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revolution75
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"Is R&B ready for an OPENLY gay black male singer.."


  

          

Sure there's gay male r&b singers like the underrated Rahsaan Patterson
But how many have achieved Sam Smith type success/acceptance?

****key word in this convo is OPENLY*****

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been ready
Feb 09th 2015
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he's only one hit away from breaking through.
Feb 09th 2015
2
So... Frank doesn't count or...?
Feb 09th 2015
3
He comes to mind...
Feb 09th 2015
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      is ebony, jet and essence still around?
Feb 09th 2015
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      Of course he can. Frank is beloved by music fans.
Feb 09th 2015
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yeah.
Feb 09th 2015
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the first one w/ the balls to really step out there will get rich
Feb 09th 2015
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Hellz yeah they would be paid
Feb 09th 2015
9
wait, Frank Ocean ISN'T gay? Sam Smith ISN'T gay?
Feb 09th 2015
7
Sam Smith <------- not Black nm
Feb 09th 2015
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      and that's the only reason it's getting shine
Feb 09th 2015
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      RIF.
Feb 09th 2015
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why wouldn't they be?
Feb 09th 2015
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some ppl want us to believe blacks are more homophobic than
Feb 09th 2015
11
      Do you got the facts to back this?
Feb 09th 2015
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      all i've got is anecdotes.
Feb 09th 2015
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      Nah. There's more than just anecdotes out there. There's research
Feb 09th 2015
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           . . .
Feb 09th 2015
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                Not sure what you're pointing out. That's what I just said...
Feb 09th 2015
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                     right on.
Feb 09th 2015
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                          True. But that all hinges on what we consider homophobia...
Feb 09th 2015
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                               In my experience blacks are no more or less homophobic than others.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                    That's nice
Feb 09th 2015
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                                    anecdotally, white ppl seem more likely to murder a gay.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                         hello.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                    we do tend to be more conservative xtian
Feb 09th 2015
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                                         i don't think we do.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                         maybe the conservative qualifier is an issue for you?
Feb 09th 2015
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                                              more Blacks answered a Gallup poll saying they're
Feb 09th 2015
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                                              this doesn't do a good job of it but
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                   i don't care.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                   oh, glad that's cleared up
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                   great.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                   That is such a strange position to take on an issue...
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                        i don't care what that Pew Forum thing is talking about.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                   all ppl are terrible, for the most part.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                        i agree
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                        exactly.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                                        Cultures are different. It's okay to acknowledge that...
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                                                             ^^^^^^
Feb 10th 2015
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                                                                  ?
Feb 10th 2015
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                                              my anecdotal experience is that whites and blacks trip equally.
Feb 09th 2015
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                                         it does seem like we're more conservative xtian, but I live in the South
Mar 16th 2015
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      This is where I would defer to the black gay person.
Feb 09th 2015
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           i wouldn't.
Feb 09th 2015
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           I have seen just as many black gays be wrong about by this as white gays...
Feb 09th 2015
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                that's it - too many ppl who spit this line are coming from
Feb 09th 2015
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      true but...
Feb 09th 2015
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      Little Richard. Luther Vandross.
Feb 09th 2015
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           Knew Luther would come up
Feb 09th 2015
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                Luther died, so we don't know what would've happened after
Feb 09th 2015
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      I'm so happy that you said this.
Feb 09th 2015
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Did everyone just completely forget about Sylvester?
Feb 09th 2015
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he wasn't openly gay, to my knowledge.
Feb 09th 2015
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He was a drag queen, player.
Feb 09th 2015
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      I didn't know that.
Feb 09th 2015
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      Yup.
Feb 09th 2015
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      but...
Feb 09th 2015
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           he dressed like this:
Feb 09th 2015
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                liberace dressed flamboyantly as well
Feb 09th 2015
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                     he was gay and out.
Feb 09th 2015
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                          yeah Sylvester was all the way out
Feb 09th 2015
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                               right.
Feb 09th 2015
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m'sayin.
Mar 16th 2015
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RE: Is R&B ready for an OPENLY gay black male singer..
Feb 09th 2015
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Frank Ocean was all on Magazine covers and getting new york times
Feb 09th 2015
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Everybody saying Frank Ocean... is he even openly gay?
Feb 09th 2015
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he kinda backed off coming out.
Feb 09th 2015
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Forest Gump?
Feb 09th 2015
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i'm gonna assume "R&B" stands for "black people" or something
Feb 09th 2015
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Like Luther
Feb 09th 2015
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dude was on oprah talkin about his "partner"
Feb 09th 2015
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      when?
Feb 09th 2015
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      it was a show when he was cooking one his recipes i believe
Feb 09th 2015
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           Luther? cooking?
Feb 10th 2015
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      Yeah when was this?????!!!!!!!
Feb 09th 2015
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      Jokers be making up lies with a quickness.
Feb 09th 2015
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      link or it didn't happen
Feb 10th 2015
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      No he dodged the hell out of that question from Oprah
Feb 10th 2015
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where the HAYLE have I been??
Feb 09th 2015
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me neither
Feb 09th 2015
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Don't ask questions you aint ready for, ma:
Feb 09th 2015
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???? he is????
Mar 16th 2015
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      not like it matters if he is cuz he can saaaaiiinng
Mar 16th 2015
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i knew rahsaan patterson was gay since kids incorporated
Feb 10th 2015
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chances are...
Feb 09th 2015
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I don't think Mathis was "out" though
Feb 09th 2015
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      Nope
Feb 09th 2015
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is Little Richard bi or somthing??
Feb 09th 2015
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he plays the fence.
Feb 09th 2015
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what happened to donnie?
Feb 09th 2015
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no hits.
Feb 09th 2015
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I think he had great songs tho. Cloud Nine rocks.
Feb 09th 2015
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They prolly won't make it singing love songs about same gender love.
Feb 09th 2015
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The Weekend gay.
Feb 09th 2015
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my girl won't admit this. but it's true.
Feb 09th 2015
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      LOL
Feb 10th 2015
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           lol
Mar 16th 2015
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old school R&B not so much, today easily
Feb 10th 2015
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they really shoved his ass in disco didnt they
Feb 10th 2015
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wait... Sylvester right...lol
Feb 10th 2015
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a guy named Johnny Mathis and yeah he was R&B/POP
Feb 10th 2015
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I thought Johnny at first.... he wasn't necessarily R&B..but
Feb 10th 2015
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he was R&B and Pop
Feb 10th 2015
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wait Johnny was gay?
Feb 10th 2015
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      yes and yes
Feb 10th 2015
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      ...and he's NOT dead.
Feb 10th 2015
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      hes not dead!?
Feb 10th 2015
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           he is touring. he has shows this week, even.
Feb 10th 2015
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                true
Feb 10th 2015
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      Johnny's info (swipe)
Feb 10th 2015
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           so he wasn't really out in the 80s.
Feb 10th 2015
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                Nope
Feb 10th 2015
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R&B and every other sphere of society will make room for Black gay men.
Feb 10th 2015
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You mean a gay artist being graphic about their love for another man?
Feb 10th 2015
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its already happened
Feb 10th 2015
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hey guys i realized that somewhere along the line i stopped
Feb 10th 2015
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Yeah he's successfully made me think he's not gay, Kanye too
Feb 10th 2015
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#blacklivesmatter
Feb 10th 2015
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Old Skhool - Little Richard. (Never said it, but you always wondered)
Feb 10th 2015
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well, they've got one now...
Mar 16th 2015
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?
Mar 16th 2015
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Jussie Smollett, from "Empire". Or does he not count?
Mar 16th 2015
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      hmmm....good question.. does he sing in real life?
Mar 16th 2015
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           he sings in real life.
Mar 16th 2015
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                oh word..I haven't watched the show yet, i'm gonna catch up on it
Mar 16th 2015
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                It counts to me
Mar 16th 2015
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Watching this week's ep....
Mar 16th 2015
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It's getting there:
Mar 16th 2015
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Can't get "Your so beautiful" out of my head. They need to
Mar 16th 2015
128

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1. "been ready"
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2. "he's only one hit away from breaking through. "
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3. "So... Frank doesn't count or...?"
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Also, I just found out about Sam Smith.
That's dope that he's out and incredibly successful.

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5. "He comes to mind..."
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But I don't think he's as accepted as Sam is
Sam on cover of mags.Tv shows...sweeping grammys



Can Frank steal the BET awards..thank his ex boyfriend?
Get on the cover of Ebony, Jet and Essence?
Entertainer of the year at the NAACP awards?

Can a hit song change all of that?

In my mind I think so but then again I know black folks...lol


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20. "is ebony, jet and essence still around?"
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I thought those companies went out years ago

we keep it moving,

  

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33. "Of course he can. Frank is beloved by music fans."
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Homie chose to be reclusive. He doesn't want to be in the spotlight, and thats fine. Nobody ran that nigga off.

"They used to call me Baby Luke....but now? The whole damn 2 Liiiive Crew."

  

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4. "yeah."
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fuck you.

  

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6. "the first one w/ the balls to really step out there will get rich"
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come strong w/ that OONTZ edm type shit, ie the usher/neyo lane & then follow it up w/ some good sappy mid tempo ballad

#chching


does it really matter?

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9. "Hellz yeah they would be paid"
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7. "wait, Frank Ocean ISN'T gay? Sam Smith ISN'T gay?"
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8. "Sam Smith <------- not Black nm"
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does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
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12. "and that's the only reason it's getting shine"
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aside from patterson and ocean, isn't rachelle farrell gay? and i think this can extend into other realms of society too. an openly gay white professional football player or basketball player is going to get much more attention thrown their way then amechie or collins or sam ever had.

  

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(for me)

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10. "why wouldn't they be?"
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11. "some ppl want us to believe blacks are more homophobic than"
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i dunno who.

it's bullshit. blacks aren't any more or less homophobic than other populations.

fuck you.

  

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13. "Do you got the facts to back this?"
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>it's bullshit. blacks aren't any more or less homophobic than
>other populations.

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15. "all i've got is anecdotes."
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all either side has is anecdotes.

fuck you.

  

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18. "Nah. There's more than just anecdotes out there. There's research"
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According to this one, blacks are more disapproving of homosexuality.
But they are less discriminatory.

I'm sure there's more out there (probably contradicting these findings). But this is the first one that came up in my googling

http://m.poq.oxfordjournals.org/content/67/1/59.short

Black homophobia has been cited as a contributing factor in slowing mobilization against AIDS in the African-American community, as an obstacle to black lesbians and gay men in coming to terms with their sexuality, and as a challenge to the legitimacy of the gay rights movement. Yet evidence that blacks are more homophobic than whites is quite limited. This article uses responses from almost seven thousand blacks and forty-three thousand whites in 31 surveys conducted since 1973 to give more definitive answers on black-white attitudinal differences and their demographic roots. Despite their greater disapproval of homosexuality, blacks' opinions on sodomy laws, gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite similar to whites' opinions, and African Americans are more likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination. Once religious and educational differences are controlled, blacks remain more disapproving of homosexuality but are moderately more supportive of gay civil liberties and markedly more opposed to antigay employment discrimination than are whites. Yet religion, education, gender, and age all have weaker impacts on black than on white attitudes, suggesting that black and white attitudes have different roots.

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21. ". . ."
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>>Yet evidence that
>blacks are more homophobic than whites is quite limited.<<

>>Despite their greater
>disapproval of homosexuality, blacks' opinions on sodomy laws,
>gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite
>similar to whites' opinions<<

>>and African Americans are more
>likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination<<

fuck you.

  

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22. "Not sure what you're pointing out. That's what I just said..."
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>>>Yet evidence that
>>blacks are more homophobic than whites is quite limited.<<
>

This means that prior to this study, this thinking was just anecdotal (I.e. no evidence behind it)


>>>Despite their greater
>>disapproval of homosexuality, blacks' opinions on sodomy
>laws,
>>gay civil liberties, and employment discrimination are quite
>>similar to whites' opinions<<
>
>>>and African Americans are more
>>likely to support laws prohibiting antigay discrimination<<
>

I guess we have to define what it means to be homophobic.
I thought the disapproval of homosexuality was representative of that.

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25. "right on."
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...and i was pointing out that the abstract you linked supports my position that blacks aren't any more or less homophobic than other populations.

fuck you.

  

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26. "True. But that all hinges on what we consider homophobia..."
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Is a person who dislikes gays, but at the same time is okay with them having equal rights homophobic?

A white guy who hates blacks but is opposed to discrimination is still a racist in my book.

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29. "In my experience blacks are no more or less homophobic than others."
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However it's defined.

I've mostly heard the line about blacks being more homophobic from ppl who don't know blacks - and there's often a racist undertone. Usually it's explained by pointing out that blacks are allegedly more Xtian. But, again, the ppl saying this don't know blacks. They're guessing from the outside using old stereotypes. And then some of us buy into the idea bc to us 'gay' is branded as white. As if white ppl accept homosexuality more than others. And that's not true either. One of the reason gay whites formed their own neighborhoods is bc they were ostracized from their other communities. That doesn't happen as often with blacks or other non-whites so we don't have as many seperate communities. And if our churches are the reason blacks are so phobic then why do so many churches have gays in prominent positions like choir director of soloist? At least that's the stereotype. And I don't know the same to be true of white folks and their churches.

I don't buy into the idea that we're more homophobic. It's hurtful to blacks and lets white ppl off the hook for their homophobia.

fuck you.

  

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31. "That's nice"
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34. "anecdotally, white ppl seem more likely to murder a gay. "
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black ppl are less likely to grab my cock as a joke at a frat party.


in practice, blacks and whites are equally uncomfortable with gays
when it's anything other than an abstraction.

Blacks will look the other way at the choir director unless
the choir director shows up to church and holds hands with his boyfriend.

Which is exactly how it goes in white churches.

Blacks and whites are equally likely to cosign some homophobic bullshit
that's said in public.


So I really can't say whites are less homophobic.
Who was marching and clutching pearls when don't as don't tell was done away with?


I might admit that sometimes white ppl's homophobia looks different.
But most of the time it's exactly the same.


I agree with sowhat.

  

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39. "hello."
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fuck you.

  

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37. "we do tend to be more conservative xtian"
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and that tends to be one of those things that seems to...correlate with homophobic views

i understand why a metro area black person would think we are more homophobic...

i'm inclined to say the difference isn't big enough to matter

"conservative" tends to go hand in hand with resisting changing social mores and also gets the "adam and steve" types yappy

they exist on both sides but according to gallup we are actually more religious and it's difficult to tell just how much that correlates with social conservatism to homophobia but that seems to be an intricate relationship of identity

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38. "i don't think we do."
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i disagree that we're more conservative Xtian.

fuck you.

  

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42. "maybe the conservative qualifier is an issue for you?"
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my anecdotal experience is mixed on this but

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-blacks-most-religious-group-us

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45. "more Blacks answered a Gallup poll saying they're "
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'very religious' or 'moderately religious' more whites say they're 'non-religious'.

the survey allowed ppl to define the terms themselves. so i dunno what it means for those folks to be very/moderately/non religious (which faith(s)? attend religious service(s)? et al). and i dunno what role religion plays in their lives, if any. so based on that i can't agree that Blacks are more religious in actuality and definitely not conservative Xtian.

and even if blacks are more religious (whatever that means) it doesn't necessarily follow that we're more homophobic. to know that we'd need to know what religions are at issue, what those religions say about homosexuality, how much importance blacks place on what their religion says about homosexuality, whether blacks tend to agree w/what their religion says about homosexuality, and how likely blacks are to act based on what their religion says about homosexuality. among other things.

again - the main reason i push back against the idea that blacks are more homophobic is that i tend to hear that line from ppl who also believe white are morally superior. also b/c the idea contradicts my personal experience.

fuck you.

  

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52. "this doesn't do a good job of it but"
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http://religions.pewforum.org/portraits

u can view the different affiliations (they aren't broken down by race)

but comparing historically black churches to say catholic views on homosexuality skews it in favor of the Catholics...

their are other groups in there as well that depending on how you interpret the demos support that we are a lil bit more intolerant...

it's not a contest but I do think there are good numbers that can somewhat subjectively say one or the other


edit: eh, the numbers appear to be unreliable to nail down any real facts

i think my views on how we view hyper-masculine roles and the role of the black church in our social lives could be overblown

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53. "i don't care."
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the main reason i push back against the idea that blacks are more homophobic is that i tend to hear that line from ppl who also believe white are morally superior. also b/c the idea contradicts my personal experience.

fuck you.

  

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55. "oh, glad that's cleared up"
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i hope those self-hating negroes realize how much this fight means to u

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58. "great."
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fuck you.

  

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60. "That is such a strange position to take on an issue..."
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Basically saying that you are going to reject that something exists just because others use that information improperly.

I'm not saying blacks are truly more homophobic. I'm not really convinced either way yet.
But you stance seems like you dont care what the truth is.
The truth is irrelevant to your position

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61. "i don't care what that Pew Forum thing is talking about."
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that's what i referred to with 'i don't care'. we were going down an irrelevant rabbit hole trying to figure out if blacks are more religious than __. that part is irrelevant to the larger discussion in this subthread (that's getting out of hand) - are blacks more homophobic.

i don't believe blacks are any more or less homophobic than any other population. i have no good reason to so believe.

i reject the notion b/c it's been presented w/o proof by ppl who have bias against blacks and/or gays. plus it contradicts my personal experience. when i've heard this line from ppl they haven't even presented the couple of links y'all came with in this subthread - and y'all's links weren't great support for the notion that blacks are more homophobic. so that's why i push back.

fuck you.

  

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56. "all ppl are terrible, for the most part."
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I've not seen a group of ppl that are generally less awful.
Ppl that try to get me to believe that one group sucks less than others are usually on some bullshit.

  

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57. "i agree"
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but i do feel like knowing the subtleties in that terribleness is valuable to a certain extent

like the different brands of anti-intellectualism...that one always fascinates me

but i get it...fight the good fight

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59. "exactly."
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fuck you.

  

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70. "Cultures are different. It's okay to acknowledge that..."
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I don't think it's a incorrect to say that Africans (or Arabs) tend to be more homophobic than black Americans, is it?

By saying that, I'm not saying one group sucks and the other is better.
I'm just recognizing that the groups have differing mores.

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109. "^^^^^^"
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Kinda bizarre that you're the only one looking sensibly at this.

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111. "?"
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i get the feeling that PTGC _wants_ blacks to be more homophobic.

do you think so too? and/or do you agree? do you want it to be true that blacks are more homophobic than whites?

i've laid out repeatedly why i disagree w/the contention - b/c i haven't seen good proof and b/c it contradicts w/my personal experience.

also b/c i don't WANT it to be true. b/c i place a value judgment on homophobia and homophobes. i find both distasteful. and i have no problem w/judging ppl and/or cultures for their homophobia. and i'll continue doing so.

fuck you.

  

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48. "my anecdotal experience is that whites and blacks trip equally. "
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I say that in watching how ppl react when they find out I am gay
and how they react to other gays before they know i'm gay.

I grew up in a black, rural area below the mason dixon line.
I was in the army with mostly white officers and mostly black enlisted.
I work with both black and white churches equally doing community outreach now.

Blacks and whites trip or don't trip in equal measure.


As I said, white dudes seem more likely to grab my dick at a frat party...
and I get the impression a closeted gay white dude would be more likely to try to beat me to death with a pipe wrench for hitting on him...

but in all of my every day experience,
blacks and whites are equally likely to trip about the gay.


>my anecdotal experience is mixed on this but
>
>http://cnsnews.com/news/article/gallup-blacks-most-religious-group-us

  

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125. "it does seem like we're more conservative xtian, but I live in the South"
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Maybe, it's just an image that some portray, but I have never known of as many whites wearing their religion on their sleeves as Blacks. Of my peers from work, I would say that at least 80% went to church regularly, compared to maybe 30%; I'm being very generous. I'm not religious at all, but I know a lot of Black people that I have met outside of the church that are pastors, ministers, etc.

Even on social media, I only see sistas posting about church and scriptures. I mainly hear Black entertainers and athletes talk about god, casually. The white ones that do, Tebow, Kirk Cameron, etc, seem more extreme. Again, maybe it's just something that is ingrained in us to put on display and secretly, we're just as apathetic lol

I remember Bush trying to align himself with Black churches during his election campaign because they opposed gay marriage, as well. There are many sources for it, but this one explicitly states it:

http://www.alternet.org/story/21096/black_evangelicals%3A_bush\'s_new_trump_card

"A Joint Center for Political and Economic Studies poll in 2004 found that blacks by a far larger margin than the overall population opposed gay marriage."

  

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40. "This is where I would defer to the black gay person. "
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Similarly like I think on CERTAIN topics related to having kids people without kids should defer to people with kids, this is a topic where I would defer to the black gay person.


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47. "i wouldn't."
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fuck you.

  

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49. "I have seen just as many black gays be wrong about by this as white gays..."
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Just like blacks and whites are equally likely to be wrong
when they talk about "black on black" crime.

And really, this is the same argument.

That whites are simply morally superior to blacks.

Blacks, whites, straights, and gays are just as likely
to be on some bullshit with this one.


I used to be on that bullshit too, until I thought about it.


>Similarly like I think on CERTAIN topics related to having
>kids people without kids should defer to people with kids,
>this is a topic where I would defer to the black gay person.
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>**********
>"Everyone has a plan until you punch them in the face. Then
>they don't have a plan anymore." (c) Mike Tyson
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>"One of the most important things in life is what Judge
>Learned Hand described as 'that ever-gnawing inner doubt as to
>whether you're r

  

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50. "that's it - too many ppl who spit this line are coming from"
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the perspective that whites are morally superior. when i saw that i started to actually think about the issue and not just blindly accept it as truth. and when i thought about it i couldn't agree that we're more homophobic. especially not when i see the bias in most of the ppl who advocate for this point.

fuck you.

  

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16. "true but..."
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Why hasn't there been a soul singer that's on that level of acceptance like an Elton John for example?

There's been singers but none have broke through into the black mainstream.

Is it all because the right song/artist hasn't came along to break through?

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19. "Little Richard. Luther Vandross."
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>Why hasn't there been a soul singer that's on that level of
>acceptance like an Elton John for example?

Elton didn't come out until after his artistic/commercial peak ('Candle In the Wind 1997' notwithstanding).

George Michael didn't come out until after his artistic/commercial peak.

David Bowie played around w/gay and bisexual labels during his artistic/commercial peak. he's a better example for your point.

and there's only been ONE David Bowie.

>There's been singers but none have broke through into the
>black mainstream.

Little Richard was fairly flamboyant and out at his artistic/commercial peak. but then he found Jesus and denounced homosexuality.

Luther Vandross was never out but his homosexuality was an open secret among his fans.

>Is it all because the right song/artist hasn't came along to
>break through?

pretty much.

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23. "Knew Luther would come up "
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That's why I said openly

There's plenty of yeah WE know what time it is examples lol

Elton came out

George as well

Yet they still can pack an audience and sell records

It's not really an issue

When they came out...it was like "yeah...and??" thing...at least it was to me. It didn't stop me from listening to their music.

Can we say the same if an R Kelly type came out and said he was gay?

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24. "Luther died, so we don't know what would've happened after"
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he came out, if he'd so chosen.

i have no reason to believe he couldn't have continued w/his success after he'd come out.

>Can we say the same if an R Kelly type came out and said he
>was gay?

R. Kelly type? probably not b/c his music and imagery are so sexual in nature.

if a Ne-Yo type came out? he'd be a'ight, i think.

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27. "Did everyone just completely forget about Sylvester?"
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28. "he wasn't openly gay, to my knowledge. "
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32. "He was a drag queen, player."
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Yes, he was out.

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35. "I didn't know that. "
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36. "Yup."
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http://youtu.be/5H69xXQRSgM

http://youtu.be/bDWSemTCV40

I mean, Prince referenced him as an influence in his early days and we probably wouldn't have seen groups like Culture Club or Dead or Alive without him.

  

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67. "but..."
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he was drag during the time when 70s rock hit the glam era
P-funk donned costumes
and disco was popping
i think he rejected the drag queen title as well

its one of those liberace type things i think
as in people bought it?
and yeah alot did
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69. "he dressed like this:"
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http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g144/hrstumpde/Soundtrack/Sylvester%20James/sylvester_mv_thumb.jpg

he was gay. out. and wore drag.

whether he identified as a 'drag queen' or not, he fit the description.

but the main point here is he was definitely gay and out.

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71. "liberace dressed flamboyantly as well"
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>http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g144/hrstumpde/Soundtrack/Sylvester%20James/sylvester_mv_thumb.jpg
>
>he was gay. out. and wore drag.
>
>whether he identified as a 'drag queen' or not, he fit the
>description.
>
>but the main point here is he was definitely gay and out.

and prince and elton and boy george and rick james
things feel out differently for all
they all went under the eccentric entertainer umbrella


for the purposes of this discussion
he doesn't count as an openly gay r&b singer
he denied being a drag queen

he may have been open in SF but nationwide doesn't look like it
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72. "he was gay and out."
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he wasn't closeted like Liberace. he wasn't heterosexual like Prince.

whether all of his audience knew it or not is of no moment. he didn't hide it. that means he was out.

i'm out and there are ppl who know me who don't know i'm gay. it doesn't mean i'm not out b/c i'm not hiding the fact that i'm gay. they either don't see it or it hasn't come up in our interactions.



fuck you.

  

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74. "yeah Sylvester was all the way out "
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There was no shame in his game

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75. "right."
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i dunno why he rejected the 'drag queen' label - maybe b/c he didn't want to be pigeon-holed as a performer. if so i get it.

but he was definitely out. he lived openly as a gay man and had romantic relationships w/men. openly. he wasn't closeted.

so yeah, he belongs on the list of openly gay R&B singers. or maybe openly gay Disco singers if we wanna be too technical.

fuck you.

  

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130. "m'sayin."
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30. "RE: Is R&B ready for an OPENLY gay black male singer.."
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well..

You can't be an "R&B" in 2015 and attain the success that Sam has..

Now if you mean black gay man pop artist... Well frank is literally 1 hit away. He has all the credibility just doesn't have a Latch or Stay with Me

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41. "Frank Ocean was all on Magazine covers and getting new york times "
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write up and shot out from black people on twitter just a while ago.


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43. "Everybody saying Frank Ocean... is he even openly gay?"
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I think the only reference he's made to his sexuality is that his first love was another man.

Or are we on that "all it takes is one time" stuff?

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46. "he kinda backed off coming out."
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so i dunno.

fuck you.

  

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54. "Forest Gump?"
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Was a very bold move, imo.

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44. "i'm gonna assume "R&B" stands for "black people" or something"
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cuz i don't see how a music genre can be ready or not for anything

regardless, i don't care. people just need to get the fuck over the fact that some other people are gay.

this post is annoying. i'm leaving.

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51. "Like Luther"
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cmon yall need to quit playing with this bullshit.

Everyone knew Luther was gay. What did he have to say it?

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63. "dude was on oprah talkin about his "partner" "
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64. "when?"
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fuck you.

  

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82. "it was a show when he was cooking one his recipes i believe"
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*******************************************************
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- Cory Booker

Football is a simple game; 22 men chase a ball for 90 minutes, and at the end the Germans always win
- Gary Lineker

  

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91. "Luther? cooking? "
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fuck you.

  

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65. "Yeah when was this?????!!!!!!!"
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Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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66. "Jokers be making up lies with a quickness. "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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115. "link or it didn't happen"
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116. "No he dodged the hell out of that question from Oprah"
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He would never admit to it. I remember that. He never came out.

  

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62. "where the HAYLE have I been??"
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I didn't know Rahsaan Patterson was gay!
Am I mistaken or is Darien Brockington gay as well?

here for dis.

  

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68. "me neither"
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87. "Don't ask questions you aint ready for, ma:"
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>Am I mistaken or is Darien Brockington gay as well?

  

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127. "???? he is???? "
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I got a good life man

  

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129. "not like it matters if he is cuz he can saaaaiiinng"
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here for dis.

  

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110. "i knew rahsaan patterson was gay since kids incorporated"
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didn't know he was out though.
his first album was sooooooo good!

www.royallegacy.org

For Real (Official Video):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBRoCPO8esE

  

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73. "chances are..."
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80. "I don't think Mathis was "out" though"
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81. "Nope "
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No one on a mainstream level has done it

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76. "is Little Richard bi or somthing??"
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wtf i miss?

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77. "he plays the fence."
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he's been defiantly flamboyant and gay in the past. well, as much as he could be in the 1950s w/o being lynched. then he found Jesus and denounced it all. then he came back to the secular world and toyed w/bisexual identity. then he found Jesus again and denounced again. then he started being coy about his sexual orientation generally.

what we know is he's not str8. b/c str8 ppl have no reason to play games w/sexual orientation. they just come out w/it and that's that.

fuck you.

  

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78. "what happened to donnie?"
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79. "no hits."
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fuck you.

  

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86. "I think he had great songs tho. Cloud Nine rocks."
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Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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83. "They prolly won't make it singing love songs about same gender love."
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At least that first dude (are we only talking about gay men here and not lesbians?) will have to be basically singing about the condition of the world or aspects of life outside of traditional mainstream R$B hits (which nowadays are almost all about _sex_, not even love).

  

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84. "The Weekend gay."
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85. "my girl won't admit this. but it's true."
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Who you know got a "room fulla niggas" on standby to fuck their girl?


Da bayball, babeh. (c) Charlie Kelly.

  

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106. "LOL"
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>Who you know got a "room fulla niggas" on standby to fuck
>their girl?
>
>
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131. "lol"
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88. "old school R&B not so much, today easily"
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different brand of politics and the game is more open to things because its wide open.

back in the day it was masking and covering the window, today its not gonna alienate the base as it would have back in the day.

sylvester was cool with his thing, however he was tossed toward dance and disco and truth is Sylvester should have had a Al Green kind of career,however different time period with letting your freak flag go.

Sylvester couldn't get away with things like Bowie and Freddie Mercury,however he held his own and had respect as a artist.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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98. "they really shoved his ass in disco didnt they"
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>different brand of politics and the game is more open to
>things because its wide open.
>
>back in the day it was masking and covering the window, today
>its not gonna alienate the base as it would have back in the
>day.
>
>sylvester was cool with his thing, however he was tossed
>toward dance and disco and truth is Sylvester should have had
>a Al Green kind of career,however different time period with
>letting your freak flag go.
>
>Sylvester couldn't get away with things like Bowie and
>Freddie Mercury,however he held his own and had respect as a
>artist.
>
>


and goes even more toward why there was the rock vs disco thing
it was pretty homophobic, sexist and racist

he really should and could have been a freddie mercury

i love queen
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89. "wait... Sylvester right...lol"
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I mean obviously he was the first...

  

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90. "a guy named Johnny Mathis and yeah he was R&B/POP"
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and of the baddest talents ever. i know for a fact that alot of old school Italians loved Johnny more than they did Sinatra.

Mathis had a base with R&B.Pop and the Adult audience. it didn't work against him either.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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92. "I thought Johnny at first.... he wasn't necessarily R&B..but"
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he was certainly a Black Artist.. Black Pop back then was R&B in a sense of it's day..just the pop version of it... Dionne Warrick...Roberta Flack in a way...

but I thought he did come out in jet magazine during the time he was still making records.... could be mistaken though..


  

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94. "he was R&B and Pop"
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and he did come out way back.

mistermaxxx R.Kelly, Michael Jackson,Stevie wonder,Rick James,Marvin Gaye,El Debarge, Barry WHite Lionel RIchie,Isleys EWF,Lady T.,Kid creole and coconuts,the crusaders,kc sunshine band,bee gees,jW,sd,NE,JB

Miami Heat, New York Yankees,buffalo bills

  

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99. "wait Johnny was gay?"
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wait Johnny was black?


wait...


i want to tell my mom but i feel like she already knows
she LOVES johnny mathis
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100. "yes and yes"
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101. "...and he's NOT dead."
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http://www.johnnymathis.com/mathisTour.html

Johnny Mathis 59th Anniversary Concert Schedule
Thursday Feb 12, 2015 San Antonio, TX Majestic Theatre
Saturday Feb 14, 2015 Baton Rouge, LA Baton Rouge River Center - Baton Rouge Symphony
Saturday March 7, 2015 Palm Desert, CA McCallum Theatre for the Performing Arts
Sunday March 8, 2015 Palm Desert, CA McCallum Theatre for the Performing Arts
Saturday April 4, 2015 Los Angeles, CA The Walt Disney Concert Hall
Friday April 10, 2015 Columbia, SC Koger Center for the Arts
Sunday April 12, 2015 Sarasota, FL Van Wezel Performing Arts Hall
Friday April 24, 2015 Rochester, NY Auditorium Theatre
Sunday April 26, 2015 Erie, PA Warner Theatre
Friday May 8, 2015 Hartford, CT The Bushnell - Mortensen Hall
Sunday May 10, 2015 Portland, ME Merrill Auditorium
Thursday May 28, 2015 Milwaukee, WI The Riverside Theater
Saturday May 30, 2015 Appleton, WI Fox Cities Performing Arts Center
Thursday June 11, 2015 Dallas, TX AT&T Performing Arts Center - Winspear Opera House
Saturday June 13, 2015 Austin, TX The Long Center - Dell Hall
Thursday Oct 8, 2015 Tacoma, WA Pantages Theater
Saturday Oct 10, 2015 West Wendover, NV Peppermill Concert Hall
Friday Nov 13, 2015 Branson, MO The Oak Ridge Boys Theatre
Saturday Nov 14, 2015 Branson, MO The Oak Ridge Boys Theatre
Friday Feb 19, 2016 Raleigh, NC North Carolina Symphony - Meymandi Concert Hall
Saturday Feb 20, 2016 Raleigh, NC North Carolina Symphony - Meymandi Concert Hall

fuck you.

  

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102. "hes not dead!?"
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103. "he is touring. he has shows this week, even."
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it's Valentine's Day week so that makes sense.

fuck you.

  

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104. "true"
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>it's Valentine's Day week so that makes sense.

man wait till i tell mom

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108. "Johnny's info (swipe) "
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Amid queries regarding his homosexuality, his agent would only allude to it by saying, "Chances are" and " It's Not For Me To Say", which were recordings the artist had made. In a 1982 Us Magazine article, Mathis was quoted as having said, "Homosexuality is a way of life that I've grown accustomed to." Us Magazine later retracted the statement. After more than twenty years of silence on the subject, Mathis revealed in an interview in 2006 that his silence was due to death threats he received as a result of that 1982 article. On April 13, 2006, Mathis granted a podcast interview with The Strip in which he talked about the subject once again, and how some of his reticence to speak of the subject was partially generational.

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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112. "so he wasn't really out in the 80s."
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and kinda came out yrs later, per that Wiki info.

fuck you.

  

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113. "Nope"
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He pretty much summed it up...ithe issue dance is generational
All those cats sans Sylvester and Jermaine Stewart danced around the subject
Those two were trailblazers..

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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93. "R&B and every other sphere of society will make room for Black gay men."
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First of all, Black gays are indomitable. Hand us lemons and we will somehow make some tea. Then we'll have straight black men drink it as they watch "Empire" and scream, "Yassss!"

So I can't imagine any space in the near future being off limits to openly Black gay men, who by our very nature bust down your walls (pause).

Also, to assume that there isn't a space for us in R&B is to ignore the queerness of stars like Frank Ocean and Sylvester, and the hiding in plain sight performed by queer Black artists like Luther and Freddie Jackson.

Even worse, it's to assume that Black people are more homophobic than white folks. Like SoWhat, I definitely used to believe that the Black community is stubbornly and disproportionately anti-gay. And maybe it was true at one point. But probably not. Either way, there is no part of me that believes that Black people are particularly homophobic in 2015. From the White House to the NFL and NBA, Blacks are actually at the forefront of creating spaces for the LGBT community. I have no reason to doubt that the same won't be the case in R&B.

  

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95. "You mean a gay artist being graphic about their love for another man?"
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Like talking about a dudes body and stuff?

  

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105. "its already happened"
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and RnB sucked every since the Kells effect
so why not
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96. "hey guys i realized that somewhere along the line i stopped"
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making john legend jokes
so kudos to him?
i dunno.

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when I come around, they frown
then wanna dap me down
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blkprinceMD05
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97. "Yeah he's successfully made me think he's not gay, Kanye too"
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Kudos

prototype

stand ur ground, believe in urself,
believe in love, prepare urself for love, remove the negativity from ur life, and accept the love u kno u deserve

  

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lfresh
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107. "#blacklivesmatter"
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him and jesse williams


man
i love those dudes
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When you are born, you cry, and the world rejoices. Live so that when you die, you rejoice, and the world cries.
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You cannot hate people for their own good.

  

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Case_One
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114. "Old Skhool - Little Richard. (Never said it, but you always wondered) "
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"Today is your day to have a better life -- it's your right."

  

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b.Touch
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117. "well, they've got one now..."
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FLUIDJ
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118. "?"
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b.Touch
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119. "Jussie Smollett, from "Empire". Or does he not count?"
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FLUIDJ
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120. "hmmm....good question.. does he sing in real life?"
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b.Touch
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122. "he sings in real life."
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Do his chart hits from "Empire" not count is my question.

  

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FLUIDJ
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123. "oh word..I haven't watched the show yet, i'm gonna catch up on it"
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during rerun season...
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124. "It counts to me "
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im glad to see he addressed it head on
And that folks are accepting him
This show is dealing with issues disguised in soap opera camp
And I applaud them for it

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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121. "Watching this week's ep...."
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And his Ellen Interview

I would say yes

I think he sings in real life...it looked like it when he was singing to his daugh...sister

You're so Beautiful should be a hit!!

Eclectic Soul/Sunday, 2-4 PM est/89.3 WCSB.ORG

  

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b.Touch
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126. "It's getting there:"
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http://www.billboard.com/artist/6438154/empire-cast/chart

  

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128. "Can't get "Your so beautiful" out of my head. They need to "
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drop that for real on the radio.

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