I didn't know (all common sense), and both were n...
Oct 29th 2014
457
      good for you, Buddy G.
Oct 29th 2014
479
           You are slickly evading my questions and deflecting. It's cool.
Oct 29th 2014
                what should you do about hollas that some women like?
Oct 29th 2014
488
the very last part is what is messy about life.
Oct 29th 2014
438
      I see the man of my dreams daily on the train.
Oct 29th 2014
443
      Yeah but that's not what people are saying here.
Oct 29th 2014
460
           a silent smile and nod.
Oct 29th 2014
463
                ^ not about that #creeplife
Oct 29th 2014
466
                     it's not difficult.
Oct 29th 2014
470
                          Hey I agree with you. A smile and a nod would be the safest way to do it...
Oct 29th 2014
638
                               then choose the safest way. the least obtrusive way.
Oct 29th 2014
651
      RE: the very last part is what is messy about life.
Oct 29th 2014
446
So I'm the only one who fapped?
Oct 29th 2014
448
SERIOUS QUESTION: Why were all the men Black and Latino
Oct 29th 2014
461
^^^ sees it. but mofos all up in here going for/ cosigning the head-fake...
Oct 29th 2014
462
word
Oct 29th 2014
492
ask Gradient Lair and Feminista Jones about it:
Oct 29th 2014
465
what does any of this have to do with my point?
Oct 29th 2014
469
      there is no secret racial agenda at work here
Oct 29th 2014
475
           I'm sure it's a class thing
Oct 29th 2014
477
           okay.
Oct 29th 2014
481
           there are quite a few white guys
Oct 29th 2014
483
                I watched again
Oct 29th 2014
489
                     some of the voices sounded whiter
Oct 29th 2014
493
           Black women seem to feel a little less conflicted
Oct 29th 2014
484
                right on.
Oct 29th 2014
485
                I'm not talking about the street harrassment issue
Oct 29th 2014
491
                     iHollaback seems to address this on the page w/the video:
Oct 29th 2014
495
                     I can work with that
Oct 29th 2014
498
                     In New York it's largely black and Latin and poor
Oct 29th 2014
499
                          then why does street harassment happen in places w/o black
Oct 29th 2014
503
                               lets wait for 10 hours in Sydney first then
Oct 29th 2014
544
                                    Ppl Against Street Harassment - Sydney
Oct 29th 2014
554
                                    A coworker walked past a bunch of construction workers
Oct 29th 2014
557
                                         again, a class issue
Oct 29th 2014
573
A few of the guys were white in that video
Oct 29th 2014
468
Her body mightve had a lot to do with that. I also think it was staged
Oct 29th 2014
472
I think alot of them are embarrassed about the fact that it's mostly bla...
Oct 29th 2014
478
oh please.
Oct 29th 2014
517
      I see you've changed your tune on this topic.
Oct 29th 2014
538
           read carefully.
Oct 29th 2014
609
they were in the middle of harlem, 125th
Oct 29th 2014
496
So nobody is gonna point how bad she is? The pop woulda triple took
Oct 29th 2014
467
HMMM . . . yeah this could be staged
Oct 29th 2014
471
yes, some of them seemed that way to me. Im just not to type to believe
Oct 29th 2014
473
      you have women in here telling you this has happened
Oct 29th 2014
497
           Never said it doesn't happen. I said some of the video looks staged.
Oct 29th 2014
522
Hollaback addresses this on the page w/the video:
Oct 29th 2014
501
i just watched it again
Oct 29th 2014
474
really really easily dismissed
Oct 29th 2014
510
i won't lie...i felt like a dick while watching this
Oct 29th 2014
476
thanks for not dismissing
Oct 29th 2014
490
      i think the closest thing i can compare it to...
Oct 29th 2014
608
These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted
Oct 29th 2014
502
RE: These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted
Oct 29th 2014
506
Personally, I'm tired of kids standing outside the post office and bank....
Oct 29th 2014
504
i'm tired of women standing up for themselves
Oct 29th 2014
507
you replied in the wrong spot. It's okay. Still time to edit.
Oct 29th 2014
508
      how are y'all supposed to
Oct 29th 2014
509
      not sure, I'll ask my wife if she has any suggestions for those going...
Oct 29th 2014
511
           good idea.
Oct 29th 2014
515
      oh shit, i see now that your point is that
Oct 29th 2014
513
When's the last time those kids raped you or a friend?
Oct 29th 2014
512
      you're trolling. This has nothing to do with rape.
Oct 29th 2014
514
           it doesn't b/c no Girl Scout has raped you trying to sell cookies.
Oct 29th 2014
516
           you're trolling, as you normally do when it comes to issues that you are...
Oct 29th 2014
521
                why do you think this is not about rape?
Oct 29th 2014
526
                     You can discuss rape if you want to in connection to the overall topic.
Oct 29th 2014
532
                     b/c you weren't raped by the ppl who've 'harassed' you?
Oct 29th 2014
535
                          because I'm not challenging the mindset of victims of street harassment.
Oct 29th 2014
539
                               cool.
Oct 29th 2014
555
                     i still think the police analogy works here
Oct 29th 2014
551
                          *sigh*
Oct 29th 2014
571
                               i can find women who think a lot in the video is meh too
Oct 29th 2014
577
                                    okay, Ric.
Oct 29th 2014
578
           why not?
Oct 29th 2014
523
           First of all..
Oct 29th 2014
529
                you made a series of false or meaningless equivalencies
Oct 29th 2014
537
                     like I said, take it how you want.
Oct 29th 2014
540
           Rhetoric maybe, definitely not trolling though.
Oct 29th 2014
533
                #529
Oct 29th 2014
534
                Nice derailing, bro.
Oct 29th 2014
541
                     ok.
Oct 29th 2014
542
                You've never been ran up on by a bunch of teens talking about they are
Oct 29th 2014
549
                     dont you see how the simple hello becomes frustrating & offensive
Oct 29th 2014
562
                     I understand how it's frustrating and annoying, but not offensive.
Oct 29th 2014
637
                     just. smile. and. nod. silently.
Oct 29th 2014
566
                     did that same man say "hello" to the guy walking in front of her?
Oct 29th 2014
584
                          You'll never persuade anyone arguing that saying "Hello" is dehumanizing...
Oct 29th 2014
631
                               hi. (c)
Oct 29th 2014
633
                                    No. there was no sexual connotation. It's odd to think there is.
Oct 29th 2014
641
Is the anti holla stance taken by women here..
Oct 29th 2014
524
if you're in a club and a gay guy
Oct 29th 2014
543
Not seeing how this is the same
Oct 29th 2014
545
how is it not the same?
Oct 29th 2014
548
      Uh... I dont like men
Oct 29th 2014
550
           niether do some women
Oct 29th 2014
556
           maybe some of us don't either
Oct 29th 2014
558
           lol WHAT DOES CATCALLING HAVE TO DO
Oct 29th 2014
563
           I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one
Oct 29th 2014
565
                you guys are so dense -' precious' doesnt have the ability to HARM YOU
Oct 29th 2014
568
                i don't understand why a fucking analogy is needed
Oct 29th 2014
572
                RE: I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one
Oct 29th 2014
580
dumb logic wins again
Oct 29th 2014
559
yes, gay butch girls do try to holler and can be very agressive
Oct 29th 2014
564
it has to be a gay guy because you could
Oct 29th 2014
574
Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? nm
Oct 29th 2014
600
      RE: Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? n...
Oct 29th 2014
617
maybe.
Oct 29th 2014
560
For the roles to truly be reversed, we'd have to live in a system
Oct 29th 2014
583
Ok. It's a fear for their safety thing, partly
Oct 29th 2014
622
She fine tho, not saying it's ok to cat call but i would've stole a glan...
Oct 29th 2014
531
"Wearing jeans and a crewneck t shirt" they left out some parts lol
Oct 29th 2014
547
And after reading the YouTube comments....
Oct 29th 2014
561
MORE VIDEOS:
Oct 29th 2014
576
If I street holler...IT'S BECAUSE ITS THE LAST OPTION!!!
Oct 29th 2014
579
^^^ THIS IS ALL I'M SAYING
Oct 29th 2014
581
women are like buses b/w there's other fish in the sea
Oct 29th 2014
585
I don't see how I'm wrong for taking a shot
Oct 29th 2014
596
you're not wrong, DVS. this isn't about you.
Oct 29th 2014
601
      you say it isn't about me...but it is.
Oct 29th 2014
607
           LMAO POOOR YOU
Oct 29th 2014
628
           'cause obviously speak for all of "we", right?
Oct 29th 2014
648
                **WOOSH**
Oct 29th 2014
654
                     HELLO.
Oct 29th 2014
656
                     basically he wants us to and grin and smile and love it
Oct 29th 2014
661
                          i just saw the man of my dreams on the street!
Oct 29th 2014
664
                     I don't stand for it in my circle
Oct 29th 2014
663
                          *sigh*
Oct 29th 2014
668
                               thank you
Oct 29th 2014
669
           it's about them.
Oct 29th 2014
642
i see what you did there
Oct 29th 2014
602
if women are like fish
Oct 29th 2014
611
      throw the bait w/a silent smile and nod.
Oct 29th 2014
643
but you might rape them after you say hello
Oct 29th 2014
586
LMAO! ikr? the fucking absurdity of it all.
Oct 29th 2014
594
pretty poor impression.
Oct 29th 2014
595
      cause, news flash: WE LIVE IN A SCARY FUCKING WORLD!
Oct 29th 2014
603
      you don't have to, Somnus.
Oct 29th 2014
646
      I want you to give an actual example of this, because I don't think you ...
Oct 29th 2014
606
           fuck your want.
Oct 29th 2014
647
           go to a bar or a church or a party or any of the millions of places
Oct 29th 2014
649
what is the worst thing that happens if
Oct 29th 2014
610
So the Street Holla is the new social issue / focused cause.
Oct 29th 2014
582
one thing I gotta know about this whole shit though...
Oct 29th 2014
588
There are so many shameful comments made by men in this post
Oct 29th 2014
589
This shit is a trainwreck.
Oct 29th 2014
591
LOL.. You are crazy...
Oct 29th 2014
598
Man we're covering the gamut in this one.
Oct 29th 2014
604
Can this post be archived, please?
Oct 29th 2014
599
On this issue of a simple "hello" being harrassment.......
Oct 29th 2014
605
For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the time
Oct 29th 2014
613
Read my reply right aboves... I bet you didn't say hello to a man who
Oct 29th 2014
618
Dingding!
Oct 29th 2014
620
this is my general rule of thumb
Oct 29th 2014
640
you obviously don't know me very well
Oct 29th 2014
659
      why?
Oct 29th 2014
662
RE: For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the t...
Oct 29th 2014
644
You can tell all the reasonable men in the world to back off street holl...
Oct 29th 2014
614
^^i think this is my stop. GNIGHT!!^^ nm
Oct 29th 2014
616
I guess we should just give up and take it then
Oct 29th 2014
619
But you are looking at 1 symptom of a much larger problem...
Oct 29th 2014
623
      ^ brand new.
Oct 29th 2014
660
#605
Oct 29th 2014
621
      *looks at your avatar*
Oct 29th 2014
626
      HA!
Oct 29th 2014
629
      So...
Oct 29th 2014
632
The entitlement is off the charts
Oct 29th 2014
630
hey bros, Shoshanna gettin' Rape threats, cause you know
Oct 29th 2014
634
Haven't seen the video but
Oct 29th 2014
635
wooooooooooooooo (c) Rick Flair
Oct 29th 2014
636
First I think Americans complain for no godamn reason
Oct 29th 2014
655
U like that black person that tells their YT friends they can say "nigga...
Oct 29th 2014
657
you should, then..because your response is a bit judge-y
Oct 29th 2014
666
NERL
Oct 29th 2014
667
My man said saying hello is "dehumanizing", "offensive"...
Oct 29th 2014
639
644. but look at "my man said" -
Oct 29th 2014
650
you are too old to be this fucking whiny.
Oct 29th 2014
652
im absolutely agog that this is still being discussed like this.
Oct 29th 2014
653
wow...
Oct 29th 2014
658

SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:17 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
1. "but what about the male perspective????"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
T Reynolds
Member since Apr 16th 2007
42759 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
6. "exactly what was she wearing?"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:36 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
79. "HOW ELSE I'M 'POSED TO MEET BITCHES???"
In response to Reply # 6


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
fwmj
Charter member
33136 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
182. "LOL"
In response to Reply # 79


  

          


----------------------------------------
www.rappersiknow.com
www.twitter.com/fwmj

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
melmag
Charter member
18469 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
57. "If men didnt holla, society wouldnt exist"
In response to Reply # 1


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
fwmj
Charter member
33136 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
183. "oh ye of little imagination"
In response to Reply # 57


  

          


----------------------------------------
www.rappersiknow.com
www.twitter.com/fwmj

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
358. "Nah"
In response to Reply # 57


  

          

Women would just step up and holla at the men that they actually want to fuck.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
melmag
Charter member
18469 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:51 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
494. "lol. then we'll be an endangered species"
In response to Reply # 358
Wed Oct-29-14 09:51 AM by melmag

  

          


>Women would just step up and holla at the men that they
>actually want to fuck.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
2. "this is good stuff."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
131. "yep"
In response to Reply # 2


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
3. "does "have a nice evening" count as one of the 100+"
In response to Reply # 0


          

verbal harassments?

some of that shit was appalling. "have a nice evening" seems fairly benign though. i guess i get that after twenty "DAAAAMNS!" "have a nice evening" might just seem like more of the same.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
RobOne4
Member since Jun 06th 2003
56697 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
4. "I blame hip hop too"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

I fucking love your sig

but yeah in the context of this video I wouldnt blame her for cussing out someone that was trying to stop her for directions. Like dude walking with her for 5 minutes? Like how terrifying would that be?

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
5. "Unless they're wishing everybody on that street a nice evening..."
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

It's insincere at best.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:32 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
7. "an insincere salutation doesn't equate to harassment"
In response to Reply # 5


          

in my opinion.

i tell people to have a nice evening all the time. i don't give a shit how their evening goes. i also don't live in a major metropolitan area, so when i pass people on the street it's weirder if i don't acknowledge them, than if i do, so there's a different standard, and i get that.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
13. "That's why I said "at best"."
In response to Reply # 7


  

          

If someone is just walking along the street and not making eye contact with you, there's no good reason to go out of your way to say anything to them really.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
21. "^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 13


  

          

.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
26. "that's fair. would you consider any unwanted statement"
In response to Reply # 13


          

harassment?

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
33. "Essentially, yep."
In response to Reply # 26


  

          

I'm not saying it should be punishable by law to offer an unsolicited "hi", so if you were referring to some legal definition, my answer would probably be different.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
38. "nah not legally, just as a social more"
In response to Reply # 33


          

that's a fair definition. i don't think i agree, but i respect the stance.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
47. "i'm assuming backbone is male and unless he's hollered at"
In response to Reply # 26


  

          

frequently
he probably wouldnt consider that harrassment
clearly this woman (and most others) get unwanted statements ALL DAY

sorry we aren't picking out the "good" vs the "bad" ones for you
it's all bothersome and unwarranted

it would be nice to consider "have a good evening" a nice thing to say to a stranger

but in this context and most of the time when women on the street get that said to them, the feeling is all the same regardless of the words. it's just another dude thinking he can say whatever to me and i'm supposed to respond

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
133. "THIS"
In response to Reply # 47


  

          


>regardless of the words. it's just another dude thinking he
>can say whatever to me and i'm supposed to respond


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Rjcc
Charter member
94963 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
80. "good afternoon / good evening"
In response to Reply # 7


          

when we're the only two people on the block walking within two feet of each other is an acknowledgement

on a crowded ass street to some random person walking by? nahhhh


http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
94. "definitely."
In response to Reply # 80


          

and it's definitely a disconnect for me.

i've probably spent less than 72 total hours walking streets that busy in my whole life, whereas i say good evening to pretty much everyone i see while i walk my dog.

it's a different environment with different social rules.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
RobOne4
Member since Jun 06th 2003
56697 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
117. "RE: definitely."
In response to Reply # 94


  

          

yeah it really is a different world. Out here in the burbs its normal to greet people you pass while walking. Good morning or how you doing? Shit even a smile and nod. I do stay quiet when its a female by herself and I am alone. Just because I know how intimidating I look and I dont want to scare anyone. But I still cant believe that video its crazy.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:22 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
128. "i think my tendency is to see the remarks as qualitatively different"
In response to Reply # 117


          

when in this environment, they're just quantitatively different.

in a suburban/rural environment "have a nice evening" is qualitatively different statement than "damn, ma *looks at ass region*"

in this environment they're just different levels of harassment.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Rjcc
Charter member
94963 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
185. "dude at :39"
In response to Reply # 128


          

even as a champion of the jorts movement

he like leans in a little and turns as she walks by saying "have a nice evening" bruh, you're going the other way, and she's giving you zero rhythm, where do you see this going?

unless she is actually a prostitute how can you imagine to yourself a positive reaction in this circumstance.

http://card.mygamercard.net/lastgame/rjcc.png

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
19. "^^^^^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 5


  

          

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
KosherSam
Member since Mar 18th 2004
70132 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
12. "yeah, I'm with you on that"
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

as was mentioned below, after all the "damn"s and "I just seen a thousand dollars walk by" and other shit that was thrown at her, I can see how a simple "hello" is gonna grate on you and make you shout "leave me the fuck alone!"

But yeah, even an insincere "have a nice day" while unwarranted and unsolicited, doesn't strike me as harassment by itself.

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
17. "many years ago on okp, i made a post named "have a nice day.""
In response to Reply # 3


          

i should have saved that shit. i got roasted SO HARD.

and my stance hasnt changed. its annoying and unnecessary.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
37. "'have a nice evening' doesn't exist in a vacuum."
In response to Reply # 3


  

          

as we saw in that clip.

the build-up of unsolicited/unwanted greetings amounts to harassment.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
8. "ugh this is my life"
In response to Reply # 0


          

its sad to say, but this is why when i run errands in my own neighborhood, i put on a costume....jogging pants, sports bra, sweat shirt, sneakers, scarf and tam on my head. it makes me feel like a sellout sometimes, but i seriously have a hard time dealing with all that shit. i dont see any kind of real solution in sight.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
T Reynolds
Member since Apr 16th 2007
42759 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:39 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
9. "how is that being a sellout?"
In response to Reply # 8


  

          

>its sad to say, but this is why when i run errands in my own
>neighborhood, i put on a costume....jogging pants, sports bra,
>sweat shirt, sneakers, scarf and tam on my head. it makes me
>feel like a sellout sometimes, but i seriously have a hard
>time dealing with all that shit. i dont see any kind of real
>solution in sight.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
15. "its changing my behavior to avoid shit i shouldnt have to deal"
In response to Reply # 9


          

with in the first place.

its letting the terrorists win.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
10. "yup. that's about right :("
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

then there's the occasionally extremely sexually explicit/creepy ones!

but yeah. at least once a day. already filled my quota this morning.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
13Rose
Charter member
19379 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
14. "I'm sorry Teef n/m"
In response to Reply # 10


  

          

.

This post was paid for by the following.

www.twitter.com/13Rose
www.debunkthemyth.org
http://dashaunworld.wordpress.com/
www.mothergreen.com

Remember MJ The Great!
PSN: ThirteenRose

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
falafel stand pimpin
Member since Dec 26th 2006
4381 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
153. "what if an attractive guy says have a nice day to you?"
In response to Reply # 10


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
275. "i'm going to chase after him and marry him"
In response to Reply # 153


  

          

ive been hollered at by all kinds of men. even cute ones

im just trying to get from point A to point B and im not interested
i have never ever evereverever entertained a street holler to the point im taking or giving my number

as i said below, im plenty social and in a social setting if a dude comes at me in a respectful manner he will likely get pretty far if the attraction is mutual

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
423. "It's not about attraction, it's about the setting."
In response to Reply # 153


  

          

The street is not a controlled or steady environment to entertain any man approaching you.
A good looking man can be just as much of a harasser as an ugly one.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

no_i_cant_dance
Member since Apr 10th 2006
5577 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
11. "Valid & yet, I'm concerned about the presentation."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

nm

<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
________________________________________

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7KBq0q5bU

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
16. "here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff..."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Oct-28-14 12:49 PM by PoppaGeorge

  

          

whenever I see reports about "street harassment" it's almost always NYCentric. I'm thinking that this is a uniquely NYC thing. Not that it DOESN'T happen in other cities, but it seems as if with the NYC "street holler" the way and frequency that it happens in this city is different than, say, Detroit, Phoenix, or LA.

in a sense it comes down to NYC'ers believing that they are the center of the universe...
---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
22. "wrong spot."
In response to Reply # 16
Tue Oct-28-14 01:00 PM by NikaMandela

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Ralo13
Member since May 29th 2007
5657 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
24. "or maybe more people walk/take public trans in NY than most other cities"
In response to Reply # 16


  

          

________________________________________

"A Slew Of Empty Gas In My Tank" (C) Khujo Goodie

http://i.imgur.com/gFXu2he.jpg

http://bit.ly/1r3dl53

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
28. "I think it's just volume. more people on any given street"
In response to Reply # 16


  

          

but i see it happen all the time in toronto too. Men are often shameless and disgusting and think it's a compliment. It's not. It's scary for women. And the countless comments of "it's just a compliment. these women should appreciate the compliment that their beauty is being acknowledged" is completely asinine and backwards. In a world where studies indicate that 40-60% of woman have experienced sexual harassment, and many of those have been victims of sexual assault, it is not okay to comment on a womans appearance that she does not invite. Even if a guy thinks he's doing something innocent, it may be incredibly scary or creepy to a woman, especially one that is walking by herself.

You saw two different men just walk with her. Can you imagine how terrifying that is? Who does that? In my opinion that goes beyond sexual harassment, and is a form of assault. People confuse assualt for battery, but as some definitions say "assault is often defined as an attempt to injure to someone else, and in some circumstances can include threats or threatening behavior against others"

If you are reading this and are one of the people that stands outside a store, or bar, or club, or bodega, or anywhere and you have ever said "smile" to a woman, you should rethink who you are as a person and change your ways immediately. It's disgusting.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Numba_33
Charter member
19328 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:14 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
39. "With the volume issue you mentioned"
In response to Reply # 28


  

          

I wonder if the cold anti-social setting in NYC leads guys to not care about making the lewd comments since to an extent, NYC isn't a communal warm environment unless you are on your block or area of residence.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
56. "I think this is a huge part of it"
In response to Reply # 39


  

          

>I wonder if the cold anti-social setting in NYC leads guys to
>not care about making the lewd comments since to an extent,
>NYC isn't a communal warm environment unless you are on your
>block or area of residence.

It's not the same in smaller cities or towns where people embrace each other in a warmer, friendlier way.

Even as big as it is, Phoenix was like that when I lived there. People spoke to each other all the time.

---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
29. "RE: here's the problem I have with this kind of stuff..."
In response to Reply # 16


  

          

>in a sense it comes down to NYC'ers believing that they are
>the center of the universe...

^^^^^^^^^^^x 1000

PREACH!

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Euameio
Charter member
636 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
"LA native, NYC transplant here-"
Tue Oct-28-14 03:49 PM by Euameio

  

          

getting hollered at in your car while driving is a thing in LA
and its mad scary!!

I can't begin to break down all the times I've been followed because I wouldn't roll my window down to talk to some dude!
or pull over to talk to some dude!

nah, guys will holler anyway they can.
online, offline and/or while driving-

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
312. "People will go off their route just to be fucking creepy"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

that is how fucked up it is being a woman in society. that someone is like on their way to work or to dinner or whatever and they see a woman and literally go "fuck where im going, i got a new destination. terrorizing this woman so i can tell her she's beautiful"

jesus fuck.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
18. "I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Summer months.

Whats wrong with people saying Hello?

If they said hello to every passer by its fine and they are a bit batty.

These men only say hello bc she is attractive, they would like to get to know her better so they can fuck. Period. There is no other reason to say hello, smile, damn, honk your horn whistle or kiss at.

If it is just to let her know they like what they see....like the horn honkers. Why not keep their opinion of her physical appearance to themself appreciate it and keep moving....the woman does have a mirror.

I am harrased in this way on a daily basis. It makes me feel unsafe. while walking 4 blocks to the gym in the dark (bc I should be able to) people say hello honk their horns etc. I feel unsafe and so I carry a bat.

Men need to behave like they have a mother sisiter daughter some women folk in their lives. They wouldn't want their mother to be treated this way.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 12:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
20. "i think gay men should hit on straight men more"
In response to Reply # 18


          

that would be awesome.

or not :-/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
27. "I don't think most men are physically intimidated by other men"
In response to Reply # 20


  

          

So I feel its better to be a beautiful woman and deal with them selves for 3 hot long ass months. Have them running down the street screaming just leave me alone damn!

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
65. "Intimidated, maybe not; On guard? Definitely."
In response to Reply # 27


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:00 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
23. "a bat, sis?"
In response to Reply # 18


          

wow thats hard core.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
31. "Its a mini bat day bat lol I leave out at 4:45 5 am for the gym"
In response to Reply # 23


  

          

I am not going to wait til later bc men are assholes. Do not talk to me in the dark you will be threatened loudly.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
73. "East Orange NJ used to call that a "nigga beware" bat"
In response to Reply # 31


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
poetx
Charter member
58856 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
82. "south jersey version: "nigga be cool" stick. worked on dogs, too."
In response to Reply # 73


  

          

eybody had one in the crib, just inside the door.


peace & blessings,

x.

www.twitter.com/poetx

=========================================
I'm an advocate for working smarter, not harder. If you just
focus on working hard you end up making someone else rich and
not having much to show for it. (c) mad

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:40 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
88. "Pretty much. The front desk staffer at my gym called it a nigga beater"
In response to Reply # 73


  

          

I was taken back a bit smh dude u @ work

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
196. "Yeah I got a big ass wrench in my truck for the same purpose"
In response to Reply # 88


  

          

With the same name

Sometimes you got to show cats fat meat is greasy


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
kingjerm78
Member since Jul 05th 2007
24725 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
575. "call mines the "nigga be good stick""
In response to Reply # 73


  

          

--------------------------------

one half of the most dynamic tag team on the net...nappyafro's FROCAST!

http://www.frocast.com
www.nappyafro.com
store.nappyafro.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
25. "lol for real? like a full sized louisville slugger?"
In response to Reply # 18


  

          

i shouldnt laugh but the visual makes me giggle
meanwhile i definitely need to be buying pepper spray. a woman was raped twice a few blocks away

let me repeat that again
SHE WAS RAPED TWICE

not by the same person. by TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE


raped once, walked away from that rape, raped again about a block away

they caught the first one (17 year old kid), and as far as i know, they haven't caught the second.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
T Reynolds
Member since Apr 16th 2007
42759 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
30. "WTF? "
In response to Reply # 25


  

          


>let me repeat that again
>SHE WAS RAPED TWICE
>
>not by the same person. by TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE
>
>
>raped once, walked away from that rape, raped again about a
>block away
>

jesus christ! I heard about that young spanish girl getting beat up and robbed around there too

I can't even begin to think what caused back to back assaults like that, what was going through these kids minds, if the incidents were related (had to be)

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dba_BAD
Charter member
14873 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
34. "extremely disturbing. get that spray friend"
In response to Reply # 25


          

n/m

__

fairweather

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:14 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
40. "mini bat I want a big one. When I have the lil bat out, not one &quot;Hi..."
In response to Reply # 25
Tue Oct-28-14 01:19 PM by napturalmystic

  

          

Good. I look like a crazy woman walking aroungd with a bat good. Leave me the hell alone and I wont beat the shit outta you with my bat.

stay alert and get the pepper spray or bat or small knife or taser.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
43. "In toronto pepper spray is illegal, BUT bear spray!"
In response to Reply # 25


  

          

bear spray in not illegal, and is easy to find and compact and I made sure my gf and her college-aged sister both got one. I know they say that when you carry a weapon you're more likely to have it used against you, but I always tell my gf to just keep her hand on it in her purse or jacket pocket when she is walking home at night. Always be ready to bust that shit the fuck out if someone gets too close or inappropriate. Most pussy men attackers are not expecting a woman to be carrying anything and would likely run away if a woman pulled that out...or a bat haha.

It's a sick world we live in.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
138. "OOH thanks!"
In response to Reply # 43


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
44. "that is horrible :("
In response to Reply # 25


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
6185 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
52. "http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/112255.gif"
In response to Reply # 25
Tue Oct-28-14 01:21 PM by 2.tears.in.a.bucket

  

          


http://www.arwrath.com/content/1/112255.gif

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

♚♚♚♚

screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

♚♚♚♚

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
32. "shiiiit that would work if i left the house for those 3 months"
In response to Reply # 18


          

but i wouldn't.

just enjoy myself for that time.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
45. "Nope you have to leave the house and wear clothing of the season."
In response to Reply # 32


  

          

Prime example of men know how they are and not wanting to deal with that shit.

You gonna just stay in the house lol

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
48. "why do i wanna leave the house if i already got a beautiful woman"
In response to Reply # 45


          

here?

it just doesn't even make any sense.

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
54. "for the same reason you're not at home"
In response to Reply # 48


  

          

jacking off right now.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
60. "well you obviously don't know me as well as you think"
In response to Reply # 54


          

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
68. "that's true."
In response to Reply # 60


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
KosherSam
Member since Mar 18th 2004
70132 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
76. "pretty sure he was implying that he'd be masturbating"
In response to Reply # 45


  

          

*Jews you*

"this is okp tho, reading is completely optional" (c) desus

Proceed with caution. I am overtly racist.

<-- In Pigpen we trust

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Numba_33
Charter member
19328 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
42. "RE: I think every man should have to be an attractive woman for 3 months"
In response to Reply # 18


  

          

>I
>feel unsafe and so I carry a bat.


You ever considered learning a martial art for self-defense purposes? I'm not joking around or trying to make light of your fears with that question.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:22 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
53. "I've considered it. For now its the bat. I have a tight schedule."
In response to Reply # 42


  

          

No one bothers me with a visible weapon.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Numba_33
Charter member
19328 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
122. "Visable weapon? Wow."
In response to Reply # 53


  

          

I have questions I want to ask, but I won't. Sucks to be that paranoid, but I get it.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
FLUIDJ
Member since Sep 18th 2002
44614 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
63. "no snark intended but...where do you stash your bat when you arrive "
In response to Reply # 18


  

          

at your destination??
Do you get odd looks because of the bat?
Metal or Wood?
Regulation?
.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
109. "I put it in my gym locker"
In response to Reply # 63


  

          

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
64. "i agree."
In response to Reply # 18
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM by SoWhat

  

          

i've had a slight taste of this and i thought i'd go crazy dealing for just a few hrs (in drag the first time) and then for a few months (when i was all muscled up). that 2nd time i wasn't out in public as a woman but as a man and when i was around my gay brothers i got cat-called and grabbed more often than i had ever experienced. i could only imagine how disturbed i would be if that were my existence most of the time and not just in those isolated moments. and i only dealt w/it from a small segment of the population - it would've been so much worse if i were targeted by a majority of the male population as most women are.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
116. "I'm glad you know what I mean. Not glad you were objectified"
In response to Reply # 64


  

          

it seems most men don't understand what this feels like.

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
140. "not a damn clue"
In response to Reply # 116


  

          

>it seems most men don't understand what this feels like.


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
35. "i think you ladies can all tough this shit out."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

this is like the millionth video of this shit.
yeah it sucks.
so what?
rock your pepper spray and keep it movin.
compared to the generations of women before you, this is like black people not being able to catch a cab.

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
50. "AWARENESS"
In response to Reply # 35


  

          

do you not see how many people think this is *still* not a big deal? oh right, you literally just that. you are the problem. everyone that downplays this as redundant or "not that bad" "they're just being complimentary" is living under a rock. it's harassment. it's borderline assault. a threat does not have to be explicit to be implied. this woman *should* feel threatened.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
169. "that's bullshit."
In response to Reply # 50


  

          

in Iran, they throwin acid on women.
Boko Haram is still kidnapping girls.
and yall in here bitchin about somebody saying some shit to you on the street (which has been happening forever) like now its "assault"
I'm not saying its ok
and if a woman feels threatened by it she should take precautions to defend herself against it
but all this everything that makes a woman uncomfortable is assault, rape culture shit, compared to women who are REALLY being assaulted on the street?
nah.
-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
225. "this is some reductio ad absurdum bullshit"
In response to Reply # 169


  

          

you are literally reducing a serious issue to an absurdist example that I can't possibly combat. Of course your example is atrocious and extreme and disgusting, but you are using your Iranian example to downplay the seriousness of street harassment on women.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:55 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
247. "my issue is with the word assault."
In response to Reply # 225


  

          

that's it.
these dudes are miserable creeps. yes.
they are not criminals.
men who are actually committing random acts of violence against women that cause irrevocable damage?
murder, rape, acid attacks, kidnapping
different.
I don't like the false equivalency of catcalls and assault.
that's all.

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
256. "okay, pumpkin."
In response to Reply # 247


  

          

won't nobody call them 'assault' just to spare your feewings.

what word do you want us to use?

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
272. "RE: okay, pumpkin."
In response to Reply # 256


  

          

yup. basically.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
291. "haha, i'm pumpkin. yall fighting the cause against dudes saying mami."
In response to Reply # 256


  

          

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
298. "just to make you feel better we'll call the assaults 'tiddlies'."
In response to Reply # 291


  

          

b/c saying 'assault' gives you the sads.

and b/c you don't understand the actual definition of assault and so you think the conduct being described here isn't assault when it really is. but that's okay. we'll say 'tiddlies' for you.

btw - look at the first definition of assault as found in a legal dictionary i've cited for you below, pumpkin:

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault

Assault
Definition

>>1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result.<< So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
309. "i posted a loose definition of assault above"
In response to Reply # 298


  

          

they dont wanna listen though. while im sure many street-hollerers are good people and well intentioned, putting oneself in someone else's shoes (especially one of the opposite sex) is clearly impossible to some of these people. they cannot get through their heads that women often feel petrified and threatened by their cute, harmless comments.

but its okay, they might be their wifey, so all bets are off.

this post is unreal to me.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
313. "most of the woman-haters in here are also class clowns"
In response to Reply # 309


  

          

who post as if they're throwing spitballs from the back of the classroom. so there's that.

but yes, there is an out right refusal to understand this issue from the women's perspective.

and also i think now or never hit on a real point - guilt. i think some of us men in this discussion feel as though we're being made to feel guilty about conduct we see as a positive. we bristle against that. plus we're a bit ashamed too. and once that shame and guilt hit some of us get defensive. and if we're also immature - here come the spitballs.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Numba_33
Charter member
19328 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
84. "You're ignoring"
In response to Reply # 35


  

          

the potential threat of physical violence that's unknown in some of these situations.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

nipsey
Charter member
9924 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
36. "Why is most of that video her walking down 125th in Harlem"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I would be interested in seeing what happened if she walked in other neighborhoods.

____________________________________
Podcast Now on iTunes and Google:
http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-iTunesSubscribe
Twitter: @nipsey @JTTOUPodcast

Last 3 things I watched:

The Changeling Season 1 (Apple+): C
OMITB Season 3 (Hulu): B-
Ahsoka Season 1 (Disney

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
46. "it doesnt matter. it happens everywhere"
In response to Reply # 36


  

          

ive seen people of all race colour and creed be inappropriate with their words to women on the streets. that's where she was. and volume has something to do with it. there's a lot of people around where she was. obviously the quota will be higher.

but ultimately, what does it matter what streets she's walking?

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
nipsey
Charter member
9924 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
58. "I'm not denying it happens in other places"
In response to Reply # 46


  

          

I would just be interested in seeing how the interactions were in other parts of NYC. If she spent 10 hours walking, why was most of this edited video of her walk in Harlem? Is that because most of the harassment took place in Harlem (relatively speaking)? There are other parts of the city just as populated (if not more) than 125th. Did she get the same amount of harassment in Soho for instance? That's all I'm asking. I have no agenda.

____________________________________
Podcast Now on iTunes and Google:
http://tinyurl.com/JTTOU-iTunesSubscribe
Twitter: @nipsey @JTTOUPodcast

Last 3 things I watched:

The Changeling Season 1 (Apple+): C
OMITB Season 3 (Hulu): B-
Ahsoka Season 1 (Disney

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
62. "fair enough. "
In response to Reply # 58


  

          

i don't know the backstory or the area she was in. the video just proves her point.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Ill Jux
Member since Jan 19th 2007
14705 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
70. "word, they knew the reaction they would walking on 25th"
In response to Reply # 36


          

______

in the memory of NYC upt JUX�

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
72. "not to be extreme but that's basically saying"
In response to Reply # 70


  

          

"she had it coming"

"well, she knew the streets she was walking. she knew she would warrant the attention on *those* streets"

that is a problem.

what if she was wearing "club clothes"? then its "well, she knew what she was wearing on *those* streets"

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Ill Jux
Member since Jan 19th 2007
14705 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:39 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
487. "no, it's saying they purposely went to the "hood"/ black part of manhatt..."
In response to Reply # 72


          

______

in the memory of NYC upt JUX�

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
Member since Dec 25th 2010
16580 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
41. "That's why I don't even speak to women in the streets"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

******************************************
Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
howisya
Member since Nov 09th 2002
39983 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
75. "if it weren't for OKP, this issue would barely be on my radar"
In response to Reply # 41


  

          

i wouldn't presume to street holler and don't know anyone who does that. still, i'm sympathetic toward women who say and show that they have to deal with this harassment, and reading these posts and seeing these videos (although some are ridiculous like that one with the woman in a body suit walking through art galleries and museums) has helped the issue become a bit less abstract for me. i guess even people who have manners and show respect in some situations think they can or should behave this way toward women they don't know who are minding their own business in public, which is another of many sad signs of the times.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
49. "I mean..how else are you suppose to ask someone out?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

if you see a pretty girl youre interested in
whats wrong with greeting her
it doesnt have to be disrespectful

i get its nyc and ppl just dont stop in the street and talk
cuz they're sooooo busy with their big city lives and all

but where im from ppl do this everyday
niggas start families off of street hollers


_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
55. "there are proper channels. the street is not one of them"
In response to Reply # 49


  

          

it is absolutely a double standard. if a woman approached a man or solicits attention to a man on the street, fine. but it does not work the other way.

take a class. lots of people socializing in class.
go to a bar or club where talking politely or asking to dance is not as threatening.
use tinder.
use a dating site.
join an intramural co-ed sporting league.

there's lots of ways to meet people, uncreepily. talking to a woman walking on the street is no longer a safe place to do that in this world. too many disgusting people have made the streets scary for women.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:27 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
61. "yea but that could be my wife walking out of quik trip"
In response to Reply # 55


  

          

you miss all the shots you dont take

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
66. "but your wife might feel threatened. you wanna threaten your wife?"
In response to Reply # 61


  

          

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
67. "making an impassioned plea on craigslist missed connections"
In response to Reply # 61


          

is the classy thing to do

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
74. "lol how nutless is that"
In response to Reply # 67


  

          

i can deal with rejection in public arenas

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
77. "not as nutless as making a woman feel afraid to just"
In response to Reply # 74


  

          

walk down the streets for fear that one of the seemingly innocent hollas is actually coming from a true predator that will then walk beside her for 5 minutes creepily, all the while making her fear that she will be imminently attacked and raped, but too afraid to reach for her pepper spray because any move might make the man unleash.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
83. "i understand the fear completely...but i know plenty of women"
In response to Reply # 77


  

          

who dont live in fear and are able to
discern between an asshole and somebody who is genuine
i get it tho
it sucks for them

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
91. "there. you know plenty of women that fit your mold. "
In response to Reply # 83


  

          

now you have those people to ask out that you were wondering about. the one that might be your wife.

let the girls you don't know be on their way free of fear of threat and violence.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
71. "imagine there are dozens of other guys shooting a ball "
In response to Reply # 61


  

          

at the same hoop.

imagine how that hoop feels.

get out of your feelings as a man wanting a woman and get into her experience. try a little empathy.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:36 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
78. "i was raised by a single mother...ive heard all kinds of shit"
In response to Reply # 71


  

          

by random niggas on the street
so i understand it
thats why if i do take that approach
its always going to be respectful and polite

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
85. "but *your* polite intentions do not always translate"
In response to Reply # 78


  

          

don't you think even dangerous predators would be smart enough to use polite tender tones to see if they can get what they want through polite channels first?

if everyone is polite, it might just be fake for some of them.

That is the fear women have to face. that even a cute guy being polite *MIGHT* be a fucking psycho whose about to push her into a back alley if she doesnt respond politely.

"Is it cause i'm ugly? if i give you my phone number would you call me?" that guy from the video THINKS he's being polite, but he's obviously a fucking creeper. put yourself in HER shoes. Any comment made to her is suspect and potentially scary.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:40 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
87. "now take the next step."
In response to Reply # 78
Tue Oct-28-14 01:48 PM by SoWhat

  

          

and consider what that woman has been through and how many men have approached her respectfully and politely in just one day/week/month. and ask yourself if it's worth potentially ruining her moment/hour/afternoon/day/week/et al just b/c you feel like you gotta take a shot at her.

think about her and the very real possibility that she won't view your respectful holla in a vacuum but that due to what she's got going on your respectful holla is likely to be viewed by her as yet ANOTHER unwanted holla that she has to deal with. yet ANOTHER UNWANTED holla from another STRANGE man on the street who wants a piece of her attention.

think about her for a minute longer or a few seconds longer and stop making it about you and your mother. make it about her. and think about whether you want to add to that woman's struggle by being YET ANOTHER STRANGE MAN approaching her b/c he feels entitled to her time just b/c he's 'polite' and 'respectful'.

think about the stories she's heard or experiences she's had where a guy who approached all polite and respectful turned into a monster for some reason unknown to her. think about that when you wanna approach as YET ANOTHER STRANGE POLITE MAN who has intentions unknown to her. imagine the panic that may set off in her - even if brief. and multiply that panic by dozens-fold and imagine feeling that shit multiple times per day more days than not.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:49 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
97. "i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention"
In response to Reply # 87


  

          

but as a man
if i see someone im interested in
i might approach her...its that simple
the species depends on it lol
i totally get what they go through
but me going through the mental hula hoops of trying
to figure out if talking to her will potentially ruin her day
seems kinda of...i dunno..weak is the word im thinking of

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:56 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
105. "the species doesn't depend on QuikTrip hollas."
In response to Reply # 97


  

          

the decision to holla at a strange woman has shit to do w/propagation of the species and everything to do w/selfish men feeling entitled to women's attention. period.

>i totally get what they go through

you say that but i don't think you actually get what they go through. or if you do get it but act w/o reflecting on it then your getting it is meaningless. and it doesn't make you an ally.

>but me going through the mental hula hoops of trying
>to figure out if talking to her will potentially ruin her day
>seems kinda of...i dunno..weak is the word im thinking of

then after you decline to holla at that bitch b/c you might ruin her day, go to the gym and max out on the bench press. or go home and do some man chores around your house. or vigorously scratch your balls.

basically get the hell over yourself. your manhood is not in jeopardy if you decline to holla at a strange woman b/c you understand the impact it could have on her. if anything your manhood is enhanced if you incorporate empathy for women in it.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
veritas
Member since Sep 16th 2002
37201 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:45 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
164. "i ain't shit. sorry."
In response to Reply # 105


          

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivatorce7e7ba39bad2d6866f964b2da17298195501926.jpg

i still blame hip-hop.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:14 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
190. "LOL"
In response to Reply # 164


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
148. "RE: i dont really feel entitled to anyones time or attention"
In response to Reply # 97


  

          

yes
you do


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
156. "lol thats awesome how u do that"
In response to Reply # 148


  

          

tell ppl what they are and what they do
without knowing shit about them
thats a gift

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
165. "lol you typed it though"
In response to Reply # 156


  

          

you said you're not even going to bother thinking you might make her feel uncomfortable or ruin her day

because YOU want to talk to her


*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:58 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
172. "lets be clear here. i only street holler if the girl is a complete godde..."
In response to Reply # 165


  

          

im not that guy that shoots at everything

so just because im not cognizant of whatever she went through
before i talk to her doesnt make me a bad person
if anything
when u hollering at a girl on the street u puttin yourself
out there for her to judge YOU and ultimately make a decision
if she wants to continue the convo
i have no power in that situation

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
176. "and you give her no option to engage with you"
In response to Reply # 172
Tue Oct-28-14 03:05 PM by teefiveten

  

          

you just roll up to her

its good to know that you back down when it's clear she's not interested and all that but you also have made it very clear that you really DGAF that she might find the encounter threatening

she doesnt know you. you may be a really sweet guy, you may be her future husband, but basically you are imposing on her. most women don't take it too an extreme extent. like i said i get hollered at every day i dont go nuts about it but i absolutely fucking hate it. unequivocally.

on top of all that, even considering that she might find it threatening you think is weak and you want to go ahead and do it anyway

it's troubling you don't find it to be a big deal. i bet all of those dudes think the same thing--that theyre nice and cool and this isn't a big deal and it's just a compliment and blah blah blah but it is not cool.


*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:14 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
188. "so how would you prefer a man to approach you?"
In response to Reply # 176


  

          

if i see you and im interested
what can i do in that situation
if ive never met you before in my life

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
269. "#180"
In response to Reply # 188


  

          

if you try and holler on the street you'll fail
if you catch me in a social setting, you may succeed

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                    
TheAlbionist
Member since Jul 04th 2011
3306 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 05:41 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
429. "You make it sound like seeing women is rare."
In response to Reply # 188


  

          

Like "FUCK, IT'S AN ATTRACTIVE WOMAN... GOTTA HOLLER!"

If it's the wrong time and wrong place, you can be pretty confident another will be along when the time and place is more appropriate. There are literally BILLIONS of women out there.... letting one walk past you on the street won't lead to a lifetime of celibacy.

_______________________________

))<>((
forever.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                        
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:10 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
464. "Ionno fam.. that sounds a little weird."
In response to Reply # 429


          

KIM because there are a billion women in the world.. pick another one to speak to because this one is on the street.





  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                            
TheAlbionist
Member since Jul 04th 2011
3306 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:25 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
518. "Do you ask random people who look successful for jobs in the street?"
In response to Reply # 464


  

          

No, you wait until you're in a job interview. It'd be weird, wouldn't it?

There are thousands of social situations where hollering is not just acceptable, but encouraged. It's surprisingly easy to keep your tongue from dragging along the floor until you're in one.

_______________________________

))<>((
forever.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                                
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
612. "#actually.. yes, I have talked to what appeared to be successful..."
In response to Reply # 518


          

people on the street.

Who the hell waits until a job interview to ask for a job? This ain't 1985.





  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:25 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
519. "ok some of yall are just fucking crazy"
In response to Reply # 429


  

          

lol the fact you think im some desperate thirsty ass nigga
that has no self control just shows
how ridiculous this whole thing is
i see its an issue
but yall are doin like 10 much right now
like really

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                            
TheAlbionist
Member since Jul 04th 2011
3306 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
527. "Where's the grey area here?"
In response to Reply # 519
Wed Oct-29-14 10:34 AM by TheAlbionist

  

          

I'm not trying to imply you're overly thirsty personally... just that the practise isn't acceptable enough to continue, even if you only do it once a year.

BUT if it's generally accepted by most women you speak to that random street hollers are, however unintentionally, a 'threatening' experience... where's the 'grey' situation where you think it would be ok? When is it ok to risk putting someone in fear for their safety so that you can chance your arm at chatting them up?

Is that for you to decide? Isn't it "better to be safe than sorry"?

Is there a reliable visual cue from the target that lets you know she's safely hollerable or is it a lottery as to whether you'll scare or flatter her?

Why not just.... stop doing it and holler in situations where everyone's comfortable and prepared?

_______________________________

))<>((
forever.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
152. "The way you portray it, a woman should never be approached"
In response to Reply # 87


          

A woman is at a bar just enjoying a drink. Should she be subjected to another strange, unwanted holla? Who knows how many times she's been approached that night by a strange man.

Plug in any location or event (school, bookstore, grocery store, park, party, etc.) and your qualm fits. Why is the street any different?

There is always the chance that a man's attempt to woo a woman will be unwanted. And an attractive woman, by nature, is going to have more men interested in her. So should men take this into account an stop (respectfully) hollering at women they are attracted to in order to avoid causing 'panic'?

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
158. "we're not having this conversation."
In response to Reply # 152


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
286. "oh please oh pleaaaase"
In response to Reply # 158


  

          

i'm sure
i'm absolutely POSITIVE pimpgangsterblahblah will have something redeemable to say after that post


i promise!
*crosses fingers behind back
(.. )
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
378. "lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question. "
In response to Reply # 286


          

Is there any time/place where it's appropriate for a man to approach a woman in public?

My interpretation of his post led me to think his answer to that question is no. From the dismissal, I'm still not sure.

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
404. "No? Your surrrre...you promise?"
In response to Reply # 378


  

          

Because the work you're doing below
Oh my yes
I can see clearly how earnest you are at seeking answers that have never before been address on these here boards nor anywhere online nor offline

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:26 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
447. "See #435 & 436"
In response to Reply # 378


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
Member since Dec 25th 2010
16580 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:40 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
452. "RE: lol. No need to be so dismissive. It's an honest question. "
In response to Reply # 378


  

          

>Is there any time/place where it's appropriate for a man to
>approach a woman in public? No

******************************************
Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
Member since Dec 25th 2010
16580 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
221. "I wait for a woman to speak to me and then go from there"
In response to Reply # 49


  

          

Yeah I've probably missed out on some dates but I don't want to come across like the dudes in the video posted up top

******************************************
Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

T Reynolds
Member since Apr 16th 2007
42759 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:20 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
51. "Let me be honest and say it makes me furious"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

if I'm two paces behind my chick in a crowded area and I gotta hear some dumb old motherfucker "MISS! HAVE A BLESSED DAY!" ONE MORE TIME

I'm gonna fuckin snap

Like people are saying above, it's worse in NYC than other cities, but in no way is it isolated to NYC. And it's worse in certain areas of NYC, but definitely not limited to where this video is shot.

ANY PUBLIC AREA you gotta walk through a woman is susceptible to this shit

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
59. "yup! i walk around t.o. with my gf"
In response to Reply # 51


  

          

she walks ahead to look at something and almost immediately someone is saying something to her. maybe she's outta my league so people don't see me as a possibility for her bf, or whatever, maybe they just do not give a shit.

it's infuriating to see people of the same sex just bringing down that sex so far into the gutter.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"Or maybe you're hella slammable & nobody worried abt you"


  

          

Or whether or not you do or don't like something


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
102. "duh. i was joking about my validity."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

the point was, a woman walks alone and immediately gets creepy ass stares and comments, completely unsolicited and unwarranted.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
107. "You do too, asshat. You just ignore it."
In response to Reply # 102


  

          

Go in public, and mad people are going to be looking and talking abt you. That's life.


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
110. "that doesn't make it okay. "
In response to Reply # 107


  

          

I love people watching. It's one of my favourite things to do. I'm amused at what people do in public. But I don't GAWK. I don't make comments. I dont solicit. I mind my own business.

Just cause it's normal, doesn't make it okay. You are a man. You don't have to get it. I am a man too. I don't want my daughter, my so, my sister in law, my mother, or any other woman to feel threatened cause someone just HAD to say HI or MMM or A THOUSAND DOLLARS JUST WALKED BY.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
111. "*Ignores it*"
In response to Reply # 107


          

gets bottle thrown at head

You were sayin?
*****************************************
http://prettyperiod.me/

http://youtu.be/u8bIK3bWgog<;--HAHA

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
113. "That's why we have guns. nm"
In response to Reply # 111


  

          


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
115. ". . . "
In response to Reply # 113


  

          

http://mhmarketingsalesmanagement.com/blogs/tonykovach/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/painted-into-a-corner-credit-canaconcepts-.gif

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
69. "shit's wild..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

as much as i want to make this about men...this is still mostly about the direction of pursuit

ok, maybe not mostly...but i think it's the key ingredient in the street harassment gumbo

Holding men more accountable won't help bc in certain urban areas...knowing how to engage strange women is a skill and sometimes even a useful one...

not to say it's worth continuously harassing women over...but even without street harassment...women will be inconvenienced by how men pursue them...

I'd like to think DC is better than NYC but it's really not by much

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
98. "99% of that isnt genuine pursuit"
In response to Reply # 69


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
101. "99% of most pursuit isn't"
In response to Reply # 98


  

          

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
150. "nah....maybe 85% isnt."
In response to Reply # 101


          

street hollers are especially for shits and giggles.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
151. "that doesn't make it better"
In response to Reply # 101


  

          

dudes need
yes NEED to stfu
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

FLUIDJ
Member since Sep 18th 2002
44614 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
81. "What does Hollaback do with $$? How do they stop it? *googles now*"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          


.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
gumz
Member since Jan 09th 2005
20118 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:10 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
445. "i was wondering the same thing"
In response to Reply # 81


  

          

http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
twitter: @BrosefMalone

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
86. "I blame matriarchy."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

If yall hadn't taught us to never give up and to be hunters in the male/female relationship and to shrug rejection off...we wouldn't be here.

Nope. Y'all's fault.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
89. "most of my feelings have already been conveyed"
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Oct-28-14 01:42 PM by atruhead

  

          

- NY is the biggest city, aggression of all types is the culture of the city (not that this is acceptable)

- they definitely added sensationalism by going to 125th street, and who really walks for 10 hours in a day to make a point?

- 600 minutes walking in a city of 8 million people taught "you eat what you kill", yes you're going to be spoken to every 6 minutes on average. especially if you go to "the hood" where everyone is already on edge

- street harassment is bad, but dont intentionally place yourself in the midst of savages to hype up the idea




  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
132. "RE:savages fam?"
In response to Reply # 89


  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
137. "yes, Im from 4 blocks south of 125th Street"
In response to Reply # 132


  

          

I know the area pretty well. the nature of many Harlemites is savage

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

melmag
Charter member
18469 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
90. "Shoshanna is her name"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

attention whoring is her game

https://m.facebook.com/yoshi25

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
92. "^HOW CREEPY IS THIS?!!? "
In response to Reply # 90


  

          

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
296. "Very. Melmag's always been rapey."
In response to Reply # 92


  

          

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
blkprinceMD05
Member since Nov 29th 2004
41323 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
330. "yeah he's one of the true low life's here"
In response to Reply # 296


  

          

And he's also pretty dumb

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
FLUIDJ
Member since Sep 18th 2002
44614 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
93. "i really hate when you guys link the mobile version of websites"
In response to Reply # 90


  

          


.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
95. "this is NOT unique to NYC."
In response to Reply # 0


          

i've lived in Memphis, DC, Chi, and now CT.

this shit happens very often.

i learned as teen to not drive with my windows down in the summer. why? cause dudes think it's a signal to holla. so, i have to drive with my windows rolled up even though i love driving with the windows down in warmer months.

i've been followed by a man in my car as i was driving.

i've had a man in a bookstore push up on me and get rejected. as i working at a desk in this bookstore, he proceed to follow me and stare at me. this was in a bookstore on the weekend during daylight hours that was FULL of people. he gave no fucks. i ended up leaving and going home.

street harassment is NOT NYC or even East Coast centric. it's not even "street" centric cause it happens every where. the bookstore. the grocery store. the parking lot. driving in your car with the windows/top down. in the mall.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
96. "Move to the fucking suburbs or stfu..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

large cities with dense populations will always have street holla's, junkies, drug dealers, rats, etc...

I'm sorry but I can't feel sympathy for people who pay $400 a sq ft and live on top of each other who demand silence once they hit the pavement.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
103. "I don't understand why you can't give me the head nod"
In response to Reply # 96


  

          

All motherfuckers want is an acknowledgement if their presence

We are here, you see us, nod. Smile. Look. Something.

No as a woman you don't owe anyone shit.

Yes I get women live in abject fear of being beaten and gang raped every second they are on the street

But if you don't want people to say shit to you, throw some headphones on

So you can't hear em anyway

I'm confused as to what I as a man am supposed to do to stop this

Run up on cats that said good evening and be like no! Stop being nice to this chick she just trying to go to Popeyes in peace


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:26 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
134. "NEWS TO BIN: EVEN THAT SHIT DOESN'T WORK"
In response to Reply # 103


  

          

>But if you don't want people to say shit to you, throw some
>headphones on
>
>So you can't hear em anyway
>

If I had a dollar for every time a dude approached me while I had on my headphones, Oprah and Warren Buffet combined wouldn't have shit on me.
They will tap you, motion to you, stare you to death etc.
When certain types of men want a woman's attention they will go to most any lengths to get it with no fucks given at all.

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
299. "Fuck you, Bin."
In response to Reply # 103


  

          

Sometimes your stupid shtick is just offensive.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
349. "I'm offended that you think I shoukd GAF that you offended"
In response to Reply # 299


  

          

So we're even, hoe.

And tell your mama I want my eggs over easy, not scrambled.


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 04:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
424. "Yeah, it's obvious that you don't care. I wouldn't be so proud of it, th..."
In response to Reply # 349


  

          

And I'm not talking about our interactions, just in case it's not clear.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Overqualified
Member since May 03rd 2006
4543 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
99. "Message: NYC dudes have been...and are still gameless. Got it."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Oct-28-14 01:52 PM by Overqualified

  

          

.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
104. "thats another thing too...dude just walked next to her for 5 mins"
In response to Reply # 99


  

          

without speaking
thats just weirdo shit

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
108. "can yall not understand it ain't just happening in NYC or the east coast..."
In response to Reply # 99


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

RobOne4
Member since Jun 06th 2003
56697 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:52 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
100. "damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

i thought I had everyone down.

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 01:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
106. "posts like this bring out the true misogynists."
In response to Reply # 100


          

they think liking to fuck women is the same as liking and viewing women as human beings. it's not.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
112. "maybe yall should be more specific"
In response to Reply # 106


  

          

cuz i really dont see anyone saying anything
unreasonable or misoginstic
im actually starting to think that term only lives online
cuz i never see it in real world applications

misogyny?

do you know any men that truly hate women?
or do you just throw that term around
because of street hollers

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
RobOne4
Member since Jun 06th 2003
56697 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
114. "some of you are dense as hell"
In response to Reply # 112


  

          

November 8th, 2005 The greatest night in the history of GD!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:12 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
119. "lol we all got usernames on here...who are you talking about"
In response to Reply # 114


  

          

i skimmed over this whole post
and i dont see anyone being unreasonable
or just contrarian for the hell of it

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
162. "misygony isnt about just hating women"
In response to Reply # 119


          

its about not valuing women as human beings who deserve respect.

its misogynistic to think its ok to for a man to invade a womans personal space just because he wants to fuck her.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
118. "yes. 'misogyny' is an OKP invention."
In response to Reply # 112


  

          

absolutely.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:20 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
127. "online isnt just okp"
In response to Reply # 118


  

          

i just see that word thrown around so much
online but never ever hear come from anyone i know
it seems to be a catch-all term
because i just dont believe men hollering at women
is men hating women or whatever misogynists do

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
142. "misogyny is an extreme term"
In response to Reply # 127


  

          

"I have the right to speak to this woman, fuck whether she's uncomfortable" is an extreme concept that lends itself towards being utterly dismissive of a woman's right to be left alone

both sides are being extreme though. on one hand there's "women could be murdered by a guy saying hello", on the other there's "how else am I going to get to know someone?"

the middle ground is accepting a woman's cues when she's disinterested and walking it off politely

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
145. "okay, dude."
In response to Reply # 127


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
124. "there is a way to approach a woman while being respectful and "
In response to Reply # 112


          

conveying sincere interest. however, 90% of the time that's not what is going on.

throwing out "hey girl *insert some language about her body or sex*" or "hey beautiful" or whatever else along these lines ain't it.

it's misogyny when you have men and women talking about "why you gotta walk don 125th street? you KNOW that's how they do" as though she should alter HER behavior so she won't be harassed. or "get out of NYC" or anything else that conveys a woman inexplicably wants this behavior directed towards her based on where she lives, walks, works, dresses, etc. all of this implies that both parties are equally culpable for this. this is not true. the problem lies with the harasser, not the person being degraded, inconvenienced, and feeling scared for their safety.

and yes, i know men who truly hate women.


  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
136. "Perfect."
In response to Reply # 124


  

          

I mean it's crazy what some men think or brush off as okay. It's never okay to make a person feel afraid or uncomfortable or scared just cause "i had to holla. its survival of the fittest out here. she could be my wife! how can i not take my shot!?"

THIS ISN"T ABOUT YOUR EGO. If she's SOOOOOO gorgeous you just had to take your shot...then so did the 40 other guys she walked by earlier today. You're not special. This is ALL about a womans right to not feel afraid and threatened.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ShinobiShaw
Charter member
48550 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
282. "the fact that you have to explain this to people"
In response to Reply # 124


  

          

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
123. "by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy."
In response to Reply # 106


  

          

Does that make me a misogynist? If so, I'll be that.

Having sex with a woman is way...and I do mean waaaaaay better than just abt any other activity one could engage in with a woman.

Other than spending her money. That might trump it.

But barely.


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
125. "RE: by far...I mean leaps and bounds the best thing abt women is pussy."
In response to Reply # 123


  

          

>Does that make me a misogynist? If so, I'll be that.
>
>Having sex with a woman is way...and I do mean waaaaaay better
>than just abt any other activity one could engage in with a
>woman.
>
>Other than spending her money. That might trump it.
>
>But barely.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
135. "this nigga, lmao"
In response to Reply # 123


  

          

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
139. "bro, you doin' hella much in this post."
In response to Reply # 123


  

          

like a whole lot, and it's the reason folks can't take some of the good shit you say seriously in other posts

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
147. "name anything, any event with a woman...now compare it with sex"
In response to Reply # 139


  

          

And ask people which they'd rather do

Go to the moon v. Sex

Balance the national budget v. Sex

Roller coaster v. Sex

I mean...y'all can be mad all day long but shit is what it is

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
195. "RE: "
In response to Reply # 147


  

          

>And ask people which they'd rather do
>
>Go to the moon v. Sex
>
I'm going to the moon, you goddamn weirdo

>Balance the national budget v. Sex
>
i'm balancing the budget holmes, then having all the "that spanish enwurd solved an american crisis" pussy for months, maybe years

>Roller coaster v. Sex
>
sex. i hate roller coasters

>I mean...y'all can be mad all day long but shit is what it is
>
no, it's not what it is. it's a social construct, but you a capitalism yay guy, so this line of reasoning makes sense

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
203. "Well hell, this explains everything you a communist."
In response to Reply # 195


  

          

Carry on, pinko


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
241. "RE: lol. at least i know you ain't a scumbag like these other"
In response to Reply # 203


  

          

crazy MFers

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
bonitaapplebaum71481
Member since Aug 04th 2003
22576 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:04 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
434. "I know you joking but...."
In response to Reply # 123


  

          

you got daughters b...

you gotta chill


"i wanna hug all u idiotic bastards & then set you all on fire" -Bin

www.twitter.com/bedstuybetty
http://bedstuybetty.tumblr.com/
DROkayplayer: Giving you good puff since May '05

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
154. "RE: damn I got to add a few people to the list reading the replies"
In response to Reply # 100


  

          

>i thought I had everyone down.

*salutes*
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

2.tears.in.a.bucket
Member since Sep 04th 2009
6185 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:14 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
120. "ole boy walking alongside her for 4+ min was creepy as fuck"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          


he has to have committed a sex crime of some sort

♚♚♚♚

#BYLUG >>> https://goo.gl/1ooFp6

♚♚♚♚

screamin' mothafuck a 12 /
bitches ain't shit /
cops ain't neither /
they huntin' my people /

- i. rashad

♚♚♚♚

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Chanson
Member since Nov 09th 2004
15000 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
121. "What's the solution?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I doubt any of them dudes can spell misogyny or even know what street harassment is.

How can they be reached?

mind
--------
matter

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:19 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
126. "violence."
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

no, but i dunno how to reach them.

i think the first step is to get them to stop thinking about themselves and to think about the holla from the woman's perspective. which is the point of this video and other similar awareness campaigns.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
129. "it really is perspective. that woman. your mom. your sister. "
In response to Reply # 126


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:34 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
146. "mom/sister...eh."
In response to Reply # 129


  

          

i don't think that works b/c then dudes jump on that 'but i'm respectful!' shit. and they don't get that even the 'respectful' hollas are unwanted and need to be curbed.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
157. "some ppl are more empathetic to women they know"
In response to Reply # 146


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
160. "yeah. sure."
In response to Reply # 157


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
159. "there was some of that in this very post :("
In response to Reply # 146


  

          

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
161. "i know, right?"
In response to Reply # 159


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
179. "yep. i mentioned my mama"
In response to Reply # 159


  

          

cuz shes 5'11
and very pretty and dudes used to say all manners of shit
to get her attention
i never once saw her fear for life
or start campaigns against street hollers
it made me understand theres a right and wrong
way to approach someone

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
RS
Charter member
1260 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
546. "So cuz yo mama"
In response to Reply # 179


          

Was weak and desperate enough to deal with that bullshit, my sister should? Get the fuck outta here with yo dumb ass anecdotes....




>cuz shes 5'11
>and very pretty and dudes used to say all manners of shit
>to get her attention
>i never once saw her fear for life
>or start campaigns against street hollers
>it made me understand theres a right and wrong
>way to approach someone
>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:01 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
552. "wow smh lmao"
In response to Reply # 546
Wed Oct-29-14 11:07 AM by decaturpsalm

  

          

she was weak and desperate for not making videos?
i never once saw her accept a street holler
cuz they were disrespectful
and i really try to keep it light on here
but fuck you for calling her weak and desperate
seriously fuck you
you dont know shit about her
ugh you people


i dont ever get mad on here
but maybe you should identify yourself
cuz thats some real cowardly shit to do talk abt someones mom
from behind a screenname
I would seriously fuck you up for that shit nigga

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
130. "by teaching men and boys that women are not porno images come to life."
In response to Reply # 121
Tue Oct-28-14 02:28 PM by rambunctious

          

men need to be taught as young boys that women are not simply body part to have sex with. men and young boys need to be taught that they are not entitled to sex or a conversation with a woman because you deem her attractive. men and young boys need to be taught that a woman's primary purpose is NOT to serve you or to engage in any interaction with you cause you want her to.


there needs to be a cultural shift in the values and attitudes we promote for men and women. there needs to be shift in how romantic relationships are portrayed through media. there needs to be a shift in men and women are socialized in regards to romantic relationships and expectations associated with romantic relationships.

men need to understand that same social cues that apply to in the work environment, with your parents/siblings/family, friends, and other non-romantic interactions also apply to romantic situations.

if you're having a conversation with someone and he/she keeps darting their eyes away from you or looking at other things in the vicinity while you're talking to them, would you interpret this situation as the person wanting to be in a conversation with you? would you interpret this person as interested in the conversation or you?

answers to these questions should be "no." those same social cues exist in every other human interaction, including flirting and romantic interactions.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"honestly what are yalls social circles like that its that bad?"


  

          

that there needs to be a cultural shift
i just watched a dude holler at a girl at chipotle last nite
she didnt run for her life and he didnt try to rape her
it seems like things get overblown so quickly
when it comes to matters of communication between men and women

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
144. "okay. i've done what i've could. i can't help you understand this."
In response to Reply # 0


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
149. "This isn't fish in a barrel. It's not okay to find the "
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

examples of it not ending in rape. There are exceptions to every rule. Some men get raped too.

But you finding occasions where the girl didnt run off screaming rape! is not an excuse.

If you make 8 girls uncomfortable from your polite hollering to find the 9th girl that likes it, you probably immediately forgot about the 8 girls you made feel frightened and awful. BUT YOU FOUND ONE WHO DIDNT MIND! Yay.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
155. "I bet 99% of street hollas don't end with rape or an attack"
In response to Reply # 149


          


y'all use that .5% for every argument.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
201. "YOU SOUND REAL RAPEY RIGHT NOW"
In response to Reply # 155
Tue Oct-28-14 03:21 PM by dgonsh

  

          

In your brilliant math, if 1000 women get hollered at, the 5 people who get raped are just...what...nothing? just .5 percent?

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
273. "pointing out a stat isn't minimizing the act"
In response to Reply # 201


          


  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
280. "using a "stat" you pulled out of your ass as justification IS tho"
In response to Reply # 273


  

          

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
143. "If you think you're being polite, ask yourself WHY you're being polite"
In response to Reply # 130
Tue Oct-28-14 02:33 PM by dgonsh

  

          

to this individual. Odds are, you weren't just being polite to the homeless elderly woman that just walked by. You weren't being polite that dude that just walked by. You're being polite becuase you want to fuck this person. You don't expect her to reciprocate, so whats the harm in taking a shot? right?

You want to fuck her. It's always about sex. So even us polite folk, still want to fuck. Now put yourself in the woman's shoes. She knows she is a vagina to these men. The rude ones. The creepy ones. The polite ones. There's no lesser of 2 evils. It's all scary. Anyone can snap and push her into a back alley.

She just wants to get to her destination unscathed. Your homegrown "mama taught me to be polite and chivalrous" act is of no consequence to her. She is frightened by your words.

It all comes back to wanting to smash.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
173. "rape and assault isn't about wanting to "has the sex" though"
In response to Reply # 143


  

          

or at least that's how it's often presented...it's more about power...which street hollering can also be about

i think that might be a bit misguided to think that those crazy motherfuckers would have been ok if they just kept their lust isolated to their own mind...

not to say that even if it was all harmless...it should be celebrated...

i just think this is complicated and some people want to simplify it while others overcomplicate it

i dont have any of the answers sway

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
175. "rape, sexual assault, and street harrassment all have roots of"
In response to Reply # 173


          

entitlement and wanting power and control over women.

i don't think anyone is denying this.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
181. "read what i replied to"
In response to Reply # 175


  

          

bc you are agreeing with me on that particular aspect

i'm taking issue with objectification or sexual pursuit as the root of the problem...

i know you or others take issue with it...but i disagree in that area...

but i was just taking issue with the "just wanting to smash" being the reason for those assaults and so forth

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
209. "my point was that the end game of politeness"
In response to Reply # 181


  

          

to an attractive woman (or anyone you wouldnt otherwise be overtly polite to) is rooted in desire. not necessarily the act of intercourse but of being with that person on some level. possibly sexual, possibly violently, possibly emotional.

the point is, if you are "being polite" to one person, and not the 20 people that walked by before or after, ask yourself why you're being "polite" to THAT person. It's probably because they do something to you in that moment. And THAT is what's constantly happening to that person. And they feel uncomfortable. And they cannot decipher between the purely innocent, and the illicit. IT's jsut deafening and horrible all the time.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
219. "i dont see the problem with that"
In response to Reply # 209
Tue Oct-28-14 03:33 PM by MiracleRic

  

          

now, i am speaking from a place of privilege

but i believe that men and women should feel somewhat free to pursue that desire

that's why i mention objectification

the reality of it is that it affects women differently bc of other societal circumstances...

i think objectification isn't offensive, inappropriate, and will be rampant no matter which ways we try to designate as socially acceptable

rather than trying to combat that...i feel like their are other solutions...none of which i have btw

i feel like we should address those other societal circumstances rather than trying to combat the innate (and for many constant) pursuit of sex

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
232. "There's nothing wrong with pursuing sex. "
In response to Reply # 219


  

          

But imagine the fear that a woman faces on a street in rejecting a guy creepily hollering at her. She is afraid to say anything because if she gives in, she's in trouble, and if she says fuck off or even politely declines, she fears escalating the situation and the potential for danger is rampant in her mind.

Even if she does end up being interested as Bin so impressively accomplished with his wife, that is exception to the rule, and we should not be making 999 women feel AFRAID to say no to get to the one woman who willingly says yes. And odds are if she's interested, she probably flashed eye contact in the direction of that guy that welcomes some type of greeting.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
248. "but is that fear reasonable?"
In response to Reply # 232
Tue Oct-28-14 03:57 PM by MiracleRic

  

          

i personally don't think so

doesn't mean i think it's invalid

bc i have an unreasonable fear of police

but i recognize how irrational it is and feel like it's my responsibility to keep that in check while still acknowledging that there are factors that make my fears a reality...and that those are what I should address if i can as directly if possible

im fumbling this analogy and i apologize

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
271. "it is based on the anecotes"
In response to Reply # 248
Tue Oct-28-14 04:18 PM by teefiveten

  

          

2 dudes followed her
they didnt put their hands on her but it could have gone there easily

i think most of us who have a holler story have one that almost or did go awry

i went from being "complimented" to accosted with dude balling up his fist demanding that i thank him

can't blame me for being scared.

and while i can't control the behavior of these dudes
doesn't mean i should tolerate it either
i don't see why people, especially those who see it as wrong, figure it's just gotta be and we can't try and change opinions

because the fear really isn't that irrational. clearly.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
278. "it's like when cops follow me in the rearview"
In response to Reply # 271


  

          

not really a necessary evil

but one stop below that

i get tense...i get afraid...sometimes they even pull me over

and even though the worst case didn't happen

i still was afraid...and chances are they know they have that effect

sure, it's kind of their job

but pursuit is kind of ours too...not one all of us can turn on/off

i guess what i think i'm always trying to convey when engaged in this discussion is:

irrational fears based on anecdotes are valid but not solely the fault of men nor women...

i will continue to fear the police...

maybe my interaction with them is that much less and that's the messy part of the analogy but i'm not sure

can't tell if this is me just being stubborn or if i just can't figure out what it is that still has me on the fence

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                                
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
381. "i think this is it"
In response to Reply # 278


  

          


>sure, it's kind of their job
>
>but pursuit is kind of ours too...not one all of us can turn
>on/off


yes i know society trains you to take the lead but that doesnt mean you have to do it any and every setting

i don't understand why it's so hard to get that there's possibly may be a time and/or place for engaging women

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:20 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
567. "read my replies very carefully. "
In response to Reply # 248


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
266. "^^^^^^^^"
In response to Reply # 209


  

          

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
171. "they should do the same set up, with a "
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

woman walking out front to lure the hollas.

then trailing behind her, some dudes to holla at the men that catcall.

gay hollas would make it real for them.

Need some Terry Crews looking brother to holla at them, then when they get offended, say "smile" and follow them for 4 hours.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
220. "here's the thing: you can't separate &quot;misogyny&quot; from &quot;rom..."
In response to Reply # 121
Tue Oct-28-14 03:33 PM by kayru99

          

"chivalry"

We send a fuckton of mixed messages to men and women about how to interact with one another, and then get shocked when fuckery happens.

Also, a lot of this is regional. There are parts of the country where grocery store/gas station/Saturday car wash hollers are not only acceptable, but kind of expected.

We gotta be honest about this stuff, and a lot of times we're...not quite there

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rawsouthpaw
Charter member
15496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
394. "i think indie material like this is community-based education"
In response to Reply # 121


  

          

which is what we always need in addition to org-based resources/interventions. myself and another teacher are going to be using this video in our curriculum along with other related material. there's lots of ways to help raise young boys with a higher consciousness on this, and lots of work being done already.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

BlassFemur
Member since Mar 26th 2008
10309 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
141. "One reason I don't do street hollas. Not trying to be annoying nigga #10..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

https://banafrit.com/
http://middlebrainmedia.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

DavidHasselhoff
Charter member
11451 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
163. "TELL ME TO HAVE A NICE DAY ON THE STREET AND IT'LL BE YOU LAST DAY ALIVE"
In response to Reply # 0


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
166. "I almost SHOCKED no one has yet to ask the question wether or not..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

this was even an issue back when our parents were coming up.

the #stopstreetharassment is just some agenda being pushed by feminazis & introverted/ antisocial, attention-whoring drama queens...GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELVES! sheesh.

I also blame gentrification & the overuse of social media but that's a whole 'nother convo. boy, are we in trouble.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
167. "who hurt you?"
In response to Reply # 166


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
187. "i aint hurt at all hun, just plain ol' TIRED of the bullshit. let's --"
In response to Reply # 167


  

          

(see:y'all) start using some sense & stop acting like the world is supposed to conform to our (see:y'all) silly ass idiosyncrasies.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
206. "How very sad."
In response to Reply # 187


  

          

>(see:y'all) start using some sense & stop acting like the
>world is supposed to conform to our (see:y'all) silly ass
>idiosyncrasies.

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
211. "YES absolutely! I totally agree and I'm sure the older generation does--"
In response to Reply # 206
Tue Oct-28-14 03:27 PM by Somnus

  

          

too.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
168. "i always take issue with objectification = misogyny"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

it's only one potential symptom of the disease but exists outside of it as well

i have zero problem with wanton sexual objectification bc i do believe it to be a driving force of people in general...

i think our social setup and the direction of pursuit and differences between the sexes make it harmful...but that objectification and hollering isn't something that can be stamped out or should be...it should just exist without the misogyny that is associated with it (correctly or incorrectly)

i've been robbed before...and not by women...but that doesn't cause me to fear every man that approaches me in one way or another...but i understand that i don't get approached by men like women do and i've never been raped or assaulted...so i admit i have shortcomings when trying to figure that aspect of it out a bit

but my gut still says that while street-hollering isn't necessary...i still have trouble see the overall benefit of eliminating it...the crazy men that abuse women are still going to abuse women...street holler or no street holler...

im starting to hate this issue in general

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ambient1
Member since May 23rd 2007
41077 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 02:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
170. "For every 2 single okplayery antisocial broad there are @10k saying the"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Complete opposite
Lol

Chix wanna be approached....just not by creeps or dudes they ain't attracted to

=======================================
Coolin...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
178. "the type of man to street hollar is generally one of those two"
In response to Reply # 170


          


>Chix wanna be approached....just not by creeps or dudes they
>ain't attracted to

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
180. "i go to clubs and bars"
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

i DJ and go to parties
i go to panel discussions and networking events

i don't mind being approached in social settings

while people want to think that the world is a stage i'm just trying to talk to work. or walk home. or do my laundry. or walk to the places i go to be social. or walk home from those places.

if it's meant to be, maybe we'll see each other in that setting
and i'll be all ears, if you come correct

otherwise, LET ME WALK DOWN THE STREET AND LEAVE ME ALONE

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ambient1
Member since May 23rd 2007
41077 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:14 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
189. "It's annoying...I get it...but I guarantee....u know what. .nvmd"
In response to Reply # 180


  

          

=======================================
Coolin...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
184. "all that eh"
In response to Reply # 170


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ambient1
Member since May 23rd 2007
41077 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
197. "I associate with chix who go thru phones, drive ES250s, and take ig pics"
In response to Reply # 184


  

          

With they tongue out...

I got a limited world view

=======================================
Coolin...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
202. "lol"
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
218. "valid"
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
T Reynolds
Member since Apr 16th 2007
42759 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
262. "god bless you lol"
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
281. "I feel like this should explain a lot lol"
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
302. "Not the ES250..."
In response to Reply # 197


  

          

couldn't even get the newer ES300 joint, had to be a My First Lexus ES250.


---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
200. "its's us who are antisocial when you got grown men up in here asking"
In response to Reply # 170


          

how to make a conservation with women? really???

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
174. "the replies in here from MRAs make ya wanna log off"
In response to Reply # 0


          

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Wonderl33t
Member since Jul 11th 2002
21405 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
177. "Reminds me of this vid from a few years ago"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wAN1msFgBjU

>damn NY
>
>http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A


______________________________
http://i.imgur.com/81XSukd.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
186. "That one nigga that followed her for 5 minutes straight"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

that was scary

sigh

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:17 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
192. "but he was RESPECTFUL! and she MIGHT BE HIS WIFE!!"
In response to Reply # 186


  

          

us all finna die if he don't holla at that woman!!!

do you not understand how high the stakes are for him???!!?

if he don't holla he's weak. he's not a man if he don't say something to her right then!

think about what he's going through!

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
234. "IF she ain't wanna be hollard at she shouldn't worn such tight pants"
In response to Reply # 192


  

          

or been so attractive...

so you know its HER FAULT NOT HIS!!!

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
237. "HOW WILL HE KNOW if he don't holla at her??"
In response to Reply # 234


  

          

she might be THE GRANDMOTHER OF HIS GRANDCHILDREN!!!!

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
259. "LOFL. this was a great exchange"
In response to Reply # 237


  

          

#levels

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:20 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
199. "that nigga was legit scary lol"
In response to Reply # 186


  

          

nigga just said fuck it...im just gonna scare her since she don't like me

that's the type of shit that just be like...*bangs gavel*

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:25 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
210. "this morning, 6am still dark outside...dude in a CAR followed me"
In response to Reply # 186


  

          

for 2 blocks. It was just so dark, no stores open yet. He was constantly trying to get me to walk over to his car and talk to him. That shit is just not logical to me. It's why I carry a knife. Fuck outta my face. Im so tired of this subject, I can't even say nothing else. It's like no matter what some men will never get it.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:08 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
268. "RE: Nope your fault, for being attractive and outside when"
In response to Reply # 210


  

          

it's dark

get over yourself you damn millenial

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
320. "change that to being a woman and outside when dark"
In response to Reply # 268


  

          

It was really really dark, I'm sure he didn't even see how I looked.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:15 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
191. "meanwhile women in Iran gettin acid tossed on em."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Oct-28-14 03:15 PM by now or never

  

          

http://www.latimes.com/world/middleeast/la-fg-iran-acid-attacks-20141027-story.html

and yall in here mad about niggas sayin "hey smile!"
talkin bout its sexual assault.

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:18 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
194. "and women in Ohio are getting set on fire."
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

http://www.nbc4i.com/story/26738542/woman-tells-police-she-was-set-on-fire


Woman Sexually Assaulted, Set On Fire Along Blacklick Trail
Posted: Oct 08, 2014 3:08 PM CST Updated: Oct 09, 2014 6:51 AM CST
By: Jason Mays, Assignment Manager
Connect
By: Denise Yost, Multimedia Content Manager
Connect

COLUMBUS, Ohio - A woman told police she was sexually assaulted and set on fire while walking along a trail on the southeast side of the city Wednesday afternoon.

Columbus police and EMS personnel were called to the Blacklick Trail near Winchester Pike and Shannon Road on a report of an assault at about 3:19 p.m. Wednesday.

A passerby told police he saw a person on fire, and called 911.

Upon arrival, a woman told officers that she was grabbed and dragged into the bushes while walking along the trail. She said a man sexually assaulted her and then used an accelerant and set her on fire.

The woman, who is in her 20s, was transported to the The Ohio State University's Wexner Medical Center with first- and second-degree burns to her chest. Her injuries were considered non-life-threatening.

Police and park officials are looking for a white male described as having a thin build and bushy eyebrows. He was clean shaven, and was wearing dark pants, a hooded sweatshirt, and reddish gloves.

Anyone with information is asked to call police at 614-645-4545.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
CherNic
Member since Aug 18th 2005
37156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
198. "and women in Detroit are getting their necks slashed"
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

what's your point?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:23 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
205. "women in DC are getting dragged into bushes."
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/bystanders-rushed-to-gwu-students-aid-as-she-was-being-attacked-in-campus-area/2014/10/21/b023dc4e-5917-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html


By Peter Hermann and Miles Parks October 21

A few hours before dawn Sunday, a man pulled a George Washington University student into the bushes and threatened to rape her. She screamed and pulled away, and she was able to escape on a street cutting through the Foggy Bottom campus.

Even as campus police responded to the woman’s call for help, placed from a nearby hospital, the man attacked another student, threw her to the ground and tried to take off her pants, authorities said. Bystanders went to the woman’s rescue and pointed a police officer to where the man was hiding, authorities said, and he was quickly arrested.

The two incidents are among several sexual assaults or attempts that occurred within a few hours early Sunday in Northwest Washington — in Foggy Bottom, Georgetown and the Dupont Circle neighborhood.

D.C. police have indicated that, apart from the Foggy Bottom incidents, the attacks at the three locations appear unrelated.

The suspect in the Foggy Bottom attacks has been identified as Mustapha Kone, 46, of no fixed address. He is charged with assault with intent to commit first-degree sexual assault, felony threats, kidnapping and simple assault. He has been ordered detained until a preliminary hearing Thursday in D.C. Superior Court. A university spokeswoman confirmed that the victims are students and that the school is “providing resources and support” to them.

Several GWU students said Tuesday that they feel safe on campus during the day, when it typically is bustling. But they said the situation becomes more worrisome in some areas at night.

“Normally, I really don’t walk around at night, but if I do, I try to be aware of the area,” said Kayla Lichtenberger, 22, a psychology major who lives in a 12-story apartment-style dorm near where the attacks occurred. “I only put one headphone in when I walk around at night.”

Students said areas of concern after dark include the Metro station and nearby parks. “Walking to tutoring last night, I saw four police cars,” she said. “I guess maybe they are trying to up the manpower.”

Divya Angra, 22, a medical school student, said that “these things usually happen really late at night or early in the morning.” One of her friends, Karolina Jaluba, 27, also a medical student, said that when she walks at night, she goes on high alert. “I walk home really quickly. I turn around and look,” she said. “I get freaked out really easily.”

The assault in the Dupont Circle area occurred in a car Sunday about 3:45 a.m. The victim described the assailant only as a man with dreadlocks who was wearing khaki pants. Police said they were looking for a silver-colored sedan. Three passengers were in the car at the time of the assault, police said.

About 6:30 a.m., police said a woman was sexually assaulted on Prospect Street, just north of M Street NW. A Georgetown University spokeswoman would not say whether the victim is a student, but she said the attack occurred in an area where about 1,000 students live off campus.

The school issued a public-safety alert saying only that a man had entered a house and assaulted a woman inside. D.C. police provided a more detailed description: a Hispanic man in his 20s, about 5 feet 7 inches tall, cleanshaven and last seen wearing a black leather jacket.

The Foggy Bottom attacks occurred about 3:20 a.m. According to a police affidavit, a man wearing a yellow sweater approached a GWU student near George Washington University Hospital and the Metro station and put his arm around her shoulder. He “told her to come into the bushes with him because he wanted to show her something,” the affidavit states.

When the student tried to remove the man’s arm, he tightened his hold, the affidavit says, and he forced her into some bushes. He threatened to kill her and tried to grab her as she pulled away, the affidavit says. She screamed and was able to escape.

A few minutes later, the affidavit says, the man accosted another student. The affidavit says that the woman asked the man not to follow her and that he grabbed her and threw her to the ground, causing her head to hit the pavement. The woman screamed, and several people rushed to her aid as the man limped away, the affidavit says. A university police officer arrested the suspect within minutes.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:24 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
207. "Australian woman strangled by man she tried to help."
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/woman-assaulted-after-checking-on-welfare-of-man-at-jamboree-heights/story-fnihsrf2-1227100302027?nk=681191eb6d6359db0caf62deb6c64909

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
212. "thank you for more examples of women actually being assaulted."
In response to Reply # 207


  

          



-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
217. "no problem. and the point is that women don't know"
In response to Reply # 212


  

          

when they're going to become one of these stories. they don't know that the stranger who approaches them on the street won't violently attack them. and it's not right for strange men to subject women to that fear just b/c those men want to fuck.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
239. "we agree. i'm just saying they are two different things."
In response to Reply # 217


  

          

street harassment =/= an actual assault

I understand drawing the equivalency in order to heighten sensitivity to the dilemma
but all that does is make men respond by saying "oh I'm a rapist now for saying hi on the street?! fuck that!" i.e. this post
and disserves the point of trying to make other people get that women feel their lives are in danger when they hear catcalls.
as you can see in this post, that's a REALLLLLY hard thing for men to even comprehend, let alone understand and sympathize with
trying to imply it's a criminal act is not the solution
I don't know what is, but it's not that

-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
260. "that is 'assault'."
In response to Reply # 239
Tue Oct-28-14 04:06 PM by SoWhat

  

          

http://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault
Assault
Definition

1. Intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. No intent to cause physical injury needs to exist, and no physical injury needs to result. So defined in tort law and the criminal statutes of some states.

2. With the intent to cause physical injury, making another person reasonably apprehend an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Essentially, an attempted battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states.

3. With the intent to cause physical injury, actually causing such injury to another person. Essentially, the same as a battery. So defined in the criminal statutes of some states, and so understood in popular usage.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
now or never
Member since Oct 27th 2004
3821 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
293. "ok. so all these men should be charged with assault."
In response to Reply # 260


  

          

gotcha.
i'll go ahead and turn myself in too, since last week a girl dropped her scarf and I picked it up and said "excuse me" to give it to her and she ran away.
no room for error.
-----
No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. (c) HL Mencken or some other motherfucker.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
300. "don't feel bad. ain't nobody calling you a criminal."
In response to Reply # 293


  

          

and ain't nobody arguing for the men who holla to be charged as criminals, necessarily. that straw man ain't got no legs.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
236. "Yes because having "DAMN!" yelled at you 20x is not assault"
In response to Reply # 212


  

          

or being followed for more than five minutes is not assault

FOH

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
208. "a young girl in CT was murdered this spring b/she rejected a boy."
In response to Reply # 191
Tue Oct-28-14 03:28 PM by rambunctious

          

the US has a serious problem with violence against women and misogyny. a symptom of this is how people blame domestic violence victims for being domestic violence victims.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/26/nyregion/connecticut-teenager-is-fatally-stabbed-by-fellow-student-police-say.html



Girl Fatally Stabbed at School in Connecticut on Day of Prom
By NATE SCHWEBER and MICHAEL SCHWIRTZAPRIL 25, 2014
Photo

After Maren Sanchez, 16, was killed at Jonathan Law High School in Milford, Conn. classmates painted a rock on campus her favorite color, purple. Family and friends, some in prom attire, later held a vigil for her at Walnut Beach, also in Milford. Credit Wendy Carlson for The New York Times

MILFORD, Conn. — A 16-year-old student was stabbed to death in the hallway of a high school here on Friday morning, the day of the school’s junior prom.

The authorities arrested a 16-year-old male student and charged him as a juvenile with murder, and the police said they were looking into reports that a dispute about the prom might have prompted the attack.

The killing occurred around 7:15 a.m., just as the school day was about to begin. Students crammed the halls of Jonathan Law High School, some giddily anticipating donning gowns and tuxedos later that day.

A scream cut the air, and there was momentary confusion as students were hustled into classrooms and told to stay. In one of the halls beneath a stairwell, Maren Sanchez, a well-liked member of the drama club known for her singing voice, lay dying.

Chief Keith Mello of the Milford Police Department said that officials had not made any rulings on possible motives, but that investigators were looking into reports that the victim had declined an invitation to the prom from the suspect, whose name the authorities did not release because he is a minor. The prom was postponed.

Photo

Maren Sanchez
“This is a very raw, a very fresh investigation,” the police chief said.

Tyler Curtin, 16, a junior at the school who said he had known Ms. Sanchez and the suspected attacker since they were in sixth grade together, said the attacker was dejected when she turned down his invitation. “He liked her for a while,” Mr. Curtin said. “She just got a new boyfriend.”

Mr. Curtin said he was in the media center just before the first class of the day at 7:20 a.m. He said the librarian reported hearing what sounded like someone falling down the stairs, called 911 and told all of the students to stay there.

Immediately after the attack, staff members and a police officer assigned to the school subdued the suspect, Chief Mello said.

Some staff members tried to resuscitate Ms. Sanchez as students ran for safety, the authorities and witnesses said.

Continue reading the main story

CONNECTICUT
1
Orange
Stratford
Milford
95
Site of stabbing
Jonathan Law High School
1
MASS.
CONNECTICUT
Long Island
Sound
New Haven
Milford
2 MILES
LONG ISLAND
“I saw someone lying there, a teacher was hysterical, the librarian was freaking,” said Rebecca Golden, 17. “I guess they were trying to help.”

Ms. Sanchez had cuts to her neck, chest and face, the Police Department said in a statement. She was pronounced dead at 7:43 a.m. at Bridgeport Hospital.

Classes continued and students said they knew little of the attack until the school was evacuated about 9 a.m. Sarah Golden, a freshman, said students were initially told that Ms. Sanchez had not been gravely wounded, though rumors spread rapidly on Twitter, where students created a hashtag, #prayformaren. Ms. Golden said she did not hear that Ms. Sanchez had died until about 10 a.m., when she saw it on the television news.

Edward Kovac, a cousin, who acted as a spokesman for Ms. Sanchez’s family, said more must be done to protect children from violence at school.

“The unprovoked attack on Maren this morning has unfortunately for our family resulted in the permanent loss of Maren Victoria Sanchez, a bright light full of hopes and dreams with her future at her fingertips,” Mr. Kovac said. “Maren should be celebrating at her prom this evening with her friends and classmates. Instead, we are mourning her death and we are trying as a community to understand the senseless loss of life.”

Photo

Family and friends, some in prom attire, released balloons at Walnut Beach during a vigil in honor of Ms. Sanchez in Milford, Conn., on Friday. Credit Michelle Mcloughlin/Reuters
Among her many roles at the high school, Ms. Sanchez had served as class president, manager of the swim and softball teams and a member of the drama club. Last year she won the school’s talent show with a rendition of “Home” by Phillip Phillips. She was also in the National Honor Society and other service clubs.

“She was the most beautiful person I knew,” Annalyse Rose DeLucca, 16, said. “She had a very big heart. She never let anybody feel left out. Every time I saw her she had a smile on her face.”

Recently, she was cast in “Little Shop of Horrors,” a musical comedy scheduled to be shown next Friday and Saturday in the high school auditorium, said Michael Mele, the drama program’s adviser. She was involved in some key puppetry in the show, a role at which flashier students might have turned up their noses: operating Audrey II, the giant man-eating plant.

“Her natural ease of just being able to manipulate this giant avocado-looking plant” clinched the role for her, Mr. Mele said.

The suspect will be formally arraigned in Juvenile Court in New Haven on Monday. A knife was recovered from the scene, authorities said.

Photo

The vigil on Walnut Beach. Credit Wendy Carlson for The New York Times
The suspect’s lawyer did not respond to a message seeking comment.

Instead of attending the prom, students of the junior class wearing their tuxedos and dresses, joined hundreds of others on Friday evening for a memorial on Walnut Beach in Milford. At one point, a man told the crowd to shout the two words that came to mind about Ms. Sanchez.

“Best Friend!”

“Great Smile!”

Then 20 purple balloons were released into the air.

When the group broke up, young men in black, gray and white tuxedos marched down the beach followed by young women in peach, turquoise, crimson and black dresses. They walked to the end of a long pier and clustered again, above a pewter sea.

They shouted in unison: “Maren!”

Nate Schweber reported from Milford, and Michael Schwirtz from New York. Reporting was contributed by Alison Leigh Cowan, Matthew Lloyd-Thomas, Marc Santora and Kirsten Schnackenberg, and research by Alain Delaquérière.

A version of this article appears in print on April 26, 2014, on page A1 of the New York edition with the headline: Girl Fatally Stabbed at School in Connecticut on Day of Prom. Order Reprints|Today's Paper|Subscribe



  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
213. "RE: my lord, wow."
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

and the thing is OKP isn't bizaro world.

because this vocal minority in OKP is the majority in the actual world

men upset because "it's always been like this", this first world women and their complaining wah wah wah

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:25 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
284. "Meanwhile women in Detroit get shot to death"
In response to Reply # 191


          

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/07/mary-spears-killed-detroit_n_5945518.html

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
thegodcam
Member since Oct 22nd 2004
41497 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
525. "ur not very intelligent"
In response to Reply # 191


  

          

*******************************************************
i will not let finite disappointment undermine infinite hope
- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:17 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
193. "how many of the men in here defending this are single?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
204. "i'm not"
In response to Reply # 193


  

          

but i'm barely defending this

i'd sign a street holler reformation law

but not necessarily one that would completely abolish it lol


Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
215. "yeah i dont think youre in the lane i was thinking comparatively"
In response to Reply # 204


          

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
214. "the better question is"
In response to Reply # 193


  

          

how many men defending this are in relationships with people they got by "holla'ing" in the streets.

I'd bet none. Cause theyre creepy fucks who think it's chivalrous on some fucked up level. "Women want to be appreciated for their beauty" cause their gramma told them that in her old ass rocking chair.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
223. "Literally got mine by hollering on a street corner"
In response to Reply # 214


  

          

And I'd do it again 100x

She was bad, and I took my shot

Yall would have me die dry, dusty, old and single. Fuck you and fuck that


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:37 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
226. "be real. you found her online. didnt you"
In response to Reply # 223


  

          

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
230. "50/50"
In response to Reply # 226


  

          

Kinda but kinda not

I'm under strict orders to not discuss anything associated with her, me, us or we here tho so you just gonna have to take my word for it


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:01 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
257. "cool story bro"
In response to Reply # 223


  

          

I heard the story of how you met from old girl herself and it definitely did not go down like that

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
267. "Nope! Street corner!"
In response to Reply # 257


  

          

The previous 15 minutes of convo did not do anything but prime the pump for the inevitable


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
BabySoulRebel
Charter member
19232 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:10 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
270. "if that's the story that helps you keep your point going *shrug*"
In response to Reply # 267


  

          

here for dis.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
earthseed
Member since Feb 26th 2004
26989 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
288. "and you would be correct, he's trying to fit the story to "
In response to Reply # 257


  

          

make his point.

we did not meet on a street corner
we met inside an establishment
sat next to one another
after said establishment
we all, a group of folks moved onto another spot
we as a group, loitered in front of the restaurant
and planned where we were going

did we speak more on the street, yes
but there was not a STREET holla as the video depicts.

now go runtelldat, ho.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
373. "like i said."
In response to Reply # 288


  

          


>did we speak more on the street, yes


im done.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
ShinobiShaw
Charter member
48550 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:22 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
283. "you lying like a motherfucka"
In response to Reply # 223


  

          

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
285. "bitch you wasn't even there"
In response to Reply # 283


  

          

How you gonna tell me what I did

Always in the mix wasn't nobody even talking to you

Go find a buffet or something

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
ShinobiShaw
Charter member
48550 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
353. "oh you are probably telling the truth, i just like when your blood press..."
In response to Reply # 285


  

          


http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
224. "i was in one for a while..."
In response to Reply # 214


  

          

could have been even longer if i wasn't threatened by her baby father repeatedly lol

she was probably the finest woman i had ever met too

but that nigga already had bodies...i wasn't trying become another one...that 4 months was nice as hell though...

the 3 weeks where i didn't even see/meet the baby father was incredible

i think most pursuits start out with solely or mainly sexual interest (though some don't) but i can't think of any of mine that didn't

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
277. "met my wife on tap street holla "
In response to Reply # 214


          

it was on an urban campus tho... lol.

but we did meet on the street.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
216. "im single as hell. but im not defending dudes in the video tho"
In response to Reply # 193


  

          

just trying to see why ppl dont think public hollers
can exist without being weird or scary

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
227. "no one in here, I repeat NO ONE, is defending harassment but that's not...."
In response to Reply # 193


  

          

what's on display in that youtube clip. I mean come the fuck on people!

I, for one, am single and almost NEVER holla at women on the street but in the VERY rare cases that I do it's always w/ tact and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let some eggheaded, nose-in-the-air type brawd make me out to be some gotdamn miscreant for making a comment to a member of the opposite sex that I deem worthy of an audible compliment. Fuck all the way outta here!

clutch ya pearls HARDER.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
350. "Yes...yes you are"
In response to Reply # 227


  

          

You simply want to define harassment to your convenience
Racists like to define racism to theirs
Police also get to define their abuse
Lucky yall huh?
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:39 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
451. "ponder this, brainiac..."
In response to Reply # 350
Wed Oct-29-14 08:47 AM by Somnus

  

          

it was once considered harassment for my Black ass to merely exist let alone be seen in certain spheres.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:45 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
453. "who hurt you"
In response to Reply # 451


          

you sound pressed as fck
and why i said folks in here defending harassment are likely single
id venture youll be that way for awhile w this attitude

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:52 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
456. ""pressed"? really? FUCK OFF...how's that, better? "
In response to Reply # 453


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
459. "lol"
In response to Reply # 456


          

>

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
482. "so you combat this by..."
In response to Reply # 451


  

          

>it was once considered harassment for my Black ass to merely
>exist let alone be seen in certain spheres.

saying hello to white men and women in the street?


no...no you 'combat' this by 'asserting your 'right' to be heard
only specifically to women you deem attractive
man interesting how your rights trample on others
how...convenient
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
352. "what you deem worthy does not make it any less harassing"
In response to Reply # 227


  

          

its not up to you what is considered harassment. harassment does not need intention. it just needs to make another person feel threatened or reasonably uncomfortable. your intentions are of no consequence and that is what you don't get. THIS STILL ISNT ABOUT YOU.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
458. "#451"
In response to Reply # 352


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

fwmj
Charter member
33136 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:33 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
222. "what's up with"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

not talking to people you dont know without an introduction or some OBVIOUS (keyword here) body language or eye contact that it's a go?

this comin from someone that don't holla

----------------------------------------
www.rappersiknow.com
www.twitter.com/fwmj

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
228. "RE: what's up with"
In response to Reply # 222


          

re:
>or some OBVIOUS (keyword here) body language or eye contact

because some men think that a woman doesn't REALLY know what she wants. if she's initially disinterested, he can convince her, through dogged persistence, what her "true desires and wants" are. see: romantic movies.

this goes back to my earlier point that men need to be taught, starting at a young age, to follow social cues in ALL interactions.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
229. "the 2nd part of that is mad subjective"
In response to Reply # 222


  

          

you think the guys in the video are able to figure that out like reasonable people?

i can't really dispute the first part though I tend to resist the urge to agree with it anyway

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
231. "To quote Whitney Houston: how will I know...?"
In response to Reply # 222


  

          

What she thinks or feels?

She might be looking at me...but she might be looking thru me not even seeing me

I am not a mind reader. All I know is what I want. And if I don't open my mouth and say or act like I want her, then there's a 100% chance I will never know

And so

The solution is women need to start hollering at more men

Then all this shit woukd even out


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
233. "so many "I" statements in your reply."
In response to Reply # 231


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
235. "let's think abt the alternative shall we?"
In response to Reply # 233


  

          

Rather than hmmm she's cute. Let's talk to her

I should think

She's cute. But she's probably deathly afraid of me. She may want to talk to me. But she may not. She's looking at me! But what if she's looking at someone else? Did she smile? I can't tell. Maybe she will come talk to me. I'll wait.

*crickets*

Gee...which alternative would be more successful more often then not?


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
238. "and now the "I"'s have been replaced with "me"s"
In response to Reply # 235


  

          

me me me me me me me me me meeeee


but that's Bin for ya

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
243. "So men should not consider themselves at all in the scenario."
In response to Reply # 238


  

          

It's getting clearer


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
246. "men should not just consider themselves."
In response to Reply # 243


  

          

men should actually think about what she's going through. as evidenced by videos like the one in the OP.

men should stop being defensive and actually take in what these women are putting out.

it won't hurt.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
258. "So then shouldn't women also consider the other person as well?"
In response to Reply # 246


  

          

Aha!

Gotcha

I sincerely don't care, as I don't street holla and woukd gladly beat someone to death for doing so to a loved one after she told em to beat it

But I'm just playing my part as I'm sure you can tell

does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
261. "*finger guns*"
In response to Reply # 258


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
244. "now do it from her perspective:"
In response to Reply # 235


  

          

Who is this dusty nigga? Is he finna...

Lord.

Maybe if i just say 'hey' back he'll stop.

Maybe if i just look at the ground he won't come after me.

What if i look out at the street, will he leave me alone?

If i stop and have a conversation w/him will that end it?

I mean, he's kinda cute, I guess.

I just wish he'd leave me alone.

Ugh. I just need to go cash this check; I ain't got time for no bullshit.

If I don't say something back to him he might come at me.

But if I do say something back he might come at me.

Maybe if I speak to him first he'll leave me alone.

But if I speak to him first he'll think I'm interested.

And really I just need to get home before Scandal comes on.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
251. "STOP MAKING SENSE! dey dont/ wont hear ya."
In response to Reply # 235


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:51 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
240. "i get hollared at on a semi regular basis. im 7ft. it happens"
In response to Reply # 231


  

          

these chicks screaming misogyny and whatever else
would have their minds blown
women will say ANYTHING
rarely is it respectful
and i know for a fact they dont care what i think lol
complete strangers tellin me to pull out my dick
let me climb you
i can suck yo dick standing up
these are all real

i just laugh that shit off and keep it moving

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
245. "nigga if you were a foot shorter, you would be polo."
In response to Reply # 240


  

          

You was born on third base with a head start towards home, I'm glad you recognize you're not special


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
250. "nah its in me man. if i was a foot shorter id be still gettin em"
In response to Reply # 245


  

          

real live pimpin in my blood

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
334. "^ hating ass niggas be like "
In response to Reply # 245


  

          

Lmao

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:59 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
252. "when was the last time you thought one of those women would hurt you?"
In response to Reply # 240


  

          

how many stories have you heard from fellow men who've told you about times they were afraid b/c they didn't say or do the right thing in response to an unsolicited holla?

for me, i have been accosted unsolicited too and i'm thankful that i rarely feared for my safety. one of the times i was afraid i was dressed in drag and the guy who came at me had this look in his eye i'd never seen except in the movies or in cartoons when a predator is staring down prey. i told him i was a man in drag and that only made it worse. he didn't back down. and i didn't know what was going to happen. and i wasn't sure i could take him if he jumped bad. and i didn't have a razor or knife in my purse b/c i wasn't and am not a drag queen (this was for a costume party). i got out of the situation b/c a friend appeared in the nick of time. but...damn.

have any of those women put that fear in you?

the women we're discussing in this post - they experience a fear from these hollas pretty regularly.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
264. "just once and that was a transwoman"
In response to Reply # 252


  

          

Sooo big. Caught me slipping in the gap and barked at me, I didn't know whether to shit or go blind


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:15 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
276. "great."
In response to Reply # 264


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
314. "big broad in Downtown Detroit circa 1994"
In response to Reply # 252


  

          

I was with my crew at the Big Boy's on Jefferson Ave over by Belle Isle. Big Broad Brigade walked in and sat not too far from us. One took a liking to me and decided to waddle her ass on over to me and threw on the full court press. I was polite and cordial but told her nicely that I wasn't interested. She then began talking about her money, how her and her family sell dope and she could keep me in clothes and shit and every now and then dropped shit about her guns and how her cousins and 'nem stay strapped up.

We got done and got up to leave, she grabbed my arm and was like "you ain't gonna give me the number?" after which I told her, again, that I was cool on that. She got pissed and followed me out to my boy's ride, talkin shit the whole way on some "fuck you then nigga" shit.


---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
317. "i believe that actually happened. that sounds like a real event."
In response to Reply # 314


  

          

now imagine if you dealt w/that every week. everywhere. imagine how much that'd put you on edge when you're dealing w/strangers who approach you on the street. even when they seem to have good intentions. even when they're respectful.

i wouldn't want to live like that. and i shouldn't have to - especially when there's such an easy fix for it. the ppl who engage in that conduct can and should just stop it. simple stuff. but they won't b/c they feel entitled to disturb me. that would drive me mad.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ambient1
Member since May 23rd 2007
41077 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
255. "they holla even goofier and cruddier than ya'll think"
In response to Reply # 231


  

          

Chix just as aggressive as dudes these days

Hence my reply

=======================================
Coolin...

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
242. "in some places, that's known as "socializing""
In response to Reply # 222


          

but I'm from, and in, the South, though

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
253. "im thinking this is it...cuz if you dont speak down here"
In response to Reply # 242


  

          

youre automatically a weirdo

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Deadzombie
Member since Aug 21st 2008
13358 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
265. "it's a difference between speaking to everyone, and speaking to only"
In response to Reply # 253


          

the women with 'nice bodies'.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
306. "It was called that in Michigan too."
In response to Reply # 242


  

          

>but I'm from, and in, the South, though

As well as the "blacker" parts of Phoenix where a lot of Southern transplants settled.

I think I'mma stick to what I said earlier and say that this is largely an NYC problem more than it is anything else. Sure the street holler will happen elsewhere, but not to this degree or frequency.

I dare say that even an attractive woman might get largely ignored in downtown Phoenix during any part of the day or night except Late Thursdays and Friday/ Saturday night.



---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Government Name
Member since Dec 16th 2005
23190 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 03:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
249. "its totally f*cked up and it will never ever ever stop"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

as long as men are the ones expected to be the aggressor (and i dont just mean in the street. i mean when it comes to genuine interest, hookups, etc), some (or many) are gonna take that necessity too far since they lack nuance or empathy (or common sense). also, if the success rate is anywhere near at least 1%, those same cats are gonna keep doing it. im not letting men off the hook or blaming women, but as long as the dynamics are the way they are (for a large % of the population), I don't see how this is ever going to change.

________
http://twitter.com/aehorton
http://instagram.com/aehorton

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
254. "this is kinda where im at"
In response to Reply # 249


  

          

we can police it and shame it and that might even eliminate a bit of it

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Deadzombie
Member since Aug 21st 2008
13358 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
263. "i don't think women understand how men are so affected by 'beauty'"
In response to Reply # 0


          

on the other hand. men don't understand how bothersome all the attention is.

it's a real visceral reaction for a man to be stopped dead in his tracks at the sight of a 'nice (or lose) looking lady'.

it's a about seeing someone that looks good and just needing to say SOMETHING.

not saying something is a sign that you've given up on life and all the surprises it has to offer.

personally, i don't street-holla, not because it's mean or rude, or because i have a loving mother and sister, but because my chances are simply better if i don't.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:21 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
279. "Total cosign."
In response to Reply # 263


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

lazyboi
Charter member
134473 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 04:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
274. "that dude walking side by side talking about God bless you"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          


"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
287. "I kind of wonder how alienated women that don't get this feels"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

These videos seem to be exaggerating the issue by purposefully using attractive women, but what happens when a "plain jane" or "unattractive" woman walks down the street? How do they feel when they see these attractive women getting all this attention that they never get? Wouldn't this kind of contribute more to self esteem issues?


---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 05:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
289. "Plain Janes get the same treatment."
In response to Reply # 287


  

          

I've seen other videos made with less conventionally attractive women. I've seen them made with women dressed in frumpy clothes. It made no difference. So, no...that thing you 'wonder' about ain't a thing.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
290. "tumblr activists say otherwise."
In response to Reply # 289


  

          

http://the-unpopular-opinions.tumblr.com/post/76791821745/the-opposite-end-of-traditional-street

"The Opposite end of traditional “street harassment”: the girl who never get’s cat called

In feminist spaces I see a lot of feminists complain about being street harassed. I read about it and I totally sympathize with their experiences, even though I have never experienced them myself. I am a female myself but am not conventionally attractive. I am not hideous but more or less a plain jane. On top of that I have ALWAYS valued comfort over style, so dressing feminine isn’t something I do on a regular basis. I wear a lot of loose jeans and T-shirts. But yeah, anyway, know that I am not trying to play “who has it harder” or anything but rather I am making this to share my experiences of getting the opposite end of the shit-covered stick that is street harassment that I don’t see being mentioned. I call it street dismissal.

When I say street dismissal I am talking about men who feel the need to subtly announce that unattractive women are not worthy of respect or acknowledgement because they are not a conventionally attractive female or their fellow man. "


---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:06 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
292. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 290
Tue Oct-28-14 06:23 PM by SoWhat

  

          

i'd engage in this w/you if i thought you were actually concerned about the topic at hand and weren't merely seeking to derail the conversation. but i'm pretty convinced that's your angle and so i'm not engaging in this w/you.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
297. "really nigga???"
In response to Reply # 292


  

          

>It's my fault for actually getting invested in the topic
>while talking to assholes like you who are more interested in
>derailing the conversation. My bad.

I wasn't derailing anything. But, like anything else in this world there's more than one perspective to take into account.

Sure, to the attractive woman and even, to a lesser degree, the plain jane the street holler is an annoying part of life.

But...

There also exists the woman that NEVER get's hollered at on the street, never gets cat calls, that wishes that she might get a compliment from a random man as these "better looking" women get. Does anyone ever consider these women?

No.

Likewise there are women out there that absolutely thrive on the attention they get all day long and would find it odd if a day went by where someone didn't compliment her or try to holler. Does anyone ever consider those women?

No.

As fare as people like you are concerned, they don't exist. They're figments of our collective imaginations. Only women that get harassed daily for hours on end exist and for them, we must end the street holler.


---------------------------

forcing myself to actually respond to you is like bathing in ebola virus. - Binlahab

Like there is stupid, and then there is you, and then there is dead. - VAsBestBBW

R.I.P. Disco D

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:30 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
301. "good luck w/this, player."
In response to Reply # 297


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
304. "why the cop-out tho? huuuh. me thinks he's introduced an interesting"
In response to Reply # 301
Tue Oct-28-14 06:44 PM by Somnus

  

          

perspective that you've conveniently dismissed on the sus grounds of him having an ulterior motive. Why you assuming shit?

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:46 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
307. "b/c this is not my first day on the Internet."
In response to Reply # 304


  

          

nor is this the first time i've read one of his posts. so i have an idea where this is going.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
310. "fair enough, but I've seen you go hard in the paint on likewise 'bait'--"
In response to Reply # 307
Tue Oct-28-14 06:55 PM by Somnus

  

          

w/o reservation. why the pause all of sudden? Could it be this new perspective presents somewhat of a conundrum to your initial stance on the issue?

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
311. "oh, not at all."
In response to Reply # 310


  

          

it's a completely collateral issue that has no bearing on the topic at hand which is how i know it's only presented to derail the conversation. again, i'm not brand new. i also know that the issue isn't being presented out of any genuine concern for the women who are subjected to 'street dismissal' - it's only being brought up in an attempt to discredit/dismiss the effort to curb street harassment. it's pretty plain to me based on context. plus i don't like you or that guy PoppaGeorge. put all together and it adds up to me not discussing this w/him. or you.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
315. "riiiiiight (c) Raekwon...I bid you adieu, sir."
In response to Reply # 311


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:09 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
319. "exactly. "
In response to Reply # 315


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
316. "nah. it makes a difference. but thats not the point!!! lol"
In response to Reply # 289


          

i notice i get hollered at less when my hair is covered.

if i put on my frumpy disguise, i get less hollers.

i mean, i still get messed with, but nowhere to the degree that i would if i was dressed like the woman in the video.

but the point is that i should be able to wear whatever and dress however the fuck i want to.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:08 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
318. "you say that and other women say otherwise."
In response to Reply # 316


  

          

and i've seen video that proves otherwise.

but that's not the point and so i'm not going there in this discussion.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
329. "hey. im just speaking from my personal experience."
In response to Reply # 318


          

whatever that is worth.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
336. "i believe that's true."
In response to Reply # 329


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
294. "Mostly black guys too"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Surprise surprise.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Koi
Member since Nov 12th 2007
1562 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:37 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
303. "im here reading this post *stunned*"
In response to Reply # 294
Tue Oct-28-14 06:39 PM by Koi

  

          

>Surprise surprise.

but i shouldn't be.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
308. "it's not a black issue."
In response to Reply # 294


  

          

it's pretty well spread across all races.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
323. "i dont agree."
In response to Reply # 308


          

i think its way more embedded into black culture than it is other cultures.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
324. "i'm sure you don't. thankfully there are ppl who see the issue."
In response to Reply # 323


  

          

and you should read more about it:

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/our-work/meetusonthestreet/

http://www.meetusonthestreet.org/

http://www.ihollaback.org/blog/2014/04/04/week-in-our-shoes-international-anti-street-harassment-week-edition/

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
333. "lol FOH dude"
In response to Reply # 324
Tue Oct-28-14 07:42 PM by NikaMandela

          

i mean, i agree with a lot of what youre saying in this post. i really do. but some things get lost in politicizing the issue.

you dont have to tell me shit about how it really is. i dont need you to show me the issue. this is my reality every time i walk out the house.

you trying to educate me on this is like me trying to educate you on what its like to be a gay man walking the streets. sometimes you gotta just sit back and listen.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:46 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
338. "there is an international effort to address street harassment."
In response to Reply # 333
Tue Oct-28-14 07:48 PM by SoWhat

  

          

it's going on outside the USA among non-blacks and blacks alike. so though you think this is mostly a black thing based on your limited experience, it's not a black thing. it's a ppl thing, generally. and i posted links to sites that will point you to stories from women who have experienced this harassment outside a black context to prove that point.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
345. "it is an international problem (duh--because men are men)"
In response to Reply # 338


          

im just saying its more prevalent in black areas. its more embedded into black culture.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
346. "why do you think so?"
In response to Reply # 345
Tue Oct-28-14 07:54 PM by SoWhat

  

          

--

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
359. "these are generalizations..."
In response to Reply # 346
Tue Oct-28-14 08:29 PM by NikaMandela

          

but i think black ppl are more community-oriented. maybe you could say more social.

i think black men are more hyper masculine and feel the need to assert their masculinity with this type of behavior.

i think the relationship dynamics between black men and black women are so poor that it kinda breeds this type of behavior. the way women are portrayed and talked about in rap/hip-hop influences how men treat women in public.

also, i have a fair amount of nonblack friends and ive never heard them complain about this to the extent that my black friends have. and i myself have rarely dealt with street harassment when walking through a white neighborhood.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
385. "okay."
In response to Reply # 359


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
441. "you ever been outside of the US for an extended period of time?"
In response to Reply # 359


          

you ever hang out in a non-black, working class community for an extended period of time?

Black men are, in general, the boogiemen of the world, but a lot of that is str8 game.

I ain't telling you your experience, but I'm telling you your experience ain't ALL experience

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:39 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
440. "tails. Niggers have tails."
In response to Reply # 346


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
326. "I still think that black men are the most aggressive with their pursuit"
In response to Reply # 308


  

          

In general.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:29 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
327. "how long did it take you to form that thought?"
In response to Reply # 326


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
328. "What's the point of this?"
In response to Reply # 327


  

          

What's the point of even engaging in this conversation if youre not serious, or seeking a genuine response? Bored? What?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:42 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
335. "now that i think about it, i don't care."
In response to Reply # 328
Tue Oct-28-14 07:47 PM by SoWhat

  

          

my plan was to rib you for thinking that Black men are more aggressive w/the street holla.

you're wrong about that but you won't see it until you're older, i think. it's cool.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
339. "off topic"
In response to Reply # 335


  

          

you're in the legal sector, correct? can i msg you an education question? doesn't look like i can inbox you.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
342. "the inbox is closed. OKP fuckery happens in inboxes."
In response to Reply # 339


  

          

but i can open it up.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
343. "no pressure. "
In response to Reply # 342


  

          

thanks if you do.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
340. "k. Good luck with that chip on your shoulder."
In response to Reply # 335


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:47 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
341. "thanks."
In response to Reply # 340


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 06:40 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
433. "Dude, you're mansplaining right now, lol."
In response to Reply # 335


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:26 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
439. "ikr?"
In response to Reply # 433
Wed Oct-29-14 07:28 AM by SoWhat

  

          

lol

my point was that this is a bigger problem than her and her experience. it's a worldwide problem. it's not mainly a black man thing it's a universal man thing. it may seem to her that it's mostly about black men b/c in her experience black men are the main ones doing the harassing. but her experience is limited. and i posted links to stories and efforts from advocates worldwide to show that this is not just or mainly a black man problem.

plus i don't see how focusing on black men will do much to address the issue since so many other men engage in the unwanted behavior. i don't know that there are specific interventions that should be tailored to black men that will help us solve this problem. it seems to be a man thing, generally. so even if we get all black men on board w/ending street harassment, it'll still be a HUGE problem b/c so many non-black men engage in the behavior.

plus i'm a black man and i felt defensive. sure. lol.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
331. "lmao"
In response to Reply # 327


  

          

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
348. "i am curious about how it would be for her in a whiter area"
In response to Reply # 326


          

would white dudes in williamsburg be acting like that?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
no_i_cant_dance
Member since Apr 10th 2006
5577 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:48 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
454. " That's why the ad is hollow b/c the primary victims/targets of sh by Bl..."
In response to Reply # 348


  

          

and other men of color are (trams & cis) Black/WOC. That does not excuse the behavior of the men in the video but it'd be nice if people who made the video showed her walking thru the financial district or predominately white hoods. Like this ad is definitely playing into racist & sexist tropes. Still, race & class are things that affect street harassment & that makes people uncomfortable lol, so it's universalized as a thing men do w/out acknowledging that different races/classes experience gender differently & street harass women differently.

<<Mood...Poppy Okotcha in Look 1 at Ashish Fall 2016
________________________________________

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa7KBq0q5bU

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
napturalmystic
Member since Feb 15th 2006
6542 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:00 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
665. "Travel "
In response to Reply # 326


  

          

--------------------------

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 06:36 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
432. "No it's not. It's disproportionately black (majority?)"
In response to Reply # 308


  

          

Disproportionately poor and working class (majority?).

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Euameio
Charter member
636 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:59 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
500. "I agree"
In response to Reply # 308


  

          

My white girlfriends back in LA got street hollered just as much by white, middle class men-
The unwanted attention is still present in their community

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
295. "I wanna be dismissive of the issue but it would be too Bill O'Reily-ish..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

To tell a group that an issue that totally doesn't affect me and affects them exclusively, isn't a big deal.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Peabody
Member since Jan 18th 2011
10296 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 06:45 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
305. "its weird. on the one hand i find it extremely flattering"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

on the other it makes me intensely paranoid to the point that I cant sleep because I feel like im being stalked.

this issue isn't street hollering or men just admiring women or whatever, the issue is that there is no regard for the woman as a human being who has feelings and a life, like theres no respect. like have you ever been walking through a crowd or standing on a bus or something and just been felt up. like you don't know who it is but someone just thought it was okay to just touch you as if you were a tree or something. this idea is so permeated in our culture that street hollering is just the tip of the iceburg, its not even the iceberg its just the cold ass water. I was watching movie last night and it was about jack the ripper and it was so weird seeing the origin of all this pimp hoe shit in *gasp* british culture. whores being seen as the lowest of the low and sliced up, opened up, totally just mutilated, for our ENTERTAINMENT as movie goers. like, we are entertained and titillated by women as just pure objects and we see something evil and wrong with their sexuality and we project that in all kinds of fucked up ways. women even do this to themselves its not a men versus women thing, its just internalized on a deep level. I could go on forever about this subject but its a sore spot for me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Shelly
Charter member
15886 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
321. "There's a lot if thirsty, creepy dudes"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Why his he following her ??? Am I ugly. And she doesn't even have on make up and heels. Just jeans and sneakers!!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
322. "Shout out to Gradiant Lair for this"
In response to Reply # 0


          

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BsC6AnxCIAAWB32.jpg

I have won 7 times in this post


SMH

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:17 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
325. "*chokes on water*"
In response to Reply # 322


  

          

WOW

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
351. "Welp"
In response to Reply # 322


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
380. "*right clicks saves*"
In response to Reply # 322


  

          

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:38 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
486. "nearly all of these boxes are covered in this post."
In response to Reply # 322


  

          

WOW

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
332. "As a man who doesn't street holler or live in NY, WTF dyw us to do?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Most of the dudes in these vids are severely uneducated, and if they are educated, they are unattractive to y'all

Im sorry but in Chicago I rarely see shit like this,

*waits for sowhat's obligatory counterpoint*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:44 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
337. "in all honesty, what do you know about their education"
In response to Reply # 332


  

          

stupidity has no prerequisites. ive seen the smartest book smart people in the world borderline date rape girls at university parties.

to assume these guys in the vid are uneducated is more racist than anything.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:11 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
354. "the first thing you can do is get out of your feelings."
In response to Reply # 332


  

          

you can stop being defensive. stop feeling convicted. stop making this about you. b/c it's not.

the second thing you can do is speak up if you witness your peers behaving like this. or challenge them when they trade stories about this behavior.

obviously since you don't engage in this behavior you don't have to stop doing it yourself b/c you don't already.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
590. "*insert sowhat bland response here*"
In response to Reply # 354


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:35 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
449. "youre a man, why wld you see it?"
In response to Reply # 332


          

>Most of the dudes in these vids are severely uneducated, and
>if they are educated, they are unattractive to y'all
>
>Im sorry but in Chicago I rarely see shit like this,

i live in chicago and it happens all the time

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
592. "I believe you, but can you give some specific area's where it's pronounc..."
In response to Reply # 449


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

blkprinceMD05
Member since Nov 29th 2004
41323 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
344. "good gracious just watched, that's horrible. I'm treating all the women ..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

My unit to a fruit tray or something tomorrow and to think this has been going on for decades

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
legsdiamond
Member since May 05th 2011
79559 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:31 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
615. "lol @ a fruit tray"
In response to Reply # 344


          

and double LOL @ acting like you just found out women get holla'd at on the street of NYC

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 07:55 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
347. "Ladies when you get older and the street hollers decrease"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

you gon be happy?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Peabody
Member since Jan 18th 2011
10296 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
355. "are men really this oblivious? like i'm not even mad anymore"
In response to Reply # 347


  

          

its like you guys actually live in a completely different world. most of you have never been raped, molested, or abused because of your gender. most of you have never had the world view ingrained that you were inferior and weaker and needed protection by and from a man. like you literally just have no idea what the problem is.

how do we bridge this gap? like its just basic common sense. being harassed is SCARY. like its not just annoying, its like there's a threat of physical violence that is very very real in the world that we live in. like...you don't need to be a feminist to understand that women should be treated as HUMANS. like, not as trees or plants or garden shrubs. like all living beings should be treated with respect but can we start with the opposite gender? with people whose skin color is different? with our own skins? like ultimately i'm just fighting with my own reflection *shakes head*

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
360. "they really really really think its complimentary"
In response to Reply # 355


  

          

until of course its they mama, sister, cousin wife, GF, daughter


then oh THEN its not longer complimentary
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:02 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
368. "I don't like when it happens to these teen girls I know"
In response to Reply # 360


  

          

>until of course its they mama, sister, cousin wife, GF,
>daughter
>
>
>then oh THEN its not longer complimentary
>~~~~
>When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so
>that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
>~~~~
>You cannot hate people for their own good.


Like grown men hollering at teen girls. I don't like that.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
MME
Charter member
11940 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
379. "They also think we should grateful to receive it"
In response to Reply # 360


  

          

because after all, one day we won't be attractive anymore and we'll be WANTING that male attention.

smh

____________________________

FUCK DONALD TRUMP

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
382. "Sorry for asking a question"
In response to Reply # 379


  

          

>because after all, one day we won't be attractive anymore and
>we'll be WANTING that male attention.
>
>smh

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Peabody
Member since Jan 18th 2011
10296 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
387. "i mean...from our perspective its insulting"
In response to Reply # 382


  

          

like we are not our vaginas, we have brains

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:09 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
409. "Nah you aren't "
In response to Reply # 382


  

          

You're just sorry it's not getting type of attention nor seriousness you deemed it worth
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
363. "YES!"
In response to Reply # 347


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:49 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
455. "I can address this as well"
In response to Reply # 347


          

Not sure what you mean by older but here are some samples:


"Damn ma I like older women holla at me"

"I know you married but yo husband probably aint doin it for you no more right"

"Oooh I bet you hitting yo sexual peak right now"

"I heard older women are freakier"

You were sayin. . .
*****************************************
http://prettyperiod.me/

http://youtu.be/u8bIK3bWgog<;--HAHA

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Damali
Member since Sep 12th 2002
35863 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:49 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
625. "my answer as a 43 year old: hell yes. i love that it doesn't happen as m..."
In response to Reply # 347


          

can't wait for it to stop completely. i don't need it...i don't need some random guy to tell me i'm hot/pretty/sexy/beautiful in order to feel like i'm any of those things. and on the flip side, anyone feeling a pressing need to tell me how ugly i am (i see you Angelo) is also wasting their breath...

thanks but me and my self esteem are good.

d

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:16 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
356. "NATIONAL STUDY on street harassment. OUTSIDE NYC."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/2014-National-SSH-Street-Harassment-Report.pdf

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
357. "whoa whoa whoa. let's not pretend"
In response to Reply # 356


  

          

that the people that really need to be reading this in this thread aren't all about to sigh and "tl;dr" this piece.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
364. "let me highlight for them"
In response to Reply # 357


  

          




It prevents equality.
No country has achieved gender equality, nor have they reached equality for members of the LGBTIQA
community. Street harassment is a symptom of that inequality, and it keeps harassed persons from fully
participating and thriving in the world. If we want to see equality for every person, we must work to end
street harassment.

Why a national study?
To stop street harassment, we first must change the all-too-common social attitude that it’s not a big deal
or that it’s simply a compliment. Changing social attitudes takes time, and data can help. While there have
been other studies conducted in the United States (see Appendix C), this is the first comprehensive
national study to look at the experiences of both women and men and the intersection of race, sexual
orientation, and income. It also has the largest sample size to date

Key Findings.*1
1. Street harassment is a significant problem in the United States.
Sixty-five percent of women reported experiencing at least one type of street harassment in their
lifetimes. More than half (57%) of all women had experienced verbal harassment, and 41% of all
women had experienced physically aggressive forms, including sexual touching (23%), following
(20%), flashing (14%), and being forced to do something sexual (9%). For men, 25% experienced
street harassment, too, including 18% who experienced verbal harassment and 16% who
experienced physically aggressive forms. More men who identified as LGBT experienced
harassment than men who identified as heterosexual.
In many ways, persons of color, lower-income people, and persons who identify as lesbian, gay,
bisexual, or transgender were disproportionately affected by street harassment overall, as
detailed in the main body of the report.

2. Street harassment happens multiple times to most people.
Eighty-six percent of women and 79% of men who reported being harassed said they had been
harassed more than once. Women were more likely than men to say it happened sometimes,
often, or daily.

3. Street harassment begins at a young age.
Around 50% of harassed women and men experienced street harassment by age 17.

4. Most harassed people were at least somewhat concerned that the incident would
escalate.
Two-thirds of the harassed women (68%) and half of the harassed men (49%) said they were
very or somewhat concerned that the incident would escalate into something worse. Nearly twice
as many women (25%) as men (13%) said they were very concerned.

5. Most harassed persons change their lives in some way as a result of the
experience.
The most common change was for harassed people to constantly assess their surroundings as a
result of harassment (47% of women and 32% of men). Going places in a group or with another
person instead of alone was another common response for women (31%). On the more extreme
end, 4% of all harassed persons said they made a big life decision like quitting a job or moving
neighborhoods because of harassers.

6. Street harassment doesn’t just happen on the streets.
Streets and sidewalks are the public spaces where street harassment most commonly occurs
(67% of women and 43% of men reported harassment there), but harassment also happened in
public spaces such as stores, restaurants, movie theaters, and malls (26% of women and 28% of
men). It also happened on public transportation (20% of women and 16% of men).

7. Men are overwhelmingly the harassers of both women and men.
Being harassed by one man was cited as the most common experience by both women (70%)
and men (48%). It was also common to be harassed by two or more men (38% of women and
25% of men). Twenty percent of men said their harasser was a lone woman.

8. When experiencing or witnessing harassment, half of the respondents had a
proactive response at least once.
Around half (53%) of all survey respondents said that at least once they had done something
proactive about harassment they experienced or witnessed. The most common response was to
tell a harasser to stop or back off (31% of women and 25% of men).

9. Most people believe there are actions we can take to stop street harassment.
Among all respondents, 91% believed there are ways to stop street harassment. Most
recommended more security cameras and increased police presence in communities (55%) or
educational workshops in schools and communities about respectful ways to interact with
strangers and information about street harassment (53%) as ways to curb street harassment.
More training of law enforcement and transit workers, community safety audits, and awareness
campaigns were also suggested.
Street harassment affects millions of people, especially women, in significant ways. This report is a call to
action for everyone, including educators, businesses, community leaders, national leaders, activist
groups, journalists, and individuals, to do something about it. Together, we can work to end street
harassment.

*1 The percentages in numbers two through seven represent the share of individuals who reported having
experienced some street harassment. As such, the percentages for men and women may be similar but a
larger number of women are affected because more women than men experience street harassment.
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
dgonsh
Member since Aug 14th 2002
10693 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
370. "Yeah, im reading it now"
In response to Reply # 364


  

          

Nothing has surprised me about the study. But I hope that people at least read your summation. This study just solidified most of what we've been talking about in this post.

1. its not just black people.
2. its not just women being harassed.
3. It IS harassment.
4. It IS scary, more so for women, but for the harassed all the same.
5. it's not just in NYC/LA/Chi/etc. It's everywhere.
6. It is not sexy or wanted.

********************************************************************




"I *always* quote myself. I'm the only reliable source on *most* subjects" - OKP's First Lady of Knowledge, Janey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
NikaMandela
Charter member
35230 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
362. "thank you for this swipe."
In response to Reply # 356


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
365. "fantastic link"
In response to Reply # 356


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
361. "******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://stoptellingwomentosmile.com/

About
Stop Telling Women to Smile is an art series by Tatyana Fazlalizadeh. The work attempts to address gender based street harassment by placing drawn portraits of women, composed with captions that speak directly to offenders, outside in public spaces.

Tatyana Falalizadeh is an illustrator/painter based in Brooklyn, mostly known for her oil paintings. Having recently branched out into public art as a muralist, STWTS was born out of the idea that street art can be an impactful tool for tackling street harassment.

STWTS started in Brooklyn in the fall of 2012. It is an on-going, travelling series and will gradually include many cities and many women participants.

Street harassment is a serious issue that affects women world wide. This project takes women’s voices, and faces, and puts them in the street - creating a bold presence for women in an environment where they are so often made to feel uncomfortable and unsafe.

http://stoptellingwomentosmile.bigcartel.com/


most awesome person ever for this project
=)
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Peabody
Member since Jan 18th 2011
10296 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:35 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
393. "RE: ******SUPPORT STOP TELLING WOMEN TO SMILE*****"
In response to Reply # 361


  

          

nnm

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
3062 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:56 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
366. "This has been happening to me since I was 11"
In response to Reply # 0


          

I remember walking to catch the train to middle school and this grown man following me in his car trying to talk to me. I finally screamed, "I'm only 11," and he drove away. I was so afraid. I've had similar incidents over the years and it's still scary. Even wearing hijab doesn't help. It just shifts from the overtly sexual to the pseudo-conscious hollas. Sickening!

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
371. "When I was teaching I saw dudes holla at my students...who were in 7th g..."
In response to Reply # 366


  

          

This was also right near the school. Like 1 block over.

Mixed Puerto Rican and Dominican neighborhood. Shit did just seem like people were completely used to it.

By the way I don't mean I saw it up close in person. I mean like I'd be driving home and see it. I did talk to my female students about that stuff, tried to set them straight, but gender and Latino culture isn't a war I think I'm equipped to fight by myself.


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 05:37 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
428. "I didnt even mention this LBVS"
In response to Reply # 366


          

" Even wearing hijab doesn't help. It just shifts from the overtly sexual to the pseudo-conscious hollas.

Hey sis can we build
Peace Queen you like poetry
Hotep Goddess you re radiant blah blah blah

Then you got some ignorant mfs

Girl what you got under them curtains?
You gon' let me unwrap you....WTF






*****************************************
http://prettyperiod.me/

http://youtu.be/u8bIK3bWgog<;--HAHA

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
afrogirl_lost
Member since May 22nd 2012
3062 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
480. "Ughh exactly..."
In response to Reply # 428


          

"You got knowledge of self sis?"
" Can I talk to your Wali?"
" You gotta pretty face. Can I see the rest?"

I can have all my damn kids with me and they still find something to say.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:36 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
450. "^ even hijab doesn't stop it."
In response to Reply # 366


  

          

damn!

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:48 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
624. "why would it. it obviously is worn by Muslim women on purpose "
In response to Reply # 450


  

          

to stimulate the male mind to wonder "WHAT"S UNDER THAT HIJAB. is she a secret freak!" I must know, therefore I must hollar

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 08:58 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
367. "I see...."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Well, I'm sorry that this happens.

I don't do this.

If my friends do it and I notice I'll say something.

I don't understand what it feels like to go through this, though I have had women shout objectifying phrases at me before.

I suppose my perspective on this isn't all that important.

Violence against women is an important issue, and the extent to which this feeds into that issue is is important.

I'm still conflicted though, because in this instance men are the bad guys, but this behavior doesn't pop out of nowhere. I wonder if we are all willing to look into the numerous social influences that go into the male psyche.

I know, I know, this isn't about us...but it kind of is.



"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:51 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
442. "No, we are not. Not at all. Too much work required"
In response to Reply # 367


          

>wonder if we are all willing to look into the numerous social
>influences that go into the male psyche.
>
>I know, I know, this isn't about us...but it kind of is.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22151 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:06 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
369. "i applaud sowhat. solidarity like a motherfucker."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

*props

***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
372. "Nah, it's a lowkey plot to eradicate 'breeders'. You niggas is blind."
In response to Reply # 369


  

          


"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
384. "YES!!!! lol"
In response to Reply # 372


  

          

this made me laugh hard

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 05:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
425. "Now that you mention it. I've been having a lot of gay sex lately."
In response to Reply # 372


  

          

Every time I pass by a good looking woman on the street without saying "hello beautiful", I somehow end up with a dick in my mouth. SO WEIRD.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:51 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
627. "LOFL"
In response to Reply # 425


  

          

.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:05 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
444. "he is awfully pressed though"
In response to Reply # 372


  

          

yesterday he tried and failed at spinning my thoughts into being in favor of street harassment, just bc Im a heterosexual man who didnt stand in complete agreement with his fear mongering Chicken Little syndrome

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Ted Gee Seal
Member since Apr 18th 2007
10091 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
374. "Empathy lost."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

>damn NY
>
>http://youtu.be/b1XGPvbWn0A

Just IMO though.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 09:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
375. "empathy requires you to imagine that other ppl aren't you. "
In response to Reply # 374


  

          

i know it's hard, since you are with you all the time,
and you are only around other people sometimes.

but if one stops to think about it,
one can usually pull out some experience to be able to relate to others.
so we can understand things that are not within our direct experience.

i mean,
damn.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
rambunctious
Charter member
13496 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
377. "!!!!! where you been?!"
In response to Reply # 374


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:07 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
376. "MEN ARE BETTER THAN WOMEN"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://supertaysonbros.tumblr.com/post/101185931636/alackof-color-asharomi-kissing-whiskey

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 10:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
383. "How are you is street harassment?! Wait, WAT????"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I get that some men go overboard in their attempts to holla and it can come across as creepy. However, most men are trying to holla and walk away after being turned down. For the record, I cringed at all the dudes following her and that was a bad look.

This happens in more places than Manhattan to be honest. If asking someone how they are doing is street harassment then the world is fucked up. Let's not turn everyone who says hi into a monster. Is it harassment if the woman wants to speak to the man/woman and finds them attractive?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:05 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
386. "The redline some are drawing makes them seem downright asocial"
In response to Reply # 383
Tue Oct-28-14 11:07 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

Maybe it's cultural. Big city vs small city. North vs South.

Everybody in the video was wrong to some degree in that video. Some a lot more than others. To just shout at woman passing quickly by (compliment or not) is just rude and weird.

But then you got folks in here basically saying do not talk to women you don't know. Nope! My southern sensibilities will not let that happen.

I'm holding doors open saying "Hi, how are you?" to women left and right. Flash a nice smile if a cutie catches my eye. And if I catch the right social cue and I'm feeling confident, I may try to strike up a conversation with said cutie.

Now that may not fly in the hustle and bustle of NYC, Chicago, and the like. But down in Texas (especially small town Texas), you're a weirdo if you keep to yourself like some are saying.

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
388. "have to love how"
In response to Reply # 386


  

          


>women you don't know. Nope! My southern sensibilities will not
>let that happen.

you're using your "southern sensibilities" as an excuse to talk with your dick


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:23 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
390. "Why do you have to go to such a crass extreme?"
In response to Reply # 388


          

Like there's no middle ground.

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:42 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
396. "hilarious"
In response to Reply # 390


  

          

>Like there's no middle ground.

You see that video but I'm being extreme.
Amazing
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
399. "Maybe you didn't read my post..."
In response to Reply # 396


          

<
Everybody in the video was wrong to some degree in that video. Some a lot more than others. To just shout at woman passing quickly by (compliment or not) is just rude and weird.
<

My beef (maybe not with you) are those pretty much writing off all male-female stranger contact in public. Those who are classifying what I would consider normal behavior as harassment

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
402. "Yeah you're a clown"
In response to Reply # 399


  

          

I'll type slowly

Women in public are not there for your gratification, conversation any thing to do with you.

If you are feeling kindly
Kindly take your kind ass to the nearest get hospital, senior citizens center, homeless shelter etc etc and satisfy you lonely need for companionship and desperate please for attention from random women you deem worthy of your attention on the street

~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:58 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
405. "Nah I'm good. I'm going to keep talking to strangers"
In response to Reply # 402


          

Thanks for the advice though

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:03 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
407. "Youre not though"
In response to Reply # 405


  

          

That's why you're in here attempting to seek validation for your sad lonely ass who has no recourse and tiny social circle other than to harass women on the street.

Who's really antisocial when your social circle is so damn small that is your recourse.
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:07 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
408. "lol"
In response to Reply # 407


          

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:12 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
410. "See? You're not okay."
In response to Reply # 408


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:21 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
569. "yeaaaa u on that psycho shit"
In response to Reply # 407


  

          

nobody is even taking it there but you
i see this issue really brings out the ugly in people
that bitch ass pussy RS or whoever goin at my folk
you callin ppl sad and lonely and weird for speaking to people
this shit is all over the damn place

god bless man

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
645. "Not sure why people are suprised"
In response to Reply # 569


  

          

She projects like she's lingo, but with 10% of the comedy attached, its just dry rhetoric about how your experience, even if directly contradictory, doesn't matter.

Yet she will use the same excuse. if you try to argue her down logically.

Welcome to the lfresh neverending meat grinder.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:16 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
389. "you are trying to fuck"
In response to Reply # 383


  

          

you are not being polite
you are not trying to be friends
you are not being social

stop lying to yourself and others
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:28 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
391. "Again, so extreme. Is it hard to believe men aren't all sex craved lunat..."
In response to Reply # 389
Tue Oct-28-14 11:37 PM by PimpTrickGangstaClik

          

I'm only taking a position on this because of my own experiences.

One for example. Saw a pretty girl waiting at the bus stop on campus. Instead of being a weirdo loner, I talked to her rather than sitting by my lonesome. My opening line: "Hi, how are you?". Pretty non-threatening in my eyes. Others in this post will vehemently dispute that.

My initial thoughts were not, Hey...let me try to fuck this chick right quick. It was more like, I want to see what this woman is about and see if there is mutual interest. Some would call that courtship

We ended up going on a date a week later and dated for about 8 months.



_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
392. "^^^ Yeah this. Some women need to admit to their own fears/paranoia"
In response to Reply # 391


  

          

>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:43 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
397. "Police officers just want to protect and serve"
In response to Reply # 392


  

          

Don't be paranoid nor extreme the next time you're stopped
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Hitokiri
Charter member
22103 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:59 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
587. "So then why did you specify "a pretty girl""
In response to Reply # 391


  

          

Because the ugly girl isn't worth your time.
aka it's about sex. Maybe not overtly, but it is.

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
413. "I resent that statement"
In response to Reply # 389


  

          

>RE: you are trying to fuck
>you are not being polite
>you are not trying to be friends
>you are not being social
>
>stop lying to yourself and others

... WAT? Where y'all live where every man that says hi to you is sexual deviant out to hurt you?
......

You got all of that from someone saying Hi. Saying hi, how are you does not mean someone is trying to fuck. It's called being social and polite. You've got a point as far as men following you or doing anything else.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
416. "if you are saying hello to each and every person you see"
In response to Reply # 413


  

          

On the street
Sure

And I mean ALL

You are you single out women specifically women that you are attracted to for...
To play patty cake?

Foh

Say hi to only men all men you see for an entire day
Video it and get back to us with the utter and complete bullshit you are trying to pull

No sexual deviany btw
This predatory crap is normal for you pathetic dudes

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:32 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
418. "Saying hi to people is common everywhere."
In response to Reply # 416


  

          

>On the street
>Sure
>
>And I mean ALL
>
>You are you single out women specifically women that you are
>attracted to for...
>To play patty cake?
>
>Foh
>
>Say hi to only men all men you see for an entire day
>Video it and get back to us with the utter and complete
>bullshit you are trying to pull
>
>No sexual deviany btw
>This predatory crap is normal for you pathetic dudes

Did you read my post? I'm talking specifically about saying hi and or how are you. Itms hilarious you think EVERY MALE THAT SAYS HELLO is pathetic. I'm not talking about hollaing but saying hi then KIM. I ain't preying on no one so kill that noise.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
437. "So you won't say hi specifically to men for a day"
In response to Reply # 418


  

          

And wear a video cam?

It's sooooo common though
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:26 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
520. "I'm sorry that you deal with savages"
In response to Reply # 437


  

          

>And wear a video cam?
>
>It's sooooo common though

I say hi to everyone I meet during the day. I'm black so wearing video camera results in unwanted attention from the law on my part. Your responses indicate that your environment conditions you to think that every man that says hi, how are you, and good evening is some monster that preys on women or is out to hurt you. In your environment that might be true, who knows? The rest of us were raised with common decency and act like men.

We're not trying to fuck
We are being polite because those are the values instilled in us.

It's ridiculous for you to jump to this conclusion that I'm a monster because I say hi to people. You haven't even met me. When I say hi to a woman or say good evening, I'm not looking for anything. Not looking for anything means I don't want to know your name or any form of acknowledgement in any capacity.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:46 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
536. "no you're not"
In response to Reply # 520


  

          


>I say hi to everyone I meet during the day. I'm black so
>wearing video camera results in unwanted attention from the
>law on my part.


why are you assuming?
its not all officers?
i'm sure you will be fine with just a little attention from officers
they just want to make you you are okay
they arent monsters you know


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
570. "How would you know?"
In response to Reply # 536


  

          

>
>>I say hi to everyone I meet during the day.

Once again, you've never met or spoken to me so how would you know whether or not this is true? I feel sorry for the harsh experiences you've had with men saying hi, how are you, or good evening that could care less about any attention whatsoever from you. All of us aren't the monsters you think we are.

>
>I'm black so
>>wearing video camera results in unwanted attention from the
>>law on my part.
>why are you assuming?
>its not all officers?
>i'm sure you will be fine with just a little attention from
>officers
>they just want to make you you are okay
>they arent monsters you know

When I police officer says hello and how are you then I keep it moving don't take them as monsters. However, a police officer stopping me in order to ascertain my motives and gain my attention is another story just like the majority of that video. However, a police officer merely saying hi, how are you, and good evening without any intention to gain my attention is not harassment by itself.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
597. "she doesn't, its called projecting...."
In response to Reply # 570


  

          



Not that she doesn't have a right to be afraid, but she's definitely projecting on your stated scenario.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:41 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
395. "rabbits and ducks and large game get a break from being hunted."
In response to Reply # 0
Tue Oct-28-14 11:47 PM by SoWhat

  

          

there are limited seasons and locations where ppl are allowed to hunt wild animals.

if women are to be hunted by men...to preserve the species...then can't we (you ppl) decide on terms of the engagement? can't y'all agree to limit the times and places where you'll hunt or be hunted?

we have context for this. remember:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ocaZb-bGg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMXYrQBwNK0

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
398. "Must you be extreme?"
In response to Reply # 395


  

          

Let's not be crass about courtship and southern niceties
Men need open acess at all times and all places for simply conversation
Something they can get from other men
Only women they are attracted to and attempting to exchange pleasantries with
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
PimpTrickGangstaClik
Member since Oct 06th 2005
15894 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:50 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
400. "lol"
In response to Reply # 398


          

_______________________________________

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:51 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
401. "don't block your blessings, lfresh."
In response to Reply # 398


  

          

that might be your husband demanding that you stop and let him tell you how good you look in them jeans, girl.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Tue Oct-28-14 11:55 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
403. "Heaven forfend and bless you"
In response to Reply # 401


  

          

>that might be your husband demanding that you stop and let
>him tell you how good you look in them jeans, girl.
>

For assuming a clearly anti social ugly woman does not get nearly enough make attention and these clearly selfless attempts at polite conversation would ruin my only chances at companionship
~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
406. "lmao."
In response to Reply # 401


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 06:02 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
430. "the men too poor, uneducated, and unsocializable"
In response to Reply # 395


  

          

aren't going to adhere

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
411. "how about just don't do it to avoid making somebody's day worse?"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

it really can be that simple.
let's put aside the argument as to whether
a woman *should* feel a sense of paranoia
that comes from knowing that men can and sometimes do
react violently when they don't get the attention they want.

have not enough women said that the behavior makes them uncomfortable
for you to think that maybe you shouldn't do this
simply because it makes somebody else's day shittier than it has to be?

is that not a balancing process we do to manage or behavior
just from a "let's try to make the world suck slightly less" perspective?

consider what you lose out on
(an off chance to maybe smash)

and weigh that against what the woman you may be talking to has a fear of
(the weight of fearing you are a bigger, stronger, for all she knows psycho lunatic
that might beat or rape her)

and then write out a rational explanation as to
why it is too hard for you let that woman go to
wherever she was trying to go before you saw her.


i mean damn.

isn't rule number 1 of game to make ppl feel, you know... comfortable?
what part of the game is this?

and before somebody says "direction of pursuit",
why not simply wait until you are in a place
where ppl are there specifically to talk to ppl before you pursue?

i go to these places like this all the time.

bars
night clubs
church picnics
book clubs
parties

i mean damn.



i will acknowledge that some women's fears may sound irrational to you
but how about you ppl actually listen to what is said,
weigh how you are making them feel
against what you potentially have to gain

and then make a different decision about how you interact with people
based on the fact that the entire world is ALREADY a giant shithole that would arguably be better off burned to the ground, and it's shouldn't be too much to ask
for you make the slightest bit of effort to not make it even worse for somebody else
by doing shit like this.


try to think about it that way.




  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Euameio
Charter member
636 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:40 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
412. "10hrs of walking vs.YEARS of just plain living-"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Let's imagine that since you were like 9 years old, strangers said things to you in public places.
Sometimes they grabbed at you.
Sometimes they touched themselves as they looked at you.

Maybe they said nice things, but most of the times they said very dirty things.
At a point it doesn't matter WHAT they said- because they ONLY said these things to you, because of some lust-filled, spontaneous urge that men can't seem or want to control ?!
And at 9 you know this. You shouldn't know this at your age, but you do. Your caretaker warns you about it.
Are 9 year old boys told to not catcall? Men only say these things to us because they feel they have the right/power to.
They were never told young it was wrong- was it encouraged?

This is how women live- Since we were young my dears..
How old are you now? Would this type of reoccurring theme (since 9yrs of age) affect your psyche in anyway?
How would you tell which stranger would not attack you if you engaged or ignored?
Do any of you see any parallels with this, to Jim Crow-like psychological terror (power, public space laws and fear..etc)?
or the slight fear you have with Stop& Frisk/ racial profiling?

It frankly doesn't matter if the stranger is good looking or not. They are a stranger, it is a public space-
publicly expressing a sexual intention or appraisal of a woman's body while they are simply going about their daily life.

Just like stop& frisk-to a point, this gets to be extremely belittling and irritating and sometimes scary.
It really threatens our peace of mind in a way that we shouldn't have to experience on a daily basis-

Men know that if you truly want to holler, the street is NOT the proper venue. Deep down inside you know the odds are never in your favor-

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
414. "main question is: would all of the men who don't"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

think this is a big deal feel the same way if it were gay men street calling at them while they walked down the street?

I've seen MAD dudes get eyeballed and winked at by gay men, and they get livid.

The misogyny is that somehow they think that when THEY do it tho that it's all good and warranted. I am not a male feminist as people have said in the past but women definitely have a point to not be objectified.

But if dudes think it should be fair game for them to be able to holla at any chick whenever no matter the circumstance then they should say it's fair game for them to be holla'd at in the same manner, by any and everyone.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:18 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
415. "Anything minus touching, stalking or blatant thirst is cool."
In response to Reply # 414


  

          

Hi, how are you is fine.
Smile or you should smile is cool.
The innocuous social statements are acceptable.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
419. "smile or you should smile is not cool for everyone"
In response to Reply # 415


  

          

How many times do we have to explain this shit? Stop giving women orders to do what YOU want them to do. You do not know what's going on in my life at that moment. I'm not ever going to be smiling at all times, nor do I appreciate being ordered to do so. For what? Cause I'm a woman and here to be all jolly and coy for your enjoyment at all time? It's my space, my mood, and my prerogative to smile or not smile.

Are you telling other men who walk down the street to smile too? Cause those "smile" comments are never just so. It follows with how you look mean and need to look happier and a list of other dumb comments to follow. I'm not on earth to be smiling for you. Mind your business and stop telling me what to do. You can be in a horrible mood, not feeling well, or just lost someone in death. I'm not trying to hear that shit from a stranger who is trying to take ownership of my mood at the moment for his pleasure. Some men are always trying to get some damn attention from every woman he sees because he believes she is solely there for him.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:00 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
421. "yup, or you just aren't interested."
In response to Reply # 419


  

          

It doesn't even take all that for you to not want the attention.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:02 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
422. "are you saying it's cool for dudes to"
In response to Reply # 415


  

          

Come at you like that?

Or that these should be the standards by which we can holla at women?

If the latter, then what if women don't agree? Do they get a say in how THEY get to be pursued?

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:34 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
528. "I would not take offense with anyone approaching me like that."
In response to Reply # 422
Wed Oct-29-14 10:35 AM by Kira

  

          

For the record, I tell everyone I come across with a mean mug to smile. Seriously, I want to know where the individuals in this post with the most replies live where every man that says hi is out to holla, rob, and commit sexually deviant acts.

***SPOILER ALERT: EVERY MAN A WOMAN MEETS THAT SAYS HI IS NOT A MONSTER***

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:04 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
593. "every guy that says hello may not be a monster"
In response to Reply # 528


  

          

But they all say it with sexual intent and connotation, and ANY guy could potentially be that threat, no matter how well meaning you are.

I am a guy that holds doors for all people, and keep my mouth to myself but will give a head nod to all people that I make eye contact with just as a means of acknowledging your existence. But telling people to smile is still somewhat problematic unless you are willing or have invested into unpacking the things that are causing them to frown. "Smiling" makes you feel better and doesn't solve their problem or mood.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:31 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
417. "I have been catcalled by women before...it was a weird feeling."
In response to Reply # 414


  

          

If a gay dude did that I wouldn't do anything besides continue walking by.

However this isn't the same because I haven't had this happen to me every year since puberty.

"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
420. "I feel like if dudes went out on 125th"
In response to Reply # 417


  

          

and had Terry Crews looking mofos walking up to them like "hay gorgeous" and following them for 4 avenues and into Jimmy Jazz, only for you to get mad and they respond like "no offense, smile Pa, I was only giving you a compliment"....they'd contextualize this much differently.

Most dudes I know respond violently to that, and get defensive and threaten to fight and threaten all kinda shit. But if it's all harmless and polite then why THAT reaction?

There will be exceptions, but in this dream "wifey" scenario if she was really feeling you THAT much she'd stop and give you a shot to holla.

Dudes need to recontextualize the exchange, and humanize women in the equation instead of objectifying them. They wouldn't and don't appreciate the same action when they are under the scope.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 05:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
426. "Don't forget the context of sexual assault stats either."
In response to Reply # 420


  

          

Add a lifetime of experiencing actual physical assault, or at the very least hearing about it from many of your close peers, and (I imagine) you're getting close to the lived experience of women.

Men going "I once got cat-called by a woman on the subway" sound like those white people complaining about getting called "honky" whenever someone tries to talk about racism.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Lardlad95
Member since Jul 31st 2002
66340 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:35 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
530. "Did I try to say it was the same thing though?"
In response to Reply # 426


  

          

No, I just pointed out that it happened and why my experiences lack the social context to allow me to fully understand what women go through.




"All the world's a stage,
And all the men and women merely players:
They have their exits and their entrances;
And one man in his time plays many parts..." -The Bard

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
553. "definitely but people keep saying"
In response to Reply # 426


  

          

catcalled by women. I'm saying if straight men went out on their daily business and got catcalled by men then they would get it. It's like they can't humanize the issue until they are prey.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
F_ECM
Member since Sep 07th 2011
38 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 05:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
427. "This is a false equivalency"
In response to Reply # 420


  

          

To form an analogous situation with gay men hitting on men loses the broadness of women targeted by said street harassment. Most men feel it is an affront to their perceived masculinity and/or sexuality to be catcalled at by gay men, at least the ones who act out. While gay women are subject to this with everyday street harassment they have a minority view as we are discussing this with respect to the nuisance of these hecklers.

A relation must maintain the two parties sexual attractions. These men are attracted to women and suppose that the hollas are directed at straight women. Being attractive to a woman is not something wholly tangible as what it takes for a man to lust for a woman. Also account for the aggressor role being primarily male centered and you wind up with our current debate/misunderstanding.

At our basest nature we are all animals and women underestimate just how much man has perpetually fed male sexual desires/ thoughts. The objectification of women has not lost inertia merely changed form and become larger in magnitude with larger populations in smaller spaces.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:14 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
505. "RE: This is a false equivalency"
In response to Reply # 427


  

          

>To form an analogous situation with gay men hitting on men
>loses the broadness of women targeted by said street
>harassment. Most men feel it is an affront to their perceived
>masculinity and/or sexuality to be catcalled at by gay men, at
>least the ones who act out. While gay women are subject to
>this with everyday street harassment they have a minority view
>as we are discussing this with respect to the nuisance of
>these hecklers.

It is not going to be a direct one to one correspondence because society as a backdrop won't allow for a direct role swap (such as with "reverse racism") but catcalling doesn't care about the humanization of the victim. An "affront to their perceived masculinity/ sexuality" is irrelevant! The only thing perceived is that you "could be hubby/wifey" and that alone gives me the greens light. I mean are allowed to get upset at these encroaching personal affronts then why should women be disqualified merely because they may be into guys?

>A relation must maintain the two parties sexual attractions.
>These men are attracted to women and suppose that the hollas
>are directed at straight women. Being attractive to a woman is
>not something wholly tangible as what it takes for a man to
>lust for a woman. Also account for the aggressor role being
>primarily male centered and you wind up with our current
>debate/misunderstanding.

Women are against the "aggressor role" if it means a free for all 24/7 onslaught. Most women in here are even saying there is a time and place to do that. But if we establish (which we have) that male are thr aggressors and females are merely the prey or prize to be won, the we are oppressing them and they don't like it. If you are an impoverished person within the framework of capitalism you may have a similar grievance too.

>At our basest nature we are all animals and women
>underestimate just how much man has perpetually fed male
>sexual desires/ thoughts. The objectification of women has not
>lost inertia merely changed form and become larger in
>magnitude with larger populations in smaller spaces.

We should try to be something more than our basal natures. If women, competent mature adult women, can say on their own merit that they don't like this then as men we should be able to amend and accommodate that request. If a woman walking down the street is THAT into you she has a brain too. She may even stop and give you a chance to holla if you are that other worldly. But clearly MOST men are not. Out of the 100 calls she hot she didn't show interest in any of them. It is completely dehumanizing and objectifying to think women have to be pursued in this manner anymore. Since moving to NY I've actually gotten more hollas from women because I wasn't so thirsty to show interest and I wasn't a guy that howled at every walking woman I passed. I worked with a guy for 5 weeks that would literally hang out the woman to hiss and kiss and holla at EVERY woman we passed. It is so juvenile. We can do better.


________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 06:29 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
431. "Seems like there are three catergories of the street holler. "
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

1. The Creep Holler - Dude says something sexual, dude touches a girl, dude follows a girl, etc. We all agree that's wrong. It's straight harassment and physically threatening. Them Dudes suck.

2. The Have a Nice Day Holler - The Old man classic. Pretty girl walks by he says "Hello", "Have a Nice Day", "Hi Beautiful", etc. This holler is characterized by dude really having no expectation of anything. He is not trying to get the digits, he just wants to acknowledge the presence of a woman he finds attractive.

I know this is probably unwanted and annoying but does it rise anything beyond that? Is it on the same level or higher of annoyance as the homeless people constantly asking me for change? If so why?

3. The really trying to holler holler - This is a dude really trying to get those digits (different then the first two hollers because them dudes should have known nothing was going to go down). They try to spit game. If the woman demures, and the dude persists then this turns into the creep holler.

My question about this type of holler is if the dude really tries to holler holler, and a woman shuts him down (ignores him, says "no thanks" or "I am good") and dude falls back, is that harassment? Especially considering some times the really trying to holler holler works? I mean dudes DO pull women on the street.

So what are we suppose to do about a type of holler that some women welcome and some don't?


Or to put a less clinical way, if a dude saw the girl of his dreams (and a lot of dudes can just look at a girl and know they would like them beyond their physical attractiveness) and it just so happens he saw her on the street, he is not suppose to say anything to her (even when it is welcomed by some women)?

---
I am not an advocater of street holler because it's not something I have ever done (funny thing is I think probably all the dudes here probably don't so I don't know why they are so defensive about it) but I am not sure to what extent anyone has a right to not to be talked to by anyone while on the street. At what level is street interaction just a part of living in the city versus harassment to be curbed?





**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:18 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
435. "How To Talk To Women (Link):"
In response to Reply # 431


  

          

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/how-to-talk-to-women/

For men who do care and do not want to offend or threaten women, the following tips can guide their interactions (and if this sounds too dumbed down, I agree but it seems to be necessary given some men’s attitudes about commenting on and harassing women in public):

1. Treat women like human beings, with respect and dignity.

2. If you want to say hello to a woman, just smile and nod or say hello. Do not whistle, honk, or make kissy noises at her. Do not say, “Hey baby,” or “Hi cutie.” Those are disrespectful and inappropriate actions and terms to use with a complete stranger.

3. The way a woman is dressed does not tell you if she wants to be commented on. If she looks dressed up, do not assume it is to gain the admiration of all men she sees and that you should say something to her. She may enjoy dressing up, she may be dressed up for an event, or she may be dressed up to gain the admiration of a specific person or persons. Unless she has a sign on that says, “Please comment on my looks,” do not do it.

4. Stranger rape and harassment are real threats for women. If you find yourself alone with a woman in a deserted parking garage, road, or park, especially at night., keep a respectful distance and do not approach her.

Unless the comments or actions of men who want to flirt or meet a woman in public to date or “hook up” with are welcome by the woman, they constitute harassment.

Here are several things people can keep in mind to avoid being a harasser:

1. Do not assume all women are single, heterosexual or bisexual, or interested in male attention or in forming a relationship.

2. Differences or similarities in race, class, and age between you and the woman and the woman’s sexual orientation can cause her to interpret attention a certain way.

3. Women deserve the same right to privacy in public that most men enjoy, and many women will view a man who approaches her for any reason other than a gender-neutral one, such as asking for directions, the time, or to offer assistance, as violating their privacy, and they may be rude or hostile.

4. Most of the time, women do not want to be approached for a date by a man in public places like the street or at a bus stop. Women are usually in public for a reason: to commute to school or work, to run errands, or to get exercise, not to meet men. There are times when a woman may be open to meeting someone in public, but they are rare, so keep in mind that chances are great that if you approach a woman, she will not want to meet you to form a relationship.

5. If you do approach a woman, try not to do so if it is dark out, if it is a deserted area, if there are no other people around, or if you are with your friends while she is alone. All of these factors can make women feel threatened by any man approaching them.

6. Never follow a woman without a good reason, like she dropped her wallet and you are trying to return it. Aside from assault, men following women is the behavior women feel the most threatened by when they are alone in public.

7. Only approach a woman when she does not appear to be in a hurry or preoccupied. Initiate the interaction by smiling at her and/or saying hello. If, and only if, she smiles and/or says hello back and then does not hurry away, look away, or otherwise try to ignore you, then you can say something else to her that is respectful and polite, including flirtatious remarks.

8. If you say hello and/or smile and the woman hurries away, ignores you or responds rudely, leave her alone. She may not have the time or desire to talk, so be respectful of her schedule and feelings. She may have had a bad harassment or assault experience and now is wary of all men who approach her. You may be the third or fourth person to approach her that day and even if done politely, it can become wearisome and annoying.

9. If a woman initiates a conversation with you, be respectful in your responses. If at any point during a conversation a woman looks uncomfortable, gives you one word answers, looks away, or tries to leave, follow her cues and stop talking. If she does not resume the conversation, leave her alone.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:19 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
436. "How to Tell if Behavior is Sexual Harassment:"
In response to Reply # 431


  

          

http://www.bernicesandler.com/id18.htm

Some men (and women) have difficulty understanding which behaviors are considered as sexual harassment. The following questions may be especially helpful in assessing one's own behavior or someone else's:

Would I mind if someone treated my wife, partner, girlfriend, mother, sister or daughter this way?

Would I mind if this person told my wife, partner, girlfriend, mother, sister or daughter what I was saying and doing?

Would I do this if my wife, partner, girlfriend, mother, sister or daughter was in the room?

Would I be comfortable saying the same thing or acting the same way to my mother, sister or daughter?

Would I do this if the parent, spouse or boyfriend of the other person was present?

When a person objects to my behavior do I apologize and stop, or do I get angry instead?

Would I act this way if I didn't have power over this person, such as being a supervisor or executive? Do I have other kinds of power over this person such as being bigger or with more status?

Is my behavior reciprocated? Are there specific indications of pleasure -- not "She didn't object" but specific behaviors indicating she is pleased by my behavior?

Would I mind if a reporter wanted to write about what I was doing?


Keep in mind that if you have to ask, such behavior is likely to be high risk and it is probably better to not do it.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
457. "Nothing in either post I didn't know (all common sense), and both were n..."
In response to Reply # 436


  

          

to the questions I raised.

How does either post answer the questions:

1.I know the "Good Morning Beautiful" remark is probably unwanted and annoying but does it rise anything beyond that? Is it on the same level or higher of annoyance as the homeless people constantly asking me for change? If so why?

or

2. So what are we suppose to do about the fact that some women welcome the legitimate holler from certain dudes if there is mutual attraction?




**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:31 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
479. "good for you, Buddy G."
In response to Reply # 457


  

          

>1.I know the "Good Morning Beautiful" remark is probably
>unwanted and annoying but does it rise anything beyond that?
>Is it on the same level or higher of annoyance as the homeless
>people constantly asking me for change? If so why?

yes. b/c the person receiving your 'GMB' doesn't know you, Buddy G. she doesn't know if your 'GMB' will turn bad if she doesn't respond properly. and she doesn't know the proper response b/c she doesn't know you. and now your 'GMB' has put pressure on her to respond correctly. when she was just out and about conducting her biz and living her life. now she's gotta deal w/you and your 'GMB' when you are a complete stranger to her. even a nice guy respectful polite stranger - those guys can turn bad. and she doesn't know.

>2. So what are we suppose to do about the fact that some
>women welcome the legitimate holler from certain dudes if
>there is mutual attraction?

holla at those bitches, G.

smile and nod first. easy, breezy. tip your hat first. easy, breezy. if she gives a positive sign in response, now try 'Hello' or 'GMB'. if she responds positively, keep going. if she doesn't respond or doesn't respond positively LET IT GO. leave her alone. don't assume she didn't see or hear. don't assume she's being coy. let it go. w/o commenting to her. w/o repeating yourself. just leave her alone.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:37 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
"You are slickly evading my questions and deflecting. It's cool. "


  

          


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:40 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
488. "what should you do about hollas that some women like?"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Oct-29-14 09:48 AM by SoWhat

  

          

you should (oh noez...i'm telling you what to do though i don't know you!!) change the way you holla b/c of the reality that hollas amount to harassment for too many women. change the way you holla at all women. start out w/the silent action - smile/nod. then move in if she's receptive. if she's not receptive, leave her alone. if you don't get a chance to smile at her - leave her alone.

common sense stuff, as you put it earlier.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
double negative
Member since Dec 14th 2007
22151 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:24 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
438. "the very last part is what is messy about life."
In response to Reply # 431


  

          


>
>Or to put a less clinical way, if a dude saw the girl of his
>dreams (and a lot of dudes can just look at a girl and know
>they would like them beyond their physical attractiveness) and
>it just so happens he saw her on the street, he is not suppose
>to say anything to her (even when it is welcomed by some
>women)?
>


like, I'm on board with not being a creepy fucker to women and just lettin' em live, but I wonder how this scenario fits into all of this.


***********************************************************
https://soundcloud.com/swageyph/yph-die-with-me

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 07:55 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
443. "I see the man of my dreams daily on the train."
In response to Reply # 438


  

          

I can tell he is not interested. I can tell there is nothing I can say that will sway him. I do not know or care if he is gay - I know he is not into me. And so I do not speak to him.

If a man sees the person of his dreams on the street and he doesn't know if they're interested - try a smile and nod. I tried that. It went nowhere inviting. I left him alone. If I couldnt have arranged face time - bc he already passed or whatever - then that is a missed opportunity and life goes on. But going after and grabbing or otherwise demanding a person's attention bc they happen to look really appealing (even person of dreams) is not cool. It's very likely to be harassing.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:57 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
460. "Yeah but that's not what people are saying here. "
In response to Reply # 443


  

          

>I can tell he is not interested. I can tell there is nothing
>I can say that will sway him. I do not know or care if he is
>gay - I know he is not into me. And so I do not speak to him.
>
>
>If a man sees the person of his dreams on the street and he
>doesn't know if they're interested - try a smile and nod.


OK but what about saying "Hello?" Some folks here have described that as unwelcomed street harrasment. That sounds extreme to me. Even doing the test "what if it were my sister" test.


I
>tried that. It went nowhere inviting. I left him alone. If I
>couldnt have arranged face time - bc he already passed or
>whatever - then that is a missed opportunity and life goes on.
>But going after and grabbing or otherwise demanding a person's
>attention bc they happen to look really appealing (even person
>of dreams) is not cool. It's very likely to be harassing.

We all agree these things you described are not cool.

I am trying to figure out where the reasonable line is and I am considering that some of the women's position in here, namely that saying hello constitute street harassment, isn't a reasonable line.

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:08 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
463. "a silent smile and nod."
In response to Reply # 460


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:16 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
466. "^ not about that #creeplife"
In response to Reply # 463


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:20 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
470. "it's not difficult."
In response to Reply # 466


  

          

the guy i see everyday who's not into me, i used to smile and nod at him. he never returned the smile or nod in an inviting manner. sometimes he looked away, even. it was clear that he wasn't interested. i let it go.

it sucks b/c i see him everyday. but oh well. life has gone on.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
638. "Hey I agree with you. A smile and a nod would be the safest way to do it..."
In response to Reply # 470


  

          

But I am going to just have and disagree with you that saying "hello" crosses the line into being harrassment.

I know you don't agree with the notion that saying hello is "dehumanizing" "offensive" and "sexually charged".

**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:40 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
651. "then choose the safest way. the least obtrusive way."
In response to Reply # 638


  

          

unfortunately, YES...fucking 'hello' can be harassing. b/c that 'hello' doesn't happen in a vacuum, homie. b/c it's not that ONE GUY saying 'hello'. it's the build-up of 'hello' and 'good morning' and 'smile, beautiful' and 'hey pretty lady' and 'hey you' and 'hey blue jeans' and 'what's up' and 'can i talk to you?'....

it's not JUST 'hello'. to the guy saying it it's just 'hello' but not to the person on the receiving end. it's the build up of these unwarranted greetings that too often come an expectation of SOME response that becomes harassment. so the individual 'hello' doesn't come in isolation. and sorry but women and others who receive this behavior aren't going to act brand new just to make you feel better about your 'hello' or some mythical old man's 'hello'. your 'hello' doesn't get to break through the cloud of the other 'hellos' and be as special as YOU are. it's just another 'hello' from a stranger. another annoyance. another harassment. it's not special.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
Member since Dec 25th 2010
16580 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:23 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
446. "RE: the very last part is what is messy about life."
In response to Reply # 438


  

          

>>Or to put a less clinical way, if a dude saw the girl of his
>>dreams (and a lot of dudes can just look at a girl and know
>>they would like them beyond their physical attractiveness)
>and
>>it just so happens he saw her on the street, he is not
>suppose
>>to say anything to her (even when it is welcomed by some
>>women)?
>>

Don't say nothing. A woman will let you know if she's interested. You
approaching her in the streets will have you coming across like one
of the dudes in this video.

******************************************
Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:31 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
448. "So I'm the only one who fapped?"
In response to Reply # 0


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 08:58 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
461. "SERIOUS QUESTION: Why were all the men Black and Latino"
In response to Reply # 0


          

I refuse to believe that she was only harrassed by men of color. I'm sure that if we had the raw footage, there would be at least one white guy. Street harrassment is a very real issue, but I can't help but wonder if there is some secret racial agenda, or if they specifically used "scary" minorities to make it more impactful.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:08 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
462. "^^^ sees it. but mofos all up in here going for/ cosigning the head-fake..."
In response to Reply # 461


  

          

dont believe the hype, it's a sequel (c)

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Ill Jux
Member since Jan 19th 2007
14705 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:48 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
492. "word"
In response to Reply # 462


          

______

in the memory of NYC upt JUX�

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:11 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
465. "ask Gradient Lair and Feminista Jones about it:"
In response to Reply # 461


  

          

http://www.gradientlair.com/post/59330041829/black-men-street-harassment-phrases-behaviors

http://www.gradientlair.com/tagged/youoksis

https://twitter.com/feministajones

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
469. "what does any of this have to do with my point?"
In response to Reply # 465


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
475. "there is no secret racial agenda at work here"
In response to Reply # 469
Wed Oct-29-14 09:26 AM by SoWhat

  

          

considering Black feminists/womanists are largely involved in the effort. <-- that is the point of those links. the links point to a site and a Twitter page maintained by self-described black womanists who i doubt would participate in a secret racial agenda to harm black men. yet those women are involved in the effort to curb street harassment.

why were the men in that video largely black and Latino? probably b/c that's who was on the street during the hours when this was made. probably b/c that's who was on the street in the areas where this video was made.

this effort is going on outside the USA too. in places where there are many fewer black and Latino men on the street. it's not about black and Latino men.

i read something last night that proposed that the behavior may be class-related in that ppl of certain classes are more likely to be on the street or exposed to each other in public spaces where this kind of harassment occurs. if this tends to happen on sidewalks and public transit - ppl of certain classes tend to be walking on sidewalks and riding PT. ppl of certain classes also tend to be of certain races, depending on where in the world one is. so maybe that's why we saw the men we saw in that video too.

but i am convinced there is no secret racial agenda at work here.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:28 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
477. "I'm sure it's a class thing"
In response to Reply # 475


          

I'm just shocked that there were NO white harassers in 10 hours of raw footage.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:32 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
481. "okay."
In response to Reply # 477


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
483. "there are quite a few white guys"
In response to Reply # 477


          

watch again

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:40 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
489. "I watched again"
In response to Reply # 483


          

There are a couple of blurred faces that I assumed to be Puerto Ricans, that could possibly be white.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:50 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
493. "some of the voices sounded whiter"
In response to Reply # 489
Wed Oct-29-14 09:50 AM by kinetic20

          

for whatever thats worth ha

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:35 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
484. "Black women seem to feel a little less conflicted"
In response to Reply # 475


  

          

about calling black men out for this than alot of white women do, which is slightly counterintuitive. Probably because black women who get street harassed are mad about it but not afraid of being called racist, like alot of nonblack women would be.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:37 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
485. "right on."
In response to Reply # 484


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:43 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
491. "I'm not talking about the street harrassment issue"
In response to Reply # 484


          

I'm talking about THIS. SPECIFIC. VIDEO.

I'm not up in this post caping for street hollas and the niggas who love them. I understand it's a very real issue.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:51 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
495. "iHollaback seems to address this on the page w/the video:"
In response to Reply # 491


  

          

Is Street Harassment a Cultural Thing?

Like all forms of gender-based violence, street harassers fall evenly across lines of race and class. It is a longstanding myth that street harassment is a “cultural” thing, perpetrated mostly by men of color. We believe that street harassment is a “cultural” thing in the sense that it emerges from a culture of sexism — and unfortunately — that is everyone’s culture.



It’s important to keep in mind that is this video only captures verbal harassment, and Rob and Shoshana can attest to the harassment overall falling evenly along race and class lines. While filming, Shoshana noted, “I’m harassed when I smile and I’m harassed when I don’t. I’m harassed by white men, black men, latino men. Not a day goes by when I don’t experience this.”

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
John Forte
Member since Feb 22nd 2013
15361 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
498. "I can work with that"
In response to Reply # 495


          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:58 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
499. "In New York it's largely black and Latin and poor "
In response to Reply # 491


  

          

and less educated men doing this. Probably all the big cities with large black populations are like that.


The reason? Like some of us have been sating, class, plus mores about holleration that have developed in black culture un the last 30 years. Middle class white people generally fund that kind of thing declasse and boorish and don't engage in it as much.

I know it's gotten worse because my mother doesn't know anything about street harrassment. In fact, shes always half jokingly suggesting lines for me to drop on women in the street, and I'm always informing her that I'm "not allowed" to do that kind of thing, in light of this issue. It wasn't like this in her day and that generation doesn't really get what all the fuss is about

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:04 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
503. "then why does street harassment happen in places w/o black"
In response to Reply # 499
Wed Oct-29-14 10:09 AM by SoWhat

  

          

or Latino men?

why does it happen in mighty white places like Australia and Scandinavia?

and if this is only a problem for the youth, then where does the classic whistling construction worker meme come from?

where did Pepe Le Pew come from? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEdBndu0YUM <--j/k LOL

i disagree w/your mother that this is a new issue. i think it's older than us. plus my mother and her sisters have complained about having been harassed on the streets in St. Louis when they were teens.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
544. "lets wait for 10 hours in Sydney first then"
In response to Reply # 503


  

          

cause i think there are heaps of bullshit on so many sides of this issue

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:04 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
554. "Ppl Against Street Harassment - Sydney"
In response to Reply # 544


  

          

http://pashsydney.tumblr.com/

^ i found this link to a group that's working on the issue in Sydney. i haven't found that they literally have a 10 hrs video like Hollaback. the point is - this issue has been identified in Sydney and ppl are working to address it.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
ShinobiShaw
Charter member
48550 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:07 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
557. "A coworker walked past a bunch of construction workers"
In response to Reply # 544


  

          

who were white and they were whistling and catcalling.

As a matter of fact they used to have a white person word for this back in the day. I believe it was called a "masher"

I do feel some kinda way that this video took place only up in harlem and what it looks to be the bronx and not wallstreet or downtown BK where the construction worker incident happened.

http://soundcloud.com/djshinobishaw
http://www.rareformnyc.com
http://twitter.com/DJShinobiShaw
https://twitter.com/RareFormNYC
PSN: ShinobiShaw

"Arm Leg Leg Arm How you doin?" (c)T510

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
573. "again, a class issue"
In response to Reply # 557


  

          

but i think the volume in sydney or some of the other places listed might be significantly lower...i'll look into what SoWhat linked up later bc i know it's an uninformed assumption

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
468. "A few of the guys were white in that video"
In response to Reply # 461


  

          

>I refuse to believe that she was only harrassed by men of
>color. I'm sure that if we had the raw footage, there would be
>at least one white guy. Street harrassment is a very real
>issue, but I can't help but wonder if there is some secret
>racial agenda, or if they specifically used "scary" minorities
>to make it more impactful.

But they just made a comment and kept it moving.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:22 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
472. "Her body mightve had a lot to do with that. I also think it was staged"
In response to Reply # 461


  

          

a bit.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:28 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
478. "I think alot of them are embarrassed about the fact that it's mostly bla..."
In response to Reply # 461


  

          

and Latin guys.

The real drivers of the anti street harrassment movement are all hardcore leftists, and they feel really uneasy about exposing the bad behavior of so many poor, less educated black and Latino men. That's why they tie themselves in knots trying to explain that part of the issue away.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:25 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
517. "oh please. "
In response to Reply # 478
Wed Oct-29-14 10:28 AM by Joe Corn Mo

  

          

have you ever been to a white college campus?
or hung around white ppl?

there was another video where a woman was walking through a smarty-art
high class museum.

same shit.

this is not a white/ black or even a rich/ poor issue.
wasn't she walking through a black neighborhood?

i dunno.


>and Latin guys.
>
>The real drivers of the anti street harrassment movement are
>all hardcore leftists, and they feel really uneasy about
>exposing the bad behavior of so many poor, less educated black
>and Latino men. That's why they tie themselves in knots
>trying to explain that part of the issue away.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:47 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
538. "I see you've changed your tune on this topic."
In response to Reply # 517


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
609. "read carefully. "
In response to Reply # 538


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Ill Jux
Member since Jan 19th 2007
14705 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:51 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
496. "they were in the middle of harlem, 125th"
In response to Reply # 461


          

they could have went to any of the 100's of neighborhoods in the city, but they went to 125th.

______

in the memory of NYC upt JUX�

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:19 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
467. "So nobody is gonna point how bad she is? The pop woulda triple took"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

at her. Also some of these sound staged to me.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Starks dunked on Bulls
Member since Dec 07th 2011
12028 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
471. "HMMM . . . yeah this could be staged"
In response to Reply # 467


  

          

>Also some of these sound staged to me.

The fact that she asked for donations is suspect as well.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:24 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
473. "yes, some of them seemed that way to me. Im just not to type to believe"
In response to Reply # 471


  

          

everything I see on some youtube link.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Hamsterline
Charter member
4004 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:52 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
497. "you have women in here telling you this has happened"
In response to Reply # 473


  

          

It happens. It happens ALL the time.

When you're walking with a woman, you won't see this go one cuz those idiots aren't trying to disrespect you. But when a woman is alone, I can guarantee you that this happens.

_________________________
"no manure, no magic"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
522. "Never said it doesn't happen. I said some of the video looks staged."
In response to Reply # 497


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:59 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
501. "Hollaback addresses this on the page w/the video:"
In response to Reply # 467


  

          

How did this PSA come about?

In August 2014, Rob Bliss of Rob Bliss Creative reached out to Hollaback! to partner on a PSA highlighting the impact of street harassment. He was inspired by his girlfriend — who gets street harassed all the time — and Shoshana B. Roberts volunteered to be the subject of his PSA. For 10 hours, Rob walked in front of Shoshana with a camera in his backpack, while Shoshana walked silently with two mics in her hands.



As part of Rob’s agreement with Hollaback!, Rob had creative control over the PSA and owns it with unlimited usage rights for Hollaback!. Hollaback! is grateful for Rob and Shoshana’s dedication to this issue, and for their volunteer service.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:24 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
474. "i just watched it again"
In response to Reply # 0


          

and i cannot fathom how there are ppl who do not get how this is complete and utter fckng harassment
it is mind boggling

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:20 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
510. "really really easily dismissed"
In response to Reply # 474


  

          

and now the tone is it was staged...
*facepalm*


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

gumz
Member since Jan 09th 2005
20118 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
476. "i won't lie...i felt like a dick while watching this"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

cause I've definitely done some variation of this...typically while drunk. i'm not typically one to yell something disrepectful but saying hi, how you doing, that type of shit i've definitely done while out on the town. on the regular day to day i keep it to eye contact and a smile though.

still...when you see them all piled up like this it makes you feel fucked up for having been a part of it even if it's once in a blue moon.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
twitter: @BrosefMalone

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
lfresh
Member since Jun 18th 2002
92696 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 09:42 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
490. "thanks for not dismissing"
In response to Reply # 476


  

          


~~~~
When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
~~~~
You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
gumz
Member since Jan 09th 2005
20118 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
608. "i think the closest thing i can compare it to..."
In response to Reply # 490


  

          

is all the street/beach hustlers i run into while on vacation somewhere. that shit gets real annoying and all they're trying to do is make some money...not try to fuck me. can't imagine the level of anxiety it must cause on a daily basis.

http://www.youtube.com/user/gumzization
twitter: @BrosefMalone

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

stattic
Charter member
29791 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
502. "These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          


by gameless fools while I was just trying to go about my business.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Nick Has a Problem...Seriously
Member since Dec 25th 2010
16580 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:14 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
506. "RE: These dudes have no game, and I'd be annoyed if I was interrupted"
In response to Reply # 502


  

          

>
>by gameless fools while I was just trying to go about my
>business.

I don't think women want game thrown at them either.

******************************************
Falcons, Braves, Bulldogs and Hawks

Geto Boys, Poison Clan, UGK, Eightball & MJG, OutKast, Goodie Mob

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:11 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
504. "Personally, I'm tired of kids standing outside the post office and bank...."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

trying to sell me cookies.

I'm tired of firemen, churches, basketball teams, etc.. approaching my car at major intersections with their buckets trying to collect money.

Tired of kids approaching my car at red lights to wash my windows, and starting to do it without having my permission.

Tired of starving artists trying to sell me their CD.

Being approached for anything can be considered harassment.

So hey, fight for whatever you believe in.

I will, however, agree with the notion that using the extreme example of NYC makes one roll their eyes just slightly.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:14 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
507. "i'm tired of women standing up for themselves"
In response to Reply # 504


  

          

and demanding to be treated w/dignity and respect.

i feel you, bro.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:17 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
508. "you replied in the wrong spot. It's okay. Still time to edit."
In response to Reply # 507


  

          

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:19 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
509. "how are y'all supposed to"
In response to Reply # 508


  

          

fuck these hoes if they keep standing up for themselves???

don't they know the species depends on y'all being able to holla at them when and where you want?

do they wanna bone standing up or nah?

so right, dude. so right.


fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
511. "not sure, I'll ask my wife if she has any suggestions for those going..."
In response to Reply # 509
Wed Oct-29-14 10:21 AM by daryloneal

  

          

through it.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:22 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
515. "good idea."
In response to Reply # 511


  

          

more conversation about the issue is a good. spread that awareness.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:22 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
513. "oh shit, i see now that your point is that"
In response to Reply # 508


  

          

YOU get street harassed too but you don't complain about it. but you understand that these women are complaining about street harassment that they won't stand for. and you have no problem w/that and in fact you stand w/them b/c you too are fed up w/street harassment you've experienced.

you're actually on the side of ppl who are harassed b/c you've been victimized. you get this issue totally.

i see it now.

you right. my bad for my prior snark. you're on the good side here.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:21 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
512. "When's the last time those kids raped you or a friend?"
In response to Reply # 504


  

          

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:22 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
514. "you're trolling. This has nothing to do with rape."
In response to Reply # 512


  

          

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
516. "it doesn't b/c no Girl Scout has raped you trying to sell cookies."
In response to Reply # 514


  

          

so women are not ever raped by ppl who approach them on the street. b/c your experience is just like women's experience.

and women who fear that they may be raped or otherwise attacked by a stranger who approaches them in public are just exaggerating. b/c this is NOT a thing. it hasn't happened to you so it doesn't happen to anyone.

totally.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
521. "you're trolling, as you normally do when it comes to issues that you are..."
In response to Reply # 516


  

          

passionate about.

Carry on.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:33 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
526. "why do you think this is not about rape?"
In response to Reply # 521


  

          

i've heard from women who've said this issue is about rape b/c they have either experienced or have heard about situations where a street holla turned to harassment turned to physical violence up to and including rape or worse. based on that i've heard from women who've said they fear that any street holla can end up in physical violence. they've said street hollas are unpredictable - they don't know where it's going or when the holla-er's intention will convert from holla to hitting to who-knows-what-else.

and so that's why i say this IS about rape. even if most street hollas never result in rape - the very real fear of rape exists w/in the context of the street action we're discussing here.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:38 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
532. "You can discuss rape if you want to in connection to the overall topic."
In response to Reply # 526


  

          

I'm not going to discuss it in response to MY personal statement, because there is no connection.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:45 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
535. "b/c you weren't raped by the ppl who've 'harassed' you?"
In response to Reply # 532


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:47 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
539. "because I'm not challenging the mindset of victims of street harassment."
In response to Reply # 535


  

          

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:05 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
555. "cool."
In response to Reply # 539


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:01 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
551. "i still think the police analogy works here"
In response to Reply # 526


  

          

in limited scope

i have an irrational fear of cops and there are (grave) enough examples of why it seems (or is) justified

nobody is saying cops should completely abandon their jobs...should they go about it differently? yep? should certain things about how they target people change..sure

but i think what's being offered as a solution to street hollers is throwing the baby out with the bath water...

just like i don't believe cops shouldn't pull me over ever on the street...

the only difference i genuinely feel is at play is the volume...and i think that's a decent enough distinction but not enough

i get it...but i disagree with the overall solution

u gave an example of a nod or smile...which can equally be viewed as harrassment...if every street hollerer round the world did that today...not only would the complaint still exist...the fear of rape/assualt would still be prevalent...

the guy who doesn't get a wink back is still dragging chicks into alleys...is still busting chicks heads with bottles in the clubs when she won't let him buy her drink

street hollers isn't the issue at all imho...it's lack of class...a undeservedly negative view of objectification...and the direction of pursuit being one-way

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:23 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
571. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 551


  

          

>i get it...but i disagree with the overall solution

then what is your solution, Ric?

>u gave an example of a nod or smile...which can equally be
>viewed as harrassment

Ric i got that suggestion from women who are advocating for an end to street harassment. THEY said a smile and nod is fine.

THEY said a smile and nod is not harassment.
THEY have not said that men should not ever talk to women on the street.

i can provide a link to what they said though i already did in replies 435 & 436.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:33 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
577. "i can find women who think a lot in the video is meh too"
In response to Reply # 571
Wed Oct-29-14 11:35 AM by MiracleRic

  

          

i get it

if i had the solution...i'd be a fucking genius...

i'm in here trying to figure it out...

i realize it's largely not "necessary" but i still think a lot of the reasoning surrounding it is faulty

imho...until we can find a way to make pursuit a 2-way thing...women are going to be inconvenienced in droves by most of men advances

male on female violence isn't going to change...

nothing is going to stop the borderline irrational fears until that occurs either...

of course women are ok with smile and nod now...bc they don't have the anecdotal evidence to be threatened by that...yet

i think that's not a bad reform idea and largely would support it...but i don't think it's going to change much

edit: i can break down why i think that suggestion also doesn't work but i don't think you'd be interested in that

Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:36 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
578. "okay, Ric."
In response to Reply # 577


  

          

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
523. "why not?"
In response to Reply # 514


          

>

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:35 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
529. "First of all.."
In response to Reply # 523


  

          

By no means was my statement intended to defend street harassers OR suggest that I know what it is to be a WOMAN that feels victimized by the comments of people she passes on the street.

My point is that I, too, (even as man) don't like being approached. So if that's your cause to fight for, I'm not going to stand in your way.

Some of y'all are so knee-jerk over responses that aren't identical to your own that shit is taken somewhere it doesn't need to go just to prove a point that a person isn't arguing.

I'm not going to discuss rape in response to MY statement, because it had nothing to do with that.

Take it how you want.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:47 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
537. "you made a series of false or meaningless equivalencies"
In response to Reply # 529


  

          

in a fairly dismissive tone but ultimately said you don't stand in the way of the effort.

word up.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:48 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
540. "like I said, take it how you want."
In response to Reply # 537


  

          

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:39 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
533. "Rhetoric maybe, definitely not trolling though."
In response to Reply # 514


  

          

My point is that you're looking at these interaction as if they're happening in a vacuum, even though plenty of folks (including women who experience this on a daily basis) have made clear that it's part of a continuum of unwanted interactions, with the very real possibility of physical sexual violence looming over the supposedly "innocent" (in the eyes of men performing them) verbal engagements.

As a man, I can safely say that the things you describe have never made me feel unsafe. Annoyed maybe, but *never* unsafe.

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:41 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
534. "#529"
In response to Reply # 533


  

          

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Backbone
Charter member
8448 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:49 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
541. "Nice derailing, bro."
In response to Reply # 534


  

          

___________________
"So this is what everybody's always talking about! Diablo! If only I'd known. The beauty! The beauty!"

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
daryloneal
Member since Jan 08th 2005
9267 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:50 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
542. "ok."
In response to Reply # 541
Wed Oct-29-14 10:51 AM by daryloneal

  

          

Yes, derailing your attempt to put me on a side that I'm clearly not on.

---
but have you ever checked out my website? www.dtaylorimages.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:57 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
549. "You've never been ran up on by a bunch of teens talking about they are"
In response to Reply # 533
Wed Oct-29-14 10:58 AM by Buddy_Gilapagos

  

          

raising money for their ball team when damn sure they don't look like they are in anybody's school.

>As a man, I can safely say that the things you describe have
>never made me feel unsafe. Annoyed maybe, but *never* unsafe.


The thing is conflating the old dude sitting down saying "hello" with the dude saying explicit things and following and touching women. If you put them on the same continuum then you are really saying all interaction with male strangers may lead to sexual assault or violence. And then why stop there with strangers? Most rape victims know their attackers so then you might as well say all female interactions with any men have the potential to lead to rape and sexual assault. Only way to solve it is no interaction with men.

That's the slippery slope you go down when you lump guys saying hello in with the dudes following, touching or saying explicit things.


I have a very narrow interest in this convo. Defending the dude who says hello or the guy you tries to holler politely and falls back when the lady shows no interest.

All the other shit in that video is terrible.


>My point is that you're looking at these interaction as if
>they're happening in a vacuum, even though plenty of folks
>(including women who experience this on a daily basis) have
>made clear that it's part of a continuum of unwanted
>interactions, with the very real possibility of physical
>sexual violence looming over the supposedly "innocent" (in the
>eyes of men performing them) verbal engagements.
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
562. "dont you see how the simple hello becomes frustrating & offensive"
In response to Reply # 549


          

after dealing with all the other shit??!?
COME ON
i feel like we are speaking to brick walls

>I have a very narrow interest in this convo. Defending the
>dude who says hello or the guy you tries to holler politely
>and falls back when the lady shows no interest.
>
>All the other shit in that video is terrible.

you never know if the person who says HELLO to you is going to call you a silly bitch, a stuck up cunt, a whatever after you ignore them
we have no fucking clue what is coming next
so the simple hello guy has everything ruined by the assholes
just dont fucking talk to us, period
thats the breaking pt we get to
what is so hard to get abt that????

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
637. "I understand how it's frustrating and annoying, but not offensive. "
In response to Reply # 562


  

          

I say that not because I don't understand your position or because I am a brick wall or incapable of empathasizing, but simply because I disagree with.


Is it possible that a reasonable man or woman can disagree with you that the simple act of saying hello isn't "offensive" in itself? Do you think all women would agree with you? Do you think all men who disagree with you are some sort of less evolved unempathetic unenlightened folk?


>after dealing with all the other shit??!?
>COME ON
>i feel like we are speaking to brick walls
>
>>I have a very narrow interest in this convo. Defending the
>>dude who says hello or the guy you tries to holler politely
>>and falls back when the lady shows no interest.
>>
>>All the other shit in that video is terrible.
>
>you never know if the person who says HELLO to you is going to
>call you a silly bitch, a stuck up cunt, a whatever after you
>ignore them
>we have no fucking clue what is coming next
>so the simple hello guy has everything ruined by the assholes
>just dont fucking talk to us, period
>thats the breaking pt we get to
>what is so hard to get abt that????
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:19 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
566. "just. smile. and. nod. silently."
In response to Reply # 549


  

          

smile.
nod.
don't talk.



smile.
nod.
don't talk.


smile.
nod.
don't talk.


smile.
nod.
don't talk.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:54 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
584. "did that same man say "hello" to the guy walking in front of her?"
In response to Reply # 549


  

          

Or any other person walking behind her?

Even his "hello" is sexually charged and dehumanizing. It wasn't just "hello", he just threw a smaller stone at her.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
631. "You'll never persuade anyone arguing that saying "Hello" is dehumanizing..."
In response to Reply # 584


  

          

offensive and sexually charged. Not just men but most women. It makes you appear extreme and a bit bonkers.


>Or any other person walking behind her?
>
>Even his "hello" is sexually charged and dehumanizing. It
>wasn't just "hello", he just threw a smaller stone at her.
>
>


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
633. "hi. (c) "
In response to Reply # 631


  

          

(No sexual connotation tho right?)

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:29 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
641. "No. there was no sexual connotation. It's odd to think there is. "
In response to Reply # 633


  

          


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

melmag
Charter member
18469 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:32 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
524. "Is the anti holla stance taken by women here.."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

an innate fear of possibly being assaulted or what? Like, wat makes the holla so bad except for that possibility? I'm really trying to understand here..

would the holla be more welcomed if that wasnt a factor?

Cus really, if the roles were reversed, I honestly cant see how this would be a prollem for a man

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:50 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
543. "if you're in a club and a gay guy"
In response to Reply # 524


  

          

comes up to you and politely asks to dance, are you cool with it?

If he just walks up and starts dancing on you or grabs your hand are you offended?

Same situation on the street, but he's like "whats up boo" as you walk by, you cool with that? Tells you to "smile sunshine", do you do it?

It seems like this is the only time that I have been able to convince other men that if they say it aint cool "because they are not interested" no matter how they try to nice it up, it us the same thing for women. They aren't interested, and it doesn't matter if they are having a bad day, or running late to work, or buried a family member, or have a boyfriend/husband. Them not being interested is enough.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:53 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
545. "Not seeing how this is the same "
In response to Reply # 543


  

          

>comes up to you and politely asks to dance, are you cool with
>it?
>
>If he just walks up and starts dancing on you or grabs your
>hand are you offended?
>
>Same situation on the street, but he's like "whats up boo" as
>you walk by, you cool with that? Tells you to "smile
>sunshine", do you do it?
>
>It seems like this is the only time that I have been able to
>convince other men that if they say it aint cool "because they
>are not interested" no matter how they try to nice it up, it
>us the same thing for women. They aren't interested, and it
>doesn't matter if they are having a bad day, or running late
>to work, or buried a family member, or have a
>boyfriend/husband. Them not being interested is enough.
>
>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:56 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
548. "how is it not the same?"
In response to Reply # 545


  

          

Are you cool with guys catcalling you?

Simple as that.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:58 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
550. "Uh... I dont like men"
In response to Reply # 548


  

          

>Are you cool with guys catcalling you?
>
>Simple as that.
>
>

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:06 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
556. "niether do some women"
In response to Reply # 550


          

>>Are you cool with guys catcalling you?
>>
>>Simple as that.

that doesnt stop men from catcalling them
so answer his question

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:08 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
558. "maybe some of us don't either"
In response to Reply # 550


  

          

but yall still gon try cause you simply like what you see

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:13 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
563. "lol WHAT DOES CATCALLING HAVE TO DO"
In response to Reply # 550


  

          

WITH WHAT "YOU" LIKE?

That is the point. Men by and large are allowed to assume that women are fair game and that they are into it. Women by and large are saying they aren't into it.

But then men say "well you like guys tho so I have a right to take a shot at you. But they aren't into you and dob't want that attention.

So if you as a man aren't into guys, but guys were to approach you at the same same level and intensity that men catcall women, what would that have to do with what you "want", and if you incessantly had to deal with unwanted attention on a daily basis, would you get to a point of being upset about it? Most humans would, and women are humans too, in a very oppressive relationship with their pursuers. Simple as that.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:17 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
565. "I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one"
In response to Reply # 550


  

          

They always want to turn to.

A much better analogy would be if an army of Preciouses were catcalling you.

But overall, what's interesting us that in order to make an analogy, they have to make the catcaller inherently unattractive (a man, an unattractive woman, etc.) That implies that unattractiveness is the real issue here.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
kinetic20
Charter member
19156 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:20 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
568. "you guys are so dense -' precious' doesnt have the ability to HARM YOU"
In response to Reply # 565


          

she cant drag you in an alley
her following you on a city block for FIVE minutes isnt SCARING you the way that man following that woman was
she is not stronger than you
she is not calling you out of your name
is there even a name for her to call you that has the same sting as bitch?
COME ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
use your brains



>They always want to turn to.
>
>A much better analogy would be if an army of Preciouses were
>catcalling you.
>
>But overall, what's interesting us that in order to make an
>analogy, they have to make the catcaller inherently
>unattractive (a man, an unattractive woman, etc.) That
>implies that unattractiveness is the real issue here.

i mean i give a fck but i don't give that much of a fck

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:24 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
572. "i don't understand why a fucking analogy is needed"
In response to Reply # 565


  

          

and why you motherfuckers can't just fucking have empathy for women who are telling about their experience or even women who have SHOWN it to you in video form.

the point of the analogies is for knuckleheads who just stubbornly REFUSE to empathize as is.

you are incorrect - this is not about attractiveness. this is about harassment.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:46 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
580. "RE: I never understand why such a terrible analogy is the one"
In response to Reply # 565


  

          

>They always want to turn to.
>
>A much better analogy would be if an army of Preciouses were
>catcalling you.

This isn't about attractiveness. "Unattractive" women actually get it even worse because they are not as highly esteemed. Men objectify them even moreso. But again an "army of Preciouses" isn't as empowered as 1 man. And you'd be more offended by 1 gay men catcalling you than an army of Preciouses.

>But overall, what's interesting us that in order to make an
>analogy, they have to make the catcaller inherently
>unattractive (a man, an unattractive woman, etc.) That
>implies that unattractiveness is the real issue here.

Nobody said anything about an unattractive man. The gay man in my analogy is unattractive to you because you aren't attracted to men. Women, believe it or not, can also not be attracted to men even if they are "attractive". Straight women. The point is to think JUST because a woman is straight that she'd want you automatically is the dehumanizing factor.

It's not just you in the street feeling so inspired to holla at the "non-Preciouses". You are not doing them any favors and they are not your fantasy. You wont necessarily MAKE them interested by aggressively pursuing them. It's why I use the gay men analogy, because it at least starts from the premise of getting attention that you don't want from a group that could dehumanize you to a level of being merely objectified. (Again, no diss to gay men, but yall know nothing scares a straight dude more than his own homophobia).


________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
melmag
Charter member
18469 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:10 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
559. "dumb logic wins again"
In response to Reply # 543


  

          

why it gotta be a gay guy tho?

Is the woman in the OP (or women in general for that matter) being approached by "gay girls"?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:15 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
564. "yes, gay butch girls do try to holler and can be very agressive"
In response to Reply # 559


  

          

the difference in the fear is that we can probably have a chance to whoop her ass if need be.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:27 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
574. "it has to be a gay guy because you could"
In response to Reply # 559


  

          

be hubby.

It has to be a man who is showing sexual or relationship aggression ("catcalling") you. I assert that if and when straight guys are catcalled by gay men by and large they don't like it. But if you feel that you should be able to escape their unwanted pursuit then women should be able to escape your/our unwanted pursuit.

It's not just you, but every guy on the block that catcalls them. And it's not even just them because you'd catcall any and every woman you'd want to land.

If men had to deal with that with the same level and intensity (as with if gay men pursued you the same way) then I'm sure you'd feel some kinda way about it.

And this is not to bash gay men in any way, it more to bash straight guys because a lot of times our straight male privilege doesn't allow for us to see things for the deeper further oppressed side. But when straight male privilege is checked and made to feel threatened then "we" become a situational victim. That's why it has to be a gay dude, because in catcalling it doesn't matter what you like.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
600. "Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? nm"
In response to Reply # 543


  

          

.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
617. "RE: Where's the "comfortable enough to see it as a compliment" option? n..."
In response to Reply # 600


  

          

That is fair. In positions where it's happened to me I have respectfully taken it that way too.

But it is not reality to be catcalled in that manner as a man at the same level women experience. At some point, as a human, it would go from an impromptu inconvenience tho flattering, to a recurring annoying harassment. I don't think as men we fully grasp the volume by which this happens to most women. It is literally inescapable on their scale.

What happens to us once in a blue moon happens to them at least once every time they go to the bodega to get a Blue Moon, and everywhere in between.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:10 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
560. "maybe."
In response to Reply # 524


  

          

>an innate fear of possibly being assaulted or what? Like, wat
>makes the holla so bad except for that possibility?

based on what i've heard and read, yes. that's the meat of the issue. but it's not just this.

it's also about a certain level of disrespect couched in the idea that men are entitled to a woman's time simply b/c the men are interested in the women either for sex or love. i see it where folks ask 'What does a guy do if he sees the woman of his dreams???'

>would the holla be more welcomed if that wasnt a factor?

maybe. however that factor can't be ignored or dismissed.

>Cus really, if the roles were reversed, I honestly cant see
>how this would be a prollem for a man

it's a problem for us gay men. street harassment ain't just about the holla it's also about threats and snide comments and stuff. so it's about those comments i've heard when i've walked the street w/my sig other. ppl shaking their heads, sucking their teeth, saying 'That's a damn shame' or 'Fucking faggots'. it's about ppl throwing bottles at me and the homies from passing cars b/c they see we're gay. that's all harassment.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Hitokiri
Charter member
22103 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:53 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
583. "For the roles to truly be reversed, we'd have to live in a system"
In response to Reply # 524


  

          

Where women historically held the power and used that power to subjugate men.

It would be problematic then. I promise.

>Cus really, if the roles were reversed, I honestly cant see
>how this would be a prollem for a man

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
kayru99
Member since Jan 26th 2004
16105 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:41 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
622. "Ok. It's a fear for their safety thing, partly"
In response to Reply # 524


          

A LOT of dudes are outta pocket around women.

A LOT

can't quantify how many, but it's real as shit.

So, trying to differentiate between creep life dude, chill dude, and rapist is impossible, for a lot of people. And really, it shouldn't be a woman's responsibility.

Thing is, there's a ton of cultural ideas at play that influence all of this that may make it more than a little bit difficult to address, let alone end this type of behavior




  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Playa_Politician
Member since Jul 29th 2006
5495 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:36 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
531. "She fine tho, not saying it's ok to cat call but i would've stole a glan..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

--sig--
n/a

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
ScooterBug
Member since Oct 17th 2003
2057 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 10:55 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
547. ""Wearing jeans and a crewneck t shirt" they left out some parts lol"
In response to Reply # 531


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SimplyHannah
Member since Aug 09th 2009
7226 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:11 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
561. "And after reading the YouTube comments...."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I noticed that a considerable number of them were about the way she was dressed. " she wouldn't be getting that type of attention if she wasn't dressed that way, so clearly she's asking for it and trolling for attention." Wow so wearing jeans and a t shirt is considered provocative and attention seeking? It just blows my mind because jeans and t shirt is typical wear for women from elementary school aged girls to seniors. Like the fuck she spose to wear? Sweats and a hijab? And even then women that live in countries where are they are fully clothed, wearing Hijabs and loosely fitted clothing are still subjected to harassment and sometimes even violence. So it really dosent matter what you have on, I wish they'd kill that sentiment. Some men need to wake up realize that majority of women are not dressing for you. You shouldn't have to dress a certain way in order to feel less threatened while minding your business. I can't imagine waking up daily and wondering what I need to wear in order to be left alone.

Can't say that Ive had lots of experiences with street harassment because I don't walk the streets. But God bless the women that do. Sheesh

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:31 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
576. "MORE VIDEOS:"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/video/

^ Outside NYC.

unattractive women.

white men.

it's all there.

this issue is not about Shoshanna or that video. it's bigger than that.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:44 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
579. "If I street holler...IT'S BECAUSE ITS THE LAST OPTION!!!"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Oct-29-14 11:44 AM by DVS

  

          

If I've seen you before....I know how to approach in a mutually acceptable setting where you'll feel more comfortable.

But if I'm street hollering...it means that

a) I've probably never seen you before
b) I doubt we have the commonality where our paths will cross paths again and...
3) I got one shot, and about 5-10 seconds to make myself known or I'm going to kick myself for not saying anything.

Now, you think dudes aren't factoring in that you get approached/hollered at RELENTLESSLY by those who don't have that type of code?

C'mon yo.

This video highlighted the extremes.

Most of the dudes shown in it have no sense of style of approach AT ALL...

But y'all cannot be fucking serious with this "DON'T TALK TO ME IN THE STREETS AT ALL!!" shit....

I'm sleep tho.

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:50 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
581. "^^^ THIS IS ALL I'M SAYING"
In response to Reply # 579


  

          

>But y'all cannot be fucking serious with this "DON'T TALK TO
>ME IN THE STREETS AT ALL!!" shit....

^^ That's what I'm saying.

DVS, don't say hi, good morning, good evening, or make eye contact at all because they'll think you are monster out to commit sexually deviant acts.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:57 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
585. "women are like buses b/w there's other fish in the sea"
In response to Reply # 579


  

          

A: if you miss one there's another coming in 15 minutes.

B: in the sea, that is.

>But if I'm street hollering...it means that
>
>a) I've probably never seen you before
>b) I doubt we have the commonality where our paths will cross
>paths again and...
>3) I got one shot, and about 5-10 seconds to make myself known
>or I'm going to kick myself for not saying anything.

too bad. get over it. see also: buses and fish.

>But y'all cannot be fucking serious with this "DON'T TALK TO
>ME IN THE STREETS AT ALL!!" shit....

bro, the bad apples seem to have ruined the bunch when it comes to street hollas and some women.

fear not. all is not lost. even women who ask not to be approached on the street agree that there are public spaces where they're fine w/being approached. and i think those women would not be offended by a simple smile at them.

but the urgency you presented above - that's a big part of the problem. the idea that a guy HAS TO APPROACH b/c he only has ONE SHOT and may kick himself later if doesn't take it. that's his problem, not hers. and that's not a good reason to approach a woman w/any aggressiveness. it's a good reason to smile at a woman though.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:09 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
596. "I don't see how I'm wrong for taking a shot"
In response to Reply # 585


  

          

my thing is if I holler...I'm not trying to fuck. Being OPEN to fucking and actively pursuing it are two different things.

Based off that video...I don't care how fine she was...I wouldn't have approached. She was moving too fast and any approach (to me) would seem overly aggressive.

Regardless of whose problem it is...I'm not about to be demonized for trying to get to know someone. As long as I do it in a respectful manner and am as unobtrusive as possible....it is what it is.

If we lived in a world where women were as willing to holler at a man THEY see in the streets, I probably wouldn't feel like it's "move it or lose it"

But we don't live there. So it is what it is.

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:13 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
601. "you're not wrong, DVS. this isn't about you."
In response to Reply # 596
Wed Oct-29-14 12:14 PM by SoWhat

  

          

>my thing is if I holler...I'm not trying to fuck. Being OPEN
>to fucking and actively pursuing it are two different things.

oh stop. you don't holler at women you don't want to fuck. you don't holler at men b/c you don't want to fuck them.

'want to fuck' doesn't mean you're ready to bone right at that moment. it means you are 'open to fucking'. it's the same thing.

>Based off that video...I don't care how fine she was...I
>wouldn't have approached. She was moving too fast and any
>approach (to me) would seem overly aggressive.

good.

>Regardless of whose problem it is...I'm not about to be
>demonized for trying to get to know someone.

get out of your feelings. it's not about you.

As long as I do
>it in a respectful manner and am as unobtrusive as
>possible....it is what it is.

'unobtrusive as possible'...that's the key here.

i keep going back to the ol' smile and nod b/c that's unobtrusive as possible, as i see it. i read that here:

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/how-to-talk-to-women/

>If we lived in a world where women were as willing to holler
>at a man THEY see in the streets, I probably wouldn't feel
>like it's "move it or lose it"
>
>But we don't live there. So it is what it is.

grow beyond your feelings. get into empathizing w/women.

don't be defensive. you're not being demonized.

try this too:

http://www.stopstreetharassment.org/resources/male-allies/educating-boys-men/

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
607. "you say it isn't about me...but it is."
In response to Reply # 601


  

          

the side effect of this "Street Holler" shit is the shit I go through on the train.

Let me not return this nigga's "Hello" because he might be trying to holler
Oh shit...let me move away from this nigga because he may be trying to holler.
Let me sneer at this nigga to make sure that he doesn't try to holler.

Dude...the levels of disdain and animosity I feel on a day to day basis...and I'm not even the nigga trying to holler anymore?!?

This post is just illuminating a very big difference between the male/female (and specifically black male/female) dynamic that's out of wack.

I can't even put into words how much this shit pisses me off.

I understand the point of some of the ladies in here...but there is a flip side of it...f'real.

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
628. "LMAO POOOR YOU"
In response to Reply # 607
Wed Oct-29-14 12:53 PM by teefiveten

  

          

>the side effect of this "Street Holler" shit is the shit I go
>through on the train.
>
>Let me not return this nigga's "Hello" because he might be
>trying to holler
>Oh shit...let me move away from this nigga because he may be
>trying to holler.
>Let me sneer at this nigga to make sure that he doesn't try to
>holler.
>
>Dude...the levels of disdain and animosity I feel on a day to
>day basis...and I'm not even the nigga trying to holler
>anymore?!?
>
>This post is just illuminating a very big difference between
>the male/female (and specifically black male/female) dynamic
>that's out of wack.
>
>I can't even put into words how much this shit pisses me off.
>
>
>I understand the point of some of the ladies in here...but
>there is a flip side of it...f'real.
>

you know the flip side is for you and your brethren to not do the street hollers, right?

you want us to disarm so you can holler and not feel dirty about it. but the behavior still persists. LMAO. LMAO. LMAO.

point is, we are walking down the street. we just want to walk. we don't want to talk. same girl you see that you *think* you have a chance with because you've seen her before-why didn't you holler in that place you saw her before? and if that place was the street, you know it's possible you may see her off the street, right? like at a bar? and you do know that you can meet other women at bars and other social spaces too right? ones even more attractive?

y'all continue to want to assert that your right to speak to us trumps our desire to be left alone. that's really sickening.





>D
>

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                        
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:38 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
648. "'cause obviously speak for all of "we", right?"
In response to Reply # 628


  

          

man, please.

You can be sensitive to women dealing with unwanted advances...but the flipside of dudes constantly feeling animosity and disdain from women for no fucking reason...that's our fault too, right?

i bring forth some salient points and that's all you got?

unsurprising.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                            
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
654. "**WOOSH**"
In response to Reply # 648
Wed Oct-29-14 01:59 PM by teefiveten

  

          

>man, please.
>
>You can be sensitive to women dealing with unwanted
>advances...but the flipside of dudes constantly feeling
>animosity and disdain from women for no fucking
>reason...that's our fault too, right?
>
>i bring forth some salient points and that's all you got?
>
>unsurprising.

you missed my point
the reason we feel like that is because of how your brethren act

clearly asking y'all to stop, which we have been doing in this thread, is going over your head

you want us to stop feeling threatened but you aren't suggesting that dudes stop the threatening behavior

HOW DOES THAT WORK?

the problem in this scenario isnt that women are treating you with disdain. the disdain isn't unwarranted. the disdain is coming from the street harrassment. meaning the overall condition of street harassment, not some I HATE DVS HE'S A STREET HARASSER conspiracy you seem to think exists

how do you stop the disdain? STOP THE STREET HARRASSMENT


*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:48 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
656. "HELLO."
In response to Reply # 654


  

          

damn.

lol

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:54 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
661. "basically he wants us to and grin and smile and love it"
In response to Reply # 656
Wed Oct-29-14 01:56 PM by teefiveten

  

          

and be friendly and stop looking at him all mean poor baby

but he doesnt think his behavior has to change. LMAO.


i gotta stop responding. i came here b/c my job is nuts right now and needed the escape but clearly what i need is to just take a walk.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:57 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
664. "i just saw the man of my dreams on the street!"
In response to Reply # 661


  

          

the guy from the train. i see him everyday. i've smiled at him and he's not returned it in a manner that invites a holla. so i don't holla at him. and i didn't just now though we walked for 4 blocks in the same direction. i left him alone w/o telling him how beautiful his ass is in them pants or how much i like his hair cut or how i wonder what's in his bag and hey boy do fries go w/that shake? i didn't do that stuff though i felt an URGE to do it. though i may not see him again until tmrw. though he may by HUSBAND. i left him alone b/c he has a right not to be bothered by me finding him beautiful.

but i'm gay.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:57 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
663. "I don't stand for it in my circle"
In response to Reply # 654


  

          

I don't associate with people who do it. Even the people at my job who stare at women on breaks know not to bring that shit to me because I'm not for it, I'm not in the market for it, and I find it distasteful.

What else is it I'm supposed to be doing, exactly?

THAT BEING SAID....I'm not against the street holla because I understand where it comes for and I've done it before.

So what else am i supposed to?

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:04 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
668. "*sigh*"
In response to Reply # 663


  

          

is it so hard to just get some confirmation of interest before you initiate w/the holla?

is it so hard to get that confirmation w/o being obtrusive?

you are not a villain. you're not a demon. you pick up on social cues. if you have ever caused a woman to fear for her safety b/c you approached her to say 'hello' or whatever you are hereby absolved.

you are concerned about creating that fear in women. you want to minimize the risk of creating that fear b/c even one woman feeling it by your action is too many.

you can minimize that risk by being less aggressive w/the initial contact. you haven't done wrong but you can do better by just backing off a bit on the street. just smile. don't even wave. if she smiles back or invites you somehow then go in w/the holla. if she doesn't then just leave her alone. you do this already and will keep doing it b/c you're a good guy. you were raised right. unfortunately, good guys like you have to bear the cost of bad guys in the world. it sucks, it ain't fair. it's life though. it's how we operate b/c we have empathy for others and can see beyond our own experience.

we empathize w/women here b/c we have power over them and we don't want to abuse it. we understand the playing field isn't level so what we feel when women clutch their purse ain't the same as what they feel when we approach them as strangers.

we can address our feelings about purse-clutching in some other forum. it's an issue collateral to this one. we can address that while also curbing street harassment and holla. the two are exclusive.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                                        
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:10 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
669. "thank you"
In response to Reply # 668


  

          

i mean really a smile or a wave can go a long way

shit a dude waved at me in a car today. and i thought i knew him so i waved back. if he had come at me w/ more i would have managed it because i did wave at him lol.

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:31 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
642. "it's about them."
In response to Reply # 607
Wed Oct-29-14 01:31 PM by SoWhat

  

          

that's why i say it's not about you.

it's not about what motivates you to holler.

it's not about what you'll feel if you don't holler.

it's not about how you feel when ppl clutch their purse in the elevator or on the train.

the solution here isn't for women to accept street hollas so your feelings aren't bruised. this issue is about them, not you.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
teefiveten
Member since Oct 02nd 2008
33019 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
602. "i see what you did there"
In response to Reply # 585


  

          


>B: in the sea, that is.


#jam

*************************************
like.me
http://tinyurl.com/3z8486u

"if the children are not initiated into the village they will burn it down just to feel its warmth." - african proverb

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
atruhead
Charter member
85230 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
611. "if women are like fish"
In response to Reply # 585


  

          

how is speaking on the street any different than throwing bait to see what you'll catch?

and how is a man fishing to eat any different than a man speaking to make the acquaintance of a woman?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:32 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
643. "throw the bait w/a silent smile and nod."
In response to Reply # 611


  

          

if she takes that bait, try to reel her in w/'hello' or 'good morning' or whatever.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
decaturpsalm
Member since Apr 24th 2005
19268 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:58 AM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
586. "but you might rape them after you say hello"
In response to Reply # 579


  

          

you have to consider that
we arent capable of not raping and killing women
ya know
were not evolved enough to know when someone is not interested
so we rape them
thats why we shouldnt holler on the streets
we cant control ourselves man
just deal with it and stop talking to women on the street
i think i feel a rape urge coming on right now
wanna join me?


this my sowhat impression

_______________________________________
touched like midas these bitch ass niggas they study and bite us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:05 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
594. "LMAO! ikr? the fucking absurdity of it all."
In response to Reply # 586


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:07 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
595. "pretty poor impression."
In response to Reply # 586


  

          

it's more like:

the woman doesn't know where the encounter is going. she doesn't know that you won't rape her. or that you won't hit her. or that you won't threaten her. or that you won't insult her. and why should she be subjected to that just b/c you think she's fine? just b/c you might never see her again? why should she have to live w/that fear, even for a moment, just b/c she's got a nice body or face or is wearing a certain piece of clothing?

maybe her fear is unreasonable. b/c you won't rape her. but she doesn't know that. but her fear is pretty realistic considering the number of these encounters that end badly (murder, rape, battery, assault, robbery, public indecency, lewdness, rudeness).

but damn...the encounters go well sometimes. so what's a guy to do?

back off a bit. at least on the street. understand that some women you see who are fine as hell will pass you by. make an effort to put yourself in places and spaces where you can approach those fine women w/o putting them in reasonable apprehension of a bad outcome. stop relying on street hollas as a way to meet fine women. expand your experience. do better.

even a hunter in the woods can't shoot at deer everyday. he has to wait for deer hunting season. when it comes to hunting women, wait for the right time and place. the street is usually NOT it.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:19 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
603. "cause, news flash: WE LIVE IN A SCARY FUCKING WORLD!"
In response to Reply # 595


  

          

now if thats gonna cause the average female to "throw the baby out w/ the bathwater" sorta speak and view every. single. male. that attempts to catch her eye as a potential rapist/ maniac/woman-beating lunatic then so be it...but dont tell me I gotta clap to or facilitate their irrational paranoia.

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
646. "you don't have to, Somnus."
In response to Reply # 603


  

          

you can definitely operate w/o acknowledging women's experience. but you can't do that w/o negative consequence. like women thinking you're a fucking creep. or perv. or annoyance.

do you, bro.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:24 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
606. "I want you to give an actual example of this, because I don't think you ..."
In response to Reply # 595


  

          

back off a bit. at least on the street. understand that some women you see who are fine as hell will pass you by. make an effort to put yourself in places and spaces where you can approach those fine women w/o putting them in reasonable apprehension of a bad outcome. stop relying on street hollas as a way to meet fine women. expand your experience. do better.


so go ahead Will Smith enlighten us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:35 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
647. "fuck your want."
In response to Reply # 606


  

          


fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

                
Joe Corn Mo
Member since Aug 29th 2010
15139 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:39 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
649. "go to a bar or a church or a party or any of the millions of places "
In response to Reply # 606


  

          

where ppl are more open to talk
and less afraid of being dragged off into a corner an potentially raped.

even IF that is an irrational fear <------ see what I did there tek? read carefully bro.
it makes more sense to just not make somebody's day worse and not holler at them on the street.

just smile and don't say anything.
if she's interested, she'll holler back.

it's happened to me twice.
i smile.
she smiled.
she turned around and asked for the time.
i fucked her that night.


that's a crass example but you asked for it.
it's really not hard.


>back off a bit. at least on the street. understand that some
>women you see who are fine as hell will pass you by. make an
>effort to put yourself in places and spaces where you can
>approach those fine women w/o putting them in reasonable
>apprehension of a bad outcome. stop relying on street hollas
>as a way to meet fine women. expand your experience. do
>better.
>
>
>so go ahead Will Smith enlighten us.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:26 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
610. "what is the worst thing that happens if"
In response to Reply # 579


  

          

we miss out on these "opportunities" in the streets.

Granted MOST of these interactions don't end up in anything but mere harassment so they are game goofy.

What it DOES do however is put women in a class of fair game for which males can declare open season on them for the sake of "species propagation" and "life fulfillment".

But if you weren't to jump on those 5-10 second street hollas at every opportunity they come to you, what is the worst that could happen? Ultimately, you'd lose a chance to fuck those women. Period. Women who have basically demonstrated by ignoring you that they don't necessarily require that proposition of fucking you. They've already sentenced you but you want to appeal.

Point is, life would go on, and in a different social setting a woman WOULD maybe be open to you approaching her in that regard. Or on the street maybe a woman thinks you're attractive and slows up a bit, or pretends to be lost, or asks for the time to give you an in. Or she sees you and thinks you're cute, but not cute enough to be late for work and keeps it moving....either way, life and death don't depend on us trying to take every advantage of every moment.

It's not about you, cause you aren't the first and only person to say she's beautiful or tell her to smile, and you won't be the last. It is so dehumanizing and reducing cause that "hello" really means "DAMN TITTIES", cause that is literally all you know about that person.

Maybe we aren't exactly doing THEM any favors with our incessant interjections, is all I'm saying.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Case_One
Charter member
54687 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 11:51 AM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
582. "So the Street Holla is the new social issue / focused cause. "
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Oct-29-14 11:55 AM by Case_One

          

The Street Holla has been going on world wide since the first foot prints were made on the earth.

Geesh. What next?



.
.
.
.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

PoppaGeorge
Member since Nov 07th 2004
10384 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
588. "one thing I gotta know about this whole shit though..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

has any other thread done number like this??? 590 replies at the time I hit "reply"

... maybe the "Gone Appreciation" thread that didn't want to die???

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Hitokiri
Charter member
22103 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:02 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
589. "There are so many shameful comments made by men in this post"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

I can't even...

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Soon
Member since Jul 02nd 2007
17996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:03 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
591. "This shit is a trainwreck."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

http://twitter.com/RSoon
http://soonsounds.com <--- Peace for the Fiery Heart
https://soundcloud.com/marianmereba/blue-for-mr-green-real-soon

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Case_One
Charter member
54687 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:11 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
598. "LOL.. You are crazy... "
In response to Reply # 591


          


.
.
.
.
.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Soon
Member since Jul 02nd 2007
17996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
604. "Man we're covering the gamut in this one."
In response to Reply # 598


  

          

I'd like to think that most guys know how to talk to women in civilized and pleasant fashion on the street, hollaholla or not, and I'm sure plenty do. But while some of the responses in this post are reasonable and sane (with multiple perspectives), some of them make me really REALLY hope I never have a daughter.


And a bunch of threads are piles of clashing extremism that read more like trolls trying to troll trolls than any possible serious discussion.


It's a lot. Cats need to have some tea or some shit.


http://twitter.com/RSoon
http://soonsounds.com <--- Peace for the Fiery Heart
https://soundcloud.com/marianmereba/blue-for-mr-green-real-soon

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Kira
Member since Nov 14th 2004
28842 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:12 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
599. "Can this post be archived, please?"
In response to Reply # 591


  

          

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Phenomenality
Charter member
31246 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:23 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
605. "On this issue of a simple "hello" being harrassment....... "
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

to those who say, "but its only hello"..

yes.. it is SAD that human beings greeting one another as they pass is now harassment..

but its a direct result of people not being able to read basic social cues, or worse, blatantly ignoring them.

and purposefully ignoring obvious body language and social cues with intent to approach is undeniably harassment.

keep your (friendly and non-agenda) hello and have a nice day to the women who are walking with their head up, making eye contact and smiling as they walk by. by all means, if someone is obviously open to you, say hello.. its how humans, a social species, interact normally.

but if someone is walking with a purpose, or with their head down, or not making eye contact, or has headphones on, or is on their phone, or is sitting reading, or any other action or stance that shows they are not looking forward with pleasurable anticipation to your advances..

then they are NOT opening themselves to your communication. ANY of it. and if you are forcing your interaction on someone who is obviously not looking for it.. that is the very definition of harassment.

just look for that.
see it.

use basic reasoning and deduction to know if someone is looking for reciprocatable communication or not and RESPECT it.

its really not that complicated.


...

Vee is I and I am She

...

http://twitter.com/#!/Phenomenality
http://instagram.com/therealphenomenality
http://phenomenality.tumblr.com/archive

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
613. "For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the time"
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

Me: "Hey, what's up brother"
Him: "Hey my brother...have a good day"

or the simple eye contact/head nod.

I can say that 70 to 80% of the time....

Me: "Good morning, sister"
Her: ...................

or

Eye contact/head nod

Her: **stares in the other direction and ignores your existence**

The two other brothers I just greeted this morning didn't accuse me of sexual harassment...

I'm SO VERY sleep tho

D

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Phenomenality
Charter member
31246 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:34 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
618. "Read my reply right aboves... I bet you didn't say hello to a man who"
In response to Reply # 613


  

          

did not make eye contact with you..

i bet you don't holler out "hey whats up brother" to men walking past that are not looking at you.. you say hello when eyes meet.

making eye contact is a social cue that says you are open to communication.

you dont go around saying whats up to random dudes that pass you unless they look AT you to signal they are acknowledging you.

that is the difference.



>Me: "Hey, what's up brother"
>Him: "Hey my brother...have a good day"
>
>or the simple eye contact/head nod.
>
>The two other brothers I just greeted this morning didn't
>accuse me of sexual harassment...
>
>I'm SO VERY sleep tho
>
>D


...

Vee is I and I am She

...

http://twitter.com/#!/Phenomenality
http://instagram.com/therealphenomenality
http://phenomenality.tumblr.com/archive

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Hitokiri
Charter member
22103 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:38 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
620. "Dingding!"
In response to Reply # 618


  

          

--

"You can't beat white people. You can only knock them out."

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
MiracleRic
Member since Oct 21st 2002
45200 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:28 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
640. "this is my general rule of thumb"
In response to Reply # 618


  

          

but i don't think it's as one-size-fits-all a rule as it seems

i don't make eye contact with people i don't notice...doesn't mean i'm not open to communication with them...

but from a general stance...i think that's a good starting point for appropriate street/stranger communication

the only issue i have with it is men will still be socialized to take risks...especially in the pursuit of sex or even simply attention...

cars and money is really the only "passive" modes men have of attracting...and men are socialized to use active aggression (ranging from harmless to creepy to beyond) to pursue that attention

it also doesn't necessarily address the irrational (yet very tangible) fear of men as predators...a polite man or a man who obeys social cues can still flip out on someone that rejects their advances...even if the eye contact test was passed

there are other issues with it as well but i think social cues and lack of general empathy are only parts of this whole thing...it's a big messy puzzle...how do we change that socialization?



Let me sport my Air Hyperbole 2010s in peace. (c) ansomble

Building repetoires (c) spm since 1983

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:52 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
659. "you obviously don't know me very well"
In response to Reply # 618


  

          

what I have NEVER done is said hello to someone who refuses to see me...but I talk to people whether they make eye contact with me or not all the time.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:55 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
662. "why?"
In response to Reply # 659


  

          

>I talk to people whether they make eye contact
>with me or not all the time.

why do you do this?

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:33 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
644. "RE: For the record, Men say hello to other men they don't know all the t..."
In response to Reply # 613
Wed Oct-29-14 01:35 PM by Mr. ManC

  

          

Because it's not about you.

Most dudes say whats up to each other and the "hello" is not sexualized. Yall say whats up on the basis of acknowledgment of mutual human existence.

Women do the same with each other, because by and large their hellos are not sexualized.

However, in the intersectionality of a woman's existence, your hello, as innocent as it may be, is based on a sexualized connotation. If you pass a woman, get eye contact, say hello, and she says hello back and you find her cute, 9 times out of 10 your NEXT thought is "oh shit, I might could fuck too". And women know this, which is why as social human beings they know to not give you an "in" is to protect their infringement on their personhood, therefore she will dismiss any attention because to acknowledge sometimes at all is to give you a green light to go forward with anything beyond "hello".

How many dudes when you say "whats up" and they say "whats up? Have a nice day" in response make you u-turn on some "shit bruh was kinda cute. I might can fuck"? I'm assuming zero. The fact that your hello is sexualized by nature has been socialized into our society, and it is inescapable for women. Even in the video most "hi/hello"s where sexually charged because it is attached to their sexual appraisal of her. That entire assessment ritual and system is based in sexism, misogyny, and patriarchy. Period. Surely, we as a society of men and women, gay and straight and asexual, and everything in between can reconstruct how our society functions in which we ALL can have our voices heard.





________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

F_ECM
Member since Sep 07th 2011
38 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:30 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
614. "You can tell all the reasonable men in the world to back off street holl..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

but ultimately you will never reach the crazies. Men who want to rape, physically abuse, stalk, verbally attack are not going be dissuaded by the PC police. People that badger women on the street tend to have nothing to lose and that is who this message is supposed to be getting to but this is a mental issue that will not be solved on the internet.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
DVS
Member since Sep 13th 2002
19730 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:32 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
616. "^^i think this is my stop. GNIGHT!!^^ nm"
In response to Reply # 614


  

          

.

vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Waldorf and Statler Vol 4:CONAN IS OUT NOW!!!: http://waldorfandstatler.bandcamp.com

and don't forget to check "DVS 4 ALDERMAN"

http://windimoto.bandcamp.com/album/dvs-4-alderman-bandcamp-exclusive-expanded-editio

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
sixteenstone
Member since Sep 22nd 2002
27996 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:36 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
619. "I guess we should just give up and take it then"
In response to Reply # 614


  

          

Never mind trying to reach some people and maybe teach the youth about different approaches in the future.
Nothing, ever at all changes, so just sit back and do nothing and let it continue. Gothca.

Remember Novemthree's Courage...
visit on the web:www.16stonevintage.com
like on facebook: https://www.facebook.com/16stonevintage
follow on instagram: http://instagram.com/sixteenstone http://instagram.com/vintageblkmags/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
F_ECM
Member since Sep 07th 2011
38 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
623. "But you are looking at 1 symptom of a much larger problem..."
In response to Reply # 619


  

          

To just say stop street harassment is failing to ask why is there street harassment? Is it feasible to end street harassment? And if so how?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:53 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
660. "^ brand new."
In response to Reply # 623


  

          

>To just say stop street harassment is failing to ask why is
>there street harassment?

b/c the ppl who harass feel entitled to harass others.

Is it feasible to end street
>harassment?

yes.

>And if so how?

find appropriate places and times to speak to strangers.

if approaching a stranger on the street do so in a least obtrusive manner first. preferably some silent social cue like a smile.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Phenomenality
Charter member
31246 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
621. "#605"
In response to Reply # 614


  

          


...

Vee is I and I am She

...

http://twitter.com/#!/Phenomenality
http://instagram.com/therealphenomenality
http://phenomenality.tumblr.com/archive

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
falafel stand pimpin
Member since Dec 26th 2006
4381 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
626. "*looks at your avatar*"
In response to Reply # 621


          

god bless you mami
and have a nice day

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

            
Somnus
Member since Jun 25th 2012
3555 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:53 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
629. "HA!"
In response to Reply # 626


  

          

________________________________________________

The ULTIMATE negation of everything.

The space between despair and orgasm is hard to fill ~ Maron

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
F_ECM
Member since Sep 07th 2011
38 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:59 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
632. "So..."
In response to Reply # 621


  

          

what percentage of daily "hollas" would you say are from otherwise well adjusted men?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

DaHeathenOne76
Member since May 11th 2003
29362 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 12:54 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
630. "The entitlement is off the charts"
In response to Reply # 0


          

Some of yall are playing obtuse for the sake of poasting.

and just so you know SOUTHERN CULTURE is grounded in male entitlement as well.

You know proper southern belles speak when spoken too, its just polite...
*****************************************
http://prettyperiod.me/

http://youtu.be/u8bIK3bWgog<;--HAHA

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

astralblak
Member since Apr 05th 2007
20029 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:13 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
634. "hey bros, Shoshanna gettin' Rape threats, cause you know"
In response to Reply # 0
Wed Oct-29-14 01:13 PM by astralblak

  

          

harassment isn't linked to rape in any way, like at all, nahmeannahimsayin

http://www.vox.com/2014/10/29/7088867/catcall-video-hollaback-rape-threats

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Hibo
Charter member
7982 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:18 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
635. "Haven't seen the video but"
In response to Reply # 0


          

From my experience I think women are being overly sensitive
Having lived in NYC I was barely harassed and if I was I took it as a compliment and said thanks....don't know why that is maybe I just have a dontwantnoneofthat kinda face
Now that I'm back living in places where men don't even approach you at bars a bit of street hollering is refreshing

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
select_from_where
Member since Jan 03rd 2011
4342 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:21 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
636. "wooooooooooooooo (c) Rick Flair"
In response to Reply # 635
Wed Oct-29-14 01:21 PM by select_from_where

  

          

Honestly tho, why do you think the ladies are overreacting?

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

        
Hibo
Charter member
7982 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:47 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
655. "First I think Americans complain for no godamn reason"
In response to Reply # 636


          

About little shit .....
Second average or below average women will always have street hollers just because men think they have a shot....but those women in turn complain about because they're telling ppl how desirable they are on the sly loooool I don't fucking know
But what I do know is y'all need to get over it cuz ain't nobody hollering at you outside of the US
Yes it's a US board yada yada yada

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Loosie
Member since Sep 30th 2012
654 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:50 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
657. "U like that black person that tells their YT friends they can say "nigga..."
In response to Reply # 635


  

          

And wonder why other black folks are "so sensitive".

Just because you enjoy it doesn't mean most women do.

Fight me.

***
We birds fly...
www.liligi.com

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Damali
Member since Sep 12th 2002
35863 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:01 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
666. "you should, then..because your response is a bit judge-y"
In response to Reply # 635


          

>From my experience I think women are being overly sensitive

ok look at what you wrote..."from my experience"

and below, you made it quite clear that you have barely, if ever, experienced street harassment

so it's quite honestly really sad to see you dismiss the first-hand experiences of other women that this has happened to...and then to say they are being overly sensitive about something YOU YOURSELF HAVE BARELY EXPERIENCED

i mean, really really examine what you're saying here...your lack of empathy is astounding.

shit..

d

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Teknontheou
Charter member
32709 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 02:03 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy listClick to send message via AOL IM
667. "NERL"
In response to Reply # 635


  

          

I guess it takes a 6x Plat post to bring past A listers back. Maybe hyp will show up too.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Buddy_Gilapagos
Charter member
49394 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:27 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
639. "My man said saying hello is "dehumanizing", "offensive"..."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

and "sexually charged".

I think these post are good for raising awareness and making dudes more thoughtful out in the streets about how they interact with women but I don't think anyone will be able to persuade most people (including women) that saying hello is offensive. Even if we are aware that the dude is doing it because the woman is attractive and wouldn't do it to a dude.


**********
"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson

http://blackpeopleonlocalnews.tumblr.com/

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
Mr. ManC
Member since Jan 26th 2009
11819 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:40 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
650. "644. but look at "my man said" -"
In response to Reply # 639
Wed Oct-29-14 01:42 PM by Mr. ManC

  

          

It aint even about ME saying it.

WOMEN are saying it. That should be all that matters.

I'll definitely advocate on their behalf tho.

________________________________________________
R.I.P. Soulgyal <3
SUPA NERD LLC.
Knowledge Meets Nature
Musica Negra
#13irteen

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

    
SoWhat
Charter member
154163 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:43 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
652. "you are too old to be this fucking whiny."
In response to Reply # 639
Wed Oct-29-14 01:47 PM by SoWhat

  

          

stop whining about ppl's unwillingness to act brand new about 'hello'.

sorry that ppl are wise to the fact that 'hello' usually ain't just 'hello'. 'hello' often means 'I think you are beautiful and I would have sex with you'. 'hello' is bait.

what you cannot seem to accept is that women have the RIGHT not to hear fucking 'hello' from you or anyone. that you don't have a right to force 'hello' on them. THAT is why 'hello' is dehumanizing. it's the force behind it. the assumption behind it. the refusal to leave her the hell alone w/o your 'hello' - that's dehumanizing.

STOP YOUR GODDAMN WHINING ABOUT THIS 'HELLO' SHIT.

fuck you.

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Binlahab
Charter member
182954 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:46 PM

Click to send email to this author Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
653. "im absolutely agog that this is still being discussed like this."
In response to Reply # 0


  

          

smh


does it really matter?

for all my fans who keep my name in their mouth: http://i.imgur.com/v2xNOpS.jpg

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

murph71
Member since Sep 15th 2005
23113 posts
Wed Oct-29-14 01:52 PM

Click to send private message to this authorClick to view this author's profileClick to add this author to your buddy list
658. "wow..."
In response to Reply # 0


          

Holy shit at this clusterfuck of a thread...

GOAT of his era......long live Prince.....God is alive....

  

Printer-friendly copy | Top

Lobby General Discussion General Discussion Archives topic #195253 Previous topic | Next topic
Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.25
Copyright © DCScripts.com