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flipnile
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"Remember "Flatten The Curve?""


          

Haven't heard that term in quite some time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/20200403_Flatten_the_curve_animated_GIF.gif


The goal was to avoid 'exponential growth' leading to an overloaded healthcare system, right? Seems like we've done that.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

6,055,000 confirmed cases w/ 184,000 deaths = 0.03%. 1/3 of one percent.


So when and how did the goal become 'wear your mask while the .gov creates a vaccine, and get everyone vaccinated?'

Speaking of masks, remember when the Fauci said this in May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNBw7XCM4Q then flip-flopped to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbH3oko9SA

What "new" information about virus transmission and masks did he get in the past few months that he didn't get in the 54 YEARS since he became a doctor?


These moving goalposts are shady-as-fuck, and it's quite scary to see folks marching lock-step with the fear-based narrative.

  

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There's so many other places where you will feel validated from this pos...
Sep 01st 2020
1
I'm clearly not seeking validation on OKP based on things I post
Sep 01st 2020
24
      I don’t think it’s a touchy subject
Sep 01st 2020
28
           Nope. What I'm seeking is "actual change"
Sep 01st 2020
32
                It’s the internet. People don’t change on the internet.
Sep 01st 2020
33
                nah, sounds like you're telling yourself a story
Sep 01st 2020
36
Flip Flopped???
Sep 01st 2020
2
You believe that a top Dr. with 50+years experience *didn't* know...
Sep 01st 2020
9
      well, not all viruses and diseases are the same
Sep 01st 2020
11
      They still aren't sure how it's transmitted
Sep 01st 2020
13
      If true, wouldn't any vaccine now being developed be highly suspect?
Sep 01st 2020
35
      I guess you don't understand what a NOVEL virus is
Sep 01st 2020
14
      A novel coronavirus is still a coronavirus.
Sep 01st 2020
26
      no way you're this dumb. Like, none
Sep 01st 2020
18
           What's dumb is the idea that people buying n95 masks at HD...
Sep 01st 2020
27
           Do you think Home Depot and Lowes make N95 masks?
Sep 01st 2020
30
           the Home Depot manufacturing plant is nuts man
Sep 01st 2020
43
                dude thinks they just make everything in the back
Sep 01st 2020
45
           Your either a liar or stupid
Sep 01st 2020
31
           dude said that shit with his chest too.
Sep 01st 2020
34
                I bet this went plat on Facebook for entirely different reasons
Sep 01st 2020
46
Fauci was clearly paid off by big mask
Sep 01st 2020
3
cmon bro this changing information is shady bro
Sep 01st 2020
22
      Dunno about you but "Fauci" and "5G" sound a little too similar
Sep 01st 2020
25
I told my people...
Sep 01st 2020
4
Covid, protests, a completely fucked economy... and the election
Sep 01st 2020
12
I've repeatedly told y'all what flipnile is
Sep 01st 2020
5
DTS
Sep 01st 2020
6
he's trash
Sep 01st 2020
7
^the anti-vaxxer cosign
Sep 01st 2020
8
dont want bill gates tracking us with those secret zune chips fam.
Sep 01st 2020
20
      hahaha I assume these galaxy brains don't use cell phones
Sep 01st 2020
42
Fauci is trash?
Sep 01st 2020
10
we have 4% of the world population but 20% of the covid deaths
Sep 01st 2020
15
only country even close to us is Brazil
Sep 01st 2020
17
      big hydroxychloroquine fan too.
Sep 01st 2020
21
Your math is wrong
Sep 01st 2020
16
hahahaha I'm crying
Sep 01st 2020
19
why arent we just doing herd immunity
Sep 01st 2020
23
we don't know if reinfection is a thing or nah.
Sep 01st 2020
37
      reinfection is looking more like a thing
Sep 01st 2020
39
True.
Sep 01st 2020
29
      thats it? True? You were literally 100X wrong
Sep 01st 2020
44
NIGGA, death ain't every fucking goddamn thing.
Sep 01st 2020
38
why are y'all even entertaining this dumbass?
Sep 01st 2020
40
delete this dumb post please
Sep 01st 2020
41
I feel like points have been made
Sep 02nd 2020
47

MEAT
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1. "There's so many other places where you will feel validated from this pos..."
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Why are you sharing it here?

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flipnile
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24. "I'm clearly not seeking validation on OKP based on things I post"
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Just discussion.

Why is this such a touchy subject?

Fact is the virus and the handling of the response to it has been politicized into a left vs right issue. Dead-giveaway that our (us regular citizens) best interests aren't the priority.


"When two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers"

  

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MEAT
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28. "I don’t think it’s a touchy subject"
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I think there’s a world of people that agree with you, and it doesn’t seem to be here. And that by seeking engagement for what the thoughts you’re expressing this far into current situation, it seems like you’re seeking validation rather than actual change.

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flipnile
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32. "Nope. What I'm seeking is "actual change""
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>And that by seeking engagement
>for what the thoughts you’re expressing this far into
>current situation, it seems like you’re seeking validation
>rather than actual change.


I only encourage people to question the world around them and think for themselves.

I didn't write this post with hopes that anyone would agree with me, I wrote it in order to spark a discussion and get other points of view about the actual subject (the moving of goalposts by the .gov and how dangerous a precedent that could be for us in the future).

No one bothered to respond to the subject however.

  

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MEAT
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33. "It’s the internet. People don’t change on the internet. "
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36. "nah, sounds like you're telling yourself a story"
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no one "moved goalpoats" the goal has always been the same. slow the virus as much as possible and work towards a vaccine. Fauci and the CDC are working within an administration that doesn't believe in science and is basically hostile towards them (same can be said for the senate). it's a unique and fucked up situation.

the mask "filp flop" has been explained ad nauseum by Fauci and people in this post. it's a painfully simple explanation that you refuse to accept.

then you (admittedly) dropped false stats on the death rate. Never mind that we are doing worse than every country on earth, and the countries who have fared so much better just happened to take mask wearing and social distancing seriously.

but you want to tell yourself a story that everyone's opinion on covid is driven by partisan politics and your're the voice of reason asking the tough questions to drive discussion, or vague references on how "they" want us to live in fear.

bad faith, bs

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2. "Flip Flopped???"
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Tue Sep-01-20 04:30 PM by handle

          

Bro, are you running against John Kerry?????

They didn't recommends mask back then because 1)They didn't *know* that's how it spread and 2)They wanted to make sure the hospital workers had enough masks.

They never said "Wearing a mask is wrong and stupid and gives you the disease so never never ever ever never wear a mask!!"

Turns out the learnt some new shit and change the recommendations.

Trumps guidance was "It'll disappear in the summer."

And why are we wearing a mask and waiting for the vaccine??

1)Because masks have been shown to help.

2)It's wait for the vaccine or hope that herd immunity would work. (Also giving the disease to ^ billion people on the planet would lead to at LEAST 10 millions deaths (1% death rate.)

What's you idea then? Please tell us how you'd handle it. (And if you change your mind we're DAMN SURE going to call you a flip flopper.)

Or did you just want to question the motives of everyone and then have us say "Wow bro, you are totally right. Where can I like and subscribe??"

(Even after the vaccine it'll keep spreading for some time - stopping wearing masks and social distancing will ramp down - not go away over night.)

As for overwhelming the system, just wait until school starts before the vaccine. We'll be overwhelmed soon.

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flipnile
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9. "You believe that a top Dr. with 50+years experience *didn't* know..."
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How virus, bacteria and other infectious diseases are spread?

>They didn't recommends mask back then because 1)They didn't
>*know* that's how it spread and

Do hospital workers buy masks at Home Depot and Lowes? Otherwise, how would regular people deplete hospital stocks?

>2)They wanted to make sure the
>hospital workers had enough masks.

>They never said "Wearing a mask is wrong and stupid and gives
>you the disease so never never ever ever never wear a mask!!"

>Turns out the learnt some new shit and change the
>recommendations.
>
>Trumps guidance was "It'll disappear in the summer."
>
>And why are we wearing a mask and waiting for the vaccine??
>
>1)Because masks have been shown to help.
>
>2)It's wait for the vaccine or hope that herd immunity would
>work. (Also giving the disease to ^ billion people on the
>planet would lead to at LEAST 10 millions deaths (1% death
>rate.)
>
>What's you idea then? Please tell us how you'd handle it. (And
>if you change your mind we're DAMN SURE going to call you a
>flip flopper.)

The same way we handle most other diseases with a very low death rate... let it go.

Also, I'd recommend a better diet, exercise, not smoking and other things to improve one's natural health (something that I don't see from the .gov at all)

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>Or did you just want to question the motives of everyone and
>then have us say "Wow bro, you are totally right. Where can I
>like and subscribe??"

Nah, I don't really care about validation. I'm only seeking to engage in discussion with open-minded rather than prove points on the Internet.

>(Even after the vaccine it'll keep spreading for some time -
>stopping wearing masks and social distancing will ramp down -
>not go away over night.)
>
>As for overwhelming the system, just wait until school starts
>before the vaccine. We'll be overwhelmed soon.

Same way the months of protests over the summer have overwhelmed us?

  

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11. "well, not all viruses and diseases are the same"
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And this particular virus is less than a year old, so I’m not sure why you think they would immediately know everything about it.

“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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13. "They still aren't sure how it's transmitted"
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You ain't the only one whose got problems. You ain't the only one who knows pain. Get up off your ass and just solve them. You still got a chance to try to change, try the shit again.
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35. "If true, wouldn't any vaccine now being developed be highly suspect?"
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Tue Sep-01-20 06:31 PM by flipnile

          

If they *don't* know for sure how it's transmitted right now, then how can they design an effective vaccine to stop it right now?


Also, kinda aside but notice the "a technique never used before in humans" line about RNA vaccines: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/mrna-vaccines-covid-19-180975330/


Somehow it makes me a deplorable person if I state that I don't think it's a good idea to take a not-properly-tested, highly experimental vaccine.

  

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14. "I guess you don't understand what a NOVEL virus is"
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>How virus, bacteria and other infectious diseases are
>spread?

So ALL viruses spread by air?? or all bacteria do? You're just purposefully being obtuse.



>Do hospital workers buy masks at Home Depot and Lowes?
>Otherwise, how would regular people deplete hospital stocks?

They would BUY THEM. You think there's a completely segregated system for masks??? Well your wrong. And then they'd sell to the highest profit channel. Don't think that prices wouldn't skyrocket - becuase THEY DID.


>The same way we handle most other diseases with a very low
>death rate... let it go.

I get it it - you don't MIND 1% of the population dying, and 10%-20% FUCKED up with long term health consequences. I reject your stupid fucking idea.


>Also, I'd recommend a better diet, exercise, not smoking and
>other things to improve one's natural health (something that I
>don't see from the .gov at all)

Who are you Bill Maher?? Blame the victims.And the ones who you can't find some way to blame - well there's so few that you don't give a fuck that they die.


>Nah, I don't really care about validation. I'm only seeking to
>engage in discussion with open-minded rather than prove points
>on the Internet.

All that you've proven is your a fucking monster.


>Same way the months of protests over the summer have
>overwhelmed us?

Those people were wearing masks and mainly outside - which both LOWER the infection rate.

You get a bunch of kids back into cramped schools with the doors closed because it's getting cold and they'll be A LOT more cases.

But in your world EVERYTHING'S the same. Viruses spread the same outside when masked in in a classroom with the door shut and 30 grade school kids in it with the heater on. (If those kids would only stop SMOKING!!!)

You value human life less than you value scoring points on the Internet. Got it.

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flipnile
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26. "A novel coronavirus is still a coronavirus."
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They transmit the same way, through the respiratory tract.

  

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18. "no way you're this dumb. Like, none"
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"do healthcare workers get their masks at home depot?"

I'm legit crying. This entire thread.


Tell me this is satire because if so, its brilliant.

  

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27. "What's dumb is the idea that people buying n95 masks at HD..."
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...was somehow going to create a shortage for healthcare workers. That's the reasoning Fauci gave for initially saying not to wear masks.

Again, do hospitals stock their PPE from Home Depot and Lowes? Because that's where regular people can buy this stuff.

How else would Fauci's excuse about "not creating a shortage for medical workers" make sense otherwise?

Did you watch the videos?

  

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30. "Do you think Home Depot and Lowes make N95 masks?"
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Tue Sep-01-20 06:07 PM by Mynoriti

  

          

in fact Home Depot halted selling masks when this started so they could donate them to hospitals

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43. "the Home Depot manufacturing plant is nuts man"
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one hour they are making shovels

the next masks.

a few hours later, they are banging out light bulbs.


One day, we gotta figure out a better way...

  

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45. "dude thinks they just make everything in the back"
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31. "Your either a liar or stupid"
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If you think there's no overlap.

Or that *either one* of them could ramp up to meet demand. Not every hospital worked was masked up 100% of the time with a N95 (or even a procedure mask) before this - now they are.

Or you're right a FAUCI WANTED PEOPLE TO DIE TO CRIPPLE THE ECONOMY AND CONTROL PEOPLE BECAUSE HE'S a STUPID GENIUS!!!!


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34. "dude said that shit with his chest too."
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46. "I bet this went plat on Facebook for entirely different reasons"
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I was/am not ready for someone on Okayplayer opening up with the "you can't trust a scientist/dr/expert who changed their viewpoint as they got more information" logic

then following up with 'dropping bombs' about healthcare workers not getting their masks where we do though?? ...sheesh.

Please tell me its a joke.

  

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3. "Fauci was clearly paid off by big mask"
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I mean it could be that public health officials were concerned of a shortage of sufficient PPE for front line health care workers who needed it most and coudn't trust the same toilet paper hoarding public not to to the same with masks, and then once they knew they had enough masks, encouraged the public to wear them to help slow the spread

but that's just crazy

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22. "cmon bro this changing information is shady bro"
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like...why does information on this change as time goes on bro?

like...this is all shady af bro.


And check this...Fauci can be rearranged to spell icu fa....or "I C U Fuck America" bro.

Its a warning.

And we are all typing on machines made by Bill Gates bro.


And what happened to chicken pox bro?

  

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25. "Dunno about you but "Fauci" and "5G" sound a little too similar"
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4. "I told my people..."
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in a few weeks I’m not leaving the house for nothing until February, if then.

fix it Jesus


**faints**

  

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12. "Covid, protests, a completely fucked economy... and the election"
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Sprinkle-in a little cold war between global superpowers and this fall is lining up to be quite spicy.

Yet, folks get angry at me when I point this out.

I think it's normalcy bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

  

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5. "I've repeatedly told y'all what flipnile is"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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6. "DTS"
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7. "he's trash"
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8. "^the anti-vaxxer cosign"
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20. "dont want bill gates tracking us with those secret zune chips fam."
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the elon musk robot implanted brain fitbits sound cool as hell tho.

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42. "hahaha I assume these galaxy brains don't use cell phones"
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"Bill Gates will track you" lol he already does

  

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10. "Fauci is trash?"
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“So back we go to these questions — friendship, character… ethics.”

  

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15. "we have 4% of the world population but 20% of the covid deaths"
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if you ever wonder why...just look at niggas like this poster.

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Mynoriti
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17. "only country even close to us is Brazil"
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another place with an anti-mask/open it all up! bozo at the helm.

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Reeq
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21. "big hydroxychloroquine fan too."
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its almost like the same forces that put these people in power are also driving the similarities in public policy.

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GOMEZ
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16. "Your math is wrong"
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"6,055,000 confirmed cases w/ 184,000 deaths = 0.03%. 1/3 of one percent."

it it equals .03, which is 3%. So like 10x what you just said it was.


carry on though.

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Stadiq
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19. "hahahaha I'm crying"
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No way this thread is real.

  

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Reeq
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23. "why arent we just doing herd immunity"
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that already failed dramatically in the uk and sweden?

that could work here.

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37. "we don't know if reinfection is a thing or nah. "
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Reeq
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39. "reinfection is looking more like a thing"
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with antibodies diminishing after a few months and a vaccine likely to have to be taken on an ongoing basis.

i think you missed the sarcasm tho lol.

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29. "True."
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Stadiq
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44. "thats it? True? You were literally 100X wrong"
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double negative
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38. "NIGGA, death ain't every fucking goddamn thing. "
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Whew lord.

Sorry I got stank, but, I'm tired - tired - TIE-ERRRD of this argument

"folks ain't dying as much as we thought....see, told ya'll this shit is fake"



do you still forget that covid will royally fuck your shit up?

you think dying from respiratory issues is all there is?



heres what keeps me up at night:

-increased rates of stroke and heart attack in adults in the 30 to 40 age bracket - I have to take beta blockers, to regulate my blood pressure, I have a non fatal heart condition that would be a bitch to manage if I had a bad infection.

-covid related hyper inflammatory disease in children. which, btw seems to disproportionately affect Afro Caribbean children

-covid brain - an emerging side effect that makes you feel stupid, lots and lots of brain fog

-long term respiratory damage

-the still yet to be answered question on reinfection



I'm watching the news, I'm catching the headlines...what fear are you seeing? What fear is being pushed?

To me it seems like we're where we were last month and the month before that "and today in the news...covid is still a thing, ok, back to you dianne"

what fear mongering are you seeing?

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Damali
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40. "why are y'all even entertaining this dumbass?"
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he isn't interested in logic or reason at all.

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41. "delete this dumb post please "
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47. "I feel like points have been made"
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

  

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