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"IBS proves modern medicine is mostly in the dark"


          

People revel in the idea of modern medical advancements, but speaking from personal experience, when it comes to the digestive system, it's all guess work.

I have seen a total of 6 doctors, and I am currently speaking with a 7th. We are always at square 1.

What is more interesting that doctors do not represent an objective medical perspective. Every doctor has his/her own opinion regarding your issues. That means that the chances of receiving an incorrect diagnosis is very high. I'm learning that it's kind of like playing the lottery with your health, especially when it comes to the gut.

I personally believe human beings are developing so many gut issues because of our polluted environments and the food we are consuming. Is it not the height of human hubris to change the genetic patterns of organisms that have been developing for millions of years? Genetically modified foods may have doomed us all. How can we think we know what is better for nature, or for ourselves? I'm honestly at a loss.

Take care of your stomach's and if you don't have any issues, thank your lucky stars. Remember though, if you keep dumping crap into your stomach, one day, it's going to quit on you and you will regret your choices. Caffeine, alcohol, and processed foods will destroy us all.

~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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Yes, you're right. If doctors don't know everything, they know nothing
Mar 05th 2015
1
When it comes to the digestive system, they really don't know a thing.
Mar 05th 2015
2
most of us eat these genetically engineered whatever
Mar 05th 2015
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I think it may be a matter of time, degree of abuse.
Mar 05th 2015
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*shrugs*
Mar 05th 2015
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      Statistics say otherwise, shrug.
Mar 05th 2015
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           cool.
Mar 05th 2015
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RE: most of us eat these genetically engineered whatever
Mar 05th 2015
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      Word. Well Said.
Mar 05th 2015
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      this is all i said:
Mar 05th 2015
49
           What are some of the other factors you think contribute?
Mar 05th 2015
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                genetics, stress, environment
Mar 06th 2015
70
had a fecal transplant yet?
Mar 05th 2015
6
I was on advanced bifido probiotics for a bit.
Mar 05th 2015
9
^^^
Mar 05th 2015
10
well now we know why you spout so much bullshit
Mar 05th 2015
11
lol @ bullshit
Mar 05th 2015
12
Have you been tested for leaky gut, SIBO, h. pylori?
Mar 05th 2015
13
So far I have been tested for H.Pylori and had a complete allergy test
Mar 05th 2015
14
I battled with undiagnosed SIBO for years
Mar 06th 2015
65
Sorry i just read the body of the post.
Mar 05th 2015
15
Irritable Bowel Syndrome.
Mar 05th 2015
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sorry about your condition.
Mar 05th 2015
16
Thank you, it's been a struggle.
Mar 05th 2015
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I imagine that's tough to deal with
Mar 05th 2015
20
It's a nightmare. Truly.
Mar 05th 2015
24
IBD, too
Mar 05th 2015
21
Wow.
Mar 05th 2015
25
since 2008
Mar 05th 2015
57
      I am truly sorry.
Mar 05th 2015
58
very insane
Mar 05th 2015
32
certain foods can trigger IBS after its onset
Mar 05th 2015
22
Yes, I'm learning emotions are a big part of it.
Mar 05th 2015
26
i know that struggle.
Mar 05th 2015
29
      Yeah, or smoke opium, lol
Mar 05th 2015
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its shocking that one's mental state
Mar 05th 2015
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Yeah. anything that you internalize/don't deal with, impacts your health
Mar 05th 2015
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they work in tandem.
Mar 05th 2015
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*clears throat*
Mar 05th 2015
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      It's all theoretical. That's part of the problem.
Mar 05th 2015
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Sadly, we are in the dark ages about a lot of these bowel diseases
Mar 05th 2015
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Definitely.
Mar 05th 2015
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lol thats quite an extrapolation
Mar 05th 2015
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Direct from several doctors:
Mar 05th 2015
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      are you familiar with the definition of extrapolate?
Mar 05th 2015
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           Yes, and you're right.
Mar 05th 2015
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           yeah but there is some wisdom in his extrapolation (*some*)
Mar 05th 2015
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                interestingly enough, gluten intolerance has been shown to be false as w...
Mar 05th 2015
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                right, that is what i mean. "intellectual" laziness
Mar 05th 2015
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                     Right, good point.
Mar 05th 2015
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                     But the gluten scare wasn't perpetrated by the medical community
Mar 06th 2015
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                yes there is still much to be learned about gastroenterology
Mar 05th 2015
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                     You are speaking out of your ass and speculating.
Mar 05th 2015
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Yeah, digestion is largely a mystery and a moving target, it seems
Mar 05th 2015
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Thank you, this is great information.
Mar 05th 2015
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      yeah i thought about that, too
Mar 05th 2015
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           Word, there are cannabinoid receptors in the stomach
Mar 05th 2015
43
Some of that good global warming logic
Mar 05th 2015
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I was ofcourse being somewhat sensational.
Mar 05th 2015
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Turmeric powder has helped some
Mar 05th 2015
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I cook everything too.
Mar 05th 2015
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What are your symptoms?
Mar 05th 2015
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IBS symptoms vary from person to person, however
Mar 05th 2015
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      Damn
Mar 05th 2015
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      RE: Damn
Mar 05th 2015
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      Sounds like you have candida and/or an enzyme / bacteria imbalance.
Mar 05th 2015
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      Thanks.
Mar 05th 2015
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      this is random but that is an almost exact account of symptoms
Mar 06th 2015
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           Had all my organs checked and they are healthy
Mar 06th 2015
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GI issues are just horrible.
Mar 06th 2015
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How did you work it out??
Mar 06th 2015
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This reminds me of that time Cam'ron sh*tted himself onstage.
Mar 06th 2015
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Sounds like he has Crohn's disease.
Mar 06th 2015
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Here is a thought, should GI problems be left alone?
Mar 06th 2015
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John Forte
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1. "Yes, you're right. If doctors don't know everything, they know nothing"
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2. "When it comes to the digestive system, they really don't know a thing."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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3. "most of us eat these genetically engineered whatever"
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and don't end up w/IBS symptoms.

so i don't think we can point to GM food as the sole or even primary source of IBS issues like yours.

best of luck.

fuck you.

  

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4. "I think it may be a matter of time, degree of abuse."
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I used to be overweight when I was young and I overate a lot. Not only that, I ate a ton of acidic and spicy foods. I would literally flood anything I ate with the hottest sauce I could find, only to bury it with copious amounts of alcohol and caffeine. I used to think I had an iron stomach as I could drink anyone under the table and have room for food, and I never got sick or trhew up. It did not matter how much I ate or drank.

However, IBS issues, gluten and lactose intolerance is on the rise, as is diabetes.

That *has* to do something with our food production. Also, our societies are high stress inducing as well. People like to "eat on the go" and they do everything in a "New York minute" but maybe that is not how our bodies are built. We evolved from tree climbing primates that would chillax for most of the day, eating nothing but fruit. Is it not possible we are over taxing a system that is not ready for so much chemical/meat consumption, or that our bodies are simply rejecting the food we process/genetically modify?

Thank you. It's hell.

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5. "*shrugs*"
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i think we'll be fine.

best of luck.

fuck you.

  

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7. "Statistics say otherwise, shrug."
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Diabetes is going to be on epidemic levels very soon. I have looked at the data and it is shocking. The rise of food intolerance is also highly indicative.

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8. "cool."
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fuck you.

  

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19. "RE: most of us eat these genetically engineered whatever"
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>and don't end up w/IBS symptoms.
>
>so i don't think we can point to GM food as the sole or even
>primary source of IBS issues like yours.

I think it can reasonably be considered a contributing factor - though obvious not
the only factor. Genetics play a huge role, of course, but environmental factors
are significant and should continually be studied, particularly as new GM foods
are introduced. Obviously we know about the damage that processed foods
can do on the body.

I think what we sometimes forget is that the body is incredibly resilient, and can
transform absolute junk into energy and function fairly efficiently off of it, but
of course even the most pristine Bugatti Veyron engine will fail after an 'x' amount
of mileage, particularly if it's not maintained and properly fueled.


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23. "Word. Well Said."
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Most of the studies done on GMOs are short term. We need at least 100 years to see the impact. Short term studies are not enough, however, food intolerance is on the rise and so is heart disease and diabetes, so what does that tell us?

Also, bacteria is developing resistance to antibiotics because it's in our food and we are over saturated with it.

There was a study that found antibiotics in mother's natural breast milk. Babies are ingesting antibiotics before they can make their own decisions, etc. Surely, that is going to have an impact as it's already showing its face.

Here is a good Ted talk on the issue:

https://www.ted.com/talks/ramanan_laxminarayan_the_coming_crisis_in_antibiotics?language=en

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49. "this is all i said:"
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>I think it can reasonably be considered a contributing factor
>- though obvious not
>the only factor.

the rest is superfluous.

fuck you.

  

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59. "What are some of the other factors you think contribute?"
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Just curious, not arguing.

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70. "genetics, stress, environment"
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fuck you.

  

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6. "had a fecal transplant yet?"
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Heard there have been some good advances there lately in restoring goood bacteria to the gut.

Or maybe you're just stressed.

Just IMO though.

  

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9. "I was on advanced bifido probiotics for a bit."
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That seemed to cause more issues. Everything that I had tested looks normal and healthy, so therein lies the mystery which no doctor can solve. There are no indicators of an unhealthy system at all, except the symptoms I suffer from.

>
>Or maybe you're just stressed.


I wonder. I may be stuck in a loop where I worry about my symptoms, which creates more symptoms, but its really hard to keep your composure when it is happening for so long. It's incredibly frustrating.

I decided to stop taking all my medication to give my stomach an opportunity to work itself out. I will be eating very little and only alkaline when I do to see.

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11. "well now we know why you spout so much bullshit"
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I'm joking, couldn't help it.

Good luck man, nothing worse than endless bubble gut.

Try to eat saltine or oyster crackers

  

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12. "lol @ bullshit"
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That's one way to look at it

It's a struggle, I just wanna be free to eat again. I loved food, and now, it looks like pain & suffering, haha.

There have been some good pro's from all this. I lost a grip of weight, and I have more energy than before, but, my stomach will not stfu. Argh.

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13. "Have you been tested for leaky gut, SIBO, h. pylori?"
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Food intolerances?

You can buy a test from Metametrix yourself. Although it's expensive it would tell you a lot of information.

  

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14. "So far I have been tested for H.Pylori and had a complete allergy test"
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Negative for H.pylori and no food/environmental allergies at all.


>Food intolerances?
>

Haven't had any specific testing for this but I never drank or consumed milk products to begin with. I have been eating Gluten forever without any issues. Constipation is a good sign of gluten intolerance, and I have perfect bowel movements, the process of getting to that movement is the nightmarish part.

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65. "I battled with undiagnosed SIBO for years"
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It was horrible.

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15. "Sorry i just read the body of the post."
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-The Knicks’ coaching search still includes a lone frontrunner, Kurt Rambis, whose qualifications for the position include a strong relationship with Jackson and a willingness to take the job.

  

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17. "Irritable Bowel Syndrome."
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18. "Thank you, it's been a struggle."
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Everyday I'm suffering! (I wish I was hustling though.)

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20. "I imagine that's tough to deal with"
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keep trying new methods/intake via trial & error and you will likely
find something that works for your particular body/system. That you
are open to non-traditional means of treatment/medicine is great because
you're able to better experiment with various forms of assistance.

Have you ever tried a (properly guided) colon/organ cleanse?

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24. "It's a nightmare. Truly."
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I used to hear about it and had no idea how much people truly suffered until it hit me. Its relentless. It has impacted me in many negative ways but I have to keep fighting.

I had a really bad case of food poisoning at the onset of this, so I am hoping my body is still recovering from that, but it's hard to say. I think I lost a lot of my stomach flora during my poisoning, and damaged my stomach lining and as far as I know this takes time to heal, so it could be that.


>Have you ever tried a (properly guided) colon/organ cleanse?
>

I am on that path now. Had an endoscopy, and I think I'm about to get a Colonoscopy, so I'm waiting to see the results of that before I make any big moves.

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21. "IBD, too"
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it's kind of insane that the "cure" is bowel resection

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25. "Wow."
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I haven't even thought about that. Insane indeed. I wish you well, how long have you been dealing with this for?

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57. "since 2008"
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It was diagnosed in early 2009, and about a week later I was diagnosed with breast cancer. Breast cancer is long gone, and the ulcerative colitis continues to be a challenge. Go figure.

I told my boss a few years ago that I wish it were a fatal disease because (i) then it would get more funding and attention and real solutions would be found and (ii) who the fuck wants to live with this forever?

A few years later, he was diagnosed with it. How's that for weird.


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58. "I am truly sorry."
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I can't imagine how difficult the past few years must have been for you. I have only been dealing with this for 5 month's.

Do you have regular symptoms or do you ever get some relief?

Happy to hear you beat the cancer, and I wish there was more medicine could do to help you with the colitis. This aside, t sounds like you are a very strong individual.

>I told my boss a few years ago that I wish it were a fatal
>disease because (i) then it would get more funding and
>attention and real solutions would be found and (ii) who the
>fuck wants to live with this forever?

Yeah. It's a nightmare. Perhaps if more and more people are diagnosed with it, society will take it seriously and make reforms to how we produce our food.

>
>A few years later, he was diagnosed with it. How's that for
>weird.
>

Terrible.

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32. "very insane"
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>it's kind of insane that the "cure" is bowel resection
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22. "certain foods can trigger IBS after its onset"
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however, i don't think there's much evidence to show food is the cause of IBS. from what i understand, IBS is primarily brought on by chronic anxiety and stress. once onset, IBS symptoms can be triggered for no reason or due to stress/anxiety/food. there's also medication out there than stop stomach spasms if you're having an attack.

edit to add: there's research out there showing meditation and mindfulness can alleviate symptoms.

  

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26. "Yes, I'm learning emotions are a big part of it."
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I can stress and worry too much sometimes, and I work too many hours as well.

The thing is, its hard not to worry/stress when you get an attack or if the symptoms last for a long time, it slowly, and surely, wears you down. When you finally give up and give in to the anger, its definitely damaging but its so hard to keep your cool. I say "Fuck you" to my stomach at least 5 times a week, it's just pure and raw frustration.

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29. "i know that struggle."
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it might help you to look into some community mindfulness or meditation classes in your neighborhood to acquainted with it. they're often free and can give you a nice introduction to it. the thing with meditation is practice. so doing it all the time, especially when you're no in the throes of symptoms. i would practice it in the morning before getting out of bed, waiting at the doctor's office, etc.

like you said, it's really hard to meditate when your stomach is fighting you.

  

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31. "Yeah, or smoke opium, lol"
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Jk, kinda. At this point, I would do it if it was accessible, but I am going to try meditating and managing my emotions more effectively. I just have to resign myself to the reality that I am going to suffer for a while and accept it.

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27. "its shocking that one's mental state"
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can have such a great physical impact.

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28. "Yeah. anything that you internalize/don't deal with, impacts your health"
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I never knew the power of stress on the body until now, obviously, and its no joke. Pay attention to your abdomen when you are stressing out or angry, you will notice that it is always tight.

It's almost as if our bodies not only metabolize food, but emotions as well, and some can be quite toxic.

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30. "they work in tandem."
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the "mind and body" connection is so real.

  

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51. "*clears throat*"
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>however, i don't think there's much evidence to show food is
>the cause of IBS.

fuck you.

  

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60. "It's all theoretical. That's part of the problem."
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33. "Sadly, we are in the dark ages about a lot of these bowel diseases"
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I know someone with Crohn's that progressed from UC.... And what he goes through is awful. The treatment consist of medicine that barely works, corticosteroids that cause cancer or taking parts of his intestines out....

We really need to be pushing the FDA on fast tracking these fecal transplants approvals. I have a feeling that money, rather the lack of money to be made from them, means it will be a slow process.


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36. "Definitely."
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It shocked me to be honest. I thought we knew something, anything, but not really, all guess work. I'm eagerly waiting for my colonoscopy so I can rule out other possible causes. I think I may have ulcers in my intestine but every doctor said I am too young for that, so we will see.

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34. "lol thats quite an extrapolation"
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35. "Direct from several doctors:"
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"We just don't know."
"There are a few studies that state this or that but we just don't know."
"In theory, X, Y, Z, but not enough research has been done."

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39. "are you familiar with the definition of extrapolate?"
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You have extemded your specific scenario to encompass the entire field of medicine

That is not a logical conclusion. That is a conclusion with bias towards your own experience with no consideration of the greater reality.

  

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41. "Yes, and you're right. "
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>You have extemded your specific scenario to encompass the
>entire field of medicine
>
>That is not a logical conclusion. That is a conclusion with
>bias towards your own experience with no consideration of the
>greater reality.

Sure. To the greater picture, for sure, to digestive issues, I'm dead on.

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42. "yeah but there is some wisdom in his extrapolation (*some*)"
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look at the knee-jerking to gluten allergies and stuff like that. like i said, digestive health is more of a moving target than some other areas and not all that much known about how to control it effectively.

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44. "interestingly enough, gluten intolerance has been shown to be false as w..."
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At least by one study, people who claimed to have gluten intolerance were given gluten and showed no symptoms.

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52. "right, that is what i mean. "intellectual" laziness"
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a minute ago it seemed like gluten was this menace, now it's turning out to be an overdiagnosed problem in the absence of real answers. and it's hardly alone in medicine.

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53. "Right, good point."
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67. "But the gluten scare wasn't perpetrated by the medical community"
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It was perpetrated by people who heard stories of people who had real celiac disease, and felt better off gluten - because they had a very real, very physical autoimmune disease. The medical community at large never came out ringing the warning bell against gluten, it was just a bunch of armchair doctors reading WebMD and garbage magazines being irresponsible, loud, and wrong.

If anything, the medical community it too slow to act on new information. Take dietary fats. The newest research suggests that even dietary cholesterol (e.g., eggs) is not the danger we thought it was - and the FDA just put out a notice telling the public that. http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/19/health/dietary-guidelines/ But I still work with cardiologists who caution their patients, including and especially those who've suffered heart attacks, cautioning them to limit their fat intake. But we've been saying that for decades, and heart disease remains on the rise. So, maybe the problem is the sugar that processed food manufacturers adulterate low-fat foods with to enhance taste. That sugar affects circulating hormone levels, affecting fat molecule breakdown and formation, as well as liver function, and is probably more to blame for cholesterol problems than fat intake.

Trans-fats are still bad, probably, and maybe for reasons not cholesterol related (i.e., cancer). But on a Saturday you can bet I'll go IN on a baked avocado with a whole egg in the middle.

Anyway, don't blame the medical community for perpetuating bullshit health fads, and don't throw the baby out with the bath water when it comes to one of the rare syndromes where they really don't have an effective standard of care. You catch the bug, you can bet your ass you'll be ringing them up for some triple cocktail.

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50. "yes there is still much to be learned about gastroenterology"
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But that doesnt mean his subject isnt a flat lie

  

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54. "You are speaking out of your ass and speculating."
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I spoke to 6 doctors who were all clueless. Everything they think they know is all theoretical and changes from case to case. The most common answer was:

"We don't know as there hasn't been enough research."

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37. "Yeah, digestion is largely a mystery and a moving target, it seems"
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That said, experiment on your own and really study what you take in and how you react.

I didn't have IBS but I had a weird digestive issue a couple years ago and at the worst time. I was losing my appetite and experiencing constant discomfort but without any gas, diarrhea or other such symptoms. I cut things out of my diet slowly, started taking digest/repair gold supplements and getting tests to see if any enzymes were deficient. most of the numbers were good but i took kind of a catch-all enzyme therapy just in case.

simplifying my diet for a while (basically ate grilled fish and sometimes shrimp or chicken) helped immensely. i gradually integrated some bread and dairy back into my diet. there is this stuff called HCL with pepsin that also helped me, i still take it now, actually. now my digestive health is great, no discomfort, very regular, etc. i don't know if this same regimen will work for you, but i had to play guess-and-check because doctors just gave me stuff for common disorders i didnt have and kept ordering empty tests. my (now ex) girlfriend that i met soon after had a similar experience; like they wanted to give a 20-year-old girl a colonoscopy. i joked with her that i would be the only one rooting around in her ass, and we proceeded to reduce her stress levels, change her diet slightly and use a couple natural supplements (probiotics, mild fiber, HCL) to get her on track. she hasn't had any problems since.

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38. "Thank you, this is great information."
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Will take it all into consideration. I've practically cut everything out, the problem is, my stomach will have an episode even if its completely empty. A glass of water will produce a lot of gas. Something is up and it may not even be food related. The doctors and I just don't know.

It's possible that its related to my marijuana consumption so I am stopping that for a while to see as well. A couple of doctors said certain people have digestion issues due to the marijuana but they don't know why. I figured it was because people consume a lot more food that is processed when they are high, so that could be the case.

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40. "yeah i thought about that, too"
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like i had started smoking wax not long before this happened so i thought maybe the transition from flower to wax had something to do with it. i couldnt tell you for sure if that was the case. i used wax to treat the discomfort but then i left the country for a while and went somewhere with only flower. later i went back to wax. so was there some cooling off period that helped me? or was it never a factor at all?

i have certainly never heard of any sort of murr-juana consumption leading to gas or digestive issues though. i guess it cant hurt to guess-and-check that, too, though. i dont think eating less will help you, probably just create more air and more gas. just like when you dot eat for a long time in a day and then eat quickly, you are guaranteed to let out a big ass burp or two.

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43. "Word, there are cannabinoid receptors in the stomach"
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Maybe my stomach is just too weak right now to heal itself and process the thc, as I believe the thc stimulates acid production in the stomach which causes the munchies, so perhaps that's why it starts revolting.

Thank you again for the advise, I am going to incorporate a lot of it.

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45. "Some of that good global warming logic"
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"It's snowing here. No way the planet's getting warmer"

or

"I'm having a sub-optimal medical experience. The whole industry must be doomed"

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47. "I was ofcourse being somewhat sensational."
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Due to the constant suffering I have been enduring for the past 5 month's. Forgive me.

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46. "Turmeric powder has helped some"
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I've had the problem off and on, mostly off these days since I started consuming more turmeric powder. I make a ginger/turmeric tea as well as use turmeric in a variety of recipes for dinner.


Apparently turmeric reduces the inflammation and abnormal muscle contractions in the bowel.


Consuming large mounts of mostly processed foods hasn't done any of us any favors, cooking your own food may be one of the best ways to avoid these sort of problems, these days I cook everything, avoiding as much processed food as possible or at the least giving my body a break from processed foods several days a week.

  

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48. "I cook everything too."
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Tumeric, interesting. I'll try some tonight on my quinoa salad, haha. That's really all I'm eating right now. Quinoa and mostly veggies and some fruit, and eggs.

Overall, I find processed food to be way too expensive. 1 bought meal is the equivalent to at least 2 good home cooked meals if not more.

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55. "What are your symptoms?"
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I'm trying to figure out if I have IBS myself.

  

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56. "IBS symptoms vary from person to person, however"
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I have the following:

- Constant bubbling in my stomach
- Sometimes the bubbling travels down to my bowels
- Extreme amount of gas, to the point where breathing is impaired
- Sometimes the gas will sit just on the brink of a belch and torment me for some time before coming out, only to be replaced by another bubble
- A lot of internal gas as well that can produce painful cramps in my stomach and bowels
- A painful tightening of my stomach muscles
- No real hunger

More common IBS symptoms include diarrhea and constipation. I don't have either as I eat a high fiber diet and very modest servings/food.

What are your symptoms? Maybe I can help you. ConcreteCharlie also has some amazing advise in this post, I think it would serve you well to read it.

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61. "Damn"
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Does it impair you at work or your relationships?

I mostly have loose stools and constipation. Sometimes I'm like wtf -- why the hell are kale and beets of all things giving me diarrhea?? lol

And from my perspective, the most clueless experts are not doctors, but nutritionists. I think that pretty much everything we ever thought we knew about nutrition is wrong. Or at the least, far from universal. That includes the supposed miracle of paleo and high-fat, low-carb diets. My bowel has never been more out of control than when I decided to cut out carbs

  

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62. "RE: Damn"
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>That's a lot of gas. Does it impair you at work or your
>relationships?

Yeah. My libido was gone for a while, it's slowly returning. I have also missed a lot of work. Probably around 2 weeks in total. My boss is a good guy, he suffers from Crohn's disease so he understands. These days I'm missing about a day per week as I spend all day with doctors and then go home and sleep in total resignation.

>
>I mostly have loose stools and constipation. Sometimes I'm
>like wtf -- why the hell are kale and beets of all things
>giving me diarrhea?? lol
>

Are you eating a lot of kale? If you are you should cut down. Kale will definitely create digestion problems. I've experienced it myself when I used to juice it. It would give me diarrhea. Unless you steam it, you are ingesting a lot of toxins the plant produces to defend itself against being eaten.

http://www.sheknows.com/health-and-wellness/articles/1033149/when-kale-becomes-toxic

>And from my perspective, the most clueless experts are not
>doctors, but nutritionists. I think that pretty much
>everything we ever thought we knew about nutrition is wrong.

I think you're dead on the money. There are many foods which were considered unhealthy which are considered healthy now, like eggs.

>Or at the least, far from universal. That includes the
>supposed miracle of paleo and high-fat, low-carb diets. My
>bowel has never been more out of control than when I decided
>to cut out carbs
>

A high fat paleo diet sounds insane to me. You should be careful, much of it can turn out to be hype. Imagine how much acid your body will produce to sanitize all the fatty meat in your stomach. If you are not chewing it thoroughly, it will cause issues. Eating too much meat is not healthy unless you are buying free run, organic, grass fed meat.

A good diet is a well rounded diet with everything, including carbs. Also, your stomach has been conditioned to eat carbs. If you suddenly cut it out, the stomach will need some time to adapt. The proper way to do it is to slowly ween yourself off. Doing anything cold turkey with the stomach will cause problems. Even if you were eating copious amounts of fast food and suddenly stop, it will cause issues.

My general rule is no carbs after 2pm.

I don't think you have IBS. I think your body is experiencing somewhat of a shock and attempting to adjust. Read up on Kale and learn everything you can on it, it's not as super as people hype it out to be. If you are concerned, stop whatever you are doing and return to a normal diet for a week and see what happens. Also, limit your acidic foot intake to give your belly a rest. Also, increase your fiber intake and drink a lot of water, that should take care of the constipation.

If the symptoms do not go away, then it might be time to:

1. Stop drinking
2. Stop smoking
3. Stop eating spice
4. Stop drinking caffeine

Those are all bowel and stomach irritants.

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63. "Sounds like you have candida and/or an enzyme / bacteria imbalance. "
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If you have a fungal infection like candida everything will turn into gas and the bacteria in your gut will be out of balance by default. Stop the weed. It's crazy to be smoking or ingesting weed and worry about the toxins in kale or how acidic meat is esp if you're on any kind of rx or drug where you could have interactions. Seeing a doctor who specializes in holistic medicine would be my next move. Good luck.

  

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64. "Thanks."
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I stopped the weed. I don't smoke it and haven't in a long time. I usually vaporize a little bit in the evenings. Going to see how it goes in the next few weeks. Thanks for the advise. I am trying to eat a lot of non dairy probiotics to help rebuild my stomach flora. I think it may have been shredded during my food poisoning.

Also, I was offering advise to Goldmind specifically. I don't consume much meat anymore, and when I do it's chicken. I am seeing a family member this Saturday who knows a great natural doc and I'm going to get in touch. Thanks again.

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68. "this is random but that is an almost exact account of symptoms"
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my friend had. he was ultimately diagnosed w problems with his gallbladder, which was removed (most common or surgery there is), and has been fine since

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72. "Had all my organs checked and they are healthy"
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66. "GI issues are just horrible."
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They mostly go undiagnosed and are overlooked so much.

I practically lived in a doctor's office for about 5yrs. Doctors bouncing me around and around.

but you could also be suffering from SIBO.

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71. "How did you work it out??"
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69. "This reminds me of that time Cam'ron sh*tted himself onstage. "
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I didn't even know what IBS was until that time.

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73. "Sounds like he has Crohn's disease."
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~Experience is the currency of the soul.

  

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74. "Here is a thought, should GI problems be left alone?"
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Okay, so, generally speaking, as soon as GI issues flare up, people go see a doctor and start a regiment of medicine, usually ant acids, antibiotics, etc.

What if that is what ultimately creates a larger issue? Perhaps its best to take a step back, eat a modest diet, and let the body work itself out?

The more I read up on ant acids and other medicine the more I suspect it disrupts the bodies natural way of dealing with things.

My issue is worse now than it was when it flared up initially, so perhaps I should just stop trying to treat it, calm down, and wait. Nothing is wrong with my organs or my blood, so by all intent and purpose, I am healthy.

I'm going to try this and report back. No more medicine. Healthy alkaline diet, and lots of water.

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