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iLLoGiCz
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"man, this school shit is a joke..."


  

          

any other college okp's feel the same way??

i just feel like i am wasting my time and money for shit that doesn't apply to me half the time (better yet, 90% of the time).. AND i'm a sociology major, so you'd think it would be better for me.. but, professors just be up there, talkin.. not sayin anything forreal.. just talkin.. tellin us what's wrong with the world, and to analyze these problems (like we don't already know)..

but what does that do??

that inspires us students to grow up to be writers, researchers, and maybe even professors that analyze problems.. then we train others to do the same thing..

this is just an insane cycle that recognizes modern social problems and issues like racism, classism, sexism, etc., but does absolutely NOTHING to resolve said issues/problems.. the only class that has ever really meant anything to me is a pan-african studies course i'm takin this semester.. that's just cause the professor is the illest cat who drops knowledge, but also teaches us that knowledge ain't shit unless it becomes action (it's a course on political violence and resistance - put it this way, we're reading fanon and freire, and learning the tactics of armed struggle as a means of revolution)..

but what do ya'll think??
is college relevant??

peace
liveiLL

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RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 03rd 2004
1
In fewer words......
Apr 03rd 2004
5
too broke to pay attention...
Apr 05th 2004
22
*shakes head*
Apr 05th 2004
24
how can you really say
Apr 20th 2004
54
cosign.
Apr 16th 2004
32
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode
Apr 20th 2004
39
co sign
Apr 20th 2004
51
I feel you...
Apr 03rd 2004
2
school is a joke...
Apr 03rd 2004
3
Praxis is the key!
Apr 03rd 2004
9
      this is the best response yet...
Apr 20th 2004
58
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 03rd 2004
4
ur a dickhead for picking that major
Apr 03rd 2004
6
RE: ur a dickhead for picking that major
Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode
Apr 20th 2004
40
      yea a lotta folk say that
Apr 20th 2004
49
Labour is a commodity...
Apr 03rd 2004
7
well it looks like
Apr 03rd 2004
10
Senator MacCarthy? Is that you?
Apr 03rd 2004
11
RE: Senator MacCarthy? Is that you?
Apr 04th 2004
15
      I tip my hat to you comrade...
Apr 04th 2004
16
      its got nothing to do with the
Apr 16th 2004
31
           RE: its got nothing to do with the
mcneter
Apr 16th 2004
33
           RE: its got nothing to do with the
Apr 19th 2004
35
           RE: its got nothing to do with the
Apr 19th 2004
36
RE: well it looks like
Apr 04th 2004
18
HA!
Apr 20th 2004
37
      RE: HA!
Apr 20th 2004
43
           RE: HA!
Apr 21st 2004
64
Take out that fucking Kanye West
Apr 03rd 2004
8
It is relevant
Apr 03rd 2004
12
REAL education vs. THEY education...
Apr 05th 2004
23
      I once wrote this poem in class
Apr 06th 2004
26
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 03rd 2004
13
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 03rd 2004
14
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 04th 2004
17
I'm a doctoral candidate too..
Apr 21st 2004
63
school is a joke.
Apr 04th 2004
19
right...
Apr 05th 2004
21
      yeah
Apr 06th 2004
29
You said it yourself
Apr 04th 2004
20
i'm still waiting on the punchline
Apr 06th 2004
25
It's Simple Supply and Demad
Apr 06th 2004
27
RE: It's Simple Supply and Demad
Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode
Apr 20th 2004
41
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 06th 2004
28
More specifically...
Apr 15th 2004
30
as I have said before
Apr 16th 2004
34
silly negroes..
Apr 20th 2004
38
you totally missed the point, PLAYA...
Apr 20th 2004
44
      here's the thing tho
Apr 20th 2004
50
           exactly but these niggas are stupid.
Apr 20th 2004
52
           problem with sociologists...
Apr 20th 2004
56
                vision
Apr 21st 2004
60
                     socialism?
Apr 26th 2004
66
RE: man, this school shit is a joke...
Apr 20th 2004
42
read "pedagogy of the oppressed"...
Apr 20th 2004
45
RE: read "pedagogy of the oppressed"...
Apr 20th 2004
46
      hence, the title of this post...
Apr 20th 2004
55
           RE: hence, the title of this post...
Apr 21st 2004
61
what i'm working on
Apr 20th 2004
47
ummm
Apr 20th 2004
48
go get involved in a community organization
Apr 20th 2004
53
i AM active brother...
Apr 20th 2004
57
      i hope you find your niche then.
Apr 26th 2004
65
2 cents
Apr 20th 2004
59
co sign
Apr 21st 2004
62

k_orr
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1. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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"What Can I Do with a BA in Sociology?"
Sociology provides several answers to this important question:
The undergraduate degree provides a strong college foundation for entry-level positions throughout the human services, government, and business sectors.
Employers look for people with the skills that an undergraduate education in sociology provides, especially knowledge of social groups, norms and culture, organizations, and analytical and statistical skills.
Many students choose sociology because they see it as a strong base for professions such as law, education, medicine, social work, counseling, and social services administration. Sociology provides a rich fund of knowledge that directly concerns each of these fields.
A BA in sociology is excellent preparation for future graduate work in sociology in order to become a program planner, evaluation researcher, professor, applied sociologist, human services administrator, sociomedical researcher, or policy analyst.


"What Can I Do with an MA or PhD degree in Sociology?
With advanced degrees, the more likely it is that a job will have the title sociologist, but the diversity of sociological careers ranges much further than what you might find under 'S' in the Sunday newspaper employment ads.
People with advanced sociology degrees (such as Hunter's M.S. in Social Research) enter the business, not-for-profit, and government worlds as directors of research, policy analysts, consultants, human resource managers, and program managers.
Practicing sociologists with advanced degrees may be called research analysts, survey researchers, gerontologists, statisticians, urban planners, community developers, criminologists, or demographers
Some MA and PhD sociologists obtain specialized training to become counselors, therapists, or program directors in social service agencies.
Sociologists also become professors, teaching in colleges and universities, advising students, conducting research, and publishing their work.

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MisterGrump
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5. "In fewer words......"
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He needs to pay attention in class so that he can better analyze situations.

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iLLoGiCz
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22. "too broke to pay attention..."
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i don't need to pay attention in those classrooms..
i hear what they say, but they don't REALLY say anything i don't already know..

don't mistake my loathing of academia for ignorance.. i am a very educated individual.. when i got free time, i read.. a LOT.. but it's shit that pertains to me, to the real world, to my people, to the struggle.. not theory upon theory upon theory (although i do read a lot of marx, sarte, descarte, kant, etc.) that has no action...

peace
liveiLL

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24. "*shakes head*"
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sociologik
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54. "how can you really say"
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that you have not learned anything ? I don't get it. Sociology does have that intuitive appeal to some people - some folks claim that it's just 'common sense', like one cat posted on here. And there are some sociological theories that are pretty straight forward.. and then there's shit that's not. Bourdieu. Weber. Durkheim. That shit is not straight forward- there are contributions, they are important, and your role as an informed intellectual is not to sit back like a smart ass and claim "I know this already" - it's to determine - hey -- WHAT is the gap between theory and practice? Why does revolution work in some contexts and not in others? What socio-historical forces have shaped me and my time? What can i do to expand beyond those structural determinants? How do concepts like symbolic violence, double consciousness and 'the looking glass self' relate to a marxist evaluation of racial oppression and cultural resistence? What do we, as a society, need to do to get from where we are to where we want to be? What macro and micro sociological changes must be made to bridge that gap?

That is the role of the revolutionary sociologist.

  

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32. "cosign."
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♥ ♥ ♥ ♥

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don't be fkn evil.

  

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Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode

Tue Apr-20-04 02:40 AM

  
39. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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how is sociology a strong base for a career as a doctor?

  

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sociologik
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51. "co sign"
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preach it

  

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brokenchains79
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2. "I feel you..."
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you being a sociology cat don't sleep on Edward Shils, he wrote two articles. 1. Center and Periphery 2. Colour, the Universal intellectual center and the Afro-Asian Intellectual, it'll change the way you look at sociolgy. If you can't find them i'll show you how to acces them online.

peace

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3. "school is a joke..."
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90% of the learning happens outside the classroom. i have respect for profs that are "scholar-activists" though. cuz too much theorizing is BS, there needs to be some practice somewhere.

peace.

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9. "Praxis is the key!"
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iLLoGiCz
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58. "this is the best response yet..."
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college education doesn't teach praxis..
it merely educates us about the problems..
but we are not encouraged to act on them..
we are encouraged to either a) study them some more, or b) further our careers into a field where we can make a lot of money by studying or researching these issues...

peace
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BarTek
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4. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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School is supposed to teach you how to think. It's not supposed to teach you what to think.

peace.

let's play ping pong ■

  

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6. "ur a dickhead for picking that major"
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simple as that

why would u spend money to learn some shit thats pretty evident to people that read or think

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Femi_Omojigijigiosetuatobalehinibode

Tue Apr-20-04 02:44 AM

  
40. "RE: ur a dickhead for picking that major"
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thank you, southphilly...I cant understand people that PAY tuition for something they can do themselves...if you gonna pay tuition please learn a skill...engineering, accounting, medicine, law, etc...sociology? sounds like an excuse to be on college campus...just my opinion!

  

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49. "yea a lotta folk say that"
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about the humanities and social sciences, and if you're a pragmatist, i have to say, you're right. but if you're a straight up intellectual who has a passion for a certain field - be it sociology, philosophy whatever - and you're serious about it, it's a sound investment. Analytical thinking and knowledge production are skills.. if you're into that shit and are willing and able to pursue it to the PhD level, then it's worth majoring in.

I go to a small liberal arts college - there is none of this "go to college to learn a skill" bullshit. sure, there are some pragmatists, but the ethos is that you come here to learn how to think - to explore your interests. It's the basis of liberal arts education. if you want a skill oriented approach, move to europe or go to trade school.

  

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7. "Labour is a commodity..."
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Sat Apr-03-04 12:44 PM

  

          

In any human society, despite race, ethnicity or cultural background, people must use their labour to create use-values -or simply, produce via labour things that are of use to them. For example, there is no human society yet that does not have to labour in order to produce clothing, food, shelter, etc. Now, a use-value is one thing, but at that point in history -thousands of years ago- as soon as one isolated tribe happened to bump into another isolated tribe, the process of trade or exchange began (bear with me, this is relevant to this post); that is to say, that each tribe (locality is irrelevant, this applies everywhere) specialised in the building of particular use-values. As a result, the process of exchange developed and each tribe, in exchanging with the other began to develop needs for the use-values of other tribes and therefore had to build surpluses of their own use-values, beyond their own consumptive needs for that use-value, in order to obtain that which is produced by their neighbor tribe. Hence, as this expands we achieve the gradual evolution and intesification of human needs, the increasing complexity of human tools and labour, and the development of more complex monetary systems.

With the development of exchange in the earlier days of human interaction we also see the birth of the commodity. A commodity is any object that has both a use-value AND an exchange-value. But how is exchange-value determined? On a very unconscious, yet if given enough thought, necessary level the exchange value of commodities is determined by the amount of socially necessary labour-time required to produce that commodity. In other words, if one produces linen and a certain amount of linen required x hours of labour time to produce, the producer of linen who wishes to obtain, say corn, would trade that linen for enough corn to compensate for the labour time spent on producing the linen. The same is true for the producer of corn. Under capitalism, this system of value does not change, but there are certain tricks up the capitalist's sleeve in the masking of this relationship and the appearance that profits are determined by commodity circulation in the market.

Now, for those of you who have bothered to read up to this point, here is how all of this applies to this topic. Under a system of capitalist production, labour-power is a commodity. Keep in mind that labour-power and labour are two different things. Labour is the act of doing work, while labour-power is the capacity to do that work; labour-power is the capicity to do work and is also made up of a workers whole life of skills, education, training, and physical and mental abilities. When one sells their labour-power, their ability to do work, on the market, one is in fact selling their potential. One does not not sell their labour on the market, they only sell their labour-power -their ability to perform. Having said this, how does capitalism determine the value of labour-power as a commodity on the market?

Remember earlier that as a rule the value of any commodity is determined by the amount of average, socially necessary labour-TIME required for its production. The education system therefore is a process of socially necessary labour that, over time, produces labour-power. Therefore, under the capitalist system of production, your value on the labour market, or the value of your labour-power, is determined by the socially necessary amount of labour time required to produce YOU. The education system under capitalism is not designed in order for you to gain knowledge and become a wiser, more well-rounded person. It is designed to produce commodities, namely labour-power, to be sold to capitalist at a certain value for the production of capital -profits for the pockets of capitalists.

Further, in deciding the value of labour-power as a commodity, it gets more interesting. Under capitalism, the monetary value of buying labour-power is determined by the cost of the means of subsistence for maintaining that labour-power. In other words, the cost that is required for the worker to reproduce him or herself so that s/he can return to the labour market the next day and perform the same work is the monetary value of labour-power. The amount of training and education that goes into the production of labour-power very much determines what this level of minimum subsistence is. Different levels of education in individuals develop different psychological needs and this is why educated labour, on average, costs capitalists more money. The means of subsistence is also a level of needs that vary from nation to nation.

The point of this long post is to show why, despite our thirst for learning, so many of us feel so disenchanted by the education system under a capitalist mode of production. Despite all our illusions that we just want to learn, the system contradicts our conceptions of education and continues to reproduce us as commodities for capitalists to use in their production of profits/surplus-value. It is pointless for anyone to think that we can reform the education system in capitalist countries so that they offer us a more quality "learning experience" because that runs in contradiction to the purpose of the education system under this establishment. However, interestingly enough this is also one of the reasons why Marx believed that Capitalism creates its own "grave-diggers". As unemployment and underemployment rise, society is left with a reletively educated working class that will no longer need the capitalists to produce use-values. When the working peoples revolt, we will produce for ourselves and rid ourselves from exchange-value, thus destroying commodity relations. With the abolition of private property this will bring us back to a system of necessity where human beings are, again, producing use-values to meet the needs of the whole society.

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10. "well it looks like"
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your high school is doing wonders for your thought process. do you have a marxist prom date yet? or are you and your little marxist circle jerk buddies holding your own marxist prom? I do hope you stay on okayplayer for awhile though cuz I can't wait to see what tune you change to after a few months in the real world

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11. "Senator MacCarthy? Is that you?"
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Typical moron, I don't think you've ever once addressed a single fact I have written. You just type reactionary garbage that reeks of an infantile learning disorder and ironically accuse me of being a high school kid. Stop pushing your own insecurity on other people, its kind of tiring.

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15. "RE: Senator MacCarthy? Is that you?"
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Damn. I think you're kinda rough on my man. To suggest that a Marxist perspective reflects some kind of naivete or immaturity is to ignore the fact that there are MILLIONS of avowed Marxists who live in the same "real world" that you appeal to in order to avoid dealing with what the brother/sister was saying....

"You see you wouldn't ask why the rose that grew from the concrete had damaged petals. On the contrary, we would all celebrate its tenacity. We would all love its will to reach the sun. Well, we are the rose - this is the concrete - and these are
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16. "I tip my hat to you comrade..."
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Thank you my friend, I am glad to know that the open mind still exists in some people. Thank you for your solidarity.

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31. "its got nothing to do with the"
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particular ideology he has chosen, moreso in the fact that he has chosen to buy so blindly and whole heartedly into one at such a young and delicate age so succeptible to life changing brain washing and idealism. he's a known high school kid with a past history of historic fact filled posts like "Should I stop Posting Here Because of My Age", and other winners belonging to the same general genre. yet somehow he is now being taken seriously, most likely because he has recruited his other high school buddies who apparently have even more time on their hands than he does, to join the little game. his posts need no response, because they all share the same trait of having an absence of any real thought and a presence of bullshit ideological banner toting and slogan chanting. he is no different than the bullshit christians, jews, musilms, republicans, democrats, liberals, conservatives, libertarians, etc. who exchange their own brains for the membership card of whatever ideologically based organization they fuel. he just happens to be an extreme case due to his adolesence which causes him to be at times, moody and standoffish. he's got the classic pubescent male attitude of universal superiority and a serious complex which leads him to believe that he not only understands the world, but is ready to contribute to it. he should spend more time being an honest kid, instead he chooses to be a bullshit kid who pretends he is something resembling an adult. i for one, think we need a lot less of that around here. its bad enough we have some moron adults on here, the last thing we need is some punk kid who think he knows what time it is. before he can even begin to comment on the world he needs to get out and see it, live in it, work in it, etc. his world view is limited to whatever ideologically partisan websites he frequents and his stash of marxist porno mags and videos. go and look at all of his posts, they all boil down to the same exact thing. I just can't wait until he grows up a bit. we should save his posts so he can one day laugh at the tomfoolery of his youth spent on the internet as a communist manifesto toting marxist champion of the working class. he talks about the means of production, but has never had a job. the ills of the middle classes from the computer his middle class parents purchased for him, and an economic and political system that he is not even a participant in, nor legally allowed to partake in. its an act that wears thin

"and this has shit to do with your confrontational online persona and wack view on indefinite incarceration & lack of empathy." okayplayer rawsouthpaw

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mcneter

Fri Apr-16-04 07:04 AM

  
33. "RE: its got nothing to do with the"
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I can see where you are coming from about young people often being idealistic or naive. However, I believe that since you realize that this young person is in the position that they are, why dont you suggest some constructive alternatives, instead of being so negative and militant. We all were young and naive to some point at some point in our lives. There are people who go to there graves with the same assumptions and limited perspectives they carried from long ago in there adolescent or young adult lives. Help guide the youth, relate to them, dont castigate them for there youth, all this may do is alienate them and then you have even more opposition in your life. Peace to you. Hetep.

  

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35. "RE: its got nothing to do with the"
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Why do you assume I'm young?

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36. "RE: its got nothing to do with the"
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This is the most ironic bullshit I have ever read in my life! How can you write lies about someone you don't even know, and in the process of lying try and convince other people that the subject of your criticism is "young, naive, disengenous, etc..." You are the biggest fraud and most intellectually dishonest person I have ever seen so desperately try and discredit someone based on a series of lies and fabrications. You want to talk about maturity? YOU WANT TO F'ING TALK ABOUT MATURITY??!!! Well, why don't you start by being a man and not making up stories about the lives of people you don't even know. You have never given a truthful or accurate account of me yet you seem to think you can convince others that I am false? If you think I am such a "kid", why don't you finally just grow up, be a man and show a little honesty when talking to others. What a sad, sad, sad and pathetic lump of coal you are!

PS. About the actual falsities drawn up in your pathetic attempt to discredit me (and obviously you have a lot of time to burn if you have the time to think up all those ridiculous stories), I will not dignify your claims by addressing them specifically. I think enough people around here know better than to find anything that you say worth any sort of significance. Until you grow up and start behaving like a human being, let alone an adult, please do not address me ever again.

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18. "RE: well it looks like"
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who needs a prom when you can have a stalin-grad

  

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37. "HA!"
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you've never held down a full time job have you?

  

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43. "RE: HA!"
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Actually, I've had several. But what does that have to do with what I wrote?

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64. "RE: HA!"
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cause if you had then you missed the memo. put a note to yourself and stick it on your forehead. write on it:

people are greedy. people like to work for money so they can gain in wealth. people like to advance in management and make decisions that affect corporations. people like to compete!

your communist principles do not work. they have never worked. capitalism shattered communism because capitalism is geared toward greed which is human nature. you bitch about the evil capitalist, but when russia was exposed to the povery it had created who was left standing in russia? the elite! thats because they used the marxist system to brainwash the people into believing in the great society! but guess what? it was hogwash! and millions and millions of people died because of it.
id rather live under a system where greed is accepted and encouraged. where it is easy to create new products that increase the human lifespan. and id rather live under a system that punishes the lazy and stupid and rewards the smart and hardworking.

  

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8. "Take out that fucking Kanye West"
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12. "It is relevant"
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But it is important that students take the initiative to apply what they've learned in the real world because school won't do that for you. I went to school for the credentials and I went to schools that look good on a resume. I also went to school to give myself time to study, explore and practice. I had to learn how to do the latter in order to become a good educator.

The question may not be whether or not college is relevant but how you can use what you are learning to fulfill a goal or vision.

I recently was invited to interview for a tenure-track faculty position and during the day-long interview I was constantly reminded that my "community" work would not count. I knew it was not the right place for me and I was disappointed but relieved that I had other options that will allow me to do the work I set out to do.

>we're reading
>fanon and freire, and learning the tactics of armed struggle
>as a means of revolution).

The struggle also exists in the mind. Recently I read Freire's last book, "The Pedagogy of Freedom" and he writes that "there is no teaching without learning." Also, he states:

"The very first of these types of knowledge, indispensable from the beginning to the teacher (that is, to the teacher who considers himself or herself to be an agent in the production of knowledge), is that to teach is not to transfer knowledge but to create the possibilities for the production or construction of knowledge."

In real education there are no outcomes except the ones you set for yourself because learning is a process, not a destination.

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23. "REAL education vs. THEY education..."
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>In real education there are no outcomes except the ones you
>set for yourself because learning is a process, not a
>destination.

like i don't know that??
shit, i love education.. and i have read freire and i definitely see the importance of educations.. knowledge is key to any revolutionary struggle..
but like you said, in "real education" there are no outcomes except the ones you set.. but college, academia, and what-have-you.. that shit ain't real.. that's just euro-centric brainwashing.. and even in sociology, it's just cats theorizing on issues but not DOING ANYTHING about them..

they schools cant teach us shit...

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26. "I once wrote this poem in class"
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...about this professor and his skewed ideas. I have to dig that poem up. What I was realizing then was that I was learning about b.s. and I was not paying a cent (I had a tuition free scholarship). I was young (17) and felt as if I was going to get the whole package of lies so that I would have some credentials and do what I really wanted to do.

If school does one thing it's teaching people how to live in the system. Education is necessary but being an educator is also about learning. Learners can teach, too. There are programs out there that promote this dynamic. Last week I sat in on a colleague's class on music and politics and he was teaching about the 1950s when rock and roll first hit the mainstream. A third of the class was just getting some of the students to understand the politics as well as the personal issues. The students were the ones who at times had something new to add to the presentation/lecture.

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13. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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i was a sociology major and i'm now currently a doctoral candidate in sociology...much like you, i used to be somewhat disturbed by the fact that there are many profs in my discipline that aren't activist...but then i realized that for some profs, that is a form of activism..they're making you think...and hopefully that "activates" you to do more...

does that make sense? inbox if you'd like to further discuss...and yes, i plan to teach but with an activist-approach... so for example, my students will have social project requirements...

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14. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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man, education doesn't necessarily lead to activism, in fact, in my case, it deterred me from it. If you're not getting anything out of college then dropout. I LOVE being an English/creative writing major, and I'm getting a lot out of school. I feel extremely fortunate to have parents who gave me this opportunity, it helps me think more critically and get a richer experience out of life.

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17. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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i think it depends on who you are and what you're willing to receive. it's like if you're not open to discussion, than yeah your viewpoint is limited. same thing with education within institutions b/c you can obtain education outside of 4 walls and an orator, if you're interested in learning and (perhaps i should've said this earlier) you attend an institution that has professors that foster critical thinking and independent thought, than education can be a form of activism. i think there are some institutions that do exist though that aren't on this tip and for those types, i'd agree with your opinion re: education not leading you to activism.

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63. "I'm a doctoral candidate too.."
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in sociology.. starting this year. Where are you?

  

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19. "school is a joke."
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and the vast majority of schools are nothing more than money schemes. However, in our society, sometimes you have to face the glove as it slaps you across the face.

I would strongly recommend reading anything you desire outside of the classroom. Also, to make your classroom more interesting, try to constantly think of hypothetical debates to the "norm" (that is, whatever you're taught) of the social demographic. Be the devil's advocate if you really want to learn (it is also fun to occasionally make a professor squirm--I used to mess with my philosophy of religion teacher all the friggin time... stuff like that kept me in school). peace,

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21. "right..."
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>I would strongly recommend reading anything you desire
>outside of the classroom. Also, to make your classroom more
>interesting, try to constantly think of hypothetical debates
>to the "norm"

first of all.. i READ.. i read A LOT..
just cuz i hate college and think it's a waste of time, doesn't mean i don't love and appreciate the value of education.. i am a firm believer in self-education.. all i'm sayin is that i would much rather read material that i CHOOSE to read than some text book..

second of all, i bring up some very radical points in class..
most of the time, people don't even respond.. cuz they are all numb to the shit anyway.. conservatives are the least likely to speak up; they are anti-confrontation...

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29. "yeah"
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>first of all.. i READ.. i read A LOT..
>just cuz i hate college and think it's a waste of time,
>doesn't mean i don't love and appreciate the value of
>education..

I was just throwing one out there, not to offend or imply.

i am a firm believer in self-education.. all i'm
>sayin is that i would much rather read material that i
>CHOOSE to read than some text book..

definitely. Ever take notes on mistakes in text books? Man, I could see them being all over the place in a field as philosophical as sociology...

>second of all, i bring up some very radical points in
>class..
>most of the time, people don't even respond.. cuz they are
>all numb to the shit anyway.. conservatives are the least
>likely to speak up; they are anti-confrontation...

that's true... I don't know... I used to throw out my opinions on things quite a bit, but you're right, people are idiots, so I began phrasing my opinions in the form of a question, socratic style, so the conservatives have no choice but to answer..

I guess my only question for you would be, what do you want to do with your life, because school sure as hell isn't necessary for much of it. peace,

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20. "You said it yourself"
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Knowledge ain't shit without action. Colleges only point is to foster knowledge. Once you're ready to do something, you leave or never even go.

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25. "i'm still waiting on the punchline"
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27. "It's Simple Supply and Demad"
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Look...I graduated with a B.A. in 2002. And I'll tell you, it was a time when not too many people went to college...so a college degree was really something special. Now, EVERYBODY is getting Bachelors Degrees, so it's not as special anymore, therefore it doesn't mean shit if you got one. Now you need a Master's Degree. And honestly I regret that I ever went, it's not about your degree, its about who you know...and that's it.

So its just simple supply and demand...another way to get people in debt and have some bills to pay off. But hey...thats just my experience...maybe it's different for everybody else.


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41. "RE: It's Simple Supply and Demad"
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we just need to step up...if college is set up to get you in debt, then counteract that by getting scholarships. the system is obviously against you; therefore, you have to find ways to go around it to get what YOU want...

if YOU dont know what YOU want, then YOU'LL follow the system to damnation. I'm from AFRICA, they(the system) wont even give us FAFSA, so we work summer(2/3) jobs like crazy, then go to school and pay cash to get what WE want...some of us stay here, some go back home, etc....dont let the system get the best of YOU.

  

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28. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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I feel you in many ways for as much money as they take the only classes of any value to me were the science, mathematics and African studies courses. I took two semesters of architecture classes that were nothing but eurocentric bullshit, no math measurements just bullshit. All the other classes that are required bullshit.

But college is good in other ways, I use the facilites all the time(gym computer lab etc.), I think I met my wife, and it has a get in pass in the end so it is not all that bad.

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Sociology is a joke. The two easiest As I ever got in college. the whole time I was thinking everything I learned in that class, you would know just from paying attention to people. you don't need a class to teach these things.

Who am I to talk, I was an English major.

As far as college goes, thats were you are dead wrong. Thats where I learned how to think critically. Most important classes I took: Economics, A Nietzche course and Literary Critical Theory. Wasn't obvious at the time the classes were so important, but now I can see how they changed my worldview.

And then there is the fact that schooling made it possible for me to have a 6 figure job by the time I was 26.



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34. "as I have said before"
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school(talking about elem.,middle, high school) is mostly memorizing things that you "need" to know, and they say the lowest level of learning is memorizing crap....so knowing that, I think Public Meditation schools, taking the place of grade school, should commence NOW!!!!!!
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38. "silly negroes.."
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patience is a virtue. that money aint going nowhere...im working on my degree now so i can be comfortable when i get out (uhmm make lots of $$$)...now, seeing how 99% of you all are throwback coon jiggers, allow me to break down your bitterness and resentmant towards higher education and those who cherish it:

1) apply yourselves - these employers dont know who u are when u get out of college, put that resume out there around your junior year...

2) - QUIT FUCKEN WITH THOSE CREDIT CARDS!! - i know a "scrong susta" in college now that had to sit out 2 semesters and is puting in 40 hours a week AND tryen to juggle classes busten her ass just to pay off her bills (AND she got a cell phone!)...now when she gets out of college, she is gonna have to scramble and scrape to find a quick steady job so she can pay off all those bills she has, she cant afford to NOT be employed not even for a few weeks...

3.) - BLACK FOLKS HATE TO PAY DUES..Im a radio/Tv/Film major and im currently working on a documentary about BLUEGRASS music...it's alot of work, its boring, and im not getting paid; how many black folks who gotta pay off that cell phone bill, gotta get their jordans/nine west shoes, gotta pay that car note etc., or basically can afford to do ANYTHING that takes alot of their time up for free? (nah dawg, i gotta get dis chedda!)

and overall, college graduates on average make more money than those who DONT have college degrees...sure its not an overwhelming difference there, but there IS a difference so basically im setting myself up to make MORE money than i would have if i DIDNT have a degree...and yes i want $$$ and lots of it. (fuck chris rock, i aint tryen 2 be WEALTHY) and you negroes can cook smores with hippies by the campfire listening to janice jopelin records all you like...give suave his money...

  

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44. "you totally missed the point, PLAYA..."
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go ahead and make your loot..
i'm just tryin to free the people..
and i find school to deter that mission, and try to get me to focus on their goals, on american dream goals, on YOUR goals, of making money, havin a family and livin in this sick, mechanistic, oppressive, capitalistic world where real people starve and plastic people drop $100 bills at restaraunts...

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50. "here's the thing tho"
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if you really are that turned off by this 'sick capatalistic system' - you have two choices: MOVE the fuck outta here or CHANGE it. You cannot change it unless you understand how social systems of oppression help reproduce stratification - and sociology is one of those fields that CAN have emancipatory potential for the shear fact that u can explore how these systems can be subverted.

  

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52. "exactly but these niggas are stupid."
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become a sociologist or anthropologist. niggas aint serious about "tryen to save humanity", its all a song and dance routine...most of these mofoes are lazy...

  

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56. "problem with sociologists..."
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i entered into this study becuz i thought it was the dopest subject the school had to offer.. and although all i am doing now is bitching, sociology has taught me a few things about how to critically view the world in which we live..

but that's all sociologists do.. that's all educated mofos do (for the most part).. hell, that's all most people do..

knowledge, learning, NO PRAXIS.. no action..
just analyses.. just statistics..

i DO wanna change this fuckin system.. i wanna destroy it.. but i am not a one man army.. i have abandoned school and begun teaching myself shit that is important, that will help me meet my own goals.. i am currently networking to build a unified army of proletarians and intellectual warriors alike (though the proletariat is much more down for the struggle)..

so don't criticize me.. join me...

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60. "vision"
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>i DO wanna change this fuckin system.. i wanna destroy it..
>but i am not a one man army.. i have abandoned school and
>begun teaching myself shit that is important, that will help
>me meet my own goals.. i am currently networking to build a
>unified army of proletarians and intellectual warriors alike
>(though the proletariat is much more down for the
>struggle)..
>

You want to destroy it and replace it with . . . what?

What is your vision? It's easy to decry capitalism. It's not so easy to articulate a coherent and practical vision of the way you want things to be.


  

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it's a system with a proven track record. Countries with socalist have some of the highest standards of living in the world.

Northern Europe
Canada (kinda, we're too capitalist right now)

Maybe someone could try Marxist Communism. I don't think it would work but it's never been tried. Stalinism, Leninism and Maoism are not even close, nevermind Castro. Marx calls for the eventual phase out of all government and no one wants to give up the power.

In the immortal words of Jon Stewart, "Wha?!?!?!?!?!?"

  

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42. "RE: man, this school shit is a joke..."
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The thing about college is that you have to make it more than just the classes. Do internships, take advantage of the free time you have. Once you get out of college, you spend at least 8 hours of your day trapped at work, then there's time wasted in commute, and then, for most people, the last thing you want to do when you get home is work on some new personal project.

College is about 20% about the classes and 80% about how you use your education outside of the classroom.

I wasted my time and I feel like I threw away 4 years of my life. Be proactive.

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45. "read "pedagogy of the oppressed"..."
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at the time i originally posted this, i had just begun reading paulo freire's "pedagogy of the oppressed".. after reading the entire book, i realized how relevant his discussion of oppressed society is to my own thesis about education..

he talks about how the oppressor uses the institution of education to socialize, pacify, and indoctrinate the oppressed to accept their plight.. he says that educational systems in these societies utilize "banking educational methods".. basically, we students (oppressed) are banks, which the teacher (oppressor) deposits information into.. we memorize, record, and then regurgiate without ever REALLY learning..

the alternative method is "problem-posing education" or critical-conciousness.. this is carried out through dialogical engagement between professor and student, without a hiearchy of authority and knowledge.. it is a social environment as opposed to a bureaucratic, repressive one...

read this book.. shit totally echoed what i've been feelin lately.. plus, the other stuff he talks about is right on.. he quotes marx, lenin and mao left and right, but also makes arguments against marxists.. for example, marxists are sectarian fanatics becuz most believe in a preordained future (the revolution will occur when the time is right), instead of taking positive action to bring about the revolution...

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46. "RE: read "pedagogy of the oppressed"..."
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"we memorize, record, and then regurgiate without ever REALLY learning..."

If that is all you are doing then it is your fault. By the time you get to college, you should be looking into things deeper than just the ink on the text book page.

What you need to do is watch what is being taught and try to figure out why it is being taught that way. Try to find the facts behind the "facts" that you are being taught. Take over the classroom discussion and incorporate what you learn outside of the classroom to help broaden the scope of the lesson. In my opinion, teachers aren't oppessors but neither are they freeing you. They give you a taste, a hint of what is out there. Now you can take what they say as truth, or you can take what they give you and investigate it. And this isn't even an ideological discussion, it is being realistic. Most college professors aren't teachers; they are there to work on a thesis of their own or trying to further there own research. Teaching is the dues they have to pay to use the college's resources.

And really, that is the key to college. What resources can they offer you. What do they have that you can take advantage of.

"we memorize, record, and then regurgiate without ever REALLY learning..." REALLY learning comes outside of the classroom, and the only person you can really blame for not following through is yourself.

Lord knows, looking back, I'm kicking myself for not following through and taking advantage of my school's resources while I was there.

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55. "hence, the title of this post..."
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>"we memorize, record, and then regurgiate without ever
>REALLY learning..." REALLY learning comes outside of the
>classroom, and the only person you can really blame for not
>following through is yourself.

95% of the useful, relevant knowledge i retain comes from my own studies/inquiries OUTSIDE the classroom.. that's my whole point.. if i'm learning, and teaching myself on my own time, then what is this sc hool shit for?? it's a fuckin joke.. my money and time is going towards a so-called "education" but my REAL knowledge is coming from somewhere else.. that's a problem...

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61. "RE: hence, the title of this post..."
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>95% of the useful, relevant knowledge i retain comes from my
>own studies/inquiries OUTSIDE the classroom.. that's my
>whole point.. if i'm learning, and teaching myself on my own
>time, then what is this sc hool shit for?? it's a fuckin
>joke.. my money and time is going towards a so-called
>"education" but my REAL knowledge is coming from somewhere
>else.. that's a problem...
>

You're right and you're not right. Check it - college isn't about the knowledge you get - it's a credential, it's cultural capital, it's social capital - are you familiar with Bourdieu's analysis of education and class reproduction in 'homo academicus'? Anyway - the point is that you're education is your responsibility - both in and out of the classroom. An 'organic' intellectual is an autodidact - if you make it past undergrad, you will see that most of the learning you do to get a doctorate or even a masters is *on your own*. Building up your independent, analytical thinking skills is one of the crucial roles of college.

You are paying, principally, for the resources and connections (cultural and socical capital) that college avails - not the books you read in class.

  

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47. "what i'm working on"
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i'm a graduate student working on two different projects. the first involves physics education. we're working on a modelling project for classroom instruction where the students sit around brainstorming basic experiments, then derive the equations themselves, no more staring at scribbles on a blackboard... it's true scientific "discovery" (albeit a bit of handholding goes on) from day one.

the second involves theoretical cosmology, and varying n-dimensional theories of gravity and the universe as a whole.


the most rewarding is not always the most fascinating or most relevant.

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48. "ummm"
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>any other college okp's feel the same way?? <<

actually i love college (even tho my thesis is kickin my ass right now)

>
>i just feel like i am wasting my time and money for shit
>that doesn't apply to me half the time (better yet, 90% of
>the time).. AND i'm a sociology major, so you'd think it
>would be better for me.. but, professors just be up there,
>talkin.. not sayin anything forreal.. just talkin.. tellin
>us what's wrong with the world, and to analyze these
>problems (like we don't already know)..

Do you really know though? You think you know.. but do you?

>but what does that do??
>
>that inspires us students to grow up to be writers,
>researchers, and maybe even professors that analyze
>problems.. then we train others to do the same thing..
>
>this is just an insane cycle that recognizes modern social
>problems and issues like racism, classism, sexism, etc., but
>does absolutely NOTHING to resolve said issues/problems..
>the only class that has ever really meant anything to me is
>a pan-african studies course i'm takin this semester..
>that's just cause the professor is the illest cat who drops
>knowledge, but also teaches us that knowledge ain't shit
>unless it becomes action (it's a course on political
>violence and resistance - put it this way, we're reading
>fanon and freire, and learning the tactics of armed struggle
>as a means of revolution)..
>
>but what do ya'll think??
>is college relevant??
>

College/academia is as relevant as you make it. You can build a career perpetuating the cycle and learning bullshit, or you can be like me, pimp the system and make it work for you and your interests.

  

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53. "go get involved in a community organization"
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so you can put the theory into action. join the naacp or aclu or something so you won't be thinking of what the problems are in a theoretical stance. there are people actually working on solving these problems, most of the issues are political in origin and can be solved politically. so i say become more civic engaged in community problem solving. get active.

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57. "i AM active brother..."
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but that's another problem with college.. it breeds activists - cats that join organizations and protest, you know? i am in an organization that me and a comrade created.. and am in a local chapter of the new SNCC (formerly the NAACP).. i appreciate the political ideologies and the dedication these brothers and sisters of such organizations have.. but even though they mean well, they RARELY ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING..

we do need political change.. don't get me wrong..

but what i am is a revolutionary.. i ain't tryin to lobby politicians.. i'm tryin to overthrow them.. i appreciate cornel west and henry louis gates and william julius wilson.. but they AIN'T NOTHING compared to patrice lumumba, che guevara, chairman mao, bobby seale, huey p. newton, and even frantz fanon...

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65. "i hope you find your niche then."
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peace!

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59. "2 cents"
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Colleges arent there to make you into an activist. That is your own personal decision that you should have enough motivation to do regardless of what the school tells you to do. The liberal arts part of college is there to expose you to things that you wouldn't just run into during self study. Its there to teach you things that don't have direct application, things that make your life interesting just because you know them. It puts the tools in your hands that you will need so that YOU can come up with the right course of action and then DO IT. There's nothing that says once you get your degree your obligated to do nothing with the knowledge except pass it on to others (Although makeing people aware of the problems in the world is a necessary preliminary step to fixing them).

Then theres the science and math. That shit is there because you really cant just self study. If you trying to learn Maxwell's equations or how your genetic information is encoded in DNA, i dont care who you are, you're gonna need somebody to explain it to you not just read it.

The wrap up is Its up to you to take action AFTER you get your education. A degree lends you credibility in some circles and it will never stop you from starting a company like habitat for humanity.

Uh stay in school

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62. "co sign"
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n/m

  

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