Haven't heard that term in quite some time.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/20200403_Flatten_the_curve_animated_GIF.gif


The goal was to avoid 'exponential growth' leading to an overloaded healthcare system, right? Seems like we've done that.

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/graphics/2020/03/10/us-coronavirus-map-tracking-united-states-outbreak/4945223002/

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

6,055,000 confirmed cases w/ 184,000 deaths = 0.03%. 1/3 of one percent.


So when and how did the goal become 'wear your mask while the .gov creates a vaccine, and get everyone vaccinated?'

Speaking of masks, remember when the Fauci said this in May: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLNBw7XCM4Q then flip-flopped to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfbH3oko9SA

What "new" information about virus transmission and masks did he get in the past few months that he didn't get in the 54 YEARS since he became a doctor?


These moving goalposts are shady-as-fuck, and it's quite scary to see folks marching lock-step with the fear-based narrative.

Why are you sharing it here?

Just discussion.

Why is this such a touchy subject?

Fact is the virus and the handling of the response to it has been politicized into a left vs right issue. Dead-giveaway that our (us regular citizens) best interests aren't the priority.


"When two elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers"

I think there’s a world of people that agree with you, and it doesn’t seem to be here. And that by seeking engagement for what the thoughts you’re expressing this far into current situation, it seems like you’re seeking validation rather than actual change.

>And that by seeking engagement
>for what the thoughts you’re expressing this far into
>current situation, it seems like you’re seeking validation
>rather than actual change.


I only encourage people to question the world around them and think for themselves.

I didn't write this post with hopes that anyone would agree with me, I wrote it in order to spark a discussion and get other points of view about the actual subject (the moving of goalposts by the .gov and how dangerous a precedent that could be for us in the future).

No one bothered to respond to the subject however.

no one "moved goalpoats" the goal has always been the same. slow the virus as much as possible and work towards a vaccine. Fauci and the CDC are working within an administration that doesn't believe in science and is basically hostile towards them (same can be said for the senate). it's a unique and fucked up situation.

the mask "filp flop" has been explained ad nauseum by Fauci and people in this post. it's a painfully simple explanation that you refuse to accept.

then you (admittedly) dropped false stats on the death rate. Never mind that we are doing worse than every country on earth, and the countries who have fared so much better just happened to take mask wearing and social distancing seriously.

but you want to tell yourself a story that everyone's opinion on covid is driven by partisan politics and your're the voice of reason asking the tough questions to drive discussion, or vague references on how "they" want us to live in fear.

bad faith, bs

Bro, are you running against John Kerry?????

They didn't recommends mask back then because 1)They didn't *know* that's how it spread and 2)They wanted to make sure the hospital workers had enough masks.

They never said "Wearing a mask is wrong and stupid and gives you the disease so never never ever ever never wear a mask!!"

Turns out the learnt some new shit and change the recommendations.

Trumps guidance was "It'll disappear in the summer."

And why are we wearing a mask and waiting for the vaccine??

1)Because masks have been shown to help.

2)It's wait for the vaccine or hope that herd immunity would work. (Also giving the disease to ^ billion people on the planet would lead to at LEAST 10 millions deaths (1% death rate.)

What's you idea then? Please tell us how you'd handle it. (And if you change your mind we're DAMN SURE going to call you a flip flopper.)

Or did you just want to question the motives of everyone and then have us say "Wow bro, you are totally right. Where can I like and subscribe??"

(Even after the vaccine it'll keep spreading for some time - stopping wearing masks and social distancing will ramp down - not go away over night.)

As for overwhelming the system, just wait until school starts before the vaccine. We'll be overwhelmed soon.

How virus, bacteria and other infectious diseases are spread?

>They didn't recommends mask back then because 1)They didn't
>*know* that's how it spread and

Do hospital workers buy masks at Home Depot and Lowes? Otherwise, how would regular people deplete hospital stocks?

>2)They wanted to make sure the
>hospital workers had enough masks.

>They never said "Wearing a mask is wrong and stupid and gives
>you the disease so never never ever ever never wear a mask!!"

>Turns out the learnt some new shit and change the
>recommendations.
>
>Trumps guidance was "It'll disappear in the summer."
>
>And why are we wearing a mask and waiting for the vaccine??
>
>1)Because masks have been shown to help.
>
>2)It's wait for the vaccine or hope that herd immunity would
>work. (Also giving the disease to ^ billion people on the
>planet would lead to at LEAST 10 millions deaths (1% death
>rate.)
>
>What's you idea then? Please tell us how you'd handle it. (And
>if you change your mind we're DAMN SURE going to call you a
>flip flopper.)

The same way we handle most other diseases with a very low death rate... let it go.

Also, I'd recommend a better diet, exercise, not smoking and other things to improve one's natural health (something that I don't see from the .gov at all)

>
>Or did you just want to question the motives of everyone and
>then have us say "Wow bro, you are totally right. Where can I
>like and subscribe??"

Nah, I don't really care about validation. I'm only seeking to engage in discussion with open-minded rather than prove points on the Internet.

>(Even after the vaccine it'll keep spreading for some time -
>stopping wearing masks and social distancing will ramp down -
>not go away over night.)
>
>As for overwhelming the system, just wait until school starts
>before the vaccine. We'll be overwhelmed soon.

Same way the months of protests over the summer have overwhelmed us?

And this particular virus is less than a year old, so I’m not sure why you think they would immediately know everything about it.

If they *don't* know for sure how it's transmitted right now, then how can they design an effective vaccine to stop it right now?


Also, kinda aside but notice the "a technique never used before in humans" line about RNA vaccines: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/mrna-vaccines-covid-19-180975330/


Somehow it makes me a deplorable person if I state that I don't think it's a good idea to take a not-properly-tested, highly experimental vaccine.

>How virus, bacteria and other infectious diseases are
>spread?

So ALL viruses spread by air?? or all bacteria do? You're just purposefully being obtuse.



>Do hospital workers buy masks at Home Depot and Lowes?
>Otherwise, how would regular people deplete hospital stocks?

They would BUY THEM. You think there's a completely segregated system for masks??? Well your wrong. And then they'd sell to the highest profit channel. Don't think that prices wouldn't skyrocket - becuase THEY DID.


>The same way we handle most other diseases with a very low
>death rate... let it go.

I get it it - you don't MIND 1% of the population dying, and 10%-20% FUCKED up with long term health consequences. I reject your stupid fucking idea.


>Also, I'd recommend a better diet, exercise, not smoking and
>other things to improve one's natural health (something that I
>don't see from the .gov at all)

Who are you Bill Maher?? Blame the victims.And the ones who you can't find some way to blame - well there's so few that you don't give a fuck that they die.


>Nah, I don't really care about validation. I'm only seeking to
>engage in discussion with open-minded rather than prove points
>on the Internet.

All that you've proven is your a fucking monster.


>Same way the months of protests over the summer have
>overwhelmed us?

Those people were wearing masks and mainly outside - which both LOWER the infection rate.

You get a bunch of kids back into cramped schools with the doors closed because it's getting cold and they'll be A LOT more cases.

But in your world EVERYTHING'S the same. Viruses spread the same outside when masked in in a classroom with the door shut and 30 grade school kids in it with the heater on. (If those kids would only stop SMOKING!!!)

You value human life less than you value scoring points on the Internet. Got it.

They transmit the same way, through the respiratory tract.

"do healthcare workers get their masks at home depot?"

I'm legit crying. This entire thread.


Tell me this is satire because if so, its brilliant.

...was somehow going to create a shortage for healthcare workers. That's the reasoning Fauci gave for initially saying not to wear masks.

Again, do hospitals stock their PPE from Home Depot and Lowes? Because that's where regular people can buy this stuff.

How else would Fauci's excuse about "not creating a shortage for medical workers" make sense otherwise?

Did you watch the videos?

in fact Home Depot halted selling masks when this started so they could donate them to hospitals

one hour they are making shovels

the next masks.

a few hours later, they are banging out light bulbs.


One day, we gotta figure out a better way...

If you think there's no overlap.

Or that *either one* of them could ramp up to meet demand. Not every hospital worked was masked up 100% of the time with a N95 (or even a procedure mask) before this - now they are.

Or you're right a FAUCI WANTED PEOPLE TO DIE TO CRIPPLE THE ECONOMY AND CONTROL PEOPLE BECAUSE HE'S a STUPID GENIUS!!!!

I was/am not ready for someone on Okayplayer opening up with the "you can't trust a scientist/dr/expert who changed their viewpoint as they got more information" logic

then following up with 'dropping bombs' about healthcare workers not getting their masks where we do though?? ...sheesh.

Please tell me its a joke.

I mean it could be that public health officials were concerned of a shortage of sufficient PPE for front line health care workers who needed it most and coudn't trust the same toilet paper hoarding public not to to the same with masks, and then once they knew they had enough masks, encouraged the public to wear them to help slow the spread

but that's just crazy

like...why does information on this change as time goes on bro?

like...this is all shady af bro.


And check this...Fauci can be rearranged to spell icu fa....or "I C U Fuck America" bro.

Its a warning.

And we are all typing on machines made by Bill Gates bro.


And what happened to chicken pox bro?

in a few weeks I’m not leaving the house for nothing until February, if then.

fix it Jesus


**faints**

Sprinkle-in a little cold war between global superpowers and this fall is lining up to be quite spicy.

Yet, folks get angry at me when I point this out.

I think it's normalcy bias: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>

the elon musk robot implanted brain fitbits sound cool as hell tho.

"Bill Gates will track you" lol he already does

if you ever wonder why...just look at niggas like this poster.

another place with an anti-mask/open it all up! bozo at the helm.

its almost like the same forces that put these people in power are also driving the similarities in public policy.

"6,055,000 confirmed cases w/ 184,000 deaths = 0.03%. 1/3 of one percent."

it it equals .03, which is 3%. So like 10x what you just said it was.


carry on though.

No way this thread is real.

that already failed dramatically in the uk and sweden?

that could work here.

with antibodies diminishing after a few months and a vaccine likely to have to be taken on an ongoing basis.

i think you missed the sarcasm tho lol.

Whew lord.

Sorry I got stank, but, I'm tired - tired - TIE-ERRRD of this argument

"folks ain't dying as much as we thought....see, told ya'll this shit is fake"



do you still forget that covid will royally fuck your shit up?

you think dying from respiratory issues is all there is?



heres what keeps me up at night:

-increased rates of stroke and heart attack in adults in the 30 to 40 age bracket - I have to take beta blockers, to regulate my blood pressure, I have a non fatal heart condition that would be a bitch to manage if I had a bad infection.

-covid related hyper inflammatory disease in children. which, btw seems to disproportionately affect Afro Caribbean children

-covid brain - an emerging side effect that makes you feel stupid, lots and lots of brain fog

-long term respiratory damage

-the still yet to be answered question on reinfection



I'm watching the news, I'm catching the headlines...what fear are you seeing? What fear is being pushed?

To me it seems like we're where we were last month and the month before that "and today in the news...covid is still a thing, ok, back to you dianne"

what fear mongering are you seeing?

he isn't interested in logic or reason at all.

d

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at