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beeinfinite
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"no love for UFC on okp?"


          

massive ppv event this saturday, no fans around here?

  

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weve come and gone and come again
Nov 05th 2021
1
i think casual fan interest in the ufc has declined.
Nov 05th 2021
2
I lost a bit of interest when racism and assholery became a selling poin...
Nov 05th 2021
6
i can't stand conor
Nov 06th 2021
7
maybe ufc never could be as mainstream as they thought
Nov 07th 2021
12
      You have literally no idea what you’re talking about
Nov 10th 2021
25
           if you don't like it, then that's your personal opinion
Nov 10th 2021
26
                you're saying what you think, not what you know
Nov 10th 2021
34
                     there's plenty of evidence since they're facts
Nov 12th 2021
49
Boxing has seen a mighty resurgence and has reclaimed
Nov 05th 2021
3
what boxing doesn't have is real competition
Nov 10th 2021
29
I wonder how much money ESPN is losing with their UFC deal.
Nov 05th 2021
4
I think it's been pretty decent for ESPN and driven ESPN+ subs
Nov 05th 2021
5
I watch the prelims then I’m out.
Nov 06th 2021
8
Stephen A doing UFC analysis. Come on.
Nov 06th 2021
9
the black champs arent properly promo'd so the product feels
Nov 06th 2021
10
ufc is driven by personality, not race
Nov 10th 2021
30
That may be the best show they’ve ever done
Nov 07th 2021
11
Cheers Kamaru
Nov 07th 2021
13
I don’t think Usman ever REALLY feared Colby’s power
Nov 07th 2021
14
RE: I don’t think Usman ever REALLY feared Colby’s power
Nov 07th 2021
15
      I was curious about seeing the scorecards
Nov 07th 2021
16
           I had it 2-2 going into the 5th
Nov 07th 2021
17
                RE: I had it 2-2 going into the 5th
Nov 07th 2021
18
                     ah the stream chat I was in was pushing round 1 as a 10-8 too
Nov 07th 2021
20
                     yup, agreed
Nov 09th 2021
22
All of those Colby Colby chants really got under my skin
Nov 07th 2021
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      that’s just the avg paying ufc fan :/
Nov 07th 2021
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      colby is playing the heel to generate sales
Nov 09th 2021
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      That makes it so much worse.
Nov 09th 2021
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           nah, colby is well respected in the ufc
Nov 10th 2021
28
                The fact that you support him says everything about you.
Nov 10th 2021
31
                     what makes you think i support him?
Nov 10th 2021
32
                          The fact that you think he's "playing" and has a"true self"
Nov 10th 2021
33
                               if you do your racisms in public for money, then that's who you are
Nov 10th 2021
35
                               I think there's a point where the "gimmick" stops being a gimmick
Nov 10th 2021
36
                               he's said a lot of silly shit, no doubt
Nov 10th 2021
37
                                    You just can't help yourself. Even your word choice tells on you.
Nov 10th 2021
38
                                         so you got nothing except feelings, ok
Nov 10th 2021
39
                                              "undeniably"= you're looking for wiggle room for racist verbiage
Nov 10th 2021
40
                                                   so, nothing then?
Nov 10th 2021
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                                                        My words have said plenty.
Nov 10th 2021
42
                                                        your words said exactly nothing.
Nov 11th 2021
45
                                                        google still working. do some googling
Nov 10th 2021
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                                                             i don't toss the racist label out recklessly
Nov 11th 2021
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                                                                  you can dig a little deeper. you'll find it.
Nov 11th 2021
46
                                                                       can you give me a keyword i can search?
Nov 11th 2021
47
      except
Nov 10th 2021
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           oof but yea wasn't at all surprised by the chants just irked me a bit
Nov 11th 2021
48
Anyone seen Holloway vs Rodriguez? Crazy bout.
Nov 14th 2021
50
I won big on "Holloway to win in 4th, 5th, or by points"
Nov 15th 2021
51
      Would be nice to see Conor getting trashed again, I guess.
Nov 16th 2021
52
anyone watch Ngannou/Gane
Jan 23rd 2022
53
Last thing I had on my list was a Ngannou decision by out-grappling Gane
Jan 23rd 2022
54
Ngannou's interview with Helwani was pretty interesting.
Jan 27th 2022
55
      for all of his hubris, Dana White isn't going to let a draw HW leave
Jan 28th 2022
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           Is Francis a draw tho?
Jan 28th 2022
57
                I think they know Jon vs Francis is the biggest fight they can make rn
Feb 01st 2022
58
izzy cooned it up for rogan at the press conference.
Feb 11th 2022
59
Makes me more than happy to continue to pirate the UFC.
Feb 11th 2022
60
Yep. I haven’t paid for a PPV in almost 4 years I think
Feb 13th 2022
67
      Free prelims on PPV for me then I'm out.
Feb 13th 2022
69
the OP is probably jerking off to that as we speak
Feb 11th 2022
61
Last time they fought I was sweating
Feb 12th 2022
62
“UFC is for Skinheads” - Bob Arum
Feb 13th 2022
63
Then boxing is for old school racists like arum?
Feb 13th 2022
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      I’ve never heard Caleb Plant talking like Colby Covington
Feb 13th 2022
68
           The closest quick examples off the top of my head
Feb 13th 2022
71
                Very good point about Manny and Duterte, he skates under the radar alot
Feb 13th 2022
72
                mayweather wasn't showing up at campaign events man
Feb 14th 2022
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what did I say
Feb 13th 2022
64
      Something that was wrong?
Feb 13th 2022
65
           cool. so why aren't the ratings better?
Feb 14th 2022
77
Derrick Lewis got knocked out and Flair flopped it 😂
Feb 13th 2022
70
tired of being told Izzy is special, ready to be shown
Feb 14th 2022
73
it does seem like izzy has plateaued.
Feb 14th 2022
74
Agreed.
Feb 14th 2022
75
      his competition is no stiffer than Usman or even Oliveira's has been
Feb 14th 2022
76
Khamzat/Burns was fantastic.
Apr 09th 2022
79
A classic, and a great test for Khamzat BUT
Apr 09th 2022
80
      the maga promos gonna be outrageous
Apr 09th 2022
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      there’s something about Khamzat
Apr 10th 2022
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      khamzat was kinda saved by a gassed burns too.
Apr 10th 2022
90
           All good points. But Colby does lack significant power
Apr 10th 2022
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      i cant see khamzat (as currently constructed) beating colby.
Apr 10th 2022
89
bout to lose a small fortune on Petr Yan here
Apr 09th 2022
82
He's fighting too emotional, he just wants to take Sterling's head off
Apr 09th 2022
83
I thought Yan got 1, 4, and 5 …
Apr 09th 2022
84
      Yea I was rooting for Aljo
Apr 10th 2022
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           frank longo fighters tend to have low fight iq's lol.
Apr 10th 2022
91
           Great call on game plan. I don’t think Aljo actually had one.
Apr 10th 2022
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           Yep. Just look at Ray longo and you can tell hes washed lol
Apr 12th 2022
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                i called him frank longo lol.
Apr 13th 2022
100
                Aljo switched up opponents on Ariel Helwani's show
Apr 14th 2022
101
           As much as I want to celebrate
Apr 11th 2022
96
Dana looked like he was about to puke putting the belt on Sterling
Apr 09th 2022
85
Volk is like Yan 2.0
Apr 10th 2022
88
the humbled chimaev voice change is pretty funny.
Apr 10th 2022
92
Oddly I think Burns was more dangerous for him than Colby
Apr 10th 2022
93
Leon Edwards has be breathing so comfortably right now.
Apr 11th 2022
97
He deserves it, long overdue for Leon
Apr 11th 2022
98
Best possible fight on earth is Oliveira v Khabib
May 08th 2022
102

ShawndmeSlanted
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1. "weve come and gone and come again"
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there arent many UFC posts these days though the big events usually draw a few posts. Im pretty sure there was something the last time Usman beat Coby and when Izzy fights

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Reeq
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2. "i think casual fan interest in the ufc has declined."
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a few years ago i had ufc fight parties pretty regularly. now my friends never really call me to get together.

when dana/ufc brag about having the biggest year ever...its because of the broadcast/content deals (espn, bt sport, etc). thats where 85% of their revenue comes from. theyre not crushing ratings/ppv.

there was a bump in interest during the beginning of the pandemic. but that was because it was the only show going.

now theyve come back down to earth...except for events with their 1 true star (mcgregor).

the first usman/masvidal fight did over 1 mil with no sports counter programming during the pandemic. but the rematch card, with THREE title fights and the first american card with a full audience in attendance since the pandemic, did 200K LESS than the original usman/masvidal card (which pulled the main event together in only 6 days).

one of the summer ufc cards, which had the hottest young star in the org (adesanya), 2 title fights, and the return to the octagon of nick diaz, barely did 500K domestic ppv buys.

the ufc didnt even release (or leak) the last ngannou ppv rate. and that was his biggest and most hyped fight ever. safe to assume, the number was underwhelming.

and the last mcgregor fight, dana said the pre-buys were outpacing any card in ufc history and he was estimating a 2+ mil ppv buy rate. after the event, he had to humbly admit that the event was now looking at something closer to 1.6-1.7 mil. nothing to sneeze at (and any other fighter or boxer would kill for those numbers) but far below what they had been anticipating. which means a lot of fans sat out the event and didnt convert in the end.

as much as *i* like the ufc and watch just about every event in some way, a lot of people just dont care about shit like an usman/covington rivalry. and up and coming 'stars' like sean omalley, islam makhachev, and paddy pimblett arent exactly getting anyone outside the hardcore fanatics excited lol.

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GOMEZ
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6. "I lost a bit of interest when racism and assholery became a selling poin..."
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it's really hard to find fighters to root for or even care about. Maybe I shouldn't care about their shit outside the ring, but Jon Jones, Colby, Conor, Masvidal, on down the line are all pretty insufferable. The rest are just average run of the mill troop loving patriots. I'm not expecting fighters who rep bernie bros or whatever, but it's like hanging out with that annoying uncle who is always interjecting stupid politics. Like 'i thought i was just chilling and watching a fight, and now we're doing this shit?'

Dana also treats the talent as utterly disposable, so all around it just feels pretty gross.

Chael, Colby, and Connor all popped big by leaning into racism.

I still check if there's interesting fights from time to time, but don't have the same level of fandom I used to.


In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
-Hunter S. Thompson

  

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beeinfinite
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7. "i can't stand conor"
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i don't think he will win another fight ever again. but that aside, i don't pay attention to how much dana / the ufc is reporting for earnings. it is well established that dana is a complete douche who under pays his fighters. personally, it has nothing to do with the enjoyment/entertainment i get from watching. i don't tune in for the personalities, and although that adds some flavor sometimes, it's the last thing i'm personally keeping an eye out for when tuning in, although it is really satisfying watching a loud mouth get starched (masvidal).

i think the level of skill is increasing and i'm pretty excited about the current fighters and the new up and comers you have already mentioned, except for islam, this man puts me to sleep with everything he does. i'm sure he may be a decent draw in dubai but he has no chance anywhere else. he may be the most boring top level fighter ever, even his face puts me to sleep. another fighter to keep an eye on is jiří procházka.

this weekend, i can't call chandler vs justin but I think justin can do this if he survives the early onslaught, then, i got rose and usman. how about you?

  

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12. "maybe ufc never could be as mainstream as they thought"
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but being such a blatant pipeline to the right wing has done a lot to put a cap on interest

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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25. "You have literally no idea what you’re talking about "
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>but being such a blatant pipeline to the right wing has done
>a lot to put a cap on interest

Not everything is politics in life god damn

  

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Rjcc
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26. "if you don't like it, then that's your personal opinion"
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the facts of what it is

are different than your preference

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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34. "you're saying what you think, not what you know"
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you're working off of two batshit ideas

1) that the UFC is a conduit to the extreme right (seriously, what?)

2) that the UFC's alleged decline in popularity is a result of being a conduit to the extreme right

there's ZERO evidence to support either of those two claims.

The UFC roster has never been more diverse, and the sport is as popular as it's ever been overall despite not having a silver bullet A-list draw at the top. You don't know what you're talking about, it's that simple.

  

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49. "there's plenty of evidence since they're facts"
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Fri Nov-12-21 12:23 AM by Rjcc

          

also I didn't claim it declined in popularity (though it has, but not in the timeframe I'm talking about)

I said its popularity is capped.

there are black republicans and women republicans in congress, you want to tell me about the diversity of the lineup there and what that means about it not being right wing?

the only time someone would use that as an argument is when they know the facts are against them.


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3. "Boxing has seen a mighty resurgence and has reclaimed"
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Fri Nov-05-21 01:26 PM by allStah

          


its spot as a must watch combat sport. Boxing was making too many
pay per view fights, and a lot of those fights, even though they
were good fights, they weren't worth the pay per view cost. That
caused boxing to lose its core fan base, as well as casual fans.
A lot of those fans crossed over to watch MMA because it had become
very entertaining.


Boxing has since made a lot of championship fights available on
cable, and with espn and fox sports expanding its boxing coverage,
a lot of fans that they lost to MMA have gotten back into watching boxing.


Also, when PBF retired from boxing, there was a void left in the sport,and other than Canelo, there weren't any boxers to really
carry the sport. The rivalry between Fury and Wilder, and a new
golden generation of highly talented fighters such as Tank,Teofimo,haney,and Shakur have given new life to the sport.
They are now household names in the boxing world.


MMA is suffering from what boxing used to suffer from. They put
too many of their top fights on PPV, and they don't have any big
rivalries or names to pull in casual fans. Rhonda Rousey,
Gina Carano, Chuck Lidell, Rampage Jackson, and George St. Pierre
were highly entertaining and household names to the casual MMA fans. Even people who didn't watch the sport knew who they were just by seeing them on talk shows, and they were household names to the
casual MMA fan.


The organizer of the sport shouldn't be more famous than the
fighters or the product itself.





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beeinfinite
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29. "what boxing doesn't have is real competition"
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in the ufc, on any given night, an underdog could beat a champion

in boxing, a lot of top fighters pick bums on the way to the top and keep picking fights they know they can win, there are obviously a few that don't do this often, but it happens frequently and fighters like canelo are guilty of it

  

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4. "I wonder how much money ESPN is losing with their UFC deal."
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If I'm not mistaken, ESPN pays the UFC an upright cut of money regardless of PPV buys, which is the main reason Dana was alright with ESPN+ being the sole place to purchase PPV cards.


I have to imagine ESPN is losing a ton of money since not as many casual fans care about the sport compared to when the Fertita Brothers owned Zuffa and the promotion had personalities that helped make selling the cards much much easier.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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5. "I think it's been pretty decent for ESPN and driven ESPN+ subs"
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the little bit of coverage of seen on the deal kind of suggested that ESPN probably got a pretty decent deal. It drives subscribers and live viewership - both of which are pretty hard to come by.

In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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8. "I watch the prelims then I’m out."
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9. "Stephen A doing UFC analysis. Come on."
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10. "the black champs arent properly promo'd so the product feels"
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extremely hollow and uninteresting to the casual fan.

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beeinfinite
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30. "ufc is driven by personality, not race"
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conor had the biggest and loudest personality of them all

izzy has a big personality and gets tons of amazing top shelf promo

  

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11. "That may be the best show they’ve ever done"
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13. "Cheers Kamaru"
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>massive ppv event this saturday, no fans around here?
One of my favorite champs of all time.

Has become such a well rounded fighter with a balance of fighting smart and not just being a point fighter. As bad as Colby looked early on, I told my boy when round 2 ended, he should’ve gotten him out of there.

Most fighters who eat hat much shit and get dominated like that through two can’t ever turn the tide. Cody is good.

On that note I can’t believe so many people were vocally cheering for Colby. If you are vocally cheering for that dude I’m just gonna assume your a racist.

At least those who were cheering Last night were vaxxed racists lol

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14. "I don’t think Usman ever REALLY feared Colby’s power"
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He was getting tapped but he never got buzzed like he did against Gilbert Burns

I need to hear a round table conversation with Gaethje, Rose, Usman and Trevor Whitman. That man has helped those three ascend to another level, and they win fights intelligently but still fight with a violent spirit.

  

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15. "RE: I don’t think Usman ever REALLY feared Colby’s power"
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>He was getting tapped but he never got buzzed like he did
>against Gilbert Burns
>
>I need to hear a round table conversation with Gaethje, Rose,
>Usman and Trevor Whitman. That man has helped those three
>ascend to another level, and they win fights intelligently but
>still fight with a violent spirit.

He never feared it but in the late rounds he felt it. He was never close to getting stopped but look like he definitely got stunned or was stunned that he got hit and felt it lol.
It could’ve also been a combo of his gas tank wearing down, but he wears not being tired well.

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16. "I was curious about seeing the scorecards"
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And the broadcast narrative that Kamaru had to win round 5.
Looks like on two scorecards he didn’t have to and the fight was written by the time the 5th started unless Colby could KO.

I agree with the first and third scorecard. IMO you could’ve scored 3 for Colby, but he didn’t do enough there either and Kamaru still had the more effective shots. The wildest score I think is scoring round 5 for Colby

https://www.reddit.com/r/MMA/comments/qol534/ufc_268_official_scorecard_kamaru_usman_vs_colby/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf



>>He was getting tapped but he never got buzzed like he did
>>against Gilbert Burns
>>
>>I need to hear a round table conversation with Gaethje,
>Rose,
>>Usman and Trevor Whitman. That man has helped those three
>>ascend to another level, and they win fights intelligently
>but
>>still fight with a violent spirit.
>
>He never feared it but in the late rounds he felt it. He was
>never close to getting stopped but look like he definitely got
>stunned or was stunned that he got hit and felt it lol.
>It could’ve also been a combo of his gas tank wearing down,
>but he wears not being tired well.

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17. "I had it 2-2 going into the 5th"
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Usman got the first two, Colby got the second two
I saw a lot of folks saying you could give round one as a 10-8 but idk

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18. "RE: I had it 2-2 going into the 5th"
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Round 2 wa s the 10-8.

Seems like judges haven’t fully aligned on what 10-8 means.

He was wobbled twice and almost finished. I’d say that qualifies. If you were essentially saved by the bell, that’s a 10-8

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20. "ah the stream chat I was in was pushing round 1 as a 10-8 too"
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I missed the first 2 mins of that round so I figured something happened early

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22. "yup, agreed"
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19. "All of those Colby Colby chants really got under my skin"
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fuck that dude- big proppers to Usman for beating the shit out of that race-baiting con artist.

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21. "that’s just the avg paying ufc fan :/"
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If it wasn’t Colby it’d be some other average white fighter. thanks to them I finally know about the Let’s Go Brandon thing

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23. "colby is playing the heel to generate sales"
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nobody paid attention to him until he took on this incredibly polarizing persona

there are several interviews where he puts that away and he's not as infuriating

  

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24. "That makes it so much worse."
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28. "nah, colby is well respected in the ufc"
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he understands the business side well and found an angle to generate sales which will offer him a long and fruitful ufc career, he doesn't give a shit if his opinions irk you either

  

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31. "The fact that you support him says everything about you. "
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It's not at all a surprise.

You sure are walking, talking, and quacking like a certain duck.

  

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32. "what makes you think i support him?"
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because i'm able to accurately deduce what he is doing as a 10+ year fan of the ufc?

if it helps you sleep better at night, i was rooting for kamaru because i find colby's shtick annoying and i never bet against the champ

there are plenty of interviews with colby where he is being his true self and he's not the same man he presents to the world

if you're easily moved by public personas than you're going to have a hard time on this planet, but it sounds like you already do

  

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33. "The fact that you think he's "playing" and has a"true self""
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that doesn't say racist shit.

>because i'm able to accurately deduce what he is doing as a
>10+ year fan of the ufc?

We all see what he's doing.
It's an old ass playbook.

The difference is, you think he's "playing".

You don't think his racist dog whistling represent his "true self", and you think his "true self" is him when he isn't talking about tribes sending smoke signals.

You minimize the racist shit, and amplify the "normal" shit, as though they aren't emanating from the same person. You don't get to compartmentalize those parts.

But if he is just playing a part, and not just saying what he actually thinks, then that absolutely makes it worse.

Because that means he's willing to play into dog whistle racism for a buck, and he's selling out the "true" self who doesn't actually think that way. Nevermind the fact that none of this would make a lick of sense, and you'd be bending over backward to defend a racist.

I said that "playing" that racist is worse. your response to me was "nah, he's well respected in UFC, he understands the business side well and found an angle to generate sales which will offer him a long and fruitful ufc career, he doesn't give a shit if his opinions irk you either"

Sounds an awful lot like you are at least ok with that tact, which is tacit support of the tact at a minimum. There's no fence to ride there.

Of course, you then ended with this bullshit:

"if you're easily moved by public personas than you're going to have a hard time on this planet"

Nothing I've said even slightly indicates that I'm "easily moved by public personas". I'm merely observing what he's doing.

BUt the beauty here is, you can clear this up, and say, flat out, that you do not support the racist things he says, condemn them, and acknowledge that the moments where he's not saying racist shit do not undo or cancel the times where he does.

You can actively condemn his racist ways. So what will it be?

  

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35. "if you do your racisms in public for money, then that's who you are"
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it's not that people don't get what he's doing.

He might be an ok friend or family member to some folks, but if his net influence and contribution to the world is stoking up racism and resentment to sell a few more pay per views, then I'm ok saying homie is racist.

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36. "I think there's a point where the "gimmick" stops being a gimmick"
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WWE does gimmicks

Colby Covington saying shit like he's gonna ship Kumaru Usman back to Africa is pretty disgusting no matter how you slice it

  

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37. "he's said a lot of silly shit, no doubt"
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as i said, i find his shtick annoying af and was hoping to see him wake up on the canvas

for the sake of discussion, what did you think he said that was undeniably racist?

  

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38. "You just can't help yourself. Even your word choice tells on you."
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what do I "think" he said, that's "undeniably" racist?

That choice of "think" and "undeniably" says it all.

We're done here.

  

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39. "so you got nothing except feelings, ok"
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40. ""undeniably"= you're looking for wiggle room for racist verbiage"
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You chose the words you chose.

Most of these people speak in ways that allow for plausible deniability.

Oddly enough, a lot like you. The same "who, me?" shit, as though the lack of certain, more explicit terms, makes it not racist.

That shit fools nobody but themselves- and you. Birds of a feather, and all.

Because, the thing is, you hedged like a motherfucker here.

I said:

"But the beauty here is, you can clear this up, and say, flat out, that you do not support the racist things he says, condemn them, and acknowledge that the moments where he's not saying racist shit do not undo or cancel the times where he does.

You can actively condemn his racist ways. So what will it be?"

You said, "i find his shtick annoying af and was hoping to see him wake up on the canvas

for the sake of discussion, what did you think he said that was undeniably racist?"

You find his "schtick" annoying, and then asked what i "think" he said, that's "undeniably racist".

I pointed out what these choices say about you, and you say, "nothing but feelings".

All of which strongly implies that you don't find the things he said to be racist, and that calling his statements racist, is nothing but feelings.

again, you can't help yourself. This shit is overwhelmingly soaked in everything you say, clear as day.

  

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41. "so, nothing then?"
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you spend a lot of time composing words that say nothing

just show me a few examples of his racism, it should be blatantly easy no?

  

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42. "My words have said plenty. "
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That you choose to ignore, sidestep, and deflect them doesn't change that.

  

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45. "your words said exactly nothing. "
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you have no case, you like to throw your highly emotional rants around to exercise your fingers. i hope it brings you inner peace, as for me, it just tickles me that you think you have any effect with your vitriol

  

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43. "google still working. do some googling"
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if you can't find any examples of his racism, then we got very different ideas of racism.

no one on here needs to be doing your homework for you though.

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44. "i don't toss the racist label out recklessly "
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however, he should be able to defend his points if he's going to grandstand on them by providing examples. the reason he isn't is because his case is weak.

if you are referring to colby calling blm a terrorist organization, that was a right wing talking point which was shared by black conservatives as well.

blm protestors where setting fire to federal buildings, which in any other scenario would be considered an act of domestic terrorism, hence, the talking point.

what is left? colby being outspoken about his support for police and fire?

none of those things are racist.

  

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46. "you can dig a little deeper. you'll find it. "
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In a generation of swine, the one-eyed pig is king.
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47. "can you give me a keyword i can search?"
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i've looked and i'm not seeing anything else that is notable, but i may be missing something, help me out please.

  

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27. "except"
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https://twitter.com/usman84kg/status/1206339446720741376




www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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48. "oof but yea wasn't at all surprised by the chants just irked me a bit"
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I blame the recent elections and the fact that he's a con artist and from nearby my hometown ..?

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50. "Anyone seen Holloway vs Rodriguez? Crazy bout."
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I don't see why people would prefer boxing over this type of fight. So much happening, exciting till the last second.

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51. "I won big on "Holloway to win in 4th, 5th, or by points""
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but boy was I sweating it out in the 2nd

UFC is on fire right now.

Conor calling out Max...ok pal. Run it and I'll put my mortgage on the Hawaiian.

I guess the next step is Max/Volkanovski 3, which I'd typically be opposed to but I felt like Max won the 2nd one pretty decisively so I'm fine with it.

  

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52. "Would be nice to see Conor getting trashed again, I guess."
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Besides that I'll gladly watch any fight with Max in it, he's just very entertaining to watch.

Right now though, I'm really looking forward to Poirier vs Oliveira and Gane vs Ngannou. Sweaty palms guaranteed.

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53. "anyone watch Ngannou/Gane"
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not as great a fight as I was hoping.

Gane lost his composure once Ngannou body slammed the fuck out of him in R3. props to Ngannou to just randomly decide "hey i wrestle" down 2-0 and completely turning it over.

i hope Bones can stay out of trouble long enough to get an Ngannou match in.

the fight before it w/ the small dudes was dope af. they were bucking. i didnt see anything else on the card though

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54. "Last thing I had on my list was a Ngannou decision by out-grappling Gane"
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I think Francis knew going in it that Gane wasn't gonna be a dude he could just swang and bang and get a highlight KO, and he showed much improved takedown defense in the 2nd Stipe fight, but seeing some of those sequences by him on the ground... yikes, that's a scary fighter.

Not sure if Stipe is planning on coming back for a 3rd fight with Francis, but if he's not I'm not sure who you have Francis defend against next. Lewis (3) fights Tai (11) next, which is a huge test for Tai and honestly I think he wins, but Lewis looked like absolute shit against Gane so I don't think he deserves a shot at Francis after 1 win if he were to beat Tai. Blaydes (4) is next, coming off a win, but Francis KOed him in 1 already.

Plus all the shit with Dana, who seems to just HATE Francis (notice he wasn't even out there to put the belt on him last night, the Tomato was in code RED I'm sure) so I'm sure some fuckery will happen and Dana will pull the "he just doesn't want to fight"

Also Jon Jones can either step up and fight at Heavyweight or shut the fuck up and log off Twitter. But that's a rant for another day.

  

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55. "Ngannou's interview with Helwani was pretty interesting."
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Wonder how his conflict with the UFC will end. After listening to that interview, I have a feeling Dana bashing Ngannou after he beat Miocic early last year was the beginning of the rift. I'm glad Ngannou is sticking to his principles.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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56. "for all of his hubris, Dana White isn't going to let a draw HW leave"
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Dana and Jon Jones hate each other and Dana still has found a way to keep Jon Jones around (even when Jon Jones can't help but sabotage himself)

  

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57. "Is Francis a draw tho? "
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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58. "I think they know Jon vs Francis is the biggest fight they can make rn "
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Heavyweight in UFC has always been a have or have not situation, but at least with the Jones vs Ngannou fight they have the potential to recapture the mainstream attention they had with the peak Brock hysteria fights like the Carwin bout and Mir rematch

  

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59. "izzy cooned it up for rogan at the press conference."
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reporter asked dana about rogan and izzy jumped in on full sambo mode like 'joe rogan is my nigga!'.

these dudes make this sport hard to watch.

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60. "Makes me more than happy to continue to pirate the UFC."
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The more I learn about the fighters and Dana, the less I like the organization. It's pretty much impossible to say away since the UFC pretty much has a monopoly on top tier MMA talent at this point. I truly wish the fighters would form a union to humble Dana, IMG, and Endeavor, but that's a whole other post to itself.

Of note is that Adseanya signed a new deal with the UFC to greatly increase his pay, so it's likely that was a key motivating factor for Izzy tap dancing for Dana by interjecting himself.

"Sean sparks like John Starks, nah, Sean ball like John Wall" - Rest In Power Forever Sean Price.

  

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67. "Yep. I haven’t paid for a PPV in almost 4 years I think"
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69. "Free prelims on PPV for me then I'm out. "
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61. "the OP is probably jerking off to that as we speak"
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62. "Last time they fought I was sweating"
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Cause it was the last big fight I remember where I really liked both guys.

I still love Izzy as a fighter, and I’m sure Rob has got some questionable takes on shit too.

But….since everyone is saying rob is spooked by Izzy and after these comments I’ll pull for The Reaper.


Would make for a hell of a trilogy too

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63. "“UFC is for Skinheads” - Bob Arum "
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>reporter asked dana about rogan and izzy jumped in on full
>sambo mode like 'joe rogan is my nigga!'.
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>these dudes make this sport hard to watch.

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I wanna go to where the martyrs went
the brown figures on the walls of my apart-a-ment...

  

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66. "Then boxing is for old school racists like arum?"
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Boxers have similar takes to mma fighters. Combat sports in general do unfortunately.
To RJccs point below they can never be as universally loved as some other sports because generally women are not attracted to mma or boxing — even less than other sports

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68. "I’ve never heard Caleb Plant talking like Colby Covington "
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>Boxers have similar takes to mma fighters. Combat sports in
>general do unfortunately.

Examples ?

>To RJccs point below they can never be as universally loved as
>some other sports because generally women are not attracted to
>mma or boxing — even less than other sports

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71. "The closest quick examples off the top of my head"
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Is Ricardo mayorga vs everyone but especially Felix Trinidad.

The lead up to Mayweather/ De La Hoya.
Mayweather in general and his trash talk (lead up to the manny fight was bad) and Uber capitalism.

Paquiao and his alignment with Duterte and conservative politics.

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72. "Very good point about Manny and Duterte, he skates under the radar alot "
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>Is Ricardo mayorga vs everyone but especially Felix
>Trinidad.

I was super young, I only remember the fight itself .. about to hop on YouTube

>The lead up to Mayweather/ De La Hoya.
>Mayweather in general and his trash talk (lead up to the manny
>fight was bad) and Uber capitalism.
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>Paquiao and his alignment with Duterte and conservative
>politics.

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78. "mayweather wasn't showing up at campaign events man"
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and what pac did in politics in a nation most people can't find on a map didn't matter at all to viewers

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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64. "what did I say"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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65. "Something that was wrong?"
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I mean cut it how you want? I’d consider having an ESPN deal pretty mainstream. This isn’t some regional show at your local banquet hall lmao

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77. "cool. so why aren't the ratings better?"
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because they had the espn deal when I posted that

so you'd have to be a fuckin dummy to think that having the ESPN deal is relevant to what I said

but if you don't want to address what I actually said and you want to dream about something else that's on you

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70. "Derrick Lewis got knocked out and Flair flopped it 😂"
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I didn’t even notice that elbow at first I just saw him fall slam out on his face

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73. "tired of being told Izzy is special, ready to be shown"
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Israel Adesanya is an unimpressive champion. He and the UFC would have you believe that he's a phenom, but the dynamism he showed on his ascent has been mostly absent from his championship run. I think he thinks he's Anderson Silva Part Deux but his offense lacks the violence and creativity Silva had. Decision wins over Yoel Romero, Marvin Vettori, and now Whitaker, a five round mauling by Jan, and a KO win over juicehead Paulo Costa who completely gassed out about 2 minutes into the fight...I can't say this is a super impressive resume.

Kumaru Usman is everything they keep telling me Israel Adesanya is - vicious, an all timer, and getting better. And though I know they're friends, it may take Usman moving up to finally see the very best Izzy has to offer.

  

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74. "it does seem like izzy has plateaued."
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that plateau is obviously still really high so its hard to knock him.

but the fact that whittaker was getting better and closing the gap as the rounds wore on and started finding more success with that same lead/double left (that the commentators were rightfully calling predictable) says a lot.

i feel like a truly dynamic champ in his prime would have really put an emphatic cap on the rivalry. instead he left room for discussion of a 3rd fight (with many believing whittaker could have a chance to win).

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75. "Agreed."
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His fights for like the past what... 3 years(4?) have been fairly boring affairs.
They keep talking about how he's the most sophisticated striker and whatever... and I haven't seen that in quite a while. I don't know the sport well enough to know if the level of competition he's facing is that much higher or what. And I like dude, but the hype hasn't been lived up to any time recently...

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76. "his competition is no stiffer than Usman or even Oliveira's has been"
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but unlike Usman or Oliveira, when Adesanya faces lesser competition he's fighting lesser fights.

For example, Kumaru Usman is a markedly better fighter than Gilbert Burns...so he boxed him up and knocked him out. Oliveira is elite, Dustin Poirier is very good...Oliveira's submission of Poirier was masterful.

That's not to say finishes are the only barometer of a champion's dominance. Take for instance Volkanovski's defense against Brian Ortega, where Volk couldn't put a game challenger away but still at least tried to finish for a five full rounds.

Aggression, pace, control on top...these traits signal a fighter's effort in-fight. For all the shit Khabib caught on his way to the top about being boring or one-dimensional, I don't think any fighter EVER has so expertly mastered aggression, pace, and top control like Khabib did once he became champion. Khabib is the anti Izzy in a way...once Khabib got on he fought MORE violently, and in turn cemented his legendary status by finishing the best fighters in the sport's best division one after another. So I toss out the notion that "welp, it's worse competition what's a guy to do?" Do what Khabib did against Poirier, Mcgregor, and Gaethje or what Usman's done against Burns, Masvidal, and Covington (2x!).

  

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79. "Khamzat/Burns was fantastic."
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80. "A classic, and a great test for Khamzat BUT"
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Chimaev will need to get the conditioning up and mix up the striking if he wants to actually challenge Usman. Apparently Khamzat’s next fight is Covington which I’d expect him to win.

  

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81. "the maga promos gonna be outrageous"
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hope colby gets his block knocked off

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87. "there’s something about Khamzat"
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That I think style wise Colby beats him up easier than Kamaru.

I’m gonna take my feelings about Colby away from my analysis- cause I hate that dude.

One thing that was clear last night is how big of a WW khamzat is. Everything he throws does major damage at WW. It reminds me of when Connor was fighting at FW. There’s a pop that lots of WWs don’t know what to do with. His jab is dropping dudes.

I worry about that for Kamaru and I don’t think either Kamaru ok Colby will take him down.

What we also learned last night is at the elite level- khamzat is hittable. I think Colby’s pace and movement can overwhelm a fighter like that. One of the reasons Kamaru deals well with Colby is his defensive to offensive transitions. If you’re defense isn’t elite, Colby is really gonna eat you up.

Of course I can see Colby pressuring and get caught by one of chimaevs hard shots. But Colby does have a chin and a ton of grit.

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90. "khamzat was kinda saved by a gassed burns too."
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that cant be overlooked.

colby and usman in round 3 are looking just like they did in round 1.

if burns was able to keep that same energy level like those 2 would...we would prolly be talking about a solid victory for him.

khamzat looked really beatable going backwards (in the few instances he was). not a lot of sharp counters, angles, foot movement, etc. really not much to keep burns off him except for burns needing to regroup after the exchanges.

now think about that against covington with his constant pressure/pace, level changes, etc.

i think colby is just a more polished fighter who would beat him decisively (and i hate him too lol).

i really wanna see khamzat vs leon in the standup tho. leon wont gas and is more technical/diverse in his striking. we would get a better measurement of how good khamzat really is on the feet.

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95. "All good points. But Colby does lack significant power"
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89. "i cant see khamzat (as currently constructed) beating colby."
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not with that depleted gas tank after only 3 rounds and relative ease that burns dealt with the grappling.

in fact...i dont see him beating covington, leon, and especially not usman right now.

khamzats flaws just got exposed in his first taste of top 5 competition.

we have seen that happen over and over to hyped prospects in the ufc.

it doesnt mean he wont be elite in due time. but hes not the dominant fighter people thought he might be before this fight.

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82. "bout to lose a small fortune on Petr Yan here"
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83. "He's fighting too emotional, he just wants to take Sterling's head off"
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84. "I thought Yan got 1, 4, and 5 … "
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It’s a fight, not a grappling match. The guy who FOUGHT the more complete FIGHT was Yan. And he was decisive in the 4th and 5th.

  

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86. "Yea I was rooting for Aljo"
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But I thought he gave they fight away.

Round 4 and 5 he did everything he could to lose.

He definitely won 2/3 (but neither was called a 10-8). He had full control but never hurt Yan from the back and never really had a finish attempt

So 1 was the question and on first watch it felt to me Yan won that round pretty easily

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91. "frank longo fighters tend to have low fight iq's lol."
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aljo, weidman, iaquinta, serra, etc.

their training/gameplans are so rudimentary and longo is just outmatched as a corner man a lot of times.

aljo just shooting in the middle of the cage with no setup almost did him in. if dude just mixed it up better he prolly could have gotten another takedown.

longo was actually calling for aljo to look for the spinning heel kick...and it was that type of shit that got him jammed up in the 1st fight.

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94. "Great call on game plan. I don’t think Aljo actually had one."
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It seemed he was running the entire fight, lucked into the back position in the 2nd, then in the 3rd realized it had worked before so tried it again. But other than the 2nd and 3rd Aljo was so throughly outclassed and was visibly avoiding contact.

And you may be into something with Longo…I thought for years that on Weirman in particular he fought the same fight over and over.

Compare that to Trevor Wittman who has taken top tier wrestlers like Gaethje and Usman and made them top tier everything else AND laces them with different game plans for every individual fight.

  

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99. "Yep. Just look at Ray longo and you can tell hes washed lol"
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But yea dude is such a basic ass coach thats living off some old laurels and former champs. As you said, their gameplanning is so basic. Ultimately its gonna come back and catch Aljo. I hope he can also beat TJ,since I hate that dude too...but that's gonna be a tougher match given TJ's more rounded game and Sterling's lack of power

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100. "i called him frank longo lol."
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101. "Aljo switched up opponents on Ariel Helwani's show"
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Instead of Dillashaw, now he wants to fight Jose Aldo. That might be an even harder fight since I'm guessing Aldo has ten times the ground game that Dillashaw has.

Have to give Aljo credit in picking a tough opponent since I find it hard for Aljo to win that fight if I'm being completely honest.

I sincerely hope Aljo takes a trip to Thailand to sore up he very very weak stand up skills. He needs something to make his takedowns a lot easier.

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96. "As much as I want to celebrate"
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seeing someone rep the Jamaican flag as a UFC champ, I definitely think he is beatable. Hoepfully he will clean up the obvious holes in his stand-up since that's his obvious weakness, but he's going to have a tough time holding onto that belt.

That upcoming Dillashaw fight will be interesting since Dillashaw has had stellar footwork and kickboxing in the past. I have to think Dwayne Ludwig will setup some traps for Aljo to get his head kicked off if he shoots for those terrible takedowns like he did in the fifth round of this past fight.

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85. "Dana looked like he was about to puke putting the belt on Sterling"
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88. "Volk is like Yan 2.0"
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Both have incredible mma striking.

Compact, precise, powerful, with good movement. Volk just has more overall mma tools


As a max fan, I don’t want to see him fight Volk right now. I worry he gets pieced up and loses legacy in a third fight.

The division is cleaned out pretty much though. If he hadn’t been off for 3 years, I’d love to see what Zabit could do.

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92. "the humbled chimaev voice change is pretty funny."
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dude sounds like a different man after some of that bravado has left him.

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93. "Oddly I think Burns was more dangerous for him than Colby "
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Khamzat definitely got rocked a few times there. Now, he clearly won the fight and I thought was on the brink of getting the finish in the third round. But he took legitimate damage throughout the fight in several spots.

Colby doesn’t hit hard at all. Masvidal’s not a granite chin and he walked through Colby’s strikes and Usman’s demonstrated no fear of Colby’s power AT ALL through two bouts. Making matters worse for Colby is that Khamzat is going to look twice as big as Covington.

The X-factor here is their conditioning. Covington is deservedly famous for his gas tank, and we saw Khamzat get winded in the 2nd and 3rd vs Burns. I’d think the UFC finds a way to make Khamzat/Covington a 5 round fight and if Covington has any chance of beating Khamzat he’ll HAVE to find a way to push it to the 4th or 5th. Easier said than done though because against Colby, Khamzat will be able to do what he does best and that’s walk forward nonstop with violent intentions.

  

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97. "Leon Edwards has be breathing so comfortably right now."
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I'm sure he was on pins and needles of the prospect of Chimaev leapfrogging him for the chance to fight for the title if he smoked Burns like he did his prior four opponents.

Hopefully Leon will get the chance to finally get his title shot as I think him and Usman will be an interesting fight. I still have Usman beating him as Usman has a ton of power in his hands, but that'll be a great fight for sure.

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98. "He deserves it, long overdue for Leon"
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BUT

If Nate Diaz can wobble him, Kumaru Usman may send him into a coma

Kumaru Usman is the best in the world. But we’ll see what happens!

  

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102. "Best possible fight on earth is Oliveira v Khabib "
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Only person to ever run through 155 like Charles is the champion who came before him

I’d do anything to make this fight if I’m the UFC. If I’m Dana I literally tell Khabib “I think he’s better than you” and just let that simmer a few months and then tell him again


Also Rose , who I adore, should be embarrassed


And Chandler turned in an all timer KO. Poor Tony Ferguson was always the bridesmaid never the bride until it was just OVER, abruptly and cruelly. His swift and steep decline resembles Chuck Liddell’s , Tyron Woodley’s, Etc … great until you’re not then you’re REALLY not


Anyway, they probably do Oliveira v Conor in like August or September which is a dumb waste of time that’ll make everyone a bunch of money. Shit they could do Oliveira v Conor and Chandler at the same time , 2 on 1, and I don’t think it would make a difference.

  

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