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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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"Jim Harbaugh is overrated"
Mon Dec-08-14 06:11 PM by COOLEHMAGAZINE

          

I'm going to say it now because people are still talking about this guy like he can do no wrong and the current situation in Niner land has no reflection on his abilities as a coach.

I don't doubt that he can help coach up teams that need some fighting spirit and a "name" coach who can come in and command respect.

But...this is an offensive coach whose offense keeps regressing no matter how many talented players they add. Not only that, but the offense has no discernible identity and often seems to be selecting plays at random.

The only consistent thing about the Niners has been playing hard (like I said, if you are lacking in spirit, Harbs can probably provide) and great defense, which is presumably the work of Vic Fangio.

It's not that I think he is a terrible coach or something but dude seems like a cross between Gruden and Ken Wisenhunt.

If the Niners get a decent hire at coach next year and keep Fangio, they will be BETTER than they were with Harbaugh.



Raiders could prolly use his discipline etc, but if they trade a first round pick for him they are idiots.

If the Jets dump Rex for Harbuagh that would be the actual definition of hustling backwards.

I'm from the lost black tribe of Israel, the Yos

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3 straight NFC title games (w/ 1 SB appearance)
Dec 08th 2014
1
RE: 3 straight NFC title games (w/ 1 SB appearance)
Dec 08th 2014
2
Harbaugh has spent 3 full seasons in the NFL.
Dec 08th 2014
3
      RE: Harbaugh has spent 3 full seasons in the NFL.
Dec 08th 2014
4
4th best winning percentage of all time-
Dec 08th 2014
5
I won't go that far but....
Dec 08th 2014
6
RE: I won't go that far but....
Dec 08th 2014
7
The 9ers fucking up if they let him go.
Dec 08th 2014
8
RE: The 9ers fucking up if they let him go.
Dec 08th 2014
9
"hoe them some more"?
Dec 09th 2014
13
I don't get the dickriding...John's better
Dec 09th 2014
10
RE: I don't get the dickriding...John's better
Dec 09th 2014
11
losing Ray Rice made that team better.
Dec 09th 2014
12
Ooooooh it's lit
Oct 11th 2015
14
shit
Oct 11th 2015
17
lol
Oct 11th 2015
15
Beautiful uppage
Oct 11th 2015
16
not that they didn't but they'd be fucked anyways with the loss of talen...
Oct 11th 2015
18
Nope. That's it.. I quit.... I'm done...
Oct 11th 2015
19
What CFB are you rooting for these days?
Dec 08th 2018
70
yo this dude is really gonna get Wilton Speight drafted
Nov 05th 2016
20
he ballin....
Nov 06th 2016
21
Well he was the captain of a UA AA Game team
Nov 06th 2016
24
      referring more to the fact that he was a Borges-recruited composite 3*
Nov 06th 2016
25
a big home win vs maryland was definitely the ideal time to bump this
Nov 06th 2016
22
Lol i had the same thoughts when i saw it on the front pg
Nov 06th 2016
23
      Hes not good, right?
Nov 07th 2016
26
      He's really good at a few key things
Nov 07th 2016
27
           I really hate what happens to me when ____ ________ is brought up
Nov 07th 2016
28
           By the time it was all said and done he was pretty good
Nov 07th 2016
29
                NIce hands.
Nov 07th 2016
30
                     Hasnt been a UM back that good since imo
Nov 07th 2016
37
           I wonder how good Gardner and Denard would have been
Nov 07th 2016
34
                Man....
Nov 07th 2016
35
                they wouldve looked great in their jordan uni's handing it off
Dec 08th 2018
67
                     On third and long
Dec 08th 2018
68
      he's playing well but it's been pitch and catch against every team
Nov 07th 2016
31
           This year and last year was all ND/Brandon related scrambling
Nov 07th 2016
32
           unless they hit their next coaching hire outta the park
Nov 07th 2016
33
                They are like roaches...they always find their way back to competitve
Nov 07th 2016
36
                     playing ND every year is wack to me
Nov 14th 2016
40
                          How else would you do it though?
Nov 14th 2016
41
                               Plus they have marquee home&homes upcoming
Nov 14th 2016
42
                               RE: How else would you do it though?
Nov 14th 2016
44
           well that experiment didn't go so well
Nov 14th 2016
39
                Oops lol
Nov 14th 2016
43
the man can coach period
Nov 07th 2016
38
Jim Harbaugh still crying somewhere..... Nm
Nov 28th 2016
45
Jemelle just said he has the same record as Brady Hoke thru 33 games.
Oct 23rd 2017
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Damn.
Oct 23rd 2017
47
      that almost sounds like it means something
Oct 23rd 2017
48
           it's been 3 seasons. whose fault is this?
Oct 24th 2017
51
                Hoke's, without a doubt
Oct 24th 2017
52
                     didn't harbaugh recruit ruddock and o'korn?
Oct 24th 2017
59
                          this. i don't want to hear none of that other mess.
Oct 24th 2017
61
                          yes, but Rudock was good and is now on a 53 in the NFL
Oct 24th 2017
62
                               it's as if OSU was the only team mich played in 2016
Oct 24th 2017
63
he's way overpaid considering the results so far
Oct 24th 2017
49
dude is getting paid more than saban lolz
Oct 24th 2017
50
hes getting paid for a reclamation project and a culture change for now
Oct 24th 2017
53
      he had 3 years to get "his" qb. shit or get off the pot.
Oct 24th 2017
54
           meanwhile, in reality, he has had 2 full recruiting classes
Oct 24th 2017
55
                RE: meanwhile, in reality, he has had 2 full recruiting classes
Oct 24th 2017
57
                5 returning starters...lolololol
Oct 24th 2017
60
His brother may find himself on the street in Baltimore soon
Oct 24th 2017
56
Yea, fans are getting tired of him and these subpar teams we're putting ...
Oct 24th 2017
58
I could have gotten tickets super cheap from a co-worker
Oct 25th 2017
64
Still waiting for this to happen
Jan 21st 2022
74
well he's definitely overrated as a recruiter
Feb 07th 2018
65
And on the field
Dec 08th 2018
66
      but very underrated as a travel planner
Dec 08th 2018
69
           Lol, going all over the world, except Indianapolis
Dec 08th 2018
71
Probably be a hot topic soon
Jan 20th 2022
72
I’m annoyed . I want him to stay.
Jan 21st 2022
73
SKAIL
Feb 02nd 2022
75
Vikings is a decent show, if you look past all the historical errors nm
Feb 02nd 2022
76
what the hell happened here?
Feb 02nd 2022
77
      NIL leverage maybe??
Feb 02nd 2022
78
           lol
Feb 02nd 2022
79
                Not for him
Feb 02nd 2022
80

brown sugar
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1. "3 straight NFC title games (w/ 1 SB appearance)"
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And took a historically terrible football program saddled w/ some of the
most cripplingly high admissions standards to NATIONAL prominence.
Like, dude was whooping 5*s at USC coached by Pete Carroll with
National Merit Scholars.

His biggest failures to date appear to be a run-of-the-mill, slightly-below-
average season and tensions with management.


But by all means, I hope everyone else thinks he's overrated and he can
land in Ann Arbor.

  

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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2. "RE: 3 straight NFC title games (w/ 1 SB appearance)"
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College football I can't call it but mind you, I am not saying he is a flat out bad coach, just seriously overrated. At least in the NFL context.


People are talking about teams will jump to trade first-rounders for dude.

He is not any better than Rex Ryan.

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3. "Harbaugh has spent 3 full seasons in the NFL."
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3 NFC titles. 1 Super Bowl appearance.



How long has Rex Ryan been in the league? What are his stats?

  

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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4. "RE: Harbaugh has spent 3 full seasons in the NFL."
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Ryan's first 3 seasons

2 AFCCG's and a .500 season


Not as good as Harbaugh's first three years, but pretty fucking good, no?

Also, Harbaugh inherited a more talented team in a division without a dominant team (at the time) like the Patriots.

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5. "4th best winning percentage of all time-"
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6. "I won't go that far but...."
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You cannot give him all the credit for the team's success but relinquish him from any of the blame for their struggles.

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COOLEHMAGAZINE
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7. "RE: I won't go that far but...."
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Overrated doesn't mean he sucks.

It just means anyone who thinks he is worth trading valuable picks for is going to regret it.

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8. "The 9ers fucking up if they let him go."
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Give me all the assholish behavior due to his coaching ability. If Harbaugh's not there the 9ers aren't playoff contenders/possible Super Bowl favorites. It's not easy to find a good NFL coach word to Dennis Erickson. Harbaugh is a cantankerous person according to sources within that organization but he's a helluva an NFL coach and that's hard to find in this league.

For the record, I want them to keep Harbaugh so we can HOE them some more. If he leaves and they suck the victory won't be half as fun.

*EDIT*

Harbaugh is a miracle worker but needs to stay out of environments with nosey media. Imagine him dealing with the NY media. Oakland seems like a good spot but the Jets will give him anything he wants. Hercy Parvin seems like a Harbaugh guy due to his attitude. I want him to stay in San Fran but if he leaves for Oakland that fan base will be the happy for years off the strength that he's there. If money's the issue then head to NYC.

  

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9. "RE: The 9ers fucking up if they let him go."
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You seen the Niners offense this year with Kaep, Crabtree, Boldin, Johnson, Gore, Hyde, Davis and a not-great-but-not-bad oline?


Now imagine that same approach starring Eric Decker, Chris Ivory, Jace Amaro and Jeremy Kerley, with a garbage oline.



Harbaugh is the last thing the Jets need.

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13. ""hoe them some more"?"
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harbaugh's 5-2 against arizona.

even singletary racked up multiple W's.

  

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10. "I don't get the dickriding...John's better"
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If the Ravens go to the postseason after all the shit they've been through this year, there shouldn't even be a question.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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11. "RE: I don't get the dickriding...John's better"
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>If the Ravens go to the postseason after all the shit they've
>been through this year, there shouldn't even be a question.


There is a question?

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12. "losing Ray Rice made that team better."
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just sayin

  

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14. "Ooooooh it's lit"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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17. "shit"
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15. "lol"
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16. "Beautiful uppage"
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Niners fucked up big time.

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18. "not that they didn't but they'd be fucked anyways with the loss of talen..."
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19. "Nope. That's it.. I quit.... I'm done..."
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just fuck it.. I quit...
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70. "What CFB are you rooting for these days? "
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20. "yo this dude is really gonna get Wilton Speight drafted"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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21. "he ballin...."
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24. "Well he was the captain of a UA AA Game team"
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Not exactly Andy Mignery back there

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25. "referring more to the fact that he was a Borges-recruited composite 3*"
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<-- BAUGH SO HARD

  

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22. "a big home win vs maryland was definitely the ideal time to bump this"
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bravo

  

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23. "Lol i had the same thoughts when i saw it on the front pg"
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But i guess the Wilton Speight thing might kinda sorta be relevant.

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26. "Hes not good, right? "
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>But i guess the Wilton Speight thing might kinda sorta be
>relevant.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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27. "He's really good at a few key things"
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He drifts away from trouble really well, doesnt lose accuracy while on the move, and throws a nice deep ball. Good arm too...not a Henne arm, but thats ok.

He gets into trouble when he starts worrying about getting hit as he throws but its totally random. Sometimes he stands tall amd takes a shot while throwing a good ball and sometimes he Devin Gardners it off his back foot. DG had to live through hell tho so its not surprising it eventually got to him. Speight hasnt lived with anythong close to that type of duress so thats kind of a bummer for him to react that way.

I would say he is as good right today as peak Navarre with room to grow. Probably not a coincidence they both had/have a pair of excellent "bad ball catchers". Also, im pretty sure Speight has the benefit of better play design than whatever Debord had Navarre doing.

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28. "I really hate what happens to me when ____ ________ is brought up"
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Would like to see him have to win a game before ohio state but it doesnt look like that test is going to come.

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29. "By the time it was all said and done he was pretty good"
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Ill never forget the beautiful 50 yard parabola he dropped right into Braylon's hands on the first series of the 2003-2004 Rose Bowl.

Dropped.

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30. "NIce hands."
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Perry was a such a beast

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37. "Hasnt been a UM back that good since imo"
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Hart was a gamer, but Perry was a baller. It was criminal he sat behind BJ Askew.

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34. "I wonder how good Gardner and Denard would have been"
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if Harbaugh were they're coach. Heisman candidates with the talent those guys had.


>DG had to live through
>hell tho so its not surprising it eventually got to him.
>Speight hasnt lived with anythong close to that type of duress
>so thats kind of a bummer for him to react that way.
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35. "Man...."
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Denard would probably be in the role Peppers is now, but with 50 snaps a game as opposed to 10-12. And he would BEAST.

Gardner....man...poor Devin. Dude could have been a legend with competant coaches.

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67. "they wouldve looked great in their jordan uni's handing it off"
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Sat Dec-08-18 09:28 AM by 3xKrazy

          

to a white fullback

  

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68. "On third and long "
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>to a white fullback

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31. "he's playing well but it's been pitch and catch against every team"
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with the exception of wisky.

would like to see him get his jersey dirty a few times and see what's what. maybe a few legit road games too? i know that's asking far too much from the scheduling gods...

  

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32. "This year and last year was all ND/Brandon related scrambling"
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In a perfect world UM plays one legit nonconf road game every year

Hopefully with ND back in play that will come to pass

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33. "unless they hit their next coaching hire outta the park "
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>Hopefully with ND back in play that will come to pass

i wouldn't hold my breath

  

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36. "They are like roaches...they always find their way back to competitve"
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I also dont think the BK years are over

Yeah they suck right now, but they have too much talent for this to be much more than a blip

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40. "playing ND every year is wack to me"
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and i think its difficult to rely on one program to be good every year in order to legitimize your OOC slate.

  

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41. "How else would you do it though?"
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If you're playing different schools every year you still have to rely on them being good in that given year. You definitely won't see schools scheduling multiple blue blood programs in the OOC schedule. Honestly with the playoff there isn't a reason to have a tough OOC schedule anyways if you are in one of the major conferences that has a conference championship - you'll control your own destiny either way.

>and i think its difficult to rely on one program to be good
>every year in order to legitimize your OOC slate.

  

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42. "Plus they have marquee home&homes upcoming"
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In 20-21 they have opposite h&h with VT amd UW

And then after that they have UT and OU over the next 4 years and i bet they cram ND in there too.

True series against ND, VT, UW, UT, and OU are as good as anything anyone else is doing, especially if they will be running concurrent.

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44. "RE: How else would you do it though?"
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>If you're playing different schools every year you still have
>to rely on them being good in that given year.

there's never a guarantee, that's for sure.

>You definitely
>won't see schools scheduling multiple blue blood programs in
>the OOC schedule.

multiple elite programs in a given year or on a yearly basis?

>Honestly with the playoff there isn't a
>reason to have a tough OOC schedule anyways if you are in one
>of the major conferences that has a conference championship -
>you'll control your own destiny either way.

i thought that the playoffs would de-emphasize the importance but really just the opposite...look at the blowback that wash is getting for their crap OOC schedule. and OSU can potentially benefit greatly from beating oklahoma. i think the new structure has clearly emphasized the importance of scheduling legit teams.

  

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39. "well that experiment didn't go so well"
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>would like to see him get his jersey dirty a few times and see
>what's what. maybe a few legit road games too?

  

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43. "Oops lol"
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Wrong post

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38. "the man can coach period"
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he is winning period and i ain't even understanding this thread at all.
the man had the 49ers in contention as a championship team. now they are battling the Browns in lottery land.

my Michigan Woolverines all likely is playing for a Chip.

He stays Winning

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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45. "Jim Harbaugh still crying somewhere..... Nm"
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>I'm going to say it now because people are still talking
>about this guy like he can do no wrong and the current
>situation in Niner land has no reflection on his abilities as
>a coach.
>
>I don't doubt that he can help coach up teams that need some
>fighting spirit and a "name" coach who can come in and command
>respect.
>
>But...this is an offensive coach whose offense keeps
>regressing no matter how many talented players they add. Not
>only that, but the offense has no discernible identity and
>often seems to be selecting plays at random.
>
>The only consistent thing about the Niners has been playing
>hard (like I said, if you are lacking in spirit, Harbs can
>probably provide) and great defense, which is presumably the
>work of Vic Fangio.
>
>It's not that I think he is a terrible coach or something but
>dude seems like a cross between Gruden and Ken Wisenhunt.
>
>If the Niners get a decent hire at coach next year and keep
>Fangio, they will be BETTER than they were with Harbaugh.
>
>
>
>Raiders could prolly use his discipline etc, but if they trade
>a first round pick for him they are idiots.
>
>If the Jets dump Rex for Harbuagh that would be the actual
>definition of hustling backwards.

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46. "Jemelle just said he has the same record as Brady Hoke thru 33 games."
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________________________________________
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47. "Damn. "
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48. "that almost sounds like it means something"
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edit: meant to reply to truth

the reality is that Hoke's first team was a 10+ win team with Rich Rod anyways AND had Denard Robinson. not to mention his teams got progressively worse from the point, after taking over a team that had gotten progressively better over two years.

Harbaugh meanwhile took over the aforementioned progressively worsening team, and immediately won a citrus bowl in year one. after that, they got even better despite starting an "Al Borges special" at QB. they were one spot away from going to the B1G title game against 2 teams they had already beaten.

Hoke dismantled an ascending team and ruined the 2 most talented QBs Michigan has EVER had in the entire history of the program. Harbaugh turned a combined 5 stars worth of 2 QBs into 19 wins, a Citrus Bowl, a legit NFL backup, and fell short of the playoff by inches.

that's a super silly comparison. lets see where we are at after 51 games. Hoke was 31-20. i dont think Michigan is losing 10 of their next 17. the defense needs only time to be back to a top 5 unit, and they are going to win more games this year because they still have the best DL in the country.

and again, the QB situation. cmon.

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51. "it's been 3 seasons. whose fault is this?"
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>and again, the QB situation. cmon.
>

  

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52. "Hoke's, without a doubt"
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ruined whatever morris could have been, speight was a miss, malzone was a miss

Brandon Peters was JH's first QB recruit and he is a redshirt freshman. McCaffrey is behind him as a true freshman. If Peters isnt ready next year, then thats a serious problem, unless McCaffrey is ready, and then its not.

its not a coincidence Michigan is starting a shitload of youth on offense. the recruiting was terrible until 2015 in all aspects, and it continues to plague them. any success they have had up to now is because of Mattison's work pre-JH, and the fact that Hoke actually did hit on Butt, Darboh, Perry, and Chesson. But thats pretty much it on that side of the ball.

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59. "didn't harbaugh recruit ruddock and o'korn?"
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regardless, it's not as if there aren't a ton of young qb's around cfb starting and playing well. you're the highest paid coach in cfb and talk a gang of shit. figure it out.

it's not as if other elements of the offense are clicking either. go find yourself a playmaker or two who can take some pressure off the qb.

  

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61. "this. i don't want to hear none of that other mess."
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>regardless, it's not as if there aren't a ton of young qb's
>around cfb starting and playing well. you're the highest paid
>coach in cfb and talk a gang of shit. figure it out.
>

teams throwing out freshmans and RS freshmans everyday. figure it out.

<--- Big Baller World Order

  

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62. "yes, but Rudock was good and is now on a 53 in the NFL"
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and OKorn was an insurance policy. i suppose it counts as a whiff, but even having to recruit him in the first place is an L for Hoke.

Speight is serviceable, if there was anything else serviceable on the roster before that Rudock and OKorn never come to Michigan in the first place.

talking about this now is ridiculous. i dont mean you and i talking about the specifics, but they went to the wire in columbus and fell short. everything was on the line for them on the last week of the season in year 2 and they lost in double OT. now after like 10 of mattisons goons go to the league they were supposed to surpass that?

nah. thats all nonsense, and it runs parallel to the nonsense in 2010 for RR. I thought they would have showed better vs PSU, and the defense is too young to be elite (except Mo Hurst and the DL - still the best), but all reasonable expectations are being met.

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63. "it's as if OSU was the only team mich played in 2016"
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they lost 3 out of their last 4 games. One of them at Iowa. they folded like a cheap suit against OSU when they had the game won. They won 1 game outside the state of michigan - rutgers.

mich jhas finished no better than 3rd in their division and are currently 1-4 against their rivals and soon to be 1-5. NO mich fan would've signed up for these results. substitute the name harbaugh with any other coach and they'd be warming up the exits by now.

i think you also realize that all of harbaughs shit talking, twitter wars and contrived publicity stunts add to the expectation levels...and consequently when this level of achievement ins't reached...that media and opposing fan bases will go extra hard when critiquing his performance. that's just how the game goes.

  

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49. "he's way overpaid considering the results so far"
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6 – 5 in the last 11 games

0 – 5 against teams over 0.500 in that time.

Michigan has now lost 15 consecutive road games to ranked opponents, going back 10 years.

#THEMICHIGANDIFFERENCE


>I'm going to say it now because people are still talking
>about this guy like he can do no wrong and the current
>situation in Niner land has no reflection on his abilities as
>a coach.
>
>I don't doubt that he can help coach up teams that need some
>fighting spirit and a "name" coach who can come in and command
>respect.
>
>But...this is an offensive coach whose offense keeps
>regressing no matter how many talented players they add. Not
>only that, but the offense has no discernible identity and
>often seems to be selecting plays at random.
>
>The only consistent thing about the Niners has been playing
>hard (like I said, if you are lacking in spirit, Harbs can
>probably provide) and great defense, which is presumably the
>work of Vic Fangio.
>
>It's not that I think he is a terrible coach or something but
>dude seems like a cross between Gruden and Ken Wisenhunt.
>
>If the Niners get a decent hire at coach next year and keep
>Fangio, they will be BETTER than they were with Harbaugh.
>
>
>
>Raiders could prolly use his discipline etc, but if they trade
>a first round pick for him they are idiots.
>
>If the Jets dump Rex for Harbuagh that would be the actual
>definition of hustling backwards.

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50. "dude is getting paid more than saban lolz"
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the only categories he exceeds saban in are running his fat mouth, whining and conjuring up excuses. oh yeah, and his ability to generate donald trump style media attention.

remember when mich fans thought bama and sec were scared of the program they were building? LOL

  

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53. "hes getting paid for a reclamation project and a culture change for now"
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that changes when "his" QBs start running the show

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54. "he had 3 years to get "his" qb. shit or get off the pot."
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55. "meanwhile, in reality, he has had 2 full recruiting classes"
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in each one there is a blue chip QB recruit, one is true FR the other is RSFR

there is no resonable expectation for either of them to have led UM to 7-0 right now

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57. "RE: meanwhile, in reality, he has had 2 full recruiting classes"
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>there is no resonable expectation for either of them to have
>led UM to 7-0 right now

Except for the typical idiots clamoring for Peters right now.

Mind you, the same idiots who were clamoring for O'Korn at this time last season.

People are dumb. I hate them.

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60. "5 returning starters...lolololol"
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Not sure why that suggested playoffs..lol.. Keep recruiting and when we get the QB/OL issues resolved we'll be ready to roll.


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56. "His brother may find himself on the street in Baltimore soon"
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The Ravens have been stuck in neutral for four years and John can't seem to get out of his own way. He's not much of an x's and o's guy and it's becoming apparent in his faulty coordinator hires. I think his coaching style lends itself more to college and he's probably have a better career there than Jim.

Streets won't let me chill.

  

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58. "Yea, fans are getting tired of him and these subpar teams we're putting ..."
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Interested to see what the turnout will be for this game Thursday night.

<---
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64. "I could have gotten tickets super cheap from a co-worker"
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A great deal.

Wasn't even worth it for me, nor worth my time quite honestly.

That says a lot cause any other time I would have jumped on it.

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74. "Still waiting for this to happen"
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65. "well he's definitely overrated as a recruiter"
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he just got his shit kicked in on the recruiting trail

  

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66. "And on the field"
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69. "but very underrated as a travel planner"
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you hear about the intl trips these boys got coming up?!!?! south africa? brazil?

NOBODY saw these trips coming when harb signed on the dotted line.

  

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71. "Lol, going all over the world, except Indianapolis "
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you hear about the intl trips these boys got coming up?!!?!
>south africa? brazil?
>
>NOBODY saw these trips coming when harb signed on the dotted
>line.


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72. "Probably be a hot topic soon"
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Fuck the Raiders tho.

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73. "I’m annoyed . I want him to stay. "
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>Fuck the Raiders tho.

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75. "SKAIL"
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76. "Vikings is a decent show, if you look past all the historical errors nm"
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77. "what the hell happened here?"
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and does anyone even really care either way?

  

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Ceej
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78. "NIL leverage maybe??"
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No one really knows.

Locally he was gone so this was a surprise.

http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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79. "lol "
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after last year's paycut harbaugh needed that zingerman's IG sponsorship money

  

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Ceej
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80. "Not for him"
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http://i.imgur.com/vPqCzVU.jpg

  

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