I know there's a lot of cynicism around TRC (who's getting paid to plug it etc. lol.), but dammit! I couldn't stop listening to that shit last night.

Yes, it is a radical departure from most of the shit Prince has been putting out lately. The whole damn album is tight! Which is truly a revelation, not only for Prince these days, but ANYONE! Clearly he's taking himself very seriously as both a musician and a composer/philosopher which is a breath of fresh air.

So what do you think it is that inspired this effort? Was it hiscoversion to Jehovas Witness? Was it the many GREAT Soulquarian productions that have come out in the last few years raising the bar (was he trying to "show us who's still on top?).

If anything, I hope that this will once again raise the bar for Okayartists, pushing them more out on a limb to make better, tighter, mo' funky shit.

Anyway, share your thoughts. Hopefully we won't get too much dickriding on either side (what am I saying? there are no "sides" here. Just good music and {hopefully} respect).

p.s. I downloaded it and am not sure if I'm going to purchase it yet (yes, I know the booklet is a major part of the "experience"), but I'm having a hard time reconciling all that bullshit he recently said about women. I love Prince but I also think he went over the deep end with this religion stuff. Why the EFF couldn't he have made this album when he was more ambiguous? Why couldn't he have embraced a more emancipatory (pun intended) way of looking at the world?

okay, I'll rant more later.

Now it's your turn.

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oh the irony... no bad blood... good to hear... for the record... I'm not getting paid a damn thing (hahaha...) but I do love the album. That's all it really is too... the music... no one can front on Prince this time out the stable... he really, really brought it... it's almost like if you could fuse a lot of the greatest work to date and stir it up... then your gumbo would be the Rainbow Children. It's his masterpiece if you ask me... I think I saw the vision with LoveSexy... but I feel the vision this time... Peace.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

haven't heard em.....but i bet the closely reflect the beliefs of jehovah witnesses

the same statements are all over the album as well...

From 1+1+1=3:
"There's a theocratic order
There's a theocratic order now
This is how it's gonna be
if u wanna b with me
ain't no room 4 disagree"

In other words, first comes god, then comes man, then comes woman... the woman is supposed to be in service to the man, who is in service to god.

Here's my question: why can't both man and woman just be in equal service to god? oh, that's right because of some creation myth...

-thebigfunk
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Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>if u wanna b with me
>
>ain't no room 4 disagree"

Lord! (literally) Does Prince just think he's GOD (no, wait, I know the answer to this)?

I mean, he's a great musician, and this is the tightest/most mature (musically) album he's done in my opinion, but this whole no-room-for-me-to-make-mistakes shit is annoying. I guess that's how it's been for a long, long time though.

Please make this be just a phase!!!!!!!!!!!

Why does his so-called radicalism have to be so oppressive?


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he needs to re-think some of his statements... starting with that one about the holocaust...

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Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>he needs to re-think some of
>his statements... starting with that
>one about the holocaust...

what was that one?

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"holocaust aside many lived and died
but when all truth is told would you rather be dead or be sold?
Sold 2 the one who can now mate the displaced bloodline with the white jailbait..."

i understand his point, but he definitely could've made it a bit more tactfully...

-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

why? Who would it please but you? No diss... but out of all the artistic genius on this album... that is your criticism?

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

>why? Who would it please
>but you? No diss...
>but out of all the
>artistic genius on this album...
>that is your criticism?

I've praised the album, and praised the album further... but damned if I'm not gonna point out what i don't like about it.

And it would please a lot of others too, seeing how when Muse first leaked out the comment i've made was posted by others as well...

Like I said, I understand his point, but he could've made it without comparing two horrendous events...

-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

what is his point with this line?

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that slavery was worse than the holocaust. I think this line is a worthwhile point to argue - the way he expressed the sentiment could have been written this better.

i think he's just trying to say that slavery was also a holocaust

...if I were a superhero, I'd be Had-It-Up-to-Here Woman, sneaking around grocery stores, malls, and amusement parks all over the world. With lightning speed, I'd snatch up bad azz kids and give them three swift licks with my golden switch and vanish into thin air before anyone knew what happened...

Pet Peeve of the Month:

People who call your house with the wrong number. If you call for Mike and I say Mike doesn't live here, don't say "but isn't this his number" or "but didn't I dial XXX-XXXX" because I will tell you no. No, it's not his number. If it was I would let you speak to him. And don't hang up and have your friend call 2 minutes later. I'll say, "Hey, I hear your friend in the background. I just told him(her) that Mike doesn't live here."

Look over to your left...yeah, up in the corner. As a suggestion, you may want to take two.

I know what youre saying but hes saying 'would you rather be dead or be sold?' as though they should be compared. I think his point is that the holocaust has been apologised for and acknowledged as an atrocity while slavery has yet to see the same widescale reparations; but the phrasing seems like prince is trying to imply which atrocity was worst. Personally, I dont really think they should be compared.

"holocaust aside..."

he's not including the holocaust, and is certainly not comparing it to anything. he's saying "...many lived and died, but would you rather be dead or be sold/souled..."

he's EXCLUDING the holocaust from his general statement that many people have lived and died, but death is generally better than being sold/souled

PLUS,....if you've paid attention to Prince over the last few years, you'll remember one of his articles regarding publising rights and digital music, entitled "What Should B Souled"

After looking at the lyrics again, it does seem to say that he is not talking about the Holocaust.

Thanks for clearing that up.

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The Man is supposed to be the head of the house. Not that it means the woman is somehow less, the man simply has the responsibilty. With responsibility there has to be some control. Don't take it so bad. The man should also revere the woman and treat her with utter respect. Not abuse her and tell her he's the master or stuff like that.




Remember.....these are the days of your Life. Don't forget that.

Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

and I guess that's Prince's point (that becuse God "said" this it's undiosputable fact). but come on now ... can we be any less critical?

>The Man is supposed to be
>the head of the house.

why? what does this mean?

>Not that it means the
>woman is somehow less, the
>man simply has the responsibilty.

what responsibility? If I were collecting unemployment taking care of my baby and my partner were working, would that be against God's (or Prince's) will?

>With responsibility there has to
>be some control.

ahhhhh the C-word. control=domination?


>Don't take
>it so bad. The man
>should also revere the woman
>and treat her with utter
>respect. Not abuse her and
>tell her he's the master
>or stuff like that.

there's often a thin line between reverence and objectification.

think about it.



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Well, woman was created to be a helpmate to the man. To be a companion to the man. As much as you wish this wasn't true, it simply is. This is aside from what Prince was saying, because I can't speak for him, only Prince can speak for Prince. But, you're being very sensitive to the issue of someone having more responsibility than another.

In a family, the man is ultimately responsible for the family's well being and development. The Man, not the Woman. That doesn't just mean monetarily. It doesn't mean, He pays for everything and she pays for nothing. It's a lot more than that. Running a household has a lot of responsibilty with it. Not everyone will become intoxicated by the level of control they have in a situation. Why do you think if someone has control, that they will automatically abuse it and "dominate"? My dad ran the household, but my mother was always respected and revered by him, and us. We knew who the bosses were, yet we knew who the ultimate boss was too.

Why do you think so many households without a god fearing man inside have so much struggle? I know there are many reasons for that, but the absence of someone taking the repsonsibilty for a household will equal chaos and disorder (just thought i throw that in there. )I'm not saying a woman can't run a household as good as a man can, but God simply gave that responsibility to the man. But man is also responsible to God for what he does.






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Princeguy reviews:

"No pretentiousness.

No pompous re-interpretations.

Sometimes, a movie is just a movie. You work hard for your money.

The decision is yours.

See and enjoy what YOU like."

wow.

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I DON'T THINK HE'S INTOXICATED... I JUST THINK HE'S SAYING THE WOMAN HAS FORGOTTEN HER PLACE ALL TOGETHER... COMPLETELY... AND FOR A LOT OF REASONS IN HER CONTROL AND OUT OF HER CONTROL...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

please.

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-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

or it could be because of ... I dunno... The Bible... The Koran... the Torah... the Hadif... the Kabballah... oh, why bother...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

>From 1+1+1=3:
>"There's a theocratic order
>There's a theocratic order now
>This is how it's gonna be
>
>if u wanna b with me
>
>ain't no room 4 disagree"

personally, i took this as commentary on the concept of "the holy trinity". basically, the belief states that God The Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are ONE God (succintly stated as: three whos, one what). Jehovah's Witnesses vehemently rebuke/deny this theological concept and believe (incorrectly) that it is a concept created by the Roman Catholic church and passed off during their "theoocratic rule" (hence the part about the theoocratic order).

so, in essense he saying "any idiot can see that 1+1+1=3" (and not one), and if you wanna roll with him you can't disagree on this point.


i didn't get what you described at all...

that sorta works... i hadn't thought of it like that...

and i didn't know that jw's believed that the trinity was separate, not part of one god... interesting...

-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

Imagine if Prince was a part of the Nation of Gods and Earths(5% nation). The album woulda been even more off the hook wit the numbers and shit.

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with the rest of the brothers
while uh
the devil would have a great
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Have you heard the album?

The narrator makes it clear what Prince is talking about in the lyrics. That a woman is to follow her man as he follows God.

fuck you.

and like i said...

THIS song (to me) talks about the accepting the "no-trinity concept" as criteria for acceptance (if you will) of the woman ...or anyone else who wants to be around

diff. strokes....diff. undertstandings/views

that makes sense when the banished ones comes knocking, and they insist on cutting them no slack...

very interesting... i think it can go both ways...

-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

but at the time I was fuming.

Some shit about women needing to be subservient to Men because that was God's plan.

If anyone knows for sure, post it up. Shit was straight wackness though.

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with the rest of the brothers
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the devil would have a great
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it's from the Old Testament...
not to defend anyone... but if your mad... then be mad at the Bible...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

maybe it was written in the bible (im not an expert), but if you have a thinking mind, you should be able to decide what you believe in/what you dont, and whether you think its wrong/right. his inclusion of these purported beliefs would imply that he does indeed subscribe to them.

the bible says on many different occasions that the man is supposed to be head of the household

that's blatant...

what kinda ticks me off though, is Prince has always preached equality...

and now he's saying that man is inherently wiser than woman? or that woman must submit their thinking processes (discerning) to the male?

damn...

-thebigfunk
Six on the Player:
Vance Gilbert - Somerville Live
Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

the worst thing I heard was that he was saying something to effect that being an individual was a negative thing at the discussions they had at the celebration earlier this year. that is a complete turn around for him. I always thought prince was a forward thinking open minded person.

But he is going through middle age so this may just be a temporary phase. Prince seems to go through these a lot.

I truly hope it is a phase, cuz if he can keep moving forward with this renewed sense of musical vision as well as get back to his "liberatory ambiguity" (neither black nor white ... straight nor gay), then I might ... well, we'll see.

It strikes me as oddly sad that he decided to stick the line from Sexuality in the leading track (new breed of leaders ... stand up ...). Makes me wonder what it all means for him now? It was so refreshing when he said it in it's original context.

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he'd be incarcerated
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the devil would have a great
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>I truly hope it is a
>phase, cuz if he can
>keep moving forward with this
>renewed sense of musical vision
>as well as get back
>to his "liberatory ambiguity" (neither
>black nor white ... straight
>nor gay), then I might
>... well, we'll see.
>
>It strikes me as oddly sad
>that he decided to stick
>the line from Sexuality in
>the leading track (new breed
>of leaders ... stand up
>...). Makes me wonder what
>it all means for him
>now? It was so refreshing
>when he said it in
>it's original context.
>
>love and respect,
>El Rey
>
>dedicated to preserving and sharing
>the music, dance and stories of
>the
>African diasporic experience:
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>
>SUPPORT GOOD MUSIC:
>http://www.mp3.com/Esthetics
>
>"Yo he preferido hablar a cosas
>
>imposibles, porque de lo posible se
>
>sabe demasiado." -- Silvio Rodriguez
>
>"if jesus was alive today
>he'd be incarcerated
>with the rest of the brothers
>
>while uh
>the devil would have a great
>
>apartment
>on the upper east side
>be a guest v.j.
>on total request live" - Me'Shell
>
>(god.fear.money)


This post is oh so true. Prince has gone from a free spirit who was always on some open soul expression to some fuckin' orthodoxy
box shit. An Jehovah's Witness of all boxes to get sucked into.
I think Larry Graham struck some serious fear of the afterlife in Prince. Pleeeease be a phase!!

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>but at the time I was
>fuming.
>
>Some shit about women needing to
>be subservient to Men because
>that was God's plan.
>
>If anyone knows for sure, post
>it up. Shit was straight
>wackness though.
>
>love and respect,
>El Rey
>
>dedicated to preserving and sharing
>the music, dance and stories of
>the
>African diasporic experience:
>http://www.wemba-music.org
>
>SUPPORT GOOD MUSIC:
>http://www.mp3.com/Esthetics
>
>"Yo he preferido hablar a cosas
>
>imposibles, porque de lo posible se
>
>sabe demasiado." -- Silvio Rodriguez
>
>"if jesus was alive today
>he'd be incarcerated
>with the rest of the brothers
>
>while uh
>the devil would have a great
>
>apartment
>on the upper east side
>be a guest v.j.
>on total request live" - Me'Shell
>
>(god.fear.money)

I believe the passage you are referring to is:

"The Wise One who understood the law that was handed down from

God long ago reflected the true meaning 2 his woman every day

and she surrendered her discerning of it in2 his care and

keeping 4 she trusted he would lead in the right way. Her

children in subjection 2 her, she in subjection 2 the Wise One,

and the Wise One in subjectiion 2 the only begotten one, all-

4ever in subjection 2 God."


>but at the time I was
>fuming.
>
>Some shit about women needing to
>be subservient to Men because
>that was God's plan.
>
>If anyone knows for sure, post
>it up. Shit was straight
>wackness though.
>
>love and respect,
>El Rey
>
>dedicated to preserving and sharing
>the music, dance and stories of
>the
>African diasporic experience:
>http://www.wemba-music.org
>
>SUPPORT GOOD MUSIC:
>http://www.mp3.com/Esthetics
>
>"Yo he preferido hablar a cosas
>
>imposibles, porque de lo posible se
>
>sabe demasiado." -- Silvio Rodriguez
>
>"if jesus was alive today
>he'd be incarcerated
>with the rest of the brothers
>
>while uh
>the devil would have a great
>
>apartment
>on the upper east side
>be a guest v.j.
>on total request live" - Me'Shell
>
>(god.fear.money)

because i think of how MJ (my favorite) dropped an album a month earlier with so much hype and promotion, and then this drops, with zero pub...zero hype...and its light years better than Invincible (which i like, but after repeated listens, it appears to be a continuation of dangerous)...I dont know if prince is a little overpreachy on here, but i think the album still bangs.

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He kinda comes off like a dry-drunk. I lost touch with what was happening in his personal life (not like I really cared all that much anyway). Did he eff up big time with something/someone and this is how he's recouping?

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I still don't know whether this album is better, cos we compare it to the previous ones, or if it's simply a good album.

I don't think Rainbow Children comes anywhere near Sign, Lovesexy or Around The World In A Day.

And my feeling is that this album wouldn't have sounded this way if D hadn't released Voodoo.

So things are full circle now : D wouldn't be the way he is without Prince, and Prince wouldn't have made TRC without D.



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I think it's too soon to tell what's better than what, you know? We've only had it for so long, while we've had years to chew on his best work...

On the topic of the Soulquarian influence, I think it's definitely felt on the record... a lot. I mean, just his return to a rhodes, you know? Drastically changing the quality of the mix (you can hear the guitar on this record!), better production... and where do those things lead? Well, follow the trail. Listen to the mix of Hunter's guitar on Voodoo, and then listen to the mix of the more jazz guitar lines on TRC... bash me upside the head if those levels aren't pretty damn close.

I think it's great... i mean, to have him 'back in action' musically.

My real question though: will he tour with *this* material? He better... because this is such a live sounding record.

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That would be dope as hell! Somebody once said that the best thing Prince could do was to do a tour where he just put on some jeans and a T and sat behind his piano and sang. That show would be the bomb!

On another note, I wonder how much the release of this had to do with D'Angelo cancelling his live album? If so I truly hope this inspires him. Fuck competition man, I just want to see these musicians inspired by each other and stricve to bring out the best that they all have to offer.

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hahaha... true though, i think this album will really have ?uest and them getting some new ideas, pushing new boundaries... and hopefully, it'll just go back and forth..

by the way, got the wooten stuff yesterday... thanks! i'm at the end of 2nd disc as we speak...


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Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

~ i could still snort you under the table ~

>On the topic of the Soulquarian
>influence, I think it's definitely
>felt on the record... a
>lot. I mean, just
>his return to a rhodes,
>you know? Drastically changing
>the quality of the mix
>(you can hear the guitar
>on this record!), better production...
>and where do those things
>lead? Well, follow the
>trail. Listen to the
>mix of Hunter's guitar on
>Voodoo, and then listen to
>the mix of the more
>jazz guitar lines on TRC...
>bash me upside the head
>if those levels aren't pretty
>damn close.

From a sound and mix perspective, I feel Voodoo sounds much better, coherent and less 'regular' than TRC. TRC sometimes sounds clean when it should've sounded gritty and vice versa.

But this isn't a vs. post right ?

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I disagree... I think they both sounded the way they intended...
but I see your point... I just don't think it makes any sense at all to compare Voodoo (which for the record was a good album) with TRC... TRC is truly a masterpiece... Voodoo was a collection of good pieces... but when you say the word genius...
only TRC comes up... I'm sorry but it's just the plain truth... I have always felt Prince when he plays most of the instruments... and not the whole band thing... that only worked with the Revolution... but when he designs, constructs, and builds on his own... the results are amazing... he falls deep into the chamber... case and point... D... is like a Toyota Celica... a new one... but a Celica nonetheless... Prince is like a jet black Porche fresh off the lot... there is no comparison.

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"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

>I
>just don't think it makes
>any sense at all to
>compare Voodoo (which for the
>record was a good album)

agreed.


>when you say the word
>genius...
>only TRC comes up... I'm sorry
>but it's just the plain
>truth...

hehehe ... haven't you been telling people that you only speak your OPINION? lol. now it's just the undisputable truth.


>D... is
>like a Toyota Celica... a
>new one... but a Celica
>nonetheless... Prince is like a
>jet black Porche fresh off
>the lot... there is no
>comparison.

so much for not comparing ...


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hahahaha... funny... whether you cats want to admitt it or not... this album is so above D's head musically it aint even funny... I mean for real... D's work sounds like FisherPrice comapred to this...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

here we were having a decent thread about the album for once, with both praise and criticism, and you had to come in and spoil it

once and for all... IT'S NOT A COMPETITION

let em make music and live, for pete's sake

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Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

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This isn't to you specifically, but I think people make it out to be a competition when they bring up all this "Soulquarian-influenced" stuff.

Personally, I don't think there is an influence and if there was I think musically he's given them a big fat middle finger in the sense of "how dare you think you can equal me." IMO musically this album blows Voodoo out the water.

I'm getting tired of the whole "Soulquarian's are God" routine on this site even though it makes perfect sense for their biggest fans to be here.

I'm a fan too but sometimes....

Shaun G.

>This isn't to you specifically, but
>I think people make it
>out to be a competition
>when they bring up all
>this "Soulquarian-influenced" stuff.

why does it have to be read like that? Can't artists simply compliment and push each other towards new heights?

>
>Personally, I don't think there is
>an influence and if there
>was I think musically he's
>given them a big fat
>middle finger in the sense
>of "how dare you think
>you can equal me."

Where was it ever said that the SoulQ's said they were trying to equal (or surpass) Prince's greatness? This is very different than having a critique of the stuff that Prince has been putting out lately.Seriously, I like them all and I'm not trying to make this into a VS.-type thing when I'm not convinced it is. If artists want to make it out to be that then whatever ... that's their own shallowness.

>IMO musically this album blows
>Voodoo out the water.

I may agree with you here, but at the same time, they're both very different albums by very different artists (even if D'Angelo admires/tries to learn from Prince's style and sound -- which is only what any good musician can do, even Prince). Again why are we going there?

>
>I'm getting tired of the whole
>"Soulquarian's are God" routine on
>this site even though it
>makes perfect sense for their
>biggest fans to be here.


Agreed. The whole "(fill in the blank) is God" is extremely played, and does NO JUSTICE to the actuality of these artists accomplishments ... ever.

dead it.


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both parties need it and it will hopefully produce some good music. what is wrong with that. theres no need to keep dogging d. hes only on his second album for gods sake - and he has shown incredible promise. let him live.

it's too easy to misconstrue a statement, and to think something is a compare/contrast statement rather than just an observation... which i why i told myself i wouldn't get involved in trc threads at first... too late i guess

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Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

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LOL.

just like I really wanted to have a TRC post free from the bullshit of the drones ... oh well!

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for the most part, the album is performed by prince with john blackwell on drums.

an incredible testament to prince's talent as a musician since he pulled this off with all the change-ups in many of the songs virtually by himself.

--me--

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i keep flipping to the back to check the credits... "who's playing bass on this track?" oh yeah, prince... "Who's playing that guitar?" oh yeah, prince...

*that's* the most impressive part of the record...

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Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

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his musical genius cannot be denied.

I'm so glad that he decided to put it out there like this. The jamming on the album alone is worth the price.



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thank you... the vision is completed... let's not forget it's just those two for the most part... some backing vocals by some others and a horn section... everything else is Prince...
purely incredible. This surpasses anything by Stevie Wonder in my book when I review his catalogue... not trying to compare... I'm just saying... for me...

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

>purely incredible. This surpasses anything
>by Stevie Wonder in my
>book when I review his
>catalogue... not trying to compare...
>I'm just saying... for me...
>

but you *did* compare

if you're not trying to compare, why did you just compare??? I'm a bit confused, there...

If one can't appreciate an album without comparing it to a) a person's past work or b) another artist's output, said person has some serious musical issues...

TRC stands on its own as a great album. Yes, it's influenced by D and them, just as they were incredibly influenced by Prince. There is little reason to make such claims as "TRC is the greatest gospel album of all time" or "TRC is better than anything in Stevie's catalog" or "TRC is Prince's There's a Riot... but better!"

Because the fact is, just as you don't have to compare Innervisions to someone else's album to see its genius, neither do you have to compare TRC to someone else's album...

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Ellis Paul - Translucent Soul
Nathaniel Merriweather Presents Loveage: Music To Make Love To Your Old Lady By
Outkast - Atliens
Yesterday's New Quintet - Angles Without Edges
Sly - Small Talk

-thebigfunk

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how can one album by an artist who is just finding his muse again be better than stevie not at the height of his powers (songs in the key..., fullfilingness.., talking book, innervisions, etc) and his WHOLE catalogue?!?!?! A truly amazing statement.

Fine, if you like it more, cool. But personal taste does not equate with a measure of excellence.

uh... it is personal taste... hello... I mean damn, I find it ridiculous that instead of just saying "I disagree and here's why" that you would take it so personally... don't stress it... it's not a dumb statement... it's my opinion and whether or not he lost his muse and re-found it... is YOUR opinion... and not necessarily one with merit... Peace.

"I'm like Aquaman and Brownhornet, Imhotep but don't flaunt it" - the mighty Black Thought

"We.. (puff, puff) gotta make some changes ya dig? (puff, puff) I mean... dayum... brothers gotta work it out (puff, puff)... What's this a Dutch? Damn you aint

okay, yes you did say that 'for you', it beats anything stevie did. fine. the reason I dont agree, is that for one, prince has learnt a lot from stevie in terms of songwriting and has made a point of making that known in the last ten years, having performed several of his songs in concert. stevie would seem to be a large influence on prince, especially in terms of songwriting. I doubt prince would have quite the same strength of songcraft without having studied stevie. I remember he used to defend the secret life of plants in interviews, saying that critics simply didnt get it. (anyone defending that album as much as he did has obviously got more than a little appreciation for mr. wonder)

apart from that, I wouldnt be able to write off one catalogue of a remarkable artist for some seventy minutes of the rainbow children, the same way I cant write off Prince after listening to voodoo, no matter how much i like/respect it.

as for prince rediscovering his muse, my opinion has as much merit as yours. i know its hard to tell where exactly he's at sometimes - due to the mass of material he makes and what he actually chooses to put out there - but anyone with half decent hearing should able to discern that he hasnt sounded this inspired in years; and especially bearing in mind half of what he offers on npgmc, this is a tremendous step up.

it would be impossible for Prince to make an album as good as innverisions today. Totally impossible. Go to half.com and by some more CDs man because your perspective is way too limited to make such comments...

>thank you... the vision is completed...
>let's not forget it's just
>those two for the most
>part... some backing vocals by
>some others and a horn
>section... everything else is Prince...
>
>purely incredible. This surpasses anything
>by Stevie Wonder in my
>book when I review his
>catalogue...

Regardless of personal taste ... that's a VERY bold statement.

I don't have a problem with that, I'm just wondering why people always gotta compare two artists and try to define who's 'THE BEST'. When I'm just happy that there's both a Prince and a Stevie, and don't compare or rank 'm.

I just listen to their music and enjoy it.




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he'd be incarcerated
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the devil would have a great
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on the upper east side
be a guest v.j.
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